This Had Oscar Buzz - 382 – Get Low

Episode Date: March 9, 2026

We keep losing movie legends, but this week we wanted to memorialize the great Robert Duvall. In 2010, the actor entered the race with Get Low, a tale (based on regional legend) of a town outcast who decides to throw his own funeral. With Bill Murray, Sissy Spacek, and Lucas Black filling out the ensemble, the … Continue reading "382 – Get Low"

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How do you know, Maddie? We had a go. Hello and welcome to the This Had Oscar Buzz podcast, the only podcast singing Billy Joel songs before you never hear from us again. Every week on This Had Oscar Buzz we'll be talking about a different movie that once upon a time had Lofty Academy Award aspirations, but for some reason or another, it all went wrong. The Oscar hopes died and we're here to perform the autopsy. I am your host, Chris Fyle, and I'm here as always with my undertaker Joe Reed. I can't believe you didn't do another window to the wall, quote, bastardization for our episode on Git Lo. I figure it will be for the next 90 minutes or so. They'll happen.

How strange that in the last six months we've done two episodes where we can liberally, quote, get low. What's the other one? To the Wonder. Oh, that's like a year ago, though. Was it? That was not recent. You could have fooled me. You honestly, again, doing a podcast for six years will really fuck with your sense of time and space.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, Undertaker, sure. I will say, a rather charming Undertaker on Bill Murray's part. I will say. I'm not used to Bill Murray playing like a vowedly likable character. He tends to play grumps. What tainted by just Murray himself? Well, sure, but, like, he tends to gravitate towards especially lately.

Erascible. You know, arsable kind of, you know, grumpy people. I mean, when he's in Wes Anderson movies at this point, I wouldn't maybe go that far. Because there is this, like, cuddly sense. I'm thinking of, like, French dispatch. Or even, like, Raleigh-Sinclair. Yeah, that's a good point. French dispatch is a good example.

Yes. We're maybe a far, you know, we're far. you know, we're far enough removed from like the broken flowers is... Right. That's fair. But like St. Vincent wasn't that long ago. Although 12 years. Yeah.

We'll be doing a Bill Murray six timers on this. I kind of thought we already did it because we've done enough West Anderson's, but I guess maybe we haven't done that many West Anderson's. Not many yet. Yeah. And we haven't done Asteroid City yet. He's not in Asteroids City. He's not in that one though.

Yeah. But yeah, we have. We haven't done Rushmore. We haven't done – we can't do Tenembombs. We can't do, obviously, Grand Budapest. Patreon eventually, maybe – For Tenon bombs? Yeah. Yeah, that'd be fun. Not for Grand Budapest. That would make no sense. No, that would not make a whole lot of sense.

It's an Oscar winner. We don't do movies that of won Oscars. We sure don't. Or have been nominated for quite that many is the other thing. What's the most nominations a movie? I think we've had this conversation offline. Four. Four. Nine and Far From Heaven. Previous Exception episodes have had four nominations.

And I already, that makes me itchy that we've done that. Like, I feel like four is almost too much. I wouldn't want to do that again. Well, nine we did as the one to kick off. Well, and nine spiritually is absolutely correct in that regard. You know what I mean? And Far From Heaven was definitely seen as the big Oscar snub. of that year, even though it got four

nominations. Yes. Yes. Context. Context matters. But, like, yeah, in general, my feeling is, like, one or two is ideal. Three is pushing it. Four is, like, four, like, extreme cases. So,

that's how I would go with it. Very specific circumstances. Very specific circumstances. Yeah. Get Low, a movie I never saw in theaters, but always knew as an Oscar contender, because that's how Sony Classics promoted it. And came very close to getting a nomination for Robert Duval, is sort of how I will always

remember it, of like, up until, like, I feel like a lot of people were predicting him as their, like, fifth slot guy that year. Well, and would you also say that the nomination for the judge happens because the nomination doesn't happen for GELO? Like, there's already this sense of we need to honor this. Maybe. Give Duval one more nomination? Uh-huh.

That's possible. That's definitely possible. I think now having seen Gitlo, I feel like things would have been better if the situation were reversed. If he had gotten the Gitlo nomination and not... I do, too. I was not expecting to like this movie. I was in a mood this week for reasons that I'm not going to get into. And so I started to watch it a couple nights ago.

And I was like, I just can't. I have no desire to watch this. movie. I really don't. And I put it off by a day. And then I got back to it last night. And like, once I sort of settled into it, I'm like, oh, this movie is actually really lovely and features like at least three really strong performances. And one of them being Lucas Black. Oh, well, then I would stretch it forward because I like Lucas Black a lot. I love Lucas Black is like a paragon of decency. And like, and Bill Cobbs as well. But I was thinking like Duval,

Duval, Murray, and Spacic, I think are all legitimately really great in this movie. Yeah. Yeah. So I was glad about that. And you know how much I like to be surprised in a pleasantly surprised by a movie that we cover on here. Because I feel like what we cover on here sort of tends to fall into one or three buckets. It's thing we've seen and liked and want to, you know, kind of make the case. for retroactively. Thing we've seen that is bad that we want to have, you know, a little bit of

fun with. And then third is, thing we haven't seen. And so that then splits off into, we haven't seen and it turns out we like it. And we haven't seen it turns out we don't like it. And because this was a movie that I hadn't seen, I was like, okay, so we are, and you, had you seen this? No, I had not seen it. So neither of us had seen it. So we were both sort of going on faith that, like, if this movie is just like a total dud and super boring, we can, well, then we'll just have to,

like, talk about the Oscar race and, like, go really heavily on the context surrounding the movie. Because, like, my worst fear is us picking a movie that neither one of us have seen, have it turn out to be completely boring,

and then have to, like, do the episode and be like, hey, let's talk about this movie that neither one of us was really particularly interested in as we were watching it. I mean, that's the challenge with our show sometimes. I do think that, you know, if we're talking about buckets, we think movies fall into. This is definitely since we started this show, a movie that fell into the bucket of I've never seen but feel so emblematic of what we are and what we do.

Yes, yes. But again, those can be tricky for, like, things to talk about. But I thought that this was a really lovely movie. And, of course, the timing was good with Robert Duval's passing. And I even saw, I read some letterbox logs of first. that I think caught up to this movie for the first time after his passing as well. It's interesting in that way because it's a movie about a character throwing his own funeral. But apparently he passed away on the same day as the funeral takes place in this movie.

No kidding. Which I think I need to maybe fact check that before I say that on Mike because I'm just relaying something else someone said. but I'm confused because he, in real life, passed away in the winter. But this movie decidedly does not take place in the winter. Certainly not in like... Tennessee is not that warm in January. In February, yeah. February 15th. We...

That is true. So maybe that's a little bit of... It takes place in the Tennessee of the mind. Yeah, a little apocryphal. And that's fine because, like, there is a, like, folk tale element to... this movie, not necessarily in a, like, not in a big fish kind of a way, but in a, like, this sounds to me like a thing you would have, like, been told by like your grandfather or your grandmother or something. Like, do you ever hear the story about old Felix Bush who, you know, yada, yada, yada,

and he threw his own funeral in 1930 something? And there is that element of, and obviously, like, this is a character who everybody in town has gossiped about. There's just the tone of the movie feels not fried green tomatoes but not entirely far from that element

of like, did you ever hear the story about X, Y, Z? You know what I mean? Like that kind of thing. No B. Charmers in this movie, no homoerotic honey retrievals. Sublimated.

Right. Right. To the point of closeting. No, I think this movie is probably better for not having some type of sentimental narration to it. Yes. Because I think the drama, I mean, Fried Green Tomatoes doesn't really, but it is told through Jessica Tandy's perspective. And there is some narration that happens. There is some narration.

Because she's relaying the story to Kathy Bates. Yes. I think this movie, that would push this movie towards a tone that would be less bearable. And you could imagine a version of this movie that is like the Lucas Black character as an older person telling this story. He's narrating it from later in life or something. Right, right. And so yes, I agree that like I think the movie is better for not doing that partly because it just doesn't need to. Like, it gets across that kind of a vibe without having to do, you know, a narration that holds your hand or anything like that. And so many characters in this movie can talk about this guy, Felix, without it sounding like, I'm going to plant my feet and give you some exposition.

Because, like, this is how people talk about eccentric people in their communities, you know, in the 30s, in the 50s. in the 50s, in the 90s, and, you know, today. You know, there are people who, you know, people tell stories about them and people, you know, give you the dish on them. And it's, there is a social media version of this where you text your person, you text a friend of yours, and they're like, why, what's this person's deal?

And then they give you, you know, X, Y, and Z. So it's a tale as old as time. Or, you know, someone sent you a photo of the town. weirdo and me in the group chat is like this diva. Right, right. Who was that? You might not, who was that the name of that person who like catfished a whole bunch of people on gay Twitter like 10 years ago?

Remember that guy? I remember that because everybody chiming in that they were catfish. I was like, you guys have got to be kidding me. Like, you will fall for anything. Sexted this guy or whatever. But anyway, that's why. That's how Felix Bush, played by Robert Duval and Gitlo, is like the gay Twitter catfish guy. That is my...

Interesting. See, my queer read on this movie, initially, when you're dealing with a social outcast in this type of way, I think our tendency as gay people, queer people, is to start a queer read on this movie through that context. However, you know, it is in the text that... You can't really read this character in a queer way. No, but you can Bill Murray as far as I'm concerned. That is interesting because I think that's true. I didn't even go there. The way he talks to Sissy Spacec about like, I love the way you play piano.

It's like, that's fam right there. That's interesting. I see you. It's interesting. I see you, Bill Murray. More so my queer read on this movie was it's about a guy who throws his own funeral. Do not let gay guys see this. Do not give them any ideas.

I'm gay guys. I'm gay guys. Joe wants to throw us on funeral, ladies and gentlemen. 100%. I don't get to have a wedding. I don't get to have a fucking baby shower as all my siblings are doing these days. No, I'm going to throw myself a fucking funeral.

And for this funeral... Do you want to have a baby shower? Do you want to have a baby? No. No. Respect to people who have babies. No, but... But you do want the stuff.

Carrie Bradshaw and I are only alike in one way, which is it sucks the people who are in committed relationships who get married and have babies get all these gifts, all these parties thrown for them, and gifts given to them. And what I'm saying is, what about this guy? What about me? What do I get? What do I get? I get to spend. I love when I just like, I walk into a joke and like do destination weddings. And I realize, oh, I'm dragging you specifically. Yes, you are. In one of drinking.

