This Had Oscar Buzz - 199 – Shutter Island

Episode Date: June 20, 2022

This episode, we return to the work of director Martin Scorsese, with one of his very few films to receive zero Oscar nominations, 2010′s Shutter Island. The film was Scorsese’s highly anticipate follow-up to The Departed after finally securing his overdue Oscar win, and reunited him with that film’s star Leonardo DiCaprio. Adapted from Dennis … Continue reading "199 – Shutter Island"

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But they're criminally insane. We take only the most dangerous, damaged patients that one's no other hospital can manage. You're hereby required to surrender your firearms. We are duly appointed federal marshals. But during your stay, you will obey protocol. Gentlemen, welcome to Shutter Island. Hello and welcome to the This Head Oscar Buzz podcast,

The only podcast that communes with the great yaya priestesses of old. Every week on this had Oscar Buzz we'll be talking about a different movie that once upon a time had lofty Academy Award aspirations, but for some reason or another, it all went wrong. The Oscar hopes died, and we are here to perform the autopsy. I'm your host, Joe Reed. I'm here, as always, with my duly appointed federal marshal.

Chris File, hello, Chris. We are duly appointed federal marshals. Listen, we are nothing, if not duly appointed federal marshals. That's true. That's what podcast hosts are these days. We are... The girls are girling. The duly appointed federal marshals are duly appointed federal marshalling.

Handing over their weapons to John Carroll Lynch right at the beginning because that's protocol. Yeah. Our fifth John Carol Lynch movie, Chris, the next time we do a John Carol Lynch movie, we will be doing a six-timers club induction. JCL Six-Timers Club. Oh, we should also say it off the top. Oh, yeah, we should acknowledge. Oops. So here's the thing.

pointed out in our Menchies when we did the Notting Hill episode that they were shocked that we didn't do a six-timers club for Julia Roberts because, of course, it was the sixth time for Julia Roberts. And here's the thing. Yes. We had a lot going on. First of all, when we were early preparing that episode, we like put it in our back pocket. Oh yeah, we're going to have to do that. And then we just forgot because of everything else. No, here's the thing. And I'm going to fall on my sword for this. So I keep a spreadsheet where I keep track of all the actors that we do for this exact

purpose for figuring out the six timers thing. And when that got called out, I went and I checked my spreadsheet and I said, no, we're at five and I was reminded that prediporte is a Julia Roberts movie and I had for some reason neglected

to put that in the spreadsheet. So my bad, this is a clerical error on my part. But Chris, you do make a good point, which is that if we had added a Julia Roberts' six-timers quiz to the Notting Hill episode, it would have cracked three hours. And that would have been a lot. So our pledge to you, our loyal Gary's, is that the next time we do a Julia Roberts movie, we will include the six-timers quiz belated. And it will be even better because it'll be about seven movies. So fear not. We have not a band

and our, you know, trusted practice of Six-Timers Club. I just made a boo-boo in the spreadsheet. So there we have. We do have our 200th episode celebration next week. And enterprising listeners who might want to go back and figure it out, we're going to have a Six-Timers Club quiz next week. That is true. We are already going to have a Six-Timers Club in our 200th episode.

We're going to have, it's going to be a time. It'll be fun. Does that mean that someone who has already had five, movies is going to have their sixth movie. Does that mean that Julia Roberts is going to have her seventh movie? We don't know. Enterprising listeners can debate and figure it out for themselves. We got another clue for you.

Besides, Chris, your clues this month have been in particular unhinged on Twitter. So I will tip my cap to you for that. We had a month without that. so I had to bounce back in a big way. You doubled down. You doubled down. Speaking of doubling down, I have no way to connect that segue to Shutter Island,

but I did want a segue to Shutter Island. So let's pretend that some... Doubling down, double duly appointed federal marshals because there's two. That's true. We've got a pair of them, Leo and Mark Ruffalo. So, yes, Shutter Island from good old 2010, we have a... very limited set of excuses to talk about Martin Scorsese on this podcast, because his success rate with Oscar is really, really, really, really, really good. And even when a movie doesn't

perform to the, like, best picture heights for something, you know, that he's done, be it a age of innocence or a kundoon or a silence. You could call all of those maybe slightly disappointing from Scorsese standards, but like they're all getting nominations somewhere, right? It's very, very few that get absolutely nothing. So this will be our second Scorsese movie after doing Bringing Out the Dead. And it's, there are only two movies from After Hours, which was the last one before bringing out the dead that he did to have no Oscar nominations, which was 1985, which, by the way, I think that would be an interesting episode for us to do. It would be our oldest.

I would say the same for King of Comedy. For King of Comedy also. Either one of those. After Hours winning the director prize at Cannes was what made me sort of like raise my eyebrow for that. I'm like, oh, interesting. But so starting with the color of money in 1986, up through the Irishman in 20, 19, only two Scorsese movies have gotten zero Oscar nominations. And we're now doing the second of two. We're doing Shutter Island. So it's a pretty good batting average, as far as I'm

concerned. So, but he's a really fascinating filmmaker to talk about, obviously. It's just ask, you know, Twitter on any given day. And so we're happy to talk about it. And of course, this movie is like, shockful of stars as the other thing. So, like, there's, you know, It's a really attractive prospect, I would say. Wouldn't you agree? I would agree. Yeah. So lots to talk about.

Obviously, there's, you know, the Leo factor in this. There's the great supporting cast. There's the fact that this movie got bumped from fall 2009 because essentially Paramount ran out of marketing money for the year. Times were tough in 2009 post Wall Street. implosion and the scuttle butt at the time, because this was scheduled to be released in October of 2009. And it got bumped sort of at the last minute to February. I pulled up the deadline article written by none other than Nikki Fink. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It got pushed at the end of August, so like two months out from being released. There was already a trailer that had been released

the month before. And like, apparently the test, the audience test scores were really great. The buzz coming out of, you know, pre-release stuff was very good. And the rumor that I had heard, and this was, I only saw this on an IMDV trivia item, so like grain assault. But the thing about Paramount running out of money to market it was true, according to the deadline at least. The Paramount, Brad Gray released the statement that was like,

and times are tough, and we're going to push this to 2010 because we think it's strong enough to lead our, you know, giving it the best possible spin, but acknowledging the fact that, like, we are in, you know, sort of tough economic reality. So, yeah, I've read that Brad Gray statement, and it was like the financial crisis, like, wrapped up into it, which is really interesting. I do kind of wonder, though, because I have. a kind of hunch about this movie that they realized once it was assembled, even though, you know, it tested well, et cetera, that this was not that Oscar-y of a movie? I bet if you release this in the fall, it still gets some nomination. I think that's right.

This is about as straightforward of a genre movie as Scorsese has made granted, like, The Departed is a pretty straightforward. forward genre movie, but in this latter stage of Scorsese's work, it's the one that you can kind of unpack the least a little bit. And maybe some of that is like some of the things we'll get into like a lot of the cliches that are kind of in this movie. Yeah, but before we move on though, I did want to finish my thought about that IMDB a bit, which was that Paramount in running out of marketing money only had marketing budget at the end of 2009 for. two films, and those two films were up in the air and the lovely bones. So in many ways, Shutter Island lost a face off to the lovely bones. And listen, that marketing money got Stanley Tucci

an Oscar nomination, to date his only Oscar nomination. And Shutter Island got none. So did that pay off? You tell me. And obviously up in the air did very well at the Oscars. But, you know, bringing up the specter of the lovely bones is always it's a dark day it makes for a dark day it's the tomb in the middle of this podcast house it is indeed so but yeah you're not wrong about the genre thing I think one of the and we'll sort of get into it once we get on the other side of the plot but one of the issues with the reception of this movie which at the time was pretty rocky was this idea that it was dabbling in a few different genres and there was no real clarity in terms of like what kind of movie. Is this a horror movie? Is it noir? Is it pastiche? Is it, you know, sort of like psychological? Does it have big things to say? Or is it mostly being kind of pulpy? And and the answer to all of those questions seems to be yes to some degree or another. And I think, and I think because of that, and it's also based on a Dennis Lehane novel, which, like, he had already had films made by Clint Eastwood and Ben Affleck by

this point, obviously Mystic River and Gone Baby Gone. And Scorsese, adapting a Dennis Lehane novel with DiCaprio, coming off of The Departed, all seemed to make sense sort of on paper. And yet, maybe it wasn't that seamless a fit when you get to, you know, what's on screen. Which, I will say, this is the second time I've ever seen Shutter Island after watching it in theaters. And I remember being pretty disappointed by it the first time, and I'm less of that reaction now. I still don't think it's a masterpiece. I still feel like it falls a little bit short, but, like, the stuff that's good in this is really good. I mean, the stuff that's good in it is the filmmaking.

I mean, it's kind of interesting that Scorsese would want to do this movie, because I think, like, what's on the page is not all that good. It's pretty cliched. Even I guess you could say the twist is pretty cliched, even though I think they pull it off in a really good, emotionally affecting way. The thing that I think is interesting about this movie is, like, Scorsese, who's, you know, one of our leading global cinema acolytes. What's interesting about it is that he's kind, I feel like he's making a movie

that's like a riff or like a kind of pseudo love letter to a lot of like East Asian horror films that you know that's a big influence passionate about yeah he talked about before you know in the in the promotion of this movie talking about screening several movies for his cast and a lot of the ones that he talked about were sort of these old noir movies he screened vertigo obviously and um what was the other one um out of the past So there was a lot of noir influences in addition to, like you said, the sort of Asian horror stuff. Obviously, anytime you see a pale, young girl ghostly walking across a frame, you know, you've got your influence right there. And this was obviously also the same year that DiCaprio did Inception, which really kind of contributed to this trend of Leonardo DiCaprio playing characters who are haunted by DeCAPrio. wives who he can't exactly let go of and who, you know, intrude in his thoughts and whatnot. And obviously, Inception, I think, is the much better movie, but definitely part of the trend. And I mean, here's the thing about Shutter Island. And again, I don't want to go into too much plot before the plot description.

