This Had Oscar Buzz - 254 – The Killing of a Sacred Deer

Episode Date: September 4, 2023

Some might call Yorgos Lanthimos’ Oscar ascent an unlikely one, given the oddness at the core of his films. But with the Foreign Language Feature nomination for the explicit Dogtooth and the Original Screenplay for The Lobster, the Greek auteur cemented his status in the Oscar club. A victory lap of sorts came with The … Continue reading "254 – The Killing of a Sacred Deer"

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Hello and welcome to the This Had Oscar Buzz podcast, the only podcast that should have been played by John Houston's dad. Every week on This Had Oscar Buzz we'll be talking about a different movie that once upon a time had Lofty Academy Award aspirations, but for some reason or another, it all went wrong. The Oscar hopes died, and we're here to perform the autopsy. I am your host, Chris Fyle, and I'm here, as always, with my, dad, who has three times as much hair

on his chest, Joe Reed. May I put my shirt back on? Please. I do think that the pit obsessive community really gravitate towards this movie. They're sleeping on this one, for sure. Yeah, yeah.

You know, the listeners, I know that there's always a portion of our audience that's like, now really, you guys, trust and believe as soon this is just one of those movies that we're talking about that like the expectations were there before people saw the movie oh yeah oh yeah and like you know there's just some movies where it's just like we're like yeah that definitely seems like a thing that's you know in the ether going to happen and then people see it and they're like well that's not no the academy establishment is not going to go for a movie where, you know... It's a one where the buzz was on paper,

and then people saw the movie, and they were like, even this is at Cannes, right? Yes, this is a can. And it's somewhat of a victory lap for Lantamos, too. I mean, victory lap after victory lap, kind of, because, you know, Dogtooth gets the surprise nomination. We'll get into it.

And then it's followed up with the lobster, which, you know, kind of runs a gauntlet and then still gets an Oscar nomination. Yes. And we'll talk about that. And then you get to killing of a sacred deer, which feels like such a leveling up. It's a reuniting of Colin Farrell and Lantamos, and you have Nicole Kidman. In her second Colin Farrell movie of the year.

This is like, when Big Little Lies was kind of a victory lap from this year, right? Because Big Little Lies is after this. Yes. And in 2017, she has a huge year, a huge year it can. So it's like, it feels like a moment, right? And, like, Nicole Kidman is such a director-driven performer that it's just like, well, of course she's in a Yorgos-Lanthamos movie. And it's probably going to be. It would feel weird if she wasn't going to be in a Lantamos movie.

Yeah, yeah. The other thing I thought when I was watching this movie is, and it was this movie like the first note that I wrote down, is how many times has Nicole Kidman played an Anna in a movie? and it's really only birth, but, like, doesn't it feel spiritually? Like, she's just played, like, Anna after Anna, after Anna. Like, she looks more like an Anna than she looks like a Nicole. You know what I mean? In terms of just, like, you know, people who, like, look like names. I don't know.

I feel like I can't wrap my brain around that because even though she's Nicole Kidman and, like, no one has the name Kidman, so it's like, that's a singularity. But, like, I do think that in her legend status, she has achieved, like, single name status. of Nicole that it's like she is known as Nicole a very average mostly white lady name yeah but like when I just say to you Nicole you know who I'm talking about right it's like Madonna but for like Stacy yeah for the record there was a uh pro wrestler in the late 90s early 2000s named billy kidman who was this like twinkie high flyer who wore jean shorts and I do want to throw something on his name

because he's the only other kidman I've ever encountered in pop culture. He's very cute. Anyway, I'm excited to talk about this movie. This movie, I mean, like, it felt like, you know, maybe when it was, you know,

playing in the fall of like A-24 also doing their victory lap because this is the year after Moonlight. And it's like, I don't know. but if anybody can do it it's them and it's just like I think by the time this movie hit like its platform release

and was in more theaters and basically died it was like well no it's the most it's the Yorgos Lanthamos movie that feels the most like his Greek movies for one thing sure you know what I mean it feels more like dog tooth and Alps

like the lobster did and afterwards like the favorite did. You know what I mean? And Lord knows what poor things is going to be. But poor things looks like a combination of his Greek stuff, his American, whatever, his more Western stuff, and something new. It looks like, you know, the movie that the favorite makes something like a hundred million dollars worldwide. And it's the movie that he gets this very large budget and he's making a two and a half hour weird sex, movie

Frankenstein. Terry Gilliam looking kind of thing. Feminism thing. Yeah.

By the way, we're also doing this episode the week that Poor Things was originally supposed to come out. And when we're

talking scheduling, we're like, do we want to move the episode? And we're so tired because we've been doing so much and we're just like,

no. No. We don't have the energy to figure out something else. And also, poor things is in Venice, everyone.

So we're talking about it still. I'm so excited for that movie. and it doesn't, I don't know when I'm going to be able to see it, because I currently don't know if I'm going to be able to make New York Film Festival happen at all. I don't care. And even if I can make it happen, I don't know what, like, New York Film Festival lasts for weeks.

And I'm going to, if I go, I'm going to probably try and pick, like, three days to be there. And if it's not there those three days, then I'm not seeing it until December. Sure. I mean, I understand all of that. and I understand the eagerness to see things and to cover things as much as you can. I'm taking this year to just be for it to just be more for me

and for me to like have a better head on my shoulders because I will say last year I did not do a good job of getting out of the house and like most of the stuff that was in theaters I was lucky enough to get to see at TIF so it's like well I may not be covering it so but like Tiff isn't really offering us that option.

this year. No. Like, Tiff is being, is a, is, this is a, this is going to be a weird Tiff. I will say that, not to get to. I will say, what I am really nervous for, because there's so much there that's like a lot of on paper potential and, you know, open for like sales, like a lot of these movies. I was going to say a lot of unsold stuff, a lot of, so much, so many world premieres and like,

there's a lot of world premieres that it's like, out of nowhere, it could be a thing. And maybe it could be a thing the way that cake was a thing where it's like, well, this is going to have a media cycle, even though the movie is terrible. There could be like a Still Alice there somewhere. So I think of, when I think of sales at Toronto, I do think of Still Alice, but I also think of that movie, was it called Kodachrome? That was a Netflix movie. That went to Tiff already attached to Netflix. No, it sold at Tiff. remember, because I remember emailing my editor and being like, this just got sold to Netflix,

should I try and find a way to see it? And I ultimately couldn't. But that ultimately... No one watched it when it was on Netflix and had a different title. It came to nothing. So, like, I'm unsure about this batch of unsold movies coming to TIF because of the strikes and because of my unproven and yet I still think it's probably true notion. that a lot of movies bailed on Toronto at the last minute that a lot of these unsold movies just sort of got bumped up to gala status because there was a lot of movies that vacated those spots.

And so the Tony Goldwyn movie and the Ethan Hawk movie and the Anna Kendrick movie, these are all actor-direct movies. All these movies that I have to see because I am covering them and I, like, great. All of these movies where actors are directing, and a lot of them are directing for the first time, I feel like, and a lot of those are the unsold movies, I think a lot of those are just like, we probably won't see, hear much of them until 2024. Oh, I definitely think that that's the more realistic scenario that, like, these are movies that are getting sold for distribution for next year. But, I mean, I don't know. I have some skepticism.

Like, I'm not a festival programmer, certainly not one at the level of, like, TIF, but, like, I just don't know if these, like, agreements and, like, contracts get signed that quickly, that, you know, that it would have happened to be. I would imagine that there are escape clauses up until the moment that things are announced, is my guess.

But I don't know either. I don't know anything either. But then where do you find all of these movies to fill their spot, like, overnight? I just don't know. Well, I think they were probably things that were going to be special presentations that got bumped up to gals. And then, like, there's a ladder and, like, things just get sort of, like, moved up the ladder. I don't know. I don't know.

Again, I could be talking completely out of my ass. At this moment that listeners are hearing us talk about this, we will be at TIF. So. Almost. Yeah. No, we'll be there. Well, no, wait. Yes.

We're preparing to go to TIF. So, uh, whenever you listen to it this week. Yes. Follow us along. I'm not someone who loves doing immediate reactions on Twitter, but you can see my logs on Letterbox. Also, if you're there, listeners, feel free to say hi. That's true.

Chris loves it when people say hi. No, I mean, last year I got to meet some listeners. They were all lovely people. Oh, no, no, no. I'm not being sarcastic. You genuinely love it when people say hi. You are a much more personable person than I am. This is a lie.

I am so much more stranger danger than you are. in certain context, yes. I'm not an unfriendly person. I'm not an unfriendly person. I'm just a, I don't know. You are much more laser focused on getting to your destination of like, blah, blah, that is one billion percent true. I will see people who are like, oh, I saw you. You are less aware of your surroundings than I am. One billion percent true. I am, I have a destination to get to and I am getting there. Yeah. In the event of calamity, Chris is going to get you to the exit.

Joe is not. Yeah. Chris is already going to know. Chris is going to know when the last fairy is leaving for the night. Yeah. And we'll get you there quickly if somebody tells me where to get there. But, like, I won't be the one who, like, knows my surroundings while I'm sitting around there. Because, like, I am tunnel vision.

You are absolutely correct. Right, right, right. And I'm usually so anxious that, like, I know. everything happening in my immediate bubble. Okay, so poor things. I'm going to be honest, probably my most anticipated movie at the year. Yeah, it's up there for me.

It's definitely up there for me. Now the Challenger's has moved to 2024, it's probably moves up a slot. You really want to watch those tennis boys fuck. I mean, if you don't, that's on you, my friend. That's a you problem. That's a you problem, not a, not a me problem. Yeah.

And to bring it back, not elegantly, to Killing of a Sacred Deer, this was my first Tiff, and probably the movie I was most excited to see at that festival. I had not yet acclimated to what it is like to be at a festival. Now I'm like, I know how to, you know, whatever it is that marathon runners have, that they know how to measure out their energy for their whole entire run or race wherever. I'm there. But, like, I saw this movie basically willing myself to stay awake, not because of the movie, but because I was so run down on, like, day two. So my recollection of that TIF was you were at, were you at the Thursday morning call me by your name with me? Or was, or were you not at that one? No.

And I didn't see this with you. No. But we saw, so I saw the early morning call me by your name. with Katie and with a bunch of other people. Then you and I saw Happy End, the Michael Hanukkah movie. Amazing movie. And then I went right to killing

of a sacred deer, which was, that was my third and final movie of that day. So you must have seen it then later in the week. Yeah, I saw it at whatever the TIF premiere would have been with Nicole, Yorgos, and Colin Beryl in attendance. Yeah.

