This Had Oscar Buzz - 306 – Things You Can Tell Just By Looking At Her

Episode Date: August 26, 2024

A film with strong festival reviews that gets dumped to cable television because its commercial prospects appear slim? Sounds like something ripped from today’s cinema headlines, but it’s the case for this week’s film, Rodrigo Garcia’s Things You Can Tell Just By Looking At Her. Led by a prestigious cast of awards show mainstays, the film … Continue reading "306 – Things You Can Tell Just By Looking At Her"

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I have a hunted wife who's not going to like it. Hello and welcome to the This Had Oscar Buzz podcast, the only podcast radicalizing the locals in the name of Mike Lee. Every week on this had Oscar Buzz we'll be talking about a different movie that once upon a time had Lofty Academy Award aspirations, but for some reason or another, it all went wrong. The Oscar hopes died and we're here to perform the autopsy. I'm your host, Chris Fyle, and I'm here, as always, with the woman who lives in the parking lot that I smoke with, but also somehow, somehow need her to give me directions from the Bronx to Brooklyn, Jory. Oh, no. Have you read the prophecies of Nostradamus?

Who? Some guy. I went out with one somewhere. Were you not thinking about Emma Thompson and Angelson America? I wasn't. And now, of course. With all Honey, Holly Hunter's interactions with the woman who lives in the parking lot. Now I am.

No, I was too busy trying to figure out who was playing the woman in the parking lot. because for a second, I thought, how long was Agnes Moorhead alive? Because I thought I caught a little bit of a glimpse, but I guess not. Could you imagine if they didn't put Agnes Moorhead in the solo credits, but then didn't put her on the poster, but then she's not one of the faces on the poster? Right. Let's just start the episode. with the indignity done to Kathy Baker by this film's marketing team.

Okay, let's mention it. Let's mention it all. Yes. They leave her off of a fairly intensive poster. Like, this poster is inclusive. This is a very inclusive poster. And it also, there are five distinct vignettes, essentially, in this movie. Now, Amy Brennaman and Cameron Diaz share theirs. But Kathy Baker has her own, you know what I mean? Looking at this poster, you get the impression that all five of these women each get their own section, and that's it. And it truly, it is an insult. To Kathy Baker, who probably... You could even say it's an insult to Valeria Gallino who shares hers with Callista Flockhart.

though Colista Flockhart is probably the protagonist of that section, but like... Definitely. Also, if you look at this... You look at this lineup, with the exception of Holly Hunter, who does have an Oscar by this point, Kathy Baker is like the most awarded person on this lineup, right? She had won like three Emmys by this point and was, you know... Between this cast, we have an Oscar, six... Emmys and three globes at this point that the film is, you know, release slash intended

to be released. We'll get into it. So she, you could argue, is the most anointed actress among them. I would make that argument. I would definitely make that argument. So, yes, Kathy Baker rudely jettisoned from this poster, as also you could say, Valeria Galena. I mean, Valeria, third build and a best picture winner at this point. Like, let's just say that.

Let's just say that. And thrilled to see her because, like, as you say, with the poster, you know, you see, you figure you know who you're getting. And then all of a sudden surprise Valeria Galino, which is great. This movie also has surprise Gregory Hines. I didn't realize that we were going to be getting Gregory Hines, Roma Mafia. shows up at one point, and my face just lights up like a Christmas tree. We haven't seen Roma in one of our movies since maybe Double Jeopardy. I mean, she's like the Christmas morning surprise that, like, you think you're getting a CD, but you're actually getting a boombox.

Oh, it's true. You really are getting. It's just over-delivering. However, Roma Mafia playing basically a nurse who maybe tries to talk Holly Hunter out of getting an abortion? She doesn't not try to talk Holly Hunter out of getting an abortion. But you get the sense that it's not for like Christian moralist reasons. It's more just like, listen, I'm a woman. No, Roma mafia does not like slide her a pamphlet about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It's not like that. No, it's more just like, you know, like you're getting up there in years. You're maybe not going to have too many chances to have a baby. Are you sure that you want to like make this decision and it does come across this problem if any of you have a health care provider that is all

up in your business to the degree that roman mafia is like roma mafia basically says like half of my job is getting everybody's gossip you know like she's all up in like she shows up in this nursing room with holly hunter like girl what's the tea like that's that's the this is the health care basically to the point where i'm like are y'all friends like is this like are you like outside of the the office? Are you like pals? This felt very much like Rodrigo Garcia had collapsed the scene where Holly Hunter talks to a friend of hers and the scene where Holly Hunter goes to the doctor into one scene, except for the fact that

you get the sense that Holly Hunter's character in this segment doesn't have friends. You know what I mean? Sure. You know what I mean? Her best friend in this whole segment is the homeless woman bumming cigarettes from her in the parking lot, and who is played by an actress named, I guess, Penelope Allen, if I'm looking at the cast list correctly, who I think is one of those people who seems more familiar to me than maybe they actually are, because I don't think she's the person who I maybe think she looks like. But anyway, a great cast in this movie.

I mean, truly, there are no bad performances in this movie. No, and actually, quite a few really surprisingly good ones, and we'll get into it as we go along. But, like, there's a few performances in this movie where I'm like, if anybody had seen this movie, they would talk about them. You know what I mean? And they would probably continue to talk about them. But, like, there were female critics who championed this movie and kind of the ensemble at the time. There's still a piece up on Salon. It's like, how has this not been lost to whatever?

But Salon still has it up by Stephanie Zaharck, you know, being like, this movie's just okay, but the cast is really great. Yeah. Which I say, you're maybe being a little kind, Stephanie, because I thought that this movie was very, very dated, a little silly, and to the degree that a lot of Rodrigo Garcia movies can be like, shit. that's it like yes you're not long you're definitely not I think there are some really good performances in this movie I would agree with Stephanie Zaharick there um strung through a movie that I think is fine it's very I think it's I don't think it ever really dips below the line into being like cringy or embarrassing but I think maybe you do There's datedness that is maybe, you know, as this movie ages, will become more, not not fully embarrassing, not fully cringy. The way that the blind characters in this movie are always, like, looking down and slightly towards the right, like, you know, as like blind people would do.

Of course, played by, you know, actors who can see. Yeah. You know, in the 90s, you know, like the presentation. of like that disability is always just like a little like touched in the presentation you know um I agree that's also just no go ahead there is a late 90s aesthetic that I you know I was one of those people who was like whoa this is cool you know this late 90s storytelling thing of everything being interconnected yes yes to what end really with a lot of movies that did that, you know?

And of course, like, Magnolia was the one to, like, was the big, like, whammy, big finale to end them all. But there's a way that these stories are interconnected in a way that doesn't really serve anything other than to be part of a trend, you know? Like, the movie literally ends on a shot with Glenn Close sitting on a bar and the man sitting next to her at the bar is like

Holly Hunter's co-worker. Right. Who also went on a date with Cameron Diaz. So it's like, but it reminded me. So is this just like a really small like town within the valley? The San Fernando Valley connects us all. It

reminded me a little bit and partially it's because in the very early portion of the movie we find out that like Glenn Close is the abortionist who provides the abortion for Holly Hunter. It reminded me of if these walls could talk because of that, the HBO, another movie that HBO did, which was like separate stories that had a connection through line. They did two of those movies. I feel like Lifetime has since done several movies

that have been sort of this kind of thing of like short film. Five is not not this movie. Right, right. So I get what you're saying there in terms of like that kind of a trend. You're not, you're definitely not wrong. I think this is, I think it's buoyed by, if not like, career best performances, then like, for example, I think Cameron Diaz gives a performance in this movie that is at the very least unlike anything she does in the rest of her career. And I don't mean. Because she's a brunette. Yeah. No, and it's, and it kind of has, and it kind of has nothing to do with the fact that she's playing a blind person. Like, I almost like set that aside. It's the temperament of it. She never taps into that sort of Cameron Diazness, even in the best performances of her career. And we are both on the record as thinking she's a much better actress than she's ever really given credit for. All of those movies sort of tap into that kind of essential. big, bright, enthusiastic Cameron Diazness. And this doesn't at all. She is playing this, you know, almost dour person. But I think she does it in a way where it's like, oh, I wish she had done, taken a few more of these kinds of roles.

Because I find her very watchable while she's doing that. Or you wish that it was like a feature-length story about this character. That's kind of one of my other. complaints is I think that there could be more interest, more variety if any of these individual stories were a full movie, because, you know, I like small stories. You know, I especially like small stories about women, but there is a certain... That's the title of your movie of this kind is small stories about women. Yes, yes, yes. You know, I have, I, you bring up a source subject because that was my quibby show that ultimately, unfortunately, deep-sixth.

