This Had Oscar Buzz - 200 – Gloria Bell

Episode Date: June 27, 2022

We’ve made it to 200 episodes! And as long-time listeners are aware, there are few THOB-eligible films as beloved as Gloria Bell. In 2013, Sebastián Lelio delivered Gloria, a delightful Chilean character study of the everyday life of a single woman entering middle age played by an incandescent Paulina García. When Julianne Moore approached Lelio about … Continue reading "200 – Gloria Bell"

Uh-oh, wrong house. No, the right house. I didn't get that! We want to talk to Marilyn Hacks. Life just goes by in a flash like that. I know. You tell me the same thing every 10 years. You come here a lot?

Yes. No, not a lot. I mean, sometimes. What's your name? Gloria. Hello? Are you asking me out? Ow!

Ow! You want more at the sides? A little bit more than that, actually. Hello and welcome to the This Had Oscar Buzz podcast, the only podcast that has been living in a cave on an island in New England and hiding out from ex-Nazi doctors and Ben Kingsley for the last 199 episodes. Every week on This Had Oscar Buzz, we'll be talking about a different movie that once upon a time had Lofty Academy Award aspirations, but for some reason or another, it all went wrong. The Oscar hopes died. We are here to perform the autopsy.

And somehow, we've made it to 200 episodes. I am your host, Joe Reed. I'm here, as always, with my co-host who's always on the run now, Chris File. Hello, Chris. I'm trying to think of other lyrics. I wasn't prepared for that. Hello. Hi.

Hello. How are you? Hi, hi, hi. You could just sing the ones in Spanish. That's fine. So it'll all work. Happy 200th episode, Chris. 200 episodes is a lot of episodes.

It's a lot of movies. It's a lot of IMDB games. It's a lot of plot descriptions. It's a good handful of guests. Many said it couldn't be done. And they said it wouldn't last. Yeah, what if we just made up a bunch of imaginary haters who we have to like battle back against? Who are like, they said that we would fail?

And it's like, who said? And it's like, they did. just to sort of give us motivation for the next 200. I'm just going to go into a singing montage of Shania Twainz. You're still the one. Yes, exactly. I'm so glad we made it. Look how far we've come.

Oh, my baby. What if this episode was just like the Tonys last year where they just did like a concert instead of giving out the awards? And it was just, we had a cavalcade of performers to just like come out. and serenade us and, you know, celebrate us for making it to 200. I'm sure we could corral some Gary's and friends and former guests to sing in our honor. We started this episode, or this podcast, Chris, in 2018. That's crazy. A lifetime ago.

A lifetime ago. We started this podcast relatively shortly before we saw this movie today. That's true. Yes. I think that's part of why we settled on this for our 200th episode, momenticcation. Yeah, we chose for our 100th episode. We knew we were going to do Mother for a while because it was a crazy movie that we both had strong feelings for, and we knew it would be a little controversial, but also would be, like, super fun to talk about.

And that kind of seemed like a no-brainer. This one you had floated for us as our 200th, and it made a ton of sense. It's a movie that sort of looms large in our friendship. You're right that it was a movie that we saw together early on in the tenure of our podcast. That TIF was only like, what, three months into, I think? I think so. Didn't we start in June? I think we started in June.

I mean, that makes sense because basically every 50 episodes accounts for, like a year. We would take like a week off. Right. Previously. So like it still kind of amounts to that. Yeah. Our TIF 2018 special happened between the 13th and 14th episodes at the podcast. Wow. That's amazing. I almost went back and listened to it. Did you? Um, I just not just to see what we said about. Yeah. We had that four way that we had we recorded it live with Nick Davis and Nathaniel Rogers in our TIF apartment and it was just one of those. In our TIF dungeon, yeah. Yeah, in our dungeon. God, that was the most uncomfortable I've ever slept for 10 straight days.

We just sort of, like, put the mic in the middle of the room, and we didn't even all, like, necessarily huddle around it. We were just, like, super cash. It was all at, like, two in the morning. We've come a long way in audio. For as much as we are still not a professionally produced podcast, and we still, you know, struggle and tinker and whatever. We've come a long way in terms of audio quality.

So thank you for listeners for sticking it out through the leaner years. Yes, that's true. Sorry. Sorry. We cannot be, uh, uh, you know, I don't know. What's their big news program? Their big fancy news program. Whatever. This had Oscar Buzz, a serial podcast. Listen, we, we should have actually had a, uh, a serial-esque murder to solve just to, to, to, to, to, thread it through all of our 200 episodes. And we'd be no closer to solving it now, if that was the case. Yeah, really, really happy to have made it this far. We show no signs of stopping.

We have no shortage of movies in the hopper for going forward every year. They dump dozens more onto the pile for us, and we're incredibly grateful and thankful for that. So for our 200th episode, we have decided to talk about Gloria Bell, the glorious Gloria Bell. Chris, this movie means a lot to us. We mentioned that up front. Tell the tale of us seeing Gloria Bell at Tiff.

Listen, okay, so we do the long haul. We're one of the demented people that stay there the whole time. Yes. And by a certain point, in our years of Tiffing together, we both usually just hit a brick wall where we just like look at each other. It's unavoidable. Yeah. It really is.

Like, you're taking a lot of information. you're actually on your feet quite a bit. Like, you're not eating particularly well. It's like you, we end up just looking at each other like food, food. Like, you know, it's very that. I look forward to it very much. This movie, we saw it at that time. I feel like we maybe even planned, like, we're going to need a little boost on that day, whenever it was.

It would have been like the second Thursday or the Wednesday. I'm looking at my Tiffer right now. It was, in fact, the second Thursday of the festival. There you go. There you go. We both loved the original. Both loved Julianne Moore. Yes.

And... By this point, by the way, I need to mention, I had already, in the two previous days, seen life itself and out of blue. Life itself, the Dan Fogelman movie disaster that we will probably be doing on this podcast very soon. And then out of it was that Patricia Clarkson Homicide Detective movie that was insane. Where she's like looking at her hand and is like, everything is made of stars. It's all about stardust metaphors. It's crazy. It's nuts. It has Jackie Weaver woofing down some chicken wings.

yeah but truly like what movie doesn't at this point um right right right right every movie needs it every horror movie has jackie weaver to show up eat chicken wings and then get terrorized by a evil spirit or murderer or something like that it just happens she's always the act one murder yeah so we settled into gloria bell knowing that like at the very least because this is the thing about the buzz on gloria bell at that tiff was silence it was very very quiet everybody sort of knew that it was Sebastian Lelio remaking his own movie, and there was sort of a muted sense of why, you know, why is he doing that? Everybody loves Julianne more, but there wasn't a lot of excitement about the idea. I think there was, we'll get into. It premiered, like, one of the first days, too, of the festival.

It was maybe, like, the first Friday. It was September 7th, so, yeah, it was, yeah, it was early. It was early in the week. And a lot of those early premieres at that TIF were, like, life itself, beautiful boy. It was a lot of these things that were underwhelming people. So it is a little surprising. And I mean, I guess, you know, not everybody that's seeing those movies also saw this movie and, like, gave it the kind of ho-hum response that it got. But it just wasn't a priority.

It wasn't a priority for people. Nobody really expected very much of it. even if like you'll talk about the rotten tomatoes like the the critics loved it it's a 91% rotten tomatoes movie and like even the people who but like there was a quality to especially those early responses that was muted and we'll get into why so we go in to see gloria bell and we're like listen even if it's not great we'll have a good time we'll be able to relax it's not gonna like traumatize us or anything like that and we'll get to watch julian more and sort of chill out in the scotia bank and it'll be good and then into our little bubble of julian more bliss we sit down

and who is sitting a row away from us but one of the bridge troll who shall not be named right Like the worst movie blogger, Oscar blogger, bigot and woman hater. Worst in the business. You know who we're talking about. Someone who gets way too much gas online, but we have to tell the story anyway. So he's sitting a row away from us in front of us. Or two rows. It's enough of, we're not like breathing down his neck or anything like that.

But he's like two rows in front of us, but like directly. in front of us. And we're just, like, both of us sort of looked each other and we're like, oh, God, this is the last thing we fucking need. And I think we both sort of silently made the decision to, like, annoy him with enthusiasm. Yeah. Well, okay, so first of all, this, he's trying to, we're close enough that we can have him an eye shot, but not look directly at him and get pulled into his evil orbit. I was going to say, turn to stone, right? Exactly, you know, he's telling the story about how he basically harassed a TIF volunteer and told them that he had a heart attack. Right.

Right. Which apparently, I think, cost him as accreditation because they don't accredit him anymore. I mean, I'm glad something did. But, like, he's telling this whole thing about, like, how ridiculous it is that. that he said he had a heart attack to somebody and they took it seriously and tried to get him help and he thought that that was ridiculous apparently. So this, and he was being very loud

and making a spectacle of himself, like wanting people to endorse his point of view in this situation. And I think that's partly why we just kind of like, look at each other and we're like, okay, We are going to be very vocal F slurs here, and we are going to make this a gay party. Not in a way that would inconvenience other people. Again, we just sort of... Right.

Our effusiveness for this movie was apparent and vocal. So, yes, we ended up loving this movie way more... certainly way more than I expected to, even though, like, it's the same, it's the same story. You know what I mean? Like, it does not change very much. Sebastian Lelio has described this movie as sort of a cover version of his original. And, but it's great.

And if you've seen the original, you know that, like, the one main thing on my mind was, are they going to end it the same? Because the ending of the original Gloria was one of my very favorite movie endings, and it cuts the exactly perfect moment to cut to end credits. And I was like, is he just going to do it again? Is he going to feel like he needs to switch it up because he doesn't want to repeat himself or whatever? And it ends exactly the same way. And I could not have been happier.

And I just like shot my arms up in the air and yelled and applauded at the end. And it was so wonderful. And I felt so good at the end of that movie. It's hard not to feel great at the end of Gloria Bell. Right. We were both totally, like, in it, invested, living for it. I think, like, we are also just, like, the key demographic for this movie, which is women and gay men who just want to watch a woman live her life. Yeah.

Yeah. Which, like, that's what this movie is. Yes. In all its sort of mundane and wonderful glory. Yeah. Yes, but we are the type of audience member that's going to be hanging on every little bit of nuance of her everyday life and, you know, reading into the minutia of the performance to, like, what is her character arc, what is her emotional arc, what is happening while she, you know, like, cleans her bathroom or something. Yeah, exactly, exactly. And of course, like, that, like, we, without, like, saying a word to each other, that's running through our veins as we also are, like, in the presence of a monster who we know is not the core demo for this movie.

So it's like we are going to, without disturbing our other fellow moviegoers. are going to thrive on this movie. It was also not an incredibly well-attended. Like, again, second Thursday of the festival. A lot of people have left. None of these screenings, none of these press screenings are super full. So, you know, we have the space. So, all right, we are now almost 45 minutes into this episode.

We really should do a plot description. We promised after the EW series that we would get, back to being disciplined, and we've now thrown that up the window. But Chris, we're going to task you with the 60-second plot description for Gloria Bell. But before that, we're going to run down the specifics. 2019's Gloria Bell was directed by Sebastian Lelio, based on his 2013 film, Gloria, written by Alice Johnson-Bohr and Sebastian Lillio, starring Julianne Moore, John Turturo, Rita Wilson, Michael Sarah,

Karen Pistorius, Holland Taylor, Brad Garrett, Gene Triple Horn, and Sean Astin. It premiered on September 7th, 2018, at the Toronto International Film Festival. It did not open until the following March, March 8th, 2019. Chris, I'm going to put my stopwatch on, and we're going to prepare for your plot description.

Are you ready, sir? If I can't get this movie with minimal plot in under 16, seconds. I should not be allowed to do it anymore. All right. Well, then you have laid down the gauntlet. So perhaps Chris Files' last 60 second plot description is beginning now. All right. We meet Gloria Bell. She is a woman entering her middle age. She is a divorcee. She has two adult children. Anyway, she enjoys the nightlife. She loves dancing. But she meets a man named Arnold one night who he is a recent divorcee as well. And he's kind of shy. He runs a paint. ball business, but, like, the relationship takes off. Anyway, she takes him to a birthday party for her son, where her ex-husband and his new wife are there, and, like, it's all, you know, reminiscing happily, even though it ended poorly. Arnold, who is a piece of shit, leaves her there to be humiliated, and then it kind of breaks up the relationship, right? Anyway, like, she, you know, thinks about her life. She smokes a blunt. She hangs out a little bit, but then he decides to get back

together with her after calling her a ton of times, takes her to Vegas, leaves her at dinner, and then she ends up going to his house with his paintball gun and shooting him to the sounds of Bonnie Tyler, goes to a wedding reception late and decides to reclaim her life by dancing to the song of her own name. That was finished in 60 seconds. In 65.56 seconds. I'm sorry, Chris Fyle, you have to retire from plot descriptions. And the audience cheers.