And, like, the Raffy Cassidy and Sodi Soljic, there, and I was like, maybe these children shouldn't be watching this movie. And like, as the movie begins, which listeners, if you haven't watched this movie,

it opens on extreme close-up open-heart surgery. And it's not even, it is open heart surgery, but it's mostly just an open chest cavity with a beating heart that is...

And it's real because they filmed a real surgery. Which is, first of all, fucked and horrifying. Second of all, when I texted you last night, this fucking movie, that's what was going on when that happened. Because, first of all, I think you're under the mistaken impression that I don't like this movie. I really like this movie. But it also stresses me the fuck out. And that especially, I do not need to be looking at, because it's not just that it's an open chest cavity beating heart. you don't know how chaotic and fast a heartbeat is until you've seen it open and right in front of your face.

And zooming out in slow motion from above, as if from like an unfeeling god. It looks like an alien creature. It looks like something is writhing around in your chest. And it's beating rhythmically. But even as it's beating rhythmically, it doesn't seem like there's an or. to it. It seems like chaos and disorder as this like mussely

gross looking... It's like muscle, but also like those flailing arm... But it's a lot. People... It's like a living gross creature. So listeners, the craziness of a beating heart

fully like stopped our internet connection. So that sound you heard of, I don't know, Taylor Dane, tell it to my heart. Was us stitching our audio together? Anyway, it's an insane opening shot. And when I'm in the, like, TIF crowd for this audience, A, I'm in, like, a semi-day state because I'm so physically tired at this point

that I'm just like, oh, shit, this is great. So, and, like, the disquiet that went through the audience and stayed through the whole movie. And then throughout the movie, I felt like I was half awake, but the only person laughing in whatever beautiful theater it was in. At what parts? I mean, there are many parts that I would laugh at, too, but like, I'm kind of done to know. What, not parts of this movie, can you kind of?

Well, it's, it's not a wall-to-wall laugh riot. I'll say that. I mean, this, I do think that this, this movie constantly is like, oh, do you think this is funny? let's see if we can keep you laughing. I do think this is maybe the bleakest comedy I've seen in recent years in terms of like, it does kind of invite you to laugh at gross things,

really dark, violent things sometimes, but I do also think it's it's just like the level of human, like the scene where I love the way that the brother and sister are like competing, with each other, especially more and more as the story goes on. The scene where the kid, the little kid, Bob. The MP3 player scene.

Oh, that's so funny, too. Can I please have your MP3 player after you die? No, the scene that I'm talking about is when Bob on his little like army crawl into the kitchen being like, I'll take out the garbage, dad. Do you want me to go water the plants, dad, like anything you ask. It's very funny. Well, and when he's, you know, crying blood and Colin Farrell is, like, wiping his eyes away. And at this point, both children are fully trying to convince their parents to kill the other one.

Yeah. And he's like, Dad, who's your best friend? Yeah. Who's your best friend? And he's, like, trying to get him to say, you're my best friend, son. It's very funny. It is funny. It's so dark.

It's, like, it's bad and wrong, but it's very Yorgos-Lantamos in that way. People, people, like, people categorize this movie as a horror movie. It is. It is. I think it's a comedy. It can be both. It can be a dark comedy. It's, there's, this is a horror movie.

It is. It's a comedy. Maybe this is where we decide that we are very different people. I don't know. You, I was dubious when you kept being like, maybe I just like, maybe I just like difficult protagonists more than you. all year through our previous episodes. But maybe you are built a little different.

And you're just like, Chris, maybe you're fucked. Maybe you are just built a little different. Like I said, there's, there's, there's, there's a lot of dark comedy in this movie. But like, this is a horror movie about a weirdly omniscient teen who can like, I don't know. Okay. I wanted to get into this later because this feels more like a sum up. It's more like a sum up thought. Actually, before we get too far into this,

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turbulent brilliance and we'll see you there yeah for now we will see you in the city of Cincinnati see you in hellish the hellish depths the hellish midwest this movie this movie one of the reasons i love it of course is because it's like the nuclear unit and like the the part of the american dream that's about the perfect american family the perfect nuclear unit that's toxic and horrible. And this movie maybe is like, well, maybe it's also evil. Here's my Cincinnati question for you. Yes.

Is how are you going to have a scene where your creepy teen character goes to town on a bowl of spaghetti? And it's not skyline. And not just make it Skyline chili. Like, just like go the extra mile, you're going to us. Come on now. Come on, man. But maybe that's unsettling. Maybe that's one of the unsettling things about him is that he would have the option for Skyline.

Chili, and instead just goes for regular spaghetti. Listen, whenever you're feeling sad and hungry, it's not Skyline time. It's Barry Keogun time. He's so fucking good in this movie. The fucking spaghetti scene, man. And I remember those of us who liked this movie and did not think that it was horrid, because I'm sure that both of us are both. Some of us love this movie and also think it's horrid.

Yeah, but there's. people that think that this is a horrible No, yes. People think that this movie sucks. You know, they they I think were slower to the Barry Keogan train, but Barry Keoghan in this movie is like one of my favorite breakthrough performances

in a while. Granted, it's not his first time, you know, that we'd ever seen him, but... He was just in, he was this same summer was in Dunkirk. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. He's the one that dies on the Rylands boat, right? I, yes. I'm like 99. percent sure yes he's like sad boy in that one he's like he's so sweet in that one he's very sweet

and then he's like the harbinger of death in this movie yeah um i'm looking at his filmography well we'll get into the berykeogen filmography after the plot description we really should yeah yeah let's get into the plot description we're pushing a half hour already well i mean we also have the the delay etc snuffoo yeah listeners garries celebrate this momentous occasion we're here talking about the killing of a sacred deer, written and directed by Jorgos Lanthemos, also written by Ethymus Filippu, Starring Colin Farrell, Nicole Kidman, Barry Keogan, Rafi Cassidy, Sunny Soljic, Bill Camp, and, wait for it, the great Alicia Silverstone. The movie premiered in competition at Cannes, Opened Limited, just in time for Halloween,

October 20th, 2017. Oh, but it's not a horror movie, but it opened just in time for Halloween. Oh, I see. I'm conceding to you. Sometimes I'm nice, and I will let you have a W. Yeah, just in time for Halloween. Joe is giving me a fuck you,

just doing. Listen, we all have our roles here. My role is to be the prick. And, I mean, the most rude thing is that Joe has to give a 60-second plot description of this movie. Joe, are you ready to do so? I am. I'm going to go long, but I am. All right, then your 60-second plot description of The Killing of Sacred Deer starts now.

Okay, Martin is a teenage boy with hair in his armpits, whose father has recently died and who speaks with an odd affect. He spends a lot of time at the hospital, shadowing Stephen, a heart surgeon with even more hair on his armpits, though not three times as much as Martin. also hair on his chest, who speaks into the even more odd affect than Martin does. Stephen invites Martin over for dinner, and Martin meets Stephen's family, his wife, Anna, teenage daughter, Kim, and tween son Bob. Then Martin invites Stephen over to his less fancy house and his less fancy neighborhood for dinner with his now single mom, Cher Horowitz. And Cher tries to make a move on Stephen, and then when he's like, nah, she's like,

but my teenage son wants us to fuck, and he's like, nah, no. And so, anyway, Stephen, Stephen was two drinks in when he operated on Martin's father, which becomes important to know later when Stephen's children begin doing weird stuff like losing all function of their legs and being unable to eat food and singing Elie Goulding songs and shit. Nobody knows why this is happening, but Martin eventually tells Stephen he's making it happen as revenge for Stephen killing his dad, unless Stephen makes the choice to kill one of Anna, Kim, or Bob, and then all three of them will progress to paralysis to not eating

to bleeding eyes and death. This doesn't seem possible, but there aren't any other answers, and now Anna calls Stephen a pussy, so Stephen kidnaps Martin and ties him up in the basement, and Martin's like, I'm so fucking weird, you think this bothers me, here's a tooth. And Kim asked Martin to cure her and they'll run away together, and he's like, nah, and Anna tell Stephen all the things being equal, she should kill one of their kids, because Anna can always make more kids, and Kim and Bob try to suck

up to their dad, so he'll kill the other one, and eventually Stephen lets Martin go and puts a bag over everybody's heads and spins in a circle and shoots his rifle a few times, and he hits one of them, and it's Bob, R-I-P, Bob, but honestly, he had his eyes already started bleeding, so he was probably a goner anyway. A little bit later, the three surviving members of the weirdo family, eat lunch

at a diner, and Martin walks in, and they're like, fuck this, there's a red robin down the block, I think, and Martin looks at him, is like, yeah, no, I get it in the end. 40 seconds. Yeah. Good job. First of all, nothing funnier in this movie than the son's name is Bob.

One million percent. With that like shaggy mop of hair and his name is Bob, it's very funny. So good. Also, I'm so weird. Here's a tooth. He looks like his name would be like, like, Stefan or Corbin. Sebastian. Yeah.

Something like that. Yeah. Barry Keoggan is just like, that whole scene where he's kidnapped is so funny because he's just like tied to a chair and he's like, what? Like, this doesn't bother me. I'm the weirdest person you've ever met in your life.

You know, things just are as they are and you just got to accept what I'm telling you. And if you accept that what I'm telling you, then it's going to be fine. Just kill one of your kids. The scene where Anna is like, you should probably kill one of them because, like, I can have other kids.

It's amazing. It's amazing. It's a very twisted movie that I am very much on its wavelength, because I think ultimately what this movie is, is like, it's questioning this family unit that, like, they're so much about falling into the roles that they play as mother, daughter, father, son, and And adhering to it and wanting to be a good father, a good son, a good daughter, you know, the picture perfect thing. And it's like what that actually means and requires to them is nothing that any of them want. So like they're in this scenario that's like, well, you can just not do that anymore.

But they're so like bent in the ways of like having to be this, you know, image of a thing that they're also like they're willing to like die. horrifically in order to be that thing. They're not not the Third Rock from the Sun family. Like if you had told me that they were like aliens playing the parts of, like, down to like Nicole Kidman watering the garden at night, which became like a little bit of a breakout like a thing about the movie after it screened at Tiff.

But like the fact that like Colin Farrell is speaking in his own, his own Irish accent, but also like not quite his Irish accent. He's speaking like Graham Norton, kind of. Like, that's what he sounds like to me is Graham Norton. Nicole has her usual, like, is it still Aussie? Does it still? It's one of those, like, are there enough particles of Australian in this accent to still qualify as Australian? It's one of those.

