This Paranormal Life - #001 Legend Of The Axe Wielding GoatMan

Episode Date: May 17, 2017

The Goatman has haunted the people of Maryland for generations. Half-man, half-goat, and.... an axe? Severed dog heads and romping teenagers are just the beginning. Rory and Kit get to the bottom of this paranormal case. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Does the banshee exist and does it scream in your face when someone's about to die? Did the Nazis study occult magic? These are just some of the questions that we will attempt to answer on This Paranormal Life. I'm your host for today, Roy Powers, joined by my professional buddy, Kit Greer. How are you doing today, Kit? I'm doing great, Roy. Have you had a mystical week? Have you had a paranormal week? It's been insane. Actually, the other night I watched an Iranian horror movie.

What, really? Yeah. This is one of the big films of last year. Jesus. And it was all about paranormal hauntings in Iran. The jinn, I think, is like the local legend. So we'll have to hopefully cover that in a future episode yeah terrifying well i hope it didn't cover the legend of the maryland goat man the motherfucking goat man oh he's killing me he's getting how did you get in here this is in maryland so if you haven't listened to this podcast before and presumably you haven't uh what we do is we take i guess like a paranormal instance case study of someone who has had a paranormal experience with either aliens bigfoot

sasquatches lizard men any crazy thing and we'll examine it as professional paranormal investigators and decide whether it's legit or not i hope you prepared yourself for a bone-chilling tale about the legend of the Marilyn Goatman. I know zero. I'm going to bet. Okay. He's not real. Does he do what he says in the tin? Is this, are we talking 50-50?

Is this half goat, half man? Look, some of the encounters are so different in description that it's hard to tell what exactly this creature is. And also I find one of the weirdest things about this is, yes, he is half goat and half man, and he's some sort of beast monster. But also he just carries an axe. Everywhere he goes, any encounter,

he's always carrying an axe as well. So he doesn't have hooves. We've established that much. Oh, no, he has hooves. Oh, he has at least two hooves. That's not his primary weapon. It's like if Bigfoot existed, but also like had a machine gun. He's a monster, but also he's wielding.

Jesus. So to start us off, we have to go back to Maryland, 1971. Okay, let's do it. Jim Gilbert is a 21-year- old university student who's rooming with the Orman family for the summer. You know, university is expensive. Yeah, of course. You can stay with a family, makes it cheaper. It was husband, wife. It's very believable so far. Yeah, don't hold on to that. And young daughter Natalie, who was a sweet, friendly kid. And now more than anything in the world, Natalie loved her dog Ginger. Adorable little dog. It was a sweet, friendly kid. And now, more than anything in the world, Natalie loved her dog, Ginger.

Adorable little dog. It was a golden retriever. They were inseparable. One night, when Jim's walking through the woods with his girlfriend, having a romantic late-night stroll, they stopped and saw what appeared to be a tall figure, much like a man,

running across one of the fields in front of them. So, nothing out of the ordinary? Nothing out of the ordinary so far. The figure was tall and moved very oddly, as if he possessed the legs of a goat? Said no one ever. No one has ever said that. You're like, yeah, nothing weird. Nothing weird so far.

I just like to imagine, like, like to imagine this couple strolling along. They're just totally infatuated. And then one's saying, that guy's walking. And then one goes, I look like a goat. Oh, my God, yes. I was just thinking the goat thing. Yeah, yeah. Holy shit.

Well, Jim's quote, which I actually heard him say from his face, which I don't personally believe to be politically correct anymore is that he moved like a mental patient oh i think that's on the iffy this was 1971 so we'll excuse jim from that because i don't think that's a universal walk yeah yeah now as the creature reached the end of the field he must have heard heard Jim and his girlfriend because he stopped dead in his tracks, pausing right there at the side of the forest. At that moment, the creature let out a horrific cry that

to this date, Jim cannot describe as it wasn't something from a human or an animal. Not even a goat? Well, I don't know actually. Come on! You set me up here. I was like, Jim, are you sure I actually didn't hear a goat? No, you're right.

