This Is Important - Ep 280: A Hate Hurricane Of Movie Spoilers

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Welcome to This Is Important, a production of IHeart Radio, the show where we talk about what's obviously most critically, crucially important. Today on This Is Important. Why are you so convinced that Shia Leuff throws the dick down so hard? It sucks that you guys aren't Eugene Levy. Guys, what the fuck is happening? Let's go! Oh, yeah.

Oh, my God. Blake, go through it, go through it, Blake. Another one. Another one. Go. Smoke weed every day. Please don't stop the music. Water trash.

I was intoxicated. Okay, and we're done. He said we're done. No, we're done. That's it. We're done. That's it. What is up, guys?

This podcast may or may not be on Netflix. Hit us with that dumb, don't know. I do not have that prepared. Whoa. No. I do not have a Netflix dead on. I will get it as soon as we're live. Because we signed a deal with Netflix to be on Netflix.

We did. We don't know when officially we're starting that deal. So we don't know. But we are going to be on Netflix. We're pretty excited about it. I'm going to do a whole revamp. A studio judge. I'm very excited.

I'm very excited. It's crazy to me, and we've talked about this before, that you have our poster. That's what we do. Yeah. On the ground directly behind you, where you can see it. And then when I brought that up to you, you said, well, I don't want behind me to be all about me. And I'm like, we still see the poster. It's just not hanging.

Notice me, Senpai. Notice me. I think I told you that I don't hang things up around the house of me. Oh, okay. Why not? But I also I just don't want to, I'm not going to hang that up. That's not what I'm going to hang up. It's going to stay on the floor. Hanging on. I mean, it's literally,

you can't even see. It's still wrapped in. I don't think I have that. I don't think Isaac sent that to me, which is pretty cool. I'll send it. You can have it. I have it. I have it. I have it up in my garage. It looks great. Dude, if you get a navigator and come over,

throw it right in the back. I might. And that is the game over poster. If you're still listening via audio and not possibly Netflix, if and when that deal finally closes. Cannot wait. Cannot wait.

Can't wait. Can't wait. I think Papa Netflix is my favorite corporate overlord. Okay. Would you say, what's your favorite corporate overlord? Well, I'm trying to coin the evil empire. I'm trying to coin that, the evil empire.

Okay. And how does that, how do you do that? How does one do that? And they're evil to you because they give you bigger paychecks than you've ever gotten in your life. And they're how you pay for your family, feed your family and afford your mortgage. Well, because it doesn't sound cool to say, like, the awesome empire. It's got to be the evil empire. It's the cool rage against machine album.

Yeah. Like, come on. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. I mean evil in a nice way. Yeah. Like, Dr. Evil.

And it's cool. It's cool. Like, we're, we're like teaming up with Darth Vader sort of. That's cool to me. I like being the bad guy. Oh, that's right. You got a bad boy streak. We're the bad guys.

Right? Don't you guys like to be the bad guy? I guess so. I can only think of one other evil overlord, Adam, and that's Zazlov. Yeah. Zazlov is a good sounding name for a, evil overlord. Yeah, I think that's just the fun one to say. Zazlob seems kind of like evil. And throwing up the Z is kind of sick.

All hail, Zazlap. Yeah. Remember when we did that, we did like an all hand, they called it all hands. And I still don't quite know what that means. But it was a for Viacom, where they have a bunch of their people on their hit shows come and do, perform basically, for all the head marketing people that then spend... It was like an upfront. Yeah, but they called it all hands. Yes. And so for whatever reason, Anders couldn't go.

So Blake and I just went by ourselves. And our bit was that we just came out doing this and we just go, all hail, Viacom. All hail, Viacom. And then got the crowd of 500 or so, like, ad executives to all put up their Vs like this and chant all hail Viacom. Yeah. It was very fun. Yeah. And it crushed. It crushed.

Turns out. That worked. You know what? Did we even talk about some of the saddest news to hit the airwaves? MTV ending. MTV is gone. I knew it. I knew you're going to say it. Dude. Speaking of Viacom. And Blake just got into it a couple of years ago. Oh, dude. You're like a channel that's fully dedicated to Rob Deirdricks.

Ridiculousness. Yeah, absolutely. Man, does it get any better? Dude, that is crazy. It's sad to me that somebody there, and I think we've covered this, but like some programmer there was like, I crunched the numbers. And if we just play ridiculousness all day and catfish all night, we do better than any other possible combination of TV shows. Perfect. And then they did it.

Yeah. They didn't go, we know, we know that does the best, but we can't just do that. We're MTV. We got to at least do something that resembles a specific voice. And that's, and that is why Viacom, and I don't know, maybe they're under new ownership, maybe it'll change, but they were the worst, the worst. Soulless. Souless.

