This Had Oscar Buzz - 285 – A Bigger Splash

Episode Date: April 22, 2024

We’re stoked for Challengers this week, so naturally we’re talking about one of our favorites in the Luca Guadagnino resume, 2016’s underdiscussed and hot as hell A Bigger Splash. Premiering at the 2015 Venice Film Festival and playing internationally in 2015, but opening late spring 2016 in the States, A Bigger Splash is a rock-and-roll-inflected tale of sex and ego … Continue reading "285 – A Bigger Splash"

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Yes, you are I'm sorry we didn't call But we're hiding out Not for me Meet Marianne and Paul Oh, I should have known you to bring a protozo in I'm a daughter It looks on your faces

When did we last do this How many years ago? You're pretty domestic I've been investigated for a rock star. Have I done anything to upset you? Do you like some? No, I don't smoke. That doesn't mean you don't want something.

Hello and welcome to the This Head Oscar Buzz podcast, the only podcast that's poisoned the local water supply, but in a gay-coded way. Every week on This Had Oscar Buzz, we'll be talking about a different movie that once upon a time had Lofty Academy Award aspirations, but for some reason or another, it all went wrong. The Oscar hopes died, and we're here to perform the autopsy. I am your host, Chris Fyle, and I'm here, as always, with my former lover, manager, producer, multi-hyphenate, who can't keep his clothes on around the pool. Joe Reed. Some of those words are true. Not all of them. I will be the most clothed person around the pool you've ever seen.

Last time I went to Palm Springs, I flirted with the ice. idea of getting a calf tan, just so I could be free and easy, but also covered up. And I think I'm going to try that again. I want to, I want to pull the trigger on that. Baby, I will buy you. I will buy you that. No. You've taken such good care of me. I'm going to go and find the most expensive caftan. I'm going to make you look like Diana Raw. Every once in a while, I'll go caftan shopping online, and then I'll find something that looks good. And then the description will just say moo-moo. And I'll be like, nope, I have to be, I have to move on.

on, so. I mean, sometimes... Sometimes they're the same thing, but still. Sometimes they're the same thing. Terminology matters. And I've seen that episode of The Simpsons, so I need to have a caftan. I need to be... Sometimes for caftans, you're paying way too much money for something that's basically

just a bolt of silk that's like... Well, right, or like with a little brocade on it or something like that. And you're just like, okay, well, now I'm Catherine Graham in the post. And so now I feel better. And that's fine. I don't think I would want silk. I think I would want something sort of flowy, but maybe not. Silt's a little too, I don't know, fancy for my taste.

I'm going to get you a turban to wear with it. No, I can't do a turban because, like, I do, well, I guess the, the, the, uh, caftan comes off if I'm going swimming anyway. You're already a headband, gay. Why not? I am a swimmer, though. Like, I am not a person who, like, I'll sit by, by the pool for a while. We'll talk about it.

There's a lot of this episode that's going to be about me, talking about pool side etiquette. But I am a get in the pool person. I don't understand. Do you ever see those photos of like gay pool parties, either in L.A. or on Fire Island or something like that? With not a single person in the pool. And everybody is in this like crowded ass perimeter around the pool

that's like shoulder to shoulder and not a single blessed souls in that pool. And I would be like the one person who's just like all to myself. Okay. And like literally just like living my life being the only person. person in the pool? First of all, pool parties, absolutely not. Pools are meant to be private with a small gathering. That's why I like

public pools, absolutely not. Never. Gross. I don't want to swim in everybody's sweat. I want to be swimming in the sweat of people that I'm like, I'm fine to swim in here. How do you feel about, because this is sort of this is going to be entering in my life in a way that I'm I've realized before that I should maybe stop being so specific about the people

in my life and like their circumstances because like it's too much information. to give away. But like, suffice it to say, I know somebody who is probably going to be moving into one of those apartment complexes with, not apartment complex, those sort of townhouse villages that are a single sort of like- Oh, that has like a community pool? Yes. How do you feel about that? Because I will be inviting myself over and will be going to swim. The general, my general thoughts are no, but I will say, I've been in a living circumstance where there was a community pool that no one ever used.

This is my hope. In that circumstance. This is my hope. This is my hope. Or that, like, because I keep sometimes, like, irregular hours, that I could be, like, give me a copy of your key. I'll just, like, come over and swim. They might, like, get mad.

Pretend that you live there and then. Yeah, maybe. Although I don't want to get, I don't want to get them in trouble. But still. All this to say, while everybody at the Airbnb is grooving out to not the stones, but I'm going to just say Ariana Grande. way to like completely kill my enthusiasm yeah joe is the Dakota Johnson floating off on their onesome I have no I'm going to say no and we'll get into it because she's swimming in

jorts she does not swim enough in this movie is what I will say there's a lot of this movie of Dakota Johnson like lying on like right next to the pool reading a book and I'm sorry but like couldn't be me um well Okay. Yes, you're right, but we also have to qualify. There is a lot of this movie of Dakota Johnson sitting next to some type of natural or unnatural body of water, but still soaked, but we never see her swimming. Oh, we'll also talk about that because, like, she does end this movie boarded on an airplane with wet hair. And I definitely want to talk about the aesthetic impact of that because it's either the most common in Europe because or places where they have, you know, semi-exterior airports. If you're sitting on an airplane, we've all, I believe, had the momentary thrill of sitting on an airplane

and the seat next to you is empty. Perhaps both seats next to you are empty, like living the dream, where you're like in an empty little row all to yourself, and you're like, one eye is on the clock being like, at some point they're going to shut this door, right? And one eye is on like the trickle of last-a-minute stragglers walking into the airplane and every person who comes on you sort of like evil eye them and

you're just like you don't do not don't you dare don't you dare and i can can you imagine the all right how would you feel in this case if you thought you had a seat next to you empty and then the person at the last minute who comes and sits in that seat has wet hair what what's going through your mind how are you people on airplanes are acting up these days so like i'm I don't know. What are your feelings? My thought is, I can stay in Italy for a few more days. I can say in Italy for a few more hours.

My luggage can go to New York, but I shall be saying. I can handle, instead of two layovers, I can handle three. Right, right, right. You will be liberating your carry-on and letting your checked baggage fly to America and getting off that plane. Are you saying that you would be saying the B-word you're not allowed to say on a plane? Oh, I don't think I could do that. I'd never be so bold. I couldn't do that.

But I would say, I'm sorry, I cannot sit next to this woman with wet hair. Please don't shut that door yet. I will be disembarking. I just couldn't trust it. I just couldn't trust the situation, particularly, like, I mean, Dakota Johnson is Hollywood, like, gorgeous and beautiful, but she also has that look on her face that I'm just like, I can't trust this at all. Particularly in this movie.

Well, particularly in this movie. Also, I mean, typical us starting with the very end of the movie. Not the very end of the movie, but the end of... I like that this has become a semi-regular feature of us just starting at the end of the movie. I appreciate it. That plane is not taking off, right? Like, this is the downpour situation happening, unless airfare is just fucking crazy over in Italy. Do you know how small a plane has to be to take off from that island as well?

Like, that plane is like, you could wind the propellers on that plane with, like, your hand you know what i mean oh it is crashing there's somebody on there's somebody on the tarmac who has like both hands and are spinning those propellers like the like the wheel at the showcase showdown on wheel of four or on uh the prices right like that's the degree of of small that this airplane is the colonial woman on the wing is like using her butter churn to like as a as a wind paddle the actual right brothers are on one one on each wing to tell To balance out the weight because, like, it's that delicate. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. God. With everything that's been going on with, like, parts of planes flying off these days, to have multiple airplane trips in my near future, I'm not happy about it. All of the shit that I see posted that's, you know, faulty airplanes. I'm like, nope, this is AI. I can choose to believe that this is doctored, and I, nope, nope.

This is the simulation. Can I tell you? Someone sent me a plain wing that had duct tape all over it. I was like, this, nope, choosing to believe that this is fake. This is AI. This is doctor. Nope. Nope.

I read something about the simulation the other day and literally I believed it. And then I, the next day, tried to remember what it was that I read. And I was like, I don't have a full grasp of this anymore. I no longer believe it. But like, while I was reading about it, like, they convinced me that we're in this, that We're in a simulation right now. So I'm one of those people. I'm highly suggestible.

Listener, we're here talking about a bigger splash. Imagine we go off immediately into a tangent on travel, or several tangents on travel, technically. Joe, I love this movie. I own this movie. I've seen it many times. Oh, this is only the second time. I always end up watching it around this time of year or two. Yeah.

Spring, where I'm like, I'm ready for summer. As I've become more and more of a summer person, I used to be very anti-summer. This has become kind of my go-to summer movie. And watching it this time, I was like, my God, I need a vacation. I would spend my entire life savings. Groundbreaking. Right. Let's go to Italy.

Yeah. I would spend my entire life savings to spend one day in that house and pool. I mean, you couldn't get me to go into town, though. Like, I'm not leaving that house. That is... The town was beautiful. Oh, the town was beautiful. But, like, I am very much a person where if I have found a gorgeous house to stay at

and I'm spending the money to stay at it, I'm getting, I'm ringing every bit of, of enjoyment out of that house. Yeah. Sure, sure, sure, sure. Well, like, in Palm Springs, you know, there's only so much. Well, there's things to do in Palm Springs. But if you've been before, there's only so much you almost want to do. in town? There's the Walk of Fame. There's the like three or four

gay bars that are clustered right next to each other. There's, I mean... Which are fun, but like... Which are fun at night. Yeah. Particularly because it does get chilly enough at night that you kind of don't always want to swim at night. Even though I'm very much a night swimming kind of a person. Especially at a night like hot tub.

Night hot tub is... Esther Williams here. No, Esther Williams was indoor swimming. Anyway. Yeah, indoor pools are gross. Oh, I want to go back. I want to be on vacation right now. Anyway, Bigger Splash is a movie that will make you want to go on vacation. It will make you want to.

I literally, my first note was like the appeal of the genuine hedonist because like it really is like, oh, this is a way to live. Just like have absolutely no regard and just like do what feels the best at any, at every moment. To put it bluntly and reductively, this movie is about how hot people are evil and how they wield their hotness to live in their own reality. Well, and it's also, it's also about narcissists and the power that they wield in any given situation. We always talk about sort of narcissists in a way that, like, I know you don't watch Vanderpump rules, but there's a whole thing about, like, everybody's calling Tom Sandoval narcissistic or a clinical narcissist. Which he is. Oh, 100%. He is.

But I think in pop culture, we have sort of turned a corner and sort of have sort of begun exclusively labeling people as narcissists who we find repulsive. And it's like, oh, but there's the other side of the coin of like the charismatic narcissist, the narcissist who is also like able to draw people into their orbit. And even though you look at them and you're just like this piece of work, but you cannot like, you cannot turn away. There is power in that. And I think that that's what you get in Ray Fines' character in this movie, for sure. Tilda's character, too. I mean, the visual language of this movie, and this is part of why I get so fascinated about it, and I feel like it's almost a difficult movie to talk about to the degree that I love it

and can just watch it entirely wrapped is just like beat to beat, cut to cut, shot to shot. so much of what Guadonino is doing is about the allure of the hot person, the allure of the famous person, the allure of the narcissist, and how easy it is to get wrapped up in it. And I think ultimately how much our culture forgives those people, even when they are explicitly bad people. Well, that's why I think the most interesting arc in this movie is Paul, the material, the Matthias Schoenert's character, because he's the character who provides the most resistance to that thing, and so much of the movie's arc is watching these other characters

try to provoke him, like, in less and less subtle terms. Watching Ray Fines and Dakota Johnson each individually try to be as provocative as possible, and she's trying to provoke him into sex, and he's trying to provoke him into confrontation, even though we also are told multiple times throughout this movie that, like, everybody acknowledges the fact that, like, Harry definitely wants to fuck Paul as much as, oh, not as much as he wants, Miriam, but like, at least is a significant blip on that radar. Well, this is a man who wants to fuck every one. Exactly.

That's exactly it. But that's also the appeal. But that's also the appeal of the charismatic hedonist, or charismatic narcissist, rather, who's also a hedonist. But so, and then the movie sort of turns. There are narcissists, there are hedonists, and there are people in this movie that are sometimes both. They're sometimes both.

But the movie turns on two moments where Paul may finally succumb to that provocation and where Paul definitely succumbs to that provocation. And it's, but Paul's behavior, Paul's instincts, Paul's self-justification is as bad as everybody else. I don't know if I would say anything is necessarily bad in this movie. Like, until the... He justifies, he can justify committing murder. Well, until that point.