But, like, this is a movie whose plot hinges on Ben Kingsley literally pulling out a whiteboard. with names on it that are like anagram this to this that to that and you know and we've talked about this before chris that like plot twists that hinge on names being anagrams for other names are like i love it i think it's corny as hell but like in a way that like i i it's catnip for me i really i i'm always the person who's like mentally being like that name sounds weird. There's a couple extra vowels in that name that don't seem like they should be there. Why is that? And I start

mentally sort of like trying to unscramble things in my head. And it's hacky and yet I find it super funny. So the fact that this movie literally is Kingsley being like mono equals one and rail equals rail

but about like these anagram names. I tweeted about it by the time you're listening to this, it'll be a few weeks ago, at the risk of spoiling people on perhaps what we're doing for this episode. But I couldn't not because it's so funny to me. It's so silly in a way where I'm just like, you know what? Fine. Yes. You know what? Bring out that whiteboard, Ben Kingsley. Like, do it. I think it's doubly silly in context, too, because we've pretty much already pieced it together. Yeah. And the fact that it's also like the link to the final link to

everything is an anagram, you know, is... Yeah. It's just so goofy. Yes. Well, in his review for, I believe it was the Boston Globe at the time, Wesley Morris sort of called this out where she was like essentially the last half or at least the last third of the movie is really this parade of different actors stepping up in front of DiCaprio's character and explaining things to him. And, you know, in less and less elliptical as it goes along, you get, like, Jackie Earl Haley's scene. And then you get, like, Patricia Clarkson in the cave, who's, like, amazing. And, like...

Patricia Clarkson as Kate Bush. She ran up that hill and into a cave and started a fire, yeah. Exactly. But, like, Clarkson is phenomenal, but all she's really doing is literally being, like, put the pieces together. Monologuing over a fire. Yeah, just, like, talking about, you know, uh, experiments on mental patients after World War II. And it's just like, it's amazing, but it's a monologue over a fire, like you said.

And then we get into Kingsley, who, as I just mentioned, like, pulls out a whiteboard. And then you get the, um, the Ruffalo reveal. And so it really is for a movie that is actually really great at visuals. I think the Robert Richardson cinematography in this movie is really kind of phenomenal. And we'll get into that, too. but sort of, you know, really refusing to rest on darkness and shadows and making that darkness have a character and making, like, cloudy skies look as vibrant as anything with, like, a full color palette is really kind of amazing and very impressive. And obviously, Scorsese's worked with Richardson a lot in his career, but this is maybe one of their better collaborations together visually. and it's interesting that this was the one that didn't get a nomination, and I want to talk about later.

I'll definitely want to get into the craft of this movie at some point. But I guess there's no real reason why we shouldn't just jump into the plot description now and get on with it. But yeah, excited to talk about this one. Because, again, like I said, I like it a little bit more after watching it again this time, while still acknowledging that, like, there's limitations on this that I think. were ultimately impossible to overcome. Right. It's what's on the page.

And it's more so I think this is an entertaining movie. I enjoy it. I'm again not going to put it towards like the top of Scorsese movies. But it does make me wonder, well, why did he want to make this movie? Especially as a follow up to The Departed, which I had actually forgotten that this was the first, you know, fiction film. did post the Departed. Right. He does shine a light, this Rolling Stones concert movie in 2008, but that's the only movie he does in between the departed and this. So it's four years, ultimately, four calendar years at least, between the Departed and Shutter Island. So

there was a lot of expectation on this. And I think that kind of contributed to the mediocre reception that it got, certainly by critics. Mediocre, but still a hundred million dollar grossing movie released in February. It's his highest grossing movie. It's like, it's Scorsese. Really? At least at the moment it was. Yeah. It was higher grossing than the Departed? Yeah.

Wow. I'll double check that while you're, uh, while you're... Because I thought the Departed was like 150. Pause. But I guess not. Pause. Hold on. Let me look. Now I'll double check. But I thought I had read that somewhere. Who knows about this? Everyone. The nurses, the orderlies?

They couldn't pause. Possibly no. Everyone. Okay, well, it's very close. It must have shifted. After that, after this thing that I had read that said that Shutter Island was his highest, it must have shifted. Departed domestic is 132 million, and Shutter Island is 128. So both incredibly close. There are stones throw from each other. Yeah. So I could imagine, like, the departed managed to eke out, you know, some sort of, you know, maybe re-release or something like that. I don't know. Or maybe I'm just wrong. I can't believe that that would be the case. But, you know, inflation yeah something exactly well anyway it's definitely up there with his most profitable movies let's say that let's let me off the hook and say that um but anyway yes incredibly incredibly profitable but critically it was for certainly given how his movies have been received critically in the last let's say you know five years or so or basically since shutter island because since shutter island it's been hugo Wolf of Wall Street, silence Irishman. And, like, of those, silence is the only one that sort

of perplexed a little, critics a little bit, and that was still pretty well regarded. So, it's interesting that Shutter Island is kind of the last Scorsese movie to not have gotten kind of a critical benefit of the doubt. How do you feel about Hugo? Have we ever

talked about Hugo? Hugo's a movie I'd like to revisit. At the time, I remember feeling a little bit underwhelmed, to its performance at the Oscars. It did so well at the Oscars. I was pretty underwound by that movie. It probably finished within the top two or three. I remember, like, there was a time where people still thought it could be the spoiler to the artist, that it could be the movie to win.

And Scorsese at the time, even when people were like, well, the artist might win best picture, but like Scorsese very well could win best director. And I remember feeling underwhelmed relative to that. But I probably owe it a rewatch. But people really did like it back then. Like, it wasn't one of those, like, fraudulent Oscar movies that sort of, you know, felt very out of place there. You know me. I probably, I don't feel so inclined to revisit it, but I probably should. That's the thing.

I mean, it's the Scorsese movie that I showed up to with a very show-me attitude. Yeah, yeah. And I think it's because of the sort of, there's an element as you even look at, like, the trailer for it. of forced whimsy that I'm always going to be a little bit resistant to. But, I mean, it's a Scorsese movie. I probably, I think it's, I owe it a rewatch more than I'm looking forward to a rewatch, if that's maybe sort of what you're, what you're getting at. That's probably fair.

That's probably how I would approach it to. Yeah. But, um, anyway, so, uh, let's get back into Shutter Island. The 2010 film directed, of course, by Martin Scorsese. Written by Lata Cali... Sorry, I'm going to say this again. Calogridis? Calogridis?

Caligridis. All right, I'll say that. Written by Leitrae, based on the novel by Dennis Lehane, starring Leonardo DiCaprio, Mark Ruffalo, Ben Kingsley, Michelle Williams, Patricia Clarkson, Max von Sido,

Emily Mortimer, Ted Levine, John Carroll Lynch, Jackie Earl Haley, Elias Coteus is also in playing a figure out of Chris's sexual nightmares and the film premiered on February 13th, 2010 at the Berlin International Film Festival, opened wide a week later on February 19th, 2010 in the United States.

Chris, I'm going to grab my phone. I'm going to set you up with a stopwatch, and you will be all set for a 60-second. Let's see if I can do this. We are trying to get back to 60. seconds. Listen, do your best. It's a long movie, and there's a lot going on. All right. Your 60 seconds starts now. Okay, Teddy Daniels has a mid-century federal appointed

Marshall arriving to the island-bound Ashcliff Hospital in the mission to find Rachel Solando, a missing patient in an insane asylum. Salando murdered her three children by the administration of the asylum. It isn't super cooperative to his mission, and to Teddy and his partner, Chuck. Meanwhile, during this investigation, Teddy experienced his flashbacks to the trauma of his military service where he participated in the liberation of talkout, and he also sees vision of his dead wife.

Teddy reveals his wife was killed by arsonist Andrew Laetus, who Teddy believes may be on the island. During the investigation, a slew of conspiracies begin to unfold, including whispers of Lbottomies, commies, reemergent Zalondo, who is possibly a plant by the administration, whatever, and the possible murder of Chuck. In a cave, Teddy meets fire, Patricia Clarkson, who claims to be the real missing Solando and that the asylum has been running all kinds of nefarious experiments on patients.

In a climactic showdown in the lighthouse, Teddy confronts his head shrink Dr. Collie about his suspicions, only to have Collie reveal that Teddy is in fact Laetis and has been adopting a new personality over his guilt over killing his wife after she drowned their three kids, making her the vision of Solando, and all of this was an elaborate attempt to break through to Laetis psychosis to thwart inevitable lobotomization. It does break through to Laetis, however it does not. not old. And this is likely sent to his lobotomy. All right. Only 25 seconds over. You know what? That's fine. That's, uh... Only. Damn, shit. It's a lot of movie. It's a lot of movie going up. It's a lot of movies. Yes. All right. So,

Shutter Island. I... You reading off that plot description gave me a thought of Tim Curry in Clue, which... Say that. I just wanted to say that, you know, the Holocaust is just a red herring because it is pretty much just a red herring in this movie that you're led to believe. Unless that you envision Shutter Island as a movie about trauma. Well, of course it's a movie about trauma. Like, it's another elevated horror about trauma.