Wait a second. That means that I have to do all of them. No, fuck that. I'm on retiring you. No, you're, you have to take that back. Still pretty good. Yes. Good plot description.

Chris. Not a plotty movie. It's about a woman living her life, and we should all celebrate that. Yes. Like, and what I love about Gloria Bell is it is a movie. It's not quite a vignette movie, but it's not not that either. Like so many small little scenes are. in this movie, that sort of add

to the mosaic of glorious character. They all sort of serve a purpose. They all give you different shades of this woman who on the later end of middle age she's empty nested with

her two children who are varying degrees of not close, not distant. Like there's, you know, she doesn't have bad relationships with her kid, but, like, Michael Sarah's got the wife who he's clearly having problems with and the new kid, and they, she is not a grandmother who, like, is called upon to help with the baby.

Like, you know what I mean? Like, you can tell, like, she wishes she had a closer relationship with him and, you know, and with the baby, and that's not really the case. And then her daughter has met this Swedish guy who she's, uh, finds out that she's pregnant and she's going to move to Sweden to be with him. And so you get the sense that she's... She pulls the full lady bird that she takes her to the airport and then loops around and, like, tries to see her. And she just sees, like, the little, like, just too short to even, like, call out her name or something.

Yeah, it's a sad scene. And so, I like the fact that, like, it is... It's not this, like, melodramatically terrible relationship she has with her kids. And you see that sort of reflected with the legitimately terrible relationship that the Arnold character has with his kids. A shame, because John Titoro is so hot in this movie. He's fantastically good, too. It's a really, really good performance. And I want to get into that in a second, but just sort of like back to the vignette nature of this.

You get these scenes like she goes to this, like, she goes to a yoga class. She goes to this what seems like a laughing class. Like laughing therapy thing. She smokes a blunt. She tries, you know, all these different things. She's willing to, very much like gazelle as voiced by Shakira in Zootopia, she's willing to try everything. She wants, she goes to these, the thing that's so fascinating is these sort of like singles dances or these, you know, singles nights at whatever kind of like dance club that she goes to, which is, you know, 80s, 70s and 80s music and you can, you know, meet people or not. dance or not, and she really enjoys going to these so much, even though they seem to offer as much in the headache department as they do in terms of, you know, what's freeing for her

about them. And you really get a sense, what I love about this movie is it's all these vignettes, and it's sort of this, you know, character study or whatever, and it touches on things without really saying them outright. There's a lot of, like, I hate the way the term economic anxiety has been co-opted by, like, gross political things that we don't want to talk about, but, like, there's legitimate economic anxiety in this where it's like, you know, she is divorced. She's, you know, in her, let's say, late 50s. She was, I think Julianne Moore, at least, was her late 50s when this came out. So, like, that's, you know, shock it up with that. I think, I think she's a little bit younger than Julianne Moore is supposed to be. Well, anyway, she's in her 50s. She's

starting to sort of see around her. She has that talk with her mother about how, you know, Holland Taylor plays her mother. And she's like, your father left me quite a bit of money. And I think I might outlive it. Because, you know, and she has the coworker who talks, who they have a talk about how her 401k is not going to be end up being enough for her and that's even if and that's if she lasts you know however long in the job to get it and then she this woman eventually gets fired not too long after so there's this grim sense of economic the economic reality is of being single and not incredibly well off right she lives in this apartment this you know apartment downstairs from this mentally disturbed man who's yelling all the time and and and then at

same time, she's at this stage of her life where she goes out to these, you know, singles nights at these bars and she dances and whatever. And yet, without saying it outright, the movie clearly communicates that, like, if she's going to, if she wants to end up with a man, with, you know, another man to be with, there's a degree of settling that she feels like she's going to have to do. Like, that's why she goes back to Arnold the second time. That's why she doesn't sort of like clean break it from Arnold after he ditches her at the family party, where there's

the sense of like, I'm going to have to compromise because, you know, the pool is not great when you're in your 50s. And you can also see that like performance of compromise when she's like talking about Arnold or like trying to like

Rationalize him up a little bit. You know, when she's either describing him to someone or at that family party where, which is why he's such a fucking dick, because she's like, it's like, she was talking you up to these people. Yeah. But yeah, you see that compromise in like, and again, like you said, without, she never says, you know, how he can be unideal or how he's a little square, but, right, the expression on her

face, which, watching Julianne Moore's face during him reading that. like the punchy poem to her is so good because she like she goes through this like journey as he's reading her this like you know the type of poem you might see on like superimposed on a photo of a beach um it's very that and she like kind of tunes out and then ultimately she like kind of sticks with it and is moved and like cries yes but but you can tell she's making the choice to do that. You know what I mean? To emotionally invest in this.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and this is also what I love about the Terturo character, beyond the performance, which I think is great. This is a character who very easily in another movie that was about that character could be this guy as a protagonist. He's got foibles. He's got weaknesses that he needs to overcome. He is not an ideal person. He makes mistakes. He fucks up. He's clearly coming from, you know, they talk about how he had like weight loss surgery, so he's, you know, whatever kind of, you know, trauma he's sort of, you know, got from that. He also has a family who clearly hates him. His daughters clearly hate him. And he's got a wrong sex wife. Oh, like, who like have their claws in him and will not allow him to live his life. So like clearly there is a version of his story that is very sympathetic to him. And that from his perspective, the audience then would be invited to, you know, while not letting him off the hook, would be invited to, you know, share in his perspective. And what I love about Gloria Bell is it allows you to acknowledge that while being absolutely unapologetic about the fact that, like, well, this is her movie.

This is Gloria's movie. And from glorious perspective, this is a month, this guy who has like done monstrous, selfish things to her, not. through malice, not because he's a predator, not because he's like an evil person, but through his weakness and baggage and foibles and, you know, issues, ends up really wounding this woman. And the movie is like, we're not going to pretend that she's, that this isn't the case for her. And we are absolutely on her side because this is her story we're telling. And I love that about the movie. That when you get to the scene with the paintball at the end, where she goes, which is a fucking hysterical scene the way it's filmed.

She goes over- The crescendo of total eclipse of the heart is just like, that is when we together were just like, basically cheering in the theater. We were so happy. It's also, though, it's filmed so funny because she starts shooting him and he's reacting, literally like it's at the end of the deer hunter or whatever, where he's just like, no, and he falls over and then his daughters come running out and then who we've never seen and we've never seen and we're not even like it's a medium shot so it's not like we're even like get a good like super great look at the daughters but they come running out and the one is like you bitch i can't

remember but then a split second after the daughters run out uh out runs the mother with her legs all bandaged up because we had heard in like the scene before uh one of the scenes before about how she'd like walked through a glass door and so the sight gag of this woman with her legs all bandaged up is such a darkly comedic moment and that's when I lost it. I thought that was so fucking funny. It is very adjacent to all the sisters from the fighter. Yeah, kind of. Yes. It's such a great scene. Except it's like them in the San Fernando Valley. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's so beautiful. But then the movie keeps going too. Like it's this huge cathartic moment you could just like

the ending is so you're smart to say that it's one of the best endings or at least one of your favorite because I love a cut to black ending that happens at the exact right moment it's a slam cut to black too that's what I love and it's so good

it's at the exact right moment but like the paintball scene is already so cathartic and so like such a cheering moment what is it like fan favorite stand-up and cheer Oscar moment

Gloria Bell um Gloria Bell shooting John Totoro with a paint gun yep yeah where was that Oscars fuckers but there's like this is what's so so much that I get wrapped up

in this movie that I love so much and in both movies is like there's kind of these degrees of catharsis because then what does Gloria Bell do she smokes more of that blunt and then she goes to this wedding reception and And she's stoned, but, like, you can tell she's, like, still going through it, and, like, it sounds corny, but, like, she goes out on the dance floor, and there's a catharsis from that.

There is a certain degree of catharsis to that slam cut to black. Oh, my God. Because of the, you know, feeling that it leaves you with that, like, I don't know, it's, it, there is a certain degree that, like, Gloria Bell and Gloria are wavelength movies in that. that, like, if you don't get on the wavelength of the performance, you're probably not going to appreciate all that it's doing. But, like, if you are, those, like, the catharsis that happens from this movie and, like, the heartache that happens from this movie, the multiple times that he, like, leaves her, like, destitute sounds crazy, but, like,

and also, like, the catharsis of when she acts out in Vegas, And she gets, like, wastey-wasted. Making out with Sean Aston on top of the double-decker bus. Yes. Right. And then, and then she wakes up at the fucking Rio. First thing in the morning. Which is not on the strip.

No. Okay. I will tell you my story being in, I was in Vegas with, I had just gotten hired by television without pity. And they were having, like, an off-site in Las Vegas. And this was my first time meeting. Almost all of the writers, you know, all of these people who would eventually become like my, you know, my good friends. And so we're sort of like bouncing around Vegas and we're the one evening we're like, what should we do?

We heard there's some sort of, you know, night thing happens. Something's happening at the Rio that we wanted to go. And we're just like, cool. And you look, and it's sort of like evening. And so you see all the like lit up casinos and whatever. And we look and it's like, oh, the Rio's right there. Like we can just walk to the Rio. have to get into the shuttle bus at the hotel or whatever. It's a nice night. It's beautiful. We'll go

and walk to the Rio. Well, Vegas lies to you. And so you can't go by what it looks like. You legitimately, we had to like walk across the highway to get to from where we were on the strip to the Rio. And when I say walk across a highway, I mean like run across the highway so that we would like And what I loved about that scene in Gloria Bell is I caught the glimpse of the hotel sort of like briefly. And I was like, wait a second. Was that the Rio? And then the next shot is her walking across the highway to get back to her hotel. And I'm like, yeah, that was the Rio.

Okay. Yeah. So, yeah, stay on the strip kids. It's not worth it. The Rio and the palm are the two that were like on the palms, rather, or on the other side. And we're just like, yeah, no, we don't need to. We've got plenty of places we can go on our side for the rest of the trip. So, and that's why we all ended up at the Weston.

Anyway, what were we saying? Yes, her night snogging with Hansy Sean Aston, who is so good at being like, oh, God, kind of a nightmare. And she's just like, you know what? Again, this is a movie about settling in a lot of ways and when to settle on a lot. I got to say, Sean Aston perfectly cast, because I don't think you even hear him speak. No, you don't. But, like, there's a, because you recognize him and it's a weird. thing that it's like Sean

Aston doing this. It adds to the like, what the fuck is she doing? Do you know who was originally supposed to play that character? Oh my God. Corey Feldman. Oh my God. Right? Right. Yes. Exactly. Would have been a different

tone is what I will say. If it was Corey Feldman, it would have been a lot creepier. I would have felt a lot more frightened for Gloria. For her safety. Yeah, exactly. It of course recreates the spinning shot. so iconic from the first one. Yes, yes.

What I also love, though, going back to that final shot when she's dancing to Gloria is the acting in that scene is really phenomenal. And she sort of, you track the whole arc of the movie on her face from that, where she's sitting at the table and she doesn't want to dance. And the guy asks her to dance and she says no. And you get so sad where it's like even after this triumphant paintball, total eclipse of the heart moment, she still seems kind of broken

by the Arnold relationship, and she doesn't want to, she just, you know, she barely dragged herself to this wedding, and she's just sitting at the table, and she doesn't really want to do anything, and Rita Wilson's calling her over from across the room, and... Listen, when Rita Wilson beckons you to a dance floor, you gotta go. That's absolutely

it. That's absolutely the case, and she finally gets out there, and she's just sort of dancing by herself, and I mean, if you are the kind of a person. Reluctantly, she, like, at first it's like, okay, I'm here. But then she starts feeling it. And then she starts getting less and less self-conscious. And she does such a great job of, like, Gloria's not cool. Glory is not like this, like, you know, whatever, professionally trained dancer. She's got her own little weird moves and she's, you know, knocking on air. And she's,

you know, sort of like feeling herself up for a second. And she's like jutting her neck. And there's a whole lot of just like it's a, but she's clearly working herself back to a place where she can just enjoy dancing. She says it a few times earlier in the movie. She doesn't say she goes out to those bars because she likes meeting men, even though that is clearly like a, an objective, a practical objective on her part. But she really likes dancing. And she likes dancing and she doesn't mind dancing, you know. Well, the whole like gun conversation leads to like end of the world or end of life talk and she says I just want to go out dancing and you see that even when she's like all these scenes of her in the car and like singing along to these 80s songs and whatever

and we'll talk about Gloria Bell is secretly a jukebox musical one million percent adult contemporary radio air supply Olivia Newton John uh Gloria Gaynor there's Paul McCartney there's these great great soundtrack but so she's there and she's finally is sort of recapturing that sense of her that allows her to just sort of dance on her own. And at the very second that she's fully got it back, the movie cuts to credits and is like, touchdown, essentially, right? Like, she's got it. Like, Glory is going to be okay.