Until that point, but I think everything up till then, I don't think I even put a value judgment on any of that. You know what I mean? Where it's just sort of like, they all seem to subscribe in some way or another to this, you know, understanding between all of them. And he's just less susceptible for a while to those provocations. And that's what drives Ray finds kind of crazy. And that's what sort of drives Ray finds to be as kind of bitchy to him as he is,

is because he's so used to being able to walk into a room and through like force of personality, get everybody to essentially go along with whatever he wants to do at all times. And Paul's the one person who that doesn't work on. and it drives him crazy. But I don't think I necessarily am subscribing to a, you know, Paul's just as bad as they are. Because, like, I don't know if, I don't know if I go, like, good or bad is the rubric here for me. Well, I mean, it's maybe not the ultimate point of the story, but I do think Paul also gets so much mileage of not saying, I'm so much better than you people, but thinking that he is morally better than these people. Oh, I don't know if I necessarily agree with that.

I don't know if I necessarily... I definitely do. At least that he thinks that about Ray Fines his character. I think he's... And, you know, they're certainly doing different behaviors, but he does maybe the two or three worst things in this movie. Sure. After being like...

And can justify doing it. After... Like, well, I was deceived into having sex with her. I just had had enough, so I killed him, you know? Well, but both of those things are true. He was definitely... provoked into both of those things. There's a whole, I mean, he was provoked, but he still murdered him.

He was, finger quotes, deceived, but, like, the evidence is there that this, that Coda Johnson's character is not who she says she is, and that she is indeed much younger than she pretends to be. I think you are, I think you are being unduly harsh on the Paul character. I think someone who's going around saying, you know I'm 22, right? You know I'm 22, right? is not of age. I mean, I guess, but she does keep saying she's 22.

Like, the repetition definitely. I never, it always feels like such a performance. Well, it is a performance. I mean, it is a performance. Dakota Johnson's incredible in this movie. Yeah. But her character is performing. I think you are stretching.

I think you're stretching there to find ways to do. demonize Paul. I think. Well, it's not about demonizing Paul or even demonizing her character. I think it's all of a piece with all these characters wanting to believe what they choose to believe throughout the whole movie. And, you know, I think that's possible Paul is choosing to believe that this is a young woman that is of age when she is not. Also, I am not fully convinced that they actually do have sex. Like that's, and I have reasons to talk, sort of aesthetic reasons and, and filmmaking reasons for that at some point. But we can talk about that maybe on the other side of the plot description. What we do know for sure is that Marianne and Harry are definitely, while they are, while those two are away, definitely having sex back at the house. So, well, they start to have sex. Yeah. But then they don't have sex. Okay. well if you are going to be if you're going to be glass half empty on on what paul does they literally stop fucking okay oh you think that they go and fuck again no no i'm just saying that like if we are if we are

reading these shades of gray no pun intended uh in in a less charitable way for the paul character i feel like it's it feels unsporting to be more charitable towards marianne at that same Well, they are consenting adults. But also, it's so out on Front Street how Harry is a monster throughout the whole movie. And I see, but this is how people like Harry get away with this kind of shit. Is everybody like, and this is also why people like Donald Trump get away with it. Is everybody like, you all knew what he, he never lied about it. He's always been.

But that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is the arc of the movie is about showing how. Marianne and Paul are also bad people. They're not bad people. Oh my God. They are bad people. They're not bad people.

No. No. There's a whole like migrant crisis going on around them that they're choosing not to believe, but then also exploit when it's convenient to them. Okay. They are bad people in the way that we're all bad people in that way. If you want to like go that direction. But like they're not bad people.

they're not bad people they pin it on some like vague migrant person that killed him when Paul killed him well yeah that's not great that was a good point and then the whole like final scene of the movie is showing how they get away with it because Marianne is famous yes and the cops have blinders on this beautiful famous person they love well the cops having blinders on beautiful famous people is not their fault I mean, but this is what the movie is about my man. Like, don't do that. Don't, don't condescend. It's fine. I'm not condescending. I'm saying that this is, this I think is what the movie is ultimately about. And I think Guadonino in the way that he shaped this movie, the visual experience of this movie, the like full, like the amount of sex that's in this movie and how like well it's all shot places the audience.

and that, I mean, I don't want to say rubs our faces in it, but, like, we in the audience are those police officers that allow them to get away because we love these hot, famous people. Yes, I think that's all true. I think that's, and I think we are being sort of implicated in that. I just, I just feel like to, to be so, I just, I just feel like the label of, you know, their bad people, I just think is. is so far outside of the realm of what this movie is saying. Like, it's, I think good and bad doesn't have anything to do with it in this movie. You think it's more just like the shades of narcissism than judgment. Yes.

I feel like there is, I think, I think, if you want to say that, like, the sort of repulsiveness of what Harry represents is, you know, that they, that they are more inclined to that than they want to believe. Sure, yeah. But, like, I don't think it's, it's, I don't, I don't think this is a morality play in any way. Not on these characters, no. I think it's more, if it's condemning anybody, I think it's condemning the audience while also being like, but isn't this fun? I, I think he, Guadonino kind of pulls off this real trick in this movie of, if not, condemning is probably, too hard of a word, but I'll just use that word for lack of the better option, of condemning

the audience, but justifying the experience that we do have with these people. You know, it's like the movie is all about the trap that he is making for us, you know? And this trap that fully just exists in our world, you know.

Yeah, but I also feel like it's just sort of this is a This is a story about sort of giving in to impulse and what that means and what that means to resist that, what that means to sort of deny yourself. I think the fact that, like, she can't speak, but so much of the movie is her sort of, like, finding ways to speak. Or ways or, like, excuses to, like, well, I have to speak here. Well, I have to whisper. well, I have to whatever. And by the end, she's uncontrollably, like, screaming in grief through this croaked voice or whatever.

When she's talking to Paul, it's, like, conspiratorily so that Harry doesn't hear them. Mm-hmm. But she also is very willing. She chips away at speaking with Harry. With Harry. Yes. And you could argue Harry is doing the chipping. Yes, he is.

Yeah. It is a two-way street with these two characters because, like, she also wants to speak with him. She wants to be conspiratorial in the way that she was with Paul. Yeah, yes. And I think we can sort of talk about, you know, it's up for debate how much she is drawn towards Harry on like a moment-to-moment basis versus like there's a, I read a plot description where it describes her as wanting to go back to Harry. And it's like, I don't think that's true. I don't read that into it at all. I think she enjoys sort of falling back into whatever sort of personal rhythms they have with each other.

Their attraction. It's not that she wants to be back with him. She just enjoys the experience of being with him. Yeah. You know, there's a push and a pull. Yeah. Anyway, Paul innocent, except for the murder, which he's not innocent of it. Also, I feel like, and like this is sometimes the joy of what we do here on this show,

I feel like we are the only people who have ever given this movie any debate whatsoever. I feel like this movie came and gone, came and went too quickly. I feel like when people talk about Guadonino, this movie almost never gets discussed. I think there's a pocket of people who really loved this movie, but it is a pocket. There's people who appreciate it, but I don't feel like this movie has really been unpacked as much as it deserves because I would say this is my favorite Guadonino. Oh, wow. Okay. I think this is a masterpiece. I've never quite considered ranking them.

It would be a tough, a tough task to rank them because I feel like... I have to see I Am Love again before I can rank them. Yeah, and I've never seen his two prior to I Am Love either. Yeah, I don't think his movies made prior to I Am Love, which you certainly never hear about here, state side. I don't think they've ever even been available. Yeah, well. That'd be a project to try and go watch those. I did watch the short that is on Mooby that he made for Valentino with Julianne Moore,

and it literally is just like a commercial for clothes. It's so fucking stupid. It's really, I mean, like, you almost can't pin it on him. It's like Valentino hired him to, like, advertise their clothes and call it a short film. And it literally ends with a bunch of women, most of whom you know by name or, face in a field like swaying while wearing clothes. And judge it against Palo Sorrentino's Bulgari commercial that we have enjoyed. Well, that is a masterpiece.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Best thing Palo Sorrentino's ever made. One million. Yeah, I can do a Palo Sorrentino ranking easily. The Bulgary commercial is number one with a bullet. Number one with a bullet. Absolutely, I agree. Yeah, yeah.

But, yeah, I don't know how I would rank Guadoninos because I like, Like all of them, I think, and I hated I Am Love when I first saw it, but I don't, I doubt that I would now. I definitely thought I Am Love was a little overrated, but I've, I've very much loved all of his movies since then. So, um, and this one's my favorite. Yeah, I mean, I, it would be, it would be tough. I'd have to really, really sit with it. This, Bones and All, and Susperia, like, how do you compare? those three movies to each other, you know what I mean?

This is why he's such an exciting director. And, like, we might possibly be getting two movies this year. Can't believe we made it a half hour into this episode without you gushing about challengers, which will be opening the week that this drops. I know, I'm so excited. I'm so excited. There was a, uh, it wasn't, I don't even know if you could call it a production still. It was like halfway between a production still and like a, a headshot can't

of Mike Faced from Mike Feist. Sweety. Sweety Mike Feist from this movie. And I literally, it's so close that all you can really see are like bare shoulders, but I was just like, ooh, bear shoulders, Mike Feist. Looks so incredibly alluring. And I'm just like, good God Luca Guadonino can photograph some beautiful people and make them look as beautiful as they've ever looked.

It's just a gift. and that Challenger's is also set in the world of tennis. It genuinely really does feel like it was made explicitly for me. I mean, I kind of dodged, for the most part, all of the stuff about challengers beyond tennis and threesomes. And I guess I kind of let the original trailer go in one year and out the other year, and then I've dodged everything since then. but I just saw a, like, TV spot for it, I think last night on Drag Race, maybe. Yeah.

And I was like, oh, this is going to be a little weirder than I thought it would be. Oh, yeah. It seemed like Challenger's was going to be, even though there's a sexual component there and how mainstream is anything with sex these days. Right. But it felt like it would be his closest to a mainstream or straightforward movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, it's about a tennis prodigy who injures herself and can't play tennis anymore.

So she decides to become a coach and coaches her, her ex. Her, wait, no, coaches her. She identifies as coach. She does identify as coach. Oh, my God. We're another movie we're trained in. Coach is also seemingly a kink for her, too. Yeah.

And it looks like there's different time frames at play in the movie. So we will certainly see. Yeah, very excited. Also, later this year is the adaptation of queer with Daniel Craig in it. And we don't know as much about that. Yeah, but very excited about that one as well. That's another one about a man on vacation, yes? Sure.

Listen, we love Guadino vacation. Like, I love... It's a bigger splash, too. We'll love it. Luca Guadino, filming Italy as a person who would... was born in Sicily, as through, like, as a vacation destination is just very interesting to me. Do you know what I mean? It's in Call Me By Your Name.

It's in a bigger splash. I'm trying to remember what the, what the expat factor is in I Am Love. Is she an English woman who's married to an Italian? She's a Russian. That was the big thing about Tilda's performance. Right. the campaign for that performances, she learned Italian with a Russian dialect. Madness.

This is why she's one of the greatest living here. But I do find that fascinating because he's somebody, he was born in Sicily. He moved, his father is Italian, his mother is Algerian. He moved to Ethiopia when he was a kid and lived there for, I want to say, maybe like 10 years and then left when the Ethiopian Civil War started. So he sort of has probably an interesting perspective on Italy, having not lived there through maybe a chunk of his formative years. But I think it's fascinating that this particular, he sort of calls, I Am Love, Bigger Splash, and Call Me By Your Name, this trilogy. I think it's the trilogy of desire or something like that. And in all of them, Italy is sort of experienced through the perspective of,

of people who are not native to the country, which I find really fascinating. Yeah, so excited to talk about us. Yeah. Well, this is his I Am Love follow-up. We are here talking about a bigger splash. Splush. Actually, Joe, before, let's not to delay the 60-second plot description any...

This movie's all about delaying pleasure. So let's do it. Delaying pleasure while giving you 15 other pleasures at the same time, though. This is a movie about many things, but this is also a movie about sunglasses. I do have to say one of the hottest things in this movie to me is that Paul and Marianne share sunglasses. Those sunglasses get passed around in this movie. I did not notice that. Now I'm going to want it next time I watch it, I'm going to pay attention.

It's like, this is just, it's like lust is in the air. It floats from person to person. Yeah. And the sunglasses are the indicators for it. Yes. Joe, we have some business to talk about. We do. Oh, yeah, business.

