This Had Oscar Buzz - 212 – The Bling Ring (with George Civeris)

Episode Date: September 26, 2022

StaightioLab cohost and Gawker editor George Civeris returns to us this episode, and we’re going to Paris’. In 2013, Sofia Coppola delivered another tale of disaffected youth, this time ripped from gossip column headlines with The Bling Ring. With a post-Harry Potter Emma Watson at the center, the film follows several Los Angeles celeb-obsessed teens … Continue reading "212 – The Bling Ring (with George Civeris)"

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What a great moment in life. What a great moment in our culture. Great moment in cinema. Who's going to do that on the drag race spoken word next season? the whole Alexis Nyer's voicemail. Who would do that really well? I'm very excited for that. Next, All-Stars. Alexis Nyer's drag race guest judge. Have you seen the cast list?

No spoilers. Have you guys seen the cast list for the new All-Stars that's like filming now or whatever? The new Drag Race All-Stars? No. Am I allowed to speak? Yes, George, please speak. We'll introduce you soon. George Salaris is back.

And I just want to say to both of you, your butt looks awesome. Oh my god, yes I have not seen the cat's culture No, I don't I do not want to be the podcast that holds our guests hostage And makes them sit in Tortured silence while we do bits and comedy And what makes me sit in my cell that's close to Lindsay Lohan

I just hear her cry She did get to keep her extensions though So thank God for that You just see M-O-I-Y Watson slash Alexis Nyer's with like a looney-tunes drill into the wall of a prison cell so she can put her ear against it to listen to Lindsay. I never, okay, this is probably getting the cart before the horse. I never watched that e-show pretty wild. So like I never knew what this whole thing was about beyond the vaguest notions of like there was a like burglaring ring in L.A. for a while there.

but like me not being in L.A., me not watching that show, Twitter not existing at that time, I had very little notion of what this was. I also, I don't think I knew about this before the movie. Is that crazy? Or maybe I had, it's one of those things like I probably read about on Perez Hilton and then forgot, it's like in the kind of cacophony of celebrity stories. Because I was reading that kind of stuff. My favorite source was this. short-lived website called omg.jahoo.com, which had aggregated celebrity content from around the web. Yeah. That aggregated celebrity content from around the web was a real boom period during that, like, early aughts time.

Everything was aggregated. And guess what? It still is, babe. I do it every day. But I also, and we can talk about this more later, but this was recently in my life again because when Zeeway was doing her Instagram show, one of the people she interviewed was Alexis Nyers. And

honestly, I had, because I had never watched pretty wild, and then because of that, I went back and did the research and, like, watched the clips and watched her. She's done a lot of, kind of, like, every few of years she comes back and tells her story. Yes. In an honestly,

generally very compelling way, and I kind of like her a lot as a figure. Well, I mean, the movie probably goes a little harder on her and kind of like makes Alexis Nyer's more of a construct than Alexis Nyers as she like is now yeah but like I hadn't seen the pretty wild clips oh well I've seen clips but I never watched the actual show but I feel like I only even saw clips in relation to oh this movie's coming out like that's when I first started seeing the clips

I was friends at that time with it felt like a lot of people who were very into, like, New York Magazine culture, which is not to say New York Magazine, but, like, you know, Gotham, I guess, magazine culture, right? And this, that article seemed to loom large for a lot of people, that Nancy Joe sales article, sort of. But, yeah. It was the grifter. God, what's the?

Oh, the hipster. Well, Adelty was. Anna Delvey, thank you. It was like the Anadelvie article of its time. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, we should properly introduce George. Yes.

Listeners, he's back. Once again, talking Sophia Coppola with us. George Saffaris is here. We love a guest with Elaine, I will say. It's an honor and a pleasure. I will say I'm so happy to be talking about this film. However, when Chris or Joe, I can't remember. No, it was when Chris asked me what movie I would want to do.

my first thought was a Miranda July movie and then Chris was like Joe will be so pissed about that I wouldn't be pissed I just wouldn't be nice about it I would just be I would But I do actually love I love being the Sophia Coppola

person even though I believe Gina Rodriguez should have been nominated for Best Supporting Actress for whatever that movie was called Cagillionaire Guess who have a lane Our regular guests who have a lane Now it's you have Sophia

blah. Katie has, like, indistinguishable white twinks. Plus, she's also around Thanksgiving time. I feel like she has sort of a seasonal vibe. And Christina Tucker has Westchester. That's true. We keep getting Christina on to talk about movies related to Westchester. Have you guys done the Beguiled?

I forget. No, we have not. Well, I'm always happy to come on and say, Edwina, get the anatomy book. It is off the books for anybody else who would want to do that movie. But, okay, so this is one of the times where we threw it out to a guest to do this movie versus letting a guest choose. And this is probably a joke that's only funny to me, but it is episode 212. Yeah. So I said, well, we have to do the bling ring for 212.

I love it. It's also such a perfect movie. I feel like as as cliché as it sounds you never tire of relitigate I never tire of relitigating mid-aughts culture even when it seems like there's nothing more to say yes and that is Scott speaking of boom eras in our culture like relitigating the aughts relitigating late 90s tabloid culture or whatever is hot hot hot right now in the culture so um the funny thing about the Azalea Banks song is, though, pretty obviously right there in the title is it's not a song about L.A. It's not an L.A. song. And this is the L.A.est movie ever. So, and there are a lot of very L.A. movies. But so it's so funny that this song, that that song is so synonymous with this movie about L.A. All of the music in this actually, though. I was going to say. Where it's like sleigh bells, the second that Slaybell song

comes on. I'm in 2013 again, but it's like Frank Ocean, all the lights, like all of this. A very specific Kanye West era. That's what I mean. Yeah, yeah, that very specific moment for Kanye, um, obviously Azzalia Banks. Like, it was, and Sophia Coppola loves to be very, you know, choosy with her music. She is very, uh, you know, very much curator in her movies with her music. this feels like the most finger on the pulse of the moment music in any of her movies.

Yeah, I mean, last time I was here we were talking about somewhere, and that that is on the pulse, but in a very different way and like an indie way. And this is really like, this is what's on the radio. I mean, I guess, I don't know, no, but Slee bells was big. Yeah, it's really, it's like elevated pop kind of. Well, at that, I mean, you say on the radio, which is so funny because, like, what's a radio? But, like, at that moment, the songs that were sort of in, you know, in the ether all around you, the way that it would be during, like, radio days were the things that were popping on TV shows and not even necessarily movies, but, like, trailers for movies and, you know, like Apple ads and stuff like that. So that's... I was so shocked there was not a Ting Ting song in this movie.

I'm saying. I'm saying at what point? But I do think that goes to show you how good of an eye she has because Slay Bell's is the right choice and Ting Dengs is not the right choice. That's true. Well, and like, even something like 212 has been in a million movies since, but... It was just in Bodies, Bodies, and I was just like, what year... Well, am I existing?

You know why it was in Bodies Bodies Bodies is because Rachel Sennett originally did that viral video where she's like, this is every movie set in L.A. and it's 2-1-2, and then it's her dancing, and she goes, don't have an eating disorder, get one, bitch. Come on, it's L.A. What? It's L.A. I'm addicted to drugs. We all are.

If you don't have an eating disorder, get one, bitch. And she, like, does all these lines. And so then I noticed that they put it in the movie, and I was like, well, I'm sure it's fine for me to say this, But I was like, oh, my God, it's so funny that they literally, you, like, lived out your fantasy. She's like, yeah, I asked for that song. I, she's so funny in that movie. I mean, she's a standout.

I'm, like, mixed positive on that movie in general, but, like, she's such a star. It's just all about her. Yeah. I mean, it's, yeah. That back to back with Shiva Baby, I'm like, well, two for two. Like, let's keep going. Let's keep this train going. She's incredible.

I also was like, oh, the other thing she told me was that the line about, um, God, I hope I get this right. But there's a line where she's like, I don't tell a lot of people this, but I have body dysmorphia. Apparently that was improvised, which I think is genius. Like, it's just like. The line about he's a Libra Moon, and I think that says a lot. Yeah, yeah. I won't soon be forgetting that one.

I mean, so many of her jokes, I thought, felt like they weren't written as laugh lines, and yet she made them all the funniest thing in the movie. Yeah, yeah, kind of. Yeah, she's fantastic. Can't wait to see her in the new HBO show. Mixed feelings about the creative team, but... Wait, what's the new... Is that the show with the...

No, it's just like the Sam Levinson. The weekend show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which I'm a weekend fan music-wise. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, the Lily Rose Dep of it all is... But no, I will follow Rachel to the depths of...

The depths of A-24. There we go. Speaking of A-24, we're talking about a movie... that is from the first year of, like, A-24. I mean, I feel like this movie, we're talking about one that's kind of, like, ahead of its time in terms of, like, how it would be received. I'd kind of forgotten how not positively this movie was kind of,

was ultimately received and, like, the way people kind of look down their nose at it. It was definitely a mixed reaction. Like, there were positives and there were real negatives. This is going to make me sound like I'm aging myself in some way But like this movie wasn't didn't really even connect with young people In a way that it would now Just by the nature even of it being an A24 movie

And that people would probably get excited for it now being yeah The exact movie that it is Yeah but we it's so funny much like much like Marie Antoinette It's like they came out truly like a year and a half too early it's like if they have just waited out for the for the internet i mean not a year and a half in the case of your internet but like those can you imagine how the a24 team would market each of those two movies now that they came out i mean are you kidding me oh yeah yeah absolutely well and i think in terms of talking about sophia coppola's career it's a really

connected string of movies in terms of what their reception would be and like the kind of side-eyed that people would give them because, like, it starts with Marie Antoinette, which definitely has its fans. It wins the Oscar for costume design, but it was, like, one of the notoriously booed movies at

Cannes, and that kind of tainted it a little bit. I think a part of the big Marie Antoinette fandom that exists now is it was seen as this underdog, right? A lot of that fandom sprang up from, we've got to defend this movie from

these people who are being sexist about it, who are not appreciating Kirsten Dunst the way she should be appreciated, the booing it can, the, you know, whatever tepid reviews that were in the United States, and I think a lot of the

Marie Antoinette people are very like, you know, got your backup about that movie. And then somewhere is next, which we've talked about. Perfect movie. We all, I think, are in agreement that it's our favorite Sophia Coppola, did we say in that time?

