This Had Oscar Buzz - 241 – Selena (with Luis Rendon!)

Episode Date: June 5, 2023

And we’re back! We hope you all enjoyed the 100 YEARS, 100… SNUBS! May miniseries, but regular episodes are returning and did we come back with a special one! The Mixed Reviews co-host and journalist Luis Rendon joins us to talk about one of the most beloved musical biopics of all time, 1997′s Selena. The … Continue reading "241 – Selena (with Luis Rendon!)"

Uh-oh, wrong house. No, the right house. I didn't get that! We want to talk to Marilyn Hacks. I'm from Canada. I'm from Canada water. It is, Alina. Someone found the letter you wrote me on the radio.

But my saying it ran aloud. It's saying I'm on the radio. Coma LaFloor from Selena, I los Dinos, which is just skyrocketed to the number one spot. Hello and welcome to the This Had Oscar Buzz podcast, the only podcast still waiting at that Applebee's. Every week on this had Oscar buzz We'll be talking about a different movie That once upon a time had Lofty Academy Award aspirations But for some reason or another, it all went wrong.

The Oscar hopes died, and we're here to perform the autopsy. I'm your host, Chris Fyle, And I'm here, as always, with my lady getting crushed under the stage, Joey. Oh, no! I like when I don't look at the intro paragraph and the outline ahead of time and your intro line takes me by surprise. What a harrowing moment in this otherwise lovely, well, until the end. The end of, is, of course, we'll get into it.

The end is very, I forgot how the end sequence just like really hits you. It kind of does a whole different thing. This movie doesn't get enough credit for actually taking some creative risks at certain points of the movie for what is otherwise a very straightforward, you know, crowd pleasing. biopic movie. Well, the other thing about that scene that you mention, the lady being crushed by the stage, is that's a scene that sort of praise upon my sort of white person's knowledge of Selena, especially at the time when I was like, I was a teenager, and like, I had heard about Selena, but like in a very limited context, certainly in a limited context before she had died. And so, like, now watching this, I'm like, I don't know what the history is.

of her professional life is, like, maybe there was some sort of, like, horrible Altamont-esque, like, disaster at a concert of her. So I'm watching that scene. I'm like, oh, my God. Like, I really hope this doesn't turn into some, like, horrible disaster where, you know, multiple people had killed at a Selena concert or something like that. So she calms an entire, uh, very eager crowd with Como LaFloor. It works.

Listen. It really does. We got to bring our guests in. We can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, okay. So, not only are we back from our main miniseries, we're back with a guest, everybody. We're not going to wait to bring him in. You know him as a journalist, Verified Tihano, and co-hosts of the Mix Reviews. It is Louis Rendon, everyone.

Hi, hi, hi, everyone. That was me giving the... I was calming down the crowd. That is Joe and Chris. Because podcast... Let's do it really slow. really slow, okay, guys. We had to bring you in because you were cracking us up.

Yeah, well, you guys were right in it. You said, you were like, the scene. I mean, that scene is crazy. I watched the movie again for like the 10 billion time. Right. With a person who had never seen it before. I know. There are lots of, I'm sorry, whites out there who just don't know the lore.

I mean, let me tell you, I will say, as somebody who like grew up as a the H1 viewer. I've seen I've certainly seen all the component parts of Selena. This was the first time I've ever sat down and watched it front to end though. Like it was... Sure, yeah. It's regularly on T&T, et cetera. You can catch 15 minutes of Selena at any

point of any day. Right. Okay. But there are a lot of people though who like did not grow up with her only if they knew about her, then knew her after she died. Maybe knew her because they had like a Mexican friend who was like you fucking crazy person like, you know. There are millions of us.

Okay, I'm one of those people who, much like Princess Diana, the first time I was introduced to Salina was her death. But I would also claim that to just be part of being very young. I was going to say, this is Chris just like throwing it in there that he's a good bit younger than me. Like I was about to say, clearly you didn't have an aunt with a People magazine subscription because like that's basically how I knew about Diana. Chris, aren't you also from Ohio? Yeah, but, like, when I was young, no, first of all, my thing is, like, you say it's all these people who don't even know who Selena is. But, like, did they also not listen to mid-90s adult contemporary radio? Because when the crossover album happened after she died, that was all over, like, delight.

But it was after she died, though. Like, I do feel like that was when VH1, speaking of VH1, like, it's all coming back to video hits one here on this episode. but they only started playing that after she had died. I didn't have the concept of many musical artists. Like, I knew songs that I was young enough to like. Right, right, right. I think the whole point of this is to say, and it's like a very good, like, introduction. I had been racking my brain forever.

I mean, we've crossed paths on our podcast. Like, Gavin's been on your podcast. Both of you've been on our podcast. We did. It's about damn time. You're here. But in my head, I was like, I don't have a good enough movie to talk about. Like, I was racking my brain for like literally.

probably a year now. Like what should I pitch them? And it finally just like slapped me in my like the front of my face. Like Selena is that. Look at this Texas monthly cover that you have. Oh my God. This is from 1995. This happened like right after she died. Obviously like this is a an auditory experience for people. But yeah, I have a Texas monthly from 1985. I will have the cover on the Tumblr listeners. Okay. So it says the senseless shooting of the Tahoe Queen by Joe Nick Patowski. And it's gunned, a special report. Um, yeah, I, I, I seen Ciglino when I was like a child, she, like, in the movie, she goes on, she goes on her, like, little county fair tour, um, and I saw her at the Laredo Halapeno festival. And she, I was a, I was a baby. I was so small. Um, but, uh, yeah, she, all this to say, like, I know that there are tons of reasons why, you know, people would not know her. For me, specifically, like, and for a lot of people like me, my gosh. God, she was everything.

And in the movie, watching it again this time, I was like, wow, she really talks a lot about, or the movie goes out of its way to say, like, she is of the people. Right. They're so important. A lot of the cultural specificity about her, like, not knowing Spanish and, like, being where she's from. Like, they really hit that over the head. And I was like, I must have just not caught it before. Maybe I just think about it a lot now. But it's like, yeah, she was, you know, there was no one like her.

There has been no one like her since. she means your annoying Mexican friend who keeps talking about Selena it's because like there's no one else like not even Jennifer Lopez who I love is not Selena like she she's a Puerto Rican woman and she's great and she's a star but like

we mourn forever like the loss of our one she was our Cedric Diggery like the one hubble who could do it fantastic she was like the one Mexican like who's gonna fucking do it well while we are not, Joe and I are not

gay men who have any Mexican heritage in our background. We are not someone who is ever going to call talking about Selena annoying, because Very true. Very true. One of the things that I think is so interesting about this, and

it makes, obviously, after you watch the movie, it makes sense. The fact that Selena died in 1995, was murdered in 1995. This movie comes out in March of 1997. I had sort of remembered this because it was an awards movie. It was a Golden Globe nominee and whatever. I had sort of remembered it as being a later in the year 97. So like, it is a very, very condensed timeline between when Selena's murdered and when this movie

comes out. And then you watch the movie and you see the involvement that Abraham Kintinia has in the movie. And it's like, well, that makes sense. And it's, and you imagine, And I haven't read interviews with Abraham or whatever, but I would imagine that a lot of this was, he was, you know, sort of a, in the nicest possible terms, control freak with, you know, the- He is a control freak. And I have read the interviews.

And so I would imagine that after this happens and the sort of, you know, the anger and the grief and whatever, but then you want to, you want to make sure that the story being put out there is, your daughter's story is your family's story and with all the media attention that followed it I would imagine a lot of the desire to get this movie out was we're going to tell this story so somebody else doesn't I would think yeah and he the family is very litigious to this day protective of her story protective of her identity I mean and it's easy to criticize because I mean literally they've gone after all sorts of people for trying to you know

capitalize off for success. But, like, I think about his life before her and his trials to start him. And then him knowing, just knowing his daughter was going to make it. And all of a sudden, like, she is most famous now because she died and the way she died. And having to, like, they were on the precipice of becoming global sensations. And she did become one, but it's because she died. And how do you even react to that? Yeah, the movie comes out really, really shortly after the day.

I mean, we were still reeling. Yeah, I would imagine so, yeah. And watching the movie is, I mean, it always makes you cry. Not because obviously, like, it's a horrible thing, but I think about all the people who, the fans, those are real fans who showed up to do the Astrodome scene. To just stand there with the real pictures of Selena and just cry and have like this memorial. Like, it, I love this movie because not only do I think it's a great movie, but I think it's like. Like, it's part of community healing, like, literally. You know, we are coming together.

I'm sure they didn't get paid shit. Like, they said, I'm going to wait. I'm sure shooting a movie sucks as an extra. Especially in, like, outdoor heat, like, that whole kind of thing. Like, yeah, sure. Yes. But, yeah. And so the movie is very special to me and to a lot of people.

And for a lot of different reasons. I also think, like, Jennifer Lopez is stunning. Like, someone asked me. Oh, like, is she good in it or, you know, what's, and I was like, this is, you know, they're trying to capture like lightning in a bottle, you know, to find the person to be this, who Selena was. And, you know, Jennifer Lopez has it. She is a fucking. The fact that it's a star making performance in a story about a sort of star, you know, the making of a, of another star. And that, and I don't, the one thing I don't really want to get into is the comparing of, you know, sort of star trajectories of Celina and Jennifer Lopez in the concept, but I did think

of like, Jennifer Lopez, to me, and again, somebody who does not have the Selena context, is to me a bigger global superstar than Selena was. And Jennifer Lopez had the time to sort of like build that career. But I think how...

Her career has been longer than Selena was alive. But how unlikely that is to, when that casting happened, that the worry is, are we going to find an actress who can capture this level of star wadage that somebody became such a huge beloved superstar so quickly? And then you end up casting one of the very few people in the world who could emulate that kind of star trajectory and take it to the place that Jennifer Lopez has. Yeah. And it's easy to remember like Jennifer Lopez was not yet the Jennifer Lopez. No, she was a fly girl.

She was not a pop star yet. She was not like I think she had done one or two movies before with Gregory. Nava, like, she was, my God, if I could take you to South Texas in 1995, when the casting call comes out for this, the way that every little Mexican young woman went out to try and audition, I mean, it was nuts. The little girl who plays young Selena in this movie, she was from the valley where my mom grew up, and she was like a minor local celebrity for a while. I remember very specifically she recorded like Borden. milk commercials that would play.

