This Had Oscar Buzz - Mailbág: Goodbye 2022

Episode Date: December 26, 2022

We are bidding adieu to 2022 with our annual mailbag episode!! We dive into a feast of listener questions, kicked off first with a mini 20th anniversary celebration for The Hours and THOB-adjacent questions about theme parks, Drag Race, and the Emmys. We unpack the current Oscar race, including Cate Blanchett’s default status as the … Continue reading "Mailbág: Goodbye 2022"

Uh-oh, wrong house. No, the right house. I didn't get that! We want to talk to Marilynne Heck. You write it and I'll tell you what I want to say. Okay, shoot. Dear Santa Claus, how have you been? Did you have a nice summer?

How is your wife? I have been extra good this year. So I have a long list of presents that I want. Oh, brother. Hello and welcome to the This Had Oscar Buzz podcast, the only podcast that is nothing, nowhere, never. Every week on This Head Oscar Buzz, we'll be talking about a different movie that once upon a time had Lofty Academy Award aspirations, but for some reason or another, it all went wrong. The Oscar hopes died, and we're here to perform the autopsy.

I'm your host, Chris Fyle, and I'm here, as always, with my old acquaintance who should not be forgot, Joe Reed. Hello, I am coming to you from inside of a bomb cyclone right now, which is fun. Very seasonal episode with the wind. Yeah, listeners, you may hear gusts of wind battering my home at some point. You may hear also my brother's dog because the family is all home for the holidays. Huddled together potentially losing power soon. Oh, my God, knock on wood.

If we have a sudden change in, like, audio quality and our energy level, we are recording this on the day that, you know, a good swath of the country is covered in ice. And wind and snow and just frigid temperatures. It's fun. It's good time. It's good time. Instead of being in a metaphorical, you know, ice barren land that we have locked each other in keeping each other warm and upbeat with stories of Oscar, we are literally doing that this time. Right. Do you really have plans to see Babylon today? Yeah, both of our plans.

We both had individually planned to go see Babylon today, and the weather has thwarted those plans. So listen, I was about to, as I told you, as we were getting on this call, I was going to bundle myself up like the little brother in a Christmas story and waddle the half mile I go to my theater. It would have been a real battle for your life, Babylon. We love it. I will let go of my heart. I will let go of my head and feel the cold. Oh, my God. Babylon.

We're here to do the mailbag. Yeah. We love a mailbag. Thank you so much for your thoughtful, fun, and always exciting questions, listeners. We got so many. I feel like we got even more than last year, and they were all fantastic. We had a lot of questions that we either answered recently since we'd accepted questions, and we have some that will even be kind of answered. certain episodes to come. So apologies if your question is not asked on the show.

You all did wonderful. We appreciate and love you. And hopefully this is a nice end of the year treat for you all. It's a certainly a nice end of the year treat for us. Yes. Yes. We're here to have fun. We hope this is fun for you guys. However, in

the submission tool, a lot of the Garys out there did not read the instructions to leave their names. So if you submitted a question and it gets asked, but you didn't give your name. We will just be referring to you as Gary. What's fun about that is if you are

a listener who sent in a question, your question wasn't asked, you can just pretend to be one of the Gary's that has the question asked. That's true. You can always do that. You can claim what is it? Collective, you can claim

the collective noun that is Gary and fit yourself under that umbrella. Yes. It is a, I would like to claim it as a gender-neutral name. Absolutely. Yes, very good. I mean, there are many Gary's in the culture. There's Gary Cole.

There's Mavis Gary. That's straight. Others. We definitely need to do at some point. Yeah. Before we get into the questions, though, Joe, do you have any updates for us on the Vulture movies Fantasy League? Yeah, I certainly do.

So this week, if you are a participant in the Vulture Movie Fantasy League, of course, you know, I send out a newsletter on behalf of Vulture every week to update. We will not be having a newsletter on Monday, Tuesday, the 26th, because we are taking the holiday off, but we will be back on January 3rd, which is the day after all the Rotten Tomato scores lock in. So that'll be that big update plus whatever avatar the way of water box office points will have accumulated will know by then whether Babylon has boy tough weekend for Babylon to open just in general with you know dicey box office prospects and then on the top of this this like storm that's covering half of the country so like I'm not anticipating great box office results from Babylon but whatever same goes for it probably would be a rough box office weekend just because of this crazy storm. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Also, I want to dance with somebody opening a movie that I've been curious to see what the audience is for that one because it's potentially bigger than we think. But yet, I agree. I don't know.

Will the audience be satisfied by the movie, though? Right. Well, I haven't seen it. I can't tell you. I will definitely be seeing it because right now it feels like there are maybe 10 movies playing in theaters total. Because everything, all the screens are being gobbled up by three hour plus movies. One in particular, yes. Well, even Babylon.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah, but I don't think if we're going to be complaining about, you know, our multiplexes aren't, don't have room for anything else. I'm not going to put that on Babylon. Like, that's James Cameron can own that one for a while. Anyway. The Disney Corporation can own that. Sure. Why not?

God forbid, we blame James Cameron for. anything. Okay. What we talked about in the newsletter this past week, though, I thought it was kind of interesting, and I wanted to bring it up a little bit. I did a little, you know, I love dumb math that doesn't make me have to go too far into the mathematics of it. So what I did was I wanted to know what are the best value picks so far, because we're at the sort of end of Critics Awards season. So we have a good chunk of awards points, and it's like, what was the best bang for your buck selection that you picked up for like a very low cost but has given you um you know a good amount of money because like everything everywhere all at once has gotten

a ton of points like i pick that movie and i'm really glad i did because i've gotten like hundreds of points but it cost me a pretty penny it cost me you know 60 dollars in the of my hundred dollar budget so on a per dollar basis it's been okay you know what i mean but like there are other movies that you could get for relatively cheap that have really paid off. So I sort of did the calculations on that. Have you looked, Chris, or can I surprise you with what our number one best value movie is? I did see, and I thought that it was fabulous. I loved it.

Dale Dickey and West Studi in A Love Song, which was a Sundance hit at the beginning of the year, cost a dollar if you wanted to pick it up. It was the cheapest movie you could get, and it is thus far gotten. 35 points in the league, which, again, in a league where everything everywhere all at once is pulling in 400 something, not a lot. But if this was your last movie you picked for a dollar, like 35 points is, you know, that's pretty good. It got some independent spirit nominations. It got cited on the national border of reviews top 10 independent films. It got a movies for grownups nomination for Best Grownup Love Story. I swear to God, if a love story doesn't win best grown-up love story, I will protest outside of the AARP headquarters. I'm just happy for it. I'm happy for a nice, good, well-chosen. That was a smart pick by you.

If you picked a love song, you deserve those points. The second one on our list is one that has gotten a little bit more hefty in the points-wise, and I think has a brighter future down the line, too. So if you picked up RRR for $3, that's gotten you 100 points so far. So quick little math, that's 33.33 points per dollar. And I think it's still going up. This is a movie that's going to get some Oscar nominations. And at $3, that was a really smart pick for you.

Going down the list, we've talked about Emily the Criminal before. Emily the Criminal is doing actually really well this award season. And honestly, here's my question to you. So thus far, 50 points off a $2 purchase, which is 25 points per dollar, which is pretty great. Good for third on our list. It's gotten independent Spirit Awards points and NBR points and whatnot. Here is my question to you, Chris. What we know about the Screen Actors Guild and its ability to every once in a while throw in a wild nomination,

like as Sarah Silverman in I smile back. Is Aubrey Plaza and Emily the Criminal a possibility as a super left field wild card? I think that is the perfect analogy for if it happens that it's like

that. But people would respect it more because I think people sort of snickered at the Sarah Silverman nomination. The thing I think makes it unlikely is from what I remember of that season is Sarah Silverman actually like did a shit ton of sad Q&As for it.

They got the screener out very early. I don't think that's the case for Emily the Criminal. But it did get put on Netflix recently. And we've seen that like movies that get added to Netflix. And it was at the top of the charts for Netflix too. Exactly. Exactly. So I'm not saying it's going to happen.

But if it does happen, just remember what podcast you heard it on first. No, I think I think there's some logic there. I would be, I would put the safer money that Emily the criminal has, you know, reached the end of the line as far as the poor. That's the more likely scenario, yes. But that is not a crazy idea to throw out there on your part. Next down on the list, we've talked about how good After Sun is doing in the fantasy league and also just an award season in general. I think that's a movie that has not seen the end of its rope yet. I think there are Oscar, there's Oscar potential for that movie that I'm very excited about.

Um, that's 120 points off of a $5 buy. Pretty good. After that, after Yang, which people forget, like those first couple awards, uh, entities with the indie spirits and then the New York film critic circle, because it's shared best actor with banshees of in the Sharon. That's where all of after Yang's points have come so far, but still, that's 40 points off of a $2 buy. So that's still good for fifth place thus far on our value list.

Number six is the big boy. She's in a Sharon, which is currently, I believe, second or third? I think it's third. Currently third in points from awards for the league thus far, off of a $20 buy. Currently, right now, if you look at the leaderboard on the Vulture Movie Fantasy League, which you can look at, by the way, if you go to moviegame.vulture.com and click the link to the landing page for the league. you can go and look at the standings. I think the grand majority of everybody at the top of the leaderboard are people who picked

banshees of Innesharin and Tar together. Like that combination has been a real winner and, you know, good for them. So that's 300 points off of the 20. That's 15 points per dollar. After that is living. Bill Nye is here and I am living. 75 points thus far, off of a $5 pick. Bill Nye has best actor hopes ahead of him, which is good.

So I think that could keep going up, up. Causeway is next on the list, almost entirely off of Brian, Tyree Henry, getting Best Supporting Actor placements, various places. Do we feel like he's a Dark Horse contender to get a nomination and Best Supporting Actor, or no? I do. I'm really, I mean, and they seem to be doing a lot for that movie in terms of like

Q&As and such. I think in the case of Coda, it was a huge question mark throughout that season, and that was a good strategy for Apple. It does seem to be, as far as that campaign is concerned, hitting all the right marks. I do just really worry about how many people are actually seeing that movie. I mean, I feel like nobody's really talking. about it. He's incredible. He's, you know, probably on my ballot. Um, and I mean, we want to see him be an Oscar nominee. We know he will be at some point. Yeah. I, I'm just curious that people are

watching a movie. I would agree with that. And I definitely think that, like, as far as the rest of the, the season is concerned, that's not a movie that's going to show up for anywhere but him. Yeah. Oh, definitely. Uh, ninth place on our value list is Elvis, which has gotten 135 points thus far off of a $10 buy. Those points have almost entirely come in the last week or so from the Golden Globe nominations and the Critics' Choice. Elvis, I think, is coming on strong at exactly the right time. And we'll talk about a little bit.

I think there's a couple occasions in our mailbag where we can talk about the current race and where Elvis stands. I think Elvis is positioned very well. I think there's potential for when the Oscar nominations come out for Elvis to be the nomination leader. Whoa, that is a... I think there's potential for that. That's a big statement.

All right. And then 10th place on our value list, another one that I think is coming on strong at the right time, which is All Quiet on the Western Front, which has gotten 40 points thus far off of a $3 buy. It showed up on a lot of the Oscar short lists the other day. So the nomination count for this movie could be in the, like, five range. You know what I mean?

Like, I could definitely see a five nomination morning for All Quiet on the Western Front. And not, like, in some ways, give or take a Pinocchio, in some ways, All Quiet on the Western Front is kind of Netflix's best awards play thus far. Yeah, when there was all this hand-wringing a few months ago of like, what's Netflix's big play? Is it white noise? Is it Glass Onion? Is it Bardo? And it's going to end up being Pinocchio in All Quiet on the Western Front. Pinocchio is less surprising because it's Guillermo del Toro. Of course. We knew, yeah, I think we all sort of saw coming down the pike that, like, Pinocchio was going to be a big. contender and animated. That's why I drafted it for my team. But as the season was starting, we thought it would just be a contender and animated. And now that's not going to be the case. Right. It feels like that's a three or four nomination. Yeah. Yeah. A gainer. So, all right. So anyway, that's your Vulture Fantasy League update thus far. Chris, how are you feeling about your team? I am hovering around the thousandth mark. I knew that my, my, my team was never going to be a box office team. This is my team is about the long haul. I do think some of the gambols I took in terms of getting points throughout the season for international features and documentaries aren't going to play out. And I wish I might have drafted something like RRR in my. Yeah. If you could if you could ditch one movie from your team and pick up something else, what would you ditch? Well, I mean, that's that's hard to say. Hindsight is 2020, especially when we're talking about these one. movies that are yielded.

I'm just saying, I picked Lyle Lala Crocodile on the hopes that it would end up on the song list and it didn't even make the bake-off, so I am regretful. I would boot Corsage, which I do think will ultimately be nominated. Corsage has been very quiet, yes. But Corses is not going to win any critics prizes for international feature. It's not going to show up the costumes. The hopes that Vicky Creeps might be an outsider choice for Corsage really depends. ended on it being, winning a bunch of critics prizes for, uh, for international film.

