This Paranormal Life - #042 Skinwalker Ranch (W/ Gav Murphy)

Episode Date: January 2, 2018

In 1994 the Sherman family purchased a farm in Utah in the hopes of setting up a cattle ranch, but what they didn't realise was that they had just purchased one of the most paranormal plots of land in history... Welcome to Skinwalker Ranch.Also joining us on todays episode is our first ever guest Gavin Murphy!Support us on Patreon.com/ThisParanormalLife to get access to weekly bonus episodes!Buy Official TPL Merch! - thisparanormallife.com/storeFollow us on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTubeJoin our Secret Society Facebook CommunityIntro music by www.purple-planet.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Are humans power held in their hair and that's why the government is trying to cut us down? Is deforestation a way to remove the trees and vegetation slowly taking over the entire planet? All of these questions you can find the answer to on This Paranormal Life! Welcome to the podcast. I'm going to be your host for this week, Rory Powers, joined by my professional paranormal pal, Kit Greer. That's right. And for the first time ever. Oh.

We have a guest on this show. Mr. Gavin Murphy. What? It's the first time ever? I didn't realize it was the first time ever. Yeah. I wouldn't have agreed to it. Yeah.

I'm very much the guinea pig of this situation. Can I drink this serum? Well, usually on any normal podcast, you know, we would take a second to explain who Gav is and how we know Gav. Right, right, right, right. This isn't a normal podcast, all right? This is a paranormal podcast, okay?

So we're not going to do that. Gav is dressed as a ghost. And as always, we're just going to hop right in. We're going to get straight into the story. No, no, no, no. Gav, how well do you know the paranormal world? I mean, we're professionals gonna we're gonna hop right in we're gonna get straight into the story no S and R Gav how well do you know the paranormal the paranormal world

I mean we're professionals but you must intimately I just wanna make sure that you're in a place where if your life changes tonight you'll be okay

oh yeah I mean it's pretty run in the mill that I see ghosts interact with ghosts I'm dressed like a ghost as you say you're like I'll be honest with you

I'm begging for change you're like well this one's about werewolves so you're gonna be lost I'm in a bad place, as you say. You're like, I'll be honest with you. I'm begging for change. You're like, well, this one's about werewolves, so you're going to be lost. I'm in a bad place, guys. I just thought if we could move on, give me now, it would be great. What we're going to be investigating today is a little place known as Skinwalker Ranch. All right. So it's not the kind of ranch you would like to necessarily take your children for a day out or something like that.

Skinwalker Ranch, I'm guessing. How do you view your children? Do you like their skin a lot? I like it on them. I feel like if you run a place called Skinwalker Ranch, the way you view your children is through, like, a glass thing. Like, the only way you're allowed to touch them is when they put their hand on the glass and you touch them. That's fine. Well, guys, down along Dirt Road in Utah

is a rugged stretch of ranch land that may just be the strangest place on earth. Skinwalker Ranch. I thought it was going to be somewhere else. Okay, that's fine. Is it really called Skinwalker Ranch or is that like what the locals call it? Also known as Sherman Ranch.

There you go. Or Gorman Ranch. So at what point did they change the name? Maybe when the fucking Skinwalkers showed up, Kit. How about that? Hang on. Why is it called Sherman Ranch? Look, guys, there's a lot of questions going on right now.

I'll be honest. I didn't expect this many on the second line. Let me convince you. Let me win you over. All right. So our story begins in Utah back in 1994. There's a property that borders the Ute Indian Reservation. It's a nice plot of land, 480 acres, and it's on the market for a steal as well, weirdly enough.

And it's on the market. For a steal as well, weirdly enough. So a lovely couple named Terry and Gwen Sherman decide to go check it out. They're looking for somewhere where they can build and develop a cattle ranch. And for all extensive purposes, the ranch is perfect. You know, middle of nowhere. No one is going to come interrupt you. You can do whatever you want on this ranch. We were talking just before I got here about how much we hate

estate agents. This is interesting. It feels like they're trying to sell them cursed land. That's very true. It's a very estate agent thing to do, I would say. The only strange thing they notice is apparently there were deadbolts on all the windows

and doors of the home. That's alright. Even the kitchen cabinets had deadboltts on all the windows and doors of the home. That's alright. Even the kitchen cabinets had deadbolt locks on them. Bless so. And even stranger, they were on the inside and outside of both of the doors. Of the kitchen cabinets? I don't know about the cabinets. How is that possible? I don't know about the cabinets, to be fair.

Okay. Well, anyway, they decide to make a deal and in 1994 agree to buy the property. They bought it! How bad was the property market back then? Dead bulls and all. Jesus Christ. Did all dead bulls come with this? Yeah, we'll take it.

We gotta take it. That's a steal. What they didn't know was that they had just purchased one of the most paranormal plots of land in history. The land known as Skinwalker Ranch. Was it called Skinwalker Ranch before they went on it? Okay, right, okay.

It was called maybe Gorman Ranch. Okay. Or like Pleasantville, Happy Town. Buy me ranch. Yeah. So the day comes where it's time for Terry and Gwen to move into the ranch. They fill a moving truck with all their furniture and drive it over to the ranch. That feels like

padding on your part. They put all their DVDs into one box then they put all their cutlery. Bedding a different car. But as they worked unpacking their furniture from the van. How's this for f***ing

filling, Gav? They noticed a large wolf appeared in a nearby cow field please please respect the story the shermans at this point they've seen wolves before they're pretty close to the animal yeah and they're being quite loud so you think the creature would be scared off of course right they've seen it but they're still being loud yeah because that's disrespectful to wolves you don't know what a wolf likes. Maybe he's a party wolf. Yeah. But instead of being scared off, it just stood there, motionless. Okay.

