This Paranormal Life - #107 The Most Haunted Object in the World

Episode Date: April 9, 2019

We've covered a lot of haunted objects on this podcast - haunted dolls, haunted houses, haunted boats... but now it's time to investigate what is believed to be the most haunted object on the entire planet, the Dybbuk Box.Support us on Patreon.com/ThisParanormalLife to get access to weekly bonus episodes!Buy Official TPL Merch! - thisparanormallife.com/storeFollow us on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTubeJoin our Secret Society Facebook CommunityIntro music by www.purple-planet.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What happens if you throw a boomerang into a black hole? Do you really have to sleep? All of these questions you can find the answer to on This Paranormal Life! Welcome, welcome, humble listeners to this episode of This Paranormal Life, the weekly podcast where every week we investigate a brand new paranormal tale and come to a conclusion as to whether or not it is true or it is false. I'm going to be your host for this week, Rory Powers, joined by my best pal and my paranormal colleague, Kit Greer. Welcome to the show, Kit.

Ahooga! Glad to be here. Are you excited to adventure down Paran down paranormal avenue it's been a whole week what can i say i'm jonesing over here you're getting you need that hit you need you got to get that paranormal high it's been seven whole days since i've heard something up and i'm turning into a normie over here well i am actually really excited that i'm going to be able to fulfill that promise and bring you something truly quite scary really we don't do a lot of genuinely creepy stories on this podcast you know because we like to keep keeping in line with the comedy aspect as well yeah we got to hit that demo but today that demo yeah we're going for the ghouls not the girls this was a listener submission from uh i believe i'm it's pronounced

vian and wayne vian and wayne uh they emailed in saying hey rory and kit my husband is a great big fan of yours who's introduced me to the podcast and encouraged me to write in now they asked us to investigate something called the dibbock box which I discovered is rumored to be possibly the most cursed object on the planet. Whoa. So we've covered a couple of cursed things in the past before. Yeah. Robert, the cursed doll. Yeah, he was pretty cursed.

The cursed Blue Hope diamond. Yep. Also cursed. I mean, I think that cursed royalty. I think we claimed that it cursed the entire continent of north america yeah there's some big shoes which is pretty pretty cursed because i'm pretty sure at one point robert the doll came to life and tried to strangle someone yeah so already i don't you've got big shoes the bar is very very high not big shoes to fill because

i think robert was like an inch tall tiny tiny tiny you got big booties to fill with this story you got giant i think that was his words giant doll-sized booties yes like a care bears uggs like care bears timbs all right let's let's dive right in our story begins with an anti-collector named kevin manis who lived in portland oregon in 2001 manis was visiting an estate sale looking for some new objects to join his growing collection right on now if you didn't know an estate sale uh is when someone passes away and their leftover personal belongings are sold right okay that makes sense yeah i guess maybe they weren't given away i guess maybe they weren't

given away in the will they weren't you know delegated to anyone in particular so they're kind of just sold you know most people they uh leave their belongings to another family member but whenever you're like a 800 year old vampire that lives in a giant mansion and no one really knows where you came from or how old you are and you don't have any living relatives because they died thousands of years ago yeah um there's nowhere for that to go so yeah they got to get rid of it exactly at the sale he came across a strange looking box it had a simple design but manis could tell by the wear of the wood that this thing was pretty old so he took a risk and purchased the box after doing some research he discovered that he had bought the box from a woman who was a Holocaust survivor

and who had escaped to Spain where she purchased the box before immigrating to the United States. So there's a bit of history behind this thing. Little bit, little bit. This isn't just a piece of driftwood that washed up somewhere. This is, you know, it's got some lore. It didn't come from walmart we've established that it didn't come from the united states of america it came from europe where things are much much older and much more cursed yeah so after learning about how special this thing was kevin managed to get in contact with the woman's granddaughter and offered to give the box back to the family but the granddaughter simply replied we

don't want it she told him the box had been kept in her grandmother's sewing room and she never let anyone open it weird yeah creepy huh weird enough to get approached by a stranger and being like you know what i mean that's a weird conversation to have wait weird for who weird for him to talk to her about it or weird. Wait, weird for who? Weird for him to talk to her about it or weird for her to not want the box back? Weird for him to talk to her about it, I think. I think that's quite a nice gesture. I think it was thoughtful, but I just imagine he explains the whole situation.

