This Is Woman's Work with Nicole Kalil - How To Achieve Healthy, Glowing Skin - No Botox Or Fillers Required with Lindsey Holder | 326

Episode Date: July 14, 2025

If you’re tired of spending a small fortune on skincare that might work, or overwhelmed by 12-step routines that leave you more stressed than glowing, this episode is your skincare reset. Licensed ...Master Esthetician and spa owner Lindsey Holder joins us to break down exactly how to care for your skin—without Botox, fillers, or Hollywood-level budgets. With over a decade in the beauty industry (including working with celebs in LA), Lindsey is now focused on helping everyday women achieve radiant, healthy skin at home. We get into: Skincare myths (and what’s actually worth your money) Affordable skincare tools and treatments you can do yourself Free ways to support your skin (yes, free!) How to build a routine that works for your skin and your life We also talk about something no serum can give you: confidence. Because skincare should be about taking care of yourself—not chasing perfection or feeding a fear-based industry. If you’re ready for healthy, glowing skin—without the pressure, the guilt, or the injectables—this episode is for you. Connect with Lindsey:  Website: www.lindseyholder.com/guide (free daily skincare guide) Download Lindsey’s FREE skincare app called Lapree Beauty in both IOS or Google Play that gives you skincare tutorial and product review videos! Related Podcast Episodes: How To Feel Good Naked with Chardét Ryel | 212 194 / Key Components of Healthy Living (And It’s Not About How You Look) with Alyse Gaulin 139 / Well-Rested with Jolene Hart Share the Love: If you found this episode insightful, please share it with a friend, tag us on social media, and leave a review on your favorite podcast platform! 🔗 Subscribe & Review:Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Amazon Music Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I'm Nicole Kalil and yes, today's episode of This Is Woman's Work is about skin care. Because friend, I don't know a single woman who isn't spending a small fortune, who doesn't perform a multi-step skin care routine, and who isn't investing a decent amount of time each day in the pursuit of healthy glowing skin. And let's just get this out of the way upfront. I have decided for myself that I'm not investing in Botox or fillers or really anything that involves voluntary needles to the face. But I'd be lying if I said I haven't invested in way too many skincare products, been sucked
Starting point is 00:00:46 into more than one late night scroll induced purchase, and fallen victim to the promise that this one serum, cream, or mask will erase all of the fine lines, lift my skin, and make me look well rested and like I haven't considered running away to a remote island. When in reality, I Google flights on the daily. Where's that miracle product? I mean, the world of skincare is overwhelming. Every product claims to be the solution, the magic potion that will make you look younger, which of course feeds into the deeply flawed idea that our value as women is in our youth
Starting point is 00:01:20 and our attractiveness. But that's just not my experience. My confidence, my self-worth, my actual and perceived value have only increased with age. Sure, I wouldn't mind having my 20-something skin back, but there is no amount of money in the world that could convince me to go back to my 20-something life. Hard pass. That said, our skin is our largest organ and taking care of ourselves, whatever that looks like for you, is always a good choice. So today, we're talking about skincare, but not in the do whatever it takes to look younger
Starting point is 00:01:57 way. We're talking about how to take care of our skin in a way that helps us age, not just gracefully, but hopefully with some mischief and joy, with pride and a lot fewer fucks to give. So here to help us navigate all the serums, tools, and free, yes, can you imagine, free ways to keep our skin healthy and happy, we have Lindsay Holder on the show.
Starting point is 00:02:19 Lindsay is a licensed master esthetician, a spa owner, and the creator of lind Lindsay Holder.com and the free skincare app, LaPrie Beauty. She's worked with celebrity recording artists in LA and has been deep in the beauty industry for over a decade. More importantly, she's all about helping women achieve their skincare goals at home, no celebrity budget required. Okay, so let's get into it.
