This Had Oscar Buzz - 376 – Are You There God? It’s Me, Margaret.

Episode Date: January 19, 2026

As Rachel McAdams returns to movie screens with Sam Raimy’s horror film Send Help, we thought it a good time to look back at one of her most beloved performances to date. In 2023, Kelly Freeman Craig adapted a book beloved by (and controversial for) generations: Judy Blume’s Are You There God? It’s Me Margaret. With Abby … Continue reading "376 – Are You There God? It’s Me, Margaret."

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Let me just be normal and regular like everybody else. Just please, please, please, please, please, please, please. Hello and welcome to the This Had Oscar Buzz podcast, the only podcast that's only gave for the money until the Nepo Mayor money kicks in. Every week on this had Oscar buzz, we'll be talking about a different movie that once upon a time had Lofty Academy Award aspirations, but for some reason or another, it all went wrong. The Oscar hopes died and we're here to perform the autopsy. I am your host, Chris Fyle, and I'm here, as always, with the voice in my head I go to

for religious advice because I'm an atheist, Joe Reid. Sorry, I was distracted. I was just praying to God to make me flat chested. So we'll see. God, it's me, Chris. I am failing in my New Year's resolution. Do you have a New Year? Are you a New Year's resolution person?

Listener, this is... Not formally. Three episodes into 2026 for us. Yeah, yeah. The first we're actually recording after the new year. In the new year. Happy 2026. No, I stopped making formal resolutions because I just like got tired of disappointing myself.

But no, I think this is a new good idea where I want to, a sort of prayer exchange program where young girls pray to God to get boobs and I pray to God to just like make me more flat-chested. Oh, I thought you were going to say it's like young girls pray to God to swap houses intercontinentally and also it's the holidays. I don't know why I got there. No, that's fun. It's like the sisterhood.

It's like the sisterhood of the traveling pants but crossed with the holiday. where it's like one group of friends and their special pair of jeans goes with like swaps houses with like a Belgian group of friends and their pair of jeans. And we learn that like everybody's the same. And then there's religious curiosity. And then there's religious curiosity. Right. They go to an abbey or something like that in Europe. I'm not usually a New Year's resolution person.

I think one of my goals this year is to be less of a hater. Oh. Just be less of a hater. I like manageable goals like that. That's the problem. My goal, I always feel like my goals need to be, like, big and transformative. But, like, yes, I should make, like, a smaller, more manageable goal and see if I can do that. That's fun.

All of our listeners are like, that's not a small, manageable goal for Christmas. They're like, no, that is the mountaintop. And now I will not be talking about Frankenstein until the day after the Oscars happen. No, I think that's one thing. I have a friend who through, who does like, rather than a resolution,

suggested doing like a word as a guiding light, as like, how you want to, how you want to be or how you want to approach things. I'm like, that's a fucking incredible idea.

I love this. I think I could do something like that. We are well enough into 2026. I don't have a word. That's it. You know what? Better luck next year. You know,

you'll go get. in 2027. No, the other thing is, I always feel like, too, it's just like the beginning of the year is that thing where it's just like, well, I resolve to like be better at exercising or like come up with like, you know, a meal plan regimen or something like that. And it's like,

man, this is the worst, this is the worst time of the year to do that. You always hear about that that like the worst time of the year to join a gym is January because like every fucking buddy is joining a gym in January. And so I'm like, okay, well, like, I guess I'll wait until like March But then like you fucking forget to do it in March. And then so it's just kicking the can down the room. We've got a Peloton.

We've got a Peloton on Black Friday. Here's my problem with the idea of an exercise bike is I so, this is how I like fret my way out of self-improvement is I so worry that I will spend all that money on a Peloton and then I will like sit on it and be like, well, like, this makes my ass hurt. Like I can't like sit on this seat. And, like, then I'm debating getting bike shorts. Something. Or just, like, one of those things where it's just like, that's why I like the idea of, like, a recumbent bike, because those things have, like, big wide seats. And I'm just like, that's what I need. It's just, like, you know, Black Betty Bam a Lam over here needs just like a big old seat.

Well, I'm not here to advertise for free for one of the exercise companies that I use because we also have other. I love doing hot yoga Yeah, if you want us to say Peloton one more time on this podcast, you're going to have to pay for it, that's all I'm going to say. But what I will say, they have rowing machines. They're more expensive than the bike, but like maybe rowing would work

for you. Maybe, maybe. Alternatives, options. Much like religion, you have options. That's true. That's true. If you want to pursue your religious identity because you don't know if you have one. And also,

you're a teenage girl. What you're saying is go to Temple on weekends and walk there and then you'll get your steps in. Got it. Got it. Done. Done. What a fun, exciting

movie we're talking about this week. I really love this movie. I love this movie too. This movie is really kind of undiminished. But there's a lot to talk about in terms of the award-siness of this movie. We obviously love Rachel McAdams on this show.

As soon as I saw the trailer for Send Help, I was like, well, we're going to do, are you there, God, it's me, Margaret, even if Joe doesn't want to. No, Joe wanted to. Were you a Judy Bloom reader as a young person? Yes, I... what was the

what was the one that it's the series but it's the boys? Tales of fourth grade nothing slash superfudge. Yes, I read the Superfudge books. Those were the only Judy Blumes that I read. Like I never read earlier that I got to meet Margaret. I was much more of a Beverly Cleary kid

which I know is like slightly younger than Judy Bloom even though like our school was in fourth grade the fourth grade teacher who was like famously like the mean teacher which is why I was like all the more happy when it turned out that she ended up liking me um classic Joe classic Joe behavior

all of my teachers uh that were women liked me I don't think my male teachers liked me but I didn't like them either god I we did not have male teachers really we had a male gym teacher and then like briefly we had a male Spanish teacher but like we did not have male teachers that was not a thing okay also to be clear in elementary You're just calling them teachers.

They were nuns. We had two. You went to Catholic school. Yeah, but by then, like, the nun shortage was all already very real. I had two nuns. Wow, what a lefty Catholic school. I had two nuns and one priest over the entirety of my educational history. And two out of three of them I really, really liked.

And the third one was kind of like eight billion years old. But no. I thought there's always rumors in, like, elementary school. I love that you imagine, like, my education is, like, Miss Clavel and Madeline or something like that. No, they're all Lois Smith and Lady Bird. That's great. No, well, I guess our principal was a nun as well, but, like, whatever, in elementary school at least. But, no, there were not enough nuns and priests to have all nun and priest faculties when I was growing up.

That was definitely not a thing. but we didn't have male priests. We had, but anyway, but my point being, in fourth grade, the one thing that everybody would tell you about fourth grade that they liked was that, like, as a class, you read Tales of a Fourth Grade, nothing, and everybody really liked that book, as did I. And then I read the other Fudge books, but I was more into, like, the Beverly Cleary stuff.

I read all the Ramona books. I read, like, Henry Huggins and all this sort of stuff. But, like, are you there, God? It's me, Margaret, or is Judy Blum? Frecklejuice maybe? And like, otherwise known as Sheila the Great

and Blubber I remember being a book that people read. But yeah, I knew about them, especially like as you grow up, you hear that like, especially like the girls that you knew

grew up with, particularly are you there? God, it's me, Margaret, but like Sheila the Great and starring, starring, Sally J. Friedman, that's herself.

And all these are... I remember the whole hubbub of... But Are You There, God, it's me, Margaret. It's a girl book. Why are we reading a girl book? And in the back, I'm the tiny little... I'm the little gay guy that's like, I like it. Fuck you. Well, I'm the one sort of like reading the Beverly... Why did I say the Beverly Hillbillies?

The Babysitters Club books in, like, private, right? where I'm like getting them out from the library. And I don't know if I ever was bold enough to get a babysitters club book from the book fair. Did you ever have that at the book fair or like the bookmobile? Did you have either one of those things? That's like second Christmas. Yeah. Okay.

The book fair. Yeah. We had the book fair maybe like three times a year, four times a year. And then we had the bookmobile, I think, once every two weeks. I'm going to make a confession that I don't think, I don't think. I don't think my mother knew this, and I don't know if I, like, told my siblings this, but, like, the week of the book fair, like, you know, my parents knew it was big for me, and I got, like, you know, $5, $10 to spend at the book fair, whatever. But I would also, like, because we weren't, like, packed lunch kids, we were, like, here's $2, that's your school lunch. I would save that money all week to go spend it at the book fair. At the book fair? That's awesome. Well, so the other thing. Maybe not awesome. Today we would be like that child as an eating disorder.

And it's like, no, that child has a book. As a reading disorder. Yeah, exactly. Okay. I wasn't Babysitters Club, though. Babysitters Club movie came out while I was a kid. See, by the time Babysitter's Club movie came out, I was too old for it. It was too cool, and you would have been gay to see it at that age.

Well, yeah. Box Car Children. I was a box car children. I read a few. I had the cardboard box car that you put the books in. I also weirdly wasn't like a Hardy Boys person or even like a Nancy Drew person. I remember being an Encyclopedia Brown person. And before that innate the great person for like even younger kids.

But no, the other thing to sort of give you a sense of how, I mean, poor is the wrong word for it, I guess. But like poor, my elementary school was, was we didn't have a librarian. We didn't have a paid librarian. We had a volunteer librarian, and that was my mom. And so my mom, like, ran the school library for basically the entire time I was in elementary school. And then when I went to high school, she got a job at my high school as the guidance counselor's secretary. So this is just, like, gay guys stacking the deck. Because first of all, we talk about gay guys loving their English teachers.

Now, gay guys love their librarians in elementary school. And like, that's fully stacking the deck if your librarian got to also be your mom. Fuck you. And so, and that's why I like read a lot when I was a kid especially, which is the irony that I've become the illiterate wretch that you see before you. But so that was like, that was nice. But it was also turned the library into something of a fraught thing where I was always, I loved going to the library. But I was also a little bit like on your tiptoes because like, what? does everybody do when you're in school? Everybody kind of like, like, you love your teachers. But

like on par, the majority of the people in your class want to like get one over on your teacher or like make fun of your teacher when they're not, you know, whatever. And so I'm always on eggshells being like, God, please don't let people make fun of my mom. You know what I mean? Or whatever. And they didn't. Probably also being like, mom, be cool. Well, right. I'm like not your kid here. Right. Thankfully, my mom didn't do, like, was not a very extra kind of school mom or whatever. I think sometimes you see, you know, people trying to be like, oh, I'm the cool librarian or whatever. And my mom would just sort of like mind her business and sort of, you know, do her job. I mean, she was doing volunteer work.

She did not have to be paid to educate your damn kids. Yeah, exactly. I remember our elementary school librarian, she was fabulous. She smoked like cigarettes on a cigarette holder. In school? We knew this because we knew where the teacher's smoking spot was. And it was right outside the doors to the gymnasium. So it's like you could see this woman smoking on her long like Mrs. White cigarettes.

Fabulous, fabulous. In high school, because I went to Catholic school, you had a religion class. And so a religion teacher who was not a nun but was also like none adjacent sort of like older. like single, you know, woman, you know, whatever, like never married, that kind of a teacher. And she was always fairly strict and fairly stern in school. But when I got my first job, which was at a busboy at a local pub, she would come in on Fridays. And so whenever I worked Fridays, she would be there with, like, her friends. And just like getting a weird beer that, like, a child doesn't understand.

They would get, like, a fish fry. But then, like, I think they were also, like, doing coffee. I think they were doing like, you know, Manhattan's. They were doing Coke in the bathroom. But so that's when I found out that like, oh, my religion teacher, like, likes me as well. Because, like, she would, she'd, like, the busboys didn't get direct tips. The busboys would get, like, a portion of the waitresses' tips. But, like, she would always, like, slide me money, you know, specifically.

And so I was like, oh, okay. Like, I mean, this is like, Tales of a Teacher's pet, for sure. Like, all the very different ways. I found out that, like, my teachers liked me. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

I mean, I was motivated to get my teachers to like me. Oh, did they not naturally? What the fuck? Well, no, it's just that like, while everybody else is like, let me get the, let me get on the popular kid's side. I'm like, let me get on my teacher's side because they're like sophisticated and they're like business women. You know, that's the child I was. Okay, we will have to get into the movie. We'll close the book shortly on our youth reading habits.

