This Had Oscar Buzz - 265 – Brideshead Revisited

Episode Date: November 27, 2023

We all know that Oscar fawns over costume dramas of literary adaptations… or so we tell ourselves when forming predictions and one with a whiff of prestige arrives. In 2008, director Julian Jerrold delivered a new adaptation of Evelyn Waugh’s Brideshead Revisited with an up-and-coming young cast paired with Dame Emma Thompson as the devoutly religious Lady … Continue reading "265 – Brideshead Revisited"

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That is honestly the best description I could possibly get for this movie, considering the other options were unyielding Catholic and... Oh, well, that's true. Pneumatic. What do you call somebody who has pneumonia? Sick? Well, I was going to say tubercular, but it's not quite tuberculosis. Ciculosis, right? It's pneumonia that poor Sebastian has in Moronio. Mnionic.

Sickly F. Slur. Like, the options here aren't great. They're not great. Netflix animated contender pneumonia. No, that doesn't work. That's just the sickness. That's... Lars von Trier's pneumonia. Numencolia. it's just a wheezing planet that is that is making its way into our orbit not pneumatic because that's like a thing that moves right right that's like the tubes that you send messages through in the 50s or whatever sure listen they still use those things in hospitals nurses or people who work in hospitals get back to us as to what's the adjectival form of pneumonia Person who has active pneumonia. No, those people, rest. If you have active pneumonia, just get your rest.

Get better, get well. But like, what would you call such a person? Oh, I see. I thought you were asking the active people who actively have pneumonia in our listenership to get better. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. If you actively have pneumonia while listening to the show, first of all, get at us for the bragging rights. Everyone will be like, oh, hope you feel better.

but also we hope that we are a comfort to you in your current state but also get better I can't believe we got this far off the rails like a minute into this episode Of all the things that we could have immediately gotten into

Of all the things Wealth, affluence queer things We get into pneumonia I have an I have an interesting opinion about this Which is that especially watching this movie so close to having seen saltburn, and saltburn is very, very much, like, takes the exact same premise as this and just sort of, like, updates it and then, like, does 20...

Would you say it's more Bridehead, or is it more Ripley? Because I have not seen Salt Burn. The setup for it is exactly the same setup as this. Down to, like, Oxford students, come visit me for the summer. look at there's my sister like you know it's it's the setup is very that not we are recording this uh listeners we're coming to you from the far past but somehow in the future because a we're recording these out of order but we're recording them way in advance right now so like you may have seen salt burn who knows maybe i'll have been lucky to have seen salt burn uh with my life, such as it is, and, uh, because it will have now reached wide release the day before Thanksgiving, fun times to be had by all.

Saltburn goes in the same cultural bucket this year as the Showtime series fellow travelers that I just reviewed recently, which is, um, my first reaction is damn that's hot and that's probably like, it, it means like the quality of the actual, like, Uh, the rest of the movie is, is probably a little bit less, but sometimes you just want something that's like super hot and sexy and fun and that's, I would recommend both and sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. Sometimes that's enough. And like, they're not bad. The rest of it it's not bad. Like Saltburn is like at worst, you know, a good time. It's fresh. There are things that frustrate, but... I've seen plenty of people who don't like the movie, but I think

I've even seen, I've seen harsher negative critiques of promising young woman than I've seen of this movie, but it's not a... Well, Promising Young Woman is trying for something, like, I think the harsher critiques of promising young women, I think, are in some ways a reaction to, oh, that movie thought it did something. You know what I mean? Whereas, like, Saltburn doesn't think it's doing something. Like, that's, you know what I mean? Well, the harshest critique of Saltburn that's, like, now going around. viral is Paul Schrader saying something to the effect of it's trying to do the anti-Ripley that it's like the person who's coming over and winning over the rich people is actually the less interesting one whereas like Ripley is here's how this poor person can come in and charm rich people and deceive them right and he's like it's an interesting he his thing was like

it's it's an interesting proposition that shouldn't work and it doesn't I enjoy Paul Schrader, and I certainly respect him on many levels. He's not somebody who I look for to... He's not necessarily not going to be... His batting average isn't great when it comes to, like, observing the world right now. You know what I mean? I appreciate him more as a filmmaker. Well, I mean, I appreciate him as, you know, a public commenter.

Chaos agent? Yeah, sure. But more as entertainment often. than as, you know. He's the benign version of all of the awful, not benign, benign's the wrong word. He's the better version of all of the awful boogeymen of film criticism who we talk about. You know what I mean? It's just like Paul Schrader's there, but Paul Schrader, it's the same crank impulse, right? We sort of look to Schrader, we wind him up, and then we sort of like, look at him go, and it's just...

Yeah, like, at least you can have fun with that. And I think at his heart, Paul Schrader is not an evil person. But, like, there was another Armand White flare up recently that I noticed. And I was like, you guys fucking fall for this every time. Every time people fall for an Armand White thing. Okay, here's my thing with Armin White, though, is do people get mad at him anymore? Or do we just sort of pass these things around and be in, like, Armands at it again? Because that's sort of what I generally see.

I saw, like, actual outrage and, like, people trying to out his. him to be like, Armand White is a gay Republican. And it's like, well, yeah. Well, yeah, he is. Armin White has been around for forever. Like, we knew all of this shit. You shouldn't be falling for it. Like, don't even read it. Like, at this point, don't fall for Jeff Wells either. Just like, don't read it. Don't, don't let them rock your name. But, okay. Wells, I saw a thing recently where it was his reaction to the Gothams, the Gotham nominations. The Gotham nominations, by the way, in which I was also a crank about, although in a different way. And so I was reading it with somewhat trepidiously of just like, oh, God, please don't let me and Wells be angry about the same goddamn thing about the Gothams.

And thankfully, you know, that train is always on time with him. What is he mad about? He's a mad about wokeness, of course. The nominees for the Gotham Awards are too woke. Apparently Jeff Wells wanted the Gotham Awards to be a little bit more reactionary. or something, I don't know. Like, Jesus Christ, man. I mean, he probably thought that, like, his two woke nominee, I hate using...

I mean, I hate when people use that as pejorative, and I hate to repeat it back. So it's like, I just felt like I vomited in my mouth. It's ridiculous. When people speak that way, you're just insane. But also, like, the one that probably did it for him, because he's such a deranged person, was, like, Ryan Gosling and Barbie. No, that's the thing. that was the sign. No, that was what I was worried about, that he was going to be like, oh, God, here they go. They capitulated a big Barbie, which is sort of my complaint, but not from the same angle. Like, I, obviously, obviously, I don't hate Barbie because it's like, girly, leftist propaganda. I think that the Gotham's are stupid for nominating something from a big fucking studio and the biggest moneymaker of the entire year. Like, Jesus Christ.

Sure, sure we talked about it in our vulture insert. Be less desperate. A few weeks ago. Time is a flat circle. Time is a flat circle. No, he was mad about like a thousand and one. He was mad about that kind of stuff. He was like, you know.

That's a great movie. That's a great performance. He was mad about past lives. Everybody watched 1001 currently on Amazon. But people like that don't think that people genuinely like those things. They think they are performatively, you know. idiot can't can't fathom the idea that somebody you know genuinely think that it's a great movie anyway what was the maryl street new york film critics win that arm and white booed her at the

award ceremony as she like goes to accept the award or like said something insulting about her i don't remember but he also called um who was the one he called a garbage man steve mcqueen right oh yes right didn't he call steve mcqueen a garbage bitch man. And people are surprised this man is gay. That type of behavior only says gay mess. Like, listen, there are gay Republicans who are, who are awful in a non-George Santos kind of way. And, uh, but some of them are are gay messes. And, and there we have arm and white. Okay, we got a, we got a real life as if he was a rocky and bullwinkle villain. that whole thing I swear to God

people no we can't do it we can't do it I can't allow myself to get dragged into the tangent I do think stealing the baby was actually funny okay in a vacuum that's a very like I want to clip that but not yet comment Chris Files saying I do think stealing the baby

was actually funny this is the problem with George Santos no I'm going to do it fine this is the problem everything is the problem with George Santos everybody is half a click away from being like work you know, with George Santos. And I'm just like, no, stop it.

That's fucking drag race brain. I don't think anybody takes him seriously enough that way. They don't take him seriously enough, but he need, like, people are, I swear to God, he's going to be a guest judge on drag race in five years, and people are going to be fine with it, and it's going to be disgusting, as far as I'm concerned. I mean, we know what Rupal's politics are. Joe We're talking about Brideshead's

Revisited. You keep like we're going further afield. You can't make me defend RuPaul's politics. All right. Maybe I'm the troll here. Maybe I'm the one.

You are the troll here. I just can't, no, I just can't help myself. Brideshead revisited. Brideshead revisited. I had never seen this, though I had known like gay friends who were really into this adaptation. This adaptation?

Yes. Interesting. This was a movie. movie that I saw in the theater, I saw it at the now-departed Lincoln Plaza, actually during my weird 2008 hiatus where I moved to the city, stupidly quit my job without having another job, had to move back to Buffalo for a few months, and then moved back again in the fall. So this was during that hiatus where I like came back to the city to like look at apartments. And I went and saw Brideshead Revisited with

former guest Tara Ariano at the Lincoln Plaza and then I don't remember anybody I know ever talking to me about this movie ever again. I had a group of gay college friends who all went to see this and I couldn't go. And they all loved it.

This movie is maybe my origin story for my Ben Wishaw infatuation. Like I don't remember anything before, having ever seen him in anything before I saw it's pre-cloud Atlas at least which cloud Atlas I'm sure is just like you know again yeah by cloud atlas I was already in of Hugh Jackman being ascended into the heavens once we get past the plot description and whatever we'll do the we'll do the Ben Wishaw deep dive because I want to do that we'll do a little Matthew Good deep dive I think too because

Matthew Good is so interesting Matthew Good is so good um Wow shut up but an odd career like with some pretty especially right around this time because he is just about to take a tumble like career-wise he's about to reach for that brass ring and stella was about to take a tumble yeah um so we'll get into all of that but yeah this was definitely almost certainly the first thing ever saw ben wishaw in and willowy wispy english uh you know it's all Well, we'll get into Brightstar. While to see Felicity Jones play basically Younger's sister. I mean, has she stopped playing younger sister in her career? I mean, even as RBG. She's like, what if RBG was your little sister?

She's like, you know? Yeah, but she like, they basically put her in pigtails in this. Well, she's little. She's a little, she's a small thing. She's only 2008. I mean, but everybody else looks essentially like they do today. Well, she does too. That's the thing.

She just looks like, I don't know. That's my, I don't know. I think she's, yes, but then when she's basically given the veneer of pigtails, it's very strange. So, okay, so what you're saying is because Felicity Jones looks exactly the same then as now, you're like, oh, this is weird. This is looking like a 30-year-old woman in pig, tales. And I'm saying, oh, because Felicity Jones looks exactly the same then as now, I'm like, oh, isn't it interesting? She's like a 13-year-old playing Ruth Bader Ginsburg. So I think we come at it from like opposite end. A movie we should do at some point. We absolutely should. Even though

it stars Hannibal Lecter himself. We can't avoid, I'm sorry, we can't avoid all the problem. We've never tried to avoid anybody for that reason either. But, you know, if you've seen that movie, there's not really anything to talk about there with that performance anyway. Yeah, we can talk about other things. There's other things to talk about with that movie. This movie, however, I quite enjoyed.

Interesting. I liked it less this time than I did the first time, but the things that I enjoyed are like the most are the exact same things that I enjoyed the last time. I think it has some structural issues because by the time, the romance between Haley Atwell and Matthew Good

comes to fruition. It's like oh, we've got like another 45 minutes left in this thing. This is kind of a lurching and we've just left behind the character that I care most about. Right. Like at this point we didn't think that that

romance would be a thing but now it's like okay we got to go with it. That I think structurally is a problem for this movie. But overall I think it's a good movie. It's also interesting that we're dealing with a director who did not really make any movies

after this, like basically sort of went to television. What an interesting run of movies, too. Well, facts. The real potential to be like a banner this had Oscar Buzz director. The Julian Gerald of it all. Yeah. Well, I wonder if, have we

lost that maybe this is a bigger question that we should have had more time to prepare for. Also, God, what a reading Julian Gerald the Wikipedia biography, the very first clause in the first sentence says a sion of the Huguenot family

which founded Jarrells of Norwich. Like, I guess they found the right guy to direct the Brideshead Revisited movie. I mean, like Poncy little... Look at Emerald Fennell's lineage. Like, there are parallels. Yeah. But yeah, his filmography leading up to this was

uh becoming jane kinky boots becoming jane are those the only two features and then this there's also he directed the hbo tv movie the girl which is right after this yeah the tippy hedgerin uh hitchcock hitchcock movie that is um sienna miller and toby jones sienna miller and toby jones which is the um not hitchcock hitchcock movie that like nobody really talked about this probably because it's like it was the same year as Hitchcock and this is the TV version of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But even, like, by HBO standards, usually...

HBO doesn't do a ton of just, like, HBO movies anymore, but, like, those used to get attention. My favorite little rabbit hole is to tumble down the 1990s Emmy nominees for Best TV Movie and see all the HBO nominees from around that time. And it was like,

I remember seeing ads for all of these people. Remember the time when they let James Woods play Roy Cohn for an entire movie? Sure did. I mean, cast a Republican as a Republican. I mean, go for it. Julian Gerald also directed this movie that came out a few years ago in 2015 called A Royal Night Out. That was suddenly just, you heard absolutely nothing about it, but then it was in this wide release.