In a less competitive and like, by competitive, I mean, like, there's four slots, probably entirely locked up. Uh, I think in a different year, she probably had a really good shot. Yeah. People really like that performance. People really like her. She's getting out there for that movie quite a bit. She was in that criterion closet the other day. Listen, on her Instagram story Vicky's great on Instagram, Gary's. You need to follow

Vicky. She's like constantly on planes going to different cities to do Q&As for this movie. She's getting out there, but... Do you remember how she showed up before our screening of Corsuch at Tiff in her full like party gown

ready to like go to the premiere? Look to me. She said something. She was like get ready for a wild ride or something about the movie too and I was like god I love you I will love you forever all right do we want to delve into that's our vulture fantasy movie league update by the way go to one more time moviegame dot vulture.com and click the link to the landing page there and see how your team is doing thank you this being our year end episode thank you to everybody who participated in the vulture movie fantasy league and continues to participate

It's been very fun. So I like seeing people tweeting about it and just sort of like, this is how my team is doing. Like after I send out the newsletter update on Tuesdays. So Cameron Sheets, I see you. And I'm glad that you're happy with how your team is doing. All right. This is when the points are going to kick into high gear, too. So it's about to get really fun for everyone.

Yes, yes. Let's get into questions. Let's do it. Joe, I am so proud and honored by our listeners. and the garries, each and every once, many people did, knew that this would be coming out around the 20th anniversary of the motion picture, The Hours. I know. A movie that means so much to us.

My life kind of went into turmoil in the last couple of months, so I wasn't able to write anything about the anniversary of the hours. And I am sad about that. Yeah, I hate that I'm not getting to do any 20th anniversary stuff for the movie. I'd thrown out to you at the beginning of the year, I was like, what if we just drop like a surprise Christmas gift to people where we just said and talk about the hours? You did mention that. Listen, nothing says we can't do that in the future. But yeah, this was...

Maybe 25. Yeah, this last couple months was not the time to do it, unfortunately. Well, luckily, we can have a small little window of our episode to talk about the hours because Because my lovely listenership knew that we love talking about it, and they wanted to hear us on it. So we have some questions on The Hours. Let's get started with Andrew's question. You've been tasked with recasting the hours without reusing any of the previous stars. Take us through your role choices and speculate wildly about who would receive Oscar Buzz. I like this.

All right. Why don't you start off, Chris? Because I'm very curious to hear what you have. I intentionally kind of started us off with what I've found to be maybe the hardest question we received. Because I think the temptation is, as people who were ground-level fans of this movie, is I think what people don't kind of understand is these three actresses headlining this movie at that time. Yeah. I think that's incredibly hard to recreate. And it's not just like you would want to happen.

to the point where I didn't do that. Like, I went the other, I went another way. I kind of did, even though I don't feel great about it. Because of this slippery thing of, like, you're talking about, I mean, Merrill is the Titan. And, like, Merrill would go through several resurgence, but, like, this was the beginning of one for her. And then Nicole Kidman, Julianne Moore, two actresses that we know are going to be definitely getting Oscars. And, like, they're also reaching a peak of their. careers as well. And it's like, who right now is doing that? Who is doing that, you know,

and who is right for these roles, too? I think in terms of who's going to, the Oscar buzz portion of this question, I think probably the people in the same exact roles that got Oscar nominations, plus whoever would play Corrosol-Sle-on, because Merrill-Lan, because Merrill didn't get nominated. Right. And maybe if you have someone who just, like, blows into that scene as well as Tony Colette does as Kitty, there is a possibility of that actress doing it, because that seems so good. But yeah. All right.

So I cast the three main roles. I didn't really move beyond that. Yeah. But I also, with the caveat that, like, I didn't do a great job of matching everybody up to be the same age. But, like, I went on. vibes. Well, I mean, from the text, I don't think everyone is cast as the right age, so we can, we can play flimsy with that. So for Clarissa, I thought of the three main roles, I think the Clarissa role is the best opportunity to cast a non-white actress in this cast, which I think you would want to do if you are making the hours today. And I immediately, even though I think she's right now probably old, like a good bit older than Merrill was when she played the role. But Anna Devere Smith gives me the right sort of New York bohemian vibe that I think would be really, really good in that role.

And I really sort of fixated on that. I think if she is maybe aged out of that age range right now, but like I think that Clarissa role can like be flexible. I mean, it could be flexible. She's in her early 70s right now. But that's a 50-something woman ideally. I mean, you can also be flexible on when that story takes place, kind of, because it could be in the 90s, it could be in the 2000s. I probably couldn't be today because Laura Brown would be dead. Right, right.

But the other option I had was Sandra O for that role, who I think could be really interesting as a sort of, you know, again, living in the West Village, going to the flower shop. up every day, a little frazzled, a little unsure of herself. I think she could play those notes very well. For Laura Brown, I kind of fastball down the middle. I thought Diane Lane would be really, really good and interesting in the role of Laura Brown. And then as Virginia Woolf, even though I think she's already going to be probably in makeup, I would demand that she have the same makeup as Nicole. So like that's mine. Virginia Woolf is probably the hardest one to cast too. I would cast Carrie Coon, because I really feel

like she could inhabit that role really well. She'd be a good Laura Brown, too. She'd be good, I mean, she'd be good as, yes, that's true. But I just feel like as Virginia, I would want to see her sort of burrow into that woman and kind of watching her lash out

and washing her, you know, I think she would be great. I think she'd be very good at that. So, yeah, this was a fun little exercise. I enjoyed it. I kind of, Got hung up so much more on, I don't want to say status, but like emulating. No, you make a good point, though. That, like, if you're doing it now, you also want to have the, like, the thunderdown aspect of the actresses that you're choosing.

And for Clarissa Vaughn, while I don't know if this is a perfect casting, because to me, like, the quintessential Clarissa Vaughn is, like, Laura Linney, right? I thought of Laura Linney as well I mean who is in that status that Merrill was in at that time and it's like it's Kate Blanchett right now Cape Blanchet is at another peak right now and that's what I thought of again

Virginia Wolf is the hardest one to cast and I thought of maybe Sersha Ronan who is probably too young but maybe isn't I also thought of to Bickey but she's also played Virginia Woolf before Right, that's right Yeah

Shout out to Is that Gemma Arterton in that movie? I think you're right In Virginia She's the Vita I should have put that in the quiz That I gave you in Katie The last time you guys were on

But yes Yeah And for Laura Brown I thought of Emma Stone Just kind of like Emma Stone is You know built to Kind of emote

And cry, gloopy tears If you wanted to do the, like, three titans of it, though. You could do Blanchet as Clarissa, Tilda Swinton as Virginia. Oh, my God. And, like, I don't know if this really works, but like a Natalie Portman is Laura Brown. I also thought of Anne Hathaway. The thing is, I think Laura Brown's really interesting, yes. Laura Brown, I think, as written, is younger than, I forget in the book if she is younger than Julianne Moore was at the time

or if she is actually older than her husband and maybe possibly both are true. So I'm not sure. All right. Anyway, let's move on to the next one. Our first Gary question, we love you anonymous Gary. Gary asks, which

scene won Nicole the Oscar? Could she have still won had been put in supporting actress? The second part of this question I think is a trickier question. It is. If you put it down to a scene in the movie, it's definitely the train station. It's obviously the train station. I don't think a scene won her that Oscar.

No. It's definitely, but like that's clearly, that's the standout. That's the, it's one of those scenes where you, I think, you know how much I hate this day and age of, like, Twitter isolating a scene and putting on Twitter and being like, people think this is good acting, I think that's one of those scenes that could, that could really, would really get savaged by people today because you put it up and it's just her just sort of like, she's so, you know, over the top and she's dying in this town and all this sort of stuff.

But then in context, you know, you watch her sort of boil up to it. There's highs and lows to that scene, though. It's a great scene. I have no patience for people who don't like that scene. Right, right. I agree with you. I agree with you. Yeah.

I do think. I mean, I think she probably would have won no matter what. I think there was, even at the time, the hand-wringing, well, who's going to be placed in what category before we actually knew? Yeah. I mean, I think she was never going to be placed in supporting, but I do think- But that was the scuttle-butt early. The scuttle-butt early was Kidman and Supporting Streep and more in lead. Well, because she does have the least screen time of the three headliners, which...

And I think that's where that came. Who gives the shit about that? screen time. Those people that like sit with a stopwatch and like calculate screen time. I'm glad that they do because I think I like it as a footnote. I like knowing that like I can go and

I can find that information just as a footnote but not as a determining factor for anything. But I feel like that even is a decontextualization that I don't love. And like they should have all been ran and bleed especially because you have

this wealth of supporting actress actress's performances in this movie, like Tony Colette, that just never stood a change. Well, and the whole, the whole conceit of the movie is that they're all equally bearing the burden of this narrative. Like, it's, the whole point of the movie is that it's three leads, yeah. The thing that I do think is interesting about the question of, would she have won in supporting actress? I do think she probably would have, and I think she was probably the only person who could have beaten Catherine Zeta Jones. I think it's a more difficult road to it. I think for as much as, for as talented as that best actress class was,

and for as much as Julianne Moore was, like, really hitting it out of the park with Far From Heaven, I think once Kinman started to gain momentum, it was a very clear sort of shifting of the narrative. I think Catherine Zeta Jones, in the best picture frontrunner, in a co-lead that sort of got bumped down to supporting, in a, it's her moment kind of a thing, in a, we didn't know she could do this kind of a reception, she's a much more formidable competition for Kidman, especially when you looked at Kidman, and there was already rumblings that, like,

if she doesn't get this year, she's got Cold Mountain next year, so, like, you know, maybe she can just get it next year. She wouldn't have worked for Cold Mountain, no. I don't think so either, but I could see people trying to kick that can down the road and vote for CZJ instead. What I,

two things that I think are quite possible. The more possible thing is that, Merrill does get nominated in lead. Yes, yes. And then I do also think it's possible that Catherine Zeta Jones is run as a lead with Renee Zellweger if Nicole Kidman isn't supporting. I feel like Harvey Weinstein was so well-versed in Oscar politicking by then that he would not have allowed two lead actresses. But the thing about that season is there was a whole lot of battling because it's like Chicago was the one. Weinstein movie and The

Hours was the Ruden movie and they were having these screaming matches about where they were placing each of their actresses because they were both each other's competition. Pick aside, you can't resist whose side were you on, Weinstein or Ruden? We're kind of already starting to get

into this. Okay, I know. Bethany's question. The hour's only win was for best actress besides Best Picture, which of its other nominations would you give an Oscar to first? And besides Meryl Streep, what nomination would you give it that it missed? I love this question. I'll take the second part first, quiz show vibes. Easily, my choice here is I would have given Stephen Delane a supporting actor nomination. I love that answer. He deeply deserved. I think he was so fantastic.

Replace Ed Harris with him, to be honest. Honestly, yes. And I don't, like, again, I, hate at i i've never hated at harris in the movie i i appreciate him more and more every time i watched that movie but stephen delane is the standout supporting actor in my answer for the second part of the question is i think shamus mcgarvey deserved a cinematography nomination for it shamus mcgaret wouldn't what was atonement the first thing that shamus mcgharvey was nominated for that might not even be shamus mcgareby but i know that was atonement definitely was Seamus McGarvey, and I'll look that up right now. There are so many images in this movie that, for a movie that, you know, is still to this day

kind of pigeon-told as this, like, stuffy, literary ladies' picture, whatever, there are such indelible images in this movie. You know, you think about the shot of, like, Clarissa going up in the elevator, the shot of Virginia with the bird. Yeah. Yeah, Seamus McGarvey nominated twice for Atonement and Anna Karenina. So, yes. That's a good pick.

I think of the nominations it did get in order of most deserving to have won, I start with adapted screenplay because it's a really, really difficult feat of adaptation. People talked about how it was unadaptable. I mean, that adapted screenplay category is not hurting for worthy winners, though. Yeah, but the pianist winning, in retrospect, I'm like... That's the weakest of the category. I think costumes next would be my choice to win. I think those are some fantastic costumes in that movie.

Editing, because again, not an easy thing to sort of make that whole thing flow into each other very well. Score would have ranked higher on my list, but that is a all-time banger of a original score. That's my top choice. Is it your top choice? That would be my top choice. I mean, how many of people like us are like, I write to the hour. score all the time. It's true.

Of the past 25 years, I think it is one of the top three motion picture scores, not just for quality, but in terms of the way that it's kind of stayed in the culture for a lot of different people. I feel like even people who want to shit on this movie probably have high things to say about Philip Glass's score. I've talked about this year the 2002 score category before, but just to reiterate, it's It's Philip Glass for the Hours. Elmer Bernstein for Far From Heaven, which was, like, hugely praised at the time for being, you know, a wonderful sort of like A-plus pastiche of old, you know, Douglas Cirque stuff. John Williams for Catch Me If You Can, which is by far one of the best John Williams' late career scores.

It's so... It got a lot of praise for being non-John Williamsy, like John Williams was stepping out of a comfort zone. Exactly. wrote to Perdition, which is maybe my favorite Thomas Newman film score outside of Angels in America, maybe my favorite Thomas Newman score. It's so beautiful. God, talk about a score I will just dip into and listen to and sort of like melt into. And then the winner is Elliot Goldenthal for Frida.