Staring at them. Then the wolf bit into a calf's leg. Oh, it was by the cows. It was by some cows. I neglected that information earlier. It was by some cows and it bit into a cow's leg. Terriers obviously have none of this because those are essentially his babies. Oh, by some cows and it bit into a cow's leg. Terry is obviously having none of this because those are

essentially his babies. Oh, do the cows belong to him? Yeah, because he wants to set up like a cattle ranch. Okay, okay, okay. You haven't told us this, so don't... That was in the story.

That was at the start. So the cows moved before... Never mind. Jesus Christ. So look, Terry's pissed. He goes inside, runs, grabs his rifle, comes outside,

points it at the wolf and bam! Fires at him, close range. This wolf really isn't going anywhere. No. But the wolf is unfazed. Okay? Terry shoots the wolf again.

BAM! The wolf doesn't even flinch. Terminator 2-style wounds heal up. Well, Kit, after the dust cleared, the wolf stood up and walked away with no trace of blood. This was the first of many strange paranormal events of Skinwalker Ranch. When you said when he walked away, in my head, it was on like two legs.

That's what I was thinking. He put on a hat and coat. He put his jacket over his shoulder. Good day. If you're going to shoot me, then I will no longer be on this ranch. He's like, well, shit, I didn't think you had the balls. So I'm welcome to Skinwalker Ranch. This is a little hazing we do to the newbies. Sorry about your cow.

There were allegedly several more wolf sightings. In one instance, Sherman's wife spotted a large wolf as she drove through the gate to the ranch. She noted that the wolf was three times larger than a standard wolf, its head reaching above the roof to her car. What? Yeah. This is

ridiculous. I don't think I've ever seen a wolf, so I don't know how, I'm guessing they're not that big. I think they're like cat-sized. So that's like cat-sized. It's like, I haven't seen one, but that's not true. Like my cat whiskers. That is a wolf. That is a full grown wolf.

It's like proper like frothing in her mouth. There's a weird thing in her mouth. It was like, that's rabies. Is that a calf's leg? Yeah, he does that. He loves calves. Little did they know the giant wolves would be the least of their problems on Skinwalker Ranch. The longer they stayed, the more horrific the experiences became.

In the middle of the night, the entire ranch could light up as if it was illuminated by stadium lights. When they worked in the fields, they swore they could hear voices floating above them, talking, conversing. There were crop circles, random holes in the ground, cattle mutilations. I mean, these poor sons of bitches had to put up with everything. You know, some people just have one. It's like, oh, my cows are being messed with. Everything on this ranch. I am, like, I'm going along with it, and I believe, well, I don't believe them.

Well, hold on because they just go in everything was happening they were just like ghost wolf there was ghost talking

what's that thing crop circles would you say there was a Sasquatch there absolutely why not for sure but you gotta remember guys

the rumours of this of this place being haunted, cursed, the rumors of the skinwalkers, this precedes the Shermans. Okay, yeah, yeah. They have come in very much with,

I don't know if they did know the history of this ranch. Yes. But people long before them have said that it is haunted. It was very much in the small print. So, as if all of these dead cows

and giant wolves weren't enough, the Shermans also experienced over a dozen UFO sightings. Not just one, not two, but 12 separate reported incidents. So it is a dozen, it's not over a dozen. Huh? Move on. And they've only been on the ranch for two years, okay? This has gone on for two years.

Two years they're getting f***ed with on this ranch that's a lot in some instances the ufos would open up and release small spheres into the air now this one's actually is quite funny apparently there were two types of these spheres blue and orange so they said the orange orbs were frequent and referred to by the sherman's neighbor who was also getting with yeah of course as the flying orange basketball from what i can tell it was relatively harmless it would just kind of survey around the fields bounce go away then there were the blue orbs and they were the dangerous ones apparently in may 1996 terry was outside with his dogs when he saw one of the blue orbs coming down from the sky.

Now I guess by this point, he knows not to mess with the blue orbs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they're the bad ones. But the dogs don't know anything. They just see like a floating chew toy in the sky. So they run away trying to chase it down. But it flies away into these thick bushes. He calls for the dogs to come back,

but they don't. Now, Terry Sherman is a pretty brave man, but he's shitting himself. So he goes inside. He goes to sleep. What, without the dogs? The dogs. He just writes off the dogs.

He knows the blue ones are not to be messed with. Yeah. He's like, f like, idiot dogs. Glad I got a shot of them. Anyway, now I have to find some really clever cats. So he goes inside, goes to bed. The next morning he comes out and he's like, oh, do you want the dog? Yeah, I did for a bit.

Like, where are they now? Blue orb. He's like, blue orb? Oh, you should have just said that lead with that yeah when he went to go

look for the dogs he could only find three burnt patches on the floor where he believes his dogs were incinerated shut up yeah

true story I mean maybe not but you shouldn't say that you shouldn't end every sentence with true story. It really discredits your word. Oh, shit, yeah. Well done.

Wait, so... Questions, yes? If my girlfriend's dog wasn't with her, I'm like, hey, where's your dog? Because she owns a dog. Does she own a ranch? No. If she...