Now that you say it, it was a bar-like goat noise. Yeah. Which is funny because isn't it goats that shout like a man? Or the devil. No. What were you going to say? Sorry. What?

They had goats whenever they, like you can look it up on YouTube, whenever they yell, they're like. Yeah. He was like a meme the screaming goats yeah for a while maybe he just hasn't well this is 1971 so it was pre-memes yeah pre-memes pre-goats this guy never seen a goat before anyway well the next day jim bumps into natalie the daughter of the family that he's that he's staying with over the summer and she's crying she's in tears because she's lost ginger her little um golden retriever

so being the kind-hearted 21 year old the gym is he says that he'll help her look for it now at this point it's getting pretty late in the evening it's dark it's dark in the woods dog's dead i'm sorry ginger is gone move on i would love, where it's like, he goes off to his girlfriend. It's like, so where are we going to? The dog's dead, sweetheart. He's dead. There's no point. We've got to move past this.

I know, it's like. You don't remember what we saw last night? What we heard? I like the idea as well. It's like, of course I'll help you. Actually, it's 6 p.m. Yeah, pretty dark. You know what?

Let's say we turn in. It's like, I can hear the dog. No, dead he's gone those are just memories of him slipping away right i'm out here as jim and his girlfriend uh passed the old railroad tracks nothing's gonna be good near the old railroad tracks. It's like passing the old Spencer Mansion. Like, just don't do it. It's a terrible idea. They notice something up ahead on the floor. Just lying there, motionless.

Whoa. It looks like a small creature. As Jim approached it, chills went down his spine. He knew they were in trouble. They didn't find Ginger. They found her severed head shut up yeah severed head it had been cut clean off of her body oh my god now this is a testament this is directly from jim was she dead jim says uh what was worse was that we couldn't find the rest of

her we looked for it there wasn't even a blood trail a lot of people said a dog or coyote did it but they would have left a big mess ginger's head was severed by something very sharp like an axe now as i said earlier i don't know how much you know about the legend of the goat man but one of the weirdest things about him is that he carries an axe okay okay which is like that's what a man would do if he wanted to hurt people. Yeah. Like, if you're already the strength of a beast, you don't need an axe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's not good.

If you're gonna, yeah, if we're talking about mythical beasts, like, yeah, I mean, they're gonna be super strong. Imagine, like, Nessie had a knife or something. Like, why? That doesn't make any sense. I don't know. Did you know he carries around an AK-47? An AK-47. So good.

Like the moment you harpoon him, he just starts spraying bullets into the air. I know. All right. Well, at this point, Jim's starting to panic. He's freaking out because he doesn't know what to make of this. But before he has any time to even process what has happened, he hears a shuffling noise in front of him on the tree line. It was dark.

It was just light enough for Jim to make out that it was a man. A man who to this day, Jim swears, was wielding an axe. So what do you think? Is this possibly just a man with an axe i would say it's definitely what it how could it be anything else well this is what he's wondering could this be the figure that killed ginger is this the same ones they saw yesterday running through the field oh my god all of a sudden jim hears the same blood curdling cry that he heard the night before without a second thought jim and his girlfriend flee the scene was that a man imitating a goat with an axe or was that in fact a half goat half

man holding an axe mental patient mental patient with an axe so blood blood curdling scream yeah i i was watching this documentary on it which had this testimony like documentary is a strong term that implies something actually happened the the the the noise the cry that they tried to imitate which i hopefully was jim giving them kind of an idea of what it sounded like it was like uh like maybe not as high pitch as that maybe a bit lower I was trying to get the goat kind of one more time please I could never make that noise again okay so just you'll just have to because that was a little bit pigeon it was like i was trying to do that you're like the something along those lines now i wish i could say the ginger was the first and last victim

but unfortunately she's only the start of an outbreak of disappearing family pets that went on to fan the flame that is the legend of the goat man whoa so she was just the start all of a sudden more pets start disappearing timeline this was when that was 1971 1971 1971 wow but that was not the first encounter of the goat man whoa so what you're saying is, so Jim came at this situation with already the knowledge that some sort of goat-like man exists in Maryland. Because it's folklore, it's legend. I see that it exists. What I'm going to do now is take you back to the origins of the goat man.

