This Had Oscar Buzz - 333 – King of the Hill

Episode Date: March 17, 2025

Perhaps the only silver lining in 2025 is that we have been given a Steven Soderbergh double dip, with both Presence and Black Bag in theatres. Among Soderbergh’s less discussed films is King of the Hill, a Depression-set drama of a boy living on his own in a St. Louis hotel. The film is a gem that showcases a … Continue reading "333 – King of the Hill"

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Chris Fyle and I'm here as always with another slew of baby-faced famos Joe Reed. They're all so little. They're all so little. Everyone is so little in this movie. Tiny little babies. Unless you're Jared Crabb, you are just so little in this movie.

Karen Allen can't be more than like what, 5'4. No. She's technically small. Little. She's her smile is wider than she is tall. I feel like Karen Allen. True. Very true. She has the biggest smile in all of Hollywood, Karen Allen. And we love it. We love her for it. Joe, we are living in a time of many bad things, but we are also living in a time of good things. And by that, I mean, we are living in a time that in the span of a few months, we've seen multiple Soderberg movies

released. This is true. I still have to see presents. I was really excited to talk to you about presents, but you haven't seen presents. I've had a lot going on. Yeah, same. I mean, yeah, who am I talking to? So, but, yes, I've just been catching up. It's been a lot of catch-up. January, February tends to be where I still am catching

up on the stuff from last year that I haven't seen, so it's tough for me to... It's a neon movie. It'll be on Hulu soon enough. Yeah, but I want to see it in a theater, I think. What I will say for presents, then, since we can't get into the presence thing. I've seen a lot of people be unfair to it,

which is exactly what I kind of expect. I expected people to be even harsher, but I think it is a ghost story that gets to like the type of ghost stories that I kind of loves that are like my bread and butter when I say I want to watch like a ghost movie in that it is sad first before being scary.

Gotcha. And I think it does it in a really modern way. And I think it is very interesting to have a horror movie in the Soderberg wheelhouse, considering we'll talk about it. He's the director that everything is kind of different from the thing right next to it, you know. For a movie that premiered at last year's Sundance. Yeah. And for a movie, I feel like I know. know like a couple different facts about like I know that there is some sort of like

POV camera stuff happening and I know that like the movie stars who are in it are sort of beside the point um I don't say that for Lucy Lou very interesting movie mom that I can talk about at a later date but I don't really know a ton of what to like what what to expect when I when I go to see it which is cool and which is interesting It's a decent way to approach that movie, but I also think that, you know, I think some people who have maybe had too high of expectations or expectations for it to be something different than it is, it's made people be somewhat unfair. People are expecting a horror movie and it's not quite, it's more ghost story than horror movie? It's, it's, it's, it's kind, there is like this kind of pure gothic ghost story to it and that it's a very sad, like, it's rooted in something. very sad. But I still found it pretty scary. I mean, the whole perspective thing of it is

eerie and triggers some people's motion sickness. Oh, no. I've seen multiple people be like, motion sickness, motion sickness. I remember people were very much like that about the Blair Witch project, though, and that never phased me, so. Different kind of motion sickness. Different kind of motion sickness. Okay. Um, yeah, I, I like, presence a lot. I mean, it is kind of the Soderberg thing that it feels like he wants to do this like niche experimental thing that feels like a divergence from a lot of the rest of his movies like he's done before. And in that regard, it makes me feel like, well, I'm going to watch this movie again in five years and be like, oh no, this is even better than I thought it was. I have

to say this as someone who semi-recently rewatched insane. And I was like, yep, great movie. And the first time I saw it, I was like, interesting euphemism movie. Okay. I'll see about that one. There's a few of these sort of mid to late tier Sodaberg movies that everybody just sort of like hops onto the bandwagon of. And I'm like, can't do it. And I feel a little bit resentful. But then there are some that I'm totally on the bandwagon of.

So. We'll get into some of what those other movies are, but we should mention this episode is dropping in and around the time that Black Bag is coming into. Yeah, man. Another movie I don't really know a ton about, except for that Kate's in it. And married spies. Kate and Fastbender. That's cool. Blanchet and Fastbender. Blanchassar. The jeans in that pairing are just phenomenal. It's absolutely phenomenal. It's Lydia Tar married to Steve Jobs. Magneto. Yeah. No, that makes sense. Yeah. There we go. It's, that's all I need. That's all I need. I think this movie has the potential to shake off all stress from my body. You know, like, those snake oil socks, they tell you that it's like it can suck all of the toxins through your feet.

Right. Yes. I think BlackBag is going to do that for me. I'm hoping. Fingers crossed. I love that. Love that for you. Yeah, this is a fun discussion we're going to have about Soderberg, about early 90s stuff, about, you know, tiny baby stars. It's going to be fun. Not just tiny baby star, Jesse Bradford. There are multiple tiny baby stars in this movie. That's right.

And this is a movie that I think only. recently has kind of, I wouldn't say a full resurgence, you know, it's not like everybody still has seen this movie. It's hard to find. Well, I think when it was on Criterion Channel is when people really caught up to it. That's when I first caught up to it. And it's in the Criterion collection. We both had to buy the Criterion to watch this movie. I was happy to. I was happy to buy it. And it looks. It's a gorgeous packaging criterion. Well, and just this transfer of it, it's just like, It looks so beautiful. It's stunning.

It's stunning. It's a movie that I think because it was a box office disappointment and then never really caught on on the home market. Yeah. And I think even in the everything's a little bit different Soderberg filmography, the kind of surface things about this movie make it feel like it's maybe the most outside of the bounds, but also maybe... If you're someone catching up on a Soderberg filmography, might be like,

uh, maybe that's not the one I want to catch up to. But it really is one that people should. It is the one you want to catch up to. Oh, God, I'm so glad you liked this movie, too. Because I was like, what if Joe doesn't like this movie? I'm going to sound like an idiot being like it's so good. And it's at the very worst, just a feast for the eyes. It just looks absolutely scrumptious.

It really just does. Like the cinematography, uh, the, you know, know, what Soderberg is doing with, you know, setting and time and nostalgia and the editing, I think, is really, really clever. But on top of that, it's, you know, it's an interesting little, you know, coming of age in the Depression kind of a story that doesn't hit the beats in that same sort of tried and true order that you always think you're going to get, which I think It almost kind of stubbornly avoids it. And I think to some degree, the, like, you say what this movie is.

It's set during the Great Depression. It's about a, you know, a young kid who goes through the Great Depression is somewhat, like, on his own. Latchkey, you know. It sounds, like, you think you've seen that movie. And, like, you definitely have seen that movie. But it's not, it's not the sentimental. Emotionality of that movie, but it is very emotional. There are elements of a lot of things, because you get that, you get the sort of, you know, I'm living in a hotel full of eccentrics thing, which it plays into, but sort of at little odds and ends, it's the movie about, you know.

It's not heightened eccentric, eccentricity, too, so it's like, it feels realistic. It's not like some cutesy, and here's the weirdo down the hall. There's the other weirdo down the hall. I kept waiting for it to, not kept waiting for it to, but I thought for a second that it might be going to turn into a little kid falls in with the mob kind of a movie because at one point where you see the sort of like

the organized crime figures by the car across the street, you know, and whatever. And you're just like, is it going to go into that? And it doesn't. There's a lot of little, you know, nods toward, what this movie could be, and what it ends up being is something totally idiosyncratic, totally, you know, specific to this one particular story. I think, I think Soderberg's sort of working on a lot of different influences and, you know, you talked about, oh, I wrote it down to

the influences in terms of, like, you know, movies where there were, you know, kids in it so the bicycle thief he said the 400 blows my life is a dog hope and glory like those kind of things um that sort of evoked you know childhood but also like the past and um also movies just generally about the great depression there's a certain type of visual iconography that movies set in this time regardless of what city they're set in you know there's There's visual cues that, you know, you see repeated in very many films. And it's like, this movie doesn't, you know, it's not like, it's not telling you it's in the Great Depression. But this isn't a movie that relies on those things to, like, set you in a time and place the way that's this movie, I think does.

I think this movie does it in a way more organic, harder to achieve. Well, and because it's a movie about a little kid who's. trying to sort of straddle the line between the economic circumstances that his family is in, the economic circumstances that if something goes the wrong way, his family could get thrust into. And then also on the other side of that, the economic circumstances that his classmates have, which are a lot more affluent and a lot more, you know, comfortable. And it's, you know, because of that, you get a lot more, sort of a more rich picture of this, you know, it's St. Louis that it takes place in, but this sort of like Midwestern town that's kind of experiencing this moment in

America from a lot of different angles. It's the Soderberg sauce, because so many of his movies are about characters who exist in isolated circumstances. So it's like you get the interior. of that character, but then you also get the world building of all of the juxtaposition of all these people that they coexist with, you know, because like, this lead character played by Jesse Bradford is alone going through starvation next to classmates who are wealthy and also classmates who don't have any money either. Right, right. But he doesn't necessarily fit in with those kids, you know? Yep, yep, yep. It's a really interesting movie. It really is.

Excited to talk about it. We're also going to be talking about, like I said, Soderberg. We're going to be talking about Gramercy Pictures. This was the second film ever released by Gramercy Pictures in 1993 after Posse. Posse is the first one, right? Yes, I believe. Which is kind of fun. I have fun things to say. say about that whole kind of thing. The, did you watch the trailer for this movie? Just to sort of set up?