It's mine. It's definitely mine now. Oh, interesting. I mean, I hate to be a complete cliche, but unfortunately I was so, when I first watched Lawson Translation, I was so young, and it was very much like an indie film. Like, I really just was like, and I haven't watched

it and honestly almost a decade at this point, but if you were to tell me gun to my head what my favorite one is, it might be that just because I have such strong positive that's my very close second. That's my very close second, and I For a while there, I went back and forth with that. And I think when we did somewhere for this podcast last year,

year and a half, two years ago, who knows? I was in pandemic mode. I know that. Yeah, I've gotten the eternal sunshine surgery since then. I think seeing it again for that podcast really solidified it for me as being my favorite. But it was funny because watching Bling Ring, I was, as I'm watching it, I'm like, I like this movie a lot. It might be my least favorite Sophia Coppola movie.

And then I'm like, well, maybe the beguiled. And then I'm like, oh, but well, on the rocks. And I just had that sad realization that, like, oh, my three least favorite Sophia Coppola movies are her three most recent movies. And, like, that's maybe not great. That's interesting. I also still think the batting average is very high. Yeah.

I don't dislike any of her movies. Even, like, on the rocks, I came the closest maybe. But, like, I don't dislike. I like that movie quite a bit. I enjoyed it. But even, in terms of the trajectory, even somewhere, she wins the Golden Lion at Venice, but everybody is immediately like, oh, well, Clinton Tarantino was the president of that jury. They used to date. People look discanced at it.

And, like, I think on that episode, we talk about a lot of the reasons why they shouldn't. But then when this movie comes out, she goes back to Cannes. she opens the uncertain regard section which is not the main competition and immediately it has this like taint on the movie like she has been demoted yeah and like she that this movie is somehow lesser and it's with this new distributor that would turn out to be you know the real conversation starter that they became and it i i think i mean i don't i wouldn't go so far as to say this movie needs a reassessment because much like most Sophia Coppola movies this one does have its fans but I was still really taken aback

when I saw I think this is probably her worst reviewed movie it was on the rocks I think was received better than this I mean granted maybe in a non pandemic time yeah wouldn't be right let me look it up on it's also like

if she needs if she's at a place where she needs a win, so to speak, which I know is unfair because she's doing fine. Yeah. But, like, for this to be the win with, like, the girl from Harry Potter and, like, all unknowns and a subject matter that is less, quote, unquote, serious than, you know, some of her previous work. It's just, like, it really needs to be a home run for this to be her big comeback. Yeah.

Marie Antoinette is her lowest rated on Rotten Tomatoes. It's the only one. It's the only one that's listed. Rotten it's at 57% Bling ring is at 60 On the Rocks 87% on that old tomato meter Which does not track with

what I noticed in the culture It also just shows you how bullshit Rotten Tomatoes is just like It's also so of its time Like Maria Antoinette came during a peak of like women shouldn't speak And then on the Rocks was like You know there was an appetite for

I don't know like anything anything that felt like it was from a major filmmaker. There's also probably 10 times as many people on Rotten Tomatoes kind of leveling up the average now. Although you would think that would mean that it would drive things towards the middle more. It's rarely true though because now like a movie that's like considered to receive mixed reviews gets like 75.

Totally. Yeah. Yeah. Well I think that's more of just like that's the Rotten Tomatoes mission statement. They want to be, they want to play. nice with the studios and so a you know a juiced up rating no pun intended

um gets them on you know advertisements and movie posters and you know trailers and TV spots and whatnot so yeah so much of the reception though I think of this movie has a lot to do with subject matter

and a certain like echelon of critic not taking it seriously, even though I think the movie does take it really seriously. And I would probably say it's the only Sophia Coppola movie with a dark ending. Uh, I mean, maybe the beguiled, but the final note that this movie ends on is not typical of Sophia Coppola to the point where she's like, it really feels like she's questioning where the culture is moving in a way that you think people would have taken more seriously. But I do think the like Emma Watson,

of it all, and we'll definitely talk about her performance, plus, you know, the shifting perspective on Sophia Coppola's work really led to this movie being unfairly received. It was at the time sort of her least cool movie in terms of aesthetics, in terms of there was this sort of stylishly removed vibe for a lot of her things, and this one felt I don't know, a little more, like, self-consciously trashy, but trashing nonetheless. Well, she also kind of went to pop. Like, we were talking about before, like, it's not as, there's less indie cred in this movie. When it's, again, starting, like, Hermione from Harry Potter with a soundtrack that's, like, you know, that's like pop songs.

Like, it simply is not as cool as somewhere where it's like silent vistas with, you know, Too much happens in this movie. I don't mean too much as in like, but like too much happens in this movie for it to be sort of received with the same kind of, you know, aesthetic approval as her other movies. Like this has more plot than her previous three or four movies. This was, this was her fifth, right? Virgin Suicides, Austin Translation Marie Antoinette somewhere.

Yeah. So much is going on. I don't know. There's just so much, there's so many more scenes, I feel like in this. In like 89 minutes. Yeah. Yeah. Let's do the plot, though.

Should we get into the plot description? Yeah. Let's do that. All right. So, listeners, before we get too deep into the movie, we are here to talk about the Bling Ring, written and directed by the one and only Sophia Coppola based on a Vanity Fair article by Nancy Joe's sales. Movie stars Emma Watson, Ian Bressard, Katie Chang, Taisa Farminga, Claire Julian,

in Carlos Miranda, Gavin Rostale, and Leslie Mann. It premiered in the Uncertain Regards section of Cannes and then Open Limited in the United States on June 14th, 2013. Mr. George Svarez, are you ready to, as our guest, give the 60-second plot description? I'm ready. Let's do it. All right. Your 60-second plot description for The Bling Ring starts now. Mark Hall arrives as a new student at Indian Hills High School and becomes friends with Rebecca on. She asks him if he knows anyone who is out of town and they go to the president.

person's house and they steal money which they use to go on a shopping spree. Rebecca is obsessed to celebrities and asked Mark to look up where they live and they start robbing them, including Orlando Blue, Megan Fox, Adriina Patrick, and Rachel Bilsen. Meanwhile, Nikki and Sam live with Nikki's mom who homeschools them using the secret and they start getting involved in the robberies as well. Security footage of the Adrenor robbery appears on the news, but nothing happens so Rebecca becomes even more confident and is dead set on robbing the house of her idol, Lindsay Lohan. Eventually, media coverage of the Hollywood Hills burglaries intensifies. The LAPD identifies all of them and they are arrested.

They're all found guilty, and they get sentences ranging from one to four years in prison. Nikki ends up in the same jail block as Lindsay Lohan and reveals that she was in touch with Lindsay's managers to tell her who it was that robbed her house. When asked for more information by an interviewer at the end, she looks into the camera and promotes her blog where you can read all about it. And with a few seconds to spare, that is it. I mean, I missed, it was, you know, there are some stuff that I wish I could have gotten more Leslie Mann in there. Leslie Mann playing one of the great sort of stereotypical permissive moms I was trying to think about that

What are the great what's like the The Hall of Fame of Cinematic Permissive Moms I kept thinking of like Amy Poehler I mean a very recent one that was I don't know if you guys saw Sharpstick But Jennifer Jason Lewis like really does I thought of her too Yeah like really does that

Yeah, sharp stick It feels like we In the last sort of 10 years, it feels like the generation with sort of notoriously permissive moms have really come of age and are now telling their stories, I guess. I think Leslie Mann is so interesting and unexpected, but also really funny as this permissive mom, is that she's not the permissive mom who is just like a bad mom or, you know, trying to be cool with her kids. She is teaching her kids the secret. So she's not a great mom. Ernest and serious with them. Yeah, sure.

Yes. I mean, the Angelina Jolie vision board. Really an incredible moment. The thing about the Angelina Jolie vision board, though, is from a 22 perspective, I look at that and I'm like, no, honestly, girls, like, take this more seriously. Like, there are qualities in Angelina Jolie that you should emulate, and you're not picking out the right ones, and you're doing this wrong. And she's a great humanitarian, and she's raised her children in very significant.

difficult circumstances. So let's maybe give her some credit other than her beauty. Well, that's the kind of ambiguity of the movie in general where it's like, and I actually think it works, Sophia Gable isn't necessarily making fun of, I mean, she is just to an extent, but it's not cruel towards Leslie Mann.

It's like, I do think you see someone that, like, is doing her best based on her extremely flawed, you know, priorities. Yeah. But then when, like,

her daughter gives this speech to TMZ or whoever she's like standing in the back nodding like yes my daughter just spoke from her heart and was just you know I mean it's a mess yeah so it's not like she's she's more of a misguided person than someone who like has no priorities beyond herself right right I mean I think we usually see in that role yeah and there is also the very like commendable part of her life that's like that she took in this other girl whose mom couldn't raise her and is, you know, actually very

similar to a sharp stick in that way where there is this like you know, matriarchal. Right, right. Blended family. Yeah. Taking in wayward, uh, whatever. And honestly, like, especially in 2013,

like taking in Taisa Farminga is asking for trouble because she's either going to be in a coven of some sort or like some terrible thing is following her around like you never know when ryan murphy is going to come a call in and it's it's fraught you can so easily imagine the ryan murphy version of this exact movie oh yeah and being terrible i mean i think you can imagine a lot of other people's version of this movie and it's not i mean i don't know I think Sophia Coppola has a really interesting way of approaching young people in her movies that is empathetic, but still very interested in, like, their shortcomings in a way that's, like, not. Yeah.

Because you think of, like, Marie Antoinette, you think of the Virgin Suicides, like, even the Virgin Suicides, which is, like, kind of condemning that whole group of boys. it's still trying to understand their whole, like, worldview, right? And I think this movie does the same thing in a way that, like, some of the people who were dismissive of it couldn't really see what she was actually doing. Yeah. Well, I also think, Sophia, go ahead. I was just going to say, I will be fairly brief about this. At the time, I remember reading an article about the bling ring and also spring breakers together,

but like mostly it was about the blingering. It was Emily Ishida in Grantland who like kind of tore this movie up. And while doing so, sort of like laid bare this grand unified theory of Sophia Coppola as this sort of privileged woman who through the bling ring was sort of letting her kind of sneering POV at these middle class people who were trying to literally break into upper, you know, celebrity culture or whatever, and that Sophia, from her point of view, as somebody who had been making movies sort of exclusively sympathizing with rich, disaffected, you know, literally like in their, you know, hotel room, you know, culture, that it was not a particularly kind movie or humanistic, I think, was the term she used.