Before we even talk about the Patreon. Yeah, let's talk about business. Oh, I mean, it's going to loop into Patreon conversation. It is. Joe, this is the last episode before the May miniseries. It began with 2003. It began as a dream that we had several years. listeners through the journey of what the May miniseries have been and how we keep getting further

galaxy brained at each stage. And I swear to God, it had such humble beginnings. I think we were so new to the podcast and we thought, well, why don't we do a miniseries? And that sort of just became, well, we'll spend all of May doing the movies of 2003. 2003 being a particularly floppy year for the most buzzed titles. And then the next year came around. You've been very much the prime mover, especially at the beginning, about sort of making this a tradition. So year two was

Naomi Watts. We did Naomi Watts in May of 2020 was our Naomi miniseries. Naomi, another sort of oft mentioned the set Oscar buzz actress. In 2021, we did the films of focus features, which was a joy to do, our beloved focus features. In 2022, we kind of expanded the format a bit and talked about Entertainment Weekly cover movies from their seasonal movie previews, And we had some great episodes for that one.

We talked about the Pelican Brief and the Da Vinci Code and Notting Hill and some others. More often than not, we've had five episodes in May. May's been abundant for us. And then so last year, we really stepped up the ambition of it all and did 100 years, 100 snubs. and we presented our 100 most painful Oscar snubs as chosen by us. And so there we were. Including contributions from past guests as well, because more than 100, we can't do math, et cetera. Oh, right.

I forgot about that we can't do math. Yes. Did not forget about our lovely guests, of course. And then so this year, the... We're stepping up the ambition in a different way. The anxiety about how to sort of go beyond 100 snubs was not insignificant. And so we talked about this one for quite a while and ultimately landed on an idea that I think is very exciting for both of us. And so starting April, or sorry.

April 29th is going to be like the preamble. Our kickoff. So you'll still have something next Monday. but it's not going to be a standard episode. It's going to be table setting for the May miniseries. And then starting May 1st, we are going to be embarking on a journey through the 1970s. We have never, we've, what was our, what year was the Moby Dick episode we did with Emily Sanchez? The 50s.

It was in the 50s. So we had never done anything earlier than nuts in 1987. And then we did the Moby Dick episode because Emily, uh, uh, incepted all. of us and we all did Moby Dick. But we generally have not gone too far into the past. And we've sort of said before when people have asked, you know, why we don't, we tend to try and keep things within our sphere of experience, more or less, so that we have sort of more expertise to play with. But we thought... And you're talking about a more limited pool. The ecosystem of the Oscar

and distribution and all of that was so different. And we've kind of found this when, so anyway, we are our mini-series for May, we will be talking about the films, the this had Oscar-Bus films of the 1970s. And we're incredibly excited to talk 70s. But one of the things that we found when we were sort of researching and trying to come up with a lineup for this miniseries is the movies from the 70s that you remember, all got some kind of Oscar nomination and that like the Oscars were very instrumental I think in keeping those movies remembered and so you really do have to dig to like a deeper second level

for a lot of um to get into you know kind of a plethora of movies that were buzzed but were not rewarded because a lot of those movies that they missed out on Oscar nominations they missed out on box office. They missed on chances to, you know, catch on with audiences and... Chances for Oscar were already kind of written off in a lot of these cases, but we're still going to be satisfying the people that want us to talk about. Well, and we ended up with a really interesting lineup of movies, too. So here's the, here's the ambitious part, is we are going to be covering one film for every year of the 1970s. That is 10 movies through the 31 days in May. Eight of those movies will be covered right here on your main feed. Two of those movies are going to be covered on the Patreon this month. So for the full 1970 through 1979 experience, we are giving that experience to our valuable patrons. But if you are just a regular main feed listener, you will have plenty to chew on, trust me. And you will be having.

the full compliment of our roster of guests. I am deeply, deeply psyched about doing this. The Oscars of the 1970s are a fun little gift box that we have not opened yet on this podcast. So we... Speeches we love that we've maybe talked about before, but we can talk about more in-depth. We can talk about, you know, whatever research we've done regarding seasons as they're happening and campaigning as they're happening. Yeah, we're going to try our very best to sort of give a snapshot of what the Oscar conversation was in every given year. Obviously, there are

people who have researched for, you know, years writing books about stuff like this. So we won't be able to do that level of research, but we are going to do our level best to really dig into the Oscars of the 1970s and the Oscar buzzed movies of the 1970s. And, you know, the 70s for the Oscars is a time that I'm sure we're going to talk about. You know, many people consider the, not only the golden age of movies, but the golden age of the Oscars, too. I think the conventional wisdom around a lot of cinefiles and casual movie lovers is that the best picture winners come from the 70s.

It's a really good lineup of best picture winners. It's a very exciting decade overall. And I'm sure we'll have some debate about that a little bit, because I maybe have some feelings. We'll talk about it. I don't want to maybe get too bug down in decade bad. but we should definitely talk about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, I think that this is a good decade for us to try an experiment like this with a May miniseries

because there is, you know, while it's pushing past the limits of what we usually do, there are still a lot of resources and a lot of video, you know, as far as the ceremony being a big televised event, you know, there is a lot of availability from this era. Definitely. Definitely. So we're striking a balance. We are. And by balance, I do not mean our schedules. No, we are blasting out our schedules for the next several weeks to record these. This is the most in advance that will be recording. Yes. Yeah. Two. So. And recording out of order and we tend to not record out of order. So that'll also be an interesting little experiment. Right. Right. So we really, really hope this is exciting as exciting for you guys to contemplate. as it is for us to, at this point, contemplate. We haven't recorded anything, as you said. I think we can use that as our Patreon tease for the week.

We don't really have to do too much more. We don't want to burn off too much of the time. You know what you're going to get over there. $5 a month, cheesy gordita crunch and Baja Blast. You're getting an exception episode, which is to the rubric, but had nominations. We talk about a movie. And then excursions, we talk about ephemera, like EW movie previews, et cetera. Are you a reporter roundtables, et cetera?

Go to patreon.com slash this had oscarbus. One thing we do want to say with regards to the Patreon and looking forward is usually our episodes on the Patreon drop on the first and 15th of the month. This month, because we are doing trying to release the episodes in order of chronology through the 1970s, the Patreon episodes will be dropping later in the month than usual. So just an FYI, but we will let you know specifically. when we do our episode next week, when we lay out the schedule. But yes, just an FYI for that. For more, keep an eye out on our social feeds. We'll be, you know, clarifying dates, probably announcing guests.

Announcing guests. Yes, exactly. Et cetera. All right. Joe, a bigger splash. A Bigger Splash. Guadino, written by David Ketchjanich, with a story credit to a long page because the movie is loosely based on La Piscine. La Piscine, a movie that has long been at the top of my I Need to Catch Up to this list, partly because I love this movie so much, and I don't want to sound like a complete fraud, you know, crediting all of its ideas to Luca and David Kachanich's screenplay when it's like it could just. be pure adaptation, but

I still have not seen it. If you are a fan of that movie and you think that I am a plebeian, uh, apologies. I'd never heard of this movie, so who's the plebeian here? Um, but Alon de laun being sexy. There's a lot of those movies.

Is Lepi seen the name of the dish where you encased the fish in salt and... I believe that it translates to the swimming pool. Oh. Knowing that in Spanish, swimming pool is Well, there we go. I was fascinated by the salt encased fish in this movie. Yeah, that's all I want to eat in the world. Yeah, I want that. Yeah. Is that a Brancino? Do they call that? What's the Brancino? What's a Branzino? It's just the type of fish. So it might be a Branzino inside that salt. And they like stuff the fish with a bunch of peppers inside. You know.

Branzino tends to be sort of roasted whole. That's the sort of thing that I've, on a restaurant level, that's sort of how I characterize a Branzino is just like, oh, right, like you get the whole fucking fish head and all on your plate. Because this movie is not enough to have the sensory pleasures of hot people, rock and roll. If this movie had gone any further into food, it would have been too much. It has to give you food porn, too. It's like, you know, he wants you. to experience this movie with all of your nerve endings. I could tell you who I'd want to experience with all my nerve endings in this movie,

but we'll get into that later. The motion picture stars Tilda Swinton, we'll get into it, Ray Fines, Matia Shonardt, Dakota Johnson, and Aurora Clemall, giving a nice little cameo, not saying much, but being the nice lady, while all of this hedonism is going on. Yes. The motion picture premiered in competition at the 2015 Venice Film Festival, premiered internationally until it ultimately was released May 13th, 2016 in America.

Joe, be ready for a 60-second plot description, almost an hour into this. Yeah, yes, and this one will probably go long, so let's go. Let's do it. All right, then your 60-second plot description for a bigger splash start. Marianne is a rock star on extreme vocal rest vacationing on an island south of Sicily with her hot piece of a husband Paul only to have their nude fuck sabbatical

intruded upon by Marianne's ex-Herry and his heretofore unknown 22-year-old daughter Penelope. She's 22. She says she's 22. Harry, a famed music producer is a hedonist of the first order and takes over any room he's in. We learned that Harry and Paul were once collaborators and that Harry pushed Paul towards Marianne as their relationship was ending.

Now Harry sees Paul as safe and boring and is overtly interested in rekindling things with Marianne who can't speak above a croaking whisper and is incredibly stressful whenever she tries. Meanwhile, Penelope is constantly lurking around corners and sunning herself by the pool, all in various stages of undress, with a deliberately provocative leer at whomever she's addressing, including Paul, who she wants to fuck, Marianne, who she wants to emotionally destroy, but also wants to fuck kind of.

And Harry, who is, I again, say, her newly discovered biological father, whom she also wants to fuck or at least has zero interest in curbing his desire to fuck her. Paul is sincerely in love with Marianne and really had no time for Harry and Penelope's intrusions, though he eventually succumbs to Penelope's invitation to go hiking by the rocks, whereupon they maybe have off-camera sex, all while Harry and Marianne have very much the beginnings of penetrative sexual encounter back at the villa.

That night, Penelope decides she wants to leave, and she and Harry make plans to the part in the morning, only whoops Harry provokes Paul into a half-naked fight by the pool, and for once Paul's even keel tilts, and he ends up drowning Harry in the pool RIP to the world's horniest man. It seems for a second that the Italian authorities on the island are going to Amanda knocks Paul, particularly when Penelope turns out to be 17, and speaks

flu in Italian and has that snagletooth, fucked her husband grinned on her face. So Marianne slaps her and sends her back home for senior year or whatever. And it turns out that the island Polizia are more starstruck by Marianne than anything else. So they ask her for an autograph and let her and Paul go back to their lives. And God willing, they'll soon find the strength to fuck again because God would a waste if not. The end. 42 seconds. Okay. So I did think of something while you, to loop back to one of our points of

contention we didn't get into at the top of the episode because I was like, of course they fuck. And you do mention that it happens off screen, which obviously I realized, but the thought did occur to me in your sexy second plot description. There's so much sex

in this movie. Why would Luca Guadino choose to not show that sex scene? And to me, that's to troll us into having this debate of whether or not they did or did. But I would also bring up the fact that because him killing Harry in the pool is really filmed as finally Paul has been...

What's that? It's one take, too. It's crazy. Yeah. But it's, but it is, it is presented as finally Paul has been pushed past his, you know, break the breaking point of his placid sort of exterior. And I feel like if he's already had sex with penitents, by this point, he, that would have been the pushing him past. So I feel like, I feel like if you are going to present.

Narratively, sure, that makes sense. Do you know what I mean? Like, narratively? Yeah. I still think it happened and I feel like, I think something happened. But I don't know if like they, fuck. Sure. And like, I hear you on your justification and I think it's valid.

I still, for me, I think it still happened and I still think pushing Paul past his limits quotes. I'm like, but I'm also arguing that like, Paul isn't as saintly as he... What you're arguing is Dakota Johnson and Matthias Schoenertz in proximity to each other, how could they not have had sex? Because look at them. They're both so good in this movie.

They're both so good in this movie. Everybody, all four of these people. Dakota Johnson's smoking. Let's talk about it real quick. We got to talk about. You are the great arbiter of cinematic smoking in my mind. I mean, it's really good. The scene where she and shown arts are sort of at this spot overlooking the cliffs or whatever, the hills, and she offers him a cigarette, she says, do you want one?

And he says, oh, no, I don't smoke. And she says, that doesn't mean you don't want one, which is obviously part of her, like, she's the least subtle flirt ever, where she's like, I'm talking about my tits, you know what I mean? but it's still a great line that you know you also get that trade off between them she says my trouble is I fall in love with every pretty thing and his response is that sounds paralyzing he also absolutely explicitly he explicitly calls her out for trying to provoke him trying to provoke everybody like that's the thing is every single thing she does she's trying to get a reaction out of

Mary Ann, she's trying to sort of, I do feel like within the narrative of this movie, she is absolutely encouraging Harry's every horny thought towards her, or at least at the very, very most, like, benign, she is fascinated by his sexual interest in her. Like, she has, she makes no attempt to discourage it or. Well, and she also says something to this. the effect of, like, yeah, we should get an actual paternity test. I don't think that it is absolutely... She doesn't fully think he's her biological dad.

