This Had Oscar Buzz - 229 – Magic Mike XXL (with Pamela Ribon!)

Episode Date: February 6, 2023

Listeners, are you ready to be exalted?! This week, we welcome back author, screenwriter, Listen to Sassy co-host, and now OSCAR NOMINEE Pamela Ribon. And to welcome her back we’re going on a road trip with some exotic male dancers for Magic Mike XXL. The somewhat surprising sequel to the 2012 original (previously discussed on … Continue reading "229 – Magic Mike XXL (with Pamela Ribon!)"

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that he yelled at you for saying something mean about Andy McDowell and four weddings and a funeral. We were in college. Biggs still comes up. Oh, love you, Jeff. I love that Andy McDowell at least gets to play Andy McDowell once in her career. She sure does. She plays the exact same character also in Beauty Shop. If you've seen Beauty Shop, it's the exact same character, which is really fantastic.

That is a discernible trait that, like, there is a scripted character on the page that she showed up and gave her Andy McDowell a thing. 100%. This, Stephen Soderberg, not directing this movie, still went up to her and be like, you know, you could just be yourself. Not directing. Not direct. I'm so glad I saw the quotes. Okay, because when I saw the, when I saw the document, I was like, hmm. Yeah, yeah, sort of. We're everywhere. I'm so sorry. We'll talk about it. Yes. As you have heard, though, listeners, we will waste absolutely no time. We do have a guest once again this week, making her grand return after the Shop Girl episode. Eons, go, at least one pandemic ago. We are happy to have her back screenwriter, author of the book, Notes to Boys, and other things I shouldn't share in public, listen to Sassy, co-hosts, and creator and writer

of the animated short film, My Year of Dix, which, as we are recording, is on the shortlist for the Academy Award for Best Animated Short Film. We'll know by the time we're listening to this episode whether that nomination has happened. Pamela Ribbon, welcome back. Thank you. I have Oscar buzz. You are our first guest. Yes.

Current. Not past yet. No. Present tense. You have Oscar buzz. I technically shouldn't be on this show until later. Because I currently still. I'm in the now.

You are in the thick of your Oscar buzz era. I only have a couple days left before it's potentially over and we move into past heads. But the votes are all in. There's nothing one can do, but sit here. I know. And breathe. And I have to say, as the days have gone by, they've gotten harder. Yeah.

Yes. As it gets closer and closer to it. Yes. Last week, I was like, there's nothing to be done. All the votes are in. It's just waiting. And now I'm like, there's nothing to be done all the votes are. Well, and it's the nominations, to me at least, and I'm somebody who has never had Oscar

Buzz personally, but just as an observer, the nominations always seem to come very quickly. where I'm like, we're already at Oscar nominations, like, what's going on? And I imagine if I were in the position of enjoying the sort of liminal space of being on a shortlist and before the nominations come out, that it would seem like very quickly, like, oh, so soon. Yes, the shortlist was December 21st. That's very few weeks to put together another campaign. Because in this case, in the short list, what were there, 80 qualifying animated short films from around the world? And then the short list was 15.

And so that is often the first time anybody's looking at a list at all. So then you're like, remember I've been talking about it for like a year? If you've missed it. This is the only chance I have to show you why we're on this list. Putting together like, you know, everything from a party to interviews. to, and also now, you know, let's talk about best animated short film. It's so at the bottom of the list, it's often not even in anyone's predictions, and there's somewhere they're just like, I just write down my favorite title.

You know what I mean? No one really gives a shit. And that's an interesting place to be on an Oscar buzz situation where you're like, and me, like you're in the back. We did it. I will say your film does jump off of the page as a title more than that. anybody else's. So I'm hoping that that gives you a little bit of an advantage. There are good titles, though, this year. There are some other catchy titles. But there are also... Everything, though,

that I'm hearing about this category, Pam, there's no Pixar in the mix this year. There's no Netflix in the mix this year. And those have been two of the big heavy hitters in that category. There's no Pixar, Disney, DreamWorks, Illumination, or Netflix. But there is an Apple, J.J. Abrams, production so motherfuckers yeah what are you going to do that it also has a title they all have titles and they're also quite good films all all 15 are are i love so listen as somebody who watches every single nominated film every year i always look forward to the animated shorts they never they very rarely let me down so um yes and it is if i can just say yes i was just going to say it's an honor to be nominated to be nominated

As true as you said it, as soon as you said that, I'm like, yeah, that sounds like it would be, yes. It is. It really is. I need to know what Francis Fisher is doing to support your campaign, though, because Francis Fisher is very active in the Andrea Rysborough campaign. Time is up the essence. I noticed. I, she really is a little busy.

Everybody is. I've called everybody, and they're like, I'm on the two Leslie thing, and it's a whole thing. I assume CAA is busy calling everyone. And that's, you know, again. She did a good job. It's true. Yeah. She's great and too.

I watched the movie this week. I actually think it's a good movie with a very good performance. It does seem like a little bit like a pyramid scheme in terms of the tell two friends and they'll tell two friends and they'll tell two friends nature of this campaign. You know why? Similarly to us, because I read an article about why is it like this, similarly to us, they don't have any money? They don't have any money. So that's all you can do is start an MLM because that's all you have. it's uh my MLM stands for word of mouth of the spelled with an L and I yeah it's all I have

too with Dix like please tell seven friends because I don't I am the bank I'm the bank the Andrew Riceboro story now to me is like it's less that this is happening and more like why isn't this happening for other like why doesn't everybody do this because like maybe you should if it's getting this kind of attention like well there are rules there are actual rules And for the, you know this. You've got to know this. I'm sure they send you a whole packet. Did they send you a whole packet?

I wouldn't say they send me a whole packet. And a lot of times you're just contacting them being like, is this okay? But you're all these rules about campaigning. And sometimes you're like, no, I'm just talking to my friend. They're like, no, that's campaigning. So you just sort of don't. Like you kind of hands off. So you have to like, you have to hold the event and let them come to you kind of a thing.

Is that the deal? Like you're going to hold a dog. You can actually ask someone to vote for. you. I know that that is a rule. Yeah. Correct. And the event has rules. And once the nominations come out, new rules, like you can't have, here's one, you can't have food and drinks at any screenings after the nomination. No parties. No parties. Like, it's just on in a room. I don't know what's happening. I'm not even in there. Who knows? I don't know what's going on. Anything could, anything could be on that screen as far as I'm saying. Anything. Yes, it might be Magic Mike,

double XL, which would be a good double feature with my ear of dicks, I have to say. Honestly, yes. It's funny because I asked you to do this episode, we were kind of already planning to do Magic Mike Double XL because the third movie is going to be in theaters when this episode comes out. So I sort of floated this idea like, hey, Pam, because we were like, we should have you on the show and you're in the midst of Oscar buzz. What would you think of Magic Mike Double XL and the all caps nature of your reply was

basically the only answer that I needed to know is like, yeah, that was a good idea. All right, very good. I don't think you finished typing the second X. I don't think I did. And I was like, and I was like, I'm a man. That's good. I have so many words. Well, we couldn't be happier to have you.

Thank you. I am, I have too much to say about Magic Mike double Excel. So you'll just let me know when to stop. Excellent. Well, yes, we'll give you the hand signal. We'll give you the hook. Okay. Excellent.

We will be like, yeah, we'll be like the orchestra playing you off of the stage. Thank you. Oh, it'll be good practice. It'll be good practice. Exactly. Right. We are going to be so obnoxiously crowing about, like, how we helped. We were on the road to Oscar success.

You are our first Oscar buzzed guest. I'm thrilled. If this succeeds, we can bring them all else in. So, like, that's, come on, Rachel Weiss. something in the works, like get on over and be on our podcast. Andrea, come on the show. 100%. Absolutely.

You could spawn a second podcast called You Will Have Oscar Buzz. Exactly. And then you can just talk about your own campaign. That's on our business cards. That's what we hand to people. It's just like, you will have Oscar Buzz if you follow this prescribed path. Yeah. Yeah.

If it's 100% effective as of next week, we'll find out. Exactly. Hopefully. Or else we'll just be like pariahs in the podcast. guest in community, then. It would be like nobody will touch it. We don't want that. We don't want that happening.

Chris, talk about why we wanted to talk about Magic Mike XXL. Why wouldn't we want to talk about Magic Mike Double XL? One of the masterpieces of the past decade. Great movie. Also, Magic Michael is about

to have his last dance, supposedly, coming soon to theaters. As I was watching, this movie, though, it's like, we can't, there can never be a last dance for Magic Mike. Like, I started getting very, I should just be grateful that we're getting another Magic Mike, but I started feeling like emotional that there would be an end to this saga ever, that like, it should just be going on in perpetuity. It should be, you know, they killed Jason in the Friday

the 13th movie. So obviously, the next one needs to be Magic Mike's lives. Right, yes. The dream child? A lightning bolt hits a rod that has been, like, that's how Jason gets revived in the one. They put a, like, metal rod through him to think that that's going to get him, and then a lightning bolt goes and revives him. The mic, the Mike and the Furious. I say don't stick to one franchise. That's true, yeah.