And in comparison, Harmony Corrine with Spring Breakers was like trashier, but ultimately more humane with his viewpoint on those girls in that movie. And I didn't really care for Spring Breakers. So I always remember sort of like bristling a little bit with that take, but I've never been able to fully put it out of my mind. and it's been it's an interesting sort of pushback against this movie specifically the bling ring but also sort of the whole Sophia Coppola thing I recognize a lot of truth in that while still being like there is a ton of value I find from the Sophia Copeland movies and just a ton of enjoyment in general I love Emily Ushita and I think part of the reason why that's sticking in your mind is she's such a great writer oh she's a fantastic right

Um, I don't think I agree with that point of view because I do actually think, I don't think that Coppola's handholding you through this in this movie, but I do actually think that she's viewing these kids as part of a system and as like cogs in the wheel of a certain type of celebrity culture that wants them to obsess over these people in this like kind of dehumanizing way in a way that ultimately dehumanizes them as well. in a way that I think is the opposite of spring breakers, even though I do like spring breakers. Yeah, so, I mean, again, I don't think she hand holds you, but I do think there's a lot more going on there than her, you know, picking fun at these middle class girls. I did interrupt you, George, though. What were you going to say? No, no.

I mean, this is kind of related. What I was going to say is in terms of the ways that she approaches. teenagers and young adults. I think something I appreciate is that she kind of lets them let's them be naturally what they are, which is slightly dumb, like, just like they have not grown up yet. Like, that's just a fact, like it's the same with Marie Antoinette, you know, it's the same with all these young people. And she neither makes it exactly the butt of the joke, even though sometimes it is,

nor does she make, like, she never makes anyone overly precocious, I guess is what I'm trying to say which I actually really appreciate it's like she she there's a certain realism that comes with even just like the dialogue of how these kids speak even when the the one boy in the group is like trying to make some grand point about the culture and he's kind of like yeah it's like people are obsessed with this kind of lifestyle and you can tell he wants to be profound but like he doesn't have the vocabulary he like he drops bonnie and clyde which like is totally not applicable to their whole situation. Yeah.

Yeah. And I actually, in that moment, I remember being like, wait, so what point is she trying to make? And then I realize actually it is intentionally, like, this guy just has not even conceptualized what's happened, what they've done or what it means or anything. And maybe it doesn't mean anything. They're all these like half-formed people. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.

Playing at this business of celebrity. And the celebrities that they idolize are also. kind of half-formed people if you're idolizing like Audrina Patridge and whatever, you know what I mean? Like Audrina Patridge hasn't come into some kind of self-possessed knowing vision of, you know, the celebrity she wants to be. Like she's stumbled ass backwards into that as much as anybody else did. So even the clips of her that they use, like they could have easily used damning clips

where they seem so vapid or something. but no it's like a clip of her trying to think of a restaurant she likes going to and then it's talking about ladoo like it's the most boring like basic it's just it's right it's not it's not a gotcha I mean there's a banality like it's like it's not it's that's the thing with like a lot of this is that yes it's about celebrity but it's much more complicated it's much more 2007 than that like it's not about celebrity the way the culture is directing itself and like what machine is fueling that. I'm glad you actually bring up that Adrenna Patridge interview footage that's in the movie because it's like the idea I think or the concept that a lot of people come to this

is that she is vapid. But really like I think the subtle ways that Sophia Coppola is showing it is like yes it's them interviewing her about like where she likes to go to eat. Exactly. The system questions that she has asked are themselves

fucking stupid. I mean it is truly like she is in front of a spotlight and cameras in the microphone yeah and what and the task of hand is saying where she like like yeah like it really like it is kind of genius although i will say as somebody who watched almost all of the hills like adrina patridge is definitely vacuous so like that's yeah i think the other thing and like maybe it's easier to see this about this movie now because we're even more removed from the specific time that it's depicting, is that these kids are all

filtering, like we've just said, they themselves are these half-formed people obsessing over these other half-formed type of people. But it's also, they're processing all of that at an incredibly cruel time for celebrity culture,

and especially people like the Audrina Patraches, like the Parasilitans, were like, say what you want about any of them as people, but they were also treated incredibly cruelly in a way that like that was forming these kids brains too like as they're obsessing over their mansions and their lubitons they're also being essentially educated to dehumanize them at the same time that whole aughts era of celebrities and you see still see echoes of it now in people who are in their 30s and sort of the celebrities that they kind of grew up if not idolizing

because it's not quite idolizing. I can't the way that people feel about Lindsay Lohan it's it's not like hero worship. It's like defense.

It's like being like I feel like every, that whole era of Paris and Lindsay and Britney especially and Kim Kardashian and all of these sort of women who people now have this like decades long relationship

with defending and with like Justice 4X is like the like you know rallying cry right and it's all of these celebrities who were put through the media ringer machine and put through this

sort of publicity crunch and so you emerge from it not necessarily like a lot of people will be like Lindsay Lohan had some bangers, and it's like, sure, but it's mostly that you were on Team Lindsay, and you were in the business of defending Lindsay lohan. And so there's this sense of this whole celebrity culture who you know about and obsess over and, you know, have a ton of opinions on, but you don't necessarily, and people are going to yell at me about this, but

like you don't necessarily really respect them. And I think that's when you can have these people who are like, I love Paris, let's go robber house. You know what I mean? Right. Yeah. Well, I, yes, I think that it's interesting when people talk about like, as we're doing now, what a bad time this was for celebrity culture, as though this current time is so much better or as though we haven't just like, invented new ways of like yeah not just kind of treating celebrities poorly but literally it being like a free for all where if I knew I mean not to get not to talk about cancel culture because that's not what I am here to talk about sure like the idea that current internet dynamics let's say writ large are better or healthier or more pro social than they were in 2007 it's just like

such a no it feels like everything about the culture of of 20 years ago is coming back including this type of cruel like you know imagine we've talked about demois culture before but it's like it also explains like why people probably couldn't

you know see this movie for what it was attempting to do at the time because imagine someone making a demois movie right now like right yeah I also yeah I mean it's funny because also maybe we're nicer to celebrities not but we're meaner to normal people like there's something where it's like well every article

is literally like, you know, Jessica Simpson claps back at the haters and then every Instagram comment is like, die bitch to some like random women in Arkansas. Like it's so funny. But to your point, Joe, about how like this kind of reactive

yass queening of these women is almost like the other side of the same coin where it's almost as dehumanizing. Because you are essentially, like, I mean, I thought about this and whatever i hope i'll just say but i've always felt this way with like that podcast that started the free brittany movement which was about her instagram like you cannot convince me that

going through her instagram and pretending it's some joyous thing is not inherently rooted in you based in mocking her like i'm so there's no way i've always thought what you are doing is not mocking her just like with a veil over it and it's in in some ways or some not to you know, go too far in the other direction and say that's even worse because maybe it's not even worse, but it's kind of, it's more dishonest. I'll say that. Like, it's definitely more dishonest to pretend that you are celebrating Britney Spears by literally pointing to videos where she clearly does not look like she's doing well and being like, she is so kooky. That is way more dishonest than Perez Hilton, like, you know, circling her, literally like circling her underwear

in a picture. And then behaving like weird Q&ONF. freaks who are like between the lines like she's you got to you got to read the words that she's not saying in her you know whatever and it's just like I don't know that's a whole other yeah I mean you can't and then I'm sorry that being endorsed by the New York Times like that's truly the cherry on top where it's like and others a New York Times documentary where they are portrayed a series that was bad and not insane well um yeah anyway Britney Britney is a very very complex figure in this, and that I do think that there are some genuine, like, real support Britney people out there type of thing. But, like, broadly, I totally agree with this. And, like,

it's one of my things about the real Housewives is, like, I do think it's baked into appreciation for the Housewives. But, like, the Housewives is, like, the Champagne version of that. It's no coward doing that. It's not, like, you know. Yeah. At least with the Housewives, at least so I tell myself. These are adult women with a lot of insulation socially and monetarily and whatnot who have, you know, signed up for whatever they signed up for. But it's also by now a completely different machine. Well, but also, and but the other, as I argue with myself, like,

do you ever really willingly sign up for all of what you end up getting until like, Can you ever be fully prepared for what that all is until you're in it? Like, probably not. Can't imagine, like, what was the thing today? Poor Garcel Beauvais's, like, teenage son is getting bombarded with Instagram racism or whatever. And because of, like, Housewives shit. It's just, it's so bad. It's, I don't know.

Anyway, if we've lost any listeners with this talk, this is what Sophia Coppola was trying to say. Yeah, exactly. We have lost you as a listener. You are no better than, I don't know, Rex Reed for not liking this movie. Can we talk about Emma Watson, though, in this movie? Because you guys go first. What a unicorn of a performance this is. I feel like we're all going to have a very different response.

Maybe. The thing about, I've always felt a little bit, I mean, talk about, like, riding to the defense of celebrities or whatever. I've always felt a little bit bad that Emma Watson has become sort of known for being a terrible actress, right? Like, everybody just sort of has decided that that is her identity. She was the one person and little women that everybody was like except for Emma Watson. And, you know, obviously, like, you know, Harry Potter is, of all the rabbit holes we've gone down in this one so far, we're not doing the Harry Potter thing. but like I think she's tremendous

in this movie I think the exact word I was going to use I think she's taps into a real real specific version of this character

that like you can absolutely tell she watched a lot of Alexis Nyer's videos like some people are like I didn't want to go to any primary source stuff I wanted to avoid that

as much as possible it's a performance that absolutely walks up to the line of being too much, and this is a movie that I think can accommodate that, so it works for me. And every line reading, I think, is incredibly funny. So funny. I think she's incredibly shrewdly cast, because it's one of those things where I think a director recognizes the limitations of a performer and puts them in exactly the type of framework where they're going to be genius.

