This Had Oscar Buzz - 264 – Everest (with Katey Rich!)

Episode Date: November 20, 2023

Following Thanksgiving tradition, Katey Rich returns to This Had Oscar Buzz to discussant film with indistinguishable white male actors, and this year we have chosen 2015’s Everest. Directed by Baltasar Kormákur and featuring a massive cast led by Jason Clarke, Josh Brolin, and Jake Gyllenhaal, the film follows the true story of a disastrous trip … Continue reading "264 – Everest (with Katey Rich!)"

Oh, oh, wrong house. No, the right house. We want to talk to Marilyn Hack, Merlin Hack and French. I'm from Canada water. Dick Pooh How you doing? I'm back. Doug Hanson. What do you do when you're not climbing, Doug?

I deliver the mail. First mailman on Everest? Hope so. I like that. Sit down, man. Climatized. How's the weather? It's good.

I wish I was with you. Andy, you, me and that little Sarah, we'll all go climbing together. So today's the day, huh? Hello and welcome to the This Had Oscar Buzz podcast, the only podcast turning up its nose at California Wine. Every week on This Had Oscar Buzz, we'll be talking about a different movie that once upon a time had lofty Academy Award aspirations, but for some reason or another, it all went wrong. The Oscar hopes died, and we are here to perform the autopsy. I'm your host, Joe Reed. I'm here, as always, with my supplementary oxygen, Chris File.

Hello, Chris. It feels absolutely wrong and rude that we are, you know, recording this episode in the warmth of our homes and not in the tundra. Freezing atop a mountain where there are probably still bodies. It could be audio quality up there is probably terrible, though. Yeah, what an awful podcast studio. You wouldn't be able to hear anything. You'd get so many listener complaints being like, I hear wind whipping into the microphone. I don't know what's going on there.

Yeah, you just hear like, or my microphone. Michael Bavarro. Oh, my God. Michael Babarro, stay off of Everest. Nobody belongs on Everest. This is where I've come around with from Everest. Nobody belongs up there. Absolutely not.

Are you the intrepid mountain climber of us, Chris? You do have the stairs, no, no, no, absolutely not. You know I don't see things outside. Okay, we'll just get into my first and first. First impressions. First primary problem. Even before we invite Katie on to the, we'll get first impressions. Listener to understand.

This movie does not make any case, I feel, for why someone would want to do this. Fundamentally, I feel like we in the audience should understand why a human being would want to go and do this. And this movie never answers that question. Do you think that, like, Free Solo answers that question in a different way? I think Free Solo does for as much as I have, I, I watch Free Solo, and I'm like, this guy. But I'm like, but I at least watch that movie and I'm like, these kind of guys exist. And, like, I kind of understand. Free Solo is like, what if there was a weird guy?

Mm-hmm. With giant hands. My thing about Free Solo is the only thing I can think of now is after Free Solo is doing the press rounds and campaigning for. Oscar. And so that guy was everywhere doing like variety videos and probably a Vanity Fair video and a bunch of different stuff. And he's like commenting on like rock climbing scenes and other movies or whatever. And any time he would like be animated or whatever and you could see his hands, his hands are like twice as big as a normal hand. They're like giant freak hands, which makes sense. Like that's the only kinds of people who can probably be good

at the secret to his success. Free climbing of a rock because you've got to like really, really like be able to grab on but it's just like all I could do as I'm watching him talk is I'm just staring at his hands like a weird out like God forbid I ever met him in person I would be it would be very much like my eyes are up here sir because it would be just be like staring at his hands like he seems like such a weird dude he wouldn't even notice I feel like you may be the weird one in that scenario yeah maybe yeah like the the actors that they cast are the most like basic white male actors and then Jake Gyllenhaal has long hair like maybe if they cast Jake Gyllenhauls, the Michael Valtagio of this.

He's like, rock and roll, like, I'm a bad boy. Da-da-na-na-na-na. Yeah. We should introduce Katie. We should introduce. So back for her, is it fifth movie? Is this your fifth movie? I have no.

Honestly. Let's count them up. You were here for the Money Monster. These are not in order. You are here for about time. Law City of Z, which is how we got here. La City of Zed. But what was your first one?

Pan. Pan. I feel like the first wasn't even your first. The tourist. So this is your sixth movie. The theme of

Katie Rich this had Oscar Buzz episodes are Expedition. Yeah. Yeah, let's tie them all together. No, it's meant.

It's generic white men. Like it's those cursed games keep getting it down this road over and over. That's really narrowed you down and like sort of boxed you in a little bit. But also like they're very dear to my heart. Like the,

Garrett Headlands and Charlie Hunt as the same Warringtons of the world, like, barely matter to me. I mean, you remember how Lossities Ed led to this, right? I went back and listened to the episode. Oh, no, please let me know because I forget everything. So, please. We were talking, the game was Sienna Miller or anyone else.

Right. And we started talking about Sam Worthington. Sure. And how you couldn't play the Sam Worthington or anyone else, because no one could remember anything. Oh, no, it was whether she was in Everest. Okay, right, right. Karen Knightley, who will get to.

And I defended Everest. I said, not bad movie. And then it was just determined that we would do Everest. So here we are. I mean, Everest is perfect for that strain of Katie Rich movie, which is throw as many sort of character actors of like all the same age, all like with the same kind of beard essentially. Just like throw them in the same movie and let them bounce off each other for a while. And that's kind of what Everest is. And we'll have a lot of time to talk about this.

But I feel like I've been in Jason Clark. for a really long time. I also think that that makes spiritual sense. That makes a lot of spiritual sense to me. The weirdest thing to me watching this, and I might have missed someone, is that he is the only Oppenheimer cast member in Everest, because you feel like it's a one-to-one match in terms of the cast. Isn't that weird?

That's absolutely incredible, if that's true. It feels like there should be more. Michael Kelly has no business not being an Oppenheimer. Like, what the fuck? It has to be in Oppenheimer. Well, no, because Michael Kelly, this is the era when Michael Kelly got to do small parts in movies because of House of Cards and House of Cards. Because of Hards.

To TV. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's true. I wonder what he's up to. I wonder what he's up to. We'll go get there. And the inverse is true. Like, so many people in Oppenheimer should have been in this movie. Matt Damon. Matt Damon. Who was your favorite, your favorite from Oppenheimer, Chris? Macon Blair. Make and Blair. Incredible Macon Blair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Although he like, he has the vibe of someone who's sensible enough not to do this. David Crumholt should have been like somebody's, like, agent back home or something like that.

You know, I would love this movie. He should have been Crackauer's book agent on the phone. He was over there hanging out with Peach Weather's. Yeah, he was the editor at whatever magazine Crackauer was writing this for. Okay, you bring up Crackauer. How, well, we should at the beginning. Weird is it that Michael Kelly plays John Crackhauer and this movie has nothing to do with Crackauer's Everest book? Well, that's, so that's, yes, we should talk about that in like, at the beginning.

because that sort of gets into the inception of this book. So the movie is based on this, like, you know, obviously incredibly infamous disaster on Everest that happened in 1996. Six. Yeah. And Crack Hour is there covering it for, I believe, a magazine, and I can't remember what magazine. Thank you, Katie.

See? See? This is a perfect tree. A magazine all about the things you can do outside. And so when it goes so wrong, he ends up writing the book into thin air, which is, if not his first big breakthrough, like it was his biggest breakthrough today. Like it was a huge success for him. And it's sort of like I feel like every time you see him mentioned, like that's the book that's in parentheses after his name is into thin air, even though the first one that I had read from him was under the banner of heaven, which I think is also a tremendous and terrifying book. has also now become adapted to the screen

and it's something that everyone will forget immediately. I am the one defender. I'm the big under the banner of having TV miniseries defender. I thought that was really true. My sister was just defending it to me today. I thought it was incredibly well done. I really liked it a lot. I love Andrew Garfield, but I cannot do it either.

Speaking of Sam Worthington. Terrifying in that. It is just wild to me that Crack Hour is not credited in any way or like this is not mentioned as an ad- Because they tried to make a movie out of that And it ended up being this like TV movie With Peter Horton from 30-something And then Baltazar, not Crackauer

But Cormacore Made the movie And like they were like very adamant They were like this is not based on Crackauer's book Like this is based on you know Other sources and whatever But I think very They still have the rights like

That's plain and simple Right yes but because he was an actual person who was actually there, like they couldn't prevent them from, like, you know, naming him in it or, you know, whatever. Yeah, he's like a... I don't remember there being, like, actual, like, you know, conflict in the adaptation process. It was just like, no, it's not based on this book. It's based on...

Yeah, I guess by the time it came out, everyone's like, let's just not fight about this. Although I definitely, like, read into thin air to prepare for... I was doing interviews for this movie, which we can get into. Yeah, I had never read it. Not for this podcast, too. Oh, okay. At the time, I was doing a story about this movie, which we can get into. Yes.

And so I read it into thin air to kind of know what I was talking about. Yeah. Good book? I'd never read it, but now I want to. Certainly after, I had seen Everest before, but after seeing it the second time, I think, I don't remember how much I liked it the first time. I, just, first impression, like, I really liked, not really. I walked away from this being, like, I was really compelled by this, by the end there. The beginning of the movie, I'm just sort of like, I can't tell. anybody apart. They're all, they all have like, you know, winter face coverings and they all have

the same beard. They try to take off their goggles as much as they can. There's snow and their beard all the time. I can't really, you know, tell all these like very sort of similar looking people apart except for Jake Gyllenhaal. And then by the end, I'm just kind of like riveted by what's going on. And I imagine that must have been the case. Plus also the fact that I was seeing it on a big screen when I saw it on a big screen, which must have, you know, terrified me all the more. So I ended up really liking Everett. Did you see it in IMAX 3D? I saw it at the at the AMC Lincoln Square, but I don't think I saw it on the IMAX screen. That is the one IMAX screen. It is the one real I'm X screen in New York City, but that was the one where I was, I was at something

at Lincoln Center. I was like meeting somebody at Lincoln Center or something. Or maybe it was around the New York Film Festival, actually. And I just remember being like in the area and I had some time and I looked up Showtimes and they're like, oh, Everest is starting. I should go see Everest. And that was why I saw Everest that day. I saw it at the Bryant Park screening room, which is where Joe and I saw Saltburn together a couple weeks ago. Not really an IMAX 3D vibe in that room. No. So I didn't get the full experience, I guess. No. What did we hear? we were seeing salt burn and there was like

some kind of like oh you know what it was it was I think I think in my head what I had made that sound was was the popcorn machine popping the popcorn you know because they put the popcorn and I was like I couldn't for the life of me understand what this like pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop

pop sound was and I'm like is this like Surface Street like Or is a speaker dying Yeah right I also I saw the saltburn trailer again the red band saltburn trailer before killers of the red band trailer i don't think i don't think there's a non i don't think there's a non red band trailer i think i've seen a trailer in a theater and it was definitely not red band oh okay well then they

there's a red band trailer um and watching it just say fuck once or is it like i think i think so because it's like they don't show any of the nudity um but even having katie we saw that movie together and i remember being like oh that was fun but i have like x y and z problems with And watching the trailer, I'm like, I can't wait to see this again. So, like, there's something. You can see it now as this episode drops. It opens the week of Thanksgiving. I might shoot my shot and say I'm going to call that for this had Oscar about this episode in 2028 or whatever.

Yeah, I do not see that as an Oscar nominee. Sorry, Rosamond Pike, you are awesome. That would be a fun one to talk about. It will be a very fun. Four years. Yes, for sure. We love talking about Barry. Oh, yeah.

Oh, we'll have plenty of a day. He also could be in Everest. Yeah. Yeah. Also should be in Everest. How, so he would have been like, he would have been a young in here. He and Mia Gough could have been, uh, Me, Roland's kids.

Oh my God. I, I text our group chat in all caps, Mia Gaw? Because at that point, you're already just like, oh my God. Oh, my God. Every time someone new shows up. It's like, this person is in it. I fully missed Vanessa Kirby. I will have, I will admit that.

I was going to bring that up. I pulled it up on Wikipedia and was like, excuse me? Vanessa Kirby as Malibu. Boob Barbie on Everest. The wig that they give her with the, like, silk ribbon in her hair. She has a headband. So she's the one in Jalenhall's expedition who's, like, on the phone the whole time? Exactly.

She's on the phone the whole time. She has to get risk. She has to get, like, pulled down the mountain. There's a whole, there's a vanity fair story from, like, 1997 about that. There's always a vanity fair story from the 90s about stuff like this. I know. I love that. Yeah, for that, she's an interesting figure.

But I absolutely missed it. Wasn't it the thing where we were trying to figure out what people were talking about when they said the gay mafia? Yes. And then we looked it up and it was like there was a Vanity Fair story from the 90s that explained it. Michael Ovitz had said that the game, it was a joke in the Oscars. That's right. We were doing our Oscars episode on Little Bold Men. And we were like, where did the idea that like there's a gay mafia come from?

And it was Michael Ovitz. He said in a magazine to a reporter, no. he was on the record that the gay mafia had run him out of Hollywood and like, people just said things like that back then. And he meant like David Geffen and his friends or whatever but like, that's

so funny. Michael Ovex might have been better off if the gay mafia had run him out of Hollywood because like what's her face is going to take him down the great Julia Ormond, right? Isn't he part of that whole the CAA thing, the complaint that she's

this is where I'm going to be forced to admit that, like, I have, like, CAA blinkers where I see the C-ZA, and I'm like, all right, which one is a manual? I know CAA. I don't remember. I know CAA is Mike Ovitz's, at least was initially Mike Ovitz's agency, because I watched the late shift so many times, the TV movie about the Letterman and Leno thing. And I watched that a ton because it used to be on Comedy Central all the time. And so I remember very specifically, Treat Williams played Michael Ovitz, and he had just started CAA. and he was very heavily courting David Letterman.

See, I have learned so much more about Hollywood back then if I'd been watching better late-night TV. All right, so, Chris, why don't you pitch this head Oscar buzz turbulent brilliance to our fantastic listeners if they're not already a subscriber? Maybe Katie can, Katie's going to be a guest soon. Yeah, what's the timeline? At this point, Katie's already been a guest.

At this point, Katie's already been a guest. Wow. He's a better first guest for. over on the Patreon than Katie. I've been demanding it since the minute it exists. I think before it existed. Listeners, we have a Patreon. Go follow us at This Had Oscar Buzz Turbulent Brilliance.