Starting point is 00:02:44 Lindsay, thank you for being our guest. And I want to start by asking about the basics. Are there any universal things that we should all be doing or most of us should be doing and paying attention to, no matter how obvious or simple, when it comes to our skincare? Thanks for having me, Nicole. Your skin looks great, by the way. Thank you. All the products I purchased.
Starting point is 00:03:07 And I'm about to make your day because I am turning 48 in a couple of months. And also, I do not use Botox or fillers. So it can be done. One thing I'm going to sneak in there that I didn't tell you that I also do is I'm also a rarely hear this. One thing I'm going to sneak in there that I didn't tell you that I also do, because I'm also a... You rarely hear this. I don't think I've ever heard another esthetician also be licensed in this. I'm a licensed thermographer as well, and I own a thermography business.
Starting point is 00:03:34 So that is so important because I see the body. That is my job. I have a medical grade camera. I see inflammation. I see circulatory issues everything that happens with the skin is internal and It really is an inside out kind of job here And so I'm gonna give you some free tools that everyone can use and they're not the traditional ones
Starting point is 00:03:59 So I do have up my sleeve Hey, I can tell you some good skincare that I like, but it goes deeper than that. And I am going to ask you to put one needle in your face. It's not going to be what you think it is. I'm going to tell you how to do that, but it's going to be the game changer, the inexpensive game changer that you are looking for, okay? If you're up for that. I'm up for it and it sounds fascinating.
Starting point is 00:04:21 And I love that skincare is an inside out proposition because one of the things that's a little bit of a pet peeve of mine is how many products try to sell that you will feel more confident when you use it and my area of expertise, I'll put it in air quotes, is confidence and confidence is also an inside out proposition. It is not something that you can buy off the shelf or get a bunch of products. It's not, and I can tell you that it's worked so well with me because my son was born with eczema and there's nothing worse than having your little baby
Starting point is 00:04:59 with eczema all over their body and having to deal with that inflammation. And you are having to figure that out. And that is no easy feat and having to deal with that inflammation and you are having to figure that out and that is no easy feat and it is all with the gut and I figured it out. I love my before. I even have his before and after pictures on my website. I have acne pictures on my website before and after that is inside out too.
Starting point is 00:05:18 And then I battled after having my son out of nowhere rosacea, huge rosacea flare with all the fertility drugs and everything that I was on. And so I had to overcome that. So I've personally had to overcome a lot of skin issues so I can tell you exactly how to do things. I wanted to tell you one thing I do not hear a lot of that I think is so important that we do daily is, and this is inside out, is we really wanna focus on, when you want good skin health, you've gotta focus on your lymphatic system. It is absolutely important.
Starting point is 00:05:53 I think a lot of people just like, oh, whatever, and they bypass that. And I'm here to tell you, no, that should be like, number one on your list, because if you don't know, we have a circulatory system, that's what our heart pumps that automatically. Our lymphatic system has no pump. So everything in your body is just,
Starting point is 00:06:15 that is remaining stagnant, it's not moving. That non-movement, all those toxins that build up, it's not going anywhere, that makes such a difference in your overall body health. So we need to get that moving. So I would love to tell your audience, there's six main points in the body to move your lymphatic. So the first thing I want you to do, and you can even look up a video on YouTube on how to like,
Starting point is 00:06:39 oh, if you really want to know the exact areas, because I'm just gonna to verbally tell you, but there are six areas, okay? So it's right there in your upper neck. You've got that one, your collarbone, your armpits, your abdomen, your groin, and then behind the knees. I want you to pump that daily. And the other thing that I do that is I pump that daily
Starting point is 00:06:58 and then this is going to cost not too much and get them off Amazon. If everyone can jump on their rebounder, please get a rebounder. It's small. They even have ones that fold up if you're tight on space. Get on the rebounder for two minutes a day and that is going to take care of your lymphatic system automatically. I do it every single day. The reason why I can confidently say these work, and this is where my licensed thermography comes in. So, I can take images of someone.