Because, like, I do think that, like, her limitations as a performer are not, they are a feature, not a bug of this performance. And I mean, like, I think it's kind of a feat of casting along with being a very, very funny performance. Yeah. Well. flip that coin George flip that coin no I mean I don't want to I'm not like I you know I'm not prepared to be like actually she's terrible like I of course I understand everything everyone's saying like there are line readings that are funny and it's like it's a fun performance all of this I the way that I just saw the effort in every choice like that's kind of how I felt was that in every line and every look in every movement it's like this has been studied and practiced, and it's, I mean, this is such an unfair accusation, but it's just like

it did not seem natural at all. Like, it seemed like a British actress and not, I'm not even talking about the accent. Like, it seemed like a British actress that had just come out of Harry Potter who was like, and now get this. I'm going to say, I'm going to use the word awesome. Not to be like, because the easiest answer to criticism is always like she meant to do that. But, like, do you not feel like that does play into that character, that kind of affected, so-studied media presentation? I think that watching the movie now, I am really able to appreciate it as a whole. And I agree, like, yes, watching it now, I kind of just see it all. I, like, appreciate it all for what it is and I'm able to appreciate that.

However, I'm sorry, but, like, as someone who watched The Circle in The Circle, in an empty theater in Portland, Oregon. Like, it's, you're going to have a hard time convincing me. She's making a lot of intentional choices. That is, like, no, I mean, like, I- That is ultimately on you, George, seeing- Yeah, 100%. I absolutely could not agree with you more about the amount of effort

that is going into this performance. You're just saying it pays off. Yeah, I think it fully pays off. I think it actually, like, I don't want to be one of those people that's like, hmm, I think that's the point. Like, you know, that's- Of course, of course. There couldn't be a Twitter thing to say, but like, I think that's what it is. I would say, like, you, I'm, like, 70% convinced with everything you guys.

Like, you know, it's like, I want to be there. And, and ultimately, like, I had fun. But there was, and I know this is such a, I think it's so unimaginative to be like, well, what if it was someone who plays these characters all the time? But, like, I did find myself thinking, like, if this was Emma Roberts, I would be laughing my ass off. Sure. But I also feel like with Emma Roberts, you're not wrong about that. And I've, like, she's given performances. Yes.

Like, like, Emma Roberts on Scream Queens is genuinely fantastic. Yeah. So underappreciated. Like, people did not, I don't know. People didn't recognize. I do think there's an element of Emma Watson just being in this role doing what she has to do that contributes to the perception. Well, that's the thing I was, yeah. This is, like, rubbing these people's.

nose and shit. The thing about Emma Roberts is we've seen Emma Roberts be that kind of good before. And we had never seen... This is after Scream 4, which she's incredible in. Right, right. I think the novelty of this performance coming from Emma Watson was also, I think, pretty effective. And like, yeah, I do see all of your points, George. But it was on the It really does work on me. It does. And I think that, like, you could almost be a complete bitch and be like, well, the reason this is her one good performance is because it's vapid, you know, it's because she actually

can't, like, can't, like, kind of portray depth. Like, it's like, the reason she's bad in the square, or not the square, what is it called, the circle, not the square, the movie about the art world with the guy that's, like, going around. Right. whatever um the reason she's bad in the circle aside from the fact that literally everything is bad about that movie is because you are she really needs you need you know she needs to be working at like three levels at any given time it's like what is she has she bought into this

thing is she brainwashed is she trying to whatever sure and yes there is something almost like liberating for her and for the viewer of this performance where it's like she has to hit one I don't want to say one no because that's unfair she has to hit um or I guess she has to make a series of choices that all hit a similar note and she can do it in any creative way she wants all to make a point or whatever and yes I think she was much better than I thought she would be I'll say that well I also think everybody all of the members of the titular ring in this movie are all kind of they're not all I wouldn't say they're all one note but they are all in it's like, did you watch Darya? Did you ever watch Darya? And you know how, like, Quinn's little friend group, each of them had, like, their own specific affect

that kind of set them apart from the other ones? That's kind of what I was getting from the various members of the bling ring. I think Mark is sort of the one that the movie calls upon to have a few more, have more of an inner life, right? We see him at home. You know, he's trying on the shoes. He's, you know, talking about hot guys. I'm kind of dying for the movie to delve more into this kind of sexuality that he feels kind of afraid of.

And ultimately, the movie has just too many other things to talk about at that point. But I think even like, is it Rebecca? What's her? Yes, Rebecca is Katie Chang's character. Katie Chang, who, by the way, I looked on her filmography to be able to. like what else has she been in not a single thing i've ever heard of like she was in like she's been in like projects and movies and whatnot but like absolutely nothing i've ever even heard of which was like very surprising cla i think she's pretty good in this movie too i do too yeah same with

were you about to say i because i looked up that other the player julian who played chloe claire julian and she literally has been in two things yeah yeah and i wonder if this is like you know Sophia Coppola, was at a, you know, Miu show or something like that, and, you know, was looking around who was there in the crowd and, you know, picking out people, whatever. Wow. Also, Katie Chang, I mean, I know this is part of the casting of this movie that they were all really high school age, but she really was, like, 17. Yeah.

Yeah, that makes sense, too. And it also makes sense as to why you cast, like, you know, Israel Broussard, who I think is pretty good in this movie. and yet, like, the only thing I've ever heard about him after is him making, like, a series of, like, really bad, like, post Black Lives Matter tweets and stuff like that. And it's just, like, shit. Yeah, just, like, dumb, like, stuff you want to be able to chalk up to, like, dumb 20-something stuff, but also, like, I don't know. Oh, wow.

He, like, okay, I can't, I actually can't do this right now. I can't take the song Because I actually was so Moved by that gay character Like I really actually thought It actually made me think like There really are very few characters like this Like a kind of

Yeah A you know queer Presumably boy that has like Slight body issues And is like trying to find meaning Through his friendships with women And it's like Or yeah with girls exactly

I'm like I'm trying to find meaning through his friendships with women and is like, I'm trying, I'm all the way in the other direction where and I'm now calling just teenage girls women because I'm too respectful. Very, God, speaking of little women. I'm like, very, Joe March. Yeah.

Yeah. But yes, with girls. And, yeah, I actually was, I was like, it's almost not to, it's almost like quietly, extremely kind of, I'm trying to use a word that's not radical because that's not what I want to say. But it's quietly so much more interesting than it appears, let's say. Yeah. like that character.

They're also very era-specific for like that type of young gay man of like the casual homophobia he would experience even in his so what so called progressive friend group of all women. Yeah, I do think it's maybe one of the film's shortcomings that like that character is not, it's almost too interested in him in comparison to the other characters because it ultimately feels like there's not enough diving into those things. It's like it's just putting it on the table, but you expect it to be more of the movie. And ultimately, I think in terms of how Sophia Coppola views these characters, I would argue she thinks that he is ultimately the one that gets inordinately screwed compared to the rest of the group. the way that she presents him, especially in the end of the movie,

and, like, Rebecca kind of is ultimately the villain of the story. There's the most sympathy sort of directed toward Mark in the filmmaking of it. Can we also say that Israel Broussard and Al Fanning have the same face? Can we just, like, make that? Yes. Like, literally, I'm watching this. I'm looking at him now. Like, just the way he, like, smiles in certain.

of these scenes in this, I'm just like, oh my God, like he and L. Fanning smiled the exact same way. It's really interesting. Listen, if L. Fanning was in Emma Watson's role, L. Fanning might be an Oscar nominee by now. I mean, say that. What is going to be L. Fanning's Oscar nominated role? The first time she is in the Best Picture Frontrunner. She's just going to be one of those. Her first Oscar nomination is not going to be anywhere near as interesting as some of her best work. What L. Fanning movie is going to be an Oscar frontrunner, though?

I mean, she's working with everybody. I guess. I'm just trying to think of, like, what, like, what type of role is she going to, I don't know, she takes, like, I don't know, she plays. It could easily be a costume drama. Exactly. But do the Oscars go for costume dramas as much? I'm, like, I'm trying to think of, like, what, like, real life celebrity, like, who's her Tammy Fay Baker, like, ultimately? Like, that's what it's going to have to be.

Well, I think her first Oscar nomination is probably supporting where she is, like, the wife of a great. man sure god that's sad it's gonna be one of those and it's gonna be depressing and that's just what it is it's a bummer i did not mean to bring up el fanning potentially i brought up el fanning because again i think emma watson is great the other thing is like because we're talking about this ensemble like the amount of like overt like forcefulness and the like full facade that she's putting on it all points and like also she's the only famous one among that cast i think really does a lot of heavy lifting for this movie as to why she would be the one who would stay in the media or like stay in media attention of all of these real life kids that did this yeah um

oh in terms of Alexis herself yeah because like the rest of these performances are more on like the natural, understated side. Yeah, I think it's a mixture of things because I was just watching an interview with Alexis Nyers and I think something I hadn't realized, which I guess is technically in the movie, is that Alexis basically was involved, if she is to be believed, was involved in like one of the robings. She was like out and was like blackout on, you know, drugs and alcohol and she was with this crew and then they like took her along to the Orlando Bloom house.

Right. then they were robbing before that and they were robbed and like the rest of the group was robbing before that and they were robbing after that and she kind of like got caught up in it as she was again like a literal like heroin addict um and so it's in if things have gone differently this could have just been almost a blip in her life and yet because she happened to be literally filming a reality show while she got arrested like the second day of filming the reality show that was not what it was going to be about right and then on top of that in the movie, as you're saying, she was played by the one famous person who also was the one

who got the most buzz and the most attention, literally like one of the most famous actresses in the world because of Harry Potter at the time. And so it's funny because, in fact, the Rebecca character and, like, basically, most of the other ones were actually like a bling ring. Right. And she kind of was such a side character. Today we call them bling rings. Yes.

Yeah. Have you ever watched more than just the phone call scene from Pretty Wild? Like, have you watched, like, I watched, like, a, like, a five or six-minute clip or whatever that, like, started before that and went a little long or whatever. Just the level of, and, like, e-reality back then was bad. Like, that was... The Days of Paradise. It was real cynical. It was real, real cynical shit.