This is our most like YAA episode since we did The Mighty. Like remember when we did The Mighty? The Mighty, sure. I read those books. Did you ever do choose your own? Okay, two questions. The first one, choose your own adventure books. I remember reading some of those, but I was never obsessed with them.

lived. I loved. Love, love, love. Especially like a scary choose your own. There were ones that were like Adventure, adventure, adventure. I wanted it to be scary. My problem was, I always tried to, I never just went with the fucking flow. I would always with a choose your own adventure book, I would like choose the one path,

but then I would also be like, okay, but if I had chosen this and I'd choose it. And like, I would like pick it apart, I think a little bit too much so I would lose the wonder of the choosing your own adventure. And I would always sort of like break it down to like the mechanics of it. I was like, oh, okay, you're always going to end up with like this kind of a thing. And I would sort of like see through the mechanics of a choose your adventure, which is just like no fun. I mean, there are maybe no joys as much as when you're like,

ooh, I have to do one of these two things. And then you flip to one and you get a full page of text. You're like, yeah. You chose the right one. Yeah, you chose the interesting one. I also remember a scary one that it's like you choose one path and it like made it like built up tension like you flip to the page it tells you and it's just like a short graph and it tells you to flip to another one it's another short graph you flip to the next one it's a line and then you flip to where it tells you and you're dead yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you always that's nothing really like it except for maybe like video games it's really the only medium where you can allow children to read a book where you like, you die. You know what I mean? Because they always give you the chance to

back up and be like, or you could have done it this way. I really think that like choose your own adventure books are why I love like haunted house stuff. Ah, that could make sense. Because I love reading like a Shirley Jackson. I love like a haunted house. Like, you know, must be. Did you get big into like reading mystery novels when you got older? No. I was reading Stephen King really young, which is maybe why I can't really read it now. Yeah. But I did love, like, scary stuff. I liked scary books before.

Were you, like, R.L. Stein? Oh, did I not send you the photo of me and my cousins getting to meet R.L. Stein at the mall? Oh, my. I don't think you have. That's amazing. I'll send it back. I'll send it to.

Getting to meet R.L. Stein at the mall is a, that's a specific kind of thing. Ohio's own R.L. Stein. Oh, very good. Okay, the last thing before we move on from like our youth young adult reading book corner. This is a scholastic book fair of an episode. Yes. Yes. Let's talk about our trauma.

Scary stories to tell in the dark. Oh, okay. I definitely remember reading that. But I, again, I think I'm, I think that was a book that was totemic for our kids who were slightly younger than I was. I think that's one of those like solidly millennial things that I as a Gen X Cusper was probably a little bit too old for. I mean, really, it's also just the pictures that are scary because like the stories are supposed to be funny. But I remember like my brother, my sister got it from the library and I like did the full like Friends episode where they put the shining in the freezer. and I hid the book so that I wouldn't have to see it anywhere.

Yeah. And, like, they got in trouble because, like, the book was overdue. Yeah. Those things are so terrifying. I know now, like, the story that we all grab onto in nostalgia is the one with the queen with the neck scarf. Oh, okay. And if she takes off the scarf, her heads falls off. Her head falls off, yeah.

Trying to think of what other ones. I was very into those sort of like ghost stories that, like, kids would tell each other that ended up being, like, whenever you would hear about, like, you know, urban legends or whatever. You're like, oh, yeah, I've heard that story like eight billion times. Are you afraid of the dark culture? Yes, exactly, exactly. So a lot of those stories, I just got, you know, the man with the golden arm or, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. the girl driving the car down the street and the person, the person driving behind her is trying to,

is like, looks, seems like he's chasing her, but it turns out he's trying to warn her because there's a murderer in the backseat of her car or whatever, like all those kinds of things. Um, so those I loved. I remember when I was working at my college library as a freshman,

I ended up kind of just like fucking off for an hour and just sitting in the stacks and reading an entire book of urban legends. Just like front to back because it was just like, oh, these are all the stories that I like grew up like hearing when I was a kid. And you put the book away and then you're passed by like a figure holding a candle in period. Right. You know, just between the stacks. Well, Buffalo has a lot of like weird, like haunted areas. There's a, there's a hotel up in Grand Island that's supposed to be haunted.

There's a whole bunch of stuff in East Aurora, which is a town right outside of Buffalo that is haunted. There is a town to the south of us called Lillydale that is essentially. just like a town where people who are like purported psychics like go to just like set up shop and so people like take a day trip down there and just like go get like their you know get psychic readings and whatever um so there's a whole lot of that's what we should do we should go to a psychic let's do it i would absolutely do it i one time my aunt had a psychic uh hired a psychic to come to her house. And so it was like my aunts and like some of my cousins and me. And we all got our readings. And I have it because they tell you to write things down. They say, like, write it down because it may not make sense to you now, but it'll make sense to you then. And I think I have it tucked away in some box somewhere, my list of like things that I all the stuff that I wrote down. But the only thing that I remembered specifically was that there was a message for my mother from someone on the other side named Gloria or Glow. telling her to go to a casino and play the nickel slots.

And that would turn out well. And if you know my mom, that's the last thing you will ever find my mom doing is going to a casino to play the nickel slots. So suffice it to say, that has remained a mystery for all of this time. We never would know what happened. I mean, maybe if she passes a nickel slot, I don't think those exist anymore. Like one time, she should just play. Throw a coin in there. See what happens.

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we've been talking about, like, what the Algo has served us. I get so much Sylvia Brown that it's like, I should just go to a psychic. I do get a lot of Sylvia Brown. That is definitely for sure. I don't want, I mean, maybe I do want a Sylvia Brown psychic experience because, of course, none of it's true. What's the one clip where she's just like, there are people in your house who've been there for hundreds of years?

And she's like, my house was built 30 years ago. And she goes, the land, honey, the land. Yeah, he drowned. She's so quick on her feet. I loved her. All right, all right, all right. Who wins an Oscar for playing Sylvia Brown in the biopic? What a great question.

I'm saying, I'm saying. I'm going to let you marinate on that one. Hopefully I'll have an answer by the end of the episode, if I remember. Because I want to say Olivia Coleman could do it. Like Olivia Coleman doing like a really like broad American accent. She would really have to make herself like dead behind the eyes because it's the Sylvia Brown eyes that I'm really getting stuck on. And I also don't want like a Tammy Faye prosthetics situation.

Agreed. Agreed. Yeah, Jessica Chastain, you're not allowed to play Sylvia Brown on the Sylvia Brown. Nor is Sarah Paulson after her Linda Tripp misadventures. Like no, absolutely not. Actually, I don't know. Maybe Sarah Paulson is the perfect person to play Sylvia Brown. All right.

All right. Let's talk about it. All right. Are you there? God, it's me, Margaret. What a wonderful film. What a great film. Only a couple years ago and it already feels like it's been with us forever.

I was even a little confused of when this happened in COVID because when I saw this, I saw it in a huge theater completely by myself. So the way that my memory works is I was like, oh, this is like, oh, this is like, Like shortly after COVID when I'm seeing movies after I got vaccinated because like I waited. But no, it was 2023. Yeah, it was after I had moved back to Buffalo because I remember I saw it with my sister. Connecting those dots for me is really like, oh, maybe we are very screwed in terms of getting people back to movie theaters because this movie should have made so much more money. Yeah, no, it's so much more money.

and it feels like it would make even less in 2025 just because everything is. And I wonder if this had opened, well, I guess this would have been the same year as Barbie, the same summer as Barbie. Was it a summer? A month or two, well, two months before Barbie. Maybe it had opened two months after Barbie.

Things might have been different. I don't know. We'll see. Such a different movie than Barbie. But I feel like Barbie had people getting into the habit. of like going to movies with like their friends and their friends' daughters. You know what I mean?

Like that kind of a thing. Like yes, moms and daughters in groups going to see Barbie. I remember that was like a big thing when I saw that at the theater. And those people should have all also lined up to go see Are you there? It's me, Margaret.

What could we have combined that movie with to turn it into a Barbohenheimer concept in 2023? Let's open up the box office. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yep. Yep. Of when it opened.

What did we say April? Late April. All right. What's in the box office, late April, 2023? The Super Mario Bros. The Nazi Hunter movie. Okay. So if we combine it with John Wick Chapter 4, then we get Margo Wick.

We're going to go see the Margo Wick movie. The Super Margaret Brothers movies. Super Mario Brothers movie? Are you there for? It's me, John Wick. Are you there, John? It's me, Margo Wick. Pair it with air. Are you there, God? It's me, Margarit. Are you there, but with an air? Are you there, God? It's me Michael Jordan. Yeah. No, we could do that.

It really was the type of movie that, people should have gone to see together. And obviously we're not saying, you know, Barbie money is Barbie money. You know, Oppenheimer money is Oppenheimer money. I don't think we live in a world where this movie is going to make 300 million dollars. But scale it down somewhat and you'd still end up with something pretty good. And then get people talking about it. And I think that this is a movie that people can connect to on an emotional level, but it's not the type of thing that's taxing, you know? The Little Mermaid remake made $300 million domestic. I think. I think you could have allowed...

I thought it made like a hundred. I did two, but I'm looking at this right here. Domestic, $298 million. You let Are You There God, it's me, Margaret, make a sixth of that? Yeah. Let it make 50. Let it make 50. It's just so depressing, too, because I think, you know, definitely this movie's biggest

fans are more adults than young adults. Yeah. And I think one of the best things about this movie is that it, you know, doesn't pull any punches about being largely about young people and being, you know, honest about the age range that it's talking about and, yes. And, you know, it doesn't come from a cynical or like even a navel-gazy place. So it's like, it should feel very accessible to that age range. And it's like, it's just very clear that they didn't go see it.

I just think it comes down to that thing that we talk about a lot, which is that, like, too many people have gotten out of the habit of going to the movies as a sort of regular thing rather than as a, like, once or twice a year thing. I know. I would have killed to see this movie with, like, a theater half full of matinee ladies, you know? Totally. You know, they would have loved the, you. this movie. But like, and their daughters. Like, that's the thing is I want, like, moms and

daughters. And of course, like, I'm sure that's mortifying for the daughters. But like, but this, I don't think is a mortifying movie. I don't think this is a movie that, like, girls would be like, oh my God, I can't believe I'm seeing this with my mom or whatever. You have a little laugh about how, like, things were when your mom was young and that kind of a thing. And then you go out for, like, fucking Red Robin or Applebee's or whatever. And, you know, you talk about the movie and stuff. There is an element of this movie, too, that I think it takes place in another time. It's a period movie. But it doesn't draw attention to it in a way that, like, if you're not really looking for 1970s details, they may just completely gloss over you.

And in that way, it feels very modern and accessible, too. That is kind of refreshing. Because, like, even when you think of something like now and then, a movie that I love, it's very like, and now we're in the 70s. Yes. And this movie is not like that. The period detail in this movie feels very well observed but not aggressive or not sweaty or desperate. There's no cutesy jokes about different types of emerging technology. There's an egg chair at one point.

There's a good soundtrack. There's like a really like, but it's not the like the usual suspects of like all the like, you know, the songs that you usually get around there. Yeah. But it's a really like subtly, really good soundtrack. I don't know. Like, I just think it's well done. I just think it's... The hair and clothes are accurate without being, like, gaudy.

Like, you don't have any scene where, like, Benny Safdi, like, comes home in bell-bottom pants or anything like that. And then Margaret's, like, Dad, or whatever. So I think that's all very good. It will get further into the movie, and I think some of the performances we love in this movie, on the other side of the plot description. but Joe, would you like to tell the listeners about our Patreon? Heck yeah, I would. If you're not already signed up for this at Oscar Buzz, Turbulent Brilliant, which is the name of our Patreon, you really should.

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Terrific. Are you there, God? It's me, Margaret, written and directed by Kelly Freeman, Craig, based on the novel by Judy Bloom starring Abby Ryder Fortson, Rachel McAdams, Kathy Bates, L. Graham, Amari Alexis Price, Catherine Cooper, and the previously mentioned

Benny Safdi. The movie opened wide April 28, 2023. Not that long ago. Less than three years ago. Yep. As we were trying to Barbenheimer in this movie

with something because it was the year of Barbenheimer. Number one at the box office, the weekend this opened, was the Super Mario Bros. movie. Was it ever? Was it ever?