But it's trauma about him killing his wife and his wife killing their kids rather than anything to do with his experience. Like, his experiences in the war. His World War II PTSD ultimately. amounts to little other than upsetting imagery in the movie. Well, when Kingsley reads off his file at the end, where it says essentially, like, you participated in the liberation of Dachau, but you did this thing, the story you told about gunning down all of the guards there, did not, to the best of their knowledge, happen.

So a lot of the more sort of extreme actions that we see in flashback, that docow didn't happen or sort of, or, you know, made up in his, in his traumatized mind at this point. So it's an interesting thing. The, the twist of it, I was kind of okay on, whatever. Like, it's hard for me to watch the movie a second time and remember how I experienced the twist the first time, because knowing that it's coming, you're obviously more prepared for it. And I don't remember feeling burned by the twist or feeling like it was an unfair twist, but it's a revelation. It's, you know, I think it fits with everything else in the movie. It ultimately is okay.

I think the part that I really like is the actual last scenes where, because Kingsley, after, you know, they have the breakthrough with him. And Kingsley says to him, you know, this happened a little while before. You had a breakthrough, and then you backslid. Because the whole thing is, we need to have you come around because you're dangerous and violent and you're hurting people, and they want to, the administration wants to lobotomize you for your safety. And so we need to have you acknowledge this delusion so that we can avoid you getting lobotomized. And so at the very end, you see him backslide again. Ruffalo sits down next to him, and he's almost immediately. Right, right.

And he says, you know, Chuck, we got to figure out what's going on. We got to, you know, we got to crack this case. And Ruffalo sort of sadly looks over to Kingsley and nods and is like, yeah, we got to do this. We got to lobotomize them. But then DiCaprio says this last line about, you know, the longer I'm around here, the more I think, is it better to die an honorable man than to live as a monster? and then he sort of walks off willingly to go get this lobotomy and you sort of get the sense that, okay, well, he knows... He might be choosing it, yeah.

He's choosing to do this because he doesn't want to live with the truth of what he's done. And choosing to have a lobotomy allows him to escape that without also being, you know, a violent and dangerous monster. So that ending, I think, is really effective. And I think DeCaprio plays it well. And I think Ruffalo plays it really well. And Scorsese, for as sort of heightened as everything else is in the movie, underplays that really effectively. So, like, I like the very, very end of the movie, probably more than I like the reveal of the twist.

Right. I would say in the final 15 minutes of this movie, what I find really impressive is DiCaprio's performance. I find him to be often a very mannered performance. in a way that, like, I feel limited in my appreciation of his work in the way that a lot of other people do because of that manneredness, that I don't actually see in this scene where he's, like, kind of exposed and saying, essentially it's a confession scene. Yeah. I think he's incredible in that scene. Well, this was also around the time where I had gotten a little frustrated. with his sort of career and his what I thought at the time, and I wrote about this at the Atlantic

around the time of the Revenant was coming and the beach just had this big anniversary. And the thing that I wrote for The Atlantic was like the beach was the last time that DiCaprio truly took a chance with a movie in that he had spent so much of his career around that time of like the late aughts, early to mid-teens, working exclusively with incredibly established directors, whether it's Scorsese or Edwardswick, Sam Mendes, Ridley Scott, Clint Eastwood, Tarantino even by this point, and in Yarutu, and this essentially directors who were a little bit insulated from delivering something truly disastrous, right? And that's what happened with the beach,

where Lurman at that point, or sorry, Danny Boyle, rather, by that point, had done train spotting, but then had, like, had a stumbling block with a life less ordinary, and the beach was not a sure thing. And ultimately, it got pretty much savaged by critics and was not a success

and was a pretty high-profile failure. I think it's a fascinating movie, I don't think it's a great movie, but I think it's a fascinating movie that I kind of think we should do at some point for the podcast. But anyway, that by this point in his career in 2010, and certainly it would continue going with like Jay Edgar and, you know, another Scorsese movie with Wolf of Wall Street and into the Revenant and whatnot, that even though the Revenant was sold as this incredibly daring feat of acting, it's still a succession. of movies with directors who were, like, Revenant was coming directly off of a best picture win for Iniaratoo. You know what I mean? Like, these were not risky projects.

And I think Decaprio for as... Strangely, I think the riskiest project is Great Gatsby. I said that. I said as much in that article, actually, where it was like, Lurman was coming off of Australia with that one. And yes, that one I would agree with you, was the riskiest. but even that is like maybe risky to, you know, a six out of ten rather than like, right, you know. But anyway, so this was around the time where I think I had sort of a certain degree of frustration.

And I think I go hot and cold with DiCaprio and certainly tend to go colder than the general feeling is towards him. I really loved him in, I thought he was the perfect match for Inception. I really loved him in once upon a time in Hollywood, which I thought was... That's like my favorite performance of his. I said, walking out of that movie, I was like, this is what it's like to really love a Leonardo DiCaprio performance. I got out of that what people seem to be getting out of Wolf of Wall Street or, you know, The Departed even, which like, I like the Departed.

I love him and the Departed. I don't. And so I was really happy to have gotten. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, and I kind of wish that that was his Oscar instead of The Revenant. And I don't know. We can play that what-if game all day. But I don't know, Shutter Island, I don't think he's bad in Shutter Island, and I like that he delivers that final scene really well. But I think he's great in this movie.

I think, to a certain degree, inception kind of overshadowed this movie. Yeah. And his performance, it was the bigger movie, obviously, it does eventually become a Best Picture nominee, and it becomes the Oscar movie between the two DiCaprio movies this year. And I think it's more reverent of his star persona than Shutter Island is in a strange way, even though, you know, that movie has its concept. They're both ensemble movies, but you get more time with the rest of that ensemble. And Shutter Island kind of hangs more directly on his shoulders than Inception does. But Inception is the one that kind of got like the Leo heat and momentum. But I do think that this is substantially a better performance from him.

I would say Shutter Island is the one, to me, that caters more to his star persona than Inception does, which isn't to say that Inception doesn't. But like, Shutter Island really does sort of like hand him a lot of capital A, acting to do and, you know, you know, sell the twist and act, you know, crazy and your, you know, your mental state is fraying and your, I don't know, like, you know, these memories are too much and he's got the big, even his big scene with Michelle Williams at the end of the movie is a lot bigger than his big sort of similar scene that he has with Marion Cotillard in Inception. And I get, we're like, you and I probably just like are on

two sides of a coin for that, and I'm definitely on the inception side, but I do want to push back a little bit at that sense that Shutter Island doesn't cater to his star persona, because I really do think it does, and like flatters him in a way. I mean, flatters him, sure, but I also think Inception does, because it's like Inception, the way that he's shot in that movie, the way that he is costumed in that movie, it's very much reverent of even just the idea of what a movie star is in a way that I don't think Shutter Island is. Yes, although, again, and again, we're just going to disagree on this. I think Shutter Island is treating him as a movie star in just a different type of movie.

Yeah, I think, just in general, I think Shutter Island is selling a different movie star directive in a way. I don't know. I think ultimately we're just sort of, you know, agree to disagree territory with that. But even though I think we largely agree that he's good in both of these movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't think he's bad in Shutter Island. There's I tend to be a little bit more

guarded when an actor like this is given these sort of big moments to play. I don't know. DiCaprio is someone that I've run on the colder side of two, because even when he's doing these bigger acting moments

and he's, you know, working with the same directors over and over again, it feels like an engineered way to look like something as riskier than it is? I don't know.

This could also be me being an asshole, but I don't know. Like, he's doing another Scorsese movie for Killers of the Flower Moon, which rumors are already starting to begin that that might be pushed to next year but I'll start to believe them

when I see it in like a trade. I just read that book, loved it, really excited for this movie, really excited for what Lily Gladstone's going to get to do. But the role that the DiCaprio is playing, I feel like it's

on paper going to look like a risk in the way a lot of his other stuff does, but I feel like I already know exactly what that performance is going to be. And that's just not exciting as an audience member. It's not as exciting as somebody who's, like, excited by something unexpected he does, like in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Yeah.

It'll be his sixth, I believe, collaboration with Scorsese. And that's obviously, you know, interesting and worth note. The story was always that, you know, Scorsese, went from De Niro to DiCaprio as sort of, you know, Shifting Muses kind of a thing. Shifting Muses, by the way. They'll both be in this one. Yeah, Shifting Muses is my 1990s alternative band that is very successful.

My favorite Celine Dion chorus is, what do you say to Shifting Muses? But anyway, I, I, too, am very excited for that movie, even though, obviously, I didn't read anything. But Shutter Island. Okay, so the DiCaprio performance, we sort of went over. Where are we on the supporting cast of this movie? Because one of the things that I really remember going into this film was,

and again, this was initially set to be a fall release, and it's a Scorsese movie, and it's a follow-up to The Departed. So, like, the Oscar buzz was pretty active for this, but we didn't know a ton about it, even though the Lahain book was an available. text. But even from reading the Le Hain book, you looked at the casting, especially for the supporting actresses, and it wasn't quite clear what would emerge as the sort of quote-unquote supporting actress contender back when we assumed that there would be. And whether it would

be Michelle Williams playing the wife, obviously you could read that book and have no idea how much or how little Scorsese was going to feature the wife. Emily Mortimer is there. playing the sort of fake Rachel Solando. She's ultimately not in it very much. And then Clarkson gets the big scene. And at this point, Clark... She's featured in the trailer, too. She's featured in the trailer.