You know, now I'm calling her, she's like, you want the box back? And she's like, I'm sorry, who the f*** are you again? I'm just a guy. Kevin Mannis. Never heard of him. Hello? It's maybe only weird to me because we don't know what's in it yet.

Yeah. Well, we're about to find out. Oh, here we go. Kevin opened the box. Of course. Did he do this before or after offering to give it back? He goes to the girl's house. He's like, I just assumed you guys might want it. She like that's really thoughtful thanks she opens it up wow a million dollars

god damn it i also love the idea of kevin trying to be like quite courteous at the start where he's like hey i know this is a family heirloom i thought you guys might want to hang on to it um she's like no it was my grandmother's and she never opened it so i think we'll respect her wishes and just keep that uh keep that out of our lives all right cool smashes it open like a piggy bank in her living room like her grandmother's jewelry goes flying everywhere he shattered it to pieces it was a mixture of jewelry her grandmother's ashes scrapbooks of memories he's like's ashes. Scrapbooks of memories. He's like, you're right.

It was full of shit. Well, inside the box, Kevin wrote that he found two 1920s pennies, a lock of blonde hair bound with a cord, a lock of black hair bound with a cord, a small statue, a golden wine goblet, with a cord a small statue a golden wine goblet one dried rosebud and a candle holder with four octopus shaped legs oh god uh a mixed bag let's say yeah so the two pennies is probably like should we just strike that off it's the least remarkable thing in there yeah then that's not that weird then the hair gets into kind of...

I think one lock of hair is like, okay, that's like my grandkids. That was like a lock of hair from when they had beautiful blonde hair when they were a baby. Yeah. Multiple locks of hair. Yeah, you're edging into the weird zone.

I think that gets you into just on the edge of the weird zone, which the golden goblet with octopus legs very much knocks into the realm of weird. Yeah, that's the equivalent of finding a little jar of teeth alongside all of these objects. Yes, yes. Yeah.

Now, Kevin was originally going to completely refinish the box, but learning about its history, he decided it would be better just to clean and polish it as he figured that the finished product would make a great gift for his mother. No, no, it wouldn't. Well, I guess maybe the box is nice. I think it has some carvings in it.

It better be a really f***ing nice box. How about just go with chocolates and flowers, like a normal f***ing human being? This is something special. You know, maybe you can take out all the weird octopus candle and the hair, maybe. Or maybe she's into hair. I don't know what she's into. I think it's a nice, it's a unique gift at least well her birthday came around and kevin's mother came to the store

where kevin gave her the gift a beautifully restored antique box kevin's other brothers got her like a car got her like a pearl necklace yeah and he And he's like, hello, mother. Oh, Jesus, it's Kevin again. I'm comparing gifts, mother. We told you not to come this year. Not after the shit you pulled last year, Kevin. Oh, but I've come to redeem myself. No. It's like, why does Kevin talk like this?

His dad doesn't talk like this. His brothers don't talk like this. He's from Baltimore. His brother's a doctor. His sister's a lawyer. Are you talking about me again? He gives his mom the box. But all of a sudden, Kevin's phone starts ringing. Oh, I'm sorry, mother. I have to take this. No one can leave. I'll be back in one second. Don't come back. Halfway through his phone call, an employee runs over to him out of breath. Kevin, something's wrong with your mother.

He ran back to his mother and found her sitting still in a chair, expressionless and crying. What? He called her name, but she was completely unresponsive. I mean, we knew it was a bad gift, but this is kind of an overreaction. Yeah, it's taking the piss, really. Kevin decided to rush her into hospital, where doctors told him she had actually suffered from a stroke. For a short period of time, she'd actually lost the ability to speak. During this period, she communicated using a spellboard to point to letters and spell out words.

I think the term spell board here refers to like an actual piece of medical equipment. It's not like a wooden board with spells. It's not a Ouija board. It's not a Ouija board. There's no spells like carved into it. It's for spelling. When doctors at the hospital asked how she was doing,

she spelled out the words, no gift. What? Like I said, we knew it was a bad gift but she had some pretty strong feelings about this yeah kevin explained to the doctors he had just given her a birthday present that day and she responded by spelling hate gift kevin kevin disappointment like she took a like that's a big word. You could tell she meant it because she was spelling that thing for 20 minutes. Kevin go back to college. Well, what do you do with this box now? Nobody wants it. Kevin tried to give the box. He should have never got it in the first place. Just throw it in the trash. You don't want to throw a box like

this in the trash. Oh my God. There's so many old boxes in the world. Who cares? This one's got history. You can't just throw away. The family didn't want it. They're the only people on earth in the trash oh my god there's so many old boxes in the world who cares this one's got history you can't just throw away the family didn't want it they're the only people on earth who should want it if you if you started throwing away parts of history next thing you know when someone asks about history it's all been binned yeah i don't think about that i don't think think about that once in a while kid the history books were like that i don't think that was a lynchpin of what was holding together the fabric of European history was this f***ing box that no one knew about.