Well, but this is the thing. Channing Tatum has crossed franchises because he started in the first step up movie. And that is another franchise where, and this. made a few headlines in the past week talking about how he hated the G.I. Joe movies. Oh, that's right. I forgot. He's also in that. And he wanted very much to be part of the X-Men franchise. And that never happened. He wanted to have a Gambit movie. But this movie, Magic Mike Double X-L, even more so than the first one, makes me think of the step-up franchises. Because I look at Channing Tatum, beyond the fact that he's just like otherworldly hot, right? And like, that's sort of the driving purpose of this movie. He's such a good. dancer like he's so talented as a dancer and I look at this and I'm just like I just marvel at that it was just like wow you are incredible like he you know he just moves really gracefully he is a charismatic dancer that like that's like his dancing is inviting and it it is charisma

it is like yes yes it is an invitation to watch yeah it's weird that he sort of had been out of movies for a couple of years before that dog movie and the Sandra Bullock movie happened last year. He made that dog movie a pandemic hit. He is our last movie star. But like it's wild that we even allowed a like two year

fellow period or however long it was. You know what I mean? He was busy dating Jesse J. I guess so. I guess that takes a lot of your time, which you know. He was writing some children's books. That's true. Sparkella. Also, his like, best friend

or whatever, producing partner, Pal, is the guy who wrote this Magic Mike Tupleis. It does feel like there's just like, I kind of want to make another Magic Mike movie. What can we do about that? And he's just like, I'll write it for you. And Soderberg's like, I'll mostly direct it. And that's fine.

I mean, any jokes aside, too, like he was gone for a while because it just feels like, I don't, I mean, not to a soapbox about it, but it does feel somewhat like the industry failed him, too. He's so charismatic, and it's like there should be so many things, not just the magic mics of the world. There should be vehicles built around this guy that are not superheroes that aren't, you know, I don't know. If we were doing traditional musicals again, he could be a musical star.

Wasn't he, was it him that was attached to do guys and dolls with Joseph Gordon Levitt for two seconds? That sounds right. He had that thing at the Oscars where he and Charlize Theron, like, did that little dance number at the, beginning in the like, I can't remember who, who's hosting a year that was where that happened. That might have been Neil Patrick Harris hosted. But, like, Magic Mike Double XL isn't not a musical. Like, it doesn't, like, it kind of flows that way a little bit, right? Double Xll isn't just a musical.

It's a put on a show to save the barn musical, like, structurally, that's what it is. It's like, I mean, it's a road trip movie, so it's like, you know that the movie is going to end with a show. which is basically like, I mean, this is almost structured like Magic Mike's last dance to steal the title of the third one, because it's like they're getting the gang back together to do one last big thing. I mean, what more do you need in a musical? Pam, seeing this movie a second, I imagine this was at least your second time seeing this movie. How many? How many are we talking? Well, let me just say, this is the movie where if someone's like, oh, I haven't seen, then I've hit play before they've hit the end of the sentence. And absolutely no one, absolutely no one has ever said, I wish you hadn't done that. And I'm like, get your fists ready because they're going to be in the air for the next two hours.

You will not be able to stay only in your seat. You cannot. There are moments in this movie. I saw I was supposed to do a 60 second plot description. So can I try? Oh, it'll happen. Don't worry. Oh, yeah. Do you want to get to that? Okay. Let me try. Just let me try. Because we're talking about it. And if you haven't seen it, pause. Are you in a car? Get out of the car. Get out of the car. Go watch Magic Mike Double XL. There's never a wrong time to watch it. And I will say there are only two perfect sequels of the past 30 to 40 years. And they are Paddington 2 and Magic Mike Double XL. It is a perfect movie. But it is a perfect sequel because it says, oh, I'm sorry. Was it too dark? And we talked about drugs too much.

I'm going to get rid of all of that. We're going to make it louder and dancing. So, yes, it's one last time before the bank does something. It doesn't matter. And they even, in the beginning, give you a little like, where's my Matthew McConaughey answer? They never don't deliver on the promise of the premise. And it is here. What do you want?

It's this. What do you like? It's this. What feels good to you? It's this. Who do you need? Annie McDowell? You are not prepared for what will happen.

Scene by scene. The door opens. and you will get up and go, I'm blown anew. You can't. People who have never seen it before, I just love to watch it with them. So the answer is, I don't know, six.

But here's how magic, Magic Mike, double X, L is. The last time I watched it was because I was with Dan and Eric, and Eric hadn't seen it. And so it was like, we're going to put this on. And Eric would just have to just, again,

get up and walk around and go, oh my God, something's happening. Something's happening. Something's happening. And he would walk to the kitchen. He'd walk back and he'd say, something's happening. You can something's happening.

They've changed locations. They've changed locations. Something's happening. And then, but eventually, you're just screaming. Northern Florida. You're just screaming Donald Glover into a room. Just screaming. Donald Glover.

You are not prepared for what is about to happen to you at every moment. Even Amber Hurd, you can see her be genuinely shocked at some of the things that are happening to her. And that's a face that doesn't like to break an emotion. And she's just like, well, like truly everyone is. please there is so much pleasure and half of my notes are like cast member exclamation point by the time

we got to Elizabeth Banks by the end I was like oh my like did not remember that Elizabeth Banks is in this movie yeah all right because it's with Andy McDowell with Elizabeth Banks and Jada Pinkett Smith and Jada Pickett Smith yeah it is yes it's a good with my libido I will say if you don't know

Chris it's never going to end because the live show exists yes and so I wanted to talk about this because I wanted to rewatch. It was called Finding Magic Mike, right? Oh, right. The reality show. A competition show, which was fully a ruse, but just wonderful television. I had a wonderful time with that show. Yes. So, like, and that was my question about the trailer for the third one. I was like,

they're putting on an actual show. They're staging a show with dancers. Don't worry about the plot. Are you asking about plot? Stop it. But my question was, like, is the plot that they're putting on the Vegas show that already exists and now I can go see this thing. Possibly. It's an expanded universe. I want to get into the convention of it all, but we'll do that on the other end of the plot description because it's more in the weeds of the story. Chris, can you pull out your phone while I read out the basics of the... I have a stopwatch right on my computer.

All right. Pam, I'm just going to read out the basics of the film, and then you can give it your shot for 60 seconds. We're talking about Magic Mike double XL this week. It is directed by Gregory Jacobs, we'll get into it, written by Reed Carolyn, starring Channing Tatum, Joe Manganello, Matt Bowmer, Adam Rodriguez, Kevin Nash, Gabriel Agileasius, Amber Hurd, Donald Glover, exclamation point, Stephen Twitch, boss, exclamation point, Michael Strayhand, question mark, exclamation point, with Andy McDowell, with Elizabeth Banks, and Jada Pinkett Smith, exclamation points all around. It premiered on July 1st, 2015. God bless America. Chris has the timer ready for you, and you can begin when you are ready. Okay, but this is off the cuff, and I feel like I already did this. So here we go again. Here we go, anew. All right.

Hit it. Okay, so Channing Tatum is never going to forget how good it feels to dance to pony. And when he's all alone, he remembers, like, it's still in me. I got to do this. The gang is like, we're going to go and do this one last score. Like, we're going to get together. But, like, we're old and our bones hurt. And, like, we're just doing the thing.

And then he's like, but what if we change it up? Like, what if we do it to, like, make women wet? Like, what if we don't just get wet? We get them wet. Let's stop being wet and start making them wet. I'll show you at this gas station. Totally works. Everybody's wet.

Okay, everybody's wet. And then it's like, what are we going to do now? Oh, we lost fluffy. That's okay. We've got this other person. It's Jada Pinkett Smith who runs kind of a whorehouse that is just about your pleasure. Twitch is there. You can't stop screaming.

Money, money, money. and it is all about this hosting about how like naughty jada pinkett smith can talk to you anyway take it to a big giant show and and i don't know at one point there's a swing yay magic like double xl a plus 20 stars perfect film yeah great movie does this convention exist can we go this is this is my thing about it because as i'm sure i've said on this podcast before and i'm pretty sure I've said to you, Pam, before. I love any kind of movie which has a nationals of any sort where like something is the national, we're going to national. Yes. I love bring it on.

Take it all the way. Yes. That's my favorite aspect of pitch perfect is that they go to a nationals. I participated in a New York City wide trivia thing where like if you got first place, you got entered into a thing where you might go to nationals. And I'm like, I want to go to a national so bad. We didn't get a chance to go. So like the fact that this.

Stripper convention, which I don't believe is a thing that exists, but like, wouldn't it be nice? Functions as a kind of like a nationals for stripper teams. It's essentially bring it on for stripper teams. Take it off. It's called take it on. Yeah, I feel like there could be an exotic dancer. That's why she's the professional folks. That's why I'm going to nationals for film.

That is what you would. That's what I would. start calling the Oscars now. It's national. Nationals. One last time. What it reminded me of was, and especially because it takes place in the South, is

you see these like Atlanta hair competitions and like that kind of thing. That's the atmosphere that at least Jada specifically was giving me in this convention. This sort of like the lights are off and we're going to put on a show and we're going to be really theatrical

about it all. And that's the kind of vibe that I was getting, which, like, graft that vibe onto strippers and, like, thumbs are up. Like, yes, very good. Well, and it also did the thing where, like I was saying, it's not about a body coming at you and sort of making fun of sex, making fun of the moves, making fun of you being a body that is getting thrust upon or, like, which is, for me, any kind of exotic dance situation I've been in, I'm like, I don't need it at me. Like, why my nose, like, specifically?

wary about going to strip clubs in general because I'm just like, am I going to be like the person that they zero in on and being like this fat bastard needs a good night out? And it's just like, no, like maybe not. I don't know. Well, I'll tell you as a as a lady in one of these, male or female, you do end up, well, this is not now. Not now. Now I'm an invisible older woman. But in my 20s, it would be like, oh, we're going to do it all at her because she's cute and safe and we can do things on her. And I hated it eventually. Like I did hate it. Like, you know, at first you're like, Oh, I'm the bell of the ball. And then you're like, oh, no, I'm safe.