Okay. I mean, you got me on board. I was more so thinking of like 27-year-old twinks. Oh, well, yeah. Who are just wanting to make something about it. Well, and also. I'm throwing a party. It's my funeral.

Come say something nice about me. Sunday at whatever, at some warehouse bar in Bushwick or whatever. And it's like the theme is my funeral. Like, Leland will be spinning tracks. whatever, and it's just like, okay, like, fuck you. Brackets complimentary. Do not compress for this, but yes, I was

literally thinking, don't give gay guys ideas. I think I wrote that as a note. Yeah. It's not a bad note. It's not a bad note. No, I do think this very silly concept, this is, of course, how the movie sold itself and through

some, like, whimsy, light-hearted tone to this idea of this senior citizen throwing his and you know town recluse and the person everybody hates throwing their own funeral but I do

think it comes to this emotional place that you know the movie's not heavy emotionally but I do think it kind of earns its you know pathos and it ultimately is a movie about forgiveness I think that

normally would be the type of thing I would roll my eyes out a little bit, but here I found it quite lovely. At the outset, I want to very briefly just talk about this film's director, Aaron Schneider, because I was like, well, that's not a name that really means anything to me. And I sort of, you know, did a little bit of research into him. This is a guy who does not have a ton of credits, just in general. He's a cinematographer. He's an Oscar winner for short film directed a short film called Two Soldiers. That was the 2003 Best Live Action Short winner, based on a Faulkner short story. Directed, was a cinematographer on Kiss the Girls, the 1997, Ashley Judd, Morgan Freeman,

James Patterson adaptation, was a cinematographer on Simon Birch, future, this had Oscar buzz movie, Simon Birch, and then directed three features? No, two features, essentially. This, get low, and then nothing until 2020 when he directed Greyhound, which only exists as a like COVID-lockdown Oscar nominee

that, you know, Apple TV Plus put out and was like, Tom Hanks, he's on a boat, what do you think? And they're like, well, we don't have a whole ton of like blockbuster movies this year. So like this is getting a sound nomination. He directed an episode of Ryan Murfrey's popular, which I think is very funny. Because like that has absolutely no stylistic crossover with either Gitlo or Greyhound. Directed a handful of other TV episodes.

But like this is over the course of like a 30 year career. and like just sort of has worked very sparingly. So I just think it's interesting that all of a sudden I'm looking at this. I'm like, this is a really good movie. He won, I think, like best first feature at the spirits that year, right? So like, and then didn't make another feature until 2020. And it was Greyhound. That's crazy.

I don't know. It's crazy to me. I don't know what the rest of this guy's story is. but I'm curious if anybody has any additional background. Greyhound 2. Yeah, that's on... Greyhound 2, you might get to learn a little more. Yeah, apparently that's in the works, right?

I guess Apple got enough streams from dads for that movie. Principal photography began last month in Sydney with Stephen Graham, Rob Morgan, Elizabeth Shoe, reprising their roles from the first movie. So no Hanks. No, wait, Hanks is there? Yeah, so... All right. Good for Aaron Schneider.

It's about a bus instead of a boat. My God. And it has to be 50 miles an hour or faster else it explodes. Greyhound two, semi-colon speed. Greyhound two, speed two, colon speed two. No, it's got to be speed three because we've had speed two. Greyhound two colon speed three would be a very funny title. Right? Yes, I'm all for it.

I'm all for it. All right. All right. we're into it. Coming Father's Day, 20-something, Greyhound 2, Speed 3. All right. But yeah, interested to talk about this movie,

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obviously we're breaking the C-A-Long class of 2024 next week? I wonder what we could be doing. Here's what I'm going to say, Oscar-wise. if Delroy Lindo does pull off the upset and supporting actor and win, I want it to be known that before that became like a trendy upset pick, I was talking about this. We were talking about this. We were talking about this. We loved him.

But like as a legitimate potential. I kind of am predicting him. What's that? I kind of am predicting him. I would love it. Here's the thing I've talked about because like recently I've been on a couple other episodes that was on the Blankies episode on Blake Check, go and listen to that. I had such a good time. I was on Critical Darlings with friends slash co-workers, Richard Lawson and Alison Wilmore.

And then both of those, I think I mentioned maybe the fact that, like, friend and former guest, Kyle Buchanan of the New York Times, has been very forthright throughout the season, in his opinion, that once the industry awards start happening, Sean Penn is going to sweep the supporting actor category. He has thus far been proven correct at the BAFTAs and at the actor awards and love Kyle to death, but I want him to be wrong so bad. Well, because of what he would be right about too, which is unfortunately something that I cynically usually align with. Also, though, it's part of that. It's partially that I don't want Sean Penn to win a third Oscar, but it's also like, Kyle's so fucking certain. And I just want him to be wrong. I just wanted to be wrong. I love you, Kyle, but I want Sean to be wrong.

Well, and it's also just, I don't know. This is someone who, you know, I think Sean Penn is the, I'm not going to go out and say bad, but I think the weakest thing about a movie that I adore. Also, like, I don't even think, like, I think Sean Penn is probably not a person I would choose to spend an afternoon with. I don't know, whatever. I'm not going to go in on, you know, the degree of villainy that Sean Penn is. But I'm mostly just like, I don't need to have somebody win a third Oscar when Delroy Lindo winning his first would be so amazing. Or even Stelon Scars Guard winning his first would be so amazing.

You know what I mean? Benicio seems like a non-possibility at this point, which I think is crazy because like months ago, I did genuinely believe it when I said like, what if Benicio just runs the table? Because it did seem for a second like he might. But Benicio winning a second would even be more preferable. I just like, I don't, we are in an age of third Oscars in a way that I wish we'd maybe go back to the part where the Academy was more reticence to give people second and third Oscars that maybe there was, because there was a while there where like they were really stingy about that kind of thing. And I don't mind that so much. I wish we could maybe go back to it a little bit. My bolder prediction, which is one that I have had all along, and people keep looking at me like I'm growing another head. Sinners is beating K-pop Demon Hunters and song.

You have been saying this for a while. And I just have to get this on the record. You have been saying this for a while. Because I think it's happening. Like, I just do. If it does happen, then I do feel like we're going to get a year where only sinners in one battle win multiple Oscars, that nothing else will win more than one Oscar. Yes. Yes.

which will be pretty much reflective of this year. Like this year really has boiled down to a two-movie race in a lot of ways, in ways that I don't always think is great, because there were a lot of really good movies this year, and is emblematic of Oscar trends that I wish were not the case in terms of a narrowing of... We've talked about this before. We just have to give a lot more nuance to it when it's two movies that we really, really like.

Well, that's the thing. the, you know. It's two really good movies. So like it's tough to, but you know me. I am very much a, you know, I am the person who Oscar nominations morning is my Oscar night. You know what I mean? Like, it's the thing I'm most excited for.

I like the fact that I like the, this is why I review or whatever rank every Oscar nominee, because I think that's the important part. I genuinely feel like that is much more important than winning the Oscar. So, you know. I also feel like to kind of piggyback off that rule and we'll get back to get low, not rule, the trend that we're seeing of, you know, all of these movies gobbling up all the nominations on nomination morning where you have things like Marty Supreme and sentimental value doing well. And I think the idea is, oh, the Academy really loves those movies. And I really think we're at a time where it's not indicative that. like they love something to a degree that they're going to throw wins at it.

Like, I think sentimental value could walk away from the Oscars with zero wins. Right. Well, you... It's just that they definitely saw it. They definitely saw that movie. It's not... I mean, obviously to vote for it, you know, implies some enthusiasm, but I think it's more confirmation of the movies that people actually saw than anything else. Well, you look at something like...

slumdog millionaire, which got 10 nominations, which is one more than, was it sentimental value and Marty both got nine this year? Yes. And Hamnick got eight? Yes. So one more nomination than sentimental value and Marty Supreme. I think, for as much as I love both of those movies, I think the gulf between how much the academy was in love with Slumdog Millionaire and how much the academy is in love with Marty

Supreme is wide, is way more than one nomination. So that many nominations 20 years ago, yes, they loved that movie. But today, they absolutely saw that movie. But it's because- And all the branches saw that movie. And part of, and I don't want to, God, I'm going to start 12 sentences before I finish even one of them. I don't want to be misconstrued as being like, Marty Supreme and sentimental value

and Hamnet aren't worthy of the Academy. me loving them that much. I think part of my frustration with the fact that all of the nominations are going to like the top six films is we don't, it, we don't get an accurate sense of how much these movies are loved and how much these movies are appreciated because it does feel like people are increasingly just checking boxes and seeing fewer movies before they even nominate anything. Yes. Yes. And it's just like, I would like this country to go back to a place where we all took pride in our work. And one of those things is, if you are an Oscar voter, take fucking pride in that and see a whole bunch of movies and make your voice heard.

And, you know, listen, Hollywood. We're seeing this as a topic because this year they're requiring proof. proof. We're going to put scare quotes on it. To say that you voted for a movie. If you haven't, they've made it so that on the online portal for Academy members to vote, you have to have screen something on the app, but then you can also separately go and say, yes, I did go to a guild screening of Frankenstein. You can screen stuff on the app to prove that you've seen it, or you can check a box that

says, trust me, I've seen these things. So, like, that's a liar's checkbox. You know what I mean? And of course, all of the honest Oscar ballot, whatever things that come out there. Everybody's saying that they just checked the box and they didn't see everything. And of course they only ask the worst type of people for those things.