I didn't watch the trailer. Tell me about the trailer. Well, the trailer uses the music from Miller's Crossing. So already I'm just like, oh, that's the stuff, right? Like that Carter Burwell score, just really. And Miller's Crossing is not a movie that you know,

does the same thing. It's set in, I think, a similar time period, right? I think that's also set in the Depression. Um, but obviously that one is a lot plottier. It's a lot more sort of it's a crime, you know, yarn kind of a thing. But it does fit. You know what I mean? Like it fits. And also I've always thought that the Cohen brothers in Soderberg were not always necessarily working the same angles, but like sometimes their movies kind of harmonized together. I mean, I think comparing this. movie to the Coens is interesting because you could totally imagine the version of the Coen Brothers King of the Hill where all of these characters are way more idiosyncratic, you know, whereas Soderberg just kind of places them all in the world as fully real people. I could see someone say, well, none of these people are all that interesting on their own.

I would disagree, but I would understand someone maybe saying that about this movie. Interesting through this kid's eyes, though. Yes, yes, agree. And I think that's what's important. And it's also, I mean, this is adapted from a memoir, so these are essentially people who did exist. But there is something that feels just so grounded in reality about this movie that just works better than like the movie stuff of like all of the sentimentality of movies that you would most immediately compare it to. It's also in that sort of, you know, somewhat famous or infamous sort of first four movies that Soderberg made, where he makes sex lies and videotape, it becomes this huge critical cause-seleb, right? It's that it's, you know, an Oscar nominee.

It's on everybody's top ten list. I believe it won something it can that year. It won the palm. It won the palm. It won the palm. After playing Sundance, which is, like, it's crazy to imagine, it's happened for like... An American debut film winning the poem is very... And he was like, what, 23?

Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy. But then, so then after that, he follows it up with Kafka, which is a... Nobody knows what to make of it. Yeah, everyone's like, okay? Exactly, exactly. And it's seen as this sort of step back. then King of a Hill, which critics really liked, particularly, I know Siskel and Ebert both, like, we're over the moon about it.

But it doesn't, as we're going to talk about, it doesn't end up getting Oscar nominations. It doesn't make any money. And it sort of barely gets released, right? It sort of just like squeaks out of release. And then a couple years later, he makes this movie called The Underneath, which I've never seen. Have you ever seen The Underneath? No, but it's on our criteria, and we can watch it. Peter Gallagher, Alison Elliott, this sort of, like, crime drama, Soderberg famously, like, hates it.

Just, like, absolutely talks about how he, like, checked out in the middle of making this movie. Like, absolutely was just like, I'm not interested in doing any of this anymore. And sort of then didn't necessarily take this long break because then in 96, he comes back with Schizophrenc. in Gray's anatomy. But it's like, there is a, there is a emotional break that happens after the underneath where I think the way he talks about it, I feel like we're lucky that he didn't just sort of like give up the whole enterprise, right? That he didn't just sort of like pack it all in and find something else to do with his life. Because it's, from the way he talks about it, it sounded like he was sort of that dispirited, that sort of unsure of like what he should even be

doing. So Schizophrenas ends up being this, like, how to describe that movie even, just sort of... I still haven't seen it. It's experimental. He's the... He's stars in it. It's almost feels like something... There's no plot, you know what I mean? There's no... It just feels like, um, like a Tim Robinson, you know, I think you should leave writ large kind of a thing where it's just sort of, um, you know, bizarre. and weird and strange. And again, nobody knows what to make of that either, but he's doing what he wants to do. And then Gray's Anatomy, he's just sort of filming Baldwin Gray's monologue. Yeah. Star of King of the Hills, Spalding Gray. And that to me feels like him cleansing, you know what I mean? Like this cleanse for him, this artistic cleanse for him. And then he comes

back in 98 without a sight, and then it's sort of the Soderberg. that we know today kind of begins there. It's a really fascinating career. It's fascinating, and, like, that whole basically decade post sex lies and videotape all starts the ball rolling with the Sundance premiere, because Sex Lives and Videotape is one of the movies that made Sundance, you know, Sundance wasn't quite, it wasn't, it wasn't, I wouldn't, it's not even wasn't quite the thing that it is now. It's that it wasn't, you know, it was very industry-ish. It wasn't super well-attended. And you can go through. It wasn't a scene. Right. We talk

about Down and Dirty Pictures a lot. Go read Down in Dirty Pictures. You'll get much more in-depth about it. And sex license videotape, like people were, after this premiere happened, people were, like, descending upon the city trying to see it. And that's when he starts making deals for making this. He makes the deal to make this with Robert Redford at Sundance, basically. And do Kafka. But, like, meanwhile, he's doing all. He's going to Cannes with sex lies and videotape.

They put it in competition, even though it's not a world premiere, and then it wins the palm. Yeah. And obviously, the movie's an Oscar nominee. and he starts getting these movies in like pre-production basically one over the other I think didn't even know which one he was going to make first and this one had Robert Redford attached. Robert Redford basically loses interest wading slash getting his ego bruised by Soderberg. Yeah.

Well, and it was around this time too. Soderberg was in line to direct quiz show was the other thing. And then Redford steps in, essentially, and takes that one over. So, like, stuff was happening between these two. Interesting euphemism stuff about Robert Redford. Read down a dirty picture. That is true. That is true.

Although, I will say that that, that movie just does a lot of poking of Redford in the ribs. But he certainly comes across better in the landscape of independent film than other people. Yeah. Yeah. One million percent. Um, but, you know, that's, that is a producer who was supposed to be attached to this movie is effectively not attached to this. I think he gets a screen credit in some way in this movie, I forget, but essentially disconnected himself from the film. Right.

I don't know. I feel like maybe it's just a different time. I think if we have a filmmaker, of course it would all be painted because sex lies and videotape was such a sense. I think today it's hard that it would be It would be hard to avoid these The following films today If these movies came out in a vacuum today It would be hard to avoid the sense of disappointment

But I think we would maybe do better by a filmmaker like Soderberg I think if we had someone who made Such distinctly different films right out the gate That were good Yes I think we would be really a good excited. This is, I think, what stays exciting about Soderberg, basically at all times. Even when Soderberg makes a bad movie, I'm still excited by Soderberg. It also feels like these days that this kind of filmmaker gets left to sort of pursue his own desires a lot more freely. You know what I mean?

For both good and bad, we've, you know, heard the stories about how, you know, Netflix essentially leaves their filmmakers alone, which is good if you, you know, have a filmmaker who can do that and it's less good when, you know, you have filmmakers who probably could have benefited from having to defend their film and notes and sort of, you know, trying to make things work. Stand in their choices. Yeah, yeah. So, but Soderberg, I feel like, yes, would have probably thrived in that, although

a lot of what he is today is sort of made by that crucible he sort of had to run through back in the in the 90s so you never know you never know Steve we love you indeed we forgive you for the launcher mat listen you make that many movies there's bound to be one or two that are terrible I mean this is true I was just listening but people are usually wrong about the so I mean this is also why I need to go back and watch full frontal another movie that I have dogged on, but it's probably great. I don't know. I mean, Solaris is, you know, F-Cinima score, right? Sure. Sure. But Salar's had a lot of people sticking up for it at the time,

critics-wise, whereas- I mean, great movie, incredible movie. But like, full-frontal, I don't know if to, I don't know, I don't know. A full-scale Soderberg re-watch would be a fun little project. And I could fill in the blanks and see the few films that I have in scene. Maybe this is the time I sort of latch on as enthusiastically to the lymie as everybody else does. I currently think it's a good movie, but like never really think about it, kind of at all. So we'll see. That's where I'm at with The Informant. Every time somebody, I see someone loving the Informant or even, God forbid, calling it one of the best Sotabergs. I don't know if I would go I'm always a little bit like, really?

I don't know if I would go to that. Great movie? Great movie. Really? You know what I enjoy when doing a rewatch, and this applies to Soderberg, is going, watching a movie again, finding a couple different things that you didn't really make note of the first time or like appreciate the first time, and yet still at the end of the day being like, no, I was right. Um, that's my story with Oceans 12, where I rewatched that semi-recent. And I'm like, no, all of this stuff with Vincent Cassell is really fun. Like the, you know, the dancing around the lasers and whatnot, like everything that he sort of puts in that character. I, of course, at the time and now, love the whole dumb little Cherry Jones thing. And I love the Julia Roberts joke. I think that's like, you know, genuinely the right kind of, you know, fourth wall breaking. Can you explain to me why people seem to think Oceans 13 is not just the weakest of the trilogy, but bad? Because I have a great time with that movie.

That's an... Okay. I feel like people just checked out, and they were like, all right, another one. I did. I checked out. And then I watched it again. And it's, you know, it's good to have on while you're like, you know, doing stuff. I don't know.

There's, I don't remember a single blessed thing about that movie. Honestown. Not even Ellen Barkin? No. She, I mean, yes. I believe it. But like, no. Well, no. Nothing stands out to me. It really doesn't. I don't know. I wish. I wish. Oceans 11 is a perfect movie.

It's a perfect movie. Good franchise. But maybe not even Soderberg's best franchise because let's not forget the finest franchise is the Magic Michael. You know, that is true in terms of sustained appreciation, yes. I think the first Oceans 11 does kind of blow the first magic mic out of the water. But in terms of like sustained success, yeah. Yes, because Last Dance is tremendous. And if you don't think it's good, you're wrong. I mean, I realize that there's various opinions in the world.

