This Is Woman's Work with Nicole Kalil - Healing Relationships: The 4 Essential Pillars for Lasting Love with Dr. Rachel Glik | 283
Episode Date: February 24, 2025In this episode, we explore how to transform all of our relationships—romantic, platonic, and everything in between. Our guest, Dr. Rachel Glik, is a licensed professional counselor with over 30 yea...rs of experience assisting couples and individuals in building stronger, healthier, and more fulfilling relationships. She is the author of A Soulful Marriage: Healing Your Relationship With Responsibility, Growth, Priority, and Purpose, which outlines four foundational pillars for lasting love: Responsibility: Being personally accountable for one's own happiness and well-being. Growth: Utilizing relationship challenges as opportunities for individual and mutual development. Priority: Placing your partner as the most significant person in your life. Purpose: Using the relationship as a force for sharing and contributing positively to the world. Dr. Glik has contributed to MindBodyGreen, an online magazine with over 10 million readers monthly, and is a regular contributor on the Fox Morning Show in St. Louis. In our discussion, Dr. Glik elaborates on these four pillars, providing practical advice on how to implement them to heal and strengthen various types of relationships. She emphasizes that connection is not just part of the solution; it is the solution. Connect with Our Guest: Dr. Rachel Glik Website: https://www.drrachelglik.com/  Book: https://www.drrachelglik.com/a-soulful-marriage IG: https://www.instagram.com/drrachelglik/ FB: http://www.facebook.com/10156474190839727 Related Podcast Episodes: 163 / Do You Believe in Love? with Arielle Ford Two Can Win (Helping Two-Career Families Move From Chaos To Connection) with Tiffany Sauder | 243 098 / Connecting To Your Inner Love Coach with Nicole Moore Share the Love: If you found this episode insightful, please share it with a friend, tag us on social media, and leave a review on your favorite podcast platform! 🔗 Subscribe & Review: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Amazon Music
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I am Nicole Kalil and you're listening to the This Is Woman's Work podcast where together
we're redefining what it means, what it looks and what it feels like to be doing woman's
work in the world today.
And we can't even begin to do that without having a conversation about our relationships.
It's easy to see how far we've come in our careers,
more women in the workforce leading in business
and making decisions that were not so long ago
completely off limits.
But here's the thing,
much of that progress has been additive.
Women aren't just breaking barriers,
we're carrying the weight of them too.
We're leading companies and managing households.
We're chasing dreams and chasing kids.
Which brings me back to my original point.
Redefining woman's work is going to require us
to redefine our relationships, our marriages,
partnerships, parenting, and our friendships,
because the way we've been doing it
isn't working for most of us.
And I don't think we're meant to feel this lonely, burnt out, exhausted, and somehow
simultaneously feel both over and underwhelmed all the time.
Do I want women to chase their dreams and celebrate their ambition?
You bet your ass I do.
But I also believe that we shouldn't have to burn ourselves and our relationships into the
ground to get there. I definitely don't want the answer to be for women to have to sacrifice more.
So I've brought in a leading relationship and mental health expert to help us rethink what
fulfilling and lasting relationships need to thrive. Not just romantic partnerships, but
possibly also friendships and within your community. Because friend, one of the biggest lessons
I've learned is this. While Jay is my favorite human on the planet, he cannot
be my only human. I need my friends now more than ever. And when my life becomes
so small or when it feels so small that there's only space for work,
being a wife and being a mom, it has never really worked out well for me. So yes, this is about our
marriages, but also about our friendships and the relationships that we build within our lives,
because the new definition of woman's work is not meant to include us going it alone.
So I'm thrilled to introduce our guest Dr.
Rachel Glick, a licensed professional counselor with over 30 years of
experience helping couples and individuals build stronger, healthier, and
more fulfilling relationships. She's the author of A Soulful Marriage, Healing
Your Relationship with Responsibility, Growth, Priority, and Purpose, and has
written for Mind Body Body, Green,
an online magazine with over 10 million readers each month,
and is a regular contributor
to the Fox Morning Show in St. Louis.
