This Is Woman's Work with Nicole Kalil - How To Cultivate Audacity with Anne Marie Anderson | 276

Episode Date: January 29, 2025

Have you been hesitating, overthinking, or waiting for permission to pursue the life you truly want? On this episode of This Is Woman’s Work, we’re diving into the art of living boldly and taking ...risks that ignite your passions. Our guest, Anne Marie Anderson, is the embodiment of audacity. She’s a three-time Emmy Award-winning broadcaster, author of Cultivating Audacity, and keynote speaker who built her remarkable career by embracing bold risks and breaking barriers. Fresh out of college, Anne Marie stepped into ESPN’s offices and forged her path to becoming one of the most experienced female play-by-play announcers in the country. Along the way, she covered some of the world’s top athletes, coaches, and executives, learning how boldness creates opportunity and success. In this episode, Anne Marie shares her proven system for confronting fear, overcoming hesitation, and stepping into your power. Whether it’s a career move, creative project, or personal goal, this conversation will inspire you to take up space, claim what’s yours, and live boldly. As Anne Marie reminds us: "The only people who never upset anyone are the ones who never do anything at all." Connect with Anne:  Website: https://annemarieanderson.com/  Book: https://www.amazon.com.au/Cultivating-Audacity-Dismantle-Doubt-Risks/dp/1646871693 IG: https://www.instagram.com/annemarieandersontv/ LI: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anne-marie-anderson-3557ab39/ Related Podcast Episodes: 7 Keys To Unlock Your Dynamic Drive with Molly Fletcher | 229 How To Defy Expectations with Dr. Sunita Sah | 271 093 / The Audacity To Be Queen with Gina DeVee Share the Love: If you found this episode insightful, please share it with a friend, tag us on social media, and leave a review on your favorite podcast platform! 🔗 Subscribe & Review: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Amazon Music

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I am Nicole Kalil, and on this episode of This Is Woman's Work, we're diving headfirst into a topic that I think is both very exciting and slightly confusing. And the topic is audacity, more specifically, how you can cultivate your own. It's a word that we all know, but might not know exactly how to define. We hear it when somebody takes a bold risk or puts themselves out there or goes after what they want. And we also have heard or possibly said ourselves
Starting point is 00:00:38 something like, can you believe the audacity when someone crosses the line into rude, arrogant, or obnoxious. So which is it? Is audacity a strength to cultivate or something to be wary of? In preparing for this episode, I did what I always do with powerful words that I love and hate to see misused and misinterpreted. I looked it up. The definition of audacity is a willingness to take bold risks and also rude or arrogant
Starting point is 00:01:06 behavior. The etymology of the word is equally interesting. It includes courage, daring, and vigor, but also a shamelessness that is unrestrained by propriety. And I got to tell you, I kind of love it. I love that it's both because so much of life is about claiming our power without over-rotating to the dark side and about leveraging our strengths without allowing those strengths
Starting point is 00:01:30 to turn into our weaknesses. And I'd argue that cultivating audacity might mean finding that sweet spot of bold courage and confidence without taking it so far into disrespectful shamelessness. The answer, as with most things, lies in the balance and in the authentic. Because here's the truth.
Starting point is 00:01:49 What feels bold and courageous to one person can look rude and shocking to another. And if you're going to take bold, audacious action in your life, you better get comfortable with making some other people uncomfortable along the way, right? So if you've been holding back, hesitating, or second-guessing yourself, if you've been waiting for permission to take the risks that light you up, this episode is for you.
Starting point is 00:02:13 Because I'm all in for you living boldly and giving people something worth talking about. And our guest today knows how to do just that. Anne-Marie Anderson is a three-time Emmy Award-winning broadcaster, keynote speaker, and author who built an incredible career by taking bold, audacious risks. Fresh out of college, she walked through ESPN's doors and went on to cover high-performing coaches, athletes, and executives, learning firsthand how bold action leads to big results. Anne Marie has applied those lessons in her own life, becoming one of the most experienced female play-by-play announcers in the country. Her
Starting point is 00:02:50 system for confronting hesitation and breaking barriers has helped her and now others build the life they want. And she is also the author of the book, Cultivating Audacity. Anne-Marie, welcome to the show. And I want to start by asking you to weigh in on the definitionating Audacity. Anne-Marie, welcome to the show. And I wanna start by asking you to weigh in on the definition of audacity. Is it a good thing? Can it have negative connotations? Is it about balance and authenticity? What do you think?