And, oh, it's so perfect. I mean, as much as I talk about loving friendship cinema, movies about friendship, I love self-actualization cinema. I was going to say, this is what I was starting to say earlier, is if you are the kind of person who can resist a movie where, Julianne Moore self-actualizes on a dance floor to Laura Brannigan singing Gloria, I can't help you. You know what I mean?

Like, you are beyond my capabilities. Yeah, you are beyond my capabilities at that point. And I wish you well. But I don't know. This is, it's, what a wonderful movie. Well, we're spending so much time, like, justifiably so, because, like, we're both coming off of just rewatching this movie. So it's like, there is a real, like, high to.

the final 15 minutes of this movie. But, like, part of the other reason why I think we love it so much is, like, it's populated with so much, like, tidbits of, like, just juicy stuff or in nuance throughout the rest of the movie. Like, the biggest fans of this movie are, like, gays who obsess over minutia, like, us. Because it's, like, this is a movie where Gene Triplehorn vapes? I was going to say, is this you ramping up to talking about Gene Triplehorn vaping? Yes.

Yes, yes, okay. Rita Wilson talks about if you get a haircut, when you get plastic surgery done, no one notices your plastic surgery. It distracts, yes. I know I wrote that down, too. What a great moment that was. Yeah. I love that they just like take a, like a makeup pencil under Rita Wilson's eyes and we're supposed to be like, oh, she got her eyes done. Yeah, yeah.

Because Rita Wilson doesn't look like she's had plastic surgery. Well, and that scene is prefaced a little bit. bit earlier by that woman going up to Julian Moore, going up to Gloria at the bar, and being like, can I just ask you a question? Have you had any work done? And Gloria is so flattered by that. And she says she hasn't, but she's like, thank you. Which I think is such a nice moment. I want to know what this laughing class is. Oh, I know. It's such a brief little moment. And yet. It's like she probably got it on a Groupon, right? Yes. She seems like, well, yeah, she seems like that kind of person who is like, if she hears about a thing, she'll try it. You know what I

mean? Like, she's like, why not at this point? You know what I mean? Like, what does she have to lose? And that's such a great attitude. And that's why it's so sad when you see her after Arnold has left her in Vegas and Holland Taylor has to come to sort of retrieve her. And she just looks broken. And that's what's so sad about her being broken is she was a woman who things were not, you know, her circumstances were not. great. She's living in a shitty apartment. Her kids, her relationship with her kids could be better. Her job situation is, you know, not great. Her financial security is not great. Her romantic prospects are not great at the beginning of the movie. And yet she still... No one needs her.

She was, and yet she was still trying things and she was still active and she still had a good attitude. And then after the Vegas thing, it's like, oh, God, she's broken. And it's so sad to watch her feel so despondent, and that's also why that ending scene is such a triumph. It's a really, really well-done movie. Props to Sebastian Lelio, I will say, I do feel like, and I love the original Gloria,

and I love Paulina Garcia's performance, and we'll talk about that in a second. Paulina Garcia fucking rules. I think Gloria Bell sharpens what was good about Gloria. I think it's... I think it's a more precise movie.

Sebastian Lelio is kind of on a tear doing these you know pretty different movies so it's like he remakes the movie and it's like you can tell he has more movies under his belt whereas like other directors who've done it like

Hanukkah for funny games it doesn't I love that he that Lelyo approaches this like a cover of a song that he already did or that's how he described it Because, like, other directors who've done it, I think that misses kind of an integral self-awareness to make a remake of someone's own movie work.

Whereas, like, otherwise, it just feels like, well, why are you doing this? But, like, there are differences to this movie that, I think, not only allow it to stand beside the original in terms of quality, but also have... its own point of view. This is bisexual lighting, the movie. That is true. It has its own real visual identity that the movie doesn't have, and that goes beyond, you know, the way that this movie is lit. It's incredibly shot by cinematographer Natasha Breyer. Like, even the dance floor scene is way tighter on Gloria, you know, so that we can see this kind of performance arc that Julianne Moore gives.

But, like, the camera holds so close on her that you really, the tone of the movie is different from the original and that it feels like Gloria Bell is constantly on the precipice of something, constantly on the verge of having, like, this self-actualization breakthrough of what she needs to be happy. in this rewatch I was like really just kind of taken with that tone yeah so probably because we overdid this movie when it came out and I saw it a bunch of times and I haven't seen it since yeah that was what struck me the movie comes about because Julian Moore and Sebastian Lelio meet in Paris in 2015 and it's essentially this sort of mutual admiration society she really loves his movies. She really loved the original Gloria, and he really loves her work, obviously. She's Julianne Moore. And so she was the one who says, I would really love to do an American version of Gloria, if you're interested in he was. And that was sort of, you know,

that was the spark that set it going. At this point, Julianne Moore had won the Oscar for 2014. So it had been, by the time we had seen this movie, it had been over three years since she'd won the Oscar. She hasn't, to date, been nominated since winning for Still Alice. This is Chris, our sixth Julianne Moore film that we have done. We have reached, somehow managed to time it out, so that our 200th episode was also our sixth Julianne Moore episode. We do love her. occasion for the now the entire headlining trio of the hours

is in the six timers club. That's true. That's true. The films that we've done for Julianne, we've done Hannibal, the shipping news, the prize winner of Defiance, Ohio, crazy stupid love, suburban

con, and now Gloria Bell. So Chris, as always, when we reach the sixth time with an actor or actress on this podcast, I give you a little quiz where the answers to all of these questions are one or more of those six films. So, let's not waste any time. We've still got a lot to go in this episode. Are you ready for the Julianne Moore Six-Timers quiz? I was born for this. Julianne Moore, my favorite actress. We start with some boilerplate questions. I do worry that I give you, that these are

so predictable that I give you the chance to study for them and, and whatever, that's fine, but we'll move through them pretty quickly. All right. Chris, which one of these six is the longest? Okay, so our six titles, prize winner, Superbicon, Gloria Bell, shipping news. Hannibal, Crazy, Stupid. The longest is Hannibal. The longest is Hannibal. 132 minutes. Hannibal. Which one is the shortest? Is it Gloria Bell? It's not Gloria Bell. Although Gloria Bell is pretty economical.

Suburicon's short, right? Yeah, but not the shortest. Wow. Okay. I don't think it's crazy, stupid love. That's a pretty bloated movie. So that's going to leave Prize Winner of Defiance, Ohio. It's not shipping news.

That's two hours long. Is it a Prize Winner of Defiance, Ohio? It is. 99 minutes. Prize winner of Defiance, Ohio. All right. Which one made the most money? domestically.

Hannibal. Hannibal, 165 million domestic. Which film made the least money? Prize winner Defiance, Ohio. $628,000 for the prize winner of Defiance, Ohio. So the correlation is that the longest movie was the most lucrative and the shortest movie made the least amount of money. I don't want to, don't want anybody to clean. That short movies are better people.

Which one was the best reviewed per Rotten Tomatoes? Gloria Bell. Gloria Bell, by a good margin, 91% Gloria Bell, which was the worst reviewed. Worst reviewed? Yeah. Suburbicon, it's got to be. Suburbicon, 28%. I might have knee-jerked with the shipping news there, but no.

Okay. Which is the only film of these six with a score by Hans Zimmer? Hannibal. Hannibal, which is the only film of these six with a score by Alexandra Displot? It's not Suburicon, is it? It is, in fact, Suburicon. Boy. Which two of these movies feature stars of the movie Superbad.

Gloria Bell for Michael Sarah. Michael Sarah, by the way, does not make sense as the son of Brad Garrett or Julianne Moore, but does make sense as the son of Julianne Moore and Brad Garrett. Wait, if that makes sense. It doesn't. What do you mean? I think he makes sense as their combined child, but not. But not as the child of either one of them individually?

Yes. Interesting. Okay. Okay. Okay. And then somebody else from Superbad, that's Crazy Stupid Love, Emma Stone. Very good. Yes.

Which two of these movies feature stars of the movie Drive? Ooh, Ryan Gosling in Crazy Stupid Love. Yep. And Oscar Isaac and Suburicon. Very good. Yes. Which of these movies opened during Aquarius season? So February.

Hannibal. Hannibal. Which of these movies opened during Leo season? August slash late July, crazy stupid love. Very good. Yes. Which was the only one of these movies to play the Venice Film Festival? Suburicon.

Indeed, correct. Which of these films tagline was, you'll never guess what you'll find inside? It'd be great if it was Hannibal Yeah, inside Rayliota's skull But I think it's Suburban It is not, in fact, suburbicom Oh It is it the shipping news?

It's the shipping news Isn't that a terrible tagline For the shipping news? What does that even mean, you weirdos? Which two of these movies were the only two on the list to be rated PG-13. Crazy Stupid Love. Correct.

And I guess the prize winner of Defiance, Ohio, but that has, like, PG-R. All the others were R, PG-13, Prize Winner of Defiance, Ohio, and Crazy Stupid Love. Yes. Guess there's a fucking prize winner of Defiance, Ohio, somewhere. Which two of these movies were nominated for Golden Satellite Awards? Gloria Bell and probably Prize Winner of Defiance, Ohio.

Indeed, Gloria Bell and Prize winner of Defiance, Ohio. And the final question of the Julianne Moore Quiz, which two of these movies were nominated for the MTV Movie Award for Best Kiss? Crazy Stupid Love and Hannibal. Yes, very good. Crazy Stupid Love and Hannibal. I hate that nomination for Hannibal so much. It's so creepy.

But well done, Chris. Julianne Moore quiz. Thank you. I don't actually go back and do research because you were like it gives Chris, you know, the opportunity to go into it. I actually don't. And especially for Julianne Moore, please. I didn't even have to crack my knuckles for this.

Maybe I'm projecting that if I were in your position, I would. All right. I love her so much. No, I understand. Like, you know, we've talked a lot about the, you know, 2000 era, what a time it was for actresses, and she was the one for me. Like, we've talked about the camps, especially, like, the message board, like, you know, Jets versus Shark, Anchorman, too, all of the warring.

The Julianne Moors versus the Kate Blanchets versus the Annette Bennings. Versus the Nicole Kidman's versus the, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody picked their side, and I picked mine. Very good. And I haven't left, though I did have to abandon ship on seeing all of her movies at a certain point. Next really broke me. You never saw the seventh son, did you? I never

did. That I would watch. She plays a witch. What am I going to do? Not watch that movie? I'm going to watch it eventually. I did my guest spot on the mixed reviews, I think around the time Gloria Bell opened on Julianne Moore, so go

listen to our friends on the mixed reviews when I talked about Julianne Moore. Yeah, we just had a very fun time on screen drafts with our friends, Gavin and Louis. And a good, a good, raucous time was had by all for five hours, five and a half hours. Listen, we don't have to talk about how long this episode is. We don't have to apologize for the length of this episode. That's true. If you listen to us on screen drafts, you're going to have a good time, but a long time. So I want to talk about the reception

to this movie and how it was affected by the existence of the 2013 Gloria. That movie was a, you know, is a movie out of South America. It played a lot of the festivals and it did very well. It opened in the States. It definitely played in the States. Paulina Garcia sort of famously and kind of, I believe, if my

recollection is correct, kind of unexpectedly won the Best Actress Award at the Berlin Film Festival or at the very least, like, going into the festival, the movie didn't really have a ton of expectation. And then it really impressed the folks at Berlin. She very much

deservedly wins best actress there. And so I think the love for that movie, there was a sense, in my mind, in the initial reviews of Gloria Bell, at least at Tiff, and when it played the festivals, there was a ceiling on how effusive, I think, people wanted to be out of a sense of reverence for both the original Gloria, but particularly for Paulina Garcia. Because, like, you're not going to offend Sebastian Lelio by liking the new. one better than the old one because he's doing them both. But I think there was a sense of

nobody wants to be like Julianne Moore blows Paulina Garcia out of the water, yada, yada, yada. And like, I don't think how great Gloria Bell is is any slight against Paulina Garcia at all. But I think there was a, like I said, a little bit of a reticence to out of a little bit of a loyalty

to Paulina Garcia. Right. And I, A, I don't know if you felt that way, but B, my suggestion to solving that would have been if we had just gotten her a nomination for Little Men in 2016 like she deserved for Best Supporting Actress, and then we wouldn't have to worry about feeling that at all. Say that, sir. That movie rules and she rules in it.