And then I moved it into, yeah, you make your money and I'll be the prop you need. I get that. Yeah. But what is fun about Magic Mike double XL is it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like, I'm doing this because I like it. Yeah. And you're doing this because you like it. And this is the moment for us to meet during the space, the safe space of it.

Like, there's so much consent going on. Yeah. And the Andy McDowell scene being, like, I guess the tip of the top of it, like, oh, are we stripping? I hadn't noticed. You know, just like all the way. That's a glass of white wine. It's just huge. It's certainly sealed to her hand. I should say the one time I was ever at a female strip club, which was like the most cliche, every bit of this is cliche, where it's like, it's my college friends bachelor weekend. So I'm in town. I'm the one gay guy in the group of straight guys. We all go to this. strip club. I'm sort of sitting off to the side while everybody else is sort of, you know, it was as a group fairly tame. Like nobody was being super like wolf wistly about it or anything like that. But I'm sort of off to the side. And one girl sort of comes up and starts dancing.

And she's like, hey, what would you like? And I'm just like, I'm the one gay guy with my group of straight guys. And she's like, oh, cool. And she like mentions this one gay bar in Buffalo that she always goes to and it's just like we ended up like having a conversation as I'm like giving her money because like I'm wasting her time otherwise I'm not so it's just like here's some money we're just going to chat about like local gamers that she's good too I went yeah I went to a bachelor at party for two women who were marrying was just just one of the women no they were both there so it was an all lesbian mostly lesbian bachelorette party with a male stripper who shows up so I wasn't expecting that and they were like this will be hilarious and fun and

whatever we're just going to like dick in my face like it's like it's funny for them like dick in my face and I just went up to him and I was like I would like to be your gopher here's a bunch of cash never touch me and I will do whatever you need and I was like I'm gonna get you a soda and some pizza and he was like super appreciate that and I just was like that was oh that's sweet it was great because he never had to like you know sometimes they're like oh she's a no that means yes And I was like, don't do any of it. Please approach me never. I don't care how much they tell you.

If they give you $200 to put your finger on me, I will triple it. At least don't touch me. Diet Coke and boneless wigs coming right up. Yeah. Fantastic. I love that. I've never been to a female stripping establishment, though I do know that in the city of Pittsburgh, you have to have one article of clothing and they do allow it to be socks.

Yes. I was just about to say that's what this guy did and I have been to a strip club in Pittsburgh so Exactly there you go There we go For me in those type of environments

it tends to be like Rick Moranis Rock walking into there So I don't really get special attention That's so weird That you just put yourself as Honey I ruined the strip club However

I would like to believe in a world where, like, I mean, I guess we do live in a world where a show like this exists. It's in Vegas. It's in Vegas. It's in London. It's in Miami. It's, uh, you're just listing all the places we're going to have to go on trips together. Yeah.

It's a non-equity tour. Yes. Bring it on. Take it off. Let's do it. This is the, this had Oscar Buzz road show. Listen, you've got the Lynn Manuel Miranda connection for bring it on. So like, let's make that sequel to that stage show happen, but our way.

Oh my God. Yes. We've really figured this out. We have figured this out. I wanted to sort of lead the Oscar buzz conversation, though, with a little bit of, like, I was watching this movie, and I'm like, we're doing this for this had Oscar buzz, and we should be. I don't know if this movie ever had any real Oscar buzz, Chris. It kind of did, because the thing about this movie was it was seen somewhat of as a box office disappointment because it only made like $65 million. It made less than the first one. Right, exactly. It made less than the original. and but when you saw towards the end of the year though you saw a lot of critics and prominent critics bringing it back into the conversation in a way that like it was reclaimed pretty quickly yes by a lot of like high end critics and by a lot of straight male critics yeah um who understand that this is on top of everything else it is also a dude's rock movie yeah it is friendship cinema it is 100% friendship cinema it be like almost more than anything. It's friendship cinema.

But the biggest part of the Oscar buzz of the first one was that McConaughey performance. He won the Independent Spirit Award for that. A lot of people were sort of pushing for that. It ended up being like the precursor to that like McConaissance run that he had with Dallas Byers Club the next year. He should have had an Oscar

nomination for that thing. 100%. I absolutely agree. It's a classic supporting actor performance. It's all classic supporting actor villain performance too at that. Yes. And this movie starts off where, and it's so funny because he gets the phone call from Tarzan, from Kevin Nash, being like, it's Dallas, man, he's gone.

And all of a sudden, and I'm literally writing down to my notes, I totally forgot that Dallas had died between these two movies. And then he gets to the- That was the Dallas-buyers club. That was. And, God, I never made that connection here. And then he gets there and it was all a ruse. and I was like, oh, right, that's why I don't remember it that way. But, like, they're like, yeah, Dallas and the Kid, who was the Oxpeter for character, like, fucked off to Europe and are, like, dancing around Europe or somewhere.

And I'm like, first of all, what a nice, clean way of just, like, getting rid of that, of the actor who wasn't going to come back and the actor who didn't work in the first one. And they're both out and, like, and pretty cleanly and quickly. Because in my mind, I sort of was like, oh, was Channing Tatum, like, the ingenue of that first one? And he's the sort of babe in the ones. It's like, no, no, no, no, no. That was Alex Pettifer. The guy who I totally forget is part of these movies. I also don't know how you would have made his character work in this movie.

Like, this movie's about a good time, and that character is not a good time. Right. Cutting him is like addition by subtraction, right? You get rid of him and all of a sudden everybody's, like, more fun. And, but now all of a sudden it's exploring these relationships that Magic Mike has with, like, Richie and the Matt Bowmer. character and whatnot. And it's like, I don't know if these relationships even existed too much in the first one, but they're like, they're handled really well. For as much as this movie is like, dicks, dicks, dicks, dance and dancing. It takes the time to be like,

yeah, like, Bomer would probably be upset with him. And, you know, Richie is kind of the big dog of this crew now. And now Mike's coming back and there's a little bit of jockeying for position. And in a fairly economical way this movie like does character stuff pretty well I think. I love that Tarzan's real name is Eugene Ernest. Ernest. Ernest. I knew

it started with an E. Props to this series two for going two full movies and not having the thing where like they walk into the room and like Tarzan's there like dead in a seat or whatever because he's like the old guy. You know what I mean? Because like I kept sort of expecting it

watching both of the movies the first time being like Oh, it's like Kevin Nash going to like die and they'll learn a lesson about like, you know. That's what that's the magic of this film. Everything you are worried is going to happen doesn't happen. But I didn't get to finish the magic of this film. So the last time I saw it, Eric's walking around unable to stop praying. Then thanks. Just prayers of thanks all over the kitchen.

And we were like, that was a good time. I get on the plane the next day to go home. And I am seated next to Big Dick Richie. And I say to this man, say to this man, as we're saying, which I only recognize that it's Joe because he's holding bubbles, his dog, that he takes everywhere. And I know this because I had seen him one year earlier, one year ago right now at the Independent Spirit Awards, where he was seated at the table next to me and we all took a picture with him and his dog. So I said, I leaned over and I said, hey, so I have this thing where I collect pictures of me and your dog. And this is our second time. Are you ready?

And he said, yes, of course. And I said, also, I just watched one of your films last night, one of your masterpieces. And, you know, so I made this happen. I conjured you here. Also, worked with Sophia in one of my first jobs ever. I was just about to bring that up, Pam. Yes, yes. You wrote for Hot Properties?

Was that the show? And I was like, and at this point, I can see him be like, oh, no, it's too much. And I was like, but also I just wrote a script for Channing. Anyway, here's a picture. Click, click. And then I sent it to Dan and Eric, and I was like, you're not going to believe this. And this is true.

When I sat down after this and saw him, my pants ripped. Now, I was wearing these new vintage pants. Pam, this is too much. I know it's too much. They're over here. I can show you. They tore apart at the thighs like a hulk. I hulked out of these green.

This is awful. Why am I telling this in public? I hulked. I sat down, hulked out, thigh out. And then I had to, like, put my coat down on my legs. the whole flight home, because there was no way I could then turn to him and be like, you just made my clothes rip off.

You're telling the story here. Don't tell anyone. Because Barbara Walters is no longer around to do a Barbara Walter special before the Oscars, so you can't tell it there. So you're telling it here, and we appreciate it. It was too much. He's so nice. His dog is so wonderful.

The dog goes everywhere. The dog is bubbles, and you can see him on all of Joe's social media. Is he like prolifically social, like prolific and Instagrammer or whatever, like he does. Yeah. Yeah. And now I have two pictures of Bubbles Joe and me, and I hope I have nine more before.

I mean, you know, Magic Mike Last Dance is coming up. Yeah. Wait, so you bring up a good point, though. What can you say about writing a thing for Channing Tatum? I am adapting Sparkella. I have written the script that we hope will get made. That's about as much as I can say. But it's wonderful working with free association, which is.

his company and all these people and that I did I did open with just nothing but not talking about Magic Mike double XL which is they were like I mean we're talking about a children's book and I was like I know but also because I can't not talk about how wonderful this film is but I was I didn't know at the time they were making a third so I had I felt like I was just like and if you make a third please please call me because if it's not called Magic Mike triple X what you fucking doing and I was like and then I was like you know what's great about that they didn't take that advice obviously And I was like, but what's great is, you know, the second one you did so perfectly where you didn't do like a dark origin story of why is Mike magic, where did you get is magic? You just like, went out here and had fun with the people who wanted to have fun with you. And I was like, and what's great is on the third one, now you can just go balls out. And I was like, you have to call it Magic Mike balls out. If you want, how could you not? How could you not? Michael. That's the fifth one, because four is Magic Mike lives. Five is Magic Mike balls out. Balls out. But they've missed this triple X in the same way that.

it, now you see me, now you don't. Like, like, I know. I'm a big proponent of now you don't. No, you don't. I'm so mad. My shoulders won't go down of the injustice of some of these titles. But anyway, it's true. Secretly, we know this one's called Balls Out, Magic Mike Triple X.

