This Had Oscar Buzz - 354 – Best in Show

Episode Date: August 11, 2025

Grab your half-butter-half-salt popcorn because this week, we’ve got something to make you howl! After the critically-hailed success of Waiting for Guffman, Christopher Guest returned with another improvisational comedy set in a world of deeply specific eccentrics played by an ensemble of geniuses. Best in Show is set in a world of competitive dog shows, with all the … Continue reading "354 – Best in Show"

Oh, oh, wrong house. No, the right house. We want to talk to Marilyn Hack, Maryland Hacks and French. Dick Pooh. That goal is that best in show ribbon. Actually, poodle means puddle in German. You want your busy bee? Come get your busy bee.

God, who's it? She doesn't get her door. She's going to flip out. It's not in here. You left it at the hotel. Go to the hotel and get busy me! That's my favorite. The miniature schnauzer.

You'd think they'd want to bring. Read them bigger, wouldn't you, like grapefruits or watermelons? Don't look at the fat. Losers or freaks. You look at me! He went after her like she's made out of ham. Hello and welcome to the This Had Oscar Buzz podcast, the only podcast that was sick and tired of everything when we called you last night from Glasgow. Every week on this had Oscar Buzz, we'll be talking about a different movie that once upon a time had Lofty Academy Award aspirations.

But for some reason or another, it all went. wrong. The Oscar hopes died, and we're here to perform the autopsy. I am your host, Chris Fyle, and I'm here, as always, with the man. I can spend so much time talking or not talking with Joe Reed. Did you enjoy your snow peas? That's maybe my favorite part of that whole thing. We love snow peas and talking or not talking. That is maybe the most memed moment of this movie. Yes. And there really are just like gems. everywhere, maybe less memeable things. The one that I really crafted onto was Parker Posey and Michael Hitchcock. We were so lucky to be raised among catalogs. Raised among catalogs. So that happened

so early in the movie. And I remember going to see this movie with my cousins because we all really loved waiting for Guffman. And that line immediately was like what sold us. What like like, you know, locked us in. The thing about them meeting at Starbucks, but not the same Starbucks, they were at Starbucks across the street from each other, and then the next week, they had each gone to the different Starbucks. And how they can place their, like, evolution in time through what their Starbucks order changed to be, yeah.

And you were reading the J.Crew catalog, and of course, J.Crew was very important to me at that time. And they've both got the adult braces. That Weimer Honor should have gotten, like, you know how anti-dog in award season I am. And even I will say, that Weimer Honor should have gotten a supporting actor nomination. It should have gotten an ugly nomination, I should say. Because the deadpan looks that they would get from that dog, absolutely perfect. 100%.

loved it um i this one's been on our list for a very long time and we've avoided it because almost like it's almost like you had like the last known prozac in the world and we're like we got to save it until we like really need it and and finally i think we were just like you know what are we waiting for um bust you know break break the glass we're gonna uh you know this country is going to hell on a hand basket we're gonna honestly our august line is so, like, fun. It feels like we're having, like, a let's have fun miniseries. Too much fun.

Maybe our last episode this month needs to be, like, bummer town. We haven't figured out what the very last one is. Maybe we need to, we need to, like, set the balance. My least favorite lips ink song, Bummer Town. The sad sequel to Funky Town. Yeah, best in show, the second, would you consider Christopher Guest Mockumentaries to have like a canonical quadrilogy? And then everything that has sort of come after that has been a little less. Yeah, Mascots is not canon.

Mascots isn't real. I think the thing that we like pulled the trigger on is there's a spinal tap two coming out, which like, what? What can you say? We're doing Spinal Tap, too, I guess. But, I mean, like, this is the thing. It's, it's always been kind of odd to me that we don't consider Spinal Tap in the Christopher Guest movies, even though it's a Rob Reiner movie. It's a Rob Reiner movie, but it is very much like it is a mockumentary in, with the Christopher Guest sort of troupe of, you know, of actors. And it's setting the template for what these movies would be. I think there is a little bit. more like Rob Reinerie-ness to Spinal Tap. Yes. It's interesting that Harry Shear is in neither Guffman nor Beston Show, right? Yeah, yeah.

Which, I think, it allowed guest to, and I guess McKean doesn't show up until this one. So really, he sort of, like, is slowly adding back in. It's like when you, it's like when you fold in a meringue. into chocolate ganache, to make a chocolate souffle or whatever, it's just like a little bit at a time. Just a little, one dollop in, and you fold it in, one dollop in, and you fold it in. That's Christopher Gast adding the spinal tap members back into the mix by the time a mighty wind comes along, and he's got the folksman there. Of this quadrilogy, though, you know, there's certain elements to the Christopher Guest mockumentary style, and, there is like you know doses of bummer town that go into it and maybe like for your

consideration is too far into like maybe that's not even like bummer town it's just more it's too it's very acidic it's very i think the i think you it's a it's you know it's a cliche of a metaphor but the acid and base you know sort of balance the pH balance of these movies, that you have to get them right. And I think, um, I think for your consideration it's too tart. It's too acidic. It's also just not as funny. It's the least funny of the main four. And I think some people, although I was not one of them, saw a mighty wind as being a little too sweet, a little too, you know, sentimental. And with the Mitch and Mickey stuff and the, you know, all that.

And I think, to me, I think if you're looking for sort of narrative satisfaction, I think Guffman and a Mighty Wind have both stronger narratives. I think best in show is, to me, the flat out funniest. And it's also the one that gets that acidity exactly right, where it's, you watch it again this time. I'm like, this movie is absolutely ruthless with such a light touch. You know what I mean?

It's such a light touch, but it really just, like, it does not hold back in, you know, making fun of these people in this really gentle way that I find to be a real triumph of tone because it's not easy to do. I think a lot of movies that try to do the Christopher guest thing end up being too mean. spirited. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes. And I think that kind of just comes from more of an interest in eccentricity, not a judgment in eccentricity.

And some people may disagree with me, especially maybe for like waiting for Guffman. This one, I understand why it's the favorite for most people you seem to talk to and why people think it's the funniest. This one, every time I watch this, I'm like, but I want some more human connection in a way that you get it in Guffman, you get it in a Mighty Wind, where there is kind of... There's more of a central story. Yeah, and there's a bitter sweetness to some of it. Like, I don't feel anything for any of these characters at the end of the dog show, you know? That being said, that's just why it's not, that's not a criticism of the movie because the movie is what it is.

Yeah. It's just me explaining why this is never my favorite of these movies. Yeah. And I think even for your consideration, there is like a... Marilyn Hack is a strong central storyline. That is the most storyline, it's the most storyline intensive of all of them. It's really telling this story that has like ups and downs and twists. and turns and whatnot. Mighty Wind has that a little bit, but ultimately just becomes this sort of,

you know, showcase. Certainly waiting for Guffman has, you know, narrative stuff. This, Best in Show has a couple of like speed bumps, right? Speed bump. They can't find Busybee. Speed bump. What's her name? Cookie injures her knee. Speed bump. I mean, those are really good ones. They can't check into the hotel. They can't take into the hotel. Right. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And maybe that's one of the things about four-year consideration. I don't want to talk too much about four-year consideration. No, I don't know. I've always said, like, our last episode will be for your consideration. Yes. But, like, maybe one of the things that works about it is that it's so, the story is so obviously Marilyn Hack, or Madeline Hack, whatever name is? Maryland. It is Maryland. Maryland. That the ecosystem around her

is so unbalanced because it's so much about her. Yeah. And, but even for your consideration does have that, like, human element because there's the actor who gets the Michael Shannon nomination. Yes. And then you're like, oh, that's actually kind of lovely. Sure. You know.

Yeah. That is like a heartwarming moment of that movie. Yeah. I think the closest that Best in Show comes to it is Jerry with his two, like, left feet and being the kind of put upon husband, you know, he's constantly having to deal with like people coming up to cookie and being like, didn't we have sex 20 years ago or whatever, he finally is the one to triumph, right? The unlikeliest of our main characters is the one to triumph. Like that is the closest that this movie has to a, you know, an arc. And, and certainly,

you know, you can say, like, in a somewhat more minor way, Christy Cummings and what's her face? What is her name in this? Coolidge's character's name is Sherry. Christy Cummings and Sherry, you know, sort of getting together is something of an arc. But, like, you really don't, like, what is Christopher Guest's character's arc in this? Like, not really much of anything. He ends up in a kibbutz in Israel at the end.

of the movie to clear his head. And, you know, Stefan and Scott just sort of like keep on, keeping on, you know, they're, you know. Yeah, Christopher Guest is the only one who gets his own story. He's the only, you know, show, what do you even call these people? Show, they're not show dogs. I'm not going to call them dads. Show parents. Uh, yeah. Show coaches, show owners. Sure. He's the only one that doesn't have. you know, someone to play off of. Someone to play off of, which is fine. It's very much like Christopher Guess is like, I got this.

He's just fine on his own, though, because he's got some of my, like, the things that still make me laugh consistently maybe come from him. The way he does, like, he's singing the song and he keeps going like, like, he's making the weird little, like, mouth sounds as he's singing along to himself in the car is so funny. The first time you see him, I laughed on this watch just because that red hair is so funny. also this is best in show has i think of all of the sort of the four major guest movies has maybe my favorite um sort of tossed off asides where if you really if you're you know if you're not paying super close

attention you do kind of miss them and that means you can watch it again and again and keep getting more stuff the thing i got this time was um when christopher guest is getting ready to leave and it's Will Sassau and the other guy are sort of sending him off, right? In the, in the, is he in the Winnebago or, right? Jerry and Cookie aren't in the Winnebago. A guest is in the Winnebago. Movie with conceivable, multiple Winnebagoes. And Will Sassau goes to him, he's like, you're going to get any duck hunting in?