And, like, but the degree to which everybody on that reality show was performing as if in their own little, like, one-person show. And it's hard to watch. It's in that, like, real cringy way of just, like, American Idol failed auditions level of just, like, I don't want to look at this because it's making my skin crawl kind of a thing. that yeah it's not it's really not great i'm happy alexis seems like she's in a good place and it seems like has been for a while uh but and we keep pulling off the band-aid with these podcasts about this movie sorry girl i do think that maybe that was another thing that colored emma watson's performance from and of course she had that famous it wasn't the whole thing that during the media during the press store for this she said something like I tried to put myself in the like the shoes of the worst person I could ever imagine or something isn't that part of it was a really bad quote sophia has a couple of them too where she's just like these people were like it was trash culture and I don't want to give them any more fame that's why she changed the name she didn't want to make them more famous than they were and yada yada yada yeah right which it's so funny for her to say that when in fact the movie is so much smarter than that right

I mean it does kind of make you wonder if she was misquoted a little bit or like the there was a certain context I mean that's a pretty strong quote to say and I don't think the movie is that heartless I also I do like the thing with all this stuff as much as I enjoy getting mad about it as much as everyone else does is that usually or truly a subwood who has been talking for six hours yeah some press struck it and just like says something off the cuff and then it becomes a headline like yeah Yeah. Can we talk for half a second about the time space fuckery that exists with having Gavin Rostale show up in this movie? Looking like a snack, I might have. Hell, like, has never not, by the way.

The thing about Gavin Rostale. He's truly one of the hottest men, especially of that era. Gavin Rostale's Rolling Stone cover from like 1996, where he doesn't have his shirt on, was like years of, pent-up sexuality just sort of bursting forth on a magazine page for me. It was really something Gavin Rostale

a man who at any given moment could conceivably be wearing a shirt or a snake. Exactly. I owned two Bush albums which I believe is maybe all there were. There was probably more than that but I definitely owned two Bush albums.

I also saw them in concert. But then like After, like, that moment sort of passed, right? In the 90s went away. He was mostly known for, like, he was Gwen Stefani's husband. They had beautiful children. And they would show up every year at Wimbledon and sit in Roger Federer's friends and family section. This is a very Joe Reed kind of where we talk about that.

This is real specific to my interest. No, every single year. So, yeah, the only way we knew him is that he was at Wimbledon. He was at Wimbledon every year chairing on Roger Federer, and I would get, like, slightly resentful because obviously I was cheering for Raphael Nadal, and it was a little bit of a problem. But, yeah, but looking like crisp and beautiful as you please,

the two of them in their Wimbled and Whites and whatever. And then he showed up every once in a while. He was in Constantine, the Keanu Reeves, the horror movie, which is, like, actually kind of. a rad. I believe he... Don't people say that. Hold on. Who does he play in that? I was going to say he plays the devil, but I'm pretty

sure that's Peter Stormer, plays the devil in that. But, uh, no, I don't want to see his discography. I want to see his movie credits Wikipedia. Jesus Christ. What do you think I am? Constantine was 05. I kind of say he still looks great.

Oh, like, phenomenal. Phenomenal. I would absolutely ask him. Yeah, I would absolutely ask him to fence my stolen Rolexes. Like, that is euphemism? Who's to say? Yeah, he's just another demon in Constantine, named Balthazar. He's super handsome and that, too.

Like, nice work if you can get it. Always being handsome. Being handsome forever. The Gavin Rostas story. I don't know. Worth mentioning. Not to bring us down, but I wanted to mention the late Harris Savitas.

Yes, his last movie. He replaced halfway through by Christopher Bluffelt. And there's certain shots in this movie that, like, he didn't, he wasn't able to film most of the movie, but, like, some of them you can tell which are his. I think of that, like, wide shot where you can, it's just static on that house, where you see basically them running through the house. Oh, that was such a great. Oh, that was so good.

Brilliant. it um what a man what a uh talented man he is missed greatly um including correct me if i'm wrong joe no oscar nominations was he ever nominated i'll double check it but like i'm pretty sure that's the case yeah yeah zodiac alone should have been uh you know a win that's an oscar win as far as i'm concerned i don't know yeah it's a bummer I always have to mention Harris Sidotis. Did we know that this won the Palm Dog at Cannes? It didn't. That is incorrect.

Because IMDB is lying to me right now. The Palm Dog was, hold on, I looked this up. Thank you for double checking because I would have had to write the internet. This is kind of an interesting can. This is the blue is the warmest color can. Oh, God, sure. Yeah. bad movie. The Palm Tog was actually, I'm guessing this is probably some type of Pomeranian or Yorkie. It was from behind the candelabra.

Oh, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A movie I have wanted to rewatch. Remember how, like, everybody really loved that movie and got such a kick out of it and out of the performances. And then at the Emmys, Michael Douglas and Matt Damon just kept making like gay innuendo remarks to each other when they picked up their various awards and everybody turned on it with such a quickness it was it was that is probably why I haven't watched

I mean not not the comments specifically but there is you know I don't you know I'm not as a militant about the whole straight people playing gay roles thing but at some point you have to draw the line somewhere like I don't want Matt Damon like after he's like done interviews about how he like

just learned not to say faggot last year yeah right and so that was last year so like the big or behind the candelabra right he had gone through a full decade during his full flower of saying faggot every day

like apparently that every time I watched talented Mr. Ripley and I'm like bouncing off the walls because of what a stone cold red hot fucking masterpiece it is and then I'm like come down and I'm like he probably said faggot all throughout

filming he probably said faggot at Ben Affleck's wedding but like but like probably like not in a bad way. It was just like great, love to see all you faggots here, you know what I mean? Exactly, yeah. He was like, such a deal. I hope you make this faggot into a man.

God, Jennifer Garner must have had the worst time with Ben Affleck's friends at their wedding. Is all I can ever think of. Jennifer Garner really is, for me, someone who I really had to realize that the reason I found

so annoying was literally because of internalized sexism, and now I stand. Like, that was really, my, my, my, my, my kind of journey that, that the culture had with Brittany and Lindsay, I had with Jennifer Garner. Sure. Where I was like, I was like, it really took me, it truly, like, in, when she first came out onto the scene, I was like, she's annoying. Like, there's something I don't like about her. And then you just, but you know what?

All I ever hear, all I can think of it, though, is just like, because I remember, I can't remember whether it was on a commentary or whatever, uh, interview or something where like Kevin Smith definitely alluded to the fact that after Ben Affleck married Jennifer Garner, he kind of lost touch with Ben Affleck. And all I could think of was that she must have spent years just fighting this absolute like D-Day on the beaches at Normandy battle to like keep Ben Affleck's shitty fucking friends out of their life.

And just, I don't know. I mean, it really does make you wonder how much worse off Ben could have been if he hadn't met. Remember when he won his Oscar and his speech was literally like, marriage is a fight. Yes. Yes, I do. In fact, yes, I do. No, marriage is. Wasn't it just like marriage's work?

Marriage is work. It's the best kind of work, but it's work. And it's like, you are on the stage at the Oscars. The highlight of your career. And all you can think of is reminding everybody in the world that your wife and you go to marriage counseling. Like, what the fuck? Now, if Jennifer Garner had said that on stage at the Oscars, we'd be like, girl, we imagine. We bet, I'm sure.

But she's, like, presenting, like, best art direction set decoration. Exactly. She's, like, grandstanding. Yeah, and it's like, Jen Garner from the upcoming alias reunion on HBO Max. marriage much like designing the costumes for a great Hollywood movie has a lot of work and we'd be like yes Jen yes yeah we agree with you um introducing mrs Harris goes to Paris knock on wood picture for best picture she's going to present the best picture real for Mrs. Harris goes to Paris oh my god I yeah we can all agree that as much as I love I refuse

to be the ashes is one of the great like one of the great celebrity quests. When they write the book of like witticisms and quotables of the 21st century, like that's going to be in there, right? Yes. I do recommend that everyone go read. Olivia Craighead, who's one of who I work with, wrote truly within the span of 45 minutes,

a post called Top 50 Ben Affleck moments for his 50th birthday. I read that. And there are fully 50 of them. And she mentions the, and she mentions it. thing, the best picture thing? She mentions the Argo thing and the I don't want to be the Ashes. It was one of my, it was one of the best

things I've read all week. Like, it's so good. I mean, amazing. I loved it so much. What we're ultimately saying here, the long and short of it is they should have robbed Ben Afflex House. I mean, yeah, well, that is, yeah. What would they get from robbing Ben Affleck's house, though? Like,

a Red Sox hat and, uh, a Red Sox hat? No. Like, just so many Red Sox hats. Yeah. Like an entire room for the Red Sox ads There is something about the celebrities they rob where I'm like I don't care about any of them Except for Lindsay Lohan

Rachel Wilson like I don't Right I mean it's like okay Like it's again it's so 2000 when I keep saying 2007 when were the actual Robberies The article was 20th The Vanity Fair article was 2010 Well if Pretty Wild was filming

While this was all happening It was 2008 to 2009 is the bling is when the robberies happen yeah okay yeah so that makes sense wow um all right before we get uh too far gone i did create a game for you guys to play oh give it because we haven't played our uh beloved alter ego's game in a while and i wanted to and since this is one of the early eight 24 movies i thought we could do an alter ego's game for a 24 movies so george and all our listeners, if you haven't experienced us playing alter egos, this is a game where I give the names of three characters from different movies. And as the guesser, you would need to

figure out who played all three of these characters, and then what movie were all three of those actors in together? All of the answers will be A24 movies of some sort or another. so I'm going to alternate between George and Chris I'll probably keep score on my own and if I feel like revealing the scores at the end I will and if not I'll just declare it a ton so we'll see how it goes are you guys ready yes wait I have listened to this game before many times but I'm trying to remember it's what the answer should be

we're given the names of fictional characters right So if I say, like, Dorothy Gale, The Terminator, and Clarissa Vaughn, then you have to tell me what movie, Judy Garland, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Merrill Street were all in together. I see. I see. I would love to watch that movie, whatever it is. Yeah. That's around the world in 80 days. That's why it won Best Picture.

And the A-24 movies will be the answers, not the one of the character. That's where I was, okay, cool. All right. So, George, I'll kick off with you. All right. Since you are our guest, your first one, your characters are Alan Ginsberg, Gabriella Montez, and Mabel Mora. Oh, God. Sorry, I promise I'm not Googling.

I literally just got a text from my mom. Okay. Alan Ginsberg, what were the other ones? Gabriela Montez and Mabel Mora. Okay, is, oh my God, is Mabel Mora Selena Gomez? Selina Gomez from, this is Spring Breakers. This is Spring Breakers, yes. Because Howl is James Franco?