Like, you want to just, like, get the measurement of it. Raffy Cassidy is not American, but she's speaking in an American accent. And the kid who plays Bob, who was also in mid-90s, is the only, like him and Bill Camp are the only major characters who are actually American in this movie. This also might have been the first time, I don't even know if I, like, I'm trying to think of like, when is the first time I made note of Bill Camp in a movie? And it might have actually been wildlife. And then, and then, you know that thing with the character actor where, like, the first time you really notice them and then you go back and you're like, it's like Ann Dowden compliance, where like, Then you go back and like, oh, Ann Dowd was in Garden State and, you know, all this sort of stuff.

I feel like, no, I feel like it was like around the time of this movie that we started talking about Bill Camp a little bit. Hold on. I'm going to go into his filmography really quickly. Give us the Bill Camp filmography. I love that the very first filmography we're going to go into in this podcast. For this movie is Bill Camp, the great Bill Camp. That's perfect. Okay, his second, okay, his first film credit is Reversal of Fortune, iconic. then he doesn't have another one, at least according to Wikipedia. And Wikipedia sometimes picks out the highlights, is in and out.

He's in and out as Bachelor Party guest, which rules. It's a lot of rules. Which, not letterbox, which laser disc is he holding at the Bachelor Party? He's got, what's Streisand movie? Yeah, he's probably got the way we were or something. Yeah. Listeners, if you know or you have a screenshot, get at us. He plays Frank Nidi in Public Enemies, Michael Mann's Public Enemies, which I believe is the same role that Stanley Tucci plays in Road to Perdition,

if I'm not mistaken. He's actually in compliance, speaking of Ann Dowd, which is kind of like character actor Nirvana, that he's also in that movie, although I can't remember what kind of role he plays. He, along with his wife Elizabeth Marvel, are both in Lincoln. He's in 12 years a slave, which makes like 100% sense. He's credited as Crazy Man in Birdman. He was just, we just talked about Love and Mercy. He's in Love and Mercy playing the Wilson's awful dad.

He's in Black Mass. That makes sense. Aloha. 2016, he's in Midnight Special and Loving and Jason Bourne. and gold. Remember that movie gold? So, like, already, like, it's really ramping up. But I want to see, like, what, like, TV, I imagine.

Oh, he's probably one of those people who was on, like, every single Law and Order. Four episodes of The Leftovers. Who was he on The Leftovers? I have an idea for a bet because we need a new bet. But I feel like you're going to agree with me. What? Placing a bet on. how soon Bill Camp is Oscar nominated.

Oh. Character actors, it's so hard. Because, like, when it happens, it happens big, like a J.K. Simmons thing. But, like, sometimes it just never happens. Nominated, though. Not winning. Nominated. Still.

But even still. Because you know what happens in supporting categories. Okay. Fine. Then if you're disagreeing with me, I am proposing that this is a bet right here, right now. What are you saying? In five years, Bill Camp will be. have an Oscar nomination.

So, buy the Oscars that honor the year 2028. Yes. Yeah, I'll take that bet. No, I don't want, I hate to bet for Bill Camp not to get recognized, but like, I just think it's hard for character actors. I realize I am placing this bet in the year of Boo Boo, Boo, his, his, Sound of Freedom or whatever the fuck it's called. That's true.

Granted, he filmed that movie years ago. Eh, I, and whatever, and character actors just take the. roles that are available to them. He didn't know anything about those people. Yeah, well, that's true. But anyway, TV shows he's in six episodes of damages. He's in four episodes of the leftovers. He's in, okay, the night of, 2016's the night of.

I do remember him on that. Maybe that was the first thing that I really made note of him. I believe he's the cop, right? He's the lead cop. I thought he was a, maybe I thought he was a lawyer, but no. I never finished that. show, I don't think. I mean, we didn't either, but I definitely started it.

If I finished it, I don't remember much after the first, like, two episodes. But, yeah, so by 2017, Sacred Deer, Wildlife is definitely the one where, you know, oh, and Molly's game. Same Tiff that I saw Killing of a Sacred Deer, I saw Molly's game, and you definitely remember him in Molly's game, because he's the responsible gambler who goes on tilt. And, and, and, I don't remember him in Molly's game. Oh, he's the, like, he's the, he's the good gambler until, what's his name? Brian Darcy James, who sucks, comes in and wins a huge hand off of him by, like, complete luck. And then Bill Camp loses his absolute sanity and just keeps borrowing money after money,

and he goes, like, super on tilt, and Molly finally has to, like, kick him out, and he, like, gets divorced from his wife and all this stuff. It's a very sad story. Anyway, I think I might have, I said maybe on the podcast one time, but like, I want a 30 for 30 on the poker game where bad Brad puts Harlan Eustace on tilt because like that would be like just like a fake 30 for 30 on a completely fictional, actually fact based considering it's based on true story. Sure, sure, sure. Bill Camp rules. Bill Camp in this movie... Bill Camp needs to be in another Yorgos Lantamos movie.

He's like a perfect... Yes. Like, supporting character, Yorgos Lantamos character. Like, not that I'm saying John C. Riley is bad in the Lompser, but maybe we should go back and AI replace Bill Camp in that role. I don't support AI, but you're not wrong that, like, that Bill Camp would be... That's like, that's the type of... of role that Bill Camp should be playing

in every Yorkist-Lompth of the most movie. Bill Camp is also the most normal character in this movie, and he plays somebody who exchanges a medical file for a handjob from Nicole Kidman in the front seat of his car. So, like, that's the movie.

Good hand job acting in this movie. Sure. He plays someone who shaves the cheeks off of a fish. Yeah. He does. That is the thing that happens. I mean, though it's, like, heightened, because everything in this movie is heightened, because it's Greek tragedy.

Yeah. I don't know. I feel like Alicia Silverstone behaves like a normal person would in this movie. She kisses Colin Farrell's hand after he, like, shows absolutely... And she does suck on his hand. Yeah. Yeah. But if you think of all behavior and action in this movie, like...

representative of something and not the literal action that they're doing. Well, that's, yeah, that's the movie. She won't let him leave until she has his tart. Or it has her tart. He has her custard, her caramel tart. Yes. I wasn't not intrigued by the idea of a caramel tart. We definitely thought that there would be more Alicia Silverstone in this movie.

Oh, here's the other thing I want to tell you about Alicia Silverstone, is I'm watching this movie last night, second time I've watched this movie, and I'm waiting for the part, where Alicia Silverstone's character commits suicide and I know it's coming and I'm like is it now it's 100% the lodge I realized it at the end of the movie I was like did I did I nod off and not realize it like at what point did she kill herself and I'm like wait a second

I'm thinking I was thinking of the lodge not a great movie I actually kind of liked the lodge I liked that movie it's well enough um not a great movie but a good movie um yeah poor Alicia you know what, she's better off without Colin Farrell, although she's got to raise this psychopath weird.

Okay, here's the thing I was going to say about Martin is, I understand that this is, like you say, it's Greek tragedy. It's the title of the movie is a reference to the story of Agamemnon. I believe this is part of the Iliad. If it's not part of the Iliad, it's like, you know, whatever. At some point in Greek, I took one class. In some ways, it is a modern day riff on this story of, like, someone being forced to kill one of their children. Yeah.

I took one class in Greek mythology, and I fucking loved it. And I'm kind of surprised that I never switched to being a classics major. Because, like, the stories were just amazing. But so Agamemnon, who, if you only know Greek myths from movies, he's the character that Brian Cox played in Troy. is one of the big, he's one of the kings of the great sort of like kingdoms of Greece and he's going to go to war he's going to go into the Trojan war

but at some point either on the way or before he leaves he kills a deer in the forest and that deer is one of the great, is one of sacred to the goddess Artemis. So she's mad at Agamemnon and she says to appease me you need to

kill your daughter if a Janaya and if you don't I am going to like send You must kill your daughter if a Janaya doubtfire Help was not on the way

for Agamemnon at that moment but she says if you don't then I'm going to send like these howling horrible winds and you'll never be able to make it to Troy because like your ship's wins. We'll send a run by fruiting. We'll send a run by fruiting and they'll knock your ships off course and you'll never make it to Troy. And so essentially in the myth, the idea is Agamemnon is faced with the choice of, do I sacrifice my daughter or do I not participate in the Trojan War? And he kills his daughter and he goes to Troy and all of the Iliad happens. And then that's the part that's like pertinent to this movie. be. The other part of it is he comes back and his wife, Clytemestra, has married some other guy, or like, shacked up with some other guy, and they kill Agamemnon. And then that whole thing leads to Electra, who was their daughter, doing something else. I don't know, Sophocles, Euripides, yada, yada, yada, but anyway, the point of it is, that's where the title is comes from. So this is all, this is Greek myth. You see it in a lot of the filmmaking. The shot of, from like the very top of the hospital over the escalator when Kidman and the kid are leaving before he collapses.

for the second time, there's a lot of the camera sort of, like, moving at these sort of omniscient angles. Judgment of the gods material. Right. And Martin, the Barry Keogan character, is also, like, weirdly omniscient, omnipotent, not only in the, he, you know,

has seemingly figured out a way to, you know, impact these children and make them sick and make them paralyzed and make them bleed out their eyes. he's taking credit for it, but we don't know how he's doing it. He also seems to know things. He seems to know that Stephen was response. Not only was the surgeon in his father's surgery, but seems to know that Stephen was at fault in a way that, like, he wouldn't necessarily know, and he's, he's weirdly omnipotent.

And, like, all of those things, I understand. I understand that this is a movie where you're not supposed to know the whys of everything that happening because there are no answers. and yet. Judgment of the gods. And yet, I watch this and I'm like, so did he like slip some poison into like their drinks when he was hanging out with them? Or like, do you think it's like a psychosomatic thing where he has some sort of like weird hold on him?

Do you think that Anna would have ever gotten sick at all because she never even starts getting sick in this? And was it only with the kids? And is that because he never got close enough to Anna to poison it? or is it like some sort of like powder-based neurotoxin? And like, that's just the way my brain works. I know that I'm not supposed to know the answers to this. I know that Jorgos Lantamos is taking that desire to know things and using it against me. We are two very different viewers for this movie because you're the one that's like, well, if God exists, why does God let wars happen?

And I'm over here singing our God is an awesome God. You know, I just go with it, man. But like, I'm not, I'm not a stupid person. I understand that this is what the movie, but like, do you know what I mean? But like my natural inclination, even when I am faced with a movie that I know is good because it leaves these questions unknowable. It's a more effective movie. It's a more unsettling movie.