And Christopher Gassas is like, no, we're going to a dog, we're going to a dog show. And then after like another minute, Sassau goes to the dog and he goes, what's the dog's name? The dog's name is fucking well this is going to bother me Wait The dogs, his dog's name is Hubert

Is his dog's name Hubert You gotta You gotta say something We really do need an IMDB cast listing For each of the dogs Huber, okay So he goes up to Hubert And he's like, hey Huber

Hey Huber, you gotta catch some ducks You gotta go catch some ducks Or, no, it's fishing, right? It's like, you're going to go catch some fish? You're going to go catch some fish? And it's just like, hey, the thing that Harlan said about them not going fishing just like completely went over his head and off the window. And then as they're driving away, it's one of my favorite lines from the first time I ever saw, which was, if you get tired, pull over. If you get hungry, eat something.

That line and the one with the flex where the Jerry's talking about the thing. they're going to see in Philadelphia, and he goes, we're going to go to the cream cheese factory. And the guy goes to his wife, he's like, hey, honey, they're going to go to Philadelphia. They're going to go to the cream cheese factory. And she just screams. She's just like, ah!

She's so happy. I want to go to see where they make the light cream cheese. Incredible, incredible, incredible. Jokes on jokes, on jokes. I love this movie so much. I mean, it plays the least. to the joke, too. It just moves at a clip that, like,

it doesn't mind if you laugh or not. Yeah. The other one is when Jerry makes the joke to Scott about, because he's got the name tag that says, hello, my name is Mary. And then he, like, does my favorite Jerry thing where he just looks at Scott's pants, which are these, like, skin-tight leather pants

with red embroidery. And he goes, did you do the embroidery on all that? And Scott's like, yeah, he was, you know, give me skin tight leather and red thread. I'm in heaven. And Jerry is so impressed. And he just goes, you must be very proud, Mary. And everybody stops for a second. And then it's like, oh, what a joke.

And then the thing I noticed this time was Michael Mekine just goes like, very boomer-friendly humor. It's so good. It's so good. Give me that pepperoni. I just want to feel it in my hands. I just want to hold it. I just want to hold it in my hand. Here's, all right, here's what I will say.

Michael McKeon and John Michael Higgins. Certainly, you know, Michael McKeon is married to a woman. I don't know John Michael Higgins' story. As far as we know, two straight men playing these characters, one of the most realistic depictions of a gay couple. John Michael Higgins is heterosexual. One of the most realistic depictions of a gay couple I've really kind of ever seen. They hit such a true note to me.

The way that they get so, like, non-toxically catty when they're talking, when they see Christy Cummings before they see her making out, but when they see her with the haircut, and it's perfect. It's absolutely perfect. I have already said that the joke about Scott packing the kimonos, I know that it's true because my podcast co-host right here lived it. How dare you? You drag my business onto this live mic. Do not talk about me or my business ever again. No, I just think, do you not agree with me that, like, they're incredibly, like, I know people. I know people who have made those dumb, like, Scott's making, you know Scott's on Blue Sky making top and bottom.

jokes to this day, right? Like, you know it. You absolutely know it. So just meat. So what you're saying is just meat. I love him. I love him so much. Also, the late great Fred Willard in this movie, who, again, it's just like, it's not

even punchlines that he's saying. It's just he is speaking extemporaneously, wildly unqualified for the position that he's in and just saying the most wild things and that in and of itself is funny but it's not like here's where you laugh. This is the punchline. Right.

Well, and then it's the reactions that the other guy whose name, the guy who plays Trevor Beckwith. Jim Piddick who like this is the thing about singling out Fred Willard because we'll get into it. He's the one who kind of gets the performance recognition for this movie. Yes. That performance

I mean, like, is great. So funny. Probably my favorite performance in the movie. Yeah. Yes. But like, it's not as funny without Jim Piddick. Jim Piddick, who is also like the straight man to the funniest joke in A Mighty Wind, which is the thank God for model trains. Otherwise, they never got the idea for the big train.

Absolutely. It's still so funny. It's never not funny. But the thing about Willard's character is he'll, he's, it's not even. it's it's it defies um it defies just being one note like some of the jokes that he says are sort of bawdy and some of them where he just says um when he's making like shitsu jokes and they're just like really like some of it's just like low great stupidity where he's just like now why do they run around in a circle like that away why do they run away from from the people

like that it's just like what are you talking about you're just so funny And it's, the thing is, I think it's not even the funniest Fred Willard movie, a Fred Willard performance in a Christopher guest movie, like, obviously, hey, what happened. Well, that's the thing. He comes back in a mighty wind, and he's Mike LaFontaine. Hey, what happened. And it's like, and it manages to, well, it's a different thing, right? The penis reduction surgery in waiting for government. But did you, have you ever seen, because the other thing about Willard's character in this, is that it's so incredibly true to life.

If you've ever seen the way that TV networks will pair in these sort of, like, specialized, you know, specialized sports or just, like, odd events like this, they will pair a stone cold expert with just one of their, like, meat and potatoes, the play-by-play guys. Local color. And so, did you, if you've ever seen. the Saturday Night Live Twinkle and Stink ads, which it's Jason Sudec and Will Forte.

It's the ones where Jason Siddakis is always like, well, one thing that's not a mystery is the quality of vagusil. Vagicil. I scream, you scream, we all scream for vagina cream. But the other joke in that one is that Will Forte's character, who is the color commentator, who is meant to be, like, the one with some knowledge of the thing, like, could not know less about the sport that he's, you know, commenting on.

And it's because it's such a thing. It's such a, like, it's such a recognizable trope if you've watched any kind of, like, far-flung sport in this way. It's wonderful. What a great movie. Also, the fight over Sherry Ann putting makeup on Christy Cummings. Well, and then the button to that is... The button is, I do like what she did to my hair. I do like what she did to my hair.

It's great. I do like what she did with my hair. Yes. Well, and the ways that Sherryan will be like when... When Christy will be like, before, you know, before Sherryan, this was a really sort of... of like humble, you know, or the organization that I was running here. And Sherry just goes, it was a shitbox. It was a real shitbox.

That kind of stuff. I do think pre-White Lotus, this is the quintessential Jennifer Coolidge performance. Yeah, White Lotus has definitely eclipsed it in terms of notoriety, right? It is, that is the number one rule, probably that she will be forever known for. But I still feel like this run, too, because, like, 19- 1999 is American Pie, and then 2000 is this. So, like, 1999, she's sort of this icon of, like, teenage hoardiness or whatever, but doesn't really get a chance to be funny. Legally blonde is, oh, two?

Oh, one, I'm pretty sure. Oh, one. So it goes, like, boom, boom, boom. Like, right. American Pie, Best in Show, Legally Blonde. And it's, like, it's an incredible, like, triptych of types of ways to be. incredible from the sidelines. The scene of her and Larry Miller

being introduced in A Mighty Wind is absolutely our podcast. All business, smart, competent, and then hamster wheel for brain. That is us. Is that also,

a Mighty Wind is when they're doing the like, they're humming. Everybody's humming together. And she's doing it with a giant open mouth. I mean, she's a real thing. She's a very well. She's a real housewife.

Sometimes it's like there is one brain between us. She really very much is, what you call it, Yolanda, Yolanda Foster, Yolanda Hadid, in real life in that movie, for sure. Her stupid ass wig in that movie. It's so funny. It's so dumb. I don't want this episode to just be us being like, wasn't that so funny? You know what?

This movie deserves it, though. We can, we can. Like that was cool. We can throw some analysis. in there. I am ready. I'm ready to throw some analysis in there. But I also feel like, this is a movie that deserves us to be like, and remember this line, remember how good this

was, remember how funny this bit is. Because you know what? That's that kind of a movie that it is. It's the kind of a movie that it's not the same as airplane, but like that was the appeal of airplane. It's be like, isn't airplane great? Remember this joke and this joke and this joke? Like, isn't Monty Python and the Holy Grail great? Remember this joke and this joke?

Sometimes movies be like that. You know what I mean? Sometimes that's the way that we appreciate. Great. movies like this. I do think Waiting for Guffman was that movie for me for a long time. And then maybe it's just I'm someone who, you know, went to theater school for college that I'm just like, all right, enough, enough, enough. Did it end up hitting too hard? We need the well to fill on this thing. We've overdone Guffman. And now I feel like, I feel like we're in a good place for waiting for Guffman again. The thing about waiting for Guffman was, it really was, a discovery, which is interesting because, like, obviously the visus spinal tap thing

was such a longstanding and well-known movie. And, like, Christopher Guest was not this unknown person. He had been in Hollywood forever. But waiting for Guffman specifically, I think because it had been this sort of, like, festival sensation that had taken a little bit to get to, you know, get to a release in American theaters and yada, yada, but... I think it opened in January that year. And it was a discovery for people, and it was a almost like a word of mouth kind of thing, and it was perfectly in that, like, 90s indie, you know, realm where, you know, clerks and various other sort of, like, 90s things that would be, you know, sort of.

of word of mouth hits. And I remember not seeing Guffman until maybe like 1998, 1999, you know what I mean? You know waiting for Guffman's in the Dawson's Creek pilot, right? No. When the, when Pacey's like flirting with his teacher, she's like, oh yeah, I'm going to this movie tonight. It has great reviews. They go to see waiting for Guffman.

That's hysterical. Yeah. On their sexy little May December date. I'm pretty sure it's the pilot. If it's not the pilot, it's like. Like episode two. Early, early on. You know, normally,

Jocelyn's Creek was so on the nose. I'm really surprised they didn't go to see, like, the graduate or whatever. But, no, waiting for Guffman, I remember being, like, such a discovery and watching it, and being kind of blown away by the structure of it. Because I also didn't see this a spinal tap when I was a young kid. Right. I didn't see spinal tap until after I'd seen all of the... I still maybe have never seen the entire thing of This is Spinal Tap.

I've maybe only seen it in, like, bits and pieces on TV. Yeah, because Spinal Tap is one of those things that we've gotten through osmosis. Yes. We've gotten it from VH1 clip shows. We got it. We got it. Yes. Talk about mud flaps.