At $40 million in its fourth week. That movie made some money. It kept going. We talked about how you can't get people to go to the movies, and then the Super Mario Bros. movie is making $40 million in its fourth week. That's wild.

It's wild. That movie made so much money. It really did. Yep. Evil Dead Rise, I did not like. Didn't see it? I hated that trailer. Every time I saw that trailer, I'm like, I don't want to watch this.

And I didn't. So there we go. I didn't really like it. Didn't really like it. Don't like what's going on with Evil Dead in like modern times. I didn't like the remake either. I still have the original Evil Dead. They will play in theaters every once in a while.

That's good enough for me. That's fine by me. Yep. Speaking of which, our number four movie that weekend. was Return of the Jedi in re-release for its 50th anniversary, I believe? Or 40th? 40th? 23 plus 17 is 40.

Yeah. That's what you call new math, my friends. We're definitely going to be getting a new hope back in theaters next year for 50. I'm all for it. You know what I got, just bought tickets for the other day? Get people into the theater. You don't I just bought tickets for the other day? My sister and I are going to go see Eternal Sunshine of the Spot.

Atlas Mind in February. That's awesome. Is that like a Valentine's Day showing? I don't even know what it is. I think they're just like, our regal is just showing a bunch of like older movies, like from various years.

And I don't know if there's any rhyme or reason for it, but like, perfect. Wonderful. So are you there, God, it's me, Margaret. Excuse me.

I will say the proper title, Are You There, God, question mark, it's me, comma, Margaret, period. Yes. A movie with four different pieces of punctuation. in the title. That's true. Question mark, apostrophe, comma, and period. Does it bug you that there is not

a comma in between there and God? Absolutely. Thank you. Do not get in our mentions or the comments about why that wouldn't be grammatically correct. I don't want to hear it. I would imagine it's the same principle as why there's one before Margaret. Like, it's the same thing, right? Are you there, God? It's me, Margaret. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe we're wrong. On that, Joe, it is your turn to do a 60-second plot description. Are you ready? Yes, although it'll probably be long. But what else is new? Then your 60-second plot description for, Are You There, God? Question Mark, it's me, comma, Margaret, starts now.

Abby Ryder-Fortson is the titular Margaret, who is nearly 12 years old when she returns home from summer camp to the news that her parents have decided to move out of their New York City apartment and make like most of the people I used to hang out with in Katie Rich's backyard and moved to the Jersey suburbs. This is sad news for Margaret and devastating for Margaret's pushy but lovable Grandma Sylvia. Newly is ensconced in her New Jersey junior high, Margaret makes fast friends with the true of girls who all form a club that mostly involves increasingly frenzied anticipation of their impending womanhood. They must, they must, they must increase their bust.

Meanwhile, Margaret's teacher capitalizes on Margaret revealing that she didn't grow up religious in order to assign her a research project on comparative religions in sixth grade. But since Margaret is already openly praying to God on the daily for A-cup Hooters and her first menstrual flow, she's up for the challenge. Said challenge leads her to ask her mom why she's never met her maternal grandparents, at which point Rachel McAdams lays waste to the audience, with a few dabbed away tears as she explains to Margaret that her parents disowned her when she decided to marry Jewish dreamboat by New Saffty. On a trip back to New York to see the Pirates of Penzance with Grandma Sylvia, Margaret requests to go to temple services, which are nice but kind of long and boring. Margaret later samples some of the Christian denominations that her friends subscribed to, but in general, she's kind of meh on religion, particularly since God is steadfastly and refused to grant her neither boobs nor mencies. After Margaret's mom sends an impulse holiday card to her parents, they get in contact with her and allude to a way that wanting to make amends. their trip up north to visit, ends up ruining Margaret's plans to spend spring break in Florida

with Grandma Sylvia and her gentleman friend, so she's already in a real mood when her newly arrived Grand Wasp's start pushing Sunday school on her. Meanwhile, Grandma Sylvia and Morris Binaman rhymes with cinnamon, arrive from Boca Raton just in time for Sylvia to deliver the most aggressive Laham toast on record, and there's a huge family argument about religion, until Margaret tells them all to shut up already, and Rachel McAdams gets devastatingly teary at again. Everything eventually gets ironed out. Margaret reconciles with her parents, her friend group, the tall, busty classmate who they'd been bullying, and Grandma Sylvia. Her Christian grandparents are left to kick rocks, however.

And then, just before she's set to leave for summer camp, Margaret gets her much-prayed-for-first period, an event for which she is well-rehearsed in sanitary pad application. And just before the credits roll, Rachel McAdams mows us down with one final almost cry. Judy Bloom, you better work, bitch. One minute and one second over. I don't think there's probably a... There's probably worse time. I'm not a person who has had a period, but I imagine having your first period right before going to summer camp.

That seems stressful, but that scene is very beautiful. It is very beautiful. They don't really linger on the stress of that. It's not like her period's a one moment thing. She's going to be going through it for probably a few days. Before we get into Rachel McAdams's tremendous performance, I have so many things to say about Kathy Bates. Sam. Name them. Kathy Bates getting laid in Florida, you better.

Kathy Bates getting an autumn sunrise hair dye job. Yes, absolutely. Love it. Love it. I do want a whole movie where we just hang out with Kathy in Florida. Kathy Bates, definitely not Jewish. No. But plays this role with a whole lot of enthusiasm for being Jewish, and that's fine. Well, and it's the toast scene where it's like the first time she says La Hymiem, you're like, okay.

And then the second time it's like, Kathy, you're not folding this off. And then she says it again and she's like, Kathy Bates is really not Jewish. Did she play, she played Jewish in the Shirley Maclean movie we did too, right? That was that whole family's deal? I'm just like fully blanking on what was the Shirley Maclean movie. Oh, and used people, yes. Yes, yes. Yeah.

Yeah, here I'm not. I also don't maybe buy Kathy Bates as the parent of Benny Saffty. Kathy Bates has a light in her eye. I mean, famously, I have always said that though I am not a Benny Safty fan in any, in most respects. He's really good in this movie. It's the one, it's the exception that proves the rule. It's one of those things where it's just like, I'm almost more galvanized and not liking him other contexts because I'm like, but I like him so much and are there, God, it's me, Margaret.

He's kind of perfect as the dad who's like a good guy, but kind of like, he's your kind of, not loser dad, but it's just like, you can't do anything. Like he's ill-equipped to handle a teenage daughter in any way that is demonstrably useful. Although he knows enough, but he's a good guy. He knows enough because he's the first person who suggests that Margaret be the one go out and pay the lawnmower boy. So, like, he gets it. He gets it. He also has really good chemistry with Rachel McAdams that's seen where they're on the front

lawn and he's, like, fixing the lawnmower. And then he, like, you know, says something to her and they kiss. I'm just like, oh, my God. Like, I get it. I get why they're together. But see, this is one of the reasons why I think McAdams is one of the greats is because, like, name a screen partner she's ever had that she didn't have chemistry with. It's true. It's like that's part of her appeal is that she.

can have chemistry with a lot of different people on top of doing a great performance in her own right, you know? I think everybody is quite good in this movie. Abby Ryder-Fortzen. I just want, let's, let's, let's, great. She is great. A really, really good, and like, I know she got a bunch of, like, younger artist nominations. She was nominated for the critics' choice. But I still feel like, maybe a little bit undersung for just how well she carries this movie. And I've seen her in a few things since. She was on a handful of episodes of the Pit in its first season. And then she showed up in Griffin and Summer. And I thought she was like really, really wonderful in Griffin and Summer. So I am, I'm excited to see where she goes. I think it's always, you know, a little bit of a, you know, fingers crossed kind

of a thing when younger actors grow up. But have loved what she's done so far. And I think she's really good in this movie, I think particularly for a movie that really depends on its main character, not indulging in these kind of broad or overbroad emotional decisions.

She has her thing where like she blows up at the family and says, I don't even believe in God. But like her and Nancy and like that whole thing where like she ends up really disillusioned by Nancy after she finds out that Nancy lied about getting her period and then also sort of whises up to how mean

she and her friends have been being to the tall girl. This is how wise Judy Blume's book is and this movie is about children this age is that like someone can just be outcast because they're too tall. It can really be that simple.

Like that girl is like maybe a little awkward but it's like she's just two feet taller than everybody and that makes her a weirdo I guess. But I think one of the great things that Abby Ryder Forreston's able to do in this movie is to depict those kinds of emotions and those kinds of disillusionments and whatever in a way that doesn't feel overly expressive, overly dramatic. And I really think that works very well because this is a thing that Kelly Freeman Craig is very good at. It's the thing where you saw that in Edge of 17, too, where you got, you know, Haley Steinfeld. playing this, you know, character. And obviously, like, that character, I think, is a little bit more sort of outwardly dramatic.

But that movie doesn't really indulge in a lot of cliches. And I think that is, to that movie's benefit. Yeah, it's twofold. It is a good child performance because I think some of the other, like, difficult thing to navigate for this character, especially trying to avoid it being cloying, is like, this is a child. who's, you know, questioning things like religion and all of that, but it's not a precocious performance. It's not anything that means anywhere towards cloying. And I think that's both the performance and the direction, not to, you know, say anything against the performance.

But, like, Kelly Freeman and Craig clearly approaches this movie with so much taste. And I don't mean that in a, like, pejorative way of, like, how things can be called to, tasteful like they're reserved in some way. I feel like this is a movie that really knows the exact mark to hit in all of its scenes and with all of its characters. Yes. Yeah. It really helps all of the young performers.

I think maybe that's one of the things that Forza didn't get as much attention for this performance because it's like this full ensemble of child actors is really, really good. Yeah. The girl who plays Nancy, I think, is like, is like. very, very good in this movie. I was going to say this too. Elle Graham is her name, the actress that plays Nancy,

because that's a hard role to play. It is. I think especially as a kid because I think at least the movie's perspective on Nancy is that she's not a mean girl, but she is like type A. She's going to run her friends like the Navy,

but she's not like outwardly mean. She does indulge in mean girl behavior. She obviously like takes the lead in bullying the tall girl. and, you know, but like, but I think you're right. I think the movie and the book understand that this is not like a bad kid. This is a kid who sort of falls prey to the temptations that I think a lot of people do in high school. And I think the temptation in an actor who's maybe a novice and doesn't really know what they're doing is to play up the villainy.

And I guess credit to Kelly Freeman Craig for however she directed her too. But it's a question And some of it has to be casting, right? Yep, yep. You get this actor in, you know, an audition room and they don't play it like they're a mean person. Right. Impulse, you know. Right, right.

But yes, I think you're right. You know, type A girl. She's running that club. She knows that club has to have rules. And, you know, it's... And it's kind of under this idea of, you know, she's probably, this type A kid who in order to feel empowered

herself at a very disempowering time, you know, as much as she's not like the perfect kid who's nice to everybody, but like, she's also trying to like create this club to empower her friends, you know, at the same time, even if she's

like, I run this show. Well, she also like, she, you know, first day that, you know, they've moved in, she's on Margaret's lawn being, like, essentially like annexing her, you know, right? Like, you know, you're new, you're with me. You know what I mean? I claim this one.

Yeah. But also, what's her name, Cupferr, the Cupferr girl? Catherine Copferer. Also from Ghostlight, a movie I really, really like. Part of the acting Cupferer family from Ghostlight. I know. They're apparently doing another movie. Are they all together?

This family, yes. Good, good. See Ghostlight, if you haven't. Very wonderful movie. But I love her in this. And then the, the show. shorter girl. I always love that they know that like every friend group has one significantly shorter girl than everybody else who plays Janie. And Janie is also a perfect. Yes, Amari Alexis Price

is also really good. Like, and Tall Girl, uh, whose name is Isol Young, who plays Laura Danker, um, is great, I think. I think everybody in this movie really delivers. The boys aren't asked to do much, but you know what? They're all appropriately funny slash endearing when they need to be slash not endearing when what's his name? Philip Leroy makes that awful, uh, a joke about Margaret being flat-chested in school and you want to just punch him in the face. But other than that, like, boys aren't really seen as, are really depicted as monsters. They're kind of more They're aloof and they're boys. I, of course, graft on to the chubby, probably gay kid who has the birthday party and is running it like it's his own personal magic show, variety hour.