And let's find out why people think this creature could exist okay all right all right so the legend of the goat of a goat-like man has circulated in maryland since the early 1900s that's how far we're going back there's been hundreds of sightings dozens of unexplained missing pets and missing family members all around the same area, blamed on a creature they believe to be the Goatman. An example of one of the earliest cases will take us back to the 1930s, where according to the research of Bill Livingston, a professional Goatman researcher, there was a family... You honor, as a professional paranormal investigator,

you honor as a professional paranormal investigator you should honor the dedication that Bill Livingston has dedicated to a lifelong search for the goat man

respect just like we have dedicated countless years of our lives I mean you can almost say that we're so deep in it

we can't get out anymore we're like ghosts ourselves we're paranormals our family members don't see us anymore we don't talk to the outside we're like ghosts ourselves we're paranormals our family members don't see us anymore uh we don't talk we're disappearing members of society hell i have an axe in my hand right now who am i to judge are you a gopro what's the point he's got hooves he's got hooves

well the night the 1930s story takes us back uh to a family that lived in the rural area of Maryland, and they're named the Sullivans. I actually have a creepy-ass photo of the Sullivans. Let's see it. Freaking, like, straight out of a horror film. Oh, Jesus. Like, 1930s. For those listening, I mean, this thing is, like, I mean, this photo is so washed out.

It's blown out. They might as well be sand people. Yeah, it's hard to tell at this point. It's like a light shade of gray. Yeah, it's one of those old-timey photos where everyone is just frowning at the camera. But like hands on laps, like very stern-faced. Even the babies are frowning somehow.

It's all like 2D. They're just facing the camera. It's very disturbing. It's menacing, right? Like that's creepy enough, not even knowing what happened to the family. Yeah. That family, the Sull creepy enough, not even knowing what happened to the family. Yeah. That family, the Sullivans,

lived a typical normal life until one day, the mother, Mary Sullivan, and her infant child went missing. Whoa. Their bodies were never found. Whoa.

Soon after that, the father and younger son also went missing. Now, Bill, our professional Goatman researcher, says it's as if someone was stalking the family and picking them off one by one.

I'm confused. So the mother and infant got abducted. They got abducted. And then the dad and kid got abducted? Who's left? A couple of them. And I think maybe they might have got abducted as well. Oh, my God.

Yeah. Apparently, the area around their house is still to this day where many of the goatman sightings take place wow so we'll get on a little bit later as to what we think his motivations are because at this point he just seems like he's pissed yeah he's just angry and just has like found an axe he just wants to like wreck people but also like this is what 1930s and he's been cited up to like this current well i don't know about this current year we're still early on for the go man to show his face yeah but like what is that what is that like he's gonna be like 80 years

old now yeah the go man so there has to be some sort of supernatural forces at play for sure unless he's like like banging like a man banging goats and they're making these out here making these in the woods did ever come up in your research that extensive research extensive years of research i am bill livingston it's my other persona it's my screen name goat man 69 whenever he puts on whenever whenever you speak in this podcast when you start talking about the goat man you put on small spectacles yeah these are my bill glasses then of course one of the classic images of satan yeah is like a goat man oh yeah like a fawn goat devil man

it came up a little bit i looked into some of the origins of that but um like it's interesting we'll get into it like half of his origins are quite like scientifically explained and other ones are like pretty demonic and like creepy creepy ass shit so yeah it's a bit of a mix it's a bit of a mix but we'll fast forward from the 1930s to the late 1950s and there's a family living in uh mishaville called the glasses who had a little boy named bobby all right it's a good name for a little boy one night bobby's playing in the backyard and his father comes out to check on him now his father is a tough ass man he's a strong man this is what 1950 late 1950s and where do they live again um michelleville so it's in maryland okay it's in it's in maryland it's all in maryland it's all in maryland yeah he's very territorial i feel like