Yeah. And, like, the suggestion there, she's like, well, if he's not my dad, I'm gonna fuck him. Oh, yeah. Like, the second that that paternity report gets opened, the envelope, is maybe still, like, settling onto the bureau, and they are already... Yeah, and, well, Harry also brings it up, too. He's like, I don't want to fuck my daughter. Well, you know, she might not actually be my daughter, in which case I'm kind of keeping things.

Oh, but like, yeah. Plus it's also, plus it's also the most, he is somebody who revels in forcing a reaction out of people. And what is, the thing at karaoke, before he starts like, you know, rubbing up on her at karaoke, he makes a point to announce to the whole room that she's his daughter so that everybody in the room can be just as weirded out by this as Marianne and Paul are because he gets off on that too. He gets off on the reactions of other people to him doing something, like, outrageous or, you know, button-pushing. It's just past the line of tenderness into uncomfortable and not okay. Yeah, yes.

And it's like, it's more... He lives on that line. Yeah. Or, like, suggestively sexual than when he's doing the Francholi song with Tilda Swinton in front of the crowd. Well, right. Who it's like, if they could get away with fucking each other in front of this crowd, they absolutely would. But he also, one of the other things that he gets off on is he likes being the one

to provoke, to coax her into speaking more than she should. And it's something, because it's very interesting, he talks about one of their sort of most real moments is when he's asking her, what if you can never sing again, what will you do? And he has genuine concern for that. And you'd think if he has genuine concern for that, that he would be like extra special sure to make sure that she takes care of her voice now that she doesn't risk fucking it up. But that's not what he's ultimately interested. He wants to be the person to get her to go past this boundary that she has set for herself. And he

wants to get her to croak her way through this song on the mic because he asked her to. Because he, the sheer force of his magnetism, drew that out of her. Because that's what he wants. It's a tangible, like a very concrete, way to show the lure he has to be destructive and to consciously be destructive, to know that he is to like show that he

knows how destructive. And if you've ever been around a person who's like this who sort of, you know, knows how charismatic they are and gets a thrill out of sort of pulling you into doing something that maybe you wouldn't

normally do, because because they asked you to, like, this is that taken to, you know, obviously, like, you know, an extreme in this movie, several extremes in this movie. But, like, that is a very recognizable type of a person, I feel like, you know what I mean? To the point that, like, Ray Fines is, like, such a good embody, this performance is such a good embodiment of it. Yeah. Like, Ray Fines is very sexual. He is a sexual presence. He's basically, like, a walking libido in this movie.

But I don't know if I can say he's very sexy in this movie. Well, he has his, he, I think he powers through. I think there is something to the way he plays this character. Yeah, whether or not he's sexy is irrelevant, almost. I would have sex with him. Yes. Because of the sheer force of his personality. Or to just shut him the fuck up.

You know what I mean? Like one of the two. And, and there are people, there are definitely people like that. The thing about Ray Fines that's so incredible is there are movies you watch and you're like, I don't know how anybody could not find this man sexy. English Patient, this movie, sort of movies where it's just like, what a classically gorgeous and, you know, the sexual leading man. And then there are movies where it's just like, oh yeah, I don't see that at all.

Go watch him Bruges and tell me that you think Ray Fines is sexy. he's not even de-sexualizing himself in this movie he's just sort of playing the type of character that you're just like well he plays such a good villain too and like right rodded earth right he doesn't have to be in Voldemort makeup to make himself repulsive you know what I mean sometimes it's just like or not even repulsive like watch him as Voldemort like let's be clear God but like you watch him when he takes over as M in the Bond movies and it's just like oh yeah he's a he's a suit you know what I mean there's no sexual energy coming off of that guy whatsoever so he's he really does seem to be the kind of person who can flip it on and off like a light switch. Yeah. Which is amazing. He's perfect in this movie. It's absolutely...

Would you have sex with Mr. Gustav in the Grand Budapest Hotel? As Tilda Swinton does. If I'm his friend, yes. He has sex with all of his friends. He's also bisexual in that movie. Wait a second. The dovetailing between this movie and Grand Budapest Hotel, which were filmed pretty much back to back,

is kind of incredible in terms of his character being a charismatic bisexual in just two very different ways. Is he canonically bisexual in this movie, or is it just like everything would be resolved if Harry and Paul fucked in this movie? No, because I don't, does he mention having sex with men? He does. I mean, if he toured with the stones, he doesn't mention having sex with men, but both Tilda and Dakota, I think, mention that he has talked about having sex with men. Like, he's, he's, like, I think he's canonically bisexual. And he definitely, it is, like, understood by everybody that he definitely would have sex with Paul if the circumstances were correct.

I don't, like, I don't think he would deny that. He doesn't talk about it in the movie, but I don't think he would even deny that. If they had sex, night one of Harry's arrival. The whole movie's obviously. None of this would have happened. No. Everything would have been fine. Well, also because he would have spent the rest of the movie having sex.

with Matthias Shonard's, because why would you do anything else? Why would you... Right, right. Tilda would have the most vocal rest of anybody. She would sleep, the sleep of the just, and Dakota could read her little fucking book by the pool all day, and then, and everybody would be happy while Rafe and Mityas are railing each other in the upstairs bedroom. I did think about in the scenes of Dakota Johnson reading. I thought about, Was it M.J during the traitors, those like interstitials where you see them in their fake bedrooms and like MJ had a book and the tweet that went viral of her and someone just said, I know her ass is not reading. Or was it Echin Sue, maybe. It might have been Echin's Sue.

I thought about that. I was like, she is not reading. Do we see what book she's reading at any point in the movie? I'm sure we do. Speaking of book reading in this movie, I was so disturbed that the mud bath that Tilda and Matias go on, they take. books and like they're reading books while I was like you're ruining your book that's so upsetting like this was just hot where they're like wiping mud all over each other uh-huh uh-huh they're so like you said they're did you call it their fuck skershersh their fuck sabbatical yeah

they're fuck sabbatical like they're not even going to break the fuck sabbatical while they're in the mud yeah they're definitely having sex in this mud and then they're just sitting there with their books and like they're just ruining these beautiful books because they're reading it with their mud hands. The shot in the movie, and it's in the trailer, and it's like, it's, it's not subtle, but I love the unsubtletty of it, is after they get the phone call from Harry being like, we're landing, we're in the plane, we're landing. And all of a sudden, you see the two of them on this, this, whatever passes for a beach on this island, and then the shadow of the plane flies over them, and it's like, okay, Luca, I see what you did there, but also I fucking love that shot. It's so good. there's so many moments in this movie that are so incredible. The karaoke scene with him and with Harry and Marianne.

Every shot where Tilda Swinton is wearing sunglasses. Every shot where Tilda is wearing sunglasses. The scene where Tilda's in the kitchen and Dakota walks into the kitchen, I think not wearing bottoms, but she's sort of like pulling her shirt down. a little bit, but also, like, literally is just sort of, like, one leg sort of slunk up on the other and starts just staring at Marianne and, like, not answering her questions, even when Mary Ann- She's so hostile with Marianne the whole- She's so fucking hostile with her, and Marianne, it's the only character with whom Marianne is anything less than, like, confident with.

Like, she absolutely bulldozes through whatever kind of, you know, protected shell of success that Marianne has. It does be a little Gen Z in the olds because we're supposed to believe that Marianne is like notorious rock star. Given the songs that we hear that she's recording, debatable. My one call on with the story. I was trying to figure out exactly what kind of musical artist she is where she's playing stadiums. Well, I do think like the shitty song we hear her recording in the studio, it is effective to be like, well, she is past her prime. She's not making great music anymore. But like, we're supposed to believe that she is in the echelon of the stones. The Stones, Bowie, Patty Smith. I feel like there's a lot of that. Right, right. But like,

a 16-year-old is not going to be listening to her music. So like the hostility between the two of them. You know, Dakota Johnson being the only person that she, that Marianne ever spends even a second of time within this movie that is not reverential to her. Yeah. Can we talk about... Can we talk about the other, the two people who Harry invites over to the house in this movie and how much they compare to the house guests and call me by your name who are this like, and call me by your name, it's like a parade of, you know, characters in that movie. And in this movie, it's just sort of, um,

these two, one in a knee brace, and her daughter, niece, whatever, brain-dead, you know, person who she's offering up to Harry seemingly, like, yeah. Does Harry have sex with her? It's like, just like Harry doesn't really have, it's the one who probably is most overtly horny in the simplest terms for Harry, and it doesn't really seem like he goes for her. Well, he jumps in the pool when she's the only one in the pool. and he's sort of like, is like up in her face a little bit. So I think there's something implied there.

Penelope is not happy about that one, definitely. Penelope is definitely jealous and territorial of, of Harry in this movie. But also, like, she sets her sights on Paul both because Paul's super hot, but also because she just wants to, like, poke at Marianne, too, like. Sure. But, yeah, the scene where she's reading right next to the pool where, like, that book is going to get splashed on. Like, I think there is nothing quite so powerful as the person who, while people are splashing around in a pool, will read a book on a chaise or, or, you know,

and like on the ground is even more powerful. Very European. Whereas very much like, and I have definitely been that person and experienced that person from the other side, and both of which it's a very powerful thing to do. It is a power move, and I love it. Listeners, you're just imagining Joe sitting poolside reading Mrs. Dalloway. No, one year it was... Gay people with Margaritas. One year it was that book about The View. It's not anything good.

It's like, it's trash. I'm not reading Mrs. Dalloway. I am reading trash. Which is fine, by the way. Can we talk about without like being like, you know, to... external about things, the fact that this is a canonically old Dakota tooth movie. Oh. This is before she had her teeth done.

Oh, right. Yeah, she changed her gap. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Bring back the gap, Dakota. I am very much... I'm a Dakota. You know I love Dakota, and I have always loved Dakota. I genuinely am anti-veneers because I feel like it just makes your face look insane. at least for a while until your face

kind of like acclimates to them but for a while it just makes your face look insane we're used to seeing drag queens get the veneers yeah it makes their faces look at it's always when a drag queen gets veneers and then loses weight

they look increasingly well you're speaking of somebody specifically right now and I know what you're talking about but also yes who else got speaking of multiple people actually yeah

yes yes that's actually true um it just i don't know it throws me i know that like whatever their body their choice yada yada of course i don't i i i don't know man like people are just absolutely just i don't know i don't know it's it's paternalistic and it's probably dumb but also it's like the most gen x thing about me where it's like i will just be like what did you talk about people's plastic surgery yes and in a way where it's like and veneers aren't really plastic surgery It feels like less than Botox. It's not necessary dentistry.

You know what I mean? It's definitely elective, you know, procedures. Has Dakota been a blonde since this? Well, I mean, no, she's a redhead in Susperia. She's a redhead in Susperia. She's brunette in, well, let's go through Dakota's filmography real quick then. Why don't we? Yeah.

The first thing you ever saw Dakota Johnson in that you could remember was it the social network? Mm-hmm. I'm trying to think if she was in the social network before she was in Ben and Kate. She was on a Fox sitcom called Ben and Kate, where she and Nat Faxson played brother and sister, who she's a single mom. He moves in with her to help her take care of the kid and also because he's like a fuck-up. Lucy Punch plays the bartenderist at the bar that they frequent.

It was very likable. It was a very fun movie or a show. And it only lasted 16 episodes. But it was the first thing I'd ever seen, I'd ever seen Dakota Johnson in that I knew that her name was Dakota Johnson. You know what I mean? Like, in the social network, I absolutely like, oh, yeah, right. She was in the social network.