It was Sarah Gatton and Belle Howley as like young debutants. Or no, they're Princess Elizabeth and Margaret. Yes, yeah. See, it's just like you look at the poster and you're just like British aristocracy, which correct, but like very specific British aristocracy. Thick-butted cute actor Jack Rayner is in that movie as well.

Well, yeah. didn't you can't you can't give me that look for making that statement you're the person no i'm making that look for this movie i'm not making that look for this statement like you know how i uh how i was uh uh leave me hanging on the vine there witched and uh uh all of that when seeing midsum all right anyway um we should maybe talk about the the patreon before we move Yeah, would you like to tell the listeners about turbulent brilliance? Sure, would you like to remind me where this, when this episode comes out? It comes out at the end of November.

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sign up for this had Oscar Buzz turbulent, so you can go to our Patreon page at patreon.com slash this had Oscar buzz. We would love to have you join us. we were having the best time over there. And it's just an excuse for us to get even sillier, which is... More of the show you already love. More of the show you already love. Exactly. Exactly.

So we hope to see you over there. Meanwhile, more of the family you already love. That'd be good. Working his way through the entire family and having a romance with all of them. Sort of. Like, just the... He's going to go hunting with the other brother, like, next week. He does go hunting with the other brother.

And also, like, he, like, there's a world in which a saucier version of Brideshead revisited has him having a trist with the father, probably. Like, the father's a little gay. And the only one... Not you turning this into... I can't, I can't say that, Mike. What? What?

Not you turning this into a certain gay pornography website. that specializes in inappropriate things, that has become a running joke. What's inappropriate about that? He's not related. He's not married to any one of his children. It's true. It's true. These are just two bisexual atheists who want to have a good time in Venice.

What's your fucking problem, man? That's what bisexual atheists do. They just have a good time in Venice, man. Brett Skokie's going to go shopping on the Palazzo or whatever and, you know, have at it. Bisexual atheist garries, please send us your pictures from Venice. Yeah, if you are a bisexual, Gary, you are now obligated to take a trip to Venice. And you also have to be an atheist. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Give up your religion. Go to Venice, get back to us, and we'll talk. Yeah, talking about Matthew Good, sort of like, maybe gives him a little bit more agency that I think he deserves. there's a good bit of Charles Ryder kind of just like bouncing around where fate kind of, you know, I would love him to take a little bit more agency in this where he just sort of like, there is a point where Emma Thompson's character is like, are you trying to like fuck up this family or are you just like being nice? And like she's mostly awful, but like she's got him dead to rights on that one. But she does initially go with his presence there. Like, there is something about her character that is, like, the incredibly wealthy are just absolutely fine with freeloaders. Oh, and that's, like, the plot of Saltburn, actually. Like, that's where, like, Saltburn, like, really kind of zeroes in is.

Oh, fabulous. Because the Rosamond Pike is essentially the Emma Thompson. Right, right. And she's, like, she's, like, stay for her. forever like you were having and she's sort of like collects freeloaders along the way and um yeah it's saltburn's fun i will say it's not it isn't great but it is a good time when i saw people comparing it to like cruel intentions as a vibe i was the one who could contribute to cruel intentions i've seen other people do it too i was like oh oh oh that's great that's great i don't

need this to be a movie in a world where we made movies like cruel intentions, Saltburn would fit right in perfectly. Saltburn would be like an MTV movie. You know what I mean? Great. I'm fine with that. That has a lower ceiling for me that I need it to hit and then I'll be fine.

Yeah, yeah. Emma Thompson in this movie, though. Definitely, I mean, any type of, you know... It's terrifying. This type of, especially British costume drama, is always going to, you know,

have some type of Oscar potential, you know, and, like, expected long legs. The movie ultimately kind of didn't. I think it's because of that thing. Like, you were surprised I liked this movie. I think people are pretty mild on this movie, so that kind of put a damper on it. It was not hated, but it was like, mild is exactly the right word for it. Everybody was like, okay, all right. There's just all, there are a few performers who,

they show up in a movie and it basically automatically qualifies them for Oscar Buzz and Emma Thompson is absolutely one of them. Yeah. It's weird because like not all of those performers are the same type of performer or in the same type of movies or play the same type of roles. But it's like an Emma Thompson, a Nicole Kidman, a Russell Crow. Yes. people go in and out of those but I would say Emma Thompson has been in that place for a while

because even something like late night had Oscar buzz before it ultimately bombed in theaters well Emma Thompson hasn't been nominated since sense and sensibility is that right oh let me double check that I don't think that's true but that does strike a bit of fear in my brain that it is because if that is true we got to get on this this is what i mean though and i feel like that's why like because saving mr banks is the closest she's come to getting nominated yeah since then quite but i don't six place oh i think very probably six place i think in 2013 2013 right oh yeah yeah yeah yes um but i think oh my god you're right i'm right right nothing since since since and sensibility. Almost 30 fucking years. This is like, remember in 2019

when all the nominees and supporting actor were like hadn't been nominated in forever, where it was like Hanks and Pacino and Pesci and Anthony Hopkins and even Brad Pitt hadn't been nominated since Moneyball. So it had been like a decade. But like, where like you didn't realize that like, oh my God, Anthony Hopkins. hasn't been nominated since Amistad, which was like 1997. So it had been 20 plus years. It had been 20 plus years for Hanks since, not 20 plus. It did almost 20 years for Hanks since Castaway.

You know what I mean? Pesci, everybody was like, yeah, like Pesci hasn't been nominated forever. But like all these other people, you don't realize how much time has passed. For us, I think people, our age especially, I think the. biggest, the craziest thing is like realizing just how long it's been since the late 90s. You know what I mean? When like the late 90s used to just to feel contemporary and it's like, bro, it's been 20 years. You know what I mean?

It's been 25 years for a lot of these things. And every time that it comes up in my brain, I have the moment of like I can walk into Lacuna or I can keep going down the street where I'm like, okay, I can immediately erase this from my brain so that I don't have to think about. it until it comes back. Or I can just go walk into the sea. Right. Right. Well, it's like, I mean, the easiest way to get an internet meme is being like, do you know it's been the same number of years between X and this as like X and like this horrible thing that feels like it was ancient history? Like, um, so let's play the game with sense and sensibility. Sense and

sensibility was oh was 1990 five so that's 10 20 28 years right sure so the same amount of time that has passed between sense and sensibility and now was the same amount of time you go back as like the moon landing right like more or less you know what I mean like give or take a few years it's that same amount of time from like from sense and sensibility back to the moon landing that is fucking and I know it's like it's an easy meme to do but it gets me every single time where I'm just like oh god like what in the world meanwhile Emma Thompson's Oscar wins are my moon landing that culturally significant sure sure she did the first roundtable this year which is like not even like a roundtable it's like I got to go back and try to find these clips again, but... How many were there this year? It felt more like junkety... Sure. I bet. I bet. Listen, things have humble beginnings.

Yes, quite. She is also in the same roundtable for Last Chance Harvey is this year a movie I've tried to get us to do, and you're like, eh. And I was like, oh, you've probably seen it and don't like it. It's not that I don't like it. It's I've seen it and don't really have too many thoughts on it. And so I'm like, what will I even say? That's fair. That's fair. I'm happy to do it. It's a movie I push because I'm like, I should watch this movie.

If you want to do that, here's what I will say. We should talk about this off, Mike. We should have a little summit where we come to each other with the movies that one of us wants to do and the other one kind of doesn't. And we should like barter and do like, you know, and we should have a barter system of like, I will give you last chance, Harvey, if you give me something that I keep trying to push. And every time you're like, eh, or maybe not. So let's think about that. just continue doing movies that we mutually agree upon.

What if it's in a fleeting moment that we're just like, sure, we'll do that this week. Or what if we do that for a Patreon episode? Like the great this had Oscar Buzz barter episode where it's just like, you know what I mean? We just talk it out. We just talk out our differences in the opinion. Would that be interesting for listeners? I don't know. I don't, I mean.

Get at us. Listen, if you're a patron, comment on, comment at us or tweet at us. Let us know. Or if you are not a patron and that would tip. the scales for you. I don't always think behind-the-scenes stuff is interesting to talk about, much less interesting to probably listen. We don't think so, but sometimes, sometimes it is. I don't know. I would listen to, I think about my other podcast that I listened to. The rest of the actresses in this roundtable. Yes. Michelle Williams is there for Wendy and Lucy in Synexiki,

New York. I did a marathon session of Spears Williams last night, and we can't get into it. I love that this project for you is Spears Williams, as if. if it's Fossie Verdon. Like, it's your... Or Frost Nixon. Or Frost Nixon. It's a dialogue across the decades

between Britney Spears and Michelle Williams. If I was one of those substack people, I would have already had 3,000 words on this. Like, I... We can't do it. File magazine on Michelle Williams doing the Britney audio book. Tarashi P. Henson,

for the Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Sally Hawkins for Happy Go Lucky. and Amy Adams for doubts. Never not there. I think she enjoys time with her peers. I think she does too. Yeah. She's also in that Kate Blanchett realm where it's just like,

I think you're kind of mean. You know what I mean? Like in a deserved way, right? In a way that they are allowed to be. But like, I think you're probably kind of mean a little bit. You think Amy's mean? No, Emma. Oh, no, I mean.

You don't think so? You can't imagine Emma Thompson with the cameras off being like, oh, God. I don't think so. She's done, like, podcasts, like guest spots on podcasts where she just, like, invites people over to her home to record it so that she can have a glass of wine. Like, I don't think that she, I think that she is a big josher and a roaster. But I don't think she's mean. Okay. Well, I'm right about...

She is actress Bianca Del Rio. She is, like, of the actress set, she is Bianca Del Rio. She can get a really good, like, rib in there, but I think genuinely is a good-hearted person. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's true. All right. We should get into the plot description. We should.

We are over a half hour into this and have not. And we started late. We're going to get, like, literary listeners that think that we are just too annoying homosexuals. Us, us. Barking things to which I say you are correct. Yeah, sorry, sorry to the Evelyn-in-Wa society tuning into this and being disappointed. And I also love that, like, I will, I refuse to pronounce evil-in-wa as the American flat. Sophia Coppola taught us how it was pronounced.

Evelyn. You can't do Evelyn-W-It's a joke in that movie. In which movie? Lost in Translation. Ana Farris shows out. and she is pretending to be Cameron Diaz, and she's like, oh, I'm in this hotel, too. Just look me up. I'm under Evelyn Waugh. And she, like, walks away, and Scarlett Johansson's, like, trying not to laugh to

herself. She's like, Evelyn Waugh's a man. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot about that. What a great scene in cinema. Talk about, like, great scenes in cinema. Sophia Coppola roasting the fuck out of Cameron Diaz in Lost in Translation in the person of Bonifaris.

She should do it again. If she has done it, and we just. aren't culturally realizing it. Sophia, come out with it. Like, tell us who you're roasting. Or just roast someone else again. And to be clear, we love Cameron Diaz. Oh.

Sometimes people that we love, we love to see them roasted, too. The gay experience is getting enjoyment out of one person you like roasting another person you like. Like, sometimes you could just enjoy that, and that's fine. Emma Thompson, like, never stops roasting Meryl Streep. That's true, and we love it. And we love it. Debbie Reynolds, savages Merrill in that Larry King interview, and yet we love them both.

Come on. All right, all right, all right, all right. Listeners, we are here talking about Brideshead Revisited, directed by Julian Gerald, written by Jeremy Bach and Andrew Davies based on Evelyn Waugh's novel. Motion Picture stars Matthew Good, Ben Wishaw, Haley, at Well, Emma Thompson, Michael Gambon, the recently departed Michael Gambon, rest at peace, Greta Scotchi, and Felicity Jones had an opening, a limited opening at the end of July 2008. Mr. Joseph Reed, are you prepared to give a 60-second plot description? Yes, it's going to go long, but yes.

All right, well, then your 60-second plot description of Bright's Head Revisited starts now. Charles Ryder is a middle-class oxford student who meets Sebastian Flight, a rich fancy boy whose friends are all capital F-F slurs. And Charles is a capital-age haughty. So Sebastian invites Charles to come to a summer home at Brideshead, the family estate. Charles meets Sebastian's pretty, but mean sister Julia, and his mother, Lady Marchman, whose entire personality is her pitiless, Catholicism. Charles is an atheist, he'll have you know. And Lady Marchman is like, your poor and an atheist, pick a struggle. And Sebastian is clearly in love with Charles and kisses him once, and Charles is just bisexual enough that we and Sebastian hope this might go somewhere. And then there. the three young hotties travel to Venice to visit Sebastian and Julia's father, who hates religion, is also kind of gay in temperament. So Charles is like, I like this guy. And then Charles does the worst thing in the world and kisses Julia, at which point the movie sets Sebastian off to go die of alcoholism in Morocco or whatever. And while we excruciatingly pretend to care whether Charles and Julia can make it work despite her society, marriage, and Catholic guilt, four years later, Lady Marchman is dying and needs Charles to go track down Sebastian for

her, which he does. But Sebastian is too ill to return. He also doesn't want to, and then Charles and Julia have a chance meeting by which point her mother is dead and they hook up and dish their spouses, and Charles barters with her husband for Julia's freedom, and then Julia's father returns home to Brideshead dying, and Charles is like, good for you for never going back to religion, but oops, the dad makes a deathbed conversion at the last possible second, just in case God is real, and Charles is bummed, and Julia, who has been indoctrinated by her mother about religion, decide she's going to give Charles up in order to appease God or some such, and then it's World War II, and Bride's head is a munitions depot or whatever, and Charles is like,

nice castle I almost had, and leaves the candle and the chapel burning for a little bit longer, metaphor, metaphor, the end. Almost 30 seconds over. I'm glad that you helped clarify the Matthew Good character, Charles, as in something that I think is a trope that I love where it's movie where character is just bisexual enough. Yes, just bisexual enough is a good category. Yes, yes, because there are many, many literary examples. There's many cinematic examples. I'm sure there's song examples. Taylor Swift, Betty.