there's i feel like yeah there's some tough guys in maryland uh well this dude uh bobby's dad like he's just out of the korean war he's a korean war vet jesus he's seeing some shit like half man half goat's not gonna scare him yeah absolutely not or would it bobby's dad fled into the night leaving his child as bait threw his child into the jaws of the freaking goats he actually went back to korea he actually dropped on his knee and swore allegiance to the goat man immediately saying claiming i have testimony here i will bring you more children should you spare my life everyone else like it's just a goat it's literally there's no man it's a goat it's just a goat by his axe collection severe ptsd

just a goat oh Oh my God! I swear allegiance! I'll bow down to thee, goat lord! I'll bring you children's blood! Not again. Not again, dad. Let's pretend like Bobby's dad is not a man who's not easily spooked. Yes. But in the darkness, at the end of the forest he can see a tall dark figure

something about this doesn't feel right maybe it's the goat legs the man possesses so he yells at bobby he goes bobby get get in the house bobby go back in the house he cries probably i don't know um so bobby runs back into the house and as soon as bobby's safe the father approaches the figure and he starts yelling at it trying to intimidate him telling him you know get out of here get it get but instead of running away the creature lets out a harrowing cry is it a blood curdling scream it is a blood hurdling scream not like anything he's ever heard before Anything he's ever heard before. I was a turkey.

Whatever. Oh! It's a turkey man. The figure turns and leaves. And yeah, it's lucky too, because Bobby's dad was probably crapping himself. Yeah, for sure. I just imagine Bobby as a kid being like,

Dad, you're not scared, right? You fought in the war. Not against goat men! Stupid little shit! I know. Against regular men! That night, this is only the beginning of the night, by the way. That night, Bobby's sleeping in his bed.

And he's awoken by a quiet scratching sound filling his room. That's awful. I know, right? The video I was watching, Bobby was telling this story. But at this point, this is 1950s. So Bobby's like 60 years old. Yeah. It was really kind of sad it was like this 16 year old dude and he was like watery eyed being like i know i was a kid

and no one believes me but i swear to god this happened and i was like oh shit bobby like i'm sorry man well i'm gonna continue to take the piss out of you though real quick for sure but um Just a little crying. Yeah. A little goat scared you? Sorry. Sorry, Bobby. He leans up in bed, and he looks towards the window, and he can see something clawing against the glass, looking inside the window at him. But he's freaking scared. Like, he lets out this terrified scream, calling for his dad.

Dad! Dad! His dad runs into the room room and the figure just takes off running bolts it from the window bobby's dad grabs his gun leaves the house yes dude runs outside creature's already gone it's already gone so it's dark you know you're crapping yourself after that like you don't want to go back in like back out there looking for it so they're saying we'll wait till the morning at least before we go hunt this thing down whatever it is the next day bobby and his father they're gonna go out leave the house search for any clues as to what had attacked them last night but as soon as they leave their door they notice their front yard and it's covered in hoof prints

that's pretty badass crazy right actual hoof prints So none of this just like, I swear it touched me and I felt the presence of something evil. Yeah. Freaking indentations on the ground of a creature that was there. Yeah. That's basically DNA. That's DNA on Mother Earth. That's like a little bit of proof. If they had had that in Making a Murderer, boom, done.

I know. Hooves. It was the goat man. It would have saved Netflix, that whole series. Exactly. That's why this show never got made. That's why the goat man flicks that whole series exactly that's why that's why this show never got made that's why the goat man never became a netflix series because there's too much evidence dude i forgot about this it gets even creepier okay to get this years later elliot forbes who is a local social anthropologist realized that the land that the glass's house was built on was the exact same

property that belonged to the sullivan family that had disappeared in the 1930s yes that's pretty cool isn't that crazy that family that like disappeared were hunted off it's the exact same location where bobby and mr glass lived in mary I thought you were going to say that it was like an ancient goat burial site. Yeah, and they were just like, we're going to put your sandbox over here. That little hole is where I'm going to take a shit. Just like disrespecting royal goat land. And he's just so pissed off. He has to come like hunt them all down.

