This Paranormal Life - #049 The Toxic Lady: An Unsolved Medical Mystery

Episode Date: February 21, 2018

Gloria Ramirez was admitted to hospital in 1994. Not only did she not make it out alive, but everyone who touched her was brought to the brink of death. It's like a modern curse of Tutankhamun. Thankfully, Kit and Rory are on the case!Support us on Patreon.com/ThisParanormalLife to get access to weekly bonus episodes!Buy Official TPL Merch! - thisparanormallife.com/storeFollow us on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTubeJoin our Secret Society Facebook CommunityIntro music by www.purple-planet.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Do we all have a third eye inside our head for viewing the paranormal dimension? Do babies really come from storks or are they from somewhere more weird and gross? Answers to these questions and more on this episode of This Paranormal Life! Hey! Hey! Welcome back to the podcast. It is Tuesday once again. You're back with your favorite paranormal investigators in the whole wide world. My name is Kit Greer. This guy's name is Rory Powers. How are you doing, Rory?

I'm doing pretty goddamn good. I'm amped up on the paranormal life, the most noble profession that you can chase. And I'm ready to investigate some goddamn ghouls and goblins. I did see you rail a couple lines of some undisclosed substance right before we hit record. Yeah. Nose is bleeding a little bit. We'll just keep trucking. A little bit.

It's all part of it. Let's just get right into it. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I'm seeing ghosts. So if we could get to the fucking chase. Okay. This is the podcast where every week we dissect a different paranormal case,

tale, claim, and we investigate it. Right. And get to the bottom of whether it is real or whether it is false. So, you know, sometimes we take big cases throughout history. Sometimes we take listener submissions fresh off the paranormal griddle. Right. Well, today I've got a relatively recent case. One of the most puzzling cases in medical history.

Whether it is paranormal or not is, quite frankly up to the uh two professional investigators right here in this podcast well said i say we just jump right in i mean you've neglected to mention that we are both wearing sunglasses right so we thought this would be a cool change yeah to the show if we both wore sunglasses we're trialing both wearing sunglasses for the duration of the podcast beginning to end i mean you've immediately pointed out you can't read your laptop anymore i had to put this the brightness on my screen up full and it's still not enough i'm actually wearing blackout shades so i don't even know if you're still in the room, this is a FaceTime. It's February 19th, 1994. Just after 8 p.m., paramedics bust through the doors of Riverside, California General Hospital

with a patient in a wheelchair. The staff at the hospital look at the list of symptoms. Drifting in and out of consciousness, rapid breaths, plummeting blood pressure. Jesus. This should have been a description of an old person, but instead they see a young woman, 31, in a t-shirt and shorts. Jesus. They get her on a bed and start forcing air into her lungs to regulate her breathing,

inject her with a range of drugs to sedate her and bring down her heart rate. I mean, presumably one drug would do that. You wouldn't want a range, right? Weed! Listen, these doctors... We all know what drug takes the edge off. Listen, listen to me. If you're dying,

the doctors, they're going to want to pump you full of all sorts of, you know, big pharma medications. Oh, you know, anti-cancer drugs. Right off the checks. Boom, boom, there's another one. Paracetamol, antibiotics. Bullshit. Yeah.

You best hope you die on that operating table before you live to see the goddamn bill. Oh, what you want. What ideally your doctor busts through that door, ghetto blaster on shoulder, dread swinging, Rasta hat flowing in the breeze and hands you a couple j's the only drugs you need on the house because if it's a if it's a damn american doctor the only drug i want from him is arsenic yeah to end it listen oh the big pharma are you kidding me are

you kidding me whenever i go to to the GP with a cold. Which is daily. You've been doing that daily. You think being cold is a cold. Yeah, I do. He has to just make you cocoa. I really do. And then you leave. I disagree with him a lot about this.

I really feel a cold coming on, Doc. I really do. He says, it's August. It's legit 25 degrees centigrade outside. You're wearing shorts, so I don't know what you're talking about. And I say, Coco, Papa, I need Coco. I'm not your father. To get at her...