So, Rachel, Dr. Glick, thank you for being our guest.
And I wanna start by acknowledging,
correct me if this stat is incorrect,
but according to the American Psychological Association,
it estimates the probability
of first marriages ending in divorce is 41% in 2024. So all of that leads to you being
here today and me asking, what does it take to build lasting and fulfilling relationships?
Thank you. Well, first of all, thank you so much for having me. So what I have found through my own experience
in being married for 36 years,
and also seeing clients with couples in particular
for almost the same,
and studying spiritual wisdom of Kabbalah,
that it comes together that there are these four core ideas
or consciousnesses that can guide creating,
really taking control over your relationship and creating it.
And I love what you're talking about
for the empowerment component,
because the first pillar, I call them four pillars,
and the first pillar is responsibility,
where we're each responsible
for our own happiness and wellbeing.
And I think, I know for me, getting married in the 80s,
being born in the 60s, there was still a lot of focus
on a man fulfilling you and that being your source of happiness.
And that was really where my husband and I ran into our first huge bump.
But that became the breakthrough that we're really each, he's not responsible for my happiness,
I'm responsible for my own and vice versa.
So that includes self-care, that includes self-love, it means
working on yourself and knowing yourself and really feeling like you're the one to hold your
own North Star. And so that's the first pillar. And oftentimes I'm working with couples is we have
to back up and go to pillar one because they're not grounded in themselves. And it's not all or
nothing, but it's important to be mindful of that. I can see how having to go back to that first pillar would be probably pretty commonplace
and incredibly important because it's counter to what I think we have been taught, whether
it's consciously or subconsciously, a lot of our lives, which is to find a partner is
to find happiness.
As opposed to we can be in a relationship and not be happy
and we can not be in a relationship and not be happy.
Now, being loved does help me feel happy,
but what I misunderstood, I think,
before I met my husband was that there were so many ways
to be loved and there are so many ways to be loved and there are so many ways
to feel loved and I could give myself that feeling. So all of that to ask the question,
given that most of our listeners are women, where do you see women's biggest opportunity in this
being responsible for our own happiness? What is popping up a lot? I think it's really the not feeling guilt
for prioritizing oneself.
There's a healthy way to prioritize ourself
and it's actually the most responsible thing to do.
And I think it's part of also finding our power,
our empowerment is not feeling,
this is for both partners,
but I think especially for women,
is to really not wait for your partner to be something
or do something for you or be something to you
for you to become the best version of who you wanna be.
It's an important first step to take that ownership over.
I wanna become, my own relationship with myself
is the foundation for everything
I wanna build with my partner. And that doesn't mean you don't address issues.
Absolutely, that gets to pillar two.
But the first thing is to look at where is it that perhaps something that's going on
in my relationship, not be in the mindset which is common, which is I'll change when
they change.
Or, you know, they're not giving me what I want so I'm going to, you know, kind of back
up or and it's just it's counterintuitive. A lot of what I have found through studying
spiritual wisdom, especially wisdom of Kabbalah, is it's, and life itself is,
it's counterintuitive to really make headway. So that's where I would encourage to back up and
see first, where is it that this is showing me something that I know I need to work on in myself
anyway? Maybe it's to believe in yourself,
overcome your doubts, work on your own self-love
as the first step and then approach your partner
with how you might be able to improve the connection
or whatever's going on.
Everything you're saying makes sense to my brain.
I just, I sometimes do better with examples
and I'm sure some people listening in might feel that too.
Can you give us an example or like a how-to step
that we could take in the spirit of being responsible
for our happiness and for our needs?
If we find ourselves saying,
oh, if only my spouse would do this,
or if only this person in my life would give me this,
then I would feel happy.
How could we go about approaching that differently?
Well, first is to change the mindset.