Starting point is 00:03:16 Oh, Nicole, I love that introduction because it encompasses all of it. It's not a straight line, right? It's a lot of gray. I thought that audacity was something to avoid. My parents used to say to me when I was a teenager, you have the audacity to speak to me that way or the audacity to ask me. I thought I needed to avoid it. And then once I dug into it, the willingness to take bold risks. Well, that's the definition
Starting point is 00:03:42 I ended up choosing because you mentioned there's two different ways to do it. I chose the willingness to take bold risks because I think a lot of times, especially in women in business, we take that, oh, be a good girl from when we're little into business and it doesn't work. It doesn't work. You need to shed it. Yeah. And it has us living small, right? Because ultimately what I think happens, and again, I'm open to push back on this, what I think often happens for us, especially as women, is we get so worried about other people seeing what we do as the bad version of audacity, that we end up not doing the good version. Thoughts? Oh, yes.
Starting point is 00:04:24 I mean, my father, who was my greatest cheerleader, he's passed now. He said to me once when I was 11, Emory, you're getting cocky. And I was mortified. This poor man who had said nothing but encouraging things my entire life, and I hang on to one thing that he said when I was 11.
Starting point is 00:04:39 As I was writing the book, Nicole, I decided to look up cocky, the word cocky. Because really, I was like, oh cocky, the word cocky, because really I was like, oh, don't be too cocky. And it said, so sure of one's abilities that it annoys other people. And I thought, well, wait a second, am I sure of my abilities after 30 plus years in television? Yeah, I'm sure of my abilities that it annoys other people. Well, as my teenager would say, that's OPP, other people's problems. And that's a great perspective shift.
Starting point is 00:05:07 And audacity and cocky often get labeled together. Yeah, and other people's problems, and we have no control over it anyway. It doesn't matter what we do, we're bound to annoy some people. And so it isn't part of audacity, taking bold risks based on what's meant for you, what lights you up, what you believe to be your purpose, what you're most excited about. It can't be wrapped up in
Starting point is 00:05:31 what everybody else thinks or else it loses the audacity, right? Right. I was going to say, then it's not audacious. I mean, part of being audacious isn't just like swinging for the fences just because, just living, taking bold risks just because, because there's risks that are reckless for sure. And then there are some that are worth it. The big thing that I tell people with audacity is that it isn't about anybody else. It is about learning your path because you'll make some steps that don't work out. We talk about failures and fears that people like to avoid all the time.
Starting point is 00:06:05 But once you get really audacious and practice it, that's just data. Every single failure, every fear that you have, that's just information that's gonna push you closer to your values and vision and who you really want to be in this world. 100%, yeah. And getting all of your ducks in a row
Starting point is 00:06:23 and dotting all the I's and crossing all the t's and not having Your foolproof plan and all of that first. It's impossible and second not very audacious Right part of this is the risk. It's the unknown. It's the As you said learning as you go collecting evidence and data So you learn a little bit more about what not to do so that you can get closer to What to do? Yeah, you know, I always talk about foam up right people have fear of missing out. I don't have that I'm Joe No, I I'm missing once in a while right when you get to this age. You're like, yeah, sorry can't go to that party
Starting point is 00:06:58 I'm gonna lay on the floor of my dog. But what I do have a fear of is staying the same Because when you stay the same, the only possible outcome is no growth. You're not going to grow if you stay the same. So it took a while. I think in writing this book, a lot of people said to me, well, you're lucky. You're so bold. I'm not like that.