And then who is the third one? Gabriela Montes is Vanessa Hudgens from the high school musical. Oh, I would not have known that. I was flipping, I was taking a chance as to whether you would know high school musical or not. It's crazy that Mabel was the one that did it for me. I barely watched that show, but okay, great.

Point to George. Okay, Chris, yours are Chekhov, maybe Funke, and Charles Xavier. Is Chekhov Anton Yelchen? Yes, from the new Star Trek's.

And Charles Xavier is Patrick Stewart. This is Green Room. Correct, Chris. Green Room, a movie that I watched the entirety of with my shoulders somewhere six inches above my head. It's very, very tense. Also watching that movie after Trump was elected, not a great decision on my bar. Yeah, I saw that one when I played at Tiff, so I was, oh, that was in the books by the time Trump was elected for me. All right.

George, your characters are Muriel Heslop, Dr. Paul Weston, And Aunt Lydia. Aunt Lydia. Oh, okay. Aunt Lydia is And out. Yes. And what are the other ones? Muriel Heslop and Dr. Paul Weston.

Damn. Okay, well, I don't think I recognize either of those characters. I'm going to lean on the muriel of it all. Are there any movies with a muriel? that you can think of. Is it like a movie where it's revealed that someone's name is Muriel and then it's a joke? No, but it's maybe in the title.

Oh, it's Tony Collette. Oh, okay. So Tony Collette, Andoud. Wait, this is so obvious. And out was not an hereditary. Yes, she was. Oh, she was. Okay, it's hereditary.

It's hereditary. I forget. I like hereditary, but I've only seen it once in, in theaters and then never again so i i don't remember a lot of the details dr paul weston by the way is gabriel burn in uh in treatment the uh hbio series in treatment all right which is honestly underappreciated it was really good i watched almost all of that i believe maybe not the last season but still very good all nine thousand episodes diane weist went a whole ass emmy for that show and she deserved it she is great uh chris your characters are charlie fefferman

and Gordon Clark. I definitely know what Ali Fefferman is, but Sisters, is it from the Sisters Brothers, is it Joaquin Phoenix? It's Joaquin Phoenix from the Sisters Brothers. Oh, and his A-24 movie is, um, Ali Fefferman and what? Gordon Clark. I wouldn't linger on Gordon Clark.

I don't think you're going to get that one. Yeah. That's from a TV show. I'm pretty sure you didn't watch. But there was no better option for that actor, unfortunately. I'm sure. Joaquin Phoenix A-24. Why can't I remember this?

This is probably also really obvious. I'm trying to think of maybe a better one for Allie Pfefferman for you. Let's see. Allie Pfefferman is from a TV show, if that helps. Yeah. like a family TV show Caroline Sackler I literally was about to say that

Were you going to say that? Okay Maybe I'm just getting hung up on Joaquin Phoenix in an A-24 movie Because that feels like That would be the internet's favorite movie And I can't think Strangely it wasn't

I will say The reception to this movie was Muted It was also very recent Oh Oh, it's come on, come on Come on, come on The Pfeffermint is transparent

It's Gabby Hoffman, yes, very good And Caroline Sackler is Adam's sister and girls Yes, yes All right, back to George, yours are Dr. Chase Meridian, the penguin, and the Joker Okay All Batman's but from the same movie Wait, so the penguin is...

Okay, oh wait, I have a question. I don't know comment. Is Chase Meridian a Batman character? Yes. Okay. See, I'm very ignorant when it comes to Batman characters. Okay, but the penguin, I guess, would either be Danny DeVito or Colin Farrell.

Joker would be either Joaquin Phoenix or Jared Leto. The technicality I'll say with the Joker is technically credited as unseen Arkham prisoner, but we know he's the Joker. Oh, my God. All right. Is this like from, is this from the Batman and it's like an uncridden? Okay, okay, okay. Yes.

Yeah. I'm going to give you a better one. Well, then that actually, okay, go ahead. I was going to say, I figured Dr. Chase Meridian would work for you, but it did not. No, no, no. I mean, it's my fault. It's like not, it's like not. I'm sure it's not a difficult character.

But wait, but that makes me think that if one of them is from the Batman, then at least I can say that the penguin is not Colin Farrell. or maybe I can't Give him someone else for Chase Merritt. Is it like Is it Colin Farrell? Yes, it is. Okay, so then A24

Colin Farrell How about Yes Oh God, this is too This one's too easy Isabel Archer Is it killing of a sacred deer? It's killing of a sacred deer

I'm trying to give you a Nicole Kidman character that's not Virginia Woolf. Wait, so, oh my God, is Nicole Kidman the Joker? Oh, she's chasing a radio. I was like, what? You just made about probably 80% of our listeners' heads explode because you made them imagine what Nicole Kidman's The Joker would be like. The Joker is played by Barry Keegan and that very late scene.

God, can you imagine what the Lady Gaga movie is going to be like? Hell, it's going to be fucking hell. I cannot imagine. I mean, it is truly like, talk about, I know everyone's always like this. It's like a Twitter joke come to life, but truly that is something that like every gay guy we know on Twitter would make as a joke. It's just going to be, the act of making that movie is going to be yet another art project, and it's going to be amazing to watch. I'm, I'm, dare I say, excited, and I hated that first movie. So, all right, Chris, Roger Greenberg.

Henry McHenry and Marion Davies. Marion Davies is Naomi Watts in King Kong. Greenberg is Ben Stiller in Greenberg. This is while we're young. Yeah, but you got it the wrong way. That's very funny. Roger Greenberg, yes, Marian Davies is Amanda Seifred. Oh, Marion Davies is Seifred.

In Mank, but you still got it. It's still while we're young. I got it. Good job. Henry McHenry is Adam Driver in why can't I come up with the name of the movie the musical from literally last year whose name I can't remember.

Oh, Annette. Annette. Yes. We love Annette. Yes. All right. George. Amy March, Cheedy Adengone, and Eustace Scrub.

Is, okay, Cheedy is from the Good Place. Yes. Oh, God. Something Jackson, Harper. William Jackson. and a Harper. William Jackson Harper. William Jackson Harper. William Jackson Harper. Amy March. Oh, my God. This is where I get all the March sisters confused. Wait. Oh, Bidsomar. It's Midsomar. It's Florence Pugh. And then who's the third one? Eustace Scrub is Will Polter from the Narnia movies. Oh, wow. Yes. All right. Christopher.

Yours are David Copperfield. Princess Eccaterina Kitty Alexandrovna Shcherbatskaya and then Seema Patel I don't know why I played myself giving myself that whole name to read that was dumb on my arm

David Copperfield Yeah Is that like Daniel Radcliffe Sorry go ahead Do you have it George It's just crazy that I Immediately knew who that was Because that movie truly like kind of came and went

It did. Definitely came in with it. What's the second name? Princess Akaterina Alexandrovna Shurabatskaya. That's a war in peace character, right? Not quite, but you're real close. What's the other, not war in peace, but... Oh, is this Kira Knightley for Anna Kerenina? No, she plays Anna Kerenina.

Is... Oh, sorry. Is it Alicia V. Kander? It's Alicia Vekander, yeah. Is it Ex Machina? It's not. What other Vekander movie is A-24? Seema Patel is from a television show from last year that I'm not entirely sure if you watched.

No, that is, Seema is from, isn't that and just like that? Yes. Yeah, I love Sarita Chowdhury. Yes. Elisa Vikander, Sarita Chowdhury And a male lead in Who played All right

In the interest of time I'm going to let other people steal If it goes on a little bit more So I'm going to let George steal Are you Is that okay Chris? Yes, absolutely It's Dev Patel and it's the Green Knight

It's Dev Patel and it's the Green Knight George gets on it All right Back to George That's right I hated that day Opportunity to take a lead Wait you hated Green Night

no i hated oh right you hated that david copperfield yes all right uh george yours are senator diane feinstein francis hastings and dr manhattan all right well this is my punishment for getting too uh too cocky i got the seal if he can't get it though okay diane feinstein somewhat recently diane feinstein yeah no right right right right it's the like that movie the report or something yes is it edie falco no what am i even thinking of is it um diana the report uh okay what are the other ones francis hastings and dr manhattan okay doctor man oh is this um uh 20th century women it's 20th century women, yes.

Francis Hastings is Greta Gerwig and Francis Ha, Dr. Manhattan. That's right, of course. Is Billy Crude up in... I got it from Dr. Manhattan, yeah. There you go, from the Watchmen. Giant Feinstein isn't upending, of course. Of course, of course, yeah. I mean, Hedy Falco is not a terrible guess. Not a terrible guess. Not at all.

I was trying to think of... Also, if her name is Francis Hastings, we all, as a culture have collectively been pronouncing the movie wrong. It's not Francis Ha, it's Francis Hay. Francis Hay. gay remake of Francis Ha on the way. I'm always sexy. Edie Falco's version of Hillary Clinton in impeachment is not anybody, so she very well might

have been playing Diamond's like, probably, who knows? All right, Chris, yours are Envy Adams, Luca Paguro, and Elizabeth Proctor. I know what Elizabeth Proctor is. Elizabeth Proctor is the Crucible. So that's Joan Allen. This is Room. Yes. Got it from the last one.

I would not have gotten that. Envy Adams is Brie Larson from. I'm guessing Sucker Punch. Scott Pilgrim. And Luca Paguro is... The Chase and Tromblay is like a Star Wars extra. Yes. All right.

Back to George. Your next one is Alexander the Great, Lady Sarah Churchill, Duchess of Marlborough, and Queen Elizabeth the Second. Okay, Alexander the Great is Colin Farrell. Yes. Right? Yes. Lady, who's the lady?

Lady Sarah Churchill, Duchess of Marlborough. Oh, oh, love and friendship. No? No, not love and friendship. Wait, who is that in love and friendship, Chris? What's her character's name? Lady, no, that's not Lady Marlboro. That is...

Vernon. Lady Vernon, yeah. Yes, anyway. Damn it. Okay. And then what's the third one? Queen Elizabeth the second. From, let's say, television.

Uh-huh. Okay. Would that be Olivia Coleman? It would be Olivia Coleman. Okay, so Olivia Coleman and Colin Farrell. Yes. Wait. Colin, was Colin Farrell the favorite?