For example. Yeah. But usually those characters I end up getting really mad at by the end because they're just bisexual enough that it's like, well, obviously Sebastian's going to fall in love with you. He's not wrong to do so. You're kind of throwing out some signals here. And then it's just like, no, I'm going to go pursue your sister. And that's going to be the rest of the movie. And I'm like, what the fuck here?

like pretty little Whispy Boy has feelings and now he's got to go off to Morocco and like stew and his fluid-filled lungs for the rest of his life or whatever and it's like

sad what I will say is a minor frustration because I'm sure it's not quite this way when you're reading it on the page you know in the book but in the movie

I do actually buy Matthew Good's like connection towards Ben Wish and then I do actually buy his connection to Haley Atwell. Less so. I, I, I, not necessarily less so.

I think it's, I'm just like, oh, we, we have a whole, like, act to this story left when I thought it was winding down. Right. More so that than I don't buy their connection. And I think ultimately that's a little bit of a problem for the movie, because when it's like, oh, When he is ultimately implicated by the end of the story where it's just like you are just trying to latch on to this wealthy family, you know, maybe you don't have this romance with two siblings. I also, okay, so I understand that reading the novel and even watching the 1981 miniseries, which we should talk about because people really liked that back then, I would probably have a much more rich understanding of it in, In a movie form, even at two hours and 14 minutes of movie, it still feels like kind of a cheap plot machination where she overhears them making the deal.

And she almost does the like, I'm a bet. I'm a fucking bet by the end where she's just like, you're, or the whatever, or the like the penny lane, like she sold you for two cases of Heineken, where she's like, I guess all I was worth was like two paintings or whatever. And it's like, lady, he just, like, got you out of your awful marriage that you desperately needed to get out of. And he, like, just gave up, you know, shit of his to do it. Like, what is the actual problem here? First of all, Reese Witherspoon belongs in the pantheon of great uses of the fuck in cinema. For what? No, I'm talking about she's all that. Oh, right. That's she's all that. Never mind. But, like, it also is. true of Reese Witherspoon, and that, like, you just pointed out maybe a trope that I had never really thought of as, like, droopy, unless you're literally doing Pygmalia and her dangerous liaisons.

The cruel intentions thing, where she's just like, I can't believe. And, like, in that one, at least, it does sort of show Ryan Philippi in that movie to be, like, a, like, sociopath a little bit. You know what I mean? Whereas, like, at least in this one, it's just like... miscrediting you to Reese Witherspoon. I know, I know. But like this whole thing is like you knew what he was doing in that little meeting with your husband. Like, also like you're the one with the marriage that needed to get

like weasled out of. So what the fuck is the problem? It's not like I and I don't particularly care if these two end up together. So it's not like I'm like, you know, mad on that end. But because I don't, for whatever reason, watching the movie, I'm just like, that just feels like a convenient, maybe it's because

I'm not steeped enough in a novel where the novel, from what I understand, really lets the, like, the religious aspect of this movie really sink in. And ultimately, like, this Catholicism that her mother passed down to her and, like, pressed on her. And eventually it, like, seeped into her pores. And ultimately, this Catholic guilt with, you know, she's the last, essentially, the last one remaining of her family, assuming that, like, well, Bridie, but who gives the fuck about Bridie? But, like, her parents are dead. You know what I mean?

And she has this, like, family legacy to live up to. And now all of this Catholic guilt is pressing down on her. And she's like, I guess I have to, like, come up with a reason why Charles and I can't be together. I get all of that. In the movie, it just feels a little bit thinner as a motivation. So I'm like, well, this feels flimsy. Do you know what I mean?

Sure. the religious deletry of this was also something I maybe wasn't prepared for not knowing enough about the source material in that like

Emma Thompson whether I mean like she's playing this so like to like max juicy potential but I did kind of laugh at some of the religious

zealotry you will absolutely catch me trying to cut the video footage of her saying something to the extent are you saying you would deny Christ and I will use that against anybody who says like Beyonce isn't good enough for something. Bring that into the the screen drafts when we do Scorsese when anybody decides to slight Last Temptation. Yeah, when you, if you draft Last Temptation of Christ at number too low, yeah. Like 29 or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Put down those,

What could you be putting down and Brideshead revisited, Chris? Parasals. Put on those parasols and rich bisexual on wee. And let's dive into the Vulture Movie Fantasy League for another week, our beloved Garees. We are speaking to you from the depths of Thanksgiving weekend. and the five-day box office holiday that once used to be chock-a-block with lucrative titles, your Harry Potter's, your James Bond's, frozen, you know what I mean? So many big Thanksgiving weekend movies.

And now it is, I know everybody's sort of like dancing their little jigs about Disney taking it on the chin yet again. But like at some point, something's going to have to start making big money. these weekends or else like nothing's going to get elevated it's it is kind of a bummer i don't know how you feel but like it is interesting that hunger games is the de facto yes winner here because like it's a tired franchise too yes like it's a dead franchise and everybody's like it's a tired franchise doing well but the expectations on it were lower and it doesn't have this like well it's Disney, like, nobody cares about Lionsgate, you know, taking a hit at the box office. I do, however, want to say round of applause for Ridley Scott and Napoleon, because, like, Napoleon

seems like it's a genuine hit, which I don't think people would have necessarily expected, you know. But a genuine hit that makes, like, $32 million over a five-day weekend is, like, good. Good for that movie relative to what it is, relative to, and the fact that it's, like, a three-hour-long movie that is, like, taking up chunks of time. And I feel like people kind of just roll their, I mean, it's got to be the Joaquin factor, right? Post-Joker, et cetera. Maybe he is a bona fide movie star now. Maybe this is the kind of action that people are looking for these days. Like, that would be fine. Maybe it's also the choice that everyone's making that makes the whole family happy, you know? I just still feel like those kind of numbers aren't going to keep movie theaters from closing. You know what I mean? Sure, sure. And that does bum me out. Like, for as much as we all hate on Marvel, like, those movies making that much money was at least making money for the movie series.

It was not healthy in the long term as we are about to find out, and we are about to reap the rewards from that. But whatever, this is not to do. I don't want to bum people out. People, if you drafted Napoleon, good for you. All this to say, if you were strategizing

your Voltra Movies Fantasy League game around box office points, by and large, things continue to get worse. Unless you got Five Nights at Freddy's or Taylor Swift. Like, there are, like, there are bright spots. I guess November has been less bullish than October, which is a little, you know, odd. But all right. Yes, that is, that is true. Um, the horrors persist, but so do we. I do think that there are some box office points to be had. Still to come in December, I think the color purple is about to do really well. Wonka, Wonka, Wonka. Well, we'll see how, Wonka is tracking around like 25, which, like, you would think they would want to be tracking double that. I will say, though, we have, we can't, there's embargoes at play here, so we can't say, but we've heard some positive things from at least one person, and I think I've heard from like two

people, so. Oh, well, how lovely? I'm going to be dancing a little jig when that movie does well. Otherwise, Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes is about to hit the $100 million threshold. So if you drafted that, you're going to get some bonus points. Trolls band together crossed the $50 million threshold. So if you drafted that movie, you're going to get points off of that. Trolls, the Ballad of Anna and Justin.

God. That's not stars in those movies, right? Anna Kendrick and Justin were like? Yes, that's absolutely true. Saltburn hits a nice little 3 million, which is I probably was, I definitely was too optimistic about that drawing in curious eyeballs. Gen Z once again lets me down, being both afraid of sex and refusing to go see movies and theaters. I will say when I saw Salt Burn, I was very easily the second oldest person in the theater.

It was me and then a 70-year-old guy by himself. That's not the audience that Saltburn was going for. And the funny thing was, like, I think I was the only person who was laughing at certain parts of that movie, so I don't know if my audience dug it, but like... They fell asleep. No, the young people. I'm saying the young people. You said, oh, you were the oldest.

Oh, yes, I was the second oldest. Oh, I thought you said the youngest. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Oh, so there were young people. And then a bunch of young people. Oh, I see. Okay. And then a bunch of young people.

Well, then that is good. I'm sorry. I heard you wrong. Good for young people. Few that they are. No, of course they don't find that stuff. It's funny. They haven't developed a sense of humor yet. They, you know, they're figuring it out. Fucking young people. Okay. Holdovers and Priscilla still making good, you know, small, small release box office. I'm happy for that. I'm happy for Sophia Coppola, though. Have we recorded since I saw Priscilla finally? Yeah, you don't like it. I don't like it.

I understand people not liking it. I don't understand you saying Jacob Alorty is bad in it because, like, that's factually untrue. I don't know if he's bad. I just feel like. I think he's very good. I feel like he's not good, but I'm not going to go so far as to say that he's bad. I just feel like, I don't know, maybe the barrier for entry was low for him and to be Elvis.

And I don't know. So it's all of us who have a problem. and not you who might not like Jacob Allorty for reasons. No, I just have a problem with it. Okay. My thing about, I don't know. It feels like a movie by someone who likes Sophia Coppola movies. Yeah, I saw that on your letterbox.

Dialogue is not her strong suit. Sure. I would agree with that. I think, but I liked, I thought it looked beautiful. I thought it looked. interesting. And I thought, like, yes, this is yet another movie. This is, like, Priscilla Presley gets the Sophia Coppola treatment. And, like, we fully moved into that stage of, like, filmmaking, right? Where it's just like, what if some movie was told by a

Sophia Coppola perspective? But I think this is a good story to tell from that perspective. And I think it works. I wish it was more told from that perspective. It felt really, um, what's the word? Intervened with Do you think it was? I don't know if it was. As far as I understand, Priscilla Presley was very close to that production. Well, yeah, that's true. Which, like, I guess there's nothing wrong with it.

It's just that's not the movie I want Sophia Coppola making. Yeah, fair enough. I wanted it to be more Marie Antoinette. And, like, when everybody was comparing it to Marie Antoinette, I'm like, that's not what this movie is. That's not what that movie reminded me of. I don't know what it reminded me of. There are parts of it that reminded me a little bit of somewhere. They're a part of it that reminded me of Lost in Translation.

I don't know. I certainly, for me, and maybe I'm coming at this from not having liked the last couple of her movies. Like, I was glad I liked it better than On the Rocks. I was glad I liked it better than The Beguiled. I'm so glad that we can largely have, like, every great filmmaker needs a, like, safely worst of their filmography. And this is safely Sophia Copp's worst movie. Oh, we disagree. But I'm glad that On the Rocks can hopefully get some credit because I like that movie.

And I like Sophia Coppola's version of like a screwball comedy. I just, that movie was a fast fade from me and the parts that I do remember. We'll save it for whenever we do on the Rocks. Yeah, that's true. Good point. All right. So instead of now looking at the box office, let's look ahead a little bit on what is to come because we have now. Where you can get your points soon.

We are about to enter the precursor blitz of points for December. I'm very excited. As you are listening to this, most likely the Gotham Awards winners have been announced. Chris, are you willing to go out on a limb and say who's going to pick up the most points off of Monday Night's awards? I think the past lives people, the people that have past lives on their team are going to be very happy. I think they'll be happy also when the Indy Spirit nominations come out. We'll get to Indy Spirits. Do you think that Ryan Gosling is going to win Best Supporting Performance

because he sticks out like a sore thumb in that category? No. It's hard to predict those performance categories, you know, when they have 10 people. I'm very interested to see if they're willing to make a statement on behalf of someone like Rachel McAdams or... Julia Pinoche in The Taste of Things, maybe? Like, I liked this performance a lot, but I were either going to pick Glenn Howardton for Blackberry as a way of making a statement.

Have you seen The Taste of Things? No, I'm going to wait till I'm in New York. I want to see it in a movie theater. We'll have a conversation one when you have it. I think it's... Are you down on the taste of things? Chris. That she is being pushed and supporting.

Oh, okay. All right, all right. I do think in lead performance, there is a chance that Tiana Taylor does win for a thousand and one. God, I would be so happy. I would be so happy. We are stumping for Tiana Taylor podcast. I still haven't seen the movie.

I can't stump until I've seen it. But like I fully see that territory to you. Why won't you listen to your friend? Listen to me. It's not like I'm not going to see it. It's on a giant list of movies I need to see. Yeah. I mean, if I was going to pick for those supporting categories,

who I think is going to win. Yeah. I would maybe guess Devine Jor Randolph and who am I going to say of this lead lineup? Actually, no, I'm going to say Greta Lee.