But this is when I am allowed to tell people that they're wrong. about. I like that movie. That was a fun movie. All right. All right. Let's get into King of the Hill. I've got a busy night ahead of me. Yes, that's very true. Joe, before we get into things like the plot description, laying the table for our listeners, would you like to talk about our Patreon? Yeah. It's called This Had Oscar Buzz Turbulent Brilliant. It's our Patreon. It is for $5 a month. You can join, and you can get two bonus episodes, full-length bonus episodes per month. One of those episodes is what we call an exceptions episode. That is a movie that fits all our usual criteria for what makes a this had Oscar Buzz movie, namely great expectations for awards

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Anybody who got here through some type of podcast app search looking for the Mike Judge television show, I'm sorry, go watch. Every time I have to go Google it for something, it's always the Mike Judge television show. Understandable. Maybe this is also partly why this movie has kind of died, because

the SEO has decided it doesn't exist. Only thing that this movie is missing is Britney Murphy doing a funny voice. Britney Murphy has a tiny baby child in this movie. Oh, my God, would have been amazing. Would have been amazing. The motion picture, King of the Hill, written and directed by one Stephen Soderberg, adapted from A.E. Hodgner's memoir, starring Jesse Bradford, Jaron Crabb, Lisa Eichorn, Adrian Brody, Karen Allen, Spalding Gray, Elizabeth McGovern, Cameron Boyd, Ashley Benson, Catherine Heigle, and one gum-chewing Lauren Hill.

Amber Benson, not Ashley Benson, I should say. Oh, sorry, I wrote that wrong. Amber Benson. Movie World premiered in competition at the Cannes Film Festival. We'll talk about it. opened limited August 20th, 1993. Not exactly the time. The day before my birthday. Did you go see this film? I didn't.

I didn't. That would have been amazing, but I didn't. What fun, what fun that would have been for me. Joe, are you ready to give a 60-second plot description of King of the Hill? Yes, with the caveat that so much of what makes this movie so fun is what sort of happens in between the plot. So with that said, but yes. All right.

Then your 60-second plot description for King of the Hill starts now. Okay, Tiny Baby Jesse Bradford stars as Adam Curlander, a 12-year-old in 1930 St. Louis, whose down-and-out family stands in stark contrast to some of the swells he goes to school with. So he makes up stories about his dad and pretends to know Charles Lindberg, while his kind teacher, Karen Allen, just smiles that giant Karen Allen smile at him. In reality, Adam is living in a downtown hotel with his father, a charlatan of a light bulb salesman, his mother who is coughing her way through the consumption, and his little brother, Sullivan. But when the Great Depression times get even tighter, the family sends

Sullivan off to live with an uncle and mom gets sent to the sanatorium to dry our lungs out. And with Papa being a rowing stone, Adam is left to his own devices among the eccentrics, epileptics and horrors of the hotel. Adrian Brody plays an older boy who be friends and looks out for Adam, but he ends up getting arrested for reasons. Adam proves himself to be resourceful, even as his father's creditors close in. The hotel threatens to evict his family and he doesn't have anything to eat. He's a keyed observer of the lives living in peril around him, while he simultaneously tries to bluff his way into the good graces of his more well-off cast-maids. Ultimately, Adam's cleverness gets his brother sent back home just in time for his

mom to return home and for his dad to find the next job that will keep the family together and healthy under a brand new roof, at least for the moment. Five seconds over. Wow. All right. Well done. I did sort of leave a bunch of like, again, you have to leave a bunch of like ephemera out. I didn't talk about, you know, his little... It's an episodic movie. Harrowing Night of the soul where it looks like he's dying of fever and he's hallucinating and Soderberg's just going but like not getting any skinnier because it's a child actor oh little baby fat on his face yeah it's true it's true they just they just give him more um eyeshadow jessie rogaret acts well okay i love i'm not saying he acts well in this movie i think that this is like maybe

the great unspoken of child actor performance of our lifetime wow He's, like, well, there is so much on his shoulders as a child. And he is a natural performer. This isn't a performer that feels like it was directed around or manicured by a director. But this is a young actor who's like, you watch something like, sorry, Issa Butterfield and Hugo. Oh my God, shots fired. I don't, yeah, he's a Butterfield catching strays. Just have not let go on that one for 15 years.

like, not, you know, there's no, like, Oscar clip scene in it, but I think that this is a really incredible child performance. He's super comfortable in his own skin. He's just, he's not trying too hard. He's not going for, you know, any lines. And like the movie doesn't push sentimentality, you know, the performance itself feels really grounded, but also idiosyncratic, but not like actory child. So much of this movie is his character sort of seeing things, right? He sees the homeless encampments across the street from his hotel. He sees that guy who was the artist from his building who got evicted, who, you know, he sees later living in the encampment.

He watches his brother go away on the bus. He watches Adrian Brody go away in the paddy wagon. But it's also so much of it is him navigating through his circumstances. to he's not like a shifty kid pulling one over but he does have to like yeah get in and out of these circumstances through his charms right right right um yeah i think i think it's a great performance yeah i've always liked jessie bradford back to um you know bring it on and that kind of stuff um always been a fan always been a fan of bradford um so yeah yeah Yes, so the, I want to talk about these children.

There's so many children. Right at the beginning, I sent you a screen grab of Catherine Heigel as his classmate. And it was one of those things. If you didn't catch her name in the credits, you're probably like going to spend the first half of her screen time being like, who is this child? I know this child. And then it's going to hit you like a ton of bricks. Like, oh shit. that's Catherine Heigel at like 12.

Well, she had been in movies farther back than maybe you realized because she was in that one awful movie. Is she in my boyfriend's back or my father of the hero? She's in my father of the hero. There you go. Which one is my boyfriend's back? I think my boyfriend's back is, it's not Michael J. Fox. It's like, it's a movie that exists as a VHS cover, not even movie that exists as a poster. Hold on.

I want to look up the poster for this now, though I want to look at. look at it. My father, the hero, also a movie that exists as a VHS cover, not even a poster. That's the movie where, um, I don't remember anything about it, except for the fact that, um, Gerard de Pardieu sings, thank heaven for little girls from Gigi. Yikes. And the other characters think that he is his daughter's, uh, boyfriend. Boyfriend. Yes. It's a whole, Ew. Bob Balaban directed my boyfriend's back, by the way. What?

The teenage boy comes back from the dead because he's determined to win the most beautiful girl in school. Director Bob Balaban. Nice work if you can get it. Yeah. Wow, Bob Balaban. I don't recognize any of these actors, though. Edward Herman, I guess, is in it. Mary Beth Hurd, your beloved Mary Beth Hurd.

Look at that. Love her. Philip Seymour Hoffman. I guess he was in a lot of things. Matthew Fax. So, like, none of the major stars are people that I know. But anyway, yes, Bob Balaband's, uh, timeless classic, my boyfriend's back. So you, the poster in question, I imagine, is the one where it's the girl, uh, leaning on the headstone.

Exactly. With the glasses, the sunglasses tipped off of, on her nose. And the, and her boyfriend sitting up out of the grave in his tucks with the flowers. I'm here. Like, I'm here. You rang? Yeah. Yeah.

boyfriends back. Okay. YOLO. No. Catherine Hegel was in my father to hero. Not YOLO. YOLT. You only live twice. Yolt. Why don't people say yolt? Oh, I guess you can't call that movie Yolt. There already is a yolt. Or is that, is that the Jane Vaughn movie? It's not the right title, you only live twice? It's, um, yes. Well, yes. Hold on. That's going to bother me. Hold on. You Only Live Twice.

Yes, 1967 James Bond film. It's one of the Conneries. So there we go. I kept confusing that one with Never Say Never Again, which is also a Bond movie. You Only Live Twice Again. Again. So, all right, the Gerard de Pardue early 90s thing, though, while we're on the subject, because it really does sort of demand at least cursory attention.

We imported him over in 1990. essentially, we said, hey, be Serino de Bergerac. Hey, be in this Peter Weir movie where you carry Andy McDowell over your shoulder on the poster, talking about movies that exist as posters. And then the next year, they were like, hey, be in this movie called My Father the Hero, where you are jet skiing. It is a French movie, but like we, you know, put it in our theaters. To impress a boy while on vacation with her divorced father,

Veronique presents that her father is her lover. Okay, so that's the plot of it. She pretends, that's right, she pretends, this is her scheme. It's her idea that her big gross dad, Gerard de Perdue, is her lover, so that she can, oh, but it's not Heigel. Wait a second. What's the Hegel movie that she was in? What's the Hegel movie that she's in with Gerard de

Purdue because I thought it was this one. Hold on. That's, hold on, Catherine Heigel. We'll get to the bottom of this. All right. So, but that's, that's problematic enough, my father of the hero. Um, Catherine Heigle is in. See, I remember watching her on, of course, Roswell. Um, oh, you know what? Why did I just like make up in my network? No, she's in my father of the hero. It's a remake of a French movie from three years before. So there's an American remake, both of them starring Gerard de Pardieu in the same role. That I didn't realize.

Yes, okay. So in the American version, it is Catherine Hegel as Nicole. We have entered the Spider-Verse. Well, Faith Prince is in this movie. Should we watch this movie? No. The Catherine Hegel movie we should watch is Bride of Chucky. So the tagline for this one on this poster.

First of all, Catherine Heigle's on one side. The boy who's not James Marsden, even though he looks like James Marsden, is on the other. There are her, you know, whatever, arms around each other, but there's space between them. And who's in the liminal space between them? Gerard Depardue holding a teddy bear. And the tagline says, Fathers have just one problem with raising their daughters. They grow up.

Gerard de Pardieu and my father of the hero. But in the VHS cover, he's jet skiing. Well, like, Catherine Heigel's like, oh, yes. Not James Marston on this boat. That's right. He's jet skiing. He's like, whoa, is he going to fall? Yeah, Gerard de Pardue, my father, the hero.