No. But you're on the right track. filmmaker-wise. Oh, okay. Oh, wow. I got both Lantimos. Um, uh, okay, okay, the lobster. The lobster, yes. Lady Sarah Churchill, Duchess Marlborough is Rachel

Weiss's character in The Favorite. Ah, okay. Yes. All right. Back to Chris. Yours are Sugar Plum, Chuck Beres, and Carrie White. Uh, various Carrie Whites include Chloe Grace Morettes. and Sissy Spasek, obviously, the legendary Sissy Spacec. Can't think of a Sissy that is in A-24, so I'm guessing it's Chloe Grace Moretz.

You are correct. What were the first two? Sugar Plum and Chuck Barris. Chuck Barris. What's your association with sugarplum? What does that conjure up in your mind? Is this somebody from the cast of the Nutcrack? are in the Four Realms.

Uh-huh. Is it Guguamabatha Raw? It's not. Is it, um... Is it Kiranightly? It's Kiranightly. This is laggies. This is laggies.

A movie I still need to see. Which I've never seen. It's good. I liked laggies. Chuck Barris was Sam Rockwell in Confessions of a Dangerous Mind. Yes. All right.

Back to George. Yours are Lara Croft, Po Dameron, and Bill Weasley. Is this Ex Machina? This is Ex Machina. Okay. Yes, very good. Lara Croft, Alicia Vikander,

Poe Damran, Oscar Isaac, and Star Wars'es. And Weasley is Donald Gleason. Dominal Gleason, yeah, yeah, yeah. Donald Gleason. All right, Chris, Tom Buchanan, Coretta Scott King, and Capable. Tom Buchanan is Joel Edgerton in the Lerman Great Gatsby. Yep.

Koretta Scott King is Carmen de Jogo in Selma. this is it comes at night a movie that I think only I liked I still never seen it I still never seen it I didn't care for it capable is Riley Keo's character's name in Mad Max Fury Road All right George your last one Which I believe means you can clinch it with a correct answer here

Linda Partridge, Barton Fink and Polly Bleaker Oh these are so obvious and yet I'm blank A Barton Fink is John Torto yes uh what's the first one linda partridge man and what's the third one polly bleaker

oh god um i mean i poly bleaker is such an obvious name and yet i'm just like not able to place it for some reason you can steal. It's Gloria Bell. It is Gloria Bell. It is Michael Sarah in Juneau.

Linda Partridge is Julianne Moore in Far From Heaven. Of course. All right. Chris, now you can clinch. Yours are Dr. Donald Shirley, Miss Moneypenny and G.I. Julie. Money Penny is Naomi Harris. This is Moonlight. This is Moonlight.

Yes. Dr. Donald Shirley is Mahershala Ali in Green Book. And G.I. Julie is Janelle Monet. And, of course, welcome to Marwin. I mean, talk about, wow. What a moment in time that was. What a moment in time indeed. All right.

Well done, you guys. It was like, it was a joke that somehow had no staying power. Like, if someone said that on Twitter or something, I would. Because nobody wanted to watch the movie so that they could make the jokes about it. Even though it was, just the idea of the movie was inherently so funny, but it doesn't matter. It wasn't even good enough to be a joke Right, right It failed on even that level

Yes, it's totally true All right, well done to both of you What a game, what a moment, what a life What a moment I'm sort of perusing my notes now Any last thoughts about the movie itself I was going to bring up The Women Film Critics Circle Awards

Gave this The win for What is the name of this category again? worst female images in a movie against the nominees Lee Daniels the butler Lovelace, the Linda Lovelace biopic starring Amanda Seifred

and Machete Killes. I think that's a little bit of a harsh distinction. 2013 was a crazy time. We didn't know what was going on. Really? Like, honestly, we had just blown it at the midterms the year before. It was a real transitional period

between the bad celebrity media environment of the past and the good one of today. Yes, that's the perfect no notes, no issues. Yeah, exactly. Oh, in addition to all the other, when we were talking about all the songs, this also has Bad Girls, the MIA song, Bad Girls, which again, like only really exists in the form of TV shows and trailers from vaguely 2012 through 2015. I remember it being in the for a good time call trailer, if I'm not mistaken, which like another sort of time capsule movie.

What else do I have? Permissive Moms, Israel Broussard, yada, yada, yada. Oh, I did see this at, I don't know why I wrote this down, but I did. I saw this movie at Bamrose Cinema in like a very, Like, very full screening. I remember we had to, like, sit in, like, the second or third row in, like, that big room. I don't know, George, if you've ever been to the big room at the...

Yes, I think I saw Black Panther there. There we go. Like, the big, like, the opera, like the... Yes. The one that, like, if you sit too far to the side, and I like to sit too far to the side, you're not really flush with the screen at all. Like, you're, like, it's almost like a wing to the side. But, yeah. I remember that experience being like, oh, wow.

Like, this is, like, I guess if you're going to find the place that's going to sell out for the new Sophia Coppola movie. I was about to say, even today, it's probably a good area for you to hit. Like, that would not happen for On the Rocks, no offense. Right. No, true. Also, my best, all-time best choice for what would your drag name be is Bamrose Cinema. Like, I feel like that is, that's my winner of all-time, Bamro Cinema. It would kill.

Cast me on Secret Celebrity Drag Race. season three. By the way, secret celebrity drag race is a time and a half. I'm enjoying myself thoroughly. There are no stakes. Who is on it besides Loretta Devine? I did hear about Loretta Devine. Taylor Dane was revealed as the second eliminated drag queen. I thought I saw some type of suggestion that it is now basically like the masked singer. Yeah, they're keeping secrets as you go along. If you're paying attention, you know who these people are. But also, like, you just absolutely do not have to like care about the competition you don't have to take sides you don't have to be like this show used to be good and now it's too it's just like it's pure serotonin and watching spoiler

daniel francis like just lip sync to mombo italiano and like who's like who's complaining about that not me so highly reckon so they are done up so much that you can't tell who they are how do you not know who they are i don't know about can't tell who they are like most of like Like, almost everybody. But there's some kind of reveal, meaning you're not meant to know that it's Taylor Day. You're not meant to know that they are. All the like backstage footage is filmed from behind them. Oh, my God.

Like you're, you're, you are nominally kept in the dark. I will say of the shows of summer 2020, where you are kept in the dark about the truth about the contestants, ABC's claim to fame. The best show of summer 2020 is the better one. You love that show. Secret Celebrity Drag Race does get the thumbs up for me. So, anyway. Anyway, the bling ring. Yes, the bling ring.

Any final thoughts, George? Thank you so much for being our Sophia Coppola course. I'm so happy your year. I'm trying to think if I have any final thoughts. I mean, I really did. Like, the one thing I came wanting to really talk about was that gay character. And I understand. I totally get where you're both coming from in terms of, like, there should have been more.

But, like, there is something that is almost so effortless. about like the fact that she doesn't even give him one it's almost like he's so it's he's like a part of he's taken for granted to a fault like there's not even one scene where he's like trying to come out to someone or right he's you know he he doesn't even get to like rob anybody's houses that he wants to go rob like i was i kept thinking about that of like whose house does mark want to rob like have we ever given that consideration like and i wonder in like late aughts, like, who would that even have been? Like, who would, like, a young

quasi-closited queer kid, like, want to idolize slash also Robb at that point? Yeah. I mean, listen, Orlando Bloom comes close. Orlando Bloom's not a bad one, honestly. Like, that's pretty good. That's pretty solid. I did want to... I mean, I guess it is interesting that

two of the actresses truly basically did nothing else. I am interested. As someone who no longer watches the Ryan Murphy stuff. What is Tysa Farminga up to? She's showing up in like stuff. Like she keeps showing up in hold on a second. Let me back my way

up to Bling Ring. Because obviously still in like various Ryan Murphy things but I just saw her in. What did I just see her in? Oh well obviously she's in the Gilded Age. She's not like anybody's favorite part

of the Gilded Age but she's definitely on the Gilded Age. age playing a character who's like... What is anyone's favorite part of the Gilded Age? Everybody who watches the Gilded Age seems to hate absolutely everything about it. He doesn't even have anything nice to say about Baranski. Untrue. Like, this is a show with Christine Baranski and Donna Murphy. Like, there are plenty of things to like about the Gilded Age.

And they're only adding more Tony winners. That's the thing. They are just like going around the city like with like a bee, like a beekeepers. Yeah. Something just like snatching Tony Nomination. it's crazy um oh chris she was in the mule we did talk about her when we did our episode oh right because she's the she's the like perfect angel granddaughter you know yeah as a as a grandfather of a granddaughter that's what that fucking movie is yeah but she doesn't work a ton but

she is playing about 10 years younger than she actually is on the gilded age so uh there's that is she like, if she like 15 with pigtails and bows in the Gilded Age, I might watch it. Yeah, like basically, yes. Yes. She's doing preteen drag. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Also, she was in that terrible movie from two Sundancees ago, John and the

Hole. Remember John in the Hole, Chris? I would like to not remember John. Did that movie ever get released? Oh, my God. Yes, it did by IFC. That was like, that was Sundance 2020, right? Yes. Yes. Because it was like the first virtual Sundance to remember because I was like, oh. Sundance 2021. It was the first virtual

sentence. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know that nobody cared about that movie because nobody, no gay people were making fun of the title of that movie. Yeah. Also, for Chris to hated Jennifer Ely movie is a lot. It's just a lot, I'm just going to say, so. Listen, there are, there are a few greater sins than misusing Jennifer Ely. Yeah. Do not waste that woman's time. Yeah. All right. That's it. That's all for me. Joe, would you like to explain the IMDB game for our list? Oh, sure. Yeah, why not? Well, It's an every week kind of thing. Every week we end our episodes with the IMDB game,

where we challenge each other with an actor or actress and try and guess the top four titles that IMDB says they're most known for. If any of those titles are television, voice-only performances, or non-acting credits, we mention that up front. After two wrong guesses, we get the remaining titles, release years as a clue. And if that is not enough, it just becomes a free-for-all of hints. That's the IMDB game. George, as our guests, you get to choose not only if you want to give or guess first,

but in which direction to who you want to give to or guess from? I will guess first. I will go in the direction that is on my screen, so I will, Chris, you tell me, and I will guess from you. Okay, so for you, I went into the Sophia Coppola filmography. We talked about, gave some sideways glances to, perhaps some defense of, on the rocks. and for you, I have chosen the star of On the Rocks, Rashida Jones.