But, like, she was also in Beastly, which, why was I looking at Beastly? Oh, I, a Cinematrix. Did I tell you the Regina King Cinematrix story about Beast? Is she in Beasley? She's not. So we got a, we, we did Regina King on Cinematrix recently, and one very inadvertently really hard category was Regina King in a movie from 2010 to 2019, which normally, when I give a decades worth of range for an actor, I usually just set it and forget it and don't

bother checking because it's like, of course they have more than three movies in that range. Like, they're an actor. It's 10 years. And then I didn't realize that she had done almost exclusively television from that decade. And so it was really hard for people to find a movie that Regina King had made in that decade. So if you're trying to get more points because you're picking something that other people aren't picking. Well, especially that. Yes. Um, right, because if Wheel Street could talk was within that range. Um, right. But anyway, um, we got an email from somebody who said, and they were, again, very good-natured, especially good-natured in this case. And they said- The least good-natured people are the people who are just, you know,

objectively wrong. Even those people are objectively wrong in like kind of a good-natured way. It's, it's been very good, the feedback. But anyway, this person's like, I've seen Beastly. I know who's in Beastly. It's embarrassing how much I know who's in Beastly, but I do know. They're like, Regina King is definitely in Beastly. And it said she wasn't. And so I went and looked up, it's not in her IMDB. It's not in her TMDB, which is the one that we use. It's not the only place that I found it was on the Wikipedia for the movie, not on her Wikipedia, but on the Wikipedia for the movie.

And I'm like, that's weird that it would be in nothing else but this one. I literally, I rented Beastly on Amazon to go skim through it. I couldn't find her. I'm like, is this person confusing her with Lisa Gay-Hamilton? Because Lisa Gay-Hamilton is definitely in. But I'm like, that wouldn't make sense for her name to show up in the Wikipedia. Is she, like, in the background of a party scene, but like her actual scenes were cut or something? But you can see her clearly there?

No, I'm going to hold on because it's in. Okay, so this is what I found in, finally I did a Google search and found it in IMDB trivia for Beastly. It says Regina King was included in promotional material as part of the cast, but her scenes ultimately ended up on the cutting room floor. So she was included in promotional material, but her scenes were never in the movie. So I'm like, okay, either what we have here is somebody who saw the promotional material for Beasley in their mind inserted Regina King into the movie that they saw, or they just saw Regina King as part of the cast list on Wikipedia and are lying, or they saw a rough cut of Beasley remembering that. So, like, it's one of those three things. But anyway, Dakota Johnson is in Beastly, which I know of because I bought it, or I rented it and skim through it recent. Anywho, she's in...

Jump ahead for Dakota for the obvious big thing. Do you remember Dakota Johnson in 21 Jump Street? I don't remember that movie. I've seen it, but I don't remember any. Dakota Johnson and Rye Rye play two of the already... working in the Jump Street sort of, because the whole thing about Jump Street is that it's cops who are undercover

as high school students. And so Dakota Johnson and Rai Rai are already working some other high school when Jonah Hill and Channing Tannum start, and Dakota Johnson and Rye Rai are so, like, fucking mean to them and are just like, don't fuck this up for us.

It's very funny. And then I think nothing, you don't really hear too much about Dakota until they announced the cast for 50 Shades of Gray. And then it sort of like obviously explodes. So she's brunette in that, right? Mm-hmm.

And then all of a sudden she shows up, she shows up in Black Mass, and she's in How to Be Single with the Rebel Wilson and who's the other, Alison Brie? I remember loving everything about how to be single. that wasn't Rebel Wilson and Allison Brie. And I like Allison Brie, but the Allison Brie portion of that movie is not good. Really?

Yeah. In what way? But, like, you should see how to be single because Dakota is legit. Is she? Okay. All right. I'll check it out. I'll check it out.

And Rebel Wilson is Rebel Wilson. Right. Wait, what are your feelings on the 50 Shades movies? I only ever saw the first one. I saw every single one in theaters. And I was... Maybe I didn't see the first one in theaters. I definitely saw the first one in theaters.

But I was convinced to watch it because there were those people out there that were like, these movies are objectively bad. This lead actress is very good in it. The discourse around 50 Shades of Gray definitely moved a good portion of people to defend that movie because people were being kind of extra about how bad they thought it was. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I saw 50 Shades of Gray.

I do actually... Wait, before you continue... I've seen 50 Shades of Gray in theaters. Nick Davis and I saw it in Chicago together the night before the Oscars. I can't imagine a better way to see that movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We didn't love it. They're objectively bad, but this is the thing about Dakota. Dakota, I think it's a rap of being a bad actress, but she actually knows how to make bad

things functional because they're very poorly made movies. They're poorly shot, poorly edited. The scripts are horrible. She makes them watchable. She makes them passable. Like, you can sit and, and I think, like, she does play into even anything that's dumb. It's like she's not judging that it's dumb, but she plays the truth of the character in a way that I think is hard to do when you're doing something.

thing that's very dumb. Yeah. You know, there's no, like, ego about it. I remember really liking Marsha Gay-Harden in the promotional material that I saw for the... Slapping Kim Basinger. The second and third one. God, Kim Basinger.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. Kim Basinger was, like, Jamie Dornan's first, the person who got Jamie Dornan into S&M, right? Wasn't that her role? Right. Yeah.

When he's like underage or something. Between the first and... Was she also the person that got him that Chronicles of Riddick poster? Is it a gift? I don't know, but I would love that. Like you were a good sub today. Here's a poster. Yeah. Good job.

Between 50 shades of gray and 50 shades darker is when a bigger splash and how to be single come out. So I think in that interim, people who were looking to sort of stand Dakota Johnson, but not involve themselves in the 50 Shades of Grey movies. Those were that. That was the pocket of people who saw a bigger splash and were very enthused about Dakota. I was one of those people. Susperia and Bad Times at the El Royale come out in 2018. One of those movies is very good.

One of those movies is not very good. And some people are not right about which is which, I will say. I would argue a lot of people are not right about which is which. Bad Times at El Royale. Bad Times in a movie theater. The thing about Bad Times at the El Royale, it's not even like the worst movie I ever saw, but the gulf between what I wanted it to be

with that cast and that premise and what I got was like vast. It is one of... I found it pretty insufferable. I mean, Jeff Bridges, Cynthia Revo, Dakota Johnson, Kaylee Spaney, Lewis Pullman, Chris Hemsworth, just a really

tremendously talented cast. This is one of the movies that I mention when I talk about how John Hamm has never been good in a dramatic film, and I do think I still stand by that. I don't know if I have a good example of him being good in a dramatic. Dramatic film. Do not yell at us about brides. I know. Usually I say John Hamm sucks in movies, and then people are like, bridesmaids, and I'm like, right, right, right, okay, I have to double back on that. But anyway, John Hamm, a more limited actor than people think. Anyway, she's in a movie called Wounds in 2019 that

I bet you, I'm the only person who saw that movie. What's that? People hated that. I mean, it's not good. It's her and Army Hammer and Zazi Beats. That's right. In a Hulu horror movie. About bugs?

It's about bugs? Yes. Got it. It's about bugs. That's what I thought. Yeah. I've never seen the peanut butter falcon, but she's in that movie with Shia and John Hobbes.

That movie had an Oscar campaign behind it. Sure did. what else? Oh, did you ever see at the very beginning of pandemic the high note with Dakota Johnson and Tracy Ellis Ross? I liked that movie. It wasn't bad. It was pretty good.

It is, it's like very much like a mid-90s movie about a musician. And to me, that is like very soothing. Tracy Ellis Ross. It was very early pandemic. Tracy Ellis Ross resists playing her mother in the, that movie in a way I wish she had kind of like let go a little bit and just like just play your mom that's why they cast you I know it's maybe annoying that that's why they cast you but like just do it just give it to us um yeah yeah the songs are decent in that movie too yeah um I wonder if the director

has done anything Nisha Ganatra she just got the new freaky Friday secret there we go and she did late night late night thank you yes um in addition to television 2021 one, she's in The Lost Daughter. I fucking love her in that movie so much. She's kind of playing... Past man. She's also brunette in that, right? She's not blonde in that.

She's brunette in that. Like, Maggie Joan Hall said, saw her brunette hair, and she's like, you know, we're thinking of going even darker. She's very spiritually brunette in that movie. For a movie that I don't care for very much, I will absolutely be. watching it again, probably soon, because... What didn't you like about it?

All of the performances in that movie, I don't love Jesse Buckley as much in that, and I know that's the one that got you to like Jesse Buckley, I'm your friend who is not as enamored of Jesse Buckley as everybody else is. Right, right. Maybe it's women talking that you liked her in? Yes, more than you, yes. Or at least thought that she had a better Oscar potential than you did, and ultimately we're right about that, so there we go.

Degmara Dmitzic is the supporting performance. performance to talk about in Las Dada. Dugmarra and Dakota, I think the two of them together, I might have nominated them both. The scene of, like, there is absolutely nothing in their words, and they don't overplay it, too. There is nothing in their words that are actively, you know, weaponists between Degmara Domenchic and Olivia Coleman. But it's like, these are two, like, like, animalistic people. sizing each other up in the way of the animal kingdom. It's great.

And it is one of my favorite scenes in a movie from the Panthers. Never has a woman more weaponized her motherness than Doug Mara dementia. You want to call people mother? Call this lady mother. Literally pregnant on a beast, she is mom. Can I also say about this movie for as much as we justifiably like frontload the female performances in that movie? every major male performance in this movie is good. Ed Harris is really good.

Paul Meskell is really good. Sarzgard is really good. Oliver Jackson Cohen is really good. Like all four of those guys. Listen, we need to be excited about Maggie Gyllenhaal's career because the insight into our minds that she has in casting her own husband to be... It's like she looked at him and she was like, you know...

Professor Fuckboy. Just be hot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just be hot. And like, she knows that we need that. Yeah. I'm so excited for her. her Frankenstein, her bride of Frankenstein movie that she's making, like...

I'm maybe less excited, and maybe I would be more excited without the presence of Christian Bale. I like Christian Bale and things that are not directed by David O. Russell. I mean, also, Adam McKay. You know, that is true, but it feels like that's all we get from Christian Bale anymore. But that's why I'm excited that he's doing this. It's Maggie. Maybe it could be something else. Plus a net.

Maggie plus a net. Come on. I'm into it. Sure. I'm into it. Sure. Um, I feel like we both liked cha-cha real smooth at Sundance, and then you turned on me at some point and fell in with the majority who, who, uh... I think that Sundance was very, very bad, and it was the one thing I was like, yeah, that's fine. That's good. It's a very sweet movie. You were a little bit more than that's fine. Rao Casillo is really good in it. You were a little bit more than that's fine. I think when that movie opened at sea level and everybody was so mean about it and Manola Dargis like toured in your, asshole. I think you abandoned me a little. When you're watching like 30 movies and two of them are good in the span of a weekend, you know, the one that's passable becomes a little better. It's better than passable. I'm sorry. I think, I think I feel, I feel abandoned on the field of battle. Also in that same Sundance was the movie that still hasn't been released directed by Tignato. Oh, it's releasing

soon, I think. Is it? Yeah, sometimes. HBO Max bought it. before they became Max, and, like, it was genuinely one of the worst things I've seen at a festival. Yeah. Yeah. Dakota Johnson decides not, am I okay, but am I by? Let's figure it out. Speaking of movies that may or may not have been released, did Dadio get released or no? It's coming this summer.

Sony Classics has it for this. Okay. All right, very quickly, because we are already in 90 minutes into this, we got to have our Madam Webb conversation right now. Dakota Innocent. Well, sure. but Dakota, well, Dakota Innocent is better than Dakota good. I think we live in the Gulf in that movie.

I don't think... Dakota is never bad, is what I will say. I don't think she's actively bad. I do feel like she is actively disengaged, and while a lot of people are like, good, Marvel sucks. I'm like, yeah, but you do have to, like, be in the movie that you're in. It's Sony Marvel, though. It's not the same thing. Whatever.

You understand that people are cheering the demise of this movie because they cheering. the demise of Marvel and that's whatever um i do feel like you have to be in the movie that you're in and i feel like i think you can feel she's in the movie she's in but she's no she is if you put her in the top ten problems with that movie you are delusioned no she's not in the top ten problems of that movie but that's only because that movie has a lot of problems um that is a she's not in the top like 20 of that movie's problem It's, I really, really wanted to have fun with how bad it was, and it just would not allow me to do that, because I was mostly just mystified by like, what is going on? And like, what got cut out of this movie and what? I haven't seen a movie so actively fucked with since, like, Justice League. Right. And Justice League is maybe the most obviously fucked with movie. Yeah. And I am not saying that in any way to support Zach Snyder and his fans.