Wow, I'm glad we got to the bottom of that, the whole French remake of it all. In King of the Hill, Catherine Hegel is the girl who is nice to Jesse Bradford, but she's like the wealthy classmate that invites him over to the party. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. You keep expecting she's going to be the one who's mean to him. But she's not mean to him. The other boys are mean to him. Right. Because they're like, oh, there's always a charity case

at this party every year. A bunch of jerks. Bunch of jerks. Um... Just like in Salmord. Amber Benson is the epileptic girl down the hall. Down the hall in the hotel, really kind of a sweet scene where, like, she's sort of, she doesn't really go out much.

She's sheltered, but her mom's very nice. You sort of, that's again, this movie is zigs or zags where you expect it to zig. You expect the mother to be like this, like, horribly overprotective, just sort of, like, mean lady, but, like, she's very sweet to Jesse Bradford. And she's just, like, doing the best she can with her daughter who keeps having these seizures. And they eventually move away, correct? They do. Because everybody eventually moves away.

That's the other thing is this hotel is in the process of being sort of sold to people who are going to, like, shine it up, essentially. And so every, that's why the- And kick out Aaron's family. That's why the bellhop is trying to evict everybody. Yeah. Aaron can't really even make connections throughout. because it's like he systematically loses every member of his family taken away from him. And any person that he grafts himself onto is also, you know, a revolving door.

You can't expect him to be able to rely on his father when his father switched the provasic samples and got Dr. Richard Kimball sent to prison for murdering his wife. So, I don't know what he's supposed to do. I don't know what Jesse Bradford's supposed to do in this case. Every time I see Jaron Crab. Every time I see him. We used to have a real Jaron Crab type. And now where have they gone? You switch the samples.

I yell at him. You switch the samples. We imported Stell and Scars Guard, and then we no longer have Jaron Crabbs anymore. It's true. We really did kind of just swap them out. Man. He was so like, every time you just see his face,

just like, honestly, you know, you know who replaced Jaron Crabb is Christoph Valtz? We sort of traded in Jaron Crabb for a more cartoonish version of Jaron Crabb. And it's Christoph Valtz. Their faces are very similar. They could play brothers. This is also one of the reasons that I feel like the movie got buried is like Jaron Crabb was never really like, he's like a character actor here, stateside. And like Lisa Eichorn also character actor.

If this was today, you know, even made by Grammarcy, distributed by Universal, therefore, they would be like, well, the parents have to be people more famous. Yeah, totally. Carrie Coon and Tracy Letts. Amazing. Yes, totally. Also, movies that do not exist as posters and do not exist as VHS covers, King of the Hill. Because you look at that poster and it's like, oh, they didn't know how to market it. this movie. No. They had no idea. And then the VHS cover to try to make money on the VHS market

is like literally the same cover as hope and glory. Yeah. It is a child running. It's true. It's true. And this kid never smiles in the movie like he smiles on that poster, so I find it false. Right. It doesn't even look like Jesse Bradford on the running VHS cover. Baby Lauren Hill is the elevator operator, who again is around until she's not. Chewing that gum in split diopeter. There's a lot of that. There's a lot of that. Go off. They go.

They go. Yeah. No, it's true. A lot of knowing me, knowing you, kind of shots that ABBA, one person faces one way, one person faces that person.

Useful in moments where Aaron is realizing that somebody's talking about them. There's a bunch of them at that party scene at Catherine Michael's house. Yes. And then you have... The babiest of all babies. Adrian Brody. Who looks so sort of smooth of skin and unruly of tooth in this movie that it just looks like...

It's not like Tom Cruise and the outsiders. Adrian Brody kept those teeth. Well, he did keep the... That's the thing I respect the most about Adrian Brody. And this is why if he wins the second Oscar, by the time you're listening to this, you'll know whether he won a second Oscar or not. If he wins a second Oscar, I will be happy about it because Adrian Brody stuck with that look, and I love it.

It is a look that has character to it. It is a look that communicates some stuff, and I'm into it. He's very handsome, that Adrian Brody. In this movie, he's an older teen who steps into this big brother role for Jesse Brown. which, like, he desperately needs. He really needs an older brother because he's been left to his own devices. And so this guy kind of looks out for him, but also kind of shows him the ropes a little bit. When Jesse Bradford tries to move his dad's car so that it doesn't get repossessed by the cop who isn't John Polito, but is really trying to be John Polito.

Good performance. Oh, my God, but so cartoony, but a good performance. John McConnell. So Jesse Bradford just starts driving the car, even though his feet can't reach the brake, which becomes a problem. So Adrian Brody dutifully sort of runs after him. You learn to love this guy because he's the only person looking out for Aaron. And so... Well, and in a way that's like basically gives him his undivided attention more so than really anybody else does at any point.

movie. Right. And then gets arrested for, I've decided he gets arrested for. It's when the encampment gets raided. So I imagine he ran out and just sort of like tried to defend the folks getting raided. And the cop was looking for any excuse. Everybody, I feel like there was, there was an arrangement between, you know, the owner of the hotel and the bellhop and the cops and whatever to just be like, let's clear out this hotel as efficiently as possible. And if it means sending these people downtown and, locking them up, then so be it. But that's sad. It's really sad when they send Adrian Broding away because he really was the last person who was looking out for him. Like, no, no shade, no offense to

Spalding Gray, who has a drinking problem to deal with in this movie. But he's not equipped to look out for Aaron in this movie. He can't even get that hooker out of his hotel room. And played by Elizabeth McGovern, who is really over Aaron. It just does not. Does not get it. Is the only person who really just like could take or leave Aaron. I've, I did a intensive catch-up of the most recent season of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City the last couple weeks. And it reminded me that Elizabeth McGovern specifically in Downton Abbey is so Meredith Marks in terms of both look and tone of voice that I find it

unsettling. I don't know. Do you watch Salt Lake City? You should watch Salt Lake City. I watch all Real Housewives purely through osmosis. Yeah, no, that makes sense.

There's a lot you can probably find out about that. There's just a lot to catch up on too. So it's just like I I can't just jump on the moving treadmill. It's already, you know. I put it. But I bit the bullet. I fully skipped like two seasons of Salt Lake City, and it's just like, I'm just going to go into the most recent one, and I'll figure it out. And they did. So that was nice.

Yeah, Elizabeth McGovern is in there for a bit. Anybody else we have it? Oh, Karen Allen. Just the picture of playing a real Karen Allen type. Oh, a real Karen Allen type. Just a beatific. The ideal of the teacher that you have in elementary school who you will always. like love. You will always remember. You'll always, like, love that, like, the one teacher who really encouraged you. And the way she looks at him when she knows he's spinning this tall tale about Charles Lindbergh.

But because he's telling this story so skillfully, she's just like, this is good. You know what I mean? Like, this is good. I'll allow it. I'll allow it. It's great. It's great.

Um, love it. This movie. This movie. Yeah. Real good. The Cliff Martinez score. Oh, Cliff. You know I love some Cliff Martinez.

I didn't realize, I did not realize he was doing scores this far back, too. Well, it also doesn't really sound like when you say a Cliff Martinez score, you kind of get an idea in your mind of what that sounds like. It doesn't sound like that. Right. But it also doesn't sound like the cliche in a great depression movie score. No, it does not sound very cliche depression movie. It's really beautiful. I really like it.

There's moments that in another not as good movie could either be played as whimsy or just like shattering tragedy. Yes. And the movie falls probably exactly in the middle. And in that way becomes both more charming and more tragic. Can I tell you? Because it's never hitting a hammer on those notes. It is maybe the only movie ever that has a woman cough into a handkerchief. because she has tuberculosis

and she does not die by the end of the movie, spoiler. Like, it is miraculous. That has never happened in a movie before. For the second you see somebody... Very topical movie to our times. Someone has tuberculosis.

Wait, is tuberculosis going to come back? We have tuberculosis in Ohio, by the way. Oh, my God. You guys... Tuberculosis tastes like six months to cure. The movie is accurate in that regard. If we have to have tuberculosis, tuberculosis again, I want us to go back to calling it consumption. It's just a better name for things. It's just a more evocative name. I like it.

Right. You get all the gays together and be like, oh my God, how did Colin die? Tuberculosis. He died of consumption. He died of consumption. Yeah. Oh, work. That's cool. No, I want consumption back. I want the vapors. We've lost. Nobody's getting vaccinated for the vapors in this movie. This is a very sweaty movie. Oh, there's no air conditioning. It is very much summertime and the living is not easy. Like, it's, it's... Everyone's sweaty. Everybody's sweaty.

Everybody's very sweaty. I want to talk back, go back to the Gramercy of it all, though, because we did our little mini-series a few years ago on the films of Focus Features, and we talked about how Focus Features ends up being the end product of, um... October films, which merged with Gramercy to become USA films under the sort of like Aegis of Polygram, you know, under Seagrams bought Polygram, and then Polygram pulled in Grammercy and October films to form USA films, and then USA films sort of evolved into focus features. This is how you get the gorgeous 90s universal logo over a lot. of these Gramercy movies. Exactly.

But so specifically, this era of Gramercy, which lasts from about 93 to the end of the decade. Like, by the end of the decade, then, things that are getting produced, like you get, being John Malcovic, which I think starts off being a Gramercy movie and sort of by the end of it, is distributed by USA films. But so you know how 90s coded I am, and you really know how, like, 90s Indies coded I am. So, like, Gramercy is a really, you know, makes a big impression on me. And Gramercy, it doesn't take that long for them to hit in an awards sphere they have for weddings and a funeral.

That's, yes. Which is the very next year. Yep, yep, yep. Um, they work with some really interesting filmmakers just in general, obviously not just Soderberg, but they work with, um, you know, Danny Boyle and, um, Link later, Dazed and confused. Link later. Kevin Smith. They work with the Coens, obviously. Fargo being an example. Before we get too far into the filmography, though, I did create a game for us to play. Oh, let's do it. We haven't done Alter Egos in a while, so I'm bringing back Alter Egos.