Skinwalker flat? If her husband came back into the house and then he's like, oh, where's the two dogs that you left here with that I put in your care? And then Terry's just like, oh, blue orb. His wife's just like, oh orb his wife's just like oh well sleep time she just saw

a wolf the size of a car on the way into the house I think it's she's fine with it it's the least of their worries I guess

I know it's the least of their worries but at the same time it just feels like losing one dog would be pretty sad losing two dogs on the same night

yeah yeah look I mean they've been here for two dogs on the same night. Yeah, yeah. Look, I mean, they've been here for two years. Like, the dogs are pretty bad because, yes, you have, like, affection for the dogs. Yeah. Terry, he's lost cattle. He's lost actual money. He's had, like, people taken from, like, the blood sucked from the veins of the animals

and left dry little husks. The dogs die. That's a bummer. But you weren't making those into hamburgers or whatever they do at cattle ranches. I do see the point. I just feel like it should be more of a fuss made. She cried a little.

Are you happy? I'll add that in. She was upset. A bit. Then a blue orb entered the room. And sucked out the tears for it was the power of the orb. The tears were incinerated.

So as I said, this has been going on for two years. After the second year of living in Skinwalker Ranch, the family started to find it difficult to even sleep at night.

And when they did, they were plagued by violent nightmares. Jesus. Their two kids saw their grades plummet at school.rs sherman lost her job because of her repeated absences and as i said terry sherman lost a significant percentage of

his cattle jesus it's not worth it guys and i mean they they took the ranch in like wild utah that had all the doors bolted shut so i'm guessing they don't have the financial ability to maybe just move somewhere nicer yeah if you're settling for skinwalker ranch yeah i feel like yeah you don't have the moolah to just move to a new property i don't understand also why the bolts were on the outside what you said there was bolts on the inside and the outside of the doors like is that because the wolf was just like, oh, I'm going to lock you in. Like, we want to be locked in.

You don't maybe, at some point, whatever was in the house had to be contained. Yeah. There's so much stuff. They got a blue orb in there. Yeah, quickly put dead vaults on every single door. Terry's just looking through the window like, oh, that's a telly gone. He's like, I know that you bought a lot of deadlocks, but you do realize if you deadlock the outside of the door, the door is still locked.

You don't need to deadlock the inside of the door. I'm going to be honest with you. There was a sale on locks. Yeah. I was just scared. I'm going to be honest with you. There was a sale on locks. Yeah. I was just scared. I can't lose any more dogs. After the second year, they just can't take it anymore. All right.

The family decide to pack up and get out. Smart. But obviously by this point, the stories about all this insane stuff that's been happening at the ranch has spread across America. So how are you going to sell this house? Terry's got a big mouth and he likes to drink. He's just constantly talking about blue orbs and other things. Anyway, anyone want to buy that cursed ranch? She's like, no, Terry, you're mental.

I've got nine dogs. I can't bring them up there. So as you can see, it's a very isolated location, very peaceful. How are you with wolves? Do you like wolves? They get pretty big up here. They're like, what are those screams I can hear? It's like wolves? They get pretty big up here They're like What are those screams I can hear? And it's like

Oh that's a ghost They fly around your house What's up? But it's fine though Deadlocks Inside and out Do you know how a ghost works? Are their pets allowed?

Well they are allowed Whether they will survive The winter Is another thing That's a gamble I will admit That is a gamble Do you like lots of pets?

Because I would encourage your dogs to breed a lot because they will be going missing. Yeah, I would very much advise on a dispensable amount of animals on the farm. Well, there is one man who wants to buy this house and his name is Bob Bigelow. That's not. He's real.

Bob purchased the house for the National institute for discovery science also known as the nids which is essentially a company that he created to investigate the paranormal interesting this guy is an entrepreneur he's a bazillionaire he has money to throw around and invest in these that's the thing okay when you say he's head of a company i'm like oh this is real and then you go it's a company that he made. In his mom's basement. All right.

Yeah. It's like, does he own a company or does he just have money for some undisclosed reason? I think he's a pretty reputable businessman. There are smart people who believe in the paranormal. Bob and his team move into the house with all their gear, monitoring equipment, et cetera, installing video cameras

around the farm. He's pimped this place out. He's got enough money. Bob's got a lot of money. He's got enough money to pay a team to monitor this farm 24-7. They're stationed there,

essentially. Awesome. Watch towers, surveillance equipment, all of it. What's the address to this guy's Patreon? I think we need to start address this guy's patreon i think

copying this guy's model i never get to meet people like this i've never met somebody like what'd you do and he's like uh you never heard of skinwalker i'm sorry i asked honestly his face is illuminated by a pipe in the corner you ever hear the skinwalker rams boys like no but that sounds like something i definitely want I'm sorry I asked, honestly. His face is illuminated by a pipe in the corner. You ever hear the skin walk around? He's like, no, but that sounds like something I definitely want to hear about and maybe work on. So tell me about that. I mean, you say that, but me and Gav work at a sort of video game entertainment company.

It's not a sort of video game entertainment company. I feel like the people who make that website think it's a real, it's a sort of I guess video game entertainment website that's what it is look I use a lot of the studio space for investigating the paranormal we were we recently offered the opportunity to

go on a trip with a self proclaimed beast hunter a zoologist a cryptologist there's quite a difference between a zoologist and a beast hunter I would say I don't think

this guy knows that let me tell you I've read this email thoroughly this guy does not know the difference between beast hunter and cryptologist