And how could they not release it on Valentine's Day? They know what they're doing all the time. I know. It's a, it's an intuitive little franchise that like knows what you're, what, you're looking for before you even realize. But that is because I think they know how to follow the joy. And I think that is what Channing is all about the movie star-ness of him is he is joyful and inviting.

So he's like, we're all having a good time. If you see him, you're like, is that him? And he's like, yep. You don't even like. So he's like, yep, we're doing it again. The fact that the big sort of spotlight star moment at the end of the movie where like the climax of this, don't pun intended, stripper convention.

I almost called it a cheerleader convention because it really is like a cheerleader convention. He shares that moment with Twitch. Like he and Twitch do like the mirror routine, which by the way, I forgot to look up who choreographed this movie. But it's such a clever like thing. And it gives Twitch this like moment to just sort of like share in.

I know that like the cameras obviously, paying more attention to Mike because he's our main character. But, like, this spectacle moment is nicely shared. I need to mention if anybody listening doesn't already know, Stephen Twitch Boss, died earlier this year or at the end of December, I can't remember, but very recently died way too soon. And he was a... So you think you could dance guy from the early seasons, and you know how much I love that show. So it is very, very sad.

And watching this movie made me a little for as much as like... This movie is like unadulterated joy. That was my one thing where it's just like that little touch of melancholy because he was such a talented dancer. And he really does like in the small role jump off the screen. And I really, really was grateful to Channing for giving him that, for sharing in that big moment in the movie with him. So yeah. All the routines are good though. All the routines in this movie are really like really creatively cleverly done.

And that's why it feels like a musical to me, because it really does move from like the gay bar that they go to, which by the way is like all of these little, this is also why it does feel like the Odyssey a little bit, right? I know I compare it after hours to the Odyssey last week, but it does feel like they're just going from like this one little realm in the kingdom or whatever to, you know, this little island where like this is the one where Andy McDowell is a siren or whatever. And this is the one where Jada Pinkett, like, rules this realm. It's an odyssey through things that they maybe didn't realize, or, like, audiences that they didn't maybe realize in the first movie that they were playing to, right? That's a good point. And that's why I think that the movie is more than just, like, a good time. It's actually a really smart movie, you know? This isn't just smooth brain because it's like they go to a gay bar.

They go to a, like, stripper club house thing that's an audience of all black women. They go to, like, the wine moms, but they're not really wine moms. They're under-sexed wine moms, you know. I was going to say, they do go get wine for the moms. They're the type of, like, most of them are the type of women that, you know, would it probably go to a strip club, but probably did go see Magic Mike. I want a new Lilith Fair, and the headliner is under-sexed wine moms. It just opens with all them like. And Amy Mann.

Yeah. Okay. That's how all their songs begin. Yeah. Okay. And they let the other thing that I like about it, though, is they let all these sequences breathe and really just sort of like they like run on their own momentum and some are shorter and some are longer. The gas station scene, I remember in my mind it was like, oh, that's like a 15 minute scene. And it's really short. He's like, he's only in there for a couple of minutes.

and it's like, you know, not even, like, it's half of I want it that way. I rewind it three times when I watched this. It's such a good, it's such a good thing because, and I had forgotten that the lead up to it is they're all rolling on Molly and trying to figure out how to like give Big Dick Ritchie his mojo back because he doesn't, like, now all of a sudden the idea that like he can't be a fireman anymore has like, it's rocked his soul. And so now they're like, you got to make this girl smile. What did we just see her in, Chris?

I just remembered... The leisure seeker. The leisure seeker, right. The only other time I'd ever seen her in anything. But, like, the best part of that scene, I mean, it's a tremendous, like, he's such a... He's a great dancer, too. But it's the other guys on the outside

scurrying from one part of the window to look in to the other part of the window to look in and cheering him on. Dude's rock, man. Dude's rock. They just really supported him in that scene, and I really liked that. I do have to say, because I, as a person coming up in the early 2000s, I am an NSYNC person, and that scene is enough to make me a backstreet person. Same.

Well, I want it that way as an unimpeachable song. I was mostly an insink person, too, but I want it that way as an unimpeachable song. And this movie was like a good reminder of that. All the songs are well chosen and that it's the few of them that are like the big hits that you remember. The ones that are a little bit more anonymous all have that same kind of like R&B fuck jam quality to that. One of them is in R. Kelly one, which like can we get HBO Max to replace the track? Well, and then it's Richie's number at Nationals, right, where it's the I Want to Marry You song that was fucking everywhere. in like that exact moment that they filmed it but then it gets it goes into nine inch nails and I was like right and that's where the that's where the um the sling comes in and it's just the well chosen I don't know my mind is now drifting I don't know it's because you're remembering you're you went into a memory I saw it I saw you were like and then the nine inch nails and then your eyes rolled back and you were watching the movie again yeah I was okay I was going to be like Allison Falk because the name

of the choreographer. Her team includes Teresa Espinoza and Luke Broadlick as in licking a lady. Come on, Luke. Luke lick a lady to nine with some input

from Channing Tatum and yeah they said a lot of times because he's self-taught they just let him go and then they filmed it and then they were like do it with the drill

and then he did. I love it. I love it even more. The pony sequence at the beginning of this movie so good you almost wonder if it's a visual effect

how tight his pop and locking is happening on screen yes one of the one of the great world wonders

but this oh so Allison Falk so I'm looking at the cast list Alison Falk the choreographer was the girl in the helmet in the motel who's like running around and like

runs past him into the pool and like There's, like, banging her head into people's chests for no reason. Yeah, so that's fantastic. Yeah, it's, once again, I'm just mentally, I've gone to a different place. Yeah, you went away. It's okay. Yeah, I did.

She's also from Florida. So a lot of Florida strong. Are you saying she's a lady of Tampa? It says she's from Pembroke Pines. All right. All right. Also was a choreographer on The Lost City. So obviously she and Channing have a, have a good.

working relationships. It's very clear if you go to her. Oh, it looks like she also choreographs the Magic Mike Live shows. Magic Mike Live, Berlin. Can that be where we start the tour? Oh, my God. I'm clicking it. Well, just do this had Oscar Buzz live shows, but only in the places where the Magic Mike live show. It's not bad. Yeah, here's London. You guys, I'm following them all on Instagram. My Instagram just got 3,000% better. image-wise. Fantastic. Yes.

Miami, you guys, this is going to be a good tour of us. Starting in Berlin. Starting in Berlin. I want to talk about Jada Pinkett Smith in this for a second because this is, and again, you're losing McConaughey, so you're losing definitely, like, a big part of that first movie. He's so much of that movie's quotability is him and that energy. And even, like, in story, they're like, we.

need an emce. Like, nobody really thinks that Gabriel Iglesias is going to be, like, sufficient as an MC. Sorry to that guy's character. But, like, they need somebody to bring that McConaughey energy. And it's like, where are they going to get it? Where are they going to get it? And Jada brings it in a totally

different way, but in this, like, really recognizable. After I saw this movie, my friend Nick and I, every single time we would talk, Nick Davis, former guest of the show, we would say, like, Queens, are you ready? Are you? How are you, my queen?

Are you ready for an exulting day or whatever? And it's just like that kind of, that vibe is so much fun. And it, like, it's indicative of the kind of all for you, my queen's kind of nature of this movie. We're like, it's just giving it to you. It sure is. It sure is. Well, I mean, she's filling that McConaughey slot. She sure is.

You know what I mean. I do. But, like, it totally tells you the difference between what these two movies are because McConaughey was a villain. She is basically a pure, just-MC role in this movie. And because the whole, what, last half hour of the movie is just that act, you know, 10-20, the whatever Elizabeth Banks calls it. Yeah, the 10-20 slot.

It's a money slot. The money slot. She's still, and she's also the history. She's the origin story. some way that we don't get to learn about of the sequel of like, they have. Yeah, we don't get the prequel origin of Magic Mike, and yet we still get little hints into the past, the past of this man.

Magic Mike, Alex-L is not just friendship cinema. It is friend with your hot X cinema. This is true. I think that's what's going to be happening with Selma Hayek in Magic. Oh, that's the whole trailer is essentially that. The trailer is she's the only one who ever believed in me. My arms are still up. I haven't been able to brush my teeth since I saw the trailer.

So this movie, Magic Mike Double X-L finished number 15 on the Village Voice year-end poll, but also Jada Pinkett Smith was a runner-up for Best Supporting Actress for their poll. And it does remind me that, like, a lot of people, because you know you get all these, like, here's who is going to get nominated for the Oscars, but here's, like, my left-field choice who I would nominate. those are always really fun. I always love reading those from different people. And I remember Jada showed up on at least a few people's lists of like, this would be a really cool supporting actress nomination. And this was the year that Chris Rock hosted the Oscars and made the joke about Jada boycotting. Because she and Will boycotted that Oscars because he didn't get nominated

for concussion. Tell the truth. And so... How did I remember that as the girls' trip year? That he was like, they wouldn't have invited you. No, it wasn't. It was the Magic Mike Double XL year, but that was his joke. He was like, Jada boycotting the Oscars is like me boycotting Rihanna's panties. You weren't invited anyway, which is, by the way, a terrible joke. But it's also absolutely the root reason why Will Smith slapped that man last year. Like, that was the origins, speaking of origin stories, like, that was the seed that first of that tree.