Well, slash, like, Plato's retreat towards the end where he's like, and now we're going to play the games and it's like spit the bottle in seven minutes in heaven. That slam cut to the bottle on the floor is so funny. It's a good cut. Yeah. No, that's really good. I really liked that. Wait, what else was I going to say? I don't know. Philip. The kids are great. The haircut. And then the fucking lawnmower kid, who's Nancy's brother, right? Is that the deal? Yeah. Perfect little, like, jupe offshoot of a child, just being like, oh, I hope you do hang out with Margaret after she comes back from.

I keep having to fight the impulse to say Marguerette. I don't know why. But Kenneth Onergan's impact. I don't know. Well, I mean, this movie does end with Abby Ryder-Fortzen and Rachel McAdams sobbing at the symphony. Well, and who knows what happens on that bus ride to, you know. What was I watching the other day? I can't remember whether it was a movie or just like a video or something where somebody, oh, no, it was.

it was a fucking TikTok video that had made it onto YouTube shorts where people were having to accomplish a task. But it was somebody just being like, oh, I love New York City, I love this whatever, and they're running around trying to find something on the Upper West Side and they're like running past the fairway on

Broadway. And all I could think of was just like, that's where Allison Janney died. Like, be careful. It's been too long since I've seen Markorette. You know, we're at the point where like I keep coming across movies that I'm like oh god we should do an episode on that and it's like no we did an episode on that and not only do we do a episode on that we had our friend Patrick Vail on for that episode if you and it's like one of our great episode Gary's Gary's I genuinely want you to like consider this and don't just like answer it quickly but like would you be into every once in a while us

redoing, not redoing, but like revisiting a movie that we recovered in our like earliest days, in our like first year. Would that be of interest to you? Or do you feel like, just like, no, just keep on moving the new things? Because we have talked about this and there are pros and cons to it. And we might do it as maybe a Patreon thing. But there are ways in which we are better at talking about movies now than we were then. There are ways in which our audio, obviously, is better than it was back then. There are ways in which, like, the show itself is more, like, formed.

The skeleton is easier to just, like, throw us in on. And, like, seven years later, there's more context to be had for some of these movies. So, we're not saying we are fully oraboris the show. There are still plenty of movies. We are not running out of movies by any means. But every once in a while, Chris and I will have this talk of, like, we could do another banger cat's episode Cats was a good

150 episodes into you Did you see that post going around That someone was like Guys I just found out that there's a song Sung Blue Butthole cut I like lost it for 10 full minutes imagining like Hugh Jackman's Neil Diamond

It's the only thing that doesn't happen in that movie as you see a butthole because like everything else they throw into that movie. But it does feel like, oh man, we maybe like, we blew it on Pay It Forward it would be a good movie to do with a guest now. You know what I mean? When we were starting the show, like pay it forward, like help establish what the show was to people. There's a reason for doing something like that so early. We'd probably find a way to like format it somewhat differently or like make sure we

talk about different things. I don't think we should do something like that for a main feed episode. we'll do a better job of like making an archive Maybe we'll put a thread up on this on Patreon and see what our patrons think about it Who knows But Kids great in this movie

Let's finally talk about Rachel McAdams in this movie Twist my arm She wins LA film critics Tying with Devine Joy Randall Once again I understand why a lot of these critics groups went to non-gendered acting awards. I understand it.

I still can't help but feel like something gets lost in the mix when you double it up this way and when like, okay, well, we're giving two supporting prizes, both of which are to supporting actresses. So it's like, okay, so like, and when one of them is. Dave Vinejoy Randolph, who is like the support, right? You cannot help but see Rachel McAdams as being

like runner up, as like de facto runner up, even though she's not, even though she's a winner of that. It can't help but feel that way. And I know that like that's not a reason I guess not to do it, but like, I don't know. I'm very much in terms

of like there are creative ways we just have to try things out and that it's fine to try things out it's tried to keep evolving this because like I do think that the purpose is meaningful behind it and I think it's a good thing that we should be doing and looking for solutions but if we're just like it doesn't work or like then that's not really solving a problem either that being said bitchy gay and me is like yeah but LA film critics awarded four women acting prizes this year am I going to complain about that no I mean I guess

not, and certainly, like, if that's the way it is, that's the way it is. But I also feel like we can allow, my sense is maybe the solution is just to allow these critics groups to pivot in the moment. And if there is a non-binary actor or a trans actor who does not feel, you know, not want to submit into one gendered category of another, then like, maybe we do things differently for one year. And like, you know what I mean? Rather than have this prescriptive structure that feels to me like it takes away from

the winners a little bit yeah I mean I still think that there's there's solutions to be had we just have to like sure sure you know but I was so happy regardless when Rachel McAdams

won that prize because like she really was kind of on the outside like this movie was definitely closer to an adapt Screenplay nomination than it was to a supporting actress nomination? Yeah, was that one of those years where it was heavily on the original side? And there was sort of a leaner, I guess not, because adapted, that was the year of Barbenheimer, right? So Adapted would have been, what was Adapted that? And American Fiction was winning the prizes, not Oppenheimer.

Yeah, American Fiction won the Oscar. Oppenheimer and Barbie were nominated. Poor Things was nominated, the zone of interest was nominated. I'm not sure what I would have thought felt vulnerable there. Whereas in original, you had Anatomy of a Fall winning, the holdovers was nominated, and then you had Maestro, May, December, and Past Lives, where I feel like there's maybe a little bit more of a, not that I would have ever wanted May December not to get that nomination,

but I feel like there was maybe more room to maneuver in that category. Mm-hmm. And then- Well, and there was definitely ineligibility happening over at Writers Guild, because this does get nominated by Writers Guild and adapted, but also got nominated, along with other Oscar nominees, was Nyad. The screenplay for the motion picture, LGBTQIA-plus experience, NIA. I've never been stung by a jellyfish, Chris. Then you look at supporting actress that year, speaking of Nyad, Oscar nominee Jody Foster for

Nyad as coach Bonnie. A lead performance. Yeah. Yeah. A co-lead performance that I think is the lesser of two co-leads, but yes. Not lesser in quality, but lesser... I mean, the better of two co-lead. No, but I mean in terms of, like, prominence within the story.

Sure. Anyway, Dave, and George Randolph wins for the holdovers. Emily Blunt is nominated for Oppenheimer, Jody Foster for Niyadh. And then America Ferreira, who I think in my estimation, got like the biggest surprise acting nomination of that morning. That was the maybe the one that I think fewest people were actively predicting. And I think it's because she was, was she nominated by SAG or Critics' choice, but nothing else? It might have been SAG. I cannot remember. America Ferreira Awards tab

Do me right Wikipedia Do me right Okay Unless you want to spend Four hours digging through it on IMDB Because Lord knows where they're

going to place things Barbie or SAG she's only nominated With the cast She is nominated at Critics Choice But Critics Choice had six nominees Per capita But I think between America Ferreira for Barbie

And then Danielle Brooks For the Color Purple Being like one of that movie's few nominations is she I think she was color purple's only nomination right so it does feel like also that like supporting actress

has some squishiness in there who was who was predicted that didn't get nominally oh I guess Julianne Moore huh? Because right because May December doesn't get anything boy that's still he got that screenplay nomination no but I mean acting wise that's still fucking sticks in my craw

we're gonna do that for Patreon at some point and I'm just gonna like just be Go off. It'll be a five-hour episode. It really will. I'm just going to be so fucking mean about it. But I do feel like there's a place. The problem is, as I often say, is that unless you are part of a movie that is getting other Oscar nominations lately, it's hard to become the lone nominee of your movie as an actor, as Danielle Brooks was able to do for the color purple. And I think also particularly when there's a limited length, like this movie wasn't in best picture conversations. The color purple was for a while. Well, and like this is a spring release. And the color purple was positioned as a contender from like very, very early on in the conversation. And are you there, God, it's me, Margaret, had a little bit more, you weren't quite sure whether this was going to be like, Lyle Lyle Crocodile.

You know what I mean? Just like a thing for kids. You know what I mean? Like that kind of a thing. And so I think once people realized how good the movie was and how good Rachel McAdams was, she's playing catch-up a little bit. And it's hard to do that. And I don't think she really likes to campaign all that much, too. Well, she's only ever been nominated once.

She was nominated for Spotlight. Again, this is how you get nominated is you're part of a movie that's getting a whole bunch of other nominations. And she was, I mean, to say she was. She's excellent in that movie. but that movie, that nomination probably doesn't happen without, you know, that movie being so heavily. She's carried along with the wave for spotlight, which is not to say that she's not great in that movie. You are right. But there are certainly other performances that she's given.

I mean, if you are, if you're talking in a pie in the sky, sort of like, you know, the academy of our wishes and dreams, she would be a contender for. a movie like mean girls, right? Because she's great, she's iconic, she whatever. But like, she's... All right, looking through her filmography, she's been in things that have gotten Oscar nominations, like Midnight in Paris. Midnight in Paris got quite a few Oscar nominations,

but nothing for the... She has the worst role to play. She has absolutely the worst role. And... And not the, like... If Midnight and Paris were to have gotten an acting nomination, it's probably going to be, oh, that's her and Kathy Bates together again. If that movie gets an Oscar nomination, it's probably for like, Corey Stoll. Yeah.

Corey Stoll. You know what I mean? They would probably just like pick out a- He really is. They would probably pick out a supporting character and sort of focus on that. But, and then she's also in, so like, she's in the Family Stone, which had Oscar buzz at the beginning of that season, but most of that went to Diane Keaton. I think she got a Critics Choice nomination, something. I think she got like one thing.

Sarah Jessica Parker got a Globe nomination as a lead. SIP, also great in that movie. She's in a movie, Morning Glory, again, a movie that we have done on this podcast before. that had a little bit of buzz in a kind of like working girl kind of a way. Again, for Diane Keaton. I think that one, at least, Rachel is the lead. Rachel is like the definite lead of that movie. But yes, there was buzz for Diane Keaton.

There was buzz for Harrison Ford. And I think ultimately, though I think that movie is very good, I think we sort of found out that like Oscar doesn't really have room for those kinds of movies anymore. much to my chagrin. Well, and I think when they do, you have to have this, like, kind of massive narrative hung on it. The way that something's got to give did get that nomination for Diane Keaton because it was this kind of comeback for Diane Keaton.

Yeah. Yes. I think that's right. And then you get movies like about time, which I think she's very good in, but that does not sort of, I think that exists in the like Richard Curtis corner and like those aren't really considered Oscar movies anymore.

And then you get movies like a most wanted man or, you know, that don't ever really become a thing, disobedience, that kind of a thing. So good in disobedience. She's nominated for Spotlight, which is the same year that Southpaw comes out, that Antoine Fukua movie Southpaw in which she plays a very kind of like Oscar-coded role, which is beleaguered girlfriend of a boxer who,

or a fighter who doesn't know when to hang him up, like that kind of a thing. And I'm glad that, I mean, partially it's because that movie kind of died on the vine. But also we were kind of spared Rachel Mike Adams getting an Oscar push for a role like that, which I find to be somewhat irksome, even though I'm on the record as thinking Amy Adams should have won the Oscar for the fighter, so maybe I'm just a hypocrite.

Game Night comes around in 2018, and I think that was a big part of it. I think Spotlight followed somewhat closely thereafter by Game Night, where people are like, shh, Rachel McAdams fucking rules, man. Like, she's great. And that is followed. I don't love Game Night as much as everybody else

kind of loves game night, but I love her in Game Night so much. She's so funny. She's great in Eurovision. And Jesse Plemons saying that can't be profitable for Fido Leigh is fantastic. Well, you are on the record as being a huge...

You don't understand Game Night because you spend that whole movie being like, why are they running away from Jesse Plemons? Like, I don't know. They should be running. Well, I mean, he plays a cop. Chris is like there's one good cop and he's Jesse Plemons. Isn't he the villain of that?

I'm not saying that. I mean, he has the villain of that movie, but he's like a, you know, he's a little bit of a benign villain, right? He's just sort of, I don't know. Listen, I got in at the Jesse Plemons level of other people, and I stayed there. You did not stay there. You have moved with Jesse throughout his career, I feel like. Yeah, I'm saying I. Oh, yeah, you haven't left.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, um, I imprinted. Yes. Yes. She was also during this time, oh, I guess it was the same year as Spotting. Like, 2015 was all coming up for Rachel. She was on the second season of True Detective, the really disappointing season of True Detective that everybody hated.

