This Had Oscar Buzz - 274 – Certified Copy (Patreon Selects)

Episode Date: February 5, 2024

Our patrons said we must stay in Tuscany! This week, we’ve got another Patreon Selects episode and it has us talking about one of our least favorite Oscar years. In 2010, Abbas Kiarostami returned to Cannes with yet another masterpiece in Certified Copy, a dense and transfixing musing on reproductions of art, authenticity, and perception. … Continue reading "274 – Certified Copy (Patreon Selects)"

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What kind of philosophy is that You like it You drink it She mistook her for my husband, and I didn't correct her. Hello, and welcome to the This Had Oscar Buzz podcast, the only podcast that has been shit on by a pigeon for good luck. Every week on This Had Oscar Buzz we'll be talking about a different movie that once upon a time had lofty Academy Award aspirations, but for some reason or another, it all went wrong. The Oscar hopes died, and we are here to perform the autopsy.

I'm your host, Joe Reed. I'm here, as always, with my fake that's better than any original Chris File. Hello, Chris. Ooh, I'm an original. No, you're a fake. That's better than original. What? I have never been called fake in my life.

You're a fake? What's the line in breakfast at Tiffany? I cannot contain myself ever enough to be fake. I am incapable of not exposing my real feelings about anything at any time. Listen, allow me to take you on a walking tour of a village in Tuscany to convince you that I am right and you are wrong. We are still in Tuscany. We have not left. We have not left Tuscany.

It is our Tuscany double feature. Listeners, we are coming to you from the past. Joe and I are throwing ourselves into the future. If we say anything weird, we are recording this days before the Oscar nomination. This is true. Know that. Know that. You are currently living in a world where Oscar nominations have happened.

What a world. I don't know. I like our world. Our world is like, is, is, is, has possibility to it and, you know, endless, endless ways that the future could go. So I like this part of the year. And then the nominations happen and you're a little bit more limited. But, you know, that's fun too.

That's fun too. You know, there's still possibility that there are things that could make us excited for a whole other month. We got to figure out how to change the Oscar infrastructure to not have such a long time between nominations and... well economically it used to make more sense than it does now economically it was you would get your nominations and then you would use that time to sell tickets to see your movies and if that is no longer the case and if if by the time these nominations come out all of these movies are on streaming platforms and vod i guess there's also you know the chance to to hype that but it's it's it's a much different mechanism even does the like best picture showcase anymore. That's a bummer. Well, I mean, I think Netflix kind of somewhat killed that, but we also are living in a possible world where there are no Netflix best picture nominees.

I think that's not going to happen, but it is possible. It would be wild that that would happen this year and not last year, because last year was the year where it really looked like it was shaping up for no Netflix movies, and then all quiet on the Western front sort of barged down the door. And then this year, it looked like a... a much stronger lineup. I don't think, I think ultimately Maestro's getting in there no matter what. Again, you're listening to this in the future. Um, but like, is focus going to put the holdovers back in theaters when they've, you know, had it on peacock and rentable for way

way too, way too early, you know? Yeah. Yeah. We can't, we can't get dragged down by this. We have to, we have to, uh, we can't. We have better things to talk about Joe. We're here talking about today. Today. A masterpiece. I agree. You have said recently that you wish we would agree more these days and we're agreeing on this one. We are trying to agree with each other a lot more.

I don't think we're trying to agree with each other a lot more. I think we have just, wow, look at me disagreeing on the topic of whether we are agreeing too much. Amazing. No, maybe I'm trying to be less combative. I'm trying to be more amenable. Resolution? Was that a resolution?

No, I have to do. I don't make resolutions. I feel like that's passe. Maybe we should bring that back. Bring back resolutions. But like weird specific resolutions. Like I'm going to eat more asparagus in 2024. You know what I mean?

Like something like that. You can work that into a meal very easily. I'm a little rice. Okay. Asparagus intimidates me in terms of cooking because it has different text. within the same spear, right? And you're looking at me with a... Well, you're not wrong there,

but broccoli, I feel like you can just sort of like roast and you're good. I guess you can just do that with asparagus as well, just like put some salt and oil on it and put it in a pan. Yeah, that's what you do with asparagus. Okay, maybe that's what I'll do. Anyway. I like your resolution.

Again, we're here talking about a masterpiece. I love this movie so much. much. I've only ever seen it twice now. I saw it one time when it was in theaters. Did I see it at New York Film Festival? I might have seen it at New York Film Festival. Um, was blown away by it. And then it became one of those movies where it's like, I can't just have this on passively, both because there is also, there's subtitled foreign language dialogue, but also it's a movie. The subtitles come and go to. It really demands your active participation. And so it's like, I can't just watch this while I'm doing something else, which has kept me from watching it again.

So I was glad to have this opportunity to just sort of sit with it and be with it, even though I did watch it on the Roku channel, so there were commercial interruptions. But what does the AI, when does the AI decide? It's actually not bad. It takes, it takes commercial breaks when there are lulls. So, like, I was appreciative of that. But it is a movie that requires your active participation. in a way that sometimes people think of as like, oh, well, that's homework. I don't have any movies to do homework. And it's, and it's not quite that. It just, it's in a dance with you. And you will get so much out of this movie if you dance along with this movie, with, with, uh, Kiarostomi and, and Julia Pinoche and William Schimmel. And it is, um, one of my fame. One of my favorite. One of my favorite. One of my

from the last, you know, 15 years. And I will say, though, and this is maybe where I want to kick things off with you, is it's still the only Abbas Kyrostami movie I've ever seen. Okay. How, what ones of his have you seen? I mean, not a ton, but I've seen a good handful. I've, the big one, obviously, being Taste of Cherry, which is his palm win. Um, I've seen, uh, I think the wind will carry us. I've seen like someone in love. So I'm not, I, under no circumstances claim to be a Kiarostami acolyte, but I've seen several of his movies and have never disliked one, have been, even maybe the weakest among them that I have seen, have been blown, absolutely blown away by some element in them. Right. Right. Or some moment in them. We'll talk a little bit more.

we get into the other side of the plot description about Iranian New Wave Cinema and his role in that and what his movies are sort of known for, and you can maybe speak to that via the ones that you've seen. But this remains at the moment, the only Karasami movie I've ever seen, I would like to see some of the others, but it's, you know, they're on the list. It's all on the list. So, um, this movie was on, Speaking of the list, on our sort of like long list for movie to do in the future, and we kind of got goosed into it by our patron, because this is our sixth film in our Patreon Selects series. And very, very happy. I was very happy to see that this was one of the ones.

A nice surprise. Our sponsor to your patrons have been sending us to Europe. We've done some international cinema. We have. We've done pretty much all actress-focused cinema. except for our heat episode. And then we have one more next week, and then we have one of our sponsors

who's never claimed a movie for us to do yet. So that'll pop up as a random surprise at some point, I'm sure. So you'll have us back next week, back in America, doing decided not masterpieces, but still talking about actresses. We'll see if listeners can guess what we're doing. I think they'll be very happy that we're doing it. Um, but this movie, what a nice surprise to have Peter picked this for us.

Peter, thank you Peter. One of our multiple sponsor tier Peters. Yeah. Uh, I love this fucking movie. And you're very right to say you cannot passively watch this. Mm-hmm. Even if you've seen it before because for a movie that's such an idea movie. Yes.

It really kind of wraps you up in how, like, the form of the thing is also an exploration of the ideas that it's doing. In, like, the way that it structures itself, it kind of forces you as an audience member mentally into the idea, which is maybe a really rote way of putting it. But I find this movie so thrilling. There's also many different ways to take in this movie, which I also really like. You can sort of like choose the level to which you are going to engage with its central, for lack of a better term, mystery, and whether you want to engage with it as a mystery or not, I think both of those are perfectly fine. I know some people get frustrated when people get overly analytical about trying to figure out a movie that maybe isn't meant to be figured out. But I also think that's fun. I think it's fun to investigate this movie through the little cracks and crevices in the facade of what's happening and trying to figure out what is the facade and what is, you know, for lack of a better term, real, which, you know, plays into the themes of the movie about authenticity and not authenticity, which is really good.

So I think the movie intends for the viewer to play these little games with it because you're in games. with, you know, however you decide to do it, you're engaging with the movie's intentions, which I like. And your own perceptions, not just of what is real, what is not real, what is a performance, and what is real, but also, like, what we perceive these roles that they're playing to be. And what is the value of real versus performed or real versus facsimile? Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is going to be for an episode for if a listener has not seen this movie, I would suggest you watch the movie first because it's going to sound like we're talking around subjects and ideas in talking about the movie. Like to engage with the movie, you can't really engage with it on a plot.

level or a character level because like it's all ideas and like yeah it kind of I mean I think one of the most thrilling things you're talking about because you're talking about the like scare quotes figuring it out this movie the puzzle of it and I think one of the more thrilling things of it is like there's no end point right to figuring this movie out it's not like you never hear the key locking in place and then it's all laid out for you I think like to figure this movie out is to be in, like, constant conversation with it. Yeah, which I love. I'm going to read the message we got from Peter,

and then you can maybe talk more broadly about our Patreon in general. All of these patron selects episodes, we're getting the Oscar origins of our sponsors. Joe, take it away. What does Peter have to say? All right. I'm quoting Peter. They say, quote.

I think the first time I became aware of the Oscars was the Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon Year. I recall you've both spoken on it, but it's hard to understate how huge a cultural phenomenon Crouching Tiger was. Even now, the thought of any non-English movie making more than $100 million would be an achievement, but how anything Asian in any context for years, years, could be reduced as a joke to a reference to Crouching Tiger spoke to its ubiquity. I was very lucky that my parents and my mom especially would take me to any movie I wanted, including any R-rated movie I wanted to see from a young age. I was 11 when it came out, and it seems crazy in hindsight that I would become aware of this Chinese martial arts movie at that age, sorry, of this Chinese martial arts movie at that age. But it was the monoculture, and I saw it in theaters twice between my mom and dad. When it became this Oscar force, I became invested in this concept of rewarding achievement in film.

films, and ever since have loved not always what it rewards, but reflects in culture. I'm half tie, so I think there was also this subconscious feeling that something Asian and so definitionally foreign became so mainstream was fascinating. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon was my gateway to the Oscars, to Asian cinema. Somehow it unlocked a pathway for In the Mood for Love to become my favorite film at age 12, work. And more broadly, I know what you are. And more broadly to non-English language films, Peter, that is an incredibly, I think, relatable to a lot of people on a lot of different levels. I was another person who I was so proud of being in tune with Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon in 2000.

And I was, uh, I wasn't quite that young, but I was like, yeah, man, foreign cinema. I am opening myself up to cultures. And, and it was, um, it was rad. It was a, that Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon becoming so mainstream was a moment, was a real moment. Yes, 100%. And I'm so glad that Peter brought it up because like, as much as you and I, because we were, we were formed in those early odds as much as I think a lot of our listeners were as well.

like Peter was too, that that was something adjacent to awards that totally was happening. And we maybe haven't talked about it enough or haven't had the opportunity to, with a movie that we've chosen. But like, the martial arts cinema or Asian cinema, having its moment around the time of Crouching Tiger. Yeah. Truly was a thing because I think before that, like I'd had some consciousness of like martial arts. cinema through Bruce Lee you know but even that was somewhat niche right and you saw it probably on television I would guess sure like a late night TNT um right but you know it really did have a moment and then it would be you know westernized by people like Quentin Tarantino and

action movies that would follow this moment of like Zhang Yi Mu films coming over in addition to Crouching Tiger. The Crouching Tiger's success in the West is so perpetually interesting to me because it was not seen as a success domestically. You know, because of things like, and we would not perceive this here in white America, at least, that like the accents are all wrong. And so for a domestic audience, they did not, they kind of laughed at the movie.

I remember that's one of only stories about it. Yeah. But yeah, I love this. This is maybe one of my favorites that we've gotten from the Oscar origins of our patrons. Yeah. This is really great. Peter sent this to us because he is one of our sponsor tier patrons on this had Oscar Buzz turbulent brilliance. Chris, why don't you tell the listeners all the fun we're having over at the Patreon?