Great score. That's a great score and a really interesting choice. No filler in this category. Not a bit, not a bit of filler. In a category that like kind of often does have filler. And so that's the only reason why I would have Philip Glass further down my list. But I think then after score, it's director, then supporting actress, then supporting actor. I think, yeah, in that order.

I, if not score, my choice might be controversial. And it's not the one that I would put at number one. Because if not for Pedro Almodovar in director, Stephen Dahl. works the shit out of this movie. I think the kind of themes that still very much resonate come from his handling of the material that he can make this a movie that is so much about authenticity

and living with authenticity in a way that still speaks to a lot of people. He gets no credit. Even among us who like rave about this movie, like we do very rarely talk about Stephen Daldry. I mean, it's an interesting, I mean, there's also Rob Marshall right there, and I think that they're two directors who have these movies that are so incredible and very well directed,

but, like, they didn't, you know, ever really reach that height again in terms of quality. Exactly. But, again, if Almodovar gets my vote, I think that's probably the best Almodovar movie talk to her. Yeah. But, I mean, I wanted to show us some love to Stephen Dolphiard. all right is that our last hours question that's our last hours question we will always be talking about the hours though so there will be always the hours you know always the hours uh so let's get into some a lot of people ask podcast centric questions which i always love and are always

very fun i love that you guys are kind of interested in the lore of the show and us as hosts uh we appreciate you let's start with christian's question first which actors of the zero to three movies already covered do you think we'll make it to the six timers club do you think any actors will eventually hit 10 movies covered we have three people on deck basically. Yeah I didn't know whether Christian's question was like do do you think any male actors will eventually hit 10 and to that I say Mark

Damon it's possible that was submitted before the we bought a zoo episode came up and Mark Ruffalo is knocking on the door as well Ruffalo and Kidman are going to be our next one yeah Kidman I think is also at nine. And Susan. Yes. And so by, at some point, I will either have settled on a 10-timers quiz that I like, or we'll just do something different every single time. I like that we do something different each time.

The other person who I actually think could be the one that hits 10 first of these names we've mentioned is Dame Judy. Dame Judy's got a lot of movies out there. She's got eight. Well, oops, spoiler. She's about to have eight. She's about to have eight. She's about to hit eight. Gary's go ahead and guess what the Judy movie is.

Of the one of the actors and actresses who have gotten only zero to three movies thus far, I looked at Carrie Mulligan and I'm like, oh, she's going to hit six at some point. There's a bunch of movies out there of hers that we haven't covered yet. that we, I think, would like to. I think wildlife is out there. Shame is out there, far from the madding crowd. I think there's a chance that she said could end up getting blanked. I think probably not, but, like, there's a chance out there.

So I think Carrie is a contender. I feel like recent episodes, just like look at the cast of those movies because we just did Man in the Iron Mask where I was like, oh, surely we're doing a six-timers this time. And it's like all those actors had had two episodes. Yeah, we've got a bunch of DeCaprio movies we could do in the future. I mean, Decaprio definitely get there. We have a movie coming up that, again, I was like, well, half of these people could be a six-timers, and they've had, like, two episodes.

So those, I think. Lots to look forward to. Lots to look forward to. I do think we'll probably have multiple ten timers. in the coming year. Well, from Peter, what were the group watches

in the Tiff house? So, leading up to TIF, we said like 15 movies we were like, oh, we'll watch that in there. We got to watch that. We'll watch that when we're at Tiff.

We'll watch it together. It'll be so fun. You really do... Not a single movie. You really do underestimate how much sleep becomes a priority when you're doing a film festival

like that. Our schedules, especially sort of later at night didn't dovetail as well as we thought. We did, I will say, though, I believe it was our last night, get to sort of crash and watch a bunch of Trixie and Katia stuff on YouTube. We did a YouTube night instead of watching a movie. What else did we, I feel like it wasn't just that. We watched some other. We did, we sort of dipped in and out of like various things, but I remember. I did make you watch my favorite of their videos together, which is

the sex explained thing on Netflix. It's hosted by Janelle Monet. Wait, was that the one where if you have a brother you gay? Yeah. If you have a brother you gay. Fantastic. We laughed a lot. That was very fun.

We were very loopy and punch drunk by that point. Yeah. At that point, all we had were five minutes of brain capacity at a time. Casey asks, if Michelle Williams somehow wins this year, will we get a new bet between you two for us to invest in since the Colin Farrell one is over? regardless. Yes, we will. We got so many questions about the bets. We got to do.

I feel like I'm just going to keep throwing them out to you wildly, Chris, and then you'll latch on to something. Right. Well, I mean... It was definitely a couple weeks ago. I feel like I proposed something, and you kind of deflected it, but I can't remember what that was now. I'm walking into the season with my tail between my legs, because Michelle Williams is not

going to win. It was such... It was sewn up, Chris. We talked about this at TIF. We were like, should we exchange the money on the same day? It'll be so funny. We're each like we're going to break even because like we're like, how should we do it? Because by that point, it was locked in.

Michelle was winning best supporting actress and Colin was getting a best actor nomination. And it all fell apart for you. I'm so sorry. To refresh for any listeners who may not be aware or have forgotten the bets, we've had running bets going on the show. We had one that ended last year. And at this point, I forget what. it was. Oh, it was that Merrill Street. You bet that Merrill Streep would get nominated for the prom and I didn't. Oh, right. No, it was two years ago. That was mostly me being a prick.

The prom was last year, Chris. The bet, it was? Wasn't it? It was not two years ago. I'm pretty sure it was last year. Yeah. The last year at this time, we were all zazzing. Like, remember, you remember. We were all doing it. Uh, when will my zazze return from the war? That has been my 2022 mood. When will my Zaz return from the war? I have not found my Zaz

this year. Wait, the POM was 2020. You're totally right. I'm wrong. Oh, well. That time has ceased to exist. Wow.

Okay. All right. The bets, though, were at the start of our podcast. The original bet was would Colin Farrell be an Oscar nominee within five years? I said no.

Joe said yes. It's going to happen. I'm going to give Joe 50 bucks on nomination morning, basically. Yeah, yeah. And then the other bet was who will win an Oscar first, Amy Adams for Michelle Williams. Right. I said Michelle Williams. Joe said Amy Adams.

We thought it would happen this year. Though here's what I will. It was going to. Here's an idea I'm going to float. Okay. Because there has been category weirdness. I'm not saying this will happen. I'm saying I wouldn't be shocked if this happens.

At this point, I don't think it's super likely, but... You think they wins with her? The Lakeith Stanfield thing happened out of nowhere. And this supporting actress race is constantly in flux and fluid. And if there's enough people voting for her, I don't think that she's in a winslet position that enough people are voting for her in both categories. But you do still keep seeing people saying people say, saying that she is supporting.

I wouldn't be surprised if suddenly she is the supporting nominee. This fascinates me? I don't think it's real, but I think there's a slimmer possibility. You're putting it in the ether. You're putting the possibility in the ether. That it could be a surprise. All right. All right.

We'll see how it goes. Hunter asks, what do you think it means that all three of the movies you pegged as the first movie of the class of have been stage adaptations? Cats, Wild Mountain Time, and Dear Evan Hanson. Hunter, you forgot that Welcome to Marwin was a off-Broadway production, except it closed. It's easy to understand why Hunter would forget that. It closed so quickly because, you know, you could really only gather one audience member at a time because it was so small. You know, you can't really get a thousand people to watch tiny people. This joke didn't work.

Wait, I would have yes-anded it, but I was too busy trying to think of what 20-22 movie with stage routes can we add to this list? I mean, I think the season's still too influx. People always ask us questions about what do we think is going to be a class of 2020 movie. I think it's still too in flux, especially after the short list just came out. Right. stage adaptation this year what are we forgetting like matilda but like there's no like there's no shot and there's no actual buzz for that that's just a Netflix movie yeah but I feel

like people are excited for that I think there's a Matilda contingent out there that is like genuinely excited for that but nobody's under any illusions that's going to get nominated for something right you're right yes um yeah I mean like we've kind of talked about this before. A lot of things are stage adaptations. Why we've kind of fallen on them. Also, Hunter, how dare you remind us that I'm going to have to watch Dear Evan Hanson?

Yeah, it's going to happen. God. I mean, a lot of it is just like that is kind of a guarantee for, you know, especially if you are a noteworthy or

previously award-winning show, you know, it feels like it's kind of a carryover thing. Yeah, I think it's definitely, it's sort of like being based on a prize-winning novel. You know what I mean? It's sort of the same thing. It's like, there is baked in expectation and prestige there, so, yeah.

I think the reason for us selecting those first is, there's a lot of Schadenfreude involved, and our listeners do love that. Yes. Yes. Shout out to our cats episode, the pinnacle of the form. Yes.

Okay, Grace asked a total goblin mode question and I love it. I'm going to be quizzing Joe on this. She offered us a little mini quiz. Oh, right. Shit. I fell in love with

and we're going to trust her answers. Can you guess which four thought movie soundtracks appear most often in figure skating programs IMDB game style? Grace has challenged you to do

the known for for thob movie soundtracks in figure skating. I am just going to unilaterally trust that Grace's answers are correct because I So my first thought was a movie that isn't eligible because it got Oscar nominations and actual wins because I do feel like I notice that like Memoirs of a Gatia's score shows up a lot in figure skating. That's interesting. give you a little hint to kind of steer you. All four of these movies are in the first hundred episodes

we've done. Okay, that is a good hint. All right. So, and can I ask another hint? Are they all strictly instrumental scores, or are some of them, like, musical that could have, like,

songs with lyrics? Well, I'm not sure if there's instrumental being used. One of them is definitely a musical that I'd be more willing to bet is it's songs being skated to. Skated to? Is that how you say that? Yeah. Yeah. They skate to him.

All right. I would watch a figure skating routine set to any song from this movie. Is it... Oh, God. First hundred episodes. My first guest was Rent. No.

It's not. Okay. In terms of the instrument... You're skating to one song, Glory. I ask you. Well, they've started to allow people to skate to songs with lyrics now. And I feel like the crossover between theater kid and figure skater kid is like not as far apart from each other. So do a, you know, high concept rent where Maureen Johnson is a figure skater and does a skating routine to Over the Moon. Is one of the instrumentals seven years in Tibet?

No. Damn. I thought I had there. Not a bad guess, because if I remember correctly, that's a Gabriel O'ReD's score. I think that's right. I think that's right. Is one of the scores, I'm thinking of like early, early this head Oscar buzz stuff, is one of the scores, midnight in the garden of good and evil? No, but you're not far off.

with seven years in Tibet, and it is very early. As in single digits, this had Oscar buzz episode. One of our first nine. Okay. You maybe forgot we did this movie. Oh, golly. Okay. Is it 1492 Conquest of Paradise?

1492 Conquest of Paradise. I bet it's the Enigma song, too. Yeah, that's a good. All right, all right. So I got one. Get the musical. Hairspray. No. We had a guest for this

musical. We had a guest for hairspray. Okay. We did. That was Cameron Sheets. That's West Cameron. Shout out. Double shoutout, Cam. Not bad. Okay. A guest for a musical, burlesque. Fuck, that's amazing. I love that. Don't you want to watch any song from burlese

in a finger skating routine? Yes, I do. Absolutely. Okay. Two more movies. Shout out Oliver. No guest. Or yes, there's one guess for one of these movies. One was a mailbag. The mailbag one is going to make you so happy that people think you're going to do it. Wait, say that again.

Two movies left. One of them we had a guest. The other was a mailback movie. What do you mean was a mailbag? Or not a mailbag movie. It was a listener's choice. Sorry. Gotcha.

Okay. You were like, what? One we had a guest. One was a listener's choice. Okay. Oh, what were our listeners' choices? Was shipping news in our first 100? I don't think so.

No. Shipping news was like a year ago. Yeah, shipping news was very recent. And it famously never won a listener's choice, though. It was in every single one, and we just did it. We were like, we're doing this. Fuck you. Right, right.

What were our listeners' choice winners? Shoot. I'm bad at remembering that. I will tell you it was not widows, though, much like Disney on ice, I would love to see widows on ice. Yes. Okay. I do believe this was our first listener's choice. It would have had to remember.

No, because our first listener's choice was episode 50. So it would have been our second. Okay. I'm just going to skip to the one with the guest. I'm trying to think of, like, our early guests. Is it Pan? It's not Pan, but it is a movie starring someone that we said would definitely make it to our 10 timers club. Oh.

Who said Ruffalo. This is the most, this is the known for a wild card of these four movies that I was like, you've got to be kidding me. Is it, um, uh, is it, so is it a Judy? It's a Judy denture. Is it Ladies and Lavender? It's Ladies and Lavender. I can't. I can't.

That's amazing. Shout out to Danita Steinberg. Danita, if you're listening, please know that Ladies and Lavender is apparently very frequently part of ice skating routine. Oh, wait, I got the listener's choice one. Oh, it's so good. It's, I would watch anybody skate to this. This soundtrack is so good.