But I actually enjoyed her in that and made me wish she had been on a better season of that. I much prefer her in movies. I'm glad she has mostly stayed to the end of making movies. But she was good. There was something about her in this movie that I was like, I don't know if I'm ready for Rachel McAdams to be someone's mom. I had that same thought. necessarily spiritually.

But then I did the math on it. But she's so good at it. Then I did the math on it. And I was like, Rachel, this has been 20 years since mean girls. I know. And she was already playing significantly younger than herself in mean girls. You know what I mean? And she's playing a mother to a preteen.

It's, you know. Oh, the math, maths. But I'm not ready for it to be that way. Like, I'm not ready to accept that. Yes, I'm with you. But what you end up getting is because, again, Rachel McAdams is another actor of real incredible taste in terms of her choices within a scene, is that you get, much like a lot of other movies like the Family Stone, you get this performance that's actually elevating the movie with it because it's so much more like thoughtfully observed than it even needs to be. And it has this emotional well that like doesn't need to go as deep as she gives it.

but it's also not like showboaty or flashy. It's just like this fully realized person that you can connect with. Yeah. That like it's just what she's really good at. It is the type of thing that, you know, on the page might seem less than what the performance is, but she fills it with so much life. At what point are we going to get Rachel McAdams and Amanda Seifred back in a movie together? Oh, my God.

God willing. Right? That would be just for me. Right. They said he's done so much. God let him have this one. Let me tell you why I'm excited for Send Help, which opens very soon. Directed by Sam Ramey, but also directed by the director of Drag Me to Hell, you know what I mean?

Which gives me hope that there can be some really gnarly things. Because one of the things about Drag Me to Hell that I think is so notable is that, like, it has this real sort of pitiless gaze on its characters, and that's why the ending of that movie is such a gag. And I think it will allow Rachel McAdams to operate in a really fun arena. I'm so excited. I'm so excited for it. I am as high on Dylan O'Brien as I've ever been, and I've always been fairly Dylan O'Brien positive. So, like, I'm very, very excited to see him as her counterpart.

And the thing I said to Katie recently about Dylan O'Brien is especially what he went through with the maze runner movies where they they had to like reconstruct his face for that accident. Yeah. Yeah. Like it's impossible to not root for that guy. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, you know, I watched. Like, like an actor. Like he's obviously playing a bad guy. Right. No, right. But like, yeah. I mean, and I watched him back on the Teen Wolf days. So like I was, I was on border. Like also like cinematographer Bill Pope, you know, composer Danny Elfman. Like, it's going to be great. It's going to be really great. And I'm very excited.

And do you notice in the trailer that the one thing they're making fun of her is is they're watching her Survivor audition video? Oh. In the one scene? You can barely tell, but I think that's what they're doing, is that on the plane, they're like huddled on the plane watching her, somebody dug up her Survivor audition video and are laughing at it. And I'm like, you better get these boys.

Like Well, you know that was my thing The Gary's know that my thing was like, I saw that trailer and I'm like, she's supposed to be smelly, old and gross. Fuck you. Like, I resent being asked to believe Rachel McAdams says any of those things.

But I think that's also the Sam Ramey thing of just like, all right, like, we're gonna, you know. But this is the other thing that's exciting about her being in this movie that looks cool and fun, is that it's outside of the mode of anything she's ever done before. So you know, just like she usually does, she's going to be elevating this movie as well.

She's probably fucking incredible. Between this and Red Eye, though, if I see myself on a plane with Rachel McAdams, I am probably going to get off that plane. Much love to Rachel. I guess Red Eye is like a thriller, too. But this one is definitely going to be a very violent, bloody movie, which hopefully she's. Red Eye is one of those movies. where anybody who has seen that movie spends an inordinate amount of time convincing other people,

or just telling other people to watch that movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You will spend at least the amount, the running time of Red Eye in your lifespan telling people to watch that movie. It's one of those movies that just, like, forces you to just be like, have you seen Red Eye? Go watch it right now. It's 80-something minutes. Like, watch it right now. You can recommend it to anybody.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Even if it stars Colby Donaldson. who I am currently hoping gets eliminated very early on Survivor 50. Girl, same. Same, same, same, sip, sip, six. Let's talk about Kelly Freeman Craig, who, Craig.

Edge of 17, good movie. I understand that, like, my particular Buffalo accent causes me to say Craig instead of Craig. But if you aren't... Well, Craig is Milwaukee. Right. Here's what I want. If your name first or last is Craig slash Craig, let us know what you're preferred pronunciation is because I feel like sometimes like I'm short-changing it by just saying

Craig. Am I not also just saying Craig? Yeah, I guess maybe we both are. I don't know. It's spelled Craig, though. I don't know. It's sort of like how, do you ever run into somebody who says egg, egg? Yeah, people from Wisconsin.

Yeah. But like, why are there like certain people in Buffalo who do that? It's weird. Or like people who say roof. Just right across the water. People who say roof instead of roof. I don't understand you, people. Oh, my grandmother is, like, pure Pennsylvania in the, like, yoines roof.

Oh, is that a Pennsylvania thing? You know what my dad? You know what my dad says that I don't know where he gets this from? Bagel. Instead of bagel. A bagel. He says bagel. I don't get it.

Interesting. My grandpa, may he rest, called it Home Depot. Which I think is just sort of like, it's not really a pronunciation thing. That's just like a, maybe he hated the French just that much. But he called it Home Depot. Yeah. But I guess no, because he's keeping, he's not pronouncing the T in Depot. He's just, you know, just going to the Home Depot.

Yeah. Edge of 17, my quibble with that movie at the time was I didn't like how, at least I perceived the character to be like, yes, my depression is my fault. And I was like, oh, like that. But I loved that movie otherwise. And Haley Seinfeld. Maybe I'm settling into being like, I stand Haley Seinfeld. Because, like, I just rewatch True Grit. One of my favorite Coens sucked through.

I really want to see that movie again. Maybe I'll do a Haley double feature. Maybe that'll be good karma for the Bills. I'll do a Haley double feature of True Grit and Edge of 17 on Saturday morning. And then rewatch the Billscape. Why not? She's great in sinners. Everyone's great in sinners.

She was gorgeous at the Golden Globes. I loved her in Iowa debris together. Can I just say? I know I've said this to you and Katie. Oh, as presenters. Yeah, that was fun. It was one of those things where, because like, awards show banter, you know, is always going to be a mixed bag.

But theirs was very good, and they also had to deliver it very quickly. There was a whole banter about, like, TV is the thing you watch on your phone. And movies are the things you watch on your TV. And then there was a good bit about, like, I saw. I saw your movie in all formats, and it was like, you know, 70 millimeter and whatever, and like over somebody's shoulder on a airplane and on TikTok in 275 parts. But because they were in the later part of the award show, and they were significantly over time by that point, you could tell somebody was like, make it snappy,

and they delivered it so quickly, and they were so on point. And I put those two in a movie together, is what, put them in a comedy together. Stop making I.O. Make not comedies. Like, let her do what she's best at, which is being funny. Intentionally funny part of Ella McKay. Yes. Yes. I am just now realizing I'm sure Garees are already on board with this, and I'm the slow one that I'm like, we get to do Ella McKay in a year. Is that going to be our icebreaker episode for that year?

Well, the class of 2025 is next week. No, but what I'm saying is... I don't want to spoil that. No, but what I'm saying is, the first movie that we do, the first movie from 2025 that we do should be LMK. Yeah, but we decide that on the classic. Oh, do we actually, like, make that... I don't think we hold ourselves to the fire on that,

because I'm pretty sure for last year we said a movie that I'm like, I don't want that to be our feel breaker. I want to save this... We're breaking our word on that one, but you know what, listeners, you're going to enjoy how we break our word on that. That's fine. No, I'm very excited. for Ella McKay. And yes, Iowa Debris seen in that movie is fucking maddening. It's so,

and it's endless. It goes on forever and ever, and ever. It's crazy. Oh, my God. I saw, I back to back saw Ella McKay and the Shining in IMAX. And like, truly, Iowa Debris is in the background of that photo in the Overlook O. as her LMAK character still having that fucking scene. They are trapped in the time loop, baby. She's behind the bar, and she's just like, we've always been here, Mr. Torrance. We've always been having this conversation. Yeah, let I.O. make comedies, everybody.

She's really good at them. Let her and Haley Steinfeld make comedies together. They're both really good at them. All right. Haley Steinfeld really good at edge of 17. I should watch that again. So Kelly Freeman, Craig, one thing. I didn't realize was that she wrote the movie Postgrad, which I definitely saw with Tara

Ariano in the theater with Alexis Pladell. And then... Alexis Bladell is in the film, or you guys saw that movie with... We saw Postgrad starring Alexis Plade, just me and Tara. No, that would have been fun, though, if me and Tara and Alexis Bledale had seen Postgrad, which also stars Alexis Bledale. The Postgrad poster, I have it pulled up right now. It is Alexis Bledale. Is she making a face like... But she's holding up like a poster board of a woman who's definitely on the go to do some business.

She's in a skirt suit and holding a bag. And she's like, oh, how do I live up to that? This is who I'm trying to be and I can't be it. This is not not a poster for Ella McKay. It's true. It's true. And another take of that shot, Alexis Bledale is trying to get her shoe on and fail. I do want to be clear because I've just said multiple Elma K jokes in the span of five minutes.

Elimichay is bad, brackets, complimentary. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No. That is the vibe, right? I mean, it's at the very least baffling more than, I mean, it is bad. But like, at the very least, I love it. I love it so much.

You know how sometimes- The degree to which it is bad is the degree to which I love Ella McKay. You know how sometimes you look at a painting and you're like, I don't know if I like this, but like I want to figure out what it is that it's like trying to do. That's Ella McKay to me, where it's just like, I could stare at that movie for a while and be like, what's the best possible version of what you wanted to do here? And weirdly, that's been the case for James L. Brooks's last three movies. James L. Brooks, by the way, we should say...

More than three, probably. James L. Brooks, producer on Are You There, God, it's me, Margaret. And by all indication... Gracie Films logo. Callie Fernand Craig sent him the script and he agreed to produce it. And so, like, he saw something in this. So if James L. Brooks isn't directing good movies anymore, he, at the very least, has an eye for what makes for a good movie. So, yeah, seeing the Gracie Films logo at the beginning of a movie rather than at the end of a Simpsons episode is the most...

If the focus features logo at the beginning of a movie is the most calming thing, Seeing a Gracie Films logo at the beginning of a movie rather than at the end of a Simpsons episode is the most unmooring where you're like, where am I, what happened? What am I doing here? Oh, I get that. I feel like, I feel almost like emotion. Like, you know, if you, when you get like, when you've been stuck in like a hot train and it's like gross and sweaty and then you get you get out of the subway and you get that like first. blast of cool, fresh air. Yeah.

That's what the Gracie film's logo at the beginning of a film does to me. Interesting. Emotionally to my brain. It displaces me cosmically in a way where I have to like take a few seconds to be like, right, James L. Brooks is a movie. Sometimes they make movies rather than TV. I get it. It makes me feel like it's going to be okay.

All right. See, and for me, what that logo has always communicated to me, was we're either getting another Simpsons episode or it's time for Seinfeld. And I guess both of those things are good. So, like, neither one of those things are bad things. But, like, it definitely is a Pavlovian thing in my head, for sure. But, yeah, so Kelly Freeman Craig wins in 2016, when Edge of 17 comes out. She wins the New York Film Critics Circle Award for Best First Film.

She also is a nominee. at the DGA for first feature nomination, which is a thing that they have been doing since 2015. So that was only the second year that they had done a first feature award. And do-to-do-do-do. She loses to Garth Davis for Lion, which is a Best Picture nominee that year. So, like, that makes sense. And I think he was a DGA nominee in the regular category as well.

Right. He was nominated for both. I think that's right. If I remember correctly. Well, I have one click that I can go to that I can tell you, and you are absolutely right, yes. Has anybody else done that since then? I imagine Jordan Peel when he was nominated? Yes, he was.

So the very next year, Jordan Peel did that. Did they count Hill County, or did Romel Ross do it, too? What do you mean? Oh, Ramel Ross was won for Best First Feature, but I don't know if he was nominated for regular feature that year. He was not. Interesting. But anyway, what was I going to say? Oh, so a real mixed bag of nominees in 2016.