Listen, our sponsor tier is all booked up, but if you still want to join us over there for $5 a month at just the regular Gary level, you are going to get a few things in addition to fun times had by all. For Switch, you're going to get two bonus episodes every month. On the first of the month, you're going to get what we call exceptions. These are movies that fit that this had Oscar Buzz rubric, but they managed to get a nomination or, or two. We've talked about movies like Charlie Wilson's War. The Mirror has two faces. Rob Marshall's nine. We're about to have another listener's choice, but our first listener's choice exception was the lovely bones. Most recently, we talked about Paul Giamatti in Barney's version. And then on the 15th of every month, you're going to get the second bonus episode, which we call an

excursion, which is, you know, kind of a deep dive into various Oscar ephemera that we are obsessed with, such as Hollywood Reporter roundtables. We've recapped MTV Movie Awards. This month coming in just over a week or so, we're going to be doing what we're calling that this had Oscar buzz superlatives. We're basically going to be giving you a little mini award show of Just Joe and I, where we are. giving you our picks for random strange categories or weirdly named categories

throughout the Oscar season. We're talking about, you know, I don't think we're doing best movie for grown-ups. I think we're doing a category like that. Best grown-up love story is the one I think we're taking from the M4G's. Yes. Best Kiss, et cetera.

Fun weird little categories we're going to have a good time with. But if you want to join us for $5 a month, you can sign up for This Had Oscar Buzz Turbulent Brilliance over at patreon.com slash this had Oscar buzz. Wonderful. Chris, I don't think there's any reason for us to delay any longer talking about the film of the hour certified copy. So we're going to get right into it. You're up for those 60-second plot description this time, so. Maybe this will be 30 seconds. Maybe. I mean, you could go as deep into this.

reality of it as you want to, but we'll see how it goes. We're talking about certified copy, the 2011 United States release, although it was a 2010 premiere at Cannes. We'll get into it. Written and directed by Abbas Kiarostami, the late Iranian film legend, starring Juliet Pinoche, William Shimmel, who we'll talk about was an opera star rather than a movie star. First ever acting performance. First ever acting performance. Throne opposite Juliet Benosh doing like powerlifting. Yep. We'll get into it.

We'll get into it. Also, Jean-Claude Carrier, Agatha Nathanson, and Gianna Giacetti in one of my favorite single-scene performances in the 21st century. I love her so much in this movie. Premiered May 18th, 2010 at the Cannes Film Festival, then the following, October at the New York Film Festival before opening in limited release in the United States on March 11th, 2011.

Chris, I'm going to pull out my stopwatch. And you have already said that you can do this in 30 seconds, so I can set it for 30, if you'd rather. Just set it for 60. Okay. It's also one of those

things that I could spend 30 seconds just laying the ground before anything happens in the movie. All right. I am ready to start. Your 62nd plot description begins now. All right. So James Miller is a British author. He's written this semi-controversial book about art and reproductions of art and

trying to justify that reproductions are like they, you know, they're just as valid as original artworks, etc. Meanwhile, an unnamed French woman played by Juliet Benoche, so we'll call her Juliet Benoche. She is like an antiquities dealer type of person. She takes him on a tour. They go to a museum where she shows him a fake. He doesn't really want to see it. So then they go get coffee and this woman mistakes them for a married couple and Julia Benosha just kind of goes with it.

And then from there on, they seem to be pretending to be a married couple or maybe they've been a married couple this whole time. We actually don't kind of know. And then they go and kind of get dinner and Juliet Benoche puts earrings on and kinds of flirt with him. And then they talk about how they've had this disovalued. appointing 15 year anniversary and there's a wedding going on in the background. They go back to his hotel room and they talk more about their disappointing marriage and presumably he goes back to

London. Two seconds over. It was 20 seconds into it before you mentioned the words Juliet Minoshe, so I was like, okay. All right. All right. I'm glad we didn't only give you 30. No, it's as succinct as you can put that movie, while also you could talk for so much longer about the layers of, are they playing with each other? Are they performing with each other? Are they acting as if they are in a marriage that is coming to an end, or are they in a marriage that is approaching its end? and sort of this is the last gasp of, you know, rediscovering. Are they just like a transference? Are they a collection?

Like, is this dialogue that we see over an hour and 45 minutes or so, like, a steadily widening snowball that as like, oh, we think you're, I'm someone who thinks you're married. So then that's going to add details to this relationship. and then they meet this other married couple that's like, well, you have marital strife and then they suddenly have marital strife, you know. As much as Richard Linkletters before trilogy can be seen altogether

as a sort of holistic hole, I would love to watch before sunrise and then certified copy back to back. This is Galaxy Brain before Sunrise. Uh-huh. Before Sunrise is, you know, reflections on relationships at certain stages where it's like this is a theme applied to that rubric and then filtered through whatever that theme is you know because I think to give if you

want to go blow by blow of what happens and how the relationship develops in this movie and what we're supposed to question as truth or reality or transference between between them, I feel like it would probably take longer to explain the beats by beats of this movie than the movie itself, because it's so breakneck paste that it's laying all this groundwork for the relationship to change right before your eyes to the point where it's like, it's changed before you realize it sometimes. That's 100% true. And that's absolutely more apparent when you watch it again. I think ultimately you come down to, you can come down to the question of, do I believe that this is a married couple who are,

who have decided to encounter each other in this city that they got married on their 15th anniversary as if for the first time, and then sort of move through and bleed back into their own existence and married couple. Or they are semi-strangers who have met in this city that only one of them lives in, sort of meeting across cultures, and because of the chance sort of misunderstanding of this woman in the coffee shop, are motivated to go into this impromptu and unspoken improv, essentially. Role play as a married couple as a way to both get to know each other, but also she, up until that point, had been pretty combative about his,

the theories of, you know, originals versus versus duplicates in art, and it becomes kind of a way for them to argue that point through the depiction of, you know, through themselves taking on the role of a facsimile of a married couple. Do you know what I mean? So it's heady stuff, yes, but it's also, it comes down to a very kind of simple one or the other. And you don't necessarily have to choose, although I understand if somebody's going to watch this movie, and by the end, they're going to want to say, I think they were this, or I think they were that.

It's a much more complex, Kiyosami gets the audience if they're engaging with the movie and not just, like, walking out because it's too heady for them or something. It gets the audience to engage with the central, like, foundational question of the movie in a way that's much more complex, much more interesting, much more applied to, like, human relationships and human life because this idea of, well, because, like, she takes him to see this artwork that people believed was the real thing for, like, decades or something or centuries, and then it's proven to not be the real thing. But they still go to see it. The real question is, well, yes, people are still going to see this fake thing. But also, what is real? Because it was treated like it was real or it was treated like it was original. And it just kind of continues to galaxy brain itself every line of line of dialogue, basically.

Well, and then also you get into questions of her frustration, her levels of frustration, and the woman that Benoche plays never gets a name. She's called, credited as she in the end credits. I think it's good and fine as you did in the plot description. Even her sister has a name and she does not. That's right. Her name is Marie, right, with an I.E., as she says. Yes.

And so, but this woman is a really fascinating person, because even before they be, we get to the part where they acknowledge each other as husband and wife, she's very prickly with him on that car ride. Yeah, they're bickering before. And I know that Kiarostami, from what I am given to understand, he's sort of known for scenes that take place in car rides. Long car rides, yeah. Taste of Cherry is like a half, just long car ride. And so this car ride through this, the streets in whatever, I looked up the filming locations in Tuscany. The one town is called Arezzo, or the one region is called Arezzo, sort of driving their

little car through these streets and out the back window, they have this big sort of like back window to the car. So you can see everything that they're passing. And they're going slowly enough where, like, you can see people at like fruit stands or kids kicking a soccer ball or sort of this like whole like life is going on around them. And at the same time, their front windshield, you're getting reflections of these buildings, these sort of like this Italian architecture all around. And it, I imagine if I were to sit down and really dig into it, you know what I mean? there would be all sorts of things about just sort of this this this bubble that they are in outside of whatever sort of greater you know tableau of life that is sort of happening all around them but even as they're in that car ride even before that when she has the the when it's her and her son and she's talking about how like well i didn't really like the book but i want to get it signed because sometimes you give somebody somebody that you don't like very much a copy of a book that you don't very like very much a copy of a book that you don't like very like for much. But she has the sort of date with this guy, and the son is teasing her and saying,

like, you like him. And then, so when you think about that in retrospect of if that's really their son, is he talking about his estranged parents and sort of, you know, poking fun at them and, like, you don't really know. Or is it the key that makes it all fall apart if you're trying to read into it being real? Yep. Yep. Yep. I thought of that too. But anyway, on this car ride, she gets, watching her in these scenes is so incredible because, like, she gets so quickly annoyed by him or there's some sort of like level of anger underneath this, which does then support the idea that they are married. You know what I mean? Because why would you get this sort of angry at a stranger just because you didn't care for his book, just because you find his. ideas about art, you know, objectionable just because you find him maybe condescending. And, but she, it does feel like she is both, um, attracted to him and, and, um, interested in him. But at the same time, quick to be angered by him, which it's fascinating.

Her performance in this movie. How much of that, too, is a projection of a husband. or an ex-husband that she might have, too. And, like, that as an idea of how much of... Projecting her ex-husband is a big possibility as to what's going on. Because if you relate it back to the, like, foundational question and theme of this movie, it's like, how much of our perception or our value of reproductive art or, I guess, you know, I mean, Kiarostami is also, you know, how...

has his filmic influences, too. So, like, if you think about it on a filmmaking level, how much of our relationship with art or how we perceive an art is a projection of our own experiences, our own mindset. Yes. You know, how much of, like, how much of, like, our relationship to what we are seeing, who we are experiencing is all. in our minds that we are thrusting upon it. And I brought up before sunrise earlier, and I think one of the things this movie has in common with before sunrise is

that all of this would feel like pseudo-philosophical jerk-off material, right? If not for, I don't mean jerk off and that you would jerk off to it. I mean, like, you know, like, you know, intellectual, you know, Pretentiousness? Pretentiousness. Thank you. If not for the fact that the scenes themselves are so well-performed, well-filmed, compelling in and of themselves.

Watching the two of them interact with each other, there's such great rapport. I think there's always something happening in the backgrounds of these, this wedding that sort of is happening throughout this day that they keep encountering and re-encountering is really fascinating. The woman, as I said, Gianna Giacetti, the woman in the coffee shop, my heart and soul. That conversation she has with Benoche. I want to take up residence in that coffee shop just to listen to that woman all day. She has just a tremendous conversation with Benoche about how, you know, Benoche is talking about how like, you know, after 15 years, you know, you would think that he would have more consideration, and he's always going off, and he's obsessed with

his job. And Janet Joketty is this very sort of, like, pragmatic sort of like, listen, if we wanted to wait, you know, if we wanted to ruin our lives, we would wait for something that's perfect, you know, essentially. And you sort of like, you, she's both sort of chiding Benocious's character to be like, you know, you'd be a lot happier if you let some of this go, while also at the same time being like men, you know, if they didn't have their jobs, they'd cease to exist, you know, that kind of a thing. And so she's, she's not unsympathetic, but she's also like, girl, you know, at some point, you know, you got to have to let some of this go. And then you get scenes like the one with Jean-Claude Carrier, which I swear to God,

Oscar winner. He's an Oscar winner. He's a screenwriter. Oscar winner at that, too. Honorary Oscar winner, but it was also a screenwriter for Luis Bunwell, and he wrote The Unbearable Lightness of Being, I want to say. Yes. And I swear to God, I did not know that until I was listening to this morning, listening to the screen drafts episode on Juliet Benoche that they did for Christmas this year. And that was one of Clay, our friend and former guest Clay Keller's trivia questions, was about Jean-Claude Carrier. And I was like, Wow, that is incredible timing and also, like, writing that down, jotting that down, because I had no idea. I wouldn't have known him even by name.

You definitely recognized him by name, but he plays the older gentleman who they run into this older couple who, I love the way that's filmed, where it seems for a second that the husband is berating his wife. And then the camera moves slightly to the side and you see that he's on the phone being angry at somebody about. something, but he's on the phone. He's not yelling at his wife. And then he hangs up the phone and they're all in this piazza or sort of just like this town square. There's a statue. There's a big work of art, big statue in the middle. And they are tourists and they are admiring the statue. And Benosh is also admiring the statue. She and William Schimmel are in an argument because She loves the statue, and he finds it, you know, cheap or sentimental. I think it's sentimental.

I think that's the thing that he doesn't like about it. But anyway, and Benoche is trying to get the woman, Agatha Nathan's character, to be like, no, you were saying this thing about it. Say what you said again. And she's like, I was mostly agreeing with you. It was the thing that you said. But then Jean-Claude Carrier pulls William Schimel aside at some point and is like, I can see you and your wife or maybe having a little bit of a tiff.

And my advice to you is just, you know, make some gestures every once in a while to her that show her that you care about her. It will go a long way. And it's this very sort of like he says, he at one point says, I could be old enough to be your father. So let me give you some fatherly advice. And you're so at this point, your brain. is churning at this point being like what's the nature of their relationship and i literally am like is this his actual father is he her father like how how deep does this conspiracy go like what's is are they all involved in this whole dialogue moment does like your brain is just wired to because

this conversation is happening to make you invest more in that in the possibility that it is true and that it's happening. And that's partly the genius of this movie, that it's just like this movie understands how human brains work, at least for audiences. And it does so much to make you believe in the possibility that it's real.