I like when a movie is fucking with me in that way. I still will spend a half an hour after it being like, I wonder how he did it. And I wonder, is he like, is he super natural? Is he like, is he some sort of like Greek god made man? Is he some sort of like curse that was placed on Stephen after he did this horrible thing to this man and like now he's on earth? Like all of, there are no answers to any of these things. But I'm just saying like, that's how my brain works as I watch a movie like this. I do think some of why I'm like, it just is what it is.

And I can go with it. And it's not a barrier to entry for me is a credit to the Barry Keogan performance. Because he's like, even he's like, I don't understand it, but it is what it is. I'm not omnipotent, but I'm just here to tell you what it is. And, like, his delivery of that makes it funny, so I go with it. I go with it, too. Like, trust me, I don't want to, like, give the wrong impression. This is not a barrier to entry to me.

This is not, this does not make me like the movie at a lot of questions. But I also will have this experience while I do it. And it's just sort of the way my brain works. Not unfrustrating for you. No, but, like, but. that frustration is part of what's good about it. I want a movie to make me feel something. And part of what this movie makes me feel, it's a good kind of frustration. There are ways that a movie can frustrate me that I think is bad and will, you know, make me not like it. That's not the case with this one. The things that this movie frustrates people on, I think, says so much more about the viewer than it does about the movie. Sure. Yeah. Also the things that like people love about it probably also says. more about the viewer than it does about the movie. To say, like, I want to talk about the spaghetti scene a little bit because that's heavy

on my mind because of, in my mind, in my memory, he ate that whole bowl of spaghetti with his hands. A lot of these questions come up, too. Yeah. Because Nicole Kidman is basically asking the rules of it. Okay. Here's a thing I want to ask you, because this is, and this is me, this is maybe a fault of mine is that like sometimes I look for a little bit too neat of a symmetry but like it's irresistible

to me this notion that Colin Farrell is a heart surgeon and he behaves as if he has no heart right Nicole Kidman is an ophthalmologist is it part of her character that she has is is seeing things part of that character you know what I mean like I mean maybe I understand that that's too that's too neat and tidy of a way to look at these characters. characters, but it's such a strong element of his character that, like, I'm looking for it in hers. Do you know what I mean? Mostly to me, it just feels like an opportunity, a missed opportunity to have some gross eye shit in this movie. Oh, that's, thank God. I already stressed out enough with the heart thing. Honestly, double feature this movie with DeHumani's

corpora's Fabrica. Anyway, you were-documentary about like the human body in a hospital. No, thank you. But you were talking about, you were talking about the spaghetti scene. which I just want to, like, in my memory, from, you know, seeing it the first time, in my memory, he eats that whole bowl of spaghetti with his hands. And, like, that doesn't happen. Like, my mind just invented that. But it's because he eats it so grossly. It's the largest mountain of spaghetti and the tiniest fork. That's what it is.

And he shrubs it in his mouth, the fucking freak. What's so genius, what is so funny, what is so upsetting about the whole act of the spaghetti is that, It is both absolutely ludicrous, but also entirely realistic. Like, teenage boys just eat like that. Yes. But, like, you haven't really seen that depicted in a movie in a way that is both heightened and real. Here's the other thing. As a single person who, like, makes dinner for one, I can't guarantee that I have not also eaten a bowl of pasta.

I can't either. I can't get on my high horse about it, actually. You probably just don't eat it like that. If I ever saw the way I ate certain things, I'm sure I would be fucking horrified. I will say about that scene, though, so much of the discussion gets put on both the plate of spaghetti and Barry Keogan, but, like, Nicole Kidman rips that scene. Yeah, she does. She's so good in this movie, and I don't think got enough credit. There was a whole lot going on with her this year, and this movie weirdly felt like a footnote by the end of it, and I do think that...

She plays a tricky character, though. I think she does and I think she usually she's an interesting actress when she goes dark and I think there's some dark levels to this and she never really gets to be funny in this movie that much I mean maybe beyond general anesthetic which like that's that's one of the scenes that it's like I dare you to laugh you know um she that there's something so dark about that scene where she's like well this is my husband's been so why do I have to pay the price for what this is? Why should I have to suffer for what you're ultimately trying to do here? And it's because she's ultimately implicated in this too. You know, Colin Farrell's crime isn't that, you know, he killed Martin's father on an operating table. The crime is that he covered it up by trying to adhere to the, like, look at what an upstanding, you know, man and father I am. The other thing is, the other thing is, is there's a, when, when Martin is at the family's house for dinner, when Colin Farrell invites him over for dinner, he makes a mention of the fact that, oh, I don't live in such a nice neighborhood and I don't live in such a nice house. And then you go to his house. And like, it's not as nice and suburban and fancy schmance as Colin Farrell's house, but it's not a dump. You know what I mean? Like, it looks like a fairly, like, normal middle class house. He's got a dining room. He's got, you know what I mean? Like, it's a two-story.

home there's a yard you know it's but there is an unmistakable sense of um fuck this rich family with two doctors as parents and their moppy-haired little kid and is the daughter who sings ellie goulding that weird ass house man like only in certain parts of southern ohio wealthy southern ohio where you see houses like that where it's like yeah it's not a mansion but it has wings to the house. Like, there's a full, like, staircase that goes up to, like, this weird, like, L-shaped. That basement, which is, like, semi-finished in that, like, there are walls down there and lights, but there's no furniture, but it's fucking huge. It, like, goes on forever. Yeah. Like a tooth. Speaking of Barry Keogh, spitting out of tooth. I wrote down, like, 8 billion little bits of

of dialogue in this, too. The part, the first dinner they have when it's just the family, where Colin Farrell is getting on Bob's case about getting a haircut. And eventually it leads to this moment where Nicole Kidman just goes, you have lovely hair too. We all have lovely hair. Well, because this movie takes place in a world where small talk doesn't exist. Or small talk exists, it's like biological. Or the shit that, you know, you're thinking about, but you don't actually say in small talk, but it's treated like it's small talk. Like they're at the, they're at some

gala thing and they're like, our daughter just started menstruating. Yeah. Which like that was the one that like made our audience gasp. Like, well, but it's, but that's so funny because he says that to Bill Camp and Bill Camp just goes great. Like that's his response. As our daughter started

menstruating this week and he goes, great. And it's, you know, that's what small talk is in this movie. And it ultimately is things that are domestic, like, isn't our Harris are nice? Or, like, you are going through the passage of life. And, like, there's a still... People, like, talk about the stilted language of this movie, and I think that's what it is, is, like, it's people saying what they actually mean, or, like, saying things that they wouldn't say in a public space, but, like, ultimately

those things kind of don't matter. these you know what what is significant and what like is uncomfortable in this world is not these like things that by the you know especially midwestern or whatever suburban upper class rulebook of the things that make people uncomfortable to talk about like menstruation or like body hair here's my question to you they're ultimately not significant one of the things with this movie not a thing I struggle with, but a thing I sort of like ponder about is I'm not always sure what a director is trying to say and I'm not always sure that I need to know what a director is trying to say. But this movie

is interesting because Lanthamos has this reputation for, if not fucking with his audiences, like poking at him. You know what I mean? He's not quite Michael Hanukkah, but there's enough Michael Hanukkah in him. And Michael Hanthaca is obviously

like Michael Hanukkah wants to like fuck with his audience and like sometimes like make his audience feel fucking awful right um um i feel like there's a there's a element of lanthamos playing with the audiences sympathies and is it possible to have sympathy for a family that behaves this strangely and this sort of like not like regular humans behave where like the the the couple are having sex but they're having sex where she pretends like she's a corpse or the children are just so weird and nobody speaks in sentences that sound remotely normal and so when this like awful thing descends upon them there's a degree to which you're sort of watching this from like outside you know from

outside glass a little bit. And a lot of people sort of like criticize the movie for that. But I almost feel like it's an interesting little experiment of like are these people real people because they don't really behave like real people. And so is it I don't know, what does it mean then when like the patriarch of that family spins around in a circle with a bag over his head and like starts shooting indiscriminately. To randomly shoot them because he

you know. Right. I mean there is certain level of Lanthamos that I think he is some type of disturbed humanist in that like I don't think he I don't think he is uncompassionate because like some of the things he does are so like not upsetting in a Hanukkah way right you know that it feels like it's this you know triatus against certain parts of our culture but I do think he makes movies about human behavior and human behavior that we're not always uh comfortable or proud to talk about. I think even the favorite is about that. I just rewatch the favorite for about the 20th time. Spoiler alert, great movie. Spoiler, good movie. Great movie about human behavior, you know.

Like, he can make a movie where it's just like, like killing of a sacred deer or dog tooth, where it's like, well, these are alien people. And he can make a movie set in, you know, period, Great Britain. But they're all ultimately about human behavior. and like the way that we are as people when no one's looking maybe or the things that we believe in ourselves that are true or not true or we're ashamed of being true. And like movies about the social order too. Like The Lobster is absolutely a movie about the social order.

The favorite is a movie about how like we adhere to certain social orders but we'll never truly understand each other on a personal level. and like this is the one that I think is closest to dog tooth like this movie feels tied with dog tooth and I don't like dog tooth as much as I like this movie and that it is about like family units and like what is the social order of that like who are we supposed to be as people following in these own in these roles how much of it is like

our adherence to a belief rather than something that is I don't know I mean you say like you don't don't like always know like what a director is intending but like you can have your own ideas about it based on and I do but I do but like I like also you know you like the idea that there's an idea that's correct not even that's correct but like what a filmmaker might be trying to trying to say you know and how effective they are and sometimes that's valuable to know and sometimes it's less valuable to know um He's not really someone who's going to tell you what he's trying to do.

I don't think. You know, there's not a whole lot of, I've not read a lot of deep interviews. You know what I mean? It's easier to pull out of dog tooth, this idea of like, dog tooth, by the way, unincredibly, like probably way more pertinent to 2023, the world in 20223 than it was when it originally came out in terms of. will say, though, like, yes, I think you're absolutely right about Dogtooth. Dogtooth makes a lot of its ideas and a lot of what is trying to say and do so explicit. And in a lot of ways, that's why I think Killing of a Sacred Deer is a much more interesting movie. Um, because, you know, there's the, there's the slipperiness of that. Dog tooth is anything but a slippery movie. Um, right. Dog tooth, though, is good to bring up because that's where like the Oscar trajectory, however, um, um, um, um, um, um, uh, Expected begins with Jorgos Lanthamos.

It's not his debut feature that movie premieres in certain regard in Cannes, and then is well-received, I think, did it win the... I believe so. Did it win in certain regard for Cannes? But it's in the now international feature, then foreign language film race at a time when the executive committee existed. We cannot say, because we do not. not know, and they don't make that information public, that dog tooth was what we consider an executive committee save. Right.