Starting point is 00:07:18 Well, I wasn't. It was really a practice to do that. It took getting comfortable with the fact that not everything is gonna work out, but as long as I'm not staying the same, there's always that potential for growth. And Marie, you make a good point and tee me up perfectly for the question I was gonna ask,
Starting point is 00:07:37 which is this belief that I think many of us have or hold onto that you're either born bold or you're born willing to take risks or extroverted or whatever it is. And you say that audacity is something that we can each cultivate. So how do we do that? Regardless of what our starting point is right now on our boldness or willingness to take risk, how do we begin to cultivate audacity in our lives?
Starting point is 00:08:05 I'm so glad you asked because it's the word cultivate that's key, right? It's about growing it. So here's, there's three components to audacity. There's the mindset of audacity and the mindset really, Nicole, is honestly just optimism, right? The belief that things are gonna work out.
Starting point is 00:08:21 Not that they're gonna work out the way that you think you want them to be, but that you're gonna survive whatever that outcome is. It's pure optimism. If you think about playing sports and you're down by 12 at the half, why do you come out and play the second half? Because you think, well, maybe we might be able to win.
Starting point is 00:08:36 So that's just mindset. Second thing is the behavior, the action, an audacious behavior. Because you can sit on your mother's couch being audacious all day long, being optimistic, and nothing's going to happen. Not a damn thing is going to change in your life. So until you take an action, and it can be any action, that's how you start to cultivate. And I tell people just start as small as you need to. The word no. And it can be if you're a mom and they call you and say, Hey, can you help us with the yearbook?
Starting point is 00:09:06 No. If you don't, if that doesn't fit into your plan is enough, just taking some form of action. So you marry that optimism with action. When that becomes a habit and consistent, that's when you build your identity. So there's audacious mindset, audacious behavior and audacious identity. And you'll know when you hit that identity, when people go from, what is Nicole doing? To that's Nicole, she swings the forward defenses. And that takes practice. I mean, the way we get good at anything is practice, right? And yet I think a lot of times
Starting point is 00:09:42 we struggle with the how to practice. So I love this three part sort of system, if you will. And I love especially the mindset part, optimism. I would add the word confidence because it's a word I love, but I have confidence as firm and bold trust in self. And so I think there is this element of confidence or optimism, this idea that I'm going to be okay no matter what. Yes, exactly. Succeed or I'll grow, I'll win or I'll learn, I'll come out the other side somehow better.
Starting point is 00:10:16 It's this, I don't know, faith often pops up, but I love the mindset piece, the optimism, the confidence that, God, I don't know what's going to happen. And I love that you said that the optimism, the confidence, that, God, I don't know what's gonna happen. And I love that you said that it might not turn out, it probably won't exactly the way you want, but that it might turn out better or that you might learn something or what have you. Such an incredible life lesson
Starting point is 00:10:36 that I think we can continue to learn over and over again. So- Nicole, let me ask one thing right there. And it also might turn out to be everything that you fear. Okay. And yet you survived that. That's really important too. If you're afraid, I think fear just closes us down
Starting point is 00:10:54 and rejection and failure, embarrassment, judgment, whatever it is. Part of that confidence or that optimism is knowing you can survive that too. Right. Now you've been surrounded by elite achievers for decades. You are one yourself. What do you think we can learn from them
Starting point is 00:11:16 about cultivating audacity? I think that there are always barriers in our way, right? And all the people I've interviewed, the people I've observed over the last three plus decades, it always comes down to one of four things, fear, time, money, or you're in a critic. Why people don't live audaciously, why they don't take the risk.
Starting point is 00:11:38 And some people would love to say, just go for it, don't be afraid. Well, you can't stop somebody from being afraid. And so I don't in the book, I go very specifically into each barrier. And not at one point do I say, well, don't feel that don't do that. Don't allow that I really want you to let the fear in and explore it and swim around in it maybe catastrophize what's the worst possible thing that could happen. You know, all the way to the point where you die gestatuting alone, you know, I think that's probably not going to happen, but you're probably also not gonna win the Pulitzer Prize
Starting point is 00:12:12 in your first attempt either. And I think once people start to get comfortable in, yeah, this fear or this barrier is part of me, how can I manage it? How can I, I've got so much going on, I don't possibly have time, how can I manage my time better without losing all my sleep in order to make things happen?