Oh my God. And but people were furious when Jennifer Lopez was going to ask because casting a Puerto Rican American as a furious. And I think to this day, I was just reading Shea Serrano's book, movies and other things. And he has a whole like section on it. And he talks about like Jennifer Lopez is not Mexican, but she is one of us. She is just, we have invited her in to the fold because she, I think everyone was furious. And then watch the movie and we're like, fuck.

Yeah. Yep. That was right. That was right. She got it. She did that. Off topic, but you mentioned Shea Serrano and his new TV show, Primo, by the way, on Amazon FreeV. Cannot recommend it highly enough.

It's so funny and so good. I reviewed it for Texas Monthly. Oh, nice. I reviewed it for prime timer. That's fantastic. I'll have to rejoice. Yeah. Yeah.

Joint slay. And we talked about, we talked about, you know, my, my reviews a lot about how, like, there is zero Spanish in this show. The one Spanish word is the title. Yes. The title is, in fact, incorrect, because Primo means. Right, right. That took me a second to like, to, I was like, wait, I think I know. That's of the Spanish that I know.

That's a word that I know. Yeah. Right. But, um, but yeah, yeah, Shay is great. Um, what I've realized is Shea is like the straight version. Like, I was like, whenever I read all this stuff, I'm like, wow, he's so passionate, but I don't care about Fastenegu is at all. That's funny.

But anyway, I just looked it up because I wanted to see how soon the behind the music on Selena was, because that was the other sort of source of info on this. And that's the one that would not have been controlled by the Kintinia family, obviously. And that came out in March of 98. So that was one year after the movie comes out. Yeah, I remember the movie being included in the behind the music. Do they have, is that where they have the interview with Yolanda? And that's why, that's what I find interesting is I would imagine that that was probably a sore spot with the family too. You don't want to allow this, you know, the murderer of your daughter to, in any way, sort of like gain notoriety from this.

Right. Yeah. And that's, I remember seeing her like talking about she was my best friend. I, you know, she still claims she never, she didn't do it. it wasn't her um and uh yeah but yeah it's it's it's it's wild she for a good three four years she became national news you know and it's almost as if like that um scene in the movie where she's at the mall and people are like what's going on that was happening national yeah you know like why are all these like the hanos and like mexican americans like freaking out what's going on and then when you hear the story you're like that is fucking

devastating yes yeah um well we've already I think we've covered the why did you want to choose Salina as your choice. One of our regular questions with our guests. But it is your first time here. Yes. We do ask our first time guests. We want to know your Oscar origin story. We want to know when the Oscars sort of became a thing for you when you first sort of noticed them.

Yeah. I would say that I became an Oscar person like a little bit later in life because We were not a movie going family as youths. That was like a luxury. It was very much like if Theo's and Theaz were in town and we need to like take kids away to like, you know, keep them busy. Sure. So, you know, it wasn't until later and probably like around middle school and I would see like Entertainment Weeklys at the dentist office. Sure.

And it was like, Oscar, this and that. And like they talked about the academy as some sort of like otherworldly force or being. And I remember, I just also loved being that little know-it-all piece of shit in my family being. Actually, guys, the buzz really is that Will Smith is going to get it this year. But like, because I read Entertainment Weekly. Yeah, yeah, totally. But, but, but, and then realizing learning that like, oh, the academy are these people, like there's a group of people. It's not just like, I don't know, some movie overlords in a closet somewhere.

Right. And, and, and, and then, yeah, just like. deeply, I mean, the reason I, like, I do the show with Gavin, and, and you guys and Gavin share, like, the same, like, movie mental illness that you just, like, know everything, remember all you're very smart people. I am a big dumb, dumb, but just, like, I'm so taken by the catharsis. I went to the Academy Museum in L.A. was fully crying in the room where they're showing the speeches, just because, like, some of these people, like, they win Oscars and then just, like, disappear into thin air, you know? Like, but my God, you finally fucking did the thing. And so, yeah, I don't know. There's just like so much, I remember when highly Barry won and I was crying there with her.

It's just a lot of emotion. It's so emotional. Yeah. And I, unfortunately, am an emotional boy. We love that. We love that. As are we. Um, all right, Chris, where do we begin with, uh, with Selena?

Let's just maybe get into the 60-second plot description. so that we can just dive in to the movie itself. Listeners, we're here talking about the motion picture, Selena, written and directed by Gregory Nava, starring Jennifer Lynn Lopez, Edward James Almos, Lupe on Tavares, we will get into it. Constance Marie, John Seda, Jackie Gera, and Jacob Vargas, the movie premiered in wide release March 21st, 1997.

Louis, as our guest, you are charged with the 60-second plot description. Are you ready? I was born ready. All right, then Louis, your 60-second plot description for Selena, starts now. Okay, so Abraham Ketania is like a Jersey boy of the Texas Gulf Coast. And it's the 60s, and he wants to sing his little doo-op. But the white restaurants are like, absolutely not.

You're Mexican. And so he tries, he has his band, the Dinos. They try and playing in the Mexican restaurants. and they're like, We're like, he's not Mexican enough, he's not American enough. Cut to the 80s. He has children now. He's married. He's given up on his dreams of being a singer. But then he discovers that his daughter, Selena,

who's nine years old, is an icon. So he starts a band with the family. They go on tour for a long time. They're learning the washing machine. She eventually becomes an icon, but at age 23, is murdered by the president of her fan club. And, yeah, it's fucked. All right, with 12 seconds to spare.

Boom. That was the same plot description. Okay, the beginning of the movie when you have this woman, the same actress, not once, but twice, screaming with a fist in the air, we want to dance! Why don't we have this as a jiff? Why can't we tweet it at the pop girlies who want to make their moody album? Yeah, yeah. It's, uh, that, that gift or that meme does live, like, in the culture. of like South Texas, just like

when you're at like the like Quintanera has been like everyone knows there are so many lines from this movie that like we can just say to each other and we absolutely already know like the language of speaking. I love that.

This is again, this was being the first time that I've watched the whole thing together. I don't think I ever quite appreciated that this movie like does take its time to get you to adult Selena like the

Jennifer Lopez of it all you spend a lot of time with sort of the family and sort of seeing what this family unit is and Edward James Almost and Constance Marie

and they're sort of their marriage and he's Like how you say Reaganomics He's such a There's a whole scene that is basically

like fuck Ronald Reagan that could That would not be in any other movie, but I'm so happy it's there. No, it's fantastic. Abraham's such a complicated character, and I do for, you know, a movie that he had so much control over, I give him credit for sort of painting this very complicated picture, or sort of like overseeing this very complicated picture of himself, and Edward James almost performs it so well. It's intimidating at every moment.

Yeah, but also like striving and kind of, you know, you can see why he pushed, you know, his kids and you can sort of look at that and just be like, okay, how much was this him wanting to live his, you know, dreams of being a musician through his kids and how much of this was, you see this little spark of stardom in your daughter and you think like this is sort of, you know, our ticket out. And there's complicated, you know, emotions on that. And this is not a movie that sort of simplifies that, which I think, you know, to its credit. And then by the time you get to Jennifer Lopez, you've, like, laid a really strong foundation. I'm glad you kind of bring this up because, you know, this movie did have a lot of involvement from the family. And, like, that kind of, I think, in the two and a half decades since this movie and the amount of biopics and musical biopics we've seen that do feel incredibly authorized. biography and we know all the pitfalls of that and those have made for a lot of really boring unengaging movies and like this movie has the like potential for that and it kind of avoids it at every turn

I think by kind of how emotionally invested we get in that it's not just Selena story it feels very much like the story of a family yeah for a lot of the movie um well the dream of motifs they do a really good job of Constance Marie legend who plays Marcella the mom Oh, I'll talk about it for sure. She like she there I didn't recognize

there's a moment in the restaurant She's like you told me You weren't going to quit your job For this fucking restaurant Yeah You told me you talk about your dream But what about my dream My dream was to like have my kids safe

To raise them in a house And her dream It is like he's like My dream is more important Like basically Right And they have to move in with like uncles and aunts

And, like, you know, they live kind of a poorer life. And then, you know, Selena's like, I'm looking at the moon, you know, like my dream. And she has dreams. When she's killed, like, she's like, I've been having dreams about my future. And so, and then, of course, like, the fucking movie ends on dreaming of you. Like, it's just, I hadn't really, you know, considered how strong that motif of dreams. Yeah. And, and your, but hearing you talk about that, Joe, like, he, he willed this fucking thing to happen.

Yeah. And, like, it was that. And then also Selena just being a fucking, like, legendary, you know, performer coming together. It's, like, magic. The Constance Marie of it, although I want to talk about it. Because, and I guess to start talking about Gregory Navas' previous film to this, which was my family, Mi Familia, which was a couple years before this. And I remember seeing that it was pretty well publicized movie. I feel like it was a New Line movie.

It was a studio movie. And it was Jimmy Smith's, and I remember even at the time, and I was, like I said, like, a teenager. Like, I wasn't really, you know, at all sophisticated. But I remember thinking, like, well, that's kind of silly that it needs to have this Americanized title. You know what I mean? Like, we couldn't connect the dots from Mifamilia. Like, it's so strange. It's so 90s in that way of, like, not quite trusting that white America could, like, figure that out if they didn't.

But I remember that being, like, a. pretty decently sized movie and like all of the major cast members of selina are in that movie edward james almost and constance marie and lopez and in a small world jennifer lopez yeah jennifer lopez plays constance marie's mom in my family oh that's fantastic oh she's in the flashback and jennifer lopez is like the grandma and then the grandchild grows up to be constance marie i was like this is crazy that's crazy yeah um but i've still never seen it as the thing is like i was that was i was just too young to sort of like go and see like interesting movies i was still seeing just the movies that all my friends were going to go see which were like Jurassic park and speed and you know what i mean

like all the big you know movies um having that scene is that is it is it a good sort of precursor to uh oh yeah i mean i i think the one i talked we talked about this movie in our Jennifer Lopez episode of The Mix Reviews and what I've realized watching it now as an adult, the visual language of this movie is very much hearkening to Tejano

music video style. There's a lot of like split screens. There's a lot of like camera movements and like kind of these like washes that kind of happen. In that Mexico concert scene like the camera fully goes wide like in nowhere. And for some

people like it's cheesy, it's corny And I get that. Like, you know, it's not your typical, like, glossy movie. But, like, the visual language is the language of Tejano. Like, it is the is. Yeah. And I think My Familia is also in that same language. I watched this movie in college.