You know, what if we went to Egypt and it's like, should we go look at the pyramids? Oh, wait, we binned them. We smashed them up. It's a mega mall now. You've got to preserve history, whether it's giant, incredible pyramids built by the ancient Egyptians or a little f***ing box with hair in it.

You gotta preserve everything. This is a border. Yeah, but that's like going- That's why when I die, I'm gonna be frozen in ice and blasted to the moon. Why the moon? I don't know. It was the first planet I could think of that wasn't Earth, and I hate Earth. They've made it abundantly clear I'm not welcome here.

Kevin tried to give the box to his sister, but in less than a week, she'd already given it back why didn't she throw it out for the love of god whenever you get a gift you don't want listen i'm not saying i've done this personally i'm not saying that i did this with the last gift that rory got me for my birthday i'm not saying i've done this with every gift rory's ever got me but if you get a gift you don't like you say thanks very much for the beautiful gift i will enjoy it i will treasure it you're a great friend you're a great family member uh and then you put it in the trash you never have to think about it again it's not very it's not a nice thing to do you don't give the gift back we have to preserve history here people the gifts i give to kit that furby that slinky that freaking mr frosty machine they need to be

preserved in a goddamn museum all items of which there were millions manufactured i don't know why you think we need to preserve a slinky i'm pretty sure they still make them and judging by your bedroom you have hundreds of furbies which you're what preserving yeah exactly you have to preserve these artifacts otherwise they're lost in the sands of time and by the way this time is absolutely deafening could you at least remove the battery no i will not remove the batteries they have a voice in history that needs to be heard now could i interest you in a slush puppy sir he then gave the box to his brother and his brother's wife, but within three days it was returned. I don't believe this.

His brother said it smelled like jasmine flowers, but his wife said it smelled like cat piss. Nobody wants this creepy piss box. Finally, Kevin managed to sell this object from his store to a middle-aged couple. He didn't quite sell it. He actually had to pay someone a lot of money to a middle-aged couple. He didn't quite sell it. He actually had to pay someone a lot of money to take it off his hands. He packed it up in a box. He sent it away.

And three days later found it sitting in front of his shop with a note reading, this has a bad darkness. This entire thing is not real. The stroke, believable. real the stroke believable the auction believable the history of wartime germany believable let's keep on this trying to give it away to like five or six different people and they all give it back believable i thought we were gonna i thought we were in sync there no because sometimes we finish each other's statements. You're on your own on that one.

Just like you're on your own with this goddamn story. The fact that no one wants to take this thing, if anything, is a testimony to how cursed it is. It's shedding light and truth on the object. Unable to shift this bish, Kevin is forced to temporarily store the box at his own home. He's not forced to do anything like that! He has to preserve history, your kid! I am going to have a mental breakdown if this continues any further. Throughout the duration of its stay in Kevin's house, he starts having nightmares.

In an interview, he said, I find myself walking with a friend, usually someone I know well and trust, In an interview, he said, The person I am with changes into what can only be described as the most gruesome, demonic-looking hag I have ever seen. This hag proceeds to then beat the living f*** out of me. Is that a quote? I changed the ending for dramatic effect. Okay. But it does beat the shit out of him in the dream. Okay.

And he's even woken up with scratches and bruises over his body. Whoa. Yeah. Then believe it or not, things start getting worse. Late at night, Kevin starts seeing shadow creatures in his home, and that's where he draws the line. He's got a storage unit at the back of his house, so he wraps up the box and locks it away in the storage unit. Oh my god god but before long the smoke alarm for the unit starts blasting he throws open the doors but there's no fire there's

no smoke at all just an overwhelming just a smell of cat piss okay and a box jasmine sure it's the jasmine's fading really these days it's more of just the piss there's very little reason to keep this thing around anymore because the jasmine was like a well like i'm cursed as hell but at least the thing smells like a beautiful flower bed but now that it's just cat piss and it's cursing you you know you're you're losing reasons here it's more cons than pros at this point yeah after a few more attempted sales it finally ended up in the hands of a man named jason haxton is this what it's like to be an antique salesperson every item just ruins your life until you can get rid of it everything is a curse i guess so maybe that's like a uh unspoken rule in the antiquing