It's Cloud Atlas, right? It's Cloud Atlas, right? It's Cloud Atlas. Atlas. I would melt into nothingness watching somebody figure skate beautifully to the Cloud Atlas score. It's so good. Oh, what a great question. Thank you. Whose question was that? Thank you for this. Thank you for bringing chaos. Fantastic. Yes. Thank you, Grace. We have another Gary question. Gary asks, if Drag Race did it, this had Oscar Buzz themed episode, what would it look like? What's the mini challenge? The main challenge and the runway theme. What is a also the lip-sync song, which All-Star succeeded, who goes home? I went so deep into preparing for this one. I'm just going to give it to you. However, I think if you have a quintessential,

this had Oscar Buzz, Drag Race, All-Star, the person who marries the high-brow, the low-brow, the stupid, and hopefully the smart, I think it's Katia. Like, Katia is winning this challenge to me. Stay tuned. Stay tuned. Okay, give us your, also shout out to a friend and former guest, Matthew Rodriguez, who's been doing the Drag Race Simulator on Twitter for like everything.

It's been very fun. Yeah. This is our version of that. Mini challenge, I said, it's get into quick drag of your favorite Oscar nominations presenter and give the most dramatic recitation of the nominees possible. And I forgot to say who would win that. I'm just going to say that it was probably like, you know what? No, Mariah Paris-Belensiaga deserves a mini-challenge win, and I'm going to give it to her.

I was going to say the mini-challenge should be, you're presenting the nominees of a category, but it's actually a reading challenge. Oh, and you're just going down the list of nominees. That's not a bad one. That's not a bad one. Well, in that case. Like, for her performance as a busted drag queen in Busted Drag Queen in Busted Drag Queen, the Musical. Nice. Nicole Page Brooks from Atlanta, Georgia.

A winner of that is a returning Delta work who has sharpened her reading skills with her podcast. Okay. No, but the main challenge of this is Fuckabee's, the Naomi Watts Rusicle. And, yes. Amazing. So your top all-stars of the week. Oh, also runway theme, which is not related to Naomi, but it's Night of a Thousand Cats, of course. That was the first thing that I thought of.

Absolutely. Everybody dresses up as their favorite character from Cats. Top All-Stars, I said, Ms. Cracker and Jujubi do the Naomi Robin Wright rolls from Ador in the Rousicle. Katia obviously plays the Russian Hooker from St. Vincent. And Kennedy Davenport sings Black Stockings, White Shoes, Shouldn't Be Allowed in the Church in character as Naomi from Jay Edgar. Black stockings, white shoes, shouldn't be allowed in the church. Singing to Jay Edgar at that point. Kennedy and Katia are your top two of the week.

So they, lip sync for your life, in a reprise of their legendary face-off in season seven. This time, it's Two Big Eyes by Lana Del Rey. I was going to say the lip-sync song should be alone, yet not alone. also perhaps that um Kennedy wins she sends home valentina who did Diana on the in the Naomi Watts rusical and was a disappointment and then whose bomb ballerina runway was also underwhelming so that is our thob themed uh drag race all-stars episode Zach is also bringing the chaos asking us you two are put in charge of designing a new theme Park. Each of the lands within it is based on a thobby studio, focus features, Sony Pictures

classics, Searchlight, what are some of the rides and themed restaurants, and who are the walk-around characters in addition to Danny Collins? First of all, Danny Collins is like the Universal Studios, like, Beetlejuice rock concert. That's like, you know, there's rides in theme parks, but there's also like shows. Obviously, you get a Danny Collins show every 45 minutes of him just coming out doing Hey Baby Doll. So I want to hear your answer to this one because I went deep on drag race. I want to hear yours. There's more than just rides. So in the Focus Features lands, you have a Wild West show of two shirtless horny cowboys wrangling up some sheep and then you might see them. make out, and then you have

it's being narrated by a homophobic prospector giving Randy Quaid drag. No, no. I thought for Focusland, you could have every once in a while, someone just rides a motorbike through the park as Ryan Gosling from the place beyond the

pines. I think that's an idea that could happen. A motorcycle ride. In the Sony Pictures classic land, you know, the walk-around characters are obviously all of the Almodovar women. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that. Played by drag queens and sometimes not.

I feel like Fox Searchlight could have the most like ready-made IRL park because you'd have a big shape of water exhibit and like... Yes, and underwater ride. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What are your other big SPC like that? Or a big searchlight rather. I feel like Searchlight is more the like Halloween nights of our park. It's like that's when you have like,

like a black swan show. That's like horror. I would absolutely go see the blacks. I would wait in line for a while to get into the black swan show. Yeah, for sure. But then you also have like the iconic, like, costume show where you have a Juno walking around. Just somebody in a Juno pregnant belly just walking around. Just a pregnant teenager.

But every once in a while, then somebody embedded in the crowd, like, emotionally crouches down. and touches her belly. And that's, that's an employee as well doing the Jennifer Gardner character. Halloween is also about straight people and straight people loved, still love to go, straight couples go as Juno and Polly Bleaker.

Polly Bleaker. Yeah, that's true. Right, right, right. I do think, however, if these are separated into lands, you know, the lands are always connected by some type of monorail that no one wants to ride, and that is our Bleaker Street Pictures monorail. No.

I like that. I think that's good. Yeah. Good question. Gary asked a fun question, another Gary, about us, and wants to know what our Myers-Briggs types are. Oh, okay. Here we go. I love this question because it got to torture Joe with it. I fucking hate Myers-Briggs, I have to say.

I love a self-actualization exercise. Listen, Myers-Briggs, astrology, it's all about self-actualization. I took the quiz that I sent to you, and I still got, I'm an ENFJ. I always test as an ENFJ. I'm a very high J. Okay. Listen, I like making a list. I like checking things off the list.

I like making decisions and moving on. What is a J? What does the J mean? I don't know what these letters mean. J and P, like, if you're a judgeer, that's a lot about like making decisions, moving on from things, uh,

like task completion, kind of. Perceivers like to take their time with making decisions, whereas, like, a J, you know, moves towards closure. A P might be someone who wants to, like, weigh options, etc. I see. So you thought that you would be able to guess mine? I definitely think you are probably an FP. If I had to, like, really nail something down, I would think you're probably an ESFP. Well, you got the second part right. But not the, I am, my, okay, so here's what it said. My personality type is mediator. Okay.

I am an INFP dash T. Interesting. Okay, well, I don't know much about the A and T part of it, but I've done like Myers-Briggs. I have a friend who's a Myers-Brick scholar, blah, blah, blah. T is like turbulent or something like that, right? Like I'm fucking Deborah Winger or something like that? I was looking into it That I can't really speak to as much

I was also a T Because A was like aggressive T I think it seemed I can't speak to it so I don't want to speak to it on here You're an INFP That is not super surprising I figured you're probably Somewhere between introverted and extroverted

Yeah I mean They gave me a whole thing with percentages But I didn't save it I just saved the top line score, because whatever. They probably emailed it to me, but... Yes, and your name from this website was Mediator. Mine was protagonist. Talk about main character syndrome.

Wow. Wow, that's a read. Geez. Here's the thing. I treat this the same way I treat astrology, which is... It gets me on a couple, but ultimately I feel like misses the... greater picture, like, in general. This at least has some science involved.

And science, that's not, like, the alignment of planets. You know, this is a lot, there's a lot of, like, uh, study that's gone into and, like, I was making the fantastic Mr. Fox quote, science, why I said science, by the way. No, there is science. Can't see me. Uh, next question, also from Gary. What's the most unhinged double feature of previous this had Oscar Buzz movies you could program at a festival?

Looping back to previous episodes, I would say this isn't going to be at a festival, but this is the theater that we're running, that we are constantly programming, much like the new Beverly and Los Angeles run programed by Quentin Tarantino. Yeah. Speaking of Quentin Tarantino, he's the part of my double feature. I would do natural born killers and Susperia just to like completely stress people out. For like six hours. Yes. The Gary that asked this question said secretary and secretariat, that is very funny. Yeah.

I mean, I don't know how you can do it. I mean, this is probably a basic answer, but I don't know how you do it without doing cats. And I feel like I'm going to program the Judy Dench monstrosity double feature and it's cats in the shipping news. That's really good. A friend and former guest, Jorge Molina, I believe, asked us a question because this question answers. ended with this is Jorge, by the way, or something like that. I don't know if that's Jorge, Melina, or if this is another Jorge who was like, oh, yeah, I have to put my name in.

I don't know we love you. This is a question that we sometimes get asked regarding Emmys and television. Jorge asks, in your opinion, what would make it this had Emmy Buzz contenders? Is it prestige talent awards winning writers? et cetera, based on IP, and what contenders would you want to cover in a hypothetical podcast spin-off? I think by nature of the Emmys having nine million categories, it's really hard to have... Something that got nothing. Like, that fully blanks.

I think the only answer that I can think of recently is Yellowstone, right? Because Yellowstone, was it completely blanked at last year's Emmys after having this massive expensive campaign. I don't know if it was completely blanked, but you could definitely, I think you would have to, like, just be like something that was, like, blanked of major nominations or something like that.

I thought, I think you can't really do prestige talent in this way because, like, TV, you know, talent is sort of everywhere on television, right? Like, you, like, I can't, you can't judge by, like, okay, so a good

contender, maybe, would be like that showtime show, the first ladies. And that's like, telling up the wazoo, right? But I think it's like you never can tell with this. I thought the first thing that came to my mind was something like the Gilded Age, which I think before it premiered, we were sort of looking at as being like something prestige-heavy. And then it premiered, and it's like, oh, fun trash. I love it.

And then ultimately it was an emmy afterthought. But I also thought of, remember that miniseries Empire Falls based on the Pulitzer Prize-winning novel that was Joanne Woodward and Paul Newman's last. That won a significant Emmy, though, right? Did it? I forget. I feel like in my memory, it was a bit of a disappointment, but I could be wrong. And this question was asked in a context of a limited series type of thing. Right. Let me look up Empire Falls really quick, because I just remember that that was, HBO put a lot of Ballyhoo into that before it, before it premiered. And I don't think it delivered. I think they wanted, because it was not too long after Angels in America, and Angels in America

was like the template for what they wanted to do with a big, splashy prestige mini-series. And this, obviously, oh, Paul Newman did win supporting actor in a miniser of a movie, so you're right. That was him and Joanne Woodward's, I believe, the last screen project together, right? I don't think. Possibly? They mentioned in the last movie stars that Mr. Mrs. Bridge was the last movie that they had done together.

And they sort of skirted around Empire Falls a little bit. It's not great, but like it has its moments, I will say. I should watch it. And it did get a bunch of nominations, so I'm totally wrong. It wouldn't have been a contender. The other thing I thought of, though, and this did definitely get some major nominations, but I think in terms of falling short of expectation, I think the undoing from a few years ago that, you know, I think people were really expecting

to be like Nicole Kidman's big follow up to big little lies I thought it was really good but I was definitely in the minority by the end of that show that like a lot of people I never watched it and people were so across the board on that show I feel like because of the nature of the Emmys

it's hard to I mean if you were going to do something like what we do it's hard to do a one to one in terms of criteria but I think probably the more interesting I mean Free idea. The more interesting idea is kind of a history of HBO miniseries and limited series. I would definitely listen to that. Because, like, that's the majority of what you're going to be talking about it. You would be talking about it anyway.

I would absolutely dig into, like, the HBO TV movies of the 90s when they, like, Alan Rickman in Rasputin or, like, there were so many, like, the one, like, obviously, like, I'm not going to be rushing to a James Woods miniseries, but, like, the one where James Woods played Roycom. own. Do you remember that? Or like McMartin, or indictment, the McMartin trial, speaking of James Woods things, that like I loved that movie. They had a, like, every year they were nominated for at least like two TV movies in that category. And they were all like kind of interesting projects in that like they never seemed like they were pandering in any way to like get people to, you know, watch. And they were just like, we're just going to be like weird and esoteric. I'm like, do our own thing. I don't know. I would love to listen to somebody to do a podcast on that. Somebody to do it. I'll and have me on as a guest. I'd listen.

Let's get into some questions about the current Oscar race. Monica says, or asks, which actor or actress gave the performance of the year and why? So I think the boring answer that I have for this is that it is probably Cape Blanchett. I mean, hard to avoid. But like, I hate, you're right to say this. the boring answer because it's like it feels like we never got I mean it feels like it's the performance of the year because it's one we're going to be talking about for years but like yeah it feels like

it was just claimed as that and never really unpacked I mean it feels like I feel like I've heard people unpacking that for like months I feel like all I ever hear is people talking about how great tar is and how great she is but do you really feel like we've unpacked the idiosyncrasies of that performance I've heard a lot of people digging into it. I don't know. Maybe that's just me. I don't know. I mean, I think it's the easy answer.