Probably. Yes. But I remember at the time. being like, that's too mean. She was really good in Magic Mike Double X-L. She might have been, you know, nominee. I was now doing the Sean Penn, Jude Law, is one of our finest actors moment,

except it was about Jada at that moment because, like, she was really good that year. Of all years to, like, make that crack about Jada. That year especially, I was like, it's, you know, he wasn't seeing all the important movies, clearly, Chris Rock that year. So it all comes around to the Oscars. Pam, who are you going to slap when you get nominees? for an Oscar.

Well, I'm currently accepting applications. So, Joe, it can be you. It's not too late. No one's asked me that before. The honor of my life, if I got slapped on stage by my good friend Pam at the Academy Awards. I would never, ever stop bragging about that. So, yes.

Oh, man. This movie showed up on a lot of people's top tens, though. I sort of jotted that down in our, Liss Manola Dargis Had it on hers at the New York Times David Ehrlich at IndiWire, Christopher Orr at the Atlantic. It was on the AV Club and Time Out London

and Slant magazine, all of their top ten lists. Pam, you wanted to talk about the Roxanne Gay appreciation. Yes, I just want to make sure if nobody, if you are a Magic Mike double XL lover

as if you're breathing, you are. Roxanne Gay did a piece back in the toast in July 1st, 2015, where she is talking about. It's just called, the title is, I wanted to hug every part of him with my mouth, a Magic Mike double XL recap. And it's still live and up if you want to go read it. If you can find her doing it live, which is how I've also seen it, it's wonderful if you can hear her doing some sort of reading of it. seek it out because she does hug him with every part of her mouth while she's telling you this story. I want to do a quick YouTube search and see if it's anywhere.

It's just good. And she's right, you know, like it'll say some things happen that don't matter because everyone's fully clothed and then Mike gets a phone call from the old gang. Sentences like that. Do recap this quite well. And it's worth your time. Yeah. doesn't seem to be available on YouTube,

all the more, unfortunately, for that. But, yes, seek it out on... I love that the toast still has stuff that's up. The Internet should be forever. Maybe not. Maybe that's too broad of a brush, but this should be forever. This should never leave.

What else? A-minus cinema score, unsurprisingly. This is the thing, is critics were really, really mixed. They came around by the end of the year, but when this movie came out, there was a lot of... not like mixed reaction a lot more negativity than I remember there being but audiences obviously this is this is the most self-selecting a minus cinema

score too because it's like you know what you're going for when you go to this movie and this anybody who went to see this movie for any of those reasons this movie delivered you know what I mean like this nobody went to this movie being like and walked away being like well Alex Paterford wasn't in it so I guess I'm going to give it a C like that just like nothing that never happened so the things i was reading said it was 96% female the ticket buyers wow 90s honestly gay men should have done better like honestly we will show up for salma yeah that's true we will be showing up for salma uh 100% um listen yeah i think i'm saying one more

time now i have i've been saving this vanity fair article until after this and all i did just open it so that i could put it in the thing here And it just begins, I'm not, I am not a normal person when I talk about Channing Tatum. But anyway, it just begins with him saying, I'll go slow, promises Channing Tatum. He looks down his chiseled brow furrowded concern. How's that, he asks? Too slow? It's like, I wrote it.

Oh, this is like, this is just out. This is Jessica Pressler's article. This is just out. This is just out. As an athlete and a dancer, Tatum is used to contorting his body into exotic positions, and it doesn't take long for him to find his rhythm. Oh, yeah, he says. His thighs are taught.

His massive hands are made for stuff like this. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I find myself starting to lose control. Oh, God, I say, oh shit. Oh, yeah, Tatum announces triumphantly. We're making a baby. Oh, no, I shriek.

The hunk of clay I've been attempting to make into a vase, slips from my grasp and flings itself dramatically off the pottery wheel, which continues to spin madly, splattering me with a vicious, viscous brown liquid, until the instructor at the Brooklyn studio where we've been taking a lesson comes over. to gently remind me to take my foot off the pedal. First of all, Five stars, Jessica.

Absolutely agree with all of that, A plus. Jessica Presler writes everything from now on. Jessica Presler is just our poet laureate of stripper culture, apparently, as from the hostlers that scores to Channing Tatum and a pottery will. First of all, I love that we are now 30, plus years from Ghost, so now we can like repurpose the pottery wheel as sex subject.

Sex surrogate, but for an entirely new generation. So did you not know that in this they talk about how he has the rights for Ghost? I did see that. I haven't read this piece yet, but I did see that that headline that he wants to remake Ghost.

Well, it says, I don't want to read this whole article to you, but I will. I thwack a new piece of clay onto my wheel. You got this girl. Cheers Tatum, ride the clay bull. Moments later, he has produced another small vessel. Now I know why they put this in Ghost, he says. Then smooths out the lip of a piece he notes looks rather like a vagina.

This whole process is very, very sexual. Meanwhile, my clay is flapping around all over the place. Ghost was great, I mutter as I struggle to get a hold of it. We actually have the rights, Tatum, says. Wait, what? Yeah, we have the rights to Ghost. I press hard on the clay. Well, he tells me about how his production company Free Association is trying to pull together a remake of Ghost with him potentially playing the Patrick Swayzey.

roll. But we're going to do something different, he says, adding that the original, like many movies of its day, contain some problematic stereotypes. I think it needs to change a little bit and have our thump. Tatum looks up from his vagina as my wheel makes an angry, spluttering sound. I'm just going to leave. I'm going to leave you guys there. I couldn't. I feel good. So, yeah, I was going to say so many of those, so much of that is so promising in several different ways. I would love to see Channing Tatum do a remake of Ghost. You can just say, say I would love to see Janick Day and I was like, yeah.

I don't, anything you say after that? Why is he not sitting next to me on an airplane anywhere with my pants bursting up? Hulking out of my pants. I am constantly almost making a fool out of myself one by one through the magic mic canon and... You will text me every once in a while

and just be like it happened again. Just be like some other celebrity encounter. It's true. It's happened. Diane Warren doesn't know how many times I've been near her going. But it's more than three. It's more than three.

Thank God she has an Oscar finally. Thank God she wanted it so much that she... She wanted it so much that she cut off Cher in the middle of Cher presenting the award for her, which is my favorite aspect of that Governor's Awards presentation. And she could still get a competitive nomination this year still. What's the movie again, Chris, that she could get nominated for? Tell it like a woman. Sure.

Yes. Why not? It's an anthology. What else about Magic Mike? We haven't talked enough about Andy McDowell. I feel like we've... Haven't. So good.

All right. Pam, as a noted Andy McDowell in Four Weddings in a Funeral, truther? I don't know. Yes. Anti-fan. How do you think she fared in this movie? Well, she, I mean, it...

The scene happens around. Like, she came in as... punch line of that, like, she came in as her truth herself, which she was like, she just sat down like, you're goddamn right, it's Andy McDowell. Like, it could have been that thing where they always call him Bill Murray in the movie. Like, I don't know why they didn't just say, this is Andy McDowell. Right, right. Very well, it could have just been Andy McDowell.

It would have all been like, of course it is. And she was like, yeah, I forgot my mom. She's her own daughter. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. She's my mom and she's, uh, feeling horny. What are we going to do about it? Channing Tatum. Like, we could have just turned to the cameras, then like, here's what's up.

She was free. What are we going to do with her? Right. No, she's fine, but she's, I mean, she does the thing that I find very difficult to, like, if I knew a person like this, I wouldn't hang out with them. So I suppose that's part of, maybe it's not her acting. It's, this is worse to say, but it might be, she's not my cup of tea. This is terrible. We're going to cut all this.

Leave the rest of it. Totally not embarrassed about it. This is something I shouldn't say in public because it doesn't seem nice. I'm excerpting this and sending it directly to our friends. Yeah, it doesn't, yeah, I'm just talking to Jeff now, and he knows. Like, he loves her, he loves her. And I, yeah, she's just someone's cup of tea, most people's cup of tea. She is not mine.

And I think that's because I don't trust her. I don't trust her. Oh, I love her in this movie. I, on this rewatch, I was thinking so much of Jennifer Coolidge because, like, is she not also playing Jennifer Coolidge? Because Jennifer Coolidge also has that giant Southern mansion that they filmed the beguiled at. and it's like, this kind of looks like that mansion. So wouldn't be surprised if this is somewhat loosely based on Jennifer Coolidge as well.

She makes the word damn have 14 syllables. This is true. I think she's wonderful in this movie. Soderberg reunion, which, I mean, they can't claim it because they don't claim that Soderberg directed this movie. How much of this movie do we think Soderberg actually directed? 100%. Every second of it.

this movie. He's very talented. Why the charade? Why the going through the motions of being like he wasn't directing it? Because I do think it hurt the movie perception-wise. That like people saw it as like the lesser movie that he passed off to his AD. And I think a lot of people sort of like took that preconceived notion into that movie, especially critics. But like I guess it was to maintain this idea that he was retired because he had like gone through that like. She never really was. fake-fake-fake retirement as he was like making the nick for several seasons um yeah it's a little puzzling Steve what's up with that call in we're taking calls we're taking calls Stephen Soderberg on line one will forever call it the Soderberg line I think maybe it has to do with guilds whenever it's this

I'm always like oh it's it's contracts or guilds or he had a deal that he couldn't get out of and so he's like well then I didn't make this one and they're like but you're there and he's like Who knows where I am? Right. Well, it's that thing where, like, musicians that you liked would, like, why are they doing another greatest hits album? And it's like, oh, to get out of like a deal or like to fulfill a contract or whatever. And you never really sort of think about it.