industry where it's like no object is too cursed to be resold for money i didn't realize it's a dirty profession it's really quite scummy i didn't realize that antiques were a kind of lovecraftian career path where you sort of face off with the devil and demons every night it's it's a risk you run every day it's crazy if i was pitching a tv show right now, what I want to see is, you know, is it Storage Wars? Yeah. Where you like you bid on a storage containment unit just from what you can like see in the front and then you win all the objects inside. Yeah. I want to see a version of that where you're bidding on like crypts and tombs.

So it's like, all right, so you can see here, you know, I think there's some rubies in the back there. There's obviously a sarcophagus in the center uh there could be some curses involved then you know everyone has to put down their bids and stuff and then once you win it you get to go in and see what you won yeah every episode just as that like shutter door just comes up slowly the person who won the auction their face just melts off they incinerate into pieces yeah indiana jones because it was a curse it was cursed a lot of the gold's nazi gold which doesn't come uh with a lot of good vibes no you're gonna have a pretty bad time you want your gold ideally to come from some kind of utopian atlantis society yeah maybe a commune like ours. Just anything other than Nazi gold. Yeah, that's probably the worst context for how gold could have been acquired.

It's even more evil than blood diamonds. It's Nazi gold. After a few more tempted sales, as we said, it ended up in the hands of Jason Haxton. You'll like this guy, Kit. Jason decided to take a more academic approach to understanding the box. I don't like this. I thought you would. I love this science bullshit. I thought you were going to tell me that he was a trash man and he put it straight in the trash.

Jason smashed it with a hammer. That's the only thing I would have enjoyed. No, he's enlisting scientists, paranormal experts to investigate and study this box to understand it okay well at least hopefully they will determine that there is nothing weird about it and they can just put it in the toilet and flush it the box f***ed him up no he got hives at one point he was coughing up blood okay seeing lights in the dark is it possible that this thing just contains like anthrax or something it's almost killed two people yeah i mean at this point i don't know how anthrax affects the human body when it's exposed to it but because there's an array of

different symptoms here because i'm pretty sure one of the side effects of anthrax isn't seeing shadow people in your house and being being beaten up by old women in your dreams i agree the symptoms are varied between seeing shadow people to having a stroke to smelling cat piss so it's it's a true smorgasbord of negative consequences that That's a disease I don't want to get. Imagine going to the doctor being like, so doc, is it bad? And he's like, well, as soon as the nosebleeds subside, you should be all right for a couple of days.

Do give me a call if you start seeing shadow people though. What? You're going to want to learn how to lucid dream real, real quick. Cause there are going to be some feisty old women in your dreams ready to beat the shit out of you i'm going to write you a prescription here for a dream world 12 inch broadsword because you are going to need it in the other realm i love it if you're like you're like that's bullcrap i don't believe any of this stuff like i'm an anti-vaxxer i don't need any of this garbage you like go go home, tuck up in bed, have a nice dream.

You're like walking down the street in downtown San Francisco. You turn an alley and there's just like 20 old hags in the alley just going, you picked the wrong dream, mother f***er. I didn't pick any dream.

I had no choice in this. You reach for your prescription broadsword, but you never signed it. It's still at the pharmacy. Eventually, Haxton decided to lock up the box in a secure wooden arc lined with 24 karat gold. Why? I don't know. I guess he assumed that that would like subdue the curse. Sell the gold arc.

Start a new life, almost. Leave this hole behind you. But this was not enough. He later admitted he had to end up putting the box into a military grade shockproof container and buried it at an undisclosed location. Walk to the sea, put it in the sea, and then walk away. If you want to do that,

you have to look at a little case study called Jumanji. Next thing you know, you've got a bunch of little kids playing with this box. They're spouting little monkey tails. There's giant spiders crawling around the earth. Robin Williams doesn't know what year it is.

Their problem, not mine. That's a horrible way of thinking. there's giant spiders crawling around the earth robin williams doesn't know what year it is their problem not mine that's a horrible way of thinking it's it's me in me in court getting cross-examined and they're like can you point to the man who who who left the box there and it's it's a kid with a monkey tail points at me i'm like oh jesus christ you snitch asshole the judge is a giant spider it's like all right we've heard some pretty damning evidence uh the court will take a short recess where we will all run into the wild as we are constantly being hunted by a man who was freed from the jungle inside the box yeah i have a picture here actually, of Jason Haxton with the debuk box. Ooh.