I took one, like, film discourse class. I don't fucking know. Sure. And we watched this movie. And I was like, wow, it's – and even with this movie, we – Mexicans and Mexican Americans have been having the same fucking conversations for decades on just like, how do you be a good Mexican? How do you not be? And like, are you two white? I mean, there's that whole conversation in the movie that he has about that. Yeah. And in my

family, one of the brothers, his name is Guillermo. But when he grows up, he is William now. And he will ask you to treat him as such. And because he wants to assimilate. He wants to be one of us, like, all those things. And like, no shade. He wants to fucking succeed. And like, for a long time, that's what you fucking had to do. That's what my mom did. And, and, And, and yeah, and so the scene where Selina's like, please, Dad, let us go to Monterey. I mean, my God, even just like, Selena, like, the way she fucking, like, everyone calls her Selena. And then when they go to Mexico. It's very jam hooks talking about the Alamo, right?

Like, Selena. Yeah. And then when they go to Mexico and they're performing, all the fans are saying, Selena, Selena. Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, I, every, I was watching the movie. I was like, iconic scene alert, iconic scene alert. There's so many when she's like, me Siento very excited.

Like, yes, that is just, yes. It's just so good. Like, she, yeah, she had to impress Oprah and Christina. And she fucking did it. And so, yeah, there's a lot of that, like, visual language from my family in this movie. They very much feel like a strong pairing. And I didn't realize until way later that Gregory Navar was at hands in both.

Yeah. Makes a lot of sense. So you mentioned Tejano music video style, and I want to sort of ask you about that, too, because that's another thing where we talked about how after Selena died was sort of when that crossover album really got a lot of play on American music video channels and whatnot. And I think that was also when just Tejano as a genre, as a style, became known to a whole lot of people. And that's, and, and Selena being a, you know, the crossover Tejano star, how representative, I guess, of, of, you know, Tehano style versus how accessible is a Tehano Star. Do you know what I mean? Like, can you speak to that? Yeah, sure.

I mean, like, I think the thing about her is, I mean, in the movie, she says, I love Donna Summer, I want to play rock music. And the movie starts with her singing Donna Summer. Yeah. And that's the thing. Like she as a kid loved these artists. And then as an adult brought them into, I mean, A.B. says, I'm going to write the music. I'm going to bring some of that funk into it.

And, you know, if you know one Selena song in Spanish, it's probably Bidi Bambum. Yeah. And that was like her kind of like biggest hit. And if you were an American listener who only knew dreaming of you or her other English songs, and they were like, oh, let me see. you've heard Beed Beedie Bambam, you were like, oh, my God, Tejano music slays. Yeah. And, and, and, and, and, but I think all Tejano music is not like Selena, because Selena was very accessible.

She had to learn the rancheros and like all the classics, um, to, to get them in. But then you see her at the El Paso County Fair fucking like with her boostier and she's dancing and, you know, doing the running man. Like, yes. Yes. She, she, she was a child of the time, you know? Like, and, and so she was able to walk the line and appreciate the culture of, um, the Tejano culture, the Mexican culture and understand that. But also being like, I want to fucking party. I want to like dance and I want to have fun.

She was wearing bell bottoms. Like, hello? Yeah. Oh. And like, it's, it's funny because we think of, I think because of the movie and because of the crossover album happening in the sort of mid to late 90s. we maybe don't think of her within the context of what was pop music at the time, which was Debbie Gibson and Tiffany and sort of like mall pop. And like this is an interesting conversation with the mall pop of that era, right?

The new kids on the block of, you know, what, you know, white American pop music was at the time. And it's interesting to play Selena in that context as well, where she's just this young girl who's, you know, singing the music that she loves. Yeah. Yeah. And also, it's wild. I was watching the movie with my friend and he was like, how old is she? When we finally meet Selena, adult Selena, I was like, how old is she?

She's literally like 17. Right, right. Because she dies when she's 23 years old. Right. Like, it's crazy to me. Like, I remember exactly where I was when I heard that she had died. Yeah. And it's wild to me that I'm now old, like a lot older than Selena ever will be.

But what the fuck was my thought? going on this. But, oh, yeah. I mean, it's, it's, I don't think a lot of people understand how young she was. Yeah. And to have that much charisma to be able to work a crowd as well as she did. Yeah. And I think the movie does a really good job of that at the press conference in Mexico.

She's shaking hands, kissing babies. Yeah. She is able to, there's, I think they said, you know, 10,000, 30,000, an ocean of people who are literally killing each other to, like, party with Selena. Yeah. And she's able to shut them all the fuck. up with one, like, well-placed finger and, like, one of her bangers. Yeah.

Like, wild. It's incredible. The other thing I wanted to say before I take the pin out of the Constance Marie thing, because I did want to mention that when, so, like, the first half hour of this movie, before, when Selena's still a kid, Constance Marie is so, like, otherworldly, gorgeous and beautiful, like, just as an actress, but also, like, in this role. She's luminous and she's so charismatic. You mentioned the washing machine scene where she's dancing with Selena on the pier or whatever they, wherever they are.

And it's so, she's so fun and she's so like, you know, sort of like, and then you cut to the flash forward and they have put this woman in the most librarian ass wig that you've ever seen in your entire life. And I'm like, oh, Constance Marie, what have they done? you. What have they done to you? And it's all because they don't do anything to No, they don't. They don't. That's the thing. Oh, my God. And it's so funny because, like, at the very beginning of the movie, it starts with, you know, adult Salima on stage singing Donna Summer before they flash back. And so you see Abraham and, what's... Marcella. Thank you. Marcella. Like, she's, like, working the, you know, the booth or whatever. And so, and but you don't, like, it's so quick that I did.

didn't clock it. And then all of a sudden, I'm like, in my head, I'm like, oh, they're about to flashboard. I'm like, oh, what's that the woman with that way? And then I was something doing. It's just like, oh, my God. It's just like, I, you know, no shade. But like, it's, oh, Constance Marie. You're too beautiful for this world.

It's rough. But I think, like, their relationship and their chemistry is very good. So good. Mother, daughter. Yes. There's so many moments where Selena, like, is a little girl. And she's just, like, kind of like, even as an adult wrapping up in her mom's arms being like, mom, I want a farm, I want to have a baby, I love Chris. And she is like the

solve to, you know, the, I don't know, the crassness of Abraham. Yeah. And she's the one she's like, I think she looks cute. Oh my God. The amount of narrative attention that Bustia gets, by the way, is so incredibly, like, amazing. What a flashback to a time to where it's like, it's just Bustier, but it was so... Stand out. Well, it's like in, like, El. or whatever, where they're, like, put Elvis in a jumpsuit or whatever. And it's just like, it's that same level of iconography, right? It's just like, the birth of Selena's Bustia.

And I mean, the way that as children, we would say Busti Kaka all the time to each other, like, that was just, I mean, there's so many funny, I mean, I don't think people talk enough about how funny this movie is. Yeah. The scene, Busti Kaka is hilarious, but also the scene when, like, the Cholos come to rescue them from the side of the road. Oh my God, I love that scene. Salinas, like that, anything for us, I'll put it on my wall. Like, it's just so, so good. And I just love, and Jennifer Lopez has that, just charm. She's able to just, like, kind of, you know, roll with it all.

And it's just so, she's a little bit shy also. She's like, guys, stop. I'm not hot and, like, super famous or anything. Well, and again, it's like Jennifer Lopez in this, like, breakthrough role in this movie about a modern sort of Tehano pop star, that's going to like call back to what happened one night in that scene where she's just like I can like you know I can flag down a car and they'll stop and they're like no it won't and then all of a sudden it's just like she's like she's up there and and and it's so like it's obviously you know a call back to that movie well the type of family story that's happening before even the fame stuff comes into the movie does like feel like it's creating this like capra story that feels very intentional you know like and it's very clever like they they have young a b say like well i'll write the songs then and then what do you know like when he's older he is a producer writing all these songs right there's

all these little like bits you know she wants the farm as a as a kid and then grow up and she's with chris and you know she's like let's have babies let's have you know have a farm and stuff i also want a side movie about suzat kintania uh i know talk about like like jennifer Lopez, Selena, whatever, otherworldly, so beautiful, such a star or whatever. And it's like, yeah, but like, Suzette would be the one I would be, like, hanging with.

You know what I mean? Like, Suzette is the one, she's like, Selena's so fucking crazy. Yeah. She's the one talking shit in the back. She's like the cool girl. Yes. Absolutely.

And I, can't be say? John Seda is so fucking. Okay, we need to have a whole conversation about John Seda. The hair cutting sequence. Oh. John Seda in the 90s. I talk a lot.

about like early sort of like gay crushes for me I was I was a late I was a late bloomer it was one of those things obviously like we all grew up gay and we all have these those things where it's just like when you realize it to yourself and then all of a sudden it's just like oh this thing that's always been there but it was like it was a lot of me sort of like realizing that like I was attracted to men like during high school and whatever and it would be why I would be just, like, watching a movie. Like, so he shows up in primal fear in a very, very small role where, like, the thing about primal fear is that Edward Norton's character plays this, like, altar boy who was, uh, abused,

like, sort of sexually abused by this priest, and this priest would film videos of him having sex with his girlfriend and his other friend who played, who was played by John Seda. And you barely see him in this movie, but I'm like, that is an incredibly beautiful man. Then he's in the very, very first episode of Oz, the HBO, sort of like landmark HBO show about the maximum security prison or whatever. And he gets, like, he gets killed in the very first episode of Oz. And it's sort of like this, like, you think it's not quite like Drew Barrymore on screen, but you do feel like the- Young Joe Reed is watching this. Like, why am I crying?

Well, it's like it's one of those things where you feel like he's being set up as the main character. And then he gets killed by the end of the first episode. And it's like, it's sort of one of these things like, nobody's safe, this place is so violent, blah, blah, blah, blah. And not even a haughty like Johnson. Well, I was going to say, like, everybody's sort of like awful and everybody's a criminal. And some of the people are a little bit more like soulful, like, what's his name, Harold Perrinow's character is sort of this like more likable person. But they're all, you know, these, you know, very rough and violent people, whatever. And then me, I'm watching it and I'm just like, but he's so beautiful.

Yeah. So like, anytime he shows up in anything. I like it like that. Like, I like it like that in 1984. Yes. So, yeah. So devastatingly cute. Um, we watched that movie for the show as well.