But it's reason to believe that they're creating this rule where people can't vote in a category where they haven't seen all the nominees that is incredibly easily manipulated. I've seen other people say that just having the checkbox there does do a decent job of like gilting people into being honest, you know what I mean? And like, as a person who has been guilted into, you know, being honest by, you know, a form, I tend to be afraid of checking a box like that if I haven't. You know what I mean? Like that,

I don't know, God's going to punish me or something. I think it's at least going to guilt people into being honest about seeing all of the best picture nominees, which is going to do most of the work for you in the rest of the categories. I was talking to Nate Jones, former guest and my colleague at Vulture. I was slacking with him yesterday. And I said, remind me next year to do a full audit of the brutally honest Oscar ballot industrial complex, where I like go back through the years and I like compare, everybody's answers on these things

to how the awards turned out because the thing as odious as some of these people are just in their tone and the way that they are proudly ignorant and regressive the other thing that annoys me is then people will social these things out

and be like look who's in trouble nobody voted for it on the secret Oscar ballots and it's like talk to me then after the Oscars and see how well those brutally honest ballots predicted who would actually win, or is it the thing that I always talk about with the law of large numbers? And it's just like, in a voting pool of significant size, outliers like this slough off and we regress to the mean. And it just,

it bothers me that so many people are that credulous about it, that they were like, listen, all the brutally honest Oscar voters hated sentimental value, so, you know, watch out. And you kind of loathe everything out of that person's mouth, but clearly this means. But like, they must be on to something. Everybody else must think this way. So watch out one battle after another. Nobody likes you. And it's like...

And F1 is going to win. Right, right. The people's princess, F1, is going to vroom, room to the top of the awards. It's just everybody, everybody be a little bit smarter. That's the other thing. Harder, Be Smarter. That's what I want out of everybody. 2026. Work harder, be smarter.

That's it. That's it. One movie that perhaps all of the Oscars didn't see is the unnominated Get Lo. Get Lo. Directed by the previously mentioned Aaron Schneider, written by Chris Provenzano and See Gabby Mitchell with an additional story credit by Scott Seek, starring the Great, Dearly, Dearly. departed Robert DuFal looking into it Lucas Black, Bill Murray, Sissy Spac, Gerald McRaney, Bill Cobbs,

and director Scott Cooper. Yeah, who did Scott's Cooper, does Scott Cooper play the guy who was really mean to Felix at the beginning? It was like trying to start a fight with him. Yeah, he's not in it that much. I just think it's funny that he's in it. Yeah, fucker. The movie had a

2009 Tiff World premiere, played Sundance in 2010, before opening limited right before 4th of July, on June 30th, and then had a wide release right before Labor Day on August 27th. That is a long time to expand your release. That would never happen today. It would be on VOD by... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Which, I mean, this is one, like, listen, I'm someone who grew up in not a major market. I understand it sucks to have to wait for the movie. You want to see that everybody's talking about? Oh, yeah, yeah. especially in the internet age. Buffalo had that problem. For sure. Before you see it.

I'm still mad that Buffalo never got little children. I'm still super pissed about that. I think it's still the way that everything in the big picture is playing out, the fact that something can be on VOD so soon is actually killing the conversation for some of these movies in a way. Also, who wants to pay $25 to watch something at home? That's the thing about PVOD for me Is they're like, but it's the same as like going to the movies And it's like, but it's first of all it's not

It's not. It's objectively not? It's objectively not. It's not the same thing. It's like, but you're paying it as much. I have a great home setup. I can control my home home setup. I can't control the audience members. First of all, and blah, blah, blah. First of all, we need to get back to dealing with strangers on a regular basis.

Everybody just wants to avoid contact with any type of stranger and it's making us bad people. Also, most people, when they say that, are being disingenuous and I think are, like, vastly overstating how good their home theater setup is because they just want to win an argument online. And so they're like, I have a superior home setup to most theaters, because, like, most theaters are shittily run and they're not projected well and whatever and yada, yada, and it's like as poorly as some of these, you know, as there are legitimate problems with

projection and sound in a lot of multiplexes, which is, again, this is the same argument as public schools. We need to invest more, not less. Anyway, the opening box office for Get Low, when it was in its limited release, definitely one million percent playing at Lincoln Plaza Cinema's. Oh, yeah. This was a Lincoln Plaza Angelica special. Like, both of those places were definitely showing. Definitely. Yeah. Inception was in a It's third weekend at the top of the box office, but opening wide this weekend. Charlie St. Cloud in fifth place and in second place, dinner for schmucks. I've seen one of those movies.

Would you like to get this one? You've seen Charlie St. Cloud. I have seen Charlie St. Cloud. I've not seen dinner for shmucks. Gary's, do any of you remember dinner for schmucks? It's Paul Rudd and Steve Carell, right? It's definitely Corell. I don't think I saw it either, but it was the...

A Steve Correll movie opening at $23 million was the sign of, I don't know, maybe he's not a star anymore. He didn't open dinner for schmucks, a movie that, you know. Can I tell you what I definitely did see in theaters in Park Slope at this time? Tell me. Salt. Salt, still in third place. Angelina Jolie in Salt. Salt is a movie that is both awesome and a disaster.

Because you know in post-production, they, like, completely restructured that movie. Who directed Salt? Hold on. Is that Doug Lyman? Is it? Doug Lyman has a lot of, you know, production stories for various movies. Philip Noisse. It's Philip Nois.

Noice. I like a lot of Doug Lyman stuff, but you're not wrong about Doug Lyman. No, Salt's a heck of a time. I really think, like, of the Angelina Jolie, let's make Angelina Jolie in Action Star movies, I think salt is absolutely the best one. Yep, I agree. I agree.

Also expanding that weekend was the kids are all right. Hell yeah. 800 theaters. Lisa Cholodeco, make another feature film. Remember when we used to have summer indie that could carry on through for the rest of the year? I sure do. It's kind of like we could only have one, right?

Like there was the Little Miss Sunshine, there were the kids are all right. There were other examples. Big Fat Creek Wedding. Big Fat Creek Wedding, sure. Yeah. I mean, at this point, I would take any indie movie being able to carry on through. It seems like only December now is you can get a couple movies in December that can make some money.

But get low. Joe, are you ready to give a 60-second plot description? No, but let's do it. All right. from the windows to the walls. Your 60-second plot description for Get Low. Style starts now. All right, listen up East Side Boys and Ying Gang Twins.

This is the story of Felix Bush, a hermit in 1930s, Tennessee, who lives out in a shack in the woods. And much like the old man in home alone, everybody in town has rumors about him and thinks he may have killed somebody. But we're not really getting the full story. So Felix comes into town one day with a large roll of cash and asks the local reverend if he can throw a funeral for himself. And Reverend Gerald McCraney is like, no, that's not of God.

And so instead, oh, fuck this. So instead, funeral director, Bill Murray is like, I like money. Let's do that. Lucas Black is his assistant. They agree to throw a funeral party for Felix Bush while he is still alive. And Felix keeps hinting that he wants to tell something at this funeral party that he wants to reveal something about probably his past, and he's also going to raffle off his house. So they go making the plans for the funeral. Meanwhile, the only person in town who seems to have any nice things to say about Felix is Maddie, who is played by Sissy Spacec, who they used to date and go together.

Turns out that Robert Duvall's big secret is that he used to be in love with Maddie's sister, Mary Lee, who was married and who is now deceased. And what were the circumstances of her death? We eventually find out at the funeral, which he goes out of town to get his friend, Reverend Bill Cobbs, to come. And if he's not able to tell the truth about himself that he's going to have Bill Cobbs do it. But it turns out he can tell the truth. And the truth is that he went over. to Mary Lee's house, and she had just been beat up by her husband, and there was a fight with the husband, and the house got set on fire, and Robert Duval got set on fire, and Mary Lee died,

and the husband died, and the house burned, and Felix got blamed for it and went to live in the woods, in the shack forever, and now that he's confessed all of this, and he raffles off his house, he sees Mary Lee off in the woods beckoning him, and next thing we know, Felix is dead, and he is mourned by his friends, and I don't think I missed anything. The end. Almost 90 seconds over. Yeah, I wasn't, I didn't really sketch it out. At least 90 seconds of that was, you know, the final five minutes of the movie, where it's the circumstances. We learn why he is not only a hermit, but ostracized by the community. This idea of pervasive rumors,

you know. He's sick of rumors starting. He's sick of being followed. You know, maybe this is just the pop episode. We have Getlow. We have rumors. Two iconic unimpeachable songs. OTS classics. Yeah. Everything

bad we have to say about the OTS. We do not have anything bad to say about Gitlo or I'm not a millennial. I'm an OTS classic. We're rebranding the millennials. right now. As a odds classics. I like this movie. I did feel moved by the ending and

divorce performance in that big kind of grand monologue about what he feels he needs to apologize for. You know how movies sometimes have, especially like indie movies, have one still photo that accompanies every preview about them or story about them

or whatever. The whole thing about the whale that the only photo from the whale was the One shot. Killers of the Flower Moon. Gitlo had this, and it was the shot of Robert Duval and Sissy Spacec sort of sitting on the bed, and she's sort of...

Has her head leaned on his shoulder, and she's, you know, crying, and he's got his hand, you know, sort of caressing her face a little bit. Like, that was the image for Get Low. And I remember I was like, oh, okay, so this is a movie about, like, sad old, you know,

whatever, sad old people. And then you watch... watch what leads up to that moment in the movie, and you're like, oh, this is, like, deeply moving. This is like, and it's the culmination of, as I said before, two really fantastic performances by Duval and Sissy Spacic. I want to just very quickly because, like, we're probably not going to end up talking about her too much in this, but I just want to take a moment to shout out Sissy Spac, particularly, like, 21st century Sissy Spac. Because, like, she starts it off. She's got in the bedroom, it seems for a minute that she might win her second Oscar for in the bedroom. And then, like, the Hallie Berry train starts to chugging.

And it ultimately is not very surprising that she does not win for that. But she spends maybe a decade, like, sort of bopping around movies a little bit. And she, like, does some television. She's on big love for a little while. And, you know, she does a. the homecoming in Castle Rock and whatever. But, like, there are, like, legitimately five performances just in the 21st century that are, like, legit, great performances that nobody really talks about because they are small supporting performances in indie movies.

She's so good in a room or a home at the end of the world, which we've talked about. We've done an episode on that. I think she's so good in Gitlo. She's so good in the old man and the gun. And then just this year, she's so good in Die My Love. Like, it's, it's, and I understand that why nobody talks about her performance in Die My Love, because like, it's been hard enough to get Jennifer Lawrence attention for that movie. You know, I think at some point, award season just kept chugging on past. And we sort of all agreed that like, yeah, nobody's were going to really, like, for as much as nobody seemed to not, Die My Love was not as divisive a movie as I thought it was.

was going to be. I think mostly there were people who liked it and there were people who just like didn't bother seeing it. Yeah, I think the people that that movie is not Ford just did not see it. They knew. And so that conversation never really happened. And so we never really got into the like Jennifer Lawrence and Robert Pattinson of it all much less at the second level, which is Sissy's Basic fucking Rules in this movie. And I just think I'm, it's so low key. how much this woman can bring to a movie in a role that doesn't require flash. She doesn't show up and, like, give you two minutes of, like, grand guignoll, like, you know, over the topness or whatever.