Debuk box. I need to see what's so great about this thing that no one wants to get rid of it. It's pretty good looking, to be fair. It's better be a Faberge egg of a box. Exhibit A. Is this impressive to you somehow? It's gorgeous. It's a brown box.

There's a lot more wood in this photo, in fact. You don't seem to be interested in that at all. Look, all I'm going to say is if I've learned anything from Indiana Jones, you know, the Holy Grail was gross. It was nasty. It was dusty. It was old. It was shite.

Because Jesus is a carpenter. I'm pretty sure it was made of solid gold. Go on. No, it was wooden, right? jesus is a carpenter pretty sure it was made of solid gold go on no it was wooden right because jesus is a carpenter so he made his cup out of wood impractical of course splinters on the lips and everything but you know you can't judge a piece of old cursed garbage by the look of it who's to say jesus jesus himself didn't carve that bad boy why is this got cup holders it's also been constructed with the modern man in mind. I can see that.

It's got an ashtray. It has cigar holders. This is basically just a drinks cabinet. The ancient insignia on the back is just a LED Coors Light sign. This is more of a wartime mini fridge if you will kevin's sister-in-law said it smelled of cat piss which did just turn out to be bud light okay i gotta be honest i don't see any reason why someone would be obsessed over keeping this it's larger than i thought yeah which i you know and it does seem to have some kind of what what is that tablet inside

oh god i have no idea let me see you talked about the cup on the hair a lot more than the stone tablet with some sort of language yeah i can't i can't stop looking at the stone now i mean that wasn't mentioned in the article but that seems really important that looks like an old testament yeah that looks like an actual artifact from biblical times it looks like a lost bible gospel or something it's funny that a lot of people have talked about being cursed and no one has mentioned this slab of ancient stone with writing carved are we the only ones that can see it god i hope not that so worrying. A shadow person puts his hand on my shoulder. It's like, you're next, bro.

You're next. Well, believe it or not, the box's journey does not end there. This thing was eventually dug up and sold to a man named Zach Baggins, who some of our listeners may actually know from the TV show Ghost Adventures. Oh, sure. Now, he's obviously a paranormal enthusiast, so he puts the box in his haunted museum in Las Vegas. Okay, fine. You can get on board with that, right?

That's kind of where it seems like it would belong. Yeah, that seems acceptable. Here it remains to this very day, where in order to even see it, you have to sign a waiver that releases baggins from any liability if anything happens to you while viewing the box or immediately after you go into this room to see that your audience with the box you've just signed the waiver and then just as you open up the front door of the box you just feel a hand just steal your wallet you're like hey who is that baggins obviously

scampering out of the room you You signed it, you dumb asshole. Anything that happens in the room stays in the room. Well, now the box is sealed in a case, locked in a room, locked inside a paranormal museum. It's been locked in lots of different places and that didn't stop it from cursing people. But now, now no regular civilians

can even make contact with this thing. They can't even touch it. They just have to sign a waiver then they can do whatever they want with it. No, that's not the rules. The the rules are if you sign the waiver you can go into a room and look at it probably through like bulletproof class it's probably not even the actual thing it's like a projection of it you could it's a bit like nuclear waste you can't even look at it you'll die you go blind so they've got women beat the shit out of you they've got several mirrors set up so you can just see its reflection it's like the yeah the

eclipse you have to buy they actually sell special goggles at reception for 300 a piece they're called box gogs they cost 300 and they do call also say IMAX 3D scratched out on the side. Well, I did say that no regular civilians can make contact with the box. But the next person to be cursed by this box is no regular civilian. Last year, popular rapper Post Malone visited the Haunted Museum Las Vegas not posty and you know if Post Malone wants to see your haunted artifacts you don't make him sign shit he's not buying the box gogs he's not signing anything he can go in there he can touch whatever he wants yeah Post Malone's probably not even a legal name even if he did sign the thing. Yeah, because you want him in there.