And like him and, uh, is it Lauren Valaz? Lauren Valaz also on Oz. She was a major character on Oz. Yeah. They are so hot, so good. But. And that was kind of a big movie. It played the Cannes Film Festival.

It was an independent spirit award. Nominee, perhaps winner, I think, maybe even. Um, it was like, I remember being like an indie kind of an indie big deal. Yeah. And I just think his energy as Chris in who the bad boy rock and roller guy. Oh my God. He's got heavy metal hair.

Like that. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. And his whole vibe is like, I feel good. Yeah, man. Let's do it. I like hot sauce.

Like it's this, you know, very kind of grumpy boy. Yeah. Yeah. And like Selena's just like with her enormous mouth. red fucking lips and she's like But Daddy I love him Oh my God I love it daddy I love him scene

Daddy I love him No It's very it's very Ariel and Triton When you think about that I was gonna say Ariel and Triton She's 21 years old and she's like I want to get married

Yes he's never gonna learn He's not gonna we have to do Chris Do you left me like it is intense At 21 It's true And then they can't go back to Corpus Christi Because the news has broken on the radio.

I know. Oh, my God. Yeah, but he's so gorgeous. And their relationship is credibly innocent, too, is the other thing. It's like, you really, it's very kind of an old-fashioned falling in love thing where they're just, like, well, they're the two most beautiful people in the universe in this movie. And so, of course, they have to end up together. And that feels very, like, old, like, old-fashioned in a way.

But there's also this. But we have the benefit of this being a... story. Well, right. Oh, yeah, exactly. Exactly. But also, like, we're just going to cast them as, like, the two most, like, richest people ever. There's also the scene where he, they're in, is it Vegas or L.A.?

I can't remember. They're in L.A. And it's like, well, you can't let this boy loose in L.A. because all of his rocker friends are going to come over and trash a hotel room. Right. Well, because one of the other band members is like, you're never going to end up with her. You're not good enough with her. Like, he's, it's, it's his inner saboteur coming up.

It is. And he's like, I guess I'm just going to call up guns and roses and they're going to come over and we're going to trash my hotel room. Yeah. Speaking of inner saboteurs, can we say I watched this last night after watching Drag Race because I saw you tweet that. It's perfect. Like, accidentally walked into the former rest and peace tradition of the movies that would play on VH1 after Drag Race. And this was definitely one of them. Yes.

And it was perfect. Yes, you were feeling Jessica Wilde. Well, I mean. Yeah. Okay, so we're all rooting for Jessica Wilde, right? I'm rooting for a few people, but like Jessica Wilde is definitely a month. Jessica and Heidi for me.

Jessica, Heidi, and my dark horse is James. I love James Mansfield. I love James. Hot man. What a hot man. We can all agree. We can all agree. Mexican Man.

Yes. I think it's a generally a pretty likable cast, I will say. Last night, the gray band Dan a scene. I was like, James Mansfield and it's bondage, this is good information to know. Alexis Michelle, very eagerly disclosing that she has been in a swing, would love to be there again. Alexis Michelle, as the main character of her own mind, but also this show is so funny to me. It's so, because, like, she couldn't be that on her season, because her original season was, like, Sheikoulet and Sasha Valour and Pepperman and, like, all these, like, bigger

personalities. And now she's just like, it is my time to shine. I'm going to cry, I'm going to talk, I'm going to do whatever, and it's amazing. I'm going to be horny on Maine. Oh, 100%. It's so fantastic to watch. The straight face that she presented, like, yes, I do want to fuck la la la la re. She's like, I'm just not joking. I'm not making a thing of it.

Jimbo, I did in fact slide into your DMs, the SACTS. Anyone else? Anyone else? I will also say now, and I don't know what happens in Snatch Game this season, but if she does not do Sada Ramirez, but actually just Che Diaz, like, because you can't do characters because, like, that feels like, uh, missed opportunity.

Fate. Anyway, um, all of these people could have been voted off by the time that this episode aired. That's true. This episode's not coming up for so long. We're ahead. We're ahead of the pace. Um, we should talk about Jennifer Lopez, you guys. We should get into the Jennifer Lopez of it all. Okay, can we, for, the thing I think I need to lead us into the

Jennifer Lopez conversation. Anaconda is released like three weeks after Salina. I was going to say, it's also a spring movie, right? I remember, yeah. So it's just like, what a catapult, like. Jennifer Lopez was nowhere and then she was everywhere. Because also U-turn is at the end of this year. I remember U-turn, speaking of Entertainment Weekly, being like a two-page splash in their

fall movie preview that year. Like U-Turn was going to be a big one, and it sure was not. But I remember seeing it. But like, is she still in an Oliver Stone movie in... And it's like the second lead in that movie, right? It's like Sean Penn and her. Like, she's the second lead of that movie. So what a weird and not super fun movie, but like, it's a bizarre one.

I think like, you know, this is the era of like the, what music colleges might call, like, the mini Latino boomlet of, like, the early millennium where I mean, she was, she obviously is a star. and she's amazing, but, like, right place, right time. Because, you know, it was kind of like between her, Enrique Iglesias, who also had had a career in Mexico and in Spanish-speaking world, Shakira. Well, that was the thing is all of these crossover stars would be huge. Like, I remember it, like, the Shakira and Ricky Martin of it all, especially. And Enrique Iglesias is another good one where it's like these people break through. And, like, again,

Soap opera Joe, I remember Ricky Martin from General Hospital. So, like, when Ricky Martin broke through, it wasn't, to me, it wasn't like, oh, it's Ricky Martin from Minuto and from, like, the Cup of Life or whatever. It's like, Miguel from General Hospital is a big giant crossover start now? Watching this movie last night, I was like, Wisconsin's Marie on a soap, doesn't matter. Joe will bring it up if she was. I was like, there's a zero percent chance of Joe not bringing up a soap.

I don't remember Constance Marie from a soap, although it wouldn't surprise me. I remember her from the George Lopez show. George Lopez show. She is every Mexican-American's one now. She was. She was apparently Nikki Alvarez on Santa Barbara, which was a show that I didn't really watch because by 1990 it had gotten canceled, or by the early 90s. I'm not sure 1990, but anyway. She was also a dancer, though.

She was on tour with, like, Paul Abdul, and, you know, she, she, I think both her and Jennifer Lopez have a lot of great physicality. They're in such command of their bodies. and it's because they're dancers. And I think, like, a lot of, I mean, okay, so let's talk about Jennifer Lopez and, like, her acting in this movie. Yeah. Lai girl. Constance Marie, by the way, is only, like, a few years older than Jennifer Lopez, just for the record.

That's, again, why the librarian wig was necessary. They said, we got to age it up. Yeah. I think a lot of this movie is a physical performance, like, clearly. Oh, yeah. Like, you can't have Selena without her body, without her dancing around. You can see Jennifer really working. those fucking nails, really

working that mouth, you know, just like making it very big. Yes. She has the accent. I mean, I cannot stress enough. Like, that is exactly how Texas girlies from that like region sound. It's, it is very impressive. Somebody who,

somebody like Jennifer Lopez, who by this point plays, not necessarily like, oh, she's always the same person in a movie, but like she is first and foremost Jennifer Lopez. Even when she's Ramona in Hustlers, a great performance and a great acting performance, she's still first and foremost, Jennifer Lopez.

And I think in Selena, I think you're right to bring up the physicality of it, and it's small choices, right? It's not these, like, big, you know, these big sort of like transformational things, but it's small choices and you're watching it, and like this is the least

like Jennifer Lopez I've maybe ever seen her in a movie. What's wild is that, I think for me, specifically, but probably for a lot of people with my experience being Mexican American of my age. She has overtaken the face

of the real Selena. I don't remember this face when I think of Selena. I think of Jennifer Lopez's face. Which is so wild when people talk about how I think the transformation in this performance

is in her dancing and in that physicality you guys were talking about that it looks like her. I would also credit the costume designer Like, you want to talk about Oscars, nominations of this movie, you should have had. Elizabeth Baraldo's costume design is part of the transformation of Selena and how convincing it is.

But, like, facially, she does not look like Selena. I mean, Selena, I mean, so, like, Selena is a beautiful woman, but, like, she looks very Mexican. Yeah. That is, and Jennifer Lopez, I would say, is a more classically beautiful woman. Like, and that's, like, they're both beautiful. Like, let's be fucking real. Um, but, and I think that's also why people were maybe mad that she was cast and not someone who looked more like Selena. And so, and that's maybe why also I think, you know, I know we'll talk later about like why this movie didn't do as well maybe as it, um, wanted to or people had hopes it would.

But it's, there is a jarringness to the end of this movie. There is a, there's a very abrupt, you know, like she's dreaming. She's about to cross over. They don't drag out the murder at all. Very abrupt. Like before you know what the movie is over. Like, yeah. Yeah, they don't, they don't show anything.

And it's a dream sequence and she drops the rose, like in the middle of the song. And then it's just like newscasters and ambulances and crying. And then boom, you're into this vigil, you know. And everyone's holding pictures of the real Selena. Yeah. And I think like, you know, this movie and a lot of movies like this have so much fucking legwork to, I mean, like you said, Mi Familia had to be called

My Family Me Familia. This movie does the same thing. The fucking woman at the beginning says, We want to dance, but she would never fucking really say that. She would, like, and so this movie has a lot of work to do to get fucking white people,

like, not only interested, but like caring about these people. Yeah. And there is jarringness at the end seeing these very Mexican-looking people holding a picture that is not Jennifer Lopez. Right. And this horrible.

thing happened and the brutality of this moment has to kind of like be smoothed over. Yeah. Because it is such a fucking downer. Like there is no happy ending here. Right. There is no, you know, uh, there's no epilogue and there's no like thing that says like Selena would go on to whatever. Right. None of that. It's just like Selena Kintinia like 19 whatever to 95. Boom, black. And it's it's kind of like, oh my God. Like what the fuck? We just saw her a Grammy and she's gorgeous. Yeah. And to me, it's tough.

To me, it's the, it's the weakest part of the movie sort of comparatively. I think it, for a movie that feels so assured through most of it, I think you get the sense in that last sort of 15 minutes that it doesn't quite know how to end itself and how to, and I think there, I'm sure there are, you know, issues of authorship, right? You know, we go back to, you know, the family and how much maybe the family doesn't want to linger or sort of, you know, exploit the grief of their own family. And you totally understand that. And yet, it does feel like the movie is sort of hustling past this point to get to the vigil of it all, as you mentioned. And, well, yeah.