We love Iris Axe on this podcast. I don't know. How do you feel about that being my sense of what the initial reactions? Because I think after a while, when it ended up opening in 2019, I think the reviews were a little freer to be more a few. Yes, I agree I mean, I think yes, it kind of it kind of

metastasize around we don't want to slight Paulina Garcia people did more to slight Paulina Garcia for not voting for her for little men let's also say that but it's also that

we've been burned by how many English language language remakes of non-English language films, especially recent to when they came out. Like, there's five years or something between Gloria and Gloria Bell. Yeah, yes, right. We've been burned so many times, and I think, like, that lowered people's expectations for it, not just lowered their expectations, but lowered just interest. Well, it takes away a little bit of a goodwill, too.

I don't think there was ill will towards Gloria Bell, but I do feel. Like, again, it just felt like there was a ceiling on how effusive people were willing to be, because, you know, it's, the prospect of it didn't seem very exciting. The idea of- But that kind of milk-toastiness, especially premiering at a festival like Toronto, where it's like, you're competing with a lot of other world premieres for people's attention and people's interest, right? and it makes it very easy for it to be like, okay, it's an English language remake of something we already liked. You know, it contributes to that air of ho-humness on the ground and, you know, leading up to it too. So I do agree with you that, like, that's the atmosphere that the movie came into

because, like, we were probably the people most excited at that tip to see this movie. Well, even I, I remember thinking, going into that, I also had the thought of like, well, it's not like it can improve upon the original, because I loved the original so much. And so even I had that, you know, sense of like, you know, all right, how blown away am I really going to be? I already know what this is. And again, I was mostly going into it with that anxiety about how they were going to end it. But the other thing is, A24 releases this one in the spring. of 2019. So already, if you release it in March, you're giving, already sort of giving away the game that this is not your awards contender. And 824 had been doing great in, you know, in the awards conversation up until then. 2018, what was their big 2018 Oscar stuff? They had gotten at least the screenplay nomination for First Reform. They were not able to get nominations for, they were also able to get a screenplay nomination for eighth grade. And they I mean, they got those screenplay nominations also for movies that were released earlier in the year, too.

Yeah. So it showed that they can, like, still maintain enthusiasm for early year release movies. But I think it was also that in 2018, it felt like, okay, well, why aren't they, it would be a fast turnaround from picking it up at Toronto because they didn't produce this. They picked up for distribution out of the festival. Right. I remember there being a question of, this isn't a great Globe's comedy year. Why aren't they trying to push this for Globes Comedy this year? Yeah.

I mean, it's not a bad discussion. The thing that I think is interesting about 824 is you look at their 2019 output and which ones they pushed for awards. This was another one where they didn't have a great showing at the Oscars. But I think it's interesting in terms of what movies they were clearly pushing and their Priorities that year were pretty clearly the Farewell, Uncut Gems, and the Lighthouse. And it's weird that the Lighthouse is actually the one that gets the Oscar nomination. Because they don't believe Uncut Gems got anything, right? No.

But they were really pushing for a Sandler nomination for Uncut Gems. They were really pushing for multiple nominations for The Farewell. They get the Golden Globe Award for Aquafina. And then the Lighthouse ultimately gets the cinematography nomination. But in addition to all of those, there were sort of smaller pushes. It seemed like they were testing the waters, no pun intended, on Waves to see if Waves was going to be a movie that got the kind of, you know, the kind of reviews that would allow them to make a run for Best Picture. And ultimately, that was not the case. It was too divisive.

There was a weird. Waves had diminishing responses to when it came to like, After its festival, first festival premiere at Tell You Ride, and then Toronto, like, there was drop-off as it got close to opening. Yes. They were still at this point sort of feeling out how to promote Ariaster movies for awards with Midsomar coming right after Hereditary. Credit to A-24 for not sort of, for at least, like, they were doing, you know, awards. Promo Screenings for Hereditary. I know because I got invited to one. They were doing, you know, awards promo stuff for Midsomar, even though you look at that and you're just like, Oscar voters are not going to go for that. But good credit to A24 for keeping their foot on the gas on that anyway. They also had movies like The Souvenier and Last Black Man in San Francisco. And a lot of these things were stuff that ultimately felt like minor key Oscar push, but like they were pushing for things like Indy Spirit Awards. and whatever. And so Gloria Bell was prioritized below even that level of movies. And it just felt like

A-24 had a lot of movies on the same sort of mid-tier level that was really making very, very little room for something like Gloria Bell, which, I mean, flip a switch and get somebody at that company who was really behind Gloria Bell, and you could have seen somebody, you know, you could have seen them make a similar kind of push for that like they did for, you know, the souvenir or the lighthouse or something like that. It was a weird fit. 824 is a weird fit for this movie. What would have been, what, what's your, is this a focus movie?

I was going to say, I mean, baby. Yeah. Our beloved focus features. Yeah. This feels like a focus movie. Maybe that's why we loved it so much. Not to say that I don't love 824, but you're right. Like the vibe does feel a little bit different.

I mean, they probably thought, especially if they planned it for the spring, that they could get some money. I'm surprised, considering how wide of a release it was, that it didn't make more money. Yeah. Because I remember it, like, just kind of being released to a pretty, like, quiet spring. You know, like, there wasn't much competition. I'm even going to point the finger at our own community a little bit. Like, gay guys could have been more behind this movie, I'm going to say. we were some people were people we know were but not enough yeah as far as julian more promoting it wouldn't

have been this but i almost thought it might have been this when she went on watch what happens live and talked about can you ever forgive me oh well let's see maybe she was promoting this because i guess can you forever forgive me would have just had its Oscar run maybe yeah yeah i don't know anything else She wouldn't have been promoting Balcanto or after the wedding. Those were much later in 2019. Yeah, I don't know. It must have been.

I mean, I could also see them just sort of like, you know, maybe you just want Julian more on the show when she agreed. I don't know, but it's more likely that she was promoting this movie. So, yeah. Yeah. She gets the AARP M4G's best actress nomination. This actress lineup is, I mean,

It's kind of amazing. It's kind of amazing. Chef's Kiss. And it's kind of, like, it's weird that, like, AARP M4G's don't always cross over with the Oscars in terms of winners. But this one, it does. René Zell Weger does win the award for Judy. But the other nominees, besides Julianne Moore, in Gloria Bell, are pretty great. Alphrey Woodard for Clemency, we screamed that whole award season about somebody, for God's sake, nominate

Alphrey Woodard for Clemency. is she's so good. Speaking of movies we see at Tiff towards the end where we're like, we have nothing left. That was our very last movie that year, and we were tapped out. That's the last movie I've seen at Tiff.

I have not seen a movie at Tiff since then. That's true. I might have seen something after that, but I don't think I did. I don't think you did. Crazy. Yeah, we were toast. We were done.

Yeah. Helen Mirren for The Good Liar, a perfect, M for G's nomination. Nobody else was going to nominate her. She may be, like, maybe that's the only place that it would have made perfect sense. They do love Helen Mirren. And then a movie that I still haven't seen, speaking of Iris Axe, I still have not seen Frankie, but this is your best friend, Isabelle Uper, got nominated for Frankie.

I mean, this is a movie that I feel like, only I support this movie. I do really like Frankie. I will see it at some point. Talk about a movie that got muted reception at Cannes and really killed, or at Tiff, rather, and really killed, although also at Cannes, right? It did, I think the Cannes reception to that movie is what kind of killed that movie, because it was not received positively. I feel like, it was also just like very, like, nobody talked about it at all. Well, it's, yeah, Sony classics didn't do right by that movie. Yeah.

They kind of dumped it. I mean, it's a very low-key movie. It's the type of thing that, like, you know, not like Gloria Bell, but, like, in the way that, like, it's so low-key that you can kind of zero in on some of the nuances of it, also a movie with an incredible final shot. I do love that. I don't know. I feel like people are unfair to that movie and some of the criticisms they make.

Well, you'll be the first person I text after I watch it, so I'll let you know. Please do. All right. She also, Julianne Moore also got the Golden Satellite nomination for Best Actors in Comedy. You know a movie did not get very many precursors when we are forced to talk about the golden satellites within our... The Golden Satellites who famously have been busted for...

Like, no one ever cared about the Golden Satellites, but I remember when they were busted for, like, nominating a movie that they didn't see. Yeah. Well, in this case, Aquafina won Best Actress in a Comedy or Musical for The Farewell. Julianne was nominated alongside Anna DeArmus and Knives Out, and Constance Wu in Hustlers, which is one of the few, I think, outlets that singled out Constance Wu in Hustlers, even though she's very good, but all of the heat went to jail. We'll get into it.

Have you seen Half Time, Jennifer Lopez, Half Time, By the way? Not yet, no. A, get on that. And B, that is a movie that really, really is going to reignite how pissed off you are about Jennifer Lopez not getting nominated for Hustlers. Is it on the platform yet or have you watched a screener? No, I watched the screener, but they sent me the screener the day before it premiered. I hate saying the S word.

People are. It's a reality, Chris. People know that we get screeners. It's a reality, but there is nothing more fucking annoying than when you like, and like, We all know that people watch things on screeners. We know. We get it. It's fine.

But I don't need to see people tweeting things like, you know, my watermark on my screener of this movie, which I watched on a screener, is such a large watermark for this screener. Like, normally screeners have less watermark of, like, they'll say screener a million times, just so you know that they are watching it on a screener. I don't know. Listen, if... We know you watched it on a screener. Just talk about the movie.

If Twitter can't be a place where you go to complain about your job, then, like, where else? And, like, that's where everybody I know who has the same job that I do is. So that's where I'm going to go complain about my job. I use the Watermark thing as an example. But, like, people will just come out and tell you they watch something on a screener superfluously. It doesn't, like. I am people. I am.

It is me. Yes, I am that. But, like, if you're talking about halftime, you're going to say, half time is great. I had a wonderful time the J-Lo Oscar stuff that's in it is amazing blah blah blah blah blah blah All of that is true Why do you need to say

Just watch the screener of half time Which I blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Well I think talk about what you think about the movie Because I think I don't know They got people rushing to find out where they can watch it And if I say it's a screener they know it's not out yet And I will complain about the fact that they waited until Less than 24 hours before the movie opened

before they sent me the screener. So I was like, great, I have a whole review to write, and I will write it on the fly. But anyway, halftime is fantastic. It will make you furious about, it will first make you furious about the hustler snub. And then it will make you, if you're anything like me, move to tears watching her rehearse for on the floor at the halftime show. So both of those things happen in the span of one documentary. The hustler snub rage, the epitome of, I don't get ready, I stay ready. I live in that fury, baby. All right. It's not like, you're the second person to say this to me, by the way. It's not like I wasn't fired up about the snub. All I'm saying is it will galvanize you all the further. I am not here.

It wouldn't be the 200th episode. It wouldn't be a momentous occasion if we didn't argue about something. That's true. All right. Anything else? Speaking of 200th episode, we have one more little extravaganza to throw out here before this episode ends. But before we do that, is there anything else we want to say about Gloria Bell to sort of close out this? I'm going through my notes.

We really have kind of gone. My one note that I wrote at the very end is like, this is why you play 80s music at your wedding, children, is because maybe there's a middle-aged woman in attendance who is looking to self-actualize and will do it to the story. strains of Laura Branigan. And that is why you play the greatest tits of the 80s alongside, you know, whatever, you know, new music, pop stand bullshit you want to do. Oh my God, we haven't talked about the marionette scene, which is such a wonderful little, like, short film within this thing. I recently used the screen cap of her watching at the marionette as one of my reading your tweets. It's, it's, what a perfect shot. She just sort of gets down to eye level with This little marionette ostensibly does just sort of drop a dollar into the hat or whatever,

but it's like she's really seeing this creature, and it's just sort of, it's, it's akin to Francis McDormand looking at the deer in three billboards, except I think far more profound, where she's just like, I hear you, I hear you little skeleton marionette. What did you say? I would definitely agree that Gloria Bell looking at the marionette is way more profound than, Francis McDormand staring at that beer. But it's the same sort of artistic impulse where it's just sort of like

human person, non-human entity, finding, staring into each other's eyes and making a connection as far as I'm concerned. Or in this case, staring into the skull sockets of where eyes would be if it was not a skeleton. The other thing that I wrote down, and this was only from like

reading the credits, Tyson Ritter from All-American Rejects played the mentally disturbed neighbor upstairs, who I guess we don't really ever see, but we hear him yelling and whatever. Right. Good for you, Tyson Ritter. Like, good, good, uh, good gig there. We already mentioned it, but it bears repeating Gene Triplehorn vapes in this movie. We have, yeah.