You want him writing raps about your paranormal stuff. Ideally. Yeah. You think congratulations by Post Malone is about having good times? Better not, better not. I only say that because you're not around shadow people in an industry likey record label meetings

being like folks we really think that we'd be better off switching it from demon hag to better noise like fine whatever you think will sell yeah the original lyrics that he would approach the the record labels with were really horrible stuff like better now was demon child sunflower was spiky death rose like it was all really grim stuff and they were like i don't think people are going to connect with these songs post you gotta you gotta cheer it up a little bit well while he didn't touch the item himself he did touch the owner baggins while he was touching the item ah Ah. And that's enough, baby. Since then, Post Malone has had the tires explode off his private jet on takeoff. It's true.

Armed robbers broke into his house. Yep. And on September 7th, the rapper's Rolls Royce was T-boned in West Hollywood. Yeah, it was a pretty bad crash. Things are going bad for this guy. I mean, aside from the string of Billboard top 10s. He is miserable. I mean, one of the most successful musicians under 25 in the last 50 years.

He's on the edge of the plank, baby. And he's being pushed towards the water filled with sharks. I've watched videos of him just like sneaker shopping. He's having a pretty good time. It's true. The curse has really struck him hard. like sneaker shopping he's having a pretty good time it's true the curse has really struck him hard but luckily he is the last person to be afflicted by its poisonous paranormal powers he's one of the richest people of in his age right um yeah that pretty much brings us up to

to current day interesting stuff the the box has been dubbed as i I said, the Dybbuk box or Dybbuk. I'm probably butchering the pronunciation of that. Yeah. In Jewish mythology, a Dybbuk is a malicious spirit that is believed to be the lost soul of a dead person. And instead of going to heaven, the soul becomes trapped in an object and will remain there until someone helps release the spirit, which no one's tried to do. I mean, if anything, they made it worse.

They buried it. Yeah. They opened it up. Most people are trying to make a quick buck off it. Yes, for sure. Which is probably not smart. Do we have any intel on how one might appease this spirit? I honestly have no idea.

I don't know if that process is tailored from spirit to spirit. Right. have no idea i don't know if that process is tailored from spirit to spirit right you know if they open the box and found like a bunch of buffy the vampire dvds yeah do they then get like try and like reunite the cast of buffy the vampire slayer yeah and you know do a final performance that includes the box and then you know oh my spirit is freed because i loved buffy and now i am in buffy is it kind of like a like a make-a-wish foundation type thing for ghosts and and you're kind of like box listen a lot of the casts it's like a lot of them have left acting there's there's union rules as well like some of them some of them are hard to get a hold of but we can get sarah michelle geller and the box is like absolutely not the entire cast

only this is just the box opening and closing really quickly that is not enough you start losing your hair all right all right all right i'll see what i can do i'll see what i can do i'll see if i can get someone else seems ridiculous she's like the main one what was that nothing working on it working on getting spike the whole cast uh yeah i i assume it is tailored to each spirit right but again no one even tried you're right a lot of people are just trying to make a quick buck off this this haunted box which isn't very fair to the dibuk yeah see it's cruel everyone always wants to know what to do with the cursed box yeah but no one ever asks why are you cursing people box how'd you get cursed in the first place box why don't you open up let your content spill

outside not the anthrax or the cat piss but you know the the real insides is this what you really want are you happy doing this and then of course while you've got his attention your friend is coming up behind with a sledgehammer you're trying to keep it busy like you're you're sweating he's a priest too it's a holy sledgehammer the box you can see you're sweating and you're like wait i was just opening up to you why are you so nervous i just was you know i just want to know that now now priest richard and priest richard just brings the hammer of god down on it and shatters this thing to a thousand pieces of course the box is is all knowing so it just stitches itself back together in a heartbeat inside i thought you cared about me mortal i was wrong about you humans

wait i mean right i was right about you humans i am never wrong that would also be the moment where presumably the christian priest we uh referred to would realize that his religion is clearly wrong because the jewish box just laid the smackdown on him yeah it's it's it's a difficult one i mean we know the box exists that's something that we don't have to question because i have a picture of it you can go see it i have i have the video so we know alone touching the man who touches the box a box exists yeah and we know we can i can see the content here the hair the little wine goblet the rose all of that stuff also exists fair you've proved that so in a sense i you could say i have proved that it is real.

You've proved that a box has hair in it. And at the end of the day, wasn't that really about what this was all about? No, there was a lot more to it. What are your thoughts, Kit, on the box? Maybe most sadly and confusingly of all, what I'm most puzzled by is not the seemingly paranormal effects that this box has on people the overreaction on the part of kevin's mother the curse-like effects on everyone who seemed to encounter it that post malone's unfortunate happenings after coming into contact with the box but rather why kevin couldn't get rid of it for so long? Why did everyone hold on to it? I just don't understand.