You got the sense in the trailer that she was going to have more than just that one scene, but she didn't. That she was going to come in and freak it. Right. And she does in just a very limited way. But also by this point, she had only the one Oscar nomination in her whole career. It was kind of amazing that she had managed to make it through the entire OX. only being nominated for an Oscar one time for, I would argue, and I often do, a pretty mediocre performance in a bad movie, pieces of April, in the same year where we've done our episode on the station agent. We both think she's phenomenal in the station agent and would have been a better movie. But so you look at where she was at this point in her career, she's doing smaller roles in, you know, like Woody Allen, movies. She's in Vicki Christina Barcelona and whatever works. And then she's doing lead roles in

really, really small movies that really don't make much of an impact, even among like indie cinema, like something like Cairo time where she's very well reviewed. But like that was a really, really, really niche movie or even like Elegie, her and Ben Kingsley together again. And that's a really, really, really small movie that doesn't make a ton of impact. And then, you know, it's stuff like All the King's Men, which we talked about, which, like, she's got a supporting role in that, and ultimately that movie's a disaster. She's supporting and, like, good night and good luck, but not, like, featured supporting. Same thing with Lars and the Real Girl.

And so 2010 comes along, and I think there's the sense among us dorks who follow the stuff and sort of look forward to this. And we see that trailer and we're like, finally like a spotlight role for Patricia Clarkson, maybe she'll get an Oscar nomination out of this. And I know that was sort of on my wish list looking at this movie. And I think, ironically, for as good I think as she is in this one scene in this movie, I think her superior performance this year comes in EZA, which I think she... I was going to say E.C.A. It's tremendously funny. Her and Tucci playing Emma Stone's parents in that movie are a goddamn delightful.

light. The closest thing to a spotlight that she has gotten, except for maybe mother lover on SNL? Right. Yeah. Well, and even during that stretch, you would think, like, oh, well, she clearly probably had, like, a TV thing. Like, she's on six feet under a little bit, and I, like, I loved her on six feet under, but that's still just sort of a recurring guest star. She shows up on a couple episodes of Parks and Recreation tremendously playing Ron Swanson's ex-wife. But again, it's only really two episodes. And she doesn't show up on even like, she's got a stint on House of Cards, but that's not till 2017. When people stopped watching that show. Right, exactly. And then she's phenomenally good in sharp objects. But that's 2018. So that's already well, well beyond Shutter

Island. And even that one, poor Sharp Objects, which I thought was so tremendous. Sharp Objects got screwed, like all around. Everybody's so good on that show. Everybody's so good, but it aired in the summertime, and it wasn't eligible for Emmys until, like, essentially 11 months after it premiered. And so it was such a long wait, and by then, people had moved on to other things. I want to sort of, I want to find who beat her. her for the Emmy that year, because, um, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, it was... Listen, there's only one limited series that has, uh, uh, what's, who's, what's, oh, God, it just escaped me his last name.

The best, the best, Chris, better than me. Oh, Chris Messina. Oh, duh, Messina. I, I threw his last name out of my mind after he bleached blonde died his hair because I was like, you're dead to me. Nope, he looks so hot. No, dead to me, dead to me, dead to me. But when was he most alive to me?

Alive with pleasure for me. When he was yankin in sharp objects. He does yank it in sharp objects. That is true. I will not deny him that. Patricia Clarkson lost the Emmy Award that year to Patricia Arquette in the act, which I will not forgive. I'm sorry.

It's so... Who else was nominated, too, because that was like a... It almost felt like Patricia Clarkson might not even get nominated because it was such a stacked year. Who else was nominated? Well, when they see us was that year, which got nominations for Vera Farminga and Marcia Stephanie Blake. Margaret Qualley got a nomination for Fossi Verdon, because Michelle Williams that year was the one who beat Amy Adams for Sharp Objects.

Emily Watson for Chernobyl. So I think, like, Clarkson, I think, is clearly the best in that category. And it really, it's one of those things where you watched Sharp Objects when it aired that summer and were like, I'm very happy that Patricia Clarkson's going to. win an Emmy because not only is she great but it's a really spot it's a it's a spotlight role and you know again 11 months later actually by the time the Emmy Awards came along it was 14 months past when that show premiered so like really really was old news HBO really did not do right by that by that show I would say and also I think audiences I remember being very frustrated with people who were just like you

know, oh, well, it's, you know, it's a little slow. It's a little, you know, not engaging or whatever. And I was just like, fuck you. They wanted it to be a big little lies juggernaut, and it was never going to be something like that. It's a show about Munkausen by proxy and self-harm. And it's, it's a dark show. Patricia Clarkson's best scene is her telling her daughter she never loved her. Right, right, exactly. But again, really just a bummer that she did not win. She had actually won a couple of Emmys for six feet under for guest actress, which I had forgotten about. But that's kind of her, for somebody who is as, and she did win the Golden Globe for Sharp Objects, because that, because the Golden Globes happened, you know, only five months after Sharp Objects.

It really is an object lesson in timing in these things. But anyway, for somebody who has been as acclaimed and as popular as she is, she really hasn't won a ton of awards. It's not like there's so many opportunities for you to look. up a Patricia Clark's acceptance speech, which is a bummer. I'm sort of scanning through. She won the special jury prize from Sundance in

2003 because she was there with three movies, station agent, all the real girls pieces of April. She won a Saturn award in 99 for the Green Mile, which... She has one scene, and she's you know, sick and dying

in bed. She has won a bunch of critics awards, but in terms of just like awards show stuff. We are sorely underrepresented in the gift Patricia Clarkson a statue and let her give a speech. The movie I'd love to do to talk about Patricia Clarkson is high art. Oh, she's so good in high art. She's Katia Zamolochkiva in that movie. It's so good. It's great. We got to do that. She's a heroine. Obviously, I've talked a lot about the Ali Shidi Independent Spirit Awards acceptance speech. We could do a whole, you know, half hour on that again. And, yeah, we got to do.

We got to do high art. So good. But anyway, where were you on? What were your standouts from the supporting cast of this movie? Well, Mark Ruffalo's really hot in this. But, I mean, even that gets eclipsed in 2010, because Mark Ruffalo is just, like, is stratosphericically hot in the kids are all, right? Finally gets his first Oscar nomination for that.

After so many years of him being worthy in other things, obviously, he should have been nominated for You Can Count on Me back in 2000. And we should have never had, you know, any kind of conversation about when is Ruffalo going to get his first Oscar nomination? Because he should have gotten it right off the bat. But, yeah, he's off the charts hot and kids are all right. It's one of those things where it's like, I can imagine, and I don't think this was Lisa Cholodenko's calculations. But I can imagine, in my head, some meeting somewhere where they're like, we have this movie with a lesbian couple where we're going to cast it with two incredibly popular actresses. and the audience that's going to come to see it

is going to be very invested in a lesbian couple in this movie. So how are we going to deal with the audience reacting to one of those women having sex with a man in this movie? And so... You cast the hottest leftist you can imagine. This is the thing, is you're like, we have to cast this

in the most undeniable, no jury in the world could convict. we you know anybody in that situation would have done the same thing and and it's like well and somebody imagine like pulls down this like you know you know pulls down this poster of like

ruffalo it's like they're playing guess who and it's just like example this guy right here at this moment in time and yeah he's he's scorching in that so yeah I also loved Max von Seedow on this rewatch where it's like he's he's the malevolent pro lobotomy

guy in the background all the time but he has the scene where DiCaprio is like stopping him and he's like so, it's like he's almost laughing at him like okay what are you going to do like because of course he knows what's going on. Right.

It's just it's that like malevolent presence that just kind of chuckles at your attempt to stop them I found very interesting. Max von Sied out as Dr. Schme Bengala in this movie, essentially, which, yeah. I also had entirely forgotten about Ted Levine's big scene in this movie, which is so good. One of the scariest things in the movie where he just looks at DiCaprio and he was like, what does he say?

It's something along the lines of. So what would you do if I just bid onto your eye? How long it would take you to stop me? Would you be able to fight me off, essentially? Like, listen, this is... Before I burst your... eye with my teeth. This is a 139 minute movie. This is a movie that probably could have held up to some cuts. This is a scene that is almost entirely extraneous except for thematic connections.

And even that is kind of tenuous. You absolutely could have jettisoned this scene and the movie would have continued going on as just fine. And yet it plays out in full, I imagine. If there was anything cut from this scene, I would be incredibly surprised because it does kind of go on and on and on. And it's such a treat to watch Ted Levine, who, again, is costumed, I will say the costuming in this movie is also fantastic, is costumed. Technically, he's the warden of this, you know, Shutter Island mental hospital slash prison. And yet there is something decidedly SS to his costuming, whether it's the hat or the glum. I mean. Max von Sita.

Oh, the same thing, right? Where everything is sort of plausibly, you know, rides this line between reality and Teddy's visions of Nazi conspiracies. And so, and he plays it as this essentially, God, I'm not going to come up with the right name of the philosopher, but who these sort of, you know, man is at his heart, the violent nature of man and only the thin, line of society is keeping us from all essentially devolving into primal beasts who are going

to bash each other's skulls in for our next meal and this very sort of fascistic sense of social order and and he delivers it straight and plain there's no he's not you know sneering he's not he's not tipping his hand in any way which i think makes that character all the more terrifying that he doesn't actually tip his hand it's a really really great scene actually i'm glad you brought it up you know one thing i'm glad you brought up you mentioned the costuming in this movie done by living legend sandy powell yeah did she get nominated this here oh we have a we have a quiz uh yes you you you you you you the pieces came together in your brain at the right time I almost did this for Robert Richardson, but Joe, you'll remember back a few episodes ago.