It's like, it's a solid, like, 20 minutes of decency. Very dialed in connected performance, you know. But on the high level, this is like top shelf. supporting performance. And I It doesn't... I do think she's great in this. But I mean, I think the one

that's most emblematic of this is Old Man and the Gun. You can go back to our episode on that. 100%. Where it's just like, she's fully elevating that movie. It's making... Her performance is making it an even better movie because we've seen so many movies that ask as little... I mean,

I don't know if I think Old Man in the Gun asks little of her, but you know, it's... She's not the thrust of the story. Same thing here, but because she actually does kind of give as much as she does, and there's so much emotional depth, it's making the movie better, and we've seen the movies where it's like, you know, you don't have that. So it's like, it's...

Gitlo reminded me of Old Man and the Gun in a few ways, not limited to Sissy Spaceic, but I don't think I love Gitlo as much as I, like, legitimately love Old Man in the Gun, but I really did like this movie quite a bit. Like, it really surprised me how much I liked this movie. So I just wanted to throw out, you know, some flowers for Sissy Spaceic before we move on. I do think there's an element to this movie of liking it now, being people who haven't seen it, that we're probably primed to like a movie like this more now than we would have 15 years ago, because there's less of movies like this.

Yeah, I think that's probably true. You know, that are just like kind of nice diversions. This movie is 100 minutes solid. A bouncy little Yan AP Casmeric score. Has exactly the scope that it sets out to do. It's not doing too much. It's not doing too little. But it is this kind of surprisingly cozy movie that, I think, based on the tropes that are in it,

you would maybe expect a few more things to be, for lack of a better word, annoying. But this movie isn't really that. It's not, never reaches for like this cloying sentimentality. It's not this, it doesn't hit the like old curmudgeon humor so hard that it becomes like caricature. I agree. Rather than character. It's restrained in a way that I think enhances the movie. It also, for as much as it is about sort of.

this man's very sad and dark, you know, thing that he's, you know, kept, kept to himself all this time. It's not a particularly miserable movie. It's not a movie that sort of wallows in the decrepitude of the hearts of men or whatever. And I appreciate that. I think the movie, you know, tells a good story about living with regret, living with missed opportunity. And this person who decided to, you know, because of the worst thing happening to him, that, like, as his own punishment to himself, he just, he describes to Bill Cobbs at one point this shack that he built out in the woods as this prison that he built for himself that he stayed in all these years. And I don't know. I think, you know, movies about people at the end of their life sort of looking back with great regret, I'm, you know, that, that hits me on a wavelength. And I think this is a really good example of one.

I think it's kind of unpretentious thematically, too, in that, you know, you can just be entertained by this movie. but if you want to look into the themes of like the connective forces of like ways we isolate ourselves and the way that we isolate the outsider being intertwined in things like shame and you know social order

you know I think it's the type of movie that you could really you know write a term paper on if you wanted to but it also just can be an entertaining movie sure yeah yeah I saw some reviews sort of comparing Duval's character in this

to his character and to kill a mockingbird Boo Radley which I'm like it's not really I don't know if that's the same thing Yeah definitely not the same thing There's a social ostracization

element to it but like the similarities to that to me are pretty superficial but it does sort of call upon you

to reflect on Duval's career as a whole, which I think is why it's a good movie for us to do right now with obviously with his recent death. I think Robert Duval dying at the tail end of a really brutal series of the movie star slash the film director deaths that really feel like it really hit us in the gut, Redford, Keaton, Reiner, Catherine O'Hara, Robert Duval.

And it's, it almost feels like it not necessarily took away from the appreciation of Duval, but like it just felt like by the time Duval died, we were all just like, oh my God, like yet another one. And it maybe didn't lead to as much reflection on his career and his professional. accomplishments as it could have. He's obviously, he's an Oscar-winning actor, won for Tender Mercies in 83. But, like, this is a really long and very interesting and varied career. You know what I mean? For stuff that he's nominated for and stuff that he's not. And you can chart the stages of his career through his Oscar nominations in a way.

Because in the 70s, you know, he's in these big major movies. and then around the time of Tender Mercies, he makes this pivot towards American independence, and that's what he kind of does for a while, gets eventually nominated for the Apostle as well, and then settles into Robert Duvall, old, like, falling asleep on the bench as a judge and a civil action, those type of movies.

No, a civil action, he's the opposing attorney. He's the judge and the judge. What's the one where he falls? asleep. Is that not the judge? Does he fall asleep in a civil action? He might, but he's the, he's the opposing attorney, I'm fairly certain. But it is these like elder statesman, crazy old man roles. Widows. I mean, we've, we've sort of had our fun with Josh and about, you know, and I feel kind of bad about it now, but like, because I do feel like at some point Robert Duval became shorthand for mean old man in movies. And like, you do, like, did you ever see the table? You ever see the

Today Show interview that they had for the Godfather anniversary where it's him and James Kahn. And who's the third person? It's not Pacino, I don't think. It might be Pacino. Might be De Niro. Whatever. And he's so unpleasant and, like, mean about the whole thing. And he's just sort of like, and Khan is also, and nobody's in a good mood. Nobody seems to want to be talking about this. And it's so funny because it's like this movie that made all of their careers and whatnot. And like they're talking shit about Coppola. They're talking shit about other people. They don't seem to like the person who's interviewing them very much.

Like it's a whole thing. Wait, I'm going to look that up who the third person was. Yeah. Oh, it is. Oh, so it's all four of them. Okay, it's Khan Duval De Niro Pacino. Folks. And Talia Shire.

And Talia Shire there for levity, I guess. That is an intimidating role. room. I walk into that room. I walk right back out again. Like, I do not want that smoke. Like, absolutely not. And every single one of them, like, take every single question and are just like, it's a stupid question. You know what I mean? It's just like it's so. But how many, how many times have this, has this crew been asked about the godfather? You know, there's no new interesting questions. Of course. As much, it's never, it's interesting to talk about the godfather as, as it is to watch the godfather.

This, I mean, like, I usually, you know, when Diane Keaton died, and of course, all the heterosexual men are immediately jumping to, oh, but the godfather, it does always annoy me. But I do think Deval is one that I do think about the godfather, because I think that Tom is one of the most interesting things happening in that movie, because he's like as much in mesh in the family as anyone else. But he's not, he's not Italian, he's not a son. Yeah, he's not, he is in some ways an episode.

outsider, but he's also in some other ways, the one who actually is making shit happen. Which is why it bums me out that he's not in part three. And there was that whole, you know, obviously there was a dispute over money and Duval thought he should be paid more. And they write him out of the third one. He is essentially replaced by George Hamilton, one of the all-time downgrades. No shade to George Hamilton. And particularly because I think for all of Godfather Three's flaws, that was on TV. I was in a hotel last week. And, hotel TV just hits different. And so Godfather 3 was on hotel TV, and I'm like, well, I am parked. Like, I'm not budging. And I caught it about two-thirds of the way through. They just get to Sicily.

And with everything else going on in Godfather 3, one of the things that I think goes under-discussed is Talia Shire gets so much more to do in that movie than she does in the first two. even in the second one that she was nominated for, she gets so much more to do. She's more of a Machiavellian character a little bit. She's trying to maneuver her son, who is Andy Garcia, into a position of power. She's manipulating El Pacino,

but she still loves him. He's her brother. And I just think she's really, really interesting in that movie. There's more... One of the things that bugs me is when people sort of like hand wave away Godfather Three. And it's like, yes, it's not as perfect as those first two.

But there's a lot that's really interesting about that movie. And a lot that can't be bad, but, like, that's not so bad either. I think I've only seen three once. I'll go back and watch it again. I think the other probably most iconic Duval performance is Apocalypse Now. And I think, you know, it makes sense because that is, it is such a, like, stark performance to everything else that's going on in that movie to the point where I think, the performance has more stature that,

so much stature that you forget, he's really barely in that movie. And it's just one of those great nominations that happens because of an actor's impact on the film and not because of, you know, there. It makes you wonder today, would he still be nominated for this?

Because we're just nominating leads in supporting these days? Well, one also thing from around that time that I think is so interesting is he's not nominated for Network despite the fact that everybody else seemingly was nominated in Network and I feel like that's one of the big

Duval roles of that era that really jump my big confession as I look at this list of all his nominations I've only seen three of these movies and one of them has the judge the apostle either the Apostle is always on the list of like things to catch up to. I've not seen the apostle. I've not seen the great Santini. I've

never seen Tender Mercies. And I somehow never saw a civil action, which I think is crazy. Because like that would have been right up my alley. I definitely watched a civil action in like a middle school classroom. So like I've, the ones that I've seen are the godfather, apocalypse now, and the judge. And that just is an odd. That should be right. One of these days I'll do a weekend marathon of Great Santini, Tender mercies, the apostle and a civil action. Tender mercies is okay. This is what I'm. I've always heard. Yeah.

The thing that I always will tell you about Tender Mercies is Betty Buckley doing country music is just, you know. Okay. We do need to recognize Betty Buckley as one of the great women in country, even though she's only saying like two country songs in this one movie. So Robert Duvall that year beats out Michael Cain for educating Rita, who at that point, Kane hadn't won his Oscars yet. Tom Courtney and Albert Finney, both for The Dresser, a movie I've never seen, and then Tom Conti for a film called Ruben Rubin that I've also never seen. So that is kind of like a big Oscars black hole for me that year. And I don't have a strong opinion on who should have won, if not for Duval, who maybe wasn't nominated that I could have gotten behind. Because this is the thing is like, terms of endearment, no lead actor.

The Big Chill. I don't think you can single out any one of those people as a lead actor. Also, I don't particularly love that movie. The Right Stuff is a Best Picture nominee that I also think you would have a hard time singling out a lead actor from that. Silkwood is the best director nominee that doesn't have a lead actor. Fannie and Alexander, I've never seen, so I can't speak to whether that movie would have had a lead actor. Like this is a year, this is probably why it was probably a good moment to just like Robert Duval is so great. Let's, you know, give him an Oscar because there is no really pressing case for anybody else.