Sorry. So we got a woman. We got a young woman in the hospital. A young woman in the hospital. Just busted through into A&E. To get at her heart, they took off her shirt, So we got a woman. We got a young woman in the hospital. A young woman in the hospital just busted through into A&E. To get at her heart, they took off her shirt, but her skin had a weird residue on it.

She smelled oddly of garlic. Okay. They just think she's eating garlic bread. She's been at the Pizza Hut. She's got some garlic bread, maybe some garlic pizza, maybe the garlic dip if we're going really crazy with garlic bread with garlic dip or that's the two for tuesdays special i don't think that's what two for tuesdays means what it's pizza you get two i thought it was two pizzas you get double the garlic no it's absolutely not

double the garlic is that why you smell this way yeah okay that explains so much yeah twice the garlic for thrice the price that's more expensive by the way yeah they figured she just eaten something garlicky so they didn't pay much attention to this but they couldn't help but notice her skin also had a moist oily sheen as they tried to attach electrodes to her to defibrillate her heart you know whenever you eat like something oily maybe you're eating garlic bread with garlic sauce how do you eat pizza sir rub it on my chest good god because if you've got a cold the best thing for a cold is hot garlic but you're supposed to eat it not just rub it on your skin why would i do that eat the why would

you eat food are you kidding me so yeah her skin was covered in a weird oily sheen. That is weird. They pulled out her arm to insert a syringe for a catheter. Blood filled the syringe slowly, and one doctor thought something was odd. There was another smell, but not garlic this time. This time it was like a harsh chemical smell. She leaned in slowly towards the needle to work out if this was her blood or the instruments themselves. She passed it to her colleague. What do you think of this?

They nodded. Said it smells like chemotherapy. Not only that, but as she leaned into the syringe, she could swear there was something floating in the blood, but there couldn't be. Then someone yelled, Catch her! One of the doctors collapsed but was caught before they hit the ground jesus what they were completely limp but had just enough life to say my face is burning gosh they got her on a stretcher as fast as they could and into a care unit another nurse in the room said that she felt ill. Well, because of what have happened or well, okay,

just go take a seat in the hall. We'll be fine here. But just as another member of staff followed her to see if she was okay, she collapsed onto the floor. It was like there was a chain reaction. Another member of staff collapsed as the first went into shock. She was starting and stopping breathing repeatedly. The hospital ordered an evacuation of everyone but the essential staff to try and keep the woman alive. They ran outside as more and more of them were starting to feel sick. What was happening? The woman, Ramirez, as she was known, was battling for her life. No matter what they did, they just couldn't keep her blood pressure up.

Her heart was getting weaker and weaker as they used shock after shock and staff standing around her using any drug they could to stabilize her but it wasn't enough and she was pronounced dead around nine o'clock but the night was just beginning staff in the car park didn't just feel sick their skin was burning they were they were writhing around screaming and retching like they were trying to throw up and those who weren't affected assumed there was some kind of gas or chemical causing it so the affected were stripped onto their underwear in case it was on their clothes alright that's my kind of party what the chemical burning no the underwear parts

actually kind of weird that you you know that you associated this with like having fun or something I heard no pants dance and i got excited no one said no pants so i heard sex party in the car park and i got excited no it's a hospital of really sick people actually right really sexy people i think you're just hearing what you want to hear yeah i am cool so how have i noticed what are we talking about baseball or something welcome back to this baseball life. You think it's a completely different podcast? Sorry, let's wait now for a minute.

What is this? Monopoly? So now you don't know what a podcast is? I feel like you don't even know what you like at this point. I like this. I like this now. And this is birthday? Where'd you put the D&D dicend dice roy you need to stop rolling a six for dexterity sunglasses on nighttime outside i love summer we need to investigate you so people are freaking out people are freaking out bearing in mind the people i'm talking about

who are screaming writhing retching naked in this car park are the staff. This is no joke in my head. There is patients in the car park who are like, bro, I need my bloods taken. And the doctors are freaking out over here. If the doctors are freaking out, that's a bad sign. I know last week we talked about how bad it is to have a witch doctor for a doctor. Right. What if your doctor is in his boxers

screaming and throwing up in a car park and you're watching this from the third floor of your intensive care unit and you're pressing the little buzzer. You can see it lighting up in his pocket and he's just grabbing his face. Like, I feel like he's in pain, but don't want to know what to do about it isn't that a thing though like uh you know the doctors are supposed to remain calm regardless