Okay. I'm going to predict Tiana Taylor and Glenn Howerton and we'll see how it goes. All right. All right. After the Gotham's, then in short order, only a few days later,

New York Film Critics Circle will announce their winners on Thursday the 30th. They are announcing their their winners in November because at some point all of these winners will be announced in June. On a long enough timeline, we will just have award season

begin earlier and earlier and all the critics will see all of the movies by the end of the summer. And anyway, New York Film Critics Circle announces on the 30th. Where do you think, where do you have a hunch that we might see some surprise points from the New York film

critics? New York film critics are always fun and watch. Yeah, they do tend to like, yeah, they do tend to like put their chips behind something that is worthy of a little bit of a push. I'm not sure. I haven't thought too hard about that. Like, where is the underground support? What do you think?

I wonder if Franz Ruggowski could show up. I would be very happy. That is wishful thinking. But I do know, I mean, I think that there's support for passages there. I mean, passages is going to show. I feel like that movie would require a lot more. I think that would require a lot of. lot more queer support than the New York film Critics Circle is capable of mustering up at this

point. But we'll see. I would love to see them get behind May December in a really big way. I would love one of these critics. I think so too. I think a May December best picture win for any of these precursors would be great. Best movie of a year. Might as well say it. I think Charles Melton is winning at least one Critics Award for Best Supporting Actor, maybe two. A significant one, too. yeah oh yeah from like the big four right no of like new York

New York Los Angeles um National Border Review national society one of those four he will win one of those four if not two I'm holding out hope

that one of them gives it to Rachel McAdams for are you there God it's me Margaret although that would seem somewhat like a New York call it does it could in that like they tend to go for hard endorsement at least

for one of their acting prizes. Yeah. Or something that, like, was well received, but then is sort of assumed to be out of the awards conversation for sort of specious reasons, which does apply to Rachel McAdams. Do you know what I mean? So, yeah, we'll see.

Independent Spirit Awards then are Tuesday, December 5th. They announced their nominations. I would expect something like Past Lives to do very well. all I would expect. I mean, eligibility with them is always sort of the question, right? Eligibility is interesting. I was going to say they have three filmmakers, at least three this year, that they

have consistently supported in, at times when you maybe think they wouldn't have. And that's Kelly Reichart, Todd Haynes, and Iris Axe. I'm curious about passages if they're going to consider that a non-American production.

Right. But I do think that there is a potential for showing up to be among the nominees somewhere significantly in a way that would be wonderful for the people who drafted it for, I believe, low points. If anyone's going to nominate Hong Chao for supporting actress and showing up, it'll be Independent Spirit Awards. And I'm not expecting it. But more and more, I'm like, I really like that supporting performance.

a lot. It's going to be very close to my top five. He's probably going to be putting that performance on their ballot. My co-host, Chris File. One Christopher File. I'm going to come close to it. I haven't really sat down with my ballot yet. I kind of have no idea what it looks like. I haven't really either. I just know that there's not a world that exists that that performance isn't on my ballot. National Border Review announces their winners on Wednesday, December 6th. Chris, what's going to be the weird movie to show up on their top 10? Ferrari. is that weird enough though I feel like that's even I feel like they've gone weirder than that I mean it would be weird if Ferrari is like their best picture

winner but like that makes a total sense as a National Water Review call I feel like it's going to be like something that was like big and like super flopped critically like do you know what I mean like they tend to do that sometimes or I don't know There's not an Eastwood, so we can't, like, throw on their usual Clean Eastwood nomination. No, but they do support Warner Brothers, so... There you go. I mean, wouldn't be surprised to see, you know, something like Barbie do very well there. Oh, I could see Barbie winning NBR Best Picture.

I mean, same with Searchlight, too. They could be going for poor things. Who knows? I hope that they go... I hope they make us look really foolish and go for something just, like, truly, truly. very strange for that. Yes, I'd love it. I'd love it. Um, Los Angeles film critics. They'd love to see them get Tiana Taylor there, Breakthrough Performance Award. It's very possible. Uh, Los Angeles film critics are Sunday, uh, December 10th. They are traditionally on a Sunday.

Then the next morning Golden Globe awards are announced. Golden Globes are going to be on CBS this year, which, um, this is an odd fit in terms of, uh, sensibility. They had to not really go for CBS show and their TV awards. So that's kind of interesting. All of a sudden, Yellowstone is going to start winning awards. I mean, I wouldn't move fast at them. Critics' choice nominations are on Thursday, December 14th. And then, I'm so excited for this, we, this is a new points category this year in the

Fantasy League. We didn't do it last year. We should have the Oscar shortlists are announced on December 21st and early Christmas present for all of us. I'm very excited to see if Diane Warren's song. from... Flaming Hot. Flaming Hot is on the short list.

I really hope it is. Some, I'm sure, insane songs will be on the short list. It can only be two Barbie songs, right? Three, provided that they don't all have the same songwriters, but then at the nomination stage, it can only be two. So what are the three going to be? I think the three are, obviously, Ken Dua and Billy Eilish.

Yeah, that seems safe. That seems like a safe bet. And then that'll take us right through to the holidays. One thing we announced in the newsletter that I want to say is the Writers Guild announced that their awards are not going to be until April. So we will not be awarding Writers Guild points this year because our end date has to be the Oscars. Otherwise, it's very anticlimactic. So sorry, WGA. Nothing against you.

We'll be going hard on the WGA awards after the Oscar. ceremony for a month and a half. What if all the Oscar blogs did that? We're just like very intensely, like, it's the only game in town. We're going to go really in on the WGA Awards. I need a lot of things to not be WGA eligible this year. I need, I need, if those are going to be in April, I need them to be weird. I need them to be, I need them to not go to.

Right. Oppenheimer and Barbie. Fair. That's fair. So we've been over on our Patreon and, uh, we do. We're going to be doing a full awards race catch-up in a few weeks as the December excursion. So we haven't really answered questions like this, but we've been getting call-ins asking us

about the screenplay races and specifically Barbie. Yeah. What its category placement is going to be. Do you have any thoughts on that really quickly? In terms of adapted or original? Yes, because they are submitting themselves. for original. I think that's right.

But we'll see. I understand it used to be, like, the terminology of the category at one point was, and I know it's no longer anymore for a reason, but best screenplay based on material previously published or produced. And like, that does not apply to Barbie. And like, Barbie's not a real person, but... It's not based on any type of Barbie book. However, I do think that this is a big, like, existential question.

But the degree to which Barbie is an original or adapted is the same as if you had done a biopic without basing it on a book. You know what I mean? That is just based on like biographical information. Do you know what I mean? I hear your argument. I'm not sure I agree with it. Why? Because it's still an intellectual property.

An intellectual property is not a person, you know? Right. But an intellectual property is also not a work of fiction in the same way that we define it. Do you know what I mean? Right. I see it being deemed adapted at the end of it. Oh, I could definitely see it being deemed adapted. Because it's such an existential question of like what IP is and what IP means that I just think the conservative industry approach will be.

be to say that it's adapted, and I think that's what's going to happen. I'm trying to think of, like, a good example to, like, counter you with of like... Transformers. Would you say Transformers as an original screenplay? No, because Transformers is based on, like, a cartoon series that existed and had, like, lore and backstory and characters, you know what I mean? We're, like, Barbie isn't... How different is Barbie from that? As a character, like, I don't know. I don't know.

It's like if you made, it's like, I don't know. I'm not thinking of a good example. If you made a movie called gummy worms. And like, gummy worms are an intellectual property that somebody came up with the idea for gummy worms. And, of course, then you'd have to maybe credit the creators of gummy bears for coming up with the idea to make, like, an animated series about doing anything. I would watch a Haribo movie Okay, do the creators of Gummy Bears, the cartoon show,

have to pay royalties to Haribos? That therein lies the answer to our Barbie question. Somebody who works at the Haribo's legal department, get back to us and let us know. Colin to our Patreon line.

All this to say, the game is now The game is in Act 2. That's true. We have now moved into act two. The real points are about to start happening. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We've had a time jump. What happens at the beginning of Act 2? Certain characters aren't around anymore, and you're like, why aren't they here? What happened to them? Have they possibly passed away? The angel comes through the ceiling and says, give back the book. Standard Act 2 things.

All right. Back to your regularly, speaking of the angel, back to your Emma Thompson discussion in Brideshead Revisited. Go forth. I, I, I, I am going to send you to conversion therapy. I, I, I, I am a Catholic. Yeah, okay. Goodbye. Also, not to like make it about me, but like having grown up Catholic, this is so outside of my experience of Catholicism. part of this movie is when they go to Italy and they meet Michael Gambon and then his new wife, Greta Skokke, and she's talking to Charles and she's like talking about Emma Thompson and she's like,

God, her version of Catholicism seems like such a bummer. She's like, here in Italy, we just sort of live our lives and then we go to confession and it's fine. And I sort of like, that's closer to my experience of Catholicism, not the sort of like heedless, like, you know, whatever, but like, yes, like the Pope says you can't use birth control. Most people. used birth control. The Pope says you can't have sex before marriage. You know, that wasn't stopping anybody. The Pope says you can't get divorced. And the only person who, like, I remember in my life, who still, like, held onto that was my grandfather. And even my grandfather was like, I'm not happy about it, but, you know, to my, like, whatever, like, aunts or uncles who got divorced,

was just like, well, nobody's happy about this, but, like, you know, whatever. And so this idea that, like, Catholicism specifically has such an iron grip on this family. I'm sure it happens. It's just, like, outside of my experience. A British-American divide here. Like, maybe it's just like, that's Catholicism there. Here, it's evangelicalism that people are like, I don't know. And I think that's a big thing. We're also talking about something that's almost 100 years old. Well, and I also think, you know, Even you look at when this movie was made, this movie was made in 2008, which we still, we were just coming out of essentially, like, Reagan Bush, the eight-year Clinton respite, where also, though, Clinton's in the office, and the entire time he's being, like, besieged by the morality police and the religious right and whatever like that. So, like, clearly, like, religious conservatism is such a big deal during the Clinton years.

And then you have George W. Bush and, like, that sort of, like, false pie. of the right. We have just endured... False Christianity, et cetera. Right. Like 25 years of all of that. And so I think at that point, that angle of like, well, religion claims

another victim, you know what I mean? And also like where like queer people were at the time. And like queer people were being victimized by these laws that were, you know, enacted by the religious right and all that. It's just sort of like this idea that this family would be under the yoke of devout.

religion probably felt more pertinent. And that's why, not to bring up Saltburn again, but like Saltburn kind of replaces religion with wealth. You know what I mean? That wealth is the big sort of the sin that will drive everybody to their graves in Saltburn. And that feels much more pertinent. It's not about wealth. It's not not about wealth, but it's not like wealth is the thing that like ruins Julia and Charles's relationship. Chasing it is what ruins Charles. Yes. Yes, it is.

But, like, the Catholicism plays a bit, much bigger role in, like, her, in, like, in what ruins Julia, essentially. Right. Right. Whereas, like, Saltburn feels much, much more relevant to our current time where, like, everything is just, is traced so, like, distinctly towards, like, well, capitalism is the reason why this is bad. You know what I mean? And so, like, it makes sense. It does make more sense in that way. Joe, we should mention this is the sixth Emma Thompson time.

She's joining the Sixth Timers Club. I had already thought that she had been there. Nope. Six-timers Club, including one of which is a voiceover, but it's like she's the voice for the entire movie. Yeah, it counts. So it does count. The six Emma Thompson movies we have covered. Men, Women, and Children, which is the aforementioned voiceover role.

She plays God, which Emma Thompson as God should be a much more pleasurable experience than it is. She plays the pale blue dot that Ansel Elgort's character is obsessed with throughout the entire film. Stranger Than Fiction, a movie where she is one of the two main characters, but she also has prominent voiceover. The Meyerowitz stories, much ado about nothing, burnt, which we did recently, And now Brideshead Revisited. So as we always do, Chris, it's quite the range, right? Exactly. There's comedies.

There's dramas. There's, you know, supporting performances. There's more leads in there. Omniscient presence. Yes, exactly. Sometimes she's a shrink in all but name. And yeah, so as we always do, when we get a. sixth movie from an actor or actress is I come up with a little quiz about these six movies

and I quiz you. So I imagine you are ready to go for all of that, Chris. It's been a while since we've had one. We haven't had one or a while. I think the last one might have been John Carroll Lynch when we did our private life episode. Interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But so Emma joins the club. The answer to all of these questions will be one or more of those aforementioned six movies. So are you ready to go? I sure am. Okay. Of those six movies, which is the longest? Okay, so

just so I can list them again, we have burnt Brideshead, men, women and children, stranger than fiction, Meyerowitz, and what? Much to do about nothing. Do you want me to put it in the chat? Yes, please do that. The longest has to be Brideshead. The longest is Brideshead. 133 minutes. What is the shortest?

Is the shortest burnt? It is burnt. It's like 90 minutes. 101, actually. Yeah, 101 minutes, but yes, it is. All right, of those six, which had the highest domestic box office total. Is it stranger than fiction? It is stranger than fiction. I was sort of surprised by this, but yeah, a robust 40.6 million for stranger than fiction, which is way more than I thought. it's the only well no men women and children is a studio movie it's otherwise the only studio movie but men women and children was a massive massive bomb well uh follow up what was the low with the exception of the mirewood stories which was netflix so uh not applicable which was the lowest domestic box office total men women and children with less than a million seven hundred and five thousand yeah yeah yeah all right uh which had the highest rotten tomato score mirewitz at 92 percent

which had the lowest Rotten Tomato score. Men, women, and children. Nope. Wow. Men women and children, I thought it was like single digits. No, it's in like the 30s. Is it burnt? It's burnt.