I wouldn't be too inclined to take this away because I don't know when else Duval would have won. Maybe it would have given him more to go off of a win for the Apostle. Well, a civil action, if Duval goes into 98, not having won, and he's nominated for a civil action, I can see him beating out, oh, God, what the hell is Coburn, James Coburn, that year. That does seem super feasible. There's also Finney who doesn't have an Oscar, and that should not be the case. But also, I don't care for the dresser, but I do think Tom Cortney is the better performance between the two of them. Well, I think the fact that they were both nominated and the fact that one of them is Albert Finney and the other one is Tom Courtney. It makes me feel like Courtney must have been very impressive, or else they would have just nominated Finney.

Is that the most recent best act? Well, Amadeus is the year after, right? Amadeus is the year after. Yes. And I think, right, is there anything between Amadeus and Thelman Louise? I feel like we're forgetting something, but... Hold on. I think it might be the last time that two male actors were nominated together from the same film in lead.

Right, because Mississippi Burning is just Hackman. It's not Hackman and Defoe. Yeah, I think you are right. And let me just make a quick trek of Best Actress. Best Actress, I feel like. happened a lot more rarely in part because there were just like... So many movies are just about men?

Yeah, and there are very few movies that have two female leads that are also getting Oscar nominated. Obviously, the turning point was 77. Terms of Endearment was 83. So terms of an... 83 had actor and actress each had a double nomination in lead, which has got to be... maybe never happened in any other year.

Yeah, and then 1991, Thelman, Louise, Gina Davis, and Susan Sarandon, and that's the last time that's happened in a lead category. Bring it back. Bring it back, says I. So, yeah, I mean, I think Duval is quite good in this movie. He doesn't get the Oscar nomination, but that fifth, I think slots four and five. Although Franco was nominated for kind of everything for 120s. No, I think it was just a race to see who was in fifth.

So this is the year. You have Bridges, Eisenberg, Firth, and Franco showing up basically everywhere. Right. This is the King's speech year. So Colin Firth is the one who ends up winning the Oscar. He had been nominated the year before for a single man. And Bridges had won for Crazy Heart. I've talked to a lot of, I've had a lot of conversations through the years where the

notion has been raised that cosmically, Firth winning for a single man and Bridges winning for True Grit would have been better. Infinitely better. I think we've talked about that, probably. Probably because I love True Grit so much. That is a movie that I desperately need to rewatch because I liked it, but after the Blank Check series and all this,

I've seen so many people put True Grit on the, like, tippy top of their Cohen's rankings. And I'm like, I'm going to see this movie again and maybe figure out whether I agree with that or not. I am available for you to text immediately. I will. Whenever you rewatch True Grit. Jesse Eisenberg, obviously nominated for the social network that year, James Franco for 127 hours. And yes, so then who's in the fifth slot?

And so I sort of jotted this down a little bit of like back-of-the-bar napkin math. Ryan Gosling for Blue Valentine is nominated for the Golden Globe drama and for the Critics' Choice. Duval is nominated for the SAG Award RAP and the Critics Choice. Sorry, going through. New York film critics and LA film critics both went for Firth, NBR went for Eisenberg. BAFTA, I think, was the exact same lineup as the Oscars, so it was Firth, Bridges, Eisenberg, Franco, and then Javier Bardem in Beautiful. who ends up getting the Oscar nomination. Edgar Ramirez was runner-up at LA Film Critics that year.

Spirit Award nominations went to, among others, Ben Stiller for Greenberg, Aaron Eckhart for Rabbit Hole. Mark Wahlberg was the Globe Drama nominee from the Fighter and basically never got nominated for anything else that year. He was very much usurped by all of his co-stars. Paul G.Madi and Barney's version won the Globe comedy that year. We talked about that on our page. Yep.

Kevin Spacey, Turn around and Spit, was nominated for Casino Jack for the Golden Globe comedy, and also the M-4-G, the AARP Movies for Grownups, as was Michael Kane for Harry Brown, Michael Douglas for Solitary Man. Of all of those people,

I feel like the fifth slot was a toss-up between Javier Bardem, Robert Duval, Ryan Gosling, with like maybe some people making an outside case for Wall for the fighter because the fighter was the best picture contender. Best picture nominee. But I really feel like when it came down to it, I think Duval was probably the betting favorite

going into nomination morning, and then Bardem and Gosling were kind of nipping at his heels. Can I tell you, Javier Bardem in Beautiful is the most recent acting nominee? No, that's not true because I've never seen a better world. So a better world and then Beautiful are the two most recent acting nominees that I've never seen. I think you'll have better things to say about a better world than Beautiful. Beautiful is the In Yari-to movie that nobody talks about ever. All I ever hear about it is like, it's miserable. It's suffering upon suffering.

Bartum's tremendous in it, but as a movie, it's just, there's a reason no one really talks about it. But that was the movie where, like, Julia Roberts went on the camp trip. Julia Roberts was Francis Fisher to Javier Bardem's Andrea Riseborough that, and was like hosting screenings and like there was a lot of yeah Javier Bardem has worked at this point with enough big Hollywood folks I think that he um that he was able to get the edge there there was a little more pedigree too for you know beautiful in terms of Oscar because you know and Yari too is still somewhat on the ascent with the academy this is after

Babble happens. This is after Bable. After Bable. And before, well, obviously, Birdman, but yeah. And while you're talking about two previous acting Oscar winners, Bartum was the more recent of the two. So it's, you know.

Yeah, it's a little bit of a Halo nomination for No Country. Gosling, I think, is interesting. We talked about Gosling on our Drive Patreon episode recently. And the sort of, this was, the gozzling backlash to whatever degree that that happened hadn't happened yet. He's still kind of on the up from that. But Blue Valentine had a very interesting trajectory, which is it, I think, it initially presented as this, like, indie movie, you have to see. Everybody's talking about it.

I think it played Sundance, right, and was, like, a huge sensation. Sundance and then Cannes and then the fall festivals. And then I think. slowly it sort of crept into this, because that was a movie that like Weinstein had a lot of right, that was a...

Yeah, they tried to drum up the publicity complaint of that movie getting slapped with an NC17. And I think the more that Weinstein got involved, the more people kind of reflexively pushed back against it. And then there was a lot of like, why do people like this movie like this is sort of awful and misanthrogy.

And, like, there was just a lot of, like, I think the worm turned on Blue Valentine, not enough to get to deny Michelle Williams the nomination, but I remember feeling very strongly early on in that year that, like, oh, Williams and Gosling are both definitely getting nominated for this thing. And a lot of other things sort of happened that year. I think the Winter's Bone, Jennifer Lawrence, assent of it all, kind of usurped Blue Valentine in terms of like the indie cause-celeb that year.

And Winter's Bone was obviously a lot more palatable for people than Blue Valentine. Blue Valentine! Yeah, you can compare Winter's Bone and Get Low as these kind of Backwoods movies, and you can see how Winter's Bone would be the one that's more respected, because it's, I think it's a better movie. It's less old-fashioned. Things always get much more reductive than what's the better movie. It's, you know, it's this gritty thing.

So people respect its gravitas. I think that's right. I think, yes. And also, Jennifer Lawrence from Sundance was getting the, like, I remember people being like, here is your, one of your five best actress slots has already been filled in. It's January. But you know what? We're saying this. It's Jennifer Lawrence.

She is going to be the breakout, like, star. actress of this movie. And of course, that did happen. And this was the year following precious. And I think that was what people were like, what's the precious of this year? And people were like, Winter's Bone, Jennifer Lawrence. You got it right there.

Blue Valentine's an interesting. I don't know how much we need to talk about Blue Valentine on the Get Low episode. But like, it's an interesting movie in that like, I think people don't talk about it much at all. Even when they talk about San France, even when they talk about Gosling, even when they talk about Michelle Williams. Like, it exists kind of like if you're listing all of their movies,

but like nobody really talks about that movie specifically much anymore. No, I mean, it's unpleasant to rewatch. It is, you know, I think that's some of it. Williams and Gosling are both incredible. Yeah. I think the, when she got nominated and he didn't, I think some of the backlash to that was their performances are so in sync that it feels so strange to nominate one and not both. That led to one of my least favorite, one of my big Oscar pet peebs, which is, how do you nominate her and not him?

I don't know how that works. And it's like, it's almost as if their competition is completely different. Like, it's almost as if we're talking about two completely different sets of votes. And part of the reason why when we're talking about this best actor race and why Duval wasn't in there, and we talk about these ones that were locked, those four nominees, those were all Best Picture nominees. Yeah. I mean, this is been a week where stupidity has been triggering me, and that is one of my least favorite examples of Oscar stupidity. Anyway. Lacking context.

Lacking context. All right. Let's talk a little bit about Murray. We've got to do the six timers. This is not my favorite Murray mode. I understand why. I love this Murray performance. I got to say.

I really do. I don't think he's bad. I'm not saying he's bad. It's just cuddly Murray is not always my favorite. I might push back a little bit on cuddly. It's definitely like comparatively cuddly. He's definitely like he's not. whatever the what's the opposite of Cudley

Scratchy I don't know he's not Well I Cuddley's maybe not the right word The movie when the movie veers closest to sentimentality Yeah It's Murray I guess it's sentimental Murray or sentimental adjacent Murray

That is not It's rare to see Bill Murray Sort of held up as like The figure of decency in a movie Because he really is like We know he's not a good guy Him and Lucas Black are sort of the... Lucas Black is probably the better example of, like, the Paragon of decency in this movie.

Bill Murray is definitely in it for the money, right? He has that scene where he, you know, he tells Lucas Black... Yeah, he has to save his business. Like, look at, did you see that thing? And he's like, what? He's like, the big roll of cash that he rolled in it. He's got to save his business. But he also is genuinely one of the first people to sort of see in Felix.

a kind of sad and wounded man rather than this like mean old son of a bitch, right? And I think I like seeing Murray in this mode the scenes with him and Bill Cobbs, I think when he's trying to convince him to come back, I think are all really good. I like the relationship he has with Lucas Black,

the sort of like, you know, boss apprentice kind of a thing, mentor-apprentice. And I actually think this is a mode of Murray that we don't see very often. He's not like mugging for laughs. He's not like overtly comedic, but there's a lightness to him and a decency to him that I find really appealing. And I'm glad that like he got a nomination from Indy Spirits. I'm like, I'm glad that somebody sort of threw him something because I don't know. Unless we forget the movies for grownups nominated him too, along with SpaceX and DeVal. Yeah, movies or grownups. This is a good movies for grownups movie.