I think we talked about this when we did our Mary Magdalene episode, when we talked about Garth Davis, and that the other nominees are Kelly Freeman, Craig, for the Edge of 17. This is the Edge of 17, and then the gay one is just Edge of 17. I always think of it the other way around. Anyway. And then there's the Witch Edge of 17, and that's a song. Right. That is the Magic Witch of Sedona, Arizona. Yes. Dan Tractonberg nominated for Ten Cloverfield Lane.

Cool nomination. Very good. Dan Tractonberg, has he made a movie I haven't liked? I don't think so. I don't know what this Predator Killer of Killers thing is. That's the animated one. It was only on Hulu. I don't need to count that. So I'm just going to say Ten Cloverfield Lane, Prey and Predator Badlands. Good, good, good. So I am. I'm all in on Dan Tractonberg. I hope that when he levels up, he levels up to something that I want to see, rather than leveling up to like, I'm going to make the new Super Mario Brothers movie or whatever. You know what I mean?

And that, so those are the good ones. Nate Parker for the Birth of a Nation. Collar pull, collar pull, collar pull. And Tim Miller for Deadpool. Boo, thumbs down, boo.

So it really is kind of like a Goldilocks kind of thing where like Tim Miller, Nate Parker, the porridge is too cold. Kelly Freeman Craig, Dan Tractonberg, maybe the porridge is a little too hot, you know, can't really handle it. Garth Davis is the compromise choice dejoer. Lion, a good movie. I would vote for... I would be tempted to vote for Kelly Freeman Craig. If this was her debut and she was nominated for it, I would say,

say I would vote for this, but I would probably pull the trigger on 10, Cloverfield Lane. It's a really good movie. It's a really good movie. I should watch that again, too. I've only ever seen it the one time. John Goodman should have been Oscar nominee for that movie. Incredible. Incredible. The nominees for that award this year for 2025 are interesting. Eva Victor, who feels like has moved into the driver's seat in terms of first feature awards this year for Sorry Baby. There's always someone at the driver's seat. Can I tell you, by the way, speaking of the Golden Globes, we're recording this only a few days after the Golden Globes,

which is why it's still fresh in our minds, Julia Roberts, halfway to opening the envelope for Best Picture, Musical, or Comedy, and deciding to tell an anecdote about Kevin Hart and sort of like do a little business with him and then take like 30 seconds to evangelize Eva Victor and Sorry Baby and tell everybody in that room to watch Sorry Baby is peak Julia Roberts' experience,

which is, I understand I have a little job to do for you, but like, I'm going to take a moment for me. It's also Merrill Street with the Globes Code. That's what Katie said, too. And like, yes, absolutely. It's what about... Also, if Eva Victor gets the spree-play nomination,

she needs to send an edible arrangement to Julia Roberts House. One million percent. But I loved that. I thought, and I could tell that there were probably some people being like, get on with it. It's 1115.

But I was like, do your thing, Julia. Absolutely. I loved it. Her strawberry necklace, you know I was obsessed. Her strawberry necklace nestled in between some like really well-looking decoletage. Like, well done, Julia. Like, very good. Anyway, Eva Victor nominated. Alex Russell for Lurker, which would be my pick because you know how much I loved Lurker. You still haven't seen it. No, I've seen it. We've talked about Lurker. What is it that I keep trying to push you to see and you haven't seen yet in this regard? You've seen the plague. Yeah. I don't know. I guess there was a while there where you hadn't seen Lurker. I saw Lurker like early December maybe. We talked about this because I think we've even talked about this on Mike because I'm like all the fake pop music in that.

Oh yes, we have talked about it. It's really good fake pop music. Harry Lighten for Pillion, a movie that I was ever so slightly oversold on, unfortunately, I think. It's very sweet. People should go see it. I do think it's a little, respectfully, it's a little screenwriting 101. I don't disagree. I liked it.

I wouldn't be nominating it for things. The like A plus thing to recommend that movie for is Harry Melling. Harry Melling is such a good actor. Yeah, I'm excited to see him in more things, but like Pillion was kind of a B, B, not quite a B plus for me. Charlie Pollinger for The Plague, a movie I really, really liked. Although, of the two Everett Blunk movies, it is my second favorite. It is clearly my second favorite, Everett Blanc. Griffin and Summer is the one for me.

And then the one movie of these that I haven't seen, which is the president's cake, Hassan Hadi, for the president's book. That nomination made me so happy. That's a good movie. Is this movie up for? It is a rock's entry for International Feature. Did it make the shortlist? Sony Classics is releasing it.

I honestly at the top of my head at this hour of the evening that we're recording, forget if it made the short list, I'd be surprised if it didn't. Sony Classics knows what they're doing. It's gotten like a decent number of points for the Fantasy League for being, you know, such a small sort of unassuming movie. I should see it.

I think I got a screener for it or... It's in the Sony Classics block. You have access to it. But you really liked it. I really, really liked it. When did you see it? Another movie with just like an excellent child performance. Like, when I first saw it, I was like, anybody with a critics choice ballot that's not nominating this child is like just wrong.

Oh, and this one, this had won the camera door at, at. Yes. Yes. It played in Directors Fortnight. Yes. And it won the audience award at Directors Fortnight. So yeah. Big fan of the president's cake.

listener go see the president's case. I like that Directors Guild does this. I think this is a much more interesting, oftentimes interesting award than the nominees for feature film, particularly this year I thought the nominees for feature film were just like, yeah, well, yeah, obviously those are the five. Well, I like it too, because as we were saying, these first

feature prizes, and that's why I like that New York gave it to Kelly Freeman Craig for at the edge of 17 is like there tends to be, like you said, someone at the driver's seat of those categories. Someone who wins all. And it's just, it's nice to see a lineup of nominees. And honestly, DGA, as much as we talk about their, you know, main, what do we even call this prize? Just their best director prize.

Yeah, their best feature film. It can skew populist. I do think that they've made smart choices for their first feature. Like they had like They nominated Atlantics One of my favorite movies It's Maddie Diop's debut They tend also to sort of look into

All different corners of movies For this kind of thing It's never It's like one of those categories throughout the season That I feel like people are actually doing the work To figure out what should be there Would you ever advocate for the Oscars To add a first feature category

To be honest Like I feel like If we're trying to get the Oscars a little bit of a facelift. I think that would be a really cool way to do it. I've seen some people mention that it might be, that would be annoying that we would get decisions made. That would be sort of fudging reality in terms of like, you know, somebody. The way that Grammys are best new artists for people who've been making music for a decade. Right. But I feel like there's a way to do it really cut and dried. Like I feel like...

Debut feature, period. Yeah. Yes. First... And that can include nonfiction. So it's like Ramel Ron. would not have been eligible for the Nickel Boys. Right. You can limit it to, yeah, narrative feature or whatever. Yes. But maybe he would have not been nominated for Hale County, you know,

because that got a documentary nomination. Oh, so you are saying that documentary feature directors would be eligible for... Absolutely. Okay. Like, that's just the clear, hard cut off. If it is your first feature-length film, then there you go. But, like, I don't know. As we, like, it's getting towards 100 years.

We're closing in on 100. It'll be ABC's last Oscars will be the 100th. Are we going to hit a decade of the show the year of the 100th Oscars? Am I realizing this in real time on Mike? Well, this is the 98th. We'll hit 400 this year, so we will hit 10 years in 2028. Wow. Donald Trump, you better not fuck this up before we get there.

I mean. We better be. standing on solid ground by the time two years. We better have an earth. Anyway, we're not going to doom spiral. That is one of my New Year's resolutions, not to doom spiral. It's a good resolution. We are trying to be a place for joy for people to get away from shit.

But anyway, yeah, I think I'm going to start advocating now that there is a bright YouTubey future where time is maybe not going to be as much of an issue, I will be advocating for a best first feature. I think that I don't want to hear breakthrough. I think breakthrough, enter, gives you... Breakthrough means something different to every single person. It's too squishy. It's too up to interpretation.

First feature, debut feature. Yes. Yes. Yep. All right. What else do we want to talk about? Let's see. Do we have anything else to say about Rachel McAdams in this movie?

I feel like you got, you did a lot of weight. You pulled a lot of weight in the plot description of all of her sudden tears. So the scene that everybody talked about at the time in rightly, and goes viral every once in a while since then is the scene where she tells Margaret about her parents essentially disowning her when she decided to marry a Jewish man. And it's sort of cliche to talk about like it's her restraint in that scene. But like she does such a good job of playing a person who does not want to fall to pieces in front of her daughter and wants to project strength, but also doesn't want to sort of

allow herself to feel all of what these you know this has made her feel all of the rejection and all of the sadness or whatever and it's really I mean and it's another cliche to say you see it all

pass over her face but like you really do see so much pass over her face in that scene and it's really incredible. She's such a toes up performer too. It's not just like her face it's her posture. It's like everything that she's doing physically, the control she has over her voice, you know, allows all of those cracks to show.

And it's also the thing of like she doesn't want to lie to her daughter, but like she maybe doesn't want to show the full emotional truth. Like it's... Then you get that later scene after Margaret, after, you know, there's the blow up in the living room with the grandparents. And Margaret's like, everybody shut up. I don't even believe in God. And she stomps upstairs. and what's her character's name is Barbara right McAdam's character's name is Barbara Barbara looks at her husband and she's like this is my fault and and she's starting to sort of

choke up and he's like no it's not your fault and she just sort of like wordlessly like points upstairs to Margaret and goes like this like taps herself on her chest to be like this is me this is not me it's so good it's so like just feels incredibly real and then the last one where, you know, after Margaret has her first period and Barbara says, you know, Margaret says like, oh, I've been practicing with a pad forever, so she doesn't need Margaret, doesn't need Barbara to show her how to, you know, maneuver the pad. And so Barbara says that thing that, like, you know, I imagine hits mothers like a knife to the chest, which is, I guess you don't need me anymore. And, you know, and then she exists in a room and she doesn't say it spitefully

or like whatever. She's just, you know, you've got this. You know, you don't need me. And then she walks out of the bathroom and she has that perfect expression of happiness and pride in her daughter and also sad that like, you know, she's not a kid anymore, you know? And it's... Which is perfect. It is perfect. And it's the type of everyday life thing that is hard to make... cinematic, you know? Because like I think, you know, even in life we can take those type of things for granted. But like, making it have a narrative arc is difficult to do, especially as an actor. And some of that is being able to project all of those very internal beats in a way that's not look at me acting, for lack of a better term. Yeah. Yes. And it shows you she's never an actress who you would really peg as like a technician. But I imagine it takes a lot of technique to be able to do that and to be able to conjure that kind of stuff. And I think when actors talk about technique, you sort of, to a lay person, it sounds pretentious or whatever. And when people talk about like acting as a thing that you train for, I think a lot of people sort of imagine. that it sounds pretentious.

But the more I, the older I get and the more I sort of, you know, watch movies and watch people talk about movies and whatever, the more I am convinced that like, for as annoying as it sounds, like, acting's really hard. You know what I mean? And that, like, the technique of it, I don't just mean that, like, it's really hard to be a great actor because, like, so much of that involves personality and some sort of, like, inner light and having a great face and having a great comportment or whatever. But I think the technique of acting, which is to make yourself emotionally available to any kind of emotion that

is required of you, and to be able to conjure that in a way that, you know, is useful to the movie and you're able to become, you know, malleable to your director and whatever. And the process of making yourself that kind of a, for lack of a less annoying term, conduit, is, I imagine, incredibly fucking difficult. And the more, the older I get, and the more I find myself to be sometimes challenged in, like, regular conversation to express how I really feel in a way, you know what I mean? The more I'm just like, fuck. And that's why I'm always when people are just like, you know, talk about or like complain about an actor saying something weird or acting weird in a certain way. And I'm just like, it's insane that we expect actors to have emotional

normalcy given what we ask them to do. What we require of them to do their job. Yes. It's crazy. Also, also on that point that it's like maybe because they have to do that for their job, maybe it's harder for them to even do it in real life sometimes on the opposite end of the spectrum. But all of that is to say, I think Rachel McAdams is stealthily a very, very skillful, technically skillful actress. Yes. And I would also piggyback on that. That hits like, all of this is true of her as a performer.