That's crazy though. So the exact same land. I know, right? And Elliot Forbes, he's not even like a crazy paranormal investigator. He's a freaking social anthropologist. Yeah. You know, that's a professional trust. I barely know what that is, but that is trustworthy.

It's long, man. That's all you got to know. It's a long word. It's long as hell. So at this point in Maryland, the tale of the Goatman has become legend. It's common folklore to the people of this area. Or is it more than just a tale we're gonna jump forward even further to i couldn't find out the date but judging by the

testimony and the man's age it was within the last 10 15 years okay so it's very very relevant yeah okay one night brandon johnson is up with his girlfriend at a place called Lovers Lane. What was that? What was that? Oh, my God. It's a door. Scratch, scratch, scratch. I've heard of a doggy style, but ghost style.

She's like, get out, Brandon. Get out. I don't want to. This isn't happening anymore. My family were killed by the gunman, okay? You have zero respect. So they're parked up there with another car who are also, quote, unquote, involved. Those are Brandon's words.

Brandon's words. Adults, Brandon. You used to tell us what you were doing. They're banging. They were banging up there. At one point, Brandon catches something out of the corner of his eye. Boobs. No, it's not.

As if this story is just Brandon wanting to brag about. So I was up there getting laid by my smoking hot girlfriend. A dab piece. A little man might have showed up. Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. I don't know. I was too busy having sex with my smoking hot girlfriend.

You kind of saw how hot my girlfriend was. Kind of got intimidated, I guess. I put my hand out. He high-fived me through the window. Said that was a hot chick. I said, I know, Goatman. I know. That's why I'm banging her.

Anyway, we're bros now. We hang out on the weekends. I also have a bigger dick than he does. Needless to say. He's rocking about a nine inch. I got about 14. Oh, Brandon. You, you, jokester, you. needless to say he's rocking about a nine inch i got about 14 oh brandon you you jokes are you i just find this hilarious that he's he's getting involved out of the corner his eyes he's a goat that's like the ultimate that's like okay this is going well what's that over there flaccid

there could be no bigger turn off than seeing a half man half goat with like your dick would just shrivel inside of itself if you saw like a man walking on goat's legs with an axe i like to imagine though he's been like you know he's been just trying to you know wine and dine this lady for like years at this point and she's just like babe what's wrong like what's wrong and he's looking at the goat man in the corner was like nothing nothing nothing's wrong goat man's pacing towards him no never mind this is how i want to die yeah so there's a there's a something moving in the corner of his eye it's a tall strange looking hunched over human walking out of the

forest but here's the catch it isn't walking towards them it's walking towards the other car oh whoa so what do you do you're branding you're like getting your game on but what's going on here there's this huge like hunched over thing holding something moving towards a car where other people are banging you're just gonna let the onslaught well you're flaccid nice so there's no point you might as well freaking call out. Just pack it in. Run the thing over. So, as the creature begins to get close, Brandon starts to panic.

He starts flashing his car lights and honking his horn, trying to warn the other car. All of a sudden, the other car just takes off, speeding down the road, presumably to just, like, immediately, they're freaked out

and they want to get away from either Brandon, who seems like a sexual predator at this point, or the genuine predator. We have no idea. So they're speeding down the lane and they leave Brandon and his girlfriend with the creature. This is the worst part because they're gone. The dark figure slowly turns to face Brandon's truck.

And at this point, Brandon can see it's holding something heavy in its hands. Oh no. They panic. Brandon tries to start the truck. It's Ginger's head. His girlfriend is screaming as the tall figure begins to approach them. The truck finally starts

and Brandon pulls away as fast as he can. But not before the creature takes a wild swing with his weapon hitting the truck. They race home and arrive safely. That's the end of the night. Aren't you kidding me? You can't write this stuff, people.