So, say, there's a, there is some, like, I don't want to say shenanigans, but. They, the family, I don't know if this is accurate or not, but they were, I think, Seventh-day Adventist. Oh, okay. I thought Jehovah's Witnesses. Oh, maybe Jehovah's. They were, like, they were, like, alternative Christians. Yeah. So there was talk of, like, they did not want her to get a blood transfusion because of religious things.

Which probably would have, like, fucked up a little bit of, like, in the end, it doesn't matter. Like, she's fucking dead. Sure, sure. But, like, I'm sure that they were, like, we're not going to fucking talk about how we were not allowing. Right, right. extreme measures to something that a more neutral authorship might have lingered on yeah right and and yeah like the movie does rush to kind of like you know she's she has a moment where she's I'm dreaming I'm dreaming she has the dream she's singing a song and then and it kind of leans on the familiarity that it assumes the audience has with like this is the part of the story that you know even you white people in the audience this is the part of the story that you've seen. on the news and you've you're familiar with so maybe we can just sort of like yada yada yolanda yada news reports you know that kind of a thing well i mean i think maybe it's a little bit more

of a creative risk and i i kind of feel like the abruptness of this you know sequence and it happening in terms of the story does really sell especially because the movie is such an emotional movie it's like tapping into our emotions at every point even if it's like a sentimentality i think it really set it really as a story sells the level of impact that it has of how abruptly her life and her career was cut short um yeah and even if that sounds like trite i think it's to me very effective in the movie, in a way that it does, like, the thing that a lot of biopics do, where it's like, and

now we show you footage of the real person. Right, right, right. In, like, that always feels cheap. I think because of that, and yes, it is kind of taking a creative risk, because it becomes a very different movie than what you've been watching, uh, to me

was very effective. Sure. I wonder if, if this movie had been made five, ten years after she had died, they'd been they would have been able to say like Selena, you know, with a little bit of an epilogue. Like, right. Actually, her impacts, you know, at that moment, they

didn't know. Right. They were, they were trying to get their daughter's name out there, get her story out there. Yeah. Like, we're here. We're fucking here. And and, and so I think like there's a couple thing, like, the movie is not functioning just as a piece of entertainment in this moment. It's healing. Yeah.

You know, there's, you know, catharsis with these actual fans and people. And then also like, just trying. to, you know, God, if her fucking life, this is all it is, like, we need to, like, put it out now while people still care. Yeah. Because would this movie be, I mean, I think, yes, this movie would be made now because she has had the enduring, staying power with so many people. But at the moment, I bet you, Abraham was like, fuck, are people going to forget my daughter? Right.

And that's heartbreaking, you know? Sure. Yeah. Well, and it feels like you can imagine after the grief of it all, there is the. anger of it all and a very understandable anger of it all of this, you know, my daughter was robbed of this gorgeous, beautiful life that she was going to have, this gorgeous, beautiful career, this impact that she was going to have on the whole world. And because of this, you know, one, you know, unhinged and selfish and, you know, a person. Can we talk about Lupe on DeVaris, please? Can we please talk about Lupe on DeVos?

May she rest, fucking legend, character actress, genius. I mean, the thing you forget... She's too good in this movie. She's too good. She's too good. You want more of her. Just like in every movie she was in. She shows up, like, fully an hour and a half into the movie.

Oh, and like... So long. I kind of feel like the, you know, the closeness of the family to the production of the movie is partly why you barely have y'allel. Landa in this movie, and, like, more so serving a full narrative function. But then on top of that, like, to make that work, you do need somebody who is this, like, immediate screen presence when they show up. And we should maybe also do, especially because it did well for her, we should do real

women have curves at some point. Yeah. Because she's tremendous in that. tremendous in Chuck and Buck, another movie that we could do. Chuck and Buck, she got like a critics prize for, right? She got, I'm pretty sure she might have won Indy Spirit,

but she won, I think it was like National Border Review or National Society for that movie. She's tremendous. Like, she does not get to be funny in this movie, but she can be incredibly funny. Her other 1997 movie, though, that off the top of my head, I remembered,

was she's in one scene in as good as it gets, where she shows up at Greg Kinnear's apartment when Jack Nicholson is sort of taking care of him is not quite the term, but like after Greg Kinnear gets attacked. And she's telling Jack Nicholson, like, open his curtains, let him see the glory of God's world. And Nicholson in a racist, sort of like, very racist. yeah um but but you know consistent with his character kind of a thing um and i remember that line being in the trailer so like loopy and de verros is like fully like in the trailer of this movie and whatever and the the the punchline of the thing is you know sell crazy someplace else we're all

stocked up here which is the line that is in the trailer and not the you know horrible you know yeah racism of that scene i mean i think when i say that she's too good in this movie she's too good because for a generation of Mexican Americans that bitch is Yolanda. Sure. And fuck her. Yeah. And fuck her. And fuck her little egg ring and like her

little mop of hair. I mean like the scene of her in the salon where she's like, well the salon or she's like, she just has this like a little, I don't know, of course. No, I'll take care of it. Yes, of course. And then when she's confronted, I don't know, but I'll find it. Yeah. Like she

has like this very, I don't know. She is She's giving so much with a little bit that she's given. Yes. When she's like, after the shooting, she's like, I don't deserve to live. That was my best friend. She really is making the sweetest lemonade out of the sourest lemon. Yeah. And yeah, unfortunately, I'm so sorry, Lupe.

Like, I'm sure people until she died were like, Yolanda. So I'm looking at her filmography from around this. sort of time, and she is in the direct-to-video third Candyman movie, which is called Candyman Day of the Dead, and her character is only credited as Abuela, so I don't imagine she's a prominent role in that movie, but... I mean, she was the, just like the working Mexican actress, like just doing every made part, doing, you know, and doing it at the best of her. ability.

Sure. Fucking like, what were her options? Oh, right. Like, she's working, man. She's,

you know, she's working. And blessed to every, you know, person of color who's like, I would never take those roles. Like, good for you, babe.

It's fucked either way. It's fucked either way. And you can't, like, you know, Constance Marie has talked about, like, her auditioning and, like, people asking her to be more Mexican or Spanish or whatever.

Like, and I'm sure, like, Gina Rodriguez has talked about, like, you know, she doesn't, she, she got offered a part in, like, devious maids. And she was like, I'm not going to fucking play a maid. Oh my God, devious maids. I was at ABC when that was being developed, devious maids. And, like, pop off. Like, good for Gina Rodriguez. And, like, she's been able to have a career that is not. But it's off the back of people like Lupe and Tvers who, like, is showing that, like, yes, I can do more and I can be well-rounded and, and, you know, and fucking slay at these, like, tiny little parts. So, Lupe, may she rest. And that's why Chuck and Buck was such an interesting role for her, because it was like, for once she's getting a role with some meat on that bone a little bit. And it's like, she's not the lead in that movie, but it's at least a substantial supporting role in that. Yeah, I can't imagine Abraham Kintinia would be happy to hear me say of us, but I did want more of Yolanda in this movie. Like, part of it was because I think

Lou Pandavas is such a... Oh, who's playing her? I think also, like, the movie, like, one of the shortcomings of the movie, I will say, is that it feels very random and bizarre that, like, she's like, that's my best friend. And, like, that's my... Right. You know, we don't... They don't really put a base of, like, why

would Selena go, personally go get these fucking papers? Why is Selena so attached to this woman? Right. They don't show us a lot of, like, why... The trust that Selena probably, you know, must have put in this woman. And... We do somewhat see that, like, she has a relationship with all of the people in her profession.

Like, a personal relationship with all of the people. They want to buy her a gift. They love her so much. Right. And so, like, there's a little bit there. But it's not, it's like, it comes down to one scene. Can we also talk about the pretty woman scene that happens in this movie? Oh.

Yes. Every movie needs a pretty woman scene. It's so, so good. I mean. That dress is $800. Yeah. Just take it out of the mannequin. It's, it's, I think there comes a time when every, um, non-white person has to deal with some sort of like situation like that where people perceive you to be, or not even inside of it, like, there are poor white people who I'm sure have gone through this.

Like, where people just like perceive you to be like, what are you doing here? You don't belong here. Yeah. And, and Selena was, is that, I don't know, she was living like a fucking ninja in Beverly Hills. because people, you don't fucking know that that's Selena, like. Right. And that, that scene is so good, played so perfectly the way that the, like, stock boy, like, drops his, like, oh, my God.

Salina, Salina. And then, like, Selina's here. Watching that, like, the word, like, I don't, I don't know. I wish I knew Los Angeles well enough to know what mall they were at. But watching the, like, word snake through all the little, like, stock rooms and people on their cigarette breaks and whatnot. And just, like. I thought of the game mall madness.

Did you guys ever... Were you the type of gay people that played Malmanus' children? I didn't play it, but I was aware. I was aware of it. I remember in Mo Manus, it would be like, there is a sale in the shoe store on the second floor. I thought of like, there is a Salina Quintanilla in the dress store on the third floor.

Yeah. And again, like, this was the era of, well, this would, by that point, it was soon after the era of mall pop stars, right? But it's like... Right, but also, like, this movie, or that scene is works on different levels because it's not only showing like you know it's not only the pretty woman thing like yeah she she does belong here but it also does a double duty of like showing these are all working class people these are all people who are working at the mall who are taking out the trash the garbage people the janitors who say fuck this our girl is here yeah like and and and and to be able like and so it does this double duty of like this is not just a salina thing this is like a society thing you know and and guess what poor people and Mexicans get to have their own pop stars and get to have their own dreams too. Yeah.

And it's just so fucking good as the like, um, launching point of the Grammy's scene where she wins the Grammy for, um, Best Dejano album. And, and that's, I mean, and that's it. That was the beginning. That was like, you know, she's going to cross over. She's going to do it. Everyone's like, what are we going to do with this woman who is so charmed everybody, not only her family, her fans, these two countries, but also fucking.

record executives who were like, this is going to be the next Gloria Siff on. It's fucking amazing. Yeah. Um, so Selena opens on, opens wide. Like, it's a wide release from New Line on March 21st, 1997. It's up against Liar Liar, which is the Jim Carries back to doing what you love movie after the cable guy. We talked a little bit. I can't remember in one of our hundred snubs, I think, episodes. I think it was the first or second maybe. Talking about how Jim Carrey had one of those very compacted careers where he breaks through so wildly in 1994 that by 1996, he was already like, well, this is the movie that's disappointed people, the cable guy. And then already by 1997, it's like he's back. He's back as the Jim Carrey you love.