Yes, yes. But that scene is just so compelling. I think on a scene by scene basis between what's happening in the foreground, Ben Ocean Schimel, what's happening in the background, whether it's a wedding or whatever else. I also, at the very first shot in this, is the empty table where he's about to sit down and give his little book talk. And to me, it was like half between Wes Anderson and Michael Hanukkah, where it's like, it's that dead on Wes Anderson angle and the row of books.

And I'm like, Ethylene Tenenbaum is about to sit down here and say something. But it's also Michael Hanukkah, I was specifically thinking. of Keshay, where all of a sudden it's this thing where you are looking at an empty space and waiting for the thing that will fill it up, right? And you're sort of, you're giving yourself tension. U.S. audience member are both observer and perpetrator. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

Speaking of Juliette Binoche masterpieces. Yeah. Okay. First of all, thank you for bringing up the screen drafts of Julia Pinoche in which this movie is, in my opinion. Don't spoil it for me. haven't gotten there yet, so I haven't finished it. Okay, never mind. I won't say anything.

Well, no, that's silly. Say it because our listeners... This movie is just ranked too low. I mean, like, get me on a soapbox about where things should be ranked in a screen draft episode. If I had been on this episode, which Clay and Ryan, if you're listening, I would have been on that episode. That's their thing. They do their Christmas episode. They do their Christmas episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know, I know, I know. But, like, get me to talk about Julia Pinoch any time of day. I'll be texting you about it as I listen to the rest of it throughout this day, Chris, so we can talk about it. Feel free to text me about the Let the Sunshine in portion because I was going to say I know they're fixing to not draft that as high as you would want it.

Catch me on the right day, and that's my favorite Juliet Benosh. You're still pushing that on me. I still have to find a time to see it, and I will. Listen, I know your philosophies on when people tell you that they think you're going to like something, your brain is hardwired to be like, well, show me or prove it to me. And I'm not going to say that about that movie anymore. I'm not always like that. I am not. I sometimes think, like, I build things up. But as I said to you about people talking about Sundance movies, I like that people evangelize the movies that they like.

So, um, you also do not wish to be perceived. So you do not like the idea of someone perceiving something as being. I'll tell you the thing that annoys me more is somebody being like, oh, you don't have to, you don't have to see that. Like, you can skip that. And it's like, maybe I want to. I definitely don't know to you. I sometimes like to just, even if I'm not going to like it, I want to see it for myself. Do you know what I mean? Like so. Um, but I like, no, if somebody's like, I think you'll really love this movie. I. I, absolutely take that in. I then put a little bit of pressure on myself to be like, I need to give this movie it's proper, you know what I mean? Again, I'm so, I watch so many bad movies because I'm like, well, I can watch this movie while I'm doing third things. It's probably a fucked way of doing it. But like, that's why, like, that's not the way to watch Let the Sunshine in. No, but it is the way to watch Fast X, which I watched before I watched a lot of 2023 movies that I would rather see so um but anyway um this is how i watched on a clear day you can see forever um in my barber rewatch what have you ever seen that movie no little did she know what the fuck was going on in

that movie because that that that musical is just fundamentally flawed but then also like it that that that that movie is who else is in it anybody i would know uh what what's the actor you've something uh jack nicholson has a cameo basically okay most of his role was cut because they cut like an hour out of that movie they should have cut more anyway anyway uh listeners if you are sick of hearing me talking about barbara get over it i'm doing a whole rewatch it will pepper its way in somehow to get back into certified copy chris i want to talk to you about two other characters who I didn't write down among the stars of the movie, who I think are major contributors to this movie.

And that would be Julia Pinoche's bra straps in this film. I was like, okay, the sun and Marie? No, the way in which her bra straps both appear and then are not around. is there's a whole saga with them, whether she's wearing a jacket or whether she slips into a church to take off her bra and, but like it's, it's, the costuming on her is incredible in this movie and also the makeup. Well, let's get into it. The fact that she does not have a character name does not suggest, does not tell you as an. an audience member, that this is a character who is not given complete specificity. This is a woman who walks around with multiple pairs of chandelier earrings on her.

To change into as she sees fit, yeah. Yes, which, like, that's another thing of, like, is this a performance? Like, she goes into the bathroom and we watch her try on multiple earrings, like, she's trying on a new person. Yep. It's so fascinating. Also, the earrings that she chooses, all I'm going to say, girl, is there's a reason that they put the red earrings on the poster, not the ones you chose. All I could think of was the old man in the airport at Home Alone, where he says, she's got her own earrings, a whole shoebox full of dangley ones.

Dangly ones. If you don't sound drop, that'll kill you. Let's talk about Juliet, Bena. Oh, my God. This is my favorite performance of hers that I've ever seen. And I know that I have not seen all of them. Good call. But this is my favorite.

I mean, I would probably say three colors blue is her best performance. I haven't seen that. I'll open myself to being wrong about that. But, I mean, maybe my favorite performance, it's probably this or let the sunshine in. It's hard to call because she's always so great. I mean, like, and she's the. The magic trick of this movie, she is the perfect actor to pull it off because what, this whole, what am I watching? Is this real, the subtle transformation that's happening, but not being indicated as it's happening to us?

She's such a natural screen performer that, like, I don't know. even people who like side-eyed the Chocala nomination, it's like, yeah, but she's also really good in the movie because she's never, well, I'm sure she's been, well, no, she's been bad. I've seen Ghost in the Shell. She's been bad before. But what am I saying? What am I saying? She. I've never seen Ghost in the Shell, so I can't speak to that. I'm not going to say you can skip it because of the conversation we've just had, but. But maybe don't prioritize it for many reasons. Yeah. Understood. Yeah, I think the type of performance style she has that is so naturalistic, that's so, like, in actory terms from the toes up, that is her ability to conjure reality, an emotional reality, makes this move.

I mean, like, I don't want to discredit what Kiarostami is pulling off or what her co-star is pulling off, but, like, in a lot of ways, it makes the whole conceit of this movie work. Can I also say, and this is maybe on my mind because I was listening to the screen drafts

and they mentioned the fact that she's played actresses a lot. It would have been so easy to make her character in this movie an actress by profession and sort of turn it into you know, this woman is always is performing or something like that. Well, and that would almost be like too much.

Agreed. I love that she's not. You would question it in the, you would question this reality in the wrong direction, you know? Absolutely agree. I absolutely agree. The fact that it just seems to be coming from a place not of, well, this is her, or she's not like, she's not an actress.

She's not a con artist. She's not like, this isn't like, what's up doc or something like that. This isn't like, you know, I think there's a comedic version of this that. We've seen with, like, house sitter or, you know, what's up doc and stuff like that. Or it's just like, there's, you know, she's somebody who puts on these performances by trade or by living. And this is coming, this performance,

this sort of improvisation roleplay is coming from seemingly a place of pain or regret or anger even in her. I think it's probably more pain and regret. for a marriage that ended or something or a marriage that is continuing, that she is sad, is dying, you know, that is far more fascinating. Because then all of a sudden, it's not just this superficial thing. It is coming from her soul. You know what I mean? And the moment in the coffee shop where he's telling the story of, I had this room on the second floor of this hotel or apartment or office or whatever it was, where I could look out onto the square and I could see this woman walking ahead of her son, you know, telling that story. And then later she saw them at the fountain and the kid ran up to her. and he's telling this story, and now you're wondering, is he, oh, and he's telling this story before the woman in the coffee shop mistakes them for married.

So if you take the story as that's the moment that they start pretending they're married, this happens before that. So this causes you to call that into question, because he seems to be talking about her while saying he's talking about some woman that he saw. and you cut to her and she's crying. She's not, like, sobbing, but she has, like, there's a tear coming down her eye. And, um, and he kind of reacts into that, like, oh, I'm sorry. And you wonder, is he sorry because he's telling this story and he's sort of like gone outside? of the parameters of this, you know, improvisation that they're doing?

Or is he sorry because he brought up a memory of her that he didn't think was going to make her sad? But anyway, her face in that moment is so astoundingly beautiful, but also full of these real conflicting emotions. Watching her face in this movie is a real, adventure. As I go, going back to that car ride, the quintessential Benoche performance, watching her face is an adventure. In that car ride where she like, you can try and tell what is it that he's saying is making her angry. What is it that he's saying is making her feel like flirty? You know what I mean? It's just like she goes into these different little micro expressions and it's fascinating. Oh my God. Absolutely incredible. And I guess if we can maybe dip a toe in. into the sort of awards conversation.

She won Best Actress at Can. I understand why she wasn't in the Oscar conversation for, like, a lot of reasons. For one thing, it was not released until the following spring. Who released it in the States? IFC slash Sundance Selects, which, if it had been a few years later, you know, when Cotillard is getting nominated for two days one night and Charlotte Rampling is getting nominated for 45 years all from the same distribution model.

Yeah. You know, there might have been a little bit more conversation. So this was a lot of like critical conversation getting towards her. I don't think we would really talk about the international feature race because then we would be talking, well, I guess separate years. This is also one of the times that this movie was probably a victim to this period of flux, I would say, for lack of a better word, in the international feature category where, you know, movies that are international co-productions and they don't really know where they fall. Obviously, Kiarostami is an Iranian filmmaker. This movie shot in Tuscany and the, you know, different Euro production companies.

And because it doesn't release in the States until 2011, I guess it could have been Iran's submission in 2010. Or France's. Or France's submission in 2010. But like the fact that Iran in 2011 gets its second Oscar nomination ever and then wins that year also kind of, you know, it takes a little bit of the sting out of the fact that they wouldn't, you know. and Karastami, I think, had only ever, I think I wrote this in the notes, was only ever Iran's official submission for the Oscars one time. And that was, definitely not taste of cherry. No, it was, sorry, hold on.

Da-da-da-da-da-da-da. I definitely, um, I think it's through the olive trees, but hold on, I wrote this down. Only, no, no, yes. Only submitted is Iran's entry. once in 1994 through the olive trees, and it wasn't nominated. Iran has only been nominated three times ever for foreign language film. The first time was 1998, Majid Majid's Children of Heaven, apologies if I pronounced that name wrong, which lost to Life is Beautiful, of all things.

And then Oscar Farhadi's two films, A Separation in 2011, and The Salesman in 2016, both of which won. So Kyristami is a major figure of what's known as the Iranian New Wave, which began as far back as the late 70s and sort of, or the late 60s, we'd move through at least 70s, 80s, had like several waves to it, had several sort of, you know, movements to it, but is a major figure of that movement. And you would imagine, and I'm not going to begin to presume to be an expert in the Iranian New Wave, which is a sort of major movement in world cinema. But one imagines that the politics of Iran through that period of history were a lot to be navigated during that time. We're also talking about... Look at the history of Jafar Panahi. I was going to say, who Panahi, I believe, came up. through working on

Kiarostami's films. It was, by the way... Hanadi, I believe, just recently got his complete freedom. I think that's right. Oscar Farhadi was another filmmaker who was friends with Kiarostami, I believe.

But so this was a movement that began in the late 60s, moved through the 70s. Osama's major films were in the 80s and 90s, and then, of course, obviously kept, you know, working up through to his death in 2016. But he's a major figure of that, and only to be presented as Iran's official submission to the Oscars one time. We know from, you know, what we know of Panahi, that like politics have become, that politics were a major issue. It's hard to imagine the Academy embracing, at least the films of his, that I, like, Taste of Cherry, when it won the palm, it was considered a very controversial winner.

I tied the palm. Say more about that. Say more about that. Why controversial? It's now, you know, considered for the masterpiece that it is. And I know at the time, I believe it was Roger Ebert had been a champion for it, or Roger Ebert. had reassessed his original view of it or reassessed his can reception to it. Like, it was a movie that was really booed at, like, one of the classic can booze.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, like, it is kind of the quintessential, uh, a quintessential Kyrostami film in a way because it's the very, it's got his trope of like, the long car ride and, you know, methodical, uh, contemplative walks through the countryside and such, but it is essentially a character who wants to commit suicide. Yes. Basically recruiting someone to assist him. And at the time, clearly Cannes didn't get it.