I'll show the email later because I do think we should go on this trip I absolutely agree yeah because zoologists are mostly about protecting

nature and living things and conserving rare species. Beast hunter indicates something slightly different. But you're protecting the ultimate species, human, from beasts. So, in a sense, we're the zoo. Also, I like the idea that these people think that all those creatures hang out in the same place in Devon. Is it in devon like i was like is it in devon like i'm pretty sure lock the loch ness monster has never been seen in devon like because that's one of the one

of the emails like if you can prove that the loch ness monster is uh alive or bigfoot it's like what do they think these monsters are like they think it's like disneyland and they're all hanging out in one big park together it's very much a gentleman's club to be fair look at the skinwalker ranch for example we've got one location where all of these you know paranormal incidents are being reported like drawn to this one location this cursed land well the thing i don't get is like it's that's cool i mean that's pretty badass in fact that the native americans uh would refer to as cursed uh i don't know why it is like a curse to draw ufos or orbs it feels like terry terry's a drinker look we talked about this before with um we did a podcast earlier on which was uh the the hollow

earth god i hate myself for saying that sentence aloud. But essentially it was Native American tribes talking about the ant people and the snake people. Yes. You know, it's essentially UFOs and aliens appearing. But then obviously from a human standpoint, you have a way of appropriating that into your culture. Okay. So you're saying the language of the Native Americans was limited to to their culture and it referred to something more high-tech like there's those supposedly like sumerian scripts that depict helicopters in like 3000 bc everyone's on an iphone like carving the walls it's like is that all right like someone points out, it's like, oh, look at this portrait of this guy.

That's John Travolta. That proves that John Travolta's a vampire. Like, not really. It just kind of looks a little bit like John Travolta. The Nicolas Cage one, though? Oh, yeah. That is, he's a vampire. Absolute vampire.

It's pretty good. So Bob and his team have moved into the ranch, all right? And it's not long before things start kicking off doesn't miss a beat he moves in everything starts going insane the first night they were there they reported seeing two bright yellow orbs hovering 15 to 20 yellow orbs off the ground they're the fine ones they're the fine they're neutral i see if you give them a dog they will incinerate it but it's fine Regardless The pie yorbs

Like no we're cool We're not all those blue Two disco balls Entered the house At 3am Yeah you're like Shitting yourself You go up really slowly

With a rock Just poke it And slowly opens up Smoke emitting You just hear Wolves come out Of the forest That's it Right I mean It's not threatening Wolves come out of the forest.

That's it. I mean, it's not threatening, but it's still very weird. Definitely paranormal. I'm not worried about it. I'm not not worried about it. I'll tell you that. As they move closer to the lights, they saw human-like animals scramble high into a tree, the animal growing larger and larger as they neared the trees. lights, they saw human-like animals scramble high into a tree. The animal

growing larger and larger as they neared the trees. I guess that's just perspective. Yeah. A nearby rancher who accompanied the scientist fired shots at the animal claiming, they won't get any more of our cattle tonight. But I was going to say, they won't get any bigger now.

He takes a step closer. My God. Slowly turns the gun on himself. It's the only way. Bob's like, oh God, oh God. That's the fifth neighbor. The animal was wounded, but again, they searched the ground for any traces of blood. No blood, but they did discover tracks in the snow.

The tracks were large, clearly defined, and indicated the animal had large human feet with very long claws. Human feet with long claws. So I guess five toes. Not five toes. Five toes, yes. Jesus. Just a regular old seven toes. So what are their feet?

Four fingers, one thumb. One chubby thumb. It's okay. I can feel my four hearts going crazy. But I'm just... So can a human foot have claws? Or is it like a human foot with long nails? I think the implication is that it's a creature with a human-like foot, but it's not a human.

It could be a skinwalker. I'm not sure. Not wanting public exposure that would bring onlookers and disrupt their scientific research, the NIDS remained fairly quiet about this incident for many years. But there were some incidents they weren't so quiet about. Additional activity reported at the ranch includes strange aircraft,

balls of light floating above the ground, poltergeist activity in and around the property, in and around the cabinets, cattle mutilations, strange alterations to the surface of the land, in brackets, hundreds of pounds of soil Moved from place to place

In the course of a single night And strange humanoid-like creatures roaming the ranch There's a lot of stuff going down This is a very confusing case, yes There's so much stuff going on in this ranch, man You gotta focus on the ranch Rather than focus on something happening at it. Okay.

It's called the most paranormal place in the world because it's just everything happening here. Yes. Whether that's down to secret military bases or ancient curses. You know, something's drawing all this weird shit to this little plot of land. It reminds me of like, have you ever been to a mystery spot in America? No. Have you ever been to a mystery spot in America? No. Have you ever been to one? Where they have like these,

I think it's called the mystery spot, which I thought was like a joke because there's one in the, the Simpsons baseball episode. Okay. Where I think it's like, Wade Boggs maybe? Oh, where they have the deepest pit in the world

or something. Never ending pit. But you can, there are real mystery spots in America. They're like these weird little sideshow, like, like attractions and I went to one and it's like

some guy be like this is the world's darkest room that'll be $200 I mean it's pretty dark but he beats you over the head with a 2x4

it's not far off because like it's called the mystery spot and I went to one like in the middle of like San Francisco and LA like on that drive it's like Santa Cruz but like there's called the mystery spot and I went to one like in the middle of like San Francisco and LA like on that drive

it's like Santa Cruz but like there's so much stuff going on in the same place and it's unrelated so like one bit is just like oh check out this cabin

like the gravity in this cabin is crazy and then you go in and it's like this weird optical illusion it's like oh also

this bench down here if you all stand on it the person who's the tallest looks the shortest and stuff like that so they're all optical illusions all this different shit and but it's like isn't it strange i was all happening in this one place i was like well you called the mystery spot so no not really yeah there doesn't seem to be a very like strong vetting procedure procedure for submitting weird things. It's like, you know, Charles says that the bench down there is kind of weird.

Cool, adding it to the list. All right, going up on Wikipedia as we speak. It's like when you're driving down the road and you'll see like, oh, you guys want to come check out the world's biggest ball of yarn? Yeah. And then you're like, well, is this the biggest? He's like, have you seen a f***ing bigger ball than this?