My girl's got them. Yes. I just, I don't know about a This is Spinal Tap, too. I'm the same way that I feel about this. We're giving us space balls, too, which is. A terrible idea. A terrible idea that I will absolutely watch. You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, Spaceballs to, if it happens, it's like the perfect time to make fun of what has become of the Star Wars universe, right? Mm-hmm. And I just... But I worry that it's also going to be just like hitting all the low-hanging fruit of that kind of thing. Because... I loved Spaceballs as a kid, tried to watch it again as an adult. gotta say

I've watched I've watched Space Balls recently semi recently and I do feel like there's a lot of it that holds up but a lot of it that holds up

is not necessarily Star Wars jokes like I still feel like you've captured their stunt doubles is one of the funniest jokes ever and it just is not a Star Wars joke

it is a joke about you know action scenes or whatever and the thing where I mean, it's such a dumb joke, but the whole, like, he's an asshole, sir, private, you know, James asshole. And who's this guy?

And it's like, I'm an asshole too. I'm his cousin. And he goes, how many assholes we got on this ship? And everybody raises her hand. It's just great. It's just stupid. It's so stupid, but it's so funny. Keep firing assholes.

It's so good. Also, the least PC joke in that movie does make me laugh every single time, which is they're combing the desert, sir. and it's the giant combs through the desert and then it's the two black guys with the Afroopic going through and it's like, what have you seen? They say, we ain't found shit. Also,

I still, to this day, in that perfect cadence at the end, will say, Spaceballs, oh shit, there goes the planet. It's so good. I'm sorry. I'm such a sim for that kind of stuff.

I'm such a simp for Spaceballs. I really am. RIP John Candy. I don't know how they're going to do it without like it's it's you know no joan rivers no john candy it's not going to be the same space balls i'm sorry it's just not right um joan rivers is so funny in that anyway all right best in show best in show uh why don't we start moving things along joe will you tell the listeners about our patreon heck yeah we have a patreon we have had one for a while it is called this

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Best in show. Best in show. Directed by Christopher Guest, written by Christopher Guest and Eugene Levy, starring a host of comedy legends, including Christopher Guest, Eugene Levy, Catherine O'Hara, Parker Posey, Michael Hitchcock, Jennifer Coolidge,

Jane Lynch, John Michael Higgins, Michael McKeon, Fred Willard, Jim Pittock, Bob Balaban, Larry Miller, Ed Begley, Jr., and many, many, many, many, more people getting to be funny even if for 10 seconds. Yes.

It's fantastic. The cast can't be beat. Can't be beat. Movie world premiered as a Tiff Gala. Chris's most one of Chris's most made fun of things in entertainment is a TIF Gala. You know how I love that festival,

but that's not always true. Sometimes it's not always true. But sometimes it is Tiff Gala directoratory. Never has there been as cool of a gala as this. I would love to go back in time and be in that audience.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Tremendous. Absolutely. And then the movie opened Limited, September 29th, 2000, the week. Sharing the weekend with

Remember the Titans as the number one movie. Used to be done sell, Tyosor. These are the Titans that I'll remember. Rhapsody and White, I'll remember. Winky, I'll remember. Number two at the box office

that weekend. was the director's cut re-release of The Exorcist with the Spider-Walk scene. Have we ever talked about this cut of the movie? You know, I love the Exorcist so much. So I don't remember, I remember it being like a thing where someone tried to make an Exorcist movie and it got taken away from them or it was not. Paul Schrader. Right.

And so then another one was commissioned to Rennie Harlan. Yes. And then they released that one. available now. I was going to say, they ended up releasing the Schrader one, right? They released both of them, yes. But like initially it was the Rennie Harlan one that they released, right? Yes.

It was the Schrader one that I think was like shelved away for a while, but then did see the light of day. But this version is the one that adds in the Spider Walk, and it also changes the ending. And the ending is the reason why I hate this kind of the movie. What is the ending? The ending, and it's the same ending from the book where the police detective and the friend of Father Carus, who is also a priest, basically meet up outside the house, and then they, you know, decide to be friends. Gay. Well, they're talking about, like, going to the movies and stuff, and I'm like, they're gay.

Fellas, is it gay to go to the movies with your friend? Not if you sit with a seat between the two of you. You see straight men doing it all the time and it's ridiculous. I remember. If you do that, you're ridiculous. One of my great shames is that I took part in that horrible tradition when I was a closeted young person. What is so wrong with just sitting next to your friend? It's so gay to sit next to your friend.

As I say, looking back at it now, yes, obviously. I was fighting for my life back then. or like, I was, I was just trying to survive. I understand that. I'm not judging you. We do horrible, shameful things when we're in the closet. Maybe the most shameful is sitting with the buffer seat in between me and my friends of the movies. Yeah. I hate that ending in the movie because it's just like fully is just like, and everything's okay.

I mean, yeah, because it's not okay. I mean, it's like the other movie ends like maybe the devil will possess you. The world is fucked. Darkness rains Roll credits And then you have this cowardly recut That I don't know And then Trader's version was just like

Much like the world This girl will die Like that kind of Well that's that's the prequel That's the prequel not the original Oh okay Okay Oh okay

You're talking about the like edited The edited editing of the original Yes this is the one that they put back in theaters And it made so much money we really need to just like keep this train moving of doing re-releases like broke back just made a bunch of money like well as i as i said before we were talking about this my nephew is obsessed now with the lion king and all i'm saying is like i know instead of just like remaking these movies just re-release the original you will get the same people flocking you know what i mean

it's just like kids will absolutely did re-release like lion king and beauty and the beast and make a ton of money off of those re-releases. Guess what? Do it again. You'll make more money again. Like, stop making this crap that no one wants. And you don't have to put in, you know, production budgets into the hundreds of millions of dollars. Right. Whatever. Whatever. Also in limited release, along with Best and Show, in its opening weekend, Girl Fight, Karin Kusama's Girl Fight. Karin Kusama's Girl Fight, Michelle Rodriguez's breakthrough role. And, uh, iconic Otts, Gay Guy Movie, the Broken Hearts Club.

Which has a special place in my heart among the many aughts, mediocre, gay rom-coms. I love that one the most of all. Did you go see the Broken Hearts Club with your heterosexual friends? Absolutely not. I would be surprised if that movie played theaters in Buffalo,

but if it did, I absolutely would not have been able to see it in the theater. You would have went in a trench coat, a fedora, and sunglasses. Oh, my God. Like, I think about that now, it's just like, I was fucking 20. I was 20 years old when that movie came out, and I was too closeted to go see it.

I fucking, you look back sometimes, and you're just like, oh, my God, this is why I hate myself. Like, absolutely. I hate myself so much. Well, I love you, kiddo. I pray for you, Rachel. Oh, thanks. I thank you. All right, let's get into...

The 60-second plot description? Do you think you're ready to do that, sir? I mean, as ready as I ever will be. All right, then your 60-second plot description for Best in Show starts now. All right, everybody, welcome to Philadelphia. We've got the Mayflower Kennel Club Dog Show. This Bestin Show is going to focus on five contender dogs and their owners. We have Winky the Norwich Terrier, owned by Jerry and Cookie Fleck, a normy couple from Florida who drives up and don't have money for a hotel room, so they have to sleep in a broom closet.

And then when it comes to time to show their dog, they win the group, but then Cookie injures her knee. And Jerry has to show Winky himself. Meg and Hamilton Swan have Beatrice the Weimer oner. They are way too high strung and give Beatrice a complex and Beatrice eventually tries to attack one of the judges and they get disqualified. Harlan Pepper is adorable and an aspiring ventriloquist and he's got his bloodhound Hubert. And Hubert does surprisingly well for the expectations. Ten seconds. The main contender, the New England Patriots of Dog Show Dogs, Rhapsody and White, owned by Sherry Ann Cabot and her barely alive husband, Leslie, and trainer and expert Christy Cummings, who is in love with Sherry, and they eventually hook up.

And then my favorites, Scott and Stefan, who have their Shih Tzu named Miss Agnes. And they also do well, and they win their group, and they're going to be in the final. So finally it's the finals, and everybody thinks Rhapsody and White's going to win, and Jerry is the underdog, and ultimately, Winky wins, hey, congratulations, and then they go, everybody goes and is successful in somewhere and other afterward, including Jerry and Cookie who record music, and they do it up Terrier style, the end. All right, about 50 seconds over. It's worth it. God does love a Terrier. God does love a Terrier. I've had the other song, though, stuck in my head, the one where she goes, bow.

Wow. Good dish. You, the animal hater, who's your favorite dog in this movie? That's a good question. That's a really good question. I do have a space in my heart for Beatrice, the problematic Weimer Honor, who is just terrorized.

The funniest thing about the epilogue is that Meg and Hamilton get a new dog and they blame all of their marital dysfunction on Beatrice, who was a problem, who was very judgmental and very, was a negative force in their life. And so now they have this little, like, pug who humps the leg of their therapist. Yeah, Beatrice went through a lot. She didn't have her busy bee. Yes, she keeps trying to bite people, but wouldn't you if those were your owners. I also think Hubert, the Bloodhound, is very, like, cute to look at.

Huberd is absolutely my favorite dog because I love bloodhounds. See, from a distance, yes, adorable, love it. Up close, I think the sort of lumpiness and slobberiness would be a non-starter for me. Oh, they're just big giant saggy dogs. Yeah, but they do probably slobber on you, though, right? I don't care. Yeah, I care. That's the difference between me.

Yeah, this is why you can't have animals. Norse Terriers, too small. Very cute, too small. The Shih Tzu, too small. Also, the Shih Tzu is, like, the epitome of, like, no shade against Scott and Stefan, who are great. Dog culture that is abhorrent to me, this whole, like, we have bred dogs to be, like, little Persian vases. And I just... Well, they have two dogs, too.

They have one back at home who they, like... Sorry to not Miss Agnes. Stephen sings such a sweet little song, little, like, Irish, like, you know, lullaby to him over the phone. It's so sweet. I love it so much. And then he says... Scott and Stefan, one million percent are cloning Ms. Agnes when she dies. And then Stefan says, good night, don't stay up all night watching old movies.