They didn't have the patience for it. They didn't understand the emotional undercurrent that, you know, kind of carries the movie or, you know, the political context in which it exists. and now the movie is seen it's it's considered it's like kind of shocking when people hear it's shocking to people who've seen the movie that they hear that this very very sensitive emotionally astute movie was like vociferously booed at can and it's uh palm win i have to look up who was that jury president because i think somebody it might be still just rumor. I love nothing more than can rumors. But that would have been 1997. Let me look that up. Isabella Johnny was the... Yes, jury president. Jury president. I believe... Miras Sorvino, Tim Burton, Mike Lee, Nani Moretti, Gongley. That's an interesting jury right there. And we should also say it tied the palm for the eel, which was also not a well-received movie it can.

But I can't credit the jury member because I can't remember who it is. But it might be this movie. I could be misremembering it for another movie that the jury, someone on the jury was like, history will not regard us well if we do not give this prize to this movie. Wow. And I forget who it was. Tim Burton was also on that jury.

And Tim Burton is on the jury at Cannes that gives Juliet Benoche. The jury president, in fact. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, and that palm winner was Uncle Boon Me, who can recall his past lives in... And I... It's not my pick for the palm from that lineup, and I wouldn't take a palm away from Apechipa Thong, uh, Wehrasothal for the world. Though maybe if he doesn't have this palm, he might have won the palm for Memoria, and he would have deserved that as well. Yeah.

Um, I've only seen about a quarter of this lineup. You watch certified copy and like, yes, it's perfect to give it to Juliette Binoche, but it's like, This maybe also should have been a palm winner. Like, you look, so let's talk about that pond, that can line up because I was looking through this and it does seem like it has fewer movies that, um, uh, stick out to me. And even maybe fewer filmmakers with whom I'm familiar, which is why it's always so funny to see Doug Lyman's fair game was in competition at can. And did not get received well. It didn't. It's not a bad movie, but it's not a really great movie.

I think it's a fairly sort of middling movie. Canne usually programs like a straightforward thriller late in the festival, and I believe that that was late in the festival, too, and like this is not among the best of them. Like it usually has a slot like that for Mystic River, L, what was another recent one? I forget, but like that seems to be a staple of Cannes. Movies from this can that our listeners may have heard of or be familiar with, Mike Lee's. another year, which we've talked about. We talked about it on our 100 years, 100 snubs miniseries.

Alejandro Iniaritou's Beautiful, which was an Oscar nomination for Javier Bardem and Best Actor. Baird M wins best actor at this can. Of Gods and Men, which was this was Francis submission. That was Francis submission. And one director, it won a major prize,

I feel like. I think it won the Grand Prix. I think that's probably right Hold on, let me pull up this tab Sure Grand Prix Sergei Las Nizza's My Joy was a movie that I feel like I remember

Matthew Amalric won director I think for On Tour Which was Tournay Which is not a movie That I have seen Le Chang Dong's poetry Maybe my alternate

For The Palm That's my favorite Lee Chang Dong movie I've never seen poetry, but of course, Lee Changdong directed Burning, which was a tremendous, tremendous movie. Went unawarded at that can. One would imagine that if Benoche had not won actress, that Yun Jong-hee would have been a pretty major contender. I feel like the reviews for her performance are really good. Ken Loach had a movie called Rout Irish that year.

Um, but not a ton of other movies. If you go into, in certain regard, uh, Blue Valentine was in that, uh, lineup, um, kind of stands out from that group there. Um, so, yeah, I remember Uncle, Uncle Boone Me, who can recall his past lives, which is not a movie that I've seen, even though it is, uh, a brisk 114 minutes. from uh from uh where's ethical which uh is is not the case in some of his later movies um it did lead to my very favorite trivia team name uh ever that we ever did which was uncle Baku can recall his past lives which um i will hold in my heart forever okay so the the rumor is or i guess it's not rumor because tilda has said this in an interview

she shot another movie with him in Sri Lanka, and it's apparently going to be like three hours long. If it's coming this year, it's my most anticipated movie of this year. Well, certainly. Period. On top of the Mike Lee, on top of the Mikely, whatever the Mike Lee is going to be. Of course. Listen, we know Mike Lee is going to bring in.

He always does. Anyway, so obviously the buzz garnered by Benoche winning, best actress at Cannes. It was her first Cannes win, too. And, like, she was, she was kind of heavily predicted to win this best actress prize. You know, she, there was conversation around her having never won. Can always puts, you know, a famous actress on their poster usually through, like, one who is either not with us or not working, and she was the, she was the actress on the poster.

Yeah. And some people look to scantz at, you know. her being on the poster while also having a movie in competition. Right. And then she won. But yeah. But you can't, you can't fuck with the actual performance, though, is the thing. No, you cannot.

That's the, that's the real, that's the bitch of it, I guess. So, Julia Pinoche, as an actress, so having listened to the beginning of that screen drafts, I'm sort of at the risk of sort of repeating. what they said there, in terms of her history as an actress throughout the 1980s. She works with some pretty, like, major filmmakers, Jean-Luc Goddard and Lios Carracks. And then she's in a Philip Kaufman film in 1988 called The Unbearable Lightness of Being, got two Oscar nominations for screenplay and cinematography. She stars opposite Daniel DeLewis.

It is, despite the fact that Philip Coffman, Hoffman is not a Czech filmmaker. It is a Czech film sort of part of that country's sort of, I don't know if they specifically had like a Czech new wave, but there was definitely like a movement within, you know, Czech art and film during those time periods. And then to me, the first time I became aware of her, although I didn't see this movie until. till years later, was in damage. She plays the woman who Jeremy Irons has an affair with his son's fiance. Kind of a famously miserable experience for Benosh as well. She hated working with both of them because they were awful. Louis Moll and Jeremy Irons. Yes, and she spends a good portion of that movie naked with these two unbearable men.

She does. And the Oscar nominee nomination for that film goes to Miranda Richardson, I think, highly deserved. If I haven't already clipped the you should have killed yourself a scene from that movie. I may do that again. Anyway, she and Jeremy Irons also have this very bizarre sex scene. Like, it feels like the. precursor to the showgirl's pool sex scene in terms

of its acrobatic silliness. Yeah. I think you're supposed to be, I like damage as a movie. I understand that like it may not have been a great experience to film, but as a movie, I think

it's a successful one. Yeah, it's antiquated, but Miranda Richardson fully elevates that movie. Brings it. She's in, than Christoph Kislauski's Three Colors Blue, which was the first of that trilogy.

That movie got... I'm trying to think of... I don't think it got an Oscar nomination, but it got nominated for Best one. I believe Red is the only one that did. Yeah. But it definitely got the ball rolling, because didn't she win, like, National Society?

or something for that movie. She won the Volpe Cup for Best Actress at Venice. One of only two actresses who has ever won Best Actress at the three major

European Film Festival. She also, somewhat surprisingly, I would say, given their tendency, was a nominee at the... Sorry, one second. I want to get this right. yeah, she's nominated for the Golden Globe that year, which is somewhat surprising in that you would think that the Golden Globes would have been, would be historically more friendly to foreign language performances because they are the Golden Globes, but ironically, they never have been.

So she is one of four actresses to lose out to Holly Hunter's performance in the piano. So that's a big one for her. And then, The next big movie for her after that is the English patient, where she plays Hanna, the war nurse, who nurses burnt up Ray Fines back to health. And she's a supporting performance in as much as her portion of the movie is less than the whole of that movie. But while she's in that movie, she gets her own little sort of subplot with, oh, who the hell is it? Navine Andrews. Right? So she gets like, she's in her own little movie in that. She's basically the lead.

She's the protagonist of 45% of the movie. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think if you had wanted to put her in lead, you very much could have. I think Kristen Scott Thomas, ironically, who did get the lead nomination is a supporting performance. Yes, exactly. Interesting, the politics of it, and you wonder if it just came down to, Kristen Scott Thomas is an English-speaking actress,

so she can probably campaign more successfully. Well, and given how competitive that best actress race was, and that's probably not a performance that wins, whereas Julietaunuch is, you know. Well, and it's Miramax. Julia Benoche also wins Berlin for that, I should say. That's her Berlin win. For English patient. Yes, the tradition of, I believe it would have been, you know, the type of thing that a movie opens in December and then ends up playing Berlin.

The only other actress who has, the only other actress who has achieved that is Julianne Moore. There we go. For Julianne Moore, having won for the shared win for the hours. One can for Maps to the Stars, the same year that would be her Oscar year for Still Alice. and then won Venice for Far From Heaven. Amazing. I love that stat. She obviously, very famously, beats out Lauren Bacall for the Oscar for Best Supporting Actress. It's a major upset.

She also wins the title for Chocolatiest cereal, and that was truly an upset also because the Coco Puffs, the Coco Puffs bird was right there, everybody assumed. So it's an upset. It's sort of, for people, especially like me, I was 16 years old and hadn't seen any of those European movies. And so I was like, who's this French lady coming in? And also, the irony is, I hadn't exactly, like, been raised on Lauren Bacall movies either. So it's like, I didn't really know. All I knew is that everybody said that Lauren Bacall was going to win, and then she didn't. And I was like, this lady with her high count chocula caller.

So, Fred and Barney over at the Cocoa Puff or the Coco Pebbles Mansion are pissed. That's true. Chocolateist cereal would have been a competitive category that year. You'd have Fred and Barney, the Cocoa Puffs, too can, the cookie crisp bandit. Not a lot of chocolate and cookie crisp. Well, that's why it didn't win, though, Chris. That's why every, you know. That's true.

That's true. Lucky to be nominated. Lucky to be nominated. Fortunate, in fact, yes. And I guess a special K with Cholm. You know how, like, they do as they have a special case. Oh, yeah, the little chocolate chunks. That wouldn't come until later, so.

That cereal is so gross to me where they put literal chocolate chunks in there because Just have a chocolate bar! The cereal gets soft or soft enough for chewing, and then you have to bite into this chunk of chocolate. Just have a chocolate bar, guys, it's going to be fine. You won't, it will kill you. All right. Anyway, though, so she follows that up a few years later with a nomination for Lassa Hallstrom's Shrug-a-Lach, which was another.

Miramax movie, which also, to me, who loved, at that moment, loved few actresses more than Renee Zellweger and was really into Nurse Betty. So I was like, once again, here she comes. Trudgeon down the lane with her basket full of what chocolate theme. We've got a theme here. Is her audition? To take away this nomination from Renee Zellweger, who at this point had never been nominated before. She had been passed over for Jerry Maguire. And so I was so mad at Juliette Binoche for like four straight years. And I'm trying to think of like the a period of me coming to my senses, right?

Where I never saw that John Borman movie in my country, whether it's her and Samuel L. Jackson set in South Africa. Have you ever seen that? No. Okay, neither right. So we'll pass that one by. She's in a movie, another movie that I didn't see in 2005 called B-season opposite Richard Gear, which really is a This Had Oscar Buzz title.

We could and should because that definitely had some, it was written by Naomi Jillenhall, Jake and Maggie's mom. But also that same year, she's in Michael Hanukkah's cachet, which rules. And she's so good in that. So that then is followed up by return to working with Anthony Mangella for Breaking and Entering, an incredibly underrated movie. This, a movie I would love to do an episode on because I would like to see it. I don't think most people have heard of it. So I don't think it will be one of our most listened to episodes, but I think we should do it.

She's great. Jude Law is really great. Robin Wright is also in that movie. Mingela's final movie? Yes. Because he was working on something. As a director, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What was the movie that he was working on that had to go to someone else when he died?

Oh, God, you asked me too quick. Hold on. Oh, blah, blah, blah, blah. Oh, God, and it's a good movie. And I think it went to somebody who would have been a better fit for anyway than him. Yeah. I don't know. If you're listening to this and.

Yeah, yell at us. Well, I guarantee you the second we hit stop on the recording, it's going to hit me. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, great movie, breaking and entering. She's great in it. She's in one of the short films in Paris Chetem, which is not surprising, considering she's one of the great French actresses. She's in one of her oddest roles, which is she's in Dan in Real Life. The Steve Carell rests his head on a plate of pancakes movie. playing the woman who comes between naturally Steve Carell and Dane Cook. That is the most instinctive casting you could possibly imagine, Dan in real life. Benosh in American cinema is always kind of fascinating because sometimes it's just like, well, what are you doing here? What, you are better than this. Yeah.

But then sometimes she'll do great things. And sometimes she will do sometimes great, sometimes awful things. the staircase. I loved the staircase. You know I did. I didn't. I didn't. There was good stuff in there and not just the scene where face first into the derrier of one Tony Collette. Could not believe what I was seeing. Listen. The bravery of those two. The bravery. The bravery. No. Colin Firth. I should make clear. It's Colin Firth doing that. Not Julie

Pinotia. That would be excellent talent. Julia Panosch, I will say, the staircase is not, as a show I really liked, is not perfect, and one of the things I probably would have changed is I think it like lingers a little bit too long on the relationship between Colin Firth and Julia Panosh,

making it the very rare thing that I think would be improved by having less Julia Panoshe, which sounds insane. Did you ever see the Amoskata movie Disengagement? Did not. Did you ever see the Uh, uh, how has she, how Hashem.