28%. Yeah. All right. Which two of these movies were directed by people who have never had any Oscar nominations? Brideshead revisited Julian Gerald. Yep.

And Stranger Than Fiction is Mark Forster. That's not it. It's burnt. It's John Wells. It's John Wells. John Wells has never been nominated for an Oscar, even for producing. Which movie has the same cinematographer as Poor Things? Ooh.

Oh, that's Robbie Ryan. It's burnt. Not burnt. Is it men, women, and children? Not men, women, and children. Damn. I don't think Robbie Ryan shot Bride's Head. Bride's head?

Nope. Damn, going through all these. I was going to say, you've got three out of the way, so you're one out of three. Meyerowitz. Meyerowitz stories, yes. Robbie Ryan has done the cinematography on, I think, multiple Noah Bombeck movies. But, yes, does the phenomenal cinematography on poor things, and I hope he gets nominated for it this year. Which movie was released during Taurus season?

Tourist season. So that is May April. That is much ado about nothing? Very good. Much ado about nothing. Yes. which is the only one that ended up on the National Board of Review's

top 10. Much to about nothing. Yes, very good. Yeah. Which movie shares a writer with the 2022 Ben Affleck on a da Arma's sex thriller Deepwater. Well, Tracy lets, no, did Tracy let's do a draft of that

or a woman in the window? And he has since disowned whatever draft. It's a woman in the window. Okay. Um, oh, it's, oh, God, I'm, I could probably just guess based on the movie, but I'm trying to name this writer. It's, oh, who did that really weird movie? I know Adrian Line directed. Is it just men, women, and children? It's not men, women, and children. Because that I don't think was just written by right men. It wasn't. Is it burnt? It's not burnt. Is it stranger than fiction?

It is. Zach Helm from Stranger Than Fiction has at least a screenplay credit on Deepwater. Never would have guessed his name. I would have, yeah. Yeah. Which movie shares a writer with the Jessica Chastain movie Woman Walks Ahead. Oh. That Bride's Head revisited?

Is it Andrew Davies? No. It's not. Nope. Is it? Stranger than fiction. No, is it men, women, and children? Nope. Wow. Is it Stranger than fiction?

It's not Stranger than fiction. It's not... I'm bombing this one. Okay. These are harder questions that I normally do, so I will say you're hanging in. Meyerowitz could be co-written by Noah and someone else, but is it much ado about nothing? Nope. That's just Kenneth Branagh doing the adaptation. So I guess it's Myerowitz. It's not Myerwitz.

I thought I've guessed everything so far. You haven't. Men, women, and children. No, you guessed that already. I guess burnt. You didn't. Burnt. Yeah, burnt.

Stephen Knight has a screenplay credit on Woman Walks Ahead. Sure. Which two movies played the Cannes Film Festival? Much to Do About Nothing in Meyerowitz. Yes. Much of Do About Nothing played it after it opened in the United States. But yes. Which one of these movies won a Glad Media Award?

Bride's Head was only nominated. Oh, wait, sorry, that's what I meant. I shouldn't have said, which was nominated for a Glad Media Award. It's Britsen, you got it, you got it. We'll talk about it. Let's write a note to talk about it, like, right after. It's already in the outline. Okay, good, good, good, good.

Which of these movies has the same cinematographer as the 2017 adaptation of Baywatch? I don't know who that is, but I'm going to guess. Stranger than fiction. No. Burnt. No. Okay. It's not Robbie Ryan.

Robbie Ryan can't have shot Baywatch. He didn't. Don't worry. Men, women and children. Yeah. Eric Stilberg, a cinematographer on men, women and children, and also Baywatch. Which of these movies features someone who famously played the president of the United States on television as a character credited as secret lover. Secret lover, one word and

L-U-V-U-R spelling lover. Played the president on television. Yes. There's a lot of options there. There's Martin Sheen. I don't think Martin Sheen is going to be playing secret lover to anyone. There is technically Clive Owen. Yes, but no. Nobody watched that. Is it a fictional president or a real president?

Yes. Fictional president on television. On a very popular show. on 24? Yes. Who was that fucking precedent? And would be someone's secret lover. I feel like there was multiple precedents on that awful show. Is it stranger than fiction?

It's not stranger than fiction. What's a movie where somebody might be like a screen name, Secret Lover? Oh, men, women, and children. Yeah, want to take a guess who it was? Uh, it's Rosemary DeWitt goes on a date with someone in that movie. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. It's, um... Oh, God. No, no, no, no, no. Um, it's, it's, um, Dennis Hayesbert.

It's Dennis Hayesbert. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. All right. Which of these movies filmed primarily in and around Chicago? Uh... Uh... Is burnt faking New York for Chicago? Is it burnt? Well, Burnt is it? not set in New York. Oh, it's said in London. That's right.

Men and Women and Children. No. Men, Women and Children filmed in Austin, Texas. I would have put money that that filmed in Toronto, Canada. Stranger Than Fiction. It is Stranger Than Fiction. Very good. Which one of these films was a Razzie nominee? Men, Women, and Children? No.

Burnt. Wow. Stranger than fiction. Nope. Much to do about nothing. Yep. What was that? What was that?

Is it like, oh, no, they hated Keanu Reeves. They nominated Keanu Reeves. They nominated Keanu Reeves. It's fine in that movie. Yes, I agree. Which movie had the same cinematographer as the 2011 film Jane Eyre? Ooh. Isn't that Robbie Ryan?

Nope. Okay. No, is it Greg Frazier? Nope. this is someone not really no no but think of like the way well it's not right it's not like stylistically well men women and children no bride's head revisited no god burnt yes Antonio goldman did the cinematography for burnt and Janeair which two movies feature stars of the producers.

So that's Nathan Lane, Matthew Broderick, Uma Thurman. That definitely includes burnt. Burnt, Uma Thurman, yep. Will Ferrell is in the producers, so Stranger Than Fiction. Very good. Burnt and Stranger Than Fiction. Well, reasoned. Which two movies feature the stars, or feature stars of The Danish Girl? Oh, God.

Well, that's Alicia Vakander, Eddie Redmayne, Amber Hur. um who else is in that movie um alicia vanderson burnt yes i am being intentionally mean to you by making you remember the danish because it's probably neither amber herd nor eddie redmayne um correct yeah it's neither of them who else was in this movie I can't remember Look at the stars of the other movies and think Who might be Might have been in the Danish girl?

Was Ben Wishaw in it? Ben Wishaw In fact, in it, yes Is Ben Wishaw also playing a trans character in it? I don't think a trans character But Ben Wishaw definitely like kisses a queer person Kisses Eddie Redmayne, yes Which two movies feature stars of

the village. Ah, lots of people in the village. The Meyerowitz stories, Sigourney. Very good. You got that one quick. I will never forget that she introduces herself. I love that. The first person from the village that you go to is Sigourney Weaver.

And men, women, and children for Judy Greer. Very good. God, you got that one very quickly. All right. Which movie opened the same weekend as Gone Girl? That is Twan. 2015, so that is burnt. Nope.

Wrong on both counts. Oh, wow. No, it's 2014. So it is men, women, and children. Correct. Which movie opened the same weekend as Stepbrothers? Stepbrothers is a summer movie,

and it's certainly not going to be stranger than fiction. It's Bride's Head revisited. Very good, yes. Which movie opened the same weekend? Oh, wait, that's the last. I kept a question. I copied in pasted from the last quiz so that was last okay of which movie did

Entertainment Weekly's Owen Glyberman say redacted director is such a skillful filmmaker that he doesn't just score didactic points he's made the first movie to capture the tone, the rhythm, the flavor of our experience as it comes filtered through technology. Men, women, and

children. Yep. Get Ben Owen Glyberman My nemesis. Of course you had to pull a quote from my nemesis. Which movie did Rex Reed call a mildly entertaining but well-acted, sumptuously photographed, and smartly written comedy with dark undertones about culinary

addiction that can only be called delicious. Culinary addiction. Burnt. Bert! Rex Reed loved him some bert. Which movie did Roger Ebert call a good sound

example of the British period drama mid-range merchant ivory, you could say? Much to do about nothing? No. Bride's Head Revisited. Brideshead Revisited, and that is the end of our quiz, Chris file. He's not wrong. Mid-range version of Ivory.

Yeah. All right. Good job, Chris. You passed. Thank you. You have a Thompson quiz. All right. She's a legend.

She's an icon. She is the moment. She is the moment. I will always love her. I want to talk about that glad nomination. For wide release, too. It's Outstanding Film Wide Release. Well, this did get a wide release.

I mean, it did, but sometimes the movies that they qualify for wide release and limited release are arbitrary. It's an interesting. So let's dig into, though. The winner is Milk, which is justified for as many problems as I have with Dustin Lance Black. I think Milk is a good movie and a good queer movie. So very good. Honestly, I'll stick up for rock and rolla because I, mostly because I think Tom Hardy was hot in that movie. What a fucking weird nomination.

I have not seen rock and rolla. I mean, if you're limiting yourself, Tom Hardy's gay in that movie. Okay. Yeah. Listen, if you're limiting yourself to wide releases in 2008, you're maybe having a limited cool. That's probably fair. Because they also nominate Vicki Christina Barcelona, which to me is some real shallow. shit for

this. Like, yes, they both, there's a threesome at one point in the movie, but, like, I would not say that that constitutes queer themes, really? I think it's like a threesome kiss, too. I forget if those characters were all actually fucking. But I think

Penelope Cruz's character is canonically bisexual in that movie. No? I think I've only seen that movie once. I think Penelope Cruz's character is like, aren't I so crazy? And it's just like... Conceivably bisexual. Yeah.

And then... The Vicky Christina Barcelona are just bisexual enough. It falls into the category. Nick and Norah's Infinite Playlist, a movie I haven't seen probably since the first time I saw it, even though I remember liking it pretty well. I think it's just that, like, one of them has a friend who is gay. And it's not even, like, Ari Greiner's character who rules. Like, it's, like, one of them has a gay friend.

I think that's all it is. Is like Daniel Franzazi in this movie or something? No, but, like, it's essentially just like... That's conceivable to me. Yeah. But anyway, so, like, Slim Pickens there, the limited release movies are even more interesting in that, like, I don't know if I've seen any of these.

Like, Noah's Ark jumping the broom is one of the two winners, which I definitely remember watching Noah's Ark. Did you ever watch Noah's Ark when you were your nervous that? On Logo. Back when I had Logo, and I was like, I should watch more things on Logo. I genuinely feel like there are only like 12 episodes in existence of Noah's Ark, but I definitely watched all of them multiple times just because Logo would play them all the time. And then a movie called Shelter, which also won, which I've never seen.

Have you ever seen this movie, Shelter? I haven't seen any of these. I'm just going to read to the log lines of these ones. Oh, well, it co-stars Tina Holmes, who spent, like, an entire decade playing, like, the third wheel to queer relationships in indie movies. So, like, good for Tina Holmes. She was the girl, and you remember, did you ever see the other edge of 17, the gay edge of 17? She's like the third wheel in that. They shut up that movie at Cedar Point.

That's true. Iconic Cedar Point Cinema. Very good, yeah. All right. The log line for shelter. When his college dreams are sidelined by family obligations, a young man finds comfort in surfing with his best friend's brother. dot com present shelter um i'm sure it's a very good movie it stars brad row who i remember thinking was the hottest in the 90s and like he didn't do a single thing of of actual note as an

actor all right so there was a movie called save me um that starred among others okay so the poster of this movie is chad allen do you remember chad allen from the 80s at all sure was on my two dads and like a bunch of like sitcoms and stuff like that. No. No. Okay. He was an actor. He was on my two dads.

He came out when he was older and then got cast in a bunch of these sort of like queer things. So Save Me is a sex and drug addicted young man who was forced into a Christian run ministry in an attempt to cure him of his gay affliction where instead he is faced with the truth in his heart and spirit. So the poster of this movie is Chad Allen in like, uh, like a winter cap, you know what I mean, but like for fashion, and a cross, like an iron cross necklace, holding a crucifix like it's a gun to his temple in a very sort of like dark imagery of like, you know,

unsubtle Christian imagery. Ops Independent Cinema was the time. 100%. A movie called The Edge of Heaven, which I actually may have seen. Right, Fadia Keen. Okay, I have seen this movie. A Turkish man travels to Istanbul to find the daughter of his father's former girlfriend. So there's one, at least, that I have seen, Fadia Keens, The Edge of Heaven, and then XXY,

why, because we like you, which is a Lucia Puenzhou movie, the story of an intersex 15-year-old. She lives with her parents who have to cope with the challenges of her medical condition. Also did not win. So anyway, those were the gay Indies. of 2008. So like the gulf between, you know, these very, very, very tiny movies that all, you know, at the very least had incredibly explicit front street, like they were about queer things. You know, quality, quality aside. You know what I mean? They were all about queer things. And then these like bigger movies that really had to scrape to like, I guess Michael Sarah's friend was gay. You know what I mean? It's just 2008, my man. This was the year that. California passed a defensive marriage bill and ruined the Obama election after party for me. Like, I remember actively being, like, so awesome that Obama got elected. This is so good.

And it's like, oh, right, but at the very exact same time, California passed that Prop 8. Remember? Prop 8. Gave Dustin Lance Black more shit to write about for a decade. There you go. There you go. That was Dustin Lans Black that was like doing the like Prop 8 play that like George Clooney did a live reading of or something. We took to the streets and protested the Mormon Visitors Center in New York that week, that day after, I believe.