I think it is. I went for two that have not been showing up anywhere in awards conversation that I think deserve to be at the, like, very top of their lists. If not in the number one slot, then like in the least top two or three. And that would be Jack Loudon in Benediction and Rebecca Hall in Resurrection. I think those two performances are so good. and I get why they haven't been coming up because their movies were so small

and the releases were barely there. Both of them on my ballot, both I would consider. I mean, like, for me personally, like, I won't be putting tar at my number one or Kate Blanchett at my number one because of the kind of ubiquity of them, even if I feel like, you know, they belong there. But, like, my personal choices,

on top of the two you mentioned, which, like, will both be on my ballots for, you know, the things that I'm voting for, I would also add the two that I'm maybe waffling on are Tilda Swinton in The Eternal Daughter Sure And Tongway in decision to leave

Yeah Those would probably be If not Jack Loudon And not Kate Blanchett Because I know plenty of people Will be voting for Kate Blanchett But if I'm throwing my personal bids I would throw those two

As far as the why, I'm still You know We can maybe answer that in some other questions but for at least decision to leave. Tongway is a fucking, I mean, global powerhouse. I think that movie almost hinges on her performance for me in terms of what I love about that movie. And then dodges all of the things that are maybe, like,

while that's a movie that might make my top 25, the snags I have with that movie, or maybe the limitations I have with it are not at all in that performance. And I think if, you know, you're talking about like a gone girl type of female performance or, you know, something in that vein that's just so delicious, Tongue is right there. Yeah, I think I'm a little bit more negative even than you are on decision to leave. And I think Tongue is great in that movie,

but I think I'm also probably a little bit more muted on how much I'm into her. I think just in general that movie is not something that's going to show up on any of my list. The first half hour, 45 minutes of that movie are so dense that it, you know, it's divisive to be. You and I are opposite. You think it's weakest at the beginning. I think it's weakest at the end. Oh, I think that, I think the last hour of that movie is such a ride. And mostly because of her performance. Kyler asks, I would love to know your personal favorite line readings of the year. line readings are tough line readings and like scores which to get ahead of us a little bit which is an upcoming question I tend to not really internalize until I've seen movies maybe a second time

or whether things sort of like filter into the culture but I will say the one that sticks out at me still is when Judith Ivey towards the end of women talking says thank you Melvin to to Melvin after, you know, the sort of, you know, he helps out with the children. And you wonder, what is this movie going to end up saying about this character who these women don't seem like they have a rubric to address, you know, a transgender character in a way that maybe we're sort of, I was, I was a little bit nervous of maybe what was going to come of it. and just that very simple, very empathetic, and knowing, like, her character sort of knows that this is important to Melvin, to be, you know, addressed the way he wants to be addressed, and it's really lovely in a way that I think that movie is, in general, like, very quietly affecting. So, I liked it.

I mean, this is the question where I have less hesitation to be like, well, Kate Blanchett and Tar, because even in German, I am Petra's father, is like a barn burner, shut it down, I will get you. Yeah, I, yeah, that, several moments of tar would probably be it for me. What about Beethoven? And him? The little, like, jazz hands. Yes. Well, that whole Juilliard scene is just banger after banger, too. Banger.

Banger. Incredible. Max asks, what are your favorite movies of 2022, and why isn't it Bones and All? It might be Bones and All. Bones and all is in my top ten, Max. I figure this is the question about, we can talk about bones at all a little bit. Talk about bones and all.

I want to hear you talk about bones and all. I understand the divisiveness of it. It is maybe the movie this year that I'm like, if people don't like it, I get it. I get it. If people think it's bad, I get it. But, like, I loved this movie. I love Luca Guadonino in the movies that are maybe, I mean, Susperia is pretty divisive. I think people hint a lot on, call me by your name.

And there's even the, like, I am love people that I'm like, I get it, but those are not the ones that, like, make me love him as a filmmaker. Right. To me, this is one. I mean, it's brand new. I've only seen it once, so I can't maybe say it's my second favorite movie of his. But I would maybe say that behind a bigger splash, where it's like you kind of, it's these long game movies that you have to stick with to kind of realize what it's doing. I mean, I think it's as likely as it. is a metaphor for any number of things, as it is none of them.

Yeah. I think I walked out of that movie. Because it plays the terms of this story are with the cannibalism and young love. I think I walked out of that movie feeling like, oh, I wish that movie would have kind of broke open a little bit more and really sort of like became, you know, more of, you know, more dynamic or something. but, like, as I've sat with it since seeing it, and that was in October, it's really, really, it's sit well with me, and the more I remember it, the more I remember the things that I liked about it, even the things that I think are not good about it, like Mark Rylance, still feels like it he fits in a way that, like, even me thinking he's kind of bad is, it works in a way for this movie, and I do love when a performance that's kind of bad still works for a good movie. So I like that.

I think I was talking with my friend Lewis yesterday about the scene of the carnival where Salome seduces and then kills the carnival worker. And it's like, it's so hot, but, like, in a way that it shouldn't be. And I love that kind of shit. And it's a good depiction of cruising, I will say that. that is really good um so yeah i liked it i liked buns and all a lot it's creeping up my list i really respond i mean like the movie was shot i believe entirely in oh i rural ohio which like i don't live in rural ohio but like i've gone through those places i've stayed in those places and like it cap even

though it's not um you know it's filmed there but not all entirely set there i think it captures that type of town, that type of life, that type of feeling when you are raised in that type of environment so incredibly well that I was almost emotional just from that aspect of it. To answer the first part of the question, my favorite movie of the year, and I don't see a challenger at that point, at this point, is Joanna Hoggs, the Eternal Daughter. it kind of gets me in a lot of different stylistic places that I'm just sorry, I'm just going to love a movie set in an old manner in the middle of the woods somewhere in the British Isles. But I think also thematically where that movie goes is just kind of where my head is sitting in these times as I encroach 40. I'm still sitting with...

Even though it's not about a 40-year-old. Well, you know, I'm sitting with my favorites of 2022. I'm going to maybe keep those a little bit close to the best. You got some more to watch. I do. And listeners should look out for the this year's Mikey's. Yes. Yeah, coming in the new year.

Yes. Friend of the show, Jordan Valu, wants us to talk about whatever's going on in Best Director race. Yes. Okay. So we teased this a little bit in our Man in the Iron Mask. I believe, episode. I think it feels like that race in particular is in flux every single week. This is the thing.

And I think it's a really fascinating race because there's a lot of really strong best picture contenders and almost all of them have a strong director presence in them. It's feeling very 2017. Oh, yeah. That's a good point. I think the two that you can probably, even that when I say like, I think, The one you can set in stone is Daniels for everything everywhere at once. I don't see them missing.

I don't see them or Spielberg missing. I was about to say Spielberg as well, but I also feel like in a sort of like Denisville Nouve for Dune kind of a way, that like if there's a shocking omission, it wouldn't shock me that Spielberg would miss just because I feel like we're in a very taking him for granted kind of a space this year. I understand that. I understand both of those arguments. I just wonder if that is a movie that is going to be perceived differently by the industry.

That's very possible. It's very possible. Because of his stature. Yeah. I think if we're talking a second tier, I think that's where you're Martin McDonough, your Todd Field, your Baz Luhrman, who I think is like getting closer and closer to being a likely nominee at this point. I think it's going to be very weird. that Baz Luhrman's first best director nomination is for Elvis, but I think it's quite possibly going to happen again.

Famously snubbed for Mulan Rouge. Yeah. Right. Right. I think you also maybe put, maybe put James Cameron in this tier. Like, I feel like the, I don't think we've settled yet on what Avatar is going to be in this year's Oscar race. I think we are settling on that more and more as we speak. But I think a Best Picture nominee is likely, I think a best director nominee is maybe. I want to talk about this in an

upcoming question. Okay. All right. I have bigger things to say about Avatar. So, outsider contenders, though, I want to talk about this because I think Todd Field and Tar feels like taking up that slot that feels, you know,

very... And I mean, I think that's a best picture nominee, too. But I think a lot of the energy that people, you know, spend looking for something that's a little bit more appealing to the director's branch that, you know, might not land in Best Picture, you know, speak specifically to the taste of that branch, like the global taste of that branch. The more, you know, formalist taste of that branch, I think Todd Field could be taking up some of that energy in a way that it's like we, all of these are going to match with Best Picture. Maybe there's not an international feature that shows up. Well, getting into that, though, I do feel like the more and more we get into the season, I think SS Rajumuli for RRR is a definite possibility. I think more so than, I think early in the season, people were looking at Ruben Ostland and Park Chanwuk. And I think those movies have been a lot quieter in the season thus far.

I'm very curious to see if Triangle of Sadness will end up being a slow and steady movie that ends up doing really well with Oscar or, like, or not. You could be talking about it on this show at some point. The other director that I think is interesting to throw into this mix, though, is, and you can talk about the foreign language directors, too, after this. But, like, Gina Prince Bythewood has been showing up

on some list. And, like, one of them is critics' choice, and you know I don't put a lot of faith in critics' choice. Especially, we'll get into this question, too. Well, and the other one, I think, was the M4G's, right? She was a nominee at M4GIS for Best Director, which is not like an influencer on the Oscar race. But her name's out there a lot more than, you know, maybe people were predicting. And I just think it's interesting.

And that is a movie that you could, if you really dig that movie, you look at that and you're like, that is, that movie is directed. You know what I mean? Like, that is a triumph of directing. So, possibly. Very curious. And then Damien Chiselle. Like, we haven't even talked about Damien Chiselle. We don't know how people are going to receive that movie.

Exactly. Well, we both have to see that movie, too. Right, right. Yeah. The weather today. Yeah. Next question. Joe asks us, what's your favorite performance in a film you didn't like this year?

It's an interesting question. I normally... Very curious about your answer. Yeah. I think film I didn't like is a little tricky because I get into like, well, it's not my favorite, but maybe it's like, you know, whatever. I initially thought of someone like Greta Gerwig in White Noise

I don't really dig that movie but I think she's good somebody like Toby Jones in Empire of Light which like I don't think I don't hate that movie I don't think it's successful I really really liked him

in a small role in that I think I didn't dislike Bodies Bodies but Rachel Sennett's contribution to that movie so far outpaces everything about that movie that like she's

Great. Everything about that movie is, like, at best, good. I feel like everything about that movie is at best just not working. Yeah, you don't like that movie. I kind of like that movie, but I love Rachel Senate. I think the other two that I have on my list, I really was very annoyed by Michael Bay's ambulance, but I thought Jake Gyllenhall was great in it. Under no fucking circumstances, am I watching ambulance? I understand that everybody loves it ironically or, like, ironically loves it not. ironically like pass you're getting into layers now it's getting into layers uh no but that's what people want to ironically love that movie unironically and i'm yeah sitting this one out guys i'm good it's very annoying it's a very annoying you i got in there and i started watching it and i was like

right i don't like michael bay movies and this is why like that was but like but i think jake is is a lot of fun in doing uh a good and interesting job the other one i We talked about that on our Sundance episode ages ago, but Christopher Abbott in The Count of Three, which is a movie that released this year and didn't really do much of anything. I really got to disagree with people who love that performance.

Oh, I loved it. And that's an actor I love. Yeah, I thought it was wonderful. I have two answers for this. Not for movies that I dislike, but movies that I am very much on the middle of and have complicated feelings about both. One, also from this year's Sundance

that we would have talked about is Scott Speedman and Lena Dunham's Sharpstick. You are going to bat for Scott Speedman this year. I love it. I fucking love that performance. He's incredible. I don't see it, but I'm glad that you do.

I'm excited to revisit it because I think that movie is on HBO Max today. I'm excited to never see that movie ever. I understand. I want to revisit it just to maybe solidify how I feel about that movie because conversely, I loved Catherine called Birdie,

this year. A movie no one is talking about. It is fantastic. What a lovely movie. What a great cast. Andrew Scott will also be... I have two Lita Dunham supporting actors on my ballot this year. Andrew Scott will also be on it. Andrew Scott's great in that movie. Everybody in that movie I think is so good. That's also good. I probably will vote for that movie for Best Ensemble.

Watch Catholic Comedy. My other one, which is a performance, I'm kind of surprised that I feel like I'm the only person going to bat for what I think is a pretty unexpected in what she's doing and what she pulls off performance that really has stuck with me and grown in a way that my half-in, half-out feelings on the movie have stayed pretty firm is Anne Hathaway and Armageddon Time. Oh, see, I just liked Armageddon Time. So, like, that's

not a contender for this question for me. I feel like the second hour of that movie kind of blows aside everything that's really great about the first hour of that movie and that's really complicated and complexed and nuanced and I think as soon as he gets to that private school and as soon as the fucking trumps show up in that movie it does all of the most obvious things and it's like it it's a complete 180 from the type of complexity and the type of examination of, you know, assimilation that's happening in the first hour. I don't think there's anything you learn from the second hour of that movie, maybe with the exception of Anthony Hopkins' really good final scene, that you didn't learn in a much more

interesting and nuanced and unexpected way in the first. But Anne Hathaway is doing this, is playing a certain type of, like, monstrous parenting and self-preservational type of parenting and, you know, not saying everything that she thinks that's like her own weight and, you know, complicity. But also trying to force her... There's this scene in this stairwell where she, like, shoves her son's face

in a way that I found so completely disarming and so honest and kind of very unexpected from Anne Hathaway for me. that I do really love that performance in that movie I have a lot of complicated thoughts about. Cool, good. Different Anne. Anne asks us with so many so-

It's the same Ann. It's Anne Hathaway. Ann Hathaway sent this question. So many mainstream contenders this year and a guaranteed 10 nominees. How many do you think crack the best picture lineup? Is there room for everything everywhere, Elvis, Top Gun Maverick, Glass Onion, and Avatar 2, and if not, who ends up on the outside looking in. I think the one that's definitely on the outside looking in at this point is Wakanda Forever.

