This Had Oscar Buzz - 373 – Uncut Gems (w/ Chris Rosen!)

Episode Date: December 29, 2025

With Marty Supreme in theatres, we thought it was perfect timing to talk about the Safdies and the gems. And we’ve finally brought in The Ankler’s Chris Rosen to join us! In 2019, the ascendant Josh and Benny Safdie brought us Uncut Gems, an anxiety-inducing comic thriller set in New York City’s Diamond District and hinging on the … Continue reading "373 – Uncut Gems (w/ Chris Rosen!)"

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I disagree, Gary. Hello, and welcome to the This Had Oscar Buzz podcast, the only podcast dancing with the sugar plum fairies because the Rat King says so. Every week on This Had Oscar Buzz, we'll be talking about a different movie that once upon a time had Lofty Academy Award aspirations, but for some reason or another, it all went wrong.

The Oscar hopes died, and we're here to perform the audience. autopsy. I'm your host, Chris Fyle, and I'm here, as always, with my menace of the Diamond District, Joe Reed. You know what's funny is when I saw this movie, I was working at a job where my office was in the dreaded Fox News Building, directly across the street from the Diamond District. And who knew that all of this was going on, you know, while I was right there across the street in the worst place on Earth? Had you ever spotted any of those guys, and by those guys, you know the ones that I mean

all the guys with the face in this movie. All of the faces? Yeah, like I just imagine the softies were just like shooting on the street and they were like you, come here. Right, just grabbing people off the street being like, you look absolutely insane. Come be in our movie. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't want to leave our guests hanging. I'm so excited for this. This is long delayed. So excited to finally have deputy editor of the anchor Chris Rosen here. Yes. Anything is possible, guys. Anything is possible.

This is great. I'm so happy to be here. Particularly happy to have you for this movie. And I was so psyched when you sent a list, I was like, man, I thought it was a joke. I was like, wow, they have uncut gems on here. Of course I'm going to want to do uncut gems. Like, why would I not? I absolutely love this movie.

Okay, so you're going to be everything about. You're going to be the most pro about this movie. I feel like I will be. I'm 100% feel. But at the same time, I, don't think it would have ever gotten any Oscars, which we'll talk about. That's what makes it kind of a fascinating Oscar story, that it got seemingly as close as it did. Yeah, yes.

But see, the thing is, it got close as it did just for Sandler. I mean, I think this is a movie that for a long time, we're going to be talking about a lot of different things about it. The way Darius Conchie shoots this movie is crazy. The score is amazing in this movie. but like really when it came to the 2019 race it was just Sandler you know it was hashtag Oscar for Sandman although I mean you look at like the

award season in general this did very well at the Independent Spirit Awards like it was definitely you know a presence through the season and like the Safte's one best director at the Independent Spirit Awards that year but yeah I also just think it was in general on a lot of like top 10 lists

Critics really loved this movie. It was like a leveling up, I think, for the Softie Brothers from Good Time, a movie that was already very, very well liked. So I think in general, I think at all, and at the same time, people did sort of like watch this and people were like, all right, Oscar voters aren't going to respond to this like two hour plus anxiety attack of a movie. Like, absolutely not. But it was a good, it was an eye opener, I thought. of how well-regarded Sandler is in the community. Not just like, you know, with like the staff of the ringer or whatever. But like actual, like people, like that moment in at the SAG Awards where Jennifer Aniston goes in the middle of her acceptance speech for the morning show.

I guess that was years later. But like it was that same vibe of like Jennifer Anderson being like Adam Sandler, your magic is real and I love you, buddy. And it's like it's one of my favorite acceptance speech moments of the past decade, where she's like, I love you. But it's just like, that's the level that people really do appreciate Sandler. And I think one of the things I want to get into, I'll get into when we start talking about his Oscar sort of chances writ large is, because there's a temptation to compare him to somebody like Jim Carrey. But I think people generally don't and didn't ever really like Jim Carrey all that much. And I think people really do love Sandler.

So I think that makes a big difference. 100% agree with all of that, I think, and we've seen it this year with like Jay Kelly, which I'm sure we'll talk about too in terms of like the Sandler of it all. And he's not going to win an Oscar for Jake Kelly, certainly. He didn't win for this. And I feel like he will eventually, I think there's a world where he never wins one and gets an honorary Oscar at some point or he actually does win one. I think if he's in a strong movie, he could win. Because like you're saying, like the enthusiasm for him, we saw this at like the Oscars this year when he came out and did his hit, right? With Cohen. And it was.

It's like, oh, wow, like, people love Sandler. They just love them. The beginning of the great alliance between Adam Sandler and Timothy Shalamee that really bring it to the stage this year. What category do those two need to present together? Oh, my God. Best picture? No.

Not mad at it. Not best director. Like, honestly, like, it should be like a really, it should be a really good one. Yeah, but they should be allowed to riff, you know. At that point in the night, no one's doing anything. That's just a super famous person. out and just reads the copy. They should do the scientific and technology.

I was going to say that, or what if they did, like, live action short or something? Oh, well, yeah, they always definitely give, like, animated short to, like, the designated goofballs, right? So it should be a little bit more prestigious than that. And then everybody's going to be like, oh, what if they hosted the Oscars? When they're on YouTube, they can host the Oscars together. I would be on board. See, Sandler Oscars remotely from the top of the sphere, though. Like, that was the greatest thing.

I spent 10 minutes, Rosen, being like, please don't let this be AI. Please don't let's. And I kind of thought it wasn't because of the way he was shouting. I'm like, that's the way you shout when you're like actually outside at a tall distance. So I'm like, oh, please don't. Because if it was going to, it was a. I was going to be, I have to be really, really fucking pissed at it. And then once I heard it was real, I'm like, this is the greatest thing I've ever seen.

It was really great. It is crazy that it's not AI because like everything at the sphere is AI. Well, everything at the sphere is suspect. Yep, you're totally right. He just looked too scared. Yes. I love Timothy Altschalma. He's a fantastic actor, but I was like, he's actually not that good that he doesn't have, he's not a little bit scared. Yeah, yep, yep. This is also a pro Marty Supreme podcast, right? Now in theaters, certainly raking up a ton of money. Yes. Yeah. Well, my God, it's the number of the money it made in limited on six screens. Biggest, uh, limit, biggest per screen average since La La Land. I have thoughts on why I think that Marty Supreme will do much better at the Oscar. Certainly we'll get. get actual nominations, but I think it could win something versus uncut gems, even though they're obviously so similar.

But I think there is a key distinction between them. I want to get into that. I want to get into the similarities, too, because it maybe held me back a little bit on Marty Supreme that I'm like, all right, these guys, not these guys, because it's just Josh in this one. But I'm like, there's a softy mold that, like, is so cemented that I need them to break it a little bit. And that was maybe my one holdout on Marty Supreme.

But my pet case, if we're talking about Marty Supreme's chances at the Oscars, it's fucking crazy that Jack Fisk doesn't have an Oscar. It's crazy. It is. And they, like, shot parts of that movie in Midtown Manhattan, and it looks like it does. Like, I know that, like, production design has a lot of competition this year. Hannah Beechler would certainly deserve a second Oscar if she wins for sinners. But, like, it is crazy that Jack Fisk, who is a legend, has not won an Oscar.

Yeah. No, I mean. It's a good winner. And I think, I mean, besides Shalomey, who I'm, like, you know, super, you know, rioting for, for sure. But this would be a great first-ever win for the casting category, too, just because... Absolutely agree. I mean, and when, so a couple weeks, maybe just a week ago, I was on a call with some folks from the Academy. me, who are sort of talking about the casting category and sort of, you know, answering all our

questions about it. And they really did emphasize that, like, we don't want this to be a de facto ensemble award. We want it to be an award for the process of casting. And in particular, casting the non-superstar roles, like the smaller roles, the sort of more. And I'm like, and of course, you can say that all you want, and then the voters are just going to vote for what they, you know, like best anyway. But I think if they, if they, If they really do stress that in the communication for it, Marty Supreme is kind of the movie they're talking about in that way. I hope, though, they do.

Like, I feel like the nominees will be good because I think the casting directors are, like, been waiting. It's going to be great. It'll be like Marty Supreme and Sarat. And then the voters will vote for their favorite movie. And the voters will be like, wicked for good. Congratulations. We love so much. We love Ariane and Cynthia.

Oh, my God. I mean, I do see the potential, though, for casting to be, you know, a movie that might not have the chances to win something like Best Picture because I don't really think that Marty Supreme has that chance unless it ends up making even more money than we think it's going to

then it could be a real dark horse but yeah are we riding for anything else for Marty Supreme this year? I'm riding for Odessa Zion just to get nominated I thought she was like the best

I loved her in the movie I was like through the roof kind of performance. I don't think she could. I still think she could get in. I feel like if she gets in at SAG, I think it'll be good. She could be like Monica Barbaro. Yeah. But I don't know if she'll get in, but I thought she was really great. And to be like, I had never. If Al Fanning gets beat out by the Monica Barbaro. That would be hilarious. That would be one. That would be hilarious, but I really think it's possible. El Fanning is Sandler style to me where she'll actually end up winning an Oscar too. Everybody loves her. But I feel like it needs to be like the right thing. And she's still, in

every one of these movies she's like the second focus point of El Fanning should be getting a nomination for Predator Badland. Right. I think we both know. Like she's so fucking good in that movie. I still stand by the reason that she didn't get nominated for the Bob Dylan movie and Monica Barbaro did. It's because El Fanning didn't sing in that movie. And that's that's the deal. But I mean, I love El Fanning, so I'm hopeful for her this year. You know, I'm not going to be heartbroken if Gwyneth doesn't get a nomination. It's not really happening so far. I think we're reaping the rewards. This is exactly what I said like two months ago. I said, even if she doesn't get nominated, this is going to be the first time that Gwyneth Paltrow has participated in, the Oscar race as it exists, now the modern

day Oscar gauntlet of variety actors on actors and, you know, roundtables with other actresses and all of this stuff. And she is scoring, she's getting buckets every, to quote, you know, our friend Griffin Newman, getting buckets at every turn. Just like absolutely, just like clip after clip after clip. She's given Timmy shit. She's bullying Timmy in multiple interviews. She's given Ethan Hawke shit about Taco Bell. That was really good. Even Hawk one was great. Yeah, it was great. So like that's, even if she does not get nominated, I'm getting what I want out of this season with Gwyneth Paltrow on the conversation. I mean, my feeling is there's no Oscar for Chemistry.

Maybe that goes to casting. Now that it's going to be on YouTube, Chris, there will be time for an Oscar for Chemistry. Yeah, let's do it. That's another category. Oh, God, we haven't talked about the YouTube of it all on this show. I am the skeptic. I'm trying to be hopeful. I just don't want, you know, I don't want Tri-Gai Oscars.

Can't get too far into that No, chemistry though, chemistry. Yes, the thing, one of my favorite things about Marty Supreme is that the Shalamey Paltrow chemistry is like off the charts and like, why? Like, there's this weird energy to it. And I think some of it is like when it's at a point in her career, she kind of doesn't care.

It feels like she's taking a flyer on this movie. And you have Chalemay, who's just, like, giving so much. He just, like, wants it so bad. So there's this, like, dissonance in their, like, in their time together in that movie that I just find fascinating and so fun. Well, and that dissonance, again, like, shows itself when they're talking to each other in these things. We're, like, she doesn't know any of his, like, musical references. He doesn't know what acronym means. It's like it's an incredible, it's an incredible dynamic that they share.

It's really great. I love it. Did she not know what was the Tron movie she didn't know? Oh, Tron Magazine, right. Never heard of it. Yeah. She's the absolute best. Has Gwyneth seen a movie in the past 15 years?

Oh, highly debatable. She's the average academy voter. She hasn't seen movies. This is real. This is real. She's too busy making short form goof videos. That's absolutely true. Yeah.

All right. This is our Marty Supreme Corner. I'm sure we'll return to Marty Supreme. Now in theaters, listeners, go see it. We hope you have a good time. But Chris Rosen, we have you here. I'm so excited that you're finally on the show. It's your first time on the show.

So we've got to talk about your Oscar origin story. What was the Oscar year or the movie or anything in the past that, like, really put the Oscars on your, on your radar. I was trying to think of this. And I feel like for me, it was definitely, like, early 90s Billy Crystal, I feel like, was when I really started watching. Because, like, and a lot of, like, it's, I was thinking about this, too. Like, a lot of, like, the 80s, like, at the time at least when I was, like, grow.

It was like, those were, the movies were too stuffy, right? Like, a lot of, like, like, even though I've gone back, out of Africa. Out of Africa is, like, the real, like, that when you watch that. And even now, I rewatch that, like, last year, maybe or two years gone. It's not good. It's so boring and so bad. I thought it was like really, really mediocre. But some of those 80s movies I think are really great, like terms of endearment or whatever.

You know what I mean? Like you'd go through. But I remember like the last emperor. I remember that one winning. And I was just like, what are these movies? Like none of these are the movies I'm watching, which are like the trashy, like, classic 80s movies that you watch on cable. But then when you hit the 90s, I felt like, oh, like, I was probably even though, so I was probably like what, like when Goodfell, I was probably like 12 maybe. Is that right?

maybe when Goodfellas came out so I was like a little young to watch it but I remember yeah like that existing and then by the time I really started watching was probably like Billy Crystal and I remember like his hat like it's obviously awful but the crying game was one really that stood out remember his awful he made a lot of really really offensive jokes about the great it's not great doesn't really hold up years ago and yeah yeah yeah yeah but I remember that Oscars and I remember like that and then like from there it was always like watching it and it was a different time like obviously we didn't have like the internet. So it was just like, oh, you're watching. I watched like ABC was like

Joel Siegel doing his Oscar picks, right? Absolutely. Yeah. Channel 7. And then like watching the show. Always watching before school, the nominations on Good Morning America. And it was great. And then even into college still doing that. And I always did it with my mom always watches, like watching it. And we never saw the movie. Like I really never went like, I mean, I went to the movies, but they never saw a lot of these movies at the time. I would just be like, oh, what should win or like what was like people talking about entertainment tonight or But you were like, you had a passive awareness of these things, in part because of the Oscars.

So, yeah. Oh, yeah. And then, like, just watch. And then, like, and then, like, and then by the time I was, like, in high school being like, oh, I should go back and watch, like, a lot of these movies. And I still haven't seen, like, all the best picture winners. You know what I mean? Like, that's, like, I'm not caught on either.

Yeah. Yeah. Tough, right? Yeah. Yeah. But, like, do I really need to see the Lawrence Olivier handlet? Probably. I think I got it.

I got it. Probably not. Who knows? But anyway. That's one of the great things about guesting on podcast. is that we'll force you to like watch movies that you haven't seen if you if you you know it'll give you a project or something um but I really love Billy doing the show and I was like I feel I mean that is like I mean having watched like I've watched a lot of we did like I used with my old

colleague Joyce we did a lot of rewatching of the Oscars and we did like I we definitely did I think the 80s and the 90s and 2000s I believe that was like all and those are like great to rewatch all of them but the 90s is really when the show hits its stride obviously like Billy is great most of the time and it just feels like so classic oscarry that we're i'm still like chasing that high watching the show now you know what i mean like just like oh wouldn't it be great if it was like the night in these shows again christen i will dip into those for uh our patreon every once in a while and old oscar ceremony and but yeah like billy crystal was i i'm in a very similar demographic to you so i was around that same age uh that you were i remember because everybody remembers the

medleys which is like of course but in particular even before he would get to the medley he would have an opening bit where he would like walk out on the stage the one year he was rolled out onto the stage in the Hannibal lector gurney the other one he comes out on a horse because it's the year of city slickers he rides out on a horse they take the horse back and then he clicks the like beep beep like a car uh car lock thing um just that's because car alarms are so new and and Very new in the early 90s. But, like, and Crystal's schick, you know, grew old when they brought him back for the, was it the artist year? Yeah.