Where the executive committee, when the shortlist is made, they, you know, the normal group of the academy that's voting on the films to proceed in that race has their ballots and those movies are pushed through. The executive committee was a select group of people who voted changed every year. and they were they were there to make sure that like the most critically acclaimed foreign film of the year

wasn't left off because it was not cuddly enough for difficult or you know they were there because of four months three weeks and two days like they were yes there was a lot of uproar about that movie not being nominated and it was seen

because it was difficult dark and controversial subject matter dog tooth comes along and has, like, explicit sex, uh, themes of incest and, uh, horrible violence. Yeah. Um, very violent movie.

I remember people saying like, even the, even the executive committee is probably not going to go for this. Like, I don't think anybody expected it to get knocked to the point that it gets nominated. Mm-hmm. And what won that year? Uh, in a better world, the Susanna Beer. Right. And what was an interesting race, though, because Susanna Beer wins, but there's

also Inuritu for beautiful De Neville Nouve for Anzantis and an Algerian film called Outside the Law. So you have a bunch of major filmmakers. Some major, major filmmakers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And like, Inuritu had already been

embraced by the Academy at that point, but this is also Villeneuve's entry into, like, the Academy Club. It is rare that the international feature slash foreign language film line up even from a fair distance of hindsight has three directors who would go on to be nominated and best director. You know what I mean? Like, it's significant. Yeah. And I think Dogtooth also getting that nomination, I do think it left some lingering hope for killing of a sacred deer that

it's like, well, if the academy could go for Dogtooth, which is even more out there and more explicit at least, maybe there's a chance for killing of a sacred deer. And then, of course, you know, you have to have the conversation of, well, Dogtooth, this is a special case. If the killing of a sacred deer was in the foreign language, it would have had a better shot. Right, if he had made it as a Greek film. Yeah. But he also made Alps between... What did you think of Alps, by the way? I love Al. I mean, I like Alts quite a bit. Yeah. I love all of Jorgos's movie. I mean, his debut, Keneta is very much a debut. Yeah.

Very much a debut. But yeah, I mean, one of my favorite filmmakers, you're not going to hear me knocking one of his movies. But I do think it, you know, it starts the path for Lanthamos being in discussion for Oscar, even though he makes these out there movies. And partly because, like, when you're in a race like that and, like, you're hobnobbing and you're shaking hands

and you're meeting people and, like, people start to want to work with you. Once the lobster comes along, the lobster premieres it can, wins a jury prize it can, gets distribution, was it with alchemy, and then alchemy folds, and A24 picks it up, so the movie doesn't debut, or not debut, the movie doesn't hit theaters, at least in the States, until almost a year after the Cannes debut, and then almost another year later, last enough to get an original screenplay nomination. And, like, that's a movie that was even divisive for itself. You know, some people hate the first chapter of that movie. Some people hate the second chapter of the movie. Yeah. I was a little more mixed on the lobster when I first saw it, and I've grown to love it more and more. It's so funny to me.

It's such a funny movie. Yeah. Yeah. I don't love. I am one of those people who don't love the latter part of it as much. Once they're in the woods, once Leia se do, as with many things, once Leia's do shows up, I start to like it less. You check out.

That's mean. I shouldn't say that. Leosidu is fine in a lot of things. I just feel like, I don't know. Leosidu in English language is not always made the most. It's maybe a blue is the warmest color thing, because I also felt that way in passages about Adele Xartropolis's character, where I'm just like, past. Man, no one wants to talk about blue is the warmest color. anymore and that's because everybody who went all in

for that movie is like well maybe that movie wasn't as good as we thought it was at first and it's like no that movie was never that good but whatever so I like the lobster a lot

I think that the second half of the movie I find it so romantic okay all right let's investigate this I mean, yes, it's a dark movie. It's dark comedy. And, like, that is a movie that I think, especially with the way that it ends, it's like, well, could you ever really be comfortable in a romantic situation?

Can you ever really give all of yourself to a person? You know, Yorgos Lantamos asking the questions that he always will be asking in his movies. But, you know, just the sequences of how they can't speak to each other because they're in this society where they can't. can't show their affection and love for each other, and, like, they develop basically their own symbolic language, and they do all of this stuff, and they end up running away together. But then also, when they, you know, given the opportunity, they can't help but make out on a stranger's couch while a weird song is being played. I mean, that's romance. That's love. Sure. what is love if not that um so you have these two movies that against some odds become oscar nominees you can see how the follow-up to that and also his return to can would have that type of buzz along with it yeah and we should talk about the Nicole Kidman's year at this can alone let's do that

It's, she has this and the beguiled in competition, out of competition, all of, uh, top of the lake China girl premieres. And there's how to talk to girls at parties. How to talk to girls at parties doesn't go over well. You love that movie. It takes forever to reach theaters. I really like that movie. Yeah. Nicole Kimman is having the time of her life of the millennials in that movie. She That's true. So kooky. Um, I like that movie. I love John Cameron Mitchell. I love John Cameron Mitchell. I loved his previous collaboration with Nicole Kidman when they did Rabbit Hole together.

I wanted to love how to talk to girls at parties, especially because what's his face, Alex Sharp is so good. I love that kid. So, like, I really, really, really wanted that movie to, like, pop off for me, and it didn't so much.

And I couldn't quite explain why. It felt like John Cameron Mitchell trying to make a Greg Iraqi movie, and it wasn't quite making it for me. I'm not quite sure. No two John Cameron Mitchell movies are alike. That's true.

I think there's some expectations that people held against that movie that it was never even trying to achieve. I mean, like, almost the presence of Nicole Kidman in a movie like that kind of does a bit of a disservice to it because people, even though Nicole Kidman has done everything and excelled at everything, people still expect it to be something different. and L. Fanning being in that movie, people expect it to be something different.

And it's this kind of shaggy, goofy, sweet, little weird movie that I think is perfectly fun. But Nicole Kidman also wins just to herself, not even mention of the movies, just because she has so much going on there at Cannes. They awarded her the 70th anniversary prize at Cannes. Okay. Talk to me about this. when I did my little can pool for our little group of friends a couple years ago, whatever, it would have been, what, the, we've been doing it the past two years, I thought. Right, but two years ago was one of those even your anniversary. It would have been 70s. Every five years sometimes that, I don't think the jury is required to, but they have the option of giving an additional prize considered an anniversary. And it's just a prize for, we like you. they I mean they've given it to movies they've given it to just Nicole Kidman for doing a bunch of stuff right right I don't I have this God we're really getting into the many myriad ways in which I do want to talk about this can though you will I will I will allow it at a second I just want to say that like the way my brain functions I'm like what is this an award for and it's like what are you talking about we're giving an award to Nicole Kidman and I'm like for what and they're like it's our 70th anniversary and

I'm like, that's not an answer to the question that I was asking. And it's just, and I don't know, I just need, I need, I need there to be. I think what you're saying is for our, for our anniversary episode, we need to be giving away 70th anniversary prizes. When we hit episode 300, we're just going to give away a 70th anniversary prize. Sure. Hold us to this, listeners. Yeah.

Okay. Yes, for a 70th anniversary, make sure we do this. All right. We're going to give a 70th anniversary prize to Nicole Kidman. We should. talk about can 2017 i hear you in concept because yes there should be parameters to everything however i disagree okay uh because i like i like prizes especially at can what i don't like at can is when they give ties in every category see i like that i like ties in that way let everybody get a prize

okay fine fine fine not everybody if you throw in a couple of ties it's not going to be the end of the world I don't mind that. This is the can that Pedro Ovar is the president of. Also, lots of fun rumors around it because, like, Papa Pedro is a messy bitch who lives for drama, and he will talk about you. Wait, so talk to talk about that. You can't just drop that and then walk away from it. What were the rumors? He's talked about the jury experience for this. He's talked about specifically Will Smith. It is very funny to imagine Will Smith sitting and watching this movie. Yes, it is. That, like, Will Smith didn't love. doing it. He's also intimated that Will Smith was one of the people who

prevented BPM from winning the palm. Right. We've talked about this before. There seemed to have been the people who didn't like it. So that story, that story that Will Smith was maybe the one who blocked

BPM from winning the palm. Not just Will Smith. It sounds like it was also Sorrentino. But that comes from Pedro himself? I think those rumors abounded And Pedro, I forget exactly what he has said But he said that it To the extent

I don't want to misquote him But I do think he said, yeah, that was kind of why I felt This movie did not get the palm And then they give the first palm Ruben Ouslin's first palm to the square Which is a movie that is Fine I think it's a good movie

I think it's a good movie. BPF is obviously much better, but yes. Also in this jury, Maran Adde, please make another movie. Park Chan-Wook, Jessica Chastain. This is when Jessica Chastain was also talking about how shocking it was the lack of female roles being made by some of the leading filmmakers of the world.

Yeah. Fun can. This is also the can that starts all of the can versus Netflix stuff because I hope to admire with it. stories are, go back to our Meyer with stories, we'll probably talk more about that there. Yeah. We're both BPM for the Palm people, right?

Yeah, let me bring it up. Hold on one second. But yes, I think we've had this conversation before. I'm definitely BPM for the Palm. Hold on. Listeners, go watch BPM. Great movie. Yes, indeed. Okay, so in Competitish,

I think if I'm going for Palm BPM, I think we talked about this, where I would take I would give the Grand Prix to Meyerowitz Story, Meyerwet's stories, new and selected. I'm trying to think of who I would do. I obviously haven't seen all of

these movies, but I've seen probably about half of them. I'm trying to think of like actors' prizes for this lineup. Ruth Negga for, oh no, that's sorry, that's not loving. That's a movie called Loveless. Sorry. Oh, I saw Loveless. Loveless was nominated for the Oscar, right? Yeah, that movie's

fine. That's fine. Yeah. That's fine um i don't think i give anything to the beguiled we should do that movie though it's here at some point um oh this is the can with both um you were never really here and good time my feel bad movies that jo absolutely my feel bad movies of 2017 um happy end the hanukkah movie that you like more than i do good movie really funny movie oakja a movie that i like more than you do maybe no i like okay What if I gave my actor prize to Jake Jillen Hall and Oak Joe? What if I did that? Go off, sis. I love it.

Like, that feels like a thing you would do at a film festival just to like, you know, I don't know. I think, I mean, I feel like back in the days when prompts didn't annoy me, I think I did this prompt on Twitter before that it's like, BPM Palm, Killing of a Sacred Deer Grand Prix, director Hanukkah,

um, jury prize. Meyerowitz. Actor Kly's Bang. Actress was, God, Diane Kruger for In the Fade. That movie we saw together.