It is a giant bag fumble. Like, do you remember how like MTV controlled culture? It literally was in the entire. culture was through MTV. And it was mostly Jha Rule and Ashanti based. In Cisco, a little Cisco. Thong Song was

off the chain. The spring break, like the spring break beauty and the beach shit raised me. I used to record that on a VCR just to watch it back. The grind on the beach was

wild. Hey Blake, how many times did you just jerk off to Beauty in the Beach 10 minute 10 spring break MTV an insane amount of times

I bet like Blake I might have to throw that on tonight I bet Blake has masturbated more to things that weren't pornography than any other friend that I have I think you nailed that one I think you are right

I definitely I like my imagination to do a little bit of the walking, you know what I mean? Do you like a story in your porno? Yeah. Do you, really? Yeah.

I used to, I enjoyed when porno had a storyline. I wish that would come back. I think we really... They still do, but the storylines are fucking stupid and you click through it. It's always just like... Where? Stepbrother, get out of your stepbrother.

That's not a story. step sister, I have to, mom says I have to be in here. Meanwhile, they're both a story. 36. And you're like, what are we doing? Right. And then the step mom shows up and somehow she's younger. Yeah, she's 27.

That's not a story. Like getting stuck in like the washer or dryer or whatever, that's not a story. Those are good. Tail as old as time. Maybe you can count the real estate ones. Those are kind of a story. I'll count that as a story where they're like, oh, like, I love this house. but how am I going to pay for it?

It used to be epic tales. It used to be like they were shipwrecked. Respirage. Right. Yeah, I remember this one called Ravenous. Oh, man. It had this dude name, I think his name is Randy Spears. He's one of my favorite porno actors.

Yeah, listen. This dude was killer, dude. So Isaac just wrote a very cryptic, doesn't make much sense, chat. Here in the chat, he goes, that's main MTV is not gone. It's just the MTV music channels, MTV, MTV, 80s, etc. Punk rock, getting radical. That doesn't make any sense.

What is that? That's main MTV is not gone. Well, when you put it like that. That's main MTV. That's main MTV is not gone. And by the way, you are so dumb. Sorry, the main MTV channel is not dark. Then what is everyone talking about?

I don't feel like there'd be like an international RIP. For MTV 80s or MTV like classic or whatever the fuck they call it. Yeah, right. It's just the channels that play music videos. That's MTV, isn't it? Okay. Are you saying ridiculousness lives on? So wait, so the AI video that I posted wasn't exactly truthful?

Cheers! Yeah. Exactly, Adam. Okay. Wait, no, what? What? No, this makes no sense. No, MTV is gone.

So did everyone take, everyone is following the wrong story then, Isaac? Everyone just heard and ran with it. Allegedly! No, MTV is gone. It's gone. Then turn it on right now, Isaac. If it's still there, turn it on right now. Right now.

She gone. Okay. Well, maybe Isaac's right. He does know some stuff. That AI thing you posted, it was dope, though, because I totally forgot about celebrity death match. That show used to kick ass, dude. Oh, yeah.

They went down like, I was trying to find it, but I posted it more than 24 hours ago. So it's no longer in my story. But you saw Kurt Loder. You saw Carson Daly, you know, Celebrity Death Match. It was the jackass guys. Yeah. It kind of went down the little laundry list of classic MTV stuff.

And you're like, man, there were some, these guys were juggernauts. Yeah. These guys were major, major stars. Ended with Simon Rex? Yep. I don't think Simon made it. Then maybe I saw another one that ended on him.

It had unplugged. Remember, unplugged was off the fucking hook. And Nirvana unplugged album is great. This is important. This is important. Thank you. Yes. Favorite MTV unplugged.

Ooh. You guys can't say Atlanta, that's mine. No, but go ahead. Go off, King. I, you know what? I really like Jay Z's. Jay Z's unplugged album is fucking dope, dude. With the roots were his backup band?

Yes. I believe they are. Yeah. really good. It's very good. Erica Badu comes out on it. Someone comes out on it. Are you at Lauren Hill? Did Lauren Hill have one or did she come out on his Mary J. Blythe, says Todd? It's Mary J. Bligeige. I mean, this is so basic, but I think I just have to say Nirvana. And I know that that's the one that everybody

thinks of. But I'm a basic bitch. And I do admit that. Adam, that's kind of right where you're at. No, that's a good. That is great. That one is great, and that album is perfect. It was so good. And that song that they sang by the Meat Puppets, where they go, Where the bad rose going they die. They don't go to heaven where the angels fly. Perfect.

Go to a place of fire. Yeah, Adam, what about? He does the whole song. That one. What's going on? And then he finishes and goes, I like that one. That's probably the one song I didn't like. I love that song.

I still love that song. Why do you love that song so much? Dude, it just tickled me. Give me a little tickle to my pickle. I don't like Polly Wants a Cracker. Oh, that one's sick. Polly wants a Cracker. That one's dark, dude.

That one's dark. When you're 12, it's cool because it's like, you don't get off or whatever. You're like, oh. That one's dark. And they were the first ones to do covers that kind of set that trend, or am I crazy? Am I off my rocker?

Oh, because they did David Bowie cover. Well, they did like four covers, I think. Well, and also, Meat Puppets, that song, that's not Thursday, Bam. They did a bunch of covers. Yeah, I don't count the Meat Puppets one, really. And that's always been your thing. I'm always talking meat puppets. No matter what, he never counts to Meat Puppets.