It's so sweet. Scott and Stefan are great. I am such a fan of Scott and Stefan. They're the best. They hang up tapestries in their hotel room just so they can feel more at home. Scott and Stefan are characters that people who are trying too hard would say are homophobic, but then like no gay guy on the planet is going to call them homophobic. They are very, very.

very recognizable figures and are also, there's nothing bad about them. They do not give, there is nothing negative about the stereotypes that they are putting out there. They are stereotypes, but there is nothing negative about them. They are good-hearted people who like to have a little snicker at self-important lesbians like Christy Cummings, but like get along so well with Jerry and Cookie Fleck, you know what I mean? Like they're not snobs.

They're not jerks. They're good folks who, yes. Yes, like a kimono, and yes, like a bath bomb, and make... Love to flirt with their butcher. Love to flirt with their butcher. Yeah, maybe make their straight butcher feel a little bit uncomfortable every now and then. But you know what? I love how the butcher is like, what?

During all the double and tonnezzar. That scene is so good because that's also the scene where Scott is, where Stefan's like, should we get some kidneys for the dogs? And Scott's like, oh, I don't like the membranes. And Stefan goes, I'll take the membranes off. And it's a perfect relationship. It's a perfect relationship. You have the one person who doesn't like the membranes

and the other person who's willing to take the membranes off. I mean, maybe you're right that this is me and my husband because he would be, before I can even get the sentence out of my mouth, he'd be like, I got the membranes, calm job. That's so good. Oh, man. But then again, sometimes I'm like, I got the membranes. Listen, that is a relationship, too.

Sometimes you're the one who gets the membranes. And he'll be the one flirting with the butcher. And exactly. He wants the pepperoni stick, exactly. Scott flirts with literally everybody. he flirts with Ed Begley Jr. It's so good. The scene that I want people to go back and watch again

is the scene after Cookie injures her knee and they're trying to figure out what should happen with Winky and who should walk Winky again. They've got to make a decision like right now. And Scott is being very, very helpful with trying to make sure that Cookie's all right. And he's like, and Christy Cummings is there being like, no, two left feet.

You should definitely show Winky. I'm going to, I mean, here's your armband, here's your number, put them on, get ready to go, buddy. Just like, go. Like, you're, I'm sure you'll do fine, knowing that now she has an inferior competition out there. And the other thing is in the epilogue when she goes, it's been six months since we lost the dog show. It's still kind of unbelievable. Like, that's just like, it's real traumatic. and she's still so pissed.

Honestly, put them on the ultimatum queer love. Yes, yes, 100%. And their magazine that they found after that, American Bitch. American Bitch. Could we do an issue of American bitch over on the Patreon? Yes. Oh, my God, let's find the January 2001 issue of American bitch and figure out what was going on. Yes.

But yeah, this is the thing. It's like, this is a movie that is like, it really, really, really pokes a thumb in the eye of dog people, and yet is so loving to almost all of these characters. And even, like, Christy and Sherryan, who, like, the movie is the least maybe sympathetic towards, like, they get such a happy ending, right? Like, I love, they're together. They found American bitch. They found non-neutral wardrobe. Megan Hamilton are maybe the worst. They're also the ones where the movies, like, these are not good people. But it's such a, It's such a funny ending.

But, like, this movie loves Jerry and Cookie. It loves Harlan Pepper. It loves Scott and Stefan. It's, uh, it's wonderful. It certainly loves the commentators. Christopher Gess as Harlan Pepper in this movie. And I think it's because, like, so much of this movie, so much we love is the interplay. Like, even as we've been quoting lines, it's like, you can't just quote the line.

You have to quote the line that either leads up to it or how somebody responds. Yes. Harlan Pepper is also the character who is most likely to have possibly been in waiting for Guffman. Like he would have fit in, I know they're both Christopher Guss. It's just the Lewis Arquette character. Well, but he wants to be a ventriloquist. He definitely has, like, he's a performer at heart, although Jerry and Cookie Fleck are also performers at heart. And also, I could see Scott also wanting to, like, you know, shine in some way or another.

So maybe a lot of these people could have been in waiting for Guffman. But what people from waiting for Guffman could have been best in show, showing dogs at the Mayflower. I mean, Libby-May Brown is definitely not going to have a dog that can be in a dog show. No. Libby-May Brown has, like, many dogs. Has done, but, like, no Pierre Bradds whatsoever. Right, right. I'm surprised none of these people had a Dalmatian.

Maybe that was, like, too, like, obvious of a, like, because Dalmatians are, like, canonically over, overbrose. and are, like, aggressive because of that, right? Like, Dalmatians... I'm sure they were working with dogs that were probably easiest to work with. It's very possibly true. Though poodles are a lot. Poodles are a lot. Are they?

Especially, like, the big standard poodles like that, right? Yes. Big personalities. Big personalities. Yeah. Okay, so you as a person who likes dogs more than I do, have you ever owned a dog? I mean, as, like, we had the family dog. Yeah, like what kinds of dogs?

Family boxer. A boxer. So what's a boxer like, personality-wise? I mean, mostly pretty chill, but, like, unaware of its size. Yeah. Is a boxer a terrier? Would it compete with the terriers? No, it's a big old boy.

It's a big boy, yeah. No, but, like, in terms of, like, the groups. Oh, I don't know any of it. I'm the Fred Willard in this situation. I could not tell you. It's a large dog. All right, hold on. I'm looking up the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show, which the best in show,

Wikipedia page helpfully presents as a resource. So, terrier group. The terrier group includes, come on, give me a list. Terrier types and groups.

We have Jack Russell Terrier. Rat terrier. Scottish Terrier. Do you know literally what a rat terrier looks like? Yeah. Oh, they're kind of cute.

West Highland White Terrier, which is the little sort of like... Westies, the dog food, like... Yeah. Westies always look like they're smiling. They're always like, ha! So various combinations of Bulldog and Terrier that were used for bulldating and dog fighting are in here. So except for the Boston Terrier. So a Boston Terrier does not...

All right, I'm just going to look for Boxer in here. Nope, I guess it's not in the Terrier group because Boxer does not show up in here. Fireers are little They're little dogs Are they all little? Okay Um Terriers, yeah

Let's see Would it be in I'm gonna find this fucking What if God loves a terrier Because terriers are small And God is dog Like Bodyphobic

Of some kind God's problematic For only loving terriers You know See it's the toy group That are the really little ones The toy group, that's the... Those are chihuahuas.

Those are... Yeah. T-cups. Hold on. Now I've got to look up a boxer. What kind of a dog is a boxer? It's basically like a... It's kind of pit bullish, just with a different face.

Sure, but like what kinds of dogs are those? What kind of dog is a boxer? Yes, I know it's a Mastiff. Oh, boy. What group does it participate in? we have now become a science podcast we're talking species genome truly the boxer's a member of both the kennel club and the american kennel club working group so it's a working dog she's busy she works hard for the money bitch you better work boxer oh see you went that way

and i was like um the uh dog employment industrial complex no i was just like hon This dog has to work three jobs. All right, so it's a worker dog. All right. You know what? I'll take it. Anyway, good for you. Yeah, we never had dogs.

We never had dogs. Every morning, that boxer stumbles out of bed and I'll see us to the kitchen. Clickety-clack, click, click-de-clack. Sorry, I can't do the ASMR, Dolly Parton fingernails. Honey, I just wrote the song on my fingernails and that's a song. I bless Dolly. All right. Dolly Parton could be in both Bestin's show and waiting for Guffman.

100% true. 100% true. She should have been a judge at the Westminster. They should have had some sort of like celebrity ambassador or something. The other thing I want to say about Harlan Pepper is that like you can tell that Christopher guest is leaning into, and it's part of what makes the performance so funny. the idea of dog owners looking like their dog? Yes. I think the other couples, it's more like spiritual, right?

It's not necessarily an aesthetic thing, but there's a certain way that... Megan Hamilton, what would be the dog that Megan Hamilton would have, like, the most, like, nervous-looking... One of those, like, pugs that looks like it's about to, like, keel over and die. Like, one of the... But those have sort of, like, a loogie energy more so. Don't they end up with a pug? Yeah, well, you do. Yeah, like, yes, they do.

So maybe it's better for them. Sherry Ann, I mean, Sherryan Cabot having a standard poodle isn't not right. Well, that coat that they give her, that fur-lined coat or the, like, feather-lined coat. Yes, yes. It feels very. The scene where they go on the local TV show where, and the one lady's like, what's, what's with this little plumber butt it's got going on? And talking about her little, like, tufts that keep her hips warm. lady um uh but the jane lynch is an all-star in this movie like jane lynch has such a great way

of showing christie's personality through very like tight little quips the way um where um she's talking about how she and sharian are the like yin and yang of just like my father like it's like very much like my father's my parents relationship My father was the stern taskmaster, which I try to bring. And Sherry Ann just goes like, like Mr. Punishment or whatever. And she goes, well, and reward, and reward. Where she's just like, she's trying to like make herself look a little bit better. When she's on that TV show and she's just trying to, you know, advance the Rhapsody and White's cause at every moment, it's so good.

it's it's very effective um absolutely most insane dog name rhapsody and white but again perfect right it's the one we're like you can tell this one comes from money this one comes from like these are the people who take it so seriously these are people who own race horses you know what i mean it's like that kind of a thing and name their their horses big elaborate names or whatever um but like remember this is i don't want to shade jane lynch because i genuinely feel like jane lynch still like has her moments i do kind of love jane lynch as the host on the weakest link. I think she's, like, really funny. Well, that's her thing now.

She's kind of pivoted towards game show host. But, like, remember when Jane Lynch was, like, an assassin with a dagger in comedies like this? Like, she's so, like, even in a mighty wind sort of the same way. Obviously, she's a, you know, witches in nature's colors. But, like, her delivery is so, like, level, right? We are witches in nature's colors. And then she does the, like, perfect little wink that I can't do. well, they have to, like, I have to go like that.

But... I did another film, Not So Tiny Tim. But then Glee comes along, and I don't want to, like, blame it entirely on Glee, but, like, she sort of went big for Glee and then never went back. And, you know, I loved Hollywood Game Night as much as anybody, but, like, she, her humor tended towards the grandiose on that show, let's just say. But I think those two are great together. her and coolidge.