No. Well, no. He's like, well, there you go. That's what it's like. It's like, did we mention that Bigfoot comes here? We're like, no. He's like, you seen a bigger ball than this no well no it's like did we mention the bigfoot comes here we're like no he's like yeah he does and uh that's his favorite tree and it's just like everyone's like taking a picture of like the tree it's weird i think i told you rory but whenever i was in uh joshua tree i was actually talking

about it earlier today but um you know know, big, like, UFO paranormal community in Joshua Tree, very small population. And a gentleman called the Space Cowboy was telling me about the location of a time machine. It was like a 15-minute drive. The time machine, unfortunately, was closed that day. Oh, no. So me and my girlfriend could not visit.

Gutted. And we looked it up online. It is very famous. It's very beautiful from what I can see. Gorgeous construction was built quite a few years ago now. Or in the future. It was in the 1920s at the time. Unfortunately, it was 2017, so we couldn't go see it.

It's in an appointment. He'll be back any second, maybe. But it was very, yeah, it was kind of as we're talking about, it was quite convenient that the man who built it supposedly never finished it. So I don't believe it's ever traveled time. It's mostly used for like yoga retreats currently. So you can very much time travel in an emotional sense, but maybe not physical, which I thought was quite convenient.

I love if you go in and it is a yoga retreat, but everyone's in Victorian-age garments. Oh, well, shit. You should have f***ed with people. That's really good. Or they're like, if you're looking for Yelp reviews, the thing is it can only send people back.

It doesn't bring them forward. So you don't have a computer. And if you see any bad ones it's because it didn't work that time and people are pissed but so we only get bad reviews unfortunately

Yelp is f***ing us in that way to be honest we're waiting we keep sending like things in people's pockets going when you go back

to Victorian London make Yelp make Yelp now mother f***er they're uh lynched for witchcraft day one so very few returns on that unfortunately we are having a problem give us a guy a smartphone sends it back in time and it's like when you get there make yelp yeah okay got it got it goes back in time the guy takes out a history book yeah list of wizards killed. All of them were screaming

Yelp as they died. He's like, shit! List of wizards killed. Within an hour of meeting them. They're like, shit. He's like, murdered 50 wizards. He's also like, where did I get this book? List of wizards killed?

I'm just imagining the book is like So he's also like, where did I get this book? Lists of wizards killed? Yeah. What are you doing? I'm just imagining the book is like, so you can spot a wizard by their Nike trainers and clean clothes. The tick of the wizard. It's like after they kill three Yelp wizards, then they're just like, if someone comes here talking about Yelp, that means wizards.

So that means you gotta kill them. It's like, he's just sending all these people back all the time. One of them managed to escape. He's just like, I've got to go forward in time, kill him, so you can't send any more f***ing wizards back. This time machine's stuck on the shittiest time period ever.

Why can't he only send people back to the peak time of wizard murders? It's like, send him back to any other time. The most suspicious and ignorant time. Couldn't send me back to a peace-loving time of hunter-gatherer tribes.

The thing is, that would be good, but at the same time, he's like, any minute now, we're going to start getting those Yelp reviews and just like he's like any minute now we're gonna start getting those Yelp reviews and just like one man instead it's like

if I was doing it it'd be like one man wrote all these different films it's like is it every single piece

of pop culture was written by Gav Murphy but it's all like written really bad he's like yeah Jurassic Park that was me

Jaws also me actually not the same guy Gav Murphy yeah I also love the idea of someone showing up and he's just like um so uh like I think I've pinpointed the moment in time where um you know there was really a ridge created with me and my ex-wife and I feel like I've just got that second chance and the guy's like yeah click on all the buttons like I feel like I could just you know have that moment I'd make things so different. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. And how do you feel about wizards? So I don't see why that's relevant.

Anyway, make Yelp. Boom. Push the button. Back in time. It's the last thing you want to hear before you're blasted a hundred years in the past. Make Yelp.

You're spiraling through a wormhole. I can't code. All right, back to the ranch. I don't know how you get this back to the ranch. Much like the paranormal world of time travel, things continued to be weird at the NIDS ranch. They've taken over now. They're monitoring everything.

With all these weird things going on, you know cattle mutilations strange altercations to the land humanoid creatures roaming the ranch it's it becomes insane but unfortunately by 2002 the paranormal activity of skinwalker ranch had began to die down oh and i'll be honest with you bob's out of cash uh there were very little return i mean they're capturing a lot of stuff here, but there's not a lot of returns financially in terms of this investment. I don't know what the business model is there.

Yeah, I know. It is a little difficult. So in 2002, Bob decided to move the team out of the property. And still to this day, no one can explain strange occurrences of skinwalker ranch now it is worth mentioning um since 2017 paranormal activity has begun to increase again really at the ranch there's been reported ufo sightings um more strange incidents i think currently it is unoccupied still to this day you can go on maps. You can actually go in person. I believe now there is a,

I don't know who's done this coincidentally, but there is like a parameter that you cannot cross within a certain vicinity of the ranch. Less an orb strike you, Don. Right. But I believe it is unoccupied to this day. Maybe he still owns it, but there's no one stationed there.

I think that's fair. I think it feels like a waste of space, literally a waste of space. I say so, but I mean, are you going to move there? I don't know if that's where you want to lay your head at night or take your dogs. Not dogs, no, we're not taking the dogs there. So obviously, you know, it's a crazy story. Sometimes it's hard

for me to convince kit uh of one of these paranormal instances on a podcast i've given you dozens literally every possible one yeah and i know that can be a little overwhelming especially uh gav it felt like uh you know the goosebumps movie where it's like every bad thing from the goosebumps universe is just happening in this tiny town that's what that feels like it doesn't mean actually now what i would like to know is did this gentleman who occupied it as a researcher bob bob bob did he get any like evidence. You put the papers down. I'm guessing no. You're completely done.