It's crazy. So the next morning, Brandon is left like he cannot believe what happened last night. But he's left wondering if the events actually took place. You know, how is anyone ever going to believe him and his girlfriend that this actually happened? And that's when he went to check. And sure enough, in the front of his truck is a giant dent where the axe hit his bumper. Whoa. It happened, man.

The hooves. Hooves. The axe hole. The dog's head. Yeah. Yeah. It's all piling up. The ancient goat burial site.

It's all piling up. So these are just three of the encounters that i yeah and you said there's hundreds there's tons wow there's actually you can go to maryland and there's a center where i think there's a whole like building of research on the goat man you're kidding me you can like go on like tours and stuff for the woods there's a whole website uh i have the website what is the website called goatman hollow.com really i have a testimony from it that's actually really interesting it's a it's a huge thing it's as big as like to them as big as like the loch ness monster yeah we were talking about the origin of the goat man as we said before

there's a huge range because usually usually with a lot of these creatures it's kind of black and white loch ness monster is like an old creature lives in the sea you know there's not much variant on that yeah but with the goat man like some say that he was a scientist who uh worked at the beltville agricultural research center and experimented on goats before an experiment backfired and turned him into a goat was this written before after like spider-man he's bitten by a radioactive goat um like like i like the idea is like he got no additional superpowers from being bitten by goes i'll just take it i'll just take the axe then jesus i'll be down if i don't murder some punks that'll be so terrible it's like if spider-man

got bit by the spider and just got like eight spider legs yeah he's like well shit what am i gonna do now i just have to lay a thousand eggs a day jesus but there's also like there's realistic uh versions of his origin story like others say that he's just an old hermit that lives in the woods that like hates any outreach from the modern world so like the concept of humans owning pets is why he's like messing them all up kind of unabomber style yeah yeah yeah like going up to apparently he's all over lover's lane where people go to bang you just say it's fun cars romance yeah that like he's like get out of here he's a miser yeah like he could just be an old grumpy man yeah murderous man but others believe it's much more supernatural and his origins

involve the devil and the occult like he's some sort of like cursed demon like stuck in the woods who's definitely pointing right that's a very demonic demonic possession uh but the most interesting by far i actually thought this was really cool it's a funny thing that you get when you're like reading into these stories because a lot of them are just like funny ludicrous ridiculous stories and then you'll stumble on a little thing you're like oh it's actually pretty cool like next thing you know i'm like buying goatman merch like buying freaking do you have any vacancies i would love to come and work so this this uh this is a theory that involves a scientist by the name of stephen fletcher now this is taken from the reputable

site goatman hollow.com uh and this is a little history behind the scientist so born in baltimore in 1924 stephen fletcher graduated from johns hopkins university with degrees in medicine and chemistry very prestigious i know an early prodigy he completed his studies at age 23 and began his career at usda's research facility in beltsville maryland play the creepy goat noise make the way i'll do the quote once again at USDA's research facility in Beltsville, Maryland. Play the creepy goat noise. Make the way. I'll do the goat noise again.

Something like that. But add echo to it. Add echo to it in the mix so it's really menacing. Fletcher's early work focused on animal biosciences and genomics. In 1950, he married Jennifer Zug and they had a daughter called janie pretty normal dude he's a scientist he's got a wife he's got a kid makes sense if i check so this is where things get pretty sick pretty freaking messed up dude so only two years into their happy marriage

jenny fletcher was struck down with a mysterious illness and symptoms that resembled a coma-like state. Neither local doctors nor specialists at Johns Hopkins could revive her. Desperate to find a cure, Fletcher began to experiment with technologies used in his own work, including early versions of gene splicing. He managed to revive her for a brief period, but she lapsed back into her comatose state. Now, convinced that his work on a cure had been sabotaged, Fletcher became increasingly

enraged and violent, at one point completely destroying one of his research labs. He then became even more erratic, and moved his work into a remote building on the usda campus and cut off all contact wow so they're they're saying that maybe stephen fletcher in in some way created the goat man yeah through either maybe his it's his wife

he tried to heal her with like, I don't know. Do goats have like good immune systems or something? Like strong legs? Yeah, well, they're good at mountain climbing. I don't know. And the most difficult mountain of all time to climb is Comus. Death. Death, yeah, exactly.