Starting point is 00:07:32 We can see the inflammation and I especially do a lot of breast thermography for women. A lot of women, I'm not saying don't get a mammogram, but they like to do that and not get so much radiation, so they'll get thermography. I can see the inflammation in a breast. I can see the buildup. Your body's not gonna lie with the infrared camera and then I can tell you hey listen why don't you go home and do breast brushing, jump on your reembalder, I want you to work in lymphatic systems. I did this recently with my sister. Two weeks later, gone. The heat underneath was gone, a flash. So it tells me, it shows me it's working.
Starting point is 00:08:07 It does work. So I love women to please do that and try. It's going to help with your de-puffiness of your skin. You're bloating and it's going to take care of a lot of things. If your skin is puffy in the morning and it's bloating, do the facial massage. I know it sounds hokey. People are like, oh my gosh, does the face yoga work? My answer to that is I've never seen a face yoga instructor with bad skin.
Starting point is 00:08:33 They all look great. I'm like, they're glowing. They're sculpted. Please do your facial massage in the shower or in the morning with your skincare. I think that every single layer of your routine in the morning, so if you're washing your face, if you're exfoliating, if you're putting on your serum and your moisturizer, you need to incorporate a facial massage. That's an easy way to just knock it out altogether. I'm a busy mom. I don't have time for a lot of stuff
Starting point is 00:09:04 and so I'm not there doing 30 minutes of mom, I don't have time for a lot of stuff. And so I'm not there doing 30 minutes of skincare. I don't have the time, so I'm incorporating that step into it. So that's one thing I wanted to tell you. Okay, yeah. All amazing things. I don't even know what a rebounder is.
Starting point is 00:09:17 Can you tell us what that is? It's like a mini trampoline. Okay, amazing. So if it's an inside out proposition, you just gave us a few good things that we can be doing, but I would imagine what we put into our bodies, like the foods that we eat or water or things like that are gonna have an impact.
Starting point is 00:09:34 Is there anything specific to our skin that you're like, yes, definitely have more of this or avoid this? So, I'm drinking right now spiced apple. It's a cold day here, spiced apple warm electrolytes. My water never, it rarely has nothing in it. I drink electrolytes all through the day. You're supposed to have one scoop of electrolytes. What I do is I break that scoop up so it's not just that whole salt water.
Starting point is 00:10:04 I break it up through the day. That has been so key to, oh my gosh, I'm excited to drink my water. My water will have amino acids because I drink amino acids before, you know, you want to drink them before you work out and you also want to drink them after you work out. So you need to replenish your body. We also, of course, need that hydration, but you need things in it. Our food is not the way it used to be. We've got to replace those minerals, those nutrients. It's got to be taken internally. So my water consists of this through the day.
Starting point is 00:10:35 I will have, you can do your warm water with lemon. That's fine. I hate to admit it. Sometimes I do that and I like my Mino's. And then I like my cup of coffee, but I do do this. A lot of people, I do decaf coffee. I know people aren't going to go there, but I do take it. I do half calf. I do one cup of half calf first thing in the morning. It checks the box for me right after my lemon water. That's made a big difference and I don't miss the
Starting point is 00:11:00 full caffeine at all. That's great. I think that's wonderful. And then that is water too, by the way. Coffee does have, you know, it is water. So add your electrolytes. I am obsessed with Paleo Valley's. I'm just, in case somebody wants to, you know, where's that spice apple? It's just delicious and they have no fillers. It's just clean ingredients
Starting point is 00:11:21 and their watermelon's really good. Then another thing that I do is I'm a firm believer in bone broth. I Have a local farmer that it's delicious. I know it doesn't you're like, oh bone broth It is really good the one that they make and then Every afternoon I usually have it's also paleo valley, but they have it. Don't knock it to you. Try it It's a chocolate bone broth. I make it into a latte, use coconut milk, and then I put a dash of cinnamon
Starting point is 00:11:51 because you're getting that from within that tunnel. I always usually have with my meals a little something fermented, so I'll have like a sauerkraut, for example. That's really important for gut health too. So you want to make sure that you're doing your electrolytes, you're doing your sauerkraut, you're making sure that your gut health is in check. A good probiotic is very key to gut health, so make sure you're doing like a prebiotic
Starting point is 00:12:20 and a probiotic or a mix of the two. Okay. So again, lots of things. And while some of those things involve a price tag, right? We might need to purchase some of these things. I would imagine they're all significantly less expensive than the abundant amount of skincare products we all have. So let's talk a little bit about aging and wrinkles. I have what I feel like is this very contradictory relationship, which is I embrace aging. I feel better the older I get. I actually like some of my wrinkles.