It's probably instructive to compare this movie to something like Kelly Rikart's certain women, though, which is made in a completely different era and has, I think, a completely different feel to it. This is also maybe where we can talk about the whole Rodrigo Garcia vibe, because his vibe to me is always a little undercooked because I think, I don't think it does this movie. any favors to compare it to something like certain women which really does have this depth of feeling this really unique humor

you know whereas this movie I don't know if it really has much of an arc to each of the individual stories let alone the whole movie even though there's elements of them that I think are so interesting like the tarot card scene

the like yeah you know We've maybe seen the Callista Flockhart-Valeraa-Galino portion of this movie and other things, but I actually felt like that was the one where that was the story that I most felt something watching it. So I would have watched that at FeatureLink. Yeah. As it turns out, this is only like the fourth Rodrigo Garcia movie I've ever seen. I've not seen Nine Lives, which seems like it's another movie of this type, which is lots of different name actors. Poster is just like literally a list of the entire cast.

And like a window with like curtains billowing. A lot of these same actors, actually, Kathy Baker, Amy Brennaman, Glenn Close, Stephen Delane's in this movie, Dakota Fanning, William Fickner, Lisa Gaye Hamilton, Holly Hunter, Jason Isaacs, Joe Montania, Ian McShane, Molly Parker, Mary Kay Place, Sydney Tamaya Poitier, Aidan Quinn, Miguel Sandoval, who's in this movie, of course, Amanda Seifred, Sissy Spac, Robin Wright Penn, so. And then Mother and Child is also... Which I have seen, and I liked, actually. I think Mother and Child's a good movie, but it's another movie. Mother and Child's the one that I've heard the best things about, but I don't think I've seen it. It's worth seeing. Some really good, again, really good performances.

I think Naomi Watts and Annette Benning are both very good. Samuel Jackson is very good. But that's another movie. Oh, Amy Brennam is in that one, too. That's right. That's another movie with, again, you know, interconnected storylines. And then Albert Knobbs, which I totally forget that he directed. And I imagine that's just like a favor to Glenn Close.

because that was, of course, Glenn Close's passion project for a very long time, and she had starred in, you know, multiple movies. Did you ever see Passengers, the one with Anne Hathaway and Patrick Wilson, that looks like it's just a thriller? It's like a horror thriller. It's like a ghost thriller of some kind,

and it was kind of dumped. I was going to say, it feels like it was like... It was bounced around the schedule a few times, I feel like also, if I'm not mistaken, if I'm thinking of the right movie. Never Saw Last Days in the Desert, which is his Jesus movie, where Ewan McGregor plays Jesus. And also maybe The Devil, he plays both.

I don't know. Sure. That sounds like something I don't want to watch. I did see, speaking of Glenn Close once again, four good days, because, of course, that was nominated for an Oscar, and I watched all the Oscar movies. Sometimes you don't see Rodrigo Garcia movies, and sometimes you do, or somehow you do. Which was it? somehow you do. This was the one with Glenn Close and Milakunus. Glenn Close is her mother. Milakunus is a drug addict. She needs four days of being clean for a drug test. I'm not a girl, not yet a womaning. Yes. And then Raymond and Ray, which played at the Toronto Film Festival in 2022, which is Ethan Hawke and Ewan McGregor are brothers. Sophia Konato's in that movie, I guess. Mary Belle Verdu from I too Mamma Tambien. I did not see. Love both of those. I did not see that movie. And it ended up, it was an Apple TV Plus movie. And I think it dropped on Apple shortly after that festival. So no one saw that movie, except for maybe like all of our dads have seen that movie because that's, that seems to be the prime audience for Apple products. You know, Apple like TV shows and movies. I think the more success that Rodrigo Garcia found was as a television.

director, where he directed episodes for a lot of really prominent TV shows. He directed an episode of The Sopranos. He directed for Six Feet Under and Carnival. He was a big, like, HBO director, directed the pilot for Big Love, directed the pilot for the ABC show Six Degrees, which is like, I'm pretty sure he was, if he wasn't intimately involved in that show, I guess it was a JJ Abrams show. But it's like, right up Rodrigo Garcia's, you know, Ali, in terms of, you know, again, interconnected characters. That was one of those post-lost shows

where it's like, what if we had 20 characters and they're all connected by something, but we don't necessarily know what. We're going to see their backstory. And then the big one for him was he directed maybe every episode of In Treatment, the HBO In Treatment, or at least like... I don't think he's...

on the reboots, though. Wait, hold on. Oh, is it the, the original version? Oh, okay. Okay. Are we sure? Yeah, he did the, um, was it Gabriel Byrne? Yeah, he did, yes, yeah, no, yeah, he did the HBO version, which is the Gabriel The thing about in treatment is there's like a billion episodes because it also had the, like,

we're going to show you five episodes a night and five, five. episodes a week or something. So it's an impossible. Right. So he directed a ton of episodes, but it still isn't even the majority because there were like dozens and dozens. But he directed a ton. But he was the creative force behind the show, if I'm remembering correctly. Yes. And I really liked, especially that first season of In Treatment, I thought was very, very good. And one like a couple Emmys, I know, Diane Weist won the Emmy for supporting actress that year. Um, really, really good. Anyway, um, yeah, a director whose name you see a lot.

I had no idea, by the way, that he's the son of Gabriel Garcia Marquez. Wild, right? Um, and you see actually in this movie, Cameron Diaz is reading 100 years of solitude, uh, in braille, uh, although she makes a joke that she's reading, um, met her from Mars women or from Venus, which is one of those things where it's like, oh, okay, like this movie. that's when this movie was... Also that, but it's also like, that's the sensibility of this movie is like somebody who could so disdainfully, the thought that she would be reading, men are from Mars, women, or from Venus. Right, right.

Also, wild that we're doing a Rodrigo Garcia movie before we've done the adaptation of love in the time of cholera. The thing about that is, it just sounds, like, here's the thing. This is where I'm going to come across as a real Philistine, and that is all I know about that book and that movie is the title. And it just doesn't sound appealing, right? Did you not see serendipity? Everybody loves that book.

I also have not seen serendipity. Oh, okay. The book features prominently in serendipity. No, all I know is the title of that, and it's just like love in the time of cholera. It's like, I neither want to watch, I know neither love nor cholera in my life. And I want to keep it that way. But love in the time of cholera is such a like quintessential, this had Oscar buzz, like, I can say the title to you and you know exactly what we do here, but we've never been an episode. So it's like, that's why I'm like, we should do that episode.

It's like another one that we should actually do. and I think we've been very afraid of doing since the beginning, which is The Legend of Bagger Vance. I think we've been very, very trepidacious of doing that movie, and I think we just got to bite the bullet at some point to do Bagger Vance. Sure, sure, sure, sure. If you are a former guest of ours and would like to guest on our The Legend of Bagger Vance episode, hit us up because we could use...

Maybe we need to be doing Legend of Bagger Vance like during the Masters or something. Like, that's what the Gulf thing is called, right? Yes, but you know, the Masters is usually, you know, when the Masters is it's in May, which is why we don't ever do Masters-themed episodes. We're busy. We're busy. Maybe unless the May miniseries is movies that we don't want to do. That's next year's May miniseries is kicking and screaming.

The films that Chris and Joe don't want to cover. I actually, I've always been much more inclined towards the Legend of Beggar vans than you. I mean, it'll be Charlie's Theron and costumes, so that sounds great. Got that? All right. Things you can tell just by looking at her, though. Quintessential movie that always existed as a title. Just as a title. Things to do in Denver when you're dead. It's the soft female version of things to do in Denver when you're dead. It is also the it's not quite. So here's the thing. It exists. Listen, we all exist in the context this year. It exists on a spectrum. a little bit away from love, loss, and what I wore, which is a little sort of more superficial, and obviously that was a play and not a film.

Things you can tell just by looking at her, it's kind of amazing that it's not the title of a play because it does sound like the title of a play. As I was texting you last night to rage things, like things you can tell just by looking at her likes, things you can tell just by looking at her credit score. things you can tell just by looking at her junk drawer. I think I took the cake for deranged text, though,

that I sent you at like the wee hours of last night, where I just sent you a photo of Callista Flockhart in this movie and a photo of Cameron Diaz in this movie. And I said, but... But he's gay. I mean, he's gay. Excuse me. He's blind. No one will get that joke because no one has seen this movie. But here we go.

Also, I think it's kind of a twist on one of the things that Cameron Diaz says to her police officer, sister Amy Brennaman, of like, you can tell something about a dead woman's life through her body, something to that extent. Well, every time in this movie that someone says something or you realize at some point. that there is a moment where someone can tell something just by looking at someone. I become Leonardo DiCaprio and once in time in Hollywood just pointing to the camera. And it happens so often. It happens when Callista Flockhart reads Glenn Close's tarot cards and she can tell everything about her just by looking at her. It happens during the medical examiner scene with Miguel Sandoval. It's like there are multiple points in this movie where people can tell something about a woman just by looking at.