So that was, I thought that was like the coolest theory. And basically like that is a straight up horror film. The man who's like traumatized by his wife's death moves to the woods freaking starts doing crazy ass experiments on animals and humans and eventually maybe makes this goat man maybe he's then killed by the goat man yeah and maybe he loves axes and i don't actually know that doesn't really play into it at all but he was also an outdoorsman you know it's not all gonna link together it's not all gonna link together yeah but i think out of all all of the the theories that's my favorite one steven fletcher and the g early genius it's cool right i like that i mean that and like the occult

devil crap is pretty cool as well but yeah i didn't under research much into that i like yeah i do like the idea of him continuing to work at the usda and just like every day he just gets a bit more goat like he just starts coming in with like just it's like yeah do you know steve he's just not really wearing like shirts anymore he's just like a fawn like steve when did you learn the harp man that's that's really nice i mean damn it his research is golden but yeah he doesn't even talk to his wife she's doing back flips she was in a coma like three days ago what's up with that she's got a lot of chest hair though a lot of chest hair making some

real weird noises a couple blood curves how's that paper coming on all right you joke back you joker yeah i love the uh like the dean of the university like catching up with him now steven you know that i respect you and you've been a valuable asset to this university but it's been raised and brought to my concern that some of the fellow teachers here believe that you are in fact a goat uh do you have any claims to defend yourself it's like eating the the bonsai tree on the freaking dean's desk well very good very good uh continue research um please refrain from shitting anymore on my desk and we'll we'll just call this even we'll call it even i like the idea as well you know he starts becoming more and more like a goat and everyone else is like you know he might be onto something

with his whole look everyone else starts in the same way yeah yeah it's like yo you hear steven's a goat yeah he is the greatest of all time i I know it, man. Have you seen his research? Dude kicks ass. Yeah. I think, yeah, that's my favorite out of all of them. That's pretty good. So, I don't know. What are your initial thoughts?

Because we've heard a lot of stories ranging from what I assume is a man holding an axe to literal testimonies of seeing, like, a goat-like man. So, I am going to come down on the side of it's a man it's a man oh my god it's a man it could not be more of a man if it tried but what about steven steven fletcher and his gene splicing he's got an m6 wife and his goat body it it's an awesome story it is but like it's such a leap from him to a goat man with an axe right i think like he invented like yeah he worked with animals or whatever but it doesn't mean he's gonna become an animal man wielding an axe but then do you think over this period of time someone or people

have just been murdering people with axes yeah in maryland oh absolutely isn't that something people do axe murders yeah so when was the last time you heard about an axe murder come on there was like an axe murder in uh in the uk not that long ago shit yeah like he knows how to fly oh my god tell the cops goat man in london revisited but you're scratching against the the walls bobby get inside i i see i flip-flopped i flip-flopped on this okay because yes you got the real world evidence you got the hooves on the garden but it's always going to come back to the fact that if this was a monster why has he got an axe yeah why is he wielding an axe that makes such little sense it makes no sense whatsoever so i'm oh god i want to

believe i want to believe in the goat man i want to believe in the demonic goat man i mean that's cool as hell yeah that's really freaky it's really freaky but i i'm with you i'm gonna say no i think it's a crazy i'm on board with the hermit thing i think at one point it was a hermit i think it was early days the the sullivan family probably died of the cold. It was the 1930s. Seriously. They probably died from lack of salt or something. Or sunlight.

Honestly. Or they just died. It was the 1930s. Plague was around. For sure. That was a false claim probably. I don't think plague was around in the 1930s. Straight up medieval stuff.

Not 1930s. I know. Anything pre-1950s to me is the... This is you talking to your granddad. Plague about your newborn dad. I'm with you. I'm going to say false. Certified.

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