of the situations so someone comes in and and you know they're going through something really horrible they're not going to make it the doctor will be like all right we just checked out i'm gonna go have a little word with the nurses yeah and then um you know the doctor leaves like shuts the door quietly and then turns it's like he's he is gone it's like a it's like i think that's like a professional thing to be cool but this is so you're saying this is so intense that they're breaking protocol more than a little they are they're breaking protocol i mean is it too much to say they should all be fired honestly at this point i think they should just be able to man up honestly like the head of the hospital just showed up that time he's like i'm letting you all go you've you've

showed your hands you're weak six people running around throwing up bleeding out their tear ducts i just feel like you guys aren't even trying at this point i feel like you've really phoned it in You guys aren't even trying at this point. I feel like you've really phoned it in. Dr. Murphy, playing dead will get you nowhere. Dr. Murphy? Thankfully, all of these staff survived. But some ended up being hospitalized for weeks,

suffering from myriad health problems. In one case, someone's bones were actually starved of blood, causing the tissue to die off. Bones need blood? Apparently. I thought they just were. Yeah, like, they're like rocks. Yeah, they just are us. They just are there.

So if I were to, like, sorry for interrupting, but just hypothetically, if I were to drink more blood, you're saying I'd become stronger? So you said drink more blood. Do you drink any blood? A little. Right. Just the regular amount. Which is? A tablespoon. An hour.

Every hour. That's what's on your desk right now. I assume that was like a decanter for wine. No. That's actually. No, I have a couple bottles up here. Where's it from? These ones?

Uh-huh. My own body. Where's it from? These ones? Uh-huh. My own body. There's multiple. A couple bottles here of the old blood. Wow. So, yeah, I didn't want to ask, but your legs are very withered. Yeah. Yeah.

Can you walk anymore? No, not currently. But I think if I drink a bit more of my own blood, I'll get the strength. So you think you're going to get more strength by drinking your own blood? Yeah. By draining yourself and then drinking it back? Yeah. Growing stronger, like you said.

Didn't you say something about bones? So it's not, you haven't even got the vampiric thing of like, you think you can, you need strength from other beings. You just think you can do it with yourself. Other beings actually make me pretty weak. I've actually been beaten up a couple of times by these other beings actually make me pretty weak uh i've actually been beaten up a couple times by these other beings you speak of uh yeah ever heard of recycling yes that's what i'm doing that's not what recycling is you know what you know what you watched like the first

five seconds of al gore's ted talk i think i know what I have to do. You handsome vampiric bastard. I'm going to follow in your footsteps and save this planet. My carbon footprint is invisible because I have tiny little skeleton feet. Well, when the investigators heard of these symptoms, they had a good idea of the kind of chemicals would be involved. You know, there's organic gases and compounds out there that can make you drown in your own blood. Ever heard of chemical warfare?

Turns out some gases are actually pretty bad. Mustard gas. Yeah, mustard gas. Sounds delicious, but no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. You think you would season a nice steak, a nice filet mignon with some mustard gas and salt gas and pepper gas. But it turns out pepper spray and mustard gas are not welcome in restaurants.

Not the fine dining establishments I like to frequent. As I found out. Yes. When they showed up in hazmat suits to check out the damage, they just couldn't find any traces in the hospital room of these chemicals. Certainly not in the volumes required to wreak that much havoc. Okay, okay. But this didn't mean the room was safe. You know, Ramirez's body was-

Booby traps. Is that what you're implying? What? Like a f***ing- You said there weren't toxic levels, but the room isn't safe. Right. So booby traps why like spikes and shit so some in like you think it's like an indiana jones temple well you said the room wasn't safe california riverside if i'm wrong say i'm wrong and we'll move on

unbelievably wrong fine i mean you mentioned booby traps. The place was not booby trapped. But, you know, the place did have some kind of Tutankhamun curse vibes. Because the thing is, if you don't know what's caused this damage, that's kind of even scarier. Because these guys are going in there. They don't know if this is some sort of rare pathogen, some parasitic flesh-eating disease. They actually had to recover Ramirez's body using a sealed aluminium crate. That's how seriously they took this.