They're always sort of thinking about it through this lens of, you know, autour-driven careers or whatever. This was the thing that I learned when I first started interviewing actors. And I still haven't, I don't do that a ton, but whenever I do, I've learned to curb the impulse to ask especially. younger actors, why did you choose this role? Because the answer is always like, because I got it. Like, it was just like

you sort of, I think we overestimate the degree to which most people can craft their career. I guess Soderberg's a bad example of that because he is one of those people who's like, you know, pick and choose to do what he wants. This vanity, the thing that, the thing that, go

right ahead. No, keep reading the Vanity Fair article family. No, no, I was going to say it answers some of your, where did he go questions? Oh, okay, there we go. fabulous. This is the thing where I just like talk out of my butt and like eventually somebody's like, you know there are answers to that that you can like find. Well, and not to be reading an article about Channing Tatum while you're talking about something

else. I'm sorry he's distracting. But there are pictures in this article. And also, you know, it's just talking about. How was Pam on your podcast? Well, she read the Savannah Fair article pretty much the entire time. Sometimes out loud, but sometimes just quietly to herself. She opened a binder full of articles about Channing Tatum and read them to us.

you know she does that no matter where you have her there do not go to an eye how the spine of this binder was kind of falling apart they did interview Roxanne for this Vanity Fair article see here we go look all I feel like I just feel like we are creating our own secret here I just want you know that sometimes I think about Channing Tatum

and amazing things happen That's all I know to be true in my life. I think about Channing Tatum, and sometimes he shows up on my computer in a Zoom to say, do you want to work together? And then sometimes I think about Channing Tatum because I've watched him. And then I sit down on a plane next to Big Dick Richie. So I'm saying to the two of you right now and everybody listening to this podcast while I have Oscar Buzz. I'm on this head Oscar Buzz with current Oscar Buzz.

I don't know about Tuesday. But today, as we conjure up the magic of Mike. Yes. think about what as we enter this year of the rabbit of which I am we have a moment here to see what will happen between now and Valentine's Day okay when your wish will jump from your heart to the screen and then move on to go get whatever it is I'm not this is true this is science so here's the thing and I don't want to like put myself on blast for like things plans that I have in the future because that's weird

I am flying to Los Angeles to see this movie with a bunch of gay men. So, like, I will be on an airplane from New York to Los Angeles at some point. And those are the flights. That was the flight where Stasi from Vanderpump Rules was in the row ahead of me, which is a very different thing than Big Dick Richie. But, and I also don't fly the, like, class of airfare that would be put me next to the fancy schmands. But I did fly to the Toronto International Film Festival one time. a mere like four rows behind Diana Ross, who I knew was Diana Ross because her hair

was resplendently big. It's amazing. And like, basically... Are you sure it wasn't Andy McDowell who also has a splendidly big hair? Unintentionally sort of like had no choice but to like follow her to customs because like that's where everybody, it's not like, you know, anybody had like you go single file line essentially to customs. And like from customs, two bags.

claim and just sort of like three steps behind Diana Ross the entire time and her entourage. So maybe I am going to manifest seeing Channing Tatum on my flight to L.A. to see Magic Mike's last dance. Maybe that'll happen. Maybe. Fingers crossed. I actually meant you can go, you can dream bigger. That's all in memory.

Wow. No, that's as big as I can do. That's it. That's it, Pam. That's all I got. When you dream the attainable, I feel like you're wasting a wish. Wait, what do you think I can that I can go to? Stripper Nationals? Is that the thing? Is that thing? I don't know. You're getting closer, though. Yeah, man. Like, what do you want out there? What do you want? Do you want to be the Elizabeth Banks of Stripper Nationals? I would be. Oh, like, deciding who gets to go at 1030 and whatnot? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Okay. But like, she does some emceeing. She does. Before Jada shows up and it's like I got them. I think Joe would be a great mancy, though. I thought you said mancy instead of MC and I was like, yes. Like if Joe walked around being like, why are we here? Mike Williams. Why are we here? We know why we're here. What are we going to see? What are we going to do?

Do you... This is the gig that they are doing a Joe impression? I'm doing when we are doing live shows at the Magic Mike Theater. Yes. It's empty. But we're doing live shows at the Magic Mike Theater. There's no audience. We've broken in. It's the middle of the night. An alarm is going on. We have seconds. We can't get kicked out of it. We can't get almost kicked out of another place in Vegas. We can't, that can't happen to us. This is how I know that you and I should do this for a living because we know how to get kicked out of places together. We do. While they say, I'm so sorry to be kicking you out. You actually are a lot of fun.

Bye. He was very nice. The time that Pam stood up on a bar in a Weston in Las Vegas and sang karaoke. That was not official karaoke. It was not official karaoke. Oh, we were doing television without pity offsite fun times. It was the first time Pam. It was the day that Pam and I met.

And the day that Pam and I met, she got escorted off of the top of a bar at the Weston in Las Vegas for dancing on top of video poker screens as it turns out. It turns out you can't do that, even if they kind of make it seem like that's what you're supposed to do. It's not like I took a microphone out of the man's hand. No, he gave it to you willingly. But the security guy was basically like, this could have been part of a scam to, like, distract us while other people are stealing something. So we can't really have you do that, which was my favorite, maybe my favorite part. There were a lot of favorite parts. There were a lot of favorite parts.

And I also enjoy that all of you had to repeatedly say to him, she is sober. Yes. That is true. She's just doing this for love of what she's doing. She knows what she's doing. She is responsible for herself. That's just Pam. That's just how Pam is.

And I will say it is a very unique perspective of a casino is to be standing on a bar and see a slot machine screen between your legs. Yep. Like, looking, you're looking up at aces. Yeah. Yeah. That's like Johnny Q. Barfly is like smoking at the thing trying to like put in another nickel slot down. It's like, nope.

Okay. Hey, these were dollar slots. I was a little classier than that. But I did see security coming right at me. And I think I said into the microphone. Gotta go. Yeah. There's a picture of me jumping off, jumping off the park.

Yes, so this is how I know that Joe, you totally could walk around and be like, what are we going to see tonight? What are we wanting? And you could maybe call it, this has buzz. And you can just be like, here we go. What do you want? This is what I mean. Manifest something past what you would let yourself dream. Because you can't, as I sit here in front of you right now on the short list.

one year ago we were just finishing this thing and being like I hope someone sees it I hope it gets to exist and then I This is the other thing It's such a good little movie

I really like it It's got almost as many dicks as Magic Mike double X-L And there we go I'm super proud of it Thank you for having me here But again, all I'm saying is Right now

Wherever you are listening to this podcast We have summoned the magic Of Magic Mike last dance and now you have, I'm not counting, but, you know, 28 days to from here, from right now. And then it's over. Until, well, until your thing comes true. Until magic, my last dance is out in the world and it will spread love and joy and hope and dreams. Did not expect this was the turn that this episode was going to go, Pam, but I'm really happy about that.

Well, that's just too, it is. Wait, I want to talk about how this. This movie, Magic MacDouble XL, was a teen choice award winner, unsurprisingly. The teens watch this. God love those teens. There is something, choice summer movie star mail. The most R-rated stuff in this movie is coming out of their mouth. There is still something wildly wholesome about this movie.

Like, I can't, maybe it's just the lighthearted tone of it. Oh, it's incredibly wholesome. Yeah. But it feels like a very wholesome movie. They're good friends who support each other and their hopes and dreams. Adam Rodriguez wants to have a Froyo cart. Like, that's his hopes and dreams. Like, that's his whole...

I love the fact that, like, all of their stripper routines, that's the whole conceit. And as much as this movie has a thematic conceit, it's the idea that they all scrap their old Dallas organized routines and do stuff that is themed around what they want their lives to be. So you've got, like, Kevin Nash painting, like, you know, with an easel. and whatnot. Do you know who literally credited as Tarzan's girl in the movie, but the woman that he dances for, do you know who that is? No. It's Deidre Goodwin from, she was a Broadway performer.

She's in every little step, the documentary about casting of it. Oh, I know exactly who you're talking about, because she's also one of the Chicago. She's one of the cell block tango women in the Chicago movie. She's the one who in every little step when she gets the call. that she got the part in a chorus line is standing at the corner of 8th Avenue and 45th Street, which is like where I lived when I lived in Hell's Kitchen the first time. Yeah, 100%. I love, first of all. Pam, have you ever seen that documentary every little step? I have. I love it. My friend Nora was a producer on it. Fantastic. I love that movie. It's so good. That's a movie that I will, that's maybe my magic, like, Magic Mike Double XL or I will just like, somebody who I know is like of that milieu or whatever. And I'm like, have you seen every little step? And they'll be like, no. And I'd be like, well, now I know what we're doing for the next 90 minutes.

We were watching this movie. It's so good. It's great. The weirder still than Magic Mike double X-L getting a teen choice award was Channing also getting nominated for choice movie actor, sci-fi fantasy for Jupiter ascending. Because I'm going to tell you, teenager or not, nobody saw that movie. Like, absolutely not. Jupiter Ascending, good movie. Sorry.

Oh, he was nominated for that, but Josh Hutcherson winning for Hunger Games Mocking Jay. That makes more sense, I will say. Just in terms of, like, what were teens watching that year? They were definitely watching Hunger Games. The other one that I thought was funny. Well, a couple more. The Women Film Critics Circle nominated this for worst male images in a movie, which, looking at the other nominees, I'm trying to, like, get the vibe here.

So, like, Steve Jobs is the winner. for, I guess, Steve Jobs being, like, an asshole, like, in a bad, like, ex-husband or whatever? Suffragette where, like, I guess that's for Ben Washaw being a bad husband, right? Like, he's sort of the, the restrictive, repressive husband for one of the movie. Right, the plot of the movie. Like, he's bad, bad appearance by male images in a movie for... Patriarchy. The pre, the priest, yes, the patriarchy keeping women down and not letting them vote.