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your connection to that. Maybe we should go into that before we jump into the plot. So you covered this in your capacity at Cinema Blend? No. So I was at Vanity Fair by that. You were already at Vanity Fair. Oh, okay. And this was back in early days of 2015. And at that point, if you worked for the website, like you sort of existed at Vanity Fair and sort of didn't. So any time that the people in the magazine would pay attention to us, for me specifically, I was like, oh, yeah. Oh, okay, sure. And at this point, they had all these photos that Greg Williams had, Greg Williams, a pretty famous photographer. He goes to Venice every year and hangs out with celebrities.

He has, you know, photo books, everything else. He had taken photos on the set of Everest. And they were going to run it as a spotlight in the October issue or whenever it was. And I think by the time they were looking for me, it was already like, it might just be a web only thing. But I didn't really know that. So I was like, I might get a print assignment. Let's see how this goes.

And I think I wrote up like a very, like, short print style write up for it. You can still find it. If you Google my name in Everest, I think you find it. I mean, there are very interesting photos from the set of Josh Boland and Jason Clark and Jake and everybody. And so I interviewed, let's see, I'm looking through it. I interviewed Josh Brolin, interviewed Jason Clark. I guess I talked to Baltistar Comacore, you know, for like a 400-word write-up that now exists. So from the set, because we know that they did some of this stuff, obviously, close to location.

And then they did the rest of their filming in London, I believe, right? Yeah, I mean, I'm looking at these photos are like of some like very, very large sound stages where they've like built, you know, like a steep mountain. They were in Nepal and the Alps in Italy and then Pinewood Studios in London. In London. In London. In London. Yeah. Not too bad, I will say.

Like the location stuff, I who am not like great at this stuff admittedly, but like I don't think I could tell you which what, which stuff was. Besides, obviously, like, the wide shots and whatever, like, which stuff was... The three of us who have done multiple... Yeah, very familiar. Multiple climes of Everest. We know what it looks like. Well, it's one of the same... We can say that it looks authentic.

If it was filmed on the moon, you know it wasn't really the moon, but, like, the camera can swoop around and being like, ooh, which part's real and which part's fake. I feel like it does capture that. Like, I don't really know what this looks like, but I... You know, the camera starts behind Jason Clark and swoops around and you see the storm that's coming in front of him, and you're like, oh, shit. I don't know how they did that, but it fooled me. One of the things that I found out in my research for this episode is a lot of the spots on the mountain that they were at don't exist in the way that they did anymore because of an earthquake that happened in, I think around the time that the movie came out, like around 2015 or whatever.

And so, like, that whole, like, Hillary step that they keep talking about doesn't exist anymore because of an earthquake in Nepal. And there have also been, like, um, avalanches and stuff like that. So, like, the actual terrain that this event happened on, like, doesn't exist in that way anymore. So, Earth, maybe one of the things that, like, oh, am I going to a place where, like, it's so volatile that, like, this thing might not actually exist anymore in a little while? That the Earth will tell me get out. Yeah. The Earth is sometimes when they're like, hey, so the environment can't support human life above this elevation.

It's basically what Elizabeth DeBickey says at the beginning of this movie. And she's just like, so you're going to be going north of where you won't have the oxygen to live and just be aware of that. Your body will slowly start to die. I think that's what Jason Clark says. Like, you get up here and you're literally dying. Your body is in the process of dying while you're here. Yeah. And they're like, yep, great.

I've paid a ton of money to do this. I'm in. Well, after we get to the plot description, I want to talk about like the kinds of characters who are, in this, and the actors who they've gotten to play these characters, because they do think it's a pretty well-cast movie for that. And also the people who are... I think it's a well-cast movie for characters that are not very defined. I think the casting goes a long way to helping to define these characters, too, in a certain way, which is nice. And I think also we can talk about the ones who are either at base camp, I think Emily Watson is so good in this movie, like, genuinely.

I feel like we get too few opportunities to really see her kind of after breaking the waves I think that was like that was she's never really gotten a role that even approaches that kind of thing and I haven't seen Hillary and Jackie how dare you well Hillary and Jackie too but I've never seen Chernobyl and I know she's supposed to be quite good Oh God yeah she's great in Chernobyl yeah but I think she's really good in Chernobyl yeah but I think she's really good in this.

Post-COVID though I'm not sure I would tell you to watch Chernobyl like it's so Graham about Chernobyl's one of those things that people watched in quarantine. I know. That and Contagion. Where are the two things that I'm like, why is this your quarantine viewing?

I watched it in 2019 or like right before it would have felt far more relevant. I got into watching YouTube videos of marble races. Like, and other people are like, I'm going to watch Contagent in Chernobyl. It's like, Jesus Christ. All right, Katie, I'm going to read the specifics about Everest and then we're going to

get a 60 second plot description from you. So get ready. We are talking about the 2015 film Everest, directed by Baltazar Cormacore, Cormacor, according to the accent mark over the A, written by William Nicholson and Simon Beaufort, starring Jason Clark, Jake Gyllenhaal, Josh Brolin, John Hawks, Martin Henderson, Elizabeth Debicki, Emily Watson, Michael Kelly, Sam Worthington, Robin Wright, Robin Wright's accent, and Kira Knightley. And we will, this premiered, world premiered at the Venice Film Festival, in fact, September 2nd, 2015. Opened the Venice Film Festival. Sure did. Then opened in limited release on September 18th, 2015 in IMAX theaters, and then went wide the week after that. September 25th, 2015, Katie, I'm going to grab my stopwatch.

Are you prepared? Who can ever possibly be prepared? No, I'm not prepared for climbing Everest nor for this, but I'll do that. All right. Well, if you want to begin, we can start now. Okay, so it's May 1996. You've got a bunch of rich people who want to climb Everest, but you mostly need to know about two groups.

There's Mountain Madness led by Scott Fisher. He's Jake Gyllenall. He's shirtless and a wild man. And then you've got adventure consultants. That's Rob Hall, the Jason Clark. He's a nice New Zealand guy with a pregnant wife at home, played by Karen Knightley. Wife on phone. Just remember that.

They're trying to go climb Everest. There's all these different logistical challenges. Rob's group is the main one we know. There's a Texan who's brash. is Josh Boland. There's a mailman who is nice and it's John Hawks. John Crackauer is in there and they're all trying to get up to Everest. On the day that they're actually climbing, it gets crowded.

There's all these various complications. Some people have to give up. They didn't have enough oxygen. Some people go crazy and take off other clothes. And then a storm starts to show up. And Rob finds himself stuck at the top of the mountain with the John Hawks guy. He's trying to get down. Jake Gyllenhaal, Scott Fisher keeps going up and down, trying to help people.

Everyone is in a big, fucking huge mess. 10 seconds. The next morning, a bunch of them have died on the mountain. Beckwether's the Texan somehow survives with the worst frostbite you've ever seen in your life and then John Graghauer goes and writes a book about it, but we don't see that part because they didn't have the rights. Two seconds over, Katie Rich,

excellent job. Well done. I skipped a lot of stuff I thought I was going to get into. You know what? You're totally fine. I mean, basically all of these characters who are real people, so not to be glib about it, but basically this is a movie where almost everyone dies. I

had seen this movie before and so I'm watching it again, and I remembered that a lot of the people died. I also remembered, I knew that Brolin's character survived. I'd remember that part. And so I'm looking at the Wikipedia page. And you know the thing where you can hover over a hyperlink and it'll give you like the top note like paragraph or whatever. And so I'm going through the character's names and all the top notes are like, such and such was a, such and such was a. And I'm like, oh God. And it is almost all of the main characters who go up the mountain do not come back down the mountain um it really is crack hour and uh and josh brolin's

characters are like the only two main ones uh everybody else free and josh brolin comes back and he loses a nose in both of his hands from both of his hands yeah oh my god i want to talk about jillen hall gets the and credit you expect him to die much sooner than he does because of you do well he's not in that i mean maybe he is like he's just so not the like focus of the story especially by the time the action really starts. And it's interesting because from what I read about the crack hour book that he sort of talks about, like not lays the blame at, but like definitely, you know, brings up the rivalry between these two companies as a thing that helped contribute to the deaths because they

were trying to best each other and trying to maybe push things a little too far and like brought too many people up at the same time and didn't want to. to like, you know, space themselves out. So they bottlenecked at the one spot and all this stuff. And so there's definitely in John Crackauer's book more, I'll say blame. Yeah, like left at the feet of both the Rob Hall character Jason Clark and Scott Fisher, who is Jillen Hall, for being reckless, being sort of like this kind of problematic male, you know, drive to. And it's like, It's not all men. Like, what's her name?

Yusuko Namba, who's the, the, had climbed six of the seven major peaks in the world. And this was her seventh, and she made it. As soon as, I will say, that was the one where the score really, like, cheated a little bit. And as soon as Jason Clark's, like, I'm so proud of you, you did this. And I'm like, oh, she's toast. She's not going to make it. Because one of the things that I liked best about this, and I thought was so terrifying, is John Hawke's character and Martin Henderson's character. Both of those characters essentially just like fall slash stumble down the jump down on.

And both of those things happened without any like musical sting to it. Like all of a sudden, Hawks is in the background of a shot. And you know something's going to happen because they close up on him unhooking his carabiner or whatever. but he's like you can't tell whether he's got like mountain madness or he just doesn't quite know where he is and he's trying to like call to Jason Clark and he's behind him and he's sort of trying to grasp at the rope and then he just falls and he's gone and Martin Henderson does the thing that Elizabeth Debicki warned about is like some people have you know tried to take off all their clothes because they think it's too hot or whatever and Henderson does that like takes his jacket off or whatever and then like just sort of slips and falls and he's and that And he's gone. And, like, there's nothing. There's no look over the side. It's just so sudden and so blunt.

And it's really, I think, very effective, those two parts. And didn't make you sit there thinking, Jesus Christ, why would anybody ever do this? I'm saying. I'm saying. Mountain madness. Same thing as festival fever. So it's like, the altitude sickness is exactly what happens at the telluride film festival.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. John Hawke's character could not stop raving about me Earl and the Dying Girl. I don't understand it, but, like, he was really into that movie, so... There is a massive storm. It is your way. All right, climbers. Come back down to base camp for a second. We're going to take a break from our Everest talk. Katie's going to take a bathroom break or something. I don't know. Katie's not here with us. We're recording this several weeks later. We're here for... Like a whole month later, basically.

Truthfully, yes. We're here for our Vulture Fantasy Movie League update for the week. Still waiting for the awards portion of the year to kick in. The Gotham Awards will be given out on November 27th. That'll be the next thing, the Independent Spirit Awards. Not long after that. But for now, we are dealing with box office. I will say, Chris, starting the league earlier this year,

and box office being a little bit more, I think by the time we started last year, the only movies that really had any box office impact at all were, it was literally, I think there were literally like five movies at all that made any kind of points box office wise because of the lateness of the way we started and the thresholds that we had set. It was like Avatar and Black Panther. And then like, was the David Harbor movie called Violent Night? Yes, because that was like a dollar buy or something last year. And that movie made like a little bit of money over the threshold, but nobody.

picked it because who would pick it for, you know, a thing where you get points for awards. So it was very, very two-dimensional. It was very limited. This season, I will say, I'm really enjoying the multi-dimensionality of the box office stuff because right now you're seeing a lot of people who kind of rocketed to the top of the standings on the backs of having multiples of The Exorcist and Saw, Saw X, and, do people call it Saw X or Saw 10? It's one of those things where I realize I've only ever seen it in print. And, like, I'm just, Saw X makes more sense, right? You say Saw X to me, and, you know, it's, I don't know.

That movie title, whatever, that movie's existence is like, you know, dogs not being able to hear a certain whistle. I don't acknowledge that. I don't endorse. I don't acknowledge everybody doing Saw. rewatches this year to go see that movie. I'm like, these are all bad movies. Projects are fun. But then you get something like Five Nights at Freddy's, which I think has made enough money to offset the idea that like, well, this is just sort of empty calories. This movie's not going to be anything once the awards start kicking in. I think something like Five Nights

at Freddy's has made enough money so far. Do you know what I mean? Where it's starting to matter. And like Taylor Swift's, the Ares Tour is another one. where it's like it's made enough money so far that it's really impacting what the standings are now, and I think the standings will be going forward. I no longer think that box office, I went for a zero box office strategy for my roster, and I'm now thinking I probably made a mistake that I should have drafted Taylor or Five Nights at Freddy's or something, even something like Killers of the Flower Moon, which-Killers of the Flower Moon, which is going to be, like, probably in the top five Scorsesee grocers by the end of the day.

I think, yeah, I was going to say by the end of its run, it'll probably be in the top like two or three, right? No, I don't think that movie has a chance at hitting a hundred, but like all of the Scorsese movies that have made $100 million are very recent. It's the three Leo's, I believe, are the only Scorsesies that have passed. Which is Shutter Island, the Departed, and Wolf of Wall Street. Oh, Wolf of Wall Street. that one, right? But still, it's going to be, it's going to be right up there. We are dealing with

the most lucrative Sophia Coppola movie since Lost in Translation in general, but in some metrics at all. This is the first time Sophia Coppola's ever showed up in the top five of a box office ever, and she's done it two weekends in a row now. The holdovers in Limited is off to a good start. There's potential there for box office points in the long game, I think. I don't know if it's ever going to be busting the bank, you know, on a weekend chart. But I think over time, like, that's a movie that'll probably still be in theaters through January, you know, of, you know, modest audience is still going to see it. We have probably, unfortunately, passed the era of the Oscar nominations giving box office boosts to movies. I think the studios

have, even like the Indies studios and even the major studios have just to, decided that those movies, by the time Oscar nominations come out, will probably be on VOD, and they'll be trying to recoup their money that way. I don't think we're ever going to see again the idea of a movie getting a bump from, you know, advertisements that say nominated for Eight Academy Awards or something like that, which is too bad. Right, right, right, right. But anyway, so last week's big news was that the Marvel's completely bombed, which, do your little dance, Chris, that the MCU finally

crashed and burned. I'm not doing a little dance about it. If anything, like, the Marvels is probably more of what I would want of the MCU, that it's like not so reliant on though, I mean, I guess it is and it isn't because it's so reliant on

knowledge of the TV shows, which is, I think, a huge part of why it's not so successful, but like everybody I've talked to that seen it feels like the movie feels more like one-off. Like, it's not so hugely connected to some giant narrative. And, like, that is more of what I want. It's also just, I think it's a fun, you know, action, like the action scenes, I think, are really largely well done.