You know, they were hazmat suited up. Yeah. And of course, by this point, the story was news all over the country. But none of this attention brought the researchers any closer to the truth. They started enlisting the help of experts from all different disciplines. Disciplines like karate, jiu-jitsu, to kick and punch the body as hard as they could, but they found nothing. A lot of them actually got pretty burned.

They brought in Hoist Gracie, legendary jiu-jitsu master, to armbar the nerd doctors into telling them the truth. Many broken arms later they were no closer. Till Irish legend Conor McGregor stepped up to the plate. Tell me the fucking antidote. Tell me it. I'm the king of the hospital. There is no antidote. What are you talking about? You're just confused and angry. Taking elbows to the face on the ground. Oh! Ow! Shit! Say I'm the king of the hospital. Say it!

Punch him in the face. Why did we get him to help? Who hired you? This was a terrible idea. Yeah, they actually brought in one lab that were, like, there's some high-level labs that, you know, would have done work on chemical weapons back in the Dizzee. So they hired these kind of people.

And they determined that while Ramirez didn't have any deadly neurotoxin substances in her at the time of death she did have a cocktail of pharmaceutical narcotics such as anti-nausea medications codeine tylenol you name it she had it wasn't that everything they just pumped into her that was a really worrying look you just gave me there. You hadn't thought of that before. They were putting in, I don't know the names of these things, because I guess I didn't research them. They were giving her drugs to stabilize her heartbeat,

stabilize her breathing, things like that. Not like painkillers like she had in her. Basically, the coroner had nothing to go on at this point. And officially, they announced her death to be kidney failure connected to an underlying cervical cancer. Oh, I'm sorry, guys. In what day and age does kidney failure cause the evacuation of a hospital and people to get degenerative bone disease? This is what I like to hear. This is ramp up that paranormal passion, buddy.

You got this. I's what I'm saying. I'm getting riled up. It doesn't matter. I've done that up. The county health department called in California's Department of Health and Human Services who put two top scientists on the case. Doctors

Ana Maria Osorio and Kirsten Waller. Cool names. I trust them already. Here's the wallet and my keys to the car. Do what you have to do. You have nothing to do with this. This happened, you were three when this happened. Pass on the message.

Godspeed. What? Pass it on to them. Just let them know I'm rooting for them, okay? Okay. All right. This case is like, I know I'm saying all this like it's just happened just half life this happened like in the mid 90s it really did it's at what what year do you think it is currently 2000 it's 2000 and years all right i don't know the specifics numbers are

for nerds you know here it is it's the year i score the winning touchdown and make out with the cheerleader that's what the goddamn year is you're 40 you're 40 you're already balding and you drink your own blood can't walk i don't know how you're gonna score any touchdowns your legs are shriveled to shit years 2000 i don't know the specifics i'm not the big numbers kind of guy it's perfect with sunglasses i'm more of an idea free throw i'm a big picture guy big picture department of health and human services these two top docs they interview 34 hospital staff you know for their accounts of what went on of course they found some unusual links

such as women were slightly more likely to be affected than men for example a disproportionate amount of the people affected hadn't eaten dinner that night. So weird little links. Right, yeah, little things like that. The conclusion they came to was that the hospital staff most likely experienced an outbreak of mass

sociogenic illness, perhaps triggered by an odor. In other words, flipped out. They were all stressed and anxious and they convinced themselves that they were being sick right when i cut onions i cry whenever you cut carrots you cry too yeah i'm an emotional guy don't shame me for it yeah but maybe these guys maybe garlic makes them sad yeah maybe that's what it is i'm just gonna come on and say it because i don't feel comfortable saying this.

This is rude. They suggested that evidence for this theory is the fact that women were more likely to suffer severe symptoms, the hallmark signs of a mass hysteria. I trusted these guys. Yeah. I didn't know they were sexist assholes.