Doing bits. Yeah. And so that's your number one movie of the weekend is Liar Liar, which opened on a good thousand more screens than Selina did anyway. but it does $31 million to Selena's $11 million on that opening weekend. Selina is number two, but only ends up with domestic box office of $35 million. Which for the late 90s, that's a good dollar amount. I mean, it's certainly not a bomb, but for like a non-bankable star, a biopic that a lot of people were like to soon about you know it's also you know people i will say like yeah what did it make like

buku bucks no but from where i'm from it was the social event oh sure yeah people were camping out this was star wars level like yeah lining up packing the theaters to you know see our girl like you know and and and and crying and fucking just cry yeah um and so you know i i do think Like, it's in, like, it wasn't a bomb. It didn't, like, fucking, you know, lose money, you know, but this is a movie that, like you said, had James, uh, or Edward James almost was probably, like, the most well-known person in this movie, right? 100%. Oscar nominee. But, uh, it's a story about, like, a Mexican family and, like, this pop star that people didn't really know.

Yeah. And so, like, it does respectable. Yeah. But for being so early in the year, like, it, it probably, it just didn't have the legs, you know? Well, and movies also have had different. lifespans at that point. Like, I first saw this movie on VHS, where it's like, all of my classmates were watching this movie on VHS. And I realized on this watch, I was like, oh, we loved this movie as children, and I'm not quite sure. And then you realize the first half hour of the movie is

all children, you know, children and their parents, you know. So it's like, oh, well, that makes a little bit worse sense. But I bring up the box office and the content. just of that by the time award season comes along, a movie like this probably needed to be more of a wide-ranging, broadly, commercially successful phenomenon to sort of get into the Oscar conversation more so than just the Jennifer Lopez gets a Golden Globe nomination conversation, even though I will say that's a good Golden Globes category that year that she's nominated in. It really is. Helen Hunt wins, eventually wins the Oscar. She's also nominated against who should have won Pam Greer, Joey Lauren Adams for Chasing Amy, and Julia Roberts

for my best friend's wedding. Honestly, iconic. It's a good category. I like every single performance in that category. I think they're all really good. It's also like a, this is the musical comedy. I don't know if Selena the movie is a musical or comedy. There's certainly a lot of music in it. I think it's one of those things where it's like, it's musical enough for us to put it in this category so that we can nominate it. Also, listen, the Bidi Bimba montage is a way better musical sequence than many musicals that would come after this movie. Yeah, and the costume changes. My goodness.

Incredible. It's just, it's amazing to do a Google image search on Selena, the Selena Kintanilla, the actual human real person, and see just how many. any costumes were from like just stuff that she actually sort of wore I'm telling you this movie should have been a costume design nominee yeah she she was

doing da rag like this she was just like dragging it up and that's why so many queens still do Selena when you first said that I'm like da rag like what is that is that like is that a what are you talking about it just like oh I get you I get you I get you I get you capital D derag

Yeah, but that's a very good lineup. I mean, that's wild, because that's just the musical comedy. Like, who? I have to believe that Jennifer Lopez was somewhere, like, somewhere seventh to ninth place. In the Oscar voting? The eventual Oscar lineup, yes. Yeah, probably. The film career was definitely sixth.

I think that's probably true. So for the Oscars, Helen Hunt wins again. Right. But I've never heard of this movie, The Wings of the Dove from Helena Bottom Carter. She gets nominated. She's good. I will say. It's a costume drama.

It's based on, is it Henry James? Sure. She's this, like, very manipulative person. She essentially just sort of like puppet masters this other woman's relationship with this guy she's into

and she's so, she's, like, wickedly nasty, but, like, really, really fantastic. One of my favorite Helen and Bonham Carter movies. I think, like, the thing is, like, so there's these two juggernauts. It's Helen Hunt and then fucking Kate Winslet, Titanic. It's like everyone knows those movies.

And then you have Judy Dench and Mrs. Brown, Julie Christine, Afterglow, and Hon. Bon Carter. And I'm like, I've never heard any of these fucking movies before. Like, what the fuck? I was like, where's Selena? Oh, truly. This was the big Judy Dench crossover in that, like,

this was the movie that sort of American critics. Judy Dench was actually probably second place over Kate Winflet. She wins the Golden Globe drama that year. Julie Christie and Afterglow is the one where it's like, it's such a small movie. people didn't really see it it was kind of surprising that it got this sort of groundswell from

critics at the end of this movie to get it or end of the year to get an Oscar nomination but like that's the one I think you can probably you know in a world where Pam Greer or Jennifer Lopez or Julia Roberts for my best friend's wedding you want to elevate any one of those

I would think like nobody really saw afterglow like at least with Mrs. And Julie Christie would have another comeback a decade later. Right. That's the thing. I just often think about like the best Oscars to me or the best Oscar nominations like meet the moment.

Yeah. Of like culture and like I, Pam Greer and Jennifer Lopez both like we're having moments. Totally. Like they, I mean, and like you said, even Julie Robb like those were all like momentous things. Like these are young, vibrant on the rise stars who gave like these gobsvacking performances in three wildly different movies. and yet we have like all these fucking costume shit. It's a very costume drama a year, I will say that, yes.

And Helen Hunt. And Helen Hunt, who, you know, is riding the James L. Brooks thing. The MTV Movie Awards that year nominated her for breakthrough performance, and this is a really interesting category. As 1990s MTV Movie Awards, I very much strayed from, once MTV Movie Awards became MTV Movie and TV Awards, I'm like, all right, I don't know. need to pay attention to you anymore. And it was probably long

before that. It was when, like, Twilight was winning Best Kiss for, like, seven years in a row, and it's like, all right. For a milk... No shade against the Twilight movies or whatever, but, like, you don't... Like, one movie does not need to dominate for that. We used to have Ryan Gosling and Rachel McAdams. We used to have

a culture, man. Yeah. Used to have Sharon Stone winning Best Desirable. We also used to have the best kiss, like, the homophobic nominees of the two men kissing, but it's supposed to be gross. Yeah, male, male comedy kiss. was a perennial Best Kiss nominee. But so Breakthrough Performance in, I imagine this would have been,

because MTV Movie Awards don't happen until, like, the middle of the year, right? But anyway, all of these nominees are from actual 1997. So it's- It would have been a year. It would have been a year since the movie came up. Yeah. Jennifer Lopez and Selena, Heather Graham wins for Boogie Nights, which is interesting because at the time, it did seem like,

oh, Heather Graham's going to be the next big thing. and that didn't pan out. Joey Lauren Adams, there she is again for chasing Amy, Rupert Everett for my best friend's wedding, Sarah Michelle Geller or Gullar, as I will always think of her on Howard Stern being like,

it's actually Gilar, and I just let everybody say Geller, and it's like, okay. You mean like how Susan Sarandon said, it's Sarandon, but I just went with it. When did she say that? I would love... She said that in an interview.

I got to find that, because I do find it... I tried to find it, I couldn't find it by me. We are mortal enemy as well. when it comes to the pronunciation of Susan Sarandon's name. But anyway, Sarah Michelle Geller for, I know what she did last summer, which by that point, she was already, had already broken through with Buffy. So, like, that's a little bit of a cheat nomination, but that's fine.

I agree. I think, like, at the time, though, the most MTV movie winnery of the bunch is Sarah Michelle Giller, right? She's, like, a hot, cool teen. But it's so funny to think of, like, if MTV knew that, like, within two years, Jennifer Lopez would be, like, at the top of TRL. with if you had my love, then they absolutely would have given this award

to Jennifer Lopez. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What did we think of? So, okay, I'm going to be radical. I'm going to practice radical honesty at this point. And I'm going to fully admit that when Jennifer Lopez comes out with if you had my love

in 1999, I was dubious. I remember thinking because like, nope, nope. I got that album for my birthday. Listen, I love that song. Then you win the day, Chris.

But what I'm saying is, she's Selena and then out of sight happens in 1998 and the critics go Gaga like the critics are all in on Jennifer Lopez and then the movie line interview happens and they are all out on Jennifer Lopez but by so she's but even still though like her her movie career was flourishing by that point and to me at least at the time I remember thinking why make this pivot when, in my opinion, at that point, I was like, you don't have to to get to you know, I don't know. I was very dubious.

It felt like she was stepping down from her movie ascendance. Yes. And like, I think a lot of people had that kind of skepticism, but now it feels like I don't, I mean, like I like her as a musical artist and

yeah, oh yeah. I don't know I maybe I was just young enough at that time that I did not share that skepticism even if like I know I had classmates who had that skepticism but yes if you have my love is also a banger

no it is a banger and the thing is though like I don't think I even thought about Jennifer Lopez after the movie came out I was not like at the time I was a fucking teenager I wasn't like watching out of sight and wondering where fucking Jennifer Lopez what her career was like Listen, I was in college and I was a very mature person, so I loved that.

But so, like, to think about, like, you know, when, if you had my love came out, I was like, oh, my God, work. Like, she's actually, like, doing that. And then, and so, like, you know, and again, when you think about Jennifer Poll was now, it's like, oh, yeah, she's like the rom-com queen. Right. You know, she has banger after banger after banger. But, I mean, for real all shade, all tea, like, she did not sing if you had my love. Like, that is Ashanti on the track, man. This is a conversation

A lot of people But, but she But I love Jennifer Lopez I do not care that She is perceived by some to be Whatever I watched her documentary So many times

It's such a good documentary It's such a good documentary Cride and cried And she And that's a thing like All the dubiousness Like I get it Because who the fuck

She was a star in Hollywood like But the thing is like She is such a fucking star That's the thing. It's not like she's not a singer. She's not an actress. She's a star.

Like that is the profession that Jennifer Lopez exists in. And everything sort of emanates from that, whether it's hustlers, whether it's, I mean, talk about you watch that documentary, but like even before that, that Super Bowl halftime show performance. And I am generally, I'm less impressed by Super Bowl halftime performances as a rule. Like, I genuinely feel like they're usually a little loosey-goosey and a little messy, and I more than often am actually watching the Super Bowl. So by the time, half-time comes along, half the time, I'm, like, sort of out of the room. Don't ask me about Rihanna this year because you don't want to hear my answer.

But Jennifer Lopez and Shakira, of course you did. Of course you did. She just park and barked it. She had a good time. She was on her little platforms going up and down. Go girl, give us nothing. That's fine. Honestly, good for her.