I forget which one it was, but either way. The Zimmer? The Zimmer quiz. What was that for? That was for... I challenged you to name all of Hans Zimmer's Oscar nominations, and I think we've come up with a new game. Until we have a different name for it, I'm just going to call it the Hans Zimmer game. Okay. Fantastic. I think what we should do, if we do these, it's a great way to talk about some legendary crafts people.

I think we do it for people who have 10 or more nominations, maybe not 10. Maybe we'll do 8 sometime. I almost pulled this out for Robert Richardson for you. But Robert Richardson's pretty easy because all of his nominations are like, Oliver Stone, Martin Scorsese, Quentin Tarantino, and then I think there's one or two more. Sure. So it would have been easy. So instead, for you, we're going to be doing for the Hans Zimmer game, Ms. Sandy Powell. All right. So here's the rules of the Hans Zimmer game again.

You just get to guess whichever nominations are out there in your brain. And if you get them off the bat, great. We won't break those down. From there on, you're going to get a series of clues, which are the first. You'll get the year of the nomination. If you can't get that from the movie, your next clue is the number of nominations for that film. From there, the number that it won.

And then the last hint will either be the categories that it won, or if it didn't win any, you're going to get the categories it was nominated for. Okay. All right. Sandy Powell has three Oscars. Can you name them? Okay.

I do want to dip in and just say that we did the Hans Zimmer game for the Da Vinci Code episode. uh yes all right sandy see this is the problem and this is where i maybe am going to get excommunicated from certain uh circles is i tend to conflate sometimes the sandy powell oscars with the colin atwood oscars and and oh god all right so sandy powell has no tim burton oscars though right right that's the thing is you can at least pull atwood to that um but the other thing is that um but the other thing like the same like so the directors I associate okay so I'm going to like come at this from a little bit of an odd angle right where I'm just going to try and go for not necessarily the wins because I don't think she won but I know she did the costumes for velvet gold mine correct that's the first one that comes into my head I know she did the cost maybe I don't know did she do costumes for the young Victoria she won for the young Victoria all right that's one that's something did she do the costumes for the aviator She won for the aviator.

Okay. So you're missing one of her wins. One of her wins. Okay. Sandy Powell. How many total did you say? Hold, please. I should have put that in my spreadsheet.

I didn't. Wasn't prepared for that. Can we also just say, while I'm pulling this up, Sandy Powell, the coolest motherfucker on the planet. Oh, absolutely. Every picture of Sandy Powell is like, Well, she's the fucking coolest person that exists. She looks half the time like Ziggy Stardust.

She's, you know, she's super amazing. I saw her one time they did a screening of Carol, I believe it was, at the Metrograph, and it was her in Haynes, and I can't remember who else was there. Christine Vashon, and it was super awesome, and I loved it. We're talking about 15 total nominations, including her three wins. A lot. Okay. Okay. All right. Okay. But you already have three of them.

You guessed Velvet Gold Mine. You guessed the Young Victoria and the Aviator. All right. So what other... I'm trying to think of maybe stick with like Scorsese for a while because he is kind of brand loyal for a lot of this kind of stuff. So I'm going to say, gangs of New York? Correct. Gangs of New York. All right.

Hugo? Incorrect. No Hugo. Okay. All right. I flew too close to the sun with that one. Oh, sorry. I was in the wrong place in my spreadsheet.

Hugo is actually correct. Oh. Fantastic. All right. So now I've got how many correct? That's like five. So I've got... That is five.

You are missing ten nominations. Would you like me to start with your clues from the beginning? Or do you think you can get some more? Okay. I do recall that I think, because I think I did this as a quiz, as a trivia question at one point, that her first nomination was for Orlando? Correct. Orlando. Okay. Are there any other tildas now that I think of it?

You have already mentioned a movie that she's nominated for, but you didn't guess it. Oh, within this discussion? Yes. Oh, God. And I didn't guess it? We were just sort of throwing stuff around? When did you see her speak? Oh, Carol.

Yes, Carol. All right, so now I'm down to eight. All right. Yeah, start from the earliest. Okay, so her first, as you were correct about, her first nomination was for Orlando. Her next nomination would be four years later in 1997. Is it Kundin?

It is not Cunjune. Okay. This movie was nominated for four Oscars. For four Oscars? In 1997. Can I ask whether one of them was a best picture nomination? That would be a part of your last clue. Okay.

We're not jumping ahead yet, sir. Okay. I'll give you your next clue if you're trying to push that along. No, no, no, no, no, no. The movie won zero Oscars. Okay. So Sandy Powell nominated 1997 for a movie with four Oscar nominations and no wins.

Would it have been Boogie Nights? It was not Boogie Nights. Okay. 97, four nominations. Including costume design and a movie that, let's say, in the year of Titanic, did not win. It's categories it was nominated for. Okay.

Costume design. Yes. Cinematography. Yes. Adapted screenplay And Best Actress Wings of the Dove Wings of the Dove

Correct Such a good movie Such a good movie The Wings of the Dove Okay Her next nomination would be the next year With Velvet Gold Mine You guessed

And then This would be one of the several years That she had Multiple nominations Her other one was also In 1998 I don't think She's Shakespeare in love

I don't think This was a movie with 13 Oscar nominations Shakespeare in Love Shakespeare in Love her first win I don't know why I thought that was not her Okay Wouldn't be nominated again until Gangs of New York

In 2002 which you correctly guess Then the Aviator Which she won for 2004 her next nomination was in 2005 Okay 2005 Sandy

Powell nominated but didn't win and what would have been 05 None of the other ones that you'll be guessing

are for wins We've already You've already guessed all of her three wins Right Right right Right Hmm

Memoirs of a Geisha Incorrect This is a movie nominated for two Academy Awards. Hmm. Okay. 9, or sorry, 05. Two Oscars.

It won neither of them. Yeah. All right, let's think. 05. Costume, let's see. Is there a, is there a Haynes in Oh, five, I don't think so. Give me half a second.

I can do this. I can do this. I think you can definitely do it if I give you the other category it was nominated for. Okay, what was it? Best actress. Pride and Prejudice. Incorrect. Pride and Prejudice had like four nominations, and I don't think costume design.

Okay, so the other nominee, were walk the line, which I think had maybe more than two. This is definitely the most forgotten movie in this best actress lineup, and probably this actress's least remembered nomination. Mrs. Henderson Presents. Mrs. Henderson Presents.

Okay. Her next nomination would be her third win for the Young Victoria. She would iconically get on stage and say, I already have two of these and her next nomination would be the very next year for 2010 2010 so the year of shutter island and it wasn't obviously for shutter island 2010 what are the big possibly sandy-esque was this god i'm going to feel so dumb if i no no no no never mind never mind i think you're there I think you have those.

No, I actually don't, because I was, the Duchess dropped in my head, but I know that won and that wasn't that year, so that wasn't her. This is one of the few movies that she's been nominated for, where only her costume design was nominated.

And so obviously she didn't win. Right, right. Definitely a movie we've used as a punchline before. Oh, from 2010. And for some reason I always think that this movie is a makeup nominee. The Tempest.

The Tempest. The Tempest. Sure. Okay, so next would be the next year. She's nominated for Hugo, as you guessed. Then in 2015, she was nominated for Carol, which you guessed, and also this film.

What film? What film? Another movie that I will say she is the only nomination for. This movie weirdly people thought would get a bunch of nominations and I thought people were

a little wild for thinking that, but Sandy Powell did get nominated. Okay, so it disappointed Hmm. Oh gosh. I would not say it disappointed.

I think people were... Oh, it overachieved? no because like it makes it makes full sense that this movie was nominated for costumes but people thought that it would be like production design blah blah blah I remember some people wanting it to get supporting actresses is it the Disney Cinderella remake it is the Disney Cinderella good job costumes and that were really good I will say I support that nominee they're always good yeah okay so next we're moving on to 2008 which is another year, I believe her third, that she has multiple nominations. 2018. Two movies and 2018. I bet you can get these without clothes. Okay.

Oh, gosh. All right. I don't think she was the favorite. But I'm going to guess that anyway. The favorite. Yeah, okay. I'm doing really good on the ones where I'm like, it's not that. Okay.

The favorite's the movie where she used all of these anachronistic design techniques, and it totally enhances the movie. Right. Well, obviously Black Panther won that year. Was she Black Claimsman? No. Okay. This is a movie.

nominated for four Oscars. Four Oscars in 2018. It wins zero. It wins zero. Well, rude, first of all. No, not rude. Not to me.

Not to you. Okay, a movie that Christopher does not like. Okay. We've talked about this movie before. in the context of its lead star, its lead actress. I mean, it's not the wife. The wife didn't get four nominations. What are the other nominations?

Costume design, production design, original score, and original song. Oh, okay, 2018 original song. So what did Shallow beat out that year is the question. Um Oh gosh What were the other ones? Production design Production design

Original score original song Score song Mary Poppins returns Mary Poppins returns God what an odd nomination Okay What a movie that is That does not exist

Yep yep yep totally true Expensive Yep popular movie That does not exist And then okay We're down to just one more movie her most recent nomination. It's 2019.

She actually shared this nomination. Oh. Interesting. Fellow nominee Christopher Peterson for this 2019 movie. What was 2019? Joker? Incorrect. I believe that was Mark Bridges, right?