Starting point is 00:12:34 I think there's a curiosity amongst the elite performers that I have seen throughout my life that has been kind of the unifying trait of all of them. They're curious about what they're feeling and experiencing and attempting to be thwarted by. Yeah. I don't know why this popped into my head while you were talking,
Starting point is 00:12:56 but it's sort of this concept of like, you can have your barriers or your barriers can have you. And with these sort of elite achievers, it's not that they don't have barriers they have just as many maybe more right. But that day as you said are curious almost like observing those barriers as opposed to having those barriers own and control them. own and control them. That's a hundred percent it. When I feel fear and I still do, right? I have a keynote speaker, all kinds of things going on. I actually now think about what I'm exactly am I afraid of?
Starting point is 00:13:35 What am I afraid of? Could that happen? My first time on television was in 78 million homes. My very first time. That was not the plan, Nicole. I was supposed to be like on a little regional network, a few different things happened, and my first one was there, and I was nearly paralyzed.
Starting point is 00:13:54 And my husband at the time said, what's the worst that can happen? I hate that question. People always like to ask that question. I'm like, oh, let me tell you, it can be really bad. Everybody's dying. Yeah, exactly. I died destitute and alone basically at the end of it.
Starting point is 00:14:07 But I thought, okay, I could be embarrassed. I could be judged. I could be bad on TV. I could lose my producing job. I was embarrassed. I was bad. I was judged. I survived.
Starting point is 00:14:18 And I always tell people the second time on television, the only thing that was better that it wasn't the first time. But I did it again. But I did it again, and I did it again, and that was bad the 15th time and on and on. But to your point, each time, I got a little bit of data of how to do things a little bit better and far more confident that I could survive other people's judgment or my own embarrassment. That was really the key for me. embarrassment. That was really the key for me.
Starting point is 00:14:48 I like this. What's the worst that can happen? I often then force myself to answer the question, what's the best that could happen just to provide some opposite perspective. What I've experienced is 99% of the time, what actually happens is somewhere in the middle. As you said, you don't die and you don't win the Pulitzer first time out. There's usually somewhere in the middle. Okay, so my next question, and I have some thoughts on this, but why do you believe that we need to cultivate audacity? Why is it important?
Starting point is 00:15:16 Because I think there's a certain innovation in our own lives. We talk about innovation and business and free thinking and stuff. But I think in our own lives in order for us to be successful and engaged and happy and my definition of success has nothing to do with money, business, status. It's about waking up every day to a life you're excited about. You need to be moving in a direction. And there's, you know, forward or there's backwards. So I think for us to be audacious, to live and in challenge,
Starting point is 00:15:48 it gives us in the morning something of just that little extra spark, whether it is fear, whether it is joy. But for me, audacity is the human experience. You're living, you're feeling, you're not just going through some blinded motions. And it almost is the propeller of purpose, right? Like if you think about this concept that I firmly believe that we are all here for, no none of us are here by accident,
Starting point is 00:16:16 we're all inherently worthy and valuable, and we all have purpose or many, many purposes. But I don't know how any of us step into those purposes or live that purpose without cultivating audacity. I don't see how that could even be possible. Do you know anybody who's done something huge and big and lived into their purpose that didn't first have to cultivate some sort of audacity?