And my office, I worked at ABC at the time, which is like next door to there. So I literally just sort of like rolled out of my office and just like got into a little march with Dan Savage and a whole bunch of people and the very same Mormon center that is dramatized in Angels in America because the Mormon church had funded essentially quite a bit of

the thing. 2008, what a time. What a weird time. All right, can we talk about Ben? Wishaw. I was wondering why it was taking you so long to get into it. Wishaw. Okay, so, yes. He had been in some movies before Brideshead Revisited. Oh, he had been in I'm not there. That's maybe the first time I had ever seen him.

He's like the Bob Dylan in that movie with the least screen time, but he is... He's essentially Arthur. He's Arthur Rimbo more so than Bob Dylan, right? That's sort of the thing? Yeah, but like everybody is like Bob Dylan and not in that movie. Right, right, right. The movie's incredible. That makes sense, though, that that would have been the first thing I saw him in, and then Bride's Head is the first thing that I was like, oh my goodness. this beautiful little wisp of a thing. But he had also been in that movie, Perfume, the story of a murderer, which I hadn't seen

until after, which was directed, I think, by Tom Tickfer, right? Yes. With Ben Wishaw and Alan Rickman. Is that queer-themed? Or is that not? I think it's queer themed, or, like, queer-coded in that it's, like...

Do crime. Bekei do crimes. Big A do crimes. commit perfume murders. And then he was in Layer Cake, which I had seen, and I don't remember Ben Washaw in that movie at all. But, like, that movie is, like, everybody who has ever been in a Guy Ritchie movie

was also in Layer Cake, playing somebody with a Northern English accent of some sort. And good for everybody. Michael Gambon was also in that movie. so I guess Brideshead Revisited is a Gambon-Wishaw reunion. And he was in Enduring Love, which I always talk about the Roger Michel. I need to eventually see that movie. Psycho Reese I Fon's Balloon Accident Movie.

So I also don't really remember who he played in that. I should go back and watch that again, though, and see what Wishaw was up to. But Brideshead Revisited was the thing for me. I remember the trailer for this movie featured the two most gorgeous shaw. shots of the movie. The one of them with it's Haley Atwell, Ben Wishaw, Matthew Good,

in the gondola in Venice, all in their white linen, like sun hat, like looking absolutely gorgeous. And then there's the other shot of Michael Gambon on the fainting couch bracketed by Julia and Sebastian, and he

puts one hand on each of their shoulders and essentially is just like going to be a weird summer. And I loved, I thought it was, so already from that trailer, I was so taken with Ben Wishaw, and I think he gives a really genuinely lovely performance. Yeah, he's, like, doing all the Wishaw things that I really love, that I would come to really love. Not that it's a surprise that Ben Wishaw would be great at a movie, but I think his performance in this is probably the best one.

100%. And most, especially because. he only gets half of the movie to do it and he really gets across fairly economically just the depth of not only like because he's in love with Charles but I think he even understands that this is you know a sort of summer infatuation kind of a thing and it's more about the longing for him that it is about the actual relationship it's that like this is this you know man who he is in love with and is completely unavailable. to him for reasons beyond his control, that, like, even if Charles was, you know, as attracted to him as he is to Charles, and if he's, even if Charles was as in love with him, that they wouldn't be able to be together because of society, but also because of his mother's, you know, choking Catholicism. And all of that gets communicated, I think, very economically by wishaw in actually not that many scenes, right? It's like seven scenes, essentially. He's wonderful.

I love him so much. Best performance. Terrific actor, looping back to the very beginning when we were talking about the Gotham's. I was surprised that passages did so well without nominating him at the Gotham's. Without nominating Wishaw. Oh, it's so funny because Raghowski has sort of swallowed up all of the conversation that I'm like, I'm not surprised at all. Like, nobody has ever talked about Ben Wichon in that movie. Everybody just talks about Wigowski. Well, I mean, gay people certainly have.

Even gay people are just like, I think, I think everybody's so all in on Rikowski. Like. Wishaw is legitimately great in the movie as well. I love him. I absolutely love. One of his best performances. Yeah, I think he's great.

Listeners, you can currently watch passages on movie. And you should watch it. So the year after. Brideshead Revisited. He's in Jane Campion's Bright Star. And he is bringing a lot of that same energy, but to obviously, like, a straight character in this, like, it's my one, it's my favorite straight romance in any movie. And it's maybe like, you know what I mean? And to, to accomplish, that it's like, uh, uh, it helps that it is a gay actor playing this. And also it's like playing a straight, a straight character who like reclines in a tree full of

purple flowers and writes poetry and is. Spends half of the movie on a couch. Spends half of the movie on a couch. He's everything I've ever wanted in a straight person. It's a lovely movie. Yeah. You love Bright Star as much as I do. Yes, Bright Star is amazing. I've talked about it so many times. I will give you a little room to talk about it. And also, have you seen The Tempest, which he's in the year after Bright Star. No, I have never seen Julie Tamors the Tempest. We should do that as an exception. An exception? Okay.

Because what a weird story. And we could talk about Julie Tamer and we could talk about Ben Wishaw playing a weird shapeless ghost in that. Oh, I am intrigued. The embodiment of the wind or something. He's essentially like it's the titular role. He is the tempest. But like he is kind of that. Like that he kind of is that in this movie from what I understand.

You know what I mean? Um, so I think that's, uh, that's especially funny. All we'll be doing is playing soundclips of, uh, you're, you're the tempest. You're the titular role. Um, he gets cast as Q in Skyfall, which is a, um, sort of intentional and kind of a cheeky recast of that role from being, you know, uh, it's Desmond Llewellyn, right? Who's in the Bond movies as Q? He's the sort of older.

he's like what if Alfred from Batman but was your gadget guy essentially especially in like the Pierce Brosman ones when he's older um so he's like young little gadget guy there's this big honkin deal in no time to die when you're just like we're finally making Q canonically gay and he like has a husband I think or boyfriend or something boyfriend because he's dating he's like actively dating um in a scene and that's nice I suppose it's you know I'm not going to count it as like historical progress, but it's nice that, you know, Ben Washa can, uh, all things being equal be queer when, you know, he can't. You mean, you mean to say we're not going to get, uh, the next James Bond will like not be jet setting. Like, uh, there's a whole set piece in Puerto

Vallada. I was going to say, province town is the big, uh, uh, bad shit's going down at the, uh, the ice house in Fire Island or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 100%. Uh, listen, I'd be going to Abitha. Cloud Atlas 2012, we've talked about it. I think his performance, especially in the, um, his main storyline where he's the Frobisher, Robert Frobisher character. Um, I think he's astoundingly good in that he makes me cry. Every time I watch that movie, the sort of, it's another gay longing role. He really kind of has quartered the market, quarter of the market on gay longing in a lot of these movies, but like he does do it very well. So, um, Uh, good for him for that.

Where are you on Paddington? Let's see him do some gay wrath. Let's see he do gay rap. He could pull it off. He could pull it off. He should be a gay serial killer if he's not already wanted. I was going to say, wasn't that perfume? Um, where do you stand on the Paddington movies, where he plays the voice of Paddington bear? Well, oh, this is, if the, if the listeners weren't going to yell at you for being mild, on Paddington. This is where the listener...

Nope, this is why I'm going to make them... Why I'm going to make you do it. I haven't seen the Paddington movie. Oh, that's interesting. Are you trying to not see it so that you don't have to become part of the Paddington... Team Paddington on the... It really just, like, it is not... It has slipped by being a priority enough that I haven't seen it, but it is not some act of a mission.

It has just never been at the top of the list. and when those movies were in theater. Well, I mean, like, Paddington, too, people made a big deal out of, and, like, Paddington, the first Paddington. People turned Patington, turned liking Paddington, too, into a meme in a way that I found obnoxious. I think it just made people joyful at a very dark time. Sure. And I hadn't seen the first installment, so I felt like I couldn't see the second until I saw the first. And, like, when the first was in theater, you'd be lost in the intricate plot machinations.

Yeah, exactly. Where did this bear come from? What's going on? I can't just jump onto a moving treadmill. I can't. Like, I gotta start. Will you marathon them like people did with the saw movies this year in preparation? Why did people do that? Why were people under this delusion that the saw movies?

I almost did it. We're interesting enough to go review. I mean, like, I say there's just someone who just watched all of the hunger games. games movies. I was going to say, and also like, why did I do that? Honestly, I was like, there's 10 of them. I've only seen one of them. Maybe I'll marathon them and I just ran out of time or else I would have done it. But will you catch up before Paddington in Peru, which I think release is early, early next year. If it's not a February movie, oh no, they've moved it to November. Officially now, it is a family tent pole now. So best of luck to you, Paddington and

Peru. Not to be all 2011 and say, don't at me, but don't at me that I haven't seen the Paddington movies yet. Don't do it. I'm sure I will enjoy them. Ben-Wishaw is in 2015, everything. He's decides, I'm just going to be in everything. He's in the lobster. He's in Suffragette, which we saw playing the least Ben-Wishaw role of all, which is domineering husband. Okay. I do respect the choice of casting a Ben-Wishaw in that role as part of a point to say what a domineering husband Right, it doesn't have to be Bluto from the Popeye cartoons or whatever. It doesn't have to be Clive Owen.

Right, right, right, right, right, right. The Brendan Gleason is in that movie. That's fair, that's fair. He's in the Danish girl, he's in Spector, and then he plays Herman Melville in The Heart of the Sea. A movie that we should do. Well, I mean, we've done John... I'd do it.

I'd happily do it. Thoughts on any of those? I know we've done an episode on Suffragette. Love to see him booked and busy. Yeah. Paddington 2, 2017. I've not seen a hologram for the king, so I can't really talk about that. I don't love him in Mary Poppins return.

I didn't like him in that either. Which, like, maybe we should just move on, because I don't know... Maybe we should just move on. Honestly, I want better for him. Like, it's a, it's a wasted, whatever. Saving Mr. Banks, save Mr. Banks from that movie. Because he also plays Michael Banks. Personal History of David Copperfield.

He plays a real creep in that one. He plays. I forget who he plays, but I hated that. He plays Uriah Heep. He plays the, like, underhanded sort of. Oh, don't they basically give him a mustache to twirl. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I did not. But he's also like, but he's also like kind of like, malformed and misshapen. You know what I mean? He's sort of like a little troll. I will steal your life, David Copperfield. Something. Listen, don't cast Ben Wishaw as Uriah Heep.

Cast him as Imogen Heap. Whoa. Make that biopic happen, everybody. I know. Doesn't that sound great? Ooh, what you say, the Image in Heap story. Um, I'm into it. Okay. So honestly, the next big thing, I mean, he does a bunch of really interesting TV. He's in the hour, uh, in 2011, which was this great, uh, BBC miniseries on, uh, this news program. He's in that miniseries London spy, which I think he's queer in that. Uh, he's in a very English scandal. He's definitely queer in that. He's in a season of Fargo in 2020. Oh, right, he's in the bad season of Fargo. Not there are many, seasons of Fargo as far as I'm concerned, but the one that, like, I think more people agreed

with me was bad, the Chris Rock season of Fargo. He's in the, another BBC AMC co-production called This Is Going to Hurt, which was a medical miniseries that I don't remember very much at all, but it was last year. So he's done a lot of television, put it that way. And he's also done his fair share of theater. I've seen him in a play called The Pride with Andrea Riseborough and oh, who was the other guy? It was, it was, um, fuck. It was Hugh Dancy, right. It was Ben Rishaw, Hugh Dancy.

Joe Mantello directed that production of it. It was great. Queer themed as well there. So good things there. He was in the Sirsher Ronan Crucible, wasn't he? Right? Wasn't he John Proctor to Sirsheronin's Abigail Williams? on Broadway.

Wasn't that a strange? People did not seem to care for that production. They did not. Well, that was, what's his face? Wasn't it? I think it was Eva Van Hover. I think so. Anyway, comes back, a little bit of a comeback.

I was still kind of surprised. If women talking is the Best Picture nominee, I was kind of surprised that he got no traction for supporting actor in that movie, even though I know it was a divisive performance. Again, I would personally rather move on because I don't want to talk. You don't like him in women talking.

I think that's a bad performance. I like him in that. I like everything in women talking. I don't know. Should have been Judith Ivy. We all should have got on board. I agree. You know, I was on the Judith Ivy thing before you were.

So like, let's... Because you saw the movie two days before I did? Listen, I'm just staying facts here, my friend. I'm just being factual. I don't know about you. Yeah, Judith Ivy. Everybody was like, is it going to be Jesse Buckley, or is it going to be Claire Foy? It never should have been a conversation.

It was going to be Judith Ivy. Once you see all of us strangers, I have a Claire Foy theory that's going to make me sound like a dick, but I think is right that I'm interested to float past you. I will not forget to ask about this. And then passages, you mentioned passages this year. Terrific performance. Terrific performance. Franz Ruggowski is getting all the credit, but Ben Wischaw is also great.

And he's filming something called Lemanov the Battle of Eddie, which, sure, I'm into it. Pavel Pavl Pavlowski's new movie. I don't know. Oh, no, wait. It was going to be Pavel Pavlovakowski's new movie. And now it is a Russian filmmaker. Who...

Oh, is it the guy who did Beanpole? Very possibly. Didn't love that either. It's the guy who did Tchaikovsky's wife. Oh, right. I haven't seen any of his films. Yeah. So, anyway, Ben Washa, we love him.