Starting point is 00:12:55 For me, laugh lines show the joy that I've had in my life. And yet, I do succumb to the being worried about my skin sagging or wrinkles and things like that. So how do we navigate and find that balance for ourselves? And are there any things that we can or should be doing for our aging skin, which is what all of our skin is doing? I don't like when I have wrinkles. And I think also it's because I'm an esthetician and it's a part of my job too.
Starting point is 00:13:28 So to me, this sounds bad, but to me it's like, oh, I've not failed, but that's my job is to help other women who have those wrinkles. So I'm trying to figure out how to lessen those lines. And I battle with that because I also am really proud of my age. And yeah, it does show that I've smiled and I had joy in my life. So it's a constant battle with me.
Starting point is 00:13:54 So I try to say, I can't give you flawless skin, but I can give you your best skin. I can help you get your best skin and I can give you the tools in the toolbox that can help you maybe lessen if something's like super creased or it's really bothering you, I can help you. Let's lessen it. Let's give you that glow to make you feel confident, to make you feel radiant, to make you feel like you're less, you know. Because there's a line on my forehead that it's always there, but I'm living with it. It's a part of my age, but I have greatly lessened it.
Starting point is 00:14:25 And I'm proud of that. Like where I am today with my skin, I'm like, wow, I've really overcome all the rosacea issues and all of the issues that I've had with my skin. I used to have that acne. So I've overcome all that. Yeah, I don't see any wrinkles on your skin and we're the same age.
Starting point is 00:14:41 So how might we do that? So this is the needle part that I told you about. Remember I said I'm gonna come back to needle part? A lot of people, it's like 50-50 in my world. Some people will say, don't do this. Some people will do. I believe that you should do. So when I know a dermatologist and even on my show,
Starting point is 00:15:01 when they come on and plastic surgeons, they don't do it. I'm like, well, I actually think everybody should do this. And this is derma rolling. I have seen the best results out of anything. So it's just like a little device that has the needles on it and that you just roll on your skin. You roll on your skin. But derma rolling makes a difference.
Starting point is 00:15:21 All the issues at once, it can handle. So let's go over that. It can handle redness, breakouts, wrinkles, hyperpigmentation, collagen building, elasticity. I mean it's endless. It's so beautiful. Does it take time? Yes. I think the derma rolling should be in your routine like your weights and your workouts. Like they have to be there, you've got to keep on and don't stop doing it, don't stop using it. I think that you should start with,
Starting point is 00:15:53 like if you're going into the world of derma rolling, start with a 0.25 needle, especially if you have sensitive skin and work your way up. I'm at a 0.05 right now. They're easy to find. You can get them off Amazon. Make sure you get the right kind. There's not all kinds. And it's going to make the biggest difference. A great tip, my pro tip on how that this is my favorite tip that I love to see the best results personally derma-rolling. I think that you should use your growth factor serum
Starting point is 00:16:26 or your peptide serum or your hyaluronic acid, put that on your skin first, then do your derma-rolling. You need three passes for derma-rolling, horizontal, vertical, diagonal, and then put that serum on again. Because a derma-roller, Nicole, it is aerating your skin. Think about this, you're putting it in your skincare. What, when you derma-roll, you're basically putting holes in your skin, so about this. You're putting your skincare. When you derma roll,
Starting point is 00:16:45 you're basically putting holes in your skin. So you're really infusing that product the deepest. I mean, and you're creating a little bit of trauma to your skin. So you're forcing your skin to build up that collagen. It is a game changer. Miller Lite, the light beer brewed for people who love the taste of beer and the perfect pairing for your game time. When Miller Lite set out to brew a light beer, they had to choose great taste or 90 calories per can. They chose both because they knew the best part of beer is the beer. Your game time tastes like Miller Time. Learn more at MillerLite.ca. Must be legal drinking age.