And it's very frustrating that it feels like we who love movies, we who talk about movies, we who write about movies. We're all clearly very on board with like Rachel McAdams one of the greats like currently. Particularly those of us who like were at impressionable ages when mean girls happened. You know what I mean? It's just the type of thing that it's like all of those cliches of how the industry views its own are true of how like they seemingly are not as on board

with Rachel McAdams being so great because they're like, oh, Rachel McAdams, she makes all of those romance movies. She made teen movies. She made The Notebook. And it's like, yeah, people can be great in those movies, too. And they can stay great and do different types of things. Like Rachel McAdams is seemingly at this point doing work that allows her to do things that she hasn't done otherwise. Yeah. She's also a good Canadian.

and Canadian excellence. Canadian excellence. Yep, 100%. One of the great Canadian exports. York University's own, Rachel McAdams. Yeah. What else do I have in my notes? Grandma Sylvia's gold silk bedsheets. You better work, bitch.

Oh, we haven't really talked about Kathy Bates in this movie, but beyond her being very much not Jewish. I mean, she's good in the movie. Kathy, I think, is just kind of tasked to be. fun. You would maybe get more from someone who is more conceivably Jewish. Yes. One thing I wanted to look up is, okay, so this novel is published in 1970. I'd be curious to know what were the inspirations for Judy Bloom when she was writing this novel about how religious strife makes everybody miserable. You know what I mean?

Like, what's happening globally, internationally around this time? Like, was there a particular Middle Eastern conflict or whatever that was, like, really spurring, or like, you know, something in Ireland or, you know, in Northern Ireland or something? I mean, it's slightly post-boomer, you know, you have that mid-century, here's the life that you can have, and this is what you follow, and it'll make you happy. And religion was part of that, right? Yeah, it's just an interesting thing. It's just an interesting thing to have been written. the midst of the Vietnam conflict, which was never really framed as anything particularly religious as opposed to political. But it's one of those things where it makes sense that

a younger character sort of latches onto that, this idea that like religion makes no sense. It just makes everybody yell at each other, like that kind of a thing. I think everybody sort of grows up at some point and has the, you know, very mature sounding realization that, like, religion is the reason why there are wars. You know what I mean? Like that kind of thing is just like... Well, and religion is kind of a more interesting avenue to discuss this material than like what it's been for decades most controversially talked about, which is just like having a period,

you know and puberty let's made this a very sillily silly is not a word very it's a controversial book for silly stupid-ass reasons of just like we can't have people talking about we can't have people saying that they don't believe in God or that God is you know or that we can't have a book for children about how children get periods like it's yeah anyway what's the thing that they say when they they they they they get, they smuggle out the anatomy book that one of their dads has. And they're looking at the drawing of the, like, the stock standard diagram of the human penis, right? The one that's in like every, like, health class book or whatever. And they're all looking at it. And the one says it looks like, and I can't remember what she says it looks like. It looks like a thumb. That's what the one said.

It looks like a thumb. This is very funny. Grandma Sylvia's gold bed sheet. It's fantastic. They see the Pirates of Penzance. Rockettes. Front row for the Rockettes. Front row for the Rockettes.

Oh, the seats at the Delacourt are so fucking small. I really, really, they go to see Pirates of Penzance at the Delacourt, which is the theater in Central Park, when they do Shakespeare in the park, whatever. I went to it one. They just got a Reno, right? Did they? I went to it one time, and I vowed to never go again because my fat ass had to wedge myself into one of those seats, and I hated every bit of the experience. even though I was watching Into the Woods with Amy Adams. It's probably only worse to go to the Lyceum.

I've been to the Lyceum, though. The Lyceum's okay. Even I'm like, who I'm like, I've sat in some very uncomfortable theater seats. The Lyceum is rough. I think, at least with most Broadway houses, you at least can find, like, a good seat somewhere. Like, the cheap seats are probably bad at most theaters or whatever. The other thing about the Delacourt that they don't show you in this movie is there are raccoons just all over that stage. Just all over that stage.

Some of them are in Amy Adams' wig. It's honest to God. That's kind of all I have. The soundtrack. Is there a section of this that mentions the soundtrack? On IMDB. I wish it was on the Wikipedia page. But yes, let me look at it on IMDB because it is, and again, it's not really

super showy, but it's like who do you get on this soundtrack? You get the guess who? Yes. Also geniusly used in universal language. The guess who? Stevie Wonder Harry Bell. Oh, you get... Well, I mean, Signs He'll Delivered is like clearly

everybody's soundtrack of childhood from the 70s because it's in every young adult movie set in the 70s. You get the, you get you know, cinema's second great jump in the line moment. Obviously it's iconic for Beetlejuice, but sometimes it's about a young girl dancing around in her bedroom with her bra or whatever. The Joan Baez version of the night they drove old Dixie Down, which I think is very, very beautiful.

You get a Peggy Lee in there. You get the drifters in there. You get some dusty Springfield in there. I know son of a preacher man is not exactly rare, but... And great use of Kat Stevens at the end there, which always makes sense. me think of Almost Famous, because that's a song that Kate Hudson sort of twirls to in that empty gymnasium and almost famous. But love a movie that can end with some vibesy Cat Stevens. That's really wonderful. Anything else for you?

I mean, I didn't want to go fully into it because it feels like we talked about it in our Book Smart episode, but like the Shadow of Lady Bird, I think, is a thing on a movie like this. Absolutely. And this couldn't be more different of a movie, even though it's a movie. about a mother and daughter. I think in the intentions of like and what it's about, you know, this isn't really structured as memory. This is much more straightforward.

Not to like say that this is less because it's different, but like people can be reductive in, even when they're being pro something, to be reductive in like why something should be in the conversation. There was certainly a lot of conversation of, well, why isn't

are you there, God, it's me, Margaret, in the, as much in the conversation as Lady Bird was. I don't think that's helpful. I agree. I agree. Yeah, great movie. I will watch this movie a bunch more times.

Do we know what Kelly Freeman Craig is working on? I thought I just saw something announced on, like, deadline. Let's see if it's been reflected in filmography. Gotcha, it was the screenwriter on that movie. Well, one of the screenwriters, her and Meg Dilley. on that movie Ordinary Angels, the Christian drama that starred Hillary Swank. I suppose that's one thing that I would not want to get out of the episode without saying. I do think it's interesting that movies not within the realm of, you know, what we would call Christian movies are grappling with religion in recent years.

You have this movie. You have Wake Up Dead Man. And I think in ways that take it very seriously and, you know, have some grace about them with this when we don't really see that in movies. And it's, I would argue, much more effective than those more overtly, you know, religious Christian cinema. That's like you watch the trailer, those things. And it's like, I know. Can I take a— Can I take a quick bathroom break before we do IMD again?

Of course. Thank you. Hello. Hello. Of course, I immediately pull up my Angler Pondets page to be like, do I need to be predicting Sorry Baby an original screenplay? Yeah, I got to do that. Maybe I'll do that tonight while I watch something.

Maybe I'll go off and put it in my 10th place for picture. Whoa. That's bold. I like boldness. Well, I updated everything today, and I waffled so much on my 10th place that I'm like... 10th place is pretty up in the air. I put Bologna.

It's not a bad guess. It's just not going away, the way that I thought it was just going to go away. I agree. I agree. And Oscar voters have shown that they like Jorgos. It's also just very clear that it's a movie that people have seen. Yes. Whereas, like, I don't know if they saw Sorry Baby. I am very, very, very pro Emma Stone in general.

I will be very disappointed if she gets into best actress. over somebody like Kate Hudson. The well needs... She's great in the movie. I like her more in this than I liked her in poor things. The well needs to fill for a while. I agree.

That slot could go to a lot of people. And I do think at this point it's going to go to her. Yeah, probably. Whatever. I think I'm going to predict Kate Hudson and be willing to just be disappointed and wrong. Predict Kate Hudson instead of Renata. I mean...

Although I will say, there was a moment where it really seemed really bad after the SAG nominations for sentimental value. And then it quickly picked up a few other nominations, some places that I'm like, it's going to be okay. Especially when Neon got zero nominations at SAG, it really kind of feels like they just didn't. This was the thing. I think people latched on to the idea that like no international nominees. And I'm like, well, yes, but it's also no nominees from Neon. So, like, neon was the entire contingent for possibilities for international. So if that one company didn't do a really good job of getting their movie to the voters,

which it sounds like they maybe didn't, particularly online screeners, like they're good with the DVD books. But a lot of people don't have DVD players. And I think from what I had heard that they were very, very late getting online screeners to SAG voters. Interesting. That is what I hear. Also, SAG is always a little crazy in a way you don't want them to be. And I think this year it's Miles Katten. I didn't mind. Nominating him over Jeffrey or Delroy Lindo is crazy. I didn't mind some of the omissions that people were sort of like so freaked out about like sentimental value, not getting anything. I was like, all right. Well, there are lots of good people this year. You know what I mean? Like there's just a lot less heat around that movie too. Yeah. But like I. I generally was like, again, I'm a Kate person, so I was very glad that she got nominated.

But I think in general, I was like, I'm okay with a lot of these surprises. I was, you know, am I being too wishful thinking in thinking that Ariana might also miss a nomination? I was debating this myself. Okay. So at this point, I'm predicting everybody who's gotten in with the three. We're going to have included this, by the way. This is all saying. No, like, genuinely.

This is, people, like, want us to talk about this kind of stuff more, I think. Okay. Okay, so I'm currently, I have in my predictions, though I do not consider myself a prognosticator. Yeah. Everybody who hit all of the three precursors, Globes, SAG, and Critics' Choice, I'm just predicting those. but like there's always someone right like there's always someone yeah who hits those and then misses yep who's that going to be i'm thinking about doing that as an article and we'll see i will see if they take my pitch but you'll get some public as mad at you at the last minute okay well i'll take

the heat i'll take the heat for nate because nate's the one on the official you know gold rush duty so I'll take the heat. That's fine. They'll forget about it by the time Amy's coming around. But yes, I am always fascinated by that. There's so little wind in the sales of Wicked at this point. When I say nominated for the Globe and Sag but doesn't get Oscar nominated, who's the first person you think of? Nominated for Globe and Sag and doesn't get nominated. Yeah. Like off the top of your head. Like who's the first person you think of who that happened to? I mean, I want to say Ronado, but she's not nominated for SAC. No, no. No, I mean, in the

past. Oh, in the past. Yes. Who, when I say that, like, who suffered that fate? Because I always immediately think Milakunis and Black Swan. I'm like, who's going to be

the Milakunis and Black Swan? I mean, you maybe could have said, just because if they're a younger performer, you could maybe say Jacob Allorty, but Jacob Allorty won critics' choice. Or Chase Infinity.

But I think Chase Infinity is looking real good. Because of the movie. See, this is why I'm like, I don't think that Regina Hall is entirely out until she is not nominated. I agree. See, this is one funny thing about movies for grownups this year. With the exception of Clooney, the other three acting winners at movies for grownups have been nominated for nothing else. Well, Regina Hall, I think, got nominated some.

Doesn't she nominated at like Gotham's or something like that? I'm not including Gotham's in that. Okay. But anyway, yes. I don't think she was nominated at Gotham. But you're right. Dern and Delroy. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really interesting. Yeah. Yeah, I think, I think it's, especially as like one battle looks steadily unstoppable, this is how she gets the Marina de Tavira nomination. See, that is somebody you bring up a lot who's going to be this year's Maria Dantavira. And like I would be Regina Hall. Sure, but like my thing is, we just hardly ever get a Marina de Tavira. Like, it's so rare that that actually has.

happens. But when it happens, it's with a steamrolling movie, even if it doesn't ultimately complete the steam rolling. I agree. I agree. I mean, honestly, like, that was kind of the America Ferreira nomination, sort of. Anyway. IMDB game. Would you like to explain the IMDB game to our listeners? Yeah, every week we end our episodes with the IMDB game, a game in which we challenge each other with the name of an actor or actress, and then we try and guess the top four titles that IMDB says they are most known for. If any of those titles are television shows, voice-only performances, or non-acting credits, we will tell the other person that up front. After two wrong guesses, we will then give the remaining titles release years as a clue. And if that is not

enough, it just becomes a free for all of hints. All right. How are we doing this? Are you giving first? Are you guessing first? I'll guess first. All right. So I went the Kelly Freeman Craig Rout, and I went to the cast of The Edge of 17, who is second build in that movie, but Haley Lou Richardson. Haley Lou. The great Haley Lou. I got, what's the line in Kitty Girl? I got the whole world singing, Haley Lou. Oh, boy.