Once he, yeah. Oh, that was so bad. And he's still, like, calling back to, like, the Sammy Davis Jr. Blackface thing. And it's just like, Billy, it is fully 2012. Like, what are you doing? But for its time, it was the perfect conduit to, like, we are bringing. And I think you're right to bring up, like, the Oscars of the 80s.

because the Oscars of the 80s had gotten stuffy, and, you know, they were kind of a punchline, and he was able to sort of bring a lot of the more mainstream stuff that the Oscars were nominating in with, you know, talking about, you know, whatever, Crying Game is a good example, or like, I don't know, I'm trying to think of what his other, he did 90, 991, 92, so he would have been talking about stuff, like Howard's End or

Bugsy or whatever. And of course, he'd be like bantering with like Nicholson and Warren Beatty in the audience and he was the best. He was good. So that was my origin story then

and then obviously now still watching it and like loving it. I guess the other thing I've been realizing is that at the time, like we're saying like 80s and even the 90s not, I mean these are main, the 90s winners are obviously like

some of the biggest movies of all time and like incredibly watchable like mainstream shit. But I'm like oh like I'm like a lot of now I'm like when I will look at the nominees and maybe because the academy has changed I'm like have I become I'm the I'm the like this this plays about us now I'm like oh I'm the middle brow person yes because all of this is like the same shit I really like I'm like oh no everything I like gets nominated for best picture I mean but middle brow has changed though right middle brown now is sentimental value I know that's what it is yes whereas like that would

have been high-minded in the 80s. Well, I mean, we're coming off of a year where the best picture winner is a Nora. Like, that was not happening in the 90s for that audience. No, probably not. Probably not. Yeah. That's fair. Yeah. Joe, before we

proceed along into the gems, uncut jams, does anybody else remember Julia Fox doing the jams instead of gems? Not only Julia Fox, but like everybody. Like, everybody who had some sort of platform was doing their Julia Fox impersonation. And

what a very brief time in our lives the Julia Fox moment was. I suppose she's still showing up in things. She was on adults last year, or this past year, or whatever. Yeah, she's showing up as Julia Fox these days. I want to talk about that in relation to this movie, too. It was really nice to revisit this movie and to feel optimistic about Julian Fox. It was 2019. we didn't know the year that we were about to have

ahead of us, so... I think she's really great in this movie, but I... Oh, man. I'm going to be the unfortunate fly in the punch bowl for this movie. What's funny about this is I watched this movie last night

and ended up feeling remarkably similar to the first time I watched it, which was Christmas Eve 2019. I had to stay home, I was sick on Christmas Eve, so I had to stay home. from the family party, and all I did was watch screeners and pout. And I ended up watching whatever the hell, like, we got screeners for it. And I remember this was one of the movies

that I had been, like, putting it off and putting it off. And I finally watched it, and I was just like, oh, I'm like, oh, I hate this movie. So I was sort of going back to it now, I'm like, I might like it better. I'm in more of a Sandler headspace. I'm in more of a softy headspace. And I watched it again, I was just like, God, I hate this movie. I could just say, give me away from this. So we'll definitely talk about it. I'll try not to harsh your buzz too much. No, it's fine. No, no, no, no, no, no, it's fine. It's better when we have a range of opinions on the thing that we're talking about. Yeah. But before we get into it, Joe, would you like to tell the listeners about our Patreon? Yeah, we have a Patreon. We have had it for a while now, a couple of years now. It's called This Had Oscar Buzz Turbulent Brilliance. And it's only $5 a month. It is the, uh, as I like to say, the biggest and best bargain in town. For $5 a month, you get two full-size bonus episodes per month. One on the first Friday of the month, one on the third Friday of the month.

The first one is an episode that we call an exceptions episode. These are movies that we can't cover on flagship this had Oscar Buzz because they got an Oscar nomination or two, but they still follow the same format of big Oscar expectations very, very disappointing results. These are movies like Barbara Streisand's The Mirror Has Two Faces, or Madonna's Wee, Cameron Crow's Vanilla Sky, Lady Gaga in House of Gucci, Mary Queen of Scots with Sir Sharonin and Margot Robbie. We have had episodes with guests. We just recently had our good friend Katie Rich on to talk about James Cameron's true lies.

We have had episodes with our good friend Natalie Walker talking about the Phantom of the Opera. Recently, I guess that is the most recent. True Lies with Katie Rich. What do we have coming up? That's an excellent question. Chris and I will figure that out soon.

Oh, well, the January, we've recorded the January episode. Oh, wait, have we already? Yes, we're doing snow falling on cedars. Oh, right, yes. That's right. Snow falling on cedars. The long-awaited. It's only as a title, Snowfalling on Cedars.

And you know what? happens in that movie, snow sure does fall on those cedars. So we'll be talking about Ethan Hawk and literary adaptations in that episode. Then on the third Friday of every month, we will be giving, we will be giving you an episode that we call an excursion, which is not about a movie specifically, but about a trend or an aspect of Oscar awards or regular movie culture that we tend to obsess over. We are talking about old. Oscar ceremonies, old other awards ceremonies, be they the Golden Globes or the MTV Movie Awards of the Independent Spirits, we will grab an issue of the Entertainment Weekly Fall Movie Preview from years of old and go through that one page by page. We had our awards race check-in in December, which we peaked in at the current state of the Oscar race, and we had a good all time about it. Coming soon, very soon, actually, we will be doing are This Had Oscar Buzz superlatives, our awards for the best of 2025.

We are currently in- February. February of 2026. We are currently furiously in the planning stages of that, and a demented time will be had by all. So that is, once again, This Head Oscar Buzz, turbulent brilliance. You can find us at patreon.com slash this had Oscar Buzz. $5 a month.

All this goodness. Joe, the superlatives F. Y.C. L. M.K. in all categories. In all categories in each and every category. We will be inventing new categories to award L. McKay. You laugh, but... Quite literally. We will. Friends, uncut gems, also known as Uncut Jams.

Directed by Josh and Betty Softie, written by the Softie Brothers, along with Ron Bronstein, starring one Adam Sandler will get into it Lakeith Stanfield Julia Fox Kevin Garnett will definitely get into it

Adina Mansell we will also definitely get into it Eric Begotian Jud Hirsch the weekend I would rather not get into it

and uncredited Tilda Swinton on the phone Haley Gates and various glorious faces and voices of non-actors

of the residents of the New York City the movie World premiered at the Tell Your Ride Film Festival played TIF

and New York Festival opened limited December 13th 2019 and then went wide on Christmas Day Rosen were you going to Tell Your Ride

when this world premiered I was not I remember reading the tweets at the time like Chris Tappley and Sean Fantasy tweeting about this movie in 2019 like

at 11 o'clock at night and being like oh man I'm going to love this movie it looks really good But then I did go to the New York Film Festival premiere, and that was hilarious because they had, like, Mike Francesa there, sports talk host who's in the movie as a bookie. And it was just the best. And his ever tightening face, too good. Like, that man's face gets tighter and tighter every time I say it.

And it's just too big for his face. Yes. And watching that at New York Film Festival. And I had no, I mean, I don't know, like, we'll talk about it. I had no idea, like, what was going to happen. And the ending is a real shock. And I felt like people in the audience were, like, you heard the. the reaction was like, oh, what the hell just happened?

Yeah. And I was like, oh, man, this is great. It was great time. Well, New York Film Festival had to be like the homecoming for this, right? It was a big, it's where it's real world premiere. I was at the TIF premiere and it was a very Oscar for Sandman crowd. Like, between the intro and like the theater going dark and the movie starting, someone yelled Oscar for Sandman and like half of the audience left.

but tell your ride seems like a bad idea i mean we've seen like this year i was like i would love this is a i would love to go back and just look at all the movies that shouldn't premiere at tell you right because like i understand why i love tell you ride it's like my favorite festival i would go all the time i think it's absolutely the best um and they do a great job but sometimes they put like this year frankenstein going there late at night for like sunday in the festival and just like five and a half hours of frankinson everyone asleep the entire telluride film festival watching this is sleep and it got like bad response out of telluride but then like obviously

rebounded like throughout the season and you're like oh man i understand why they wanted to go to tell you ride i'm sure germo del torro wanted to and everything but right this is something that like katy and i have talked about with uh our friend david sims and i david talked about it on blank check too this idea that like this year was a particularly kind of like bizarre year for what movies opened at what festivals. The fact that, like, Jay Kelly went to Venice instead of, like, the friendly environs of Telluride for, like, if they did go to Telluride, eventually, right? But it was after that Venice premiere where everybody was, like, like, looking at it sideways.

And so, like, this movie being at Telluride has got to be one of the all-time hilarious things. It's like that audience with this movie, I can only imagine how appalled. and they didn't like it. And that said, I was there with Anora, and Anora, like, blew the roof off the place. So I think, and obviously, like, I think there's similarities here. But I do think that this is particularly repellent in terms of, like, what it's doing versus a norah, which I think you leave on a little bit of a more thoughtful note.

There are characters in Anora you want to spend more time with. Right. I don't think you can say that about uncut jams. Even if you are liking the movie, I'm going to sort of. No, I don't think you're wrong. I don't think you're wrong. Well, and apparently it was a somewhat problematic premiere. Like, the sound mix was fucked up.

So, like, people on top of it not being the right audience for it, they had, like, a bad experience with the, like, presentation of the movie. Wild. What a choice to... I mean, I kind of see it in the strategy of, like, if you're trying to angle for Sandler, maybe that audience would be friendly towards it. And, I mean, what else did A-24 have that season? They had waves. They took waves to-

Which was also a tell you-right, and did really well. I thought it played really well at tell you-right. I remember reading about it, at least out of time. I didn't go that year. And waves was like the diminishing returns movie of 2019. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, like very quickly diminishing returns. Yeah.

I mean, I could see why, like, the safeties wanted to go because, like, they're, like, and I could see why tell you I wanted to bring it there because Julie Hunsinger, like, they, like, love promoting, like, like, bring, like, we're going to bring people into the community and get them here. And when they have their, like, make a leap with, like, a project or something, like, they go out of their way, seemingly to do that to, like, embrace that filmmaker and be like, oh, so, like, I could see all of, like, those dots connecting. Just the movie and the audience. I could not think of more. This is an audience that, like, saw Empire of Law. light, which is a movie that exists, as you guys both know. And we're like, I remember walking out of that premiere and the person being like, well, I guess that's going to win the Oscar. Is it? Yeah. Not really. But that's the kind of vibe that you're getting at a telluride

sometimes, which is like, you know, very, you know, 80s-Oskery kind of, like we were saying. What's interesting? Listeners can look forward to our Empire of Light exception episode over on the Patreon whenever those fucking Beatles movies come out.

What's interesting about A-24 in this year in particular is it feels like the last year before A-24 became a mainstay in the Best Picture Race, because by the time that year's Oscars happened, Sundance had already happened, and so Minari had already premiered at that Sundance. And so that would be their big best picture nominee breakthrough that year at the Oscars. And so what you have in 2019 is a lot of like, like their best Oscar success that year was the Lighthouse. They got that cinematography nomination. But like it was like they really were pushing the farewell that year. I feel like that was definitely maybe the closest they came. There were sort of halfway pushes. There was a little bit of a push for a while for Florence Pugh for Midsomar,

even though I think everybody sort of realized that that was not ever going to actually happen. I still feel like if they had tried for a Gloria Bell push for Julianne Moore, they could have maybe gotten her into her. Somewhere. They could have gotten her close. But other than that, like you were right. Waves and Uncut Gems were kind of their two big November, December movies that year, which is, you know, just odd to think of. I mean, I think to their, I mean, I think Uncut Gems is such a four, like, when you think of A 24, you think of them and like, you think of this movie, I mean, and to their credit, they push this movie to making $50 million at the box office right pre-COVID, you know.

their biggest hit to date at that point and for considering what the movie is I think that's pretty commendable seeing what movies what kinds of movies

made $50 million in 2017, 18, 19 versus today is a real sobering look like the kinds of movies that we're making $50 million that year are making $8 million

this show would you like to make a cash bet right now about what Marty Supreme will make more money Than Oh then Uncut Jems Yes

Oh no I don't want to go against that I think you're right about that Okay never mind sorry Martin Supreme is gonna make a lot of money I'm not here to fill your pocket I think Marty Supreme's also gonna have legs too Yeah oh yeah definitely Opening box office

The limited Opening weekend for Uncut Gems Jumanji The next level Opened to 59 million. Is that the first of that group of Jumanji movies? There's only two.

Well, right, but is that the first one or the second one? Yes. Because I liked that one. I never saw the second one, but I liked that first one. And they're coming out with the third one, I'm pretty sure this year, this coming year. You compare it to Anaconda, which is not going to make money, and apparently it has a lot more problems

than the Jumansi movies had. Sorry my movies' fantasy league team. My Anaconda flyer is not going to Pan out. Are you trying to tell us that your Anaconda don't? My Anaconda Apparently that song

gets needle dropped quite a bit. Oh God, I should not have. I know that it's of all the horrible times originally, but Of all the horrible times to be dropping a Nikki Minaj song is right now. So. Anyway, Frozen 2 in second place in its

fourth weekend with 19 million Knives out. Everyone's favorite getaway from your Republican family movie during the holidays. Richard Jewel opened this weekend to $4.7 million. I think Richard Jewel today would be lucky to make $4.7 million. Oh, yeah.

And then yet another Black Christmas remake at $4.2 million. That's another one I saw in the theater that Black Christmas made. This is a total non-sequitur, but I was just for some reason the other day, I was thinking, before I saw this weird time, I was thinking of the Black Christmas because there was two Black Christmas rewere. There were. Like there was a 2016. A movie called Solority Row that was essentially the same thing.

That's crazy. Okay. This Black Christmas remake, everyone acts like this is the, like, worst of the remix. No, this is the better of the remakes. I get that it's kind of like... It's Me Too Black Christmas. Yeah, but yes, it is. Which, I mean, the original Black Christmas is also that, but this is so much more ham-fisted about it.

But, like, the other Black Christmas remake, which I wouldn't not recommend it because that was nuts. It's the heyday of torture porn, right? Yes, yes, yes, yeah, yeah. It's definitely a better movie than that. I didn't not like the second remake of Black Christmas, even though it was, like, gear grindingly, like, oh, my God, we get it. There's a fraternity that is, like, steeped in ancient evil. Like, got it, got it, good.

Carrie Elway is just hamming it the fuck up. And it's just like, okay, all right, fine. Also, opening and limited release this same weekend as Uncut Gems, Bombshell. Everybody's favorite Best Picture nominee, Boomshell. No, Bombshell did not get a Best Picture nomination that year. It didn't. It still feels spiritual. It didn't.

It was in the mix for a lot of things, and, like, it got two acting nominations that it probably shouldn't have. But, yeah, it missed out on Best Picture. Then it got nominated two acting. And one, and one, the makeup is. And won a makeup award, it's an Oscar-winning movie. I resent being forced to root against Charlie's Theron because I love her. Well, and that was also where, like, Margot Robbie gets nominated for playing that composite character when, like, she's in a perfectly good movie, giving a good performance in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. That is also, that is the Best Picture nominee.

Just, like, just nominate her for that. That's very, like, Stanley Tucci getting nominated for the Lovely Bones the same year that, like, he's in Julie and Julia being fucking amazing. Except he's bad in The Lovely Bones. And I do think Margot Robbie is good in Bombshell. It's just a terrible movie. She's not bad. She's not bad. She's not Stanley Tucci and Lovely Bones level bad.

We'll say that. Like, that's nothing in bombshell is particularly good, I'll say. No. This is a crazy. This is a great, like, we can talk about this as we're going through. The other issue is this is a fantastic. year for movies, I think, personally. 2019, I agree with you.

It's probably like the best, to me, it's like the best year that we've had in the last six years, obviously, or whatever, seven years, and six years. And it's really one of the great years. And so, like, seeing bombshell get nominated, it's just like, what are we doing? No, what are we doing? I mean, there's probably five movies this year that rotate on the day for what I would say is the best movie up that year. It's truly, like, take your pick.