Julianne Moore, um, if she's going to do one thing, she's going to give you iconic parking garage acting. Sure. Yeah. Um, between this and safe. Like, no one, no one. No one else is bringing it to the parking garage the way that she does. It's true. What does she say to him, grow a pair? Something. Yeah. That's funny.

The German title for this movie translates to Gloria, colon, life doesn't wait. Really? Yes. That's fantastic. That's not a bad title. Gloria Bell, Money Never Sleeps. What else? What other subtitles?

Gloria Bell Retribution I don't know Yeah Retribution actually would work So Had that Like I mentioned earlier

He was on a real tear It's like This Disobedience, A Fantastic Woman Yes All kind of Disobedience and a fantastic woman

Played at the same Tiff And then the very next year Was Gloria Bell That's pretty good Yes It's a It's like kind of this stretch And then it's like

You can't get away from the guy, and then he's gone. And now he's coming back this year with the wonder. I hope we make more to the wonder to the wall jokes. Obviously, we will. The fact that he had two movies, Fantastic Woman and Disobedience, two movies at the same 2017 TIF that I saw, call me by your name for the first time, did mean, unfortunately, that I made a tweet that said Lelio, Lelio, Lelio, as I walk into my second of two Sebastian Lelio movies. Um, yeah, that's why. Disobedience, definitely. We could talk about disobedience in the future. Yeah. Great movie. I mean, I think that movie kind of hits a ceiling, uh, quality-wise, but like, it stays there. Yes. Um, Rachel McAdams is fantastic. Yes. Um, I mean, come on. They spit in each other's mouth. Disobedience is, I mean, we've talked before about like, you know, uh, iconic Rachel Weiss being, uh, lusted after by lesbians' moments, which, like,

disobedience is the actual apex of that. I know that this is not true, but it does feel spiritually true, that, like, Rachel Weiss wears, like, her full wool coat and scarf during that sex scene. Like, remember forever, the only stills of those movies that were available was, like, Rachel Weiss in a mountain of scarf. It's true, yes. And, like, that movie gives you so much racial vice scarf.

Listen. It's wonderful. It's, it's inspirational. Okay, so. The thing about his upcoming movie, though, because it's with Netflix, and you can already tell that it's going to be the, like, passing the, like, private life, it's probably already primed to be their fourth or fifth priority. It is Florence Pee, though.

But hopefully it's great. People do love Florence Pugh a lot, so. Florence Pugh in a psychological thriller directed by Sebastian Lelio, like, sign me up. I'm in. It's an Emma Donahue book, which has me a little curious. Emma Donahue, the writer of the novel Room, that turned into the Best Picture Nominy Room. So, yeah, great cast, Karen Hines, Tom Burke, Toby Jones, Brian F. O'Bern is in it. Yeah.

I could be wrong. movie could be incredible and it could be their top priority, but I... I get what you mean about priority and yet also... Well, Netflix makes it so evident what they're putting their effort behind. But I mean, lots of studios

do that. So I can't... I can only get so... It's annoying no matter who does it, as far as I'm concerned. I'm just excited for the movie. That's what I'm going to... I'm going to place everything else aside and just be excited for the movie. So... Chris, we have one more

a little goop and gag and stunt for the listeners. Although if you've listened to any of our milestone episodes before, we've done this before, but why don't you explain what we're going to do with our superlatives for our episodes 151 to 200? To cap every, like you said, milestone episodes, which also effectively becomes a look back at the past year of the podcast. We do the past year of the podcast

in basically a year-end superlative type of thing. We're going to give our best picture, we're going to give our acting nominees, any random awards we want to throw out otherwise. But the gag this year, as promised on a recent episode, we are doing, much like the Blockbuster Entertainment Awards, six supporting actress categories. We made this foolish promise at some point.

During the Ransom episode, I believe. And now we have to put our money where our mouth is. Also, like, what happens in the movie Ransom. So, yes, we're going to give you our nominees for Best Picture, Best Actor, Best Actress, Best Supporting Actor, and then six different supporting actress categories, all chosen from the films that we have covered from episode 151, which was, I believe, Lucy in the Sky, if I am not mistaken. Lucy in the Sky, which was June of last year. So yes, everything from June of last year until now is eligible. Chris, do we want to start with the supporting actresses or end with the supporting actresses? Let's end with the supporting actresses.

Let's do Best Picture first. Ooh, okay. Did you do a top 10 or a top 5? I have a top. Do you want me to cut it to 5? Nope, I've got a top 10. Okay, let's do top 10. All right.

Start us off. Give us your top 10. My top 10 of the past year of this had Oscar buzz are as follows, in alphabetical order. Gloria Bell, Hustlers, The Life Aquatic with Steve Zisou, love and friendship, Marguerette, Never Let Me Go, Panic Room, the Pelican Brief, Susperia, and to Die For. Fantastic. Give me two seconds to put mine in alphabetical order.

Okay. Don't you ever just look at letters and think, you know, this would be easier if they were numbers. Did you get high before we did this? I did not. Take a little, I am not. Take a little microdose, take a little whatever those mushrooms that Danny Roberts was doing on Real World Homecoming. While we wait, I will perform a marionette performance of what's the Olivia Newton-John's song in this movie

that I really loved. A little more love. A little more love. I do also love... Air Supply was such a perfectly chosen song for that. That is definitely a song you unself-consciously sing in your car. If not all out of love, which is the song that she does, then at least making love out of nothing at all, which is a

perfect singing it in the car song. Okay, I have it alphabetized. All right. We can cut this out. Okay. How dare you cut out my musings on car singing. How dare? All right. It's a nice little post-credit scene maybe.

My top ten, in alphabetical order, the motion picture, birth, the counselor, Gloria Bell, holy smoke, the house of mirth, hustlers,

Marguerette, Margot at the wedding, and a most violent year. So our overlaps, only Gloria Bell and Hustlers and Marguerette. I mean, that's the vibe. That's pretty cool. That's a good vibe. I like that. I like, I like a variety. Okay. You can lead us off with your choices for Best Supporting Actor. Best Supporting Actor. Okay. Hold on one second. Had to move the little Skype icon. My best supporting actor Ballot. Tom Bennett for love and friendship.

Chris Cooper, October Sky. Willem Defoe, the Life Aquatic with Steve Sisu. David Strathairn, the River Wild, and Eli Wallach in the holiday. You pulled the trigger on Eli Wallach in the holiday. Amazing. What a wonderful man. I mean, if you were Kate Winslet,

you would probably fall in love with them. them too. I would. Okay. All right. My picks are as follows. Tom Bennett in Love and Friendship. Willem DeFoe in the Life Aquatic with Steve Z. Sue. Andrew Garfield in Never Let Me Go.

John Turturro and Gloria Bell and Forrest Whitaker in Panic Room. Fantastic. We'll get into the Forrest Whitaker. I cut out Kevin Bacon in the River Wild at the end, but I was also thinking of Stratharne, but I was like Chris is going to do Stratharine, so I don't know. I, listen, I almost put Dwight Yolkham from Panic Room, but I was like, the Garys will not let me live down.

So we, we overlapped there on Tom Bennett and Willem Defoe. I almost let you have Willem DeFoe all to yourself, but he's quite funny in the Life Aquatic. And I think you, you in our discussion sort of sold him to me even more. Who's your winner? Of those, I mean, it's got to be time. Benet in love and friendship. He's just perfect. He's just so perfect in that.

He is indeed perfect, and I'm glad you picked him because I was a little torn, but I'm going with Willem Defoe. Yeah, Defoe's pretty great. I love that those are our top ones, too, the ones we had in common. Although I almost... Wynn could have gone to Andrew Garfield. He's on the cusp of being a lead, but, like, Carrie Mulligan's kind of the only real lead.

She's the... I agree. Garfield's so good in that one scene. The yelling in the outside the car scene. He's so good. All right. Okay. Let's do Best Actor.

All right. I will lead off with Best Actor. Not a deep bench. No. I had five. I had a clean five for this one. I had Hugh Grant in Notting Hill, Oscar Isaac in a Most Violent Year,

Bill Murray in the Life Aquatic with Steve Z. Sue, Al Pacino in Danny Collins, and Denzel Washington in the Pelican Brief. All right Not the same Overland though The bench Everything you mentioned would have been on my bench

I have been on my bench I have Leonardo DiCaprio Shutter Island Sure sure Jake Gyllenhaal Moonlight Mile Good pick Oscar Isaac

A Most Violent Year Al Pacino In Daniel Collins and Forrest Whitaker in Panic Room. Oh, you have Whitaker as a lead. That's defensible. I'll give you that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I do think he's a lead of the movie. All right. Would not be a year-end superlative for us, if not for a disagreement on lead versus support categorization. Who is your winner? I do have to say I am tempted to do the thing, but my winner is Oscar Isaac. I think I'm going to do the thing. Do the thing, do it.

El Pacino, Danny Collins is my winner. There was no single movie that surprised me more this year on this podcast than Danny Collins. I will watch Danny Collins again. I will too at some point. Yes, I absolutely will. I will maybe show it to friends. Danny Collins and Tiff. Oh, like anybody, if you are listening to this and you are going to be attending TIF and you are our friend, we're not going to throw this out to like strangers.

But like if you know us and you are going to Tiff, reach out. do a group viewing of Danny Collins. It'll be fun. I do think if we do live shows ever, the movie might have Danny Collins. I mean, hey, baby doll, sing-along? How can we resist, truly? Right. Exactly. Oh, he's so fun in that movie. I love him so much. Okay. All right. Why don't you lead us off with Best Actress? I'm glad I'm leading this off because I forget if we've had this discussion in previous years, but I'm going off of Oscar rules. in that I cannot pick...

Same actress in multiple roles. I agree. You have to pick one Nicole Kidman. I know there are many. There are three, I think. Yeah. If Chris Files is going to have something, Chris Files going to have a plan.

I have a plan. All right, third person. Go off. My best actress ballot. Yes. Gillian Anderson, the House of Merth. Kate Beckinsale, love and friendship. purely because someone had to do it, and here I am, years later, I'll do it.

Nicole Kidman, in birth, Anna Pacquin, Marguerette, and Kate Winslet, Holy Smoke. We overlap four of five, sort of. We don't have the same Kidman, but actresses, we have four of the five same actresses. It hurt me to not have Jillian Anderson on Mon. because I think she's phenomenal in House of Mirth. Also, very close cuts for Julianne Moore and Gloria Bell and Emma Stone in Battle of the Sexes. My five were Kate Beckinsale, love and friendship. I had Nicole Kidman for it to die for.

Anna Pacquine in Marguerette. Kate Winslet and Holy Smoke. And because I am me and I could not resist, Merrill Streep in the River Wild. She is going to turn that raft around. She is going to get us down the river, and she's going to do it with a cackling smile on her face. So, yes. Also very close for me.

I think probably because, again, no one else did it. So here I wanted to be to do it for her. Sad for... Sue and Hustlers. Oh, very good. You and the Golden Satellites. My sixth place. Nicole Kidman in Margo at the wedding was the third possible.

Nicole Kidman. Truly, we went heavy on the A-plus Nicole performances this year. If we had a third host, we could have all agreed we would vote for a different one. That's true. I knew you were going to go with Berth with an outside shot at Marguerette, so I figured I had to die for all to myself. I almost pulled it for Margot just to be like, you know, birth has so many people saying it's Nicole Kidman's best performance. And this rewatch of Margo, like, really, you know, kind of creeped it up there for me. But I just decided to go with birth. Another, I'll put this out there as a two-fer.

Yes. They both almost made my list was best actress, best actor, Maggie Gillenhall and James Spader for secretary. Sure, sure. Yeah, two very good performances. All right. So we have six supporting actress categories for your nerves. Do we want to announce them all, or do we want to wait until we get to the

category. Let's wait till we get to them. I will propose, first of all, did you have a rule that you gave yourself? I can't remember whether we codified this or not, that no performance can be in more than one category. I didn't do that. Okay, you have some overlap. It proved to be too difficult, and, like, I could have had a supporting actress lineup itself of, like, ten performances and several that got cut that I really did not want to cut and I just did. I self-imposed this rule just so I could have a bigger spread of nominees. I mean, I could have, I should have, but like, it poses some difficulties in the categories we've had, which our listeners will receive shortly.

I'm going to ask you to trust me in the order that we're going to read these in, that that I'll choose. I presume you also have a plan, and there is a big finish coming. Yes. So, yeah, let's do it. All right. Then I'm going to start with just regular-de-degular best-supporting actress. Best supporting actress, period.