Miguel Sandalval showing up was when I did the Leo DiCaprio thing because I was like, that guy. That guy. That's how you know this was produced in the late 90s, early 2000. Miguel Sandoval is here. Miguel Sandoval, I know from 8 billion things, but primarily one, the very beginning of Jurassic Park when he finds the mosquito in amber. And he says, like, get Mr. Hammond on the phone or something like that. All right, he goes, he wants Alan Grant. They'll never get him out of a month then.

Number two, he's in the Seinfeld episode where Kramer has the rooster called Little Jerry Seinfeld that gets into the cockfighting ring at the bodega. And then number three, he's in the West Wing playing a like, essentially like a super pack, whatever organizer in California who kind of shakes down the Bartlett administration in a scene with Connie Britton in it. It was very good. Anyway, um, love him in this movie. I mean, it's a really good cast, I will say. It's a really good cast. We'll get into all of it. The movie's fully elevated by the cast. I don't think there's much going on to it beyond the cast being really good in these minor situations. Largely minor situations. Okay, but like that is. The Flaccarat and Valeria Gallino are going through like death and suffering. That's the bulk of the movie, though. I think you, I, to sort of like hand wave a way that like, yeah, All the performances are great. Like, that's like most of the movie is just, like, actress is performing.

Yes, and naturally I love that, but I also wanted a little more story. And maybe it's also just like, this is a movie that has no shelf life today from the era that it's from. Like, Holly Hunter's story is about how she really doesn't have any friends and gets an abortion. And it's just like, but there was so much shit like that in the late 90s. It's true. That's the story. And yet, though, I think from my perspective in 2024, I look at that and I'm like,

that's probably one of the like five last really good movie roles Holly Hunter ever got. I mean... I don't know if I would say really good movie roles even, but like the five, the last five chances for her in a feature film to really, like, bite into something, to have like a meal. Well, and maybe that's what, like, this was... This was an aperitif, not a meal.

And when I want, when I want to watch actresses, actressing, I want the meal. I want the idiosyncrasies. And, like, you just kind of want in, if that's, like, just your simple story, you want to let, like, Holly Hunter do whatever idiosyncrasies she wants. And there's not really that. I think that's true. But I also feel like, and maybe this is me sort of using a weakness of the movie as a way to sort of give it a little bit of faint praise, which is that, like, I've seen that full-length movie, you know what I mean? The, like, you know, the woman who replaces love with, or connection with sex in her life.

You know, it's all this empty sex, and she cries on the street, ultimately, as a catharsis for everything. And yeah, yeah. Whereas in this, because it's so, you know, at the very least, I think I'm the inverse of that joke about, like, the food was terrible on such small portions. Or I'm just like, in this way, it's just like, I am. I appreciate the small portions of it because it's never long enough where I'm just like, right, I've seen this movie before. Let's get on with it. Whereas I can look at this movie and I can be like, huh, Callista Flockhart is quite good in this in a kind of, once again, a kind of role that she would never got at all in the rest of her career. And I'm like, why didn't anybody ever else just like let her play something like this?

Like, that'd be nice. That'd have been really good. Why did no one else let her play tarot lesbian? Listen, caregiving tarot lesbian. Well, when she shows up to Glenn Close's house wearing the most insane late 90s outfit. With, by the way, her hair styled in the way that the final season of Ali McBeal that began with Ali getting caught in a car wash and just she starts dancing in the car wash and she shows up to work with wet hair.

And I'm like, okay, I know exactly what year this movie was made in. All right, perfect. Right, right. But she shows up to Glenn Close's house and just, like, gives a terror reading. And I'm like, so that's just your job? You can just do that? No, she's filling in for her lover, who is Glenn Close's normal tarot reader. Wasn't that the whole thing that, like, normally it's someone else?

So that's just Valeria's job? Like, that's just your job? Yeah. Like, how do I get in on this? Also, Callista doesn't just, like, read. the cards to Glenn Close. She, like, reads Glenn Close. She's like, let's break out the book, and I'm just going to, from this card, tell you all

of your business, honey. Like, it is, I was like, damn, girl, maybe, maybe don't give her all of this. She's not the only character in this movie who reads someone for Phil. As I will mention in my plot description, once we get to it, so let's, uh, let's do it. Should we just get to it? We should. I feel like it's maybe early, but also the timing that we should normally be doing 60-second plot descriptions. So, listener, actually, no.

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She likes gay guys. She, um, she likes movies. She likes K. I'm just going to, here's what I'm going to tell you right now. I have a game for us this episode, and it is not entirely dissimilar from this little, like, the goofiness you're playing out, so I'm just going to say, uh, great, love it. Cut it. Cut it before you accidentally stumble into the game that I've created for us.

That's not quite yet. That's coming soon. And as the clue that you forced my hand into being for the Twitter subscribers into the guessing game, things you can tell just by looking at her. I'm surprised more people didn't catch it. And I think it's mostly because people don't know what this movie is. Or people of memory holds it. Things you can tell by looking at all.

This poster was up at my movie theater after, like, the Showtime announcement had been made, kind of like how the Adam Jones poster was up, a different movie theater that I went to while Burnt was in theater. We're definitely going to get into that, because that's kind of the most interesting thing about this movie, which is it ultimately never got a theatrical release because MGM changed plans and dumped it on to Showtime after it, like, won a prize at the Cannes Film Festival, which is sort of puts it in league with, like, the movie The Tale that was directed by. I want to say Jennifer Kent, but it's not Jennifer Kent. It's, I think it might be Jennifer Kent.

From the Babadook? Oh, no, no. It's something like, it is something like that. I have to look it up because that will drive me crazy. Yeah, look that up. Jennifer Fox. Fox. Thank you.

Okay. I knew it was something like that. I knew it was a one syllable last name. Okay, anyway. But yeah, we'll definitely get into the ins and outs of that. Showtime in the year 2001, which I do want to talk about. Let's get into the plot description then. Listener, you are here.

listening to things you can tell just by looking uh-huh written and directed by Rodrigo Garcia starring Glenn Close Callista Flockhart Holly Hunter Kathy Baker Cameron Diaz Amy Brennaman Valeria Gallino Gregory Hines Danny Woodburn and the aforementioned Queen of Culture Roma Mafia motion picture premiered at the Sundance Film Festival in the year 2000. Note how in our American Psycho episode, I almost stumbled into mentioning this. And then I was like, uh, wait, maybe I should not say that title. Um, uh, also played in Uncertain regard at can in 2000. We'll talk about it. And then

MGM sold it to Showtime where it premiered March 11th, 2001. Joe. Yes. Are you ready to take 60 seconds to tell us all the things that you can tell just by looking at her. Yes. All right, then your 60-second plot description for things you can tell just by looking at her starts now. We open on police detective Amy Brennaman, called to an apartment where an unidentified woman lies dead in her bed, and we cut to five loosely interconnected stories of women in the San Fernando Valley.

Glenn Close, and her haircut from South Pacific, plays a doctor who's caring for her elderly and uncommunicative mother, and whose loneliness is readily apparent to Callista Flockhart, who comes over to give Glenn a taro reading. Vignette 2 starts Holly Hunter as a bank manager who's carrying on a affair with a Mary Gregory Hines, gets unhappily pregnant with his baby, and gets read repeatedly for filth by the homeless woman bumming smokes off her on the bank's parking lot. Just for funsies, she has sex with one of her subordinates at work before ultimately going for an abortion provided by Dr. Glenn Close. Vignette 3 stars Kathy Baker as an ultra-attentive

single mother who becomes curious about the little person who moves in across the street from her played by Mickey from Seinfeld. Her crush on Mickey couldn't come at a better time since her teenage kid be fucking now, and it's probably time she stops smelling his mouth all the time. Vignette number four reunites us with Callista Flokard, who's part of Valeria Galena. was dying of cancer, and it's all quite sad. The final vignette brings us back to Detective Amy Brennaman, who it turns out went to high school with a deceased woman, who it turns out killed herself, though.

It's a mystery as to why. Amy is lonely if you're catching onto a theme, and she lives with her blind and equally lonely sister, played by Cameron Diaz, who goes on a date with a guy from the bank who Holly Hunter fucked, and she and the bank guy have sex, but then he avoids her when they pass in each other the next day, and he ends up in a bar letting Glenn close the cigarette, and Amy Branneman goes on a date with a medical examiner

who examined the dad in the man to woman's body and told Amy that there were only certain things he could tell just by looking at her. 20 seconds over. All right, you know, I'll take it. That's basically the whole of everything that happens in the movie. Except, okay, let's talk about Kathy Baker because we've mentioned maybe Kathy Baker the least in terms of talking about the cast. Yes. Other than the injustice that she is not also on the poster, even though she gets her own story in this.

We should also say that one of the, like, year 2,000 markers of this is that Noah Fleiss placed her son, because Noah Fleiss was in, like, every teen role in, and like, that's, I remember him being in, he was in the Laramie Project. He was in one of the Todd Salon's movies. I want to say storytelling. Welcome to the dollhouse. No, I think he would have been too young. Yes, he was in storytelling. He was in storytelling, things you can tell just by going ahead of the Laramie Project. Those are the three things that are.