Starting point is 00:16:42 No, absolutely not. But I do know a lot of people who are afraid to challenge, explore their purpose because of the fear that things won't turn out the way that they want. You know what? Here's a plot twist. They're never going to turn out the way you want. They're going to turn out differently, better perhaps, more amazing or on a different path. You can't see exactly the outcome
Starting point is 00:17:10 because it could be bigger and more outstanding than you could dream of. But nobody gets, as you say, into their purpose or into a joyful life they're excited about without pushing some boundaries. Yeah, and without other people having opinions about it, which I want to get to in a second. But before I do, you gave us four sort of common barriers,
Starting point is 00:17:32 fear, time, money, and your inner critic. How do we uncover what is holding us back? I would venture a guess. Some of us think it's one thing, but it might actually be something else. So how might we uncover or discover what actually is getting in our way? Yeah, and I go into this in the book quite a bit,
Starting point is 00:17:55 because here's the deal. You have to think about a funnel of, or at least the way I do it, I should say, you can do it any way you want, but what's worked for me is to have a funnel of what my life, what I want it to look like. A lot of people use the term icky guy for it, right? What are you good at? What is the world need? What can you be paid to do and such? I think that important for all of us is to look at what it is we want pay attention to what sticks in your gut. If there is a will I will win I will win what when I have more time we all know that's a farce that's why I talk about
Starting point is 00:18:33 something called the urgency fallacy where we reprioritize really what's important over urgent because we can all do urgent all day and day really. I mean, everything's urgent, but until you put some of that aside, or is it I will do that when I have more money? Well, you never really get enough money. As far as I know, and I have some really wealthy friends and I have some friends that are paycheck to paycheck. Nobody ever says, you know what? I have so much money.
Starting point is 00:18:57 I don't know what to do with it. I think I will, you know, now go for it. So it is about seeing which one makes you the most queasy. Are you hearing yourself saying you're not ready, you're not qualified, they have more qualifications than you, then your inner critic is a real issue. And I think as women especially and women in business we talk about glass ceilings and shattering glass ceilings. But the real issue for me, Nicole, is the sticky floor. So many of us are stuck to the floor
Starting point is 00:19:27 waiting for the right moment, when. When, I'm not afraid, when I have more time, more money and such. So it's about not waiting anymore for when. And as you don't wait, believe me, those barriers will make themselves apparent to you. Yeah. Okay, so let's say we choose make themselves apparent to you. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:45 Okay, so let's say we choose to unstick ourselves from that sticky floor and we begin to cultivate audacity in the steps you've laid out. It's probably a matter of seconds before somebody comes along and has an opinion about it. Any advice or thoughts or tips about how to hold on to our audacity in the face of everybody else's thoughts, opinions, comments and feedback? I'm a big believer in curating what I call a front row. Your front row are those people who are going to push you, lift you up, hold you accountable, check in with you, cheer you on without fear of jealousy or competition. Now I'm going to tell you a secret, Nicole. The people in your front row are probably not your mom
Starting point is 00:20:36 and probably not your best friend because they want you to stay safe, right? The people in your front row, they don't want you to stay safe. They have no vested interest in your outcome. It is all for you and they're here to cheer you on. Anybody that is not in your front row does not get a vote. So we're more on social media and somebody is saying something to you. They do not get a vote because they don't
Starting point is 00:21:06 know you and you did not select them to be in your front row. I have a very carefully curated front row for all different parts of my life. I have a fitness front row where if I don't show up I get the call where are you what's going on. I have a professional front row a a TV front row, a relationship front row. I mean, certainly when I got divorced, I had a group of friends who were like,
Starting point is 00:21:29 how are you? Here's the thing. Have you done this yet? Have you done that? So I think creating a front row, carefully curating it and plucking out the ones
Starting point is 00:21:39 that get in there that really shouldn't be in there. That's an important part of living audaciously. I love that so much. I have talked about having different types of friends, and one of those friends I call front row friends, these are the people who want the best for you,
Starting point is 00:21:54 who cheer you on, who celebrate you, who challenge you and all that. What I haven't heard that I love as an added element is it's unlikely to be Your mom especially parents man. They just want us to stay safe They want us to take risks, but not too many right not too old So as and I love the point that we are curating and selecting these people and that we can unselect People that's right if they don't prove themselves to be front row worthy.