Two top docs. I'm calling them out right now. All right. Paranormal Nation, please, docs. assholes two top docs i'm calling them out right now all right paranormal nation please docs anna maria sorio and kirsten waller okay by all means drain their ethereum wallets that's so not cool not cool especially for a in a professional level it's so ridiculous so i'm getting riled up again i like i just want to point out that i think what this shows more than anything is that the coroner put this down to kidney failure right top docs of the california

department of health said that this was just a mass hysteria that caused people to get bone illnesses and vomit and have burning flesh i think what this shows you is everyone is just clutching at straws looking for an excuse and they're just pen pushers just want to write away this case so you can just move on to the next one oh we you know whatever all those people fell ill but listen no one died let's just move apart from ramirez she died granted but let's just move on with this a couple people actually died in the car park as well outside ramirez actually came back to life pretty pretty sharp and actually took out a couple more took them with her yeah of course the staff that

had necrosis in their joints and couldn't walk for months said that this was bs and actually sued the hospital but this got me thinking this is kind of interesting about the idea of like a mass sociogenic illness it it seems rude, but is it possible? Has it ever happened? Well, I was researching on scap toy calm and they were giving me some examples So during the 1990 Gulf War when the first Iraqi Scud missile struck Sounds like slang for a shit Yeah, when the first scud missiles were striking israel for up to 40 percent of nearby civilians reported symptoms consistent with a gas attack there was no chemical warhead

inside that missile so kind of interesting i mean okay it's kind of funny because we are like wildly speculating as to what a scud is yeah and like this is what happened they didn't really know so they kind of assumed the worst and reported these symptoms for example in belgium in 1999 hundreds of school children fell ill after drinking a batch of coca-cola but whenever and obviously parents feared the worst government feared the worst but whenever they looked into it nothing was found to be wrong with the beverage all the kids had like completely fine bloods and they all i guess were fine after a while and the only thing that the researchers could put it down to was a mass sociogenic illness that all of these people had convinced themselves to be ill

that's so weird though i mean the placebo effect is a very powerful thing yeah some people believe it's all it's all mental and you can think away uh illnesses yes by like positive energy and positive thinking yes which is garbage right obviously it is probably important to clarify that yeah because you know what the best medicine is laughter of course it's obviously i don't think that you can think away things. I think you can laugh away things. Exactly. I once got shanked in a park. I was close to death. So I went home and watched a Vine compilation on YouTube and laughed myself to sleep. Granted, I woke up in the hospital when my landlord found me passed out. In an alley. It turns out I didn't

make it to the bed. It was a soft pile of garbage. I watched it on my phone. But one researcher did come to a pretty interesting and convincing theory. Say if it's you now, before we get into the next paragraph. He was handsome, tall, mysterious, hung like a hog. It started with the oily sheen we heard about earlier okay someone started hypothesizing what could this have been that ramirez was covered in and they started looking at her other underlying illnesses she had cervical cancer right so apparently i didn't really know about this but there is a um topical substance that athletes used to use back in the day for i think pain relief inflammation relief

called dmso and you would apply this to your skin and it would cause sort of pain relief locally people with all sorts of pain diseases i guess like arthritis cancers things like this they find it very useful to apply this can rub magic cream on their bodies and it makes them feel better the drawback and the reason that it is not really used today is apparently it changes the shape of your eye what what so it's not really recommended even if you put it on like your kneecap apparently exposure to this chemical can change the lens of your eye which doesn't sound good how weird like lizard eyes or laser vision makes you see the truth okay that's why they don't want us to so roy take this tub and i want you to start using

this shit twice a day i'm just putting it right up my nostrils honestly just try to get as close to my brain as possible because i've used um the like uh what's that heat stuff that you can rub on your fire yeah i've used um fire before to kind of cleanse woos it does some pretty weird shit to your eyes as well mainly burns them yeah i've tried harissa shiracha chalula honestly pretty much all the kind of pain relief topical medications really and they all sting like hell um my dick is permanently red now was that the point of pain the irony is it looks like a chili was your dick the thing that was sore it's one of those things where it's like oh my neck was really killing me so to take the edge off i put some sriracha on my balls forgot about that neck pain in one second because i was passed out so dmso is not prescribed it is not advised it is ill-advised but doesn't stop people from wanting

to use it people who have cancer you know they are very desperate and i think it's very cheap and easily available i think it has multiple kind of uses other than just pain relief so it's easy to get and so people still do use it this was hypothesized that maybe ramirez had been using this yeah this is interesting because listen quick disclaimer i'm a paranormal investigator right not a chemist don't listen to a word i. Because I read the spark notes of this case. As far as I understand, there are analogs of DMSO that just exposure to a tiny amount of can kill a person.