I think the character dynamics between the three leads are really fun. I think, yes, the more that I sort of hear people talk about it, I do, like, there, there is backstory there that comes from Wanda Vision and Ms. Marvel. and that kind of thing. So, yes, I think in general, though, I think it's one of those things where box office isn't an indicator of a movie, like a box office opening weekend is not an indicator of a movie's quality. It can't be, you know what I mean? People haven't seen it yet.

What it is, though, is it's the Marvels had to reap the rewards or the whatever, the punishments of your love and thunders, your quantum manias, your movies that people did go see and were disappointed by, and general fatigue, and like, it's sort of a perfect storm. And it's also, like, not to lean on it too heavily, but it is the idea that, like, there is a not insignificant portion of the comic book movie watching audience who feel, like, resentful towards a movie with three female leads and a black female director, and they feel like, you know, Marvel's too woke and yada, yada, yada. Which, I don't want to give those people more credit than they deserve, but there is, you know, it's an element that you see. Keep them in an underground bunker and never let them go to a movie ever again anyway. Right. But anyway, so the Marvels is kind of cratering, but coming along up, you know, the next weekend is the idea that maybe, you know, the idea that franchises should be allowed to just sort of die is going to get a little bit of pushback.

Because to my great surprise, this Hunger Games prequel is not only tracking pretty well, but the reviews have been way better than I thought it was going to be. Like from people who I would have never expected to be sort of, you know, soft on this kind of a movie. So it's not like it's coming from just like the usual sycophantic, you know, reaction press or whatever. I will say, I think some of that is severely diminished expectations, severely diminished expectations. Because I currently am reading the Hunger Games, colon, the ballot of Jack and Diane. And it is... You're reading the book. Very boring.

I find it so boring. I can't even, like, pick it back up because I would much rather listen to, like, Barbara, audiobook. We can't get into that yet. We'll get into it at some point, listeners. Oh, we sure will. The... I guess I'm not super surprised that it's doing well or... It is a Francis Lawrence movie, and Francis Lawrence knows how to make these movies.

Sure. You know what I mean? Like, for as much as Mocking Jay was whatever, like Catching Fire, I think was a great, you know, a great version of a Hunger Games movie. Yeah, yeah. Having rewatched these movies for no good goddamn reason, catching fire is. Yeah, you're making fun of the Saw people, and here you are rewatching all the Hunger Gameses. The Hunger Gameses at least have a bona fide movie star at the head of it. Very good.

Okay, fair. Sorry Costas Mandelor or Shawnee Smith you're getting catching strays from Chris Pyle

But anyway So Ballot of Song Brits and Snakes is looking like At least the story on this one is going to be well There's a possibility

that it could have a little bit of legs on good word of mouth from critics You imagine you know audiences may follow suit and people seem to like our benediction pal Tom Blythe.

He seems to be getting a lot of red carpet attention, which is good. Wearing a tape top, apparently. The Zoomers love their Rachel Zegler, as you well know. It's got a star from Euphoria in there, which, all things to be successful among the youth, you have to have someone from Euphoria, that is the new rule. So, good on Hunter Schaefer for bringing their magical euphoria dust and sprinkling it all over. I think the magical euphoria dust is ketamine. Right.

I have seen enough episodes of euphoria to know that the magical euphoria dust is ketamine. Right. Okay. What a stressful show. Okay, I do want to loop back. If we're talking box office points this week. I do want to loop back a little bit to the Marvels and point out that the death, like, bells that are being rung for the MCU right now in terms of people are like, this is going to be the first Marvel movie to not make $100 million. dollars. A lot of that, and it's also Disney, a lot of like that kind of reporting happened after the first weekend of Elemental this summer because it made like this shocking opening for a Pixar movie. I think it was like $28 or $27 million the week that it opened. And it lagged out to $150 million opening. And I think that is probably... $150 billion total. Yeah.

Yes. Yes. Just domestic. And I think that that is, to me, the likely future for The Marvels, because, like, the way Disney contracts work, these movies stay in theaters for a long time. And I think people over, like, you know, the holidays will be, there will be people that show up to these movies, this movie. Listen, the theaters can only keep Wonka out of so many rooms. So you got to give Wonka its space to spread its wings. I don't want to talk about. My transition into being fully pro-Wonka has been a delightful... You have Wonka-Poptimism. I have very much Wonka-Poptimism. I do.

I will fully admit. Which is funny because I'm not a Paddington person. So it's not like... And you're not a... You like Timothy Shalameh, but I think... Oh, I'm a Shalamee person. I think Shalamea-poptimism annoys you sometimes. Well, it's...

It has the flavor of a lot of this sort of like, you know, I don't know, the way that social media treats this sort of cadre of, like, adorable boy kings. Maybe you're not a pop-tomist, you're a pop-t-art. How would I say pessimist with pop in it? You're not a pop-timist. You're a pop-stimist. That just sounds like pop-sist. Let's move on. Let's please, let's please move. on. Let's move on to the

All of Us Gary's league sub league in the movie fantasy league this year. Our All of Us Gary's update is, we should have a fake sponsor. Like, this week's All of Us Gary's update

brought to you by Red Robin or something like that. You know what I mean? Someone sponsor us. I've already bought a new mattress, so I can't, no mattress companies are allowed to sponsor us now that I've shelled out for a mattress, but maybe... We can make fun of it and say that we're sponsored

by BetterHelp, because every podcast is sponsored. What if we just, like, say we're sponsored by Bomba socks until they send us some bomba socks, like something? Like, give us something. All right. Anyway, we have, so these are your updated scores in the, all of us, Gary's League, as of last week, because you're hearing this after the weekend of the 18th and 19th box office. This has all been added.

So whatever, there's nothing we can do about that. The top scorer currently in the Alvis Garry's League is a team called Mart 1655, who is currently in the top 35 overall. Go fucking Garys. We're going to... Hell yeah. We are going to support each other. We are a supportive fandom.

So I want to read March... We will, by the end of the season, get a Gary in at least, I think, the top 10 of the entire game. I will say, Chris, your Bet Noir, Raghowski Crop Top Stan. is in the top three of the All of Us Gary's League. You're stalking horse. Are you standing me because my name is Rikowski Crop Top? Or are you standing the Crop Top? I hope it's the Crop Top you're standing.

I think we all stand that Crop Top. Classic Midriff Cinema passages. Anyway, so Mart's team, all right, let's talk about this. This is, A, I think, a pretty well-balanced team. Past Lives, Killers of the Flower Moon, Poor Things, showing up, five nights at Freddy's, Anatomy of the Fall, the Boy and the Heron,

Taylor Swift, the heiress tour. So, let's talk about this for a second. No Barbie and no Oppenheimer, which concerns me some. Because I do think there is a version of this award season that becomes just Barbie and Oppenheimer volleying back and forth everything,

almost, you know what I mean? I'm skeptical about that. Talk to me about that, then, briefly. I don't know. I think there's a lot more, happening than those two movies still. And I question, I kind of

question the idea of Oppenheimer being like the one, but I also question the industry taking Barbie seriously enough. See, I'm questioning the Oppenheimer thing a little bit more than I used to, but it's because I think, oh, Barbie could

win it all. So, I don't, I think there's a lot of other things that are made in play, which, like, Mart 1655's group has, like, Killers of the Flower Moon, poor things. I think the, I, I think there is a tendency to write the season as done and for Oppenheimer that I'm seeing a lot of that I'm like, especially because the strike kind of delaying the season, this season is not, is like, but I think that plays in with even more. I think the strike going so long really helps to calcify this year as the Barbenheimer. year. And I think that's going to be, I just, like, I could be wrong. We'll see how it goes.

I think something like the holdovers, though, I think could be a thing. Killers of the Flower Moon, I'm always skeptical under my new Scorsese Spielberg theory that neither one of them is ever going to win Best Picture again. Right. But like... I don't think Killers of the Flower Moon will goose egg, like two big Robert Scorsese movies have. It shouldn't. I hope not. But, you know, a lot of season to be had. Poor Things is a fantastic wildcard in this award season. Poor things could do, like could run the gamut of outcomes, which I'm totally excited about.

Past Lives, we are waiting for the Past Lives Second Wind to show up. They are very strategically waiting on that. I think 824 knows how to play this kind of thing. I have, you know, faith in them. So I'm waiting to see what Past Lives does after the new year. And then I think something like Anatomy of a Fall is a good mid-tier that's going to rack up some nominations and that's going to rack up some awards. Same thing with Boy in the Heron. I think Boy in the Heron is going to show up in a lot of different places.

And then you've, you, Mark picked the two correct box office movies, right? The Five Nights at Freddy's and Taylor Swift the Ares Tour in terms of like cheapy cheeys that are making big time money. So even something like my beloved Wonka, which is going to make $500 million, you had to pay a lot for that. So relatively speaking, compared to Taylor and Five Nights at Freddy's. So good job. Joe is already in the tank for the Wonka Cinematic Universe. He is first in line for Wonka, The Way of Chocolate. The Wonka is going to really test the market's ability when it's Willie Wonka, Teen Wonka, and Wonka's nephew.

you who is the same age as Wanka. That's going to be... I do think we have another box office success laying in weight. No, I'm not talking about Aquaman, I think especially... I mean, everybody kind of expected the first Aquaman to fail. So, you know, caveat to that, but I don't think things are going to look good for Aquaman. Everything in D.C. has been flop-op-op-opping, so we'll see. I do think that especially now that, you know, you've seen all of these reactions from people,

even though we have heard a lot of stuff in advance about it, I think that the color purple really has the chance to be a box office hit. I mean, I kind of felt that there was always that potential, but... Did you see Dave Carger's tweet? No, what did he say?

Dave Carger tweeted after seeing the color purple screened in Los Angeles this week. Dave Carger, formerly of Entertainment Weekly, now of TCM, tweeted and he was like he kind of like he didn't quite yada yada

over the movie but he like be lined to complimenting Danielle Brooks he was like the thing to talk about is Daniel Brooks

and in fact wait I have I know I can find it really quickly so I'll find the tweet but I was like I thought that was notable because A

we've been trying to figure out who of Danielle or Taraji would be the supporting actress play but also okay so here's Dave Carger's tweet from having seen the color purple just watch the color purple

and there's so much to admire. Admire, notice. Admire is not always a word you want to have. Admire is always a a dirty word. So much to admire from the costumes to the choreography to the fantastic cast, but for me it is all about this

phenomenal performance. Bravo, Danielle Brooks. So A, I think the supporting actress field that is right now, I think, the most without a headliner now maybe has a headliner. in Danielle Brooks, but also that to me says the color purple might be just a Danielle Brooks awards vehicle. Maybe, maybe, I don't know. I've been... There's an original song in there,

so I would expect it to show up there. But I just mean in terms of like the... Like bare minimum. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think it's, you know, it's going to be awesome. To not mention Fantasia at all in your... A lot of people are not mentioning Fantasia. It's very weird because I remember when she... I mean, I read her profile. Was it a variety that did all of those? And, like, she talks about it as, like, a hard experience to do the show on the stage. But I remember when she did it on Broadway and got raves for it.

So it's like, it is surprising to not see. And I think some of that has to do with the approach for the movie, which... Well, I also feel like Cynthia Revo in the Broadway revival, I think, up to the game on raves of the performance of that role is the other thing. Yeah. But anyway, we'll have more opportunity to talk about the color purple as the season goes on. I wanted to shout out one more name who's in the top 10 of the All of Us Gary's League, which is one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.

Eighth place is a team called Andrew Hey, which I'm a simple, I'm a man of simple tastes and simple pleasures. And that to me, we have some good names to. Totally. We do. I also wanted to, it's fun when there's movement on the All of Us Gary's board because we do get to see the other fun names. I do think Mojo Dojo Era's tour is very funny. It's very clever. I like it a lot. So we'll definitely keep shouting out more team names as we go along. I love charting the Gary's League. Also shout out to a friend of the podcast and all around rad person, Clay Keller, currently still leading the podcasters league. So, got to love that. What else is going on? Shout out to Rebecca Alter for leading the Vulture Staff League as well. I'm not going to look and see Chris, who among you and I are ahead,

because we haven't even begun to amass our points. So we will be competitive with each other later, I feel like. We are both among the bottom of the podcast. I was trying to avoid saying, that Christopher but not it's totally fine because the game has only just begun and box office is not part of either

of our strategies marathon not a sprint all right um all right Chris I think that's probably good for us and we will return you to that dangerous dangerous mountain top uh and Everest and we'll get back to Katie all right

all right let's talk about the casting though because Chris you bring up the idea that like these are very kind of thin constructions of the mountain climbers at least, or maybe you feel everybody. I think in the setup, leading up to their actual climb of Everest, I had trouble distinguishing them just on a character level. And then once they're on the mountain and they're spending most of the time, covered in all this gear, it's really hard.

That part's hard. It's hard to tell these people apart to the point that, like, fundamentally I could not tell who was who, because even with, like, you know what Josh Brolin's voice sounds like, but there's all these sound effects of wind and, you know, all of that, but, like, I had, I, I, I know I sound maybe a little stupid for this, but, like, I could not tell who anyone was that. There were a couple times where I thought Sam Worthington had gone up the mountain to, like, rescue somebody, even though I know that, like, time doesn't work like that. I mean, but, like, and then it turns out to just be like Martin Henderson or something like that. The presence of Sam Worthington as, like, the guy

who's on a different mountain nearby and then comes to their mountain. Like, I get that it's real life. It's just so confusing. The number of separate expeditions, separate camps, separate mountains. Like, it's a lot going on. There's so many people up there where they should not be. Go home. This is not sustainable for human life, even for a half an hour.

Go home. And this is why I think the movie improves in its final half, where it just narrows things down to, these are the people who are freezing to death. These are the people back at camp. This is Emily Watson struggling to hold it together as she's on the phone with Kier Knightley. You mentioned this, Katie, though. This is the wife on the phoniest movie. Oh, my God.

All time. Even like Emily Watson's on the phone all the time. Emily Watson's not even anybody's wife and she's on the phone. She's on the phone. Sam, Worthington's a wife on the phone in this movie. Like, it's amazing. And, yeah, and like, look, Robin Wright, like, God love her. She's doing great wife.

She does the work in this one. She's just like, I'll get him. Hold on. Her Texas accent is great. It is. It's great. Like really good. And her hair is perfect.

And then she immediately has this whole like, uh, fucking like country club ladies group worth of people calling the embassy in Kathmandu or whatever. And it's incredible. She like mobilizes. Meanwhile, Mia Gott's doing nothing just sitting on that couch. Yeah. Like, sorry that you're 10, Mia Gott. But like, Christ.