And then the big short, which makes me feel like, Chris, you are just a, you were, you had some input in this category. I hate that movie. Well, and they're terrible. Those have bad images of men. Like, those are bad men, right? I'm not saying the patriarchy isn't bad. But the big short in particular, I'm surprised this doesn't win, like run away with worst male images in a movie. Of these nominees.

Yes. Yes. Nothing but. But like, I get. Yeah, I get the idea that, like, you don't, you're not down with the, you know, the vibe of Magic Mike Double X-L or the mission statement. But this isn't a hangover movie, you know, like, they're all very nice men. They're all, you know, the whole idea of it is that they, like, they go out of their way to treat people nicely in this movie. They drive each other all over the place.

They drive, they're just, someone's constantly giving someone a ride. They're not Steve Jobs denying... Catherine Waterston Allemone or whatever the hell, child support in that movie. Like, my God. Also, like, so much of their actions are motivated by, you know, making women happy. And in a way that it's like, this is what they do, they're entertainers, but it's not, like, self-serving. They're not pleasing them to manipulate them. They are, you know, like Matt Bomber singing heaven to that woman and dancing with her.

It's just to make her feel nice in the moment. He doesn't get anything out of it other than, I made her have a nice evening. I don't know. I haven't investigated the third movie to the point where, like, are none of the other ones in it at all? Or are they just, like, in much, much smaller roles? I don't know who's cast in it and not. I almost want to know as little as possible about the movie and just go into it fresh. Which is why I haven't read this vanity fair.

Yes. Yeah, yeah. Oh, well, I have just one in the trailer. Just now. And I'll tell you. Wait, really? No spoilers. No, they do talk a little bit about the film in there.

So, but you can easily skip it. It's mostly about him, not the movie. Because my thing is, like, on a long enough timeline, I want Matt Bowmer's character to be, at the very least, bisexual. Because, like, I want that aspect of his truth. I want Matt to be able to live in his truth in this movie about living. in your truth. I also watched, I took one for the team. I watched

this, Magic Mike Double Xel was nominated for the Golden Trailer Award for Trashiest trailer. So I watched all the trailers for the other four movies, two of which are fully not real movies. Blue Mountain State, the rise of Thadland, which is like a sub, you know the American

pie direct to video like sequels where it's all just like Eugene Levy like adopting new college freshmen who are like, you know, fucking different pastries or whatever. This is sub that level. This is not, does not qualify for the, you know how like to qualify, you know how like certain cheeses.

Just sitting around watching trailers for those movies. You know, like certain things can't be called cheese. They have to be called like food product or something like that. Like that's the level to which Blue Mountain State, The Rise of Thadland is in a movie. Same thing with this thing called Lost After Dark, which was also nominated, which is like a horror movie, I guess. but also seems like it was like a trailer that was made on a dare that, you know, to a movie that absolutely, I can't imagine, exists anywhere. And we've made that this movie doesn't exist anymore, joke too much, but like this, I mean it.

The other ones are real movies. Dirty Grandpa, I had never seen that trailer before. I'd never seen that movie, but I had never seen even the trailer for that movie. I was not expecting Robert De Niro and Aubrey Plaza to be, like, lovers in that movie. But, like, they sure seem to be Robert De Niro, Zach Ephron, Dirty Grandpa, horrid. And then Tangerine, which is a really good movie. So, like, Tangerine Magic Mike Double XL, very good movie is nominated for trashiest trailer alongside like... It seems like a judgment call made on the content of the movies.

Well, so I looked at... It's not a trashy movie even. But people get to nominate. You get to nominate yourself. Like the golden trailers aren't walking around, picking up and going, we nominate this. Someone entered them into, that's how, because I was just looking at you. It's the Hollywood insider perspective that I want. It's called Googling.

But so the Blue Mountain State, like, I want to be like, yeah, that's one of rules for foreign entries. Let's see. 50% of your principal photography must have been shot outside the U.S. That's it. So, yes, these. So it's probably a trailer house that made them. Probably. Yeah.

And then. Yeah. And they were like, our best chance at a nomination is to go for the trashiest trailer. Like, that's our, like, that's their game in the system kind of a thing. Well, I think you can. Because otherwise, maybe you wouldn't want to, like, self-label that way. Let's see. How many.

There is no limit to the amount you can submit, have fun. That's one of the rules. So I think that might be it of like, let's enter everything. So what do we have that we could put in the magic mic slot or in the trashy slot? And then you're like, fuck it. This is, it means somehow it's a little trashy. And then there were five nominations. Enter.

Anyway, justice for Magic, Mike, and Tangerine. Two very good movies. Dirty Grandpa looks horrifying. All right, anyway, what else do we want to say? Any other, I'm going to go to my little notebook. What do you guys else have to say about this wonderful? Matt Bomber is a level three healer. We should.

For Rakey, yeah. His certification. Yes, happy for that. Tori Snatch, the drag queen from the gay bar, that they go to at the beginning, played by Vicky Vox, who is Best Pals with Detox, or at least was back when I was paying attention to such things.

Yes. I don't listen. Yeah, doing a bunch of YouTube stuff with Detox and Willem from early seasons of drag race. What else? Oh, it's so downplayed that they change their names from the Kings of Tampa to resurrection, like res erection.

Like I missed it the first time I saw this movie. I did not make note of that until I watched it this time. It should be the res erection of the kings of Tampa. Yes. I like Kings of Tampa. It's nice and clean. The degree to which this movie could take or leave its central romantic storyline with Channing Tatum and Amber Heard,

I think is admirable and that they're not going to try and force us to care about this any more than we. we do. But, like, it is an incredibly half-hearted storyline in this film, I'm going to say. I'm fine with it. I'm fine with it in that, like, it doesn't try to occupy more of my time. The love story? Yeah, the love story. Well, I think Mike has interesting taste in women. Like, he seems to find the only women who aren't interested in what he does, right? Then he's like, I must have her. Which does feel like something worth unpacking with a professional. Yeah.

Yes. It's like when you hear that Nigel have married a guy who doesn't like parties. Spoiler. It wasn't a good match, but he wasn't a good person. But also, like, when you're like, well, he only likes girls who don't like what he's into. Why, Mike? Yeah. You know? In the first one, the Cody Horn character

was an active drag on the movie. The Amber Heard character is more of a non-factor than an active drag. So, like, that's improvement. Whereas, She does introduce the cookie versus cake debate, though. This is true. I'm very curious where everyone falls on this cookie versus cake debate. If I had to choose, and like with the caveat that like there is a large degree of variance in both of those confections, you can have the best cookie I would take over the best slice of cake.

See, I disagree. I would fall on the cake side, but I would rather have a bad cookie than a bad cake, but firmly cake. Like, my favorite just out of the oven cookie from insomnia, I would take over like the best slice of cake that I've had. I think I would. I think so. I'm also an ice cream person. Yeah, but ice cream goes better with cake than cookies. I think, I don't know.

I think that's open for debate as well. Applebee's used to have a Sunday that they would put like a scoop of ice cream on top of like a really big chocolate chip cookie and then like hot fudge on top of that. It was really good is all I'm going to say. I'm revealing too much about myself in this episode. Pam, what's going on? That's what it's about. Is it you? Is it you who's revealed too much about yourself in this podcast if we take a vote? They're going to be like, Joe all the way.

magical about Michael is that he strips down our walls and barriers and brings us to a vulnerable place where we can be ourselves. He thrusts us. Oh, my last note. I was working on something. Sorry.

I'm sorry, Pam. He thrusts us into our own spotlight and we come out of our show. Wow. Wow. I also just want to say my last note, here, there is so much cash in this movie, just like actual physical cash, like, way more than in the first one.

So much cash that the rooms probably smelled like dirty money more than it smelled like sweaty man. Ooh. Probably, yeah. Now that's what I like on cookies, dirty money. I'll take a half dozen dirty money cookies. Thank you. That is almost certainly like.

That's good. That's a milk bar. That's a milk bar flavor right there. That is. Just to be like, get your dirty money cookies out of my bedroom. That's what I was. All right. Gloria Swanson.

Classic. Yeah. Just tons. Just at, like, they're like ankle deep in cash at one point at Jada Pinkett's mansion. How are they not slipping on that stage? The socks. There's a lot to possibly slip on in that stage. You don't see it, but before all of the guys go on stage, there's Jada being like,

here's your grippy socks. socks. That's why they have so much money to hide the grippy socks. It got cut out of the shopping montage, you know, when you're buying hardware and ice cream. Right. It swings, yes. The swing comes with a grippy sock, just for insurance purposes. The thing about the swing, my favorite shot in the movie is when they cut, it's like the end of the show and they cut to that side of the stage and that woman is still in the swing.

She's still in the swing. still i assume at that point it's that simpson's episode where the teachers go on strike and they all just like leave so quickly and then there's the one girl hanging from the parallel rings in gym class and just going like hello hello mrs pommel horse i'd like to get down now yeah but i assume she doesn't even know a show happened around her like she's just in the swing like Oh, what just happened in? Right. What was that? Right. I can't hear anything.

Just a brand new person. All right. Should we move into the IMDB game? Sure. We can do that. All right. Chris, why don't you tell our listeners what the IMDB game is. Listeners, are you ready to be exalted with a game?