Yeah, no. Maybe I say Meat Puppets are top five favorite bands of all the time. What? Whoa, big swing. I like that. Them and Butthole Surfer for Adam. It's a real, if you know, you know. The presidency, United States of America.

Yeah. Okay, I like that. Specifically Trump. Dude, Venezuela. Have you guys ever had a moment like this? And this is regarding this. Okay. When I was an assistant in Bones, I was pretty, not like super tight with a writer,

but like we would hang out and like throw the football like outside the office and like kick it when we were bored or whatever. And we were talking about the man who sold the world, that song, the Bowie song. Great. I was like, yeah. Like, I mean, it's such a good song. Even Bowie covered it. I don't know that song. I don't know that song.

It's the famous one from that album. Oh, that's the man who sold the world. So that's a Bowie song. Oh, that's not their song? No, that's a Bowie song. And he was like, such a good song. Even Bowie covered it from them. And I was like, you stupid assort.

And he goes, no, they had it first. And I was like, you're telling me that the man who sold the world was a Nirvana song and not a Bowie song first. And he's like, yeah. Why would he dig his heels in it? I don't know. And I was like, but you're wrong. You are so dumb. It's a Bowie album.

He looked it up and then he was like, all right, and we never threw the football again. We never threw the football again. After that, it was just a little awkward, like the power dynamic because I was like the assistant and like whatever. Wow. He'd be like, hey, let's go through the football around. I'm like, you're a writer. And I liked a guy, nice guy. Yeah.

But like. Why didn't you just let him have that? Now you threw the. No, no, no. Durs doesn't let people have things. No, he's not going to have a thing. If there's one thing I know about Ders, he ain't going to let you have. Shit.

No, you're not happening. He's going to let you know. And by the way, he wasn't really catching the football at all. What? No, it's like, you know, now I'm just darn shade. But I do remember being like, well, fuck. See you around. There it goes.

And that's how Hollywood works. That's how Hollywood works. But that, no, great album. David Bowie, that album. that album came out in 1970. That's a long time ago, Bam. I love that album.

What are you siding with the writer now? I love that album. Adam's like, give him some grace. Give him some grace. Well, you know what? I started to, for the first time, I think we talked about on the podcast,

I have not seen Spinal Tap. I've never seen it. Oh. It's time to tap up. Dude, that's a great. That has great music in it as well. Stonehenge. That one's so good, dude.

And I wrote a movie this past, year, or we wrote a treatment to a movie that we hope to write, with Jerry Zucker of the Zucker brothers. Okay. And he's so funny. And he's older guy, he's 75 years old now. And I'm like, he's so fucking funny.

And I'm like, I think I have to give some flowers, not to him. But to... Careful. It's hard to, you know, Jerry, if you listen, don't... I'm not not giving you flowers. And you know that he is. But if I give flowers, people pass away. So I'm not giving you flowers.

Right. But I'm like, I think I have to go back and watch some of these older comedies that I had never seen before. Have you seen airplane? I have. Yes. Airplane's Alzheimer's. Yeah. Have you seen Kentucky Pride movie?

Dude. Yes. I watched it only after. Amazon Women on the Moon? No. No. Never saw it. How deep into spinal tap are you?

I'm only, I'm watching it while at the gym. So I watch it while I'm on the bike. So I'm like 40. I rode the bike for like 45 minutes. Only way to do it. That's how they intended to be. watched. Well, dude, I like watching it because there's no

I actually get deeper into movies that way. Oh, you zone in. Because there's no I'm not looking at my phone because it's playing on my phone. Wow. So literally, and I'm locked in to it. And when it's like the sweat drips and it just starts fast forwarding like that's all part of the experience.

It's really good. But it's so fucking funny dude and it's so well done. It's hilarious. Smell the glove. Their album smell the glove. That is so good. That is so good. When they get lost, when they get lost trying to get to the stage. Yeah.

Right. Have you, have, has the egg happened where he's like, has that happened yet? Where he's trapped? No. Oh, man. That's happened. It's so good. The 18-inch stonehenge has happened.

Yeah. Which is very, very funny movie. It might be one of the funniest movies of all time. Yeah. And I don't know why I never, it's not that I didn't give it love. Everyone said that it was great and very funny. and I just hadn't seen it. I was like, I don't know if I want to watch this old movie.

To your credit, to your point earlier, it is old. It's from 1980 or 81 or some shit, right? Is it? Yeah, I thought it was like that. It's way old, and it wasn't a normal movie. Uh-uh. Like, it was a mockumentary, and so, like, you really got a re-like, now mockumentaries are, we all know it, right?

Yeah, but back then, as a kid especially, you kind of had to, like, reframe the whole, like, concept of like, okay, got it, they're making fun of this band. It's not just like a straightforward silly movie. What was the first mockumentary? Was it spinal tap? It's some Italian movie. It's some Italian movie. I think there's some movie where they say the original mockumentary was like Sart. Well, it's, it's fucking awesome. And it made me go and have a deeper appreciation for older comedians and how fucking trailblazing and funny they were. And I, I watched the John Candy documentary. I got to watch that.