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Starting point is 00:18:01 about it, but it's interesting. So knowing that there is a home solution, of course, nobody told me that, but. Okay, so let's talk a little bit about the routine. I know we're all different humans and we have different skin and what works for one person might not work for another, but are there general steps? Like everybody should do at least these four things or consider these things.
Starting point is 00:18:26 Like, I have my steps I go through. I'm not even sure they're all the best or the right ones, but they sort of seem like they work for me. So what are the things we should be considering? What are your steps? So I wash my face and then I put like a vitamin C serum on and then it's, Eminence is the product. It's a bamboo firming flute like thing. And then a moisturizer. Okay. So that's your AM routine. Yeah. First of all, I love Eminence and that bamboo has great, that's got apple stem cells in it. So that was good.
Starting point is 00:19:03 We're the same age. So the first thing I'm going to tell you, and I know this is going to maybe shock you a little bit, I would not wash your face in the morning. We're the age, unless you're breaking out. Now, if you're breaking out, that's a different story. If you have acne skin, you need those oils. You've cleansed your skin at night, right? You've gotten everything off. You haven't done anything. Now, I get it if you're having major hot flashes, you need a little spritz. Yeah, I've been sweating all night, but I don't most nights. I get that.
Starting point is 00:19:29 Yeah. Then even so, I would say, well, you could maybe use hypochlorous acid and spritz on your face. I would say that too. I would skip that and I would go straight to your Vitamin C serum, which is great because that's antioxidant. That's a it's gonna really make your your sunscreen work harder So I love vitamin C in the morning and it also helps with hyper pigmentation and for radicals and all that's a wonderful antioxidant
Starting point is 00:20:00 So put your vitamin C on and then you're putting on a moisturizer I really think that's great. And then you also have your stem cells with the Eminence serum that you use. That's excellent too. I love that, Breanne. It's organic. Every time a spa has it, when I go visit a spa, I'm like, ah, Eminence. Same.
Starting point is 00:20:19 It's so funny. And I've changed and used a lot of different products over the years, but my Eminence, the bamboo firming fluid I've used for 15 years at least without changing and I just love it. And I use their face wash and their vitamin C, but I test out other, I haven't found a moisturizer of theirs that I really like, so I'm all over the place with other things. Anyway. So your moisturizer, I've got one for you. And I think with our age, this one's such
Starting point is 00:20:51 a good one. It's OneSkin. OneSkin is founded by four female scientists and they have a peptide formula that is none other. And you can see all the before and afters. Gosh, I've used their company for a while. They now have a body one. They have a sunscreen too. Peptides are so just important for your skin to have just building blocks of protein for your skin. I would encourage you to have your moisturizer with those peptides or some product when we're older, we need peptides in our skin routine. I feel like you need some type of growth hormone too. We just have to stimulate. We're constantly against collagen and elasticity loss. And so we have to replenish that. We have to get things moving.
Starting point is 00:21:38 I think your routine is fine in the morning. I would just add in your lymphatic system there that we talked about in depth. And I would add in your lymphatic system there that we talked about in depth, and I would add in your facial massage in there. And I don't feel like you need a lot in the morning. I really don't. Your nighttime routine, your dermal rolling is also gonna do exfoliation for your skin and then add on some other type of exfoliant midweek.