That spirit nomination to me, I'm not saying it's a bad performance, but it does feel like, well, Bill Murray was nominated for a movie. Or Bill Murray was in a movie that we can nominate. Sure. Because not nominating DeVall at Indy Spirits, but nominating Murray is odd, I think. Were those in, what were the lead nominations that year in Indy Spirits? Well, please. I mean, you probably have, well, Franco wins, right? Franco wins.

Actually, you know what the, who are the nominees is, is Ronald Bronstein for Daddy Longlegs. Aaron Eckhart for Rabbit Hole, as I said, Ben Stiller for Greenberg. And then John C. Riley for Cyrus. Yeah, I would put Duval over a lot of these guys, actually. So I've never seen Daddy Long Legs. No, I'm not going to impugn. Ronald Bronsting in any way.

I, were you a 127 hours person? I was. Really did not like that movie when I saw it in the

theater. I thought it was kind of modeling and... At the time, I was very, very pro. I wonder if I

would feel the same way now. And I don't want to just be like, well, James Franco is now out of fashion. So I'm now going to turn on

127 hours. It's one of my more, it's another thing that pisses me off about people. Joe gets pissed off this week, guys. But,

The narrative around that movie, though, was always kind of annoying that season. So maybe I was also being harsher on that movie because the, this movie is making people faint. Yeah, that's right. I forgot about that. And then you show up to the movie and it's, ah. My least favorite narrative about 127 hours was, this movie doesn't care about its female characters.

Well, it only cares about this character. Shut the fuck up, guys. And I do also think some people read that movie as this guy is annoying and bad, but that's the narrative of the movie that he goes through this experience and comes out the other side. This was the free solo thing as well. Caring more. Where people are talking about free solo. I'm like, I didn't like free solo. That guy seemed like an egotistical, like, narcissist.

I'm like, oh, really? That's what the movie is unpacking, you know? Yeah. Yeah, like, just media literacy. You did it again. I didn't. Yeah, I did not like anything enough in 127 hours to really need to revisit it. I think going back to revisit that, yes, I probably, I can see myself not appreciate.

I will say, though, it looks like a billion dollars. It looks really beautiful. There's some really, really great shots in that cinematography is really great. But yes. So, yeah, I think Duval belongs on that list. Indie Spirits in 2010, do better. I forgot that Dale Dickey won

supporting female for Winter's Mone. That's a good choice. Oh, yeah. She fucking rules in that movie. She's so good. I'm always, what was I watching that Dale Dickey showed up? And, of course, I did the Leo once upon a time in Hollywood pointing at the screen meme.

It was, like Dale Dickey. It was. Was it a movie? We did? It might have been, because it's nothing recent, because I have yet to see Hunting Wives. Apparently she's on Hunting Wives. Because I feel like I saw something recently where she was, it was like a younger Dale Dickey. Oh, it was being Flynn.

Oh, right. She shows up in Being Flynn. She shows up in Being Flynn. That's what it was. That's what it was. It wasn't, that was still two years after Winter's Bone. So I take back. Oh, and it was also Super 8.

Yeah, so we've had Dale Dickey a couple of times recently. Dale Dickey, six-timers, maybe coming up soon. Bill Murray's six-timers. We're still having some fun with the format this year. Yes, we're trying. We have so many that can happen. We're just, you know. So many that are happening.

I feel like the format of the quiz had gotten a bit musty, a little bit samey after all these years. So we tried a little bit with the trailers quiz. I liked that fine. I thought for this, for the time being, I'm going to try something new where Chris and I have independently picked out a short monologue, a series, a quote of some sort, spoken by a Bill Murray character from one of his six movies in the six timers. We are going to perform that quote for each other, the quotes that we've chosen for each other in the the style of our own choosing. We can do it monotone. We can do it with flair.

We can do it with an accent. We can do it however we choose to do it. Then we will try and guess what each other's movie is. And that's it. That's the game. Chris, the six movies on Bill Murray's six timers really do run the length and breath of this had Oscar buzz. Episode 10

was Hyde Park on Hudson. My beloved, dearly departed Roger Michel's Hyde Park on Hudson, also known as a cousin fucking in the Hudson Valley. And that was followed by St. Vincent, then

the Life Aquatic with Steve Zisu, then the Monuments Man. So it was a big, a big old jump from we, there was a while there where we didn't talk about any Bill Murray movies at all. And then the Monuments Men and then the French dispatch another Wes Anderson movie. And finally, get low. I have chosen the quotes. Have you chosen a quote? I have.

All right. I've done the like college theater audition thing where I've kind of stitched something together into a small brief monologue. Oh, I love it. I tried to, like, just find a, um, a bit of text that had a little bit of heft to it that was not quite giving the game away as to what movie it's from. There was a little bit of a challenge, but I kind of like a challenge. Would you like to read yours first, or would you like me to read mine first? I'll read mine first. All right.

See, uh, if you can guess the movie. Can you name, uh, oh, you did already name our, our movies? I did. I did. Yes. All right. So for you, I have. have a dramatic reading. Okay.

Rats, vermin, jigilos, streetwalkers. You don't think it's almost too seedy this time. For decent people, pickpockets, dead bodies, prisons, urinals. You don't want to add a flower shop or an art museum, pretty place of some kind. What Bill Murray movie is this from that we have done on this podcast?

I have a guess. I'm going to wait until I read mine to you, and then we can make our guesses. How about that? Okay. Okay. Mine, I'm going to do in the style of Wario. Oh, great.

I'm upset at first. I mean, obviously, people are going to think I'm a showboat, a little bit of a prick. But then I thought, that's a me. I said those things, I did those things. I can live with that. You're a good writer, Jane. That's it. I based it all around

That's it That's a me That's a me All right After that It's you, Valentina All right I think I know

I know what yours is from Do you know what mine is from? I can give it to you again If you want to give it one more time Will you give it in the style of Waluigi This time All right I think yours is a saint

No Because you're a good writer Jane. Oh, this is Life Aquatic. It is Life Aquatic. To do it in the style of Wau, Luigi, I would have to start with, yeah, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And then just read it.

Yes, your good writer, Jane. Jane Winslet Richardson, one of my favorite names in a Wes Anderson movie. Yes, this is him talking about after reading her article that she wrote on him. Yours, speaking of Wes Anderson,

is Arthur Howitzer from the French Dispatch talking about, is it Sazirac? Editing down one of Owen Wilson's pieces. Yes, yes. You don't think it's too seedy? Yes, I love that scene. I love everything about the French dispatch. I almost, I chose mine because I wanted to fool you into maybe guessing St. Vincent,

so I'm glad that you at least. It does sound like the St. Vincent monologue until the end, and for a second I was like, does somebody write? It was the Wario that threw you off, wasn't it? Doesn't fucking. Wasn't it? No, not really. It was.

Yo, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wow. That's it. Anytime Waluigi gets hit with a shell, that's all I can think of. I want to play Mario Kart. I'm going to dig out my GameCube, and I'm going to play some fucking double-dash today. Why don't you just get a switch? Get a switch. You get a switch, we can play Mario Kart together, virtually.

What version of, is it, can you play old Mario Card, or do you have to, like, play the new Mario Card? They do, if I remember correctly, have old levels. Okay. Like, you can play an N64. How much does a Switch set you back these days? I don't know. Is it like $300 or something? Yeah.

I have no idea. Okay. Well, anyway. I don't want to... We don't have the new one. I never bought... Remember when they sold the, like, classic Nintendo with, like, the preloaded games on it, the little, like, mini Nintendo?

I never bought that, and I do regret that because I would probably... That would be a good, like, haul it out and just, like, decompress. If I could play, like, old video games, like... old legend of Zelda just to like clear my head well you know if you get a switch you can pay for like a Nintendo membership it's like a hundred dollars a year and you can have that for multiple gaming systems play contra or whatever yes it's not a bad it's not every game that was issued because of publishing stuff sure they a few years ago worked really hard to get golden eye on there i don't have this membership anymore.

My video game experience is, goes back far, but it is very narrow. Like, even when I was like, when I owned a Sega Genesis,

when I owned a Nintendo entertainment system, I had very few games that I cycled between. And it was like, Mario 3, Legend of Zelda, Mike Tyson's punchout,

Contra. And then on Sega Genesis, it was like Sonic, Sonic 2, Mortal Kombat 2. And then like, NHL 96 or whatever. And I never played the Madden football games, but like, anyway, it was just Aladdin. I think we had the Aladdin game. But like, I tunnel focused on like the two or three

video games that I really loved. And then when I bought GameCube, I literally bought GameCube so that I could play Mario Kart Double Dash. And that's essentially the only thing I ever played on GameCube was Mario Kart Double Dash. And I never regretted it. It was so far. I would still... I have narrow video game experience. I am never playing the most updated system. I'm bad at video games. Like, I can play Mario games,

but these, like, the games that get super popular I'm terrible at... Everything, like, video games as they exist today, have almost nothing to do with video games that I used to play to the point where I'm like, it's pointless for me to even be like, oh yeah, I used to play video games. Because it's like, not really. Not the way that, like, they exist nowadays. Not the Last of Us and Halo and... Require so much of your free time that, like, we do not have to...

Yeah, I mean, like, I funneled that into watching Get Low on a Friday night. So, yeah, we've all made our choices here. I think this is the most Tooby movie I've ever watched on Tooby. Oh, you watched it on Tooby. I shiled out the $4 to watch it on Apple TV Plus. love getting medical ads and things for like Toyota Four Runners. I dipped back into Pluto TV the other day. I should remember more often that Pluto TV exists because I spent a good evening just flipping between all their reality TV channels, and it was bliss.

I had classic America's next top model. I had classic Survivor. I had classic Real Housewives of Jersey. it was tremendous. Danielle Stobb, Joni from a top model, and fucking what was the survivor? Well, it was one of the more recent Survivor seasons, but whatever.

Just incredible that that just exists, and you can just go on there and just like flip through and like catch in Media Res, like, old flavor of love? Like, flavor of love season two, where like New York, and boots are in a fight. It's just like, fuck yeah, dude.