All right, we are coming up. Well, what else do we want to say about this film, the experience of it? I would say, just quickly, Haleyatwell, a performer who I genuinely like whenever I see her, but I feel like I never really see her, especially out of Marvel. Well, okay, people talk about her as if, like, Marvel dominated her life. She did one short-lived Marvel television series and made, like, two and a half Marvel movies. But then she goes and plays, like, The Teacher and Blinded by the Light, which, like... Okay, we're going to do the Haley Atwell thing.

Always like her, but... I like her. I like her. And listen, her Marvel TV series is maybe the best Marvel TV series. Like, it is genuinely, um, uh, Agent Carter is awesome. Like, genuinely fucking, it was also before there were a ton of Marvel TV series. And it was on ABC. It was on like network television and it ruled. Which is probably why it was good. Well, I don't know. I think there are... Well, there was also Agents of Shield, which, like, I watched three.

episodes with my husband and I hate it. Agents of Shield, I have a very, we don't have time for me to talk about my relationship with Agents of Shield. I think that show evolved into something very good. It just became something very separate from the MCU and that was fine. The thing about Agent Carter that was

good is it was set decades before any of the stuff that was happening in the movies, so it could exist in its own space without being like why isn't, why aren't any of the big major characters showing up in this thing? So, All right, so after Brideshead Revisited, or the same year, she's in The Duchess, the

Kira Knightley movie, The Duchess, and then, like, Captain America is basically her next big movie. She does some, she does a bunch of television, actually. She's in, like, a lot of British TV. She's in, oh, my God, the... Pillars of the Earth. The best, one of my favorite Black Mirror episodes. Everybody talks about, and rightfully so, San Junipero, as being the, like, most, like,

tragic love story kind of a thing and Mackenzie Davis and Guguma Mothoron they're both great but Haley Atwell and Dominal Gleason Oh I've seen this one This one is very good Where he's the like Android version of her dead husband Yes

Is so good and sad And I love it so much And it was very early on It was like the second season of Black Mirror But I'm highly recommended So and that aired in 2013 So I already, like, she was already in Captain America by then, but like, oh, my God, I loved her. She was also in that adaptation of the Ken Follett novel, The Pillars of the Earth.

That was like stars that was, like, massive, right? It was like everybody's in that, like Matthew McFadden and Ian McShane and Eddie Redmayne. And I've never seen it. Have you seen that? Ken Follett books being a massive thing for a minute. I have not seen it. What are his other books that were, that were a thing. I think they were all

like that with titles like... Was it like the White Queen and stuff like that? Was that ConFollett? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. That's the vibe. Love it. Okay. All I remember Ken Follett is when I worked at the public library, like all of his books would be

this sort of like massive section. Anyway, but that was like a big huge thing. And because it was on stars, I was like, oh, this is probably nothing. And then it was like, wait a second. This is like enormous. Is Agent Carter in a bunch of a bunch of things. I guess her other big movies, she's at the very beginning

of Cinderella, the Lily James Cinderella, where she's Cinderella's mother, and then she dies. She's maybe the mom and also in Christopher Robin, or is he his wife? Or is she his wife in that? His like, grown-up. Okay. That's a thankless rule.

I know. But she's enjoyable in that movie. I didn't really think was very good. I liked Blinded by the Light. I'm going to save that. It's a cute movie. I'm just going to come out and say that. I think it's a good movie.

It maybe helped me like Springsteen more. Oh, I mean, I didn't need a movie to make me like Springsteen, but I get it. I get what you're saying there. That makes a lot of sense. Spring scene, I think, for like, you are at the tail end of, like. I remember born in the USA and my lived experience. Oh, I do too, but like I remember born in the. USA in ways that I was uncomfortable with and Springsteen would be uncomfortable with in like,

you know. Well, how old, when, what year were you born? 87. Yeah, so, like, born in the USA came out when you were like zero years old. Yes, but like. Right. Like, I remember. Like, in context where, like, they're like, born in the USA right before I'm proud

to be an American. Sure, sure, sure. But see, but that's the difference is I remember born in the USA before it was co-opped as a union song. Right. as the song is written to be. Wow, imagine reading comprehension levels being low in certain parts of the same. I see what you're talking about when you look at the filmography and you see all these Marvel movies in there.

And it is true, but it also is like most of them she's playing like in one scene. You know what I mean? Where it's just like Peggy Carter cameo or whatever. She is really fun in Dead Reckoning. I love her in Dead Reckoning. I love her in Dead Reckincentia. I don't love that movie, but I think she's, I think she's great. Well, no, I thought it was a good time.

It was definitely aided by me rewatching all of those movies right beforehand, because, like, who are these villains you're talking about? Who are they? They, like, have gone through multiple movies, and I have no idea who these people are. I think Dead Reckoning Part 1 is a little bit resting on the laurels of, everybody, we can be dumb and everyone loves us for it. So why don't we just be like really dumb? And I think it's like significantly dumber than all the other Mission Impossible movies just in terms of like, nothing dumber in that movie than who they kill off.

I was so unhappy. I didn't, I mean, that kind of had to happen. But I also don't love, like, I'm not, I am not as in the thrall of those movies as everybody else is. I don't dislike. I enjoy myself understanding what is happening at any time and who the villain is just like the base level question of

who is the villain in this movie never could follow I think when the sixth one came out and people were like one of the best five movies of the year I was like all right this is all officially gone entirely too far but anyway at well

great and she's going to be in the next one And she's a great addition to them. I refuse. I'm not falling for this thing where it's like, these are the last ones. Bullshit. Like, absolutely do I not believe that. So, um, maybe she's got a few more in, uh, Tom Cruise will not stop until he dies on screen. Come on. Come on. All right. Um, so, yeah, I think Haley Atwell is good in Brideshead revisited. I really lose patience for that character really quickly. So, like, that doesn't help her cause very much. But, um...

There you have it. We should probably talk about Matthew Good also, since I did promise that we did, that we would. So the thing that I was sort of alluding to, he does Brideshead revisited. He had been in, well, he had been in Matchpoint and Chasing Liberty. Okay, was the first thing you saw him in Match Point or Chasing Liberty? I think this is a crucial distinction. Chasing Liberty. It was.

Okay. So Chasing Liberty, 2004, he is the, she's, Mandy Moore is the daughter of the president. There was a time, ladies and gentlemen, in which the entirety of pop culture was obsessed with the idea of what if the president had a daughter who dated because at the time, or yeah, at the time the president had daughters and we were sort of like,

it's too bad we can't like enjoy the Bush daughters because it's Bush. So it's like, what if we had fictional Bush daughters who we could like. And like, if we only knew in culture that we had to just, like, wade it out and that Jenna Bush would be, like, co-host of the Today Show in 20 years, like, who to thunk it? But anyway, what if Mandy Moore was the daughter of the president? What if she met a haughty in Europe? Is it? All right, you've seen Chasing Liberty. I have not seen Chasing Liberty probably since theaters. Well, I've never seen it. So why don't you tell me what happened? You know, it basically

got lumped in with First Daughter, the Katie Holmes version of this But Chasing Liberty is the good one, right? Yeah, but Chasing Liberty is the good one. Right. But I think First Daughter was the more successful one. And he's like, what if I was a haughty who romanced

the daughter of the president? And also like, Mandy Moore's the best. I love Mandy Moore. Can't even remember who he is in Matchpoint. He's also an Imagine Me and You. Can't imagine can't remember who he is in that. In Matchpoint, he's the he's, I mean, not

use a term I hate, but he's the cuck, essentially, right? Like, he's the, he's the one who's supposed to... I don't remember. He's... Or no, he's maybe... Right, Jonathan Rees-Myers is engaged to Emily Mortimer and has the affair with Scarlett Johansson, but is Matthew Good, like, with Scarlett Johansson?

I got to see Matchpoint again. I really like Matchpoint, and I'm, like, mixing up the plot. What a film, what a cast. I really love it. Anyway, and then he's in Imagine Me and You, which is a movie that I mentioned in our quiz with Christina about lesbian relationship movies. The old Parker movie, Imagine Me and You. He is not one of the two lesbian leads. Okay.

He's also, though, he's in a movie called The Lookout that starred. It was a Scott Frank movie with Joseph Gordon-Levitt. It's like a crime movie. Just from the look of the post. when that movie came out, I was like, well, I'm not seeing that. I liked it. The poster is very mid-aughts, like, stylish crime. You know what I mean? And that's sort of what it was. But Matthew Good plays this real scuzzy type. And it took me a while to be like, that's who that is. That's Matthew Good. He's quite fantastic

in that movie. So, okay, Brian said revisited. We just talked about it. The very next year, it's quite the double bill because he's in a single man as the sort of ghost of relationships past the Christopher Nolan dead wife but make it gay one million percent

well described there yes exactly and then in the same year he is in the absolutely misbegotten Zach Snyder version of Watchmen playing the

quite consequential role of Adrian Viet Osamandias, and most people agree he's very poorly cast. And my feeling is in a better movie, they could have made that casting work.

I agree. Watching Jeremy Irons do it in the TV show, and obviously it's a much older version of the character, but you really get the sense of like, oh, oh, like this is sort of, this is what you needed. I think Watchman has

casting problems sort of up and down the ballot, right? Where I think crewed up as Dr. Manhattan is really good but I think even like somebody who I really like Patrick Wilson as Night Owl doesn't quite do it Malin Ackerman God bless baby girl

but she like as Silk Specter is not great it also just felt like very as anticipated a movie as it was and like that was a movie that was fantasy cast to death for years incredible teaser trailers loved the trailers

loved all of that. And then, like, the movie is such a letdown, suffocating in its dedication to recreating the comic book exactly as it looked on the page. Which is, like, yes, you can do that, but you also have to still successfully develop the themes of that text. And, like, that's what makes Zach Snyder uniquely unequipped to adapt watch. It also is probably dead in the watch. as a single film adaptation.

Like, not to be, like, but this is, this is one of the things why so many people said make it a TV show instead of a movie. Like, that's why we're sort of in the pickle that we are is because so many times they tried to make a movie that in two hours was just not a satisfying adaptation of a long, sprawling story. And so Watchman is the one where, like, that actually makes a ton of sense. Watchman as a TV series, even though it wasn't adapting Watchman, it was a, adapting the world of Watchman. God, that was so good. Did you watch that, right? Yes, incredible.

Incredible. Um, but anyway, oh, such a watchman was definitely, the Zach Snyder Watchman was definitely one of those movies. I always hate when I do this because I always feel like a real asshole afterwards. But it was definitely one of those movies where I watched it and I was like Homer Simpson, it's still good, it's still good. You know what I mean? That Simpsons were like the pig from the barbecue is on a runaway and it's whatever it's where i'm just like no there was good things watchman was good it did this thing well it just and like i always look back at that and i'm just been being like you could have just said nothing and like figured out your opinion and then like had a much more you know accurate whereas like trying to like defend this version

of the movie that you wanted it to be you know what i mean there's something aesthetically compelling about the movie but it is well the opening is really good everybody who's you know the the times they are a change in opening or whatever it's a very arresting opening to it but it's too bad yeah um anyway matthew good next year and leap year the amy adams romantic comedy classic down the middle of the plate rom-com like if you want to define what a romantic comedy was in the aughts even though it does released in 2010, like, point somebody to leap year. It's maybe a little bit better than it was treated at the time. If we knew that that was going to be one of the last 10 rom-coms ever made as for theatrical

distribution, we would have been a lot nicer to that and 27 dresses, I might add. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There is something about leap year that, like, it's not quite bargain bin, but it is fundamentally stupid in that, like, when it came out, people were, like, like, when it came out, Romantic comedies were like, this is beneath Amy Adams. And it's like, sure. Sure. Like, people are overdoing it a little bit.

She can't only make Oscar movies, though. Like, that's the thing. You used to be able to do both. You used to be able to have dual career paths if you were in Amy Adams. But when people had dual career paths, they were doing sometimes much better movies of this. Of course. Yes. You're absolutely right.

The next big major thing for Matthew Good, I think, is probably. his best performance, and my favorite of them is Stoker, because... He's so... First of all, Stoker rules. Second of all, he is playing this kind of not affable villain, but like, you know, villain who is passable in normal society because he is handsome. He has this Rosamond Pike thing of... In every performance, there is this just like vibe of... conceivable sinisterness

that like... Matthew Good and Stoker all of his performances. So it's like when you cast someone that person to be actually sinister, it works really well. Matthew Good and Stoker is like a chaotic bisexual if the two sexualities were murderer and not murderer.

Like instead of heterosexuality and homosexuality, he's like blending murderer and not murderer in very chaotic ways. Yes. Yes. I like him a lot. It's so weird to me that Stoker in the imitation game are year after year, because Stoker in the imitation game, in my memory, feel like they happen 10 years apart from each other. Like, I don't know why I feel that way. Matthew Good cast well in a role that is significant, and I challenge you to tell me what he does in the imitation game. I remember, like, I mean, he's like one of the, like, other people

in Benedict Cumberbatch's orbit. Who's the one I really like in the imitation game? It's the guy from Game of Thrones, from the first season of Game of Thrones. What's his name? Is there a hot redhead in this movie? Or no, I'm thinking of the wrong movie. I'm doing the, I'm mistaking the imitation game for the theory of everything. The theory of everything was the one who has the guy from the first season of Game of Thrones, who I think is really good. Continue. That's fine. But this is also when like Matthew Good starts being cast in these kind of, I don't want to say, nothing

roles, but like, not distinguishable characters. He is in the potato movie. Sure is. He's in Allied, I guess. Exactly. That's the thing. You could say that about a lot of things, right? He's in the potato movie, I guess.