No, but it was definitely fucked. with um but it's like what is this frankenstein movie that's been which also then i can't tell whether my thing in this movie is i think sidney sweeney is bafflingly terrible in this movie and i wonder if the performance would be better like did all of her stuff get cut out good stuff cut out of this movie um i've said this before i'll say it again madam webb is the first feature length ruPaul's act RuPaul's drag race acting challenge. And Sidney Sweeney is lip-sinking. I was going to say, who's

lip-sinking, who gets the win, who's Sydney Sweeney and Tahar Rahim, period. Yeah, I feel bad because Tahar Rahim was, like, there were decisions made about, you know. There were behind the scenes shady decisions made

that were done to that man. But I also, like, sometimes you cast somebody and you set them up for failure. And it's not like I'm not supporting Tahrir. Abraham getting work, but aren't there movies that he, that could cast him that are better situated for him than a movie where he just can't do, didn't know the words, like, could not speak the words, and have to, we have to dub him entirely, like, he's Andy McDowell in Tarzan?

Or was he like, you can't just solve, this movie, like, it has the worst ADR I've seen in a very long time. It's horrendous. But, like, you can't solve everything with ADR. And I don't think, because of how obviously that movie is something going on, I'm like, was he not available to do not only ADR but his reshoots? Because it doesn't seem like a him problem. It seems like a them problem. It doesn't not seem like a him problem, though, also.

Like, I don't think he's fully innocent, as I don't feel like Dakota is fully innocent. But, like, I... um nobody nobody gets away nobody gets away clean from that web her web does TV screeners before for work where it's like not not anywhere ready or at least the screener they sent you is nowhere you're ready and like you get subtitles for like telling you what the ADR is going to be oh i recapped a season of the

expanse one time where the VFX wasn't ready and so we would get like full green screen in scenes and it would just be like a superscript on it being like this is what you're going to be seeing here when it does show up and I'm like well okay yes but I've gotten that before where it's like whole chunks of stuff is you know none of the ADR is ready and it's like that's what Madam Webb felt like let's move on from Madam Webb because we still have to talk about yeah let's talk about Tilda I mean I've I've I It was the, was it A.O. Scott and Manola Dargis that did the greatest living performers, and it was the top two is Denzel Washington and Isabelle Uper are the greatest living actors. I have said that that is my top two as well. Tilda's my number three of greatest living performers. And I've come to this realization in the past maybe five years. So should we talk about, I think when we did a previous Tilt episode, we've done Burn After Reading and one other. What's the other Tilda movie that we've done?

It's hard because she does so many different types of movies. Hold on. I literally just looked at it, though. Susperia. Oh, yes, Susperia. That's it. So this is our third. But something else, probably.

Burn after reading. And Susperia. Yeah. Yeah, but I think there might be something else. Anyway, let's keep moving. So let's talk about Tilda post-Oskar, though. I feel like that's a good sort of delineation point. So she wins the Oscar for Michael Clayton, somewhat surprising.

surprisingly, certainly thrillingly. I loved that she won. I loved her speech. I love that people... Very late season developed. I love that people who had never heard of her all of a sudden now have to, like, pay attention to her. And then very, immediately after

it, has this surge of visibility where she's in the Cohen Brothers Burn After Reading. She's in the curious case of Benjamin Button, in a supporting role, but still, in like, this movie that ends up getting a Bajillion Oscar nominations. She's not only in the Chronicles. Well, oh, it's Prince Caspian. So she had already been in

Lying the Witch and the Wardrobe. But she shows up briefly in Prince Caspian. And then the best of them all is the one, best performance of the mall, is the one that she, that hardly anybody knew about, which was, oh, that didn't come out until 2009. Julia doesn't come out until 2009, right? Right. Not a good movie, but what a... What a performance, though. What a bottle of whiskey of a performance. That, that, that But she's the only person alive who could have done that performance. And then I Am Love comes out in 2009 or just plays festivals in 2009? I think it just played festivals in 2009.

I'll look it up. But also, what a crazy feat that that movie was and that that performance was. Yeah. So I am. She's in the place that she can do this weird leap of a performance, not in any from a non-English-speaking director, Luca, obviously, but before Luca was globally famous, and still got Oscar buzz for that performance. Yes, came out, was at Venice in 2009, and then arrived in theaters in 2010. Did you ever see the Jim Jarmish movie, The Limits of Control?

No, that was not the Jarmish that I've seen from... No, we'll talk about that in a second. So again, she shows up in the Voyage of the Dawn Treader, the third Chronicles of Narnia movie. We need to talk about Kevin, was the movie that will definitely do an episode on at some point. That was one where, I think, a year ahead, because that book was pretty notable, and people knew what the subject matter was and looked at Lynn Ramsey as being this very exciting director, Morvern Collar, was such a thing, blah, blah, blah, blah. There was a lot of enthusiasm about Tilda getting nominated for Best Actress, for, and we need to talk about Kevin.

And it kind of persisted. She was basically in the conversation throughout, up until the nominations were announced. She got a Golden Globe nomination. I think she's tremendously good. I think a lot of people, even people who knew what the movie was about, watched that movie and walked away and were like, oh, that's a really a bummer of a movie. Like, Lynn Ramsey is not interested in finding, like, even, like, filmic things to, like, keep you preoccupied, whether it's just like, ooh, what's going to become of this or, like, what's, it's just like, no, we're just going to have you sit in the awfulness of this woman's circumstances for this entire movie. And I think it's kind of tremendous in that. But, like, I know I've bitched about, you were never really here before. Lynn Ramsey's, we never really hear about another movie that just sort of, like, mires you in bad feeling throughout.

And it's like, why would anybody want to watch this? So I guess I can understand if people have that same thought about we need to talk about Kevin. But, like, I think Tilda's tremendous in that movie. We need to talk about Kevin, I think, is more of a stronger artistic statement than you were never really here. But we'll save that discussion for whenever we do that movie. But as late developing as Tilda Swinton's Oscar win was for Michael Clayton,

that's as late developing, basically, that Tilda Swinton didn't get that nomination. Or maybe actually, she shows up for every precursor for that award and ones that you would not think she would show up for, like SAG, like Golden Globes. And it's like, well, I guess Oscar's going to do it too, and they don't. And it makes complete sense that the Oscars were. She got knobbed. She did get knobbed at the end. She got knobbed. She got knobbed. She also got slandered. She did get salandered, and she got knobbed, and she got Maryland in one fell swoop.

Yes. Yeah. What a weird best actress year, 2011. 2011, a bad Oscar year, as we've talked about, but best actress in particular is, like, cursed in certain ways, kind of, like, blessed in certain ways. Like, I do love that Rooney Mara got that nomination for Dragon Tattoo. I think Viola Davis is quite good in The Help, even though The Help is a problematic movie. Um, interesting year, real interesting year. Uh, Tilda joins...

Living forward with Tilda. Tilda joins the Wes Anderson band of Mary Pranksters in 2012 as social services in Moonrise Kingdom, a role that is one million percent diction. Like, it's, it's just, it's fully just addiction in that movie. Um, she's really good. Her and Bruce Willis have a couple of fun scenes together. Um, and then. then on the heels of this I mean what that what a run we need to talk about Kevin

moonrise kingdom followed by Jim Jarmish's only lovers left alive hot hot that's exactly the right first word first reactions to only lovers left alive is hot that's a hot fucking movie man like absolutely let's watch these vampires just sort of slink over each other sadly with a lot of melancholy like yeah these depressed alt-sex Vampires. Do shots of blood. Live in a decrepit Detroit townhouse, like, just gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous movie. I love it so much. Where do you stand on Snowpiercer? Certainly in terms of Tilda, positive to very positive. Tilda is kind of, I also mentioned recently we should do Snowpiercer.

you should save that for Mickey 17 whenever the fuck that opens um yeah tilda is going kind of big and wild in that movie she gets at least i think a critic's choice nomination maybe a sag nomination for it um yeah she definitely that's such an interesting movie especially the post production of it um some people really love that movie some people really hated it some people were happy that bong junho had a crossover there was a lot of wines Steen Company fuckery, I believe, with that movie. A lot. A lot. So there was a lot going on with Snowpiercer.

Of course, there was the, well, we'll talk about it when we do that movie, but the, you know, the babies tasted the best was a line. People talked about a lot. Grand Budapest Hotel we mentioned. It's Tilda and Rafe together. No, they did two movies back to back together, Grand Budapest Hotel and Bigger Splash. after bigger splash, she does train wreck with Judd Apatow. We mentioned that. It's very funny in it.

Oh, because we did the Tilda, um, uh, Patreon game. We did filmographies with Tilta. I was like, why do all these sound familiar? It's right. I know we are all out on Amy Schumer, but I do think train wreck is maybe the best Jet Apatow movie. Oh, I don't know if I would go that far, but I think there are things about it that are interesting, um, Tilda being one of them.

I still like the early Apatow stuff. I think 40-year-old versions are very good. I just think the like Apatow shagginess and just like being a mainstream comedy that has like very dumb mainstream comedy things. I just think that this one is the most believable. Do you remember who played her sister in Trenwick? Brie Larson. Bree Larson has that joke about how you don't marry the best sex of your life. What's that?

Brie Larson has the joke about how you don't marry the best sex of your life Yes, well, there you go She's quite fun in Hellsiezer, I will say. As twins, as twins. As twins, as both, as twins sort of representing the Hedda Hopper, Luella Parsons' dynamic and old, it's, it's, um, the, the blending of actual people who really existed and totally fictional

in Hail Caesar is really, really fun and a very good time. And what a lovely movie. What a really good movie. And then reuniting with Bongchunho, she stars as Maya Amon Lepage in Okja. Also, I should say- The Adult Races Trend Setter. Raife was also in Hell Caesar. So Raph and Tilda are secretly, like, joined at the hip for a few years right there.

Anyway, yes, Maya Amon Lepage in Okja, you fucking lunatic. Just because they upbrain. That's like... Adult braces. Because like the one like large character quirk that that character has who is just like not fully... But like very corporate evil. Like middle management corporate evil of like, this is someone who just thinks they're doing their job and they're working towards doing their job. But like your job is evil.

And, you know, there's not a lot of room for her to be like high choice, especially opposite. what Jake Gyllenhaal is doing. So she's like, let's just give her braces. For no, let's just, she's just going to have adult braces. Is it braces or buck teeth? She has braces. She has braces? Okay.

All right. So I had to watch Oakja again at some point. That'll be fun. We've done a whole episode on Susperia. Go back and listen to it. I do like three hours on Suspir. Yeah, and half of it was me yelling Blanc and you yelling, um, uh, Marcos. Marcos, yes.

Two dumb bitches staring at each other saying exactly. Seriously. What a great episode, though. Go back and listen to it. One of my favorites that we've ever done. I think we were both disappointed by Jim Jarmish's The Dead Don't Die, especially because the trailer was very funny. The trailer was very funny, and then it was too bad.

I know you don't like the personal history of David Copperfield. Do you like Tilda in it? I think she's especially good. Tilda's never bad, so probably. She's not in very much of it. I liked that movie. I liked her in it. This is where I let you talk about the souvenir movies for a while.

The souvenir and the Tovener, basically playing Joanna Hogg's mother. And then later in The Eternal Daughter doing the same thing. I don't like when people try to lump them into a trilogy because... Oh, are they not a trilogy? No, it's just people go that route because it's so obviously Tilda Swinton playing the... Joanna Hogg's mother, but I think Eternal Daughter is enough of its own thing. I still need to see Eternal Daughter.

I will at some point. Oh, my favorite movie of that year. I finally saw the souvenirs. Did you like them? Yes. Yes. Yes. They're their own thing.

I mean, like, I think it's easy to respect those movies, but the people who love them really. I could see them being like very much some people's shit and if that was the case then like that that's awesome two was very much my shit i mean i'm one of those people that i'm like two is two for me felt like kind of a retread of one but it has its own artistic flourishes in a way i think that make it stand apart yeah without my version of the souvenir movies are all of her west anderson performances um i love her in, wait.

This menagerie of weirdos and, uh... Talk about a caftan, too. That's the caftan that I want is her creamsicle-covered a tangerine caftan that she wears in the French dispatch. Um... Her slideshow that accidentally has a nude. Has a nude in it?

Yeah. What does she say? She's like, holy shit. She says her reaction to it's very funny. Yeah, I need to rewant. You saw the Pedro Motevar short that she's in. It's a lot better than the short that Pedro put out this past year. I like the human voice.

I know a lot of people were like, what is this piece of shit that all Moldova is doing? You know what? She couldn't display in a bigger splash, the human voice. Exactly. Did you watch the trailer for A Bigger Splash where there's a clip of her, the clip where she's asking Dakota Johnson, have I done something to offend you?

it's in regular Tilda voice Because I think they... Yeah, probably because they need... They need you to hear it. Yeah, in the trailer. Yeah, I thought it was interesting. Then your old pal Joe, and I don't mean me, made a movie in 2021, Director Joe.