Every week we end our episodes with the IMDB game where we challenge each other with an actor or actress to try to get the top four titles that IMDB says they are most known. for if any of those titles are television voice only performances or non-acting credits we will mention that up front after two wrong guesses we get the remaining titles release years as a clue if that's not enough it'll just be calmly for a referral of hints with dollar bills in the air and um generations yeah all right Pam as our guest you get the choice for whether you want to give your clue first or guess first and also which direction the round robin should go in. Oh, my God, do I need to go,

I'm not prepared, do I need to go get an actor? Yes. Is it, Channing Tatum? Let me go grab one. I guess that's the answer. Pam is doing her homework real fast. Hold on.

So just any actor? I'm acting like I don't know. Just go into that Vanity Fair article and pick out the name of an actor. I will. There's only one over and over again. Okay. Okay.

All right? Yeah. All right. So would you like to give your clue first or guess first? Oh, I'll guess first. All right. Who would you like to guess from, Chris or me? I'll guess from Chris.

Okay. Okay. So I was thinking about other actors we have seen in G-strings on stages before, and immediately what came to mind as one actor currently sweeping the Oscar season and the Internet with a phone. photo of his early modeling days in a red G string, none other than Mr. Colin Farrell.

Ah. Who we have surprisingly never done on this game. That is surprising. Okay. I'm most known for Colin Farrell. This is terrible. Do I have to get him an order?

No. Any order works. Okay. Is it... Two wrong guesses you're going to get the years. But my Colin Farrell is so weird. So let's put Banshe's up here because he's most known for it right now. Right. Is it on there? Is that your guess? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Incorrect. Wow. Oh. Too soon, I think. Phone booth?

Incorrect. No. I love that guess, though. He's so good in phone booth. I love that people are like re-appreciating phone booth. Like 80 minutes long, no filler. Great movie. He's so good in it. But no, that is incorrect. Your years though are 2003 2008, 2015, and 2022. And it isn't banshees? The problem is I did not know much, like I don't follow Colin Farrell much at all.

Oh, okay. We'll still give you some hints. Okay. Okay, so the 2008 movie is not obviously banshees, but it is a reuniting of the team from this movie that they all did together. Oh, so im bruges is on there? In bruges, yes.

No, it's im bruges if you look at how it's spelled. In brugis? Yeah, in brugs. Okay. We're going to get Glenn Close to re-dub your audio for that one, so it says in bruges instead. Yeah. It's an Andy McDowell joke. The 2015 movie, which I believe came out in the States in 2016, is an Oscar nominee for screenplay.

that he is in that he is in he is the headliner 20 feet of I don't know the pandemic a very odd

movie that I love from a director who has two movies coming out this year he's Greek Greek the director is Greek Oh was he in the line

Lobster? The lobster. I did it. That's him. The 2022 movie is a franchise movie. Oh. Well, I don't know what franchise.

2022. You might not have realized that that was Colin Farrell. Well, I don't watch a lot of franchise films. So if he was in an Avengers, I wouldn't know. But 2022. Not an Avengers movie, but playing a

pretty iconic villain. I don't know. He's supposed to have a TV show playing this villain, but I don't think that's going to happen. Oh, no, now you could just be in the Star Warsland. I have no idea. You're asking the wrong. He's playing opposite a hero who has been played by a lot of people in the last.

A lot of people. Is he a Batman? Is he a Spider-Man? He's in the Batman. The Batman. He's the penguin in the Batman. Huh. Yeah.

Yeah. It's a waste of him, I think. A lot of people liked him in that, but I think it's a waste of him. Okay. Speaking of a waste of him. Colin Farrell's 2003 movies. I'm still doing this? Yes, one more.

This is why I don't follow Colin Farrell. He's got, it's just too much to know. This is a movie. It is a summer cop movie that wasted him, but he was the headliner of. Based on like an old TV show that I guarantee you, you probably didn't watch. I certainly, like older, like it predates us, but it's also like, you know how we watched a lot of old TV shows that were rerun all the time on TV. This was probably

not one of those shows. The other names on the poster are Samuel L. Jackson, Michelle Rodriguez, and L.L. Cool, Jay. I don't know. My mother knows I could call her, and she'll be like, police force. Like, SWAT? Like, SWAT?

Yeah, like exactly that. Like, exactly that. Thank you. Wow. Wow, that's terrible. Nice. I'm so sorry. No, you're right. No, is this, it should go.

Well done. What's next? You get to quiz me now. I get to quiz you on someone's, and I'm going to give you a conversation about them. Yeah, give me a name. Okay, and why I'm, oh, I don't like the known fours on here. What if I don't like the known fours? We could do it.

This is, what if I just don't like one of the known force? Why am I making this? complicated for you. You're like, I do this all the time, Pam. Stop doing this. Okay, let's, all right, let's, oh, God, why am I like this? Okay. I don't know what's going on with me. Here we go. You know what? Let's just see if you could do Kate Blanchett. All right. Okay, Cape Blanchett. Yeah. Cape Blanchett is the type of one I've mentioned this before, who are in so many movies that people remember that this becomes a challenge. Yeah, this is a challenge just because she's prolific.

I'm going to say Elizabeth? No. Damn. Carol? Yes. Okay. All right. We got Carol.

The Aviator? Yes. Okay. Blue Jasmine? Yeah. Okay. Both of her Oscars. All right. What else?

Cape Blanchet. Big leading role. Something a lot of... I think Tarr is too recent. I don't want to guess Tarr. Elizabeth the Golden Age? No. No.

Did you just guess the same thing twice? No. There are two... I can read. I think I know that Elizabeth is not there. All right. So I got two wrong, so you give me the year that I'm missing. 2001.

Oh, she was in a lot of movies in 2001. Oh, God, it better not be the shipping news. Is it the shipping news? It is not the shipping news. Thank God. Bandits. Mm-mm. She was only in like three more movies.

Oh, the Lord of the Rings. It is the Lord of the Rings. Okay. Oh, a little movie called The Lord of the Rings. Just the franchisee situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. That was good.

I thought Yeah All right Chris For you Yes Pam wrote the screenplay For a little movie

Called Ralph Breaks the Internet Which had a lot of very famous voices in it One of whom is an actress I know you really love Taraji P. Henson Who voiced a character of yes In that film So Chris

Guess the Known for For Taraji P. Henson There are no television shows and no... Cookie erasure. Talk about cookies. Yeah. No voices, though.

No voice performance. Okay. Benjamin Button. Yes, correct. For Oscar nomination. Yes. Hidden figures. Yes, correct.

Hustle and flow. Yes, correct. Three for three. Will you go four for four? How interesting, though, that there's no cookie in there. It is interesting. I do think that it's going to be... after her Oscar nomination

but she has done a number of movies what was the what's the Tyler Perry movie where she is on the poster it's not redemption but it's retribution oh no

I was thinking of the other Tyler Perry movie that she's in which has an even better title than I can do bad all by myself yeah but that's also not it so those are both run I just wanted you to say I can do bad all by myself

so I can clip it and use it for your trip as soon Is the title of that movie, Retribution? It's called No Good Deed. Is that what you're thinking of? No, that's not. That I don't think it's Tyler Perry. Are you thinking of the family that prays? No.

Which is another Tyler Perry movie that she's like? There's one where the poster is her like sitting on a chair. I know what you're talking about too. Acrimony is what you're thinking of. Not Retribution, acrimony. I've never seen acrimony. all right anyway not any of those um so none of those right um this is not a movie that you've seen i'm fairly certain

oh because is it like recent marvel or something no it's just it's a remake of a movie that like i just don't think you would have had a ton of interest in seeing this a remake okay um remake of an action movie yeah Yeah, like a... A remake of a thriller. Like a sports movie, but like not a typical sports movie. But like that's what it sort of functions is. Oh, is it a boxing movie?

No, but you're not far off. Okay, so not boxing, not kickbox. I can't think of a kickboxing. Oh, you're dancing around the edges of it. It is the pugilistic arts, but it is... It's a remake of a very famous. movie from the 80s. Okay.

What was this sports movie that she was in? That's not... She's not doing the sportsing. I figured. She's like the mother of the sportser. You're the wife of the sportser. Yes. She's a hidden figure. She's not

on the poster, so she's very much a hidden figure. Okay. Karate kid. It's the karate kid. It is the karate kid. I did not see that movie. Yeah. This is. is what we figured. Okay. All right. Well done. You got three quickly, and then that was going to be a tough fourth one to get for you. Good job by everybody with the IMDB game. Pam, once again, thank you so much for taking your glowing Oscar Buzz aura to our podcast. Thank you for blessing us

with that. Listen, next year when you also have Oscar Buzz, you can come on and just make this an annual thing. Thank you. I hope to, I look, I look forward to that. Fantastic. That's our episode listeners. If you want more, this had Oscar Buzz, you can check out the Tumblr at this hadoscarbuzz. You should also follow our Twitter account at had underscore Oscar underscore Buzz. We are on Instagram at This Had Oscar Buzz. Pam, where can the listeners see and read and hear more from you? And also, is My Year of Dix still available to watch online? It sure is. Let me put the, you can go to My Year of Dix.com, and that will give you everything, including the trailer, if you don't have 24 minutes, and the whole film, if you do. And we're also on Vimeo.

I'll give you guys the link. Yeah, we'll put the link in the show notes for sure. Thanks. Oh, and I'm at Pamela Ribbon everywhere. And also at My Year of Dix. No one had taken it. What? Fools.

Utter fools out there. That is, honestly, that's quite surprising. given the internet's whole deal. Fantastic. All right, Chris, where can the listeners find you and your stuff? You can find me on Twitter and Letterbox at Krispy File. That's F-E-I-L. All right. I am on Twitter and letterboxed at Joe Reed, Reed, spelled R-E-I-D. We would like to thank Kyle Cummings for his fantastic artwork and Dave Gonzalez and Gavin Mavius for their technical guidance.

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