He's in, I do remember him in Doughton Abbey, where they like bring him in to be like, listen, we got to give ladies marry a hot guy. And we tried it with the one guy from weekend for a season, and that kind of fizzled. So now, like, we're calling in the reinforcements. We're bringing in Matthew Good. And he's managed to stick around long enough to be in the movies, or at least a movie. He'll be opposite Anthony Hopkins this year in Freud's last session. As we're recording this, we might start to hear reactions about it because it's playing AFI. Everything

that I've heard about AI this year is that, like, the sky. Screenings aren't even full. Ooh. This isn't a sneak movie. Like, Sony Classic has said that they were releasing this movie around Christmas all year long. It's a sneak movie. Play a real festival. Gross and Balls, Freud's last session.

Play Tiff if you're going to release. He's in The Duke, which we should mention, because it was Roger Michelle's final film. I have fun with that movie. I still haven't seen it. I feel so bad. It's cute. It, like, played Venice, but not Toronto, and then the next year played Tell Your Ride because it was during the pandemic and then still didn't come out until the following spring. Uh-huh, sure.

A really weird release for that movie. He's in the Kingsman. Passed. Which I don't like those movies. I didn't see the Kingsman. I don't like those movies. You couldn't even convince me with Julianne Moore in a skirt suit. to see one of those movies.

That's second one. I'm not seeing it. It's such a disappointment. Julian Moore and Channing Tatum, and it was bad. He's another one, like Ben Washa and Haley Atwell, who did a lot of TV, a lot of British TV. He was in Death Comes to Pemberley, which was that continuation of Pride and Prejudice that was on for a while. He was in a bunch of, like, Agatha Christie stuff. He was, in my opinion, really wasted for like a season and a half on The Good Wife.

I was really, really bummed when that character didn't really go anywhere on The Good Wife. He and Matthew Rees have that show where they go around and drink wine. Have you ever seen any of that where it's essentially like... What? I would watch the fuck out of this. What is this? It's called The Wine. It's called The Wine.

It's the Wine Show. It's him and Matthew Reese and they just go around and drink wine and talk. It's like the trip movies, except it's like them and wine. I like, I like those guys. I can't stand Steve Coogan. Sorry. I'd never like Steve Coogan. Rob Bryden's the funnier one, but like, I, I don't know. I enjoy it. He's on the crown? Did I stop watching it by the time he showed up? No, he shows up on season two. I don't remember that.

Season two was the last season that I kept up with and then it sort of lost me. Yeah, a lot of TV. It's all a cast of people that we like and wish well for. Yes. We got to get Emma Thompson that Oscar nomination. We got to get Emma Thompson that Oscar nomination, guys. She came close. She had some precursor-ish stuff, right?

A BFA nomination. She got a BFA. Listen, if they don't want it called BFA, we're still going to be calling it BFA, British where did you summer? I summered in Ibifa, and I gave Emma Thompson. Where's the Bifa? This cast of nominees is really interesting. Haley Atwell shows up for the Duchess in that.

Yes. Chris and Scott Thomas for Easy Virtue, the movie I only remember as a poster with Jessica Beal on it. Sienna Miller for The Edge of Love. And the winner, this is actually a really fucking cool winner, Alexis Seggerman for Happy Go Lucky. Who was that in Happy Go Lucky? Her roommate.

Great performance. I mean, like, quintessential Mike Lee supporting player performance. Good. Good for the Beefs. Amazing. Great call Bifa. Good job, Bifah. also mentioned that this version of Brideshead

revisited. Originally, there was a 1981 miniseries star Jeremy Irons that was quite popular and got a bunch of Emmy nominations I believe and was very good. And then they'd been trying to remake it as

a feature film for a while, and it was originally at one point set up with David Yates to direct for Warner Independent. He chose to do Harry Potter 5 instead. Good decision for David Yates and his bank account, I would say, because he's still raking it in from there. Paul Bettney, Jennifer Connolly, and Jude Law were originally going to be...

I imagine Paul Bettney is going to be your Matthew Good, and Jude Law would have been... Well, how would that have worked? Which one is your Ben-Wishaw? You wouldn't have Bettney and Connolly playing siblings, is what I would say. Oh, good point. So, Bettney is your Matthew Good, yeah. Jennifer Connolly is... Yeah. And then Jude Law would have been the Ben-Wishaw, which he's a little too hail and hearty for that, but whatever. My thing is,

there is a graveyard somewhere that is littered with the headstones of Paul Bettany, Jennifer Connolly projects that were doomed, either were made and were bad or were made, and nobody saw. And the one that gets made is the Charles Darwin movie. Nobody saw.

But it felt like there was a good 10 years where they kept trying to make movies and they were going to be in movies together. And it's like, I'm sure that marriage is, they're still together, right? Yeah. Good and lovely and long-lasting and happy and whatever. And they are just not meant to be a creative partnership. Like, that is just not in the cards, y'all.

God bless the both of you. And I really, my one thing coming out of Top Gun, when Top Gun was such an obnoxious success to me, was like at the very least Jennifer Connolly is back out there and you know who is the one person who has not reaped any rewards from fucking Top Gun Maverick it's Jennifer goddamn Connolly

she better have made like 20 million dollars off of that movie and back end royalties I hope she's not somewhere being like Paul what movie can we make together after this it's like no Jennifer stop it do something else should we move on to the IMDB game

let's move on to the IMDB why don't you explain the IMDB game to our listeners. Sure. Every week we end our episodes with the IMDB game, where we challenge each other with an actor or actress and try and guess the top four titles that IMDB says they are most known for. If any of those titles are television, voice-only performances or non-acting credits, we will mention that up front, ifter too wrong, ifter. I became a kiwi there for a second there. Ifter. Ifter two wrong-inses. Ifter two wrong-inses. We get their remaining titles, release years as a clue. My apologies to the lovely Melanie

Linsky for offending you and all of New Zealand right there. If that's not enough, it just becomes a free for all of hints. That's the IMDB game. Cool. What do you want, kiddo? Do you want to give or guess first? Give me the guess. Bring it on. Okay, so I actually went into the Julian

Gerald filmography. As I mentioned earlier, he directed the girl, the HBO movie where Alfred Hitchcock is played by none other than Toby Jones. For you, I have Toby A. Jones.

Motherfucker. No television. No television. This is not mean you have absolutely seen all of these movies. Okay. Is one of them let them no, not let them all talk. What was

the fucking Truman Capote that we did? Infamous. Infamous. Is it infamous? No. Okay. Toby Jones. He's the same. fucking guy and everything where he's like

popping up in an office somewhere being like I'm Toby Jones I'm Toby Jones here's a map Indiana Jones like here's you know what I mean it's just like it's that guy um although he's in okay he's in a Marvel movie doing essentially that and I think it's Captain America the Winter Soldier is a Captain America the Winter Soldier Are you do you want to go back to your notes

back to my notes You said Winter Soldier Uh-huh Is that your final guess? Is it the other Captain America? Is it Captain America the First Avenger? Yes, correct.

Okay. See, I'm not being mean to you today. Thank you for bailing me out. Okay. This is probably not right, but at least I'll get clues. The painted veil. The painted veil is correct. Really?

Okay. All right. All right. So Painted Vail. He's really good in that, I remember from... I do, too. It's just like, who remembers the Painted Vail but us. Toby, Toby, Toby, Toby, Toby, Toby Jones. Toby Jones. Oh, Toby, Toby, Toby, Toby. Okay. Oh, my God. I can, like, just picture him in so many things. I'm going to throw out the girl just so I'm.

can get a hint. I can get hints. Well, I said no TV, but incorrect. Your years are 2011 and 2012. Fuck. Okay. He's not in Le Miz, right? No. 2012 is a franchise movie.

2011 is a multiple Oscar nominee that at one time people thought could be a best picture nominee, but I don't think people like this movie enough of that. But multiple nominations. Ooh,

just kicked my mic. Including a very prominent acting nomination that I think led to someone's, led to that performers win a few years later. Oh, okay. Intriguing. So the nominee is in 2011. You've got Rooney Mara, Glenn Close,

they haven't won, Michelle hasn't won, He's not in the help. You might want to think of a different category. I'm just moving my way down the line. Actors were Damien Bashir and Moneyball. Not a Best Picture nominee, but people thought could be. Right, right, right, right, right.

So the artist and the descendants and Moneyball and Damien Bashir and, oh, oh, he's in Tinker-Taylor-Solder spy. Correct. Tinker Taylor Sorcer Spy. Okay. All right. It would have been a much better acting Oscar for Gary Oldman, in my opinion. So 2012 is... Franchise. Franchise.

Superhero franchise? No. But like action franchise. Yeah. This is the first installment of this franchise. First, Hunger Games. Hunger Games. Really?

He's the Hoda to San Diego. Lee-Toochee's Kathy Lee. Sorry. He said a bitch. He's the Hoda. That's perfect. All right.

I love that. Okay. That's it. I did it. I ran the gauntlet. I ran the Toby Jones gauntlet. What do you have for me? I also went into the Julian

Gerald filmography. He did a TV adaptation of great expectations that starred among others, Charlotte Rampling. Oh. And I didn't check, but I don't remember us doing this one at all. So if we have, it's been a bit. So give me Charlotte Rampling. They're all feature films.

This is so interesting because it could go a lot of different ways with Charlotte Rampling. Curious to see what, surely something on here is not in the English language. Swimming Pool. Yes. Swimming pool. The one I thought would be the hardest one. Oh, well, that's helpful. That also makes me think that Zardaz is not on there, which she kind of rules in Zardaws. Forty-five years. Yes, 45 years, her Oscar nomination. Never let me go in that. She gets the and credit, I'm pretty sure.

No, not whatever let me go. I think she does get the end credit. if swimming pool you thought would be the hardest to guess that tells me that like there might be another one that's there might be another one that's that's harder for you how far back should I go is the night porter there no damn that's two wrong guesses your remaining years are 2011 and 2016 okay so recent um one after her Oscar nomination and won before it. Is 2016 that movie The Sense of an Ending? No.

Okay. More well-known than The Sense of an Ending. Right. But not like... I don't know if you pulled the random person on the street. They'd know that this had been made into a movie. Oh, so it's a play or a book. Is it Red Sparrow?

It's not Red Sparrow, but think along those lines, but it's neither a play nor a book. So I'm going to guess that that's not a movie. It's a remake of a movie? It's not a remake of a movie. It's a prequel. No. What things get adapted into movies? Books, plays, other movies, musicals, but that counts as plays, I'm guessing, in your logic.

and comic books and poems. A very popular kind of thing that gets made into movies, even though... What am I being really stupid about? I don't partain. Video games. Yeah. There we go. I don't see a lot of those movies.

What video game was she in? Oh, no, that's Julieta Pinoche. What were you going to say? I was going to say Ghost in the Shell. Yeah. But that's also not a video game. video game that's anime um what video game

starring opposite a um oh no I don't think maybe they weren't a couple I don't know I don't think they were a couple okay never mind she in like it would be great if she was in a Super Mario brother's movie

it would be great the Dowager Peach cast her as Wendy Yeah, yeah. She's Daisy in the new Super Mario Brothers movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I always play as Wendy, so now I'm just going to think of her. Wait, which one is Wendy?

Wendy is the girl Bowser. Oh, I've never played anything. She's got the giant gold bangles and the bow. If she wasn't in Mario Kart Double Dash, I don't know her. Oh, okay. Yeah. This is going to drive me mad. Okay, based on a video game, this person,

also this director and star also teamed up for a Shakespeare adaptation a few years later later I think it's not Justin Kurtzol that would have been like 2015 oh then it

are you thinking of Macbeth yes was that before 2016 okay oh what did Justin Kurtzl make oh it's Assassin's Creed it's Assassin's Creed I would have sworn that Macbeth was after Assassin's Street. I didn't know she was in that. Okay, so 2011.

You love this movie. Oh. We've covered this movie. Oh. She's good in this movie. She's mean in this movie. Conceivably so, yes. Imagine that.

Now that we know it's not Dune, though, does she also get the And in Dune? And she does not. I believe and is Dave Batista. Then she's one of the wits because I don't think she's Hold on. Dune poster. Why don't I already have it? She's not on the Dune poster. She might be billed on the poster, but she's not on the poster. No, but she's billed. I mean, she's fucking slays that movie. Um, all downhill from there. Um, oh God, what have we covered in 2011 with Charlotte Rambling? Uh, it has to, is it British? Oh, is it... No, but it's...

She's not in pride. No. That's not 2011. She's one of the withs, with Charlotte Rampling, with Jason Mamoa, and Javier Bardem. Oh, Javier Bardem gets the aunt. Interesting. Yeah. Okay.

It's not British, but it's not, like, it was... It's English language, but European. Oh. Is it... this is a movie that bums me out but that's also the point but people who love it are like yeah this is a movie that bums you out that's why i like it um okay so something you would have been like uh do we have to do that um should have gotten a best actress nomination would have been this melancholia yeah there you go yeah yeah i can't believe it took you

that long to get melancholia she's only in the first first half hour of the movie. But she rules. She's so good. She's so mean. All right. All right. I got to get going.

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