This Had Oscar Buzz - 368 – The Devil All the Time (with Katey Rich!)

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

Our annual Thanksgiving tradition means The Ankler’s Katey Rich is back! And this year, we’re got a stone cold bummer to go with the turkey! In 2020, while we were all stuck in our homes, Netflix delivered a lockdown crime saga hit with The Devil All the Time. Directed by Antonio Campos, the film follows several … Continue reading "368 – The Devil All the Time (with Katey Rich!)"

Oh, oh, wrong house. No, the right house. We want to talk to Marilyn Hack, Millen Hacks and French. Dick Pooh. There's a lot of no good sons of bitches out there. Excuse me, preacher. We got time for a sinner. You know, I studied something.

It's called the delusion. They believe that is untruth. It is our delusions that lead us to sin. Delusions! Hello and welcome to the This Had Oscar Buzz podcast, the only podcast that has Robert Stack on the case. Every week on This Head Oscar Buzz we'll be talking about a different movie that once upon a time had Lofty Academy Award aspirations, but for some reason or another, it all went wrong. The Oscar hopes died, and we're here to perform. form the autopsy. I'm your host, Chris Vile, and I'm here, as always, with my friendly

neighborhood spider preacher man, Joe Reed. We're really combining a lot of elements of this movie into friendly neighborhood spider preacher. We're already crossing the streams between Tom Holland and Harry Melling and this. Wow. And his name was Billy Ray, too. Wow. Billy Ray was a breacher's son. Wow. Didn't even think about that. And when his daddy would visit, he'd bring his spiders along. Here's the thing. I So much of this movie is set in these, like, sort of grimy environs. The CGI spiders stand out so much. So, like, they would have been better off having somebody off screen with, like, little plastic spiders on fishing wire that they would just sort of, like, dangle and drop onto his head.

Right, right. Like, that would have been less jarring than watching these little, like, Sam Ramey-style, like, you know, spiders. I mean, speaking of spider bots. Right, exactly. Like, crawling all over his face. It pulls you right out of the movie. It's crazy. The other thing about the spiders all over.

Yes. Yeah, I mean, like I was going to say, that's like strike one for the movie. So you're out of the movie pretty quick. It's very early. It's very early in the movie. Yeah. Yeah. When it happened, I was like, oh, this is the movie we're going to be watching today. Yeah.

All right. I would not put CGI spiders maybe in my top 10 of things that pulled me out of the movie. By the end of the movie, sure. Yeah, you really just, it's the tip of the iceberg, you know, it's the amuse bush for where this movie's going to go. Speaking of spiders crawling on your face, my skin is crawling with us not having introduced our guest yet. I really need to like, I'm nervous. You need to like. I think this has happened with every episode that Katie said. I don't say, I don't feel like I have to wait my turn. You don't, but like, that's on us. We need to like introduce you in. Don't you want me to just go to walk in through the kitchen door. Or be like, hey, guys, I'm back. And, uh, you know, well, that's true. That's true.

It's a Thanksgiving tradition. What else are you going to do, but just walk right in on Thanksgiving? I brought a big old turkey as I do every year. What is your family's, like, side dish that, like, is unique or is like, oh. Because I know you're the first person who ever fed me black eyed peas on New Year's. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's very important. I am sure there are some people who would do black eyed peas. on Thanksgiving, but that's a strong New Year's tradition right there. But I just, I, I associate, I'm

like, Katie's got some, like, family food traditions. Like, you also introduce me to pimento cheese. So, like, truly. Oh, God, I'm delighted by this. I hope there's a shepenot cheese somewhere in there. My mom has always made. There's, like, a salad that my mom is made. I don't know this is especially southern, it feels very Midwestern, but it's like peas and bacon and a ton of mayonnaise are all in there somewhere, and yet it kind of turns into a salad in the process. I'm into that. One of my dad's cousins would make, like, stuffing, you know, stuffing dressing, you know, like the cornbread, stuffing. It would have sliced hard-billed eggs in it.

And I always kind of like that, even though some of my family thought that it was really gross. I'm into that. We're doing a big old potluck this year, and I have yet to figure out what anybody is bringing. And apparently my mom's, like, my aunt is going to come. And apparently she will only cook the heaviest possible southern food and will not change anything. So everyone's trying to figure out what to bring to surround the dry and big of mashed potatoes. So I'll let you guys. Probably a green salad is going to be what mine is.

So is it going to be. centered around a cooked bird of some kind? Yeah, we're going to fry a turkey. I mean, that's in, you know, Oh, you fry a turkey, like in the backyard. You put the deep fire out in the driveway. I mean, this is a nice thing about Southern Thanksgiving is it can be 60 degrees. Like, it's usually a beautiful sunny day.

You sit out there with a turkey fire. And in Buffalo, you're under two feet of snow by Thanksgiving is what I assume. I do. Well, sometimes. I will say the, the old farmer's almanac, I believe, is predicting a mild winter up until, like, February this year, which is. Now, who the hell knows? Because literally the other day, I was like, it smells like snow in the air.

So, like, honestly, who knows, like, what's going to happen? Yeah, we're a week into November at this point. Times a tick and usually by now the group chat gets like a crazy blizzard video of outside Joe's home by this point. Joe, I do, like, imagine you as the guys in the Crohnest in Titanic who says you can smell ice and right before we get the Titanic. You absolutely can. The other thing is, we're a week into November, and I have. not fired up the, uh, beans, greens, potatoes, tomatoes video yet. So like, I really, I got to get into the spirit of season. I am waiting for, for you to send it to me. Yeah. I'm not going to get

Danita. It's Christmas until New Year's Day. No, Danita, it's Christmas is happening like a December first. Like, we are putting that out there. Um, wait, but so the deep frying turkey thing, because I do, I, one of the things that calms me is watching a fails compilation. Oh, yeah. The deep frying the turkey genre of fails, it really is. There are people who are just doing it right under an awning of their home. And, like, that's just not a swell idea. I think those happen when you put, like, a literally frozen turkey in the deep fire. Like, it seems very avoidable to me.

And I also will say, like, the cooking of the turkey and the driveway at Thanksgiving is one of the most gendered things in my life. Like, that is what the men do. That is what the men do. I don't really want to hang out with them. Like, I don't need to stand out there and drink beer with my breakfast. boy cousin. So I will be inside. I like the apparatus that like you're lowering the turkey where you're like you've got it rigged up to this like iron cross essentially. And you're just like lowering it into the vat. Now you you turn it into like a scientific dangerous thing and like everyone, you know, the men all go do it and they say out of the house, everybody wins. Listen, I am all for this even if it is gendered because it is striking some balance because like I know a lot of families that otherwise it's like the women have to do every. And the men sit around all day.

Give them the most, if you're only going to give them one task, give them the most important task. For my family. For my family, that manifests in slicing the bird. So slicing the bird is the task where, and we have the thing where my parents lived downstairs from my grandparents. And we would do Thanksgiving at my parents' house. So we would have dinner was downstairs in our house. but the bird would get cooked in the kitchen upstairs because that was just, it was more room to maneuver. Having two kitchens on Thanksgiving, that's incredible.

Yeah. It's to the point where now when my sister does it and she only has the one kitchen, we're like, how does anybody do Thanksgiving dinner with one kitchen? But so we, we, uh, my dad is in charge of cutting the bird, but it's always like four other men standing around to like observe. And, like, I'm the one who's like, I'll, like, hold the serving fork, like, next to, you know, and then just, like, receive the falling off. But now I'm at the point where I'm old enough and also I have watched enough, like, food network shit to know that, like, because he uses the electric knife. Like in Burkbeck Mountain. I'm just picturing the Thanksgiving scene in Burkbeck Mountain with a lot of men popped. It's the oldest thing we own in our home is the electric knife.

It's like, it's a black and. Decker, like, it's ancient, but it still works. And, like, this is very sort of, like, stereotypical, like, dad stuff, but, like, he's not getting rid of that thing until it breaks. And probably never will. It was made in the 70s. It's going to outlive us all. And so now I am annoying enough at this point where I keep sort of, like, mentioning, I'm like, you know, if you just take a knife and, like, slice it, like, crossways, and, like, right under the breast, and then you can just lift the breast right off and then just, like, carve it right on. And he's, then he's, like, patient enough with me where he's just like,

I'm just going to keep cutting it my way. Like, whatever. And it's just like, yes. Absolutely. I just need to, like, get it out of my system where I'm just like, you know, you could do it another way. You know what? You know what? It's fun. I'm happy to let him do it. So, tradition. A tradition like no other. A tradition like any other. Katie Rich here at this had Oscar buzz. This is your sixth or seventh. Oh, boy. I don't, however long you guys are doing the show. I think this is like your ninth time on the show.

Okay. But as a Thanksgiving episode. Oh, I see. No, it took us a couple years to settle into Thanksgiving being. I feel like we've done Pan. We've done Money Monster. These aren't all of them in order. This is the beans, greens.

Beans, potatoes, tomatoes, money monster, pan, about time, Everest. um uh uh uh um harry styles um oh oh my policeman that was last year my policeman that was last year i mean you really like who were the honks like which which hunts yeah like go through let's go through the our tour of hunks yeah ever so let's also not forget uh new york new york 70s mini series oh my god that was so fun what we did for just screwdress uh loss it easy um yes And as the listener exclusive, as I interviewed Charlie Honum today for his Ryan Murphy's series, and it felt like just kismet that it was the Sadd Oscar Best Special. And we talked about Las City of Z, which was delightful to me.

You know what was your first that I'd never remember is you were, you did the tourist with us. Oh, yeah. For our very first Thanksgiving episode. That really felt like the ultimate, like, the quintessential this adage was. Yeah, there is. Pan in 2019. Okay. About Time is 2020.

is 2020. I'm going backward. You had a great archives on your website, I've got to say. Well, and Chris keeps an immaculate spreadsheet, too, is the other thing. Well, you know, the tourist was... I'm trying to find my new spreadsheet. The tourist was November 20th, Thanksgiving 2018. I think it really has been Thanksgiving the whole time. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It really has been. Yeah, about time 2020. 2021 is Money Monster. 2022 is Las City of Z

23 Everest and then 24 My policeman My policeman And then here we are In 2025 And I'm never going to get to do Dunkirk We're all of these threads

I know I will say today's movie Is pretty close to like an omnibus Young Hunks A movie that we're going to get to They all Somehow less people die In Dunkirk than do in this movie

I think that's probably true For far less noble causes than defending Europe against the Nazis. Yeah. Yeah. I had seen this movie before. Was I the only one who had seen this movie before? I had not seen this movie. No.

No. Okay. I mean, we'll talk about it. But at whatever point in that curse Oscar year 2020, that it became clear to absolutely everybody that this wasn't going anywhere, I cross it off my list and move on. I think I watched it. I think I watched it. after that Oscar season just for, like, whatever, just to see what the fuss was about. You made it out, and then he said, no, no, no, no, I'm going to.

Well, and then I checked my letterbox log. I don't have a review for it on letterbox, but I did log it, and I had given it three stars. Wow. Folks, that's, some folks are pretty, okay. That's not right. That was, I, I did, I was not doing right by myself. Forfeying the letterbox logs on this movie, and especially the dates of when people were logging this movie three stars and above. It was a real stark reminder that in 2020, we really were grading on a curve. It was nice to

have real movies that were made like, like for real. I mean, I'm going to say this movie looks great. The cinematography in this movie is beautiful. Antonio Campos is a real director. You know what I mean? It's like he's, you know, say what you will about, you know, all of the films in his filmography, but like he has directed some really good ones, I think. And we should not forget television as well one of his this okay he had a true crime murder uh show during covid where somebody gets their scalp clawed off by an eagle and it's less bleak that was after yeah that was after i think right it is set in durham north carolina very important to me right it's an owl it's an owl it's 22 though that's well sure semi-covid yes but it's not like

Lockdown times. Yeah. Also where... Not one was quite as insane as they were when either making or watching devil all the time, it appears. Also where Colin Firth buries his face in Tony Colette's butt. So like... Good time head by all. It's important for the culture.

Yeah. Yeah. Very much so. Nothing of the sort happens in the devil all the time. No, although everything... It's only a nice movie where nice things happen to nice people. Everything but of... a bird of prey clawing a scalp off of somebody happens in this way.

I'm trying to think if anyone has any pleasant sexual interaction, even like on the level of putting your face in Tony Glutz's butt. I don't think so. I don't think so. Every interaction any human has another one, no matter what it is, is unpleasant in this movie. I think we, like, narrowly escape unscathed in terms of like incest in this movie. Oh, sure. I really, really, because when I was like, it's Eliza Scanlan and Tom Holland, no.

Well, and they make a point of being like, this is your step-sister. I'm like, oh, gone. I was a little unclear on how they're related. Maybe we can get into this. Like, until that happened, I was like, oh, well, his mom, Bill Scarscar's mom wanted to marry Mia Vasikaska. He doesn't marry her. He married somebody else.

And then she went to brazen. Are Bill Scarscar and Mia Vasikasca is supposed to be related? How are they still? Are Mia Vasikasca and Haley Bennett related? Was that what it is? But Haley Minn, it's like the waitress from the next town over. I was going to save this, but we kind of have to get into this because, like, it really, it really is going to provide a foundation for, like, what I think is interesting about this movie that I don't like.

It's kind of the Bible. The big ass. Because it's just like, well, let me tell you this long generation's long story where all of these horrible things happen to this. these interconnected families. Yep, but everyone will be like, read the book instead. Not being able to tell how these characters are related or not related is kind of like the Bible. Yeah. Yep.

Sins of the Father. It's a little as old as time. It's a lot. It's a lot. Much like the Bible. It's a lot. Yeah. I was thinking, what's the Easter movie that you love, Joe?

The Ten Commandments. Is it the Tink of Manas? I thought it was a different one. I don't know. How does this compare to your favorite biblical he'll pick? Is this the devil all the time? Well, I do love a star-studded cast. No matter, I've talked about this before, how I am probably of the three of us the most apt to be sucked in by a movie with a good cast but shaky foundations or the undergirding is maybe not strong. But it's like, but the cast. it's so good. And this is full of a lot of mostly younger performers who I have really liked in things, or, like, I'm, you know, optimistic about. Many of them this year. Like, several people who have seen give excellent performances in the last three months. Well, and, like, Mia Vasikovska, who was, like, kind of in an ebb in her career,

but was about to, like, come back in in a big way with. Bergman Island, so there was that. And, like, people like Haley Bennett, who, like, I've, like, low-key loved and, like, have been waiting for her to, like, break through forever. And, like, she had a lockdown movie, the movie where she keeps, uh, eating, swallow, eating thumbtacks and whatnot. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and she's so good in that. Um, Eliza Scanlan had already been in sharp objects, speaking of swallowing thumbtacks. Um, Riley Keough had already been in American Honey and several other things, but like American Honey was the thing, but like...

Yeah, well, this is the same year as Zola also. Mm-hmm. See, that kind of thing freaks me out. I feel like the Zola, because I feel like the Zola Twitter thread was locked out. In 2020? Oh. That's my memory. I think it just came back because of the movie.