I think, again, Parker Posey and Michael Hitchcock are a dream together, the way they are just absolutely the worst people in the world to be married to each other. And they're so toxic, and they just argue with each other at the drop of the hat. And then Parker Posey on the hunt for Busybee is a wonder. The way she'll just like, when she yells at Ed Beggley Jr., and she's just like, you stupid hotel manager and she's stomping out and then she's like

Again, none of it is punchlines it's fully just how that character would behave and it's funny It's before we have the term for Cairns But like it is like it's It's proto It's proto Karen behavior for sure It's kind of Karen but it's not necessarily

She's threatening to get the cleaning lady deported She's you know She's yelling at the guy at the pet store And the guy at the pet store patience of a saint where he's just like the one she finally takes and he's just like this is the least bee like of all of the things that we've looked at. It's just great. Trying to explain to her that like I don't think it's like the actual species that your dog is responding to, but it's maybe the colors or maybe the sound. And she's just like,

it's not a bee. It's a fish, you stupid man. It's great. And then guest, sorry, a levy and Catherine O'Hara, which, of course, this was the beginning of a long and flourishing, you know, career for the both of them as a couple. As a unit, yeah. I mean, they'd work together for so long. Oh, of course. But I just mean, they're married in this. They're exes in Best, or in Mighty Wind, and then Schitt's Creek, obviously.

And couldn't have gone better for them and good for them because they are, the put-uponness of Eugene Levy in this is so great. The scene where they're in Larry Miller's kitchen, where he's being shameless, shamelessly flirting with him and being like kind of like trying to big dog, not kind of, like, trying to big dog Jerry. And Jerry gets fed up with it. And he's like, what if I just said to your wife, it's so lovely to see you and your giant melon breasts. And she just looks back at him and she just goes, thank you, Jerry. she's like she's genuinely happy for the but like you can barely pay attention to it because like everybody else is yelling at each other um it's he's that relationship is very funny the two left feet

she clearly which is an extension of the waiting for guffman lazy eye yes yes yes you're keen and perceptive eyes behold but she clearly adores him and like the the central sort of like comedic dichotomy of her character is she absolutely indoors this very sort of you know uh menchi kind of you know regular normal man and yet she also is completely shameless about reminiscing about her days being a harlot and being sort of a flusy around town and constantly running into people the best one of the best throwaway jokes that willard has is just like, doesn't that handler look familiar to you? She's just running around.

And she's, you know, just when the guy in the sound booth is just like, you were the best. And she's like, you never forget the best. Like, she really does, like, she doesn't shy away from those conversations. But at the same, and then she'll just be like, oh, Jerry, you know, like, it's nothing. They're a great couple. But, you know, lots of, I don't know if I would call them couple goals necessarily, like Scott and Stefan are couple goals. but I'm glad that they have a functional marriage

and are thriving with their terriers. I hope the Flex just stayed together and lived long enough to have an Instagram account. Like a couple's with a dog account. It's Winkie's account. It's whatever the dog, it's the dog with the account. Yeah, but like just the dog account. You never follow just the dog.

Like that's not fun. Like when it's owner and pet, I'm not even going to ask you the ones that I love that I follow. No, I, because again, this is the thing. I'm in a very judgment-free zone. I am, I don't know about this life. I need you to tell me about the dogs that you follow on social media. I don't follow any dogs. There is one cat that I love, Merv the Pet, but it's not just Merv who like growls and like says

funny things, but it's also Merv's owner. Like, they're a team. They're a Laurel and Hardy. What's Merv's owner's name? Oh, don't, oh, we're on Mike and I don't know. Oh, okay. Merv is such a great name from pets. Merv!

Merv has a crush on their gardener. What about MIRF for a pet's name? MIRF, would you just, like, holler Murf all that? MIRF! No, don't go, MIRF. When your dog gets. geriatric, it's old Murph, or Murph Olds.

No, it's Oldmurf. Oldmerf is the canonical term. Yeah, but when you first... I thought she's billed as Murf, MIRF, bracket, old. Nope, old Murf. Hold on, I'm looking it up right now. I'll look it up on IMDB.

If I need to, I will look up the video of the credits. Interstellar. Okay, we have Jessica Chastain is Murf. All right, IMDB, this is wrong. They just have no credited as regular MIRF.

They have MIRF, MIRF, and MIRF. Like, they're a fucking comedy act. Hold on. YouTube it up. Interstellar end credits. I'm mad. Because it's MIRF old. It's MIRF Parentheses older.

It's MIRF Parentheses 10 years. Older. Yes. Murf parentheses 10 years for McKenzie Foy. And then Jessica Chastain is merely credited as MIRF. That's, fucking wrong. Merf older.

That's not even funny. I understand that this is a Mandela effect right now. But I guarantee you there was a moment where... That it was Old Murf. I would not have said it otherwise. Old Murf is so fucking funny. Why would they change it? Why, Christopher Nolan?

So stupid. Probably because of you making fun of his beautiful film online. The first person you see in Interstellar is Old Murf. Good old Murf. It's my favorite Christopher Nolan. Love that movie. It's a good movie. It's a very good movie.

movie. I love a lot of Christopher Nolan's, but it's a very good one. All right. So in terms of Oscar buzz, Waiting for Guffman got some awards play, right? Waiting for Guffman on like Indie Spirit Awards, right? Like, it was like multiple

time nominee at the indie spirits. It also got, I want to say that, like, guests... I don't think it went past that. Maybe got some type of... Three nominations at the Indy Spirits. Spirit Awards, one for best feature, one for best mail lead, and one for best screenplay. And I guess it didn't go beyond that.

But so, at the very least, Best In Show was on the radar of people who were like, you know, on the fringes of the awards conversation is something like Best In Show. Maybe it could get a screenplay nomination. And certainly, it doesn't end up getting a Writers Guild Award. I understand that Writers Guild Awards happen when, like, half of the field is ineligible or whatever. But you look at this year's WGA awards and like most of the major contenders are in there, right? Original screenplay, your nominees are almost famous Best in Show, Billy Elliott, Aaron Brockovich, and you can count on me. I'm just going to say one of the best single lineups

of screenplays. I can imagine awards. All great, great. And Best and Show replaces Gladiator from the Oscar lineup. And I have a hard time believing Gladiator was not Writers Guild, eligible. Right. Because that's John Logan, right? And Gladiator was one of those movies. Titanic was the same way where everybody was like, great movie, great spectacle, we will give this thing best picture. We don't have to say that it has a good screenplay. You know what I mean? Like, it's not really well written. So Titanic didn't have a nominated screenplay at all. Gladiator got the screenplay nomination and people were like, okay. But yes. But like, all of those other movies are nominated for the Oscar. They're all.

contenders. In Adapted, it's very similar. Traffic wins. Traffic won the Oscar. Crouching Tigers nominated. Wonder Boys is nominated. I don't think, did High Fidelity? I don't think High Fidelity got the Oscar nomination. No, it did not. And I did Chocolat get the Oscar nomination? I believe. So adapted at the Oscars was Traffic, Chocolat, Crouching Tiger, Wonderboys, and Oh, Brother, were art, though. So, yeah, so like these were, and again, I imagine the Cohen brothers. Actually, I don't know. I don't know how the WGA works like this.

So anyway, but... I feel like they've been nominated at the Writers Guild before. The thing about screenplay with this movie in particular, I remember a lot of the, like, Oscar hand-wringing at the time was people were like, yeah, it's funny, but it's all improvised. So what's written here? What's written here? Where is the script, right?

As if, you know, like, they're not actually writing down planning. scenarios of like a script is not just dialogue even if every word of dialogue is completely out of the actor's heads it feels to me like unnecessarily tying your hands and knots for no good reason to be like can we nominate this highly improvised thing for screenplay it's like yeah like yeah you can in the same way you can nominate a movie with like a lot of oneers for editing you know that was the other thing. It was just like, can we nominate Birdman for editing? Like, there's, it's this one continuous shot, which, of course, it wasn't one continuous shot, of course, but whatever. We were not talking about Birdman in this episode. But so I think

the fact that Best in Show was there as a, you know, as a readily available six-placer for original screenplay, then it was definitely in contention. And there was definitely chatter about Fred Willard. Fred Willard would end up winning which critics award. But he is runner up at National Society and New York. But also, I remember the Oscar like predictions episode. We've talked about this in the past where it's like here's the five they predict. And then they have like one spotlight person that they're like, the academy should go for this long shot

episode of what? Episode of Siskel and Ibert. No, no, no, no. Entertainment Weekly. Oh, Entertainment Weekly. So they're issue. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes, he was definitely, and this is also why. It was Fred Willard. I will never forget that. It irks me when the New York film critic circle tries to be like, we don't, we don't make our runners-up known. They try to, they try to embargo that information. They try to tell people who are there like you're not allowed to say it. Somebody eventually does and it all, you know, the information gets out there. But whereas LA film critics are like, they'll announce. the runner-up before they'll announce the winner, right? And to me, that's so much better. I understand this whole thing of, like, we don't want to, like, you know, reveal process or whatever. But it's like, you want to give shine to as many movies and people as possible.

You know, tell me who's the runner-up. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it to know that Fred Willard was in the conversation for these things. And I think it has something to do with, like, tax. talent ego that they don't want to piss people off by like, as if it's an insult to be a runner up, you know, when there's only one person awarded, you know. Well, and some people more than others, would consider it a runner up or would consider it an insult. Whereas like somebody like Fred Willard, I imagine would be kind of thrilled to be found out that he was like in these conversations. And it does help boost certain people's, you know, contenderships. Certainly like, one of the, we've said this time and time again, one of the biggest. problems with

Oscar nominations not being adventurous enough is the people who are voting assume that too many movies and performances are non-starters, right? They assume that things aren't worth

voting for because nobody's talking about this thing. And so I don't want to just throw my vote away. And so the more you can let people know, they're like, no, this is a movie that people really like. is a movie that people are talking about, then it's better for everybody. So, like, definitely tell people, this is why, like, for as much as people, like, there are too many

award shows. I'm like, yes, and yet, if there were too many award shows and they were all, like, you know, being better at diversifying their nominees, if it wasn't just the same six people for everything. If they weren't following a group thing. Right. Then it would be great, because it would give you so many more possibilities for Oscar voters, ultimately, to, to reflect on to vote on. Anyway, this is my bugaboo as everybody knows. What I think it's interesting about Fred Willard is that Fred Willard is the one who pulls out of the pack, because I also remember discussion of like, well, how do you single out any of these performers from this line? But he's the easiest one to single out because he sort of exists a little bit on an

island. And for the last half of the movie, he's talking throughout. You know what I mean? Like, he's also kind of as a character, a solution to maybe, maybe the makers never see this as a problem. But for me as like, you know, someone who thinks about how these things work, how do you even do the dog show without, you know, how do you like still have a through line? Like a dog, I've watched dog shows. You watch them on Thanksgiving and it's like there's, you know, it's a lot of repetitive stuff. like, how do you make a story out of that? How do you make a comedy out of that? You make it out of the announcer.