All of those guys were just so damn good. And they all came up together. And it made me, you know, just be... Your friends aren't as funny. Yeah, I'm like, it sucks that you guys aren't Eugene Leffey. Yeah. He said, babe. Well, Adam, to your point, to your point, and by the way, I think it was...

The One I'm looking... The One I was thinking of was Fellini's The Clowns. Someone talks about that movie. Okay. Lame. New year, new goals, and in this economy, a better money plan is more necessary than ever. I am Matt. And I'm Joel.

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but now after working in the business and being like, oh, you guys were all super talents. Not only were you funny, you played instruments. Oh, yeah. And like wrote this and like this was all improvised. Like, even the people who were like the eighth banana in a movie, like, like a Martin Moll, if you go back and watch early Martin Ball, which bro is that? This dude's out of control funny.

He's not even in, uh, in, this is spinal tap. But then like, the dude who shows up is like the captain with like the captain's hat, who's in like every Christopher guest movie. But he just pops in and like lights it up and then pieces out. Yeah. Super funny. I mean, just like a, I mean, there's so many funny people in that movie, too. And it was cool.

It's what they used to do with comedy. And they still would if they made comedy movies, but they've stopped making them. And I like when you say that, people get mad. People are like, they fucking still make. They don't. They don't. No, they don't. They don't.

Those people at them were like stage comedians. Like, they got, whether they were standups or like improv comedians, they got in fucking. reps back when like that was it. Yeah. And then they got put on. Now you get put, you do your reps in front of the world and you can make it and be funny. And there's plenty of Instagram or TikTokers who are funny. But there's a different, but you're doing it out into space.

There's a different muscle that you get when you do it on stage. When you're doing it on stage for sure. And you hone it and you hone it and you hone it and you hone it with your homies. And then you have like a thing together. So when you are doing it in this. the void, aka a camera for a movie, you know what worked and you know the rhythms and all that shit. That's what I think they have that is missing from comedies now.

I think comedies now are made with an editor. You know, like, they let it roll in those movies in a way that you're like, the timing is less edited than. And also they stopped making comedies. Yeah, because they used to make. They're manufactured now. They truly used to make 50 a year. And now there's like three that come out in the theaters, like huge releases.

And obviously that's a lot less. Yeah. So people aren't breaking from, they used to like, you know, some funny kids. They make a movie. They put it out. If it pops, they get to make more movies. And now they don't do that. What do we think the science is behind this?

Does anybody have a theory? Not having comedies? Besides like the executive. reason where it's like, hey, comedy doesn't travel and we don't want to make a movie just for here. It's got to play so we can make our backup. I think that's a major one. I think that's a lot of it. And then I think it's DVDs. Yeah. The fact that there's no DVDs anymore. So that's where comedies made a lot of their money was even if it came out and made some money in the theaters, then if it's a hit and they have a cult following, like it would make all their money and plus.

Right. But what's the difference? between DVDs and streaming? The amount of money. You have to pay. Yeah. To pay for the DVDs. So you're saying they don't recoup as much. But if you're...

Because streaming is they wanted every movie to be worldwide because that's how they get new subscribers. Right. So if they just release movies that are only successful in America, America is saturated. And there's no A24, there's no A24 for comedy. Yeah. Like A24 who they're like, we don't want to make that much money. David Gordon Green, I guess he was telling me that Blumhouse.

So he's friends with, what, the Blumhouse guy? What is his name? Jason Blumhouse? Jason Blum. Jason Blum. Yes. So he's friends with David Gordon Green, is friends with Jason Blum. And I don't think I'm speaking out of turn because he told me this.

He, Jason told him to say that he should do Blumhouse but for comedy, make them super dirt cheap and then once one hits, then they're off to the races. You know? Well, is that the answer? Sorry. I thought Jason Blum was going to go, we've thought about that, but here's the reason we don't do it. No, I mean, I don't know. He says Jason Blum was like, it could work. Like, it needs someone like a David Gordon Green with a pedigree and with, because, you know,

David's directed a lot of big movies. Do you think there's anything to just the style of consuming comedy has changed so much because of phones and scrolling. Absolutely. The funniest stuff. That's the other thing. And like physical, like physical gags, you used to have to go to the movies

to see, like, somebody fall off a roof and, like, land on their nuts or whatever. And even if it wasn't, like, fully accurate, if it was good enough, slapstick, whatever, stuntman, you lost your shit. And that's, and I'm speaking base level comedy

as opposed to, like, like, smart guy comedy, because I still think there's a place for that. but just like baseline 12-year-old boy comedy you kind of can't beat the real shit you see on the internet with somebody just really falling off of a roof and landing on their nuts

it's like we have America's... America's funny home videos 24-7 which was the greatest show ever. Or jackass. Totally. Like you can't do jackass anymore because you're competing against the population of planet earth, right?

Right. Well, kind of remember Because there, who was that one dude? Remember he was like squeeze lemons in his eyes all the time? Remember him? Supreme Patty or something? Remember that too? This is an internet guy? Oh yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Internet guy. I remember him. I think you're right. That was kind of like the next wave of like jackass. It was just people like fucking themselves up. Well, now it's just you have your YouTube channel or your you stream constantly and that's your jackass. Right.