Starting point is 00:22:00 I don't believe in a ton of exfoliation with your skin because I personally think that if you Exfoliate your skin too much you are stripping your barrier and then you're gonna have a host of problems that occur with that So keep your barrier strong. Keep it healthy And then you'll and you'll do good and just add those peptides in check out one skin or whatever You know skincare that speaks to you that has those peptides in, check out one skin or whatever, you know, skin care that speaks to you that has those peptides in it as well. When I lived in a different city, I would go get facials from a woman who I swear was
Starting point is 00:22:32 like in her 80s. And she had the best skin. I like I can't even begin to tell you could tell she had just taken care of it forever. And she told me two things. She said don't exfoliate very often, as you're saying. And she also said to wash my face with lukewarm water, never hot water. Never. Never.
Starting point is 00:22:54 Strips it. Strips the oils. Interesting. Okay. So you mentioned collagen. Is that better to take internally? Is it better to put on our face? Is it all of the above?
Starting point is 00:23:03 Like, how are we replenishing the collagen we're losing? All the above. Because think about it, if man, if I could just have one scoop of collagen, that's it. That's great. Sign me up. I don't care what you constantly have to find little ways to keep on adding it in. It's just like with your diet, we have to have a little healthy fat here, a little healthy fat there. Remember, it's like all through the day. Oh, I got to have a little avocado here, put some in here. It's all through the day. So we both need a mix of internal and external. So again, the derma rolling is going to help with that collagen loss as well as you're going to drink it and you can use a powder too if you want to do that and mix it in. I just I just think that it's a combination of that all through your week and your day. You may have already answered this but is
Starting point is 00:23:54 there any one skincare item that doesn't cost too much money that may be being overlooked by most of us that you'd recommend. If you want to see results really quick, and you may already have heard of this, but this is always my little secret to tell people that, hey, I can actually make that wrinkle disappear in four days. And then if that works, you'll come back and see me. It always works. The silicone beauty patches. Oh my gosh.
Starting point is 00:24:22 Have you heard of those? The silicone patches you put on your skin? No. Oh, yes. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I have. Have you tried them? No. Okay. Well, then I'll hand them over because once you try those, you're going to go, thank you so much because they're so easy. You just put them on clean skin, right? So use those. This is the secret though. Use those in a row nightly or for a few hours at a time. Don't give up on it. Do four days in a row. Get the desired look that you want because what it's doing is basically pulling your body's hyaluronic acid up and it's filling in that line. There is upkeep. It's not that
Starting point is 00:25:04 magic to where it's not there anymore. So I'm at maintenance mode to where I only need to do it once a week. You can sleep in them. CO patches, S-I-O. You can get those off Amazon too. Great patches. I've used them for years. They have wonderful, if you have neck lines, put them on your neck, face.
Starting point is 00:25:21 You don't need, that's the Botox secret. I'm going to cut you up. That's the Botox secret. Do it. You cut you up. That's the Botox secret. Do it. You don't have to get Botox. You can put a CO patch and do derma rolling in your peptides. You're good to go. And LED light. LED light. There are people who will and have chosen to do Botox or fillers or things like that. And my personal stance is you do you. We should all do what feels great and real and true for us and we are our own deciders. And this may sound very judgy or it may be very judgy. I see people sometimes where I'm like, oh friend, you're going too far. Like somebody who loves you
Starting point is 00:25:59 and who cares about you, knows you better than I do, needs to tell you, or your esthetician or whoever it is needs to stop, right? So my question is, how do we know if we're taking this too far? Whether it's with skincare in general or spending a bunch of money on products or Botox, how do we know when we're in a healthy place with this or where we've gone off the rails? I feel like a simple answer to that is if you're in your bathroom and you're like, I'm
Starting point is 00:26:33 so overwhelmed. I don't know what to do. Oh my gosh, there's so much here. I don't know which term does what, what day, whatever, then you got too much. It doesn't need to be that hard. You need to understand a few tools. You need to understand a few combinations, and then that really should be it. If you're really into skincare, really into beauty, of course, my cabinet looks a little fuller than most. Yes, of course. Yeah. Of course. But if you're really into like, add a fun mask or something, it doesn't have to be that complicated. So if you're overwhelmed and you're not using what you
Starting point is 00:27:12 currently have because you don't understand it, then you've gone, you were in Sephora that one day and you were like, woo, you went crazy. And then now you need just to back off, slow down, figure out what you need to use. It's going to get you the results that you're happy with and then you can feel good about having an easy, simple routine. I do help people do that for a living. My last question is around, both of us are approaching 50 and we've talked quite a bit about skincare for our age.