Starting point is 00:22:27 Right, and that doesn't mean they're bad people by the way. No, no of course. Their own fears may be seeping into your journey and that's why they may have to be removed from the front row because they're so afraid of risk or whatever it is you're trying to do that they start trying to talk you away from it. That's all. Yeah. Or they just might need to be slotted into another type of friend, right? Like,
Starting point is 00:22:51 so I talk about hide the body friends. They're the people who show up when you've done the worst thing and help you problem solve, right? There's your blanket fort friends, the people you are always safe with and comfortable and there's always snacks, right? Like we all have these people you are always safe with and comfortable, and there's always snacks, right? Like we all have these different types. So what I'm hearing you say is they might not be a front row person for now, for a variety of different reasons.
Starting point is 00:23:13 That does not make them bad people, bad friends, or that they don't care about you. So give us some sense of what are the factors you think through when you decide who gets to be in your front row? So I love that you asked that question because one of the things and I was just talking about two of my front row friends The other day I was talking about this with them One we always talk about great friends as the ones that you go to when things are really bad Like who are the ones that are gonna be on top of you, but there's another
Starting point is 00:23:42 Level of friendship and those are the ones you call when things are great. When something really great happened. And if you were to tell the world it would be bragging. But you call those friends and you tell them because you know without jealousy and stuff they are cheering you on. So that's one thing I've added in the last year and a half as an element in my front row.
Starting point is 00:24:02 Who are the ones that I can tell the greatest stuff and they're not going gonna be eye roll, oh my gosh, she's bragging, but they're gonna be like, yeah, hell yeah, you worked for that. So that's one thing I look for. Do they have their own thing, their own gift? Are you able to support them in their front row?
Starting point is 00:24:19 Having somebody who's all about you, that isn't a relationship, that's really one-sided. So my front row friends are a bunch of bad-ass women and men who are striving to their own audacious goals, who are exploring their life with vigor and curiosity. That's something that's really important for me because I don't want it to be just about me. I want it to be about them in their journey,
Starting point is 00:24:46 which can be completely different from mine. And I think that's an important thing. I want people that are just as fearful and hopeful and optimistic and grinding as I am in whatever field they're in so that I can support them and I'm inspired by their work. An excellent point. Again, not one I've thought of, but if you just take a step back, it's hard to imagine somebody respecting and appreciating audacity in you if they're not cultivating it themselves, for themselves. And so that makes sense to my brain. It doesn't have to be that they're cultivating the same
Starting point is 00:25:32 or similar things, but they've got to have their thing. Yes, whatever it is. In order to understand, appreciate, celebrate it in you. Right. Absolutely. And I always say it's really important because people tend to think, well, it's got to be this big audacious goal. Sometimes what you want for cultivating audacity is to get out of something. Maybe it's a relationship that isn't serving you.
Starting point is 00:25:52 Maybe you're living somewhere that you don't enjoy. Maybe you want to spend more time with your children in a certain way. Maybe you want to spend, and I'm not even being funny, although it comes out that way, less time with your children and start working on some goals that are important to you
Starting point is 00:26:08 and aren't always about somebody else. So it can be anything. So whatever their goal is, it doesn't have to be some big business goal or some big flashy goal. Whatever it is, they've got something they're trying to create and I want to be right in their front row
Starting point is 00:26:22 to help them create it, to tell them the truth also when they're not doing something that they said was important to them. Yeah, there's something about the person who's willing to almost risking their relationship to sort of call you out or to challenge you on something that you've articulated mattered or was important or that you really wanted to do, that's, to me, next level love and care and friendship. Okay, Amory, you said this earlier on. I want to circle back.
Starting point is 00:26:54 Let's say somebody's thinking about something, something they want to do, something they want to walk toward or walk away from, and that requires audacity. And we know it's going to require optimistic mindset, action, behavior changes, and it'll ultimately become part of... Consistency. Consistency, ultimately becoming part of your identity.
Starting point is 00:27:15 But you also said fear doesn't go away. So, for the person who practices and goes through and does, like you said, the smallest step or the next step or whatever, and fear keeps popping up. Any words of wisdom or advice for that? Yeah, let it. Don't push it away. I acknowledge it.