Where's the Thakle? I'm pretty sure Memoria is the reason why I was like, yeah, Tilda is one of the greatest living performers ever. She would probably... I don't know if I picked her for my best actress. that year, but today of that year, I would say she's clearly best actress. For our listeners who maybe haven't seen the movie and me who was really impressed by the movie, but maybe can't quite remember what my takeaway was from it, what it's

like, thematically, what is where Setha Kool getting at with Memorial? The log line is basically that Tilda Swinton keeps hearing these bangs from basically like the core of the earth. Right. And I believe it's set in Columbia. She goes in search of a sister who was there. And ultimately, I think the movie, it's so experiential. You can't really get what the movie is doing until you sit with it and you sit with the rhythms of it and you feel like. the movie affecting like your like blood pressure basically like you the movie physically gets you

into a certain type of breathing rhythm and I ultimately think the movie is about a communion with the earth and mortality yeah um in a way that you can't that only sounds pretentious to describe but to experience is like this really profound thing and Tilda has to really kind of silently present this kind of seismic internal shift and journey within her own mortality that is just not of planet Earth and it's just really, really incredible

and I truly believe absolutely nobody else on the planet could give the performance that she gives in that movie. you sometimes think that Lydia Tar ends up in Memoria at the end of Tar. That she's conducting that orchestra somewhere in a scene that Tilda passes through in Memoria. Yeah, just the idea of sound as a force in the earth that can change you, shift you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that naturally lends itself to Lydia and Tar. 3,000 years of longing.

George Miller's 3,000 years of longing, a movie, I was determined, I was determined to love and could not do it, and I sort of was mad at myself. I really wanted to love it, and I don't know what's my problem, but I could not jive with it. Yeah, all the cool people seem to get that movie,

and I'm not among them. I know. Don't you hate that? I can sit through something, Memorial, and be like, yes, absolutely. Right. No problem here. And then sit through 3,000 years along,

and I'm like, well, that's fucking weird. Yeah. And not really have much to say about it. Thoughts on her voicing both a wood spright and death in Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio. Everybody already made the joke that, you know, she's playing herself, so I will not. I don't like that Pinocchio. I'm really impressed by that Pinocchio. I am, and I think Tilda is actually really good as the twin spirits,

essentially like life and death. I think it's very captivating. I think having that one and the Italian, the dark Italian Pinocchio, so close to each other, I was like, oh, wow. I don't have to mention the Disney Plus Robert Zemeckis one that apparently is a nightmare. Right, exactly. What a time. It falls victim, for me, particularly my lack of patience for all these Pinocchio movies, that it's just like, and, you know, it probably is the one that does the best of setting itself apart in doing its own thing while also being in the lore of that movie or of that story. But I just, I was bored.

We find ourselves currently in the middle of a mini... boom for Tilda Swinton in that she was, I think she's tremendous in her brief moments in Asteroid City. I think she's very funny in that. Well, you think when she shows up that it's going to be a retreat of the Moonrise Kingdom thing, where it's like she's not playing a character, she's playing an organization. Yes. You know, and it's not like it's, she's one of the surprising elements that she gets to be so human.

Yeah, she has a great scene with what's his face from eighth grade. Yeah. Yeah. And then she has another brief, but incredible performance in The Killer. Ended up on my supporting actress ballot. I think she's, the woman can down a flight of whiskeys like nobody's business. I want to do nothing but sit around and pound whiskey while telling butt sex jokes with Teddice. And she should have had some ice cream, is all I will say.

We'll never regret not, you'll never regret having ice cream when it comes to the end of it. What a perfect scene. Perfect scene. Just like, it's all my. too perfect to, you know, really credit it. It's like this little machine of a scene, but like she's tremendous in The Killer. Can I tell you how excited I am for this Joshua Oppenheimer movie that she's making? This movie sounds wild. Joshua Oppenheimer, the documentarian who made the act of killing and the look of silence, two of the most incredible documentaries that I've

seen in the last 15 years. By the time that this episode airs, this movie could very likely be among the can competition or the can line up in some way. It is Tilda Swinton, Michael Shannon, George Mackay, Moses Ingram, in a movie that is described as an apocalyptic musical in which a wealthy family lives in an underground bunker two decades after the end of the world, which they directly contributed to that end of the world. So like, I don't know what's going on, but I am seated. I am fully there for an apocalyptic musical starring Tilda Swinton.

like my good guess. Yes, please. I'll have another. She's also got a Weirisethical movie, perhaps, in the works. I had a friend who told me that she might have been misquoted in this article where she said she shot with Weirisothal or it was credited that she said that she filmed in eight months in Sri Lanka with Weirisothal. And another friend said, well, she was probably misquoted. So it may not have already filmed. But because of Director Joe's type of movies, you never really know if he shot it or not. Okay. It could still be in the works, et cetera. I see.

But she is currently shooting with Almodovar with Julianne Moore, and we can't get into it. I'm going to lose my, I will lose my absolute mind. I will be annoying. I will be insufferable when this movie comes out. I imagine that's a 2025? Yes. Yes. If he's shooting it right now, probably not.

He doesn't typically just churn things out. Can I say that's short last year. You never know. That was bad. One other thing I didn't mention here when we talked about Only Lovers Left Alive is her cameo on the TV show what we do in the shadows as her as her character. No, not as herself as her character. They call her Tilda Swinton. They called her Tilda, but she is a vampire.

like, canonically a vampire, as all of those other people are, who played vampires. That's right. Everybody's their actor name, but they are all canonically vampires. Did you see her in Problemista yet? No, have you? Yes. When did you see Problemista? Loved her performance as Amy Talben on meth.

Oh, right. Yes. No, it's not in Buffalo yet. I'm so fucking pissed. What a wonderful movie. And she's definitely giving a Tilda Swinton comedy performance in this movie. movie. She's fantastic. Oh, my God. I'm so excited. I'm so excited to see it. Um, yeah. I mean, Tilda Swinton, newsflash, one of the best. Um, absolutely love her. Not sure if you're

familiar, but Tilda Swinton is one of the greatest. Um, this movie, I feel like it's so, she's playing, you know, Shonarts has the arc, or we have an arc with that character. I think you know, she's doing big stuff, but because I think she has the most subtle character to play, it's easy to walk away from this movie not really talking about Marianne that much. Yeah. Or, you know, talking about some of the visual cues.

I mean, the clothes still to wears in this movie are insane. The coat dress that also Matia Shonarts goes down on her while she's wearing. Oh, yeah, that he unzips from the bottom. Yeah. Which that scene, that sex scene's also really hot because it's like, the idea of sex where you have to be quiet is usually hot,

but she physically has to be quiet. Paul and Marianne kiss in this movie, like they're trying to swallow each other's faces, which normally I wouldn't find hot, but it's the passion in that, like, that I find really incredible. I want to briefly touch on... It was her choice, apparently,

to add this element of, she has to be on vocal rest throughout the movie, which just shows like nobody's brain is like Tilda's. So Luca is apparently looking to re-edit this movie into a longer version called an even bigger splash. I'm glad you brought this up. And I think from what I have heard that a lot of the stuff that's going to go back in is stuff that pertains to her rock star career, which...

Oh, I don't like hearing that. I think that... I mean, I could be wrong, but I believe that is what I read. I tend to feel like a movie that is already two hours long is just about right, especially like this. I am maybe prepared to not like an even bigger splash more than a bigger splash. Splash, but also, like, I'll be watching it, for sure. One million.

I need, yes, please. Send me a Vimeo, Luca. I need to see this cut of this movie. This movie premiered at the Venice Film Festival and didn't win any prizes, even though it's a pretty shitty Venice Film Festival competition lineup. Have you looked at it? Yes, but also, let's talk about this jury. You could not have a more seriously minded.

Sure. Yeah, uh, jury, and then also Elizabeth Banks, you know, like, Quaron, Diane Kruger, Nouri Bilga-Sailon, Pavel Pavlocoski, Ho-Hoh-Hoh-Hashen, Lynn Ramsey, yeah. You know, I'm going to say probably, even though, like, I think there's serious ideas in this movie, maybe not the audience for this movie. Yeah, very true. But also, it's like, every movie on this lineup that I have seen, I think, is either outright bad, like the Danish girl, like Drake Doramas's equals, or I don't like it as much as other. Like other people definitely liked Anomalisa and Beasts of No Nation. I liked them both considerably less than other people did. So there's that.

I don't remember what Anamagoyans remember was supposed to be, but like it did not. Oh, that one was, I believe, one of the bombs. Remember is the one with Christopher Plummer. Also, someone that's famous, but, like, goes into the Garrett Headland Heap of, you can kind of confuse them very easily, has a full frontal nude scene in that movie, I thought. And remember? Yeah. Unless I'm remembering a different, Egoion.

This is the Christopher Plummer, Bruno Gans movie. I'm not seeing a Garrett Hemp. Not that movie. Forget I said that. Okay. The movie in this competition lineup that I would give the Golden Lion to is Laurie Anderson's heart of a dog. Really? Interesting. I've never seen it.

Probably not a movie I could watch right now. But just this really incredible and brief, I believe it's like 75 minutes long, and it's in the Criterion Collection, just kind of personal journalist, not journalistic, but like, what am I trying to say? It's a personal documentary, you know, about her life. Yes. Adam Goyan's films around that other one, there was The Captive, which was Ryan Reynolds and Scott Speedman in Snowy Niagara Falls, Ontario. And then on the other side of it was a movie called Guest of Honor with David Dooleth.

I'm maybe just totally conflating two very different movies. Perhaps. Not an exciting Venice, though. No. No, not an exciting Venice. The Laurie Anderson movie is great, but I would. give the golden lion to a bigger splash. No reservation. Did you see the movie that did win the golden lion from afar? I never saw that now. Yeah. Same. We should allow for the

possibility that it's really good, considering it won and neither one of us. Sure, sure, sure, but still. Um, all right, anything else we want to say. I know we sort of ran out of time to talk about, um, Matthias Shonarts. Hopefully when we do Rustin Bone, we'll talk about, uh, him a little bit more. I think he's had a really interesting career. We'll talk about those bones, honey. Roll them bones, baby. I think he's really good in this movie. He's very, very good in this movie. He's very, very, I think, like I said. In a role that, like, is so, with a lesser performer, seems so thankless. I think he's, you know, makes it as idiosyncratic and interesting and as much of an opposite of Ray Fines. Yes. In a lot of ways that are interesting. Mention briefly the category confusion with Ray Fines, though, because I think it's a genuinely borderline case. I could go either way with him in this movie. I feel

very strongly that he's a lead of this movie. You think so. I mean, a lot, because he... I think that's a function of his character type. I think because he's such a, you know, he takes over every room that he's in, I feel like it's a Hannibal Lecter kind of a deal.

Well, and people make the argument, well, he's not in the half hour of the, the last half hour of the movie, and it's like, okay, but he's still... Right. You're right that he's a Hannibal Lecter dominating presence in that you feel and think about him when he's not there, but it's a lead. I'm sorry. It's not even that to me. You think he and Tilda are the leads, and Matias and Dakota are the supporting? Yes, yes. I could understand. I could take that reading. I could also take the

reading that Tilda and Matias are the leads, and Raph and Dakota are supporting. Yeah. I could. This is an interesting year for Searchlight we should note if we're wrapping things up because Searchlight gets, starts the year off with picking up Birth of a Nation out of Sundance, which is its own ball of wax and clearly planning and like, you know, saying in the press that they are planning a, you know, full, like, robust campaign for this movie. and then all of the rape charges against Nate Parker make their way through the season. And they kind of, once the season is really starting in earnest, they do still bring Birth of a Nation to that TIF and, you know, to no fanfare, basically. I should say pursuant to Fines leader supporting, he didn't get nominated as a supporting actor at the Independent Spirit Awards in what I will consider a really good category sort of front track. I know you don't like Hell or High Water, but I love Ben Foster getting the nomination and the win when Jeff Bridges is the one who gets the nomination at the Oscars. I like the Independent Spirit Awards go in a different way there. If I'm remembering correctly, the performance I like in that movie is Pine, but Pine's the lead of the movie.

Oh, you Chris Pine people, always like Chris Pine the best. Lucas Hedges in Manchester by the Sea was nominated. Shile Abuff, who, like, we can talk about Shile Abuff. in the light of allegations, but I think he's very good in American Honey, and then Craig Robinson in Morris for America, which is one of those sort of Sundance flare-ups that it's nice that he got a nomination for something. He has very good in that movie. All right. Even more wildly, though, Tilda gets a best actress nomination from who, none other than our friends at the AARP movie for Grownups Awards. I can't imagine, like some of this lineup, yes, makes sense. She's nominated against Merrill Street for Flofo Joe and Sally Field. And hello, my name is Doris. This is what the movies for for grownups are for. Yes. But also nominated against Uper and L. Can't imagine the AARP, what screenings happened for the movies for grownups voters

where they were watching a bigger splash in L. I need to hear. Yeah, what was happening? What was going on? But then also, super cool. The winner is Annette Benning for 20th century women. Yes. Yes.