Oh, and Brick. He's in Brick, of course. He's the antagonist in Brick. He's the Thug guy and Brick. So, yes. Early 2000s, you're dealing with Noah Flies. I mean, like, it's single mother, teenage son in a way that felt kind of natural. But then there's, like, this edge to the scene of, like, to these scenes that's like, does Kathy Baker want to fuck her son?

Am I about to see something I don't want to see? There is a through line through all of these, obviously, that, like, all of these women are lonely in some way, except for Callista Flockhart, who's, like, scared about how she's. going to soon be lonely because her partner. Isolation, et cetera. Yes. So that's obviously the very, like, you know, clear theme and through line. And I think that loneliness in Kathy Baker sort of presents itself as, like, you are, you know, sublimating other things for the lack of love and connection in your life. And she's overly, I don't want to say, like, I don't want to demonize it because, like, she's not, like, villainous about it.

But she's just like. The son is at an age where you kind of have to break those natural attachments of, like, parent and child. She hasn't quite figured out that, like, at this teenage age, it is now weird to, like, be that close to his face. You know what I mean? Like, it's that kind of a thing. And it's just that she's lonely. And it's, I'm glad that she met Mickey from Seinfeld, who moved in across the street. And I think that's a sweet, you know.

meat cute or whatever. There's really nothing more to it than that. It's probably the least substantial of all of the vignettes in terms of like what actually happens. She gives him a ride home. She, like, is kind of snooping around his house and spots him in repose in his own home. And, you know, and she smells her husband, her hurts her. And see, that's what I've doing. She smells her son's mouth a couple of times. There's a decent amount of women spying on naked men in this movie. There is, in fact. You see Matt Craven's butt a couple of times.

You do. Matt Craven, who is the guy from the bank who I mentioned in the plot description. Who Holly Hunter also asks early on, she's like, do you think men have a problem with me being the boss here? Do you think they have sexual fantasies about me? Yeah, she's lined up in. shouldn't be asking these questions. But it's because the homeless lady is the one who put the thought in her head of like, they're all probably jack it off when you tell them what to do, you know, anyway. Yeah. I mean, I will say for these, for this to not really move the

dial for me in a narrative way, in like these stories that it's like, I like small stories and even this needs a little bit more oomph behind it. At least all of these stories are giving these women their dignity in a way that, you know, maybe, especially independent filmmaking at the time, was not great at doing. Yeah. Or had moved away from, actually. Yeah. So, like, there is credit due to this movie for that.

And, like, it also helps that they're all given really strong performances. And, again, this is the era of the vagina monologue. and, you know, the, you know, these sort of, we're just going to gather a bunch of women in a play or a movie that will have a very limited appeal, but will really strongly appeal to the people that we're sort of targeting it to, and, you know, women telling their own stories kind of thing, which is kind of funny that it comes from writer-director, Rodrigo Garcia, who then, like, would kind of make a career out of, making a lot of these movies like this. So, um, we imagine Rodrigo Garcia was at the Women's March in 2017, right? Like pussy hat and, and all.

Yes. Yeah. Who do we think is best in the movie? Did we kind of already say Colista Flockhart? I think Callista Flockhart is pretty tremendous in this week. I mean, she's pretty great. Holly Hunter is great too, but like Holly Hunter is playing to her, to her level.

You know what I mean? Like, Holly Hunter has been this great. And I would say even greater in other things. Whereas, like, this is the best I've ever seen out of Colista Flockhart. Yeah, yeah, I would agree. I would also, well, Calista Flockhart's also doing, like, theater work now. That's apparently really great, like, I've heard great things about her Martha. She did, who's afraid of Virginia Woolf, which it just seems insane that she's not too young to play Martha, but she's not. And I will say, I enjoyed her as Lee Reds will in Capote v. the Swan.

I thought she was the best of the swans. I liked her a lot. She was really good. Or, no, wait, she was, no, she was not the best of them to me. I thought she was pretty good. Who was your best? Oh, Chloe. I thought Chloe was great.

I also thought Diane Lane was great. Diane Lane gets the biggest role. I just also didn't like that show. I think DeMee could have been the best one. She's just not in it enough. She's not in. Yeah. Hardly any.

Yeah. Where were we going? Callista Flockhart. Yes. Calista Flockard is great. I would also say, you know, for the one who gets maybe the most like Primo spot in the marketing of the movie, Glenn Close is kind of jettisoned out of this movie.

She's not in it much. And by the time you get to. She is, but you sort of forget her by the time you're into the rest of the movie because she's first. She's really kind of just like the person who keeps showing. up places in a way that I'm like, okay, well, but none of this is really all that interesting. Yeah. Like, oh, so she's Holly Hunter's abortionist? Okay. Right. She's at the bar. Okay. Right.

But I do think that tarot scene, you know, I think that's putting the two best performances together in the movie. And I think also Glenn Close is really giving a lot by doing very little in that scene in a way that I don't always think is her choice that she makes in a lot of movies, you know, by minimalism. Right. But I think she's really incredible here. I will also say that I like Amy Brennan and in this movie a lot. I think this movie is one of those things where if I were ever in my life to encounter somebody

who had seen this movie, which would be, knock me over with a feather. But I would be like, if you're in. By intrigued by what Amy Brennaman is doing in this movie, you have to watch the leftovers, because this feels like a very much like a precursor to what she's to do. You are not, you have, you are not a leftovers person, right? I started the leftovers, I think, during COVID. And I was like, you know, at some point, I'm going to recommend that you go back to it. It's one, truly one of like my favorite TV shows of all time. The leftovers is also one of those things that I've got, like the housewives, that I've gotten through osmosis. It's like I kind of get it, you know, through everybody jiffing it and such, you know. You do and you don't. Whatever.

Whatever. I'm not going to press it, but I'm just going to, I'm just saying it. What did you think of Cameron Diaz? I feel like I've talked about what I think of Cameron Diaz. What did you think of Cameron Diaz? Who I feel like gets the, the biggest spotlight, particularly because she gets the big monologue at the end of the movie. Yeah, she has that monologue, which I do think she's really great in. and again, underplaying it in a way that is ultimately very interesting.

And I don't think it's entirely her fault. You know, this thing I kind of made fun of of how, you know, disability was presented on screen in this era by people who were not disabled of like blind people were always just like looking down and slightly to the right. Like, you know, every frame of this movie, that's what she's doing. Yeah. So I don't entirely pin that on her, but around. that her performance is very interesting and like you said is not doing you know every actor has

their you know not just ticks but like their their persona their sort of signature their signatures yeah the way that she you know her line deliveries it's not typically like with that cameron diaz verve and it's so interesting because this is coming off of being john mall which is maybe one of her biggest performances. Yes. And then she goes and gives one of her more quiet performances. And then she would go and give another big performance in Vanilla Sky right after this. So yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think if you were to, if I were to say, is there a weak link in the cast, would you say that there is one? Not really. That's the thing. I think it's a pretty uniformly very good cast. Yeah. Which is good to see, you know, which is very good to see. I think before, normally what happens is I wait till the end of the episode to do a game,

and then all of a sudden we have a game, and then it's right followed by the IMDB game. So in the interest of spacing it out, how would you like if we did my game now? Give it. Okay. So we've talked about how things you can tell. just by looking at her, is a movie that in many ways exists as a title more than exists as any other thing. And so I thought, well, we should do a game about that. And then I thought, well, what's the perfect vessel to do this? And so my kind of brainstorm was, we're going to

play something that we haven't played before that I have decided to call the Tyra Banks game. Listener Joe just changed his background. And the Tyra Banks game, if, I know Chris, you know about this, but I want to make sure that our listeners know about this, is if you've ever seen that viral clip that goes around every once in a while of from the Tyra Banks show in 2008, when she's. She's interviewing Beyoncé coming off of the B-Day album, I would guess, and would have been the 08 one. Whatever era Beyonce stopped doing interviews.

Because this interview definitely, Beyonce was like, I am never doing a single interview. And Tyrus' big idea was to barrage Beyonce with a series of questions punning off of her name, essentially. Most notoriously, she said, Breonce, what's your favorite cheese? Bionce. When was the last time you bought something in a store? Seiance.

If you could communicate with anybody that has passed away, who would it be? Breonce. What's your favorite type of cheese? Grayonce. You get older, are you going to dye your hair? Cleonset. Have you ever voted on American Idol?

Slasha Fierce. When was the last time you was a little tipsy? Squasha Fierce. What sport do you like to play? Ciance. Do you like going out on a boat or whatever? Gleonce. And to each all of these, Beyonce is like, oh, wow.