And Zola was even like 20. 2020 Sundance didn't hit theaters until 21. Oh, did it? Oh, I talked about that same year. Okay. It was the Problemista of that,

like how Problemista premiered before the strike and then did not actually get seen by anybody until after the strike. Doesn't this movie have the vibe of where like, wow, got all these great people I've never heard of it. Like, it must have been filmed and put on a shelf

for five years. It's like, no, they made it like a year before. everyone signed on thinking this was going to be a hot new thing, and then the entire world changed, and the movies was bad. My sense is that the novel was fairly well appreciated, right? Yeah. I know I sometimes read the book. I had not read this book. I don't know anything about it. I feel like in a lot of the letterbox logs that I saw, people were sort of like comparing it negatively, usually to the book. the book seemed to be like kind of pulpy prose you know the type of literary thing where you can get lost in the language of it and that was published in 2011 it looks like so um but yeah like it had won a handful of little prizes mostly in France um I don't know what that says about like the book was loved mostly in France um but yeah I mean, a book can get away with the multi-generational saga.

Not just the Bible. He's not the only one that gets away with it in a way that, like, I mean, it feels like it's based on a book, like the author of the book is the narrator in this. And I do think it's one of the performances in the movie. But he's like, he's kind of nailing that, that like tone. Yeah. But you can just sense kind of around every corner of being like, I can imagine a book version of this feeling captivating and this just feeling like it's laying there, slap me in the face a whole time. Yeah, well, and I also feel, yes, if you're sort of faced with, you know, and have to hear, which we'll get into also, you know, a lot of these folks putting on accents and, I don't know, I feel like, I feel like a novel also unfolds more slowly, and I feel like you can sort of feel the generational passing of time and that kind of a thing, whereas a movie, necessarily, even a not-a-short movie, and this is 138 minutes, necessarily has to condense

things. Jake Gyllenhaal, a producer on this movie. He did not decide to star in it, but a producer on this movie. When do you think he would have been the Bill Scarsguard part or something? I mean, I think he could have done the Pattinson part. He could have done the Patent. Oh, man, I got so many Patents and thoughts. He'd really, like, Mr. Musick'd up that Patinson part, too.

Like, I feel like Jake's better instincts would not have won out. I don't think having to play out. This would not have been a happy home for Jake Jell and all. This is not a good movie for anyone's better instincts to the movie. Although I am, I think, you know, Chris, you wrote the notes, like, who is good in this movie? I do think we might have, we might have a healthy debate. I look forward to that. I look forward to that conversation.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't, and yet, I don't think it's, I was, I was about to say, I don't think it's any of the actor's fault. I don't, I don't really know who. whose fault this is, because I don't necessarily think it's poorly directed, poorly written. It's just a lot to ask of an audience and to make this kind of epic length, super violent, you know, very dark material that's, I don't, it's like a backwoods, not even like backwoods, no country for old men, because like that has like kind of a theme to hang on.

on. And I don't really even think there's, like, an idea here. Loving in the backwood seems real hard. Yeah, it seems rough. Well, it made me, I mean, we may talk about the Antonio Campos, like Sean Dork and Brady Corbe, like, the area of the world at some point. But I did think of the Brutalist a couple times. This movie shot by Lil Crowley, who was an Oscar for the Brutelist, so that's part of why it looks so great.

And the Brutalist has some of that kind of epic messiness where, like, you're jumping ahead in time, and you're like, where am I? Like, who's this guy? like, why are we with this person and Scott, you know, the guy Pierce character who, uh, who would fit right in with some of these guys. Well, I was going to say, there is, there is that element of just like, you know, the darkness in the hearts of, of man. Yeah. And like, and I love the brutalist and I really went with it in that movie. And I think it's more successful in many ways than the devil all the time. But it did just make me feel like it's, it's only really a couple

matters of degree between degrees, right? Like, you can, like, just turn the dial a little too hard and wind up in a big, fat mass the way you do here. Well, when you're adapting, a novel like this and a story like this, I imagine that the temptation to really kind of roll around in it is strong, especially because there is a, there are people who have been able to go big and succeed. It's just, it's hard. It's, it's, it's really asking, you know, it's asking a lot. And I think this movie, I think Campos kind of loses control of it or something. It reminded me, we were talking on text earlier today about American Horror Story and Ryan Murphy and all this sort of stuff. It reminded me this movie had those like American Horror Story instincts.

It reminded me of like some of those seasons where like every new scene feels like we are going to depict or comment upon some new, like, I read a story in, you know, wherever about people, these preachers who put poisonous spiders on their faces. Or I heard

about these serial killers who are a married couple who, you know, take pornographic photos and then murder the hitchhikers that they pick up or whatever. And it's like all of these all of these things where it almost feels like were you ever to complain, the filmmakers would be like, but this kind of thing happens.

You know, this kind of thing happens, you know, in the world. And it's just like, yeah, I think the parts that frustrate me the most are the bookended parts that try to comment on the war, right? Yeah, because it's between war periods. Right. Right. Bill Scarsguard is sort of like scarred by, no pun intended, by his experience in the Pacific Theater of World War II. And then the end of the movie, the voiceover for Tom Holland's character talks about how he'll probably end up in Vietnam. And, right, this whole, like, this movie has spanned this period between two wars. And I think, and maybe this comes across better in the novel. But I think... Campos doesn't really do a good enough job for me of saying something interesting about that in the middle of the movie, other than, I guess, to live up to the horrors of war, we are going to show the horrors of, you know, that human beings can inflict upon each other outside of war. And it's like, but it's all, like, they're kind of inflicting horrors in each other.

And it's not random, but it's like there's, and it's not like they all have to be motivated by the same thing. But even when you get like two different charismatic creature, preacher characters who are kind of like, doing the same thing. Or like, Harry Mellie's preacher is kind of motivated in the same way that Balscar's character is. And like, it just feels like it's like walking around in this circle of depravity and you're not getting anywhere with any of it. It doesn't, like, it doesn't need to be like telling you about like, well, this is why people do bad things. It doesn't go into any particular direction. Well, they just don't like, none of them really. feel like characters properly, which is part of it. Like, you don't care that, I mean, maybe there are some people who you care about bad things happening, too, but they all kind of feel like they're just, like, being moved around on this little board of, like, here's something awful that could happen to you in rural West Virginia in the 50s. Yeah. And it's not just violence, too. There's a lot of, like, mental illness at play here. There's a lot of poverty. Rape. Don't forget that. Yeah. So it's like, it's, it's just kind of this catalog of unpleasantness told in episodic fashion

that just I don't really I guess you know the bookending of the wars too you could at least speak to the violence of this movie about like how it brings the violence home or something you know but

it I kind of at every moment I was like what is this for who is this for yeah yep yeah yeah the devil all the time hey am i supposed to sum this movie up at some point i'm nervous about it i feel like you guys get like if the guest has to do the 60 second pot description you got to let us get it off our shoulders at some point one of us said this should be our next movie though at some point one of us looked at the cast of this movie and was like well that well that fits into our pattern it totally fit and i continue and i think like the much more interesting thing about talking this movie to me is like leslis in it being like how did riley kio get here? How did Bill Scarsgarg get here? How did Sebastian? Like, how did everything lead to these

guys thinking this was a good idea? What? I'm not sure you guys can maybe tell me, like, I don't think I learned anything about what these actors are capable of for making this movie, but it is interesting as a stopover in basically all of them have gone on to more successful things since then. A lot of them had more successful things going on during, like, lockdown. Like had more, like, you know, I mean, Pattinson's the easy example, because he's in Tenet also during lockdown. And, like, y'all know how much I love Robert Pattinson and Tennis. Oh, yeah. But, like, a lot of these other people, Haley Bennett, I mentioned, and I don't know, I'm sure we'll end up going through the filmographies of a lot of these folks.

Kind of the only one that makes sense to me is Tom Holland because he's between Spider-Man movies, which it's like, you know, and the way career choices go from that, it can often be like, well, now I'll make a serious one. You know, it's scare quote, serious movie. Yes. Tom Holland is an actor who, I mean, whatever, let's get into this on the other side of the plot just talk about the fact that Tom Holland is an actor who I really, really like, who, aside from the Spider-Man movies, just does not seem capable of picking a good project. Yeah, this came out, I guess, a year before Cherry, the Apple TV Plus series. That was a movie. No, that was a movie. No, it was a movie. No, it was a movie. I think that came out in, like, February of 21 because it was in the same Oscar season. It was eligible, yes, for those Oscars. Right. That's right. To the point where, like, as we were getting down to it, I was like, is he going to get nominated for, is somebody going to get nominated for Cherry?

Is that going to get, like, a screenplay nomination? It did a real, like, Malcolm and Marie just kind of popped up right at the very end there. It did a real Malcolm and Mary. Sorry, I was getting confused with the crowded room. Which was a TV show and it was very bad. A couple years later, which was also terrible. No. It was very bad.

Tom Holland was really going through it in this piece. I mean, he's going to be Spider-Man again and in The Odyssey. So we just, we want, we want good things for him, I think. I'd put in a lot of hope on The Odyssey to really. Why isn't Pattinson in it? Or is he in it? I think he might be. I think he's in it.

Oh, yeah. He's on Wikipedia. I mean, honestly. Who isn't? Because Pattinson's going to be back in, like, movies that make money again because he'll have this, he'll have another Batman. Yeah. I'll still, I'll spend the rest of my life wondering who he could have played in Oppenheimer

and wondering why we didn't get it. spiritually wrong that he's not in Oppenheimer. It really is. It doesn't make any sense. Well, Oppenheimer didn't wear a scarf, but he could have played Oppenheimer's scarf. He could have just been FDR rolling through a scene at some point. I feel like I had a theory at one point about who he would have been well. And maybe he would have been maybe Dane Dahan, like someone who's like a little famous in like a pretty big role.

I mean, Deng Deng Danehan's great in that movie. I'm not going to take that. He also could have been the Casey Affleck character. Sure. Yeah, he's really good in that movie, though. He could have been his tenant character. He could have been Romney Mel. That's why I equate him to the scars.

That would have been wild. He could have been his tenant character, though. Wouldn't have that had been amazing? Yes. Back from the future. Now you make me want to watch Tenet again, Joe. That's not where I thought this was amazing. You should.

That movie rules. All right. Joe, would you like to tell the listeners about our Patreon? Listeners, have you ever heard of this place, Patreon? It's amazing. No, we have a Patreon exclusive edition to our podcast, This Had Oscar Buzz, which we call

This Had Oscar Buzz Turbulent Brilliance. If you sign up for it for the low, low price of $5 a month, you will get two, count them, two bonus episodes, every month dropping on the first Friday and then the third Friday of every month. That first Friday of the month, you will get what we call an exceptions episode. And those are episodes dedicated to a movie that we would have loved to have covered on flagship.

This had Oscar buzz, except for the fact that it got an Oscar nomination, or maybe two, or in some cases, three. But it was still, you know, had a lot of Oscar expectations, but of a fairly disappointing result. These are movies like, let's say, Tim Burton's Big Fish, or Mike Nichols' Charlie Wilson's War, or Barbara Streisand's The Mirror Has Two Faces. Or Baz Luhrman's Australia, which our good friend, K.B. Rich right here, was our guest on earlier this month. Strong feelings on that one. Yes. Earlier this month, we pondered the big questions. We were not afraid to tackle the big questions, like is all lost because we covered Robert Redford and all is lost.

That's a Thanksgiving treat. Should we spoil what the December exception is going to be? Oh, we absolutely should. So, Chris, let him have it. We just mentioned that Katie Rich was on for our Australia episode. Katie's coming back again for December. It's Avatar Month, baby. We're talking James Cameron.

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Everyone is supposed to be from the same town but they are all from a different town, a different town of the line. To the point where, like, the just passing through transient serial killers are, like, blood related to one of the mainstay characters in this movie is like, what is happening here? What's going on? The film was written by Antonio Campos and Paolo Campos, starring, Deep Breath, Tom Holland, Robert Pattinson, Riley Keogh, Jason Clark, Sebastian Stan, Bill Scarsguard, Eliza Scanlan, Mia Vasa, Kovska, Harry Melling, Banks Repetta, and Drew Starkey sneaks in there. Can I tell you, I completely failed to clock Drew Starkey. I didn't clock him at all. I don't think I know what Drew Starkey looks like.

Chris, save us, save us, Chris. Who is he? Who is he in this movie? Uh, he is credited as, because I, too, did not notice Drew as Tommy Mattson. Is he one of the bullies? Is he one of the victims? Is he the guy that Bill Scarkey, Garzgard almost like drowns in mud? Oh, I mean, so any one of the bullies, one of the victims, or that guy all could be the same thing. Hold on. Let me try an image search. Everyone is one of the same. Yeah, I think if Drew Starkey is not in his costume from queer, I don't know what he looks like.

Oh, yeah, he's one of the guys who gets beat up by either Bill Scarsgard. It looks like Bill Scarsgard, I guess. Because also Tom Holland, like, beats up some... Yeah. No, exactly. He meets up a lot of people. Oh, he's the one who's having sex in a school bus, according to a screenshot of the TikTok that I'm finding. Yeah.

Right before Tom Holland comes to beat him up, I think. I think. I watched... I didn't, like, I was on a plane. I actually watched this movie, and I'm seeing to be like, did I miss a scene in here? I mean, Katie, were your fellow passengers just, like, giving you the weirdest looks as you Dplane.

No, I got one of those very lucky moments where I didn't have anyone in the middle seat. Oh, yeah, okay. So, yeah, he's one of those. Yeah, so the reason TikTok is not like because he's on a school bus trying to have sex with a girl and he pulled his pants down and you wonder if he's going to pull his dick out. So I assume that's why this is on TikTok. Oh, sure. And then Tom Holland beats him up. That's good.

You didn't think there could be a fan cam edit of this set to a song. You are wrong. Oh, fantastic. All right. movie opened in finger quotes Select theaters I can't believe they even tried that line September 11th

2020 and then was on Netflix on the 16th Oh boy Netflix didn't try to during I guess why would they But like this would have been the time That they were like

Drive-in, remember when Drive-ins had like this mini revival Sure because it was the only place we could like safely get Remember when there were drag shows at drive-ins? Like, people were, people were fined in any way to get up there. I interviewed Diane Warren at a drive-in. Wait, really?

Yeah, Film Fest 919, R-I-P when it was in Chapel Hill. She came down for... Oh, my God. I remember what her... This was in 2021, I think. They did it at virtual that... They did it outside that year, too. We sat on stage in a drive-and-it was cold.

Great. Wow. What a time. Yeah. This is a very interesting episode for us to do, opening box office, because the number one movie in its second weekend, Tenet, making a whopping $6.6 million. Man. I mean, in my memory, I think I forgot Tenet even actually did open in 2020.

I thought they waited until... Oh, that was the whole... Like, Christopher Nolan was like borderline irresponsible being like, I will open my film in theaters. Well, he took it upon himself to save the industry, and they were going to save the industry, as soon as it was safe to do so. They kept pushing that movie, kept pushing that movie,

and it was basically Labor Day, right? And then Tom Cruise went and got all the credit for saving the industry. Sure did. Yep. The rest of that top five, in this order, the new mutants. But wait, it gets more cursed, unhinged.