It's such a smart choice. But, like, you're right that I guess he does kind of own that whole section. He's also the, like, one of these things is not like the other. And that is really, really helpful in trying to single out people from ensembles is, like, he's the, he's not, you know, the ensemble is mostly the dog owners who are all, you know, doing their own different thing, but they're all ultimately sort of working from the same premise. whereas he's the one doing something completely different, and that does help. And now I'm trying to think of examples in the past where, like, somebody got nominated by that, and I can't think of anything off the top of my head. It's usually the type of thing where, like, somebody shows up and is funny in a not funny movie or, you know,

is just giving a different energy than the rest of the movie. Well, that's sort of like your Melissa McCarthy and Bridesmaids, where she's giving a very different energy than everybody else. And because, like, of course, comedy nominations are, you know, difficult to come by. And so you can maybe sort of zero in on that enough and try to sort of, you know, pick out people. But, like, he's definitely the one you sort of walk away from. And obviously, like, social media and Twitter wasn't really a thing back then. But you would, like, walk out of there and, like, text, you know, somebody about this movie and be, like, Red Willard is a fucking scream in this movie.

You know what I mean? And he's also, it's just, it's, it's very just, it's joke, joke, joke, joke, joke. You know what I mean? It's just, it's this, you know, steady rhythm and onslaught of it. And he's so oblivious. He's so, he's, it really takes, I will say, a lot of discipline to just continue to throw those things out there and then not react to. the other guy's reaction, you know what I mean, where he, like, he, like, he just, like, breezes past and, and nothing becomes an argument, nothing. There's no, like, nothing ever, like, settles in. He just sort of, like, moves on to the next thing. Well, it's the staple of every Christopher guest character. They all have zero self-awareness. Fred Willard is playing someone who has absolutely no idea how stupid he is. And that's why he's funny. Yes. I think the only character who has self-awareness,

awareness in this movie is probably Jerry. Yeah. And because he's so aware of how he's sort of getting, you know, cucked, for lack of a better term. Boy, between the Cairns and the Cucks, this movie was really, you know, defining. Oh, boy. 21st century, 21st century terminology. Sometimes the Golden Globes are rad as hell because they nominated this for best musical or comedy. And again, you look at this lineup.

I don't think it's an all-bangers lineup, but like almost famous wins. rad. Chicken Run. Chicken Run, critical favorite. I love chicken. I've not seen Chicken Run since, like, it was new. So, like, I can't say it. Well, you hate animals, so you're not going to watch Chicken Run.

I'm just talking about how much I love this dog movie. Also, they're animated. Animated animals are a whole different story. Animated animals are not real. So, like, I can enjoy the... So you can hate them. I love Flo. I love the Wild Robot last year.

I love a ton of animated movies with animals because, again, they're not real. I don't have to worry about that. Chocolat is nominated. This was when Chocolat was still sort of the ball was beginning to roll on Chocolat, but it hadn't really, almost famous was still able to win here. Renee Zellweger was still able to win and best actress and that kind of thing. And then, oh, brother. Chocolat, good.

Sorry about it. You know, I don't even begrudge you that. Chocolat's pretty good. I don't even begrudge you that. I don't know if I can join you on that island, but I... It's not a masterpiece, but, like, Chacola is not this, like, walking turd the way that people talk about it. I do love this lineup.

I don't know if it's a comedy, though. Mel Gibson's Chicken Run, Johnny Depp's Shuck-a-Lot. Who's problematic in O'Brother War Art, though? I don't know. Everybody seems fine in O'Brother Where Art, though? I should re-watch O'Brother Where Art Thow, because I was one of those people that saw that movie

and was like, absolutely not. Not that. It's so peculiar. It's so very much sort of living in its own reality, and part of that is the Odyssey thing of it all. You should watch this before you watch Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey. Everybody's going to be talking about, oh, brother, we're at that before the Odyssey.

And then you'll come out of The Odyssey, and you'll be like, that guy who played the Charles Durning character in The Odyssey is so good. You should be that guy. You should be that guy. You're probably still voting for Almost Famous, even though you love this movie. Yes, I am.

I'm voting for Best in Show. I think that's a good call for you. Yeah, Almost Famous is one of those special ones. It was when I made my little New York Times list, it was on that list. It's one of those movies for me. Although Best in Show probably was like 11th place and like barely missed making that list. My list was very, very first decade of eligibility focused. I was very aughts focused when I made that list.

Oh, and see, I made my list and I was like, all right, I think this is right. And then I look at it again after I posted it, of course. Immediate regret. And I'm like, yeah. Too many 20 teens. Too many 20 teens. It's not balanced. It's not balanced. Mine was definitely imbalanced towards the older movies within the eligibility period. But I felt like I could rationalize that, which is it takes a minute for movies to me to settle into me being confident that they're like all time faves. If I was saying best movie rather than favorites, you know what I mean? Like I gave myself permission to just like choose my 10 favorites. And it takes a minute for something to really, like, settle in as a favorite for me. There has to be a balance of best and favorite, too.

Like, I rewatch Devil Wears Prada a few weeks ago, and I was like, it's stupid Devil Wears Prada is not on that list. Oh, interesting. It needs to be on that list. I mean. Is it one of the best movies? Like, if we're getting nitpicky, sure, no. Yeah. Like, does it belong on that list?

It's iconic. It's iconic. to borrow an overused nonsense word that people have stripped of all meaning, yes. All right, we talked about... Is Best in Show on the list? I don't think it was. I think it was.

Oh, well, good. I think it was. We'll look it up after this and we'll chastise ourselves if it wasn't. No, I think it was. Best and Show had a weaker indie spirit tally than waiting for Guffman. However, it was part of a pretty rad best director lineup.

Read it off, because, yes, I agree with you. Darren Aronovsky, Requiem for a Dream, Miguel Arteta, Chuck and Buck, Ang Lee, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, who wins, and Julian Schnabel before Night Falls, along with, obviously, Christopher Gass.

And this was before... I don't love Before Night Falls, but, like, this is kind of what you want. I don't hate Before Night Falls either, though. I like it okay. I like Before Night Falls, okay. I wouldn't nominate it for a Best Director award. Right, right.

But no, it's very good. I think the Aronofsky and Ang Lee of it all. And of course, having Chuck and Artetta showing up that I'm like, this is a rad lineup. This is awesome. Is it more so for Chuck and Buck, though, or do you like Miguel Arteta's whole filmography? I mean, I like Miguel Arteta with Mike White. With Mike White, yes.

You know, I love those movies. Yes. Chuck and Buck is also just like, Chuck and Buck is one of those early digital movies that looks like shit. Looks like shit, yep, yeah, yeah. Great movie. Miguel Arteta's movies after Chuck and Buck. He directs The Good Girl.

He directs Youth and Revolt, which was not a Mike White movie, obviously. He directs that movie Cedar Rapids with Ed Helms and Anne Hache and John C. Riley. Don't like that. He directed Alexander in The Terrible No Good, Very Bad Day, which Jennifer Garner was in, and I don't think I ever saw. Who are the kids in that? Did they grow up to be anything? Oh, Dylan Minet's in that. That's interesting.

Bella Thorne. alert to the Who Weekly folks. Bella Thorne was in that movie. Anyway, then he directs Beatrice's A Dinner, which we love. We've talked about it on this podcast. Great movie. Duck Butter, a movie that people seemed to like at the time, I never saw it. Canonical Laia Costa, the cinema.

He directed Like a Boss, Chris Files' favorite movie. I was going to say, Like a Boss. Favorite movie of lockdown, Like a Boss. I fully put Salma Hayek on my supporting actress ballot that year. And then another Jennifer Gron. Garner family comedy Yes Day from 2021

that Jennifer Garner Edgar Ramirez Jenna Ortega in yes day sure you're not to be confused with

yes man which was Miguel or Miguel which is Jim Carrey gets whatever

mysticized into he can't say no to anything which is like essentially like why don't we make liar liar again

but like have it be a different thing like he couldn't lie in that one. Now he can't say no. Very Ato-Annie coded. That's an Oklahoma joke. You're supposed to laugh at that, Chris. You're supposed to give me some

sort of reaction to that. I'm laughing. The pen is blue. The pen is blue. The goddamn pen is blue. What is that from? It's a liar-lier. It's the best joke in lie-a-liar. Oh, my God. Where he's like, this pen is, he can't get himself to say red. And then he ends up riding all over his face. He's like, the pen is blue. The The pen is blue.

Jesus Christ. You don't remember the pen is blue? I don't remember. No, I saw Liar Liar one time. It's the best joke in Liar Liar, okay. The one joke where it's not about how he calls other women sluts and horrors and whatever. Yeah, that's great.

Yeah. Best Original Song in 2000, I want to talk about this because I need to know. I'm going to give you the list. Okay. How many of these songs are better than God loves a terrier? The list is. from the Oscar nominees, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, A Love Before Time.

Dancer in the Dark, I've seen it all. The Emperor's New Groove, my funny friend and me, Meet the Parents, a Randy Newman joint, A Fool in Love, and Wonder Boys, things have changed. We should also mention from Miss Congeniality, one in a million, was a Golden Globe nominee. And from frequency, the Garth Brooks tune, when you come back to me again was also

a Golden Globe nominee. I mean, yeah, like, yes. God Loves the Terrier is better than almost all of those. This is me going out on a limb just to say that God Loves a Terrier could have been an original song nominee that should have been.