Alter Egos Gramercy Edition. So all of the answers to this will be movies from the decade, almost decade, of Gramercy films that we got. So are you ready? When we play alter egos for everybody who hasn't listened to us, play this before, the game is, I give Chris three character names from three different movies. Chris then has to figure out who played each of these characters and then find the movie that all three of those actors were in together, and the answer is that movie. So I don't have an example, and I don't want to give any of these away for free. But Chris, you've played this game before.

We sure have. All right. So all these answers will be movies that were Gramercy, were distributed by Gramer. To begin, your characters are Cliff Booth, Mallory Knox, and Fox Mulder. Fox Mulder, is that not something X-Files-related? No. It is. I do TV and movie characters as I... That's Jillian Anderson. Did you say Amanda Knox? No, Mallory Knox.

Mallory Knox, and what was the first one? Cliff Booth. Fox Mulder, though, was not Jillian Anderson. Oh, that's David Toccovney. Yes. Okay. Is this California? It is California.

There we go. Fox Mulder, you correctly got eventually David Docovney in the X-Files. Mallory not. For an X-Fice person. Mallory not- Is Juliette Lewis and then... Natural Born Killers. And Cliff Booth is... Um, is that going to be like Brad Pitt in Wolf's?

Brad Pitt in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, his Oscar winning role. Yes, okay. Because we all remember that character name. Yes. Your next ones are Elrond, King Edward the 8th, and General Zod. Okay. General Zod, that could be Michael Shannon, that could be Terence St. I'm going to guess that this is Terence Stamp because I think we're doing Priscilla

Queen of the Desert. It is. Elrod. Elrond. Elrond is Hugo weaving in Lord of the Ring. Is that his name in Lord of the Rings?

His name in Lord of the Rings. Yeah, you know I don't care about it. King Edward the 8th is Guy Pearce in When would he have played? Is that like... When was he a royal? I'm going to guess like tulip fever.

The king's speech. He's the king speech. He's the king. Oh, right. The brother who abdicates to be with Rawlis in the king's speech. Yep. All right. Next three.

Gretchen Carlson, the V-Compte de Valmont, and Nancy Botwin. Okay. Ooh, Nancy Batwin. I know that. That's right there, tickle into my brain. Yeah. The V-com. DeVellmont, is that from Phantom of the Opera?

No, that's the V-Comp de Cheney. Yeah, but I thought there was another V-Comp de. No, just him. And the first name was... Gretchen Carlson? Gretchen Carlson. That's a bombshell name, right? Yes, yes. So, Charleet?

No, she's playing Megan Kelly. A demon Megan Kelly. Yes. Gretchen Carlson, also a demon. That's the Col Kidman? Yes. Ooh, Nicole Kidman and, what was the middle name again? The V-Compte de Valmont.

Okay, so someone in a French movie, someone playing a French person. What? I'm trying to think of the, is this like portrait of a lady, which would mean that, what was the third name again? Nancy Botwin. Nancy Botwin. I don't think that's portrait of a lady. Nancy Botwin is... Is that Barbara Hershey in...

It's not Barbara Hershey, but... Okay. It is the portrait of a lady. So you did get it. Nancy Botwin? I'm guessing... I'm guessing... I'm guessing...

Oh, in We... Yes. V-Cump to Belmont is... John Malcovich in Dangerous Liaisons. Yes, yes. Oh, duh, Valmon. Yeah, yeah. Your next three.

Rooster Cogburn, Clary Starling, and Babe Ruth. Rooster Cogburn is Jeff Bridges, True Grit. Babe Ruth. John Goodman in The Babe. Indeed. And what was that middle name? Clary Starling. Cleary Starling.

Maybe heard of her. Julianne. Oh, so this is the Big Lobowski. The Big Lobowski. Yes. Jeff Bridges, Julianne Moore, John Goodman, the Big Lobowski. All right. Your next three. Dallas, Mark Cohen, and Jennifer Jolie. Oh, Mark Cohen is Anthony Rapp in Rent. Yes. Dallas is, is that like a deathproof? death-proof name?

Nope. It's that like, well, it's obviously Matthew McConaughey in Dallas Byers Club. No, his name isn't Dallas. But... It is Matthew McConaughey in

something. Yeah. So is this Dazed and confused? It is Dazed and Confused. Dallas is McConaughey's character in Magic Mike. The,

of best Stephen Soderberg franchise. Jennifer Jolie is... People don't remember her name, really, but they remember her performance. I remember this as a pun because doesn't she play an actress when she's Jennifer Jolie?

Yeah, it's Parker Posey and Scream 3. Right, right. I'm doing terrible this alter egos. The past few times we've done alter egos, I was like, bam, bam, bam, bam. Well, I had to step up my game. All right. Your next one are Earl Hickey, Brenda Walsh, and Larry Gile.

Larry Jeeley is Ben Affleck. Yes. Is this also dazed and confused? It is not also dazed to confuse, although he isn't dazed to confused. Um, I guess this could be mall rats. What were the first two names? Earl Hickey and Brenda Walsh. I can tell you they're both television.

Okay. Brenda Walsh. Oh, yeah, you didn't watch this show. If you watched the show, you would know who this is. Earl Hickey does. Is that like my name is Earl? Is that Jason Lee? It is Jason Lee, and my name is Earl.

Very good. So is this mall rats? It is mole rats. Yeah. Brenda Walsh is Shannon Doherty in Beverly Hills 9-0-210. I didn't know. Yeah. That's what I figured.

If you watch that show, you would have gotten that in a second. All right. Next one. There's going to be all different groups and types converging to yell at me throughout this entire game this time. All right. A lot of different people I'm just like disregarding. Tiffany, Crystal Connors, and Cypher. Okay, Crystal Connors is Gina Gershan, showgirl.

Yes. I knew you'd get that one. Tiffany is Jennifer Tilly in Bride of Chucky. This is bound. Bound. Yeah. Yes. Any want to guess who Cipher is? That's got to be Pantaliano in Matrix? Yes, very good. Joe Pantiliano in Matrix. All right. Excellent. See, you got that one. All right. Bound. Your next three are Marianne Dashwood, Dr. Hu, and Brenda Chenoweth.

Well, a million people have played Doctor Who. It's true. Marianne what? Dashwood. Dachwood. Marianne Dashwood. Oh I know that Yes you do

There are easier names I could give you for her But I want to see if you can get it You want to make me really No I just want to see if you can get this one I don't want to make you suffer No I'll give you a easier one If Mary Ann Dashwood Is a British movie

So I think it's a British Yeah That played by like Kate Plains Blanchet? Oh, you're so close. Oh, okay. I thought you had it, but then you didn't have it. Give me the other names again?

Well, Dr. Who, one of the Doctor Who's. And then Brenda Chattanoeth. Yeah, so this is a British movie. Brenda Cheneweth, who is a TV character. Another Brenda. It's so close because it's Kate Winslet. It is Kate Winslet in. Who's played Doctor Who?

Christopher Eccleston? Yes. Is this Jude? It is Jude. The Jude, the obscure adaptation. Yes. Marianne Dashwood is Kate Winslet in Sensitability. Christopher Eccleston.

Oh, my God. I love that movie so much. And then Brenda Chenoweth is Rachel Griffiths in six feet under. All right. I wouldn't have gotten that. Winston Churchill, Irina Derevco, and Audrey Griswold. Audrey Griswold is

Juliette Lewis. Dang, all the people. Fordification. Yes. Winston Churchill, is that Gary Oldman? Yes. Is this Romeo's bleeding?

It is Romeo's bleeding. You want to guess who Arvina Derevco is? Who else is in Romeo? It's another TV role. It's Lena Olin from Ailius. Oh, there you go. Yeah.

All right. Next one. Seeley Johnson, V.I. Warshowski, and Emma Woodhouse. Sealy Johnson is whoopee for the color purple. Yep. Do you say Woodhouse? Emma Woodhouse. Is that Gwyneth?

It is, Gwyneth. As Emma Woodhouse? She's a woodhouse. Ha, ha, ha. Never again. Sealy Johnson, V.I. Warshowski, and Emma Woodhouse. Warshowski. V.I. Worshowski.

What is Whoopi in with Gwyneth? It's, Gwen, it's in so much, like. Mm. Instead of V.I. Warshowski, who I thought you would get, because it is both a character name and a movie title. Who else could I give you for this character, for this actress? Oh, so it's a lady. Yes.

Oh, it's Kathleen Turner. Yes. I do not. That made it harder. Somebody didn't rent V.I. Warshowski from Video Factory when they were a kid. This just made it harder, because what the hell is this movie that they're all in? Yeah. I can tell you that John Bon Jovi is also in this movie. Is this... No, this isn't duets.

No, it's not duets. Elizabeth Perkins is in this movie. John Bon Jovi's in this movie. And we just did John Bon Jovi in that movie line thing. I should have... Whoopi Goldberg made this movie and Boys on the Side within like a year of each other, and they were both essentially just like gal pals, like helping each other through movies. I didn't, is Gwyneth in Moonlight and Valentino?

Yes, Quineth is in Moonlight and Valentino. Wow, didn't realize that. Yes, all right, Moonlight and Valentino. All right, only a few more. Next one is Janet Weiss, Harvey Milk, and Maddie Faye Aiken. Okay, so that is, Janet Weiss is Susan. Yes. Harvey Milk is Sean.

Yes. Maddie Faye Aiken is Margo. Yes. Margo Martindale from? Oh, Dead Man Walking. Yes. Dead Man Walking indeed. Maddie Faye Aiken is Margo Martindale from?