Okay, are there, I assume there is... There's one television. Okay, so Parks and Rec. Parks and Rec, correct. God, what is Rashida Jones in? Is there a cartooner? Or wait, I'm not allowed to ask that. Is there...

There's no animated stuff. There's no, okay. Um, okay. Rashida Jones. I will say, I'll give you a little bit of hinting. I can't even think about like what the big thing she's been in it. I'm like, to me she is so Parks and Rec, even though I do remember her. So, okay, yeah, please give me a hint.

She's a titular character of one of these. Okay. Another one, it is a best picture not. and then there's like a dude comedy okay the one where she's the titular character she co-wrote it yeah oh and there is there's only one TV yes just Parks and Rick oh wait social network is the Oscar nominee yes the social network um I It's the one I know she

Didn't she write I mean this is not it But didn't she write like Toy Story 4 or something That is true She did write like She does have like some odd writing credits Yes Toy Story 4 being one of them But that's not on the

Okay I Could not tell you another one she wrote She also wrote that Excellent Black Mirror episode with Bryce Dallas Howard Oh my god Really? I didn't know that Apparently wow

All right, well, I'm going to This titular character One, she's starring Opposite somebody who is also More Known for TV But he is also a titular character Oh, you know, this is This like sounds familiar, but there's literally no way

I've ever going to get it. I'm going to I'm going to just throw away a guess and say on the rocks Okay, it's not on the rocks That movie is from 2012 The other movie is from 2009 The 2009 movie is like very much of like a mid to late aughts type of comedy starring two men Who did a lot of comedies around this time Oh is it I Love You Man

It's I Love You Man right and so I'm missing the 2012 one I mean I I know that this is like truly like Nick Nora's Infinite Playlist, but not that. But I will never remember the name. So I'm going to get it. I think that kind of counts. Can you name the actor she is with, who is also more famous for TV? Oh, Andy Sandberg.

Yes, okay. So you got it. It's Celeste and Jesse forever. Oh, my God. It is literally Nicanora's Infinite Playlist. Yes, it's actually that. It's kind of a cute movie, as I recall. I enjoyed it.

Ari Greeners in it playing one of their, friends and or sister right um okay wait so now i'm asking joe okay let me think um i can also do i'll do a or actually you know what we can go in reverse order if you want to find someone to blow no no i'll think of one on the spot um i'm just trying to think of a good connection you know what i will do tisa's aunt sister or cousin sister sister Vera? Yeah, sister. Wow.

I will do. Wow, that's crazy. Yeah. I got to say, this is actually not a difficult one, but I'll do Vera Formiga. Vera Formiga. Okay. Up in the air. Yes.

The departed? Yes. Oh, oh, the Conjuring. no really it's actually it's actually made so much money there is one more that is on the obvious side but but it is weird that none of well i'll stop none of none of the conjuring i mean i i imagine if it wasn't the conjuring one it wouldn't be the conjuring too um we got a rescue vera from me from this damn what is going on yeah she's drowning in money so i don't know if she necessarily wants to be when she got that oscar nomination it was totally like oh yeah she's gonna get another one Yeah. And, like, now it's, like, probably not. Yeah. All right.

All right, Vera. What else besides... I feel like she's in another horror adjacent thing, right? You're warm. What was it? It's honestly kind of an iconic one. It's orphan, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm not your fucking mommy. Which they're now, aren't they now doing... Isn't there now a prequel or a sequel or a sequel? There's a prequel out. now that is in theater right there on paramount plus can't wait to watch um all right so the fourth vera i mean i can actually it would be funny if i told you what her character's name was because it is funny it's like a funny name it's mother oh um they literally call her mother um mother.

Guess who's back in the house? I'm saying. Back in the house. To me, this is a movie that exists only a name, but to other people, that's not the case. Really? Okay. To other people that's not the case,

but you are absolutely right. This is a movie that exists only as a title. Have I seen it? Chris? I would bet that you probably have. We could do it for this podcast, but I don't want to do that. It feels. like a this head Oscar Bose movie

100%. She plays like the main character's mother and like flashback. I don't know if it's flashbacks. I haven't seen this movie. But yes. Okay. Yeah. Based on a Y.A. novel. Oh.

Is she? But like a prestige one. Yeah. Middlebrow YA. So not like fault in our stars. Yeah. Like more highbrow than. fault in our stars more low brow than you know higher brow but for fifth graders yes i mean it's

funny if you didn't say that i actually just knowing what i know i wouldn't have guessed that it was y a i mean i think no no no i'm i'm sure you're right but i truly to me it's like oscar movie that right it's a subject matter that the oscars go for or that we predict the austers to go for interesting so like contemporary no like his

like like uh like 19th century kind of a thing no let me see not 19th century

but not contemporary okay so early 20th century yes it's a time period that the Oscars generally like is it like a like a because of

Winn-Dixie kind of a thing no it's not but name wise i mean it's like might as well be but no i don't don't think too hard about that yeah oh god okay i'm what are some other what are some other subject matters that the academy uh cynically responds to world war two yes yes yes so she's some soldier's mother Y.A. World War II. Why am I not getting this? Get more granular on World War II. Like the Holocaust.

Yes. Y.A. The Holocaust. And it's not the Amanda Lestenberg movie where she calls in love with a knocking. Listen, I'm not saying a thing about Amanda Lestenberg, because I value. my that's right yeah she can't come for us by sending us a private DM right um wait but like no a private DM is an exertion of no no no no it's we are at the hour 48 minute mark it's true we can't we cannot it is also not the book thief which actually we couldn't do because that's all right

the book thief oh is it um um oh wait maybe the book thief is the one that I'm thinking of um think of think of title title like uh you know i'm trying to think of a similar title is it like the boy in the striped pajamas yes the boy in the striped pajamas i had no idea she was in that movie i had absolutely no idea that's very funny that regardless you gravitated to that immediately gravitated is a strong word for eventually lumber in the straight pajamas i'll just throw it out there Wow. Incredible. Wow. All right. That was a workout. That was good. All right. Thank you, George. For Chris, I also went down the root of former Sophia Coppola stars in her movies. I went to The Virgin Suicides as Tripp Fontaine in that movie is Mr. Josh Hartnett with great hair in that movie.

Chris, what are the known for for Josh Hartnett? The faculty? Yes. Excellent. I was going to be really mad if it wasn't there. Pearl Harbor? No. Not Pearl Harbor.

Interesting. Take that, Michael Bay. Based on a Y.A. novel, Pearl Harbor. Hmm. What other Josh Hartnets? Why can't I remember a single Josh Hartnett movie? If I get one wrong, it always throws me off. there's other teen movie is the virgin suicides there no strike two all right so you're missing ones

are 2001 2006 2007 so bling ring era wasn't he in like a vampire movie indeed he was what is the vampire movie is that 2007 yes it's like late stage heartnet before he like kind of goes away yeah what was that there's a number in the title yeah a number in the title there's a number in the title that like weirdly relates to another movie he made like five years earlier that is not a vampire movie. It's not like lucky number

sloven. There's a, well, okay, you accidentally just stumbled ass backwards into getting lucky number sloven, so there you go. That's the 2006 movie. One has a number and one has the word number. The word number? Oh, lucky number. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh.

And the other one you're looking. Yeah, yeah. All right, so yes, the horror movie has a number in the title that oddly dovetails with another Josh Hartn movie that is not... Oh, my God, that's right. Yeah. And then the other one was a...

Oh, 40 Days and 40 Nights. Is the comedy. So what's the vampire movie? 40... No. Oh, my God. 40 vampires. Or 30 days of night. 30 days of night is the vampire movie.

Yes. All right. So your 2001 movie was an Oscar nominee. Multiple Oscar nominee, but one in a pretty major spot. This is 2001. Yeah. What was he in in 2001? Oh, it's Black Hawk Town.

It's Black Hawk Down. He is one of the many handsome movie stars. He's on the damn poster. Is he the guy on the poster? Yeah, I guess he is. Pretty sure that's him. Yes, you're exactly right. Yep. God, everybody's in that movie, though. Jesus Christ. That's one of those ones where it's just like cast as many again handsome young movie stars shave their heads throw them in the army uniform and crash

him in a helicopter it's very jarhead in that way it is very jarhead in that way except without a uh Santa hat and thong listen I mean we all remember where we were we truly like you can't tell me that wasn't made specifically for me at that stage in my life talk about what was what was the website you mentioned that was the Hollywood gossip aggregator because like OMG.jahoo.com. Guaranteed they had. But this is more DailyMotion.com

just the scene of of Jake Jill and Holland is underwear. This is Toll Road. This is... Yes, yes, toll road. OMG blog. OMG blog, absolutely.

Yeah. Daily Motion is, as I said to someone else recently in a recorded format is where you go for queer as folk, season two, sex scenes only. I was going to say, I... The last time I went to Daily Motion to watch something is not that long ago.

Like, I will still, it's a last resort, but, like, I will definitely go to that last resort. It's impossible to search for something, but, like, if you find something, it's, like, found gold. It's incredible. It's like a time machine. It's, like, walking through an actual, like, time portal. And it's just, like, Daily Motion still exists, and it still has, yeah, right. You're, like, British queerist folk. or like a reality show from like the early 2000s

that just doesn't exist anywhere including YouTube it's great it's fantastic love it George thank you so much for coming back to us we love you I love you guys too it is it is an honor we should mention Stradio Lab is coming back from it's coming back on Tuesday by the time this podcast we're recording like a month in advance yeah oh great so yes so Stradio Lab is out please listen to our latest episode that is my

podcast that I host with Sam Taggart and it's about straight culture and each episode is about a different element of straight culture.

The courage that you two both exhibit in taking straight culture on as directly as you do. It's heroic. And by this time

well I won't spoil the topics but we've now been like banking them so I know what the next two topics are going to be. You guys weren't

kidding around with the the press photos and imagery that you went to. I lost my mind. I love this so much. It really like we, it was the first time in our entire lives when we had.

I mean, budget is generous, but we just had some money. And we were like, well, we're doing it. Yep. Fantastic. I also have to say, the earnestness bonances always come exactly when I fully need.

I literally texted this to George, Very recently. I genuinely needed this right now. That makes me very happy to hear. We feel very stupid when we do them, and we're like, oh, God, this is humaniting. I love them. I love them so much. Yeah, very happy with that.

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