Flet of the Red Blune. Yes. I've seen that. Okay. Talk about that movie. Beautiful movie. Talk about it. Uh, I don't know if I have much to say about her in that movie.

She's on the poster looking blonde, blonde, blonde, blonde. Very blonde, blonde, blonde, blonde, blonde, blonde. Uh, wrangling a child. I would maybe have more to say about her, uh, performance in the next year, which is summer hours, a movie that I absolutely love. Olivia SAS is summer hours. She's great. in that she's that is a movie where you talk about a movie where like julia pinoch gets prickly every you know three to five minutes um that is definitely one of them flight of the red balloon i just

did want to say yeah flight of the red balloon wins the award for movie title that sounds most likely to have been a 1950s movie instead of uh well it's based off of the red balloon 2007 or it's like a riff on the red balloon well there we go um I did not see Dito Montiel's The Son of No One, where she gets the with credit, with Julia Pino and Al Pacino, and I haven't seen that movie, what the hell is going on. That's one of those many Dito Montiel Channing Tatum movies when he was playing Street Tuffs a lot, which before we knew that he was made for other things. She's in David Cronenberg's Cosmopolis. I don't like David Cronenberg's

Cosmopolit. Weird movie. I wish I liked it. I'm trying to remember who she plays in that. She's... She's his wife, right? No, Sarah Gaden is his wife. She's the woman who he sleeps with, though.

Right? Maybe. She's not the one that, like, fingers him or gives him a rectal exam. No. That, I think, is Emily Hampshire. No? Maybe.

Or Samantha Morton? I don't know. Listeners are like, what the hell is this movie? By that conversation, you would think it's a really good movie. It's one of those... Unfortunately, does not work. It's one of the... That and...

What the fuck is the Noah Bombach movie from two years ago? That I'm like, I don't get Don DeLillo maybe, and maybe that's okay. White noise. White noise also a movie that does not work. Yeah. Okay. So we're moving on through the 2010s. The 2014 double feature of Godzilla and Clouds of Sills Maria is one of those high, low, art things that will be talked about and discussed.

It really feels like the shitty movie that she's like making or talking about in Clouds of Sills Maria is informed by her experience filming Godzilla, a movie that, that she shows up in only to immediately die. I like Gareth Edwards Godzilla a lot. Me too. I don't think she's in the parts of the movie that would make you think that it's a good movie, though. It is a, it is a demerit on the movie

that she is cast in that role because it's just like, what are you doing? Why are you wasting her time? Like, though, I mean, maybe it's supposed to be like Juliet Benos shows up and dies and it's supposed to add emotional gruff. to it because of the surprise of Juliet Benoche doing it. Right. If that's the case,

it doesn't work. Um, 2017 and 2018, she's in back-to-back Claire Deny movies and I'm going to give you the floor to talk about let the sunshine in and high life. Oh, okay. So, High Life, where she basically play, she, she calls herself

at one point, the shaman of sperm. She is a prisoner slash mad scientist in space. she goes into something called the fuckbox where she unleashes her braid and has sex with some type of machine. It's an incredible performance. Hope she keeps working with Claire Deney if Claire Deney makes many more movies.

Do you think Claire Deney allowed her to keep the long-ass ponytail braid that she has in that movie? I hope so. But she just has it in her home somewhere behind a glass door. In a closet, you know, like in a fuckbox. In a fuckbox, yeah. However, her performance and Let the Sunshine in, I said earlier, catch me on the right day. It's my favorite performance of hers. Yeah.

It is like, it's a romantic comedy in the way that any Claire Denny movie is a genre in that. You keep saying it's a romantic comedy and I'm like, but Claire Dinie directed it and you're like, yes. And I'm like, okay. Exactly. Because, like, high life is a Claire Deny science fiction movie. I know, and I didn't like it. But it's a Clair-Denie science fiction movie. So, let the sunshine in.

It's like, you know, it's basically this woman's romantic adventures over a set, or misadventures, maybe, over a certain set of time. And, you know, the ebbs and flows of her romantic hope, basically. And, like, everything that we've said about her performance style is basically center stage here. It's a movie that had to grow on me over time, as Claire Deney movies often do for people, but this one for me, I came out of that movie. I was like, yeah, a good movie. And as I sat with it and as I revisited it, I was like, oh, no, this is like one of Claire Deney's best movies. Like, absolutely just like the depth of feeling and her unique access into what she's trying to achieve with this movie. And I think maybe the best that she has ever understood her key performers screen persona and used it to the means of what the movie is trying to achieve. Let the Sunshine in is great. And I think it's like 80 minutes or so. It's a short movie.

Can't beat that. That is, I think, incredible. So from there, Benosh sort of stars in a series of movies that are, sort of all-time great sort of world cinema directors in projects that are not their most high-profile or well-received. You've got Olivier Aceyaz's nonfiction, Hirakazu Koreeda's The Truth, and Claire DeNi again. Which we talked about a lot last week. Yeah. Two weeks ago, three weeks ago for listeners. She plays Catherine Deneuve's daughter in that. And then Claire Deney again for a movie called Both Sides of the Blamey. that didn't really... Claire Denise may be best, most well, not well regarded, but like, best received high profile movie that nonetheless, I think is not her best. And like, I don't know about most high profile either because, like, I feel like that movie kind of went.

Yeah, but Claire Deny, like, won, what was it, she won in that Berlin? I think she won Best Director, or maybe she got their Grand Prix. it was it wasn't the golden lion um but yeah interesting very shot in COVID um and then this year she's uh in the taste of things for a director tronan hung um it was a can movie it was very very well received a can although i don't think it won any did it win it won director it won director okay well then very good then i'm incredibly wrong She plays a chef who she's working beneath the, she's working beneath the sort of executive chef, right? They have this hierarchical, I haven't seen this movie for months, but it was, yeah, it's a professional romantic relationship in this very French house restaurant type of thing.

Where he is, for lack of a better term, executive chef, whereas she is chef. She does all the cooking, but he does like the meal. She's the talent. He's like a restaurateur. And she's doing the actual, making the actual food. Contemporary verbiage type of thing. But it's a really lovely romance between them that is, you know, it's a talking romance where they sort of talk out, you know, they talk their, they talk their way through it. and it's not not a vibes movie it's not not a vibes movie it's not also finally be able to see this movie because there are so many

I don't know what the plan is but IFC said that it's wide releasing wide on Valentine's Day here's what I'm gonna say here's the uncomfortable truth of it is is that like the game's already over they can release it however they want to unfortunately we are past the point of it being a film in the conversation of 2023 and now we're gonna have to talk about it as you missed this movie, you need to go back and see this movie. Yeah, we could be talking about, I mean, I still think that there's a chance that it is an inner, at this point, as we're, as people are listening to this, yeah, yeah. But like, when we had gotten this on the docket, you know, I forget when Peter gave his submission, or Peter gave the submission for the episode, because we were like, oh, well, maybe Juliet Benoche is going to get some traction because earlier on in the season, you know, before precursor nominations and such. Yeah, it seemed like it couldn't happen.

It seemed like it was in the cards, but I just don't think IFC has had the infrastructure to make it happen, which is when listeners see the movie, they will get it that like if Focus had had this movie, if Searchlight had had this movie, it would be getting multiple nominations and possibly for for Benoche. Yeah. Yeah. And she's being campaigned and supporting, I would argue it's a lead performance. That's the other part of it is that there wasn't entirely... We won't really say why, but like... It's a great movie, though.

If you have a chance to see it in a theater, really try and do that. If not, see it when you can. I also want to say, of her upcoming movies, the one I want to mention is a movie called The Return, which is being directed by Uberto Pasolini. starring it's a first of all it's a it's an adaptation of the odyssey which um fantastic where uh she plays penelope and in the role of odysseus it is ray fines so it is an english patient reunion of juliet benoche and ray finds also in that movie is uh baby boy charlie plumber who um you know i'm a lean on pete person so um uh good for that but

Also in this telling, apparently Odysseus is covered in Burns, and Penelope just reads to him the whole time. It's perfect. It's perfect. I love it. So we are very, very excited for that reunion. I don't think they had they been in anything together since then? I don't. That seems conceivable.

It does seem conceivable, but I'm going to look that up right now while you talk about something else. Um, I think, uh, you know, somewhat as we begin to wrap things up, we could talk about can acting winners who have gone on to Oscar nomination. Say it. Sing it, sister. Since 1990, there have only been 10. This is why, you know, maybe we shouldn't take as much credence to can acting wins. Sure. As we could to like Palm wins or Grand Prix wins.

Sure. Uh, from most recent. to 1990. You have Antonio Benderis for Pain and Glory. Runei Mara for Carol. Bruce Dern for Nebraska. Jean-Due Jardin for The Artist. Penelope Cruz with a huge asterix on it because they gave it to the full female ensemble for Voldère. Javier Bardem for Beautiful. Christoph Waltz for Inglorious Bastards. Brenda Blethen for Secrets and Lies. Holly Hunter for the piano. And Gerard Depardue for Sir or no now two of those were also at the can i think has unofficial rules that you give the palm to something you can't give you give you give the palm and i think grand prix you can't give it

any other prizes so you know the brenda bleth and holly hunter ones you can kind of wonder like was that also aided by the palm win those were are also just huge movies. Yeah. But yeah, so can not necessarily a translation into Oscar acting in the way that we might think. And some of it is they're recognizing global cinema that may not get distribution in the U.S. They're recognizing global cinema. It also does help to introduce a name into the American sort of cinematic milieu that,

hadn't really been there before. You look at somebody like Brenda Blethen or Christoph Vultz or Jean-Due Chardin, and these are people who, like, yes, we would have gotten those movies. We would have certainly gotten In Glorious Basters, do you know what I mean? But, like, there is an acclamation to, you know, new people from foreign lands that American, I think what an American audience is, and I'm not just talking about like, you know, Joe Lunchpail. It's like, you know, American cinephiles can also have their walls up in terms of, you know, familiarity, right? Where they want movies by their American filmmakers and with their American stars.

And it helps to have vectors through which other performers and other filmmakers can poke through. And I do think that the can winners are able to, that is a way in which you can. do that. And so, um, I think that does help. It doesn't always, but it can. I think it can also elevate a performer to a certain stature and perception. I'm especially thinking of Kirsten Dunst, uh, winning for melancholia. Totally. Totally. Totally. Yep. Did Kristen Stewart ever win a performance award at can? No. it does seem like I don't think she's had that many movies at Cannes

at least in competition because there's crimes of the future Clouds of Sils Maria which she won a Cesar for Personal Shopper was not a Cannes movie? Yes, but that one director Right

God she's so good in that movie She really is She's really tremendous in that movie Anyway anyway anyway It's an interesting list you're totally right in that it also sort of shows you that like especially when you get into people like holly hunter for the piano or um you know a christoph vaults for inglorious bastards the reach that some of these performances you know get and the steamroll starts early yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah sort of what i'm thinking um going all the way back to sally field and norma ray which i think she she like i think her one bra in her memoir is she wins best actress at Cannes and then wins every American prize from there on. Yeah.

Like, I don't think that's a stat that's ever been challenged. It's a pretty good one. But I think she, I don't, I, she, she says something to that effect in the book. And when I looked it up, I'm pretty sure it's true. Yeah. The other thing that a can win can do is, and I'm thinking specifically, about Antonio Banderas in Pain and Glory is, it can recontextualize a performance and sort of give permission for the American Awards apparatus to start churning for someone, where you looked ahead

and it's like, well, it's an Almodivar movie. So it's like, it's not like Antonio Banderas has never done one of those before. And so there's a temptation maybe sometimes to just sort of like let that sit in that box and stay over there in, you know, or, you know, away from Oscar. And I think, well, if he's winning the Cannes Prize for Best Actor, then this is special. So we can, we can fire up that awards machine back in Los Angeles and, you know, see where it goes. Yeah. Yeah.