And those, by the way, those guys have made more money. than Johnny Knoxville. Like they, you know what to be? So, and Johnny Knoxville has to like piss in a bag or whatever. I don't know if he still has to, but for a long time he did. So, I don't know. Yeah, things are changed. It does suck because I do really miss comedies in the, in the theater.

Oh, for sure. What's the last funny comedy you guys saw? Naked gun. Oh, yeah. Naked gun, yeah. I haven't seen, I have not gotten to go to the theater yet, but I plan on going to see Anaconda. it's funny. But I've yet to see it. Oh, yeah. It's funny. What the hell. That's right. That's a comedy, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Blake. That came out. But it has it, but here's the thing is that. Well, the original wasn't. It's a horror comedy. Like, it's got a killer snake. So it's, it's, it's not more that than it is a comedy, but it kind of rides the line in a way that you're like. Yeah, you have to do, you have to be something else that isn't just a comedy. Right. Even when we did Game Over, Man. It was like...

It was an action comedy. So you... Did you guys see just one of those days? Or just one of them days? What's that? No, that was the one with Kiki and Siza. Oh, I heard it was very good. Super funny.

Yeah. Super funny. That's the last funny movie I've seen. I want to check that out. Where I'm like, this is it. And by the way, it's just about getting rent. There you go. Classic.

It's just about getting rent. Love it. I love it. But through a new lens, girls in the hood, figuring it out. Very specific. so funny. I gotta check that out. I'm really trying to watch a lot of movies right now.

I just saw one battle after another. I enjoyed it quite a bit. Really? Yeah, you weren't in on that one? No, that movie's stupid. That movie, I was watching it going, I hate that this movie feels kind of stupid. Stupid?

Yeah, like, what do you mean? Well, I thought it was like funny in ways. Like, it was making me laugh. Is that what you mean by stupid? What do you mean? No. Like, like, kind of not thought out.

Like, just not good. Hmm. I didn't. I just didn't believe anything. Yeah, it looks like PTA's not going to call you back. He's mad because he cut him out of that movie. Yeah. Yeah, he's mad.

Well, that also wasn't that good. I like licorice pizza. I like licorice pizza. Yeah. That was good. But this seems like it was the year of dumb movies. I just watched the long walk on the airplane from Mexico. Oh, that one's about literally like a long walk.

It's a Stephen King movie. It's literally like running man or like hunger games where it's, the society has crumbled. Everyone's poor. So you sign up to walk. Okay. I like taking a walk. Whoever is the last one standing wins a bunch of money.

and then one wish. And I haven't finished it. It's going to take a lot for me to go back and turn this on. You know, I watched The Running Man. They're like, Mike, come keep. Oh, the Running Man is also just dumb. Dude, I wanted to love it because I love Edgar Wright. I think Glenn Powell's great.

Like, I like him. And I was really excited for it because it looks really cool. Like, it looks fucking sick, like a fun movie, a world you wanted to live in. And it just didn't get me. I was just like, oh, yeah. I mean, it was fine. I didn't hate it. I, like, enjoyed my time watching it,

but I wasn't blown away, like I was by some of his other movies. Like, Baby Driver, I thought was sick. That was a good one. Baby Driver was cute a-up. But there was no, like, into the running man, there just was no, like,

intelligent move. There was no part where I was like, oh, this guy's a smart character. He did something really genuinely intelligent about this whole not like here and there like oh we outsmarted them there

I'm saying like satisfying at the end where you go yeah this guy fucking rocks well Arnold didn't do that it's like the reason the fugitive is fucking cool is because he does things

throughout that you're like oh what a brilliant idea and it's a detective movie at the same time right right well that's but and by the way the running man for me they're like

he's like a tough guy and he's like walking around like tough guy and I'm like just just chill just chill and then he gets cattle prodded and like holds onto it

and he's like don't do that again and they're like well you're just pissed off at everything and I was like okay so that's gonna be the thing he's just like an angry pissed off guy and then they kind of just abandon that

and he's not that what I gotta watch it it just is starting to sound kind of cool I just these these movies And by the way, I know if you're listening, you're like, well, then fucking write one, dude, I'm trying. It's really hard. And when you write something that isn't stupid, they don't want to make it. Okay.

They give you a note that goes, hey, can you just kind of not? Let's stupid it up. Can you explain this? They do. Because Matt, I know. They go, can you explain this? And I go, well, you don't get it. They go, no, no, no, we get it.

But like, it seems like you need to have the character, have the character say it out loud. You can't just have him punched the wall. you got to have him go, I'm pissed because of the thing. And it's like, well, the thing just happens. I'm pissed now. And then he punch the wall. Because of the thing. I think you guys are also explaining why, like, comedy is on the internet and on Instagram is because it's people's pure comedic perspective.

It's no notes are given. They're just. This episode's funny. They're giving you the funniest, bro. The funniest shit. So it doesn't have to go through any of those filters of people going, uh, can you explain this or... I know, but also,

the annoying thing is it doesn't tell any sort of story. Like, I like a story. And when the guy takes his mask off, you're like, wait, who's the guy? I've never seen this. Like, Maine Hunter or whatever? I'm like...