I feel like it is good and right to complain about when roles for women in these movies are limited to wife on phone. But, like, the wives on the phone get their moments. Like, Karen Knightley is really good in this movie. And, like, I don't think we realized that then that, like, she didn't have that many movies left to, like, she's not in movies very much at all anymore. What is the explanation for that? Do we have any idea? I sure wish I knew. I had no idea.

I always get trepidacious when I hear about that because it's just like, oh, God, she did. make a bunch of, like, Weinstein Company movies. She was in Boston Strangler this year. That is true. She's a parent now, though, right? She could be focusing on that possibility. She had a kid, like, and, you know, she's not 40, but, like, she's gotten older. I don't know, like, probably all the same horrible bullshit reasons that we hear about.

But this is the one thing that, like. I also think a lot of her movies, like, that she makes, she's been in the unfortunate position that they don't, like, happen. Like, she was in that movie official secrets that. What? it was like a Sundance movie that was like released by IFC right before the festival so like truly

not a real movie this is the one advantage that athletics has over the movies in that like in sports if somebody retires they like have a press conference and they say I'm retiring and then they're retired and in movies it's like four years later and you're just like wait a second

this person hasn't been in a movie in four years are they retired and you might not ever know and oftentimes they lie, which also in sports that happens too, because Tom Brady lies, but, you know, I remember thinking about this when Darkest Hour came out I guess that was 2017.

17, yeah. And it's Lily James, who's like the secretary, right? Yes. Which is just a real Kira Knightley role. And I was like Joe Wright, like what, did you and Kira Knightley? What happened? Right, right. Yeah, Joe Wright, make another Kira Nightly movie. We need another.

He's not really done great by shit, not Haley Atwell. Who's his wife? The other one, the other Haley Bennett. Haley Bennett, yeah. Oh, I didn't realize they were married. Yeah. Well, they had a kid. Okay.

But, like, it's not like, Sierra no didn't work out great for either of them, so maybe Kira can explain her actions. I love Joe Wright. To be clear. I'm not giving up on Joe Wright, neither are you, Katie. No, absolutely not. We are the Thelman, Louise, and Louise's friend of Joe Wright.

The three of us are in a car. What the fuck? Am I just Harvey Keitel? You're the car. You're the car. I am the one who's been like, we should do. the soloist. Like, I am the only one that claims the soloist

as a Joe Wright picture. That's true. I've never even seen the soloist. You count more. You're better. I did not like it much. But that was before I became a Joe Wright diehard, so who knows? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I said Thelman, Louise, and Louise's friend. I can be Louise's friend. It's fine. They decided to bring Brad Pitt with them and keep them

money. Yes. Oh, fine. I'll be Brad Pitt and Thelman in Louis. Like, twist my arm. Okay. If you insist. All right. Favorite performance. among this cast. Emily Watson. Me too. I was going to say Jason Clark, but we'll get to the Jason Clark moment.

Let's talk about Amy Watson. How do we feel about Jason Clark's character being a little bit haloed in this movie compared to maybe in real life where he was maybe... Compared to Jake Joltenhall. Like, I think Jake Jolns... Right, Jolent Hall gets to be like the bad guy and Clark's the good guy. Yeah. For a second, it made me wonder, is it because they needed the participation of these people's

families to make this movie, but then that doesn't really make any sense. Because you would need Scott Fisher's family as participation, too, seemingly. It's not like he does anything, like Scott Fisher, it implies he dies because he's trying to help people too much, and he just runs out of energy. But I think with Rob Hall, you've got that phone call. Like, that really happened. And if you're going to build to that, I think you're going to get that halo with it. That's the thing.

You want to have that be your main character, your sort of hero. Yeah. I think a more, I say this a day and a half. after seeing Killers of the Flower Moon, where I'm like, how is this movie about, like, toxic male, you know,

a drive to success or whatever? And it's just like, it's not hard to make... It should be more about it, probably. It might be better. Because that's at least, like... I say that this movie

has a major problem because it doesn't answer the fundamental question of why do you do something like this. Because it's there. They say it themselves. Well, but like... But Michael Kelly also,

It's more like the crack hour story. It at least has, like, a theme to hang its head on, you know? Yeah. Well, and you even have the cracker character in this, when they do the joke about, like, because it's there, he's like, yeah, but, like, that's not a real reason. And then, you know, Namba says, you know, well, I've done six of the seven peaks. And he's like, that's not even a real reason. Like, the question is, why do you want to climb the peaks to begin with? And they don't really have an answer beyond just, like, there are some people who want to,

prove something to themselves, prove something to the people in their life. Or they're rich enough to say that they've done it? We have all the money in the world and still feel empty. I mean, you think about, like, Lossity of Zed, which doesn't answer this question either, but I think it gets into why you would do this

and not have an answer for it, right? Like, I think you watch that movie and you're like, these men are doing something completely insane, but you understand the culture that gets them to that point, the war trauma, all of this stuff. And this movie, it just isn't the movie, that's going to take the time to get into that.

It probably would be better if it did. Right. Even if it gave us a corny answer like that, because I don't think it really even gives us the answer of because it's there. You know, it's just... Well, and like, and I think that maybe gets to a little bit, Chris, your thing about the characters where it's just like,

what do we know about Brolin's character? He's Texas. His character is Texas. And, like, John Hawks' character is like, I'm the nice every man. And then it gets sort of a little bit flimmy. Like, what do we know about the Martin Henderson character? Jason Clark runs this outfit.

Like, right. He's picking up trash that other people left there. He cares about this. That's a whole thing, apparently, that, like, people are saying that they should ban oxygen bottles. They should ban bottles of supplemental oxygen because they think, A, it might dissuade some of the more amateur. people from trying to climb it in the first place. That, like, they're essentially, that was one of John Crackhauer's being conclusions coming away from that, is that, like, these commercial expeditions made it made people

who probably shouldn't have been trying to climb Everest, try to climb Everest. And so, and so there is this movement, or was or whatever, I do not keep up on these trends, to essentially be like, you shouldn't have bottled oxygen because it would then, like, narrow the range of people who could attempt this to the most, like, the best of the best. And then also, you wouldn't have what they do have now, which is like a bunch of litter up on Everest

and being like, like, it's, you know, whatever, it's not quite the garbage patch in the ocean kind of a thing, but it's just like, why is their fucking litter up on Everest, you know? Yeah. God. All right. You guys were going to talk about Emily Watson, though.

Oh, yeah. Chris, talk about Emily Watson because I already talked a little bit about it. A great actor who, as we kind of hinted at earlier, has not really gotten her due since her Oscar nominations and just doesn't really get the roles. But, like, Katie, you mentioned she is wife on phone without being anyone's wife. I feel like... Those scenes, though, are, like, incredibly affecting. Like, every single time she starts to break into tears, it's so moving because it's not only just, like, sad. Sometimes tears are just supposed to communicate, like, feel sad now.

But it's also, like, it's this frustration. It's this sort of like this moment that I had always sort of feared about, you know, now is actually happening. And now it's my responsibility to be the go-between between my friend and business partner who is dying and we can't do anything to help him. And his wife, who is also my friend, who is, like, pregnant at home. And, like, she has to be the one to, like, put the phones together and, like, make them talk. It's hard. That's the most emotional complexity we get in the whole movie. And I think Emily Watson does a great job of showing all of the nuances of that type of situation.

And, like, I think her and Kira Knightley, if this movie is emotionally effective in any way or just like, you know, at least cashes the checks that it writes, it's because of the two of them. See, I think that sells Jason Clark short and, like, his end of that deal. because I feel like he really what I like about his performance is what it carries about that emotion and not just in the end parts of it but kind of like the idea of like being dedicated to something wanting to take care of the people who are in his charge like I feel like you get why he's doing it even if you don't get why on how happy he is for the other people how much he wants to like help that like it is it is the most it's the most charitable way of it's not charitable I guess it's that makes it seem like it's false but like it's the most sort of generous way of

viewing why these people do it, or why Jason Clark would embark upon this business, because there's a way to look at him, the way you look at Jillenhall's character, which is this, you're in this for the glory, you're trying to be number one. And with Clark's character, Clark gets to show that other side, which is that, like, I am somebody who is sort of helping facilitate these people be better than they ever hoped they could be and whatever, which is a corny notion, but, like, you can buy it. Also, I want to say, shout out to Elizabeth DeBickey for doing one of my favorite things that people can do in movies, especially movies like this, which is project professional competence at the best level, is where, like, I know that she knows, she knows her information down. And so they mentioned this is her first time up on the mountain.

Is she filling in for Kira Knightley? Because you get the sense that Kira Knightley is usually on these expeditions. And she can't. Because Kira Knightley's like, I'm so far away, I can't do anything. And you get the sense that she's only home because she's pregnant. And then they mentioned that it's DeBickey's first time. But, like, I don't know if Kira's character was a medical professional, like, Debicki. I don't know either.

You get to say she certainly climbed to mountains. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had maybe more to say about Elizabeth Tobicki's one scene in this movie than I had in any scene of the movie. First of all, Jason Clark is taller than Elizabeth Debicki, how fucking. Talking tall is Jason Clark. He's got the boots with the spikes on it, though. She doesn't.

Like, he's got to have those, like, boots with the ice. The boots with the spikes. Is that, like, Apple Bottom jeans, boots with the spikes? Apple bottom jeans, boots with the spikes. Kieran Littles' character is a doctor. Okay. She's currently the clinical director at the Nelson's sexual health clinic. My theory is playing out.

Okay, so there we go. All right. Also, she basically explains how you do everything on Everest and everything they need to look out she is playing she Elizabeth Debicki star of Tennant is doing the Clement's Posey in Tenant thing of being like don't worry about it it's just Everest just like go up and like don't think about it just go maybe Elizabeth Debicki was the first moment of shock though of I didn't know this person was in it and I was like yelling Elizabeth Debicki at my TV five minutes later via God shows up

It's weird. Where are we in Elizabeth DeBickey at this point? This is two years after Gatsby. It's two years after Gatsby, and that was the first thing I had ever seen her in. I think it was the first thing almost, and everyone had seen her in. Yeah. She's amazing at Gatsby. Gatsby what Gatsby.

Yeah, Gatsby's apparently the only other thing she had been in was something called A Few Best Men, starring Xavier Samuel. It seems like something you would watch. It does kind of. Derogatory. Drag. Drag him. This is also the same year as Man from Uncle. So Man from Uncle would have been a month or two before this.

Yeah. She's great in Man From Uncle, so is everybody. Like, whatever. Sorry, we can't talk about Army Hammer anymore. But, like, Henry Cavill's great. Alicia Vicander's great. I loved a Man from Uncle. Man from Uncle rules.

She's also apparently Lady McDuff in the Justin Kurtzell, Macbeth, that happens that year. The one with Mary and Cotillard? Marion Cotillard and Michael Fastbender. Who is Lady Macduff? McDuff is Sean Harris. She's Lady McDuff to Sean Harris's McDuff. So she really was doing just like tiny parts

after Gatsby for some reason. I assume because every leading man in Hollywood was like absolutely not. She's too tall. Probably. Because like Army Hammer's a giant. Henry Cavill's a giant. Like they can put, Jason Clark's the giant, I guess.

Tom Cruise has a picture of her in the casting office for Mission Impossible being like absolutely under no circumstances. We cannot allow this to happen. However, coming up, much as I hate, Ty West's X and Pearl... Speaking of Mia Gough.

She is going to be in Maxine as a porn director, apparently. I'm burnt out on that theory, Maxine. Yeah, I'm burnt out on that, but like, I guess I will for that. I hate those movies. I don't expect to like Maxine, but if Debicki's

in it doing a thing. Also, as a pair of LAPD detectives, Bobby Connovali and Michelle Monaghan, which is like an interesting pairing of detective. It's going to be Ty West's true detective. Right, right. Michelle Monaghan was in true detective, but just not as a cop.

All right, I want to talk briefly, before I get into the game, I want to talk about Baltazar Cormacore, who, from all indications, is just a week. weird Icelandic, like, rumple-stiltskin type character, I don't know. What about rumble-stiltskin? Explain.

I don't know. Like, all of his movies just sound like, I don't know, maybe it's my sort of thing with like-Jew-R-Q profile of Balthusarcox. Scandinavian directors, but, like, I don't know. Like, maybe it's the fact that after Everest, he does a drift and beast, and so it's all of these, like, let me just, like, set human beings in, like, these, like, horrible conditions and stuff. He also directed that...

In a show called Trapped in addition to the drift? I mean, it all seems of a part, right? He had done a movie called The Deep in 2012 that got shortlisted for the Oscar.

Then that one is about a fisherman who survived in the freezing ocean after his boat capsized off the south coast of Iceland. So like Baltazar Cormacor seems like a guy who has a, maybe similar fixations to the characters in Everest, where he's just, like, fascinated by these

situations where people have to survive. He directs a movie called The Sea that is about a family who lives by the... I guess if you're from Iceland, maybe you're just, like, everything has to do with water because there's... You're never too far from the ocean, so maybe that's a thing. I realized in preparing for this episode that I had been confusing about the door, Makor with Timor Bechmembatov, the Russian director of Wanted and Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter. Yep, yep, yep, yep, easy to do, easy to do. I was confusing him with Roar Utog, the director of the Norwegian title wave movie, The Wave. The Wave, I was going to bring up the Wave, too, because the Wave is not dissimilar.

That's a movie I saw in Toronto, in fact, The Wave. That's a movie that has so much. stuff about Fjords, you would not believe it. Like, you really learn a lot about Fjords. Everest also, though, co-scripted by Simon Beaufoy, who I think probably brings the most like Oscar buzz

cachet with him to this movie. He was a three-time Oscar nominee by this point. He was the writer of the Full Monty and Slumdog Millionaire, and he was also nominated for 127 hours, which, looking back on

127 hours, I still kind of stick up for that James Franco nomination. I think Franco is actually really good in that movie. It's the screenplay nomination and the picture nomination that I'm sort of like, I don't know, seem a little bit curious in retrospect. Extreme Slumdog Halo nomination. Yeah. Oh, totally. Absolutely. I guess he also did the screenplay for Battle of the Sexes, though. And I did enjoy that one. So, good movie. Good for Simon Bofoy. He also wrote Miss Pettigrew lives for a day. Okay. Okay, Simon Bof. He wrote the, you guys done Miss Pettigrew Liz for a day. That feels like a real contender here. We could and should, yeah. We haven't done many Francis McDormand movies, I don't think. She doesn't make that many movies and a lot of them get Oscar nomination. And I was going to say, she's got a good batting average. Yeah. We did salmon fishing in the Yemen, though, which is a Simon Beaufort. Is Simon Beauvoy one of the credited screenwriters on the second Hunger Games movies? Yes. the best Hunger Games movie. He is catching fire.