Oh, August Hosec County. Yes, yes, yes. Did I send you the photo of Susan Sarandon as Eleanor Roosevelt in the Sixth Triple Eight? I've seen the Sixth Triple Eight. I know, but did I send you that screen, Graham? Susan's teeth in the 6th,0008. Susan's teeth, and she's wearing a hat that looks like she's wearing a flower pot on top of her head. She looks absolutely demented, utterly demented.

I will say the 6th AAA gets better as it goes. Yes, technically, in that it really would have had a hard time getting worse. I think that's a lot of faith for the state of movie making today to think that any. Me movie. Can't get worse. It was pretty bad. I thought it was pretty bad. All right. Last two. CZ guest, Lady Susan Vernon, and Claudio. This is a tough one.

This is in Middle East. Lady Susan Vernon is the one that immediately sparks in my brain, that I have to know that. Oh, Lady Susan Vernon is Kate Beckinsale in Love and Friendship. Yep. This is Last Days of Disco. It is Last Days of Disco, very good. I love Last Days of Disco. CZ guest is?

Um, I mean, it's Chloe, but I don't know what. From, uh, Feud Capote and the Swans. Oh, right. Chloe's great on feud. She is. Chloe's great and kind of everything. Everything, period. She's made that bad Sundance movie.

Period. She is, she's the poet laureate haters. She is a queen. Who Claudio is? given that you know what's last days of a disco? Who's the lead guy actor in that movie? Not Leah Schreiber. No, he's not in that movie.

Well, it feels like he could be. Robert Sean Leonard. Right. So Claudio from Much Adieu. Three Musketeers? No, from Muchadoo about nothing. Oh, right.

Oh, he's so bad at that movie. All right. And finally, your trio. Pedal Coil, Hector Barbosa, and William Shakespeare. So, Petal Coil is Judy Dench in the shipping news. Hector Barbosa is Jeffrey Rush in the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. What was the third movie? William Shakespeare, if you've heard of him.

Heard of him. Joseph Fines and Shakespeare in Love? Mm-hmm. What is this movie? Judy Dench. It's one of the roles that Judidensh got her paws on with Jeffrey Rush.

I don't know if I remember the two of them in a movie together. I guess this would have to be post-China. Unless, I did get those three right, correct? Did you? Did I not? Did you?

What was the first character name? Petal Coil. Oh, no, Pedal Coil is Kate Blanchett. This is Elizabeth. This is Elizabeth, yes. How dare you forget that Judy Dunch plays Agnes Ham. Oh, right. She is Agnes Ham, Julianne Moore's, wavy prows.

it's See, I was just remembering that she's related to Coil Coil. Yeah. No, that's a good thing. I got, I, I did that and I did not

investigate my own thought process. You were sabotaged by knowing. You were sabotaged by knowing too much about the shipping news. I was. All right, congratulations. We all know too much about the shipping news.

Chris, you survived another round of alter egos. Survived is correct. Do we want to talk about, Uh, 1993 Cannes Film Festival since, uh, SOTE went back there after, uh... Pretty famous one. He wins no prizes. Unfortunately. But you have a tie for the palm between the piano and Farewell My Concubine.

Both good movies. Farewell, you've seen Farewell My Concupine. I've never seen it. Yes. I think you would really like it. I should watch it. It's just watch it. Is it queer-famed? It's gay. It's gay shit. Okay. I want to do, uh, I made a list. of I want to do June

queer movies like I do Halloween in October where I do horror movies all months so I want to like patch up my blind spots so farewell my concubine would fit in quite well I've already made a list but you should

but I will take your suggestions send me the list and I will add some gate shit to it I shall because I have a bunch of stuff that like just just sitting on my hard drive that I haven't watched yet but yeah this is a really interesting it can line up in general. You've got, you know, some of your mainstays, right? You got your Able Ferreira's. You've got your Mike Lee's. Mike Lee is there for naked. Vinders far away so close, which is the Wings of Desire

follow-up. I believe Wings of Desire is a Palm winner. I believe you're right. Good old Ken Loach is there, as always. Hoosh Hashan is there for the puppet master. Joel Schumacher falling down That's pretty cool Really interesting movie Stephen Elliott is back After Priscilla Queen of the Desert For a movie that is pretty forgotten called Frauds

God Phil Collins Jeep creepers Stephen Elliot I believe Priscilla played in certain regards So that's like a step up. Oh, interesting. Well, I mean, deserved it from the first one. But, yeah.

Speaking of much ado about nothing, Kenneth Branagh was there in Maine competition with much to do about nothing. Yes, exactly. Anybody jump out of in certain regard that year? Scent of Green Papaya was in certain regard. Tron Hung from who did, oh, what was that movie last year? That was so good. taste of things slash potafu Potifu

Yes Interesting things Elsewhere In director's fortnight You have Ruby and Paradise You know famous American Early Independent Also menace to society

The Hughes Brothers And in the Critics Week sidebar You have Guillermo del Torres Kronos That's very cool So like you said Fairbara by concubine in the piano split the palm. Vim Vendors wins the grand jury prize.

Mike Lee wins best director. Holly Hunter, of course, wins best actress for the piano en route to winning everything for the piano that year. David Thuleus won Best Actor. Tran Unhung won camera door for Scent of Green Papaya,

which is pretty cool. Jim Jarmish wins the short film palm for coffee and cigarettes and then would eventually make the full- Featuraling, yeah. Yeah. It's pretty good. It's a really strong can.

It's like everything that they gave prizes to really holds up in retrospect. Mm-hmm. And it's one of those things where you look at it. It's like, surely there were, you don't have to give, so you don't have to double reward movies. I don't love when Cannes does that or does ties. But then again, the movies that are getting double rewarded are naked in the piano to, like, unquestionable masterpieces. Yep, yep.

Have you seen either Ken Loach's reigning stones or the puppet master, Hush Hashan's puppet. No, I have a lot of Hooshen to catch up to, and every Loach movie that I've seen I really don't like. I think When the Chakes-The Barley is good. You should do that. I do not love I, Daniel Blake. I hated it, actually. You said by Daniel Blake.

I said I, Daniel Blake. No, but you said to that movie. movie. Oh. By Daniel Blake. By Daniel Blake. That's, I mean, spoiler alert, he dies. That's not the nicest thing to say to I, Daniel Blake. Sorry. Sorry, Daniel Blake. If you ever wonder why junk plays can out of competition just so they can have a splashy, you know, red carpet moment. And you think that this is a new thing. Please go and look at the out of competition. line up for the 1993 Can Film Festival.

Yeah. Fucking Cliffhanger play. Cliffhanger and Mad Dog and Glory, which is not a very good rom-com starring De Niro, Bill Murray, and Uma Thurman. Like, it's a very middling rom-com. And you know I love 90s rom-coms, but like, my God. Cliffhanger, though. Clifhanger?

I would love to do a series, not for this podcast, obviously. But, like, I would love for somebody to program a series. on the most incongruous movies to play out of competition it can. Just the most, like, that was it, can't? Do you believe it? You can do that with movies that were in competition, baby. No, well, that's true. But, like, it just gets crazy.

And, like, they're playing alongside, like, the final Kurosawa film and the latest from Peter Greenway or whatever. Like, guys, what's happening? I also think largely they gave the right prize that I haven't seen Far Away so close I mean I love Wings of Desire too but maybe I'm a little skeptical that it's like just behind Wings of Desire prize wise I've liked even other vendor stuff you know I love perfect day perfect days um far away so close is about hold on I want to look this up because I have no idea oh Bruno Gans in a

in a Vim Vendor's movie, groundbreaking. Well, it's the sequel to Wings of Desire. Oh, it's the sequel to Wings of Desire. I'm sorry. Oh, okay. Well, does that mean that we're going to get a sequel to City of Angels? At this point, I think not. Are you sure?

If you're in line for the sequel to City of Angels. I think the only people in line to the sequel to City of Angels of the entire membership of the Goo Goo Goo Dolls. If they're all still together at this point. Actually, you know, did I tell you that? the Google Dolls and Dashboard Confessional are playing what you call it

are touring It's not anything I would like Confessional that doesn't make sense I mean those you are both the audience but largely I think that's two different audiences You're right

except for the fact that like nostalgia narrows as you get further away from it you know what I mean it's that Tom Wates lyric about like you know it gets smaller as you pull away At some point, it's just sort of like the whole thing just sort of goes into like 90s and

aughts. You know what I mean? Early odds. But it's not anything I would ever go out of my way for, but like, were I ever in town for, you know, when that was happening, I would absolutely go. I would 100% go. All right, what else do we want to talk about with King of the Hill? What was on this top 10 movies for Time magazine that year? I love that you were able to dig this out, Because you can't read anything on time now because it's all, what do you call it? Republican. Basically, yes. Okay, no, this time list, this is why I pulled this top ten movies.

They're number one, the Age of Innocence, correct. And it's just like... Oh, this is just all of them together. I was going to say, who's the critic? So it's The Age of Innocence, Schindler's List, little boy lost I don't know what that is In the name of the father

Fairmore my concubine The Snapper Which is the Stephen Freer's movie With Comini That I only remember Because it was a Golden Pope nominee Nightmare Before Christmas King of the Hill was eighth

Like water for chocolate Which is about food Right? This is about cooking Horny food Food makes you want to fuck. Food makes you want to fuck. And then Shadowlands, which is the Richard Attenborough movie with Deborah Winger and Anthony Hopkins. And then what were the worst ones?

They did not like... They called it basically the John Grisham movies were the worst movies of the year. That's... Okay, so 93 Grisham movies were the Pelican Brief and the firm. Like, kind of fuck off. So... Yeah, that's crazy to me. Boo.