Starting point is 00:27:36 This is scary stuff that I'm doing. And that's literally, Nicole, it. You don't need to have some way to tie it up and box it away. I'm really afraid and I'm doing this. Yeah. How about that? This is scary and I'm gonna do it and be scared while I do it. Period. I think we just want some kind of answer for it. Like you know is there an elixir that we can take to make this not feel so fearful? Once you get comfortable with it and I call it, I call it like recalibrating your
Starting point is 00:28:05 relationship with rejection or making friends with fear. I swear this sounds so crazy because believe it or not I am an introvert. Like when I'm not working I just want to sleep and be quiet by myself but I've gotten to the point now where fear comes in and I'm like hey there come on in like you don't get to make any decisions. Like for my inner critic, I know you're gonna be with me the whole time. You're gonna be in the passenger seat. I get it, but you don't get to drive. I'll be making those decisions.
Starting point is 00:28:33 I acknowledge you're gonna come along for the ride. I feel like that's similar to something I read many years ago because that analogy has stuck with me. This idea that yes, fear, worry, doubt, all those are in the passenger seats. They're along for the ride and resisting them doesn't help. They're there, but not letting them get in the driver's seat is the distinction. I also am curious your thoughts on this is one of the things I do when fear kicks up, because it always does, no matter how much I've practiced or faced it, is I remind myself of things that I was afraid of a year
Starting point is 00:29:09 ago or five years ago. Because sometimes doing that reminds me that while fear hasn't gone anywhere, and it is part of the journey, that I'm getting better at it or that I've evolved into something bigger, like what I'm afraid of is bigger or more important than what I was afraid of five years ago as an example. Thoughts on that? Practice, right? I mean, again, celebrating all those moments, I think that's something that is really important to us because a lot of times we want to celebrate the outcome.
Starting point is 00:29:42 Like when this happens, we are going to celebrate. But along the way, there's plenty to celebrate. And part of it is, hey, you know what? I'm not as afraid of this as I was back then. That's a celebration. Or I didn't even think about it this time when I got that rejection. I mean, rejections used to hurt me
Starting point is 00:30:03 and I'm in television for Pete's sake. So I mean, there's a lot of rejections along the way. And now it isn't at all, it is next. You know, when I hear no, I either hear not yet or next. It's never like slam the door on your career. I mean, can you imagine in 35 years, if the first no shut me down, I would have no career nor this constant drive
Starting point is 00:30:28 to challenge myself that I have. Right. Anne-Marie, this has been a phenomenal and fascinating conversation. And I know that people listening are gonna wanna learn more. So I wanna remind them that the book is called Cultivating Audacity.
Starting point is 00:30:41 It's available on Amazon or any bookstore. Let's keep local bookstores in business. And Anne-Marie's website is annemarieanderson.com. We'll put that and all other links in show notes so you can find and follow Anne-Marie. Thank you so much for an incredible conversation. Thank you so much. I had fun.
Starting point is 00:31:00 And whatever your listeners want to do, just take that first step, just the first. You heard it here first, friend, and here's the thing about audacity. It's not being loud for the sake of being loud. It's not about stepping on toes just because you can. Audacity is about courage. It's about daring to take the action
Starting point is 00:31:17 that feels bold to you, even if others don't get it. It's about choosing to be brave enough to live life on your terms, to pursue the things that matter, and to take the risks that align with who you are and where you wanna go. And sure, people might raise an eyebrow or say things behind your back. They might misunderstand you.
Starting point is 00:31:35 They might even call you arrogant or shameless. But let me remind you of this. First, you shouldn't take constructive criticism from people who have never constructed anything. And the people who make a real impact, who change their own lives and the world around them are always the ones who had the audacity to take the bold risks anyway. So whatever the thing is for you, the thing that you've been holding back on, hesitating about or overthinking, I hope you decide to go for it.
Starting point is 00:32:03 I hope you take up space, speak up, stand tall, and claim what's yours, because at the end of the day, the only people who never upset anyone are the people who never did anything at all. And you. You are made to create, to lead, to risk, and to live fully, boldly, audaciously. Because that is woman's work.

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