No, I'm saying, on the internet, sorry. I mean, like, on the internet, I'm like, there's no story to it. It's just like, yeah, girls be walking like this, and guys be like, ugh. And you're like...

God Blake. Yes, sir. Blake likes it. But I'm like, I'd like it. I'm a fan. Some kind of story. Or just a guy dressed as a bush jumping out of people like at the fucking boardwalk. No, you know what's how funny?

You know what's really funny? But you know what? I want to see that movie and we follow him home. Right. And he takes off the bush costume and you see how sad his life. He's got nine children he can't feed. Dude, you know what's really funny? I love those videos.

The golfers where they like tie snakes, fake snakes to the. golf, people golfing. Dude, I can watch those for months. Yeah, you're the reason comedies are out of the theaters. Thanks, but. You need to watch those fake snake videos. They are very good. I will say I watched weapons, which I really liked.

I thought that was, that one stuck with me. That was a really cool movie. Yeah, weapons rocked. Weapons was probably my favorite. My mom goes, well, that was stupid. And I'm like, she gets it. Okay. And she goes, she goes, that was just one of those silly movies that you just watch.

And you go, huh, stupid. And I go, I don't know. I think people like it. And she goes, no, this is one of those movies that you just put it on and go, stupid. And I'm like, Mom, this is the biggest movie, like, horror movie to come up this year. You know what? People really liked it. And she's like, I don't know.

I don't, she was like, she couldn't believe. that anyone likes the movie. Here's what I'll say. I saw, again, the internet. Somebody just go, so no one checked the basement of the house and no one thought those parents,

no one thought those parents. Stupid. The fact that the parents were missing and couldn't come to the school, but an insane, deranged, seeming woman came, and everyone seemed cool with that. Yeah, man.

Hey, maybe your mom was right. I went, but, and so I do think, like, Goofy. The premise was thinner than the execution. I think that movie was executed really well. With the exception of the gun over the house at that one moment.

Gun over the house. The like AK-47 Shadow. I forgot about that. And I was like, I feel like we've covered this because I was like, I saw that and I go, forget it. You didn't see it. Don't worry about it. Don't let it ruin it. Don't let it ruin it.

And then I like the ending. I thought it was fun and blah, blah, blah. But man, the movies this year, I'm like, I don't care about these movies. Well, come on. I love how you say movies. Ders says movies in such a specific, fun way. What do I say? Movies.

Movies. You say movies. Movies. Here's what I would have liked. Movies. One battle after another. If instead of Leonardo DiCaprio, they got Shia. Shia.

That's your hot take. So instead, you would have liked this movie. So instead of the biggest movie star, who's also a great. actor. Leo wasn't good. Here's my hot take. I'm not saying he's a bad actor. I think he was miscast. Great actor. I think he was miscast. We get a certified

Looney Tune. Who is also a great actor? Here's my take. Isn't he our best for his age, for his generation? Shia LeBuck? That's a good question. I'll stack him up. I'll stack him up. Here's what I'll say. Who are others of his gen?

Let me just, let me, I I'm willing to get into this, but I do want to just say, I think the movie didn't work for me because fundamentally Leo just seemed too sloppy. I'm like, this girl's not fucking this guy. There's no fucking way in the world. This tough, beautiful, has her fucking shit together, doesn't take shit from anybody. It's like, yeah, but I fuck this clown.

There's no way. Dude, she loved him for his mind. It wasn't just because he's... What mind? He was... I'm the bomb guy. He was devoted, man. This is my take.

Well, then maybe she was miscast because you're right. She was... She was great. Stunningly hot. She was awesome. I liked her. I liked her.

Maybe we got to ugg her up a little bit. No, no, no. I think she popped. I don't think Leo popped. But here's my take is that Shaya has a more like rigid kind of militantness to him. I would much have rather seen a militant, dumb guy, okay? Hang on.

Who loses everything, becomes an alcoholic stoner, but then is like hell-bent on getting his daughter, but is a dumb militant guy instead of like a sloppy dumb guy. But that's what Sean Penn is. That's why they're the opposite. No, no, no. But who? It didn't work.

It didn't work. Producer Anna is saying, I don't know, girls stay fucking doofy-ass dudes, which is true. Which is true. Dude. Dude, girls do be fucking dofy-ass dudes because it's not like he probably had good. Well, look at my wife. My wife, I've got a beautiful wife. And look at me.

I know you're a goofy ass. You're rich. Adam, you're rich. Adam. Get over it. You're rich. I'm not over it. This guy's living in the fucking middle of nowhere building bombs.

Dude. But he's great at building bombs. He stood. for something. He stood for something. He was rich. It's better than I am. He was rich. I'm just saying. Rich in his beliefs. Come on, man.

And it just didn't seem like a world that I was believing. I'm like... Yeah, and also underneath the duffy ass, he's Leonardo DiCaprio. Yeah, he's gorgeous. She probably saw him shaved once. And he was shaved. He wore a suit. He had to go to a wedding.