Now... Why are people rubbing this on their body? This sounds like a terrible idea. These are analogs. These are chemically completely different. Just very similar. These are athletes.. These are chemically completely different. Just very similar. These are athletes. They are insane.

They will do whatever it takes to be the best. Even if that means dying. If you're trying to add that extra two inches to your high jump, yes, you're going to take deformed eyes. Yes, you're going to take the potential of dying. It's like making a deal with the devil you know or like monkey paw we were like oh i wish i could uh uh you know high jump a little bit higher and win gold at the olympics and then you oh you can get that but now you can only jump everywhere yeah yeah you can't move anymore that's what people don't know about mo farah you know people think

mo farah you know legendary british athlete that is, they think he's like a hero. A wholesome. And that he worked his whole life and he built his way up to that. Nope. Monkey paw. Are you kidding me? Monkey pawed the shit out of that. He literally.

I used to know him. He's a f***ing couch potato. Yeah. You hear me? All of them were. Literally every Olympic athlete at one point or another had a monkey paw. Yeah, that's it. I mean, everyone competing right now their condition was they said i want to be an olympic athlete and the monkey paw was like yeah okay we'll make that happen but you're gonna be a winter olympic

athlete they're like no and now they're cursed just be cold for a living it's so true and so this particular researcher worked out that and listen i'm not a nerd i'm not going to get into too crazy details but they believe that by some combination of the cocktail of drugs that ramirez had taken by the cocktail of drugs that was injected into her on the hospital bed applying applying DMSO straight onto her skin. There's a lot of drugs going on here. The electric shocks that were applied to her chest just to try and bring her back to life. This was the chemical laboratory

for creating a dangerous DMSO analog that became airborne and that poisoned the entire hospital i can get behind this because there it sounds like from the story there is a lot of drugs going on here there's a lot of chemicals a lot of chemicals and yeah that she's taken that have been injected onto her that have been rubbed on her body and then all of those being mixed together and then blasted with lightning you know what lightning does it brings things to life. We've all seen Frankenstein, okay? Yeah, yeah.

It is alive. That's what he says when he pulls that motherf***er and brings germs to the earth. That's it. You don't need to have gone to Paranormal Oxbridge to know that lightning brings shit to life. It's common sense, common knowledge. This is very interesting.

Oregon State toxicologist frank dost says that this is a really clever piece of detective work it would seem to me that this would take a hell of a lot of dmso but in that stage of fighting for a life ramirez really might have overloaded on it that he he's kind of saying yeah this could be this is a professional toxicologist thing this could be possible however is that you know uh close the book on this one shut case no because as i found in my research many organic chemists have uh spoken up uh and written about this and they completely disagree and say and say that this theory is chemically impossible,

that just the quantities required. I mean, this takes us a little bit back to last week's episode. We were talking about the quantities of poison required to turn someone into a living zombie. It was completely impossible to extrapolate from rats to humans. And that's what these organic chemists are saying. Yes, in a lab, lab on paper you could combine different chemicals to create a dangerous dmso analog but it would not be possible under these circumstances the probability of it actually coming to fruition would be almost impossible

their opinion is that this cannot explain anything and the experts involved are simply trying to tie up the case and i hate to this to everyone, but this is where the story lies. Damn it! This is one of the greatest sort of modern medical mysteries. We're left with all these unanswered questions. And the people involved, the coroner has signed off saying, oh, it's kidney failure. The California Department of Health saying that everyone had a panic attack these toxicologists are saying it was dmso poisoning but no one even agrees on that did the people

who were injured in the hospital actually have physical injuries that were diagnosed when they were saying like my face is burning i believe uh out of the 30 something staff that were on that night at least two-thirds experienced symptoms. A small minority of those had lasting physical injuries, such as the woman that had degeneration to her knee joints and couldn't walk for months. Jeez. And these were the women that went on to sue the hospital.