Yeah, it's quite a confusing thing. I guess maybe it's like Sokong Syndrome where you're like, this does suck, but I don't want to get rid of the box. Like I paid money for the box. It's this old woman's, it's part of this old woman's history. You know, it has a past.

It used to be cherished, I think. She didn't open it. I have no idea. But it doesn't seem like the kind of thing you just want to chuck away maybe you have a responsibility when you own that box maybe we should talk about that we didn't really mention it but like what's the deal this woman's granddaughter said that she always owned this box but wouldn't let anyone near it so it sounds like granny knew what was up. You don't open it. Yeah.

You just keep it. Apparently, on a number of occasions, the grandmother explicitly said there is a dybbuk inside the case. That's why she wouldn't let anyone go near it. But then, was she feeling so responsible that she wouldn't get rid of it, afraid that someone else would open it and curse?

God. I don't know. It's very confusing. confusing it is very confusing it's a very confusing story yeah i mean i don't mean to to poop on the story too much there's a lot of like really cool esoteric religious elements it's kind of there's something exciting about that isn't there that it feels like religions of old used to kind of lean really heavily even christianity on the whole demons thing yeah they don't really if you go to church today they don't talk too much about demons but they're in the books they're in there oh yeah a lot about the the old demons are actually a big part of it they're the other side yeah so it's like looking at a coin and only talking about heads yeah it's like you don't want to talk about tails demon tails yeah and it's yeah kind of nuts to think that there may be some kind of maybe even religious artifact that is directly associated with these demons creepy stuff very

creepy they have um there have been um psychologists and experts who have been interviewed as to their opinion on the box. And a lot of them say, you know, it's your typical case of a lot of the misfortune that has happened to people once they've received the box is just general misfortune. But obviously, because they're in possession of the box and it's on their mind, they're directly linking it. They think there's some correlation between those two when a lot of the times you know bad stuff happens to people every day whether you have a box or not yeah but if you do have the box you're gonna blame everything on the box yeah so post malone crashing his bentley probably has as much to do with him being uh like a drunken high 22 year old driving a it's a big factor million dollar car uh as it does with him having touched a man who once once touched the

box yeah he didn't even touch the box yeah yeah i think that's that's pretty strange although the uh experts questioned also could not find any reason behind some of the stranger effects like Kevin's mother having the stroke and Jason Haxton coughing up blood. Weird symptoms like that. They just kind of came out of nowhere when people had started their journey with the box. Weird stuff. There's a little bit on both sides. Experts are saying there's obviously a lot of fake stories around this thing but there's a lot of stuff they just can't explain as well we're being

slapped from both sides what i would say is that you know don't know if it's real but i probably wouldn't touch it yeah i don't know i don't know how that shapes our conclusion i feel like we've talked about like robert the doll i wouldn't have too much of a problem of going hanging out with robert but this thing i might keep my distance you would touch robert yeah maybe i need to revisit that episode though i can't remember what he does it's pretty i think he came to life and tried to like take someone's eyes he was pretty creepy he used to giggle a lot which i think is a sign that you should not touch him okay maybe i take that back maybe i'm more scared of curses i do like

the idea of this paranormal life the show where every week we investigate a paranormal object and come to the conclusion as to whether we touch it or not we could do like a really shitty version of jackass where we're like, welcome to this paranormal life. And this is the touching Robert the doll. And it's just like a five second clip of us touching Robert and either getting f***ed up or not. Yeah. But like doing really disrespectful stuff. Yeah.

So it's just like rubbing your balls on a haunted box. Right. And then obviously by the end of the series, we're scraping the bottom of the barrel. We're like, I'm Roy Powers. I'm going gonna drink a liter of poison milk it's like do you mean cursed milk nope the ratings really plummeted in the later episodes all right let's not dance for it anymore let's come down on our conclusions here the dibuk box do we think this thing is is cursed or not not real we know it's real is cursed? I think when all is said and done, we've got some interesting correlation here. But I don't think we have enough evidence for causation.

I don't know that we can say that these unfortunate effects on the people who surround this thing have actually been caused by this box. Yeah, I know what you mean. We're just missing that sliver of evidence to really tie this thing together. I mean, the fact that this isn't a paranormal museum in Las Vegas means, hopefully, the paranormal activity around it is subdued. So we're probably not going to see any more evidence

in the long term, which is a bit unfortunate. But hey, if we're ever out that way, maybe we need to just take a trip there ourselves and Post Malone-style manhandle this bad boy. We'll have to get mentally prepared. Exactly. We need to get some of those box gogs.