Yes. I like, I seem to like that movie more than everyone else. I liked it. Which is surprising. I definitely liked it. I don't like those movies, and I like that movie because I feel like it is actually about something that's not, you know, Pue, Pue, Bang. The other ones are about something, too, but it's fine.

We don't have to have a good position. Not all of them. But I was really kind of surprised for this, like, it's not just grief about Chadwick Bozeman. I think that the movie is kind of trying to deal with death in a certain way. That's complex. The movie's been out for forever, and everyone's odd so we can talk about it. I think the scene that Shuri is kind of like, well, I don't really believe in any of the kind of religion of, you know, the culture that I'm a part of.

And then when she goes to, you know, the mysticism of, like, you see a past loved one when you become a Black Panther, and she has Killmonger show up. So it's like the kind of chaos of and the grappling with, how do I persist as someone who's supposed to be a leader when I have no religious dogma? Does it also open me up to darkness? I think is an interesting question. I unfortunately think Shuri is the weak link of that movie. And I think that scene in particular, I like your take on it.

Your take on it gives me something to think about it. I mostly feel like once that happens, it just sort of takes me out of the movie and it's just like, oh, right. Like, they couldn't get Chadwick Boseman to film this. So obviously, this was their workaround. And sort of then my mind goes out to like how they had to work around it. Sure. I understand that. and I understand that it's hard for people to not see the strings of that.

Right. I ultimately think they took a challenge and asked some interesting questions about, like, death and faith, et cetera, that I wouldn't have expected from a movie like that. Yeah. To answer the question, excuse me, the only time you'll really hate me talking about superhero movies. We had this conversation, interestingly, with Katie a little bit in our group chat, though, about, like, And she made a really good point, which is it's probably very healthy for the Best Picture category and for the Oscars to have a year where even if it's stuff that like movies that I don't really love like Top Gun Maverick and Avatar 2, to add those into a category that already has everything everywhere and Elvis and maybe Glass Onion. I hope Glass Onion can make it. And something like RRR if that makes it in, like these sort of big. crowd pleaser, a lot of these movies made money, and something that shows, because I think

there are people, there's a tone out there, and you see it in some of these outlets, too. And in outlets who I don't normally feel like are snake in the grass outlets, who seem to be waiting to pounce on the Oscars this year for nominating movies that didn't make any money. People seem really, really pissed off that mid-budget and smaller. movies didn't make any money this year and feel ready to pounce on the Oscars if the Oscars don't go for these big movies. And I think the point that Katie made to us, which is this is a year that they can nominate big moneymakers in a way that doesn't feel like they're reaching too much. And I'm like, that, yes, that's a good point. And I subscribe to that.

My answer, which is my petuline answer, but it's also my real answer, is people, The idea that Best Picture nominees are not movies that make money is not necessarily true when you look back at the past decade. We have to have this conversation all the fucking time, and it's never true. I'm so tired. What people mean when they say this is they want superhero and franchise movies in Best Picture. Then just say that. That's fine if that's the honest thing that you want to actually say. My question.

What they're saying, Chris, though, is I want the movies that I saw to be in the Best Picture Race, and people are seeing a narrower and narrower range of movies. And I think that's the problem. Right. I mean, there's plenty of years recently where there are plenty of movies that make over $100 million that are nominated for Best Picture. We've had this conversation before. But it's like the conversation never really seems to get around to that. It is, you're very right. It's not we want movies that make money. it's I want movies that have made money and that I personally saw. However, the one that I do kind of feel like to answer Anne's question, I have, I'm putting a pin in Glass Onion because it literally is dropping on Netflix today. It does feel like that movie has kind of vanished from conversation when it vanished from theaters and people have kind of moved on.

So I'm curious to see if it really does bounce back into the conversation. I hope so. I do have some skepticism about Avatar too, and I like it way more than Joe does listeners. I had a great time. I was very satisfied by Avatar, too, and I think there are some brilliant things it does in making it a more emotional experience, putting it in like a story told by teens, in trying to cement its cultural place that, you know, part of the conversation was it never really had it, even though it made money.

I will say Avatar 2 actually does have, I definitely walked out of Avatar 2 with thoughts about characters in a way that I never did about Avatar 1. Avatar 1 was so purely archetypes, and at least Avatar 2 is, at times, a movie about dumb teens, and I at least enjoyed a couple of those dumb teens, so, like, that was fun. I've also seen people saying that, like, Avatar 2 is regressive. I feel like that is not, I think that's overlooking the fact that Avatar 2 is about Jake Sully realizing that his ideas of himself as a man and as a father are not helpful and not good. And I think a lot of people hinge some of that idea that it's regressive on the idea that Natiri feels like she's backburnered in a way. But every time Katie and I had this conversation, every time Natieri she's,

shows up in that movie, it is all killer, no filler. See, I think Jake Sully and Nateri are both bad, you know, interesting characters, just in general. Like, I just don't care about, I think Nateri is a little bit less interesting in this movie, but I do think that she is, again, all killer, no filler in this movie. What I, my, my hesitation about Avatar, and maybe it's just because immediately everyone was like, Best Picture, Best Director. And I even saw some people saying Frontrunner, and I was like, calmed out.

It's partly because people responded so quickly, but I do feel like it is the movie that could fall prey to just like sequel snobbery because like there's plenty of conversation that there's like sequels potentially being in the best picture. Well, the other problem that Avatar One had was the reactions were so over the top positive. and the box office was so huge that then I think it really opened the door for people who maybe waited a little bit to see it because they weren't super interested and then they watch it and are like, I guess, you know what I mean? Like there's, you really do leave so much space for people to be underwhelmed when the initial reactions are so over the top as they were for Avatar too. It's the thing that I think has been true about sequels and Best Picture in historically for Oscar, and I think could end up being true about Glass Onion is like, where's the urgency to vote for this thing?

Right. Right. Julia asks us, what's our thoughts on original score this year? We just had the shortlist, so I'm going to refresh. Yeah, you talk about this because I'm bad at doing early score conversations. The short list this year is All Quiet on the Western Front. Avatar 2, Babylon, banshees of Inasharon, Wakanda Forever, Devotion, don't worry, darling, insert trumpet noise, everything everywhere all at once, the fableman's glass onion, Pinocchio, nope, she said Woman King and Women Talking, because they are shortlisted, these are the only potential nominees. Yeah.

One of the reasons why I wanted to answer Julia's question is, I feel like in the recent years that we've had these shortlists coming out for selected categories, it has... The music branch, I do not understand them, especially the composing side of the music branch, because it's so opposite to the songwriting, like, shortlists usually, or the, that get eligible where it's, like, truly shit you've never heard of before. And the composers are always picking people that are, like, I think they're one of the least adventurous branches at this point. You've written about this before, I believe, right?

Yeah. Huh? You've written about this before, I believe, right? I did do, like, the best tastes. I forget how I ranked them at the time. For now, I'm like, some of these scores, it's like they're truly nominating their favorites, the people that they know, or the names that they're familiar with. Like, some of that is good.

Like, if Terence Blanchard is nominated for the Woman King score, cool, all about, I will say for as much as I really am going to need to dig back into these to like see what I liked best. As I was watching, she said, I really, really made note of how much I loved the Nicholas Brutel score in that movie. I mean, but like, Nicholas Brutel is like one of their club, right? Like I hear you on that and I do think he, Nicholas Brutel's score brings a lot of a little emotional clarity to that movie that I think is lacking. in some ways. Also, Hilda Gwynadder's score for woman talking.

Fantastic. She is a recent winner. I think that there is a lack of adventurousness. And even like... I think that's probably right. One of the ones I would root for is actually Carter Burwell for Banshees of In a Sharon. But Carter Burwell is like famous for getting snubbed by the score branch quite a bit. But also still very famous.

I will also say I'm going to root for nope in this category just because I'm rooting for nope to get in wherever it can, because I think ultimately it's going to get underrewarded no matter what. And I don't like that. Yeah, yeah. I think what's ultimately going to happen is that it's not going to be a very interesting list of five. Keegan asks a fun question with accents over all of the A's in the question. Lydia Tar is famously a member of the Egot Club. What on earth do you think she won her Oscar and her Tony for? Additionally, there are other fictional film characters that you think have an egot. I love the fictional character question part of this. Well, take that part first, because I didn't, I didn't read that far. Oh, the,

what fictional characters do I think have an egot? Yeah. I wondered if Richard from The Hours had it, but he does feel a little too granola to ever be involved in a time. Yeah, what would that Grammy be, honestly? It would be his own audio book. Yeah, probably true. Of the unreadable novel. That's, yes. I'm more curious what his Emmy would be for. Sure, sure, sure.

Well, but the Emmys, again, eight billion, well, I guess the Grammys, too. Eight billion categories are bound to find something that works. Right. Richard, like, the G and Richard's egot stands for Guggenheim. Chris, you know that Baby Annette has an egot. It's just a matter of... Baby Annette was going to be my answer. Baby Annette has an egot.

Egot. Yes. All right. I'm glad we agreed. Okay, good, good, good. What do I think she want, I love the, the joke that has been floated around on, I believe it was Las Calteristas, that all of Lydia Tars, I think this is Josh Sharp's joke, maybe, that all of Lydia Tars, EGOT awards are for acting. That's very funny to me. I mean, a lot of people get their Tony for just, like, producing things. Oh, I don't think that's Lydia, though. My thing for her Tony is, I think it was her first. I think she gets the Tony first, and it's when she's still coming up, and it's an orchestrations, Tony. Oh, an orchestration. That makes total sense.

Like when she was still on the rise. Right, right. For like a revival of Candide or something like that, right? Like something like that. What's her Oscar for, though? I mean, I guess for maybe a score. I was going to say, it's... Who's the director of the score that Lydia Tar?

the movie Lydia Tar made a score for. In my mind she, Hans Zimmer had to drop out of a Christopher Nolan movie and she took over and everybody freaked out. Or like a Terrence Malick movie. Oh, see, well that makes more sense in terms of like... My thing about this is like

they can't all be for composing because it's text of the movie that like she can't really write her own shit. Like she sucks at it. Well, I would see a world and if that were the case... She's not a creator. Well, well, What if all of her egots are co-wins?

Like, she co-wrote a score. You know what I mean? Like, all of them are in tandem with somebody. I think if that were the case, they would have mentioned it in Tar because it only would have added to, like, her psychosis. But maybe that's it. Maybe she has to share credit. Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross and Lydia Tar did the score for a Fincher movie,

and they all won together. Lydia Tar and Marvin Hamlish, Cheratoni Award together. Cher mispronounced her name on that Oscar ceremony. Lydia Tear. Sorry, Lydia. Her Emmy is, of course, for guest starring on Matt about you. And her, what's the other one?

Her Grammy, I mean, Grammy sort of, like, you imagine she won in one of their classical categories, because that's the easiest one to remember. Emmy, I think, is the most interesting. Because, like, Emmy really, like, voiceover artist, perhaps, you know, she's a voice on Big Mouth. For her own HBO special. She's a hormone monster on Big Mouth for its seventh season, and she wins an Emmy for that. Yeah.

Friend of the show, Andy Grimuga asks. Hey, Andy. Hi, Andy. What do you make of the state of the animated race right now? Now, it seems like Netflix is focusing on Pinocchio over Wendell and Wild, but I'm curious about how the Disney plus of it all affects Turning Red and how the flopping of it all affects Strange World as far as the usual dominant studio in the category goes. Yeah, I don't think Disney's winning this year. Disney may not even get nominated for Strange World. Which is too bad because I kind of liked Strange World.

I thought it was cute. I'm going to catch up to it. Turning Red, I loved. And it feels like there's enough support for that movie that the movie. Disney Plus thing will be fine. I think that movie is getting nominated. I don't think it's going to win. No, that's what's a bummer.

And I do think that you've written about this, right? I do think Wendell and Wilde should be walking away with it. Not only because of Henry Selleck's, you know, just career and contribution to the art form, but I think it's the most interesting animation. I know that, like, I love this movie. I feel like a lot of people's hang up with it. they feel like it's too much. There's a lot of going on. I don't disagree.

That's kind of my hang up with it, that it takes it from like an A to a B plus or whatever. And like it's not just the anime, like the animation being too much is fun. It's fine. It's the narrative. It's a lot. It is.

Too many things are happening. Too many things to keep track of. Yeah. It should be walking away with it. Pinocchio, we've been having this conversation. It's like nothing bad to say about Pinocchio. The animation is beautiful. It is an interesting iteration of...

It's so weird. And I'm glad it's... I have almost nothing to say about it. Here's what I will say in terms of its Oscar chances, though. I think the best decision anybody made was to put Guillermo del Toro's name in the title of that movie. Because Oscar voters know Guillermo del Toro. They love him. And that is why this movie is going to win in a walk.

Yep. I think. Yep. There's also a whole cartoon saloon movie that, like, Like, not nearly the best cartoon saloon movie, but it's eligible, and no one's talking about it. No one's talking about it, because it's not one of the best they've ever done. But, like, what's it called? You're not going to consider cartoon saloon in the work that they do.

What is the cartoon saloon? It's my father's dragon. It's on Netflix. Thank you. And, like, it had been delayed a little bit. It's definitely for young children. Okay. But, like, it's, they still do incredible work, and it's not even, you know, being considered.