Like, this is great. I mean, the thing that is, I stand by, it's, you know, worse shit happened even on Rock of Love. Because the thing about flavor of love was that it was very much, like, those contestants are there for the exposure. You're like, none of them are actually in love or looking for love. It's not the case for Rock of Love. Right.

Well, also, the degree to which, maybe not as bad as the A-N-T-M expose, But, like, I loved Flavor of Love Girls Charm School hosted by Monique so much. And, of course, if you go back to that, like, the mind games, they put those women they put those women through. Are evil.

Are insane. Like, we need one of VH1 celebrity. That actually goes hard because I don't think that the top model one really puts Tyra's feet to the fire or Ken Mock's feet to the fire. Well, and yet, Tyra still, like, served herself up and, like, made herself look absolutely, like, insufferable and crazy. It's worse than if she didn't show up at all.

Yes. Yes. But, like, VH1 Celebrality, all those shows we just mentioned, they're not even the worst ones. We're not even talking about celebrity rehab. We're not even talking about... What's the one... It's not the surreal life. Or it was the surreal life. Right.

Because the simple life was Paris and Nicole. The surreal life was old reality stars. We throw, like, Janice Dickinson into a house with, like... Yeah, and when they're really not... prepared to be on television and are not at great points in their life and it's just like fully exploiting these people. Yeah.

Yes. And yet I mean, not to be like everybody in the A&M doc but I'm like, it was a different time. Because it was, it was a different time. Um, so. Best thing about the A&TM doc is Joni pulling out her

Ziploc back of her original. We've mentioned this before. I will never stop talking about this. Look at it. Get Low episode where we're talking about VH1 celebrity. We will never stop. Again, 2010, a different time. Okay, I do want to talk a little bit about the awards run for DeVal in that we kind of glossed over him not getting a Globe nomination. Did they not run this as a comedy?

Because that, especially given such a notoriously bad comedy actor lineup, this is when you get double-depth. Giamati wins for Barney's version. I'm going to see if I can find a Sony Pictures Classics for your consideration. I tried to look and I couldn't find it. You can buy the original score by Gianni P. Casmeric on eBay in its original jewel case, so that exists. Yeah, I can't find the post. You mentioned Sony Classics, though, and Sony Classics does take a lot of movies to Oscar nominations this year, but it's movies that get single Oscar nominations. Can I say?

Sorry to interrupt you. No, go ahead. This is why we need a national archive but for Oscars-related shit, because all of these FYC campaigns need to be, like, preserved for history and be able to be, like, perused by the public because it is our right to know. The Wayback machine has gotten significantly less and less helpful, I will say. I can't depend on the Wayback Machine for this much culture. We really need to be...

preserving this stuff. I'm being facetious, but like, not really. Who's the real queen of the night? The Wayback Machine. We really should have put the Wayback Machine on the... Lifetime achievement. Ever since we did the superlatives, Gary's, I just keep thinking of things that I'm like,

well, fuck, why wasn't that on my Queen of the Night back? Oh, no, every, like, day and a half, I will get a text from Chris being like, that should have been on Queen of the Night. And every time I'm right. Here's what I say, and I'm going to say this on Mike so that we hold our feet to the fire. Today, let's start a spreadsheet for superlatives 2026. Maybe the Wayback Machine sponsors Queen of the Night, you know, like the Wayback Machine Award for Queen of the Night.

Yes. We should start a spreadsheet for Superlatives 2026. You and I each get a tab, and on our system, we don't peek in each other's but we like keep a running every time we think of somebody for this would be a good thing for superlatives I should remember this for superlatives we jot that down and then we have a

we don't let things slip through the cracks I think that's a plan all right the Sony classics these are the Sony classics movies that just get an Oscar nomination they have Animal Kingdom

Jackie Weaver I think you did a bad thing, sweetie maybe we need to say that more again You did a bad thing, sweetie I think that gets tied up too much in the Netflix series Bloodline

which for whom the tagline was we're not bad people but we did a bad thing I think Sissy Spaceik was also in that show wasn't she? But we're not ugly people harsh there are Venn diagrams happening

There are Okay anyway continue You did a bad thing Sweetie I'm gonna try to make this like a staple This had Oscar buzz Jackie Weaver

Come guest on this head Oscar buzz And talk about You did a bad thing, sweetie Inside Job The documentary Did that win? I can't remember Oh please

The illusionist Animated movie Silvan Shomei Another year nominated in screenplay but not for Leslie Manville. Barney's version nominated in makeup but not for Paul Giamatti. And then two international films in The Winner in A Better World and Anzanties. Inside Job didn't win documentary feature over, oh, this was the first year that I watched all of the Oscar nominees. Or I like, no, couldn't have been because I didn't watch Beautiful.

But I definitely watched all of the documentary featured nominees this year. I don't know why I made that a particular thing. Oh, I think it was because my friend Sarah Bunting did watch all the nominees this year, and I watched a bunch of stuff with her. And so I saw Exit Through the Gift Shopped and Gasland and Restrepo and Wasteland that year, and those were all the other movies that lost to Insight Job. That's a good dock lineup. It's a really good dock lineup.

They're all really good. I would say the weakest of them is maybe... Wasteland? And it's only because, like, I remember the least of it, but, like, Gasland had that amazing thing where they were, like, lighten the people's faucet water on fire, which was, like, such an arresting image. Exit through the gift shop was, like, legitimate, like, Normies were talking about that movie for a minute there. Restrepo is really, really good, a really good movie about the war in Afghanistan. And Inside Job for... Inside Job is kind of, like, old school documentary where it's just like

it's talking heads and it's explaining a thing to you about something that happened. But like it's so effective. And like watching I would love to go back and watch, I remember watching that movie then and people being like, this movie is grim. This movie is really telling us that like we're fucked. And like, I

want to go back to that and be like, well, yeah, we were this was a movie about the like, the aftermath of the, because inside job part two is essentially this is how we got Donald Trump is what inside job sort of leads to. Anyway, we do love a tangent. I do love a tangent, folks. Any last notes on Get Low? I think the only thing that we didn't really get into is I think Lucas Black is really good. I always, I have always been a Lucas Black fan, I will say. Add him to the list of why was this person not an Oppenheimer type of actors? Yes, what has he been doing recently? I imagine

he's been on, oh, 125 episodes of NCIS New Orleans is what Lucas Black has been up to. But he was, oh, right, they brought him back for a couple of the Fast and Furious sequels because he was, of course, famously, the star of Fast and the Furious Tokyo Drift, which was a few years before Get Low. He was in Promised Land, the Gus Van Sant movie Promise Land that we did several years ago for this. we're going to be doing Jarhead at some point in the future, and he's definitely in that. Was in the original Friday Night Lights movie.

Of course, all the pretty horses, which we've done. We've done our fair share of Lucas Black movies, actually. He's, of course, he got famous because he was the kid in Slingblade. That's the thing. And Duval is also in that movie, but they never actually shared screen time together. But he, because Duval is Billy Bob's dad in that movie.

right? He like seeks out his father at some point. I haven't seen Slingblade in a very, very long time. I haven't either, but I recall really loving it. That was 96 Oscars was interesting because of course the 96 Oscars were the big like Miramax indie Oscars, all the studio stuff had flopped. And so we're nominating the English patient and Shrine and Secrets and Lies and Fargo and the only studio nominee in Best Pictures, Jerry McGuire. And then Slingblade wins.

for screenplay and Billy Bob is nominated for actor but like Slingblade and Breaking the Waves were the two indie movies that were part of that whole movement that year

that didn't get Best Picture nominations but like we're still very much a presence in that in that award season. 96 is a very, very interesting year. Maybe you should pitch that.

That's an anniversary year this year. Maybe that's the thing I pitch sure is. No stealing. Listeners, nobody's allowed to steal that idea. I'm knee-deep in too big of a piece for me to think about what I'm pitching next. Rock on. Yeah, no, that's about it.

I didn't really take notes during this movie. I kind of just sort of watched it. But, I mean, I think we kind of said everything we need to say about the movie. even though it feels like we didn't talk a ton about it. I thought visually, I will say. It's just the vibe of a movie that I find to be pleasant and we don't get it. Shout out to Aaron Schneider and cinematographer David Boyd. I thought the movie looks really good for not being an incredibly showy movie.

It doesn't have a lot of like moodiness. I like the way that it shows the funeral scenes. You see how many people show up and how big. of an apparatus this whole thing is. And it's almost like a, it almost has a flavor of like a revival, like a tent revival kind of a thing. I just, I was, I was impressed by that. I just think it's a movie that looks good. It sounds good.

It's well acted. I'm very glad that I no longer mentally sort of brush this movie aside as like PAP. So I'm glad I saw it. Ditto. Would you like to explain the IMDB game to our listeners? Would I ever? The IMDB game is a game we play every week. We end our episodes with it, the IMDB game. We challenge each other with name of an actor or an actress and try to guess what four movies are the movies that IMDB says they are most known for. They had a little section that says known for. If any of those movies are TV shows or voice only performances or non-acting credits, We mentioned that to each other up front. It's only fair.

After one of us guesses wrongly twice, we will get the remaining titles release years as a clue. And if that is not enough, it becomes a free for all of hints. We do love it when it becomes a free for all of hints. And how are we doing this today? Are you giving or guessing first? Well, mine went away, so I'm just going to bring it back up again. I will give first. Why don't I do that?

So I went... Do you have funny? I went down the Aaron Schneider rabbit hole. It's not a very deep rabbit hole, but it's a rabbit hole that exists. And the aforementioned Greyhound and Greyhound 2 will be co-starring one Elizabeth Shoe. Elizabeth Shoe has one television show and three feature films. What was that television show? That's going to be the challenging one for you, I think.

Yeah, because off the top, I'll say, leaving Las Vegas. Yes. Adventures and Babysitting. Yes. So one more movie. Is it Back to the Future, too? She's the replacement in two, right?

Yes. That would make a ton of sense, but it's not. Oh, wow. Do I ever give a chance to mention how much I love adventures and babysitting? I know that's not like a unique opinion. One of the great things about like it is, getting older was finding out that I wasn't the only person I, who saw Adventures and Babysitting, because growing up, I felt like I was on an island.

I was like, oh, Labyrinth, fully. Labyrinth was like that, too. Labyrinth was a movie. Yeah, and it's monoculture now. My cousins and I rented that from the video store one night, and it did feel for a while that, like, there's this movie where like David Bowie plays a Goblin King and it's crazy, and then, yes. And so then growing up, it's like, oh, everybody watched that.