It's him and Michael. I forgot you're a Hunger Games kid. I'm not really. I mean, I read those. I just rewatched them. Yeah, you just rewatched them. And I finished Mocking Jay Part 2 and I was like, why did I do this? Excellent question, Chris.

Why did you do that? Those last two movies are just not good movies and not satisfying in any way. I'm sure I saw them, but I don't remember. They're on TV all the time. So I do kind of like come upon them a lot. But, like, I don't think I've watched a full Hunger Games movie since I saw the last one. I will absolutely never watch a hundred years to be. This is for teens?

What? Yeah. Oh, it's very grim. It's very grim. It's very violent. All true. But, like, people didn't like the last book. Like, that's the thing is, right?

That was one where, like, the first movie, I think, came out before the last book came out, I think. And people were so excited. No. It was close, but I don't think so. Because I definitely read the whole series. before the first movie. Okay. But I remember people not liking Mocking Jay the book, or at least like starting to like, you know, pipe up about not being satisfied with it. Okay, I want to talk about Jason Clark. So before we do, we're going to play our game because I don't want to get into

the Jason Clark filmography before. I didn't look up his IMDB because I had a hunch. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. So obviously, Katie, you talked about how some of the impetus for covering Everest in this episode is that Jason Clark sort of has some similarities with the kinds of actors we've done quizzes about before. We started with our Garrett Headland or Charlie Hunnam quiz. Then we moved into, what was it? It was Donald Grayson. It was Jack O'Connell and Jack Ray. Josh O'Connor, right? Jack O'Connell and Josh O'Connor was in our Money Monster episode. Our About Time episode was Donald Gleeson and Ben Washaw, right? Right. That would make sense. That one feels too easy to me now in retrospect. That's nothing

compares to the Jack. And then last time we did Sienna Miller, our Sienna-Bliness quiz. Yes, Amanda Sienna or anyone else. So I was trying to like, obviously, Jason Clark is the kind of character actor who has been in so many different things that he's the perfect person to do a quiz for. And so I was trying to think, who can I put up against Jason Clark that has that same kind of vibe where it's like beardy, not always beardy, but like emotionally you always sort of think he's got a beard, even when he doesn't have a beard, right? He's kind of, he's not always playing the heavy, but he plays the heavy a lot. He's not always in like a government job, but he feels like spiritually, like, you know, he's in a lot of government jobs.

And so I landed on Joel Edgerton. And so I'm like, yeah. This will be a really good, like, they're both Australian, they're both, like, you know, they run in the same circles. And I'm like, that fits, yes, technically. But, like, is it worthy of Katie's sixth time on the podcast? And so I thought, no, let's kick it up a notch. And so the game that I have for you guys is Jason Clark or. some other Australian. And so what we have here is Jason Clark up against the bevy of Australian character actor,

sort of mid-level, you know, 40-ish, you know, 30s to 40s kind of a range. And again, they're all in very similar kinds of movies. I think, I believe in you guys. I believe you can do this. I wonder if our Australia episode is going to turn out to have been valuable prep for this. Well, preparing for this and also preparing for Australia episode, my mind really was like crossing the streams in some very, um, social ways. Are the Kiwi accents in Everest any good? I feel like Australia scrambled my antenna enough. Well, that's the other thing is the characters in Everest are all, or a lot of them are from New Zealand.

Yeah. I think the accents were pretty good. And I made especially sure not to confuse the two in. in preparation for this because I don't want to get yelled at. I really want to be, like, good about this kind of thing. So if there are cases where somebody's an Australian, but I need to, like, you know, explain it, then I will do it. But are we ready to do Jason Clark or some other Australian? We're going to try. All right, Katie, as our guest, you get the choice of going first or second. I'll go first. All right. So the thing is, the question is, when I read the role, you will tell me, is it Jason Clark or some other Australian? That'll be. for one point. The second point will come is if you can name, if it is another Australian,

you can name the other Australian. And if you can't, the other person then gets a chance to steal that point by naming the Australian. Okay. I think we did a similar format for Sienna Miller and we decided not to do stealing as an option and this time we're doing sealing as an option. We'll do stealing as an option. Yeah. All right. So wait, Katie, did you say you do want to go first? Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right. To begin as John Connor, the assumed savior of humanity in Terminator Genesis. Jason Clark or some other Australian. I never saw Terminator Genesis, but I do think that is Jason Clark.

It is Jason Clark for one point. Very good. Okay. Chris, as Howard Bondurant, the eldest of a trio of bootlegging brothers in Lawless. Ooh. That is Jason Clark. It is Jason Clark. All right.

Very good. Chris. Katie. As John Redd Hamilton, an associate of wanted criminal John Dillinger in public enemies. Oh, shit. I think that is not Jason Clark. It is Jason Clark. Oh, wow. That's early for him. It is. It's early, but it is Jason Clark. All right. Back to Chris. As Lewis Creed, a grieving father who makes the bad decision to bury his dead son in the haunted pet cemetery in the 2019 remake of Pet Cemetery. That is Jason Clark. It is Jason Clark.

All right. Point for Chris. Back to Katie. As Patrick Grayston, a seal team six leader in Zero Dark 30. I mean, I don't remember who he is in Zero Dark 30, but he is in Zero Dark 30.

So I'm assuming you're not being mean to me, and it is Jason Clark. It is not Jason. Damn it. That is so rude. That is really rude. Is this what Joel Edgerton? Chris, sorry, did I ruin it?

Chris, you can, get a chance to guess who it is. That is, no, that's not Joel Edgerton because Joel Edgerton is in the,

Joel Edgerton is in the team that kills Bin Laden. So that's some other Australian. Yeah, but that point is gone.

You've got to name the person who it is. So it's Ben Mendelsso. Incorrect. It is Joel Edgerton. All right.

What the fuck? He's in SEAL Team 6. Sealed Team 6 was the... Jason Clark is kind of more of a suit in Zero Dark 30, right? All right. Chris's question... No. Jason Clark is the torturer in the first act of the movie. Oh, God, I haven't seen that movie since 2012.

All right. Chris's turn. As Dan Fuller, a CIA intelligence officer in Zero Dark 30. That is... That is Jason Clark. All right. I'm going to learn my lesson about cross-talkers. I'm so rude.

Leave it zipped, you guys. All right, Katie, as Neil Fletcher, station manager who plans to take far away downs from Lady Sarah Ashley in Australia. That is not Jason Clark. Yes, who is it? Oh, God damn it. No, it's not, his name's not Hugh because that's, I don't remember. I wish I could remember his name. I don't.

All right, Chris, you get the steal. It is David Wenham. David Wenham. Thank you. Yes. Okay. Chris, as Nick Cassidy, the man on a ledge in man on a ledge. That is some other Australian. It is Sam Worthington. Some other Australian. It's Sam Worthington. Two points for Chris. I should mention,

Sam Worthington has English parents and he was born in England, but he was raised in Australia. Wow. Much like Nicole Kidman, who was born in Hawaii. Yep. Katie, as the Sheriff of Nottingham in the Taryn Edgerton starring Robin Hood. Oh. I was going to go all Russell Crowe, but that's a different Robin Hood entirely, and he was actually Robin Hood. I believe that is some other Australian. It is some other Australian. One point. Is that one Ben Mendelssohn?

It is Ben Mendelsohn. Hey. It gets two points. Well done. All right. Chris, as Aaron Sherritt, an informant on the Kelly gang in the 2003 film Ned Kelly. that is some other Australian it's Heath Ledger it's some other Australian it is not Heath Ledger it is baby Joel Edgerton oh shit sorry sorry would you have gotten that I mean honestly Joel Edgerton really

just is kind of the default but no I'm sorry I screwed that up all right we're all living and learning that's fine Katie right okay yeah as Eric a violent and bitter former soldier in a lawless world 10 years after societal collapse in the rover. Ooh, that's

one of those dark Australian ones. Is that Justin Kurtzell? I think that's some other Australian. It is some other Australian. Okay. Do you know whom? The rover. I don't want to guess Ben Mendelssohn

again, but it's someone who's like scruffy. Guy Pearce. It is Guy Pearce. Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! that's incredible well done i had him in the back of my mind i didn't think that was so good oh my god all right chris as clark the australian second husband of leslie man's character in funny people that is some other australian that is eric banna it is eric banna very good two points for chris katy as emil stenz the ex delta force delta force operative who leads a group of mercenaries in infiltrating and taking over the White House in White House Down.

Oh, that is some other Australian. It is not some other Australian. It is Jason Clark. I love White House Down. I can't believe I forgot he was in it. I know. All right, Chris, as Kale Garrity, one half of a bohemian-seeming tourist couple in Hawaii,

who come under suspicion for murder in a perfect getaway. That is some other Australian. That is also Samworth. It is not Sam Worthington. Katie, can you see it. It's Chris Hemsworth. It is Chris Hemsworth. That's immediately pre-Marvel Chris Hemsworth. Yep, yep, my beloved, a perfect getaway. Katie, very well done. All right. Katie, as Christian Thompson, the seemingly dreamy writer who has the scoop on Miranda Priestley being replaced by Jacqueline Follet in the Devil Wears Prada. There's no way that's Jason Clark. That has to be some other Australian. It is some other Australian. A dreamy Australian from 2006, who I doubt is a Hemsworth.

I don't remember this character in the movie at all. I'm mostly imagining Ben Barnes, who I know is not Australian, so I'm like not going to let myself say him. Let's say that's Joel Edgerton. It's not. Chris, can you steal? It is Simon Baker. Oh, God. He's one of those faces that I'm just never going to nail.

All right. Chris, we'll do yours in the number. we'll do a score break. Chris, as Sir John Falstaff pale to young Prince Hale, Timmy Salomey and the King. That is some other Australian. That is Ben Mendelssohn.

It's not Ben Mendelsohn. Katie. That was going to be my guess, too. I'm going back to my pal, Joel Edgerton. It is Joel Edgerton. Yay! All right. So, after that question, the scores are Chris with 12 and Katie with nine.

So, Katie, you've got some capturing up to do, but you can do it. All right. So that was Chris's question. That was Chris's question. Katie. Yes. As Mr. Bucket, Charlie's father in Tim Burton's Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Oh.

That has to be some other Australian. It is some other Australian. God, Mr. Bucket. He's not even in the Gene Wilder version. I literally don't think he exists in the Gene Wilder version. Maybe he does. I think, no. He doesn't.

He's not in the Gene Wilder version. Okay. Let's say this Guy Pearce again. It is not Guy Pearce. Chris, can you steal? I know that this is like a name person. I just can't think of what male Australian that would be. Also Guy Pearce.

No, not Guy Pearce. Noah Taylor, actually. Oh, right. who was born in London to Australian parents and then moved to Australia at age five. So, there we go. Those friends are travelers. So this is Chris. Chris.

As Arthur Coates, a war photographer in Vietnam in the greatest beer run ever. That is some other Australian. That's Russell Crow. It is Russell Crow. Very good. Never saw that movie, but I did. Nor did I. I did not remember him being in that.

I didn't see it either. Russell Crow, who I didn't realize was born in New Zealand and moved to Australia. at age four. There you go. Interesting. All right. Katie, as Carl Henderson, one half of a husband and wife

pair of serial killers in the devil all the time. Oh, now I remember what the devil all the time is. Let's just say that's Jason Clark. It is Jason Clark. Yeah. All right.

Chris, as the voice of Metal Beak, king of the pure ones in Legends of the Guardians the Owls of Gahul. Oh, my God. Matt Damon on a plane right now screaming with the Guardians of Legend.

I'm just going to say that it's Jason Clark. It is not Jason Clark. Katie, do you know who it is? It's Russell Crow. I don't know. It's not Russell Crow. All right, it is Joel Edgerton. All right. Katie.

Katie, as the voice of Digger, a burrowing owl in Legends of the guardians, the owls of Gahoole. We're going to get every guardian of Gahoole. How about this one is some other Australian? It is some other Australian. Okay. I've been waiting to guess Hugo Weaving. Is it Hugo Weaving?

It is not Hugo Weaving. Okay. All right. Chris, so Chris, was that, who started with who? Chris can steal if he knows who. This is Jason Clark. It is not Jason Clark. So this is David Wenham.

Oh, there he's good. So this is back to Chris. Yes. As the voice of Ezelrib of Kiel, a retired soldier and screech owl in Legends of the Guardians, the Owls of Gahoole. Is this Jason Clark? It is not Jason Clark. Jesus. One of these is going to be Jason Clark.

Katie, can you guess who it is? I feel like I'm running out of Australians. Mel Gibson. Not Mel Gibson. It is Jeffrey Rush, Academy Award winner. Jeffrey Rush. All right. Katie.

As the voice of Twilight, a great gray owl in Legends of the Guardians, the Owls of Gahoole. Is it Jason Clark or some other Australia? This is sending me off. Can this be Russell Crow? It's not Russell Crow. It is not Jason Clark, so you do get a point for that. Okay. But it's not Russell Crow.

Chris, can you steal? Oh, my God. Is it Hugh Jackman? It is not Hugh Jackman. Oh, good one, though. This one goes to Chris. Wait, who was it? Who was it?

Oh, sorry. It was Anthony LaPolly. So this goes to Chris. as the voice of the Easter Bunny and Rise of the Guardians. Oh. That is Hugh Jackman. That is Hugh Jackman.

So two points to Chris. Katie, as the voice of Boron, a snowy owl and the king of Gahoole in Legends of the Guardians the owls of Gahoole. King of the owls sounds like a big part,

so I'm just going to go back to Russell Crow. It's not Russell Crow, but you get a point for knowing it's not Jason Clark. Oh, my God. Chris, can you steal? Australian actors. We've already had La Pollya, Wenham, and Joel Hedgerton. And Jeffrey Rush. And Jeffrey Rush.

And Hugh Jackman has used her bunny. Oh, you mean in this one movie. Yes. And Katie just said Mel Gibson. No, I just said Russell Crow. But she guessed Mel Gibson before for somebody else. Then I'm going to say Mel Gibson. It's not Mel Gibson.