That's why we need the consciousness of the pillar,
that I'm responsible for my own happiness and wellbeing.
That's pillar one.
Then from there, we're taking a look at how is that,
if you feel like your partner isn't as supportive
in the domestic side of things, let's just say,
or, and you feel overloaded,
or then the first step to take would be
to take responsibility is like, where's my own self-care?
Where am I looking outside for somebody
to do something for me that I'm not doing for myself?
And it's not to do that in a way
that you then beat yourself up about it,
or it's not a shaming approach, it's an empowering approach. And so that would be
one example or, you know, because that's often the case if someone feels overloaded or their
needs aren't being met, we don't, we're not wired to think first, how am I not treating
myself the way that I'm wishing my partner were treating me?
Yeah, turning it inward, like you said earlier, kind of counterintuitive.
Yes, exactly. Great. It's kind of quantum in that way. Okay, so then what is the second pillar?
The second pillar is growth. And this is where I'll say to clients, and this is usually when
people reach out for therapy, is because they're having problems with the growth. But what that
means is, is they're fighting like cats and dogs, or they're disconnected, or it's the friction part of the relationship.
It's, and this is what I say, it relieves a lot of couples right away,
is your friction is not a bad sign.
In fact, if used properly, it's a gift.
So the principle here is that the kind of byline to the growth pillar
is that we use our friction to help us grow individually and closer
together. And so inherently we are here to grow. That's kind of the paradigm that
I present from my own experience of what I've studied and it works. It's an
effective approach. It's an empowering approach. So you want to like lean
into the friction. We tend to avoid it or think it's really a problem. I
picked the wrong person or we reject what avoid it or think it's really a problem, I picked the wrong
person or we reject what's happening in the present moment. And when we are present with,
okay, I'm going to lean into this friction and see how this is showing me where I can
grow. That's the first step. And then I'm going to see how we can use this friction
for us to grow closer together. And so this is where this has more chapters in my book
than any other other pillar because there's a lot of work to do in this section.
I often think one of the challenges outside looking in
in long-term relationships is this idea
that both of you will evolve and change
in similar directions at similar times.
And so that leads to my question,
what if one of you feels more committed to growth than
the other or any wisdom there?
Absolutely.
It's common.
We're not, we tend to be drawn to people who are about at the same level of emotional spiritual
maturity.
It may show up in different ways, but we tend to be drawn, but we don't always grow at the
same pace.
We don't always have the same desire for personal growth or the same capacity for it. And that's very common. It really is.
First, don't panic if you aren't completely matched. And you kind of go back to pillar one,
what does this mean for me in my life and what can I do to keep being the best version of myself?
But you want to find a way to find the common ground where you can each, the more you not
get as reactive with your partner, you might be the one who is more of the manager of the
relationship and that's okay.
It's hard to accept sometimes.
We might feel resentful.
Why is my partner not noticing that something needs work and why aren't they wanting to
grow as much as I?
But if you can accept that and embrace with radical acceptance that this is where he or
she is and this is where I am, and then from there you just do your best to learn as much
as you can about how to use your friction in a way that doesn't create defensiveness
and name calling or blaming and where you can find skillful ways
to make it a win-win for both of you.
That takes a lot of responsibility and intention.
And it's training, like in Pillar Two,
I try to give kind of a micro training in listening skills
because it's a huge component of what breaks down
is communication skills,
which often people think communicating
is just saying what's on my mind,
but communication skills means
mostly being a really good listener
that really lets the walls come down
and you can get to the heart of what each of you are needing
or dreaming or desiring or afraid of.
I feel like if any of us improved even just a little bit
in the skill of listening without defensiveness,
all of our relationships would transform
as would the world.
I mean, what a difficult skill,
because I think you're right,
we do spend a lot of energy trying to figure out
how to communicate with words, our thoughts or requests
or feelings or whatever. We're thinking about how to say totally different perspective to
come in with how to listen.