Period. Yes. Who do you have? Okay. My best supporting actress ballot, keeping in mind, this was very painful for me. Uh-huh. Don't get mad. at things that are not there.

Yep. I matter about other things than... Okay. Anyway. My best supporting actress period ballot. Jeannie Berlin, Marguerette. Sure. Jessica Chastain, a most violent year.

Yes. Ileana Douglas to die for. Yes. Anne Hache in birth. Yes. And Jennifer Lopez in Hustlers. Yes. Okay.

I'm going to throw out the caveat that, again, if somebody is not on this ballot, I have other ballots. I also will say that Anne Hache was a painful sixth place for me. I really, really, really wanted to include her, and I couldn't. My painful sixth place is included elsewhere. Okay. And is unimpeachably included elsewhere. But tell me yours and then we can talk about our other placements. Hong Chow in downsizing. Ileana Douglas in to die for. I love that we both have her. Jennifer Jason Lee in Margo at the wedding, Laura Linney in the House of Mirth,

and Jennifer Lopez in Hustlers. My winner is Jennifer Lopez and Hustlers. Jennifer Lopez is also my winner. My sixth place was Kiki Palmer in Hustlers. Very good. She's great. And, like,

tie for seventh. Yeah, I know where you have Kiki Palmer. All right, we'll get there. We'll get there. All right. Jay Smith, Cameron, and Marguerette, Jennifer, Jason Lee, and Margo at the wedding. Also, interesting, we have different House of Mirth picks because Eleanor Braun was on, was close to making mine. Also great. I mean, I'm not going to not pick Laurelini, but I get you. I get you.

Right, right, right, right. Our second supporting actress category is best supporting actress in a cameo performance. Who do you have? Oh, no, I'll go first because you went first last time. All right. Now, we are defining, we were left to our own devices to define cameo. I defined it as one scene or fewer, so we'll see how it goes. By fewer, I mean, like, you know, whatever, like you're passing through, whatever, like, no more than one scene.

I have Patricia Clarkson in Shutter Island, Laura Dern in downsizing, Nisi Nash in downsizing, Gene Triplehorn in Gloria Bell, and Eliza Coleman. a.k.a. female pursuer with gun from the Pelican brief. A performance of uncommon physical prowess. What are your cameos? Best supporting actress in a cameo.

Cardi B. Hustlers. Very good. Robin Bartlett shut her eye. Oh, very good. Yeah. Natalie Cole in DeLovely Listen, her version of that song is the best. Listen, you do you. I love this.

I love that pick. Allison Janie, Marguerette. And Nisi Nash and Downsizing. All right. So we overlap on Nisi Nash and downsizing. Very good. I also felt that I pulled the trigger on Robin Bartlett and Shutter Island because there's always inevitably when we, we record an episode, the second that I stopped my recording, I'm like, shit, I didn't talk

about this. And Robin Bartlett's one scene in Shutter Island is so good. I got to see Robin Bartlett play Mother Pit. Mother Pit and also, and the various attending other roles that Mother Pit plays in Angels in America off Broadway several years ago. And she was fantastic. I loved her. I believe it.

All right. Who's your winner? My winner of the cameos, I mean, it's the heaviest role, so it feels a little unfair, but like Patricia Clarkson and Shutter Island, which is just on the edge of being too big of a role, but it really is just the one scene, so I'm counting it. My winner's Allison Janie. Well, there's a reason why I have not picked Allison Janie or Jane. I am positive. All right. Best Supporting Actress, Hair and Makeup.

Best Supporting Actress Hair and Makeup? You're going to lead this one off. All right. So wait, to describe, this is the actress who performed the best via notable hair and makeup choices. Yes. Correct. Jillian Anderson, The Mighty. Jessica Chastain, a most violent year.

Funula Flanagan, Divine Secrets of the Yaya Sister. hood, Angelica Houston, the Life Aquatic with Steve Sissu, and Sarah Silverman, Battle of the Sexes. Angelica Houston for the Life Aquatic with Steve Zsu also almost made my cameo list. She's in several scenes. She is. That's why I ultimately cut her off. But she's such a small, like, minor presence in that. Like, it's kind of too bad.

I almost picked, well, we'll say your ballot and then say what we almost say. Okay. I will say we overlap on two, which I, I adore, because I was like, I don't know where Chris is going to go with this. And I was, all right. Anyway, I also had Jillian Anderson in The Mighty. Phenomenal. Yeah.

Phenomenal hair and makeup work. Just speaking volume. The best neck brace acting you have ever seen. That's true. We're including hair, makeup, and also accessories. So, yes, exactly. Neck brace works. Cameron Diaz and the counselor, again, hair and makeup to make her look like a cheetah from Barbados.

Um, I also had Sarah Silverman in Battle of the Sexes. I love that you had her. Like a plus plus. So we overlap on three. Wait. Oh, you had Cameron Diaz? No. We overlap.

Oh, no, wait. You didn't say one. Yeah. Gillian Anderson, Sarah Silverman are two overlaps. Oh, okay. Uh, I also had Sharon Stone in the Mighty, another wig, uh, wig forward performance from Sharon. And I had Tilda Swinton in Speria for, lots of hair and makeup choices

across a broad spectrum of character choices. I was a little I was a little torn as to whether or not Tilda is supporting in that movie. So Tilda did not make my list. I think Dakota's your lead

in that movie and everything else falls from there. But there's so much of Tilda. There is. The Lutzberstor. I almost was a dick and put Lutz Eberstor. Supporting actor. That's my best supporting actor. Yeah, I almost did too.

All right. I almost, I almost picked Cameron Diaz, though. And I almost picked Mia Gauth. Yeah. Mia Goth was a runner-up in my regular, DeGular Supporting Actress. I thought she was great. Okay.

Best Supporting Actress's Character's Name. So this is just the name of the character played by the supporting actress in the movie. And we used our own rubric as to what made, What constituted excellence in this field? I go first, I guess, in this one. I have Thinola Flanagan as teensy in Divine Secrets of the Yaya Sisterhood. Cherry Jones as buggy in Divine Secrets of the Yaya Sisterhood.

Shirley McLean as Catherine Richelieu in Rumor Has It. I had no idea that was her last name until I looked it up, and I am delighted. Chloe Grace Moretz as Patricia Hingle. in Susperia, just an odd name for that character. I'll never get over it, Patricia Hingle. Also sounds plausibly like the name of somebody who tried to kill President Ford back in the 1970s, which feels almost oddly appropriate to the film's theme. And finally, Susan Sarandon as Jojo Floss in Moonlight Mile,

an A-plus screenwriting choice as far as I'm concerned. Okay, so I didn't write the actresses down, except for one, You, the character name, you have to read it as the full screen credit. I will absolutely be screenshoting it and tweeting it at some point. Is it an and? No. Okay. Divine Secrets of the Yaya Sisterhood.

Tiency. Divine Secrets of the Yaya Sisterhood. Nisi. Sure. Divine secrets of the Yaya sisterhood. Buggy. Yes. Love and friendship.

Catherine DeCorsi Vernon. That's a great one. Catherine DeCorsi-Bernand is a phenomenal name. Yeah. And from Hustlers, Mercedes Rule as Mother. Mother, that's such a good one. God damn it, that's such a good one. I mean, I know that's right.

Mercedes Rule is Mother. Yeah, yeah, that's perfect. Ah, there's always one that you choose, and I'm like, I wish I had chose it. Nisi, by the way, in Divine Series of the Yaya Sisterhood is, I believe, Shirley Knight. So, um, cool, just to throw that out there. Okay. My winner is Mercedes Rule is Mother. I mean, sure.

How can you, how can you beat that? Mine is Susan Sarandon as Jojo Floss. I'm so, I'm so enamored with that name. What an odd, what an odd choice for that movie specifically. Um, I don't know. I love it. I adore it. Okay.

Next category is, best supporting actress all from a single movie. So we had to pick five performances. A.k.A. Best Supporting Actress Ensemble. Just the supporting actress on song. Yes, except it's not all the supporting actresses in the movie. It is a set of five. It is, we are choosing five that you have not mentioned.

Distinct performances from a single movie. I have done this all from performances they have not mentioned in anywhere else. So you are up first in this one, Chris. All right. Best Supporting Actress Ensemble slash Best Supporting Actresses in one movie. The movie Battle of the Sexes, Gloria Bill, the House of Mirth, Hustlers, and Susperia. Okay, we did this very, very differently. When we talked this out, I thought we were on the same page and we are not.

So you chose five separate movies that had... Oh, you have to do one movie? Oh, well, then I have this. I have five women from one movie in one category. Fabulous. Okay. So my nominees in supporting actress from a single movie are Hina Abdullah in Marguerite, Jeannie Berlin in Marguerette, Rosemary DeWitt in Marguerette,

Alice and Janie in Marguerette, and J. Smith Cameron in Marguerette. Beautiful. All right. Then I will do Kiki Palmer in Hustlers, Cardi B in Hustlers Madeline Brewer in Hustlers How many is that? That's three.

That's three. Okay. Is that three? Was that four? No, those three. Wai Ching-ho in Hustlers, who almost got my cameo vote. And Jennifer Lopez in Hustlers.

That's a good five. And again, there were many more. You could have also done Mercedes Rule. you could have also done, I can never remember Riverdale Girls' name. Lily. Lily Reinhardt, thank you. No slight to her when I said Riverdale Girl. You could do, like, multiple lineups of five people, and not overlap.

Throw Lizzo in there. Throw, I don't know. There's a lot of people he could throw in there. All right. Very, very good. I approve of both of these hours. And finally, our final supporting actress category is best line reading by a supporting actress in a film

from we've covered in the last year I had many contenders I had to leave off a couple that I was pained to leave off but I am very confident in the five that I have chosen. You were maybe in spreading the love

ending on this one really looks like I'm not spreading the love. Okay. Because my lineup will have performances we've already talked about. Except for one. I held some in reserve. All of the women here,

I did not choose in other categories, and in some ways it hurts me too. But here we are. All right. I lead off this one, I think. I lead off this one. All right. Sure.

My nominees are Lauren Bacall in Birth for the line I never liked Sean. I never liked Sean. Ellen Burstyn in Lucy. in the sky for the line all that astronaut dick has made you soft I think all this astronaut dick has

made you soft Jessica Chastain in a most violent year for the line this was very disrespectful Kira Knightley and never let me go for the line we are modeled on trash we are modeled on trash

and Kiki Palmer in Hustlers for the line we love you Gary Can I say the only ones we don't overlap on, and we overlap on three? Amazing. We're almost on my list, too. I am wondering if your other two are my two runners up, I'm going to fucking lose it. But okay, let's hear it. Okay.

I do think one of them could be a runner up for you. Okay. I ordered these in movie title, not performer. Okay. So, from birth, Lauren Bacall, I never liked Sean. From Hustlers, Kiki Palmer, we love you, Gary. From Marguerette, Jeannie Berlin, This Is Not an Opera. Amazing.

Because this is not an opera. What? I said, this is not an opera. From A Most Violent Year, Jessica Chastain, this was very disrespectful. And from To Die for, Ileana Douglas, cold. Cold. Cold. Cold.

COLD. Cold. Yeah. Oh, I love that. Oh, that's very, like, esoteric. I love that. You managed to resist the pull of all that astronaut dick has made you soft. I cannot believe it. I mean, it was close. It was close. I thought I wouldn't get the respect for that choice. I would have given you endless respect. My two runners-up that were most, that most almost made it. were Jenna Malone and stepmom and it must be said and I almost put that too Lizzo in Hustlers, obviously

Usher bitch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. What were your runners up? What were your What was your closest? My runners up were the astronaut dick and we are modeled on trash. Yeah. See? The savoring of syllables that Kira Knightley does. We are modeled on trash.

So good. So fucking good. We are muddled on trash. All right. A great year. A great year in this had Oscar buzz. I'm glad we commemorated. Do you have any bonus superlatives you would like to throw out? Do you? I definitely do.

Oh, my God. All right, let's hear it. Obviously, best original song, Hey, Baby Doll. Of course. Best cinematography are one tie, Bradford Young, a most violent year, and Harris Savitas for birth. Nice. Very good. Best LGBTIQIA plus cinematography Natasha Breyer for Gloria Bell

Very good Best original score Wait, are you saying that the cinematography was LGBTQIA plus because it was bisexual lighting? I mean, it's not just The cinematography was in fact Okay, all right, okay It is LGBTQIA plus

It is the full spectrum It is the full spectrum, yes. Yeah Um, other superlatives. The Hilton Honors Award for Best SponConn Cinema, Danny Collins. Perfect. God, Danny Collins is cleaning up. I love it. The Secretariat Prize for a movie I forgot we did an episode about.