It's the year of Parasite. Well, you just saw Little Women, so I'm sure you're very high on Little Women. I rewatch Little Women for the holidays. I mean, that is a fucking capital M master. I mean, like, it's so good. So good. It's the year of the Irishman. I think I love the Irishman more than you both.

Well, I don't like it. I like the Irishman. I would say I would go to bad for the Irishman being like the best of the last Corsese movies. Oh, okay. I probably would agree with you. A Portrait of a Lady on Fire is this year. Love that movie. Oh, yeah.

It's a great year. It's a really good year. Also, before we move into the plot description, we'll finally get through the box office portion. Also opening limited this weekend, Terrence Malick's A Hidden Life, a movie that I will absolutely force Joe to do an episode on whenever the Jesus movie comes out. It won't take much arm twisting for me to watch that movie. For as much as I kind of like bitch and moan about Malik, I'm always sort of, up for watching his movies. So, um,

can't be worse than to the wonder. So, to the walls. Nowhere, nowhere to go, but up. Um, here we are,

uh, where we made it to the 60 second plot description without talking much about the movie. Chris Rosen, are you ready to give a 60 second plot description of uncutche? I'm gonna try. I'm also like, what if it's not,

I guess we'll see. I'm so glad I don't have to give a plot description to this movie. This is great. The eternal thing about the 60-second plot description. I think there's maybe, in closing in on 400 episodes of this show, there has maybe been like three episodes where we've hit 60 seconds. Okay. So, you know, it's in name only. Feel no pressure.

Though, if you do want to have a full-blown panic attack like this movie is while you're trying to rush to 60 seconds, we support it. Yeah. Yes. Are you ready? I think so. All right, then Chris Rosen, your 60-second plot description for Uncut Jams starts now. Okay, a degenerate gambler and a jeweler, Howard Ratner. He tries to keep his life from spiraling out of control after acquiring a smuggled black opal from Ethiopia, meeting Kevin Garnett and the weekend, breaking up with his mistress, getting back together with her soon after, maybe breaking up with her again.

I don't even think it's that clear. Celebrating Passover Seder with his family and his strange wife and dodging goons that his brother-in-law hired to collect out of debt, all culminating with him deciding to risk it all to pay back all his debts by stealing money from his brother-in-law that he should have paid back his brother-in-law with and sending his mistress to Mohegan's son to Winnebat. Ten seconds. And then...

He loses the bat or he wins the bat and gets shot in the face to end the movie. That's, I'll just end it there. That's the whole movie. It is really absurd that you got it just under the wire that you managed in the rare instance for this show to get a 60 second plot description of uncut gems. And I don't even think I did a great job, but I do think I hit a lot of the beats. You had a lot of the main points. Absolutely. I do think this is one of those movies where the lion's share of our listeners has seen this movie.

Right. I just spoiled it. But I mean, would you, is that okay? That we spoiled it. No. Oh, yeah. This movie is six years old. Yes. It's fine. If you, you had your, everybody out there, you've had your chance to see Uncut Jams. And if you wanted to watch it before listening to this, you absolutely could have done that as well. So, yeah. It is

available. I love that this movie has the same opening as The Exorcist. I literally wrote that down, Chris. Oh, my God. That's so funny. I literally... No, I remember sitting in the Princess of Wales Theater, and I'm like, this movie starts an Africa. This movie is the exorcist. I said they took I totally forgot this movie

begins in Ethiopia like it's the fucking exorcist. And then it immediately sends you into Adam Sandler's butthole. Yes. And the movie ends in Adam Sandler's bullet hole. Bullet hole. Wow. Wow. Safdi is deep. And if it's I mean like you were saying Chris I love Marty Supreme also. I think it's great. But Marty Supreme honestly has almost the same opening sequence just now you're in in Timmy's dick, right? Like,

and that's how the movie and so I was like, yeah, it has a look who's talking opening. It has a look who's talking opening, which is fantastic. And I do think that's the difference. That to me is like,

that one part is to me the difference between the two movies where this is fully up Sandler's ass all time. And that movie is like, Timi just spreading his, uh, yeah, around the whole thing.

And that's why these movies are different. But that is like, my hold out on Marty Supreme is that able for, Carrara is the Mohegan son of Uncut gems. Is he the Mohegan Center? Is he the guy who places the bet for, or collects the bet for

Julia Fox at Mohegan Sun? That guy with the leatherbound That leatherbound diamond. Yes. Who who is the notorious um

the notorious Hollywood agent who Bet Midler played her on Broadway. That guy looks like her. I saw that play, not a good play. I know exactly what you're talking about, though. I'll think of the name, but yes. Abel Ferrarra also easily the worst performance of Marty Supreme.

Oh, I enjoy Abe. I mean, as much as one can enjoy Abel Ferrar. I'm the last holdout on fucking Mr. Wonderful in that movie, Kevin O'Leary. Wow. I feel like he's so good. I feel like much like a child actor, I feel like you can imagine him getting sort of coached on the line readings. like before every scene. Maybe that's just...

I understand that, but like, as is... Kevin O'Leary is unfortunately fucking great in Marty's suffering. I don't think so, too. I hate to hear people say it. What if Kevin O'Leary is the better than Robert De Niro and Killers of the Flower Moon doing the same...

What? Frozen! I know. I know. We are pull-coding that for when this episode goes up just to, like, get the rage clicks. Oh, my God. Oh, but I do think. Wouldn't it? For nothing else, I'm going to at Mark Cuban, that quote, just to get Cuban to respond to that, and really provoke a shark tank rivalry there. It does suck how good Kevin O'Leary is in that movie, though I think that Kevin O'Leary being so good in that movie absolutely serves the message of that movie.

Here's what I'm going to say. Kevin O'Leary, succeeding in Marty Supreme, only bolsters my camera. to get Barbara Corcoran on the traders on the next season. Great. Love that. Need that to happen. Absolutely need that to happen if you're listening. All right. Okay, uncut champs.

We got to actually talk about this. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Butthole. Start, go. Sandler's incredible in this movie. He is. He's incredible.

He is. I'm not denying that. I am not denying that he's incredible in this unwatchable movie. Yes, absolutely. I'm not saying unwatchable as in like it's a piece of shit with no redeeming quality. It's why would anybody want to subject themselves to anything that happens? This is when Joe's going to accuse me of gas sliding again. But I watch this movie and...

Oh my God, you're going to be like, I'm chill, I'm happy. I don't think it's that stressful, man. It's not the stress. It's not the... I know a lot of people talked about the stress levels and I do see it. It's literally just like everybody in this movie is a piece of shit. Even the real life people who are playing like the most piece of shit versions of themselves. Like it's a challenging movie because Sam like Howard never once makes a right choice.

And so you're watching the movie. And I mean, that's why I think it actually ends up being like a pretty great tragedy at the end where I'm like kind of, I don't know if you're rooting for Howard, but like watching him succumb at the end to his worst instincts. like having to pay such a price but i'm like it's so obviously there's no other way the movie could have ended because like he just refuses steadfastly at every opportunity to do this and even the people who seem to like him like judd hirsch like really does seem to enjoy him right and certainly more than uh arnon right his brother-in-law who's thinks he's a total piece of shit a classic baguosian role bogojian is so great god in this movie uh but even then like even like judd hush like who is sandler's is sandler's dad or his father-in-law i'm like

father-in-law Yeah He's a deeal's death Right right So even him who's like I want to think like likes Obviously likes Howard and stuff by the end It's just like get away from me

Screw you He like screws over his business Like everyone like he thinks Everyone except for good old Julia Fox Think he's just the absolute Biggest piece of shit And so and you're never And he never makes the right choice

So it is a challenging movie If you're like really hoping That somebody makes a choice That will not be horrible But no it never happens Yeah because it's a movie of scumbags and losers. But I do think, you know, yes, I understand the unpalitability of that. But I do think that this is a movie with a clear moral compass, because I think this is a very clear movie about who the scumbags and losers are. I think this movie's on Adina Mansell's side. Finally, something in pop culture is on Adina Menzel side. After decades of the fates conspiring against her, John Travolta sandbagging her Oscar performance.

Cynthia Revo, stealing her thunder in terms of Elphaba. Just, thank God somebody's on Edina's side. The Botfit Mitzvah dress scene is such a, such a highlight. She's so good. When she laughs in his face, I just think she's so good. And is, like, Adina Menzel in Uncut Gems is the Fran Dresher in Marty Supreme, which is the I'd love it if they were in the movie enough for me to make a full-throated

supporting actress campaign. Adina has more to do than Fran Drescher does. Oh, sure. Yeah. I mean, yes. But I also think not enough. She's still not enough of the movie to, like... I think the Marty's Supreme Analogue is more Gwyneth. Well, I mean... Because, like, even when Marty thinks that he's pulling one over on her,

like, no, she's... She knows what's going on. like yeah although i mean she's also the you know adessa zion role too in that like she's the woman who the main character takes for the has to suffer most because of this awful man yeah yeah yeah yeah so crazy you're like jo are you on the sandler's great in this though yeah i think he's great yes i think he's so good in this because like truly even when we've seen him do drama up into including j kelly he's never done something like this like this feels like is like a real performance.

This is a character. It's a character. Punch drunk love, which is my favorite Sandler performance, which is not, you know, making some kind of outlandish claim. I think that's probably

most people's favorite Sandler performance if it's not this. I would say Meyerowitz. Well, you know I love it. Yeah, we're pro-Myerswitz. But I think even both Meyerwitz and Punch Drunk Love, while those are both characters also,

they're characters that kind of borrow in some level from the Adam Sandler persona. I don't think you see that Adam Sandler persona in Howard Ratner. He's played, like, from the voice to the mannerisms to the like, to the way he carries himself, like, this is a full-on, like, character that he's- Yes. And it's like, he really pulls it off. I mean, like, I do think it's like the voice, like you said, like, the way he, his mannerisms.

And to take someone who we were talking about before, everyone loves and to make a character that everyone cannot stand. I do think there is like a real magic to this performance in that way where it's like, wow, he's doing real acting. Like, this is like, this is the kind of shit where you'd be like, oh, like, I mean, he's not like Daniel Day Lewis or anything, but you're like, oh, like, this is like a real, this is a real reach and a real stretch for him. And if he was bad, it would be really, really, really bad, like the performance of the movie.

And so that he's so good, I think really is magical and like, great. Like, I do think this is like his, I would say like, like, to what you were saying, I do think this is probably his best performance because while I love Meyerowitz and Punch Drunk Love, it is Sandler. are coded, you know, and this is something so opposite of what he is that I think that he's able to do it is great. Well, I think what Sandler brings to that type of put, like, we're used to seeing actors going all out or actors that are like stepping outside of their comfort zone, like,

doing that type of like real push, right? But there's a like pretentiousness to it that you just like do not get with Sandler that it's there's um i don't know what's the word i'm looking for in in terms of the quality of his performance here it's not a performance where it's like adam sandler wants to win an oscar right yeah yeah yeah i mean what was i oh oh right rosen mentioned the daniel de louis thing um i'm just now imagining adam sandler daniel day louis style doing the voice off camera like while they're waiting with like set up shots, like doing that voice to other people. It's such a unpalatable.

Just like, can you just imagine like a person like that just talking like that to you all the time? It's just like, Jesus, Howard, just like, I don't know. Can I make a suggestion for the second greatest thing that happened in the awards season that we're talking about? The first, obviously being Parasite winning Best Picture. Adam Sandler won the movies for grown-ups Best Actor Award. He wins not a lot this season.

Yeah. I kind of forgot that Antonio Banderas ran the table of critics prizes for Best Actor this year. A performance I really fucking love, but I forgot that. But Adam Sandler winning the AARP Movies for Grownup Best Actor Award for this movie is awesome. Yeah, no, that's crazy. It's crazy. The other nominees were Bandaris, Robert De Niro, Eddie Murphy, and Jonathan Price. Honestly, a good lineup.

A really good lineup. Probably better than the Oscar lineup. Irishman won picture and director, and yet De Niro couldn't win. De Niro couldn't win shit that season. He couldn't even get nominated. No, not even nominated for that movie, which is crazy, because they fucking loved that, or at least loved it to nominate that movie. They didn't love to give it any Oscars, but yeah. It kind of makes sense with the character. It's, he's a passive character.

I would be willing to bet Sandler was above De Niro in the voting because of that very thing. Well, we'll get into Best Actor soon enough. I wanted, though, speaking about the movie, and since you guys were obviously more dialed into this movie than I am, is the movie purposefully, um, not obfuscating exactly, but like, does the movie purposefully make the mechanics of, um, um, not obfuscating exactly, but like, does the movie purposefully make the mechanics of, not only Sandler's particular scheme, but like Sandler's work, does it make it purposefully chaotic and hard to sort of understand what exactly is going on? Because I look in this movie, and there's so much noise and busyness and chaos inside, you know, the diamond exchange, inside the office, everybody's yelling, everybody's whatever. The camera's always moving around. And I don't quite really ever have a second to stop and be like, okay, this is what's going on.

This is what he's trying to do. This is what he's trying to pull off. And is that just me, like, not being as interested in the movie as I could be because I'm sort of, you know, already being like, all right, whatever. Or is there an intentionality on the softies part to, like, make this movie just be like total chaos and just be like, trust us. Like, Howard's trying to pull off some shit. I would say that it is intentional to me, I think, but it is incredibly inscrude. I mean, like, it is challenging to even figure. I've seen this movie probably four times.

And I still am like, what is he trying, like, him like taking one ring and he's like, he's just like every he's just like, he's just like, it's constant loans that he's not paying back. Right. Taking from certain people to give to other people than taking certain money. And it's just like, what the hell is he doing? Spinning a plate, spinning a plate, spinning a plate. Just so much of that. And it really is dizzying. And I do think that's intentional in terms of like, oh, they're going to show you this world that they kind of had connections to, I think, through their father, right?

Wasn't that like the origin story a little bit? Or like they kind of knew that like the Diamond District world and like that kind of those kind of people who were there. And so like giving that kind of voice to that experience plus like making it you kind of like seduced into this like thing. I think that's the other reason why having Sandler here because like they they obviously wanted Sandler, I think. but weren't, like, wasn't like, am I right about this, that, like, Jonah Hill was one of the people that was gonna be in this movie? Because they had gone through several cycles

of trying to get Sandler to do this movie. Right, and I would say this, like, and I, I'm maybe, I mean, like, I've liked Jonah Hill and a lot of things, but Jonah Hill reads as such an asshole on screen, and, like, that would make this impossible. Jonah Hill would make this movie entirely unpalatable. It would be, it would completely, for me, at least, like, I know Joe, it's still impalletal.

I'm like, for me, at least, like, I think Jonah would make this impossible. And having Sandler, there like Chris like you're saying like he is you have an affection for him even though and like that's what makes it like kind of the tragedy of me work because you're like man I really do want you to try to make the right choice here and you're never going to do it even though you are such a piece of shit like I still am rooting for you and like having a Jonah Hill type in there I think just like blows the whole thing wide open where it doesn't

work because you're just like wow this guy's an asshole yeah or he's so good at playing an asshole I'm not smirching Jonah Hill's name but I'm just saying like he's so he just unlikable as an actor's Yeah, Jonah Hill would not work in this movie. This movie would not be as good with Jonah, Jonah Hill. I do, I think that's a right thing. Sorry, I was just once in before we get off of Jonah Hill, it just makes me think of somebody watching the Wolf of Wall Street

and watching that character he play as that, and being like, no, we want a whole movie based on this guy. Yeah, Jonah Hill and that movie works because he's a supporting player. He's not the protagonist. You couldn't handle that. If he's the protagonist, that would not work. Unbearable. Yeah.