Well, it's the perfect contrast between sort of over-eager, thinks she's got a brilliant idea, top model hostess Tyra Banks and aloof, cool to chilly Beyonce, who's just sort of like, I don't want to be here. I don't want to do this anymore. It's wonderful. It's like the type of thing you would see on local news, you know? Every time I think about this. I'll text you or like one of like three other people and just get into

a 12-minute barrage of back-and-forth, you know, Tyra-style questions, punning off of one title or another. It's a fantastic game. Play it amongst yourselves. So anyway, we're going to do that with the title, things you can tell just by looking at her. So what I am going to do for you, Chris, is I'm going to give you a version of the title, and then it will be followed up by a trivia question. Ideally, these will be sort of done in somewhat of a rapid-fire manner, but obviously, if you need to take your time thinking about an answer, you can do it. All right, are you ready to play the Tyra Banks game? Let's do it. All right.

So, things you can tell just by cooking at her in the 1999 film Simply Irresistible, who plays Sarah Michelle Geller's love interest? Michael Vartan? It's not Michael Fartan. Good choice for the era. he was in Never Been Kissed. Right. Is it like Scott Wolf? It's not.

It's Sean Patrick Flannery. Sure. All right. Things you can tell just by booking at her. In Disney's Beauty and the Beast, according to the song Bell, in what chapter of her favorite book does the protagonist discover that the man she met is in fact Prince Charming? Chapter three. Chapter three.

All right. Things you can tell just by Babadooking at her. When filming the Babadook in Australia, director Jennifer Ken, drew upon her experience as a production assistant on which Lars von Treer film? Um, was it Dogville? It was Dogville, in fact, very good. Things you can tell just by jukeying at her. In the film version of the jukebox musical Mamma Mia,

during the performance of what song do both Pierce Brosnan and Colin Firth's characters take one look at Amanda Seifred and declare themselves to be her father and promise to walk her down the aisle. Vulee vu. Vue, very good. Things you can tell just by nuking at her. In American Hustle, what term does Jennifer Lawrence's character use for her new microwave? The Science Oven? Science Oven, very good.

Things you can smell just by looking at her. In her smell, who plays the member of the Acre Girls called Crassy Cassie? Is that Carade Allivine? Very good. Things you can spell just by looking at her. Alice Hoffman, who wrote the novel upon which practical magic was based, also wrote the book that was adapted into what teen family. Fantasy rom-com starring Emma Roberts.

Uh, the only Emma Roberts movie that's coming to me right now is Nerve. No, uh, teen fantasy. Nancy Drew? No, fantasy. What's a, what's, uh, um, uh, but Emma Roberts, she was in a Nancy Drew movie, right? Yes, but that's the, not fantasy, uh, Aquamarine. Aquamarine, very good. Oh, great.

Things You Can't Shell just by looking at her. Shelly Duval won the Best Actress Award at the Cannes Film Festival for which movie? Three women. Three women. Things you can Chrisel just by looking at her. What Best Actress nominee promised that she would sell this house today? Net Benning. Annette Benning.

Things you can Dell just by looking at her. Name the Sandra Bullock movie that fits this prompt. Things that you can Dell just by looking at her? Dell, yeah. The net? Yes, the net. Does she have a Dell in that movie? Dude, you're getting to Del. Maybe. I don't know. It's a computer.

Things you can gel just by looking at her. And there's something about Mary. What city has Mary moved to in order to escape her stock or ex-boyfriend? San Francisco. Miami. Things you can Nell just by looking at her. Besides best actress for Jody Foster, what were the two other Golden Globe Awards that Nell was nominated for? For the Taya and O'een. Nell would have also been nominated for Best Picture Drama. Yes. Best original score.

Yes, very good. Things you can bell just by looking at her. And Gloria Bell, what needle drop accompanies Gloria is shooting John Totoro's character with a paintball gun. Totally clips of the heart by Bonnie Tyler. Things you can tell just by looking at Fur, who was Nicole Kidman's co-star in Fur, an imaginary portrait of Dion Arbus. Robert Downey Jr. Yes, things you can tell just by looking at Burr. True or False, Frozen 2 was nominated for Best Animated Feature at the Academy Awards. False. False was nominated for Best Song.

You Can You Can You Name the Title of the Song from Judas and the Black Messiah For Which Her Won the Oscar for Best Original Song? It is Fight for You. Yes, it is Fight for You. Very good. That's the game. You're a monster. I hope you enjoyed it. I love that in our dynamic, you're the Tyra and I'm the Beyonce. Well, that tracks.

Listener, we're trying to figure out what the dynamic is between the two of us. We're in a constant, ever-shifting dynamic as far as I did say Lumier and Cogsworth, and that I feel like we were getting close. I'm definitely the Cogsworth. You're definitely the Lumier. We're definitely getting there with that. All right. What do we want to say next about this movie? We've talked about the cast. We've talked about... We've very recently talked about the 2000 Sundance and the American Psycho episode, so I don't feel like we need to do that. Right. But this movie did premiere at Sundance, we should say. But then it went to the Cannes Film Festival, and that's probably the more interesting thing to talk about, is 2000 Can. And Garcia is a Sundance guy, like most of his movies, that he's directed, have premiered there.

We also didn't mention he started his film career as a cinematographer, too. But, like, nobody really cares about the motion picture body shots. Although I do remember that movie and did see it. And that was one of those, like, late-night HBO movies. the that I watched. Starring, among others, Brad Rowe from the movie Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss, which is the movie that lost you trivia, last time we did trivia night. Sure, did, because I took a gamble.

I was peacocking, and I was like, I know these movies, and it was not, no. So it played Uncertain Regard, won the grand prize of Uncertain Regard, from Jane Birkin's jury actress and singer. What would I know Jane Burkin from? From Anya's Varda movies, the mother of Charlotte Gainsburg. She is also the namesake of the Birken bag. Get the fuck out of here. I was about to make a joke about that.

That's so funny. And she actually kind of disowned it. She's like, this is not really necessarily ethical. You're doing like, you know, hundreds of thousands of. dollars for these bags you know go off queen she recently passed um i'm trying to look at this in certain regard lineup and pick out of course the most american ones which are the ones that i've heard about which are women on top a movie i've always wanted to see because that was like penelope cruise she's coming to america guys to american audiences but i never saw that woman i think she plays like

a sexy chef or something she certainly the poster certainly suggests that she plays a sexy chef The poster basically suggests what if a woman was sexy, and like, that's the plot of the movie. What if a woman were on top? Okay, so the poster, which is like the thing that I most remember of it, is like sexy Penelope Cruz in like very, very close, close up with a hot pepper sort of tantalizingly grazing her bottom lip, essentially. Right. And the tagline for this movie is, I would love it if IMDB wouldn't put a fucking superscript caption. a sexy comedy that turns happily ever after upside down. Penelope Cruz, woman on top.

And then I do love when they put a second tagline in place of a release date, which says, this fall, spice up your life. People of the world. People of the world. Spice up your life. This in certain regard lineup doesn't have a ton of things that I recognize. There is the... I dreamed of Africa.

I dreamed of Africa. The Kim Basinger flop. Yeah. There's, you know, Griffin Dunn has a movie. Hong Sung Su has a movie. Patricia Mosui has an Isabella Lupeir movie. Tronan Hung has a movie. So it's like there's recognizable names, even if these are not necessarily movies that we talk about.

Though I do want to see the Tronan Unhung movie Vertical Ray of the Sun. I meant to watch more of his movies in the moment of the Taste of Things. I can't wait until we do a Taste of Things episode. That'll be fun. That'll be a good one. Movies that screened out of competition at this can included Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Requiem for a Dream, Roland Jophis Vattel, which was an Oscar nominee, and I want to say costume design. Cessle B. Demented, John Waters is Cessleby Demented. Anas Varda's The Gleaners and I, Brian De Palma's Mission to Mars. This was, of course, the Cannes Film Festival that Dancer in the Dark

wins the Palm Door for... And best actress. For Lars von Trier. And best actress, right, for Miss Bjork. What are the other major awards? Edward Yang wins director for Yee in the main competition.

Nurse Betty, which is a movie that we've done before. One best screenplay. Tony Leung wins best actor for in the mood for love and yeah it is a cool can

but like it wins this significant prize Jane Birkin's jury is like half critics which you never really see this is the weird thing with like film festivals lately that it's like

all the jury members they're getting are just directors um like the Venice jury this year is like Isabella upere and mostly directors It's kind of like vary it up a little bit.

I love when they get like novelists in film festival juries, you know, or they get cinematographers, something like that. You know, it kind of makes for a more unexpected set of winners for whatever the prizes will be. Though I do think it's interesting that a jury of mostly critics gave this movie their prize. You know, maybe you wouldn't see that with someone who is more like a jury that's more director focused and they might be looking for. for louder, for lack of the better word, visions or something. More visual verve. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. That makes some sense.