Got her money. Jennifer Lopez and Shakira is the best Super Bowl I'll respect to Beyonce all respect to Madonna, whatever Jennifer Lopez and Shakira is my favorite halftime performance of all time It's so fucking good

Put those kids in those cages Okay Same same same like this There is it's that Super Bowl happened And then the pandemic happened Truly That was like Parasite wins

Parasite wins best picture Jennifer Lopez performs at halftime And nothing good happened after that It's true That, yeah, I watch that, um, half-time show, I don't know, like monthly, weekly. So it's a pick-me-up. It's a genuine pick-me-up in my day when I watch it, yeah. The thing is, what I find weird about her music career versus her film career is,

correct me if I'm wrong, but between Selena and marry me, there's not really an overlap. And it feels like there would be. She was trying to do the live bye-bye Birdie for a while. And that just, like, kept getting pushed back and never happened and it'll never happen at this point. Yeah. I'm trying to think, like, what was her first, was Made in Manhattan her first, like, rom-commy thing? Or was it, um, the wedding planner? One of those happening.

I think it was made in Manhattan. I think that was the earliest one. And she might have, like, had a song in those movies, but it's not like she's doing movies. She's not taking these roles that really blend both sides of her celebrity. But ask her to be a dancer, ask her to be, you know, yeah. Shelby Dance has her dancing. at least. Yes, shall we dance.

As says hustlers. Well, yes, hustlers. But, like, by the time hustlers comes along, you know, she's had a whole, you know, a whole career. She's lived. She's lived, honey. No, actually, you're totally right. I was wrong.

Made in Manhattan is 2002. The wedding planner is 2001. So props to you. Yeah. And so it seems like, you know, that happens and, like, there's a template. Like, all of a sudden, it's like, oh, she's actually very just, like, charming and very, like, she can do the bits and the pratfalls and, like, kind of silly setups and, and, like, these ridiculous, you know, love stories, and people love it, you know. And so for a while,

she's driving in that lane and she's not doing the prestige, like, out of sight type stuff at all, you know, like, and she's kind of marry me is in that lane, you know, and I think she's kind of gotten a little bit stuck since then, you know, like, I think, um, shotgun wedding is in that lane. And I think, I think shotgun wedding is really good and silly. I'm sort of trepidious to watch it. Um, it's silly billy, you know, but I think it's really fun um pirates the my my preferred uh sort of uh jennifer lopez unserious romantic comedy is always going to be monster in law i love her and jane fonda in that movie oh my god that movie second act baby second act is great it's so fun so here's the thing the genius casting of Vanessa hudgeon

yes that is perfect can we talk about the era that nobody ever really talks about which is uh the era before Selena, when she's actually really good in Jack. No, I've never seen Jack, though. I've never seen... What is her role in Jack? She's good in Jack. I mean, Jack is stupid, but she's good in it. Oh, she's a teacher. She's a teacher. Okay. Yep. She's a teacher that he falls, that he, like, falls in love with and has a crush, but, like, first of all, it's a little bit like, Robin Williams.

I love Robin Williams. Robin Williams hitting on Jennifer Lopez, kind of ick, but then, you know, it's a child. He's a child. You know, 10-year-old boy flirting with Jennifer Lopez on. And she's just like, she's really good in the scene where she has to put them off gently. So, no, but I'm talking, so I want to talk about the mid-aughts, because we did an episode ages and ages ago on an unfinished life, which she does with Robert Redford. Yes. But then she follows that up with Al Cantante, which is the movie that she and her husband at the time Mark Anthony starred in together. Okay, so yes, that is the example of the movie that I knew there was one. And then back with Gregory Nava for Bordertown.

which is a absolutely does not exist movie. Right. These are all fake movies. It's funny. And again, like, to my Oscar history, I remember reading like a Vanity Fair one year and it was like early Oscar, whatever. And it was like El Cantante.

Wow. Like biopic. Like she's going to get her Oscar nomination girlies. Like her and real life husband, Mark Anthony. Sweet you know. Talk about it. This had Oscar. Those were the movies she made.

Like she makes monster. her in law in 2005, she makes the backup plan in 2010, and in the middle, it's just those kind of movies. And it's like, and it felt like at the time, Jennifer Lopez wants to make her serious movie. She wants to make, you know, the movie that's going to give Mark Anthony his crossover, sort of like big major role. And it just doesn't, nothing clicks. It doesn't happen. And I think by that time, though, people are just like conditioned to like, want to laugh and have a good time with her. She's, yeah. And I think she was like, no, I'm actually a serious actress.

And I think she is, but I just don't think people want to hear it. It genuinely took, honestly, I think the boy next door to, like, to shake us all out of the doldrums of this, like, career dip that she kind of had. Fun movie. Yes. So stupid. I can't believe I've forgotten, like, I am a sucker for, do you guys remember the movie, Angel Eyes? Oh, sure. Yes.

I've seen Angel Eyes. Unfortunately, I was obsessed with that movie in high school. Jim Caviziel is a crazy person now. That is unfortunate. But that, like, that era of Angel Eyes. Enough. Oh, I love Enough so much. Good movie.

She was, like, being a little weirdo for a little while, you know? So her film career is a lot more varied and interesting than just, you know. People, I think, just think about, like, the Made of Manhattan, the Wedding Planner. Right. And Selena. but she's taking some swings and good for her. Totally.

What does she have coming out? Well, she's in, she's on Netflix now with the mother, a movie that I could not believe was released a couple weeks ago because. And pulled better numbers than, according to Netflix,

we all know they love to say string words together about what their viewership is, but apparently did better than like Glass-on-Yin and Red Notice. Yeah, Red Notice is not a movie. Which I don't believe a single fucking person watch Red Notice.

No. no no they're like everyone's seen it so you guys but everything that netflix says always sounds vaguely bullshity and whatever but like i i was i knew this movie was coming down the pike or whatever and then all of a sudden it's like well it's been up for you know a week or two and it's like okay um haven't watched it yet no haven't watched it yet what i she's listen she's making movies now like she's not going to fucking do something unless she wants to right um she is like if she wants to get something done she's gonna make it happen and if it has to fucking, like, marry me was basically

a music video sponsored by NBC. Totally, yep. Like, and honey, get those fucking checks. I don't give a fuck how her movies get made. I don't care. Like, uh, she's producing and starring in a sci-fi movie coming up called Atlas, apparently. That's another

Netflix movie that's going to be her and Simuloo and Sterling K. Brown. So. Yeah, but it's another net. Well, that's the thing. It's like, I don't know. I don't know. I wish I liked Simuloo better. He's, he gives me weird vibes. He does kind of give you weird vibes, doesn't he? Well, it's because he's

terminally online. That's the thing. Log off. That's the thing because I thought he was so charming and good in Shang Chi. And I'm looking forward to seeing him in Barbie, you know what I mean? But it's like, yes, just be hot and famous. Just be hot and famous. Don't talk, like, don't, don't tweet. Don't tweet. Right. And that's why I like

Jennifer Lopez. She's like, listen, I am selling my new line of Italian spritses. I'm also selling my new line of like lingerie she does not give a fuck like yeah you're famous you don't have to tweet anymore unless you're selling something yeah and that's jennifer lopez and i love yes all right um anything else we want to say do we uh have anything else we want to say about the motion picture of selina or jennifer lopez or anything in general before we move on to the i mdb game i would just i want to um make sure before we like move off of it that there are moments in the movie where like the graphics it's like the sky and like flowers blooming and like all this kind of like cheese like embrace the cheese

embrace the cheese you know that is the vibe that is a part of that visual language of like you know uh the taano music videos and like if you just let that go and it's like it's beautiful she's beautiful she sounds great oh we didn't mention she is lip syncing for her life the entire oh yes that was one thing about like when she started her music career it was like yes you loved me in that movie but I also can sing, too. Yeah. Yeah, I believe like... Which is a good...

But we still love you. Again, not a singer, a star. She's a star. Yes. Yes, not a singer star. But yeah, I think for... You were talking about access... Access, accessibility earlier, Joe.

Like, I think there are, like, some people think, like, oh, maybe it's a little at arm's length. But, like, if you just literally let it go, like, it is a wonderful, tragic American tale about a pop star who, like, was taken too soon. Yeah. And it is so... So, it's so easy to fall in love with her story and like this artist. And if it's, I mean, it's not like the music, it's the costumes, it's not the costumes, it's the dancing.

There's so much to love in the movie. Yeah. Agreed. I mean, I think that a lot of that that you're talking about is kind of what, you know, makes this movie as good as it is and why it's partly stuck around because, like, it is like, it is like adjacent to a lot of these type of biopics that we don't like that are boring. and it's because it's well made in that way. It's also shot by Ed Lockman, which I didn't know until I looked this up. And I was like, oh, so that's part of the reason why it looks fucking incredible.

Yeah, exactly. You know, there's, while, you know, everything has to be withering or, like, so self-serious now. Like, there is an earnestness about this movie that I do think actually makes the movie better. Yeah. Yeah. yeah good movie thank you louie for uh for for bringing it to us you're welcome thank you for having all right well you're not done yet by the way we we've got an i amdb game no i think we're over guys bye

guests are always so nervous about the i'mtb game no it's because you guys just have like fucking movie galaxy brain that like normals do not have like i think it's like so funny how you guys are like oh the year 96 yeah of course I'm like, what the fuck? I don't know. I shook me out. What the fuck? Joe, since it's been a...

It's been the other thing, Louie. We haven't done the IMDV game in a long time at this point. Like two months, month and a half or something. So, listen, you're getting us at a very... Vulnerable. Unpracticed moment. Okay, okay. Joe, tell the listeners what the IMDB game is.

In case they forgot. In case you forgot, it's been a minute. Every week we end our episode. So it's with the IMDB game, where we challenge each other with an actor or actress and try and guess the top four titles that IMDB says they are most known for. If any of those titles are television, voice-only performances, or non-acting credits, we mentioned that up front. After two wrong guesses, we get the remaining titles release here's as a clue. And if that's not enough, it just becomes a free-for-all of hints. We love.