I do think you're right to point out that like Howard's motives are inscrutable because I do think that's maybe one of the things that like holds this movie back to like unabashed greatness to me because it's just like Howard is such a reactionary character which is like pro and con right like that's kind of what fuels this movie but also like I don't ever really understand. what he wants except maybe to win like Howard is someone who just wants to win but like yeah that you can't hang a lot on that I do think though that there is something about this movie that's connected to like Greek theater and like biblical tragedy that like this is the story arc of uncut gems is the kind of thing that has a existed as long as we have been telling stories. Like, this is all, there's almost like a biblical quality to Howard's hubris. But, like, yeah, like, what motivates him in terms of, like, a character in a movie,

it's, it is still undefined. But I don't think that's Sandler's fault. I think that's in the writing. The other thing I sort of came away with watching it this time is this idea that the proximity, the physical proximity to all of that sort of gaudy, shiny, like, literally that, like, it's the idea that, like,

a diamond, like, refracts light in these, like, crazy insane ways, right? Like, the actual, like, he's, like, fucking, like, Gallum with the one ring or whatever where it's just, like, the actual proximity to all of this stuff has made him insane. But he's been locked in this, like, windowless box with all of these...

With diamond-encrusted furbies. Furby? Yeah, exactly. And it's just like, what level of insanity do you have to be at to be like, look at this. Look at this, diamond. We threw colored diamonds onto this Furby and not be like, this is like a perversion of God's gifts. Like, God gave you diamonds and you did this with it.

But just this idea, like, he's got this, you know, he imports the rock from Ethiopian, whatever. And then it's like, it's a matter of like, you have to be let into this inner sanctum through this like system of like locked ante rooms and whatever because like once you are inside this box with all these diamonds that's the idea is that like the you know Kevin garnett or whatever will be so dazzled by being close to these things that he's going to be able to sell them diamonds or whatever and as a you know as a portrait of like the most base uh avarice and

sort of like just the like the awfulness of the you know capitalist enterprise or whatever this idea that just like we are going to like what you hold this rock to your face and it's going to like it poison you with the need to have it and to have more and to risk your entire life in your loved ones lives which again to what I was just saying that's a very biblical you know, concept. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So maybe I'm talking myself into this movie's charms a little more, but like God help anybody who tries to make me watch it again is all I'll say. So yeah. What else did we want to... Okay, you're talking about the glass box that Howard effectively lives in and rots his brain. Yeah.

The door buzzer is maybe the most obvious Chekhov's gun that we have. in a long time that it's just like well this is going to be the thing that eventually gets Howard shot in the head and he does get shot in the head in those circumstances but the door buzzer is still very funny this is where I'm like people who say that this movie is like unbearably stressful I just have to disagree because the the valve is always open because of how funny this movie is I think the humor of this movie alleviates that stress so you have the scene where they're like screaming at each other through the door over this buzzer

that they can't get them in and it's just like it's the most maybe the most stressful scene in the movie and this is before the finale I mean the one where they're just like they can't break the buzzer

and he takes the hammer to it and it's just so funny throughout that I like I don't necessarily find it this stress bomb that everybody does I also like at the end of the movie again finding things that I like the you keep cutting back from the the glass box right everybody is there's no air everybody is locked in a whatever and then the opposite of that is

julia fox and her shoulder pads at mohegan sun and i'm like okay so like mohigan sun is like the pastoral like whatever like there's air there's whatever she can be outside she can see the sky. And it's just like, it's so funny that like the opposite of this is a casino, like a full-on casino. But it's like a casino that's in like the Connecticut countryside. So like I, I stayed at Foxwoods one time and the room was high enough so that you could see. And the thing about where Foxwoods and Mohican Sun are is they're in the middle of absolutely fucking nowhere. So like you look out and you just see trees and then another

casino and like that's what's there in that part of Connecticut. So I just thought that was kind of funny. Joe, this sounds like vacation. I mean, yes, it was. Like, do you want to go? Do you want to take a trip? Yeah, let's go. Let's stay at Foxwoods for a few days. Yeah, let's play some bets on basketball. Okay, all right, yes. Who's ready to play

some basketball? Rosen, I'm going to rely on you. What's the nature of the bet that ultimately hits? Is it like a stats bet? Is he needs Garnett to have a certain number of points plus like other. Yes. He needs, he needs them to win. He needs to win. He needs a tip and he needs garnet points and rebounds combined. Rebounds combined. Okay. So it's like 25 or whatever it is or 23, I think it is maybe and he has to get there. And it is like a pretty, when you think in hindsight, I'm like, that is a pretty good bet. It's hilarious that like he is, he is betting on the, like, he's betting on the tip though. Like, that is a, it's hilarious that like he is betting on the tip. The tip is. It's hilarious that like he is betting on the tip. The tip is. That's the craziest thing, the opening tip. He bets on the, if the opening tip doesn't go his way, he's lost it at the beginning,

which is like, that is the crazy part. Right. And then the rest is like, oh, I'm going to bet on the best player having a good game. The best player on a really good team is going to win and have good numbers, like, okay. But it is like that's what it is kind of the bet. And he's been trying to place that bet because in the beginning, like when he has that bet with Mike Francesa and then that Arnon like pulls the bed, which is kind of like a real fuck you because he's so thrilled. Because he thought he had won that bet. won that bet, right?

But then it wasn't a vet that got placed. So, like, what was that bet? That was Garnett points and rebound. He's like Celtics to win, Celtics half, like, got it. Points and rebounds or whatever. Got it. So these are all like fairly, again, with the exception of the opening tip, which is like a sickos bet.

Like that is, if you are placing anything but like, like ice cream money on, you know, the opening tip, you're absolutely insane. It's like people who bet on the coin toss in the Super Bowl. Chris File, like one of these days I'm going to like, one of these years I'm going to introduce you to the absolutely sicko world of Super Bowl prop bets because it's absolutely unwell. No, this is the thing. You need to, me,

to place those bets for you. Because I don't know shit about any of this. So, like, I am Phoebe Buffet. You're going to be, like, I'm just going to be like. Yeah, who wins the March Madness Pool by betting on, like, what mascots

she likes the best. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. That's me. Yeah. This also brings up a level that I cannot access this movie at. Because I feel like everyone has a great time when they watch this movie

being like, holy fucking shit, that's Kevin Garnett, and Kevin Garnett is in a lot of this movie. And for me, that's just a guy. That's just an actor. But even though you say that, as a physical presence, you have to admit,

this insanely tall man with, like crazy intense eyes is at the very least like a striking presence in this movie a striking presence who's giving a really good performance yeah he is he's a good actor I think he's really a good actor in this movie or at least he's like that's one things I think we've seen like your mileage may very jo on on Kevin O'Leary but I do think there while this is getting the schick of like this after these and clearly like Josh has this juice more than Benny though I think Ben he definitely did it with the casting of smashing machine too which I'm sure was

Jennifer Vendetti also who does all their movies is like he he is getting even though it's like a lot of stunt casting where you're like oh and able like whoever and Kevin O'Leary and Kevin O'Grannette he is getting like really good performances at a lot of these people in my estimation and I'm just like that is like while I do agree that I like I don't want the next Josh Safty movie to be like another Marty Supreme or Uncut Jams like it would be cool to see like what is what does he do next like what is his different thing like i mean like scorcese like going back to like the irishman like he does so many different he's always kind of trafficking in the same themes clearly but his movies are like pretty different i don't think he he obviously has made a lot of mafia movies but like

yeah there is a difference there a different flavor he's made different things and and still doing the things that the the themes that are important to him but within different type of genres so i'm like josh doing something else would be really great to me like in finding like i don't know anything else, but, like, here, I do think, like, Kevin Garnett is so good. He's just, like, really good. Did you see this thing here where, like, that halftime speech that Doc Rivers gives in the movie is, like, written and delivered specifically for the movie? That's crazy.

Pretty nuts. Who's this man we're talking about? He's the coach. At the end. At the time was the coach of the subject. Towards the end of the movie, he's, like, in the locker room, Kevin Garnett's, like, looking at the opal, and, like, you hear the coach giving his speech, and it was, like, a play like a written speech, not like

an actual speech that he did. Yeah. One of the things I think is interesting about the Softie Brothers, Josh in particular, because he's the one who's sort of succeeding this year with Marty Supreme and certainly seems like headed towards the best picture nomination, at least,

perhaps the best director nomination, is I think with these kind of like young hot directors and we can, you know, debate how young they are, but I do feel like they are probably coded pretty young in terms of, at the very least, in the kinds of movies that they've directed.

You're young until you're nominated. Well, but this is the thing is... And you're no longer young. With so many of these directors in maybe the last, I'll say, like, 20 years, the pattern seems to be that, like, you may have some early success. Paul Thomas Anderson gets a couple acting nominations

for Boogie Nights, gets writing nominations for that in Magnolia. Darren Aronovsky gets the Ellen Burstyn nomination for Requiem. Wes Anderson is nominated for writing for Royal Tendon bombs. And, you know, Dark Knight gets a bunch of nominations for Nolan. But they all have to essentially wait for their first Best Picture nomination. And it's usually they have to wait past some kind of stumble. And I don't think this is like conscious on anybody's part.

But like Paul Thomas Anderson sort of, you know, he has whatever, like Magnolia kind of for as much as it gets nominated, like kind of flops and then Punch Trunk Love doesn't get anything. Aronovsky has to go through like the whole rigmarole with the fountain. And what the hell does Fincher? Well, the game, I guess, doesn't do particularly well. But I think in general it's just like Fincher has to wait until Benjamin Button, Wes Anderson has to wait until Grand Budapest. Noland has to wait until Inception for a picture nomination and then Dunkirk for director nomination

and what I think is interesting about this in particular is Softie's not having to wait to see him stumble and recover from it, right? That he's just sort of like getting in on the up and up and up and up. And by that

we're getting a nomination for like him in his like most pure element. Because like Benjamin Button is like Fincher sort of like stepping out of his element a bit, right? And there will be blood is Paul Thomas Anderson sort of like leveling up significantly. I don't know where I'm sort of going with this beyond just like, it's striking to me. That softy is sort of being led in the club a little bit ahead of schedule, maybe.

I don't know about ahead of schedule because I do think in a lot of the examples you've mentioned. And you can even go further back and look at someone like Scorsese, that it's like it takes the entire critical establishment getting behind you in a certain way to establish you in that way with something like the academy because it was interesting in preparing for this episode seeing how uncut gems was even not a critical outsider. but it very much was like they had other people they were taking care of first. Whereas, you know, like I mentioned with Banderas, the critics groups were getting behind Banderas and not Sandler. And had he been winning Los Angeles film critics, had he been winning New York film critics, it would have helped establish Sandler, at least.

But like the safeties are like kind of happy to be winning whatever, they get. They get the New York Directors Prize this year. Yeah. But it does take kind of a ground swell in that way that I think for, in our use of young directors here, to make that happen. Yeah. I suppose that's right. I don't know. Rosen, do you, am I, am I? I mean, I think no, I thought you were, I think there is something to that. I guess I would, like, I was thinking Scorsese too because I guess what was his first directing nomination was taxi driver is that right like no that's a picture nominee not director and then raging bull then right was his first I think so like those are like so like if we're assuming like I don't think like we're like kind

of dream casting here I don't think Josh Safdi is going to get a directing nomination for Marty Supreme though I guess he could he's kind of in the on that cusp of like five six seven yeah he's definitely it wouldn't be crazy if he got in but I'm not like expecting it but I obviously I think we all expect it to get in for picture. Yeah. And that would be like, this would be like Magnolia getting in or whatever. And I guess like it's hard to like now with the, I, it's interesting as I'm like I was going to say like, oh, it's an expanded field. But I actually think Marty Supreme maybe is like a top five.

So yeah, I think it would probably, yeah, be online to get in for five. My guess is that box office is going to be absolutely pushing it towards that top five. So in that regard, I do think it's like, like, I do think it's interesting that he's getting in like. early-ish or also getting in on a movie that like it's clearly like not astray right like this is like there are elements of marty supreme that i like i said i think that it is like the more palatable version of this because you have sandler is like like like we're saying like Howard is just such a fuck up and like obviously like in the throes of gambling addiction it never makes a right choice and refuses to kind of change and then marty in the movie is is so arrogant but has such like a

there's like a naivete a little bit or like a own belief in himself that he has that I find, like, really kind of like, I don't know if honorable's right word, but it's just like, you're really, I did not find him as incredibly abrasive as certainly like Howard, like, Shalamee in the movie. I think you're like kind of rooting for him to make his way through it. You're rooting for him almost in spite of yourself in that movie, which I think is a big part of that movie's appeal. And also that movie's kind of selling point, which is, wouldn't it be fun to root for this guy, even though you maybe shouldn't like that part of a thing.

Marty also has the thing of he's young. Right. So you feel like he can grow up past all this bullshit. Whereas Howard is like, you're set in stone, man, you're fucked. Like, you know, you're going to be this guy until the day you die, which maybe at the start of the movie we think is going to be much further in time than it ultimately is. Although they find those fucking polyps in his colon at the very beginning. So who knows what waited down the road for him. It's true.

That's very, very true. Do we think that, okay, I just want to talk about, like, we're all kind of like, yeah, we don't think Joe Softie's getting nominated for Best Director. We're not banking on it. Is that because the Softies make these, like, star vehicles where even there are these kind of big directorial swings, you have the star of these movies out in front. uh kind of taking up the oxygen is that why we're not predicting joss softy this year for me part part of the reason is i guess like yes plus i just that branch is so finicky and they're so like insular that i'm like they don't really usually like he is a young like they like that's like a pay your dues branch and like they're going to penalize him because he's like

a new kid on the block maybe even though he's not obviously like were saying they made like tons of movies and like he's not that young right like um they've always been a more global branch and that's the other thing right and there's so many our national directors who could maybe get in ahead of him i i don't know like that's what's well rosin you're riding you're flying the banner for oliver lax right now which i find i would love for him to get i don't even i don't even i don't i'm chris we sat next to each other rosen and i saw that movie together we had uh we had our lives rocked by that i was like i'm like trying to figure i think it's actually easier. I'm actually now at the point where I think it's easier for Surrott to get in for

picture instead of Loxford director because like it's hard to fill out that 10 and it's like and five five is a tough nut to crack. And like if there's 10 movies and like, you know, like I don't know, I don't think Wicked is that popular and certainly. That's the thing. If your competition is Wicked might not get the best picture nomination, man, which I'm like, I don't think that maybe you'll get a best picture nomination. And then you're like, Bagonia feels like it's kind of dead. So I'm like, why wouldn't Sarat, which clearly had some, at least industry, like, in the academy, like they made so many short lists, which doesn't really add up to anything,

but at least it shows that people are liking it. It's very clear that both the respect and the curiosity are high, whereas that's probably not true for a wicked. And so, like, that, I think he could get in because it's, like, very... But then I'm like, how many, like, I feel... We obviously, like, would say, like, PTA is very safe, right, for Best Director, and Chloe Zhao, and Ryan Coogler, I think, is probably safe, too, at this point. Is this going to be a 2012 thing, though, where Chloe Jow is not as safe as we think it is with that.

It's like someone who's won before. And maybe people don't love the movie as much as like they kind of have said or I don't know. So if she misses, I do think like like. It's so tough to get a bead on what the people who matter think about Hamnet. And when I say matter, I mean matter in regards to the Oscars. I'm not trying to say that people who don't like Hamlet don't matter. No, no, I know what you mean. But I feel like there's this, you know, this streak of sort of sourness.

to that movie that has existed from almost the very beginning to trying to figure out where that streak resides and whether it resides within you know people who have votes and or not is has been a challenge so if she misses like i think yermo del toro is actually like pretty set even if you don't like the movie just because like you don't think so well i like i like yermo as a person but i do not want to see him get nominated i think he could get nominated because i think you're right no i absolutely think they all like him in that branch so i'm like if he's in And, like, maybe Chloe misses Oliver Lash. I think Javar Panahi still feels, like, really possible to me, even though I've seen, like,

I'm worried about that movie. I think that movie's a masterpiece, but I, I'm getting to be a little worried about that movie's position. Maybe it's, like, people taking it for granted, and it's in a miss. I think there's a little bit, there's, but also, I'm going to worry about a movie, like, it was just an accident. Like, I, like, that's a movie I'm going to worry about, and maybe that's just sort of like me being fretful. I was less I feel like Yoquim Trier

is I've always been sort of like soft on his chances since maybe like the fall I'm 100% in agreement because of what the movie is yeah I think people have been sort of like ever since

ever since we got past the festivals and even at the festivals I expected that thing to be a bigger deal at Toronto I expected that thing to be a bigger deal through the problem with Toronto

was it played the first Two days of the festival. Right. But we have seen with other can carryovers, like Parasite made a much bigger impression at Toronto than Sentimental Valley. It played later, though, and then they kept adding screenings for it. Well, I mean, but I saw Parasite the very first day of that TIF. Like, it was still in like that can catch-up day of, like, that very first day of screening. But then when it played for the public, it played later.