So this movie's in a good position. It gets good reviews out of Sundance. It gets this major prize it can, even from a sidebar area. But MGM is kind of going through it. MGM and United Artists have had like ebbs and flows throughout. and like now Amazon owns them so that's probably some stability moving forward

but MGM was definitely at an ebb in this portion they only released four movies this year which Joe did you remember any of these movies you wrote them down into the outline and I have promptly forgotten them Supernova which was an

Angela Bassett sci-fi bomb three strikes which I believe was a comedy returned to me a rom Com with Mini Driver. Mini Driver and David Dukovny? I think the plot of that movie is that one of them, I think maybe she had a husband who died and Dukovny got his heart in a transplant.

Sure. Or something like that. And then Autumn and New York, a movie that got really critically destroyed. I saw that movie. I fully, okay, I believe I saw that movie. that came out when I was in college, and I think it was one of those movies were like a bunch of us were in, we're just hanging out in someone's townhouse that night. And it was like guys and girls and we needed to come up with a compromise movie choice. And this was the compromise movie choice that we chose. So we went to Blockbuster and we rented Autumn in New York and not a single one of us liked it. So I think we all figured it out there. But yeah. And they don't release another movie until 2001. They have, like, you know, they do have success again in 2001.

They have, like, Legally Blonde. They share duties with Universal on Hannibal. Ghost World ends up being an Oscar nominee for its screenplay. Of course, the... It got an adapted screenplay nomination, right? I think so, because I think we would have done it otherwise. Yes, it was nominated for Best Screenplay. That might be a fun exception at some point.

Josie and the Pussycats, of course, one of the greatest movies of all time was a co-production with Universal. Bandits, which was a mere miss. In the Oscar conversation. I'm always pushing for us to talk about bandits just so I can watch bandits.

It's not bad, I will say. So MGM, they're not in great shape. They eventually have a bankruptcy that happens in a few years after this, but they sell things you can tell just by looking at her to Showtime, and it becomes kind of one of those things that is like, well, maybe this could be an Emmy thing, because even though, you know, these are named stars, like, there's a lot of success on television among this cast. Glenn Close has multiple Emmy nominations in the 90s. She's done a ton of TV movies by this point. Yep, yep, yep, yep. Hunter does as well. Amy Brennamen had just started judging Amy. Calisto had been on Allie McBeal for a few years.

Allie McBeal's kind of wrapping up. That show ends in 2002. Is Alan McBeal only last like four seasons, five seasons? I think so. Yeah. Because that show kind of died after Robert Downey Jr. had to leave. Well, Robert Towney Jr. also was the show rebounding. That show was super buzzy in its first season.

I think it was one of those shows that had a sophomore slump or just after the sophomore slump. remember in the second season, they added Portia de Rossi and Lucy Lou. But the problem was that the central love triangle, which was Callista Flockhart, Courtney Thorne Smith, and then Gil Bellows, but like nobody cared about Gil Bellows whatsoever. He was sort of a dud, sort of third prong. So they ended up eventually, like, giving him a brain tumor and killing him off at some point. Wow. But they couldn't find. I never watched Halle McBeal. But they couldn't find another sort of like romantic storyline for Allie. And so, like, they brought in Robert Johnny Jr. for a season.

And, like, that, like, popped for a second. And he got an Emmy nomination and maybe won an Emmy for it. I can't remember or won a Golden Globe or something. And then he went away because he abruptly leaves to go to rehab. Yes. Then the final season, I think they bring in John Bon Jovi. And then also, I think Hayden Panetteer is, like... her daughter somehow, I don't remember how that happened, where it's like she had, like, donated an egg or something like that, and all of a sudden, Hayden Panetteer is her daughter.

But that show has clear ups and downs, but even through the ups and downs, Callista Flockhart is praised, like, unilaterally for that show. She is, but she's not, she's praised, but by the people who watch it and like it, but there's a huge backlash to that show right away. And so, you know, Allie McBeal killed feminism, whatever. And so I think even among the praise, she gets nominated for Emmys, of course, but I think there's a large streak in the greater culture that sort of looks down on both Allie McBeal and her for dumbing down television, for, you know, it's the lawyer with the miniskirt. Of course, people could not stop talking about how skinny she was. And there was, you know, all of this stuff.

And I think by the time she married Harrison Ford, they went through like a couple of press cycles of I can't believe this older man and this younger one, blah, blah, blah. But once that cycled through, I think that kind of calmed the waters for her and that like people stopped coming for her so viciously. And they're, you know, still married today, which is, you know, a thing I think not many people would have expected. He got that earring. Everybody talked about the earring for a while. I will never stop talking about the earring. But I think people were pretty mean to Callista. For as much as Allie was a success and for as much as she would get like industry honors, I think the general tone in the press was both dismissive and I think kind of vicious towards her. So I'm glad to see her with a role like this where she gets to just like act. and be good. Yeah, and be good. Yeah.

Kathy Baker, though, picket fences, she wins three of four Emmys. That show does not last for very long. Classic. Classic. She had Allie McBeal, of course, like the connection there is those are both David E. Kelly shows. That was during his, like, big, like, hot era where he had, he went from picket fences to the practice to Allie McBeal to Chicago Hope. I believe was a David E. Kelly show, and he just, like, kind of couldn't miss on TV. And so Kathy Baker winning all those Emmys for Pickett Fences, that was one of those shows that, like, the Emmys liked maybe even more so than the public. It was on CBS, I want to say on, like, Friday nights. You know what I mean? It was this, you know, sort of quirky small town in Wisconsin. It kind of fit well with their, like, northern exposure sort of vibe.

an interesting show. I liked it. It's definitely one of those like... I should find a way to watch Pickett Fences because I'm like, ooh, four seasons, you say. It's not like eight seasons of 50 episodes. I'm surprised that it only lasted four seasons, too. It must have been one of those. For a while there, the thing, for a very long while, actually, the thing on CBS was their worse, like the shows that are really popular aren't their best ones. And the few times that, like, CBS would have a show that, like, I was really into, it, like, wasn't very well, you know, very widely watched. But it's like, it's very quirky small town. Five Asch Finkel plays the, like, the, you know, quirky lawyer and Kathy Baker's sort of like the calm center of normalcy in that she's the wife of the sheriff and she's a doctor and she's got, you know, three kids and she's just sort of, you know, around her family.

is this swirling, sort of like quirky small town. But I liked it. I didn't watch all of it, but the ones that I really liked, Holly Marie Combs played her daughter, her eldest daughter, and I believe there was like a story where she ended up like attracted to a girl, and that was kind of groundbreaking for like, I imagine the CBS audience for seeing like a sensitively told teen lesbian story. Do you know what I mean? So, and then, of course, Allie McBeal was the complete opposite of that David E. Kelly coin, which was really showy quirk, dancing babies, Barry White sing-alongs, Vonda Shepard, you know.

Peter McNichael. And, like, weird animated asides were, like, her tongue would flap out of her, her mouth and whatnot. And, right, Peter McNichael, Diane Cannon playing the judge who, uh, great. Greg German keeps, like, sexually, like, touching the underside of her, of her chin. There was just, like, a lot that went on with Allie in a short period of time. So it's interesting that they're both in this movie together. And then, Kathy Baker would also had, sorry, I keep interrupting you. No, go ahead.

My David E. Kelly Symposium. Kathy Baker then would also show up on another David E. Kelly show called Boston Public, where she played, like, a very stern PTA woman. Anyway, continue. No, I was going to say all of this to like kind of say, you know, this could be the type of thing that we're talking about for Emmys suddenly, but the only nomination it ends up getting is supporting actress for Holly Hunter because this is, of course, the year of the great Judy Garland biopic with Tammy Blanchard, who beats Holly Hunter and of course Judy Davis. So this is the 9-11 Emmys. This is the one that got pushed back a couple of times because of things that were happening in the aftermath of 9-11. Tammy Blanchard does win for Life with Judy Garland, Me and My Shadows. Judy Davis also wins that year and beats out Holly Hunter. So Holly Hunter lost twice that year to Life with Judy Garland. me in My Shadows because she was nominated for the ABC TV movie when Billy Beat Bobby, which was the Billie Jean King Bobby Riggs movie.

Judy Davis somewhat famously beats out Emma Thompson in wit, which I think that was one of those that like early on in that Emmy season, everybody was like, well, just give Emma Thompson the Emmy. If it was a theatrical movie, Judy Davis would have an Oscar. I think that's probably true, yeah. It's an incredible performance. But also, I would think if it was a theatrical movie, Emma Thompson might have also gotten an Oscar for Witt. That's also very true.