I was thinking about that too, Diane Kruger for In the Fade. Yes. I actually think I would give my best actress to Kirsten Dunst for the Beguiled. Oh, that's not bad. Okay. And then I guess for screenplay,

I'm giving it to... See, I don't like when they give two prizes to the same thing. Well, they try not to. Yeah. Right, right, right. Okay, here's what I would do. I would do Palm to BPM, Grand Prix to Meyerowitz Stories, director to Lanthamos for killing of a sacred deer, actor to Jillon Hall for Okja, actress to Diane Kruger for In the Fade. What did I say? Jury? Have I given jury prize yet? Jury Prize to the Square Um Screenplay to

I guess Happy End a movie that I don't really love Screenplay Which Sacred Deer wins But ties with you were never really here Screenplay always ends to seem Always ends up seeming like it's the consolation prize

Like the one they wanted to give a prize to and never gave something to, because, and it's also, like, it's the one that I think Cannes says you can give it to a movie you've given another prize to that isn't the Grand Prix or the Palm winner. Because I guess I get giving screenplay to Sacred Deer. You Were Never Really Here is not really a screenplay movie. If you want to reward Lynn Ramsey, give her a director prize. Give her director.

Yeah. Yeah. Or, like, give it, if you really like you, are never really, here, then give it to Joaquin. If you really like Good Time, then give it to Joaquin. Oh, he does win. That's, he does win actor. Waukeen wins and it wins screenplay. Ugh, God.

Ugh. I, like, I don't know. I think that movie's fine. I think people were a little overblown about that, and I love Lynn Ramsey. It's so unpleasant. I know that, like, I know that I'm being a baby when I say that. But, like, you feel very too wet end about that movie.

A little bit. Yeah, a little bit. Why am I watching people get their skulls bashed in by hammers what end is a good way to put that to what end is a good way to put that whereas like good time I'm I also find that movie tedious but I also just like

the whole Josh and Benny Softie thing is also just a barrier to entry that I don't love I mean I like uncut gems I don't get why people love good time so much especially the Benny Safty performance enough I think uncut gems is okay

I think that movie is all right. I think that's a movie. People talking about like, my heart rate was at something that I've never had before at Uncut Jems. It's the most tense movie ever. It's like, Adam Sandler's in the fucking Diamond District, man. I think it's going to be okay. Like, Jesus, fucking Christ. I don't know.

Jesus. We haven't talked about much about Colin Farrell. We haven't. movie. He's incredible in this movie. I think I've, I think he was, no, he wasn't my best actor winner this year, but like, I was something. Too little was made during the last year's Oscar campaign about the banshees of In a Sharon that Colin Farrell and Barry Keogan were in a movie together before. I know also Barry's in Batman, but they don't share any scenes, obviously. But like, Colin Farrell and Barry Keogun should make a movie together every few years because they're so good together. Like, they're, genuinely just fantastic together. And it's so funny, how much of them did you see on the campaign trail last year? Because Colin Farrell, and I think he doesn't. They clearly love the shit out of each other. They do, but Colin Farrell also gives off this like, older brother, little brother thing where he's like, where he kind of like he makes fun of him a little bit. And it doesn't

there like a photo of the two of them chopping wood together or am I conflating two separate photos of each of them individually chopping wood? I don't, I'm unfamiliar with all this. but now I'm going to have to look it up at some point because that sounds amazing. I feel like we need to ask Jason Adams this question. He will not be in. Probably. But like the vibe between them is so funny because it does, didn't Colin have this whole thing on like multiple talk shows where he talked about

Barry like eating all of the whatever in their little like shared? Because they live together. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just adorable. But they're so good in their scenes together. And Colin is the weirdest fucking character in this movie. He's so...

So good. Just, like, buried in a mountain of beard. Yes. Listen, we know I'm the thirstier of the two hosts. Yeah. But, like, it just can't... For certain types. I can't go unmentioned my...

Uh, primal. Okay. Here we are. Here we are. We have arrived. Yeah. Colin Farrell is so sexy in this. movie, and I just need that on the table.

I mean, you're not being controversial to say that Colin Farrell is sexy, by the way. But in this movie. Even in this movie, I think he's incredibly attractive, but like, it's not like Colin in this milieu really gets my engine revving more so than like Colin in in just going for a jog. Right, well, just going for a jog, but like Colin in like something where he's a little less, I don't mind, it's not like I don't mind the beer. but it's just like he's he's a big old weirdo in this movie and so so funny I mean the man can sell a joke in any type of tone yeah I think he's one of our greatest living actors and I'm glad that I was glad last year for banshees but it was just like it was never getting to the point that I thought he deserved it and granted like I don't love his banshee's performance as much as I do like this or the lobster

or like, to be honest, let's just say it. I don't, I don't love it even as much as I love him in phone booth. Like, that's a movie star performance right there. That is a statement right there. I did not know where the end of that sentence was going to go. He is so good in phone booth. Phone booth is as good as it is because he's that good. Make this a thing that you talk about more on social media.

Like, become the guy who talks about phone booth all the time. I don't give opinions there. All right. I don't give opinions then. You should talk about phone booth more because this is a very interesting lane for you. He's so good in phone booth. I believe you. I've seen it.

80 minutes, I'll kill or no filler. I was going to say, like that Colin Farrell being a grade A plus movie star in phone booth. I could watch the entirety of it while I'm like standing in line for, you know, airport security or something like that. I should do that. I should watch it next time. Yeah, Colin Farrell's great in this. What's he doing at this time in his career? Obviously, Lobster was 2015.

I mean, he's doing nothing. He is on the picket line. No, I mean, when, in killing of a sacred deer time. Oh. Well, he's also in The Beguile being fantastic. Having his body parts hacked off by these faithless wenches. You vengeful bitches. That's right, vengeful bitches. That's what it is. We don't talk enough about, I mean, we could save this mostly, but I do generally have to say, we don't, like, we talk about cats trailer drop day. We talk about Stars Born Trailer Drop Day. Honestly, the Beguile Trailer Drop Day was a moment.

It was a moment. Not as big as those other moments, but it was a moment. The Fetch Me the Anatomy Book. That's good stuff. That's the good stuff right there. I wish I liked that movie more than I did. Maybe I should give it another shot. I liked it a lot when it came out and it really has faded from memory for me.

You know what else he's great in in 2017? In this is in that movie are great. You know what else he's great in in 2017? What? A little film called Roman J. Israel Esrail Esriar. Oh, great movie. Great movie. A top-tiered Denzel, but like I like Colin's performance in that.

He's a interesting little angle on that movie. I like him a lot. Colin Farrell is such a good actor. He is. We need a redo on last year. Let's get him that Oscar. I mean, yeah. Of the top contenders, he would have been the one I would have wanted to win.

I mean, I already had my money anyway. So, like, I was, you know, tevia dancing with my $50 of yours down the aisle. But I also wanted to win. I'm going to get that $50 back with my tevia Bill Camp dancing. Your Bill Camp. Bill Camp would be a good tevia. Could he? We could see that.

We could see this. Is Bill Camp Jewish? No. Well. Well. Well. Well, but we've made, we have established that Alfred Molina is like a cultural tofu and that like anything you want him to be, he will take on the flavor of. So, um, uh, Alfred Molina is special in that way. Um, whereas I don't know. But anyway, uh, plus, well, Bill Camp is in fiddler, in a big screen fiddler. That's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, is Bill Camp.

have you just Danny Burstein? Yes. Like, Yes. Okay. Yes, that's the answer to your question. Does Danny Burstein ever get a crossover film role? Does Danny Burstein ever cross over to become a character actor in movies?

He's in TV. Hold, please. Because Danny Burstein was fully in a movie one time and I was like, you go, Danny Burstein. Because he'll show up in TV every once in a while, but he's still like, he's one of those character actors who's really, really stayed theater guy, even though I think he would be a great character actor in movies. Why hasn't he been in like a Spielberg movie? Why wasn't he in Lincoln?

Right. Danny Burstein's known for, are you ready for this? Yeah, give it to me. Michael Mann's Black Hat. Wow. Deception, the Hugh Jackman Michelle Williams bomb. Ewan McGregor? Wow. Yeah.

Stuart Little. Huh. And Brace for Cringe, Trans America. Wow. would have not guessed any one of those. Oh, Danny Burstein's in Tick-Tick-Bomb. Yes, of course. Well, that's a good, like, crossover.

That makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it feels like there should be, you know, more on-screen Danny Burstein performances. So Colin Farrell around this time, so he makes the lobster that gets released in 2015, that comes after, let's do from like in Bruges, right? In British is a nice little. He gets the Golden Globe for it. He should have been Oscar nominated, yada, yada. And then he goes on this like run of lead roles in very small movies or sort of, you know, movies that are made in the UK. Or smaller roles in American movies where he's like, he's the lead in Neil Jordan's Andine. He's a small role in Crazy Heart.

He's one of the replacement Heath Ledgers in Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus. I guess he is the lead in, um, no, he's not the lead, right. He's, he's a, he's a supporting performance in Peter Weir's the way back, which is a movie about how dirty human teeth and feet can get in, I've never seen that movie. It's a, it's a, uh, an endurance test, I will say. Um, he's in that movie London Boulevard that I never saw, but seem to have been on the release calendar for like years. I feel like. It was just, um, that movie in Brighton Rock, I felt like, were like always, always about to, to happen. Original, it's going to happen for Andrea Riseboro movie Brighton Rock. Yeah. He makes a series of mainstream movies where he's in horrible bosses. He's the lead in Fright Night and he's

the lead in the, uh, in Total Recall remake. None of Fright Night people like, I've not seen that Fright Night, but I know people, like, stick up for the Fright Night remake. Craig Gillespie's Fright Night. Rest and peace, Anton Yeltschen. Yes, true. He reteams with Martin McDonough in Seven Psychopaths, a movie that I don't really like very much. Not Collins' fault. He's in... No. He's in Saving Mr. Banks in 2013, which is also supporting performance. performance. 2014's rough. 2014, he's the lead in Winter's Tale, which is a howler of a bad thing.

I need to see Winter's Tale. Have you never seen it? I'm going to scream my head off when I see it. I know. We're not going to have time to see it in Toronto, but if we did, we'd have a time. We'd have so much fun. You know what I hear is a Winter's Tale serenity level experience? What?