Boo! No, time magazine, boo. And then your buddy, your pal. My favorite. Owen Glaverman. The piano was his number one, shortcuts number two. Days to Confuse, number three. You're a real one, Owen.

Is he though? Yes, for this reason, yes. Schindler's list four, remains of the day five. Menace to Society, six. Menace to Society is a movie that was like a really big deal in the moment. Remember it won the MTV Movie Award that year for movie. Good movie. And now nobody talks about either Menace to Society or Alan and El

Albert Hughes anymore. And all they really did was direct one bad movie about Jack the Ripper, and then it was over for them. It's kind of crazy. Agreed. All right. Much to do about nothing was there number seven. What's love got to do with it? Number eight. Fugitive, number nine, and then King of the Hill, right there at number 10. Anything egregious for Owen's worst. He shits on poetic justice for worst of the year. Fuck, off. Don't like that. bodies rest in motion also one of his worst movies a movie that exists as a title um i don't think i've ever heard of this movie it's like one of those like quintessential like gen x movies right where it's like you had singles and reality bites which like got respect but then you had like bodies rest in motion and two days in the valley and um oh god any number of other things yeah stoltz bridget fonda um i don't know Damn, this poster, this poster, this used to be a poster type, and like all movies that have this type of poster, where it's just the text, background, and then scattered photographs of the cast, if you can believe it, listener, this used to be a poster type that it was like, this movie is fucking cool.

Yeah, no, it's, hold on, I got to look at it. But now you look at the poster and it's like, this is lazy. Well, I mean, yes. But, like, this is, this would signify coolness in a poster. Oh, this font. Oh, my God. This is the Gregoraki font. This is the Doom Generation font, right?

Totally. Every photo has a different color filter. But, like, the Doom Generation also had a cool poster. Well, yeah, because the Doom Generation's a cool movie. Did I talk to you when I finally watched a movie? Nowhere recently? No, you haven't talked to me, because I have that box set. I have that box set sitting and waiting for the Oscars to be over so I can watch other movies again.

Nowhere is awesome. I've never seen that one, but I'm excited to watch it. Is that the one with Matt Kiesler in it? It has a lot of people in it. Wait, who's it? Hold on. I'm looking up nowhere. Iraqi movies are great because, like, even when they're not good, you're glad you've seen them.

You know what I mean? Like, even when they're just like, you know, not the best thing. Wait, this movie, this cast is crazy. James Duval... No, the cast of nowhere is insane. And the fact that it just, like, wasn't, effectively wasn't released. And you watch the movie and it's like, oh, yeah, this thing was kind of scrubbed from the face of the earth in a few years because music rights. Like, right. James Duval, who's up in all the Iraqi movies. The Iraqi actor. Rachel True from the craft, Nathan Bexton from Go, uh, who delivers my favorite line in Go when he says, so,

what to be doing for New Year's. Kathleen Robertson, who was also 902 and O. Debbie Mazar, Christina Applegate, Guillermo Diaz, Jeremy Jordan. Ryan Philippi, Heather Graham, Scott Kahn. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I can't wait to see this movie. You're going to lose your mind.

The actors that have, like, sex scenes in this movie, I was like, how did we not know at the time? Like, it didn't even have a VHS moment or an early DVD moment. It just, thank God, this movie got restored and is here for us. It's... Oh, I love it. Oh, I love it. I love it. That's just like what I was thinking the whole time.

I love that movie. I just love gay people. I love movies that just put a pull quote on the front, like, adds the focal point of their trailer, of their poster. We're very poster focused in this episode. The Nowhere poster has a quote from paper magazine. Um, sexy, psychedelic, dementedly funny With a sensational soundtrack

It's like clueless with nipple rings If you want me to watch a movie Call it Clueless with Nipple Rings And I'll be like, I am there I am right there You're not gonna like what I'm going to have to say about this But What?

It did make me feel like Well, Go is a poser Like Go is ripping off Go is mainstream, yes Pulp Fiction and Greg Arocki in a way that doesn't benefit Go. Go is very lucky to have those actors, I feel like. And I also, I watched that like a year ago,

and I was like, oh, no, no, I don't like Go as much. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. Go is still good. Go is still good. Very excited to talk to you about Nowhere when you watch Nowhere. I will watch it. I will talk to you about it. I'm very excited.

What's the third one in that? Because it's only three of them, right? It's Doom Generation, Nowhere, and something. Totally fucked up. Right. Okay. Very exciting. Very exciting. Okay. Anything else you want to say about King of the Hill or Soderberg or Jesse Brad? What was, all right? Give me a second to look up Jesse Brad's, the IMDB really quickly. Because he would seem like somebody who would have done a lot of TV, but he didn't really do a lot of TV.

I remember him having a role on the first post-Sorkan season of the West Wing where he plays this really annoying intern who's, like father was a grandfather was a senator or something like that. But by this point, he had been in presumed innocent, my blue heaven, something called the boy who cried bitch. Honestly, work. Christ. All right. Oh, looking at this poster, do not work.

Do not work. Stop, cease. The story focuses on Dan Love, a young boy with misdiagnosed mental conditions who slowly plunges the life of his mother. Candace into an unbridled chaos. So this is like proto-mommie, but like violent and bad. Yeah. But Adrian Brody's in that one too.

After King of a Hill, he's in Hackers and then Romeo and Juliet playing like the little one in both of those. Like he's just hop-scotch over Far from Home, the Adventures of the Yellow Dog. We had that movie on VHS in my home. Yes, we did. That's great. Good for you. The 90s had movies about just like animals.

animals and like the children that own multiple multiple okay so you had your benjee the hunted you had your milo notice you had your um home those are those are 80s you but there's the homeward bound movies there's um balto wait that was animated animated um what was the other one that i was thinking of oh you have your you have your like champagne of that which is fly away home Not a cat or a dog Ducks Birds Birds

Ducks Yeah yeah yeah Yeah Um I mean technically Babe kind of qualifies this But babe's kind of A another thing

Babe's a transition point But then like you would start Yeah You start getting towards the bottom of the barrel And maybe this is all happening simultaneously You get things like Paui P-A-U-L-I-U-P-A-U-L-E Polly

Polly right About the parakeet The parakeet What was the Tina Majorino one about the seal? Can I... Oh, that was Andre. Andre.

Also, Ed. Ed. Ed. Who was the one with Matt LeBlanc and he played baseball? I think that's just Ed. Eddie was Whoopi Goldberg. What if Whoopi Goldberg was a coach? You have Born to Be Wild, the My Girl 2 guy, the My Girl 2 last action hero actor with monkeys. Right.

Dunston checks in. Buddy, René Russo in Buddy, Mighty Joe Young with, the ape, the ape gorilla monkey movies are their own subset because, like,

there's also like Congo and Mighty Joe Young and Georgia the jungle. Far away home is not one we really talk about. There was also a white fang that did, Disney did. Yes, Ethan Hawk. Ethan Hawk was in white fang. Yes, you're totally right.

Wait, but I'm, But on the Pauley tip for a second. So you know how I watch The Floor? Best New Game Show on television on Fox. It had the post-Super Bowl slot this year. So it was right after the Super Bowl, you watched the season premiere of the floor. And so the game apparatus of that is you have a category

and they just flash you images on screen for that category and you go back and forth naming what it is. And if you can't name it or you have to pass, you have to like wait five seconds for the next one to come up. So, like, whoever runs out of time first loses. And so the topic, each person on the floor has a topic. And so if you get challenged, somebody challenges you, you do a round in your topic. So somebody challenged the person whose topic was pets.

And so it's just a succession of photos of pets. And every single time, there was a bird that looked quasi-parat-like. I kept being, like, parakeet. And there are so many other things that are not parakeets that are parrots or cockatiels or... Butchies. Yes, all of these things. And finally, like, five in, it was finally a fucking parakeet.

So I would have lost that one. I'm still waiting. Your hatred of animals continues. This is what I'm saying, but I also wouldn't have challenged somebody on the topic of pets for this very reason. Somebody had... Somebody's topic was Tony Award winners. Oh, the guy from Clerks is on this season, and his topic is convenience store items. He hasn't been challenged yet.

Jesse Bradford, though. Jesse Bradford, though. Okay. So he's the designated kid one in both hackers and then Romeo and Juliet. He's the one who kind of ruins it for everybody in Romeo and Juliet, where he delivers the message erroneously to Romeo that Juliet has died. and we end up with two dead teens on our hands, two dead beautiful teens. I think the next thing people really notice him in,

he's in that movie Cherry Falls, which is a slasher movie about like, it's like specifically is just like, oh, like virgins are getting killed or whatever. Brittany Murphy's in that one. So, but the next thing he gets noticed in is bring it on, which. Great love.

The fact that there is any male whatsoever who, like, can, like, register in that movie. Register in that movie is a real feat. Because it's like, this is not about you. It's a real feat because, like, you've got a lot. And, like, he really does register in that movie. I think he and Kirsten have really cute chemistry together. And it's really wonderful. And then his next big thing a couple years later, he's in swim fan, which iconically, this is sort of, so as we round the corner into the early aughts. What happens is all the, like, fun 90s stuff gets a little bit worse, but the hype for it gets a little bit more aggressive slash insidious. I feel like, this is when you're sort of getting into the TRL era. Yeah. I feel like the marketing felt a little

too slick. I don't know. Maybe it was because I was older. But, like, I feel like with swim fan, more and more often it felt like we were sort of being sold to bill of goods. And it was stuff like Swimfan or The Skulls or, um, I'm trying to think of what other movies around that time felt like, I'm like, I don't know, man. Like, I don't know if I trust this. But Swim fan, I always sort of felt that way that we were getting a little sort of, you know, less than what we bargained for, but we were sort of being aggressively sold it. But anyway, swim fan is dumb and fun,

and I enjoy it. But, like, you know, it is. Isn't swim fan, like, emails? No. Well, I mean. She, like, terrorizes him through emails. There are definitely emails. And texts.