But Holly Hunter already had two Emmys at this point, both for Roe v. Wade and then a few years later in the 90s, she won for the positively true adventures of the alleged Texas cheerleader murdering mom. Do you remember that movie at all? Or do you remember that? Are you old enough to remember that? I do not remember this. Talk about things that only exist as a title. I know, but it was like, it was one of those, it was sort of a halfway satirical movie about these sort of like tabloids, you know, these tabloid crime stories of the early 90s, late 80s, early 90s. I remember, I remember thinking it was quite good and she was, you know, quite good. Holly Hunter was like hot as a pistol in, you know, that like 87 through 93 range, whatever, she was. just like could not, or not, or not, not, not, uh, uh, uh, oh three kind of, just sort of like

the entire, uh, decade of the 90s. She really couldn't miss. But anyway, um, also nominated in that supporting actress category that Tammy Blanchard wins. You've got Anne Bancroft for a CBS, uh, movie or perhaps miniseries called Haven. Brenda Bleffin, uh, in Anne Frank, in, uh, ABC's Anne Frank. whole story, which is a mini-series that apparently takes the perspective that we have not heard

the whole story about Anne Frank, and now we need this star-studded television miniseries. Perhaps she was also a costumed crime fighter. And then Audra McDonald, in wit, who, again,

tremendous. If you haven't seen wit. Mike Nichols directed it. Emma Thompson is this sort of English, right? She's an English literature college professor who is, you know, incredibly, you know, learned and intelligent and quick-witted, obviously. And then she gets diagnosed with cancer. And she, as she's dying, she sort of like rages by lashing out with that, you know, great intellect of hers. It's tremendous. Very, very good. Very, very good. So, yeah, that's all going on in the TV section.

I want to talk to you about Chris the showtime of it all because I, and again, this might be a thing where, like, our small difference in age maybe sort of expresses itself a little bit more. We were not a showtime household. Nor were we, but I don't know if anybody who was. This is the thing is that as we were younger, we were also not an HBO household. until I went to college in 1998. I went to college. We would get, like, HBO-free preview weekends, and so we would, like, tape movies off of that,

and those would be, like, the greatest weekends ever. But we never subscribed to HBO, and then I went to college, and my roommates and I all went in and got HBO, and that was, like, right at the beginning of the Sopranos, early sex in the city. I got a taste for HBO, and there was truly no going back. So, like, when I went back home in the summer, I was like, no, you don't understand.

We need to get HBO. And so, like, we got HBO in our house. And then, but Showtime was always like the bridge too far. Showtime would also do free preview weekends every once in a while, where we would also get movies. But, like, there was just, like, no one was going to spend extra money on Showtime. It just wasn't happening. And then they start, they had done, like, some. some original programming in the 80s and 90s. But it was in this particular early Otts era

where they really started having this concerted effort to have original programming. So I went and I was like, what were the original Showtime originals that were on the air around this time that things you can tell just by looking at her would have been on? It was Stargate SG1, if you remember, which is a spin-off of Stargate. Okay, maybe I am going to remember some of these shows. Soul Food, which was the TV adaptation of the film, if you recall. The film starred Vanessa L. Williams, and the TV show starred Vanessa E. Williams, which was the Vanessa Williams, who had been on Melrose Place in this first season. A show called Resurrection Boulevard, which was about a Latino family living in East L.A., starring the dad from Ugly Betty.

and Elizabeth Peña, and I think Nicholas Gonzalez, who would also end up on the O.C. for a season. But most prominently, this was the first season of queer as folk, which to me was the first time I, in my still closeted existence, was like, I got to figure out a way to get my hands on this showtime somehow. Like, I got to, I got to, what's going on? And, like, and that is a sense that would, like, increasingly, like, every year, it would get more and more.

And then finally weeds premiered in like, I want to say like 05 around there. And by that point, I was ground level weeds. So I did have showtime by that. I needed to get show time by that time because it was just like, I can't not watch this show

with Mary Louise Parker. But so I actually looked it up. And the night that things you can tell just by looking at her premiered, we also got a new episode of Queer's Folk. So I imagine one led into the other. What a night for the girls and gays. What a night for the girls and gays.

March 11th, So I looked it up. It was an episode in season one of the American Queer's Folk called Very Stupid People Written by my friend Drew Z Greenberg, who I actually have not, it's been a minute since I've reached out to Drew, so maybe I should email him. What are your thoughts about things you can tell just by looking at? I should. Drew, of course, would go on.

He was a Buffy writer. I reached out for something that I was writing about Buffy and we corresponded. but he also ended up being a major writer on Marvel's Agents of Shield. Anyway, so here's the plot description, per Wikipedia for the episode, Very Stupid People of Queers Folk. Brian sleeps with a co-worker who then files a sexual harassment lawsuit against him. Emmett continues to try to go straight. Melanie cheats on Lindsay with another woman.

How much of Queersfolk did you watch? Bits and pieces. Same. Okay. Same. Same. Like, it's, it was for me one of those things that, uh, as a young person, I was like, oh, how do I find a way to get my hands on this, but also like secret it covertly? You know what was a wonderland for that? A great leap forward? Netflix. Early Netflix discs. I rented all of the queerest folk DVDs. And it ultimately was not for me at that time. I would be fascinated to watch it now. The thing about especially American Queers Folk is it was both, and I say this with great respect to, obviously, people I know who may have written for it, both good and bad at the same time. But ultimately, it existed. It was something that we could watch.

And I think some people will look at it now and probably see. bits and pieces reflected. I think at the time there was a big streak of like, why are they all party boys? Why are they all at the bar every week? Why is this guy so aggressively promiscuous? And I bet you those aspects would age a lot better. I imagine there's a lot of dated everything and probably a lot of dated moralism. But I would be, I should probably dip in and like watch early queer as folk and see just how it holds up. Because I also remember, like, Emmett was played by Peter Page, who's an actor who I've liked in basically everything I've ever seen him in. That's the movie. That's the gay rom-com that I wanted to see. It was something he had

something he had written directed. Anyway, um, interesting, interesting corner of my life, though, was, I remember so clearly being so curious, but also a little scared of Queersfolk, which, you know, I was fucking 20 at the time. I should have been, you know, I shouldn't have been quite so reticent and quite so trepidacious, but I was, I was a young, 20. And I was the young teenage gay guy more curious about things you can tell just by looking at her than queer as well. There you go.

But anyway, I'm just imagining a night on Showtime, and like for whatever sliver of people actually had Showtime that night, the girls and gays were eating good in the neighborhood, so good for everybody. What else do we want to say? What else is there to say? Oh, can I mention something? Absolutely. During Cameron Diaz's big monologue at the end, where she sort of talks for a while about this, because the through line through this movie is there's this woman who Amy Brennaman, in her capacity as a police detective, they find her dead in her bed in her apartment.

And you end up seeing this woman sort of literally just like walk by in all the other vignettes. And she's not really connected to anything, but her, like, her ghost kind of haunts all the rest of this movie. And so during Cameron Diaz's monologue, part of it is her speculating to Amy Brennaman of, like, you know, you say you don't know why this woman killed herself. And, like, here's possible reason. And she sort of, like, essentially writes a story for why this woman would have been sad and alone. And then Amy Brennaman says, wow, you should. should, you know, you shouldn't be a cop like I thought earlier. You should be a writer. And Cameron Diaz says, in a very right early line, in a very like, this is the theme.

She says, only a fool would speculate about the life of a woman. And I wrote that down, and I thought, is this not the exact same thing as you can't read the doll? Isn't that the same meaning? Doesn't that mean the exact same thing? Are you now going to ascribe drag race personalities to each of the headliners of this film? Okay, so where are we? We've got Glenn Close is a professional, but maybe not quite so sure of herself. So she is Ms. Cracker. No, don't do that to Glenn Close.

Shut up. I like Ms. Cracker. Shut up. No, we're not, I'm not, I'm not ascribing. Glenn Close can land a joke. Shut your face. Miss Cracker's good. Holly Hunter is a, um, a wanton hussy. So that... Basko. Fair, fair. Um, Callista Flockhart is exceeding all our expectations, which makes her the oh, who's a queen who exceeded all our expectations?

The, oh, what's her name? Elda Barge. No, who was Elda Barge, who, fucking Crystal Method? Crystal Method. She's the Crystal Method. Amy Brennaman is

another one who she's sort of like a lonely professional, but she also, like, ultimately is the one who the movie kind of ends on. So she ends up, like, winning. So, like, who's somebody who, um, just sort of, like, who starts the season, starts the episode or starts the movie on top and ends the movie on top? And so that's like, who went like bell to bell?

Like Simone, is she the Simone? Sure. She's the Simone. We're using too many recent drag race queen. Fine. Who would you like to say is Cameron Diaz? um dry sense of humor um secretly very deep um not so easy now is it not so easy now is it huh and i'm like cheddar gorgeous um which is recent UK uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh now who's on the hot seat

I'm not bail on you out either. Who's Kathy Baker? Kathy Baker is... Kathy Baker is open to new things, but ultimately is having trouble sort of divesting herself from her, from her old modes of being a parent. So that is Fifi O'Hara. No, someone who's... like has a lot of drag

children and is like you know maybe you know needs to shake it up a little bit you know so like wins a comedy challenge that they're not funny you know okay I was going to say has a lot of drag children and is a little bit of a weirdo

so I was going to say Alyssa Edwards sure Kathy Baker or Lisa Edwards why not if Kathy Baker is nothing in Edwards says her hands if she is not Elizabeth, or Alyssa Edwardian, like... All right, all right.