We love a free-for-hands. We do. Yes. Maybe my favorite part. All right, Louie, as our guests, you get to choose not only if you want to give or guess first, but who you want to. to give or guess to slash from oh my god i didn't even consider uh do i want to get no i know i'm going to give first okay let's feel like let's get the wheels grease before my torture um who are you giving to i think i'm going to give to joe okay um and i had uh some options

um at first i um really wanted to um do a mini driver um she got a best supporting actor nomination at the Academy Awards of the same year but her what she's known for is kind of like Bummerville like there's two TV things and I was like no we're not doing that so instead we are going to another best supporting actress that year

in Miss Joan Cusack Love! We've done an episode about her on the mixed reviews we live laugh love Joan Cusack she is so fucking good and I think she has a really interesting career and yeah So, yeah, Joan Kusack for Joe.

Is it all movies or is any of it television? It is all movies. No shameless here. Okay, no shameless, I was going to say. All right. The thing that's challenging about Joan Kusk in the IMTB game is so many of the things she's most loved for are stuff where she's like fifth or sixth build. Right.

She's a little bit of a bit queen, but. But like, that's why I love her. All right. That's why we love her. I'm going to guess Adam's family values. No. In a very shocking twist. No out of time values. She's so good in that movie. I know. Malibu Barbee. Um, in and out. So many gays just jumped off a cliff, though. That's not on her. I know. But in and out, yes. That is the number one. I'm going to also guess Working Girl. Correct. Okay. Her two Oscar nominations. These next two, admittedly, are a little bit like, off-to-beat path. See, well then the next one I was going to guess Well, maybe not

I don't fucking know I don't know what the fucking beaten path is for John Cusack I will say I was very surprised by one of these And I forgot she was in this movie Okay I feel like it's one of the ones She's in with her brother And I'm going to guess

It's gross point blank Very good All right, okay Very good Isn't she like taking conference calls With a gun in her hand Yeah I haven't seen that movie in at least a decade.

All right. I'm going to, this is less off the beaten path, but I'm just going to guess it. Is it School of Rock? Incorrect. But that's a good, um, uh, guess. She's good in that. She's so funny in that. Is it time to I give, do I give, yes, give me the year of the, um, the year is 2012.

2012. So it's not broadcast news either, which I know. Right. She's not in that movie that much, but she's, but she's, so memorable leave such a mark all right 2012 what's she doing oh what i don't think that's the year of friends with money but i'm going to guess friends with money no no friends with money is what oh six no earlier than that wow yeah it might be oh six okay it's oh six yep 2012 it's uh not a comedic role no And again, like, not in it a lot.

And I mean, I'm surprised that this is on here. Oh, is it perks of being a wallflower? It is perks being a wallflower. That's a weird one to have on her. She's like the psychiatrist or the doctor or something like that, right? Like, yeah. In the final reel of the movie. It's wild because, like, that she's not on here for Adam's family values is fucking nuts.

Like, she's in that movie a lot and people love that movie. Yes. I don't know that perks of being a wallflower has to be. Again, it's the unknowable algorithm. She could feasibly be highly built in that movie or got an and credit or something. She might get an and in that. But again, who knows? Is that how this does?

We don't know. We don't know. It's all assumptions. Every once in a while, we'll try and be like, we think this is what they do, but then, like, we end up being proved wrong. Yeah. All right. Good choice, Louis. Thank you.

All right. Chris, for you, I traveled down the Jennifer Lopez route. for one of her 2023 movies, which is Shotgun Wedding, which she co-stars with one Jennifer Coolidge, who we never... Oh, I thought you were about to give me Josh Duhamel, and I was going to kill you. I bet you Josh Dumel is like three Transformers movies and something else, like, and win a date with Ted Hamilton or something like that.

But no. Jennifer Coolidge, no television. Okay. It's probably too soon for White Lotus to show up on there. Maybe. The question is which Christopher guests are on there. I'm going to say legally blonde. No.

Not legal blonde. I know. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. Gays are yelling, yelling. Is American Pie on there? Yes, it is. This is an indicator of how this is going to go. Straits run this.

I know. I'm going to say a mighty wind. Correct, a mighty man. Thank God for model train. Yeah. Thank God for model trains. Oh, absolutely. If they didn't have the model train,

they wouldn't have gotten the idea for the big trains. Again, I've mentioned this on, it's the loudest and longest I've ever laughed in a movie theater ever, was that joke in a mighty way. That, yeah, yeah, yeah. The best joke in any Christopher guest movie. Best in show. Nope, not best in show.

Strike two. Okay. So your missing years are 2004, and it says here 2022, but I'm going to tell you it's 2023. Okay. 2004 is the Cinderella story? A Cinderella story, but yes, correct. That's what I said.

You said the Cinderella story. No, I said a Cinderella story. Okay. I'm going to listen back to this. The girls are fighting. The girls are fighting. Okay, so something that was 2022, but came out in 2023. Yeah, I think it says 2022, because it opened in, like, England or Canada at the end of 2022.

Oh, God, what movie did she do recently that did that? It doesn't seem like the kind of movie that would do that. It's not a festival. It's, I will say that, it's not a festival movie. Is it like a Netflix movie? Not Netflix. Amazon. Shotgun wedding.

It's shotgun wedding, yes. I was like, yeah. It's, it's. Wow. Right. How is shotgun? wedding there. I don't know. And White Lotus isn't? White Lotus isn't. It's weird. Yep. Or legally blonde. Or Legally blonde. Yep. Or Best in Show. It's like, that's the other thing is she's a much bigger part in Best and Show than she is in a Mighty Wind and yet. She's probably like third build in Shotgun Wedding. Yes. Probably. Yes. And there's like a lot of photos tagged to her.

Yes. And she's playing Josh Dremel's mother. Is that movie? It is psychotic. That's all. All right. okay okay so louis for you uh i went gentle uh talking about not only oscar winner but beat jennifer lopez to the golden globe none other than helen hunt miss hallina hunting one television okay okay yes um certainly mad about you is mad about you correct yes uh her oscar is uh we talked about it uh as good as it gets correct uh oh twitter Twister, hello. Twister. Twister.

Three for three. How shitty would it be if Twister was not on Helen Hunt's known for? Okay, I've been doing so well, but I have no fucking clue what this fourth movie could be. What the fuck? I feel like she's made a stupid, like, um, Woody. Is this name Woody? I don't fucking know anymore. My brain is now much.

Woody Allen? Yes. Yeah, she's made a dumb Woody Allen movie, right? Like something about poison and the gems or something. Curse at the Jade Scorpe. it's Scorpion. Poison and the Gems would be a better title. That's what I said. Is that your guess? Sure. It's incorrect. Okay. I was like Woody Allen. This is a much bigger movie than that shitty Woody Allen movie.

Okay, a much bigger movie. Um, Helen Hunt. She is definitely second build in it. I was going to say exactly that. She's probably second build. Yeah. I'd be surprised if you haven't seen this. Okay. Okay, that's good to know. Helodont is this not on like my radar as an actress I guess I'm trying to Not really on the radar of this movie either I'm trying to even think like of anything else that she's been in that I know of like off top of my head

Matt about you the movie Listen don't put it past them Didn't they try and they revived it as a series in 2019 Yeah Unlike that's one of those I can't remember who but somebody who I follow on Instagram every once in a while we'll put up this photo of this one subway station

that still had a mad about you poster from 2019 that like stayed up like throughout the pandemic and just never got papered over. Yeah, I remember that subway stop well. Okay, yeah, I have no idea.

So I think it's hint to time because I have no fucking... We'll say that you guessed mad about you the reboot and that it was wrong. This movie is from the year 2000. It had an acting Oscar nominee that was probably very close to winning. It's basically like this one actor is pretty much the whole movie, but she's like the most... Oh, oh, oh, it's castaway. It's castaway. There you go. Yes.

You don't think about her in this movie. Yeah, that makes sense. If they could have credited a volleyball, that would have been second build and Helen would have been third build. But yes, in terms of humans, she is second. She used a second villa. Yeah. A movie I have seen. I, yes. Okay, good.

Okay, I did okay, right? You did very good. You did a great job. I also had to do this because even though the episode is technically ending, we do have to talk about. I need to get your opinions, Louie, on Hot Twisters, the sequel, that, like, why are we doing a sequel to Twister? It's because it's third. But the cast is so hot. But it's a prequel.

Is that right? I believe it's a prequel. What? I think I did hear that. I think I read that it is a prequel, which makes no fucking sense. Twister is a perfect movie. It's the origin story of the tornado that killed Hellman's parents that she has vowed vengeance against. It's actually about Dorothy so that they did the Dorothy 1-5.

I only know the hot guy from Nope is in it. Are there other hots in it? Oh, Joe. Let's pull this up. Hot Guy from Knope, Brandon Perea, got cast recently. But it's also Glenn Powell and Anthony Ramos and Daisy Edgar Jones and Sasha Lane and Daryl McCormick, just the hottest of hotties. And also Morit Tierney, who's also a certified hottie.

Yeah, there's a lot of hots in that. I feel like they said the cast of Top Gun Maverick, round him up. Let's go. Exactly, exactly. Louis, have you seen good luck to you, Leo Grand? Yes. Derr McCormick. That hot is that hot.

Yeah, he's so hot. He's very good in the Apple plus whatever show where all the girlies are killed that one asshole boyfriend. Do you guys not watch that? Oh, yes. With Sharon Horgan. Yes. Bad sisters.

Oh, right. I watched the first episode of that, but I haven't. Yeah. Back around. Let me tell you, that man is going to crack someone's hip. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Emma Thompson.

Very, very hot cast. And I hope they get a little Helen in there. She needs, you know. Absolutely. I mean. what does she does feel like the kind of movie that's going to have like a cameo and like she's kind of the only one I mean I guess Jamie Gertz could show up too I suppose at any point but maybe they'll do the top gun of it all where they show a picture of her like if Lois Smith is not in this movie what are we doing here well honestly speaking of regulation hotties cast Lois Smith and Twisters in all things um all right I think that is our episode this is so fun this was amazing Thank you guys. I had a blast. My nerves are settling after the R&D game. And yeah, I'm just like so happy to talk about this movie that I love and Jennifer Lopez and her like crazy, cookie celebrity career.

I don't care if you think she's a bitch. She is my bitch. She is a Jets fan, which was made canonically clear in her documentary, but I forgive her. So that's right. All righty. If you want more, this had Oscar Buzz. You can check out the Tumblr at thisheadoscarbuzz.com. You can also follow us on Twitter at Had underscore Oscar Buzz and on Instagram at This Had Oscar Buzz. Louis, tell our listeners where they can find more of you. You can find me on Twitter at at Luigi Rendon.

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