Now, I was going to say, that's the Russell Crow Road Rage movie. Oh, right. What was the news? name of that distributor too that came to be and also died during COVID like Oh I don't know

Mustard Entertainment Yes The precursor to catch up entertainment Relish International film Solstice Studios Solstis Studios Wow found it on October 2nd

2018 Wow They really birded bright For a moment there And then it was over What's this next one, Chris. The Broken Hearts Gallery, because we needed a rom-com in theaters, because we couldn't have

all Red State Road Rage movies. Who was in the Broken Hearts Gallery? Geraldine. Oh, you know. He's in that one. Oh, Geraldine Vizwanathan. Well, in Dacre Montgomery, who is in Dougman's Wire with Bill Skarkard. And also, or at least was in Stranger Things.

Yes, I believe people knew him from Stranger Things, and that's a blind. spot for me. I never know. He was... He was... He was... He was essentially introduced, like, walking across, like, a poolside patio with no shirt on and stranger things, and everybody was like, oh, okay, got it. Oh, yeah, okay.

Oh, and the guy from... Is that the guy from ghosts? Yes. Got it. Ghosts. And Molly Gordon. Just everyone, maybe we should do this next year, Broken Hearts Gallery. Yes.

What? COVID contender. Oh, Sheila McCarthy from women talking. And Bernadette Peters? What the fuck? Oh, sorry. Sorry. I was concentrating on the Bergenhears Gallery Wikipedia page. That's amazing. Well, after all those weekends, now I've wrapped the Wikipedia page for the time. I don't know what this movie is done anymore.

Good, because you can't use it to cheat because now that we have set the stage, Katie, you must give a 60 second plus. description for the devil all the time. Are you ready? Oh, boy. What an easy one for this. Yeah, let's give it a shot. All right. Then your 60-second plot description of the devil all the time starts now.

Okay, Bill Scarsgaard comes home for World War II. He sucks at a diner, meets a pretty waitress, takes her home and marries, or she's Haley Bennett. They have a kid. It's the kid from Armageddon time. But then the mom gets sick of cancer. Bill Scarsguard, it's going a little crazy. He kills himself.

The kid winds up an orphan. He winds up moving in with his grandparents who are raising a different orphan, who we, as a as we have seen in flashbacks, is being raised by Mia Vasakowska. She seems nice. And Harry Melling, who's a crazy preacher who puts spiders on his face.

They wind up dying. He kills her in another fit of religious fervor, not related to the one that those cars start had. He gets picked up this pair of this couple who drive around and pick up hitchhackers and have sex with them and murder them. So they wind up these two girlfriends. They're eventually played by Eliza Scanlon and Tom Holland.

She winds up in a relationship with a different charismatic preacher who is Robert Pattinson. Tom Holland is just mostly mad. out about all the shit that's happened to him. And tries to go around and beat people up. And then Eliza Gaelin gets pregnant and kills herself. But she doesn't really want to, but then she does anyway. Because only bad things happen.

Somewhere around there, Sebastian Stan is related to Riley Keough. He figures out his sister is going on murdering people. There's a mafia, I think, in there somewhere. The plot all gets more and more convoluted. It speeds up and convoluted it as it gets toward the end. And eventually, Tom Holland kills Sebastian Stan. Everyone else wind up being shot. I don't totally remember how.

And Tom Holland hit strikes and falls asleep in the car with a hitchhiker, which just feels like in this world is going to lead to a bad end, but we don't see how it happens because it ends after that. Only 24 seconds over. That is such an achievement. I really wanted to try to keep this second incites. Joe, I think we're just

this is our show and we're the ones who are bad at it. Yeah, that's fine. That's always pretty good at it. I'm trying to, now who did I leave out? I love how the voiceover at the end of the movie fully acknowledges the fact where he's like, I'm falling asleep. It's probably not a

idea. Considering everything else that's happened in this movie, I'll probably get killed or, like, taken into sex slavery or something. I think multiple people fall asleep in Jason Clark and Riley Keough's car and then wake up and they're like, shit, this didn't go well. Like, I just wouldn't do that. Yeah. Also, like, I understand that, like, pure logic is probably not going to come into too much in this. But, like, what exactly was the reason that Sebastian Stan decided to, like, go out of his way to hunt down Tom Holland. Revenge for killing his sister, even though he knew he, like, had to know that, like,

he knew what his sister and her husband were up to? I think it is revenge question mark. But, like, that doesn't make much sense because, like, he- Oh, no, I think he's trying to track him on because he killed Robert Pattinson. But also, like, why, who cares? I guess because he's running for office and he feels like he needs to crack that case. Yeah, it's something when he's, like, trying to, like, again, there's, like, these mafioso guys, like, there's a bar.

and there's like a... Yeah, yeah, they're definitely putting the squeeze on him for something. Douglas Hodge is the mafia guy, right? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, by the time Douglas Hodge showed up, I was like, not fucking Douglas Hodge and this movie. I do think Sebastian Stan is the most bad, but not entirely his fault, because he has no place in this movie whatsoever. And every time he pops up, you're just like, no, get out here. Yeah, that character has absolutely no place in this.

Yeah, but I do think it's like the whole... Like maybe two hours in he walks into Riley Keogh's apartment, you're like, excuse me, they're connected to each other, and he's her brother, and it doesn't make any. And again, she and Jason Clark are playing a couple who pick up hitchhikers and then murder them, and yet they live in the same town all the time. So like- Crazy, or was it not clear until a ways in that they murder these hitchhikers? Like, because they kill Harry Melling because he messes, he says he won't have sex with

Riley Keogh, but like, I thought they were just, like, taking the. pictures for their own, like, weird frills, and the guy would get to, like, leave and go about his business. Did you all think that they were killing them? I did. There's some, like, suggestive dialogue, but you don't actually see them killing anyone until Harry Melling. Well, but also, it's the idea that, like, that's, like, an archetype.

Like, that is, like, there were, like, at least a couple examples of, like, real life, like, thrill-kill couples or whatever who would do that. So once I saw that that's what was going on, I sort of, like, connected the dots. But that's sort of the American Horror Story thing, too. Of, like, American Horror Story seasons mostly end up as a patchwork of, like, it's the thing that it's about. But then, like, it also becomes a patchwork of, like, all these other sort of, like, urban legends and real life stories of the macabre and, like, real murderers and, like, the ghost of Valerie Salinas and whatever. And it's just, like, all these things just get thrown at the wall. And, like, that's sort of what this, like, throwing in the, like, you know, whatever, like, didn't they make a movie about that with, like, Helen the Bonham Carter or whatever?

It was, like, the, like, Broken Hearts Killers or something like that. Not the Burnt Hearts Gallery, the movie would be able to the same thing. No, different one. That's what that's about. It wasn't, like, this is going to bother me because it was definitely something was made about that. Also, wasn't there like a Helen Mirren Joe Pesci movie that also maybe? Are you thinking you have the leisure seeker? No, I am not.

They were driving around in that one. That's Donald Sutherland. That's, yes. Yeah, they were definitely driving around the countryside. I know which movie you're talking. Oh, the Love Ranch, which is not about that. I don't think it, I don't know if it necessarily did. I'll figure it out.

If you guys talk, I'll figure out what movie. Well, I do feel like it's a recurring blank check joke, but it did feel very like Jason Clark being cucked in every movie that he's in. But like, the fact that it just when it happened and this is like, my God, it is true. I love Jason Clark. What are the other Jason Clark cucked movies, though? Because I've heard that joke, too. The big one.

Sure, yeah, he's definitely. One of the more famous cucks in cinematic history. Well, in literature, too, as well, yeah, yeah. I don't honestly, like, in Mudbound, I think. I don't remember the plot of Mudbound that well. I don't remember his part in the club. I don't think Carrie Mulligan has an affair in Mudbound. No, I don't think so.

Nothing's having an affair in that movie, aren't they? Maybe. I don't know. But with who? I don't know. And for what? I don't remember that. Yeah, I don't know.

Time to Wikipedia, this podcast is just nothing but crazy. That's fine. Wikipedia rabbit holes. Like, Garrett Headland's in this movie in Mudbound. In Mudbound. Yeah. Is she, like, she didn't get one brother with another one? Oh, maybe, yeah.

I mean, if you have the opportunity to sleep with Garrett Headland, you're going to take it. I know. Garrett Hadland, very well could have been done all the time had it been made five years earlier, so he can think his... It's sort of strange that he's not. not like honestly he had a whole string of like the movie opens with uh voiceover saying in the beginning there was garret headlund he had a real string of sweaty t-shirt movies and like this could have very well been another sweaty t-shirt movie for garret headlands like yeah yeah you know honestly like not as much sweat in this movie as you would think for like given for where it is and

what everybody's up to yeah like everybody like robert patten said should just be like dripping sweat all over everybody like it you know what it made me think of a little bit chris and I did the Ethan Hawke, Gwyneth Paltrow, um, great expectations recently. And like the early part of that movie where they're like, just like living in a swamp and whatever, that felt a little like, oh, like the devil all the time like, uh, wants to exist in that universe, but like just like, mythical Appalachia. Yeah, or just, or just like, because like there are, there are so many things that like

mythologize southern poverty in you know various different guises right it's it's you know your swamp movies you're sort of like

bayou swamp movies your Appalachia movies I guess it's less sweeter than the swamps because this is Ohio West Virginia Virginia Kentucky and Pennsylvania right but then you get into your

like midnight in the garden of good and evil which is like you're like you're like like Savannah and like all of these just have like there's always murder and happening like somewhere like there are just you know there are killings happening that's not fun murder up i did look at it up kerry mulligan does sleep with garrant headland and mudd honestly it appears good for her jason good for her dot gift yeah yeah yeah what's yours gary mulligan yeah can i ask who we think

is good in in devil all the time okay come oh my number one with a at his Harry Melling. Okay. I think he's a great actor. Why is he better at being the charismatic shitty preacher than Robert Pattinson? It doesn't make any sense, but he absolutely is. I think he's going to be one of our better character actors. Like, I think every time Harry Melling shows up, I'm like, oh, great, he's going to like

ace this for five minutes and be gone. That's precisely what he does. Which is why I'm so excited to see Pilly and raise a lead. I know. I think he's very good. I honestly, I think Bill Scarsgard is pretty good. doing what he's doing. I also think he's really good.

And, like, so I, in the beginning of this movie, he shows up in that diner, Haley Bennett's there, Riley Keough and Jason Clark are there. He gets back to the house, like Banks Rapada shows up. I think we're all happy to see little baby Banks Repetta before Armaged in time. Absolutely. The movie is working in those early parts, I think. And I think Bill Scars Guard works as that character. And he kind of falls apart because there's this notion of religious fervor that, again,

hits him and Harry Melling for seemingly unrelated reason that it does. has nothing to explore violent religious ideology. Right. I think Bill Scarsgard and Haley Bennett also have really good chemistry. Haley Bennett's another person who's never bad. Yeah. Yeah. And, like, he's not in the movie much because of this is the way that the movie is structured.

And just, like, somewhere around when both of their characters die. And there's, like, the weird flashback, too, where you hear that Mia Vossikas was going to die and then the story moves on and it goes back to it. And you don't see it for, like, another half hour. It's so strange. I don't know what it. And it doesn't even tell you that she's going to die. It tells you how she's going to die. Like, it, like, it, like, essentially, like, narrates that whole scene.

I don't understand what the point of that was. Yeah. But, yeah, there's this, there's, when you're first getting into this movie and you're meeting these characters, like, by the time Robert Pattinson shows up, there's kind of not a chance for him to work. Like, the movie has already fallen apart. And those early scenes, all those, like, those first guys, they, they make it work for a little while, I think. He also is just, like, I sometimes can't fault somebody who's in. a bad movie from being like, well, why don't I just try something? You know what I mean? Like, why did I just go for something? And he certainly is going for something.

Wait, who are we talking about? Patenson. A Pattinson, yes. But he's going to something. The Belling is also going for something. Yeah. I just, like, Harry Balling has already gone so big that by the time Pattinson shows up, you're like, there's got to be something else to it. And he's just kind of doing this like a, like a quieter version of that slime ball thing. It's just, there's just nothing to hook yourself into. I mean, I guess he's doing a voice, but I've seen Mickey 17. I know how good the voice can get. Yeah.

I think the thing about Pattinson, I think it might just come down to, like, the modes that we appreciate him in best, right? We're like, I don't think we always need him to be playing, like, a good guy. but like there is a he really has to work too hard to beat down the charm out of his performance that like I'm not sure if it ultimately is ever worth it would just like just play a charming person instead like just I like the lighthouse well I like him in the lighthouse see see see but I do but I also don't ever want to see The Lighthouse again. No, I don't either. You don't want to watch a movie about farts? I think the Lighthouse is a lot of fun.

It's very silly. You know what movie I've never seen is the shot of a leader? Is he in much of that? That's the Brady movie. I think he doesn't show up until like the very end of that. That's what he likes to do. He likes to pop in for a little bit. I do also want to see that movie though, like reading up on it and whatnot.

Yeah, I need to see it. Yeah. I'm so excited for whatever he'll be doing in Dune. Oh, right. Everybody's in Dune. Yeah. Certainly after seeing the boys from Brazil, I do want to see the childhood of a leader, where I feel like it's now all of a sudden I have to, like, complete everything where it's like my childhood Hitler sort of thing.

Yeah, yeah. You guys both have to see it. I have to, like, I have to hear back from you. I got to see it. Yeah, I guess I don't, I don't think that Pattinson is bad, but I think. that like he just he has an opportunity put in front of it doesn't take anything with it and I don't know I don't really know why I don't know why you wouldn't just kind of like you know blow the roof off like Harry Melling did the people who have to take over the like final stretch of the movie I feel bad for because it's like not to keep using the same metaphors that I always do but like it is like kind of jumping jumping into double dutch in this movie um like you know and the jump ropes are just knives you know Right. Yeah, I don't fault Holland. Like, I really don't. I feel bad for Tom Holland. Yeah. Because it's like, he maybe has the least interesting character. And, you know, he has to suddenly become the lead of this movie with, I think, less to do than even, like, Haley Bennett, who, like, shows up and dies very quickly. Yeah. I was trying to remember, like, in the 60s, I could pot and I was like, he gets mad on behalf of Eliza to Scanlan. And then on behalf of his death. I guess. Like, it's just like a revenge thing. He also gets mad on behalf of his grandmother

and her chicken levers. Oh, yeah, and the chicken levers, which look delicious. I had to rewind that scene to be like, what did Maddenson say that made her sad? He just, like, called it out as being like poor people food, which is a real dick move. He's like, I'm going to allow all of you to eat real meat while I choke down these organs because that's all these poor fucks we're able to bring to the potluck. But yeah, he just is like, an angry young man. And you think about how Bill Scarsgaard, it kind of is the same thing, but there's a lot going on for him. Like, he's got the religious aspect of it and, like, you know, trauma and being a dad, and Tom Holland is just kind of stuck, which is, like, how it has felt

in so many of his, like, well-intentioned non-Spiderman roles. It feels right in line with that. I went back for, uh, I watched a few of the clips of him in The Impossible, uh, the other So good in The Impossible. And he really is just incredibly good, regardless, like, even taking out the nature of his performance and the fact that, like, the scene where he and his brothers reunite, I'm just like, ooh. Yeah. But he's just, he's really so good. I imagine he was quite good as one of the Billy Elliott's of stage. Oh, my God.