And she saw what he could be. Yeah. And she was like, Jesus. When he pulled his hair back, he was hot, dude. In a little poem. Let me just say this. Shy is hitting it. Leo's not hitting it.

Shy is hitting it. Why are you so convinced that Shia LeBuff throws the dick down so hard? I'm not saying he throws the dick down. What I'm saying is... He's saying it. He's crazy, dude. He wants to. Like, he's into it.

I don't think Leonardo Capri was laying down and that chick's riding him. She can get that anyway. Why is she married? Like, why is she? No. See, and now I've turned the page and I'm with you, bud. Thank you. Because when you broke it down like this.

I love this critique. I love this critique. When you broke it down like this, this makes perfect sense. Because Leo, he just is a guy that has been with thousands of women. And it's good of an actor as he is. Yeah. He's bringing that to a performance. He's bringing that to a performance.

So he's lazy. He's lazy in bed. He's not giving it at all. Shia, I don't know. He's a kind of guy that I can see him. He's a giver. I could see him just going on like a pussy fast. It's a mission.

He's like, I actually haven't had sex in six years. Right. And then when he dives back in, he's going to be such a fucking lover. Oh. And these women will be please left and right. 69, dudes. This isn't even what the movie's about. out. Yeah, but then they're bringing that

to the performance. See, that's, you know. In five years, when AI gets there, I'm plugging, I'm plugging in shy out of this movie. Plug it and plugging. And it's going to be better. See, no, because that's not even what the movie's about. It's not. Can you imagine a serious, a serious dumb person

trying to save the world is so much better than a guy who's like, I got a long jacket, I don't know what I'm doing. You're worried about the wrong relationship. It's about a, father and his daughter. It's not about the lovers. I don't believe that this guy's a good dad either.

I think that a serious... Oh, man, he's trying his best. No. I'm telling you. One battle after another. He's just a stoner, dude. He's just a stoner. I know, but he's seen like a stoner already.

So then for him to become, what, more of a stoner, it's not a turn. That's a cool movie. I want to see a guy who, like, is fixated on doing this thing and fighting the revolution, who is too stupid to do a good job. No, but he wasn't fixated on fighting the revolution. He was fixated on pleasing his psychotic girlfriend. No, he wasn't, though.

She was like, let's fuck right here. Let's do this. And he was like, gotcha, bitch. All right. Yeah. He was, I mean, he was trying to please her. She's a absolute psychopath who wants to lead the revolution. By the way, who turned on his ass.

Fuck her. And I'm wondering why. and I'm asking. Okay. I'm asking and I'm not like, this is not like a meat. This is not a take down. And if you haven't seen this movie,

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She's great. Tiana Taylor. Why she's fucking Sean Penn? and like you can get into like the like power dynamic da da da da da da but like gross like yeah there's got to be somebody else you want to overpower who isn't that guy well and also it's because she was an absolute psychopath and by the way tiana taylor i'm looking at her she was strikingly she's a striking looking woman she's unreal she's gorgeous but so here's my thing you're letting that guy come in you

Fuck it. Because it ends up being his daughter, right? It's love. My whole thing is that chick that they illustrated, that they kind of defined as this thing, is not letting that guy come inside of her. When they show the second, she pulls a gun out,

and I'm guessing puts it in his asshole is what they're kind of alluding to, right? I guess I got to rewatch it. I'm like, so like, okay. Yeah, you're getting me fucking little chubbed up over here. I'm kind of getting kind of. So that I understand. I go, okay, so she sticks a gun in the

asshole of a militant white guy. Love that. But then she lets him come in her. Don't understand that. That's a huge leap for me. I don't know, bro. Maybe she scooped it in herself. Maybe she scooped it in herself as a power move.

We don't know. Even a more league. I think you're getting hung up on the wrong things. It's a father-daughter movie. It's not about come. He's not even the dad. Dude, for Durs, it's always about com, dude. It always, every movie.

That's why he couldn't watch Wonka. That's why Wonka fell off for him. It was too cum-based. Comedy. Make comedies. Make comedies great again. And I thought, I found it super boring until they had the, like, device, super boring until they had the device where it's like, is it his kid or the other guy's kid?

Also, Isaac's chiming in with a thing that I brought up 15 minutes ago. She also snitched on all of her friends. We know, Isaac. I liked the movie a lot. I thought it was really awesome. I thought it was reminiscent. I liked it too. Yeah, I thought it was dope.

People were like best movie of the year. People call it a masterpiece. And I'm like, what are we doing? What are we doing? I thought it was really great. A little underwhelmed by that because I'm like, I liked it. But I wasn't like, this is the best we have all year long. This is number one.

I think weapons is one. I liked weapons for them. Let me ask you guys a question. Would you ever watch that movie again? Yes, because Benicio del Toro, bro. Dude, it's a fucking man. He's lukewarm in that movie. What? He kills it.

He's a nice guy. He's a cool guy. He's like, I got a beer, let's go. And you're like, great. Yeah, and he's helping. He's helping out. That's it. Not enough. I don't watch a lot of movies twice, so that's a odd question, but I would watch it.