Uh-huh. The Mule. Nice. Keeping it in the horse family. I like it. I like it. Okay. Exactly. Best individual costume, Ramona's for Coat and Hustlers.

Yep. Iconic. Worst individual costume. Let's, Ebersdorf the whole deal Susperia Best Worst costume

Euro Trash Javier Bright Dam and the counselor Oh perfect yep Fantastic I said I would take care of this I did The Cannes 75th anniversary prize For this had October

Buzz prize For Nicole Kidman Just Nicole Kidman Sure For her various performances That she has done on our show Yep The really good Aeronaut

Prize for being good goes to the dinosaur in the good dinosaur. Wow, Aeronauts really can't buy a victory. That's too bad, yeah. The Mother Superiorium Prize for doing that goes to

Ramona's criminal routine. She did that. She did that. The Jeannie Berlin as Emily Prize for saying that. She said that Goes to Julia Roberts for

I'm just a girl standing in front of a boy asking him to love her Perfect, perfect, yep Those are my superlatives That's fantastic Chris There's no way I'm glad I didn't even try with other superlatives Because you nailed that

Perfect, well encapsulated For the last year of this at Oscar Buzz And we're going to go right into our IMDB game To close out the episode because we've been here for a while. Chris, for the 200th time, why don't you explain to our listeners what the IMDB game is? Y'all, every episode we end with the IMDB game where we challenge each other to guess the top four titles for an actor or actress that IMDB says they are most known for. If any of those titles are television, voice only performances, or non-acting credits, we'll mention that up front. After two wrong guesses, we get the remaining titles release years as a clue.

If that's not enough, it just becomes a free-for-all of. Love hints. Joe, after we are done, I have a proposal for you. Yeah. I have also stacked my own deck in the fully evil choice that I am giving you so that you can be persuaded to agree with me. Yeah, I think I know where you're going anyway, but I feel like I've been hearing a lot from, this bitch has got something to say, Chris File, what's good, about all of this,

apparently, but I guess we'll get into it after the IMDB game. All right, so Chris, with you having to make some sort of political statement with your IMDB, would you like to go first or last? I would like to go last. All right. I will give first. I chose a actress from the very first this had Oscar Buzz movie, a little movie called Mona Lisa Smile, and an actress whose name is.

is Maggie Gyllenhaal. Maggie G. So are they all acting credits? Yes. Okay. Lost Daughter Hive rise up. Yes. The Dark Night.

The Dark Night is one of them. I actually think Mona Lisa's smile. Incorrect, strike one. Okay. I shouldn't have guessed that. Um, okay, what other, like, what, what would she have gotten awards and such? Maybe secretary, secretary? Secretary, correct.

Okay, I wouldn't have initially guessed that, but like, when I take myself down the logic trail of how I think this algorithm works, it's there. Which leads me to Sherry, baby. Incorrect, not Sherry Baby, even though she was Golden Globe nominated. All right, your two missing ones are from the years, 2006 and 2009. It's 2009 her acting Oscar nomination? Crazy Heart? Crazy Heart, correct. That heart, it's so crazy.

Do you know her character's name in that is Gene Craddock? Sure. And did you say, 06? I sure did. Is it World Trade Center? It's not World Trade Center. Okay, then it's Stranger Than Fiction. It is, this had Oscar Buzz, former film, Stranger Than Fiction.

Correct. All right. Well done. All right, what do you have? So we're running out of people to do IMDBs for, well, not running out of people. We're not running out of people. It's very hard to come across people we haven't. done. It takes a while to find a name. So when my logic was, I went into the many famous

gloria's. And for you, Joe Reed, I'm going to need you to get on your feet, get up to make it happen. I've chosen Gloria as Stefan. Wow. Three of them are soundtrack critics. Sure. And one of them as an acting credit? Yes. Is it music of the heart? It is music of the heart. Okay. Leaving you, her soundtrack credits, you have to guess the movies that she has had songs in.

All right. Three Men and a Baby? Incorrect. Damn it. That was my best guess. Gloria Estefan. Is it the new father of the bride? No.

Okay. Your years are 1994, 1994, 1995, and 2006. 94, 95, what ones would have, oh, birdcage is 96? I'm trying to think of, like, Miami cinema. 94, 95. And then what's the other year? 94, one of the two headliners of this movie was on your best supporting actress, makeup, and hair styling ballot. one of the 94-95s? 94. Best supporting actress makeup and hairstyling. Now I got to remember which ones that I did for that.

Okay. 94-95. I had two from the Mighty. I had Battle of the Sexes, the counselor, and Susperia. So none of them from then. oh but it's from the same actress as one of these is that what you said yes she has she co-headlines the movie the mask no damn it is it cameron dyes though no is it Sharon Stone it is Sharon Stone it is Sharon Stone 94 95 I don't think I think all the music and casino was era

appropriate so I don't think it would have been casino um was it like Like, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, the specialist? The specialist. Yeah, that's all right. The Gloria Estefan song, Turn the Beat Around. Sure. Yes. All right.

What are my other years? 94 and, uh... 95 and 2006. Right. 95 and 06. Is the 06 the new Miami, the Miami Vice movie? Incorrect. It's a movie we talked about on our DaVinci Code episode.

Oh. Okay. So a summer 06 movie She is the writer of this song Which is performed by one of the people we've talked quite a bit about In our Best Supporting Actress Categories Oh gosh, okay Or I

She I mean maybe we didn't talk about her performance but, like, she looms large. Nicole Kidman? No. Looms large and supporting actress. Jennifer Lopez. Jennifer Lopez.

In 06, what was her 06 movie? It's not a Jennifer Lopez movie. Jennifer Lopez performs the song that features in the movie. I see. I see, I see. She performs a Gloria Estefan song. Oof. live action movie that is featured in a live action movie

that we talked about during our Da Vinci Code episode meaning it was released when in 06 summer yes summer movie not a movie that did well that summer but is an Oscar nominee I think really didn't do well yes nominated for one Oscar

which category Visual effects. In X-Men, the last stand? No. Oh, golly. Oh, six. Big old bomb. Big old bomb in 06.

A remake. Poseidon? Poseidon. Really? Featuring the song written by Gloria Estefan, let's get loud. I forgot that she wrote that. Does Fergie perform Let's Get Loud? I don't know.

I should watch Poseidon again. Let's Get Loud, by the way, looms so large in halftime. Like, I mean, as you know, if you watched either the J-Lo halftime show or her performance at the Joe Biden inaugural. If there's anything we're going to do, we're going to get loud. Yeah. All right. So 95? 95.

A movie that fully kind of tells you the concept, but just by the title, actually, who is third-billed in this movie? Jennifer Lopez. Really? In 95. So pre-oh, is it Money Train? It is Money Train, baby. Featuring the song Nuevo Dia. Sure.

Okay. All right. So here's the deal, Chris. I got Maggie Gyllenhaal in like half a second. And there was somebody else from Mona Lisa Smile I also could have done that we hadn't done before. Like, what I'm proposing is we clean some of the slate.

How far back? I think the first, we're at 200. I say we clear off the first 100 episodes worth of names. Wow. On the assumption that they've changed or that we've forgotten, who it is. Both. On the assumption that the,

They have changed, but also that it's just, I find it actually time consuming to find people that we haven't done. All right. And especially like as we get, if we have guests come on, it's only going, that it's only going to do this. Yes. I do not want to, I do not want to put in an imposition for our guests, of course. All right. Here's what I will say.

You are free to, um, follow. your new rule, I will try to have fresh and new ones because I am a self-disciplining Catholic and look to make things harder for myself than they need to be. Okay, let's meet in the middle maybe. What I'll say is if I pull up five names who are reasonable and are not Gloria Estefan songwriting credits, and I can't get one from pulling five people. Then I say we look in the first hundred episodes. You are free. Jeannie, you're free. You are free to choose

anybody from the first 100 episodes. All I'm saying is that, like, I'm still going to try to do it the hard way just because I, again, am a psychopath. So, but yes. All right. So we have wiped the slate clean from the first 100. And And we'll see what's changed and what's not. Because, again, I probably don't remember. I can't imagine that my memory goes back that far for that kind of stuff. So, yes. Fantastic.

Slate and clean. All right. Chris, it's a marathon, but we made it to the end. I was glad we were able to do this together and along with our best friend, Julianne Moore, who has an open invitation. Do you know, can I tell you now that we've actually gotten to this episode? What I really, really, really wanted to do that I couldn't do was pay for a Julianne Moore cameo to play in this episode. And she is not, to her credit, she is not available on cameo, which... How many Oscar winners are on cameo? I don't think very many, because I also looked for that to see if there was anybody.

Olivia Coleman's on cameo. Is she really? She is on cameo. Is she expensive? I'm sure. Yeah. I would have, I don't, I don't, I didn't make a determination as to how much I would have paid for a Julianne Moore cameo. I would have written it off on my taxes, but I, I, I probably, I don't like to think of how high I would have paid for a Julianne Moore cameo.

But I was deeply, I was like, this is the best idea I have ever had. I'm going to surprise Chris with a Julianne Moore cameo on our Gloria Bell 200th episode. I'm so glad you didn't because I would have been in tears. I was so bummed. I was so bummed that that wasn't possible. But if any of you out there have an inside track on Julian Moore and want to have a record a voicemail message for us and send it into us, we will buy you something nice. I don't know. We will show our appreciation in some way.

But anyway, I think in general, even without a. Julianne Moore Voice cameo that we had a very great 200th episode. So thank you all. I agree. What a great year. What a great year. We are showing no signs of slowing. So stick with us. My buddy. I love you. I can't wait to see you.

I know. We're Tiff is so close. Nobody else I would rather do this podcast with Chris, honestly. All right. That is our episode. If you dear listeners would like more this at Oscar Buzz, if you could somehow manage to cram more this at Oscar Buzz into your life after this episode, you can check out the Tumblr at this head oscarbuzz.tumlr.com. You should also follow our Twitter account at hand underscore Oscar underscore buzz.

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so put down that paintball gun and write something nice about us. That is all for this week and the first 200. We hope you'll be back next week for more buzz. They really got our number. Before before before we get too far into play a little bit of a game to kick things off before we even get into Gloria Bell a game. A game before the 60 second plot description, this is a moment. This is chaos. A momentous occasion. This is chaos magic, Wanda. Yeah.

No. Well, I wanted to, again, I wanted to set the table. I wanted to get us into the mood for the 200th. Okay, so as you know and as our loyal listeners, our loyal garries know, to end the episode, we sort of bookend our episodes with the sound drop from hot chocolate for everyone's a winner. And yet, quite often, for our end credits, I, in my... eternal wisdom slash madness. We'll throw in a sound clip from something else. Thirty-second fair use. Don't come after us, lawyers, sound clip. Parody laws, parody laws, parody laws.

Related to the episode in various degrees of closeness. Sometimes it's very obvious why I've chosen the song. Sometimes it's a little bit more elliptical. And when I'm going back into old episodes now, and from, you know, 200 episodes worth of distance, I listen back and I'm like, all right, now I've got to figure out why I chose that one. So what I'm going to do with this quiz, Chris, is I'm going to give you the title of a song, and you're going to tell me what episode that song, uh, outroed. And I fucking love this so much. If you can't get it from the song title, sometimes I'll withhold the name of the

person singing as an extra clue. If you can't get it from that, I will explain to you a little bit of what the connection was and then you can guess it from there. And hopefully this will go quickly because I've chosen a lot. A plug for the closing of our

episode for anybody who leaves the show too quickly. Yes, that's true. Stick with it to the end, kids. Stick with it to the end. There's Easter. There's post-credit scenes. I've chosen about 30, and there were well many more of that to choose from.

I'm trying to – there were – of the 200 episodes, like literally exactly 100 have had non-standard closing episodes, closing songs. So we're working at a 50% rate. All right. So, Chris, are you ready to play the end credits game? Yes. Okay. All right. Question number one.

Song is Rumpshaker. Vanity Fair. It's not Vanity Fair. Rexon Effects Rump Shaker. It was chosen out of a natural conversation that we had with our guest about a derrier bearing scene in the film. See, and I thought that that was Eileen Atkins's. but in Vanity Fair.

I think I used that as a drop within the episode as a callback to our use for it in this one. It is a movie about an older man and a younger woman. And it was the younger woman's rump in question. Booty. I recorded this episode. on location with our guest in Los Angeles. Oh, it's Shop Girl.

It's Shop Girl. Yes. Claire Dane's, the original rump shaker of this had Oscar Buzz, in Shop Girl. Okay. This one I think you'll probably get a lot more. The song is Criminal. Hustlers. Hustlers, yes. Very, very obvious Fiona Apple's criminal closed out our Hustlers episode.