Okay. I feel like he's in a miss, like, Alexander Payne. missed, right? And, like, Noah Bomback this year for Marriage Story, the one we're talking about, like, 20, 20, 20, 20 Oscars. Yeah. Just is, like, this type of movie where even if it's going to do well, I think sentimental value will get, like, Best Picture, and, like,

Stellan Scarsgar could win, right? Obviously, and we're talking, like, maybe double-supporting actors' nominees and all these things, like, the director is just not going to come along. Man, like... I'm going to be way more anxious about Best Director on Oscar nomination morning than I am going to be about

that picture. Yeah. Noah Bomback should have gotten that nomination for Marriage Story. I'm going to be pissed about that. This is the problem with this year. I mean, I don't think, like, Uncut Gems, I don't think was ever going to make a lot of noise with these Oscars. But, like, this is just too good of a year. And, like, you know, like even... But Todd Phillips didn't need that.

Didn't need that. But, I mean, like, it's too why people liked it, I think. I don't know. I think that movie is, like, fine. I don't think it's that bad. But, like, I do think, like... And I like, I like 1917 more than most people. And even I'm like, Sam Mendez has had his flowers.

I mean, in hindsight, we could, like, re-reforter that. Absolutely. Absolutely. No, it is a tough time. But like that's, so Josh, the long way around is saying Josh could definitely get in. And like if the movie goes really well and it peaks at the right time, it's a bad comp because like James Mangold is more like Del Toro, frankly. But like James Mangold getting in for a complete unknown is like the end of the comp where it's just like, oh, like no one expected that. And then he got in. But there are obviously different types of filmmakers to round it around to, to round it around to bring it around to the other softie who directed the movie we're talking about um oh that's true we are we are kind of ignoring this all to josh yeah that's not well but it is it is the case that like when everybody said this will be this year will be a good indicator of which softy has which you know directorial impulses and i feel like the through line from uncut gems to marty supreme is a lot clearer than the through line from uncut gems to smashing machine which i really don't i don't know about you guys i really don't like smashing machine.

No, it's a bad movie. I think that's a movie that really hates the people that it's depicting, and that makes the movie, again, to use the same word, unpalatable. And again, that movie hates those people. And which makes it hilarious that at the end, they show the photos of the real people, which I think is so funny, because it's just like, oh, these people that you have showed us being, like, complete and utter messes, this Emily Blunt character who, like, you have depicted as, like, the worst woman who has ever existed.

in life. Like, here she is, in real life. And I don't, I don't know. I find the smashing machine. I know that there's a lot of smart people who are at the complete opposite end of the spectrum of this movie, but I find that movie to be entirely ungenerous to the people it's depicting. I also find it incredible, for as much as, like, the frenetic style that's there and clearly

like they're even it just is so absolutely boring it is like smashing machine i agree with that yes holy cow i just found it like such an impossible sit i don't know the the storytelling of the movie like for this like i mean like you're saying like what is howard's like whole reason of being is like just to win basically right but even that has more of a i feel like this move uncut gems has more of a hang a thread to hang on than like oh yeah machine which i'm like i don't even know what what am I'm rooting for? What is the story about? Like, who cares about what's happening?

Like, are we supposed to, who are we rooting for? In that way, it's very Ella McKay-esque, where it's just like, what is the story? What is the narrative here? What am I, what am I? Well, Mark Kerr does win the title in the state that he was born in, which is space. The state that you were. Ella McKay's elected governor of space. that's around the neck of the ant is it a cat in uh in a men in black right isn't it

is that where ell is that universe the universe yeah there was that moment in smashing machine where mark car does lift up his foot to like take something off of the bottom of his uh pull some tape off in the bottom of his how crazy is it that that is not a shot in the movie i know i know um i guess my my tie to this was that as much as i i I think I will buy that Guillermo del Toro is not going to get nominated for director on Oscar morning. I will believe that The Rock is not getting Oscar nominated until he is not nominated. I do feel like that is a surprise lurking in the weeds. Both of those are surprises that could just, they're not out of the realm of.

possibility until it just doesn't happen. You know what? You know that line and nope where Daniel Kaluya's like what's a bad miracle? Like that's Dwayne the Rock Johnson getting nominated for smashing machine. We're like really again like we don't know what the industry really thinks about all of

these categories and it's like we're banking on Ethan Hawke getting in presumably right of you guys. I mean like I have like the top I would like love it certainly. It feels like it's Leo and Timothy Salomey right and then like Michael B. Jordan probably though he could get Marco Mora probably and Wagner Mora probably and then like Ethan Hawk, that's what most people have. And like, I would buy Ethan Hawke because it's a Sony classics movie and they've obviously done such a great job of getting actors and including this very year, right, with Antonio Banderas. But I'm also like, man, are people actually watching that movie? And I'm actually, you know, like the difference. Are we not in the phase of the year that is most attuned to a movie like Blue Moon, which is the critics like and us, people like us phase of the year? And then I'm like, Like, you know, with those other ones, Sony does a great job of getting visibility, but they're really great at getting international actors in, right? And I'm like it is a little, like this is not an, I don't feel like the story of Lorenz Hart is an internet, is going to travel overseas to me personally.

It's closer to a Bill Nye for living. Kind of. Yes. Right. It is, that would be the comp, but I'm like, even living is like, or like Penelope Cruz or whatever, right? But I'm like, it does feel like that is the hope. But I'm like living was really made like, really kind of like, I liked it. but it's like a real down the middle, like, you know, kind of like classic Oscar role.

And Blue Moon is a little more acerbic? So I'm like, is it going to get in? I have Ethan Hawk getting in. But I'm just saying, like, if you told me Duane Johnson got in, like you're saying, I guess I wouldn't be that shot. I'm not. I mostly agree with you there and that like I've got Ethan Hawk in the fifth slot, but I'm like, my hands are shaking as I write that name. The absolute hardest working campaign this season is the smashing machine. They're everywhere.

They've never stopped. They've never stopped. And the thing that I've mentioned on this podcast before is Emily Blunt got that surprise Golden Globe nomination, and we haven't even gotten to the precursor award that is most, like, that is most attuned to surprise Emily Blunt nominations. Emily Blunt's going to be SAG nominated.

She's definitely going to get nominated for SAG. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, is she going to get into the Oscars? I mean, she could. That's another category where it's like. She could. There's a lot of movies with two contenders who are, like, battling each other out.

They could be the Jeremy Strong and Sebastian Stan of this year, basically. Was it you guys? Was it you and Katie who brought up the thing of like, are we being too blithely comfortable with the idea of Amy Madigan getting nominated for weapons? I don't know if we did, but I didn't think that this weekend. I was like, I wish I had never heard that. For hustlers, another great movie from this year. Yes, somebody made that exact comparison. I mean, that's what it would be.

Somebody did. If you're the person in my life who made that comparison, know that I, I've been cursing you for about five days now. I think the weapons getting on the casting shortlist like bodes well for it, but missing makeup shortlist felt like a real obvious makeup, not like contender and that it missed. I was like,

that's bad. But Hustlers wouldn't have gotten. Pushing weapons for an original screenplay nomination. Because if it was showing up on original screenplay ballots, I would be like Amy Madigan's happening. Because this is one of those years where the screenplay balance is very, very, very heavily original. Like,

an adapted screenplay, it would have a really, really good chance. As it stands, adapted, like, what is, is it, is it, is Bagonia adapted? Is that the one? It is adapted. Yeah, where people are, like, basically, like, that movie's solidly safe, and that would not be the case, uh, if it was original, so, um, I love talking about this Oscar from her, I literally, listener, if you can't tell where, this is our final episode of 2025, we're in this position where we are just ready to unpack things.

I'm sure you want us to be talking more about the jams, but you also want to, listen, our listeners want to hear whatever. Okay, okay. I'm going to stick a pin in the National Border Review then and, like, bring it back to the movie. Chris. Okay, Sandler winning movies for grownups and National Board of Review. And Independent Spirit Award. Fartiest Critics Prize that matters, National Border Review.

It is so funny that those are the two things he wins. He went into spirit, too, but, like, at that point, that was going to happen. And that Uncut Gems also shows up on their top 10 list. Like, that's the other thing is their top 10 list. Like, the outlier. Compared to this year's National Border Review. Going back through the years and picking out the outliers from various NBR top tens is very fun. Because sometimes you'll get, like, a bucket list.

And sometimes you'll get, just like this particular year, 2019, you get uncut gems, you get waves. aforementioned waves, Richard Jewell, Dolomite is my name, which is a rad nomination, and that movie should have gotten more attention. And, like, you know, I guess Knives Out is also, like, a little bit of an outlier, and that, like, it wasn't really showing up in Best Picture Races anywhere. And then it's just, like, the most normie, like, Irishman, 1917, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, Marriage Story, Ford v. Ferrari, Jojo Rabbit. And just, what a...

And fun. Everybody's favorite movie, Fwon. Chris has been pushing the F-1 as one line. I finally saw that. Did I tell you? I finally saw that last weekend. It's fine. It's fine.

Brad Pitt, unfortunately, is so fucking hot in that movie. Like, I really can't stand it. What if Carrie Condon got one of these supporting actress wins? Anyway, any critics group,

she's so good at me. She's really good at me. You really just love her in that movie. Oh my God. She's so good. Her chemistry with him is off the charts. I was like, oh, she's really,

really good. To the point where I was like, it's too bad they're not going to together because like that doesn't happen in movies anymore. And then they get together and I'm just like, oh, we're doing this thing again. We could, if we want to talk about fun, I don't think it's going to like, it'll do well, I think maybe below the line. It's going to be the Nosferatu of this year. I think it's going to get like four nominations in all craft categories. I think it would have been a much better movie if it was just that like, like Tom Cruise, like it's Topcoma Maverick

obviously, right? It's so Tom Cruise coded. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like at the end of Topcoma Maverick wins, right? But, like, Miles Teller is a great foil for him. I think he's really great. And I just don't think the Damson-Iger's character is really strong, nor his performance is good. You could feel like they cut it up to give Radmore to do and, like, take more away from Damson images.

And I think if it was a little more like Miles Teller and Top Gun Maverick, it would have been a better movie. Joseph Kaczynski said, I'll be damned if I don't end this movie with the two characters staring at each other from a distance, nodding at each other and being like, I respect you. Yep, yeah. I was thinking, like, so Sandler winning MBR, which is pretty nuts. Because if you look at their winners, so it, they always- Zellweger, Pitt, like, yeah.

But I do think, like, they have, like, a weird, three's a trend, I guess, right? So, like, the third is actually Daniel Craig for queer. But, like, from 2014, they have Oscar Isaac ties with Michael Keaton for Birdman. So I have most violent year. Right, which is A-24. And then Keaton, obviously, tied. And then Matt Damon for Martian, Casey Affleck for Manchester, Tom Hanks for The Post, which is LOL, Vigo Mortensen for Green Book. Tom Hanks, Rules of the Post.

I know, he's great. Oh, no, I think he's winning best actor. How does he win for this movie? Yeah. And then, and then, obviously, like, Daniel Craig for queer. So I guess they do like these, like, weirder A-24 movies sometimes. Kidman for, they like big, they like big-name actors. Yes, yes.

Kidman last year for Baby Girl. You know what I mean? Another one. Yeah. So that's what this is. So it's, kind of like, a red herring, I guess, in terms of, like, where he's going to go, obviously. I should also mention the Saftees won

and Ronald Bronstein, also one for original screenplay at the NBR. NBR fucking loved Uncut Jams. Ronald Bronstine is actually maybe you could argue the the secret sauce. Not somebody I saw it.

He's a little bit of the secret sauce, but he's certainly like, you like the connectivity between uncut gems, good time and Marty Supreme is Ronald Bronstein versus like Benny not having Ronald Bronstein for Smashing Machine. And I wonder how that move.

movie would have differed if Ronald Bronson was more heavily involved in it. But I do think, like, like, I think the antagonistic nature of these movies comes from, like, Ronald Bronson, like, pushing on Josh and Benny. Now, you want to talk about stress. Yes. Ronald Bronstine writes Uncut Jems and also Marty Supreme. And then Mary Bronstine parks her camera about an inch below Roseburn's eye socket and is like, go. And, and, and, Yeah, if I had legs, I'd kick you, like, is shot with constant fog on the screen from Roseburn's nostrils. Like, yeah, I fucking love that movie. Is Rose Byrne Sandler, though?

I think she's going to get in, but what if she doesn't? What if she's Sandler? But see, this is what I mean. Rose Byrne has, like, the critical establishment rallying behind her in a way that they did not have for Sandler. I guess my argument would be, like, different, like, there was less, there's less choices this year for the critical community, I would argue, in terms of best actress, because I don't think you're going to line up for, like, Jesse Buckley, who feels, like, obvious

and, like, also... That's the thing. It makes total sense that Roseburn is the consensus choice among critics. And we saw last year, like, everything's so diffuse, right? Like, she kind of, like, blew through and then still missed. And I think it's, like, a more palatable... I actually do think, like, if I had legs is a more palatable movie

than, and then Hart Truths in a lot of ways. But I do wonder if, like, she's going to end up missing. The one reason I would say she won't is because I think that category is, incredibly like soft. Yeah, I think if I had legs on maybe some infinitesimal level

asks the audience to have sympathy for its character in a way that like Hard Truths does but like it makes you work for it because like her character is so just acerbic for so long. I think Hard Truths is also

allegorical in a way that if I had legs is not and like you can actually hang on that story in that way whereas like hard truths is like a movie about like where we're at today if i had likes isn't allegorical it's what if we literalized all of the like things that you think you're feeling in terms of just like what if we made this daughter like is she dying is she sick what's going on maybe you don't ever see her. Maybe, you know, maybe the ceiling is falling or maybe not, like that kind of a thing. Also, A-24, no disrespect to my good friends at Bleaker Street, but A-24 is maybe a little more

adapted getting actors in and Leaker Street. A little more fluid financially. Yeah. The Ron Bronstein of the Safdi filmography, though, I've never, I haven't seen Daddy Long Legs. I should catch up to Daddy Long Legs before I feel so definitively about the Saftees, but Uh, he's also the lead of that movie, right? Mm-hmm. I think.

Chris Fyle, where did you come down on Good Time? Because I know you didn't care for Heaven Knows What, right? I feel like I like Good Time more than I like Heaven Knows What. Those are both movies I respect while I do not like those movies. Yeah. Good Time is very, for a... a dollar name a woman not to

you know Jennifer Jason Lee's in that movie but it's true though it is yeah I like good time

though I think it's pretty good um Bemi Softie playing developmental disabilities is not my favorite I'll say that

it's amazing that he's he did that and we're in this era now where obviously that is super uncool to do and no one really complains about it it seems like at least

I don't see especially good times biggest fans have absolutely nothing to say about that um i i wonder like i would like he is obviously that's the other thing in terms of them directing like i i don't know i i feel like obviously benny does want to be an actor right like he is yeah only in on the acting thing and so like that maybe forges he's big helmet dude in the in the i didn't even realize that until i saw somebody say that and i was like wow he's so big he's a big man you need You need a big helmet for a cranium that size. You will have that helmet until they invent a bigger helmet.

The thing about Good Time, though, is that's another movie that casts this, you know, big deal actor. Like, even as much as, like, Pattinson, the level of Patinson's fame is always very interesting to me, because I think there's a temptation to be like, ah, it's just the you film nerds who like him. It's like, well, he was in Twilight, which was the... this, like, huge giant crossover thing. He is, like, somebody who, like, everybody who has watched the Harry Potter movies, at least, like, who knows his face. And yet, also, he's kind of retreated into this, like, only real ones, you know, really what I'm.