Yeah, I liked it, a lot. I put a gun to your head you would watch it. Blake, I'm surprised you even watch it. watched these movies when you're too bit when guys are fucking getting their nuts kicked on the internet and when guys are putting lemons trust me increasing lemons in their eyes on the internet well i watched the movie while i was on instagram but yeah okay it was really good in the background that checks out and by the way pta has made many masterpieces ptta rocks many so he's he's good he's good to go this just for me i was like sitting there going no

Interesting. That ain't it. The whole time he's just like, I wish it was Shia LeBuff. As soon as I walked out, I go, Buff boy. Should have been Shia. Should have been Shia. Or like a John Baranthal.

Some like serious. I don't think he works anymore. Hard-edged guy is way funnier to watch failing because they're stupid because they so seriously want it. That to me is because for me the comedy of it is like a guy who's incapable. of saving the day. He's just really trying to save the day and he's failing. He can't remember the, oh, I don't know the

password. It's funny one time. I think they did it three or four times and I'm like, we know. He doesn't know it. That's funny. And Adam, it is funny the first time. And then when he doesn't know the second time, you're like... I liked it the second and

third time too. I like to beat a dead horse though. But any takebacks, any apologies, any epic slams. Just a bunch of double downs for me Weapons is number one for you, Blake? Or you, Adam? I think so.

I think that was my favorite movie this year. Of the handful of movies I've seen, yeah, weapons. Weapons was really good. Yeah. I don't even know what I've seen this year. My mom thought it was so dumb. Stupid. Stupid!

She's like, oh, gosh. Well, that was just a goofy movie to watch. And I'm like, yeah, it's a big hit, Mom. Couldn't reparate. around it. Yeah. But that doesn't make it good. Sinners also awful. Wow, Durs. You're on a rampant. Sinners is the other big movie. I like sinners. Laugh out loud. I laughed so hard at that movie. I was like, the white guys like doing like Irish jigs was pretty funny. I'm howling in the theater. I'm like, we're really watching these white people, Irish jig as vampires outside of a house that they're trapped in.

where's the tension? This is a bad movie. Wait a second. You've been walking in and out of here all night. And now you're asking me if you can come in and you're not just coming in. You guys pick up on this shit? I'm like, what are we doing here? And then when the woman just screams and lets everybody in.

Well, it's because in the other room, the guy's already turned into a vampire. So that's already happened. And now they're like, wait. And for anybody who hasn't seen the- audience is already, we already know. Like, you want to see. For anybody who hasn't seen these movies, I would like to take back

talking about them and ruining them for everybody. That's right. We did. And by the way, if you haven't seen these movies, what do you do it? Get into the theater, support the arts. Well, by the way, they're all on streaming now. They are.

Just stream it. Just stream. Yeah, you could easily watch it. What did I watch this year? I'm like, I'm online now and I'm looking at these movies and I'm like, what was good? I did like weapons. I want to watch Roof Man.

I've yet to see it. Anna wrote, have you seen the new Channing Tata movie, Roof Man? Anything Channing does is usually pretty good. Yeah, I like him. I'm a Channing guy. I'm a Channing Head. Was the new Predator's good?

I heard that the new predator. I heard that was cool. I hear that's cool. Yeah, I've yet to see that one. That has to be streaming by now. But guys, what the fuck is happening? Like, even this Denzel Spike Lee movie, highest to lowest? I haven't seen it, but I also haven't heard anybody talk about it. Oh, I saw it.

Was it good? Cool? I can't remember. That's what I'm saying. This is the best movie podcast of all time. Isn't this crazy? Oh, my God. No, it was cool. It actually was really cool. It was cool. Okay. But it's on Apple. I feel like when you watch a movie, yeah, I feel like when you watch a movie on streaming, unless they eventize the movie, It was just like a thing that just was there. And I was just like, oh, does the Washington click? And I watched it and I liked it. But it wasn't eventized at all.

So I don't remember it in the same way. I saw Eddington. I thought Eddington was okay until I saw one battle after another. And now I really like Eddington. I think that's kind of the same movie, but better. Any apologies? Any double downs? Is this your double?

I'm going through movies now. F1 I liked. F1 was cool. F1. F1 was fine. I thought F1 was fine. Yeah, I thought it was cool. People loved it. I was just like, you were absolutely right when saying like F1 is basically like you're just sort of learning that they need to stop for tires all the time. And that's kind of the whole movie.

It's a movie about tires. Tires. Yeah. It's a movie about stopping for tires. Great show. Tires. Tires on Netflix. Tune in.

Tune in. Netflix original. better. Okay. Any tapebacks apologies? Any epic slams? I took back, I did my take back. All the spoilers. I'm sorry to the fans who had to hear that. Yeah. And I would like to glob on. Glom? Glom or glob? Glom. I think you're about to lob on. To what Blake just said and I apologize for all the spoilers. Isn't it crazy you guys? Like did you, did anyone see Springs Dan? All right. And that's another episode. Anybody see Wicked too. This is

important. We've lost it. What is this movie? We've lost him. We've lost him. What are these movies? We've lost him. He's lost.

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