Ben Affleck Vehicle Hypnotic. Apparently. So we need to watch it. What is hypnotic? It's the Robert Rodriguez, like, I think, disappearing child movie with Ben Affleck that, like, briefly played theaters, but is supposed to be like that level crazy. When did it briefly play theaters this year? Spring. Weird. I've never heard of it. Okay. I've told you about this. I've told you we need to watch hypnotic. In one year out the other. That's so crazy. Okay. Where are we? And then also, so 2014 is Winter's Tale and then Miss Julie, which I, the least, the least. woman, Miss Julie, which I thought was wretchedly bad. Again, not his fault. I do think Jessica Chastain is particularly terrible in Miss Julie. But other people I know liked it better than me. So, like, maybe, you know, whatever. He makes The Lobster with the August Lantamos in 2015.

That rules. 2016, he memorably is in Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, the first Fantastic Beast's and Where to Find Them, the first Fantastic Beast movie. And at the end of the movie is revealed to be Johnny Depp in a sort of weird Dr. Parnassus-esque like reunion where all of a sudden two of the Dr. Parnassas's end up body swapping at the end of Fantastic Beasts. Well, because what happens is he's playing one character who, like, the notoriously evil Grindlewald in the lore of Harry Potter killed and then assumes the identity of and then you realize at the end the twist is that. that Grindle Wald, who is played by Johnny Depp, has assumed this guy's identity. Which is just, like, super convoluted when it's like, you could have maybe just had Colin Farrell.

I'm glad that Colin Farrell was able to hop off that trolley at that point, though. That's fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2017, we mentioned, sacred dear, beguiled, Roman J. Israel. 2018 is our beloved widows, which he's fantastic in. 2019, he's in Dumbo, which... People like, people like that Dumbo. I saw that, and I remember nothing of it.

Like, that was a movie I think I watched on Disney Plus in early pandemic, and don't recall very much about it at all. It's sort of the forgotten live-action remake when you talk about it's the one that didn't get nominated for Oscars. All of the Disney Live Action remakes got nominated for some kind of Oscar or another except for Dumbo. He's in the guy Ritchie movie The Gentleman, which my dad asks me about once a month. Have you seen that movie The Gentleman? I still haven't seen it yet. He loves it. Most critics I know hated it.

Dad, I'm gay. Watching that movie. I will watch a dude's movie. I will just not watch that one. Artemis Fowle, a movie that I believe if you check my Disney Plus, is still at like 54% watched. If you ever go to click on it, it will pick up right in the middle because I've never finished Artemis Fowl. Oh, Ava, the Jessica Chastain movie Ava.

Isn't that a Tate Taylor movie? Never saw that. I always meant to check it out and see what it was about, but I never did. They just quietly snuck that onto Netflix during the pandemic. And then I think it still was like number one on Netflix. What if I took a cursed Saturday afternoon and watched Red Sparrow and Ava back to back? What if I just did that? Those two and that other, what's the other one with like Lupita Nyango?

and Fan Bing Bing about... Oh, the 355? Yeah. What if I watch those three movies, just boom, boom, boom. What a day. Oh, God. The 355, which I still haven't seen. I love when you refer to movies as pretzel bites movies, but all three of those movies...

It's a pretzel bites movies. What if I just, like, made pretzel bites at home and watch those three movies? That'd be fun. That'd be a fun day. Much like The Last Voyage of Demeter was the Pretel Bites movie. Sure, totally. He's in a Neil Burger movie called Voyeur. agers in 2021 that I've not heard very much about it all, but apparently Ty Sheridan and Lily

Rose Depp and Finn Whitehead are all in this movie. What is this movie? Lost to the morass of COVID. Yeah, but like, that's weird. I don't know. It's a spring 2021 movie, and it completely bypassed me. He's also in After Yang, which is so good. And he's in the Batman, which I still believe he's totally, that's a to what end movie. That is a complete to what end where like, I get where people think he's a very entertaining penguin. I don't think the juice is worth the squeeze in that one. I do feel like, thank God for his presence in that movie, because like, it's fully, it's fully like Colin Farrell in like unrecognizable makeup, just giving like

full stereotype of, I'm walking here. Like, what are you doing, big guys? He does do that. For me, that is Robert Pattinson's jawline is that for me, where it's like saving grace, that like that, at the very least, I can just sort of like,

look at Robert Pattinson's jawline from underneath that cowl and like, all right, that's fine. I would feel like for the Robert Pattinsonness of that movie, it would be like his brooding bangs. Because like that's very like 90s Leo DiCaprio bang. Sure,

but a lot of times he's got. We're fully doing dangling in front of our faces. Also, the Michael Giacchino score that borrows so heavily from Nirvana is really, really good. I really like it a lot. After the Batman, he's in 13 Lives. The best Ron Howard movie in a decade that, like, nobody saw. Also, the best Ron Howard movie in a decade is a very low bar, so, like, don't get too excited. But still, it's a good movie.

You're talking about, like, C-minus material. Right. No, 13 Lives is a C-plus movie, maybe even a B-minus movie. Like, it's not bad. It's solid. And then Banshees of In a Sharon, which he finally gets Oscar nominated. And there we go. In that stretch, he was also in a whole-ass season of True Detective, which was, like, the bad one.

The season everybody hated, but everybody really liked him. He was, again, he's never the bad part of a thing that's bad. One of the darkest things that I thought recently was, I should actually watch that, maybe? Because it's all, it's like a lot of people that I really like. You know, he's also in... I just got a morbid curiosity recently. He's also in a BBC miniseries in 2021 called The Northwater that was directed by Andrew Hay and starred him and Jack O'Connell.

I don't think it's available stateside or something? Probably not. I did come across that recently and I was like, what the hell is this? Exactly. And I don't, I couldn't find it. It's about a whaling expedition in the 18. Hell yeah, Master and Commander with, you know, some hot guys. With Jack O'Connell and Colin Farrell? Yes, I will watch that.

Yeah, man. Maybe we were talking about this in our last episode, the Moby-Tick episode. UK listeners, if you've forgiven us for all the various times, I've misidentified British people as Irish, or Irish people as British is most likely. Get at us with, if you've seen the Northwater, because it sounds interesting. Andrew Hay. It sounds like something I would watch even if it wasn't interesting.

Yeah. Yeah. All right. Back to killing of a sacred deer. What else? We've been talking for a lot. Its biggest traction on the awards front is two nominations at Indy Spirits. It's nominated for cinematography.

It loses to call me by your name. And it's nominated for Barry Keogh. Losing to Sam Rockwell Forum, Three Bill. This was a very connected to the Oscars indie spirit. Awards. Obviously, shape of water was not eligible, nor was Gary Oldman for darkest hour, but like everything else was Oscar nominated that won. Francis McDormand, Sam Rockwell, Alison Janney. Get Out wins best feature, and Jordan Peel wins best director, and those are good things. And Greta Gerwig wins screenplay for Lady Bird. So it's like,

it's not bad. They're not bad things. But like, It would have been neat if Barry Keogan had won supporting male. He was never going to. But, like, that's another one. Benny Softie was nominated for good time. That, to me... I think that...

I'm not going to be, like, soapboxy, but I do feel like there's something offensive to me about that performance. I don't think that that nomination is great. I don't understand... Whatever. I sound like an asshole when I talk about him. I understand it.

I get it. But, like, I don't understand everybody's need to elevate this guy so far beyond his talent level as an actor. I thought he was pretty good in Margaret, and are you there, God, it's me, Margaret. Everybody's going way overboard about him in Oppenheimer. He's terrible in Oppenheimer. I don't even need to say he's terrible. It's just like he's not one of the five best performances that I'm seeing some people say. It's not in one of the ten best performances in Oppenheimer.

Like, why are we propping up Benny Softie? Like, I don't understand it. My original non-best-in show the first time I, I just saw it in 70 millimeter IMAX. I don't feel like I should brag because I cross date lines to go and see it. No, I would brag, do it. Big nerd. Wasn't my idea. I went with a friend.

originally my MVP from Oppenheimer That's not Killian Murphy Killing Murphy is just so incredible Transcend it, yep Was Makin Blair And then you love the second watch I was like, Megan Blair actually isn't in that much He's really not

But I do think he is giving such a good energy That's not present anywhere else I mean, I think it's Matt Damon I love Matt Damon Matt Damon in his movie. I kind of struggled with Matt Damon, which isn't to say that I think he's bad, but, and maybe I need to see it again to really lock into him being the funny one, because, like, there were absolutely scenes in that

movie, especially the one that's in the trailer, where it's like, how about because this is the most important thing that ever happen in the history of the world, where he sounds exactly like his character in that 30 Rock episode, where they're on the airplane, and he and Liz Lemon are arguing. You know better, Carol, you built that bookshelf incorrectly. I did not. I wanted the books to slide off. Also, the context of that line in the trailer and in the movie are so completely different, because in the trailer, it's like, okay, Matt Damon.

But then in the movie, it's funny. It fits more. You're right. You're right. I do wish Matt Damon was being talked about. I was getting, like, the type of credit that Robert Downey Jr. is getting, because I do think Matt Damon's better in that movie. I know that people don't like Matt Damon, and, like, I am equally annoyed by Matt Damon, but he is, you know, I think part of it. it is that it's so nice that Downey Jr. is acting again. But it's also, I think Downey Jr. is

really good in that movie. My favorite supporting performances are, and this is maybe me being me, and you can, like, scoff at me and whatever. I think Alden Aaron Rick rules. I think Dane Dahan is perfectly cast. I did really more gloss onto Alden Aaron Rike on the second watch. So good. I think Downey Jr. is fantastic. I love, obviously, David Crumholz is so, so good. I mean, those are the ones that really, like, jump out to me. And, obviously, Emily Blunt in the one scene, in the scene where she's giving her testimony to Jason Clark.

Jason Clark also actually rules. He's just playing, like, most of it's such an underrated actor. What a good actor. He's really good. But, like, Emily Blunt in the scene where she's facing off with him. It's a good scene. I just think a lot of that performance is affectation. I don't disagree, but I think it comes together.

I will give a performance a lot of leeway if it comes together in the end and the way that it does for this. I think she's so good in the last hour of that movie. So is Making Blair. Okay. Anyway, killing of a Sacred Deer. Great movie. Wait, let me go through my notes because I know I have other things. Yeah, yeah.

There has to be some completely warped things that they say in this movie that we haven't gotten to. Why are they watching Groundhog Day? What's your theory? What does that say? What is your ghost trying to tell us? I mean, probably because they could afford the rights to it. Well, it's also the scene, though, where she's telling him, it's the one where he's trying to tell her, I am a god. That's why.