Yes. Talk about counterintuitive. It's counter ego. Like we are wired for self-preservation.
So it's irrational on some level, but we need to learn how to be irrational in the right way.
And that's why I offer in the book, I combine three different kind of structured listening tools
that allows you to have a little bit of fences around the inclination to be afraid you're not
going to be heard or to feel like you're're gonna lose something if you really take the time
to understand your partner better.
Yeah.
So clearly we need to read the book,
but any quick tip on listening
and kind of leaving defensiveness out of it
when having these friction oriented conversations?
Yes.
The first is the power of pause.
That's the first thing I always like to
introduce. And I like to do PBR, which is pause, like that's funny because it's the beer PBR,
but it's pause, breathe, relax, but not to think you have to address the, which on your mind right
then to make sure that you work on regulating your own nervous system first. And because we have
different kinds of thinking systems, you know, we have different parts of the brain and we
want to get to the part of the brain that can think long range and not just reactively
trying to get relief.
For me, listening is always the hardest part because I'm constantly thinking in my head how to
respond or how to make my point understood or how to feel heard really. I
actually think my husband is better at the listening and the pause part than I
am. So it definitely takes practice and I think the first two pillars are
challenging enough but what is the third pillar
once we're working through responsibility and growth and what comes next? Yes. So I want to
briefly mention that it's normal that it's very difficult to listen, but it is a trainable skill.
And that's why I offer structured exercises because we need the structure to do it and you can practice and get better.
And the pausing and stepping aside to help you switch to a different system within yourself
is a good first step.
And then if you're looking for one simple thing, it's just to try to reflect back what
you heard your partner say and take what I call the love seat listening method, which
is where you take turns being speaker and listener.
So, the third pillar is it starts to lighten up,
but it's not less important, and that is priority.
And this is where we wanna explore
to what extent do you feel like you make each other
the most important other person in your life, and in a way that they know it so that they that yes you're your relationship with
yourself must come first but do you feel cherished are you what are you doing to
make sure your partner feels cherished and their love language and their way of
operating in the world and where do you on the lookout for the things that can
become like a third entity
that get in between you and your partner,
being, feeling like you're cherished,
feeling like you're a priority?
So where does understanding how the other person
feels that way come into play?
So what I'm thinking of is,
I can think of relationships where I've heard people say, well, I'm working
so hard because I prioritize the family and I want to provide or I'm doing all
of the household tasks and making sure that house is put together and
clean because that's my way of showing love and care for the family. Well, if the
other person doesn't experience it as that,
or doesn't feel like that's how I want to be prioritized,
how do we kind of find the way of doing it
where it also is experienced as that?
That's such a good question.
So I have something that I call the marriage wheel,
or it could be a relationship wheel, which
has these eight different types of intimacies, eight facets
of, or I call them friendships.
And those include like the different ways we might connect or might share a life together.
And around that wheel, and I can share what those are if we have time for that, but what's
around that wheel is communication.
So this brings us back to establishing in pillar two a good method for
navigating our differences. And so if you aren't aware that that is your partner's love language,
you might interpret it wrong and not feel loved by that. But then you also want to learn from your
beloved what is it that makes them feel really loved. And so then you work on that. And that's,
again, back to growth.
Like, if it's difficult in some way
to love your partner the way they feel loved,
you should celebrate that because then you're
stretching yourself as a human being
to go out of your nature and becoming more proactive love
than reactive love.
And that's where you start to elevate yourself as a person.
And you start, you're growing and you feel the energy comes from that connection of growth together. So I think it's
important you talk about your differences and you become more
compassionate for how the other makes you feel loved. And I did this questionnaire
to my friends and people that I see that really prioritize each other and their
relationship and and and they loved the question itself, which is,
you know, in what way does your partner, the little things they do or the bigger things
that they do make you know that you're number one? And that would be a good question you can
ask your partner is what are the ways of things you're already doing that make me feel number one
and what could we do going forward that will help me feel even more cherished and even more of a priority to you? Great questions. I would imagine that most of the responses are personal, individual,
and intimate, meaning that my answer might be different than the next person than is different
than the next person. But given your experience, have you seen any universal truths? Like,
experience, have you seen any universal truths? Like most people really appreciate this
or this typically doesn't work when it comes
to the priority pillar.