It could have been. Listen, I am... To say I'm a Bob Dylan apologist to sound stupid. But, like, I am... I love Bob Dylan. I support this Oscar win. Bob Dylan winning an Oscar for Wonder Boys is good and correct.

A fool... Wonder Boys getting an Oscar after the wheels kind of fell off that thing. It's good for Wonder Boys. So that was the one where Bob Dylan performed. Things have changed from, like, live on tour from somewhere else, right? They, like, satelliteed him in. Bjork performed it in the room, of course, wearing a swan, introduced by Winona. writer. A Fool in

Love was performed by, do you remember? Oh, Randy Newman. And Randy Newman and, who's the female vocalist, Susanna Hoffs, Suzanneah Hoffs, wife of Jay Roach, who directed me at the parents. A Love Before Time performed by Cocoa Lee, and

my funny friend in me was performed by the original. Sting. Sting. Yes. Sting not having an Oscar is surprising to me. Sting feels like the kind of three nominations? He does. And he seems like the kind of person who during that run of like 90s and 2000s would have won an Oscar when like Dylan was winning and Springsteen was winning. Phil Collins.

Phil Collins was winning. Like it's surprising to me that McCartney didn't win for Vanilla Sky and that Sting didn't win for something. Sting Do another Trio song Like you did with Brian Adams and Rod Stewart Do another

All for One All for Love And win an Oscar Ew Not the Three Musketeer's original song Here's my question to you If Bob Dylan Somehow was out of the equation

If Wonder Boys was not that year If whatever Does Bjork have a chance in hell of winning? I mean... Or do they just give it to Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon? They wouldn't have given it to Bjork. I really just don't think that was going to happen. I almost kind of feel like they do give it to sting in this situation.

They would make Emperor's New Groove a an Oscar winner. Yeah, maybe. It's the year before they institute... the animated feature category, so we don't really know who would have been nominated for Best Animated Feature that year, although you assume Chicken Run probably would have won, right? Yeah, absolutely. Chicken Run, but like Emperor's New Groove is maybe nominated that year. What's the Pixar?

We're in between Toy Story 2 and... Monster Zank. And Monster Zank. So there's no Pixar. All right. Give me another half a second, because now I'm going to look up movies from the... It's Treasure Planet this year? Hold on. Hold on.

Treasure Planet was such a bomb, though. I'm just trying to think of what other major animated movies were in 2000. Okay, so let's see. We have... We can just edit some of this. The Tigger movie. an American tale The Treasure of Manhattan Island

An American tale Fival takes Manhattan Let's see Let's see An extremely goofy movie None of these are Too goofy This is extremely goofy

Too goofy Too goofy too furious None of these are inspiring me quite yet But we continue on Those are like earlier in the year Kind of movies The Road to El Dorado

which was a DreamWorks movie I think that probably would have been nominated so that's add that to Chicken Run and Emperor's New Groove so we've got three and maybe there only would have been three because sometimes there were only three 2001 there was only three right but what else do we have let's let's be diligent here we also would have had

um dinosaur that really boring Disney movie dinosaur but like it was so expensive would they have like broke the to campaign for it. You never know. You never know.

Maybe. Maybe. Titan A.E. is maybe what you're thinking of, which was another bomb, which was a Fox animation, and an absolute bomb. Chicken run, we've mentioned. Chicken run, I do believe, would have won. Chicken run's so good.

I believe you. Pokemon the movie 2000. Would not have been nominated. Pokemon the movie 2000, probably not. Wait, another American tale movie, an American tale, The Mystery of the Nightmaster? These have to be straight to video. Of course they are. Of course they are.

Thomas and the Magic Railroad, probably direct to video. No, of course. Buzz Light Year of Star Command, The Adventure Begins. Is that a... That is straight to video. Yeah, and a terrible way to treat your brand at that point. Just like have some kind of gatekeeping or something, guys. All right, all right, all right.

We're coming around to it. Alvin and the chipmunks meet the wolf man. What? That's before they became like the squeakwell coded and whatnot. Glad we've moved past that moment in time. The squeakwell, yeah, of course. Tweety's high-flying adventure. Don't know about it.

The Little Mermaid 2 return to the sea. Definitely straight to video. What list are you looking at? It's just IMDB's list of American films of 2000. Oh, okay. My go-to for all these things. So Scooby-Doo and the Alien Invaders, direct-to-video. Digimon the movie.

I believe that made it to theaters. Digimon and Pokemon having movies in 2000. Wow. What a different time. What a different time it was for all of us, truly. Batman Beyond Return of the Joker, I believe, was animated, but probably direct-to-video. Let's see. Joseph King of Dreams, a direct-to-video, biblical adventure from DreamWorks. It's not like a veggie tales adventure.

I mean, it's probably close to it. Who's to say? How the Grinchill Christmas? No, that's live action, obviously. Rugrats in Paris, the movie? There you go. Maybe. Maybe. That's our fourth. That's our fourth right there. So we're filling out a fiver. So what did we say? We said... Rotel Dorado Or sorry

Rotel Dorado Emperor's New Groove Chicken Run Rugrats in Paris and what do we say dinosaur? Dinosaur

Yeah dinosaur Yeah I think that's probably it We'll see if there was anything released in December Dinah snooze But that would Remember that teaser trailer

distinctly and being like Well that looks lame And it's sad And indeed it was Yeah Sounds crazy All right. What else do we want to say about... I think another sign that Best and Show really was in the ethos, at least, and they just didn't know what to do with it.

It made the AFI top 10 that year. See, this is what I'm saying. It really was just on the fringes of stuff. Read the AFI top 10, because all of these other movies are like major contenders. Along with Best and Show, they named Almost Famous Before Night Falls, Aaron Brockovich, Gladiate, creator, High Fidelity, Requiem for a Dream, Traffic, Wonder Boys, and you can count on me, the entire Best Picture lineup, except... High Fidelity. Oh, sorry. Shuckalty.

Right. We should do high fidelity at some point. We really should. I forget how many things, like it making the WGA list and the AFI top 10, like, it was definitely on the fringes. And yet, you never really heard John Cusack doesn't even get a Golden Globe nomination, which I think is... Or maybe he did. Actually, I shouldn't speak out too soon. John Cusack did get a Golden Globe nomination.

Okay, good for John, who nobody likes, apparently. Or at least that. Maybe they like him better now, although the way he tweets, maybe not. He used a lot. I'm also intrigued by this NBR Special Recognition for Excellence in Filmmaking, which is what they used to do before they did top 10 independent films. Yes. this is a good list again this is we've talked about it multiple times mary heron's american

psycho which we've covered uh Miguel art head is Chuck and Buck as you mentioned Karen Kusama's girl fight this is the Ethan Hawk hamlet it sure is the blockbuster video hamlet yes um nurse betty which we did an episode on Requiem for a Dream uh which got an Oscar nomination for Ellen Burston I don't know what shower is or maybe it's shower and it's about penises it's shower it is about a bathhouse run by a family sounds warm-hearted.

When you pull up the IMDB, the trailer is like emblazoning a bunch of audience awards. Oh, wow, from various festivals. It's that. Is it from an American movie or is it from elsewhere in the globe? I'm not sure the background of the movie.

When I was preparing our outline, I did briefly look at the film, which does not seem to be available anywhere. The other two movies that are nominated are Snatch, Guy Ritchie's Snatch, and Two Family House, which was not a movie that I am familiar with either. That's a Chris Penn joint, not Chris Penn. The actor who plays Joe Jr. and while you were sleeping. Oh, Michael Respoli. Is that his name?

I believe he is in that movie. National Board of Review 2000. Give me a second. Two-Family House is Michael Rispoli and Kelly MacDonald, and Catherine Narducci, who was also on The Sopranos, in a film by Raymond Diffelita. And then Shower is a movie from China. So there we go. Yeah, good and interesting list. A different list than the NBR Freedom of Expression Award that year, which, including included such films as A Time for Drunken Horses, Bambuzzled, Before Night Falls.

The Circle, Kaddash Quills, Sound and Fury, and The Visit. Quills is like, okay. Okay, that's a movie about censorship. We get it, but freedom of expression. Well, that's very much like Quills. Well, Quills was also their number one movie of the year. So, like, why are you taking up spot on this other list? Like, spread the wealth, man.

Quills good. Quills, entertaining. Quills doesn't need to be your best film of the year. It really, really doesn't. But that NBR, we can't talk shit about it because that was the one that gave Lupe on DeVeros supporting actress win for Chuck and Buck. My full respect to them. So it's automatically a good one. It did also, though, give best screenplay to Ted Talley for all the pretty horses. So, you know, you take the good, you take the bad. Best animated feature, chicken run. So as we said, it backs up our state. This is again This is why I will always People talk shit about the NBR And talk shit all you want

But any They have tables to sell They have And also they're just They're just throwing movies out on these lists And you know what? The more movies The more we can convince people

To watch these movies The better Because it really More and more I keep getting reminded How few movies The average American Actually a few new movies

especially, the average American watches. And it is my luck. And even like some of the biggest awards group, it's like, wow, even y'all are watching less and less movies, huh? We're all scrolling TikToks for fails compilations. That's what we're doing. We are watching ladies fall into harbors off of boats. We're watching people make vases.

Watching people make vases. We're watching Marble Runs. Marble Olympics. The Marble League has started. for 2025, go Oceanics. All right. We're watching that one restaurant in Italy, run by the two older ladies that I love to obsess with. Who are us?

Yes. Yes. Talk about a couple goals. Okay, so should we... The only other thing, the only other note that I had written down here are Stefan and Scott are such an iconic underrated queer couple. So I believe I've made that point. I believe I have, but just You know what?

On this, the 25th and of... Scott's saying, I know a guy who had two members on the same body. There's a Reddit thread for them. Here's the best thing about Scott, though, is because it's improvised, he will just sort of trail off and he will be like my weekend, I had two Saturday.