That's why. Because he's telling her that I am a god, and she's like, you're not a god. You know, like, this movie is so much, like, especially American domesticity, and it's like, what do you do after you've just had dinner, mom, dad, and son, you watch a 90s comedy? You watch a 90s comedy, yeah. It's not just that Nicole Kidman is watering the bushes at night, but she's also smoking. She's watering the dishes, watering the bushes, watering the dishes too, watering the bushes with one hand and smoking with the other hand. It's perfect. I did write down, can I have your MP3 player when you're dead? Dad, please, please. Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-a-da. Dad, he's your best friend. Oh, did you know that in real life, Jorgos Lantamos is a former professional basketball player?

He's, like, super tall. And that his father was, like, on the Greek Olympic basketball team? Sure. That's amazing. That's amazing. Yorgos Lantamos, when you, like, see him in interviews, is so much more normal than you would expect him to be. Like, he's not this, like, weird rumple-stiltskin Verhoven type character that, you know what I mean? We're like, not that Verhoven seems like...

Very handsome man. But, like, Verhoven, you listen to him, and you're like, oh, you're a maniac. You're like, you're so fun. Yeah, Verhoven is just like... But you're out of your fucking mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. I don't Maybe I've just never

watched interviews with him Even though I'm obsessed with his work But like he's just kind of chill I don't really have an observation about his behavior I just feel like you could You could carry on a conversation Sometimes with film directors It feels like if I ever was across a table from you

You would like Burn me down with your laser beam eyes or something You know what I mean Or like Or you would just be like the weirdest person And like Yorgos Lantamos somewhat, not somewhat, like quite unexpectedly, seems like somebody you could just sort of

talk about movies with, and it would be like, fine, or like talk about people with, and he wouldn't like really creep you out about his views about people. Like, you know what I mean? He's, uh, he's clearly not a softie, like that's, uh, I love that single tear rolling down his cheek when Olivia Coleman got her Oscar.

That's the thing. Watch Olivia Coleman win an Oscar and look at his face. He looks, like, no one's going to top Emma Stone's face for like joy on behalf of somebody you know. Like Emma Stone is about ready to shatter into a million pieces. She's so happy for Olivia Coleman. She's about to burst into a million stars.

But your ghost is so happy for her. It's so lovely. All right. All right. All right. Poor things. Poor things. I'm so excited. Very excited for this movie. I'm so excited. Apparently

Ruffalo is really good in it too. So that is a thing that I have heard. I'm willing to believe it. That trailer looks so much not what I was expecting out of this movie and out of Yorgos. Like it's so like it's there's there's a little bit of Terry Gilliam in it there's a little bit of Bram Stoker's Dracula in it a little bit. Like all of it is very very fascinating and interesting to me.

So I'm excited. I'm so excited. Probably won't see it till December, but... Coming this Christmas. Fun for the whole family. Totally. All right. Do you have any closing thoughts before we... Killing of Sacred Deer, good movie.

Good movie. Very good movie. Yeah, I love it. Iconic Cincinnati cinema. Yeah. Good for you, Ohio. All right. Joe, explain what the IMDB game is for our listeners.

Well, everybody. week, we enter episodes with the IMDB game. And what we do there is we challenge each other with an actor or actress and try and guess the top four titles that IMDB says they are most known for. If any of those titles are television, voice-only performances, or non-acting credits. We mentioned that up front. After two wrong guesses, we will get the remaining titles release years as a clue. And if that is not enough, it becomes a free-for-all of hints. That's the IMDB game. Would you like to give or guess first? I'll guess first.

Okay, so I went into the very surprisingly vast Jorgas Lanthimos actor filmography. Lots of actors in his movies. He's lured in a lot of people. But for poor things, you just mentioned he's supposed to be very good in it, and I chose for you, Mark Ruffalo. Oh, okay. Mark Ruffalo.

Which apparently we've never really done. Maybe because we've done so many Ruffalo. movies? I don't know. Well, what this tells me is, my assumption that we would never have done Ruffalo is because his filmography would have been all Avengers movies, which tells me that it's not all Avengers movies anymore. Not necessarily. Well, remember how in the beginning of the podcast we used to say if there was Marvel or Harry

Potter, we wouldn't do it. And we stopped doing it because they stopped showing up. They filter out a little bit. I'm not saying that it's not there. My guess is that there's one Mac. one at most I'm well I'll wait to guess that

you have to guess what the movie is for me to right oh I know I'll wait I'll wait to guess which one specific is it's one of two I'm going to guess Fox Catcher Fox Catcher Oscar nominated performance Fox Catcher All right

Um He's also nominated for Spotlight, which won best picture, so I'll also say Spotlight. Oscar-nominated performance, Spotlight. He's second build, and you can count on me, but he's also not Oscar-nominated, and that's also a long time ago by this point. So I don't know if I'm going to do that. What are other?

13 going on 30 is an option. he's almost certainly second build in that, and that's a very popular movie. Yeah, 13 Gargan 30. Incorrect. Damn. Well, I'm just going to say his other nominated role, and we'll move on from there. Kids Are All Right. All three of his Oscar nominations are he's known for the kids are all right.

Okay, so one more to go. It's probably one of his Avengers movies. it's either going to be the first one or end game. He's definite, well, no, he's in a lot of end game. He's Svelte, Svelte Hulk. I'm going to guess the first Avengers movie. Correct, the Avengers. All three of his Oscar nominations and the Avengers.

I don't know if I would have guessed Foxcatcher, but that, That makes sense. I feel like Foxcatcher has shown up for other people, if I'm not mistaken, which is why I went for that one first. All right. That's cool. Okay. For you, I picked somebody who is in Yorgos Lanthamos, the favorite, who I think is quite good in that movie, actually. For literally anyone in the movie?

I was going to say, that movie's packed with great performances, and he's probably, like, my fourth favorite performance. but still he's so good. Nicholas Holt. Nicholas Holt should have been nominated for that movie. Yeah. About a boy. Yes. That one I thought you would have some trouble with

because he's such a little, such a wee boy. Baby Spock himself, Nicholas Holt and About a Boy. I don't know if the favorite's going to be there or not. Nicholas Holt has also had a good, weird set of movies. He also has X-Men first class, which shows up for all. lot of people, I'm going to say X-Men First Class. Not X-Men First Class. Dang. Okay. Maybe that movie's time has passed.

The favorite. No, not the favorite. So that's two strikes. So your years are pretty easy. 2013, 2014, 2014, 2015. Oh. 2013. So those are in quick succession. None of them are X-Men movies. I'm guessing, if it's not first class.

did he even come back for those damn things oh so some of the so there are going to be uh days of future past is that what that's called x-men days of future past is one of them that's your that's your 2014 um what's the it's not red dragon he came back for all of them he was in all of those by the way oh okay so well no the x-men movies weren't that quickly back to back they were not um I just wanted to save it He was in all of this Maybe that's why he doesn't have the career he deserves

It's possible He was stuck making those shitty movies It's not like What's the Oscar Isaac one? The Apocalypse Age of X-Men Apocalypse, yes That's correct?

No, no No, no, no other X-Men movies. No other X-Men movies. Your assumption was right. So what else is he doing around this time? Isn't there some movie called, like, Kill the Something that he's in? Oh, he is. Oh, a single man. No, not a single man. That's 2009?

Yeah. Yeah, I got that. after I came out of my mouth. I was like two... Kill your friends, which is... Hold on, I lost it. I had it, and then I lost it. Got it. That's not one of them, I'm just saying.

What Nicholas Holt movies am I forgetting? It's got to be stuff that... Like, he's not in Jumper, but he was in movies that, like, that were like Jumper. Oh, he's like the lead in Kill Your Friends, right, right, right, right. Right. Um, I guess I'm thinking of things that he would be the lead in. And I guess we're not... I will say he's the lead in one of them, and he's not the lead in the other one.

Right. I'm going to need some hints. Okay, hints. Look to the Oscar nominees for one of them. For the other one, it's a genre movie that, like, Got, like, people definitely saw it and talked about it, but it's, like, it probably has slipped your memory, if you've ever seen it at all. What was the, what year was Days of Future Past? 14.

So, I'm looking at 2013 and 2015. Yes. Okay. Which year is the Oscar one? 2015. 2015. So, that is, he's not in spotlight. Right.

He's not in... Oh, Duh, Mad Max Fury Road. That's God. Which he also should have been Oscar nominated for. He's so good in that. He's so good. God, Nicholas Holt is such a good actor. Interesting that the Great is not on there.

But then again, I don't think a lot of people watch the Great, but the people that watch the Great love the Great, so... Yes. 2013, he is a lead. Did you know, because of the Great, he had to drop out of the most recent Mission Impossible movie? Upgrade. Which, well, but which I read that it's, it was the, did you see Mission Impossible? So wait, he dropped out of Dead Reckoning?

He dropped out, he had to drop out of Dead Reckoning to film the last season. Who replaced him? Shea Wiggum? No, apparently what I read was Issaim Morales, which makes no sense given the background that that character has with Tom Cruise's character. I mean, I would love to know if I just read incorrect information or, or they like, re-requent, conceptualized that character or what? So he's the lead in a 2013 movie. This would have been

after he was cast as Beast but before Mad Max Fury Road. It's a specific type of genre movie that if I tell you the specific part you'll probably get it right away so I want to see if I can make you guess. Teresa Palmer is in it. So it's a

horror movie? Yeah. Well, yeah. horror and another genre and a couple other genres it's like a horror comedy what kind of a comedy vampire comedy no what kinds of comedies are there

funny ones no but like what's like a type of comedy like a spoof there are gross out comedies and there are spoofs and there are bro comedies there's sure what's a what's the opposite of a bro comedy a chick comedy yeah what are those called girl comedies rom comedies yes rom comedies the great genre the rom comedy romantic comedy it's a genre what romcom is he in that he would be a lead in well it's not just romcom what did we establish was the genre a horror oh this is warm bodies it's

Warm bodies. There you go. Totally forgot about warm bodies. That's what I figured. Yes. It's fine. He's good in it. He's, you know, it's, I wanted that to be more of, I wanted it to be funnier and scarier and more romantic than it was. Teresa Palmer, what a moment. I like, I still like Teresa Palmer. I've always, I've liked her in every single thing I've ever seen her in. And it never quite jumped off for her, which is too bad. All right. We did it. The killing of a sacred deer. That's our episode. If you want more This Had Oscar Buzz, you can check out the Tumblr at ThisHadoscorbuzz. Tumblr.com. Follow us on Twitter at HadHad underscore Buzz on Instagram at This Had Oscar Buzz.

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