All right. Let's get into the past and the future of the Oscars. Love this question from Phil. What is your favorite actress roundtable? Hollywood Reporter. I have two very easy answers. No. Well, I haven't watched this year entirely.

I will say I loved the viral clip that went around with Jennifer Lawrence. I thought that way to snatch victory out of the jaws of defeat with that quote, that dumb quote she made about the Hunger Games being the first female-led action. movie, but, like, she got it all back by taking the pot shot at Brian Singer. I thought that was very good. My thing about the whole female-led action movie is, like, if she thought about it, she probably wouldn't have said it. But, like, certainly those studio heads at the time were definitely saying there's never been this. Because they're the most reductive people in the industry. And this is why pushing these whatever talking points towards this direction every time of

something has to be like the first time ex-representative thing ever happened in a movie is in this movie. And it's like, it's such a shallow way of talking about movies and it makes people then put their foot in their mouth in this way. Anyway, THR Roundtable. I think my two answers are obvious, but clearly the right ones, which is 2018, everybody in red, Lady Gaga and Glenn Close, staring at each other over each other's shoulder, Catherine Hahn and Rachel Weiss all. you know making out at the table it's tremendous it's good time the other one we've talked about it here plenty the 2010 round table it's i mean you talk about all killer no filler benning portman kidman swank adams juicy bonham carter it's so good it's so wonderful lots happening in there uh yeah amy adams an underrated presence in that one i know that the joke is always that she's

boring in these things but this one she's not the boring person in that one is natalie portman But even Natalie Portman has that great Milosch-Forman story. Everybody gets a moment. Everybody gets a moment. That's why that one is the answer. My other answer, I would say for mine, is like, I just want an unruly amount of actresses. 2015 was not maybe the most interesting, but it was way too many people. And that's how these things should be.

Because it's like six this year. It's like a real housewives cast. It's like a real housewives cast. You don't want it to be too small because then there's not enough directions to go in. Not a good real housewives cast. It's like... No, but what I mean is the principle of it, which is you don't want a too small real housewives cast

because then you're limited in your, you know, in your directions it can go. If you want, you know, you want a hefty amount. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I also have to say 2016 just for the chaos agent presence of... I was going to say, of course you were going to say, completely undermining every actresses' questions

with being like, yeah, it's not that hard. I love the process I love being an artist But like These questions are stupid She no She answers everything Thoughtfully

But just like the gag of Yeah Her being asked Like you have to film Multiple rape sequences For this film Was that hard? And she's like

No Yeah And they're like Has this work ever affected you personally Has it any character You played change you No

Yeah Like yeah Adore her Adore My favorite actress Yes one of the greatest living from Haley

do you think Nora Ephron came close to winning any of her three screenplay nominations if you could nominate and or award her for any of her screenplays or directing would you this is tough because I love this question because it is

actually very tough it is because I wasn't I was at like 1993 was her last nomination and I was 13 then. So I wasn't really paying attention to the state of the screenplay race at that point. I would imagine that when Harry Met Sally came the closest because it was such a phenomenon that year. It's also the one that of the three of them most clearly should have won. Like Dead Poets Society winning in retrospect is insane that it lost to when Harry Metzley. I know Dead Poet Society

was also a huge fave at the time. So like I get why it won. But when Harry Met Sally is one of the all-time best screenplays of anything ever. It's there, I mean you can imagine that's probably the closest. It's also there with Do the Right Thing and a Woody Allen screenplay for crimes and misdemeanors. Soderberg is there for

sex lies and videotape. You have to imagine the nomination was the prize at the time, considering that movie's... It's a good category, the worst of the five of them won, which is often how it happens. Right, right. But yeah, an all-time...

here's my other big opinion on Nora Ephron, which we are now... We're probably going to have the same opinion. We passed the 10-year mark in terms of she passed away 10 years ago, which seems insane. It would have happened in the last 10 years, but I'm really, really sad that Nora Ephron never got an honorary Oscar before she died. Like, it would have happened in the last 10 years if she had lived. Like, it absolutely would have. she's the absolute perfect choice for who you give an honorary Oscar to whose contributions are so huge and who because of the vagaries of things like genre was not always in a position to get the actual

competitive awards that she could have and she would have given a dynamite speech is the other thing and whoever they would have gotten to present it to her would have given a dynamite speech and I would be watching it every year. You know, I would watch it constantly. I already, my YouTube is full of just Nora Ephron searches for like any number, anything she's ever said that's on a YouTube video I will find. I recently watched Everything's Copy, had a good cry. Everything's copy will make me weep.

Just absolutely. I'm in the final stages of finishing the Mike Nichols book, which I have been chipping away at all year, incredibly slowly with intention You don't want it to end For that I don't want to like immediately starting into that book I was like I don't want this to end

Yeah I just want to spend like basically a year with Mike And then I'm going to rewatch all the movies Which brings me to She should have won for Silkwood And I actually think was probably closest To winning for Silkwood Probably although Tender Mercy's also won the WGA that year

So like Tender Mercies did seem like it was solid I mean, Tender Mercies was made independently. And Horton Foote was very popular, I feel like, too, around that time. Right, that's like the era of him as a filmmaker. Fannie and Alexander, which, like, is, to me, surprising, considering how well it did with the Oscars that, like, it isn't the Ingrid Bergman movie, or not the Ingraham-Bergman movie

that made it to Best Picture and cries and whispers, which is out there. And I love it, but, like, Fannie and Alexander, it makes sense that it did so well with the Oscars, but it wasn't a best picture nominee. I don't necessarily think they were going to give it screenplay, though. Yeah. War Games is such an outlier. It is. Big Chills, the best picture nominee.

I hate that movie. Yeah. And Silkwood's incredible. I mean, Silkwood had a lot. It had a lot of controversy around it that happened at the time. Because of the real life story? Yes. And because of, you know, people thought of it as a propaganda movie, you know, a lot of people on the right attack.

Against nuclear power? Like, okay. Well, and, you know, it all comes. No, I get it. But it's like manipulation of facts and you're making this into a propaganda thing, blah, blah, blah. It's probably why it wasn't the best picture nominee. What a terrible documentary Silkwood was. Exactly.

Well, and it was, you know, wrapped up in a lot of, like, not legal trouble, but they had to make the movie in some of the way that it did. And, like, especially that ending, there was a lot of tinkering because it was like, how much can you actually say how much trouble will we get in if we say the suggestive thing? But she was murdered. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Yeah, yeah.

Right. I would, I think that should be her Oscar and her closest. There you. A million Oscars for Silkwood. Honestly, a million Oscars for Nora. Excuse me. A million Oscars for Nora is what I say. Yeah. Alex asked us, are there any widely dislike Oscar wins that you guys are by contrast fans of? I'm going to say the unpopular thing. I like Birdman a lot. You do like Birdman a lot. I wouldn't say it's why. I mean,

mean, like, I feel like it's more of a forgotten best. I mean, people moved on, and partly they hate the revenant more than they hate Birdman. Sure, but I also feel like any time you bring up Birdman around people, people will be like, ugh, you know what I mean? Like, that's sort of like the instant reaction. So like, I get that. I think one that more people have come around on lately, but I remember at the time, people were very negative on Helen Hunt winning best actress for as good as it gets, like the sort of snob, the snob crowd sort of. of look down their nose at that win. I think she's tremendous in that movie.

I will say, and this is like, this is real, like, disliked. And, like, this is me actually going out on a limb. But, like, unfortunately, I really like both of Kevin Spacey's Oscar-winning performances. I think he's great in both of those movies. And probably would not change either one of those, even though he is a horrible creep. Also, I would have voted for Lurie Metcalfe and Lady Bird, but I don't dislike Alice and Janie and Iitania. I think she is tremendously entertaining in that movie.

Shane asked this next question and asked it right because he also gave a contextual joke location in addition to his name. Shane, from the balcony of the Casa Rosada, asks, my annual rewatch of Evita has inspired me to ask this question, how close was Madonna to really cracking best actress in 1996, feasibly sixth place, but were the globes always going to give it to her? And would she have needed more strong precursor nods to make a real case? So I want to break this down, Chris, because I find this very interesting.

I would like the question in before us is who was sixth place in 1996 best actress because if you look at it and how close was Madonna and how close was Madonna but I think it ultimately comes down to who was sixth place like that's my question and it's an interesting year because all there's famously the SNL bid where three of the people snubbed are part of it including Madonna right Madonna Courtney loved Debbie Reynolds where that sketch but there's such a concentration of power at the top this year, where the Globes and Basta and SAG all really agreed on Francis McDorman, Frances McDonoughan, who won, Brenda Blethen in Secrets and Lies, Kristen Scott Thomas in the English patient, and Emily Watson in Breaking the Waves. I think Emily Watson's the only one of those who didn't get nominated for BAFTA, or for SAG? No, that's the four for BAFTA. Right, that's the four for BAFTA, and then SAG snubbed Emily Watson in favor of General Roland's classic sag

Early days of sag I don't think the indie spirits really factor in too heavily this year. So you're also Rands, the Globes nominated Merrill Streep for Marvin's Room, who gets replaced by Diane Keaton

in the Oscar list. Courtney Love for People versus Larry Flint, Madonna for Evita, Debbie Reynolds for Mother, Barbara Streisand for The Mirror has two faces. And then like I said, Jenna Rollins for Unhook the Stars, right? Yes.

In SAG. Of those six women, one of them was sixth place. I don't think it's Merrill. I think if Merrill... It's the boring answer, but I think it's Merrill. Here's what I will say, though. I think if Merrill were close enough to be sixth, she would have pulled too many votes from Diane Keaton,

and Keaton wouldn't have been nominated. I don't know if that's the case. I don't know. Okay. I think because Madonna I think of the three S&L snubbies I think it's very possible Madonna was the furthest behind of those three I disagree I think Debbie Reynolds of the three of those was I think Debbie Reynolds was a classic Golden Globes comedy nominee that was never going to get an Oscar nomination I think she won some critics prizes I thought though let me

look this back up because I thought that she had done well and had won like an L.A. or a New York, but maybe I'm remembering wrong. I would venture to say The film won National Society in New York for the screenplay. Okay. And

Oscar has never really responded to Albert Brooks movies. His own movies. And it didn't get any other Oscar nominations, right? To get a score? No, it did not. It didn't. I feel like and again, this is vibes only, but like I remember

the conversation at the time, I just remember the vibe at the time, I think Madonna and Courtney were close. Canceled each other out? Maybe, but I also feel like they were both close. I think one of them was six. That is my guess, is that one of them was six. I'd be willing to bet that Courtney Love

was higher probably because... First of all, I love that it's Courtney Love and Madonna. Which, was it the year after their altercation at the VMAs? Their VMA's Hold on, I got to look this up. It's either, I think that was 95, Madonna.

I've written about this. I think this is after. The VMAs is after, because I think that's like beautiful stranger era, Madonna. No, it was 1995. 1995 because it was the year that Alanis performed, you ought to know, when that album was really breaking. Because the first thing that Courtney says to Madonna is congratulations about Alanis, because Alanis was a Maverick Records artist. And that was like the first thing She's sort of like she's poking at Madonna the whole time

It's we've We at some point Just should consider that a film and do that It's my favorite thing to break down Everything that Courtney does just bothers Madonna so much It's the most rattled I've ever seen Madonna in her entire career It's so amazing So that happened in 95 and this Oscar race is 96

So like it would have been kind of tremendous if they could have found a way to nominate the both of them. That was never going to happen. But would have been amazing. Do we think we're under- I at least don't think Madonna was six, at the very least. I think there's a better chance than maybe you think.

Do we think we're underrating Jenna Rollins because SAG is the best Oscar predictor? Like, should we be rating her more because SAG means more than a Golden Globe precursor? Early SAG, though, is not a great Oscar predicted, though. A lot of their outliers are not predictive. SAG now is a different story than the early years of SAG. Yeah.

Didn't that also get a supporting actress nomination that year? For Tomei? Yes, right? Hold on. I really wish IMDB would clump the movie nominees. in a different place than the TV nominees. You're cluttering up my feed here. Let's see.

Yes, Marissa Tomei Unhook the Stars. Also nominated Gwen Verdon for Marvin's Room. I always forget about that one. See, this is why I think it was Merrill. I think Marvin's Room, despite only being nominated for Diane Keaton. Wait. You can't go, oh, Marvin's Room got support at the Sags. In the same sentence, we're saying we don't think Unhook the Stars was a factor because it was early sad.

Well, that's not. I'm saying broadly, I think Marvin's Room was a movie everyone saw and had enough respect. I think more people saw the people versus Larry Flint than saw Marvin's room. I think more people were paying attention to Evita than saw Marvin's room. Right. I don't know. I mean, I probably think Courtney Love gets nominated if she's not Courtney Love. Yes, I think that's true.

Here's what I will say. The only solution to this, Academy Museum, invite Chris and I over to do a live podcast from the Academy Museum, and then afterwards, just let us off Mike go into the vault and look at the tallies. And then, like, we'll say nothing, but we'll both know. That's the solution to this. And then we will recreate the Madonna, Courtney Love, altercation. Yes.