I wish it had happened for Coach Yucou show this year. For what? Sorry? Oh, for perfect days. Yeah. well sometimes yeah sometimes it's it's uh it's more of a challenge i think i don't know i don't know i think there's a way in which they could have done that campaign this whole like you don't know this guy but he's huge in japan and it's time to get to know

time to get on board you're already late i also expected them to put more umph into that movie and not make it a qualifying release. Yeah. There's a few, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's a lot of movies this year that I really, I'm, I've got some, some thoughts on the way. Access to grind. Not Axis to grind necessarily, but just like, we could have maybe gone another way. I don't know. Um, I just saw the tweet before we started recording that, uh, as predicted, the Iron

claw is the sixth highest grossing A-24 movie. also Adele's favorite film of 2023 Talk about that This is the Go off queen The TikTok that Chris sent me Minutes before we started recording

Where it's Adele At a concert Just sort of bantering with the audience And she says You know what my favorite movie of the year was The I am clow And do my love My Adele impersonation

You do it better than me But you refuse to do it That's fine I don't know She thinks Zakefron is amazing She's I mean

I think she's right Zagapha family of wrestlers Yeah no it's I love And the second I listen to it I go She's a member of the academy right Because like

That's one That's one vote down Put your vote behind it Let's get behind it down All right We'll see Anything else we want to say about

certified copy. I feel like because we're talking about a movie, that's a masterpiece. And we tend to talk a decent, we've done a decent amount of 2011 movies that I think we would really, really go to bat for. Marguerette,

young adult. It's given us a lot of opportunity to talk about how shitty we think the 2011 Oscars were, honestly. But famously weak best picture lineup, famously frustrating acting now. Which I erroneously said that I was a moneyball voter on our Scorsese draft, forgetting that this is the Tree of Life year. I used to be a Moneyball voter. At the time, I was a Moneyball voter.

I'm a Tree of Life voter. Are you a Tree of Life voter? We all know, it sounds like I'm being facetious, but I am not. My absolute earnest and genuine vote is for Warhorse and that lineup. And I do think it's the best of those ten. So here we are. It was at nine. That was the first year that it went back to nine.

The surprise nine, because extremely loud and incredibly close had the special little space above Jennifer Lawrence's head. Okay. So I thought it would be fun instead of once again ragging on the 2011 Oscars, even though we just did, to talk about what other movies from that year we would have championed. And we've both come with some really good and interesting ones. I'm going to start with Joe Wright's Hana, which was the movie that convinced me that Sir Sharonan was going to be a thing moving forward. Like wasn't just going to be this like, oh, remember that little girl who got nominated when she was a kid for Atonement, right? Like this kind of locked it in where I was like, oh shit. And it's, it's, it's, it's maybe the movie that gets talked about least in the Joe Wright

Uber, even the movies that like, we don't want to talk about like Pan and the soloist almost get brought up more because they are exceptions to the rule. And like, nobody talks about how good Hannah is as a movie. I should rewatch it too, because it is so fun. It's a hoot and a half. Tom Hollander is so fun. Kate Blanchett is like literally picking her. teeth with the scenery in this movie and um she's flossing with sirsha's hair like the fight scenes are amazing the chemical brother's score is so much fun it's a real banger so good so good um yeah i love it

it's great i would love to see joe right work in this mode again at some point and yes um i think that would be super super fun you could give joe right a james bond movie like why don't they actually? Like, not a bad idea. Because these movies haven't made money, probably. Yeah, but great way to turn that around is to give him a James Bond movie. Right. All right.

What was one of the ones that you had picked? I mean, I think this is the easiest one for listeners to expect me to say. A movie I love is DeRise's Pariah. What about Pariah? What about it out of Paro DiParo-Di. A movie we could do an episode on. We haven't yet. So maybe I'll save, like, real thoughts on that.

But, like, you know, I think at that time, a lot of it got reduced to, you know, at a pair of Dewey's performance and not to, you know, discredit her performance in any way. I think she's great. I think as an ensemble movie and a movie about friendship and, et cetera, I think there's a lot to discuss in that movie that still hasn't been unpacked. I love that movie. Yeah. What's Dee Reese working on now? Oh, there is something coming. I just forget what it is.

We should also do the last thing he wanted for no excuse for us to watch it and be like, what, what happened here? Anonymous cinema at the most anonymous Sundance. That was the Sundance right before everything fell apart, right? I think so. And they buried that movie in the song. Sundance lineup. Because that was, that was like one of those things that it premiered after most of the

press is gone. Right. And it's like, we know what that means. Oh, you know what? I knew I had seen her name and something. She's one of the directors who's directing episodes of that this Apple TV series Masters of the Air that's about to premiere. Oh, right.

Where it's Austin Butler. Talk to people who have seen it and like it. I like, I've seen the first episode. It looks really good. And like, it's Austin Butler and. Calam Turner, but, like, Barry Keogan's in this, and they're all, you know, they're all playing these sort of like American Fly Boys, which I think is very interesting, especially when it comes to Callum Turner.

And Barry Keoghan, I've only seen him in the previews for the next movie, but he is doing an accent, kids. Like, he is coming in, like, Jimmy Cagney or something. It's kind of amazing. but the episodes look really, really tremendous, and the directors that they have lined up because it's not just De Rees, it's also, give me a second, come on.

Oh, God, Amazon, not Amazon, IMDB. Because the first several episodes are all directed by Carrie Fukunaga, of course, but DeRis is directing a couple episodes and someone else as well. But anyway, I'm interested to make my way through that series, D. Reese is an incredible director. I also wanted to bring up a couple filmmakers who had films this year, which I really liked, but had great movies in 2011. Kelly

Records, Meeks cutoff, and Andrew Hay's weekend, which that was, of course, like the big breakthrough. I keep saying that I want to do an Andrew Hay marathon one weekend where I just watch all of his stuff, sort of back to back to back. Where you just emotionally abuse yourself. Right. Yeah. But, um, Including, like, maybe even throw the looking movie into that as well and just sort of, like, do it all up. Meeks cutoff is a movie that kind of gets left off of the Kelly Reichart discussion a lot, and... It does. And it's a real accomplishment.

Like, it's a real... I think a lot of people sort of had struggled with how still that movie can be, sort of even just, like, literally still, where it's just there. a lot of the movie is them being like, no, we're not going to go anywhere until we talk out where we're going. And it's a lot of, like, struggle with that. But Michelle Williams is great. Paul Dano is great. Yeah, everyone in that cast is great. Do we think that's where Paul Dano and Zoe Kazam met?

I'm not sure. Zoe Kazan, let us know. Write us in and let us know. We would love to hear it. We love you. Yeah, I would even say the Michelle Williams, Kelly Reichart, uh, partnership, it still gets underdiscust. Yes. And maybe because this is more, in that context, you know, this is more of an ensemble movie.

Showing up is one of my, like, lurking on the outer edge of my, like, top 15, top 20. Put it in your 10. Top 10 is a real competitive 10 this year. It deserves it. It deserves it. It's in my top ten. It's really good. You know I love it. You know I love Hong Chow in it, especially. You have time, though. You have time because you don't do yours until the blankies. Yeah, yeah, it's true. Other ones that I would call out very me pick, but Bertram Vanello's House of Tolerance. I don't know very much about House of Tolerance, so I want you to talk about this a little bit.

I hadn't seen it until last summer, I think. a friend really, really was selling me on it, and oh boy, I was into it. It is definitely a wavelength movie if you do, and most people are not on the wave. What's the like capsule premise? It is like kind of a semi-anachronistic view of a, I believe, Victorian era, French brothel. Very vibesy. I thought it was fantastic and amazing. I seem to be pro bonello on movies.

I got to see that movie that you liked it at TIF. Trust and Believe, you may hate it because I was... What's it called again? The Beast. The Beast. The Beast opens in April. All right. I loved that movie and a lot of people really hated it. So maybe I just like Bonillo.

And then two other movies that we could do episodes on, Take Shelter and Contagion. Contagion. I think I'm ready. I think I'm ready to see Contagion after... Are we far enough for moving? I think we're far enough. We might be far enough removed.

And take shelter, like, also being in the mass of Jessica Chastain movies that all came out at once. Right. But also, I would... It's been a while since I've seen it, but I'd probably argue as my favorite Jeff Nichols movie. Oh, see, and I was a little bit underwhelmed by it, and I would like to... to see it again, to see if my thoughts have changed. My other one that I threw on there, and we should do an episode on this, too, is we need to talk about Kevin, which I still think is just a tremendous Tilda Swinton performance. I know that talking about Ezra Miller is not the most appealing notion these days, but at some point we'll need to do that one, because it did come, I would say, pretty close to getting.

Tilda Switten and Best Actress Nominals. Listen, Jennifer Lawrence is about to work with Lynn Ramsey, so maybe it'll be time for us to talk about Lynn Ramsey. Maybe. The one Lynn Ramsey movie that you like? Yes. Actually, yeah. Well, have you seen Rat Catcher?

No, I've not seen Rat Catcher. I should try it. I don't love Rat Catcher the way people love Rat Catcher, but I love. I really, I was so, I just assumed that I was going to walk out of Morvern Caller being like on top of the world, just absolutely like screaming to the hills about how I loved it. And I was so vexed by the fact that it just absolutely missed me. And I'm wondering whether I should give it another shot because it's not like I hate, it's not like I, you were never really here was a, was a experience where I was just like, I don't want to be in this environment

anymore. Whereas like, more of a color, I was just like, what am I missing? And, and I might try give that another shot, so... One of my favorite movies of the odds. Love Morven Caller. All right. I'm going to dip in my... What else do we have to say about certified copy? Other than, if this is one that listeners haven't seen,

definitely seek it out, allow it to rewire your brain as you're watching it. Here's one thing I wanted to ask you. The scene with the coffee shop lady, right before William Schimel comes back inside. And then suddenly they're married. Right. Um, she approaches the table, her back, the camera is, is on her back. We don't hear what she says to Benoche.

What do you think that was? I mean, I don't, I'm happy to not know. No, I guess I'm not saying what do you think it was, but like what, what's the purpose of that? What's the, like, is. Is it just another element of mystery? Is it just another element of, we don't know, you know, sort of like cinematic fairy dust kind of a thing, where it's like now everything is different. As a viewer, I may be like, and I say this as, you know, I'm saying this is a fault of mine. I'm maybe too willing to just accept that as mystery.

Okay. I don't want to disagree. I don't want to have a fight. When you say that, the implication is that I am not willing to accept something as a mystery. But what I'm saying by saying that is not one of my good traits is that you are normal. And I am not. Because like, I'm happy to accept something as a mystery, but I want to like at least talk about the mystery of it. I want to sort of like.

Sure. I mean, yes, she could be. I mean, I almost kind of want to believe Like, is it something that she says about, like, marriage that, like, really, like, freaks Benosh out? Or, like, is it something wise? Is it something, like, I'm so curious. I'm so curious. Sure.

Yeah. I. Well, and because there is such a shift. There's a shift after that conversation, but there's really a shift when they leave. Yeah. So, and, like, the idea that I was talking earlier that, like, so much of this is also about projection, that whatever this woman says does cause a shift in their conversation, or maybe she tells her some type of secret that she knows about him or noticed that she might not have noticed, like, oh, he was, he couldn't take his eyes off you something, I don't know. Right, right. I love her.

I love that character so much. I really do. I think what needs to happen is you need to open your own coffee shop and become this woman. Okay. Twist my arm. Twist my arm to, like, have me open a coffee shop and just, like, do that for the rest of my life. Like, okay, we'll do. Imagine just, like, running a coffee shop in Tuscany and just watching the people sort of cycle in and out on the

their little living their little lives and some of them are tourists and some of them are regulars and what a life all right i do want to talk a little bit about the like semi fourth wall breakingness of these straight on shots that happen at the that begin at the restaurant that feel so intense that intensifies this feeling of the shot in the wine bar is the one i always think of is after he leaves in a huff and she is looking dead at the camera and you know she's not acknowledged, but like it comes very close to feeling like she's about to actually break the fourth wall. And what she's actually doing is she sees through the window, the married couple. Yeah, when she waves to the married couple and like you think that she's waving to the audience,

like, look what I can do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I love. I love. love it because it's it's this I mean I already called it you know intense but it's an intensification of this feeling this like you know where you feel like your brain is spaghetti tangled in a knot in the movie and it's like it ties it tighter you know where you really can't the the like storytelling effect of that is that it's more displacing so that you as an audience really can't wrap your head around yeah all of it. all right uh everybody stop your walking tour of uh beautiful little museums and shops in tuscany because it's time for your vulture fantasy movie league update we are suddenly we are married suddenly or are we husband and why or are we have a child that we're arguing about uh debate in the comments um And anyway, we are also sort of suddenly kind of in the, we're closer to the Oscars than it seemed to be like for so long, it was like, oh my God, the Oscars aren't until March 10th. Like, it's so long.