I think you're right. I think you're right This is a movie that had 10 Oscar nominations Okay Irishman The Irishman That makes total sense I don't know why I didn't guess that earlier

Of course it's the Irishman Okay And that is Sandy Powell's 15 Oscar nominations And that was the Hans Zimmer game I thought I was going to do way worse at that So good for me Oh I think you did pretty well Good for me, all right

Now I want to go to the delve into who were the other costume nominees at this year's Oscars? Because we said, what did we say? The Tempest was her 2010 nomination? I've not seen The Tempest. So I can't say whether her costumes there were better or worse than what she did in Shutter Island. But the other nominees were Mary Zofreys for True Grit, Jenny Beaven, for the King's Speech, Antonella, Cana Rootsie for I Am Love, the Tilda Swinton

Luca Guadino movie and the winner was as I mentioned Colleen Atwood for the truly dreadful Alice in Wonderland one of my least favorite Oscar wins

of the last I don't know my lifetime What a fucking ugly movie To win multiple design Oscars It won three of them It won three design Oscars It's genuinely the like

dumbest thing? Not to say that like the design Oscars should be going to the prettiest one. No, but if you're ugly, be ugly with a purpose. This was not like an intentionally... Don't be accidentally ugly, basically, is what we're saying. Right. Essentially like, yeah, like, don't, when I say this is ugly, I don't mean that it like, for, you know, for film purposes. Leslie Manville in Phantom Thread saying, it hurts my ears, us watching Alice in Wonderland, it hurts our eyes. Sorry, it only won two design Oscars. It was nominated for three and it uh it did not win for i don't know which one it didn't win for but

like thank god it didn't and um yeah it won costume and it won art direction which was should have gone to true grit costume yes i mean sure i liked the cost i mean almost everything in that category is better i would say costumes that year now let me pull up my own because i definitely have some thoughts on this. So, okay, kind of entirely insane that Black Swan does not end up on this list. Like, what's going on? I don't know. Really?

You don't think so. I mean, it all goes into, like, the aesthetic of that movie, but I don't really think about the costumes when I think about that movie. I mean, I think it would be a more appropriate, like, makeup nominee than a costume nominee. Well, okay, fair. I'll give you that. All right. Other... It's a lot of leotards. If you're talking about movies that were in Best Picture, I know we've just had a disagreement about this movie, but I think the costumes in Inception are fantastic. And I know it's just suits, but like you remember those suits. You remember the look of that thing. I think that thing is impeccably costumed.

Listen, the way fabric just hangs off of Tom Hardy. It's not an accident. It's not an accident. You know, that's design, honey. Stuff that maybe was less obvious and was probably never in the conversation. But, like, the runaways was a really, really incredibly costumed movie. The Dakota Fanning, Kristen Stewart movie, the runaways. Also, I mean, it's us, so I'm just going to throw burlesque out there.

Because, again, it's gaudy, but, like, that's the point. Betterly it's hard than black swan. Okay, fine. Um, and of those ones nominated, yeah, I think, yeah, true grit would have been a good win. I am love, which is not a movie that, like, I'm super infatuated with, but like... Me either. I would have given that over Alice in Wonderland. I also wanted, because they brought up Richard's, Robert Richardson earlier.

So the cinematography nominees this year, which are pretty good. It's a pretty tough lineup to crack. I think there is one particularly sort of obvious one you would take out of. there. This was also the same year as somewhere. So like we've talked about somewhere and we've talked about how great Harris Savita is with the cinematography for that movie. So that would have been my winner that year. So like it would have been even tough in my fantasy lineup for Richards and to crack it. But so you look at the nominees, this was the year that Wally Fister finally won the cinematography Oscar for Inception. That has a lot of very showy cinematography. I think it's

very good. But like it makes a lot of sense that that's what he won for. Matthew Leiboutique nominated for Black Swan, Jeff Cronin with nominated for the Social Network, Roger Deacons got one of his many bagillion nominations for True Grit. And then I think the outlier, even though I get why it was nominated, beyond this the fact that it's like the big best picture frontrunner, but Danny Cohen for the King's Speech,

which was that sort of famously those off-center, you know, framings, the canted angles, all the sort of stuff that a lot of people found very annoying about the King's speech. Like, it is, it calls attention to itself in a way that I'm not surprised Oscar voters went for, but that would be the one I would knock out. I mean, I think in terms of the other Danny Cohen shot Tom Hooper movies, it is definitely the least annoying. Oh, well, yes. If you're judging by that, then yes. But that's a, that's a tough, that's a tough lineup right there. I think that would be a better Deacons Oscar than.

the movies he would eventually win for. I got to watch True Grit again. Everybody... Oh, my God. I mean, I'm telling you, when I say I sobbed watching it during the pandemic, I sobbed. I liked True Grit.

And then that's one of those movies that as the years have gone on, I'm like, I liked True Grit, but everybody else seems to like fucking love it. And I really, really probably should see it again just to see whether my disconnect

makes any sense or not. I mean, Haley Steinfeld, what a fucking star. if Jeff Bridges hadn't won the Oscar at that point, I think he probably would be my pick in this best actor lineup. Matt Damon is so great. Matt Damon, I think, is genuinely surprisingly very great. He and Elizabeth Marvel are the two actors who I walk out of that movie talking about, actually.

Even though Elizabeth Marvel only gets that one scene at the end, but she's really fantastic. Incredible. I mean, like, I walked away. from that rewatch being like I can't say that true grit is my favorite Cohen's movie. I can't do it. But at the same time it felt like there was this

pushback against True Grit at the time being like, well we're not going to support this as the as the like great Cohen's movie, especially after no country for old men and this is a noticeably like

cuddly is not the right word when you actually watch it. But like in comparison It's sentimental in a way It's sentimental in a way that a lot of Cohen's movies are not See but I think the sentimentality of it is And like this is maybe the thing

That made me really emotional And maybe it was the context of watching it You know while the world is burning down And you know everybody is making choices That are very self-involved And not you know Considering the greater good etc You know

the coens make movies about how the world is populated with bad people selfish people selfish bad self-motivated self-involved people yeah and like true grit is not that but it is maybe the movie in their filmography that says but sometimes there's people who do act out of selflessness yeah and you really have to cherish that when it happens but that again that's a rare sentiment for the coens right but i don't think it says that in like a greeting card. It's not goopy. No, no, no. I'm not saying that. When I say sentimental, I don't mean goopy. I just mean, especially given drudging on the sliding scale of the Cohen's, on the grading curve of that, it is one of their most sentimental movies, if not their most sentimental

movie, is what I would say. I still think it's pretty, like, tough and super violent. Sure. Not taking it away from that. And again, when I say sentimental, I am not. saying that as a pejorative, like, at all. I'm just noting it, because it's, to me, pretty obvious. Other cinematography stuff that I mentioned,

Harris Savita's for somewhere. It was so fantastic. Hoyt van Hotima for The Fighter, I think that movie, for being a Best Picture nominee, underrated for how well it films those, the scenes, the boxing scenes. is what I will say I don't even remember the boxing scenes in that movie I have to say

I mean they're the least interesting parts of it but like are done very well and I think are actually pretty suspensefully done I don't know I really like that movie it's fun it's not surprising to me that that is a best picture nominee that nobody really ever talks about anymore

and besides the supporting actress performances actually And maybe that's just sort of our circles of, uh, you know, whatever F slur. No, I think, I think other circles don't really talk about that movie either. But like you make a joke about MTV girls and... But that's what I mean. That's our circle. My men, she's gets swarmed. Like everybody else probably just forgets it entirely and doesn't even talk about the sporting

actresses. But anyway, back to Shutter Island. So, uh, because we still have, I think, a good deal to talk about. It was a, um, national border review selection for their top 10. That was the year they gave Best Picture to the social network. Obviously, they had a lot of eventual Oscar Best Picture nominees in there. The Fighter Inception, the King's Speech, Toy Story 3, True Grit, Winter's Bone. They had the town, which everybody sort of agrees was the 11th choice for Best Picture that year. And then the real outliers were Shutter Island, another year, the Mike Lee movie, another year, which we just talked about recently, such a good movie.

And then the classic NBR sort of booby prize goes to Clint Eastwood's Hereafter, which I remain furious we can't do an episode on in this podcast because it got one Oscar nomination. That is a good Oscar nomination, though. If I remember correctly, that sequence is, at least the visual effects of it are pretty good. It's a flood, right? I've never seen her after, but it's like... It's a tsunami. That's a tsunami. That's what I mean. Sorry, not a flood. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. Um, no, I would like an excuse to watch it just because all the reactions to it were so kind of dumbfounded. And, uh, and yet it was the nominee. And I don't know. I don't know. Maybe one day we'll figure out a way to talk about it. Um, any other thoughts on that NBR top top. Or that NBR in general that year. Justice for another year. So is my only thought. It's so good. It's so very good. Masterpiece.

Shutter Island got one nomination from the AARP Movies for Grownups Awards. Do you know what it? Oh, good. I put it on the outlines, of course. It's Ben Kingsley. It's Ben Kingsley. It's an interesting choice for that. Not a bad one. I think he's actually very good in Shutter Island. It would only be stupid if they don't nominate him the next year for Hugo.

Right. He's, yes. He's a much more of a spotlight. performance in Hugo in terms of awards ability. That category at the M4Gs for supporting actor is cuckoo bananas. You get only one Oscar nominee out of that bunch, and it's Jeffrey Rush for the King speech, which I guess that was a pretty young category that year at the Oscars. So, like, you're not going to nominate Ruffalo.

You're not going to nominate Christian Bale for the fighter. Who are the other ones? Christian Bale would have been 50 at this point. Really? I think. How old is Christian Bale? No. Oh, Christian Bell would have to be in his 60s now for that to make sense.

I mean. Hold on. Not the star of Swing Kids. Not the star of Newsies. Christian Bell's 48 years old, Chris. What are you talking about? What? Christian Bale?