Oh, okay. Everybody watched Adventures and Babesying on HBO because it played nearer. constantly? Okay, got it. Well, and also, my first experience of Labyrinth was watching it in elementary school in like a music classroom where they, you know, wheel out the television. And everybody, like, my class rebelled against it. Not like, you know, with, you know, pitchforks and torches and such, but they were just like, this is weird. And I'm there. My eyes are bulging out of my head. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Bulging. And now it's, well. And now it's a little bit like, okay, let's calm down. Let's calm down Target T-shirt movie crowd.

Never. But anyway, not Back to the Future 2, even though it probably should be. Is it Back to the Future 3? No. Okay. So that's your other strike. Okay. Your years are, for the movie, it's 1997. For the TV show, it's from the years 2019 to 2020. And I don't know whether that's her stint on the show or how long the show went in general. Okay, because she was not on the show for that long. I think it tells you what her span of being on the show was, 2019.

That's not. That span is very close to succession, but it's not succession. She was never on succession. Is the 97 movie Palmetto? No, but you're getting... I think Palmetto was also 97, but no, it was not Palmetto. But you're in the right frame of mind, which is stuff she was cast in after the nomination for leaving Los Vegas. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like Ed TV.

No. That's not her. It's definitely, I'm pretty sure she's above the title in this. Yes, she is. It's not Hollow Man. That's like 2000. That's 2000. is it a rom-com?

It is not a rom-com. Or it's a romantic drama? It is not a romantic... Well, there's a romance angle to it, but, like, I would not call it a rom-com nor a romantic drama. Oh, interestingly, it's directed by a director whose name we have referenced in this episode. Interesting.

It's not Danny Boyle. No. It's not in Yari too No I will say it's also starring Its male lead is somebody who Was only getting leads Around this time

Because of a much more notable role That he played a couple years earlier So this was really like the most 1997 movie Got it Because now this person doesn't get leads No I mean definitely not Oh, because this person is no longer with us?

Correct. Okay. But also wasn't getting leads for like a long time before that. Like, before his death. Uh-huh. Oh, man, this is just getting harder and harder and harder. I feel like I'm getting further away. Okay.

Um, so it is a thriller, a kind of, um... Can I... All right. It's not a serial killer thriller. Or is it like an action thriller? It is kind of an action thriller. It's not like a volcano. No, not that kind of action thriller.

I will say, looking on the poster, there's the lead actor's face sort of superimposed over other imagery from the movie, which includes the lead actor sort of shielding Elizabeth Shoe from Daniel. Oh, it's the saint. It's the saint. Yes. You answered before I could also mention that St. Basil's Cathedral is also in the background of that poster. Yeah, I didn't want to just say like spy thriller because that would have been too easy.

But yeah, this is very much like, oh, it's very bad. 1997's The Saint is the most like could only have existed in 1997 in this way. Yep. Post leaving Las Vegas, post Batman forever. Okay. Honestly post the rebirth of James Bond. Yes. Yes. Okay.

So this TV show is not a show that either one of us has watched. But like, I'm definitely aware of it. I'm pretty sure you are too. It shows up in... Is she on, like, Yellowstone? No, it's not that vibe, but it is on a streamer. It has been successful. It has been respected, although the Emmys have never gone for it.

But there was certainly a while there. I bet you there are still critics who, like, ride for this show. But, like, there's a while there where people were like, oh, this show is, like, relevant to our times. With Elizabeth Shoe in a recurring role. I was going to say, yes, you're not going to know this show as being like, oh, the Elizabeth Shoe show. She is almost certainly a supporting... It's too late to be, like, justified, though I think you watched Justified. I definitely watched All of Justified. It's definitely later than Justified.

And Justified was FX. Yes. relevant to our times and it's 2019 so it's not a Mac show it has to be Hulu or it has to be Hulu or Netflix was it was she on Handmaid's Tale? It's neither Hulu nor Netflix Oh great a show that's very relevant to our time

what would make a show relevant to our time in our time if it's about politics and specific And specifically what kind of a figure? A Trumpian figure. Yes. Although not, maybe not the way. A dictator. Yeah, but like, there are Trumpian illusions in this show in a little bit of a different context than you would think.

What's also been the dominant cultural force of the last? Billionaires. Is this billions? No, it's not billions, but good. Good guess. What's been one of the most dominant cultural trends of the last 15 years? Billionaires taking over everything. No, but like in content-wise.

Social media. No, like the types of movies. Oh, superheroes. Oh, she was on a superhero show? Was this Disney Plus? No. What other superhero show started in 2019? It's not a...

sponsored by one of the big superhero conglomerates. It's not a Marvel. It's not a DC. It's perhaps commenting on those. Those things. And also current events.

And also the rise of fascism. It can't be watchman. That was only one season. Correct. And I watched it and she was not on it. So what's the streamer that you're missing? It's not Hulu. It's not Netflix. It's not HBO. The Keecock? No.

You're getting closer. But the streamer would have had... I mean, I guess I'm maybe incorrectly thinking that all these streamers started in 2020. This streamer is definitely one of the older ones. The streamer has been doing it... Doing their thing. Yeah. The Roku Channel.

No. You're not thinking of this because you have no respect for the way that they promote films or TV shows. And kind of rightly so. Oh. Oh, Amazon. Of course, it's Amazon. How am I just like Amazon? Doesn't exist.

Okay, so let's collect the things we know about this. What superhero show did Amazon do? Maybe my brain has just fully crashed. Oh, is it the boys? Yes, I was going to say, the show is so outside of your sphere of influence. She's on the boys? She's apparently on 10 episodes through five years of the boys. Yes.

I imagine she's probably some, like, villainous, like, higher up figure who only gets trotted out once or twice a season is my guess. Saturdays are four. The boys. Saturday. Her character's name is Madeline Stillwell,

and it's Madeline with a Y, so I'm like, this is a villain. Like, this is a villain's character. She's in charge of things, and she's bad. She's like the head of the CIA

or something like that on the boys. All right. That was an adventure in babysitting and otherwise, but you got there. What is yours for me? I also went to Greyhound, someone we've done before, but not... I love that we both had to go to Greyhound because we had no other options. But, you know, a huge name, so we've done this person before, but not in a long time,

so I'd be willing to bet that it might have updated. It is the star of Greyhound 2, Speed 3, Tom Hanks. Fuck, Greyhound 2, Cullen Speed 3. I need this to happen. Okay, we've never done Hanks, or we just haven't done him in a very... a very long time. We haven't done him in a very long time. All right.

Hanks. Yeah, Hanks. Hanks is one of those people who's a challenge, not because, oh, my God, I can't think of a Tom Hanks movie. Or that, like, one of his known for is going to be something so obscure. But it's like... Well, but also, once you get the years, you can get it. Right. But that's the thing.

So it gives me extra pressure to get it done before the years. Because once I get the years, I won't feel good about having gotten it, right, because it'll be too easy. But there are, like, 20 things that could be good Tom Hanks. known for us. Okay. Forrest Gump. Forrest Gump is correct. Okay. That's one. So other options. Philadelphia, it's his other Oscar win. Saving Private Ryan, it's one of his best known movies, and he's the lead.

Big, because it was the first thing that got hit famous, but it's a 1980s movie, and there's usually some recency bias to this. And then there's like, you're a, uh, Captain Phillips's and your Bridge of Spises and you're Apollo 13s and you're that thing you do's because he also directed that. Oh, by the way, are these all acting credits? They're all acting credits because this is the thing that I was going to say is I do think it's crazy that Woody is not here because I do think when we think of Tom Hanks and Tom Hanks' performances, you're probably lying if you don't say Woody is in the top five. You mean Toy Story? Of the things you think Toy Story.

Well, he plays with us. No, but I also have that thing where if my brain isn't directed to think about animation, I don't think about animation. Right, right, when you play this game. But I do think if we're going to say that there is something really, you know, the thing that should be there that's not there, I can at least say now that it's Toy Story because I didn't tell you there was any voice performance. Okay, so I'm going to say saving Private Ryan. Incorrect. Philadelphia. Philadelphia is correct.

Okay. Okay. So. Both of his Oscars are on is known for. So then do I lean? I mean, Saving Private Ryan was a nomination. So maybe do I lean recent? Something tells me that Apollo 13 is one.

So I'm going to say Apollo 13. Also incorrect. Damn it. Your years are 1998 and 2000. Oh, you've got mail? Oh, sorry, 1988. Oh, okay. Did I say 98?

Yes, you didn't. I meant 88. Um, big. Big. And castaway. Castaway. You know what's interesting here? Yeah.

His two Oscar wins and then two movies whose posters are just this man's face. Yeah. Also, they were Oscar nominations. In 2026 being sold just on an actor's face. Like, you would need some type of quirky poster, right? Can you also imagine the degree of low media literacy, conversation that would happen around big today? Oh, sure.

Like nightmare fuel. Absolute nightmare fuel. I don't always want to... Elizabeth Perkins would have to go into hiding. She would literally have to remove herself from society. I wouldn't want to regularly do this, though it would be a fun wrinkle to do sometimes for this game. The IMDB ratings for movies, which is Of course, and has been for a very long time easily manipulated because there's nothing but racists on the internet.

And fluctuating. Yeah. Make, you know, habits out of, you know, giving low ratings to any movies that are about black people. Yeah. So that's why, like, those ratings mean nothing. Yeah. Though of this four for Tom Hanks, especially since you made me sweat a little bit. Yeah. You have to guess which one has the best and the worst IMDB.

rating between Philadelphia Release order Philadelphia Forest Gump Castaway Away big Which has the best

IMDB rating and which has the lowest Oh this is tough Okay I'm going to say People are weird about castaway So I'm going to say

Castaway the lowest Okay What do you say is the highest Philadelphia You're wrong about both Big is the lowest And Forrest Gump is the highest I literally picked

The two wrong movies Big is the lowest? Big has a 7.3 and Forrest Gump has an 8.8. So it is a little splitting here. They're all pretty close, but... The essays that I could write about what that says about America, about people who... About people who rate movies on IMDB.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, we've been talking about this for a while. We should probably wrap it up, but this was a very good and fun conversation, Chris. I think that's our episode. This movie's on Tobe. Go check it out on Tooby. Go check it out on Tooby.

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