That's so interesting because we are all so different.
But I was going to say most people want to be appreciated,
I would say as an overall.
And sometimes people want to hear it in words.
And sometimes people want to hear it, see, and sometimes people want to hear it, see it,
experience it in actions, or both.
But even when you share grievances,
that can be communicated as not appreciating all the other
things that they're doing.
So if somebody isn't a words person,
that they want to hear you talk about how much you love them
and thank you for making the broccoli so good
or whatever it is, you can also work on showing appreciation by managing how many complaints you share and being happy and fulfilled
and satisfied. But I think we all want to feel appreciation. And when we lose appreciation,
that's when we also lose so much of the love actually in the relationship.
It speaks to my experience for sure.
Appreciation is at the top of my list.
All right, I can't let you go
without talking about the fourth pillar
and I wanna talk about the eight friendships.
Yeah, so let's talk about pillar four.
Okay, so pillar four is the least talked about,
the best kept secret, which we learned my
husband and I through the wisdom of Kabbalah especially, all of these really informed our
relationship to go to the next level, along with my own experience in the psychotherapy
world.
But the sense of purpose that you're here for bigger than just yourself and not that
we aren't important and we shouldn't, it's very valuable to be happy and also take care
of your family.
That has purpose too.
But this is the kind of purpose that you might go outside your collective.
And it doesn't have to be all the time, but to start seeing yourselves as an entity is
a gift that you've been given in your togetherness and how can you use what you have collectively
to make the world better.
And that's kind of gloss over some of the friction points
and it can add a new dimension.
And you see like the key is to awaken generosity of spirit.
And once you're in that mode, it's like you're in a frequency
that is contagious for your relationship.
It's funny, I never thought about it this way
until you said it.
I was trying to think like, what is J&I's purpose?
I don't know that we've talked about it, but I do know modeling partnership as something
different than I've experienced it up to this point.
Modeling more equity in a relationship.
And that doesn't mean each of us do the exact same things in equal amounts
or anything like that,
but having a more equitable partnership
where we both win, we both feel appreciated,
we both feel supported and valued
and celebrated in our ambition and our careers.
I don't know that again, we've had the conversation
or defined that as our purpose,
but it is a purpose that drives me
that feels bigger than just the two of us
or even with our child too.
You're modeling that for JJ is really important to me.
But yes, so how do we have this conversation
about our purpose?
Is that like, sit down, let's talk about it?
Are there some questions to ask?
Well, first of all, I'm so inspired by what you just shared that I think that we, you know,
there is many levels of purpose and it's all about intention and consciousness. If you're aware
that our, my partnership is healing my lineage, is forwarding our society, is creating
examples of more human dignity and respect and possibilities and then
that is that's purpose and that's purpose inside the relationship. Then
the purpose outside your relationship is where you take it and you may be with
people you'll never meet but that really expands us into the
all the interconnectedness
of all of us. And that has a spiritual nature to it. So how to start is first to, you know,
you could share with each other and ask, like, does it matter to you to some sense of where
do you see we have purpose? Is purpose in our relationship important to you and in what
ways? And how about we talk about how we might be able to pull
our TTTs, our time, talent, treasure, our gifts,
our energy, our love, our kindnesses,
and see how we might be able to use a portion of that
to then share outside.
And you can make it, you know, this what this whole book is,
is my husband and I coming together talking about that
on a regular basis.