And Valeria is, uh, loving and ill. Um... Not loving and ill. Um, uh... I don't know. I don't want to place that on anybody.

I don't want to place that on anybody. Uh, uh... Willow Pill. Sure. Sure, sure, sure, sure. All right. Um... You can't read the doll.

basically my only other note was that things you can tell just by reading the doll yeah exactly exactly um Holly Hunter gets the and you mentioned

um which is weird it feels like Glenn Close should have the and because like yeah it feels like we're being deceived that Glenn Close is the like I think they gave Holly Hunter the and

once they realized they were going to push her for the Emmy basically you know no because this poster was in my movie theater oh when it was still a theatrical okay okay okay well then yeah because it was there for like it didn't move for like a year and it's like what is this movie coming out i want to see these white ladies yeah like you know all right all right that's all i got that's all i got for this movie i don't know about that's all i got let's do the i mdb game but would you like to explain the i mdb game to our listeners always always would I like to do this. Every week we end our episodes with the IMDB game where we challenge each other with the name of an actor or actress and we try and guess the top four titles that IMDB says they are most known for. If any of those titles are television, voice only performances or non-acting credits. We mentioned that up front. After two wrong guesses, we get the remaining titles release years as a clue. If that is not enough, it just becomes a free for all of hints. That's the IMDB game.

How are we doing this? Why don't you quiz me first? All right. So for you, I went into the Rodrigo Garcia's filmography. You having a stroke? And I pulled, somehow you do pick a name out of a film called Four Good Days. We've done this person, but very, very long ago, double digits episodes. I pulled Milakunis.

We didn't Milakunis that long ago. Okay. Sure did. No television. No television. Black Swan. Black Swan is correct. Jupiter ascending?

Jupiter ascending. Good movie. Correct. Not a good movie. Bad moms. Bad moms, correct. Are you going to get a perfect score? Maybe.

A bad mom's Christmas. Incorrect, not a bad mom's Christmas. Damn. Okay. Oz the Great and Powerful. Oz the Great and Powerful is incorrect. Your year is 2008. The earliest movie on her known for.

I was going to say, that's pretty early. So she's maybe still doing that 70s show. I don't think so. Okay. Then she's not doing that 70s show. Milakunis. This is too early for date night. Is she in date night?

Oh, she is in date night. Right. So. Wild that family guy is not in her note for. They've been doing that show for like 30 years. So, okay, so Black Swan is 2010. So this is two years before Black Swan. I'm guessing, well, this is too early for no strings attached.

Or wait, Friends with Benefits. That's her. Fuck Buddy movie. I'm gonna need a hint. You know, if you're guessing a movie like Friends with Benefits, you're getting warmer. This is a movie that I think is good. We've kind of memory-hold for semi-obvious reasons. It's not a witty Allen.

No, no. But there's a supporting actor in this movie who we... Kevin Spacey. No. No. we do not want to deal with this person Johnny Depp. No, no, less famous.

We maybe never liked this person, but also, like, now they're pretty awful. Like criminal. I forget if criminal, I don't think if criminal. Jeff Garland. No. No. this person It's a shame that this is maybe

the first person we talk about when we talk about this movie Because I think this is otherwise a good movie That I like Is it like a comedy? It is a romantic comedy Is it like an apatow Adjacent? Okay

Oh like T.J. Miller? No. Okay. Is it a Rudd movie? It is not. Is it a Vince Vaughn movie. It is not. It is famous for an early scene in the movie that did something that a lot of movies

don't do. But like ushered in an era of well we'll do this if it's funny. Is it like this is the end? No, but you are warmer? You're circling the parking lot. It can't be a sausage party because you would have told me it's animated. Um, is it like a Jay Barrichelle kind of a joy You just keep circling that parking lot And you just won't pull into the space

Jason Segal Oh, it's, I'm forgetting Sarah Marshall You got it Wow, that took me way too long I totally forgot that she's the She's the cool girl In forgetting Sarah Marshall Yeah

Wow, yeah You know, a lot of people really revere that movie And I like saw that movie people really hate it. I saw that movie once. I liked it, and I haven't seen it again. That's sort of where I'm at. Oh, that's how you forgot it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it exists. It's certainly a movie that still exists. It's, uh, you know, interesting. Yeah, but I think when people talk about that movie, they either talk about Jason Siegel's dick or they talk about Russell Brand. And it's like, I mean, I think that's right. Baruchel is in it, though, right? I think. Like, all those people that I was mentioning, um, he might be. I don't remember if he's in it or not. No, it's Jack McBrayer who's in it. Jack McBer and like Ellie Kemper, right?

Oh, right, because they're, I think they're on their honeymoon or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, anyway. And they won't have sex. Right, right. I also went through Rodrigo Garcia route. I went to his Jesus movie with Ewan McGregor, co-starring as the boy, Ty Sheridan. So I'm going to give you Ty Sheridan.

Okay. X-Men first class. Nah, not first class. He's not in first class. X-Men Days of Future, Pah? Nope. All right, well, that's two guesses. Great.

Okay, got my years. Your years are 2012, 2013, 2016, 2018. Is he not Cyclops? Yeah, but he doesn't show up in those first two of that era. Remember, that era did like a double. I literally was talking about this. somebody the other day that um first class enters the like young mutants and then halfway through that run of movies they reenter more younger mutants uh and he was and he was so it's apocalypse

it's maxman apocalypse that's your 2016 mud mud tree of life no not tree of life in fact tree of life was 2011 your years uh remaining years are 13 and 18 okay so is 18 dark phoenix no it is not dark phoenix no more x-men movies i'll say that um 13 so he's still is it joe it is joe in fact i did not think you were going to get joe yes so 2018 2018 is probably a movie that you skipped even though it's from a like incredibly famous director. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, because it's like a boy movie, but wasn't supposed to be very good. It's not just a boy movie. It is... It's like cars. It's not cars, but it's, it's, it does have cars. Um, it's like, it's the thing you, like, most despise, I think. It's like, this,

this movie, I think is, like, wildly odious to you. is my guess. Oh, wow. And it's not about car. It's not a movie about cars. It's not a movie about cars, no. But there are cars. Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's at least, like, one car race scene in this movie.

Is it like a NASCAR movie? No, no, no, no, no. it's a it's kind of tough to say like it's a blank movie it's um because you would probably just like give it away based on a novel somewhat infamously um among this movie this director's movie is this sort of like is kind of like Bad? Yeah, some people like it. Some people stick up for it, but it is mostly perceived as not only bad as a movie, but like bad for the culture. Oh, okay.

So this movie might be toxic. In a way. Not in a way where it's like sexist or predatory, but in a way that's retrograde. It's, it's, it's, I think people who like, I think people who like, this movie would say that it's a movie that reckons with these ideas, but a lot of other people would say it's a movie that just sort of participates in the degradation of the culture. I feel like it's right there. Yeah.

You definitely didn't see this movie. It's very famous director. Like one of the most famous directors. Okay. And that's not like Spielberg. It's not... Why? Because Spielberg in 20...

Oh, it's Ready Player 1. It's ready player one. He's the main guy. I have seen this movie. Oh, you have seen it. This is one of the worst things Spielberg ever made. It is, it is, it is, it thinks that it is, it is sending up something and saying that it is shallow, but it is self incredibly shallow and Kubrick is rolling in his grave and Spielberg should apologize. What did I tell you?

What a piece of shit. What did I tell you? Yeah, all of those things I said about it. Everyone who's like, no, it's good. It's actually like commenting on this. I'm sorry, but no. I'm slightly in the middle. I'm slightly in the middle. I do, I have to believe that Spielberg intended something deeper. And I also feel like you can tell that there are portions of this movie where it's like, oh, that's got to be like he's very consciously referencing sort of Pandora's boxes that he has. opened in the past. I think Spielberg is making that movie because they convinced him to make that movie because they would not be able to get all of the licensing if Spielberg's name was not attached to that movie. You're probably not wrong about that. All right. Anyway, you did it. You got all four tie shares. The places we went this episode, I can't believe I passed a moment to rail against the lack of availability for life with Judy Garland, me and

My Shadows not being readily available on streaming. Yell at them. That was, what, an ABC TV movie? Get on it, Disney. Sure. Hold on. I'll see who actually produced it, though. Life with Judy Garland, me and my shadows.

Which was... Life with Judy Garland, me and my shadows. I'm still here, Jujubi's Journey. It was definitely aired on ABC. I don't know who owns the rights to it now, but somebody get on that. I guess maybe the Judy Garland estate. is sitting on it. Who knows? Who knows? All right. Who knows, Joe? I think that's our episode. If you want more, This Had Oscar Buzz,

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