I'll be in the Batman movie, but I'll, like, I'll have my face covered for, you know. Oh, I love Pattinson, too. I would lay on the tracks for Pattinson. I love you. Like, what you're saying, like, they do, like, the cheat code for them to make these movies is clearly, like, they're doing, like, kind of, like, Tarantino, I guess, did this, right? like a lot. We're just like, I'm going to cast like Brad Pitt in my movie and just be like, we'll be able to make it and make it for whatever amount of money. And it's clearly,

Saftey's doing that. Like you could go, like we're saying, like Sandler, obviously Timothy Chalamey and Pattinson are all huge stars. So it just is like, oh, we'll be able to make these movies by making them star vehicles to go to your point earlier. And then just being like how much of that then do they get credit for the movies themselves? Because it is like a star turn more than like a movie kind of thing. But right. It isn't. Interesting. It is interesting. Can we talk about some of the other best actor outliers this year?

Yes. Let's do that. So your nominees that year, just to sort of like orient everybody. This is the year that Joaquin Phoenix wins for Joker. Antonio Banderas, as we have mentioned, was nominated for Pain and Glory, Leonardo DiCaprio for Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, Adam Driver for Marriage Story, and then Jonathan Price for the two popes. What if there were?

I'm voting for Banderas who's everyone else I mean I love Banderas I love DiCaprio and once upon a time in Hollywood It's maybe my favorite Decaprio performance It maybe is my favorite

Decappro performance too And then Driver I think is astoundingly good in Marriage Story Like he's maybe my vote I think he would be my vote also I really love Marriage Story I think it's like maybe Noah Bomback's best movie and I think he's

Driver is so good in the movie And like I don't think he'll ever be As like this again As a crazy year like Joaquin Phoenix winning for Joker I'm not the biggest I guess my hottest take is like I don't really love Joaquin Phoenix I've just like no I've you and Joe are there with you I've kind of historically find really exhausting tiring I would say the only movie I've actually liked him in recently is like come on come on same so like that's the level so that's like the vet level of

Joaquin I'm in on and I'm like yeah yeah oh my god he's just exhausting and so like this joker win even though I don't think the movie is that bad I'm just like go away please go away and like marriage story Adam Driver just great I think he could win in him probably never I don't know he's it he's going on with that guy what is going on with that guy I do not know what is going like is he ever going to make like he's got a James Gray movie coming another one of those like maybe that'll yeah he's got a few things according to Wikipedia he's got a few things in the TBA territory he's got the James Gray movie which I believe is called Paper Tiger which is him and Scarjo together again and then there is some

something. Oh, this Chris Rock movie that I am endlessly fascinated. Why? Oh, boy. Chris Rock, writing, directing, and starring, along with Adam Driver, Daniel Kaluya, Anna Kendrick. Okay. And it's A-24. I'm very pro top five. Yeah, me too. I like top five a lot, but, uh, I don't know, man. But it's 824. So like, I don't, and then, um, he's going to be in the upcoming Ron Hous. Howard movie Alone at Dawn

which is him Anne Hathaway Betty Gilpin which is Amazon MGM Studios I want the

world for Betty I mean I want the world for all of those people Betty Gilpin and Hathaway

Adam Driver yes please so how do we think go ahead Joe

sorry well I was going to say this is a it's a war movie and I

believe it's Gulf War no Vietnam something no sorry, I'm trying to look at it's based on a true story and oh it's

Afghanistan war, sorry so Ron Howard, did we all see Eden by the way? I know. I demand the two of you when you do see this movie text me I need all your honor to Arama's thoughts I feel like I'll probably enjoy it

I think you will too. It is such a sicko like I'm going to have a sicko take on that movie I saw it, I'm like, well, that's a bad movie. And I really have kept thinking about it ever since. So there's some... 2019 Best Actor, though. Who was in sixth place?

I have a very... I have a strong opinion of who was sixth place. So your outliers were folks like... De Niro's Critics Choice nominated. Got it. Eddie Murphy is Globe and Critics Choice nominated. Taryn Edgerton is Sagan Globe nominated. Christian Bale.

Daniel Craig, and then Roman Griffin Davies for Jojo Rabbit, are Globe nominated, and then anybody else in the ether. I'm going to say, if I'm just going to throw a guess out there, I am always surprised to learn that Christian Bail wasn't nominated for Ford v. Ferrari, considering the other Christian Bail nominations. Right. This feels very much like, oh, yeah, just throw them in for American Hustle. We're going to nominate that movie anyway.

This is the type of thing that, like, this is why this show, why we do this show, because people forget the actual temperature in the room at some of these times, and we are people who can never let anything go. At the time, I think Terran Edgerton was sixth place. Okay. I was going to say Terran also. So I'm with Chris on that. I think that in another year, this is, again, a very big. busy year. I think in another year, Terran would have been an absolute slam dunk, like for their fifth nominee, my opinion. And then we know they love the biopics. I think he got

obviously hurt by coming so soon after just an awful Bohemian Rhapsody win, just one of the most egregious, I would say, best actor wins we've ever had for Rami Malick. Agreed. Did I send you either one of you, the Getty image shot of Ian McKellen and Terran Edgerton recently at a red carpet for, I want to say, did O'Mary recently premiere in London? Yes. Okay, so it was that. And it's captioned Ian McKellen and a friend at the London premiere of O'Mary. And I'm like, oh, Terran.

Like, this is tough. Can I talk about my favorite scene in this movie? Sure, yes. It's the scene of Adam Sandler and Julia Fox sobbing at each other. where he's like, I'm so fucked up. And she's like, yeah, I'm pretty confused too. It's so funny. It is so funny.

It makes me like Julia Fox. Here's my theory. Okay. Here's my theory on Julia Fox because I also liked. I remember after seeing this movie, but like, I understand. I get why people really like her. And then I saw her in that Soderberg movie. And she was so bad.

And then I remember. She's in one scene. to be fair. And she's so bad at it. She's so bad at it. And then I'm like, the more you've seen, then she became sort of like this red carpet presence and she was famous for being famous and all this sort of stuff. And I'm like, was she more impressive in Uncut Gems before we knew that this is just sort of

like how she is? I think the success of Uncut Gems had a snowball effect. Okay. You think that's the chicken. Listeners can get mad at me. I think Julia Fox is grifter culture. Oh, she absolutely is grifter culture. Yeah.

She's great in this movie, though. I do not take this performance away from her. She's really funny in this performance. The scene when she's walking back to the club after she fights with him on the street, and it's just so good. And I love that the movie gives time. There's really no reason for that to be in the movie, really?

Because you're not even with her character. Like, she's not like in just watching her walk back and curse out the girls who are like, Like, making fun of her, I was just like, oh, man, she's so, she's just so good in that scene. I think she's really good in it, yeah, she is. She probably should have been in Hustlers, right? Like, with that kind of attude. Like, I feel like she would have been a really good value add to Hustlers.

She would have been a really good value at the Hustlers. I agree. Not that I would take it even out of that movie. I mean, Hustlers is a fantastic movie. Hustlers, and happening concurrently with Uncuch-M's. What a time. We were so lucky to be alive in 2019. We didn't know how good we had it.

We did not know how good we had it. And God was like, you thought. Hustlers is a $100 million movie. And Lorraine Scafaria has still not been able to direct another movie. Doing CV. She did a succession. And I love L.A. She did the pilot, I think.

Emmy nominee? Yep. But she's great. I wish you did more. Come back to movies. Please. Come back to movies. Yeah.

While we still have them, Lorraine, come back to movies. What else do we have on Uncut Champs? Well, what else did I want to talk about? I brought up NBR. I brought up... It's a best feature nominee at the Independent Spirit Awards, along with Marriage Story. Again, we can talk about

whether Netflix belongs at the Independent Spirit Awards. The aforementioned A Hidden Life, Malax, a Hidden Life. Clemency, the movie that I saw barely alive at Tiff. With me. The last night at Tiff, at like 9.30 in the evening, this thing started.

And I remember walking out of that movie, and I quite like that movie and Elfrey Woodard's phenomenal in that movie. But I remember walking out of that movie and, like, dragging myself to make it back to our Airbnb. Yeah, we were both dead. I'm so tired. I'm just so tired. And then the farewell wins best feature, which I think there was a moment early on that

year where I was like, oh, the farewell is going to be like the indie. the plucky indie can do movie of this year's award season. And it just lost steam somewhere during the like festival season because it was already, obviously it's not going to be part of the festival season that already opened. And everybody just kind of forgot about it. This was a very like late year coded kind of a year where almost everything in the best picture field was a fall festival movie or later. And then also those movies that like we always say like there's always going to be like one or two movies right that are going to be December and if they don't hit then there's room right and they hit right they hit like 1917 and little women are both here and if they would have flopped they're like not been as good I mean I don't love 1917 but obviously I can't deny that it obviously it hit it hit yeah little women is unimpeachably a masterpiece but and was Jojo Rabbit December 2 is that earlier in the fall well that was a TIF movie I guess it came out in October okay that that that was that

won TIF people's choice. It did win an Oscar. And I remember being in that premiere, and I was a little surprised when it won that people's choice, because you could feel the audience, you could feel it lose the audience in that premiere. Like, you could feel the oxygen in that room slowly. Is that one of those movies that sort of lent credence to this idea that, like, you have to be a TIF premiere to win people's choice?

because, like, Parasite was definitely the movie that everybody was talking about at that festival. Absolutely. I mean, unquestionably. And then Jojo Rabbit wins, people's choice. I guess now this year sort of puts a lie to that theory because Hamnet won and was not a TIF premiere. Belfast, too. Oh, right. But, I mean, that's what...

COVID, yeah. COVID, yeah, like, there were those two TIF, COVID-TIFs that just really don't count. Jojo Rabbit to me is like, and I think, you guys, I don't think either one. You like this movie, and I would actually say it's probably better than Jojo Rabbit, but, I mean, like, rental family is this coded to me. Oh, wow, that's interesting. And, like, if this, it's funny to imagine, like, if it was rental family came out, even in 2019, I think it would be, like a Best Picture nominee. Oh, definitely. Definitely.

And, like, it's just funny that we've come. I'm still kind of surprised rental family isn't in the best picture race this year. Completely. I mean, comparatively to other movies, it's made money. like it's... Yes. And as much as any other, like, yeah, it's made like $9 million. Yeah.

Yeah. Which is competitive this year among that middle class of movies. But yeah, I mean, for as much as I didn't like it, I'm surprised that it hasn't caught on with some demographic in the academy. Let me as you in Hollywood. You guys think, like, so we're talking about like, obviously uncut gems, based on how we've seen like a norm... Like, would uncutcheams fare better if it came out this year? If it was this year... Unquestionably.

Like, you'd get in and, like, it would get in for best picture and everything. I think, I mean, far, like, I don't want to, like, over-pathologize the public post-COVID. But, like, I do feel like we're all a little bit more attuned to something like uncut gems after the pandemic. We're all just, like, we're so desperate for something to, like, jar, you know, to jar loose this, you know. We're also desperate for comedies, and Uncut Jems is a comedy. I don't know. It's very funny. I mean, if Inora won, I would say, like we said, I think Anora is, there are more people

you're rooting for, but I mean, if Anora could win Best Picture, I don't think Uncut Jems would win, but I do think it would get nominated and Sandler would probably get, I agree. And I think by that same token, I think Anora would have had a lot harder time getting nominated in 2019. It's hard to do you, like, Sandler this year is don't you kind of feel like everybody in talking about his chances just kind of wishes that it was like an uncut job? Gems type situation. I love Sandler and J. Kelly.

I will say that. But here's what I want to talk about the Sandler and J. Kelly thing is because obviously Uncut Gems was when the, is Sandler ever going to get an Oscar or an Oscar nomination even? Conversation really like solidified. It had been around in the ether for a while. But like this was at a moment where even like the, even like the, even. like the kinds of like dumb comedies that he was churning out people were becoming more sort of charmed by there was a real sort of like pro sandman movement sort of happening among at the very

least like film culture and uncut gems happens and there's a huge you know sort of ground swell for him doesn't get nominated and then i think the conversation with sandler he's kind of like the male amy adams and this is just like when is he getting in an Oscar. And so you look at something. There's also at the time of Uncut Gems, he's in the murk of all of his Netflix movies, right? And I don't mean the J. Kelly Meyerowitz Netflix movies.

No, but like people really stick up for a movie like Sandy Wexler, which I will never understand it, but like people really do like ride for that movie. And so you go into Jay Kelly and I think like those like year ahead things, people were like, ah, is this the Sandler nominee? He was so good. He did the thing, the bit last ceremony with Chalomey, I was like, this is it. He's winning an Oscar.

Yeah, I thought he would win too. And I think, go ahead, Joe, we were going to say. Well, the, so the, I think once upon a time, the conception was, like, how do you get somebody like that who there's, you know, this sort of long anticipation for it? How do you get someone like that in Oscar? How do you get Christopher Plummer in Oscar? It's you get him a peachy supporting role. and they go up against, you know, character actors and sort of like smaller actors, and it's an easier path to victory, and they get a victory there.

And I think one of the things that I'm seeing with Adam Sandler and Jay Kelly is, I think he would have a much easier time getting an Oscar with something that he's the lead in, where he becomes this, like, undeniable, like, lead performance that everybody's just like, this is, you know, incredible. It's hard. For as much as you people like Sandler and Jay Kelly, I don't think anybody comes out of that movie and being like, Sandler's undeniable. Like, we got to, like, throw a statue at him for this movie. I mean, my feeling coming out of that movie was like, why is Sandler's character not the protagonist? Because, like, kind of the point of the movie is how the sandlers of the world enable the J. Kelly's of the world.

That was, like, the main, like, point of that movie to me. I don't think the movie, I think you're exactly right. Like, I don't think, I think the movie's totally fine, but I don't think it really works because you're not, you're more invested in the Sandler character, you should be. And, like, it's funny to me looking at the marketing, like, one of the first, like, I'm looking at, like, on Letterboxes, the poster is, like, Sandler in the front and then Clooney. And then, like, there's another poster that's just Sandler as, like, I mean, Netflix really is trying to do what you're saying, which is, like, kind of, like, make it feel like it is

Sandler's movie, even though it's obviously the Clooney movie, but... It either needs to be Sandler's movie, or he needs to, like, be in it a lot less and maybe not played by Adam Sandler, because that character, he takes up too much oxygen in that movie for the movie to be Jay Kelly's movie. You know what I mean? Like, that character pulls too much focus, and I just feel like a supporting actor nomination is just not where it's going to happen for Sandler. I think if he's going to win an Oscar, It's going to be in a lead role, and it's going to be maybe not something quite so confrontational as uncut gems. But, like, it's going to be something where he's going to step out of, like, sort of similarly step out of his persona and really just sort of like, or lean, I mean, it could be a lean in thing, too.

It could be a punch drunk love kind of thing where he like, really, and everybody's like, well, this is what his entire career was leading up to, was this role. Go back to working with Paul Thomas Anderson. I mean, it could be that or even like Bombag. I don't have been able to Bobback just wrote him a better movie, you know, kind of like, or I mean, like, there's, because he's so good in my, I mean, he's better in Myroitz to me. Every time I find people who love Meyerowitz as much as I do, I get, and I feel like it's more and more where I feel like people are really coming around. It's so good. It's so good. Francis Howe will always be my favorite Bomb Back, even though I do sort of like credit that as much to Greta as I do to Bomback.