And so it's like, why don't I write, Why don't we? But I ended up writing it,
but he's in it throughout. And what we learned was kind of the laboratory for how we can use what
we've gained and the gifts we've been given to pay it forward. So I think just talking about it,
it's a fun topic, actually. It totally is. And I've never heard it. I've not
heard anybody bring that to the table. Jay and I do this thing we call family forecasting. We do
deeply a couple of times a year and then in between that as well. And we ask a bunch of questions and
get on the same page with our finances and our date nights. But this is not on our agenda.
And it will be the next time around,
this conversation about our purpose.
I love it so much.
Yes.
And I want to also reiterate
that while we are talking about marriages here,
that all four of these pillars can be leveraged
in all sorts of relationships, from friendships
to partnerships to all sorts of things. I've been kind of keeping an eye out for it. I
don't think there's a thing that you said that wouldn't be transferable to any meaningful
relationship.
Exactly. Any relationship that you want to have keep growing and that you want to have
it be closer in connection and more productive,
more successful, like even a work relationship that you can see how you can go through the
pillars. And of course, your long-term committed partner is going to be a unique sense of the most
prioritized, but absolutely scaled to the appropriate way, it absolutely can be for any relationship.
Okay, great. So let's talk about these eight friendships.
Yes. So this is a way of understanding both how to see where your conflict shows up. It's
going to be kind of a roadmap for where are we strong and where are we having not so strong
in our wheel. And then from there, how you
can invest energy to make it stronger. And so I'll say what the eight are. The first
one is emotional connection, your emotional friendship. Now you get like your confidant,
can you trust them, each other? Do you share things? Can you be vulnerable together? Do
you know that you're going to get a decent response from each other if you're connecting?
The second is your sexual or your physical slash sexual, like touch and your sexual friendship.
And then the third is your, if you have children or animals, it's your parenting friendship.
How do you do?
Are you on the same page? Do
you support each other? Do you divide the tasks in a way you feel good about? Then the
fourth is your domestic friendship. How do you handle things that go in the just the
business side of being married the house? And do you feel good about how you're sharing
things? And then the next is your financial friendship. Do you trust each other? Are you
open about it? Do you have a sense that this is our money, not just mine?
And then there's your recreational friendship.
Do you have fun?
Do you laugh?
Is this like a best friend buddy that you just like
and really enjoy time together and not just about work,
not just about tasks in the house?
Do you make sure that you're nourishing your fun?
And then the next is your spiritual friendship and that is either
sharing something spiritual together or at the very least supporting each other's
spiritualities. This is where purpose comes in. Do we feel a sense of that we
have something bigger than us as part of our connection? Okay, so then what I
missed... Oh, this one is interesting that I missed it because
it came to me last and it's community. And that is this one is this one is interesting that I missed it because it
was came to me last and it's community and that is that we're part of a larger
community together and this came to me because this is when some couples don't
want to end the relationship because they're so part of a community. They have
a family, their own nuclear family, their own extended family, their own you know
like spiritual organizations or neighborhoods or
organizations if they work together. So that and that can be a real enhancement that they really
enjoy that part of their relationship or that could be a source of problems that there's,
it's not balanced, there's too much focus on the in-laws or your parents and it's,
I don't feel good about the way we connect with our larger community. So,
okay. So I might take us down a rabbit hole,
but this idea that any one person can be everything to us can be really challenging.
And even as you went through that, and I feel very proud of my marriage, but I don't know that
we're checking every single one of those boxes all the time. And so back to that first pillar of responsibility,
if we can't or aren't getting,
these needs are all, are needs that we have
to live a fulfilling and happy life.
Yes.
If we're not getting it from one person is,
does that change anything about our responsibility
of still getting it, right?
Like, so I might get more of the emotional connection
I crave from some of my girlfriends
than I do from my husband who I tease is dead inside.
He's not, but he's not the best.
With the most emotional things.
I guess my thought was one person may not make us happy,
but getting these needs met probably will.
Yes.