Absolutely. I can't say that Tilda would best Annette Benning as much. my best actress winner this year. Nothing. No one. Tilda is very firmly in my ballot for this movie. I'm sort of going through my notebook very quickly. Most of the things we talked about, the one thing that we didn't is the part where, well, first of all, the line when Thines and Shonauts are arguing by the pool before they really start fighting, when Shonauts calls them obscene.

And she's like, of course I'm obscene. We're all obscene. And we love each other anyway. That's sort of what, you know, what it's like to the movie gets to putting too fine of a point on its theme. I don't think it's too fine. I think it's just, I think it's just right, I think. Because everything in this movie, like, all of the things we're talking about, it's all just like in a very complex soup, you know, as a soft ingredients. Even like the stuff about the migrant crisis that's happening everywhere, I feel like is very subtly done.

It's a soft touch. I liked that. That thematic element in other movies is just so heavy-handed, usually. The scene, the part where Dakota Johnson is in the pool, this is one of the rare moments which she's in the pool. And she asks Paul, do you want to see me do a handstand, which is the most childish thing in the world? It's like, she's not an adult. Well, it's also, it's just sort of this. There are ways in which 20-somethings also act childish in this way, where it's like, look at me, look at me, look at me.

nobody's paying attention to me, somebody pay attention to me, look at me. And I love that so much of her provocations in this movie boil down to nobody's looking at me right now, and I would like somebody to be looking at me right now. And I thought that was also thoughts on St. Vincent covering Emotional Rescue Over the End credits. You don't need it. Keep the original because we didn't even talk about the emotional rescue scene, which like we have to give it its full space. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, one other thing I read as I was reading some reactions to this and about Guadonino's movies in general is all three of these movies in this desire trilogy, this one I Am Love and call me by your name, all have pivotal scenes in a pool. If somebody dies in a pool in the first two, and in the third one, they're both in the pool. There was a scene where one of of them. Is it Army Hammer who like rolls into the pool and sort of like does this sort of like Dead Man's Flop? One of them in that gross little fountain that they call a pool. I am not swimming in that. But that, but, but in that movie, you know, the pool, it represents something,

you know, non-sinister and non-fatal. And that movie, there's sort of the optimism of that movie is reflected in the pool scene. Whereas, you know, I think that's interesting. Yeah. I agree. All right. The emotional rescue scene, though. Yes. It is the kind of midpoint showstopper of Ray Fines and like a lot of the talk around Fines' performance hinged on the talk of this scene, which I think is kind of unfair to the performance, but it's also this big, massive scene that really, you know, when I talk about this movie about being the like appeal of evil hot people,

like this is the scene that really pulls anyone in who might be holding out because this crazy, weird, childish dancing that Ray Fines does to the Rolling Stones Emotional Rescue, which got to say, Luca, great pull. When people talk about the stones, that's not a song that gets pulled, but it's so perfect. It's so hot. It's so sexy. You can imagine all of these people fucking next to a pool listening to that song. But he does this, like, unhinged, wild.

dance where it's like all flailing limbs and it's shot so beautifully. If there's a scene where he looks sexy, being stupid, it's this scene. Well, this is the thing. His whole character type is summed up in this thing where from an objective, like if you could take a step back and look at it objectively, he looks like a fool. He looks like an old, you know, trying to be younger than he is, old fool, almost like the Rolling Stones kind of do it, you know. But, but in the moment, he's alluring and he's charismatic and magnetic and sexy, just as these old rock stars can be. You know what I mean? Like, I liked that whole, I liked that whole scene. I thought it was so good. The idea that he's, to use the annoying phrase, dancing like nobody's watching, but it is

absolutely a performance for everybody. He doesn't do anything like nobody's watching. Yeah. Uninhibited and unselfconscious, but that is absolutely with the full knowledge. that he is being viewed and judged and yeah all right uh great song all right we should move on to the i mdb game because we are would you like to describe the i mdb game sure every week we end our episodes with the i mdb game and we challenge each other with the name of an actor or an actress and try and guess the top four titles that i mdb says they are most known for if any of those titles are television voice only performances or non-acting credits we mentioned that up front after two wrong guesses we get the remaining titles releaseers as a clue

and if that is not enough it just becomes a free for all of hints how are we starting are you giving first are you guessing first what do you want to do okay so for you i went into the guadonino wheelhouse to find a performer one that i love i think the poet i've called her the poet laureate what did i say of uh oh god i pulled this out and then halfway through didn't get through it. The, God, that's going to bug me.

What did I call her? We can take a second. Oh, she's the poet laureate of haters. Chloe Seven-Ye. Oh, very good. Yes. Chloe Seven-Y. That clip of her that was going around where I forget what she was talking about in fashion,

but she was like, we need some other references. We need some other things. We're doing this too much. Immediately being film people grafted onto it. That press tour where she did that, and she also did the laundry list of things she doesn't like about L.A. and sort of cracked herself up was the most delightful thing. I don't like the terrain. I don't like the vegetation. I don't like the vegetation. It's so good. I don't like the people. There's two television shows. Okay. Sorry. We're doing Chloe 7, U. Two television shows. Is one of them Big Love?

Big Love, correct. Is one of them a season of American Horror Story? Incorrect. Okay. I'm going to put a pin in that. Her films, Boys Don't Cry. Correct, her Oscar nomination. And...

It's usually really unlikely we'll ever get another Chloe 7-Y Oscar nomination, but we deserve one. We do. We really do. We do. Okay. If it's not an American Horror. story, it still could be another Ryan Murphy, but what is the question?

Or is it like if these walls could talk to? Incorrect. So how do we do TV? The year it debuted. 2020. And then your other film year is 2019. Is it Ratchet? Is she in Ratchet? She might be in Ratchet, but that is incorrect. And then what's the movie? 2019.

Oh, 2019. So that's too late for like the neon demon, if she's even in that. She is not in the neon demon. Maybe I don't remember the kinds of modern movies. Maybe you're conflating her with Jenam alone. Bitch. First of all. They have to be in movies together, though, at least a couple.

By bitch, you're calling me a bitch. Yes, you. Yes. No. certainly not the other. Chloe 7-Ye 2020 I mean, this is giving it to you.

A TV show we have not mentioned in this episode, though, surprisingly, we should have mentioned it. Oh. I still need to watch it. A 2020 TV show with Dakota? No. With Tilda? No.

Oh, oh, oh, with Luca, it's, um, we are who we are. Correct. I think you'd really like that show. I keep, I, people have told me that, and I mean, we know I love Luca, so I do need to catch up to it. The people who didn't like that show were like, oh, this kid is so brady and annoying. And it's like, these are things that I think you would look right past. Like, um, I think you would be fine with it. I think you would enjoy it.

Movie 2019, we did mention this movie this episode. We did. We did. Okay. You probably forgot that she was in this movie, and I genuinely forgot she was in this movie. Is she an Isle of Dogs? Maybe, but not the right movie. God, she'd be so good in Wes Anderson movies.

She really would. 2019. I don't think she's been in one. The director that we talked about multiple movies. or at least mentioned them. Okay. We mentioned

We're a Setha Kool. We mentioned Lynn Ramsey. We mentioned Wes Anderson. We mentioned Um This movie shares a

co-star with a bigger splash. Can you name the co-star? Ray Fines No Tilda Swinton Tilda Swinton Correct What director did we talk

about Tilda Swinton Being in multiple movies from? Oh, Jarmish. The Dead Don't Die. The Dead... Yeah, I forgot that. She's in that. Why is the Dead Don't Die

showing up on people's eyes? Why is the Dead Don't Die showing up anywhere? No one likes that movie. Yeah, it's so weird. What an odd, what an odd, odd, odd known for for Chloe Sevenier. Well done. Well done, you bastard.

Who do you have for me? So one of the things that Ray Fines did in this triptych of Tilda Swinton movies that they did together was Hale Caesar. The best scene that Ray Fines is in in that movie, is the one that he shares with one Alden-Aren right. So why don't you what did it work so simple that you could give me the IMDB known for for Alden? Baby girl.

Aaron Reich. Alden and Aaron Reich. Um, okay. So because of solo, there are some gaps here. I do think Oppenheimer is on here because Oppenheimer showed up for somebody that I saw.

Oppenheimer is correct. Um, I wonder how many Oppenholmis have Oppenheimer and they're known for now. What a question. Solo is there? Correct. Two for two. What other Alde?

Is Hail Caesar there? He had to have gotten some. Three for three. Yes. Oh, if I get a perfect score on Alden, Aaron, Rick after we've had such a drought of perfect scores, but then also baby boy, Alden, who we love. I don't think that fair play is the thing that I should jump to, though he is like build above the title in that. But, and I don't think like Tetro is there,

the Coppola movie that he did, which I think is his debut. Could it be the, What was the movie you accused me of not liking Alden Aaron Rankin? Or saying I don't like Alden Aaron Rake because I don't liked this movie. Um, I mean, I'm not going to say anything to you because you're on a perfect score and I'm not going to help you out. Right, right, right, right. I'm thinking out loud, there could also be, um... I think we're talking about Christopher Abbott, though. Yeah, but I think you also said it was...

Okay. Alden. Um, oh, I don't want to do, is, it's not going to be Tetro. Because, like, all of the photos for Tetro are going to be Vincent Gallo. Um,

uh, fine, I'll say fair play. Not fair play. Yeah. Perfect score. Not a sheet. I just needed to say something. that I think it would be, then fine, I'll say Tetro.

No, not Tetro either. Yeah. Your year is 2013. Oh, wow. So, right after Tetro. Mm-hmm. Well, Tetro's 09. Oh.

You might be thinking of Twix, the other Coppola movie he does in 2011. Yeah, but I don't think all in Zare in that one. He's in both of them. Oh, wow. Never mind. So, So, this is well before solo, well before rules don't apply. I knew rules don't apply wouldn't be there, so I wasn't going to.

Though, I mean, he is above the title in that, but that was 2016. Yes. So, is this like a Sundance movie in 2013? Not a Sundance movie. He's not one of the billion people in 12 years of slave. Nope. But it's not an Oscar movie. Nope.

Um, but it's not a franchise movie. No. Because I believe Solo was the first time that he did that type of movie. Is it a horror movie? Elements, yeah. Because, yeah, I was trying to remember also. I thought he did like a slasher movie. Not a slasher.

Elements, so is it like a Shama-Lon type of horror movie? No. No. Elements of a horror movie. How interesting. That's almost more confusing. He's in a more horror, more generally horror movie in that same year.

Got it. But it's not this one. So is it like a thrill? Like a serial killer thriller? No, not that dark. Okay. Horror comedy. It's not sucker punch, is it?

No, he's not in sucker punch. It's not a comedy, but it's definitely lighter. It's like lighter than horror. Uh-huh. So like a Casper situation. Not that kitty. Yeah. Like a Lisa Frankenstein.

Yeah, not that winky. Not that much of a wink, but like, if Lisa Frankenstein were maybe played a little more straight. Okay. Uh, it's not like warm bodies. No. But like... But it's like warm bodies. What element is a horror is horror mixed with in warm bodies?

Zombies. Well, no, but like what genre element? Romantic comedy. Yes. So it's a romantic comedy about... Maybe not comedy, but like romance. Right. But with a horror element, like someone falls in love with a werewolf.

Yeah. Not a werewolf, but yeah, you're on the right track. A vampire. Not a vampire, but you're on the right track. A zombie. No. a mummy no not a creature a republican

I mean maybe given the area of the country this takes place in oh okay so it's an oh it's beautiful creatures yes it's beautiful creatures your beloved beautiful creatures which I still haven't seen oh Chris do yourself giving myself all types of homework this episode the cast in this movie just on the poster alone Alden Aaron Reich, Alice Engler, Jeremy Irons, Viola Davis, Emmy Rossum, Emma Thompson. It's amazing.

So wait, what is it if it's not zombies, monsters? Wiches. Blah, blah, blah. They're witches. Ah. Yeah. All of them witches. All of them witches, indeed.

You can tell by the fact that there are big giant spellbooks. Sure. Margot Martindale shows up with a full-ass bird on her head as a hat. It's so good. Emma Thompson's accent is absolutely insane. All right. All right. That's our episode.

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