Your beer in hand. Evidence done. That's actually a really interesting story. Okay. I was at. One that you clearly don't need the paper to prompt you for. Look. I was at the office last night.

Printing off. Doing my research. Printing off all these goddamn pages of research. Is that what you're doing when you're there that late? When you're like, oh man, I was in the office till like 11 last night. Your boss is like, Roy is a really hard worker. Do you know what?

Let's promote him. Loves a printer. And we have a website, so I don't know what he's doing. Yeah, we're a digital media company, so not sure about that. Hold your blasphemous tongues for one second, all right? What I do is I get my notes together, I type out what I want to type out,

and then I go, these guys are smart guys. They're good-looking guys. I feel like you're placating us to try and... They've got giant dicks. You're just trying to distract us from the question. Is there evidence? Have you bought a ranch? These guys are going to need some evidence.

Yeah, I know you're right. So I start Googling orbs. I start looking at wolves. And I swear to God, this is a true story. Before I can print one page of evidence. Oh, here we go. The fire alarm goes off in the building. Last night, 11 at night.

No one else is in that building. When I was outside outside i was the only floor that was lit up on the entire building fire alarm goes off did you pull the alarm yes granted but that shouldn't take away from the point i can't believe it worked it did fire alarm showed up and i so i just printed this in like a haste because obviously if the fire truck shows up and i'm the only one that walks out of the building that's not gonna look good with all that evidence just arrest you they're like it's probably him yeah wait what time was this like 11 o'clock yeah which was really scary because it's obviously not a drill no and i don't know what could have caused this

is if there's no one else in the office you were vaping consistently out of stress he does love a vape yes and directly into the fire extinguisher i thought it was an air vent because i don't respect firemen yeah so i had to holy shit even my notes are unfinished i had another paragraph i couldn't uh complete because i just had to leave i went to the shop to um buy uh beers for tonight and fire liars and a disguise come back to finish the job um true story fire alarm went off i couldn't print any evidence i mean you guys go home this is this is a low point i would say of the journalism in this paranormal life podcast i would like to apologize to all our loyal listeners it right now i'm gonna google it i'm gonna google skinwalker ranch the wi-fi is off as well that's how they want to burn it all right hold on hold on hold on what you think if you type

in skinwalker ranch evidence ufo i think if i type UFO. Right. I'll find pictures from Bob and his team. Skinwalker Ranch UFO. Here we go. You're ready to have your minds blown. The first three clips are... You haven't watched it yet. You don't know if our minds are going to be blown. The first three clips are from a film called Skinwalker Ranch.

What? I'm guessing that's not one for families. God, there is so much. I'm just overwhelmed by the evidence here. Just show us anything, I would say. Yeah, it's hard to pick, though. Just one thing. Just one, just anything at all.

It's called, damn, skinwalker ranch worker leaks. What? But it's an hour long. That is... We are strapped for time. So I'll have to write that one off. That music does not sound scientific. Evidence is a little hard to come by, it turns out.

Okay. So as long as we're clear. But if you go to Patreon, you can see the This Paranormal Life research notes for the episode, of which I will post extensive evidence. They're cursed. They're cursed by the fire one so the jury is very much out until the patreon notes go live i'm starting to think you f***ers pulled the alarm that's what i'm starting to think don't do this wrong on us you're getting really paranoid really fast well look this is what in

all of our episodes yeah i pitch a case yeah to uh fellow investigators yeah and at the end we're going to come to a conclusion as to whether or not we believe there is a speck of truth within the mystery it's a good term kit yes sir i mean you first what what do you think in here what are your what's your explanation for all this crazy stuff? I think we've struck upon the most crucial detail of this. There is a lot happening. There is, I would say, too much happening at Skinwalker Ranch. I would have liked to know, I mean, is it wide open as to the causation of this?

I know the Native Americans said it was cursed. That was their particular language. I know in other cases similar to this, people talk about like ley lines and things like that, like part geographical locations where, I don't know, the energy goes crazy and stuff happens. I don't know if something like that is possible. It's very hard to say yes to.

This is kind of like, this is like one of those massive lawsuits where someone is getting sued for like 35 reasons and the judge has to narrow it down and go, okay, let's just pick the most likely one and try and solve that. So I don't know if I can get on. If we haven't any,

if those guys worked there and we don't have any evidence of UFOs, I don't know if i can believe any of that it is a bit weird that the dude sets up essentially a monitoring team apparently day one there's ufos yes and i can't find one picture of any of this it really is also this is his company is like an independent independently funded company yes so presumably there's no gonna there's not gonna be any reason that they would want to withhold evidence from the public that's their sole purpose yeah yeah like i mean if they could they would milk this for all it was worth and what it sounds like is they ran out of money yeah before anything showed up yeah it's a bit suspicious where do you come down sir gav i i love the idea that terry um that bob and his team like he moved like four

best mates in and like anytime you hear of like one of these weird things i always love the friends more than the actual dude doing it like i remember like we're obsessed with this particular like sex robot documentary okay and that really needs elaborating. Anyway, good night everyone. There's a sexual documentary on Netflix called My Sex Robot. And one of the most fast, I've watched that documentary so many times. And one of the most fascinating people is,

this is guy making a sex robot. He has an employee who's helping him make the sex robot. Yeah. Okay. The employee for me is more fascinating than the guy because it's just like what you're not even the guy yeah you're not even the crazy sex robot guy like yeah like you're probably not even banging the robot yeah like what are you getting out of this you're coming in every day it's like why is your lips all the guy's like sorry when you left last night, I f***ed her. I don't know what you thought was going to happen when you left.