And back to that first pillar of responsibility,
if it's not gonna be them,
it's still our responsibility to get those needs met.
Thoughts, reactions?
I love it.
I love the nuance that you're,
these are the subtleties that it's so, it's such a creative process to be in a person, a human being and
in a relationship because it's not just like black and white. So yes, so the idea there's
always something that isn't just right for us or very right for us, it's importantly
right for us in our most important relationships because we're here to grow and we're here to like use
those gaps to as a kind of elevators for how we can work
on developing as a person and heal things, correct things.
And so we wanna go back to pillar one, like you just did
and see where is it that I am putting more,
I have to accept my partner as they are. And
it causes so much grief if we aren't able to squarely embrace where there is some gaps
or lack where you feel every marriage has lack, there's something missing. And so then
you use that. So and that I say you need to go through a grieving process. And I don't
mean that in a heavy way, but it is disappointing.
It would be so nice if they were all just,
but that's not the game.
That's not the growth process.
And that's not what makes it long lasting and fulfilling.
So first to grieve and acknowledge,
yeah, they are not as connecting emotionally
as I would like.
And, but the key is you wanna see how you can work on it.
Not become where you need them to be,
but is there what small step can happen
that's approachable for your partner
that makes it feel a little closer emotionally?
Be creative about it and also not think it has to be
the way you think it needs to be.
And then really go back to appreciation
and be radical about it and keep listing
all the other qualities that if you didn't have
would be so hard that you have in this relationship.
And then do workarounds, make sure you get your needs met,
but don't ignore where it's missing completely
in your relationship because that's where the growth is,
but you just might wanna take it slow
and keep it relative to what you know is gonna be,
is how they're wired.
We're all wired so differently.
Yeah, yeah.
The idea that we are growing and working on this
together and also leveraging, whether it be within ourselves
or other people to get our needs met. Also note too, that you
don't need to be married to want all of these things or to
deserve or receive all of these things, right? You know, so if
you are not in a committed long-term
romantic relationship, you still get to be happy
and you still get to get these needs met.
It just might be in a different way.
Exactly.
Yeah, there may be a really close relationship
in your life that's more platonic
or that you might find that you have to go through
your wheel and see how are we doing and how can we grow. Or you have some friends or people in your life or family
or colleagues or that serve different parts of the wheel. But it's, you know, in our society
today we really expect a lot out of a long term relationship. It didn't used to be that
way. So this is the modern relationship. It has all these components, but it definitely doesn't
need to all come. The fulfillment doesn't need to come from only being in a long-term relationship.
Absolutely. I wish I would have had this wheel in my 20s and when I met Jay and all along.
So Rachel, thank you. This conversation has been eye-opening and I wish we had more time, but
I know people are going to want
to learn more. So let me remind our listeners that the book is called A Soulful Marriage.
And if you go to drrachaelglick.com, she has all the ways you can find and follow her plus
several ways you can buy the book. Rachel, thank you so much again for your incredible
work and a really important conversation.
Thank you so much, Nicole. This has been such a delight.
My pleasure.
All right, let me close us out with a loving reminder
that redefining woman's work is not about doing more,
sacrificing more, or carrying more weight on your shoulders.
And since it's not about that,
we must shift how we approach our relationships,
our marriages, partnerships, friendships,
and even the relationships with ourselves.
Because we aren't meant to go it alone or together, but feeling lonely. We aren't meant to
burn ourselves out in the pursuit of having it all. The new definition of women's work is about
creating meaningful connections, supporting each other, and finding fulfillment not just in what
we do, but in who we do it with. So whether it's your partner, your friends, or your chosen
community, let this be your reminder to nurture those relationships
and to let them nurture you back.
And if you're feeling overwhelmed, lonely, or burnt out,
start with just one step,
maybe one of those eight friendships.
Reach out to someone,
because connection isn't just part of the solution,
it is the solution.
And it also happens to be the new definition
of what it means to be doing, woman's work.