But like, yeah. Myrowitz is so up there. for me. I'm so surprised to seem to seemingly like Jay Kelly more than most people. I'm not like putting it on my top movies of the year. But like I'm also a little surprised at the like

outright hostility towards that movie I've seen in some people because like I don't I don't think it fully works. I understand the complaints that people have but like I just see a lot of people finding this movie to be emblematic

of like not just like not good story stuff but like emblematic of bad things that they hate of the industry and I just kind of think it is a I think

it's a passable movie in a way that I don't understand this movie getting that much higher I think when you get a movie that is so very much pitched towards the heart of Hollywood types and it doesn't work for people. I think it's very easy for those people to then just be like, okay, like Hollywood's jerking

itself off here with another movie about how great movie stars are and, you know, yet yet. I also feel like Noah Bomback, if Noah Bomback movie isn't working for you, I think he's also a filmmaker who people are just like skinny white asshole, you know what I mean? Like that kind of a thing. It's just like this. I do kind of want him to make skinny white. asshole movies again like i do maybe want him to make margot at the wedding again uh what if no about

i mean not to sound like uh i'm at the barricades and like is no obama back too too rich did he get too rich and i'm like i just think like he lost like he like marriage story is great but i do think like it is kind of touching on that if you watch that movie again it's like the finances of that movie are out of their fucking mind because it's just they're spending thousands and thousands of dollars and he's like living i'm like okay they're just like yeah living in new york in la and it's like so it's like that is tough but like yeah i mean white noise is like a big miss for me but like jay kelly is obviously the jay kelly is the story of a very rich man uh and and after barbie i feel like no a bomb back between that and whatever deal he has with netflix is never his

his generational wealth is secured which is hilarious for a guy who was like doing squid in the whale and like all these like tiny like francis ha which is about like basically uh you you know, like people at a poverty level, you know, like trying to make it in New York City to like Jay Kelly, it just doesn't work. So I'm like, did he get too rich? Does he like, has he lost the ability to have something to say that resonates with the general audience? And then what does he do to pivot off of that? Like, is he going to find something to adapt? I don't know. And is Greta Gerwig secretly the smartest person in the world for being like, I'm going to make movies that don't exist in any deal? We're like, Barbie World and Narnia and all this

sort of stuff and just like, am I the only person, by the way, who is, like, optimistic about everybody seems to be so lamenting. Like, Greta Gerwig's been, like, locked it away in Narney or whatever. I didn't know much about Narnia, obviously, but from what I read about what book she's doing, it does sound, like, really cool to me. So I think it could be good. I doubted, I was, I was a little disappointed when she picked up little women because I was like, what new thing are we going to get out of Little Women after Umpteen adaptations?

And she got it. And she nailed it. And it's perfect. And then I said about Barbie to him, like, why is Greta Gerwig wasting her talents on a fucking Mattel movie? And then that turned out to be great. So I was like, I'm done doubting Greta Gerwig. What if she's the new Jim Cameron? What if?

I will be, I am ready to be as obnoxious about Greta Gerwig as people are about Jim Cameron. I am ready. Don't bet against Big Greta. Yep, yep, yep, yep, exactly. All right, anything else we want to say, Chris Rosen, you're our guest. Anything else you maybe wrote down or wanted to bring up about Uncut Gems? I feel like we covered a lot of it. I do think, like, it would have done better had it been now.

I don't even, but beyond Sandler, like, I'm like, what else could it have gotten? Like, where else do you guys think it was close to being nominated in any other category? This is what I was trying to figure out. I think if Adina Menzell had one more scene, we would have been talking about her. Instead of Kathy Bates and Richard Jule. I mean, if Kathy Bates could get in for Richard Jule, a national treasure, though, but I'm like, I love Kathy Bates

and I was so, for as much as I loved Jennifer Lopez and Hustlers and thought it was a horrible injustice that she got nominated, I immediately broke out into defend Kathy Bates mode because people were being really mean to her

and I'm like, listen, this is not Kathy's fault, Kathy, innocent, she didn't engineer, you know, a hit squad out on Jennifer Lopez or anything. Do you guys think, like, and the other thing is,

I guess, in terms of Sandler, like we were talking about him, like, in him missing the same year as Jennifer Lopez, clearly like there's a like they're not taking them seriously right as the oscar nominees maybe or yeah like do you so like do you think that that is still like i agree there's such an affection for sandler and certainly like it does feel like that but like is there a world where like their people are

still not taking it in the community like he's friends jennifer rannison like all the kimball people i feel like you know like i feel like jimmy kimball has got like all those people who are friends right and like sandler's in that it's a good analog but i do think both of them as much as it shouldn't in the way that it does, it goes back to the movies because there is a whole snob factor around hustlers about the industry

that it's about, and it's bullshit, because it's also like, hustlers made $100 million after being an independent production, and like, it shouldn't be. People shouldn't be snobs in this way, but I think they were. And I do think that, like,

maybe snob isn't the right word for uncut gems, but I do, think like what the movie is didn't help it yeah i also think though there is a there's a dividing line there where i feel like clearly so many people in the industry do love adam sandler although i wonder if it's one of those things where you almost have to know him to know that you love him because like i imagine there's a lot of other people who really do turn up their nose to like at his entire genre of movies. Whereas, like, Jennifer Lopez, much as I love her, I think the last couple of years

have been a good reminder of the fact that, like, oh, right, like, she does not make it easy for people to like her. Like, that makes a lot of sense to me. I think there are probably a lot of people in the industry who have maybe worked briefly with Jennifer Lopez who are like, I'm not going to vote for her. And that, to me, is a little bit different than I think what's going on with Sam. I think these are probably two people, too, that when you look at the history of these career Oscar peoples, they've worked with everybody, you know, even when it goes back to TV, someone like Jeff Hiller winning his Emmy this year, just like the taste, the taste, that's someone who has worked with everybody in their industry, that like all of those voters have worked with that person before. I don't know if that's true of Jennifer Lopez or if that's true of Adam Sandler.

I agree with that. But I think the thing that I'm encouraged by is, like, him doing, like, the basketball court interview with Chalame this year when, like, he doesn't, like, you know, he does not have to go to these lengths, really. It's good. It's smart. It shows that he can, you know, quote unquote, play the game without seeming phony about it. that there is a way for Adam Sandler to campaign for Oscar without him, you know, being embarrassed. And I like that. I think that's cool.

And I think ultimately it's, it's makes me optimistic for, for him in the future. Not this year. I think he could be nominated as a crazy one that we could just say like this, what if this actually happens? So like, Jay Kelly, I'm like ready to throw dirt on, right? And I feel like, oh, it's going to not be good. but yeah what if it isn't and what if it like so like we said like what if j kelly is the best picture nominee i mean like sad could definitely bring it back right yeah i feel like it's gonna do really well at sag where you could see getting ensemble and cluny and sandler and what if it gets

billy crud up to does it get like double nominees at sag for jay kelly not being on the casting short list is a big it's a big surprise yeah but maybe they're like oh there's too many famous people and it doesn't you don't need to do much or whatever but then if it gets in it SAG, like, okay. And then like, I mean, like, we're all, I mean, at this point, are you guys expecting, like, Benicio to win best supporting actor? Are you going to sell in Scar's Guard, I guess? I think Benicio, I said a few weeks ago, what if Benicio's just going to sweep? And I think that was after his second Critics Prize. And I've given, I've seen no reason for me to jump off of that. So I'm in that band, I'm on that wavelength, too. But I was like, also, like, if for some

reason, like, if Sandler gets nominated at SAG, he could win. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, it's like not unlikely that he could win sag and then all of a sudden it's a different story build up momentum and it's like if he gets to give a speech at anything if he like you know like all of a sudden it's like oh we really do like at the gotham awards he was far and like he did a that was a that's a great i don't know if you have you guys have you ever gone either no no no the only thing i saw from the gotham awards was Hugh jackman predicting that kate hudson was going to win an oscar that was tough the best tweet ever Kyle we can't ever had was like you jackman angling for a penskeme a job I think that you wrote after

to win an Oscar. She should get nominated because she's so good in that movie. I think she actually will get nominated, frankly, because that category, I don't. I hope so. I can think she will get carried by SAG also. If that movie makes a lot of money,

I don't think it's going to. But for the Gotham Awards, when they did, so they have, like, it's a long event, everybody's eating and nobody's paying attention, and they kind of do these awards, competitive awards, where they're giving the most, Eating a heavy pasta dinner from what I saw from the photos, too. It's fine.

And then like, but they're giving out like the winners of the awards are mostly like, it's like there's a small jury picking these winners and they go very indie with the winners, even if as they've tried to bring in more big names, but then they do these tributes. Anyway, long story short, they were doing a tribute for Jay Kelly and Sandler and Emily Mortimer were kind of doing it. And Sandler absolutely annihilated again. Like he was so funny and like really like great up there on stage with Emily Mortimer. room they were doing like a bit and all the bits were so terrible so he like really stood out and i was talking like afterwards i was talking to like the one of one of the people i know from netflix and he was like sailing it's just killing it every room he's in he just kills it and i'm like if he ever gets to win at sag or anywhere like a televised award it'll help yeah really could sell

because like if it's got two i mean like i do think benizio is like way ahead of sean pan but they're both going to get nominated most likely so yeah see you mentioned you brought up kyle and Kyle has been on this, and I am unfortunately on the same wavelength as Kyle. That at some point it's going to lock in for Penn. As soon as these industry awards start clocking in, it's going to be Sean Penn. And, like, I am very on the record that Sean Penn does not need three acting Oscars. But I do think that there is a lot of maneuverability room that, like, something like you're saying, that a good acceptance speech by someone could really change the dynamic. And so that's why I'm not ready to, like, kick Sandler out, basically.

But, well, so, but, again, the opposite side of that coin, and I don't want to be the, you know. No, do it. Fly in your Chardonnay here. But what if, if Jay Kelly really just doesn't ever hit, it doesn't get a best picture nomination, it gets like, you know, one straight nomination somewhere, is there a chance? What are the chances that Sandler just doesn't get nominated? I actually would, I'm actually currently. are you currently i don't even have a minute you don't have i have jacob allureding and it's my fifth because i think the other four lord is really good and lord lord lord is really good so i'm like i just think

the stronger like to chris like chris you were saying like when the movie is a lot of times it is the stronger movie and like j kelly's not a stronger movie and obviously don't cut gems and hustlers too we're not strong movies for the academy and so they're going to miss and like you know when sandler gets a strong movie then maybe he just does like a kieran kuk like kieran had a strong even though miss best picture, which was kind of a surprise. I think it was like a strong movie that people, like, you had the screenplay nomination, oh, he's baked in, and like he was steamrolling, and it just worked. People liked him, and they liked the movie enough.

It missed best picture, but it probably was 11, and that's fine. You know what I mean? It worked. So Sandler needs something like that. Maybe that's not going to be Jay Kelly, and it certainly wasn't on cut jams. I just brought up Ancler pundits to see if I had predicted him, and I forgot that I'm still doing sicko predictions on some of these. You gotta update them, my guess.

You gotta change it, Joe. Well, I did. I updated them from the first sicko predictions, and I sort of, like, desiccoughed them somehow. But the sicko predictions were valuable when, like, it is about putting more names into the conversation. I'm streamlining. But as of December 4th, I had Benicio and Stell and Scarsgard,

and then I had Aesap Rocky and both Noah and Jacoby Jupe. And you know what? All of them deserve it. One of the jukees will get nominated, it made me a BAFTA. Oh, that would be great. 2019, the two popes, 2025, the two juke's.

Where, again, actors on actors kind of blew it in a lot of ways this year. And one of those ways is it should have given us jupe on jupe. I wanted Jupe interviewing Jews. It should have been Noah Joop himself interviewing Noah Jupe as Noah Jupe in Hamlet. Oh, wait.

As if they were two different actors. Rosen, you're more plugged in than I am. Is there a reason why Rose Byrne is on none of these actress roundtables nor on variety actors on actors? Are they like keeping her away? Is she filming something? She might be filming something, but it is definitely like it's a little pay for play kind of, right?

Well, yeah, but I mean, like, why is nobody at age 24 vain? I mean, yeah. No, she must be filming something, I'd imagine. Maybe. Because, like, I mean, I know they're like still, they've been very high on her. though I will say, Chris Fyat, when we did our fall festival draft with Katie, I'm still shocked. She didn't get a medallion, a tell your

ride, Rose Byrne. I don't understand how they drop the ball. Taking that movie to telluride and not having a tribute attached to it is a little. I'm surprised that that movie went over well, considering how uncut gems went over. I mean, I think it's like, like, are we, is this fucking play about us? But I'm like, we're getting, the

audience, like the young people are getting older. just like into these you know what I mean like the tell you right crowd really loved anora they did like if I had legs I don't know I guess it's a different crowd that's what I mean like I think uncut gems now would have played probably better at tell your ride would have been different with this whole thing and whatever but alas and a different this year is just too crowded I like he said like I don't even think like when we were going through I think taran and Christian bail are great like as six and seven maybe and the hero probably is more like margot Robbie for Barbie or Hopefully not, but, like, Michael B. Jordan for sinners, where you're just like, oh, I'm taking him for granted. Listen, they needed to nominate a second pope that year, and Jonathan Price, good for Jonathan Price for getting a nomination first time in his career. That was fine. Yeah. Which is probably why that nomination was always going to happen. Yeah.

People felt bad for him after the wife, and they were like, you know what? you were Jonathan Price was right and and that's why Christian Slater you're next we feel bad for you for being in the wife Christian Slater who like just popped in and sat down next to me when I saw one battle after another all of a sudden just like okay there's Christian Sater right there I can't derail us to ask why Glenn Close is not in the supporting actress conversation for Wake Up Dead Man which she should be but

I just think these wake up my might I like, I actually like, like, I really like Wake Up Dead Man. I actually think I'm going to like it more than any of the other knives out, perhaps, at least certainly more than Glass Onion. And Glencoast is so good. Everybody's so down on Glass Onion now a few years later. I'm like the only holdout. It was really fun.

I liked all of them. No, I mean, I always thought, glass onion felt more like, it's definitely more of a comedy, it's driven over a confection, right? And like, this felt like, there's like actual depth to Wake Up Dead Man, which I really like, but I just think the third in such a quick succession. And then just Netflix is, like, Netflix can't do this. Like, as good as the people who work there are, they just have too many movies.

And they're too many things. Quietly hostile towards Ryan Johnson. Well, I mean, they've done, I know they've done like a lot of Q&A's with him. They also didn't have the, that was another one where I know they didn't have the cast for it. Like they had a, they had the TIF premiere and that was like really the only time. They had some with,

sometime with Josh. Like, I haven't seen Daniel Craig really around at all. Yeah. And Glenn Close, I don't know. I'm sure she's busy. But I haven't really seen. Her awful television show and hanging around with Kim Kardashian all the time. Yeah.

So I'm like, she's not really around here. Drop in Instagram quotes with Kim Kardashian like literally once a week. Well, and we can say this at this point too, but like I think after that movie premiered, we knew it would be a tough line to thread to try to actually start a campaign for Glenn Close because like it's impossible to talk about what she's so great at in that movie without getting into spoilers. Yeah. Yeah. It's tough. And I mean, like, this is another, the other thing is that category is, like, filled with double nominees from Best Picture Contenders, which makes it really hard for her to, because even if you're like, oh, I'm not like, you know, like, even down to us sinners, you could, I mean, Haley Steinfeld is not in the conversation, but, I mean, like, Hardwin-Muosaku or like, no, I mean, like, I'm always banging that drum, too, because I do feel like, for as much as I don't think Hallie Steinfeld's going to get nominated, I do think she's probably going to pull some votes. She's the, uh, L-fanning of, uh, complete on-huh. Right. And does that make one?

me, Monica Mavarro maybe. Right. Yes. What are our last uncut-chems notes? What did we not talk about that we want to talk about with uncut-champs? I love the music. I think the music is great, and the needle drops are fantastic. And that crazy song that ends the movie over the credits, which is like a dance, like a hot dance track, which is like, this is so great.

And I love the guy, like, again, like to their casting, the guy who plays the man who shoots Sandler. Oh, that guy. Who I kept thinking with somebody else, but like, or like a more

familiar character actor type, but, um, wasn't. And his name is Keith William Richards. It's just absolutely fantastic. Like, you,

the, the reverse militude of this character. He's like a former longshoreman. Yes. Literally a long German. It's so good. Um, and I just think that guy's great.

And so sweaty and angry. It's just great. Yeah. Five stars. That guy. Yeah. Um, I wanted to give Rosen 30 seconds to go off on Mike Francesa, though, as a sports personality.