It's so far. There's still a month away, my dude. I know. But like, as I'm counting down, like, that's four weekends. And I'm like ticking them away. And like one of them is, you know, I guess now that I have assignments due before the Oscars, it's seeming like less time where it's just like, oh, shit. it um one month yes it's it's a long time and yet it's not when you boil it down to four

weekends it's not so long of a time so um so these vulture movie fantasy league updates will be uh a little quieter well for the next couple weeks and then things will start to ramp back up you'll get your um pGA dGA of course the big points occasions to come will be the SAG Awards and the BAFTAs and then Oscar Knight's, well, the Independent Spirit Awards as well. And then Oscar Night sort of, I remember last year when the Independent Spirit Awards came and it was like everything everywhere all at once was already just like creaming the competition by that point. And it was totally, did not need to have another dominant day at the

Independent Spirit Awards, but like, boy, did it happen. So I will not have that that happened this year, you will not have Oppenheimer steamrolling the Independent Spirit Awards. So that is at least something where you'll get some different things. I haven't thought about the Independent Spirit Awards for a while. What are like, I'm going to pull that up for like half a second. It will allow me to digress because. Well, or also known as the film Twitter People's Choice Awards, since everybody pays to vote for these things. Oh, right. Sorry to be the fly in the again about the indie spirit always you're such a bummer about these things um hold on hold on hold on so okay

so of the best feature nominees the only best picture nominees there are american fiction and past lives so you i would i could see a world in which past lives sort of just like knocks everything out right at the independent spirit words that seems like the world that i think we're living in i think that's probably true um i think you're probably looking at, I mean, probably frontrunners and best feature, Celine Song and Best Director, probably, well, okay, so lead performance, dreadedly past lives, but also, like, I could see Jeffrey Wright in American fiction getting something there, Andrew Scott and all of us strangers, Natalie Portman. This is kind of the, the me, the me choice awards, because it's like, these are all the people that I was like, oh, my God, these people should

have been nominated at the Oscars, Natalie Portman, Andrew Scott. And then in supporting the only Oscar nominees there are Sterling K. Brown. Remember when Sterling K. Brown got nominated at the Independence Beard Awards? And we're like, oh, different. She's different. And now, um, now he's an Oscar nominee. Very the same. But, like, this does seem to be the one area in where the Oscars will overlap because

Divine Joy Randolph hasn't lost anything yet. And I don't expect her to lose this one. And Paul Giamatti is not nominated or is nominated? is not nominated. Yeah. So, yeah. Although, yeah,

both Divine Joy Randolph and then Dominic Sessa is nominated in Breakthrough Performance, which he will probably win, although Lord knows a Marshawn Lynch insurgency would delight and tickle me. Screenplay.

Get at it, film Twitter, People's Choice Award winner voters. Yeah. Screenplay, I think you're also probably looking at Past Live Celine's song, but I would not be shocked of Cored Jefferson wins for American Fiction, or David Hemingson for the holdovers.

So there's a little bit of competition there. I think best first feature is going to be the Chris File moment, where 1,0001, I think, does end up winning. And first screenplay will be May December. Any prizes for, any prizes for Devine are not Chris File moments, so. Well, that's true, but it's just like, I think, I think

you have had to share Davey and Joy around. Randolph with the world. I think Dave and Joe Randolph is no longer your own. I think she's, she belongs to us all now. So, um, uh, you've had to relinquish that. Anyway, the point, how did we get into this? Oh, that like, there's, there's a few more big sort of ceremonies before. It's good that we're talking about the Indy Spirit Awards because the Indy Spirit Awards are still the day before the Oscars or did that change? No, they moved. They moved to the, to, to a week before. I think now it might be, the bigger, the bigger headlines. of the week that those happened

will probably be a bigger award show like SAG or Beth. They've actually moved it even further now they're two weeks ahead. So right now the weekend before the Oscars is a barren wasteland. So like everybody can like take their breath. God, give everyone a nap. The SAG Awards and the Independent Spirit Awards are on the same

day and then it's nothing until well it's PGA's the day after that and then nothing for two full weeks until the Academy Awards. Listen, between Indy Spirit Awards, Awards and SAG being on the same day. Only one of them will have a Lifetime Achievement Award for Miss Barbara Streisand. This is true.

This is true. Actually, let me double check this because I have that written down, and now I'm seeing that the Independent Spirit Awards are on February 25th, which is... Joe, I'm also reading the movie Fantasy League fine print, and it says any lifetime achievements that go to Barbara are an automatic thousand point bonus to me? Weird. Why would I have put that in? I don't know if I would have wanted to given you such an advantage that way.

That's crazy. Yeah, I'm wrong. The Saga Awards are on the 24th, and the Independent Spirit Awards are on the 25th. Still, though, there's nothing for two weeks before the Oscars. So it feels like a lot of time to, I don't know, spin our wheels. They're basically like, go get COVID, heal up, go to the Oscars. Okay. Perhaps that's not wrong.

Perhaps that's not a bad idea. Although the Independent Spirit Awards famously are under a tent on a, or at least historically had been under a tent in a parking lot in Santa Monica. Yeah, I think they might have moved that. Man, nothing's good like it used to be, Chris. What the fuck? Anyway, in terms of box office this weekend, as you are listening to this, the new box office for the new weekend, Wanka has indeed surpassed $200 million.

I said, I sort of mused this idly in my newsletter last week. I think next season I want to do a $200 million, $150 and $200. million dollar bonus. It's just because it's weird. It's harder to get to those post. Yeah. And once you hit 100 million, um, there's nothing for you after that. Like, there's essentially no difference between Wonka and Aquaman.

And that feels like wrong. You know what I mean? Like, it feels like, um, one should be more valued than the other. Also, uh, hitting 100 million, although it did it last week. Um, migration, man. Like, those illumination movies make money. Like, they, They always do. Make money and make no Oscar nominations. Well, I wonder which one they would rather.

American fiction finishes in the top, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. These are the sort of like post-nomination bumped into the theater. So American fiction did that. Zone of Interest, did that. um poor things did that and had like a nice little bump last week and now I don't see am I missing them on the chart uh it doesn't look like that's been report per the number maybe they have yeah okay um we're checking we're recording this on sunday morning poor things has not been crushing it at the box office they had a good week last week though

they expanded and they finished in the top five so um they had a good week last week but um they're certainly doing better than it seemed like they were doing a month ago, I will say. But yeah, so that's sort of where we're at with the Fantasy League. Chris in the newsletter last week, I did a section on the sort of best value

picks, the top 10 movies that gave you the most points per dollar based on what they cost to purchase. You are a subscriber to the movie Fantasy League newsletter. Did any of these movies make it

onto your lineup. These would be for our listeners. Robot Dreams was actually the number one best value. It's gotten 125 points to date. It was only a dollar to buy. It is maybe...

Oscar nomination and 100% on Rotten Tomatoes, correct? Yep. It's maybe the movie I would vote for for the Oscar. I would too. I think it's the best... I think it's the best one,

but I would also throw a vote to Nimona as well. I did love Nimona. And I think that Namona ended up being such a good movie, considering the arduous road it had to being a completed film. Yeah, explain that. Because, yeah, explain that to our listeners. Well, the Namona story goes all the way back to, like, it was a canceled project because it was set up at, I believe, Fox during the Disney merger and then just got completely white. So it's had a long road. The Disney merger is sort of taking on implications like the Sony hacks, where it's like, what were the movies that were impacted?

It was like, the writer's strike in 08, the Sony hacks, like, these are these moments where it's like, what movies got caught in that particular amber and, you know, are now infamous forever. Anyway. The only thing that I have in my league from this top 10 that you put. put out is poor things, which poor things was initially supposed to be released in September. We thought that was a bad sign. Yeah. And that's why it was only a $10 buy in the game. Well, also the fact that...

Well, also the fact that... That's a pretty good... That's a pretty good deal. But also the fact that sight unseen, and we had... I had set these all before New York Film Festival. Was it New York or was it... Where did poor things? Venice.

was Venice, but you can't trust Venice. Anyway, there was definitely a sense of, is this going to be too weird for, you know, for... Well, Searchlight slotted it in the, like, September window that mother was slotted into. And we were like, oh, okay. But anyway, it was such an attractive prospect for voting that every single roster that is currently in the top 100 of the Fantasy League has poor things on it. So if you drafted poor things, good for you. But also, it's probably not helping you because everybody, has it, so it's kind of a wash. It's sort of a social pick right now. Excuse me. Second best value with 115 points to date

off of a dollar buy is Sizume, which is the Makoto Shinaki who directed your name and weathering with you. Latest from that director and didn't really ever

land in the United States. I got a Golden Globe nomination and then nothing. Played in the spring. Yeah. But in terms of like, didn't really ever take hold in terms of anything, right?

There wasn't a sort of like Ronswell box office. The critics didn't really rally behind it for awards. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, American fiction is number three. Oh, wait, I do also have American fiction in my league.

American fiction's been a very good buy. I have a feeling that a lot of the top rosters have American fiction on there. 20 days in Mario Poll, which was a $2. by that has currently made a hundred and, or two hundred and five points. That point value is only going to go up

because I think that's winning the Oscar. It's very well, yeah, it's a very, very strong possibility. Poor things as you mentioned. Here's what I find astoundingly funny is tied for sixth place are five nights at Freddy's and Taylor Swift, the heirs tour. Those were both of the movies

that like won the box office stretch from like October through most of November, those in the Hunger Games. they were valued differently. Freddy's was a $3 buy. Taylor Swift was a $5 buy. So they made different totals,

and yet they have the exact same points per dollar. They are both exactly 79 points per dollar, which is some cosmic shit that I don't know what to attribute that to. Weirdly, without getting an Oscar nomination, still a Michael J. Fox movie is our number eight value pick because it got all the precursors, essentially, for Best Documentary.

Beyond Utopia was another one that did not get the Oscar nomination, but got like DGA, PGA, BAF to nominations. And then The Mother of All Lies, which was a international feature contender and documentary contender. I keep messing this up which one it was shortlisted for and which. and it wasn't. I'm pretty sure it was shortlisted international and not documented that short list, but not documentary. Yeah, and it ultimately did not get. Very possible that it's a vice versa thing because I've said it wrong multiple times. But anyway, these value, the value, best value picks will obviously end up differently by the end of the year because once you get those Oscar points, things will get shaken up. But it's an interesting snapshot of, you know, who.

was able to really, if you were able to cash in on a dollar buy and got robot dreams, like, that's pretty good, right? If you used your $5 by to get Taylor Swift or American fiction, you've done very well for yourself. So, congratulate yourselves. What else do we want to say about the movie Fantasy League before we move forward?

The leaderboard is the same. The leaderboard has been the same for the last like three weeks. Like, good for our for our garries for doing the most and the best they are still four in the top ten um seven in the top twenty eight in the top twenty five like it's it's just you're you're killing it you're killing it um shout out to team mike nickle's seventh favorite woman that is a deep cut joke that i am very very fond of um what other obviously any team named after floor plum um is going to be a after my heart.

I also feel like we need to give another shout-out who we haven't given a shout-out to in a while is Rebecca Alter leading the Vulture Staff League. Rebecca's killing it. Rebecca's absolutely killing. 148 of the entire game.

Team name, Here we go, Mama. I love, I mean, Rebecca, as I've said to Rebecca on Twitter, I love that team name so much. Although coming on strong is Allison Wilmore. Coming for the top, Rebecca, so watch her back. And then in the podcasters league, this guy over here that I'm looking at in the Zoom is currently at the top, fending off our good friend Katie Ritt.

Katie's going to beat me, though. Katie's going to beat me because Katie has Oppenheimer, and I do not. Yeah. All right, Katie, so I'm in fourth place in this. Katie and I, oh, I wish I could look at two. All right, so she has Oppenheimer and Barbie, as do I. She has poor things, as do I. She has Taylor Swift, but, like, those points are done.

She has American fiction in case score Jefferson pulls off the adapted win. Right. We both have Dix the musical, which I find very funny. I also have American fiction. So the only way I can make ground on Katie is perfect days. And the way that Katie can make ground on me is... American Symphony. So if American Symphony wins, but she's also ahead of me by a good 200 points.

So really, it's down to American Symphony versus Perfect Days, which is a real fucking micro, like, that is some Oscar nerdery right there. And that Katie and I are coming down to American Symphony versus Perfect Days. That's quite funny. My way of maintaining ground is the Sandra. cooler points. Yeah, you've got anatomy of a fall. Both anatomy of a fall and zone of interest. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Both of which I think will emerge. And Boy in the Heron, which is going to win animated, probably. So you've got that. Very interesting, very interesting. All right, Chris. Let's get back to possible marriage play Tuscany. Juliet Pinoche, who I do have for the taste of things, not that it matters. this season.

We talked about this before. All right, back to Certify. It's going to be a good episode. Later. Bye. Did I say this is my number one movie of 2011? I may have forgot to mention that. Oh, no, you didn't.