I thought he was like 60. Absolutely not. No, he's 48. He just looks 60 because he's done nothing but abuse to his body. Yes, exactly. All that abuse he's done to his body. yeah no he's not 50 yet so who were the other two nominees that year who would have been 2010 I've got it right here I don't know why I'm like challenging myself why am I making it

hard on myself I can just look it right up right here uh John Hawkes and Jeremy Renner so Renner definitely wouldn't have been and Hawks is would have been right at the precipice because he's 62 now so I do think they nominate him for the sessions if I remember correctly yeah which would have been yeah two years later a few years later yeah yeah um but anyway john hawks and winter's bones so good uh john hawks should have been nominated back-to-back years because after winter's bone he did martha marcy may marlene and was terrifying he's so good even better we got to do that movie too at some point i love that movie so the other so in in place of all those whippersnappers at the oscars who they couldn't nominate the mfrogies instead

nominate kevin costner for john wells is the company men sure bill Murray for Get Low, the, the Liljohn biopic, right? Yes, exactly. Right. God, Jamie Fox was good in that. Okay. And the winner, which we must have talked about this category before because we've done this movie, John Malkovich in Secretariat, which is a weirdo choice.

A performance of just sweater busts and hats. Yes. What an odd, odd choice. now I'm trying to think of who would have been actors of a certain age who I might have thrown in there and I guess all of my phase that year were pretty young it's still like Ben Mendelssohn and Animal Kingdom Michael Shannon in the runaways Andrew Garfield

and never let me go they're all I guess Tucci would have been 50 by then would Vincent Purcell been 50 Oh for Black Swan Let's look him up I want you to go home and touch yourself

Stop quoting your text exchanges with Vincent Cassell. No, he's... I only recently discovered that Vincent Cassell and Monica Boulucci divorced, like a decade ago. I didn't know they divorced. I definitely knew they were married, but I did not know that they divorced. He's only 55 now, so he would have been too young for that as well. So it was a pretty young year for supporting actor contenders. So I guess that's why it went so off the rails for the M4G's.

In terms of Oscar precursors that, like, tend to... to portend to Oscar nominations. It did get an art director's guild nomination for period film, which is a pretty you know, Oscars do love their art direction and period films. The King Speech won that year. True Grit

was nominated. And then again, Outlier Noms, Git Lowe was apparently just fucking everywhere that year. Still have not seen Get Low. Still don't know. One day get low, we get high. And then the it's Ridley Scott who did this

Robin Hood, right? The Russell Crow. Yes, the Robin Hood. There are so many Robin Hood movies that are not real movies. They don't exist. Was that an Oscar nomination or could an Oscar nominee or could we do that? I think we could do that, but do we really want to do that to ourselves? I mean, I kind of am fascinated because, again, I've never seen it.

And I'm kind of fascinated as to like what it would have been. I don't know. I've bookmarked about seven movies. podcast where we just do talk about the various Robin Hood movies and try to distinguish them from one another. Yeah, our Robin Hood spectacular. I know I've bookmarked about seven movies

that we need to do in this episode, but there we go. Okay, oh, I did want to mention one thing, and this is fully me just, like, going into my notebook and, like, pulling out things that I jotted down. I want to talk about, well, before we talk about the music, I want to Joe Soap Opera Corner. You know the woman,

when he's pulling up into the asylum and he's looking at everybody and the woman with a scar across her neck who's like almost bald. Yeah, she's balding and it looks like, it was like, I remember seeing her in the trailer. I was like, wait, is that Emily Mortimer and like makeup? It is not. She's super creepy in the trailer. That is actress Jill Larson who played Opel on All My Children. And she's, her character on All My Children is like the kooky eccentric like Susan Luchy's character's best friend. She's, like, Erica Kane's, like, friend who's, you know, very sweet and likable and kind of goofy.

And maybe I can't remember whether she's a character who's, like, psychically touched. Like, you know what I mean? You know how sometimes that, like, soap operas will have those characters who are like, they're goofy, whatever. And, like, and I had a vision and whatever. So, like, Opel's the best. And so it's so weird watching her show up in this as, like, the creepiest, the creepiest possible character. And it's like, ah, Opel, what have they done to you? I want to talk about the music

because there is no original score. I was going to ask you if you had any comments on the nature of on the nature of daylight. I mean, you know I do. So there's no traditional score for this movie instead. Scorsese went to Robbie Robertson from the band and obviously Scorsese has a longstanding relationship with Robbie Robertson from the last waltz

and all the stuff. So Robbie Robertson essentially assembles this soundtrack of various instrumental classical pieces is there's a Marshall D. Shop, and there's more modern stuff. There's some Brian Eno in there. And then the one that obviously stands out to me, and you get it in a scene, I think the first scene where DiCaprio remembers Michelle Williams' character and sort of like falls into the one that includes her like crumbling to Ash.

Right, exactly. And so that's set to Max Richter's on the nature of daylight, which at this point, I can never remember the title of this totally nondescript movie that he actually wrote it for. But it's the music that they use at the end of Arrival, which is my big touchstone for this, which gets me every time. It so affected me when I first saw Arrival, and I can't hear this piece of music anymore without absolutely going back into that space. It's so devastating, but beautiful. And for Shutter Island, this already pre-existing piece of Max Richter music, Robbie Robertson, actually, I didn't realize he had produced this, but I guess he did. I saw in the credits, sort of mixed that instrumental with this Dina Washington vocal,

this bitter earth, which they use over the credits, not the beginning of the credits, but like towards the end of the credits. It's this very haunting version of this song, and the Dina Washington vocal is so good. And I remember this specifically because they used it, I believe, Mia Michaels choreographed routine and so you think it could dance one of those years around this time. And I remember it being very sort of like peculiar but also

very good. So yeah, that was, I sent you a video of that as I'm like watching the credits and literally I'm just like tear in my eye like watching this because this music's so beautiful. What did you think of this music choices in this movie? I mean

it is really cool. There's that like kind of rhythmic booming score that is very evocative of inception making it another kind of tie to that movie in the same year there it there's like kind of it makes it kind of evocative of the shining the way that it's like there's

penderecky music in it um yeah yeah i think the shining's a good example I think it also is helps to contribute to a lot of the Hitchcock illusions. Some of the music really feels very sort of old-school noir in a way that is, I don't know, it's very good, it's very effective, and I really like it. It's an element of experimentation in this movie that you probably wouldn't expect. You would expect a more traditional like Hans Zimmer, Howard Shore score.

Yes, yeah. Howard Shore is a good name to throw out for that. Have you seen Crimes of the Future yet? No, not yet, because I've had... My Dave, you got to see it just for the Howard Shore score. My God. I do obviously want to see it. I've had sad tummy issues the last couple weeks, and I have not wanted to see

Crimes of the Future, a movie that very possibly may turn my stomach in a way that would make me resent the movie for doing so. I would rather watch it in a place where I can appreciate the movie for doing so. It's less gross than you think it's going to be, but I totally understand that. Sure. I'm just going to, I'm going to let my, I'm going to let the old Tum-Tum recover a little bit more, and we'll, we'll figure that out. Understandable. What else? Am I, DeCamprio, the Wesley Morris thing, the cinematography? Oh, Jackie Earl Haley, I literally, I literally wrote down Jackie Earl Haley, this gallum-looking motherfucker, because really, he sort of lurks in the shadows of this one scene that he's in, and he literally is sort of crouched in this very gallum-like posture. This was my main thought of it.

I don't know. What did you think of that scene? Jackie Earl Haley, after the Little Children nomination, the kind of career boost that he got was still just like, we need you to play human gallum, basically. Right. In the things that he would get cast in. What's the one thing that I was like, oh, Jackie Earl Haley is actually really good in this? But they just want the guy to play creeps all the time. Yeah.

Also, I made a joke about this in the lead-up to the plot description, but, like, am I not wrong that Elias Coteus is a creature out of your sexual nightmares? Why is it my sexual nightmare? He's got, like, staples in his face. Haven't you previously talked about finding Elias Coteus super hot? Just in Crash. Only in Crash. That's it. Okay, but this is like, he's, again, if scars are your stumbling block, I don't know why Crash would be your go-to then.

I don't think he, well, no, he does have scars. Yes, he does. Of course he does. Come on. Well, I mean, every... Listen, noted Allison Irahita Bop, we all have our scars. Wow, that is a pull. Let me tell you, noted Allison Irahita Bop.

Three nominations came this movie's way from the Teen Choice Awards, and I just want to talk about that for a second. Are they all for Leo? No, only one of them is for Leo, but... Teen Choice Daddy, Mark Ruffalo. Leo does win. choice movie actor horror thriller. He wins opposite, actually, his co-star in this movie, Jackie Earl Haley for A Nightmare on Elm Street.

Oh, right. He played Freddie Krueger. Penn Badgley for the Stepfather, iconic IMDB game selections, The Stepfather for Pen Badgley. Mika Slote for Paranormal Activity, the husband from paranormal activity. That is how popular that movie was that got an acting nomination.

And my personal choice for the win in this category, and it's such a great nomination, and I credit the Teen Choice Awards for being on the ball with this, Adam Brody and Jennifer's Body. I legit would have nominated him for Best Supporting Actor that year. I thought he was so, so, so good in that movie. Nice. Well done. All right. What else do we have Shutter Island gets nominated for? Michelle Williams was nominated for Choice Movie Actress Horror Thriller. Megan Fox actually wins that one for Jennifer's body, again. RAD.