So Mike Francesa, should I say, Chris Fyle. Explain to Chris Fyleck and Mike Francesa is the bookie in this movie is a legendary sports broadcaster. He hosted a show, Mike and the Mad Dog, with a guy who is like a more shouty version of, like, basically like just a person you have seen in these movies, Chris Russo, for 20 years on WFAM, which is sports talk. channel in New York and when he was in this movie I was like this is absolutely lunacy and it's a classic like clearly like Benny Safty

and Josh Safty grew up listening to Mike and the Mad Dog like I did I'm sure many others of my age group also and he just is a total pompous asshole and like he is in the movie really right I mean he's just like a complete no at all

that was like his on-air persona and just like not acting at all and when this movie came out I actually did interview him for this movie Is you really? I think I did it for screen crush. I'm going to try to find it. But, uh, and he was just like, yeah, they emailed me and like whatever and like,

you know, it's kind of, it was exactly like, it's very similar to like Kevin O'Leary, uh, in terms of like, oh, like, they just wanted this is like a guy they had in mind and like clearly we're just like, it's a small part and whatever. And he was like, San Luis very nice and like this and that, you know. Mad Dog was always the more like down to earth one who. Mad Dog's, yeah. Sounded more like the guys calling in to the show. You know, he sounded just like a typical New York, like, what the Yankees got to do with this guy is.

Exactly. That's a good mad dog. And the funny postscript again, Chris, you could just zone out here. I'm listening. I'm listening. I'm absorbing all of it. Is that Mike was always like the more braggadocious and like very, he was like the lead. Like he was like more, like he was more prominent.

Yeah. The mad dog, I would argue. And now. So you're saying I'm the mad dog. Well, no, but like what happened is. And Joe. So then when they broke up the show, Mad Dog left to go to satellite radio and Mike stayed on WFAN and continued on for years and then finally retired and was like, I'm going to do a pod. He didn't want to do a podcast, but he ended up doing a podcast. And the long story short is that Chris Rousseau is, Mad Dog has become incredibly famous because he's on like first take or whatever ESPN show it is. He does. And he goes viral all the time. He's like a huge personality. And Mike is hosting a podcast for, something called Bet Rivers, which is a New Jersey sports gambling book.

And he hosts a podcast on there. And that's what he does now. And it's just fantastic. This is the other thing. Uncut jams would be so much more pertinent now because of how much sports gambling, like online sports gambling has become a thing. Like, they would be able to sell. No, I was going to say the, like, popularity of this movie and the proliferation of sports gambling among Gen Z are related facts. I don't want to do a pretty pretty bird here

But I'm just I found my interview And I'm just going to read this I asked Mike Frances about Kevin Garnett And here's what he says Francesa on former NBA superstar Kevin Garnett I've never been a Kevin Garnett fan I've never liked Kevin Garnett I think Kevin Garnett's performance was tremendous

I never saw Garnett he wasn't there But he was terrific I'm like that's like a classic Mike Francesa Just like set up by the studio To do an interview for the movie And like well fuck Kevin Garnett I don't really like him But you know what he's pretty good

in the movie. Well, he's a Boston Celtic. I know. He is that's why, but I'm just like, man, that it's he just doesn't care. Two things. Two things and then we'll wrap up. Keith William Richards, the guy who you mentioned, the guy who shoots him and Bogogian. Bogogian getting shot is even more surprising to me than

him. Pretty crazy. Yeah. He's in Ephis. He's one of the guys in Ephes. Oh, yes. I knew that he would. He's so good. Yeah. And then also to bring it around to Shalomey, a couple of SNL hostings ago for Shalomey. He did a sketch

whose premise was, what if Newsmax did sports? And it was like Newsmax sports. And the whole thing was just like completely denying reality and denying facts. And he's this Jets he's this Jets fan who's talking about like, so the scoreboard says the Jets only scored seven points.

And yet we all know that the Jets are the best team in the world. Like something's not adding up here. And Salome is so fucking funny in that. He's good. So It felt very mad dog-esque, so to bring it all around. Anyway, Chris, we're going to start a side podcast, Chris Fial, and it's going to be me and Rosen just talking sports at you.

Great, great. I could learn so much. It sounds so great. It would be great. Everybody will love listening to it. It would be so good. My last note is I remember sitting in this TIF screening and going full Leo and once upon a time in Hollywood, freaking out when I realized that that is Tilda fucking Switten on the phone.

and nobody else around me was like catching that this this is a very famous voice I want somebody out there I know supercuts aren't as much of a thing as they used to be but people still do them YouTube is still a thing I need a super cut of all the like famous

voices on phones in movies of like people because that happens quite a bit and I never catch them because I'm always just sort of like paying attention to other things Natasha Leon is also a voice on phone I would say that but this year

Jenna Malone is on the phone with Leo Yes, in one battle. One of the first calls, I think, is Jenem alone. Amazing. Who are some other voice on phone? Oh, God. I mean, this is the thing is like, I absolutely, I, oh, oh, panic room has one, right? Nicole Kidman is voice on phone and panic room.

His voice on phone and panic room. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This wreaks havoc with Cinematrix stuff because I'm always just like trying to, like, is person on phone. And, like, then you got to remember whether they were like, because obviously that counts, like, an uncredited, like, but usually person on phone is uncredited. Tilda is uncredited in this movie. I feel like you guys...

It should count, and it does count. It's just that... I feel like it shouldn't, though. It makes your life's easier. Well, no, because then we would just get emails about it so much more. Sure. You get emails about people being wrong. Do people email you, Jen?

Oh, my... Well, they email the, like, Cinematrix account. So it comes to me, but I am not the one responsible for answering those emails, thank God. That is my colleague, Bertina, who yeoman-like is her work in responding to those emails, even though I don't think she should have to. And she doesn't have to, but she does feel a responsibility to, and I feel like that is one of her better qualities. Anyway, so if you get a response back from a complaint

that you write to Cinematrix, just know that you don't, you are not owed that response, and you are getting it because my colleague. People are nice. And also know if you're getting that. response, you're wrong. All right. This is where I will come to your defense like a yappy chihuahua. I love everybody. Joe, explain the IMDB game to our lovely listeners.

Yes, every week we play the IMDB game. We're in, we challenge each other with the name of an actor or actress, and then we try and guess the top four titles that IMDB says they are most known for. If any of those titles are television shows, voice only perform. or non-acting credits, we will mention that up front. After someone gives two wrong guesses, they will get the remaining titles release years as a clue. And then if that is not enough, the whole thing just becomes a free-for-all of hints and diamonds and bullets and furbies and shoulder pads. There's a whole lot of stuff.

And Madonna Rain Needle Drops. Every time I've seen this movie and that Needle. drop happens. I'm like, yeah. That's you, Chris. And for me, it's Billy Joel, the stranger. I'm just like, fuck yeah. But I don't understand why they don't have Q104-3 as a radio station. If I ever did to meet Josh and Penny. That's your cinema sins of this movie.

Because I'm like, why couldn't you get Q104? No, if I ever interviewed Josh, I'd be like, dude, we got to talk about the erotica album. Like, I know you're a real one because you have a rain needle drop. Chris Rosen as our guest You get to decide the order in which this is going Would you like to give or guess first? I want to give first because I think I have a good one

Because I was looking at the list And I don't believe you've ever done this person So who are you giving to Joe or me I'm going to give to This will also determine the order in which who is giving to you Yeah no that makes sense I'm going to give to you Chris Okay all right

So then Chris will give to me and then I will give to Rosen I have Albert Brooks our great our favorite L in the K star Okay Okay Um

Nice Given the rules of the game Is he credited as a director For anything In his known for He's not credited As a director For anything

But it's possible That he maybe Did direct one of these Yeah But these are all acting credits They're all acting credits Yeah Broadcast News

Correct Drive Yes good Nice. Lost in America. Yes. Three for three. Oh, am I going to get my like second perfect score in like two months?

Which would probably double my only perfect scores ever. Again, here I am. Jynxing myself by even mentioning this. The other Albert Brooks, it could be defending your life. It could be mother. it could be a number of other I'm going to say defending your life

you got it all of them oh four for four good good job good job is that like two in two months that I've got

I think it's two in one month it's like two in like the last five or six weeks the listeners will tell us listeners tell us in the comments wow I feel I needed this ego boost

I needed it great what did you remember who you got it perfect on most recently? Let me look at our spreadsheet. That's what I'm doing right now. I'm trying to think of who it would have been recently. It was not Benjamin Brat. I know that.

Was it Patricia Arquette? Might have been. It wasn't Tofer Grace. And I don't think it was Coleman Domingo because I feel like I was giving you. See, I think it was a little further back. Anyway. Well, anyway. Well done. Good job. All right.

Who do you have for me, Chris? Well, I had one that was more difficult that we may never get to use again. But in the spirit of generosity, after getting my perfect score, I feel like I need to go easier on you. How do you feel about this, Joe? How do you want to end 2025 at the idea of the game? No, challenge me. Okay. Then I went into the just safty casting, whatever, someone who we've never done, whereas my other option we would have done.

before. No, I like what somebody we've never done. I prefer. From the cast of Marty Supreme, I chose for you none other than Fran Dresher. Fran. There is one television show. I bet you can guess what it is.

I'm hoping it's the nanny. It is the nanny. Is one of them this is spinal tap? No. Fuck! All right. Well, now things have gotten interesting, haven't they? Fran Drescher

In the Films I imagine that Marty Supreme hasn't made it there yet I ask Yes, I'm going to say Marty Supreme so I can get years Marty Supreme is incorrect Yeah, okay, that's what I thought

Your years are 1977, 1989, and 1997 Kind of surprised you didn't guess the 1997 movie Oh, the beautician and the Beast The Beautician and the Beast Great poster, great poster Her big

Post-Nanny fame movie The Nanny's still running That's what I mean But post the boost of Nanny Fing I get what you mean So you have 1977 and 1989

Is 77 like New York stories? No It is an Oscar nominee though Maybe an Oscar winner. Hold on. What if Fran Dresher was in like Julia? No. Oh my God, Lillian.

Sorry, sorry. What? Just Fran Dresher talking to Lillian? She's a communist. All right. What are you, what are you hinting? What's your hint? And 1977 is an Oscar nominee, shockingly not how you would think it's an Oscar nominee.

Oh, that's interesting. But it is an acting nomination. Okay. The way you're saying nomination and not saying when, I'm thinking it's not like the... No, I don't think there was a reality where this was ever going to win that acting Oscar, but it is shocking that it doesn't have a nomination in a movie. Mr. Goodbar? No. That would have been amazing.

77 is the year of Annie Hall. I will say the category I'm shocked it's not nominated is original song. Long, yeah, okay. All right, putting a pin in that one, 1989. You guessed Spinal Tap. This is a much more niche movie than Spinal Tap, but you know, you can see the connective threads to Spinal Tap. By the people or by the subject matter? Subject matter.

So it's like a spoof kind of a thing about music? In the days of drive-ins, like you can imagine this being like the B or C picture to Spinal Tap. Oh. Is it like U.HF? It is exactly U.S.S. You know who else is in U.HF? I'm pretty sure is Anthony Geary who just died from the general hospital star who just recently died. Um, Joe brings up soaps.

Okay, um, 1979, acting nominee. Not a song nominee. God, what the hell were the song nominations that year? I have to look this up because I'm... Movie with...

Is the song... Is the song the same as the title of the movie? Close. There is a song that is part of the title of the movie. Though, that's not the song. that you would immediately jump to. But no, Greece was like 78 and also Franz nodding.

You are so close. To Greece? Yes. Is it a musical? No. No? Oh, it's Saturday Night Fever. Saturday Night Fever.

Saturday Night Fever, not original song nominated, is crazy. Well, because the songs, I don't think all the songs were original to that movie, were they? Or that they were written for that movie, but like, say and alive. Or I bet you there was some, like, eligibility foolishness going on. But there is a song called Night Fever.

Well, yes, a very good song called Night Fever. Okay. Who, wait. Oh, Travolta was the acting nominee, of course. Yeah, I did not do as well on that as I should have. I should have gotten Butition in The Beast and Saturday Night Fever. That's stupid. Okay.

Also not nominated for original song, I believe, this year. New York, New York, from New York, New York. From New York, New York. From New York, New York. Go back to our hundreds. That was a really fun episode. Okay. Chris Rosen, for you, I went to the Sandler Archive, and I was like, what movie did he make directly after Uncut Jems?

That he's, you know, he's really caught the acting bug again, and he's playing a character. So who's his next? What's his next movie? It is, of course, Hubey Halloween, starring, co-starring, among several other people. I don't think we have ever done this person for IMDB game before. And if we have, I don't remember it. June Squib. Nice.

She's great in the Hubey Halloween. She has a boner donor shirt, I believe, is one of her big site gags. I think I've seen that. I want to say Nebraska. Nebraska, her Oscar nomination, correct. That seems fine. Thelma? Thelma, yes.

Is any of them animated? No animated. No television. No television either. There's no way it's Eleanor the Great, I don't think. So I'm not going to say that. All right. A movie that definitely exists that people saw.

Definitely, absolutely. A movie that wants. to be Thelma so bad, but will never be Thelma. You will never be glamour. A movie that definitely knows where to play, which character to place its emotional comics on. I'm shocked

it's not animated. I'm just in, I want to what's the animated movie that you want? I think she's into Topiols. Oh, yes. I think you're right. I was like, how is she not in one of those? But maybe people don't realize that she's in those. I'm having a hard time thinking here of other ones.

You being our guest, we can give you hints early, if you would like that. Give me a hint early, then. Okay, one of these movies was an Oscar nominee for Best Actor. Oh, about Schmidt. There you go. That's easy, of course. I forgot about that movie. Good movie, I think.

And then one of these movies is a comedy. Hmm. That's not Juby Halloween. Or is it? U.B. Halloween. Is it U. It's U.B.

Halloween. It's U.B. Halloween. being in June skips known for is very rude to that woman. That's crazy. It's crazy. How is that possible?

It's absolutely goofy and insane. Oh, my God. Now I want to see like... Well, she had a great career. She did. I want to see like how far back we could have gotten a, like an early June Squibb. Because her credits only go as far back as like the 90s, right? Like, her very first movie was Woody Allen's Alice in 1990.

She was on Broadway. years. She was on Broadway for years, right? I totally, we watched the Age of Innocence Summit recently, and I did not notice her. She's a maid? She's a maid. Inside out, Cousin, In and Out, I definitely remember her because there's a scene. Remember how in the closing credits they all do like a line dance through the wedding reception to macho man, which is like so delightful. And there's a part where it's her and like all the like designated old ladies, one of which I think is the rap and granny from. Sure. wedding singer. Debra Monk, I think, is one of them, maybe. No, she wasn't really that old then. Anyway, tremendous cast.

In and out, a movie whose heart is in the right place, but I still sometimes, and I know Paul Rudnick's a good writer, but I sometimes watch that movie, and I'm like, what are we saying about anything here? Welcome to the 90s, friend. It's Alice Drummond, who's one of the other. Oh, yes. Well, Alice Drummond, oh, no, isn't Alice Drummond the rapping granny or no? No, Alice Drummond's Ellen Abertini Dow.

Oh, yes. Ellen Arbottini Dow is a ghostbster's old lady. Yes, yes, yes. And also. I can picture them both. To Wong Fu. Yes. Anyway.

I'm looking at June Squib's IMDB right now now that we're done. And she was an uncredited voice of Michael Scott's mom on the office. So that's another one if you're doing a list. You could have June Squib. And also you can connect her to Jennifer Lawrence because she was in the Bill Engval show for two episodes. Wow. That was Jennifer Lawrence's big break. And you can connect her to Timothy Sholome

because she was in Love the Coopers. Sure. Demented Christmas Watch. Aunt Fisci. Aunt Fisci in Love the Coopers. All right, Chris. Chris Rosen. Bring us home.

Thank you for finally coming on the show. This was wonderful. This was wonderful. Oh, my God. This is the best. Please have me back. I would love to come back for any time. Listen, family is always welcome here.

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