It is Richard Roxburgh. Oh. And then Chris, the final question, as the voice of Alomir, a great grey owl and a spy from Metal Beak in Legends of the Guardians, the Owls of Gahoul. Jason Clark.

It is not Jason Clark. Katie, would you like to steal? Is this one Hugh Jackman? It's actually Sam Neal, but Sam Neal is from New Zealand, and that is the end of our game. Jason Clark, or some other Australia. You've outdone yourself, sir.

You are a menace. You need to be institutionalized. Ended up pretty close. Chris wins at 16 to 14. But congratulations, Chris. You are our winner. I feel especially like I've accomplished something considering it got zero Gahul points. I genuinely went into this game with intentions pure of heart.

And then I went to go pick somebody from Owls of Gahul. And I was like, is everybody in this movie Australian? And yes, basically yes. So Hugo Weaving is also a voice in Owls of Gahoul. And I had to take that one out when I found out that he has. He was born in Nigeria. I'm on his Wikipedia. Born in Nigeria, he lived in England and South Africa and all sorts of other places.

But he has worked his entire career in Australia. I know. That's the thing. He's worked almost entire. I probably could have done it, but I just didn't want to get yelled at from anybody. Now I'm going to get yelled at from Australians. were like, we claim him. They should.

He's a charger. They should. They should. They absolutely should. Listen, if you were in Priscilla, Queen of the Desert, you're Australian. Sorry, Terrence, Snap, but it's true. Do we want to talk about survival movies in the Oscars? Because I feel like this is an interesting topic. Yeah. I was like, because I was trying to think, like, oh, is this like a well that the Oscars go to very often?

And I was like, not really. Like, I guess 127 hours. But then I was thinking, I'm like, Castaways are a different thing. No, it's not quite a disaster movie. And it's like, some of these are sort of like, I included, I made a little list and I included things like wild, which isn't quite true. She's not like trapped in the wild or lost in the wild.

But like she is sort of surviving on her own for a while. But like castaway is like this. Life of Pie is like this. Into the Wild is like this, which is another John Crackauer book turned into a movie. And then stuff that hasn't been nominated. but, like, all is lost is clearly, you know, like this, where he's lost at sea. Unbroken, they spent so much of that movie with those soldiers, pilots, whatever lost at sea. Did I ever get one of those rando, single Oscar nominations?

Yeah, it could... Yes, Roger Deacons, that's right, that's right. I included The Edge because they are, like, it's a plane crash, and they survived, and then there's a bear. Oh, yeah. This year, there's Society of the Snow as the... Oh, the J.A. Bayona one? Mm-hmm. The Spanish.

Submission, which is the same story as a live, which was also a movie. I thought I had put it on this list. But, yeah, it's the soccer team or the rugby team that was crashed in the Andes Mountains. The mountain between us, we talk about all the time. Fuck Mountain. Did they fuck on that mountain? Yeah. Which we got to do at some point.

We got to do Fuck Mountain. I would love to do an episode just so I can see Fuck Mountain. And we've talked about Free Solo, obviously, which is a documentary. But there have been other documentaries. I feel like there was another one. Fairly recently that was on the short list but didn't make it, right? A couple years ago, what I'm, uh... Was it there one about the Thai soccer team that is it the Ron Howard movie, but it's the

Oh, well, yes, the Ron Howard, yes. The same director says Free Solo. Yeah. And there's also Nyad this year, which is half sports movie, half survival movie. Yeah. Oh, does she get, like, lost at sea? Is that a thing? So she gets stung by a bunch of jellyfish, I think.

Yeah, yeah. She gets, like, stung by jellyfish on the face. It's... Damn. It's equal survivor movie and sport movie, I would say. What I think is interesting is some of these movies, when they do get nominated, they are sort of like acting showcases because you are essentially, a lot of these ones are like, it's just you and the elements. It's just Tom Hanks and a volleyball. It's just James Franco and, you know, a rock and whatever. And then sometimes, in the case of Life of Pie, it's everything else gets nominated and they sort of ignore the actor in it. And I don't know. It's just, I do. What? Do you guys have any thoughts about this? This is a genre.

Is this a genre that you sort of go for, don't go forward? Do we see why the Oscars like it? I mean, it feels like the Oscars can like it when it's trying to like take that extra step toward meaning. Like we were talking about which Everest does not do because it's so easy to kind of do the opposite version. I mean, I don't know if you really want to count this, but like I saw the Poseidon adventure for the first time,

like not that long ago. And that's like survival that's like really, really corny, but also just has like just enough of a layer of meaning on top of it. And that was during the era where they were nominating a lot of those, like the towering inferno. Yeah, airport. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also thought of the perfect storm, which I think was a visual effects nominee, but beyond that. That's another one where it's just like there are people on the boat and then there are the people in the like radio room back at home trying to that.

Master Antonio. Mary Elizabeth. And it's somebody else too is like, it's not Cherry Jones, but it's like. Diane Lane is, I believe, Mark Wahlberg's wife. Right. I feel like that's a cast where it's like, there are probably people in that movie

who I didn't realize were people. Like, I bet you Becky M. Baker's in that movie. Like, I won't like bet money that Becky M. Baker's in that movie. Do you want to know what's a real, like I don't think this, you could qualify as Oscar Buzz, but real Everest-style movie from the same period.

The finest hours. Oh, sure. Sure, sure. Like, not quite the perfect storm. Chris Pine, right? Chris Pine, Casey Affleck, Ben Foster, Eric Banner. John McGarrow's in there.

Absolutely. It is, I... Eric Banna in that movie could have been... I could have used his character in that for the game instead of his funny people character. I don't know if I would remember he was in it as much as I like it. No, it's true. The Perfect Storm is Clooney, Walberg, John C. Riley, Diane Lane, who is Walberg's wife, girlfriend. William Fickner, John Hawks.

I don't say, I thought John Hawks is a... that. Mary Elizabeth, Mr. Antonio, Karen Allen is a crew member on a different boat. Bob Gunton, who is one movie away from being a six-timer. That will be our weirdest six-timers club. I can't wait. Christopher McDonald.

Dash Mahawk, who is in the day after tomorrow, which is another sort of that's more disaster than survival, but still. Michael Ironside, Cherry Jones is in this movie. Oh my God, amazing. She's on a boat. No, Becky and I am frankly

galled at that outrageous I would say to your comment about a lot of these movies seeming like acting showcases I think a lot of that is because and like Life of Pie being

maybe the most successful of them interestingly I think qualifies for what I'm about to say a lot of them maybe feel that way because they were shot on sites like I'm thinking of something like wild, castaway was shot on an island, but then they break so that Tom Hanks can lose all of that weight, etc. Unbroken is a movie where they lost all that weight

too. They basically drown Robert Redford on screen in All Is Lost. You know, it's the type of movies that, of course, Oscar always falls for this of like, look at how we suffered to make this movie. We didn't put the revident on this list, but that's right up there too. Oh, we totally could have, right? That's true. Whereas Everest is one of the movies that wasn't as successful with Oscar, and Life of Pie is, like, the opposite of this, because it was so obvious that, like, the survival elements were shot in a studio. Or on a computer, like...

Yeah, right. Did you also notice, by the way, Katie, I'm sure you did, that this movie has a quasi-quatize Kate Winsomel lit come back blowing the whistle moment where they they the one guy comes back and he looks at everybody and he thinks everybody's dead and he grabs like the one person who seems like he's alive and then there's Josh Brolin who can't like call out or anything but he's he's trying to get him to come back that's all I can think of was Kate going come back Titanic not a survivalist movie even though it has a a scene of that obviously when they're

all out in the water yeah yeah I think that fits into a different box Do you think there is a world in which, do you think there was a threshold at which Averist could have been so technically marvelous as like an IMAX spectacle to have demanded like avatar style recognition? I mean, I think avatar style is kind of your tip. We're like in the exact like dip between avatars in terms of like technical wizardry at the Oscars, and we're, like, well into the Marvel period. Like, I was trying to scroll out and see what actually did get nominated.

I guess the Revenant did sort of take up that slot that year, right? Well, no, Mad Max took up that slot. I'm just all practical for the most. Yeah, Mad Max eating his lunch. But, like, they were, that was thought of and rewarded for its practical. Yeah. But it loses visual effects to X Machina, which is super cool. One of my favorite Oscar wins of the last 10 years or so.

God, it's almost. It's almost 10 years ago now. It's like eight years ago. That's the ex-Machina visual effects team are some of the people who have let me hold their Oscars at the Vanity Fair Oscar party. Really? Oh, yeah. If you stay late, it's always the like the crew, like the bloodline people who are there the latest and they're like having a great time. They're like, you want to hold my Oscar?

Sure. And they're very like careful about it. But like they're very eager to share. So yeah. Thanks for them. That's good for them. Good people. Yeah.

What is his next movie? What is Garland's next movie? He's doing civil. Civil War for A-24, I presume, will come out in 2024 because they shot it, like, I think, a year or two ago. Dunst is in it, and I don't think there's been really any other details. Though I heard a rumor that the movie has some, like, first-person shooter-type cinematography in it, which I hope is just a rumor and is not founded because no one wants that. That sounds unpleasant. Yeah. Kaby, specifically I wanted to ask you about this.

Going down the list of Universal's other movies in 2015 reminded me that this was the summer that I covered for whoever was at Comic-Con. Remember what I did like, that's the way I have my little like thank you note from Graydon Carter because I like spent a weekend or whatever a week covering news at Vanity Fair. and I remember one of the stories that year was how Universal owned the first half of the year box office-wise that there was a point where like six of the top ten at box office a year-to-date was Universal stuff where they had Furious Seven and then Jurassic World was such a huge hit and then like Pitch Perfect 2 and straight out of Compton

and minions and all this sort of stuff but wait was like oh the one thing I thought of at the very beginning of the movie So you have the universal logo, right, which is the spinning globe. And I'm like, there is no excuse for this movie to not to not have the globe. Well, the globe never shows Everest at any point. Like, it's the half of the globe that's not Asia. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean?

So, like, get creative here, folks. Like, spin the globe a little bit more and then, like, zoom in on, you know, on your location, for Christ's sake. Like, do I have to do everything around here? Oh, my God. I do want to say that Everest, uh, underground. gross Jupiter ascending in the U.S., which might not be the best evidence of its boxed up this performance. So I guess this was sort of, I guess, I maybe, we did the research, or I did the research

for this in Australia at the same time. So maybe I'm thinking of Australia where it's like, Australia was not the bomb that I remember it being. Maybe Everest was the bomb I remember it being. I do like the poster, I will say, which is the scariest part of the movie for me, which is the part where they just, like, lay this ladder, this, like, rickety ladder that looks like three ladders, like, tied together with shoelaces.

Again, why would you voluntarily do this? Over a crevasse into nothing. Like, there is, they're essentially, like, this crevasse is so deep that it is functionally bottomless. That they're, like, if there is a bottom, it just you'll be dead before you get to it. And so it's this crevasse and this rickety ladder. And then below the person on the ladder

is the descending list of, of your stars. So it's Clark, Brolin. It's Jill and gets the and or the whiff? He gets the and. He gets the and.

He gets the and looking at it. Clark, Brolin, Hawks, Wright, Watson Knightley, Sam Worthington. It is funny.

You see that chunk of women's names in the middle of that poster. It is funny. Don't go in there for them. Yeah, exactly. Hope you're not

a Kira Knightley stand going into this movie because you're not going to get very much. I want to talk about this movie opening Venice, which is why... Oh, yeah, bring up that Venice festival. While I bring that up, I feel like the second that it got booked as the Venice opener is when any type of Oscar buzz started for this movie, and it felt even at the time when people were predicting it, like, oh, yeah, Everest, it's opening Venice, so like that's

like a thing to consider. It felt insane at the time. I remember being, when I was seeing that, I was like, sometimes that's not what this always means. Listen to this jury though. The main competition jury that year was jury president Alfonso

Quaron. Seems like he would like Everest. I'm just going to say. But it wasn't in competition, right? No, I know. I just like the dude who made gravity really was who you wanted to see this movie. Elizabeth Banks, Diane Kruger, Emmanuel Carrera, Nuri Bilga, Ceylon, Paul Pavlakovsky, Francesco Munzi, Hugh Houssen, and then Lynn Ramsey. So that's some, like, intimidating film to watch this movie.

I would have been appalled on his behalf. Do the people in the jury watch the, like, the can juries and stuff like that? Do they watch the movies that, like, opened the festival because of, like, the ceremony of it all? Do they, like, bring the jury and, like, have them, like, have them, like, stand up and take a bow at the jury at least does the red carpet. Did they have to go watch Scott Cooper's Black Mask, which also played...

I'm saying, stuff like that, right? Exactly, exactly. This is a good competition year, I will say. More or less, like, I look at a bigger splash and I'm like, oh, maybe it's I'm just looking at a bigger splash. Yeah, maybe not everything else is that great.

Yeah, the Danish girls in there. Everyone loves that. Danish girl. We're all a big fan of that one. Danish girl, Beast of No Nation, Amnalesa. Yeah, maybe this is not my favorite. Yeah, okay. All right.

But a bigger splash. Rules. Yeah. Bigger splash does rule. Yeah. That would have been my golden lion. Worthy golden lion, absolutely. Yeah, yeah.

God, there's an Atomagoyan movie that I don't, ironically called remember. You've made, like, 30 movies you never, you never seen. I think this is the one, remember is the one, I think, with Christopher Plummer. It is, yes. There you go. Oh, this is the year of that movie Equals with Nicholas Holt and a... Oh, the Drake-Dorimus movie that I watched at Tiff. Yeah, they're like working in like a dystopian office, something?