My Friday night was two Saturday nights, and I and he'll just sort of like trail off and not know how to finish it, but like, he's made his joke. He's, you know, he's made his gay joke. So that's, um, This being the 25th anniversary of Bestin's show, maybe I should pitch that as a thing. Scott and Stefan underrated iconic gay characters. I mean, maybe it should be a whole, like, series, and you talk about all of the different couples.

In that movie? I want to talk about Harlan. Let me write about Harlan. You write about Harlan. You pitch about Harlan. I bet you somebody would get you to, we'll let you write about that. What's the specific angle? What's the 2025 angle on Harlan? Harlan. Harlan, your article should just be like the untoxic man harlan pepper harland pepper didn't vote for trump i just know it that's your that's your headline harlan pepper is a good man he didn't vote for trump i believe it i i just know it um all right well you're this is your rodeo you uh you guide us uh let's move on to the i mdb game then i guess are we doing this right do you have any other notes about best in show do you

have anything else we want to say? I do not. I do not. Do we want to maybe quickly mention other TIF gala's of note? Oh, yes, we should and could and will, almost famous being one of them. Almost famous, huge at that TIF, and people were like, oh, this movie's going to make so much money, it's going to win Best Picture, and then it bombs, and then it's Oscar chances die. And you know what, though? It has remained thriving in the culture, and it's still there. also the contender a movie I keep meaning to rewatch and I imagine it will seem dated as heck

but I also imagine I will be like snapping in the air at so many things about it extremely watchable movie Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon Masterpiece Dr. T and the Women Not a masterpiece On it House of Mirth we've done an episode on it RIP, Terence Davies

Masterpiece Rest in peace, Terence Davies you are very correct In The Mood for Love You've maybe heard about it on this New York Times list. Yes, perhaps. Men of Honor, maybe we should do an episode up on that movie. Do we want to do a Cuba Gooding Jr. episode right now? Are there Cuba Issues? I don't know.

Oh, Cuba Gooding Jr. is going through the legal system, I believe, for some... I see. I did not know. Yeah. Oscar nominee, Sexy Beast would not be an Oscar nominee because it would not come out for a while. That's true. be a new 2001 movie next year. Catherine Bigelow's The Weight of Water. Now that could be a movie that we could cover.

Perhaps in time for Catherine Bigelow's new movie. And from Canada, the weight of water. And from Canada, the weight of water. Because if we talk about the weight of water, I can finally do my bit on the blank of blank movies and all the different, the blank of blank movies. How are you going to give me a quiz on the blank of blank movies? We got to do the weight of water. I won't tell you what kind of quiz I'm going to do, but let's just forget about that you suggested that.

Oh, my God. How perfect. Well, we'll hold that for October when that movie comes back. Yes. Oh, perfect. The blank of blank. The son of a bitch. Who I give me these ideas.

All right. All right. All right. Why don't you tell the listeners about the IMDB game? Hey, listeners, every week we end our episodes with the IMDB game. What is the IMDB game? It's a game. We're in, we challenge each other with the name of an actor or actress,

and we try to guess the top four titles that IMDB says they are most known for. If any of those titles are TV shows, voice only performances, or non-acting credits, we will mention that up front. It's only sporting. And after two wrong guesses, the guesser will get the titles release years, the unguessed titles release years. That's a clue. And if that is not enough, it just becomes a free for all of hints, which is the best part. Would you like to give her guests first? I am, as I often do, going to give you the choice between the easier one or the hard one. The harder one. You've been rough on me lately. I'm taking the easy one.

All right. The easier one. So, this is, of course, a Christopher Guest film, a Christopher guest joint. Famously, Christopher Guest is married to Jamie Lee Curtis, who we did on the IMDB game, but way back in 2019. And yet I still could not tell you what her known for it. So it was back in 2019, so there are many, many, many chances of it to be different today. I am also giving a repeat person, but from very, very early in the show. This is very, very early. 2019 is very, very early. No, I'm saying, I'm saying I picked somebody very early, too.

Jamie Lee Curtis, I do think everything everywhere is on there. It's her Oscar win. It's a good guess. Yes, it is. Okay. Halloween. Is not on her known for? No, you said Halloween.

Hey, as somebody who is... Oh, which Halloween? I was going to say, as somebody who's been making Cinematrix grids, I am all too well aware that she has two identical movies, two movies with the identical title. Stop it. Everyone, stop it. I know you what you did last summer that's currently in theaters as have recording. Probably won't be by the time.

Hollywood, think about what you're doing to me personally. It is such a fucking headache to have identical, especially when you have cast members who are in both of them. It is driving me crazy and it is ruining my game and they need you to stop it. Stop it. Just call it Scream 5. Just call it. I know what you did last summer, the next generation. Like, bring back specific subtitles and things.

Just give me a fucking break. Bring back the semicolon. Whatever happened to her? Whatever happened to the semicolon? She's thrott. Is that a semicolon or is a colon? You want it to be a colon. Bring back the colon.

It's worth it. Okay, so you said Halloween, 1970. Pride month is 12 months a year. Bring back the colon. Say that. Save that, sister. 1978 Halloween is there, so you're two for two. Okay.

Ooh, do I want to say 2018 Halloween is also there? Ooh. I don't think I can make that kind of a leap. We just did Freaky Friday. Do I think Freaky Friday is there? It's also trading places. There's also true lies. I'm going to say true lies.

True lies. You are three for three. There we go. Perfect score. on the table. We haven't had a perfect score in a long time, and I haven't had, I've had like one perfect score ever. No, you've had perfect scores. We haven't had any in a while. I'm going to say Freaky Friday. I'm sorry. See, this is what always happened. Not Freaky Friday. Every time. Then I'll say trading places. Not trading places. Okay. What's the year?

It's 2018. It's 2018. I'm going to, God. It's other Halloween. It is other Halloween. Oh, I'm like, if it goes two years, he's going to be so mad. I mean, I hate that. One more reason for me to hate that movie. There you go, as if you needed one, but you have it. You sure have it.

All right, what do you have for me? For you, I didn't go through Christopher Guest Associations or Christopher Guest Movies. I went into the history of movies about dogs. Oh. And I chose for you. Lassie? No, original Lassie? What's...

No, this is not Gotmick. This is, um, uh, I chose for you none other than the, the Beverly Hills Chihuahua herself, Drew Barrymore. Wow. Did you know Drew Barrymore was the Beverly Hills Chihuahua? Did not. Did not. Okay. Miss Drew Barrymore, is E.T. one of them.

It is not. Motherfucker. Is the wedding singer one of them? It's also not Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha God damn And I'm not going to help you because I'm about to give you a soup 1998

2009 2000 and 2004 So wait so not even scream No 1998 1998, 1999 2000 and 2004 Yes Charlie's

Angels is 2000. Right? Are you guessing that? Yes. Correct. Also should have had an original song nomination. Which one is the one in the first one? Oh, no, that wasn't original.

Is it original to Charlie's Angels? Cameron D and Destiny are the lyrics. You make a fair point. I'm so stupid. Lucy Lou with my girl Drew You know, maybe it could have been about something else Who were they talking about? Who do you think?

So inscrutable. All right. 98, 99, and 04. So 04, it can't be full throttle because that's 03. Oh, gosh. I mean, this was, she was thriving. Never been kissed has got to be one of those. That's 99.

That's 99. Okay. Also, Charlie's Angels had never been kissed our Totally on there, because her credit on her known for is producer. Producer, okay. Yeah, that makes sense. 04. Is it that stupid Boston Red Sox one?

Fever pitch? Yeah. No. Okay. Good. I'm not giving you hints yet because they're not struggling. No, no, no, no, no. 98, is it that movie Home Fries?

It is not home fries. Thank God. It is God. All prize, I feel like, is like, 90, six or so. No, is it really? Hold on. I would guess Home Fries was like, oh, like in the 98th to 2002 range. If anyone in the world thinks that Drew Barrymore is known for Home Fries. Listen, all of these other major movies of hers aren't showing up here.

All right. Drew Barrymore. Listen, good for you for knowing that Home Prize is 1998, though. See, is it? Okay. All right. So not the wedding singer is such a shocker, and yet it's a it's a 98 movie um 98 what is she doing it 98 what's going on for Drew in this year is it

it's not mad love right no that is like 95 that's like 95 96 definitely um as is boys on the side is 95 so we're getting less into like drew the hellcat and more into like drew the rom-com drew drew the comeback drew right like drew the ingenue almost like the the second second chance ongeny um oh it's ever after it is ever after her other 1998 movie just just breathe

that's what i remember about ever after good okay good Melanie linski performance shout out to our friend Melanie Linskyy very true um I mean, there's no such things about Melanie Linsky performance. This is also true. But she is wonderful and ever after. Yes. So you've been saying the wedding singer, this is where you rightly get mad. Oh, is this 50 first dates?

50 first dates. I know that people really like 50 first dates. They do. They do. But it's just objectively wrong. It's demonstrably the worst of the, I know they did a third movie together, but it is the worst. is the worst of the first two Barrymore Sandler movies. The Wedding Singer is...

What was the third one? Wasn't that just like... Blended? Right? It's the thing about like, right? It's like their family... They're blending their families together. But that never saw theaters, right?

No, it definitely did. It definitely did. Oh, man. I believe it predates... I fully memory. I believe it predates his Netflix deal, I think. Interesting. But no, wedding singer is like leaps and bounds.

Julia Julia, Julia, yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly right. Still, that's wild. She's also, I mean, it's not that she's bad in 50 first states, but like, she is like 10 times better than she needs to be in the wedding singer. A Drew Barrymore known for that doesn't have E.T. Wedding Singer and Scream is frankly insane. And I would say it deserves to have boys on the side as the fourth one, as I will say. No bad girls. Justice for bad girls. Just as for. To be beep beep. Donnie Darko. She says cellar door. She's the person. She's why people are making seller door. jokes to this day on Elgore's internet. Yeah, that's a wild known for, man. Even like in reconcilable differences or Firestarter or some of the like kid drew

Barrymore stuff. Like, poison ivy, man. Like, I don't know. Yeah, it's not a great known for. It's a weird known for. But you know what? It was a good episode. And I'm happy that we did it.

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