You should have made her lip so damn pretty. He told me we were making a T-1000. Stop f***ing the robots. And that's what I think about Bob and his team. I understand Bob because Bob's obviously got a disposable amount of money. Well, he made his fortune by creating Yelp in the 1900s. So that's, you know, but I love the people who have just followed Bob

and just because the people who follow Bob are going to be people like us. Oh, what are you doing right now? Yeah, I've just got a six month contract. I'm going to go with this ranch. What's it called? Skinwalker Ranch. Stop it there.

Do they not have any family or friends who are like, maybe don't move to a haunted ranch in Utah? I think as much as I find that fascinating, I feel like there's so much going on. But then why is so much? You feel like these people must be idiots. If there's so much going on, but then why is so much, like, you feel like these, these people must be idiots. If there's so much going on, that's the thing.

Maybe it's so, in my head now, I'm thinking that it must be true because there is so much going on because if it was false, you wouldn't say everything. Yeah. You'd just be like,

oh, like little bits, you know, oh, it's UFOs in the crop circles. You just stick to one thing. Very rarely do you get people who are just like, you know, everything that's weird, it's UFOs in the crop circles. You just stick to one thing. Very rarely do you get people who are just like,

you know everything that's weird? It's all happening on this ranch. Like you wouldn't do that if you wanted people. It's so unbelievable, yeah. Yeah, if you wanted people to do it. So I'm kind of torn. I think maybe there is something going on there. Well, like one good angle that we always take

when we do this show is investigating not only the situation, but the people. So you look at the people and you think, okay, what could they possibly have to gain by making this up? And we'll have very convincing stories about alien abductions. And then you read that now they've written several books and tour the world telling their story.

This family, they have gone as far as to insist that their names are changed right the retelling of this story because they want to distance themselves as far as possible yeah and after everything that's happened to them but then like they didn't make a book or a movie well there is a movie but it's not involving them but then they could have when you said the family and they moved on the guy was gonna like take over the cattle and stuff yeah in my head what's happened is the cow farming isn't as easy as terry was gonna be so he's being like okay well we need to move off this place but he doesn't want he doesn't want to admit defeat he doesn't want to admit he's a really bad cow farmer so he's just like well the dog's gone so i can can't in good conscience stay here.

I'll be honest. Maybe you want to stay here. Just get the dogs, come back as ghosts and kill us all. That's why we put the bolts on the outside. It's definitely suspicious as well. There's a through line through a lot of paranormal cases where cases seem to pop off in like waves. So this started in the 90s i believe uh it

started with this family in the 90s but as i said but it went through what is cursed apparently in the 1950s entire groups of uh nearby school children and their teachers witnessed ufos passing over the ranch that's true well but i mean this is a good example because the 50s is kind of that was the first wave of like ufo yeah yeah the 90s was kind of cattle mutilations and stuff and then it kind of suspiciously dropped off in the information age until the year of the flat earth 2017 right uh it's kind of weird the way it's gone in waves like that but that doesn't necessarily discount it it's just interesting if you were an alien, why would you come to Earth and stay here? You come for a bit.

You come for a couple of years. You holiday. You f*** around. This is their spring break. They come to Earth, they drain cattle, disintegrate dogs, and then they got to go back up to like,

I don't know, the f***ing space league where they all like have to just, are just bureaucrats. It's really boring. Because it's like on Nibiru, there's like, there's probably like a seven year winter where they're like have to just are just bureaucrats it's really boring because it's like on nibiru there's like there's probably like a seven year winter where they're like nibiru f***ing sucks for that one time so they go hang out in like some nice warm state in in america are you saying

like we're like the purge for aliens yeah it's like right you're not allowed to mutilate any cattle on nibiru but every like seven years every family gets to come allowed to mutilate any cattle on Nibiru. But every, like, seven years, every family gets to come down and mutilate whatever they want. So you, as the chief paranormal investigator on this case, with your career on the line, your reputation on the line, what do you think of this one? It's interesting. Usually with a case, you look at cause and effect,

but we literally have every effect so what no cause no cause uh in terms of the popular explanations we do have the curse um from you know some of the tribes local other people say that there's military bases hidden around the area that would explain explain the, you know, the fluctuation of UFOs. Information just being presented to us, by the way. But like the wolves, what is that? You know, there's so much strange stuff that I don't have an answer. And I think this is it, that no one has an answer. But if you don't have an answer, you think this is it that no one has an answer but if you don't have an answer you can't say it's real it's true you can say it's on good conscience you can't

say it's not real i guess so this is tough because you do have to come down on an answer we always come down on an answer okay do i think there might be something suspicious happening at this ranch something we don't know about nearby around yes do i believe that there's words robot wolves and um aliens to which the likes we are seeing at the minute with the evidence that i could deduct which was none because of the fire extinguisher i have to say no it's my reputation on the line i have to say no i'm sorry well i there was another episode where i think we came down on the conclusion of if you or i were to spend a night in skinwalker ranch would we have a sound night's sleep i don't think so i cannot wait until the day this podcast takes off enough

that it can fund preposterous. I mean, god damn five star unnecessarily luxury trips to these locations. We heard there was a haunting in that f***ing sweet Dubai tower where there's loads of nice hotels and shit. I've only done

one of these podcasts right now. If I, you know, I'm looking at my podcast out one day and I'd be like, Skinwalker Ranch live, and I'm not on Skinwalker Ranch when I see it, I'm going to be pissed. More than fair. Let me tell you.