God, I would have loved to see that. Right. Tony winner Tom Holland, right? Or was he on the West End? I think he was on the West End. I don't think he was one of the Tony winners. But obviously the impossible leads to the like the Spider-Man casting, which there's like four years in the middle of there, which I think is where he ends up doing Billy Elliott on stage. But I could be wrong.

Bill Elliott was before the impossible. He was upgraded to the play. barely until 2010 and impossible. There we go. I think he's really, really good as Peter Parker in the Spider-Man movies. I think he's, he, we were coming off of the Andrew Garfield run. And I'm incredibly glad that Andrew Garfield finally got to have his moment in the third Marvel Spider-Man movie and, like, be awesome because he was. But nobody liked those Andrew Garfield Spider-Man movies.

Nobody liked what he was doing. Everybody was like, he's too much of a sarcastic shit. Like, he's, he's like, he's a real asshole in those movies. And, like, I- But Andrew Garfield is such a sweetie pie that he didn't make any sense for that to be him. Right. Like, why is his Peter Parker a cocky asshole? And with Holland, I think they just, they lock into, I think, a good energy for him.

And obviously, he's playing this, like, American kid. and he's really good at it and he's really good at the accent and all that kind of thing and so that clicks so quickly and like immediately at Captain American Civil War

you're like well all right we've got it and we've got it he's in like 15 minutes of that movie yeah but he just like he rules and then so I think everything then becomes his Spider-Man movies or his other things so he's in

Lost City of Zee dead. I don't know what this Edge of Winter movie is. He and Harry Belling are both unless it he was out, which I totally forgot Harry Milling is in that. I don't remember who he plays. We watched his movie together like two years ago. I don't remember. So anyway, it all comes back to that movie. Some of these movies I've never heard of. Edge of Winter, I don't know, Pilgrimage, I don't know. The current war, which is a...

Which I can't believe we've not... We will at some point do. A real misbegotten, like, Circumstances were aligned against that movie, but also that movie is not very good. I saw, I think, most of the current war. Another airplane movie? Oh, at Tiff. Well, no, I saw it Tiff. I had, like, leave to go do something, and then, like, the wine scene, nobody fell apart, and I think they recut it.

Like, I had seen the real version, and then, I don't know, I didn't get the rest of it. They even released it into theaters, like, with the current war, colon, recut, or something. They put, like, another title on it, because the Rock. Tomato's score was so bad. Wow. He's the lead who isn't Will Smith in Spies in Disguise. Are we one of the spies in disguise now? Well, like he does a bunch of like voice stuff, right?

He's the voice of one of the animals in, Dr. Doolittle. Is it just called Doolittle? Crazy amount of voice cast for that movie. This is where I'll ride for Onward, though. really good Pixar movie. He and Chris Pratt are brothers really good at it. It's very sweet. Not everybody likes that movie, I will say. I know. It has a really bad reputation. I really ride, like, that in Strange World, like, the truly misbegotten, like, Disney Pixar adventure movies I both really like. So for the longest time, I only experienced it as a meme on gay Twitter with the, um, with the lesbian, um, with the lesbian, monster cop. Yes. Yes. The Cyclops. Where she opens her eyes and it's super bass, starts playing. When is an excursion's episode going to be Joe and press explaining gay Twitter to Katie and, like, Quizby?

Oh, my God. Whatever you want. That would be tremendous. Just going through like meme after meme. I don't know what Stan Twitter is. What is this, Gini? That would be great. And yeah, devil all the time then, end of 2020.

Cherry, early 2021. Chaos Walking was another one where it was that. What is that? It's based on a graphic novel, right? That or like a YA series. Oh, it's a YA thing.

Cynthia Arevo's in it. Yeah. Yeah. They had to do several different reshoots, and of course that was delayed from COVID. I think that movie was supposed to come out pre-COVID. That's one of those movies that was like on the Netflix docket forever. Like, it took them...

Principal photography happened in 2017. Yeah. Yeah. It was a real, real cursed thing. It was always... It was when I was making my little spreadsheets. That was one of those ones that would, like, carry over and carry over and carry over. And so then it was, like, then it was all the questions about, like, is he going to stop doing Spider-Man?

And it's just like, well, if he's going to stop doing Spider-Man, he should probably, like, start doing other movies. You know what I mean? It's just sort of like... And then between... he hasn't made a feature film since uncharted in 2020. Which was his attempt to do something else. But it was very bad. Very, very bad.

I don't think so. I don't know. I thought it was like weirdly successful. It was globally 400 million, which is like... Wow. Yeah. Yeah. What did it do domestic?

148 domestic in 2022. In February 2020, which is still long. COVID asterisky time. Totally, totally. So, but like, everybody thought it was garbage. But, like, so, like, nothing since then. Well, no movies since then. He made that the crowded room, which was, but even that was 2023.

Like, it's just. No, he's been very absent. Very absent. Quite a while. Taking a back seat to Zendaya. That's, like, the low keenness of their couple hood is very charming to me. I find it charming.

I want them to be normal, but I do think that we have these, like, transcendently huge movie stars who can do just about anything and we don't get access to any of it, or they haven't worked together other than the Spider-Man movies. Like, make a music go together Tom and Zadilla. Like, why are you not giving us this? That is true. But I also feel like, I don't know. I mean, maybe this is just sort of a false framework.

but like I trust it more. I trust, you know what I mean? That they're not trying to perform any of it for us. Yes. Yeah. Is it Dan not in the Odyssey? No, she's on the Odyssey, too. You're right.

But like, will they share a scene together? They might not even. Probably not. unclear. Christopher Nolan would be the kind to be like, you want this, you pigs, don't you? I'm going to give it to you. I'm just going to run down the cast of the Odyssey just so that everybody knows. All right.

So we know Matt Damon is playing a. Odysseus. We know Charlize Theron is playing Searcy, and we know that Tom Holland is playing Odysseus' son. Everything else is up for grabs, right? What does Odysseus's son famously do in the Odyssey? Is he on the boat with Odysseus? No, he's at home with his mom, I think, waiting for him to come home. And we think Anne Hathaway's probably Penelope? I mean, that makes the most sense. So the other women besides Charlize, Anne Hathaway, Zendaya, Lupita Njongo, Samantha Morton, Mia Goth. That's it.

Those are options. For a Nolan movie, that's a lot. Oh, completely. Like, yes, absolutely. Multiple Oscar-winning actresses. That's, like, big deal for this guy. And the glimpses that we've seen in the trailer, we've seen John Bernthal. He's on a boat with Odysseus.

John Berthel playing a warrior, bro. He's played a warrior, bro. He's played a warrior, bro. I thought his sonthal was talking to Tom Holland in that trailer. I thought it was Leguizamo's voice, but it might be John Bernthal's voice, so possibly. Someone has done a frame-by-frame breakdown in this trailer and have to this probably. So Pattinson also in this, Benny Softie, Elliot Page, Hamesh Patel, Bill Irwin. Oh, Tars is back.

Every time Nolan works with someone from one of his previous movies, it just like warms my heart. So the way that it really shouldn't, but I love it a lot. Jesse Garcia, William Lee, Rafi Gavran, Shiloh Fernandez. What did Shiloh Fernandez show up in recently, where I was like, I kind of missed him. What the hell was it? Was it a TV show? Have you been watching Mobland? No, I really haven't been.

He was on Euphoria? Don't watch that either. I honestly don't know. But anyway, I enjoy his face. Anyway, it's going to be the biggest movie of all time. It's going to be the biggest movie of all time. They're building an IMAX screen for Joe to see it in Buffalo, Cinemark. We love it.

Joe, I may have to skip my usual plans and come up to Buffalo so that we can do it. Do it. Do it. Yep. Love it. Isn't that funny that Logan Marshall Green is in The Odyssey, but not Tom Hardy? Like, no one's worked at Tom Hardy a lot. I love that, like, yeah, Tom Hardy's like, can't do it.

And he's like, all right, bring the next one in. I got a clone. I do love that. Yep. Yeah. That was great. what we were doing before we got to the office? We were talking about who was good and who was bad.

Who I also feel bad for is Riley Keough. Yeah. Because she's been in multiple movies now where she is, you know, I don't think she doesn't not have things to do in this movie. I don't think that she's bad in this movie. I, like, don't maybe ever think she's been bad. I think she's, like, one of the quietly, like, great actors of her generation. but like there's multiple movies where she's just this like kind of witness or participant in like sexual violence in a way that's not fun yeah i'm thinking of the house that jack built i mean when is that ever fun that's not what i mean but like in a way that it's like in a way that it's like and i understand why i'm that's in a matrix is because you guys do this podcast and you bring up these movies all the time that like you can just like that doesn't i have no idea what you just what is the house that jagg built that's a large fun time i'm just

The larger serial killer movie. Where Matt Dillon plays the serial killer, yeah. This is why you guys are good at Cinematrix. I think Riley Keog is really good in Jay Kelly. The Jay Kelly Defender is here logging on. I see it next week. She has that big last scene. Joe, you've seen it.

That's not the part of Jay Kelly that I like. Is anything to do with the daughters? I think it's, and that's like, to be fair, a lot of that movie's plot is to do with him and his daughters. It's true. It's not my fave. I like, I do like Riley Keo in like freco mode. You know what I mean?

Like Zola. But like Zola, like American Honey, like, oh, what the hell else. She's not really Freakomode in American Honey. She's of the characters in that movie. She's kind of the frecoist. She is the stand-in for corporate America. Well, but in like a real, she's in a freako way. Did you watch Daisy Jones in The Six?

I did not. I did not either. I read the book, but I don't know that that's going to be Freiko mode. Yeah. I also still haven't seen Trey Edward Schultz's Hurry Up Tomorrow, which she, oh, she's only girl. She's girl on voicemail, so I guess she probably doesn't have a whole lot to do. Honestly, I'd consider her mother in that. How bad is it getting that you're not only wife on phone, your mom on phone?

You know what she's really good in? Honestly, speaking of Jaden Martel, Nay Libreher. That movie, The Lodge. Did either one of you see The Lodge? I did not like The Lodge. I did. I really quite enjoyed The Lodge. It is a horror movie about these two shitty little kids who decide to terrorize their stepmother.

and bad things happen. Oh, okay. Yeah, I enjoyed her in that. I really liked her in, I mean, Hold the Dark, which is like the least good Jeremy Solnier movie and is still probably like you should just see it just to like watch what goes down. There's at least one shootout scene in that movie

that must be seen to be believed. Like, it's kind of amazing. I mean, she has really interesting tastes. Like, her Wikipedia page is some fascinating swings. Sure. And then also, you know, Jay Kelly or the show under the bridge that she did. She's pretty good. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you go way back.

Fury Road, Logan Lucky. Like, she's like, she's, you know. Logan Lucky, right there, yep. Yeah, yeah. Logan Lucky's maybe my favorite. I'd like to see her in a Benoit Blanc. Oh, my. Fuck, yeah.

That'd be good. I mean, if you took this entire cast and put them in a Belmont movie, like, you could really just get Daniel Craig in there and not get rid of anybody else. Like, you could make, it's like you could put Benoit Blanc in this movie. Yeah. It's just like, you, Bill Scarscar, you go over there. I'm going to separate everybody and you're going to work this out. No one has to die.

Upcoming for her, she's in a movie called Rosebush pruning with. Yes, I'm excited for this. I'm not familiar with this director, Karim Ainuz, who is Brazilian. Yes. Carriam Inus did Invisible Life, the movie that I I'm always stumping for it. That's just chill in there on Amazon Prime. I love that movie.

Invisible Life of Eurydice, Gousmao? Based off that novel, but in America, they just released. Oh, it's called The Invisible Life. But it's written by Femis Filippu, who is the screenwriter of the Jorgos Lantamos movies that don't do as well. Kinds of Kinds of Kindness. Kinds of Kindness, Killing of a Sacred Deer likes, and no one else like. Kinds of Kindness, Killing of a Sacred Deer.

But it's Riley Keough, Callum Turner, L. Fanning, Jamie Bell, Tracy Lats, Pamela Anderson as the mother. Yay! Like, I'm... It's had some cast turnover, too. I think the first announced cast for that movie was Kristen Stewart in her, in Riley Keow's role. Josh O'Connor. Yeah. Well, replacing Josh O'Connor with Callum Turner, I'm just saying, I'm just saying they look exactly the same.

Josh and Connor really gods the devil all the time bullet by just. a year or two. Like, he would have been in this. Like, there's so many. Garrett Hedlin just missed it on the early side. Josh or Connor missed on the late side. They all would have gotten caught up in this if they've been around the right time. She's also in a upcoming movie called Butterfly Jam, starring her, Barry Keogan, Harry Melling, and Monica

Balucci, which is about a circus troupe in New Jersey. Are you allowed to put Harry Melling and Barry Keoggan in the same movie? It does feel like it's dancing. It's not about the editing room when they're, you know, putting together the opening sequence of something's got to give and, you know, they say, hey, why don't we put on that butterfly jam? And it's from the director of that movie Beanhole that I never saw, but I read over your wonderful joke, Chris. I just wanted to give you some credits. Sorry. I have to be immune to some of Chris's lunacy or else I'll just never.

Because he'll run screaming into the night. Also, just the idea of movies. called Rosebush Pruning and Butterfly, there's no way both of those titles are coming out that way, right? That movie could also just, like, go away because it's the same director of that other Cannes movie that only I

liked about Henry VIII called Firebrand. Yep. The Jude Law Alicia Vakander. Jude Law is Henry the 8th with a smelly leg. Yeah. Good Lord. Good movie. It's fun. It's fun. Butterfly Jam and Rosebush Pruning reminds me of

the Tulip Fever. Focus group screening that I went to, where on the cards that they handed out after, there were two separate questions of, do you think this is a good title? Would you see this movie? Would you see this movie if it had a better title? Like, that kind of thing. So, like, maybe they'll change this. Yeah, maybe they'll change them. I've moved on to the Wikipedia page for Sebastian Stan, because I'm still kind of curious about the steps that led him to this. Let's talk about him in this movie. I don't think it's his fault that he's so bad in it. This idea was it for him to, like, chifmunk stuff his cheeks like that.

He's got, like, a... He's got, like, a... He's got, like, a... It's like he's got the Don Corleone apparatus in his cheeks. Yeah, it's real... And he's got his terrible haircut. Like, it's, like, the, like, Buzzcut 50s cop thing that does him no favors whatsoever. Yeah.

But he had been in... Oh, and hang on, hang on, I really thought I saw Jainly... here's the name on this Wikipedia page, and everyone's going for it. Amazing. He's like haunting the episode. Endings, beginnings, the Drake DeRamus movie that... No, terrible. Yeah, I don't know.

The more I look down, it looks bad. I mean, he's in full Marvel mode at this point, as was Tom Holland. Yeah. And, like, it... I guess he's in Destroyer, which I never saw. And he's in... I, Tanya, and Logan Lucky, I think we gave him some credit for that, but he really was like...