But it's like, it's fatal attraction, but, like, with teams. With college swimming and emails. And he's on the swim team. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. They're in high school, not college? I think it's high school.

I'm pretty sure. Let's see. Yes. Chesa Bradford might have been one of those people who was in high school for a decade in movies. Yes. Well, yes. But, like, he kept getting hotter as he got older, which is the mark of a true actor. He's in 2005's happy endings in the ensemble of it's the Don Roos movie.

It's sort of his follow up to the opposite of sex. But, like, Kudrow's in that movie. Maggie Gillenhall's in that movie. Exactly. Knavallai's in that movie. Laura Derns in that movie. Jason Ritter's in that movie. But so,

um, Jesse Bradford plays, I think he's, so Kudrow is like looking for her birth mother, I think. No, no. She's looking for the,

kid that she gave up for adoption when she was like a teenager. And so he is playing this like dirtbag, um, like documentarian who is helping her to do that. But he's like completely scuzzy, but also like wearing tidy witties through like most of the movie. And I do not remember this plot thread whatsoever, but I will be rewatching happy endings whenever I can. It's good. Um, it's worth it. God, he's in W. He's a character called Fatcher in W. I don't know what's going on there. Oh, unfortunately he's in

that I hope they serve beer and hell movie. Remember that? Oh, boy. Tucker Max. Remember that? It was a bad time. Rough. It was a bad time. And then he hasn't really sort of emerged.

I feel like we are due for like a Jesse Bradford like third act. Right? Good actor. He's a good actor. He's a good actor. What's he been in recently? What's his latest credit?

He was on the new Magnum PI for an episode. He needs better. Let's do better for Jesse. Guys, somebody reach out to Jesse Bradford. I went better for him. All right. King of the Hill. Good movie.

Listener, if you haven't seen it, please seek it out. I'm sure it'll be back on the channel at some point. Do you find out weird that one of the things they have in Wikipedia and the little box that has their, like, vitals, that one of the thing they have is their signature. Oh, that's weird. I don't like that. For what?

To what end? To what end? Besides, like, forging checks. What are we doing knowing what Jesse Bradford's signature looks like? I don't like it. I don't want to know. I don't like it either. All right.

Joe, should we move on to the IMDB game? Yes, let's. Oh, would you like to explain the IMDB game? Yeah, every week we end our episodes with the IMDB game where we challenge each other with the name of an act. actor or actress, and we try and guess the top four titles that IMDB says they're most known for. If any of those titles are television, voice only performances, or non-acting credits, we mentioned that up front. After two wrong guesses, we get the remaining titles

release years as a clue, and if that is not enough, it just becomes a free-for-all of hints. That's the IMDB game, Joe. It's been a minute since we've done an IMDB game, just me and you. We've had a ton of guests lately. Yes, we have. What are we doing? What are we doing? Me and you. I will give first. Why don't I do that? All right.

What do you have? So I went into the aforementioned Bring It On, one of the great teen movies of our time. Very much. I was surprised to learn that we've never done this person, even though I know we both like them very much. It's a Gabby. It's Gabby Union. We've never done Gabriele-Hen. All right.

So hit it. Well, bring it on. yes um given the time of when we're recording this i'm going to say almost christmas not almost christmas although she's great in that i love her in that uh love in basketball no what are you talking about she's not the lead in love in basketball i don't know what to tell you um she is prominent in that movie i know well she's not the lead and bring it that's a classic movie everybody loves that whatever All right. Two strikes. So your years are 1999, 2003, 2003, and 2003. You're going to end up being kind of annoyed by what this known for is. Not because they're impossible to guess, but because they don't represent her at all.

Not her at all, but just like, it's not. Isn't she, 99, isn't that like she's all that? It's not she's all that. Although I think she is also in she's all that. Isn't she? Hold on. 1999. Yeah. She's in She's all that. This particular movie. She's in five episodes of Seventh Heaven around this time.

And one episode of the Clueless TV show. There was a Clueless TV show? Yeah. I did not remember that. Elisa Donovan, who was in the movie. Wait, both Stacey Dash and Elisa. Donovan and Donald Faison all reprised their roles from the movie. Oh, man.

Alicia Silverstone did not, as did Twink Kaplan and Wallace Sean and Julie Brown. Wow, so many people. Okay, so is she all that 99 or is that 98? She's all that is 99. Okay. So it's got to be, it's got to be something like that. It is. Is she in 10 things I hate about you? She is in ten things I hate about you. I thought so. Yep. Okay, so two 2003 movies.

Yes. Okay. And they're not representative of her, so I'm guessing. Well, that's not really, that's not necessarily true. I think one of them I would say is not really in the top echelon of movies I would name for Gabriel Union. The other one is. I would just say, I thought you meant, like, these are boy movies. One of them is.

Okay, then was Bad Boys 2 in 2003? Yes, it was. Okay. I didn't remember that as being that year, but I guess it was. You know how I remember that Bad Boys 2 was in 2003? Because my friends and I went to go see Pirates of the Caribbean, Curse of the Black Pearl, for like the second or third time at the drive-in. And I remember at the drive-in, because,

of course, at the drive-in, you can look and see what the other screens are showing. And on one of the other screens was Bad Boys 2. And on one of the other screens was Terminator 3. And I got spoiled on the ending of Terminator 3 by looking over and seeing what happens at the very end of that movie. Do you remember what happens at the very end? Yeah. Hashtag spoiler culture. Hashtag no spoilers culture.

Try living with the drive-in, bitch. Okay. So, oh, three. I'm guessing it's another boy movie It's not another boy movie Necessarily Is it a rom-com then? Yeah, yes

Is it just not one of her good rom-coms? I don't remember it being particularly good But like, she's definitely the star Oh, it's deliver us from Eva. It's deliver us from Eva. Yeah, she's the title character. She's definitely the title character. I just don't like, it's not great.

It's, you know. I mean, it could be worse. Like, running with scissors could be on there. But, like, this top four should be bring it on. Love in basketball. Love and basketball. Almost Christmas. The inspection and almost Christmas.

Yes, exactly. She's so good in the inspection. She really is. She genuinely is. Anyway, um, deliver some even makes sense. She's, you know, she's a title character. Yeah.

Um. What do you got from? So for you, I went into the television King of the Hill cast, and for you, I have chosen Stephen Root. Stephen Root. There are two television shows. I love, fucking love Stephen Root.

Are they news radio and Barry? They are Barry and another television show. Okay. So one incorrect guess. So wrong that he's got two TV shows that are not news radio. He's so funny on news radio. Stephen Root's other TV show. All right.

Putting a pin in that, two movies for Stephen Root. Is one of them... Is one of them... Um... Oh, brother, we're art, though. No, incorrect. Joe... Yeah.

What are you doing? I don't know. What are you talking about? What was my lead-in into giving you Stephen Root? Oh. Okay. Stupid. All right, King of the Hill, but now I need, now I get a year for...

Your years are 99 and 2004. These are both movies. What are they again? 99 and 04. All right. 99 is office space. It is office space. That's why I was also like, what are you doing? Well, office space, I, like, yes, you're right, but also, like, I don't think of office space first. 04? 04.

Oh, 4. Literally, before I thought of office space, I thought of the tragedy of Macbeth. Like, this is how my brain works. O4 Stephen Root. Is it another, like, broad comedy? Very much so. Is it, like, a Sandler? No.

Is it another, like, Mike Judge kind of a thing? No. It's very mainstream. I don't think this was at the time, much of a hit as it was expected to be, but then, like, once it's on DVD, everyone's quoting this movie. It's on FX, like, basically around the clock. Is it the hang? Not the hangover, those two, those later. Is it a feral? No, but you're getting warmer. Right. Okay. Is it, not a Will Ferrell, but in that

neighborhood. Is it, um... I'm looking through the cast list now to be like, does Will Farrell have a cameo. Right. I don't think so. So Wedding Crashers is 05. Will Ferrell is in Blades of Glory. Is he in Talladega Nights? Right?

Will Ferrell? Yeah. It's not a Will Ferrell. This movie is not a Will Ferrell. Right. That's why I'm trying to wonder, like, which ones they should rule out. It's, is, no, Talladegan Nights isn't. 04. Anyway, so I don't know why I'm doing Talladega mates. Um, uh, is it John C. Riley?

No. You're getting colder now. Okay. All right. You were getting especially warmer when you mentioned wedding crashers, but... Because... Not wedding crushers, obviously, because Will Ferrell is not in this movie. Right. Steve Brut is in this movie. I know. Um, Dodgeball? Dodgeball is correct. He is in Dodgeball.

He's just, I'm, I kept thinking he's not the guy who throws the red one. You conflate him probably with Rip Torn. I was doing that. I was doing that. I was like, no, it's Rip Torn, but he's the other guy. I think we're good on Dodgeball. Like, I probably laughed at the time to Dodgeball, but I think we're good. I thought Dodgeball at the time was so fucking funny.

I really, the, this, there's, there was an outtake reel just of Justin Long getting hit with the, the ball shooting machine. And it was, Justin Long was born to be hit with, pelted with dodge balls and, like, have his, like, head whip around. It's just very funny. Maybe I'm just a Justin Long fan more than a dodgeball fan. And you know what? I'm fine with that. I'm happy with that. And on that note, that's our episode.

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