Starting point is 00:27:42 I often think if I could go back and do it differently, I would have taken my skincare much more seriously at an earlier age. Having said that, my 11-year-old daughter is like all of a sudden obsessed with skincare. I feel like this messaging is being out to everyone. But my question is, for those people who are listening who are not approaching 50 just yet, what are some things that you recommend for people with younger skin to sort of get ahead of things? I think it's the same thing.
Starting point is 00:28:13 I'm seeing a lot of my clients, they with younger skin and even it's funny, I'm now starting this is so unique. I'm having a lot of moms are like, Hey, can you help my daughter to like you were mentioning because what's happening and this is an interesting trend. Like Sephora is getting overloaded with like teenagers. They're the biggest purchasers now, but I think there's some education that needs to be out with those teenagers because they're buying their, you know, their influence with all this stuff. But then, you know, I'm more natural and organic. So I'm really wanting just education for less
Starting point is 00:28:47 look on the back of that packaging. So to your younger self, my thing would be I would love for you to educate yourself more on the ingredients and remove things like fragrances and phthalates because those are going to disrupt your hormones, which are so important. And if you're in your fertility years or whatever, you really need to be aware of all of that, that's going into your largest organ that you are absorbing.
Starting point is 00:29:14 So not necessarily am I gonna say, oh, you do the skin routine, but really know what you're putting onto your skin, know how important sun protection is. But also with that, this is very, you don't hear this a lot. Yes, know how important sun protection is, but also know how important vitamin D is and to get sun, to allow your skin to get sun and do certain things like have it. I have a UV app on my phone and I check the UV every time I go outside and I'm like, okay,
Starting point is 00:29:50 I can be out of the sun this, how many minutes and do I need some protection? So just education about things like that I think are key. Yeah. Lindsay, thank you. This has been so much fun and I learned a ton and I have a list of a couple products already. So thank you, thank you, thank you. This has been so much fun and I learned a ton and I have a list of a couple products already.
Starting point is 00:30:07 So thank you, thank you, thank you. I know people tuning in are going to want to learn more. So lindsayholder.com is the website. If you go to lindsayholder.com slash guide, you can also find her free daily skincare guide. And if you like more free stuff, she has that free skincare app, LaPree Beauty. So it'll give you a skincare tutorial and product review videos and all of that fun stuff. So Lindsay, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Starting point is 00:30:34 Thank you so much for having me on. This was a blast. It was my pleasure. All right. I will end with this. I hope that you take care of your skin, not for the primary purpose of looking younger, but because taking care of any part of you is always a worthy investment. And a loving reminder that confidence, the kind that actually lasts, is built from the inside out. Turns out skincare is too.
Starting point is 00:30:58 Not from a jar or not from a needle or not from a marketing campaign designed to make you feel like you're running out of time. It is something in your hands. So as you lather, layer, or roll your way or not from a marketing campaign designed to make you feel like you're running out of time is something in your hands. So as you lather, layer, or roll your way through your routine, I hope you feel the glow first. The one that comes from taking care of yourself, from treating your body with love and respect, from knowing that your worth isn't measured in fine lines or flawless skin. And then maybe you'll see that glow show up on your face too.
Starting point is 00:31:27 Because letting go of the obsession to look young and instead focusing on feeling fully alive, embracing every season of our lives with pride, joy, and an extra dose of rebellion, well, that sounds like woman's work to me.

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