It seemed like he was trying to... trying to get taken seriously slightly more successfully than Tom Holland was at this point. Yeah, and I think ultimately he's done better, right? Like, certainly where he's at now. For sure. He's gotten his Oscar nomination. Everybody really loved a different man. He's even managed to, I think, with Thunderbolts, sort of paper over the failure that was the Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

You know what I mean? So, like, even that, I think ultimately people are happy that he's going to be in Avengers Doomsday, whereas, like, that's not really, you didn't feel like that was going to be the case, you know, while that show was going on. So, um, absolutely put money down right now that he will be in next year's Oscar race for the Christian Manchu movie that he made, which is apparently not in English. Is it called Fjord? I'm guessing it takes place on a Fjord. Yeah. The Wikipedia page started figuring out what the world's Fjord could be.

Shooting in Norway. I'm learning from Wikipedia that the year that Devil of the Tideon came out in 2020, he was also in some kind of indie rom-com with Denise Gough of Andor, who plays Dead Ramiro on Andor, and I think I have to watch this. She would have just been coming off of being in Angels in America on Broadway. Yeah. I might need to watch this movie in her. workback. It's called Monday.

By somebody with a very Greek... Oh, yeah. I'm not even going to try to pronounce that. I got nothing. Yeah. IFC films. Sure. So if he's not the worst performance in the movie, who do you think is the worst performance in the movie? Well... I might throw up Pattinson. Yeah, Pattinson's not good.

I think it's Sebastian Stan, unfortunately. I love both of those actors. I know. I think Sebastian... Stan's character feels more outside of, like, out of place in the movie. So I almost feel like Pattinson's character should work. His character should work. And I think Pattinson, through, again, deciding to just sort of like, what the fuck it,

makes this choice that ultimately falls flat on its face. Yeah, he lets Harry Mellon eat his lunch. didn't have to. Yeah, that's why I want to give Sebastian Sam like an asterisk to be like, you didn't really have a choice to be good in this movie. They're both a little miscast, too. Yeah. So it's like, again, it's not their fault. You're never going to run out of that. I do also think that like Eliza Scanlon just does give me nothing in this movie. No. And like, she's on the same boat as Holland, but I think Holland gives me at least a little something, where I'd be like, I wish we could have had better for him in this movie.

Whereas like, and maybe this is like, I'm always kind of this way with Eliza Scanlon a little bit. Like, what is she up to? Because we had a real Eliza Scanlan moment for a period in time where she unfortunately was doing a lot of the same roles. Uh, 2025, she was in something called Dope Girls with Julian N. Nicholson, which was a British thing? Yeah, it was a British thing. That we never.

I don't think it's, I don't think we've gotten it in America at all. But yeah, her Julianne Nicholson, Geraldine James. You know what I will say for her? Her face is a very good combination of Miavasa Costa and Harry Melling. Like, the likelihood be they're going to look at all. Yeah. She's eyes and they're kind of close together. Like, it all adds up.

And like she, I think her performance is like Miavasa. Hoska's in a really interesting way. Like, that might be the only pairing of parents where you feel the generational impact there, even though, you know, her mom died when she was a baby as a character. So she gives me that. I don't know that it's her performance giving me that, but there's something to it. Yeah. Well, while we're talking about the cast of this movie, why don't we dispense with all the,

all the whatever, and get to the annual Katie's here, so I made a bonkers. game for this is what everybody is listening for so um the history of this if you're if you're uh somewhat new um when katy was here and did lost city it started with lost city of zetter did start with it started with pan started with pan so garret headland was in pan right and so we began uh the quiz that i gave katy and and chris at that point was essentially battle of the hymbo's but it started as Garrett Headland or Charlie Hunnam. Both of those actors were a lot more sort of interchangeable, hunky guys with H-names back then.

Remember the time pre-pandemic when the headland? Right. Where is he? If I Wikipedia him right now, well, himself, because I'm kind of curious what he's been up to. I think you're clear. You're in the clear. Garrett Headland doesn't show up.

So as we went along, any kind of... Any kind of quiz that I could find to conflate similar, young, handsome actors to beguile Chris and Katie. And we did Josh O'Connor or Jack O'Connell, a quiz that is very pertinent to this year. Both having excellent years. Both having very, very good years. We did Ben Wishaw or... Dominoleason? Oh, maybe that, that sounds right.

Something like that. That would have been for about time. Yeah. And then one of the years, it was Australian or not Australian. And I ended up quizzing you all on the voices of the Owls of Gahoole. You sure should. Last year, Gahul? Last year would have been a Harry Stiles themed one.

Maybe it was two years ago was Gahul. Yeah. Yeah, that would have been the Everest one because there's a lot of Australians. I genuinely don't remember what I did for Harry Stiles last year, which means I guess it wasn't memorable enough. So hopefully I can turn that around. So this year, I'm giving you a quiz that I call The Droll some of the time. So a lot of the folks in this movie are non-American actors who are really churning their way through a Southern accent in this movie. And this is a thing that happens.

You know, I think sometimes when people try and sort of talk about it very seriously, they talk about how you have all of these RADA-trained English actors who then come to America and take all our jobs because our actors don't know how to technically accent hop as well as the British people do. But anyway, English actors, you know, play in American folks. kind of often. So with this quiz, I have various roles of the cast members of the devil all the time. And what you need to do is, you need to, so I'll give you the description of a role, and I will tell you what movie.

So I'll give you the description of the role in the movie. You have to tell me what actor played the role. And then you have to tell me if they were in an American accent or an English accent. Is this actors who are in this movie, in debt all the time? No. Yes. Oh, okay. Okay. So we have a limited pool.

So, Katie, as our guest, you get the option of getting the first question or the second question. I will say it probably doesn't matter. I'll go first. Why not? All right. And I will try and keep score as best I can. Two points are available for each question, one for the actor, one for the accent. So if you are ready, we'll begin the draw some of the time.

Katie, you said you want to go first? Yeah, let's do it. Okay. As a colleague and business partner of Thomas Edison in the current war. Is it Tom Holland? It is Tom Holland. Okay. Yes.

I'm going to say he's American in that one. No, he's an English actor. It's an English actor. This is how it gets us. Chris, as a special ops handler named Neil in Tenet. Robert Pattinson. Yes. He is British in Tenet.

He is English in Tenet. Yes, very good. Katie, as an Airbnb tenant named Keith in Barbarian. Oh, boy. I never saw Barbarian. Oh. Do we have Steel? Oh, boy, this sounds like...

You can do steals. Who would have... It's a Bill Scars card? It is Bill Scars Guard. Very good. I had to do the process of elimination. Let's say he's American in that. He is American.

Very good. Pulling it out, Katie. Chris, as the leader of a group of terrorists attacking the White House and White House Down. Oh, ooh. I don't know if I know this. This is it Jason Clark? It is Jason Clark. He is Russian?

He's American. Is Russian an option? Are you supposed to be English or British? Well, Joe can deploy a trick at any time. That's a good point. I'm not saying anything. Yeah, he's American. He is not Russian.

He is American. All right. Katie, so you're tied to three. Three to three. Katie. As Hannah, the romantic interest for Jesse Eisenberg in the double. Ooh, it sounds like a real Miavastikaska kind of thing to do. It is Miavaska, very good.

Let's say she's American. She is American. Two points for Katie. I was waiting for her to be Croatian or nonsense. Chris, as a limbless orator touring the carnival circuit in the Ballad of Buster Scruggs. That's Harry Melling. It is. Does he speak?

He does. He leads Osamendius. Oh, yeah. He's American. He is British, in fact. Damn it. Damn it. Shakespeare.

Yes. Katie, as a sinister cousin with ill intent in We have always lived in the castle. I do not know what that is. A sinister cousin with ill intent. Who have, is it Sebastian Stan? It is Sebastian Stan. Very good. Yeah, process of elimination.

Let's say he's British. He is American, in fact. All right, Katie with six, Chris with four. Chris, as an injured bandit named Ray in a post-apocalyptic wasteland in the rover. Oh, Robert Pattinson. Robert Pattinson. He's, well, that's Michaud, who's an Australian director. I'm going to say he's Australian.

He is, in fact, American. He is speaking American. I'm over thinking of that. All right, back to Katie. As a member of the High Table Crime Syndicate in John Wick, Chapter 4. Oh, boy, I've not seen, I have not seen those movies. Haley Bennett? Not Haley Bennett, in fact.

Chris, would you like to try to steal? I'll steal with Drew Starkey. It is not Drew Starkey. He is, in fact, Bill Scarsgard. Where he is speaking. No. Friends, I thought he was so astonished by your case. Am I back?

Am I back? Yeah, you're back. Okay. That was Bill Scarsgard. And he's speaking French accentic. French accent. There it is. Yes.

So that was, who got that one? Katie got that one. So this is Chris's question. As a young woman on a cross-desert journey in tracks. Miavasikovska. That's Miavasikovska. And she's Australian. And that is where Australian comes in.

There you go. All right. So it is Katie with six, Chris with seven. Katie, as a famed author in the pale blue eye. That's like an Edgar Allan Poe thing. Is that Sebastian Stan? It is not Sebastian Stan. Oh, damn it.

Chris, can you steal? Is it Harry Melling? It is Harry Melling. And he's British. He's American. He's at Gre Allen Poe. Oh, he is. Oh, right.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. So this is to Chris. As a young girl who rapidly ages and becomes distressingly pregnant in old. Eliza Scanlan. Eliza Scanlan. She's American.

She is American. All right. So Katie, with still six. Chris, now with 10. Oh, boy. All right, Katie. Comeback starts now. As a young tsunami survivor, whose character is based on a Spanish child in The Impossible.

That would be Tom Holland. That is Tom Holland. I think they're British in that. Yes, indeed. They are British in that. They're famously not Spanish. Famously not Spanish. Yes.

All right. Even though most of their names are the same, like his name is Lucas in that, and the kid's name was actually Lucas. It was just Spanish. Excuse me. Chris. As a field contact for MI6. agent Charlize Theron in Atomic Blonde.

Bill Scarsgaard. Yes. He is Russian. He's German. You are very close. Yeah. All right. Back to Katie.

As an astronaut on a sex journey and high life. That's Robert Pattinson. Yes. Let's say he's American. Yes, he's American. All right. Katie with 10, Chris with 11. Coming back.

Chris, as a mountain-climbing expedition leader in Everest. Jason Clark. Jason Clark. He, ooh, who's his wife? Wife on phone? So many wives on phone in the movie. I'm going to say he is English. He's Kiwi.

He is from New Zealand. I was going to say Australian. I would have been so offensive. All right. Katie, as the famed T.E. Lawrence in Queen of the Desert. That's Pattinson. That is Patinson. Well, and he has to be British.

Well, you said British, so I do have to give it to you. Where is Lawrence? He's Welsh, yeah. But you said British. You did not say English. If you had said English, I would not have given it to you. Wow, lucky me. All right.

Chris, as an evil pharmaceutical executive in the Old Guard. Oh. Who? Pharmaceutical executive in that movie, maybe I only like half-paid. I don't know. I don't remember anything from that movie that involves a, um, Jason Clark. No, Katie, do you want to steal? I love the old guard. It is Harry Mellon. It is Harry Mellon. Really? And I think he's British in that. Yes, he is, in fact. All right. Yeah, he's really good in the old guard. He's good to everything. All right. So now Katie has 14 and Chris has 12. Okay. Katie, as the main antagonist in Now You See Me Too.

I love those stupid movies, too. The main, it must not be Daniel Radcliffe, you must be in, is it Harry Melling again? It's not Harry Melling. Chris, you want to steal. Is it also Bill Scarsgard? It is not Bill Scarsgarde. It's Daniel Radcliffe, because now I've opened it up to,

Oh! Now we're wide open. You see how he just knew the Daniel Rackleaf was in that franchise and you just have no credit for it whatsoever. Wide open. All right, Chris, as a vampire who was killed by a lichen but brought back to life by Kate Beckinsale's blood in underworld awakening. Michael Sheen? No, not Michael Sheen. Katie, can you steal?

Oh, God, now that the whole, the gates have been blown open, is it Alexander Scar's Guard? It is not Alexander Scarcer. It is Theo James. This was like the third or fourth Underworld movie at this point. Not a chance. Theo James, who was speaking in English accent. Okay. This is Katie. As Galley, Dylan O'Brien's main antagonist in the maze runner. It really asking me to remember who Dylan O'Brien is. That's not even the question here. Breton Thwaites. It's not Breton Thwaites. That's an incredible guest, though. Chris, can you steal?

Is it Will Poulter? It is Will Poulter. And he's American. And he's American, and we are tied at 14. Nice. All right. Chris, this is to you. As a disaffected youth named Rat in a crumbling inner city in Lost River. Oh.

Is this Sersha Ronan? It is Sersher Ronan. And she's American. And she's American. They're in Detroit. Yes, yes. This is Katie. As a young village woman who marries Jamie Bell in defiance.

I remember this movie. I remember there being... My brain wants to say it's me of Vasikovska. It is me of Asikovska. Very good. Yes, yes. What's her accent? Polish?

Polish. Yes, you got it. We are tied at 16. This is thrilling. I am thrilled. Chris, as the elegant fellowship member Legolas in the Lord of the Rings movies. As Orlando Bloom. Orlando Bloom.

He's from Middle Earth. How dare you assign an accent to the midst of the Middle Earth? But he's doing an English accent. Sorry, it's Elvish, in fact. I'm going to smash my computer. Elvish is what we were looking for.

Katie's turn. I cannot believe this. So much on the line. This is bull shit. For Katie, as a super fast quicksilver in Avengers Age of Ultron. That one is Aaron Taylor Johnson. It is Aaron Taylor Johnson. Secovian?

Secovian is correct for Katie. Katie, Chris. Sorry, Chris, that wasn't really standing on your shoulders. That is, like, punching me in the face. In public. Chris's question, as Soren, as Soren, a barn owl and the main protagonist of Legend of the Guardians, the Owls of Kahul. Oh, we've lost Chris. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Who's the main? Tom Sturridge. Oh, my God, it's Jim Sturgis. You had it. Oh, my God. You had it so close. Oh, sorry, I didn't give Katie a chance to steal. I was going to say Connie Spitvickman.

Okay, okay, okay, okay. He speaks Gahulian. He speaks Australian, actually. Oh, my God. I've got to go. Katie, as Anne Boleyn in the other Boleyn girl. Oh, Jesus Christ, which one was which? That's Natalie Portman?

Natalie Portman, yes. I'm just English. Hang on, my lights turned off. Oh, God, the lights did go out, Katie. And that's the night the lights went out. in, yes, English. Okay, I was really had Mary Queen of Scots in my brain somewhere. Okay.

Chris, as Mathilda, Matilda, the young girl who befriends the hit man in Leon the Professional. Natalie Portman. Yes. She's American. She is American, in fact. I don't, I feel uncomfortable where this is headed. Katie with 20, Chris with 19. Katie.

As Padma Amadala in the Star Wars prequel. Natalie Portman again It is Natalie Portman Nibuian Naboo yes She speaks in a Naboo accent You're reporting me For watching the prequels right now

I did write this quiz before I knew that you were watching the prequels So Luck of the Draw Chris As Captain Jean-Luc Picard In the second wave Star Trek movies In the second wave As in the JJ Abrams

No, the second wave is the ones from the Star Trek, the next generation. It's Patrick Stewart. It is Patrick Stewart. He speaks with an English accent. He speaks with an English accent because they're from Earth in that movie. And that is the last question, tallying up the scores. Wow. Katie has 22 and Chris has 21.