This is my number one movie of 2011. I love that. It's so good. It's not my number one, but, you know. Yeah. It's on. You're a tree of life, boy. I get it.

No, no, no, no. My number one's probably Marguerette. Oh, sure, Marguerette. Margarat's up there for me. I think I've got this even higher. All right, why don't you tell the listeners all about the IMDB game? So listen, listeners, every episode we end with the IMDB game where we challenge each other with an actor or actress to try to guess the top four titles that IMDB says they are most known for. If any of those titles are television, voice only performances, or non-acting credits, we mention that up front. After two wrong guesses, we get the remaining titles release years as a clue.

That's not enough. It just becomes a free. for all of hints. Indeed. That's the IMDB game. That is the IMDB game. Chris, would you like to give first or guess first? Why don't I guess first this week? Okay.

So in looking into Juliet Benosha's upcoming projects, the most sort of immediate is this upcoming TV series, the trailer just released. And now I can't remember what platform it's on, because Lord knows, TVs everywhere these days. I think it's an Apple. It's called The New Look. It's essentially she's Coco Chanel and Ben Mendelson is Christian Dior and... Oh, God, I will be watching this. Yeah. Unless it's like Apple.

Glenn Close is in it. John Malcovic is in it. It will offer another round of Twitter know-it-all's to be able to tweet. You know she was a Nazi sympathizer, right? It's like, yes, we know Coco Chanel was, uh, or whatever. It was just like there was, you know, uh, maybe that's part of the show. Uh, you think it might be? Yeah, I think so. You know what I mean?

Like, sorry, I'm not being sarcastic to you. I'm being sarcastic to these people. These people on Twitter. You can be sarcastic to me. I can take it. It's fine. Oh, cracks, apples. Anyway, am I doing the known for Coco Chanel?

No, no, you're doing the known for one of the stars of, uh, uh, uh, the new look who is a clace bang. Okay. So, the, uh, not the Irishman. The, what's, oh, one, one television show, sorry, uh, for Clay's Bang. Ah, uh, he was, what was he on? Was he on, um, he was on, um, he was on Game of Thrones? He wasn't. I don't think. He's on something like that, though. Um, well, I'll just go for the obvious, the square. The square, yes. The, What is that? Why can't I name that movie? And why do I want to keep saying the Irishman, the Robert Eggers Viking movie, that I think is way more boring than it needs to be.

I liked it. Fight Scars Guard naked. I liked it. Um, think directional. The Northman. The Northman. All right. So you got two. No one. Uh, and his TV show, which is, plays like a, is it like American gods? No, you would think he would, he would fit in well with something like that. I think he played a vampire. He might have, he was, I don't know what he would have played a vampire, but it's not a vampire thing. Okay.

It's not in that, it's not in that genre that you're thinking of. The other TV show has to be something like that. So I'm going to say the Lord of the Rings TV show, whatever it's called. No, I'm telling you, it's not that genre. Think of something completely different than that type of show. So it's like maybe a crime show? Maybe. Is it Mind Hunter?

No, it's more of a... It's not that dark. It is a... It's a show about a crime. Well, that's two wrong guesses. So I should get my ears. So your movie that you're missing is from 2019, and this TV show was from 2022. Okay, so Fargo?

Not Fargo. This TV show began in 2022. Got it. About a crime. Yeah. It can't be the staircase. It's not. But is it under the banner of heaven?

Nope. It's lighter than that. Lighter than under the banner of heaven, lighter than the staircase. It's not a comedy, but there are comedic elements. It is created by and stars a comedic, a comedian, a comedic actress. A flight attendant? No. This woman was nominated for an Emmy.

This past, at this just had Emmys. But not for this show. Yeah, for this show. Oh, okay. Um, one of the other stars is a famous sort of, uh, uh, nepo baby, for lack of a better term, who was in a movie this year on this same streaming platform. Oh, okay. That might end up with an Oscar nomination as people are listening to this, but I don't think so. Nepo baby that might have an Oscar nomination this year.

the per the nepo baby won't have a nomination but the movie that she's in might oh okay oh female nepo baby yes on a crime show opposite another woman yep who think not american british yeah think you know british so scottish irish irish Who is Irish that could be Oscar nominated this year? That's a NEPO baby. Maybe I don't know this person's a nepo baby. Maybe I don't know that they're Irish. Her father is like famously Irish. Oh.

Although not an actor. Some type of sports person? Nope. Politician. Nope. Wow. How am I going to get you? Listeners are screaming.

No, not necessarily. All right. So the poster for this show is five women in front of a hearth. Oh, everybody tells me to watch the show. I couldn't get past the pilot. It's Sharon Horgan is in. the show. It's not like five.

It's not called five sisters, but I think sisters is in the time. Not the number of sisters, but perhaps the quality of those sisters. Quality. Yeah. Bad sisters? Bad sisters. Bad sisters. I liked it.

I didn't love it. There were things about it that I was a little bit sort of, you know, hung up on. But I generally enjoyed, enjoyed it. I'm looking forward to the. I have to confess, I don't think I'm a Sharon Hogan fan. I think we've had this conversation before. I do love Sharon Hogan. I think she's wonderful.

Maybe I just missed the thing that everyone loves her for. Eve Husson is the Nepo baby I was trying to steer you towards. Oh, okay. Eve Houston is not getting an Oscar nomination. No, but Floreson might get a song nomination. I don't think it will, but it could. Oh, so it is an Apple TV show. Yeah.

Yeah. Flore and Son, I think, could get a song nomination. Could. Maybe not necessarily, yes, but yes. Yeah, Clay Spang plays the guy who gets killed in Bad Sisters. He is the... Oh, Bad Sisters is the show. Yes, Bad Sisters is the show you're trying to guess.

Yes, yes, yes. All right. Got it. So, you're missing... 2019 movie, so the same time-ish frame as the Northman. I've not seen this movie. I know this movie by the title, because it's sort of a peculiar title. It is a mystery drama thriller, according to IMDB.

The poster has four actors, one of whom just won a Golden Globe, one of whom is a rock star in real life, like legendary rock star. In a movie. Okay, so just won a Golden Globe. Yeah, one of these four performers just won a Golden Globe. I'm guessing it's not somebody who just won, like, Critics' Choice or Emmy. Nope. Which is why you say...

But she was nominated for both of those, but she didn't win. I don't think she won critics' choice. So, okay, so it's, again, another female star. Who could that be? Not Sarah Snook. Not... Who won the comedy one? Allie Wong?

Nope. No, she won all of those two. Um, what one? Oh, I. It's not Iowa Deppery. Nope. Emma Stone won a globe. It's not Emma Stone.

Uh, it's not Lily Gladstone. Think long, longish running TV show. Keeps recasting its major roles. Yeah. I think it's fine. Oh, uh, Jennifer Coolidge. Jennifer Coolidge. No, no, no, no, no, no.

Keeps recasting its major roles. I think it's finally in its last season. I'm forgetting whatever the supporting globe was. Yes, it's that. Famously tall. Oh, Debicki. Yes. Imagine, I forgot the crown.

Okay, so it's Elizabeth Debicki, Clice Bang, this major rock bar. Oh, I've seen this. It's not very good. It has McJagger in it. It is, it was a TIF gala. Was it? Yes. It was in, I think it was in competition at Venice or it was out of competition and then went to a Tif Gala.

The title is stupid. There's a color in the title. Tangerine. Nope. It's like, think of your creola box. Macaroni and cheese. No, think of your creola box and like the. the sort of classic specific titles, or specific colors.

It's not just... A burnt orange heresy. There you go. You got it. The burnt orange heresy. Yeah, I've never seen this movie. It's not good. It's not good.

Okay. What's it about? It's just a crime thriller? It's just a... Kind of, yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right.

Cool. So for you, I went into the recent history of Cannes acting prize winners. And apparently we haven't done my nemesis on IMDB game, so you get to do Caleb Landry Jones. Oh, wow. My beloved, my beloved little tweaker. I shouldn't say that. It's sad that he got

into trouble with drugs. Um, okay. Oh, I didn't know that. We'll talk after. Caleb Landry Jones, get out. No. Um, three billboards?

wildly yes Three billboards I both really like him in that movie And I think he is part of You cannot understand a word He's part of my biggest problem With that movie as well But

I have complicated feelings About three billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri Okay Imagine Three more Three more for Caleb X men first class

Correct Okay Um Oh god The title of the Softies movie has now been usurped by a thousand and one in my head

but it's a title that's sort of like that, right? Uh, the Softies movie? Yeah. Not, no, I would not say that these titles are close. Okay. I'm thinking of something completely different. Um... You can guess that movie if you want.

Well, I can't think of the title, so I'm going to not for a second. Byzantium. Byzantium is in... You know I love Dezantium. Your years are 2012 and 2012. 2012 and 2021. This is where it gets put. Oh, shut up.

2012 and 2021. 2012, so it's the year after X-Men First Class. I believe. What was Lil Caleb doing then? 2012, I will say, is some type of action thriller starring a, um, an action star that definitely has, like, just a morass of these type of movies. Liam Neeson. Uh, good guess, but no. Less so, I feel like it's less so to this person's reputation that they have this, but they definitely have a bunch of action movies that just blur together. No. Definitely like star, star power, but you're thinking too highbrow.

Okay. Statham. No. High, not higher. But, like, higher regard. Okay. Statham at least has a veneer of, like, oh, well, that's dumb, but maybe I would have fun. I see this star in an action movie, and I'm like, I'm not. You're walking the other way.

If you see him in a non-action movie, are you more interested? No. You don't like this person. No. Mel Gibson, Mark Wahlberg. from this person before and I think that this person has had great performances but no

I don't want to see this person in a movie Mark Wahlberg Mark Wahlberg Mark Wahlberg 2012 Is it like shooter Or uh It's not shooter but he does have He is holding a gun

On the poster In addition to lifting up a shirt and revealing Bricks of Money duct tape Oh I know what this one is but I'm not going to be able to get the title um Frigg The other people on this poster I will just give you this

Kate Beckinsale Ben Foster and a Goteed Giovanni Rubisi Ben Foster Giovanni Ribisi and Caleb Landry Jones all in the same movie is fucking hilarious that is wild

Bingo! Someone's calling bingo on this My Twitchy boys are all in the same place. My God. Bingo card. Oh, my beloved Twitchy boys. Point me in the direction of, like, what the title? Is it like, the something? It's not the something.

It is one word that... Is it like ricochet? Synonymous with illicit material. Synonymous with illicit material? So not pornography, but like... Trath. Illicit material. That's what I say with it.

Is it synonymous with, like, drug? Yes. Junk. That's also what I say when I see Mark Wahlberg on a movie poster. Mack. That's what I want to do when I see Mark Walker on a poster. Contraband. Contraband.

For fuck sake, contraband. Okay, the other movie I have definitely made fun of on Mike. at least semi-recently as a movie that does not exist. 2021. Drama? I don't think that's what you would classify this as. Action? Yes, but...

Horror? More so another genre. Horror? No. War? No. I should, maybe I should qualify. He is not credited as a voice in this movie.

Oh, it's animated. No, but I believe he just does a voice. 2021, so it's not Avatar. It may be mo-capped. Okay. But I think it's probably just a voice. Is it like a big CGI junkie piece of shit? Yes, also on streaming.

Oh. Is it, um... You definitely brought this movie up, and I was like, well, that's not fucking real. When, in what context would I have brought this movie? I can't remember. Actually, it might have been on one of our Patriots. 2021. Netflix?

Very famous headlining star. And yet, no. No one watched. Netflix? No. Apple. Yes. Oh, oh, oh!

I can't believe I haven't seen this movie. It's chappy but sentimental. It's, um, the... It is chappy but sentimental, but what's the title? Fitch, or what the fuck? Finch. Thank you. Finn.

Finch is on Caleb Landry Jones's known for. The devilish look on your face was for a reason, and I knew it was for that. Oh. I can't believe there's a movie that stars Caleb Landry Jones, Ben Foster, and G. Von Rubisi. That shouldn't be allowed by law. That should be illegal. They should

give out hazmat suits to people. What's the title of the Saftees movie? Heaven knows. Heaven knows what. Heaven knows what. A thousand and one. There's... That's not similar. Fivesy similarities. All right.

You gave me Clies bang. Is that how we pronounce it? Clies? I think it's Clyde. Sorry, Clys. I said Clace. All right. That's our episode, y'all.

That was fun. It was a good episode. Go see if you have not seen certified copy, make Chris and me and Peter are a patron very happy and both see certified copy. I will also say unlikely three-hour episode, but I think when we have our Vulture insert, this is probably going to be a three-hour episode. Listen, it's just that way these days.

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