Yes, and it's about like clones or Androids or something. Yeah, it's like an T-84 thing, they're like not supposed to have emotions. It's one of those things where it's like, it's the future, but in the future they've outlawed love. Like that kind of thing. It's just like they've decided that love is a complication that the human race. can do without, which is a practical thing to try to eliminate the humanity. Yeah, exactly. But like so many of those are about that because then it's just like, oh, well, now we have to fight for love. Yeah. It's sort of, it's, it's one click away from the movies that are like,

we should be together except I can't go outside or else I'll die, like that kind of thing. Which is like the most popular YA plot ever. Yeah. Oh, wow, Guy Pearce and Jackie. We are both in that. Speaking of, now, it's sort of that thing where you buy, you like, your family, when you're a kid, your family gets a car, and then you look in, like, all the other car, you, like, see that car everywhere. After doing this last

quiz, all I see are Australian actors everywhere, where I'm just like, oh, they really are everywhere. You really couldn't do a Jackie Weaver or other Australian, though, because there's only one Jackie Weaver. You cannot possibly forget. All it would be, it would be, Stoker, and it would be, like, Phyllis Somerville and Jackie Weaver, and, like, all of the, like,

that's... Phyllis Somerville is not Australian to my knowledge, but she is sort of like I feel like they operate. They could have played sisters. Out of a niche, they could have. Yeah, exactly. Also, out of competition at this Venice is the Best Picture winner's spotlight and

Frederick Weissman's in Jackson Heights masterpiece. Oh, maybe my favorite of the Weissmans, of the late stage Weissmans. Also, Noah Bombach's Brian De Palma documentary. Oh, yeah. Which is it's literally like they set up a go

pro in front of Brian De Palma and said talk, and that's all the movie is. It's very entertaining, but it is not excellent. It is very entertaining. God, Black Mass. Speaking of Joel Edgerton. That Black Mass is a movie I saw at Toronto, and I was like, I don't know, it's pretty good. And then everyone else was like, you moron, we're forgetting the movie ever existed.

I was like, was that, had Scott Cooper, was that his next one after Crazy Hard, or had he already sort of fallen out of favor? I think this was after out of the furnace. right which I was on board with Out of the Furness I tried to watch out of the furnace and I had to stop watching out of the furnace I went to the set of out of the furnace where they filmed it where John Fetterman was mayor of the town where they filmed it back then no kidding It's like a russing out, rust about town, and now look where... That feels like a very John Futterman movie, Fetterman. Oh, yeah. I almost said John Futterman like Dan Futterman.

Fetterman. That movie, like, is a very like, I'm going to wear cargo shorts to work kind of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think he's, like, very authentically made into town where John Fetterman was the mayor. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. It has that going for it. Maybe we should do black mass next year.

Oh, no. Katie, do not commit yourself if you don't... Oh, can you talk about it? Just pointing that out. Can we talk about Katie specifically to a thing that we have talked about in the past in the scene in the medical tent? First of all, I love that scene in the medical tent because Elizabeth Debicki could not be less impressed with Josh Brolin like doing like mountain climbers while he's waiting to be like checked or whatever. She's like, yes, we get it. You're very much in shape.

Like calm down. John Hawks doing pushups though. I was like, oh. See, that's, it's all perception, right? Because I'm literally like, get out of here, Josh Brolin. And I'm like, aw, John Hawks. But the song that's playing in that tent, while this is all happening, Cheryl Crow's all I want to do.

Now, Cheryl Crows All I Want to Do was released two years before this movie takes place. So it is completely kosher. Completely makes sense. And Katie and I are very much on the patrol of- I want the listeners to go see Saltburn and just bear in mind that is supposed to be taking place in roughly June 2007 and hear the songs in it and ask yourself, did that song exist in June 2007? And then please report back. Did Superbad exist in a home video format in summer of 2007? Surely it did not. So there we go. All right. What else did we, what are our other

stray thoughts about Everest that we want to get to before we get into the? The frostbite sound effects and Josh Brolin pulls and stuff out of the other. I had to look away. It was overwhelming. the part where they like dip his hands in the warm water and I'm just like I know it's really that's how you know that movie's getting to you it's really effective meanwhile I'm the person who like has to pick up ice cubes

off the floor if they fall down or whatever and I'm just like oh cold you know what I mean it's just like I am not built for that happen to the list of reasons you're not climbing Everest I am not touch ice I had to I had to one time unclog you know how like next to the washing machine like the water dumps out

into a bit a basin do you have one of those things, whatever. So that was clogged the one time, and it was full of very cold water. And I had to, like, really, like, just plunge my hands in and, like, figure out, like, what the situation was. And you basically have climbed Everest. You've endured the worst that the Earth has to offer. Thank you. And I just remember her being, like, oh, so this is, like, how cold your hands can get and, like, you don't, like, feel them for a second. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. It's just like, oh, you have to, like, shake them back into. I'm a baby. I was more imagining that it would just be gross. Like, Samara from the ring reaches up.

Well, it was also, it is. You basically pull up, like, Samara from the Rings. Speaking of Martin Anderson. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Worst way to die.

Martin Henderson getting, uh, killed by Samara Climbing through the TV screen at the end of the ring. Or like falling off of the mountain on. He's so crazy by that. Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't know what's happening to him. Like, John Hawks kind of like accidentally slipping that. Although he's also not totally in his right mind.

Right. They're both, they're both mountain crazy. Yeah. like freezing to death seems horrible and I don't want to do it but there's also some level of being like you don't really know what's happening to you by then Well right at some point like you just sort of like

you are faded out by that point They start ripping off their clothes and saying Waves is going to win best picture That was the Okay I've talked about this maybe on the podcast before That was the best case I've ever seen of festival brain where, like, that movie went through a hype cycle, a backlash cycle, and a backlash to the backlash

cycle in the span of a day. Before TIF was over. Yeah. It was like there was an early screening and a later screening. And it was like, and it was by the time we got through the end of the later screening, it had gone through an entire cycle. Yeah, I think I was in the earlier screening. And I saw, I think I saw it with David Sims, who like at some point near the end, like just

let out this very loud sigh. I was like, oh, thank God. Okay. We're on the same page. Like, I don't have to keep this to myself. Some people were like, waves, man, like, it's going to have, like, it's a, it's major. I know. And I felt really bad because, like, those people, like, we got out of the screen and we were like, excuse me?

They're like, what? What? I didn't do anything. People were like, Frank Ocean gave his whole catalog to that movie and they ran with it. And it's just like, and the thing about waves is that movie is two halves of a movie, one of which I think is distinctly better than the other one. Yes. But also people couldn't agree with which half of the movie. Like the best?

I think the second half is a lot better than the first half, but like the first half had already lost me by then mostly. Right. The second half is also like twice as long as it needs to be too. Well, that is also true. But the second half is in a prominent role. Right. That's what's going on the second half.

I love Taylor Russell. Taylor Russell's fantastic in that. That was the first thing I had seen her in, I think, right? Waves is the movie where like I've been told that Kelvin Harrison Jr. is going to be a big thing. and I believe it. We always are told that. And I'm like, I'm waiting patiently to see what we make that feel true.

You know what? That's not true. He's really good in the trial of Chicago 7. I'm sorry. He is. Wait, who is he in the trial of the Chicago 7? He is Fred Hampton. And he's not in it for very long because he wants to go to jail.

Kelvin Harrison? Yeah. Calvin Harrison Jr. is Fred Hampton. I'm on his Wikipedia page right now. Oh, wild. I thought that was. Sorry, go ahead. He's also really good at Elvis as BB King.

I'm remembering that as well. That's true. I like Helen Harrison. I just think he's in not great movies a lot of the time. Did anybody see Chevalier in this room? I did. It was the most roll out a TV on a cart for a fifth grade social studies classroom movie I've ever seen. I wasn't not entertained, but the anachronisms in it were wild because it was trying to play it straight, but also talking out of the other side of its mouth.

It was trying to be like to be like. straight, okay. Contemporary. Fascinating. Fascinating. Okay. Um, I think we've talked about everybody. I'm glad also, Katie, that you mentioned Jake Gyllenhaal taking a shirt off on the mountain, which was, at the very least, like, listen, thank you for that. He knows what he's working with. Jake knows. He does. He knows his audience. That's fine. We're all into it. And yeah, works for me. Chris, anything. I keep starting to say Katie when I want to say Chris. And so it comes out, like, Karen, and it's just like, nope, it's not going to work. Like, I don't call either of us, that's her.

Literally, why would you do this? No, seriously, I mean it. Why would you ever do this? Yeah. And that's all I have to say. Have any of you ever climbed a mountain, like, not climbed a mountain wall, like a rock wall and like a discovery zone kind of a thing? Yeah, like even when I was 18, I was not strong enough to do it.

And there's no way I could do it now. I've never, I've never tried that. It's never appealed to me, but I've also never tried it. So maybe I would discover something, but I'm also the person who, like, dreaded the day in gym where they broke out, like, the wall with the pegs that you had to try and climb up. Do you guys have a rope in gym class? No, that was like a myth. That's why we did that. Thank God.

We had a rope. And, like, thinking of that now, I'm breaking into hives, A, because I couldn't do it. And I was like, they were like, if you just touch the rope, you get a C. I was like, great, bye. But also the idea of sending, like, a third grader up 40 feet in the air on a rope in a gym class. Yeah. I was in crazy. I was in – I was in – so the middle stage between Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts is something called Weebelows, but nobody ever says Weebelos because it sounds like Weebelos.

So I'd just say I was in Cub Scouts. But I was in, like, middle school junior highish or whatever. I never, I did not advance to Boy Scouts. I did not want to do Boy Scouts. But so one of the things to like for your fitness merit badge was, and you're all like in like, you're in your little pack, right? Essentially, it's just like whatever like volunteer dad from the neighborhood wants to like put up with kids once a month or whatever. And so we're all in this guy's like basement or whatever, whatever, don't make it weird. Who has like a pull-up bar.

And so the activity is that everybody's got to do pull-ups. for their fitness merit badge. No. And so all of these people who are like, no sweat, just like pull-ups, and like seventh grade, which first of all, seventh graders shouldn't have the upper body strength to do pull-ups. I'm sorry. And like, everybody could.

You're doing damage to them. There am I, like, a fucking leg of lamb in a butcher's window, just sort of like hang in there. And it's just not happening for this guy whatsoever. And I'm just sort of like, and the absolute humiliation of me like dangling their, not moving long enough for the guy to be like, all right, that's fine. Just like go and stand over there. And it's just like, oh, man.

You did it, kid. And I thought that this would be a nice story. I was picturing Little Baby Joe Reed as like a Moonrise Kingdom child. Nope. Nope. Is it too late to throw out a real detour about an actor who's an Everest? No, do it. Are we worried about Jake and the movies that he has and has not made over the last couple years?

All right, let's do it. Are you talking about Ambu-L-A.N.? Which I did not see, nor did I see Guy Ritchie's The Covenant, which came out this year. Oh, that one made me worried. But people who are worried. People who are not us liked Ambu L-A-Ns more than we did. And I, who did not like Ambu L-A-Ns, liked Jake in it. Okay.

Like, I thought he was good in it. But you're not wrong in that he does seem like he's kind of losing his mind a little bit. He's in a roadhouse remake that's coming out from Doug Lyman. That he's like getting weirdly like ripped for like he's like he's doing these. It's got like an MMA theme. Oh no, UFC. And he's like living the gimmick. Yeah. There was the thing where for Everest where they're the one note that I read where like he and Brolin like started like climbing the mountains in Santa Monica, which first of all, the mountains in Santa Monica shut up. Um, to prepare for this. But like he does seem to be the type to like get like remember when he did that boxing movie and he got all like

vaney south paul same year as everest oh god and like we could do that for this podcast but i don't want to because like that movie i never saw that movie he's doing the presumed innocent mini series i just don't i don't know i don't know what we got going on jake like i feel like he's got all the potential in the entire world to do whatever he wants and when he's got eight billion in things on his IMDB that are in some level of post-production, pre-production, in development. Two Guy Richie things in post-production. Is that just like a staple for whatever the movie that was actually released? Yeah, could be. Sometimes movies have multiple things on IMTB. He's marked down to play the Robert Evans role in a project called Francis and the Godfather,

which I imagine was a competing project to the one that was on Paramount Plage. This is absolutely that Katie let me interview Matthew Good for, which was very fun, except for the day of and the, like, getting the Zoom to work. Getting the Zoom to work to him forever. He was very patient and lovely through the whole process. He was. I loved him. Yeah. Yeah, he's, okay, so this movie is only in pre-production.

So, like, this is probably, like, who does? And it's also a Barry Levinson joint, so, nope. Whatever. We'll see it soon on HBO. grain assault, grain assault, grain assault. But it's Jillen Hall is Robert Evans. Oscar Isaac Francis as Francis Ford Coppola

El Fanning as Allie McGraw I don't know about any of this. None of this feels right. No. Elizabeth Moss is Eleanor Coppola. That actually does like Elizabeth Moss is Eleanor Coppola. Like do that movie where she like makes the documentary while they're filming like Apocalypse now.

Like that's fine. I don't know about any of this. Yeah. And I'm the person who like liked the Godfather TV show well enough mostly because of Matthew Good is Robert Evan. That's what everybody said. I still never watched it. The last time I saw Jake Jill and Hall movies was in 2018 with Wildlife and the Sisters Brothers,

a movie. A movie I love and nobody has ever seen. The Sisters Brothers is a good movie. I love that movie. Can I tell you what's not a good movie is the guilty, the Netflix movie that he made during the one, the second pandemic Tiff, the poster for it already is really turning me off here. Bad movie, bad twist. The original was bad. He plays a super weird.

and Velvet Buzzsaw. We've been talking a lot about Velvet Buzzsaw lately. Have you guys talked about the Sundance video of him correcting the pronunciation of the director? Dan Gilroy? Yeah. Amazing. We have talked about that before, but not in...

Here is also where I'm going to yet again tell people to go watch John Mullaney on the Sack Launch Bunch bunch, where Jake Jelenhall plays a character named Mr. Music, who is out of his mind and who is, like, essentially like disassociating with his job. There is music here, music there, music, music everywhere.

Use your ear, be aware you're making music everywhere. When you tap a pen on a paperback book, not too loud, but you get the point. Toss a dress shirt in a laundry sack. Subtle sound that may feel. find something as... Why aren't we getting more Jake like this? Why does this not happen in feature films? He's a weird person.

It's very like Okja, Jake. Like, I feel like you could do a taxonomy of, like, the kinds of jakes you're getting, where it's, like, masculine Jake and, like, Weirdo Jake. Broadway Jake. And, and, like, and every role goes

to one side or the other, or if your wildlife, plays with both of them in a way that, like, Wildlife, he's so good. Terrific. Loved him in that. Oh, more of that. Yep.

I will say, I didn't like the Spider-Man movie that he did, but I thought he was fun in it. Maybe there's too many of those that I'm naming, because, like, ambulance is the same way, where I'm just like, didn't like the movie, but I liked him in it, so. Oh, I've still never seen that Spider-Man. I never did. It's the middle one. It's, I think, kind of boring. He's not in the one with all the Spider's Men, the last one? He's not in the one with all the Spider's Men.