Katie, by a Nebu, you have vested Chris. A booie in our game, which is the drawl some of the time. Gary, if that's the incorrect usage of Nabooian and it's Nabuzian or something, please yell at both Joe and Katie. I googled

Nabooian and got to Wikipedia. Nobuleans is another option. Wow, okay. All right. Joe, you've done it again. You crazy bastard. You came on here saying that, like, Oh, this one's not any good.

I had to really pull some, like, last-minute magic out of the hat to really whip us into shape. That's what you do. You pull out the magic. All right. A round of applause for Joe Reed. What a... That was... And we all just give a hearty thumbs down.

And that's Google level. Chris, can we talk about the Netflix of it all in COVID lockdown, though? Because I do feel like it's one of those things where people do forget that, like, COVID lockdown happens the movie theaters close all of the major studios like shut down their release calendars most of them don't want to just sort of like

dump all their stuff onto streaming although eventually Warner Brothers does and on top of this too the eligibility window expands to give the studios more time to release these movies

so like on top of Netflix already having so much product to push like they just get even more. They're just the only game in town and it's and it's the only game in town for like anything that feels, it's so funny because we talk a lot about like a lot of Netflix movies

sort of feeling fake, but like they were the only ones that were putting out like what felt like real movies. I remember when the old guard, speaking of the old guard, when that movie came out, people were so excited because it's like it's a real movie. The old guard, which I can recognize.

that is certainly, like, the COVID inflation. It's drought mentality. Yeah, it definitely is. But I remember everybody was so excited because it's just like, oh, it's a real movie. We can like, with, you know, with action scenes and a bit of a budget and movie stars, like it's, it was, and I think a lot of Netflix that year sort of felt like that, even when you get into stuff like trial the Chicago 7 and obviously, I mean, Lord knows, my beloved Mank. And, I mean, people were excited for the prom. Like, it's...

Oh, yeah. And I think it's something like Ma Rainey's Black Bottom, which... There's such an obviously complicated Oscar narrative to be told there with Chadwick Bozeman and all that sort of stuff. But, like, I do feel like that movie got a lot more attention. for being, you know, for having just a lot more spotlight on Netflix stuff at that time, which was good. I think you compare that to how the piano lesson gets received a couple years later. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which does then make it more frustrating when something like Spike Lee's Defive Bloods doesn't get the attention that it deserves.

And you're just like, well, but why? It had all the ingredients. It was so good, and also what else is there? And yet we're like, you know, scraping around to find, you know, I think ultimately, like, that year's best actor lineup was quite good. But, like, you can't tell me that Delroy Lindo didn't deserve to be part of that. I mean, quite possibly win. I think, and, like, also, you know, you just look at Netflix and how much Netflix had to push. And then when you look at what the actual nomination lineups end up, end up. up being it's this very narrow

number of movies and I think like we're three people who really complain about how the below the line categories and even the acting categories is so defaulted to like what's it what's nominated for best picture and what's in the best picture race and like I

I really think that some of that really kind of metastasizes in 2020 when it's just like well those are the movies that get you know nominated across the board. So there's not really room for something like defy bloods, though.

Defy Blood should be, you look at 2019. It did. But you look at 2019 and you see what was nominated, even in just like the acting categories, where like Tom Hanks in a beautiful day in the neighborhood, both of the leads in the two popes, Cynthia Revo and Harriet Obviously Renee Zellweger wins for Judy

Say what you will about bombshell But like bombshell Kathy Bates for Richard Jewell And then Antonio Banderas for pain and glory Like all of those are actors nominated For non-Best Picture nominees When you get into writing

You get Knives Out And you know, once again The Two Popes Although that's a little bit more heavily Best Picture coded. But let me see if we get into anything more interesting in the craft categories. The craft categories are hewin pretty close to... The lighthouse in cinematography is that year? Yes, at Astra in sound mixing. But even that year,

the crafts were getting very, very best-pictory. I guess you got Maleficent Mistress of Evil in makeup and hairstyling. But yeah, at least in the acting categories, there was a little bit more spread. And one ceremony later, what is spread outside of best picture? Hillbilliology. Hillbillology and Borat. Yeah.

Oh, God. Both the one-two punch of things I never want to experience again. Yeah. Well, but you also, like, best actress that year was wild as hell because you had Andrade Day for United States versus Billy Holiday. You almost said the United States of Billy Holiday, which, sure.

Pieces of a woman. Pieces of a woman. Yeah. Pieces of a woman being the Netflix movie that does better than Defy Bloods is where you really think, like, what happened here? Although, did it only get just that one nomination? Did it show up anywhere else?

No, it just got that one nomination. It just got that one. People thought that maybe Ellen Burstyn might get nominated for quite a bad performance. I don't want with her having me very well at all. She's very... But now you look at it five years later, five ceremonies later, and now would something like pieces of a woman have as strong of a chance as it had in 2020

and not just for 2020 reasons now? Right. Like that's a very... Well, I think you try and sort of parse what are the... This got nominated because it was 2020 and this got nominated would have gotten nominated anyway. And that's a dangerous game to play because you risk sort of like... like, you know, devaluing something that was good. And, like, honestly, obviously certain things got nominated that probably wouldn't have in a way that I'm happy about.

Like, I'm glad that Sound of Metal got all those nominations in a way that I don't think would have happened if it were a non-COVID year. And I'm glad that one night in Miami got some attention in a way that I don't think it would have in a non-COVID year. But I think in the conversation of KAN. movies get nominated when they're not in the best picture conversation. Yeah. I think more the analogy for something like pieces of a woman is maybe, even though it's a much, much, much, much, much better movie.

Like, if I had legs, I kick you this year, one of the reasons why I think a lot of people are skeptical about that Rose Byrne nomination happening is because that's the only thing that they're really going to be pushing that movie for. Have I got a fix? Have I got a fix for you? Let's just nominate it in Best Picture because it deserves to work. The, if I had legs, campaign manager has logged on. Hell yeah, hell yeah. I'm not that in love with the movie, but, like, I do think Rose Burns should be in that conversation and not be at a hindrance because her movie's not in the best picture conversation. Yeah, right, right.

But that's exactly what we would be saying about, like, Vanessa Kirby, if that movie was coming out this year. You know what's crazy is that in the best sound category where Sound of Metal wins that really wonderful Oscar that. like you were saying, Joe wouldn't have. Two Tom Hanks' COVID movies, News of the World and Greyhound are both nominated in there. I told you either of them got Oscar nominations. So there's some exceptions for you. That was, Greyhound was that thing where it was just like, congratulations, dads. You can watch something in lockdown, too.

Like, that was. News of the World should have gotten a better streaming release because that movie was good and should have been watched by more, like, dads at home and love. I remember so little of that movie. But, yeah, I will take your word for it. This was an eight-nominy best picture field. Is there any kind of consensus what finished ninth and tenth in the voting, do we think? I would guess news of the world would be one of them. You think so? Yeah.

Yeah. And Helena Zengel was just outside of the supporting actress. Yeah, Langell was definitely there. I guess United States of Billy Holiday was probably there. that was like such a late-breaking thing that year? I worry that Borat was higher than we think because it did get a screenplay nomination. Oh, Ma Rani isn't in the best picture.

Oh, right. Ma Rani, I do feel like, was definitely probably 9th. Absolutely. Yeah. And like one night in Miami was definitely like hanging around that area. I definitely feel like another round got a director nomination and no best picture. So like that's a possibility. Um, what else? I know.

I'm like going through just the crafts, there's not that many movies, you know? I mean, it is funny to see Tenet show up, which is like, of all of these movies is the most fondly remembered me. I mean, like, I love No Madland a lot. And I think that, you know, we're going to be more sensible about it as time goes on. But it's just so funny how Tenet was there, was eligible, and everyone just, like, shunted it aside. I feel similarly about a movie like Soul, and I know not everybody was on board with that movie, but it's surprising to me. First, in general, I am somewhat, it's notable to me how when the Best Picture category was expanded to 10, initially one of the impetus is for that, not only the Dark Knight, but also Wally. And then immediately, Up gets nominated in 2009, Toy Story 3 gets nominated in 2010.

And then we haven't had an animated nominee since. And then Brave rips it and it never comes back. Even with like movies that are genuinely either really like well-beloved like Inside Out or huge blockbuster hits like Frozen. You know what I mean? And to the point where now it feels like we're back where we were pre-Wally where it's sort of like preposterous, the idea that like an animated movie would be able to get into, you know, even with like an attour like Miyazaki. We're not having great animated movies right now.

Like, I do think there's a little... Like, the boy in the Heron could have made a good run for it if anyone had thought it was possible. What's that? I agree. Yeah, yeah, like you really let you latch on to the Miyazaki autore of it all. Like, it makes sense that Cape Octavian hunters or Zootopia 2 are not really realistic things to try to put in there.

But there are definitely years with, you know, bigger movies. that would make that possible. I mean, I wonder if, like, the Academy would respect K-pop Demon Hunters that much to put it in Best Picture, but it is enough of a cultural moment that I think we would be silly to, like, rule it out entirely. I mean, if you want to go place a long shot bet on the betting market, it's like, I wouldn't object to that. It is right now cruising to victory in the two categories that animated films fair best in, which is animated feature and song. What I will say about the song category, though, like they'd Maybe looking to recognize Wicked somewhere, and this is the Wicked that has original...

I will not... I will not capture this. I'm going to win supporting actress. I am more and more being certain as... Yeah. Before you've seen the movie. I'm not saying it's not possible, Chris, but it would be one of the stupidest Oscar things ever of my lifetime for them not to give it to cold in.

In the best original song category, the Academy doing something stupid? I know. I'm just like, you guys, it's all laid out for you there on a platter to just, like, have a shallow or oh shit what's the last time there was a movie I'm thinking of

Natu Natu but that's not even the best or I'm just Ken which didn't win but you know like you got take your moment

there is what I'm saying take your moment certainly something to live up to Elmall I'm trying to find your bet and market odds for Demon Hunters in Best Picture

so it's not even showing up so you've really might have some, uh, make, have some, make some money, post that bet. Did that Billy Elish Barbie song chart at all? Yes. I think it did. Okay. So, because, I mean, and I mean, I don't know how charts work anymore, but like, um, it does feel like the last, like, hit, hit song to win best song was shallow. Yeah. In terms of, like, a genuinely, like, broadly popular song. Like,

this is not just the Billy Eilish hater, like, clocking in. Like, I don't think I, either one of those songs could be classified as, like, a hit, even if they did chart. Cultural moment is, I think, what we're... I suppose. Yeah. Something that like... Billie Alice having two Oscars is silly. It's okay to say that. It is. Thank you. Thank you for agreeing with me.

I love Soul, and I love that score win, and the fact that John Batiste and Reznor and Ross run it together, and because Resner and Adikas already had Oscars, they didn't say a word. and they just stood aside. John Betis was like his bodyguards while he gave all the speech for them. It was great. And then John Batiste had a very mediocre documentary made about him. He did. It's true.

It was justifiably not nominated. Life finds a way. Exactly. So, 2020. Well, hang on. I was looking at the Netflix lineup. I had totally forgotten the boys in the band ever happened. which is weird because that was the thing that we were all at home to watch and it feels like people would have paid attention to it and then it just didn't I never watched it because my assumption was it was a pro shot of the Broadway production which it wasn't no no no it's a proper movie yeah I mean scenes set in Julius and whatnot I did I wrote about the the TV movie thing for Vulture over the summer and

Boys in the Band was not something I even thought of, but, like, in retrospect, there were some movies trying to sort of, a 2020 was a big part of the, we no longer know what the difference is between a TV movie and a movie, and something like Boys in the Band, which given the circumstances of 2020, is entirely indistinguishable from, like, obviously you watch that and Mank and you know that one's, you know. yeah more cinema than the other but like in terms of like you can't really make a case for those movies being different from each other in any like you know in any way and yet like boys in the band just feels like a TV movie and mank feels like a movie movie and some of those Netflix movies that year had that TV movie feel Rebecca I feel like felt that way Oh, Jesus, that movie. Right? The cursed object, Rebecca.

Jingle Jangle felt that way, felt like a Christmas special. I like Jingle Jangle, though. I didn't mind Jingle Jangle, but like that felt like a Christmas special. That felt like Dolly Parton's Christmas in the Square, which I believe was the... It's better than Christmas in the Square. Is it? How about Midnight Sky? Any one from Midnight Sky?

Terrible movie. I believe I ranked that as my last of when I ranked all the Oscar nominees that year. Survivally so. It was my bottom one. What about Oscar nominee The White Tiger? What is that? Remember?

That was the Rami and Barani movie. The Rami and Barani movie. Got the screenplay nomination. I don't think I saw. Here's what I will say. What was the dig? The dig is the Carrie Mulligan Bill Nye movie

where they're digging in a field. I believe those are the cast members. And the life ahead the life ahead was what? That's the die. and Warren's song nomination, isn't it? Oh, USC. Got it. Got it. Yep.

Do you, I mean, do you guys remember Malcolm and Marie coming up? Oh, I do. Oh, here we go. Like, it comes out in late February, like so late in the season because they had moved everything back. And people are like, that's Zendaya Best Actress nomination. Watch out for it. Netflix paid out the ass to get it. Just like they paid $20 million to acquire pieces of a woman, which some of these things

with acquiring things during this period of COVID when nothing's getting produced and we know Netflix pays a lot to make their own things. You know, maybe they wouldn't pay that price tag for the things that they acquired throughout COVID when all things are considered. But like, Malcolmor Marie is bad, man. Yeah, it is. It's really bad.

You know what's an underrated good movie from here that like completely got lost in The Shuffle in a more typically Netflix way is Lost Girls, which was the Amy, the Amy Ryan. Yeah, Amy Ryan in a Liz Garbus movie, which was about the Gilgo Beach killings, was while they were still unsolved, I believe. And I've told you before that, like, that guy ended up living, like, a matter of blocks away from my friend's house in Long Island. But, like, I would get off of the Long Island Railroad to go, like, see my friend out there. And I would get, like, the stop that I would get off at the Long Island Railroad is, like, two blocks from where this guy lived. And it's creepy.

It's incredibly creepy. I mean, this movie, Kate, launched on Netflix on March 13, 2020, which is bad news. It kind of feels like the never, rarely, sometimes always in Netflix, where it's just like, not the time, not in the mood, no, thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was also a fan of the 40-year-old version. Yes, you were a big, big, big fan of that one. Funny movie. What was the song in that that I was like,

we got to get this a song nomination? Fuck, I can't remember it now. Was Hillbilly LG and Netflix? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Sure was. Sure was.

All the things, if the pandemic just hadn't happened and let Netflix be able to run away with that, What could be different? What were your lockdown, specifically lockdown, so from like March of 2020 until, let's just say March of 2021, what were your like lockdown oases of movies? Like movies and TV and like what were you like really into in a way that like only because of lockdown? I mean, soul is a big one for us. Yeah. It's all kid stuff for me, honestly.

Like, Sol and Enkanto are both just very deeply. Like, we live here now. I mean, I think, Chris, you're the one who are, like, in Conto's a movie, but people don't leave their house to this perfect moment for this movie. Yeah. It's hard. Like, I mean, most of that is just being, like, how in the world am I going to have time to watch any of the stuff that I have to do for work-wise?