Katie Cassidy for A Nightmare at Elm Street. Now, Katie Cassidy, I don't know if that rings any bells for you. She is an actress who... Is she the first friend to die? In the nightmare. I've not seen the remake of A Nightmare in Elm Street. Because Rooney Mara is the lead. Yes, so that would make sense then, that she would be the one who, in the original, gets killed on the ceiling.

Yeah. Very possible. Katie Cassidy had a few years there where she was in every sort of C.W.S. Prime Time soap drama. She was in Gossip Girl briefly. She was in the remake of Melrose Place. I personally loved her in the CBS summer junk mystery thriller Harper's Island that only lasted one season and was awesome. So Katie Cassidy is one of those names that's sort of like, she's definitely, I don't know what she's doing now, but hopefully all the best. She's David Cassidy's daughter. Rumor Willis nominated for Sorority Row and good for Rumor. And also for Sorority Row, a hugely popular film at the Teen Choice Awards, Audrina Patridge from the Hills. So there's that. And then finally, Shutter Island is nominated for Choice Movie Horror Thriller. It loses to paranormal activity, huge like the bonanza, of course, that makes sense. A Nightmare on Elm Street is nominated, the stepfather is nominated, and Splice is nominated. One of the wildest movies, I've had the pleasure of watching.

I've never seen Splice. Should I see Splice before we get into the whole Sarah Polly celebration? Oh, I was going to say maybe save it for spooky season, but, like, I would check it out. Honestly, if you're in a Sarah Polly mood, like, it's not like it's a powerhouse Sarah Polly performance, but like it is a, it's a narsely little movie, I will say. And, yeah, yes, I would say do it. Check it out. It's, it's real, it's real gross. It'll make you feel gross at the end.

So there's that. Anything else you want to talk about Chutter Island before we move into the IMDB game? Um, um, um, uh, uh, no. Okay. Then why don't you tell our listeners what the IMDB game is all about? Every week we end our episodes with the IMDB game where we challenge each other with an

actor or actress to try to guess the top four titles that IMDB says they are most known for. If any of those titles are television, voice only performances or non-acting credits will mention that up front. After two wrong guesses, we get the remaining titles release years as a clue. And if that's not enough, it just becomes a free-for-all of hints. That is the IMDB game. All right, Chris, would you like to go first, sorry, guess first or give first? How about I guess first this week? All right. So I went into the considerable filmography of Martin Scorsiase. We talked about how we are very excited for his next film, Killers of the Flower Moon. When I was on Little Gold Men to talk. about this a few months ago and sort of look ahead at the Oscar prospects we were sort of up in the air about

what the lead supporting distinctions would it be for its two male stars Leonardo DiCaprio and Jesse Plemons and I think... It's going to depend on how the movie is adapted without spoiling it for you it could go a lot of different ways. That's what sort of we were wondering about

and Plemons obviously was sort of the hot hand coming off of the Oscars this year, so we were pretty high on him. But anyway, that's who I want you to guess for. I want you to guess the IMD be known for for Jesse Plymonds. Speaking of Teen Choice Daddy. Oh, my God.

Jesus Christ. All right. Okay, Jesse Plemons. This is actually going to be hard because he's in a lot of movies. I do have to wonder if, even though it's recent, and it's Netflix, if Power of the Dog is there, and I do think it is going to be there, because he got the nomination.

Correct, the Power of the Dog. Cool. Okay. Other people. Oh, sorry, the film Other People. No. Not Other People. He's phenomenal in that movie. He's great. I love Other People. Very good movie. Chris Kelly. I love him.

I have some reservations about the movie, but no reservations about him. He's so great. Um, the master. No, not the master. Shit. Two strikes. All right.

So your remaining years are 2012, 2012, 2018, 2019. 2019 is the Irishman. It is the Irishman, yes. So there's two Netflix on there. Yeah. Um, um, hmm, 2018, the year before is probably, game night. It is game night, a great film

Game Night. I would not say great, but there is some funny shit in that movie. I love it. It's very good. Rachel McAdams, dancing with a gun, is unfortunately very funny to me. Yes, that's the only good gun content in anything, yes. Billy Magnuson and Sharon Horgan, A++, I love it. Don't love that stuff in that movie. You're wrong.

I have decided. that his character is queer-coded. Okay. That's for your own selfish purposes, though. Mm-hmm. I won't go further into that. Okay, did you say 2012 and it's not the master? Correct.

Okay. This is hard because that's the first time I ever saw him in anything. Oh, you are not a Friday Night Lights person. Do you really think that... I know it's supposed to be a good show. Most of the people who liked Friday Night Lights were not the people you would expect to like a show called Friday Night Lights. Okay.

Like, I stand by that. I mean, I do think that's true, but I don't think that's a show for me. I think you would have liked it. It's probably, it's too late now. You missed your shot, but I think you would have liked it. Probably. Yeah. So, yeah, this is his first big movie after getting famous for Friday Night Lights.

Okay. Big movie. So it's like. Or, yeah, it's a big movie. Okay. is it like a franchise it wanted to be i would imagine it wanted to be it was definitely so it was like a thwarted franchise

it definitely did not do well at all it kind of killed the career of its lead star um jesse plemmins i do not know how big his role in this is he's pretty far down the the cast list but it like it was a career killer for it was kind of a career killer this movie and another movie in tandem

kind of teamed up to like deep six this guy's career it was the other movie in 2012 um if it wasn't it was like the year before but I think it was hold on okay um

his career would have killed also 2012 okay he was actually in three movies that year that kind of like the third one was a little less high profile, but with a definitely established director, and it's a movie that I love, even though it's garbage. I know who this is. What? Taylor Kitch.

Yes. Yes. I'm speaking of, of course, Oliver Stone Savage is a great piece of shit movie. And the Jesse Plymouth movie is John Carter. It's not. It's the other one. What's the other one? Well, that's what I'm asking you.

Because that I don't, that I do not know, but I do. know that when you say career killer yeah i figured it out from savages and then it's john carter but i don't know what this other movie is it's based on pre-existing ip but not a film or a book or a tv show wow oh is it battleship it's battleship yes no yes not battleship All I know about Battleship is that it has Rihanna. Yes, it sure does. Also, Liam Neeson and Alexander Scarsgaard and Brooklyn Decker's. But so Taylor Kitch within the span of like three months had John Carter and Battleship.

And it was like watch a promising. And again, Taylor Kitch, also Friday Night Lights. Also was great on Friday Night Lights. And kind of everybody who loved him in that was sort of bummed out to watch him crash and burn in this way. But, uh, yeah. All right. What you got for me? Okay. Well, unfortunately, I picked something that is much easier than the Jesse

Plymouth's known for. I went into the Dennis Lehane filmography and pulled somebody that surprisingly we have not done. Um, I pulled Sean Penn. Get out of here that we've never done Sean. her based on the Le Hane novel. All right, so I would be shocked if his two Oscar wins are not on there. So Mystic River and Milk. Correct. All right.

Now it's a matter of how far back we go into his earlier stuff. I think this is going to be too easy. I should have dug further. It's so hard to pull names now that we haven't done, that it's like the first thing I come across. The thing, though, I don't know, though, because here's the thing about Sean Penn is there's a way to outsmart yourself in this, for sure. I don't think it would be anything after milk, but I'm trying to think of, like, the, like, what's his big, like, box officey movie? He doesn't really have any of those.

Dead Man Walking? Dead Man Walking, correct. Okay, all right. I should also note, he didn't direct any of these. Flag Day is not on here. I can't imagine that Sweeten Lowdown would be one of them. And I don't think I am Sam, so that knocks out two of the other Oscar nominations. Is it Fast Times at Ridgemont High?

It is not Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Oh, there goes my perfect score. Which I just watched for the first time. Thank you, Karina Longworth. Oh, yeah, I just listened to that episode. Good miniseries that she's doing. Made me want to watch Body Double, which I've not seen. Body Double is a fucking blast.

I also just watched. I'm so wary of De Palma. I know that makes me sound like a whatever idiot, but I was so... No, I don't think it does. Dressed to Kill so rubbed me the wrong way. Yeah, I agree and I understand. But then there are all those, there are department movies that I really like, so I can't like broad brush it or anything like that.

So I should check it up. That's the thing about this, you must remember this series, is like, I actually don't think it's one of the better produced seasons that she's done. However, it has made me want to go back and watch pretty much every single one of these movies. Yeah, I definitely wanted to watch 10 after that episode. Yeah, what else? What are the other big ones that got talked about in that season, in this season? I even watch Jagged Edge, which Karina is right.

It is a giant piece of hateful shit. That's fantastic. The Melanie Griffith stuff, though, was real eye-opening, just in terms of, like, I didn't realize the depths to which she was treated like real garbage by both the industry and the media. And that's unfortunate. I'm stalling for time. For your last Sean Penn movie. My last Sean Penn.

Which you haven't gotten any wrong guesses. Yes, I did. Well, no, you got pastime. I guess I got fast time. I got fast time. Okay. Or you didn't get pastime. Is it Carlito's Way?

It's not Carlito's Way. So your year is 2003. Is it 21 grams? 21 fucking grams. That's insane. That's, I will say, Iniaridu is pretty, is pretty overrepresented on IMDB games in general, but even still, that surprises me. Wow. All right.

Well, I'm not mad that I didn't get a perfect score on that because I, I, I considered 21 grams, and I rightfully, I thought, put it out of my mind. So, crazy. All right. Good episode, Chris. Interesting movie, I will say. Come back next week for episode, 200. It is going to be a party. It'll be something.

All right. I'm excited to talk about that movie. Me too. No, I'm thrilled to talk about the movie. A little bit daunted as to what else we're going to throw in there. But we'll have that conversation soon. All right. That is our episode.

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