We don't need to be quoting that person in 2026, but. Chris, the boogeyman's not going to come down and do anything if we mention Shmangela. You know what we need to bring up? That's my resolution for 2026. Not being afraid to say the names of canceled people like their fucking Voldemort. That's my. I'm not afraid. I just don't want to talk about her.

She doesn't get a dollar every time we say her name. Like we're not enriching her. I saw somebody the other day on threads, the worst, the worst social platform. No, no, nothing's worse than Twitter, but like it's really bad. concerned trolling fucking Hudson Williams because he didn't shut down somebody in his mentions who was trying to engage in Hufflepuff or Slytherin talk and trying to...

In his mentions? Yes. In his like Instagram comments. And being like, you have to understand... He needs to pay attention to people in your comments. You have to understand... No, like engaged with him in a way that wasn't shutting this guy down. And being like...

Oh, I see. it was actually engaged. And being like, you have to understand that like these things are very harmful. That woman is very harmful to the queer community. And we count on, you know. She is. Well, she is. But also it's just like the guy just said like, oh, I'm not a Hufflepuff.

I'm a Slyther and whatever. Fucking. It's also not. Don't be a fucking freak. That's my whole thing. Having debates about the comments section. Let's live in the room. Let's put both of our feet on the ground.

Not 2020 anymore, folks. We're not doing this anymore. Take a deep breath of oxygen. Drives me fucking crazy. Anyway. I don't need to think about a comment section, let alone engage. Also, the way that people talk... Except for the garris, we love engaging with you guys.

The way that people talk as if they are like the official spokesperson for the community, need to stop. Like, need to step outside. It's a whole, ugh, ugh. Anyway. Well, there's a difference between being useful and not being useful. I don't know if getting into a debate about that in the comment section is particularly useful. There's other ways to maybe be a little more useful, like not giving that awful woman any of your money or algorithmic attention.

But also just like, just fucking stop being fucking freaks. That's what I want to say. Stop being fucking freaks in 2020s. Um, Haley Lou Richardson, the great Haley Lou Richardson. Yes. Okay. Oh, there is one television show. Oh.

Oh, White Lotus. White Lotus. Okay. The thing about Haley Lou Richardson is, all of the things that jump to mind are these kind of like middle tier movies that she's great in, but I'm like, are they the kinds of things that show up on an IMD be known for? or is it going to be things where she's like barely in it? Oh, you know what one of them probably is?

Is split. Split is incorrect. Okay. I'm not saying I gave you something easy. I just found one. We've literally never done Haley Lou Richardson. And at this point, if I like, oh, let me look at this person and we've truly never done them, you get what you can. Is one of them edge of 17?

No. Okay. All right. Give me the years. Give me the years. Your years. 2017, 2019,

2020. 2017. 2020, I guess we've never really, this is going to give it to you, but that's fine, because this is difficult. No,

that's okay. Let me. No, this is some necessary business, I think. All right. We always say TV for television shows,

but are we saying TV for TV movies. Which this, I would say, is technically a TV movie? Is it a TV movie or is it like a thing that like premiered on Hulu because it was the pandemic? No, I think this was made for this streaming platform. If I remember quickly. Okay.

All right. I will think on that. I think we should say in that case, if it's like an HBO like made for TV movie, yes, I think we should say TV. I agree. Okay. Is one of them support the girls? No. That was 2018 or was it also 2019?

Support the girls, 2018. All right. After Yang is not any of those years. It is not. 2017, 2019, and 2020 TV movie. Okay. 2017, so that's the year after

Edge of 17 Dang, okay Is she a lead in any of these? She is, I believe, the lead in the 2020, a co-lead in 2019. I haven't seen the 2019 movie. 2017, she is, if not co-lead, she is second build supporting.

Shit, okay. Are these all like movies for teenagers? Uh, one of them, sure. Are any of these movies like, um, this girl has a terminal illness and can't leave her bedroom? Fuck. Yes. Fuck. I can never remember the titles of these things.

Is it like the whole world's is mine or like, um, um, uh, fucking. No, no. I know the one you're talking about. That's not her. What the fuck is that title, though? Shit. It's the one with Charles Melton, right? Yeah, I think so.

What's... No, not Charles Mountain. No. There was a bunch of those, like, Girl Can't Leave Her Root. Yes! Yes! Okay, I'm just gonna read you...

Is that the 2019 one or the 2017 one? It's 2019. I will also say this movie, when I saw this, I was like, oh, yeah, this is a pandemic movie because they released it because of things we were doing in the pandemic. Yeah. No. Social distancing.

Social distancing. Is that the title? Is that the title? Social distance. And I think it might have blown up on Netflix during the pandemic or something because, like, truly the fucking title. Is it like? Stella spends most of her time in the hospital as a cystic fibrosis. this patient. Her life is full of routines, boundaries, and self-control, all of which get put to

the test when she meets Will, a charming boy who has the same illness. I mean, this is all fault in their star's core. Like, oh, so it does the... This is the first thing on her known for. The title sounds like social distance. This title sort of, um... Yes. like a room of one's own. A different movie, very different movie. No, obviously. Is distance in the title? No.

Distant? No. Alone? No. What? Solitary? How do you measure distance? How do you measure, measure a distance?

I don't even remember the lyrics that fucking sign. in cups of coffee. How do you measure distance? In inches, feet. In midnights, obviously. Miles. In laughter. Kilometers.

Yards. How about love? How about love? That wasn't the great rent trailer. The great rent trailer was the second one with no day put today. Anyway. You said yards. Yes.

Is it yards? No. What's in a yard? Feet. 20 feet to start. 20 feet to occur. Blank feet, blank. It sounds like social distancing.

Six feet away? No, no. 10 feet away? Close. No. Three feet away? Is it a number? It's a number feet blank, not away, but...

Closer? Um, God, four feet, five feet, eight feet, five feet, five feet, five feet blank. Five feet. When you're social distancing, you are five feet what? Away. Five feet, five feet, perimeter. If I told you to stand five feet blank of each other. Clear, apart, five feet apart.

Apart, five feet apart. I have never. heard that title in my entire God-loven life. All right. Who's the boy? Wait, no, who's the boy in it? Cole Spouse. Perfect.

This movie was the second actually feature film available on its new streaming platform. Peacock. In 2020. Peacock. No.

Paramount Plus. No. HBO Max. 20. HBO Max. Okay. Second dramatic film available. Direct to HBO Max.

Correct. And not the, we're putting it in theaters and on HBO Max, just on HBO Max. Was Kimmy one such movie? I know Kimmy's not for Haley Lou, but I'm just curious. Or was Kimmy a movie that was... Kimmy, I think, was 2021? Was it? Okay. Why is Kimmy not on this list?

Let Them All Talk was December of 2020, so... This was earlier. Earlier than the witches. She's the co-lead of this? Yes. She is first billed. Is it a comedy? It is a comedy drama about a topical issue.

About politics. No, but a politically charged issue. that has remained politically charged. Abortion. Yes. Oh, it's, um, oh, with Barbie Ferreira, right? Correct. What's the title?

I liked this movie, too. I really did like this movie quite a bit. Imagine it having an original song by... Unpregnant. Yes. Yes. I wish I could tie you up in my shoes and make you feel unprignant too. Yeah, I like it.

Yes. I never got to see it and got to see it. Like, it's not just sitting there waiting for me. I'm sure I would like it too. Yeah, it was cute. All right. Still one more movie, 2017. I think I would count on pregnant as just a regular movie, not TV, if pressed, now that I see it.

Wasn't it made for HBO Max, though? I don't. I mean, yes, but there are things that are made for Netflix that are movies. You know what I mean? I think when you're talking about a streamer versus a network, I think it's different. Anyway, 2017. She's just a kid, and life is a nightmare. You guessed a different movie by the same director.

Okay. I guessed. Or you at least mentioned it. I don't think you guessed it. How far back did I guess it? From the very beginning, basically. Is it another Support the Girls movie? Bajalski, no.

Is it another? Oh, Boopo Bo Bo Bo Bo Bo Bo Bo Bo Bo Bo Bo Bo Bo Bo Bo Bo Bo Bo Bo Bo Bo. Oh, is it a coconut? It's Columbus. It is Columbus, correct. Right. I forgot. Yes.

Okay. God darn you, Chris. That was very difficult. I feel now slightly less bad because I'm about to give you one that is a little bit challenging as well. I love that. I went into also the Kelly Freeman Craig filmography. I went to post-gram.

and that is another movie where the main character has an iconic grandma, and in this case, the grandma was played by Carol Burnett. Carol Burnett has one television show. I seriously thought you were about to give me a Lexus Bladell. Carol Burnett is definitely easier for me than Alexis Bladale. I bet you Alexis Bladell is at least half traveling pants. Yeah. And then Gilmore Girls.

I would bet that Gilmore Girls is not... All right, I'm going to look at this. I'm going to guess, cold, that Gilmore Girls is inexplicably not on Alexis Bledells. I think Handmaid's Tale... Do you want to put money down right now? Yes, I'm going to say it's not Gilmore Girls. If she has any television show, it'll be Handmaid's Tale. What's the money?

What's the bet? $20. Okay. Sisterhood of the traveling pants, the first one. Sin City. Tuck Everlasting. Fuck, Gilmore Girls. Fuck.

No, Gilmore Girls. You got it. It is on there? 20 bucks Venmo 2 night baby I will I will Fucker But it's not first Usually a signature

It's third It's third It's third TV role is first Yeah On this case How many episodes 153 it marks her down for

No that should be number one Yeah It's true Talk Everlasting before Gilmore Girlf No talk everlasting was the fourth one I just sort of I read him in a

Clockwise circle All right Carol Burnett One television show three films. The Carol Burnett Show. Yes. Annie. Yes.

The four seasons, just because people were looking at it. Yes, you fucker. Yeah. Good God, I hate you. Hmm. What other Carol Burnett movie? Give me fucking five feet apart and you get the four seasons without you're going to a hint.

Oh God, what other Carol Burnett movies? We just don't think of her for that. I guess I should just guess stuff, right? Because she also just, like, was just Carol Burnett for a while. She didn't really, like, she wasn't in 90s movies, right? Like, she didn't happen to show up in one of the, Tina Faye movies. Can I tell you something interesting when I

prune the credits list to just sort by type? She only has 15 feature film credits. No, I believe it. I believe it. 15 even seems high. And I wonder how many of those are basically just glorified cameos.

A lot of them are voice work towards the end. Wasn't she in the front page? Didn't we do the front page and she's in that? The front page. She is in the front page. That is not one of her known for. So that is one strike. But good guess.

That's fine. Good, good point. Fine. I will just, I just want my ear. I'm going to say baby mama. No, she is not in baby mama. She is, all right. So your year is 1992. Okay, so great. Just entirely proving myself wrong.

92 comedies. Is it something like sneakers? It is not something like sneakers. So no ensemble. It's based on a play. Oh, it's noises off. Yes. It's noises off.

I've never seen noises off in any iteration. I've definitely seen it, but not recent. This cast is very early 90s. Carol Barnett, Michael Caine, Denholm, Elliot. By the way, Denholm Elliott was the name that I was trying to think of when we were talking about people I thought were in Hannah and her sisters. And it's because he was in... No, he's not. Well, no, but I think he's also in passage to India around that mid-80s time.

Got it. But I was also maybe kind of thinking of Klaus Maria Brandauer, who was in out of Africa around that time. Anyway, Julie Haggerty, Mary Lou Hanner, Mark Lynn Baker, Christopher Reeve, John Ritter, Nicolette Sheridan. An actress named Katie Rich, so that's interesting. Anybody at the bottom of the cast that we should know about? Okay. Yes, noise is off. Directed by, of course, Peter Bogdanovich. Should I see it? Should I seek it out?

I mean, it's a fun play. It's got a poster with a El Hershfeld style, maybe even a specific El Hirschfeld illustration. So that's nice. God damn you getting the four seasons. I really thought I was going to hang you up on that. Fucker. All right.

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