That's okay. Interesting, obviously just as a fan of this podcast and not a person who's involved in it, is there a case that you guys have investigated that you feel like you could solve? If the two of you went there, is there a case you feel like you could solve? Yeah.

I'd say so, yeah. Like, in a good way, not just go and be like, f*** all happened. Maybe not solve, but... Okay, what's the one then that you would like to go and experience the most? I don't know what yours is.

Don't say like face on the moon or something like that. God. I would like to know if he is in fact real. You're pointing a revolver to your forehead. Yes, that's a really dark patron stretch goal. 20 grand, I'll shoot myself in the f***ing face. And if I survive, you'll get your money back.

The one I would most like to investigate is we covered a case involving ancient aliens. Okay. And the idea that aliens actually visited Earth and, you know,

talked to people and gave them technology and all these things. But essentially, there are these ancient caves in ecuador that apparently is referred to as the metal library right there's an entrance that you swim underwater and you can go into this cave that has all these ancient tablets given by aliens that sounds mental but bear in mind neil armstrong himself with a man journeyed to ecuador to search for this cave right this is a scottish explorer yeah a scottish explorer him and neil armstrong one of the only men to ever leave the gravitational pull of the earth yeah

yeah felt like he had to go look for ancient alien slabs oh he didn't find them he didn't find them unfortunately he did not and uh actually that explorer that I can't remember the name of off the top of my head, but his daughter has actually taken up the mantle of this guy's life, work and everything. Yeah, she's hunting for them now. Maybe we should throw her an email sometime, see what's happening, what's popping. I mean, should we be checking this out? The explorer's got too old. He's like, I can't do it anymore.

So he's like, I'm going to pass the mantle on to his daughter. It's always like, right's like i can't do it anymore so he's like i'm gonna pass the mantle on to his door it's always like right i'm gonna take it but the answer was like no i'm still gonna be doing it mostly myself and she's like yeah you have slowed down quite a lot on the old ecuador tabla so it doesn't feel like they taught me a priority list anymore like whereas me it's my life's work so i need she's like okay I'm gonna go to Ecuador on Saturday Saturday's not good yeah because I am an old man

so actually Ecuador is never good with me at this point it's like the floor is very rocky don't get me wrong love the zimmer frame but I just don't think

it's gonna work out it's like you've got to be really good at diving to the point where and I worry if you dive you're not coming back up I'll be to the moon it's like you went got to be really good at diving to the point where and i worry if you dive you're not coming back i'll be to the moon it's like you went to move ages ago like you i've already seen you in this house

i think you're right though i think like that is if there's like a venn diagram of like the the most potential to be true versus the most life-changing for humanity versus the least explored maybe it maybe is ancient aliens i don't know i mean that one literally came down to they knew the essential like vague location of where the cave was right um and there's hundreds of caves around there, but they just haven't been able to find the precise location. You basically have to pick off the caves one by one. Yeah. Well, they found...

See, in my head, I'm trying to think of like what would be a good podcast for you guys to go and do. But if it's just like... We're in another cave. Day 700. 700th cave.

They're not here. Next cave. All're not here. Next cave. All the bonus Patreon episodes are just cave episodes. The Zoom got really wet in the dive. We're now on iPhone. I am damp. I am cold.

Rory thought he saw aliens on day 75, but unfortunately it turned out to be all the poisonous bugs we've been eating to stay alive out here. It was his own ghastly reflection in the water. He's so malnourished. A massive head, a tiny body.

Gollum'd right up. He's come out like, we're giving up on the caves but unfortunately we're addicted to the mercury in all the pools so now we gotta live in the caves well gav as you said this is your first podcast so i mean what reputation do you have to put on the line and i mean that in the most insulting way possible as a paranormal investigator so not much

granted this is the decision you'll be judged on in the paranormal world for the rest of your life yeah skinwalker wrench yes or no what are we feeling it's a no from me wow that was very blunt

yeah you're crying yeah there's a lot of research related to that yeah you literally told us you gave up researching to go buy beer so that's a shame

unfortunately I think we're chalking it up to three no's yeah who knew you know recently we've had an influx of no's

on this podcast which is a shame because I do want to hit a yes sometime soon that's on us you know we gotta investigate deeper down to the hardcore ones yeah um so hopefully you guys enjoyed this podcast this week's episode of this paranormal life uh thank you so much gav for joining us so

much that was great if you'd like to keep in touch with us we are on twitter at this para life facebook at this paranormal life and we also have on Facebook our secret society that you can join. That's right. Exactly. The Paranormal Secret Society. Tell your friends, get everyone involved, invite them all along,

but also, shh, shut up. Don't tell anyone about it. Gav, where can the lovely people find you on the internet? I'm at Cameragav on Twitter, which is at WelshGav. That's where it translates at.

It's not very, I wish I didn't't have that like i sit next to you at work and i feel like i can it's probably in the hundreds now how many times you've asked me how to spell that yes and uh i am borderline illiterate though which doesn't help i was i was about to say and you're a clever guy so it's uh at-Y-M-R-O-G-A-V. And Gav, how is that spelled? Gav, please, tell the people how to spell it. Come with this Welsh mumbo jumbo, Gav. No, can people find that on Welsh Twitter or regular Twitter? And you actually have two podcasts of your own as well. I do.

I have a podcast called Regular Features, and I have a podcast called Gossip Girl Podcast where I'm watching every episode of Gossip Girl with two very, very patient friends. Paranormal or regular? Are they paranormal friends?

We need more guests is what I'm saying. Hey, they're pretty paranormal, man. Well, thank you so much for joining us for the show. For the next brand new Paranormal Tale, make sure you check us out next Tuesday

on This Paranormal Life. Bye-bye. Bye.