Like, is there, like, a TV show? Like, I didn't watch Tiger King, but I'm wondering if there's, like, a show. I did end up watching Tiger King, and I did not even like like it all that much, but I felt like I wanted to be like part of the culture, part of the conversation. So I watched Tiger King. That was when I got into marble races on YouTube, though, also. So like a lot of, a lot of just odd, like occupying my time sort of stuff. I remember, I mean, we've talked about it before, the like the thing we're like, I watched Minari because I purchased it from like the Indiana Film Festival that it was, you know, playing at like that kind of a thing where you could find little, you know, places that some of these Oscar contenders.

It's like, this is available in these three states. And for this very, very limited amount of time. And I watched French exit via New York Film Festival portal. and I watched First Cow from the Film Society of Lincoln Center Portal, like those kinds of things. It really was, not to get too, like, you know, flowery about it, but it did feel like it was like people helping people a little bit. Like, the industry was trying to stay afloat,

but it was also like, you would like, like, I heard about that Minari thing because somebody else was like, it was me because that's how I watched it. Yeah, yeah. You were just like, like, yeah, go watch it. Yeah. We kept each other. I mean, the three of us, like, that was a huge part of our story, was the three of us sort of, like, keeping each other afloat and entertained and, you know, whatnot during, during COVID lockdown.

Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to think of the main thing that I watched in 2020, and it was, like, Scatterigories on Saturday night on Zoom? Yep. It was just, like, not, like, having small children was just not at all amenable to the, like, COVID experience being, like, this is what I'm going to get all the way through. How old were yours in 2020? if you don't mind saying. Sam had just turned one. Like, he turned one at the end of 2019. It's so crazy to think of how little he was. So Charlie turned four in 2020. Yeah, I mean, they were like, I mean, it was great. It was not having, not having like middle schoolers who would like miss their friends. Like they were so little that we were all just kind of like, that's, that's our lost

generation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Your kids got to miss that. Yeah. Like, so I can remember the movies really well. I need to like go, like, reach back in the brain and remember the TV shows that we were watching a ton of then. I remember Chris and I watched What's Up Doc simultaneously on wherever it was streaming and we're like

texting each other, do it. I remember Joey Sims and I watched that Dylan O'Brien movie that got nominated for the Visual Effects Oscar. Love and Monsters. Love and Monsters. Oh, yeah. You know that Netflix had that option where you could like watch something with some other person

like simultaneously or whatever like we watched that Netflix party Netflix party that's we watched Love and Monsters with a via Netflix party like it was those kinds of things where

I think you know finding little ways to have some sort of communal experience yeah I'm looking through like Rolling Stone's best TV shows you're like I never watched normal people I didn't really watch much of love trash country

like, there's like all these like COVID-y, like, you know, breakout shows. That was just like, I can't get there. Don't bother me. Well, to the point where, like, people forget that like the whole Schitts Creek sweeping the Emmys thing happened in large part because in early lockdown, people were really obsessed with this idea of like, I need something happy and nice. And people like mainstreamed, like people, people had been catching on to that show sort of more and more. It had gotten added to Netflix, I want to say, at some point, and it was one of those shows. Yeah. But like, because it was like when it won those Emmys, it was like a win for Netflix, but not really.

But not really, no, because it was pop. It was pop TV. Yeah, it was their official network. But, and obviously, like, initially, originally, like, Canadian. But I remember that being, like, a huge part of its narrative was early pandemic people just, and the survivor thing. That was the other thing is. That's when I got in a survivor. Everybody gay watched Survivor in Lockdown.

I got into it and I watched maybe two seasons in like three or four days. Had you watched the show before Lockdown? Had you watched that show before Lockdown? No. Okay. So you are exactly the poster child for that of like watched all of Survivor. And now I'm a Survivor die hard because of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't know. I just find that all kind of fascinating. I think we're far enough away from that that I can be kind of anthropological about that time in a way that, like, and also probably because I'm on Luxor Pro, that, like, I don't have to, like, get, like, PTSD flashbacks. Do you guys remember how much of a basket case I was during all of that? I thought I was dying all the time. I was, I was like, the world is over. I'm like, my life is over. I missed my chance.

And it was, I was bad. I was in a bad way. a while. We got you. We talked you through it. It's good. Yeah, man. Like, honest to God, it was...

You got us through it with weekly categories. Oh, my God. That is very, very true. Yeah. So, yeah, I guess that's the silver lining of a movie, like, devil all the time. Who's Netflix? We said the words Netflix party, and it's like it opened a chamber of my brain again.

Who are the, like, for lack of it better. term fucking freaks out there watching Netflix party of the devil all the time. In COVID, that seems like such a uniquely bad time. A bunch of like youths who are just like, oh my God, Tom Holland, Robert Patton

are in a movie together? A lot of people probably fell down that hole. And vibes just like fall apart slowly over the course of watching the movie. We should, to sort of back up a second, we should probably talk about the Antonio Campos of that.

I was going to really want it to bring up Antonio Campos. Sort of an underground, a little bit filmmaker where, like, he directs a movie like after school in 2008, which I've still never seen, but was in certain regard at Cannes, and I believe got some like indie awards or whatever, but the thing that... And I think it's the first time Ezra Miller was cast in something, and as I learned today, Jeremy Allen White. Wow.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, but Antonio Campos writes and directs, but like it's produced by Sean Durkin who would direct Martha Marcy and Arlene and the Nest, the Iron Claw. And then Josh... And Antonio Campos is producing

Sean Durkin's work at the same time. So they are this very like collaborative. With Josh Mond, who was the director of that movie James White with Christopher Abbott and Cynthia Nixon, which Antonio

Campos and Sean Durkin produced. And then Simon Killer was another one where Campos writes and directs, Josh Mond and Sean Durkin produce, and then Brady Corbe and Marty

Diop were in the story, get story by credits. And they're both they both star in it. So now it all of a sudden, the Brady Corbe of it all sort of gets. And I don't know. Did they all like, did they all go to school together? Or like what was... We should know this. I think like, I think they were Tish students, right? That feels likely. Let's see. And tenure campus is Wikipedia is not giving me this information.

Josh Monde was Tish. The year of Martha Mercy, May Marlene at Sundance. Like, I was there that year was one of, one of my few in-person Sundances. And I just remember this like pack of dudes, like all emerging together, which is Brady in, yeah, Brady's in that. And Josh Mon produced it and Sean Durkin were directed it. Sean Durkin is NYU, is Tish. Brady Corbe had been in movies for like, ever. He was in Mysterious skin. He was at, like, 13. Brady Corbe sort of like pulls all of, like, movies. like, for lack of a better term, sort of like

dirtbag indie, like culture together a little bit. What is the story with him and Mona Fastfold? How did they get together? How did, did they meet on a project or? I have no idea. I'd be interesting. But they've been collaborating together ever since

because they always do like a back and forth on their productions. Right, right. Yeah. let's see i want to do i want to interview her for amly so i'm going to try to find out yeah you totally should she co-wrote childhood of a leader she was married to norwegian musician sondra lurch i don't know how you say that name but he was like a cool brooklyny musician type so i wonder i don't know that's a miss me might be a real leap yeah um but anyway it's just like

Chris and I talk a lot about the sort of the 90s indie movie culture and how it felt like an actual subculture in a way that we've kind of lost. But like these little kind of like collectives are fascinate me on that same level where it's just like a bunch of different creatives doing each other's projects. The sort of the mumblecore era had that a little bit where you had Greta Gerwig and the Duplas Brothers and Josh Swanberg and. Joe Swanberg, not Josh Staffdy. Right, right. What we have now that's replaced it is like Brooklyn comedy. Oh, boy. Brooklyn comedy.

Yeah. People who come from that world that are now making film and television that are all interconnected in some ways. Yeah. The thing about the mumblecore thing and like, I don't think we've gotten a good answer to this. And I don't know how to ask it myself is like Mary Brownstein making her movie in 2008 with Greta Gerwig in it. then she doesn't make a movie for 18 years. She's married to the guy who's producing all the Safis movies, so she's clearly, like, in the club, in the A-24 realm,

but, like, whatever point she manages to make if I had legs, and then watching Greta Gerwig take over the world, like, I don't know. Like, I need, like, write a screenplay about that because the vibe that aren't fascinating to me, and there's no way to, like, I've said in an interview, but I would love to know what really happened back there.

I get very, there are two wolves inside me kind of thing about it, because part of me is, I feel the same way. I'm, like, desperate to, like, I want to know all about, like, you know, what that. Well, and just sort of, like, what it, what, yeah, like, who, yeah, what that was like, and who sort of, you know, intellectually or creatively, artistically aligned with who and that kind of a thing. And yet the other, I had this conversation with a friend of mine the other day. I'm like, we know too much about all of these people. I'm like, I want more.

It was because we were talking about Heidi Klum's Halloween costume, where we were like, and we were sort of lamenting the. idea that like Halloween, celebrity Halloween has become just like photo shoots and step and repeats and stuff like that. And it's just like, why are they, why do they have to pageant Halloween? I'm like, remember when like, you know, people in Hollywood had parties that like nobody had access to and they were. Oh, they still do. We just never know that they exist. But like, but there's so many things. Like, why, like, why are they all going to like parties with step and repeats on Halloween? You know what I mean? And it's my same problem with like the met gala of it all where it's just like do a met gala like

just be fucking like coistered about it you know what i mean like don't involve all the people on my timeline having to pretend that they're like fashion experts for for a week possibly having gone to the vanity fair oscar party enough and seeing the really famous people show up for like whatever quick amount of time they need to take all the stops and then get out of there to a party that none of us are invited to but like i have absolute confidence they're having cool parties that we don't know about good worry, Joe. We're not invited. We'll know about them. Thank God. Thank God.

But, yeah, so it's, you know, because I think the alternative to these filmmaking collectives being a little mysterious for us is VidCon culture and, you know, TikTok culture where, like, we know all of the, like,

feuds and whatever. Like, I know way too much about who's that fucking... Because people fashion themselves as famous. Like, right. the makeup influencers who are, like, feuding and whatnot. Who were the ones, the guys who were dating in secret for, like, seven years? And then they just broke up. Is it anything?

There's a vulture headline about it. And I was like, I don't know who any of these people are. Now I have to. I think, are you talking about Conor Franta and someone else? Or, like, I don't know. There's some stuff. Maybe. Yeah.

I don't know. Let me, oh, no, no, it's actually something separate. That's the one that Chapel Rhone is in the middle of that involves Conor Franta. Oh, Jesus. Reading, Choice of Ann. No, these people were much less famous. That's right. The Trois of Ann Conor-Franta thing

where they finally acknowledged that they, like, once dated or whatever. Yes, I remember reading about that. What's the thing you're talking about? I don't know. I swear it was that, like, so-and-so and so-and-so confirm that they're actually dating seven years after, like, they're, like, married or something. Is this old, like, Phantom Limb Vanity Fair stuff

where, like, I used to, like, have to, like, know a little bit about this. editing Richard Lawson going to VidCon in 2015 and like all the like parts of my brain are still firing off on something like that. Yeah, yeah. Oh, here we go. Here we go. Dan and Phil are dating. No.

It is real. You know who these people are. Not Dan and Phil. They're just known as Dan and Phil. Get the fuck out of here. Here we go. Dan Howell and Phil Lesser confirmed that fan is real, written on the website, at Vulture.com October 13th, 2025. This is new news. This is very recent.

Yeah, they're dating. They've been in the day for 16 years. They've been on YouTube this whole time. There was also that, like, gay influencer couple who, like, broke up in that video that was, like, so awkward and weird to watch. Do you remember that? Oh, God. That was only a couple months ago. No. Oh, God. Anyway, I'm glad that I'm bringing it back to Antonio Campos. I think... I spent a lot of this movie watching it, like, so why did this person agree to do this movie? And some of it is, like, everybody dies very quickly, so they probably all just filmed for a week at different intervals. Yeah, that's probably it.

But in 2016, he releases Christine. Yeah. Which is a pretty strong movie that has a really excellent Rebecca Hall performance in it. And actually, like, a really great ensemble of performers, like Maria Dizzy is in that movie. Tracy Letts is great in that movie. You can see her making more of a push to, like... get a best actress get into the best actress conversation she was in the conversation but as like a real long shot but like it's you know that movie was distributed by the orchard so it's not like you know and it's about what it's about and so it's like it's very clear after something like after school simon killer and christine that antonio campos is interested in dark stuff um yeah but like christine has a like very focused character

study, you know, at the heart of that movie, it is about very specific things. The devil all the time feels like this kind of, just like very scattered epic of violence, you know, like. Yeah, yeah, I think that's right. And I mean, you can see that sort of through line, you know, going through all of his stuff. you can see it in the Brady Corbayness of it all even in something like Martha Marcy Mae Marlene

like you know the Maria Dizia jump scare moment of that movie and stuff like that there's just like these like shocking random moments of violence and stuff like that and how did you both fall down

on the staircase don't let the pun intended no pun intended what are we doing an owl you down. I really liked the staircase. Of it.

Caircase was a classic thing that happened to be at Vanity Fair a lot where David Canfield was deep into covering it and I was like, I can say this one out. I don't need to. Yeah.

This is also what happened with them fellow travelers if I was talking to you guys about the other day, which I never finished. She was like David was on it. So I watched some of the staircase. And I should finish it

because again, classic Durham story. Also, Durham gets a shout out in the devil all the time. Harry Melley is revealed at the end of the movie would be from Durham. I don't know why.

It made no sense. But I was happy to hear it. Staircase happened around... Sorry, go ahead, Chris. No, I was just going to say, I liked it until suddenly I very much didn't. Like, it kind of fell apart for me. Was it after the part where it becomes more about, like, releasing future installments of the documentary? Basically, yeah.

I did feel like the thing I said at the time, which was, you know, intended to provoke a little bit, but, like, it's the rare project that needed less Julia Pinoche. Like once that, once her character became important. I liked the Julietopinosh stuff. Did you? Oh, I thought the movie did not need any of that, unfortunately. I mean, it's also this tricky thing of like, they decided to tell this story as it's basically still ongoing. But I think ultimately that show decides, oh, this guy absolutely did it and we're going to position this show.

Yeah. You know, in order to, like, get out of the show. Yeah. We're going to take an definitive stance. It's also a, I would say, crucial companion piece to Parker Posey's accent in the White Lotus. Yes, you absolutely see. And Patrick Schwarzenegger's in it, too. Yes, yes.

You really do see the seeds being planted. Doesn't she say something like, Riemann, y'all know what that means? This woman knew her husband was talking about fucking this and sucking that. God knows what else. Rimming. Y'all even know what that means. It's tremendous. Yeah.

Yeah. It's that whole scene where she's talking about all the disgust and sex acts. Yeah, it's great. Also, Rosemary DeWitt as just like an absolutely pitiless and like angry sister-in-law is so good. She's good at that kind of thing. really good at that kind of thing. Should we move on to the IMDB game? Yeah, I think so. Katie,

do you have any other last? I can look at my notes. Yeah, look at you, to your notebook. That I forgot to checking on. I did want to make sure that I mentioned Durham. Oh, I don't want to speak. It is relevant to these sides. But one of the first things that Robert Pattinson says that he says,

Blessed are they who hungered and thirst for righteousness? And Chris Fowl, you know what I thought of. I hunger and thirst, Analy. When are we getting that soundtrack? Because I need to listen to that beautiful solo again. They finally put a drill out there. So it was an Anley prequel right there. Rapper Pattinson would have been good in Anley.