Okay, who's cast is Madonna? I'm much better at annoying you, so I'm probably Courtney Love. All right, I'll be Madonna. I will be stately and bother. Art and be Madonna. Who is the Kurt Loader in this situation? Who do we cast as Kurt Loader? Katie Rich.

Yes. All right, Katie, come on. Come on and be Katie Rich. Can I ask you a question before we move on to the next question? Yeah. Who do you vote for in that lineup? 96? Yeah.

Francis. I vote for Brenda Bluffin. Yeah? Oh, I'm a Francis. Like, it's a great category. I mean, like, that is a real, tough decision. But, uh... Brenda Bluffin's great in Secrets and Lives.

But I think, like, Fargo is, one of my all-time favorite movies. And Francis and Fargo is one of my all-time favorite performances. So, like, my hands are tied. You know what I mean? Not much I could do. Sorry, Brenda. Let's try to blaze through a few more questions before we call it. Tad asks, what multiple Oscar-nominated actor or actress do you think is destined to just never actually win one? They gave the examples of Peter O'Toole and Richard Burton, who both had eight, I believe, and never won? seven or eight um and then um also deboricaa car was six right or seven i thought she was six maybe six okay um because she was always was she the one who was always tied with tied up with when

people would talk about julian more staffs maybe and then julian more won yeah uh i pulled at least the living actors that have four or more nominees read this list it's an interesting list yeah uh at the highest, the living actor with the most nominations, and never won is eight nominations for Glenn Close. Six is Amy Adams. And then when we get into the people who are four and living, it's Jane Alexander, Warren Beatty, Annette Benning, Bradley Cooper, Willem DeFoe, Ed Harris, Marsha Mason, Sertia Ronan, and Michelle Williams.

Sad for Jane, sad for Marsha Mason. It's not happening there. Sorry, ladies. Okay, so Peter O'Toole got to eight with that Venus. nomination. Richard Burton had seven. Of this list, okay, it's so tough to say. Obviously, we feel like Amy Adams, Michelle Williams... People who can get more, but not win. I think of this list, the best chances are Amy Adams, Michelle Williams, Willem DeFoe,

Sertia Ronan, Bradley Cooper, in that order, maybe. I think in that... I think Glenn Close is absolutely going to win before she dies. How many more bites at the apple, though, was she going to get? I think she just needs a bite at the apple, frankly. I mean, that's what the last two kind of were, were, though, which is just like something, literally give her anything. And we've tried that now, twice. I don't know if that's less than it.

I mean, the deterrence for both of those were the movies. I mean, like, yes, it needs to be. The wife was not, like, despised, though. Most people didn't love it, but it's not like people have. Nobody liked it, though. Not to a degree that I, I don't know, I don't know, we can, we can debate this. I think the answer of someone who could definitely be nominated at least one more time and not win is Annette Benning, unfortunately. That would crush me.

Anette Benning, that's another one, like, at this point, like, give her, give her an honorary then, because for God's sake, something. I think Willem Defoe is winning the next time he gets nominated, unless it's for something really weird. I'm not sure, because his nominations are so oddball to begin with. I mean, if he wasn't going to win for the Florida Project, I don't think he's going to win. He would probably be my second answer. Okay. God, that'd be a bummer. I think Ed Harris is never going to win an Oscar, and that's going to be sad.

The reason I wouldn't pick Ed Harris for this is I don't think he's getting nominated again. I think I can see him getting nominated one more time. not winning. I can. I mean, I see it, but he's not being in a lot of noteworthy movies, though. How many more before Sershah wins? I mean, maybe the next one. But she's, my thing with Sershia is, she's so young that she could get nominated again, and I could easily see voters being like, she'll get one. I think Sersh is going to be Kate wins with it, frankly. She's going to probably win for one that we're not going to feel great about. Probably. Whatever.

Next question from John. Again, like the previous question, giving us, you know, location with it. John says he's from the part of England that inspired one of Anne Hathaway's worst accents. Love that. He says the beloved S&L Five Timers Club is surprisingly light on Oscar winners. Of the list, who do you think will be the next to receive their first nomination or win? I mean, I hope it's Melissa McCarthy because she deserves from her performance. for nominations. I hope it's John Goodman. Well, I do too. I think I'm at

with John Goodman, where you are with at Harris, where I feel like it's just, we've maybe passed that point. I do think Steve Martin is kind of always a possibility. I agree. Also, do you feel like there is a world in which, in maybe 10 years, Drew Barrymore gets a comeback role in a movie that is so well received that she gets an Oscar. I would love it so much. It's all I want. It's all I want is for Drew Barrymore to have an Oscar. Make it happen.

Next person to win is probably not necessarily a fun or interesting one. I mean, now that Scarlett Johansson has gotten nominated, I feel like it could be that. I want to say it's Melissa McCarthy, but, like, if she can't win for, you know, the variety of the two performances that she's given, I wonder. Lord knows it should have been Candace Bergen a few years ago for Let Them All Talk, but you don't want to... We're not ready to have that conversation. We're not ready to have that conversation. Paul asks, in your opinion, both of you, what's the worst best picture lineup at the 90s?

Oh, I dug into this one. This is a chaos question because Paul wants to end our friendship. Why? What are you going to say? I'm going to say 1992. Wow, not even in my top three. Oh, it's because you don't like a few good men. It's not that I dislike a few good men.

It's that, I mean, I can't, when you look at that lineup, I can't argue with it being there because it's maybe my second choice, my second place. But at the same time, Centival Woman, not a good movie. Martin Bres got a best director nomination for that movie, which is in... I have a bit of a soft spot for Sentable Woman, I have to say. It's funny and broad, and, like, I understand people having a soft spot for it. It's very entertaining.

It's very entertaining. Unforgiven is a best picture win. I do not like. I am sorry. I don't like it. The crying game, I get it, especially as, like, a psych case thing. Yeah. It just maybe never quite connects for me.

Yeah, I really like the 902. I fully understand why people like it. I would say the same thing for a few good men. I just don't think it should be a best picture nominee. Yeah. And Howard's End is, like, one of the best movies of the 90s. Yeah, Howard Dunn's fantastic. Yeah, I love that whole lineup, maybe.

I don't love, maybe love every movie in it, but, like, that's a strong lineup to me. My choice is. Oh, sorry, go ahead. My other one is probably 1990, which is, you know, same thing for me, where there's, like, the obvious winner. And my second place is, like, I guess this is my second place. As much as I love Ghost and have a good time with Ghost, I don't think it's a good movie. Um, Dances with Wolves can't stand it. I mean, Awakening's not like I want to take anything away from Penny Marshall, but...

That's the thing. It's so sappy and, you know... The 90 lineup is, like, Goodfellas is obviously the consensus choice now for, like, what's the best of them. I don't hate Dances with Wolves the way a lot of people hate dances with wolves, but I can accept the fact that, like, it's not one of the greats. I think the Godfather part two, similarly, sometimes gets a little bit... too much hate, but you watch it again, and you're like, this is a step down. I don't

even think I would say Ghost is not a good movie. It's just, it's a puzzler as a Best Picture nominee. I am fine with Ghost. It means so much fucking money. Well, that's the thing. But I'm fine with Ghost as just being the crowd pleaser that it is, and Whoopie still wins. Like, that's fine. But like, as a Best Picture nominee, it's odd.

And I will not take anything away from Penny Marshall. I don't remember much about Awakening's. It's been a very long times. I was probably too young to see and appreciate awakenings. But like, yeah. My choice, 1990

was on my list, as was 95 because I really don't care for Braveheart. Il Postino to me is like a Harvey Weinstein accomplishment and I don't want to recognize that. But like, sense and sensibility is great. Babe is great. Apollo 13 is great.

So it's like you're, you know, the best and the worst, right? I think my choice, strangely enough for being such a Ballyhood year is 99. Just because... Yeah, 99.

If you're looking at the criteria of what could have been versus, like, strictly what is the lineup? That's the thing. That's a good answer. The other thing is, like, American beauty I have complicated feelings about. Sider House rules, I don't hate

as much as other people do. Green Mile is kind of a nothing to me. But, like, the insider's my favorite Michael man, and the sixth sense is probably my favorite, I'm Night Chamelon. So, like, even that lineup has two, you know, legit bangers. So it's a tricky question. 90s are a weird Oscar decade. All right. Leo asked, what's the most random acting Oscar nomination across any decade? A ton to pick, but mine is Robert Loja for Jagged Edge.

Leo, I'm sorry, I'm going to steal your answer. I don't understand that nomination. I've never seen that movie. Is it bad? The thing is, I understand. understand Robert Loja being nominated as like kind of a career achievement. I don't think he's doing anything interesting. I mean, like, he, he's like playing very much kind of like a supporting actor nomination type of role, right? But even so, it's not like he's wisecracking. It's like, imagine that type of quintessential supporting actor nomination with like half the screen time in a movie that was not critically well received. It was a box office hit and kind of like a, you know, controversial talking point, which like Karina Longworth did on her show. Right.

But like, I don't understand that that being a thing that gets nominated for that actor in that role. Yeah. Out of nowhere. The 80s were an interesting decade though for like kind of out of nowhere because like there's also, and again, these are all movies they haven't seen yet, so I'm like curious to go check them out. Like Amy Madigan and Twice in the Lifetime I always think of is like nobody ever talks about twice in a lifetime. Is that a good movie? I don't know.

I would like to go and check it out. I do love Amy Madigan. I'm glad that she has an Oscar nomination somewhere. The 80s are also like the last firmly studio. It's why we don't do many 80s movies on this podcast because the Oscars were still so studio-based. So you do get some of those nominations, especially for like stars. I'm thinking of like, I don't know if the. was like 1980 or maybe the late 70s, but like Jane Fonda in the morning after, which is like only nominated for an Oscar.

Jane Fonda in the morning after, I think, is late 80s. I think it's like 89 or 88 or something like that. I forget when it is. Like it's, it's not to say she's bad in it, but it is very funny. Well, or like, Alfrey Woodard's only Oscar nomination is for Cross Creek, which like I've seen Cross Creek. It's not bad, but like it's odd that like that's her only Oscar nomination. Should have been nominated for Passion Fish, should have been nominated for Crooklyn, should have been nominated for clemency. Yeah, I agree. I kept sort of drifting into nominations that I just thought were bad.

And like, I don't think that's what this question is. I kept being like, oh, it's Stanley Tucci and the Lovely Bones. And it's like, that's not really the most random. It's just the worst one. I kept thinking like Nick Noltean Warrior. It's like, no. Patricia Clarkson in Pieces of April. And it's just like, no, you just want her to be nominated for the station agent.

Like, that's not the answer. And those are nominations that, like, carried through the season. The Robert Moshe won. If I'm remembering correctly, is it nominated elsewhere? Okay. So, that's the other. I mean, she's Jane Fonda, so it's not random. One I've always been a little bit puzzled by.

And again, is an actress I love, and a performance I think is good. But, like, Diane Weist for Parenthood, how did that happen? Like, that's a mainstream comedy that was, like, well liked, but it wasn't really a phenomenon. It's a genre that the Oscars don't. usually go for. They love her, obviously. But like, it's an odd one. The other one, I'm just loving her that much. The other one is me going to be a bitch. But like, in 10 years, are we really going to look back at Maria Bacalova and Borat's subsequent movie film and be like one of the greats? Like, I agree. I don't think so. I think that that is, no, I mean, I agree with you.

I was never like this is an afterworthy performance. That is the most pandemic nomination of all the pandemic nominations. Like, we were stuck in our houses and we didn't know what to do with ourselves and everybody decided that Maria Boclova was a great performance. It really reflects where we were politically at that very particular moment because I think she got a lot of credit for taking down Rudy Giuliani. For not having, you know, the acting credits before and going toe to toe to with Rudy Giuliani. Yeah. It's a weird nomination. It's kind of a stunt that people were responding to because of our political frustrations at the time, I feel like. All right. We got a, we got a blast through because we are over time. Let's ask one more question. Okay. Uh, which is kind of a simple

question. Okay. Chauncey asks, simple question, but interesting. Uh, what is the, who is more likely to win their third Oscar? Tom Hanks or Denzel? Also ask, would it be for acting? I think it would be for acting. Um, I think it's Denzel. Yeah. I think it is. Tom Hanks, it took so long between, uh, saving private Ryan, no, castaway. Yeah. And, uh, uh, a beautiful day in the neighborhood. I think he's doing one of his best performances ever in a beautiful day in the neighborhood, and it was always third fiddle in that race. They've snubbed Tom Hanks for great acting repeatedly in a way that they haven't done that for Denzel. And Tom Hanks's multiple Oscars have worked against him in a way that it hasn't for Denzel. And I also think

Denzel is still doing some of his best work now. And even though A Beautiful Day in the neighborhood, I think it's some of Tom Hanks' best work. I don't think generally he's doing his best work of his career now. Well, but even when he does, though, like, you'll throw a Captain Phillips in there, which I think is some of the best work in his career, he gets snubbed for it. Yeah. Yeah. I won't ever get over that. All right. I think that's our mailback episode. Thank you. Thank you so much for this. We're giving you an uber-sized episode, hopefully, and you're enjoying it whether, you know, enjoying leftovers at home, avoiding cold weather,

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