All right, next one. The song is, Crash Into Me. By Dave Matthews. Ooh. When would we have talked about crash into me? I mean, obviously

it makes me think of Lady Bird and I think our only Sersha is on Chesel Beach which definitely is Bibi Zaharabanae ending the episode though.

Huh. This one, I will say, is not from its use within the movie, but in its thematic, the title is thematic to the events of the film. Oh, okay, so there, on a kind of massive scale. So there's a big, giant, kaboom, crashy, massive scale. It's not a car. Yeah. Bigger than a car, much bigger than a car.

Some might say all the cars are in- Oh, it's melancholia? Melancholia, yes. You crash into me. Melancholia. All right. Next song title is Only the Horses. Oh, the Scissor Sisters.

Secretariat's. No, but that's a very good guess. You're on the right track. this has a word in the title in common. All the Pretty Horses. All the Pretty Horses. Episode number 56, All the Pretty Horses. All right.

Next song, Love Train. People all of the world join hands. Start a Love Train. Yes, that very same one. Which ends Last Days of Disco, which is a Whit Stillman movie. So I think that's Love and Friendship. Indeed, exactly right. That was the path we took to love and friendship.

All right. Next song, Put Your Hands Where My Eyes Could See. Ah, Finding Forrester. Finding Forrester. Question. Was the outro of Put Your Hands Where My Eyes Can See, the original Bust-to-Bus version, or was it me as Sean Connery? It was the Buster Rhymes version. It was in reference to you during your demented Sean Connery impersonation.

All right. Next one, Nutbush City Limits. Ooh, when would we have done this? This one is fairly demented. Because I think we made a joke because it was like gin house, outhouse, something, something in the episode. It actually is a reference to a character's name in the film in question. Oh, nutbeam. It's the shipping news.

Shipping news. Reesifan's character named Beaufield Nutbeam, and we took that ball and ran with it, honey. All right. Next one. When You Believe. Oh, Exodus Gods and Kings. And Kings, exactly. Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston's, When You Believe, iconic Egyptian sonic accompaniment. All right. This next one...

I would argue that was our first experimental episode, unlike our EW, or a lot like our EW issues, because that episode is as much about when you believe as it is. That's true. Scotts and Kings. All right. Next one, I hope you struggle with because you deserve to. The song is, you sang to me. Oh, this, I am not going to struggle with this, because I tortured you for months with that song. By the way, thank you for reminding me to do that again soon when you least expect it. It's bounce.

No, it's not bounce. Oh, okay. It's around that time, though. Yeah, you brought it up again so many times that this is why I think you're going to struggle with this one, and you deserve to. It was a movie that I'm pretty sure had Mark Anthony in a supporting role. Oh, yes. all the while you were in front of me it's not going to help you

it's not going to help you um okay what movie was he in he's a oh is it it's not 54 no not 54 it's but it's directed by a villain in this movie a great director who we may have talked about very recently

Scorsese uh huh what was our other Scorsese we did a Scorsese It was, obviously, Shudder Island. We said it was the only other Scorsese besides Shudder Island that we could do going back to the 80s. Bringing out the dead. Bringing out the dead.

Bring out the dead. Would not have remembered that Mark Anthony was in that movie. I know, I'm saying. All right, next one. The song is six. Ooh, it was the other Boleyn sister. The other boleyn girl, yes, from the original. Original Broadway company recording of six, recent Tony Award winner.

All right. The song is Fernando. Ooh, the share Fernando, was it tea with Mussolini? It was not tea with Mussolini. You're right that it's the share version of Fernando, though. And it wasn't... It wasn't burlesque, because burlesque probably ended with burlesque. wasn't burlesque.

Who is she singing to? Andy Garcia. Oh, it's an Andy Garcia movie. It's not... Shit, what is the Andy Garcia movie we've done? Romantic drama. When a man loves a woman. When a man loves a woman.

Very good. Yes. All right. Next song, welcome to burlesque. Burlesque. It's not burlesque. Oh, my God. Wow. Okay.

So, we are the only podcast who doesn't end there when a man loves a woman with when a man loves a woman. It doesn't end their burlesque episode with burlesque. Right. Okay. Welcome to Burlesque. Was that tea with Mussolini? That was not tea with Mussolini. Oh, my God.

We used it because the title construction was the same. Welcome to Marwin. Welcome to Marwin. very good. Our next song is you haven't seen the last of me. Which is probably not burlesque or

tea with me, Salini. You construct these things with the intention of breaking my grip from reality insanity. Me? Okay, that's a Diane Warren song.

Did we talk about it because we talked about Diane Warren? We talked about Diane Warren in this episode. It's burlesque. It's burlesque. God. It's burlesque. All right.

Next one, not final one. We've got many more. Next one, believe. As in shares believe. Yes. Okay. So we're working through the Cher songbook. Um, tea with Mussolini, because that's the belief era.

Yes, this is Tea with Mussolini. All right. Four different share songs that we've used. You've got them all. All right. Next one. We'll make it a goal to use many more. Yes, exactly.

All right. Next song is Louis-Louis. Oh, we got to go. Was Louis-Louis used in the context of the movie? Yes. Okay. How do I know that, but I don't know what movie it was? Was it like October Sky?

No, it's Louis-Louie as performed by Demi Moore. It's Bobby. It's Bobby, yes. Our first listener's choice episode. Yes. All right. Next song, Rappers Delight. This was, we were talking about,

the, I'm guessing it was 1998. We were talking about wedding singer. Is it the Rapper's Delight by God? I'm going, and my brain is already fried because I'm forgetting this actress that I love's name. It is

Rapper's Delight as performed by Ellen Albertini Dow. Yes, it is. Yes, Ellen Albertini Dow. We did it for a movie that she is in. Is it 54? It is 54. Very good. Yeah. All right.

Next song is Piano Man. Play this song, you're the Piano Man. I... It's not like the lovely, is it? It's not. Piano Man, as performed by Billy Joel, was the outro to this episode because of an anecdote

that somebody told about Billy Joel in a goop newsletter. this was the anecdote so it's a gwyneth episode yes this was the anecdote where gwyneth paltrow said that she had her friend katie lee joel over and her husband william and that is why i put this in at the end of this episode oh that's so funny um it was also a part of our very first may miniseries Was this la divorce? No, our first main miniseries. Oh, okay. So it would have been 2003.

It's Sylvia then. Sylvia. Yes, Sylvia. Gwyneth Paltrow in Sylvia. My favorite anecdote that I've ever heard from a goop newsletter. All right. Next song is There Are No Cats in America. Oh.

When did I torture you with this? was it because there's like Russian dialects? It's not Russian dialects. It is another immigrant story about people who came to America and found that the streets were not in fact paved with cheese. Okay. Metaphorically. The accents, though... The accents, though, were a big part of our discussion.

A big part of our discussion, but just not from Russia. From perhaps a country, a good bit west of Russia. They're like... French? It's about... No. Keep going west. Keep going west.

German. Nope. A famous married couple in this movie. Far and away. Far and away. Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman. Tom Cruise punches a horse. It all happens and far and away.

All right. This next one, I don't know if you're going to remember this one. This next one is Fireflies by Owl City. Ooh. I hate that song. In this case, it's because Fireflies played a significant, pivotal, tragic role in the events that spurred the film. right they cause some oh god what is that this is a demented movie um perhaps a young child goes somebody dies yes young child goes to chase fireflies oh god what's wrong with us gets hit by a car

and a child dies yes which spurs the plot of a movie with mark ruffalo and oh uh reservation road Reservation Road. Yes. All right. This next one I blame on you, because you were the demented one who thought of this. It's Love You Like a Love Song by Selena Gomez. Oh. Um.

Oh, I know that I made some demented joke. Um. Hmm. I, uh, did I use it as a pun on the movie's title? You did. the lyric in the song goes I love you like a love song baby and you said

I love you like a love song Bobby Long yes exactly you psychopath all right next one send in the clowns constantly raising the circus tent for us all

Um, not a movie about clowns, I'm guessing. I don't think we've done many clowns. It's not a movie about clowns. It is Send in the Clowns as performed by Catherine Zeta Jones. Oh, by Catherine. So it's a Catherine movie. Uh-huh. When did we talk about Catherine?

It's not a good movie, but she's definitely in it. Opposite one of the biggest movie stars in the world. opposite. Directed by one of the biggest directors in history. Oh, my God. Why can't I know this? Oh, the terminal. The terminal, exactly.

I am enjoying my coffee this morning out of my Cassus Ada Jones coffee mug. All right, your next song is Teeth by Lady Gaga. Show me teeth. Another one that I'm pretty sure I made a pun on the title. It's not a pun on the title. It's about one of the many grotesqueries of this particular movie. Oh, somebody's got bad teeth in this movie.

Or, like, ostentatiously fake teeth. Perhaps to differentiate one character from another. Oh, it's Goya's Ghosts. It's Goya's Ghosts. It's Goya's Ghosts. All right. Next one, Breaking Dishes by Rihanna. Um

Set to Sissy SpaceX everything Yep From in the bench You did that, right? You made that? I think I made that I think you made that, yeah But what Sissy Spacic movie did I use it for?

Ooh, when did we talk about Sissy? We haven't done the old man in the gun yet, which I would like to. We should, we should at some point. A good movie. Yeah, I love Old Man in the Gun. David Lowry. Love that guy.

This is a movie where she plays the mom of the main character and the surrogate mom of the other main character. Oh, Home at the End of the World. Home at the End of the World. Also a very good movie. All right, next one. Grand Torino, as performed by Clint Eastwood. Grand Torino.

The Mule. The Mule, also, though, fun fact, I also used it at the end of the bucket list episode. So it's the only song I've used at the end of two separate episodes. All right. Next song is try

everything. We bought a zoo, but the zookeeper's wife. Zookeeper's wife. Try everything by Shakira in character as Gazelle from Zootopia. Yes. For the zookeeper's wife. Unimpeachable Bob. Next one. Next one,

The theme from Thundercats. It's not cats. It's not cats. It's... Cats, we ended with Celine singing memory. Yes, perfect. Perfect ending. Oh, I remember this...

This is within the past year, I think. Yeah. What is it? It was used because the movie featured at least two Jungle Cats, Jungle Cat characters in, as owned by one of the main characters, who also, as I said many times, was a half-human, half-cheetah hybrid. It is the counselor. It's the counselor. Cameron Diaz playing a human Cheetah.

Yes. All right. Good movie. Next one. We've only got a few more. It's reigning men by the weather girls. Hmm. Oh.

Was it, it's not 54. Well, that's the L&L Obertini Dow on, so it's not 54, but, like, were we talking about disco? No. What's the only movie we've done about a weather girl? Oh, to die for. To die for, exactly. And have we? We got news for you.

You better listen. Next one, penultimate question. Rupal's Bring Back My Girls. This is a layup. We randomly ended with a Bring Back My Girls joke, right? What is it? Huh. It hurts me that you don't remember this.

That you don't remember this off of the top of your head. I worked very hard on this one. Oh, no, it's being back my son. It's ransom. It's ransom. Sad that you don't remember that off the bat. All right. Bring back. My son.

Last question. Phil Collins is in the air tonight. This one isn't about anything that happens in the movie, but it's related to an anecdote that we told about the film. in that they had some type of fill in that they had some type of Phil Collins run in or something no what is the what what happens in the lyrics of in the air tonight at one point uh it comes in the air tonight yeah but there's a verse about the the singer saw someone who was all the packal eyes he saw someone who was drowning. And sent love and light. So Rupal sending love and light.

No, there was another anecdote, though, about you don't remember it. You should remember it. This should be blazed in your brain. I can't believe you forgot the anecdote, where Bill Condon said that when he was dating Ryan Murphy, and he got caught in a riptide, and for a moment, he saw the look on Ryan Murphy's face that looked like he was going to let him drown. and that's what they broke up. My favorite anecdote. I forgot this.

I know. I don't know how. So what movie? It's running with scissors. It's running with scissors. Ryan Murphy's running with scissors. All right, Chris, you did a very good job with that quiz. Thank you.

And a nice retrospective on a lot of the movies. Yeah. I love looking back on our. A little walk-down memory lane. Yeah. Yeah, it's nice to remember the episodes we've forgotten. That's also a nice quiz that ultimately is kind of a roundabout way of saying what we do here, whether it's awkward celebrity anecdotes, whether it's terrible puns made by me. We love it.

Whether it's me torturing you with a Mark Anthony song. Yes, in many, many, many, many occasions. era. Yes, we do it all here. We do a lot of things on this podcast. Thank you.