So there were a small amount of people who were permanently damaged by this. she get money did they win the case i don't know i could find out but in fact did you know judges are actually normal sized humans and the hammer is small what did you know that i thought they were really big and that was a normal hammer let's get up and I didn't hear that This stupidest thing you could think of and then being like what's all the way in Iran? Let's keep going All right. Wow Christ man. Is it on here? Did you know that when someone looks through a Magnifying glass It's actually an optical illusion.

Their eye actually isn't really big. I thought they could actually see shit bigger because their eye got bigger. Yeah, yeah, I thought it transformed their eye too. It was like, yeah, me too, man, me too. We're fine on that one. It's actually crazy. That was like an Uber fact, I think.

I think I saw that in Uber facts. No way. I just read something. I'm wondering whether it's worth breaking up. It was classified as a hoax in looking there i did see the original la times article from 94 regarding this quite interesting because just lots of theories floating around and people bringing up even the fact that the hospital had in 1991 and 92 had had chemical leaks to do with chemicals used for like sterilization

so they were kind of hypothesizing there's you know is this something that could have just come out of an air vent at the wrong time or i think we're really no closer to any concrete solutions right or conclusions so you know immediate thoughts what do you think of this case this is a weird one you know because it's not like someone says they got abducted or you know someone says they saw something or they're being haunted it's it's people actually having their skin burnt and i don't know i don't really have an answer for that i don't know you investigated it well what's your what's your vibe she was abducted by alien grace.

That seems to be your answer to a lot of questions this week. And implanted with, you might remember from the case of black helicopters. Oh, God. Wasn't that the one we said wasn't real? No. I believe that's what you said because you're a dumbass the black helicopters if you remember they they um reproduce in kind of nano crystals inside the blood blood supply i remember you telling me this cause yeah uh and if you'll recall from the beginning of this story one of the nurses treating ramirez was a helicopter

was actually unbeknownst to everyone else was a helicopter in scrubs i swear to god if you actually go back and re-watch seasons one to four of scrubs a lot of the extras in the background are actually if you look closely it's a helicopter they're all helicopters it's true and if you remember the nurse noticed um small particles inside this the blood yeah yeah don't say what you're about helicopter nano diamonds from another alien planet you're just staring at me now with sunglasses on i can't even tell if you're looking at me or not so creepy i just started snoring how did you fall asleep this quickly you lost interest in yourself uh i just wanted to you know throw that i'm just playing devil's advocate over here because i just want to illustrate this is a paranormal podcast and there are paranormal theories behind the story of Gloria Ramirez.

Right. But what is, so what is the, because we need a yes or a no to a question. Okay. So what is the question that you were posing for us on this episode? causes that spread out and infected the other people in the ward via some maybe alien pathogen via some tootin common like curse right um maybe she'd done a lot of bad shit in her life and it caused some sort of regular reactions yeah or is is none of what i'm saying true and this was simply the result of some sort of rational chemical reaction that is just not yet understood.

I mean, the fact that you just pointed out this hospital has had two incidents in the past involving dangerous chemical leaks, that seems like something you should have brought up. I'm a little worried that you just discovered that while we were recording the podcast. I went deep on the abduction thing and then i decided to read the actual news articles i think as a paranormal investigator there's not enough uh suspicion here to imply that there is anything paranormal about this case

does that mean i can explain it absolutely not um but i think the answer here at the very heart of this incident is a rational one um that exists within the realms of normal not paranormal thoughts you're a man in black i knew it i knew those shades suited you i transform into a helicopter and shoot out the window what you're saying makes sense okay i think you're probably right here okay i think there is enough reasonable doubt as to the safety of this hospital to there's enough um sort of doubt in terms of all the multifarious chemicals involved that there are maybe chain reactions happening so i think we're just gonna have to come down

on a no for today i think it's gonna be a no paranormal things going on here damn god damn not again well a pretty fascinating case and pretty fascinating that it actually still eludes people to this very day as a medical mystery yeah i like those these these unsolved mysteries so if you have any of your own hot takes in this case you can send them right into this paranormal life podcast at gmail.com remember to hit us up on the socials. That's at thisparalife on Twitter, facebook.com forward slash thisparanormallife. And if you want to go even deeper into these cases, the show notes for every episode can be found on patreon.com forward slash thisparanormallife. What is Patreon, you ask?

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