He's in, like, the very beginning, but it's just footage from the movie before it. Okay. What is this movie, Prophet, where he plays somebody named John Prophet? Fuck you, I'm the Prophet. Basically. Nothing else to it, just that. Film based on the comic book character John Prophet. Okay, well, there we go.

Yeah, Jake, I don't know. Come back to us, Jake. Come back to us, Jake. He and Kiran Knightley both have time to come back around. Oh, my God, a Jake Joan Hull-Kira Knightley movie. Huh? I would watch that. Anything. Do anything. Come on, guys. With Joe Wright. Joe Wright, direct Kira Knightley

and Jake Dilley and something. Yeah. Yeah, done. Jake in a Joe Wright movie would be sensational. I think so. I'd be into it. I'd be into it. All right. All right. So if nothing else, we can move on to the IMDB game. Chris, why don't you list out the rules for the IMDB game?

All right. Every week we end our episodes with the IMDB game where we challenge each other with an actor or actress to try to guess the top four titles that IMDB B says they are most known for. If any of those titles are television, voice-only performances, or non-acting credits, we'll mention that up front. After two wrong guesses, we get the remaining titles release years as a clue, and if that's not enough, it's just a free-for-all of hints.

It is a free-for-all of hints. Katie, as our guest, you get the choice to decide whether you want to go first or go last, and which direction this little round-robin should go in. I think I will go first, and I will give two. Joe. I want to go first because I will then give to Chris and then Chris will give to you. Okay. I feel like I've chosen some of you guys might have done before so I want to know

ahead of time so I can regroup if needed. Okay. So I was thinking about Josh Brolin and also Venice premieres. So I started thinking about Dune and there are some excellent photos that we ran of Josh Brolin at Venice, palling around with his Dune co-star

Oscar Isaac. Have you guys done Oscar Isaac? Maybe not in a long time um let me look yeah not not since we would uh it would have changed if you don't remember it then it counts not since okay you know what's funny um we did it in the about time episode and it was for me so there's every chance that you picked it back then that's really funny for me i wonder i guess i did star wars to from donald gleason i have all i have definitely already forgotten it so if you want to still do it i can't if you want to pick somebody else you can't do it

Do it. Okay. All right. Oscar Isaac. I mean, it's also very plausible that it's different than what it was. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to guess inside Lewin Davis is one of them.

Yes, indeed. Terrific. His best performance. Chris Files' favorite Cohen movie? Quite possibly. Quite possibly. I'm going to guess the Force Awakens. Wrong.

Oh, God. All right. So now I have to decide whether to guess another Star Wars movie or to move on. tried not to torture you. Checked ahead. X-Men Apocalypse? No, no, thank God. How lucky is he that he had like weird makeup, so nobody ever remembers he was in that movie?

Unfortunately, I will always remember that he was in that because it was so bad. And I was like, yeah, my God. All right. So what are my years? Okay, your years are 2014, 2014, and 2017. 2017 is the last Jedi. Yes, that is your Star War. Damn it.

All right. Two 2014's. A most violent year? Yes. A most violent year. Good call. And then the other one is... You know what?

This I'm TV date is like a slightly misleading, I'm realizing. Oh, was it a movie that didn't really come out until 2015? Yes. To my memory, yes. Ex Machina. Yes. It played like Fantastic Fest or something. Yeah, because we were just talking about it as a 2015 Oscar nominee.

And then I'll say, wait a second. That doesn't make any sense. All right. Yeah, well done. Okay, thank you. I definitely don't remember any of those. I did not assume you did. Chris, for you, I went down the John Crackauer rabbit hole of books of his that had been turned into movies, one of which was the 2007 movie Into the Wild, a movie that has a large and sprawling cast, many of whom we have done before. But the one of the ones that we haven't, at least, is Zach Galafanacus.

Oh, wow. So your challenge. In that movie. I remember that. He is good in that movie. A lot of people are good in that movie. I don't remember him in that movie. I didn't really care for that movie.

I did care. He's like a green silo guy. No television but one voice rule. Oh, okay. What is his voice? The hangover is there. Yes. Is due date there?

Yes. Okay. So. You love your Todd Phillips, Zach Galfinacus movies. you go. Is Birdman in there? Yes. I really don't like Galaphanacus, so if I get a perfect score on Galaphanacus.

I did too. Wow. Birdman, I think, is one of those movies that does show up for everybody on the poster. Maybe not Emma Stone. I will say, I don't always love Zach Galaphanacus character, but when I do like him, I quite like him. He was in that movie with the kid from United States of Terra where they're in the mental hospital together. Oh, yeah. Oh, right. It's, kind of a funny story. Uh-huh. Yes. Yeah. The voice performance, I remember not realize, I remember there's a movie

that I didn't realize it was him until the end of it. That tends to be the Zett Galaphanacus voice role, like, wheelhouse, yes. So I know I'm not going to get a perfect score um unless he did like a minions movie but i don't think he's known for minions it's not like sausage party um is it unfortunately you're getting zero hints because i know i'm doing very well i watch a lot of animated movies as a parent and i feel like i should know this and I don't. I wonder if it's like Peter Rabbit or something. It feels like he would have to be a significant character for it to show up on his

known for, or this is just an animated movie that has made quite a bit of money. I feel like maybe he wasn't like a raunchy, but what were the recent Pixar movies? tend to do decently well I'll just say like Toy Story 4 Not Toy Story 4 but that's a very good guess That does seem like the kind of thing he would be in Yeah like he would be a teddy bear

Or like a stuffed bunny in Toy Story 4 Um What's another pixel Finding Dory Not Finding Dory So two strikes So your missing year is 2017

Okay so semi recent, what were the animated movies that year? I will say, this is a movie I really like, but I do feel like it's fallen out of cultural memory. It was, it's related to a bigger thing that is also kind of fallen out of cultural memory, probably because its sequel was not good. Oh, we're going to fight with you about that. Oh, really? Oh, okay, interesting. This is really not getting me there. But, okay, so there was a, you're just, you're just, You're correct in your assumption that he's playing a prominent character in the movie.

Like, he is, uh, essentially the main antagonist in this movie. Yeah. But is it, is it, like, Despicable Me Too? No. It's not as, like, go beyond the, like, the traditional animated, uh, stop motion. a little bit. No, I looked at that, sorry. No, I'm, I think, did you say the word spin-off already?

No, but it is a spinoff of a hit, of a big hit. Okay, so there is like an IP, so it's like, it's not a despicable me, it's a layer of IP. Think multiple layers of IP is exactly right, yeah. Was it originally sourced in like a video game? No. No, although there are video games for this IP, but the original thing is not a video game. The original product is not a video game.

It's not the Peanuts movie. No, you're thinking too... Not unclassy, but... It's tough to pin this down because it's a very specific cultural product. There really isn't any other... The first one was an original song Oscar nominee? It was. Got it. It was surprisingly not an animated feature nominee.

Is it Muppets Most Wanted? No, Muppets is not considered animated. Yeah, right. But it is a voice. But it would be a voice. You're right. Although the celebrities tend to just play themselves in Muppet movies. You also would have told me it wasn't animated. Yeah, no, it definitely animated. So, the original, let me try to figure out what the original, very original IP is. Is it a video game?

No. No. Comic book. No. Kind of. Oh, well, this is like the merging of two IP. This is, yeah, the two layers of IP. The second layer of IP is comic book stuff, but like, the,

The main layer is not comic book. It's not the emoji. No, but you're really, you're getting it somewhere. I'm circling the quality. A type of thing. Yeah, higher quality than an emoji movie. But very much like, why would you make a movie based on this? But it's so good.

Yeah. This one is especially. Kind of one of the earliest of the, why would you make a movie based on this? It actually turned out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. From people who have become known for that. Yes. Oh, is it like Lord and Miller?

It is Lord and Miller. What did Lord and Miller first? Not first, but like... So before like Spiderverse and... Yeah, this is the animated movie they made before Spider-Verus. This is probably what got them, Spider-Verse. And is it animation style like Spider-Verse? Like, is it...

No, no. It's more like you would think it would be. stop motion based on the IP. It's computer animated designed to look like stop motion. Yeah. Because of the IP that it's based on. It's supposed to look like stop motion. Right. I am so in the weeds. There is a live action element featuring. Go back to guessing types of things that it could be based on. Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true. There's a lie that. Oh, it's a Lego movie. Yes. But

that's not the movies I don't know. I hate how hard that was to get me to the Lego movie. He was he voice in the Lego movie? He's not in the Lego movie. He's in a spin-off of the Lego movie. He's in a spin-off of the Lego movie. I'm going to go eat a knife.

What's the big spin-off of the Lego? The Lego Batman movie. The Lego Batman movie. He's the voice of the Joker. Lego Batman movie is really good. It is really good. I like it a lot. It's my favorite of all of those.

I think Lego movie is really funny. Lego Batman movie is significantly better than Lego. Tiffany Haddish. is really great in the Lego, in the second Lego movie. That's fair. Wait, is it not Taraji? No, Taraji is the villain.

Oh, Taraji's the villain in Reckett Ralph, Reckett Ralph, too. And in the Paw Patrol movie. Taraji's the villain. Oh, I haven't seen the Paw Patrol movie. No, she's the right. Listen, number one at the box office for everybody playing the Veltry movie fancy game.

All right, well, I'm exhausted. Chris, why don't you give Katie a quiz? So to select this, speaking of movies with large casts, I went into the one really significant awards nomination for Everest, and that was the stunt ensemble nomination at SAG. Also nominated were Furious 7, Jurassic World, Mission Impossible Rogue Nation, and then the winner Mad Max Fury Road. I had to dig through multiple cast members because we've done actually a lot of them. Someone we haven't done, however, is Riley Keough. Oh, I wondered if, I don't know why her name was the one that I thought of. Okay.

Is there any television? There's no television. Wild. She's an Emmy nominee for a television show. Zola. Well, was she a nominee? She got nominated for Daisy Jones and the Six. Oh, right.

For those Emmys that will never happen. That still not happen. Okay, Zola. Incorrect, no Zola. Oh, Jesus Christ. I'm really going to be in the weeds now. Is she in Magic Mike XXL?

She's not. Okay. Now I get four years because I am lost. Your years are 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2017. Oh, no.

Think of what got me to Riley Keough. Oh, Batman Max Fury Road. Yeah, Matt McSerie Road. All right. Thank you for my gimmee. Okay. Is she an American Honey? American Honey. Okay.

She's great in American Honey. She's really good in American Honey. A really good villain in American Honey. Yeah. So, you're two 2017s. One of these is from a director whose film we all dogged on in this episode. Just now? Yes.

Is it Scott Cooper? No. Oh. Who else's films have we been talking on? I feel like we've gotten on so many radicals. This is a movie I feel like I recently was like, I actually liked this movie and everybody hated it. Oh, is it waves? Wait, we dogged on this director in this movie, in this episode?

Yes. Was it waves? Yes. Oh, so Trey Edward Schultz? He did do waves. Is she in Cretia? No. What was between Creecia and Waves?

I don't have the first clue. Oh, wait. I always dogg on this movie. Sort of. It's supposed to me. Starring Joel Edgerton. Oh, no. It's not it follows.

Is it it follows? No, but you're very close to it. called. What's that first word? It's such a generic. It happened one night. You're so much closer now. First and end. First and last. It lives at... No? It comes at night? Yes, it comes at night. That was some madlips. That was real madlipsy. Okay, 2017 is a movie I would be willing to bet every one of us likes quite a bit. I love it. Okay. A 2017 movie. I said, I know from ensemble, big ensemble.

Big ensemble, a director's return to cinema. Everybody but one person in it is really good. Correct. Okay. 2017, it's not an Oscar-y movie, I'm guessing, but that's how I'm going to order it. It should have been. It should have been an Oscar-y movie. But, like, the genre doesn't lend itself to Oscars, but this filmmaker definitely is always.

It's not the post. which is a 2017 movie with a million people in it. Right. That is a 2017. I wouldn't say it has a million people in the post though. No. That would have been amazing. Not really.

It doesn't have a million people in it, but it has maybe 10ish people. Is it a Soderberg? It is a Soderberg. Oh, so, oh, it's Logan Lucky. Logan Lucky. That's why I was thinking she was in a magic mic. Everybody, but Seth McFarlane are so good in that. I know.

Oh, Riley. I can't believe Zola's not on there. That's crazy. Zola was pretty small. I was just, I remember that being the first movie where I was like, oh, her. Like, she's got something. Oh, interesting. See, it's because you didn't see American Honey.

American Honey was the one where I was like, oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. All right, you guys, this was so much fun. We climbed the mountain. We're here at the top. We descended. No, no cans of O needed.

Okay, that's the other thing. No O. Like, just. You could say anything else for oxygen. No ox, no O2, no something. No O just lends itself to poor communication on, like, radios that are probably already struggling to have a good signal, right? Like, that really bothered me. Jordan Sparks, how am I supposed to breathe with no O?

With no O. Anyway, Katie Rich, for the sixth year in a row, you are our favorite Thanksgiving tradition. What would you like to say to the people in terms of where you, you know, you should direct them to. What should they be listening to and reading and whatnot? Well, I'm on the Little Gold Men podcast at Vanity Fair talking about this year's Oscar race, which hopefully if you're listening to this, you know that already on the Fighting in the Warroom podcast, talking about kind of whatever we want, which is the great beauty of the fighting in the war room podcast. Have you, have you guys plugged our screen drafts coming up yet that

people should listen to the three of us? No, but we should because it's been announced. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We will all be on screen drafts talking about Scorsese movies. So when I'm not online, I am frantically trying to watch Scorsese movies, which has been both incredibly rewarding and incredibly intimidating and a time suck. Come find us in January on screendress. We'll be having a good time. We'll be recording until three in the morning to try to get through all these movies. We should also mention that the Little Gold Men mini league in the Vulture Fantasy League is the second biggest mini league. That's right.

Second only to the Gary's League. So yeah. Yeah, I was, as of this recording or whenever I last looked, I was leading my fellow hosts on that show because I drafted eras and nobody else did. But we'll see how long that last. And then, yeah, I'm on

Twitter for now, maybe not much longer, and then also in Blue Sky, which I'm trying to use more of at Katie Rich, K-A-T-Y-R-R-C. I should say, seeing the fighting in the War Room reunion in NYC in person, was very heartwarming. We've been recording that podcast for 13 years, which people think podcast didn't exist 13 years

ago. And let me tell you, they did. Unbelievable. Wow. Yeah, I mean, that's the great thing about that podcast is we've known each other for a really long time. We've been doing it. We follow every tangent imaginable.

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