So many of them are. No, I think that's mostly it. No one should hitchhiker fall asleep in a car in this movie. Yeah, bad idea. I didn't fall down my rabbit hole of this basically being the Bible. Or like the way that the Bible is several family sagas. Is it just because there's a body that's, crucified at the beginning of it.

Well, no, because it's like, and then the son of Esau went on and did this thing. Exactly. Yeah. Because, like, that made me, I, I think I just hit a certain wall with this movie that I was just like, is this just going to be like

a tour of trauma? Like, what is, what, where is, where are they coming from with this movie? And I did kind of graft on to, like, at a certain point, the inner generational saga felt biblical to me. But even that's not

like a complete idea. You know, it's... The moment this movie lost me was the Eliza Scanlan is going to kill herself, but then the narration tells us that she decided not to.

And then she trips and falls and kills herself anyway. And it's like, I, the movie doesn't seem like they're trying to play it off as funny. But like, the alternative is then it's just like, oh, makes you think. And it's like, no, it doesn't. No, it makes me think about something, like, one more absolutely miserable thing.

Right. Right. Like, creatively miserable ways for people to suffer. Yeah. Yeah. I was trying to think of, like, movies that, like, span decades that have that kind of, like, intergenerational saga thing. Like, the Thorn Burns is the mini-series, but, like, you know, you follow family over a long period of time. Like, I thought about East of Eden in that way. Yeah. I think that's a big one. I mean, I was thinking it's a big one. I mean, I was thinking the win gets you there like it's it's a hard thing to do like even laurence of arabia like is mostly just about a couple people and doesn't happen for that long of a period of time it's better suited

to books oh that movie about that welsh guy yeah yeah yeah yeah famously welsh to you laurence yeah yeah yeah joe would you like to explain the i mdb game for our listeners sure uh every week we end our episode with the i mdb game in which we challenge each other with the name of an actor or actress and we try and guess the top four titles that i mdb says they're most known for any of those titles are television shows, voice-only performances, or non-acting credits. We mentioned that up front. After two wrong guesses, we will get the remaining titles release years as a clue, and if that is not enough, it just becomes a free-for-all of hints.

That's the IMGB game, Katie. You're the guest, so you get to choose the direction in which we're playing the game today. Would you like to give or guess first? I would like to give, because I don't want mine to get stolen. I don't know if that's a good motivation. Okay, so I get to go ahead and go. Yeah, you get to pick who has to guess. I will give to Chris.

Okay. So Chris will give to me and then I will give to Katie. I'm hoping I have picked one that you guys haven't done it a while because that's always the hard thing to remember. But I went down the Riley Kiho role, even before I realized just how many random people she has worked with. But thinking about Zola, coming out that same year, Chris, I would like to give you Coleman Domingo. Oh, okay. And there is a television. Well, he was Emmy nominated for the four seasons just recently.

Sure was. And that was a hit show. Right? People watch that. What's the answer? Yeah, who's to know? I'm trying to think of, oh, well, no, euphoria. He's on euphoria as well.

I'm going to say it's euphoria. It is not euphoria I don't want to get years before this but I just got to burn off the TV show Is it the four seasons? It is not the four seasons Wow What show am I forgetting?

For one that I may have given you something That's unfairly hard So, okay, so do I give you the entire run span of the TV show? Yeah, you never really settled on this. I think you can give the dates. The show ran from 2015 to 2023. Wow.

Your movies are 2012, 2014, and 2009. 2012, 2014, and 2009 for Coleman Domingo? Yes. And then, like, 2009 may actually be a TV movie. I know it's on a series, but I'm not 100% sure I had a theatrical movie. It may have played theatrically, but it is... It's a little bit of an edge case. Yeah, there's a...

Holy crap, this is going to be hard. It is. Because I'm like... Hard. Multiple Oscar nominations, that's where I was going to go next. I know, I know. He's been in big movies since, but like... It is, it is a strange...

This is still, like, before he even broke out. This is when he's still doing theater. Mm-hmm. Okay. What... You can follow theater as one of your threads, if you would like, if that helps you get somewhere. Is one of them passing strange? Yes, one of...

2009 is passing strange. I mean, Spike Lee's filming of passing strange is incredible. I have a DVD right there. Wow. Oh, do that air on HBO? Is that? IFC. I mean, you did an amazing job guessing that.

I'll often very little other information. Okay, so your remaining years are 2012 and 2014. The TV show, though. Oh, I'm sorry, yes. Was he on the TV show that whole time? Yeah, I'm pretty sure. It seems so. Yeah.

He made, according to IMDB, he made 109 episodes of this TV show. he at the very least was in like the first several seasons it might have been one of those things where he like he was credit only it does seem like he's credit only in a good number of these but he's definitely like appearing season five season six yeah to me this was the thing that broke him out for me okay but like i guarantee you watch this show for like a couple of seasons but i i did not is it a network show no No. So it's a streamer show. No. Is it an HBO show? No. It's not premium people.

Not premium. Yeah, not premium. Who else was really making original shows that people paid attention to for a while there? AMC. AMC is an AMC show. Walking Dead? Not Walking Dead, but... Fear the Walking Dead?

Fear the Walking Dead. I got to go I got to go All right The movies Are movies you have Certainly seen And may

You probably do remember They called them DeMago's in them 2012 is Lincoln Yes Yeah it is Opening scene of Lincoln Right

I believe so Yep And then it's 2014 Yes Um Don't stray too far From Yeah

Lincoln is the right wheelhouse Yes Because it's Spielberg No. But it's an Oscar nominated Best Picture? Yes, but not to the extent that not as big an Oscar movie as Lincoln was. Okay. But it's still nominated for Best Picture.

And he has a bigger role in it. Yes. I mean, he'd almost have to. Selma. Selma. Wow. Four things that Coleman Domingo is not known for these days. He kind of popped in Selma, though, too, I feel like it.

He did. I do remember him. Selma. Wow, but his like needs a refresh to see the place. He's definitely one of those things like on my third or fourth viewing of Lincoln was when it was like, oh my God, it's Colin Domingo. Oh yeah, you watch Lincoln today.

There's even more of those, yeah. You never know who you're going to see. Chris, I'm sorry you owe me. That's okay. I got there, I got there. All right. You know what? Let's, no, I'm not going to do that. Joe, for you, I pulled Brady Corby.

Oh, are they all acting credits? There are three acting credits, and then one, he is listed as producer. The brutalist. The brutalist is the, I thought I could trip you for a sad. Weird. Does IUDB do that sometimes? Sometimes, yeah. IMDB, you can definitely tell this is probably like an industry ego thing.

IMDB waits towards producer before director. So someone like Scorsese or Spielberg, producer first. It's very, very weird. So the thing with Brady Corbe is you're left with that choice between smaller movies where he's the lead or bigger movies where he's got very small parts. Or sometimes it's also small movies where he has very small parts Because he will show up in a thing I'm going to say Mysterious Skin

Correct Whoa I think because he's the lead I'm going to say Simon Killer Simon Killer is incorrect Deng Melancholia Melancholia is correct Nice

So I've got three And one wrong guess And one wrong guess Um I don't think he shows up in Voxlux Um Oh It'd be a very big surprise if Eden was on there

Um Um but I might want a year, so I'm just going to say Eden. Eden is incorrect. Your year is 2007. Okay. So Mysterious skin is like... 05.

0-4. 0-4. Okay. Might have been theatrically really so 5. So this is a couple years after that. It's before Simon Killer. It is what I thought it was. I had the year wrong in my head.

Interesting. All right. Brady. This is a movie I've seen, I imagine? I don't think so, but you know about it. It's not something you've never heard of. So it's not funny games. It's funny games.

It is funny games. Okay. I think that one didn't release theatrically also until 08. Yes. I think Michael Hanukkah is. is a mean, a mean, mean person. I like Michael Hanukkah. That remake is...

I mean, it's the same thing as the original. I did not care for funny games. Yeah. What's that? I did not care for that movie. Yeah. It really does not think much of its audience. Nope.

All right. So I am quizzing Katie. Okay. So I tumbled down the staircase, and there I found one of the people who played the Sons in that, not Patrick Schwarzenegger, but Dane Dahan, who I realize is like, was my Caleb Landry Jones before Caleb Landry Jones came along, where this scurrely little, like, tweaker of an actor who, like, everybody hated, and I was like, nah, man. And now I think people have come around on him, which is good. Yeah. Well, it's funny how he's, like, grown up, but kind of hasn't really grown. I saw him in something this year.

And I'm not going to be able to remember what it was to be able to guess it. Oh, yeah, I'm not going to guess that. What was it? The Peter Berg Show. American Primeval. Is that what it was about the Mormon massacre? Yeah. Oh, I didn't even realize.

It was a native tribe and murdered a bunch of, like, other Mormons. Yeah. It's a wild story. I'm not guessing American Prime Evil. They reference that in another show from around the staircases time that I know you liked a lot less than I did, which was Under the Banner of Heaven. Oh, great, right. Wait, is anyone in death all the time under the banner of heaven? It feels like this should be. I don't know, but Denise Goff is in that one. Oh, okay. Now, maybe you have my interest.

Okay. For Dane DeHan, I'm going to say Chronicle. Chronicle is correct. 2012's Chronicle. I know that there are big. bigger roles, but based on Michael and Domingo information, is Lincoln one of them? It's not, but that's a good guess. That is a good guess. All right. I thought that would get me there. She is in, is he in, what's just the Amazing Spider-Man? Is he in? I think he's, is he in the Amazing Spider-Man 2?

And Amazing Spider-Man 2 is correct. Okay. Very good. All right. And then after that, I feel like he makes a bunch of movies that nobody sees. Um, what is the one where Daniel Radcliffe is Alan Ginsberg and Dane DeHan is, what does he play in that movie? What does that movie call? It's not called Poor Things. It's called, oh, God, it's got things in there, something like that. You're real close.

I know. And the director's name is Jean Grichitis. I remember interviewing him as well as I was interviewing him. Oh, wow. Interviewed someone in a restaurant and it was very, like, exciting. it's not things it's um what would you call like small little beloved children tiny creatures not not beautiful creatures or heavenly creatures it's almost like a term of endearment so making me feel like i'm going to get this movie uh it's also like it's a it's a term for

something you're advised to do in writing. Oh, kill your darlings. There you go. Come! Yes. And so that's fun there? Yes, kill your darlings. Where he plays Lucien Carr, who is Alan Ginsberg's school chum, who... I think he kills somebody or he kills him.

He kills the college professor who he's having an affair with. Right. An affair feels maybe, like, not quite characterizing it. And you can tell, my brain is not really conjuring any of this. Um, okay, so I've got one more, but I don't have any years yet. Right. Um, is he in tulip fever? We'd make tulip fever, my guess.

He is in tulip fever, but that is not it. Not it. Okay. So your remaining year is 20, it's technically 2012, but it was a 2013 release. Oh, okay. So that's like right around Chronicle when he's... All of his movies are on this are within a two years span. I mean, that he was, that's why he then went up American, Geneval in a really random them spot. Okay, so 2012 is the year of the first amazing Spider-Man. So, and The Chronicle is probably 2011. Is it like big movie or a small movie? Small movie with a big scope. Yes. Oh, okay.

With a director who has a movie out this year, this fall. Oh. Was it a worthy? We have an episode. Yeah. We thought it was going to be. Yeah. We thought it was going to be. we thought it was going to be in 2012 okay and so it came out oh but I mean the year but the movie this year also we thought it was going to be an awards oh right

oh so it said this had Oscar buzz a movie for 2025 already probably never say never but probably yeah okay so this movie was a 2020 was a 2020 12 like festival oh is it Anna Karenina no he's not Anna Karenina No, he's not. God, but I feel like I'm thinking of, like...

Almost certainly it was a 2012 TIF movie. It was. Okay, that's what I'm trying to think of. Like, I definitely was, like, at 2012 TIF, and I'm trying to, like, think of what it would have been. Okay. Is he in it with, like, another actress? Like, is it, like, a two-hander thing?

It's not a two-hander. It's, in fact, a many-hander. Oh, a big scope thing. There are probably two actresses in the entire movie. Oh. Well, that's being facetious, but that you would remember are in the movie, one of which is in the Oscar race this year. Okay.

So it's not a Lincoln, even though it's a huge movie from 2012 with a bunch of people in it and not a lot of women. An actress who is in the lead actress race this year? Yes. I don't know why I'm off on this. She is not a big part in this movie, though. Now I'm literally looking it up because I don't remember. Is it Jennifer Lawrence?

No. No. Someone we talked about this episode. Oh, that's who it is. Is it Roseburn? It's Roseburn. Roseburn and Dane DeHan in some big, like, serious kind of movie? Very serious.

Have I seen this movie? I would be shocked if you haven't. Okay. And then I would tell you to go watch it, ASAP. Oh, okay. It's not like, why do I keep going to Chaz? I'm not Cloud Atlas. That's the wrong year to that.

There is also another actor who's not in the acting races this year, but has made a movie that is in the Oscar race this year. Like, directed a movie that is? Is it Bradley Cooper? Yes. A Bradley Cooper? Is it Silver Linings Playbook? No? No.

That's the same year. That was 2012. It was a Bradley Cooper movie from 2012 that is not. Oh, it came out in 2013. But those would have both been at the same TIF, actually. And the director of this movie also has a movie on the outside of a... Okay, something that we are not actually taking seriously as a... We were.

Who knows, it can still happen. I'm on a mission to get that movie's lead actor a Golden Globe nomination. I think that's incredibly doable. I think that's probably the ceiling. I hope so. This is a very serious brooding movie about men. And a lot of people didn't like it because of that. Is it like in the company?

No, I think there'll be men. What's the movie with Bed-Aff like in Kevin Conno? You're thinking of The Company Man. It's not that. No, it's a lot. It's more, it's grittier than that. What does Dane DeHan play? He plays somebody's son.

He plays. It's one of those generation-spaning things. So like, devil all the time coded? Not wrong. Well, not, not wrong. Okay. I hope I'm being very interested. A legacy.

If devil all the time was really good, it would be this. He plays a son dealing with, reckoning with the legacy of his father. I love this. It's a place beyond the pines. There we go. It's a place beyond the pie. Gross Burns in that movie? She's Cooper's wife.

Wow. Yep. Yep. Yeah, place beyond the pines is absolutely at that tip. Wow. Okay. I don't remember Daydahan being in that at all. Is he and Emery Cohen or like the son? He and Emery Cohen are the son. No, this movie is so devil all the time. Dane to Han is Ryan Gosling's son and Emery Cohen is Cooper's son. Yeah. Yep. Yep. This is all adding back up to me. Thank you for going with me on that journey. Anyway, get Channing Tatum a Golden Globe nomination. Yeah, I think that'll support you. I support you in that quest. I hope so. I hope so. All right, speaking of quests, that is our episode. Come to the end. I told my husband, this would be like an hour and a half, and here we are.

You lied. You flat out lied. I don't have a real, like, disease being like, my podcast don't take that long. It's fine. Here we are. Katie, thank you so much for coming back. We love having you on. Yes.

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