I might stick on a couple pairs. I'm pretty scared of this thing. Even though... We touch the box and launch incredible rap careers. It blesses us for some reason. It's like, you know you guys you guys call me out you call me out of my bullshit i appreciate that you know what kit you now have the voice of eminem wow really i really respect that wow i touched the box and now my rhymes

is hot as hot rocks and you're like that that's terrible i'm like i was trying to force it yeah shit all has happened the box didn't give you any powers at all it was awful huh i think in this case unfortunately it's gonna be a no for me as well that's a double no yeah which is really unfortunate because i didn't know how this one was gonna come out in my head i did you were quite down on it from the get-go yeah i don't that, and the box doesn't appreciate that. So you better watch yourself. Rory just produced the box himself. That's right.

Give me some of your hair. There's shadow people surrounding me. The Furbies have come to life now. Well, there we have it, folks. The Dibuk. Temporarily. You know what? I'm not going to.

I don't know if I am going to come to a conclusion on this one. I'm going to put this in my little unsolved. What? I'm going to put this in my little unsolved folder. I don't. I think there's more out here on this guy. Well, what I will say is this was a closer one than usual. I say we put up a Twitter poll this week and we see what the nation thinks.

That's a good idea, actually. This shit is cursed or not get involved you can check us out on twitter at this para life where we will let the voice of the commune decide whether the dibook box is actually cursed or not that seems fair wow another great spooky episode of this paranormal life in the bag i hope that you guys enjoyed this week's episode if you want to join the paranormal commune the secret society you can check it out on facebook uh at the secret society i think we have temporarily lifted the ban on new members right we're getting a bit overpopulated for a bit. Yeah, but we just actually secured another 300 acre deal with a state I will not name because it will give off the location. But there's plenty of room here.

Everyone's welcome. Join the party. It is very much in Southeast Asia. It is very hot. It's very humid. It is our rainy season, granted. Yes. But there is plenty of space.

And plenty of space and plenty of water now um so come along grab a glass of water it's not that clean but nah what is what is these days as long as it's not cursed um even though we can't really even guarantee that uh our curse guy actually died from drinking rain water so what are we supposed to do about it to this day i don't know if the curse guy was cursing things or lifting curses and we'll never know because he died uh if you also enjoyed that you might want to check out our patreon where you can actually get bonus episodes of this podcast and shout outs and loads of a bunch of different rewards uh it's a great place to show your support from the podcast and get a little bit extra every month.

And as always, if you do subscribe to the Patreon, we like to give you a shout out right here on the podcast. So let's get ready to blast out the names of a bunch of local heroes. Here we go. So special thank you to Patrick McNaughton. That's right, Patrick, who's cat sick. Ever since he's, uh, he actually, I heard, bought a very similar Dybbuk box. I kind of hollowed it out, put a little bit of hay in there, and let his cat sleep in it.

Cat's been extremely sick since that very day. So, I'm sorry we didn't get this episode to you sooner, Patrick, but you might want to nip that dibbuk box in the bud i mean it explains why his box also smells like cat piss yeah i don't know if his is haunted or just genuinely the cat piss is in the box which if it is cursed that's not gonna make the curse happy no get rid of the box patrick and also thanks for your support he buys the box why does this smell cat piss is this is They're like, no, that's how they come new. Thanks, Patrick.

And thank you also to Jamie Shaw. Jamie Beastpaw Shaw. That's right. All human except his hands, the size of elephant trunks. Holy shit. Enormous beast-like claws. We should be investigating this dude. I don't even know how he got to Patreon.com

with those monster hooves just stamping away at his MacBook. He probably went through three or four of them before he could actually make it to the website. I think he uses probably uses a beast book. It's kind of 20 times the size of a regular laptop.

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wrong i mean jesus he lives in new york city it's like a six-hour run trip it's crazy yeah it's like at least just send the laundry to us here god but he's like no catch the red eye i want my laundry here folded under my bed before my mom gets home how old are are you? 14. What of it? It's actually her card that's giving you that money. So I guess she's a executive producer. I guess she's kind of the boss and I'm more the area manager. But thank you anyway, Ross, for your support. Thank you also to Brian Simpson.

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on my life patreon so thank you oh christ are we his employees dude what does that make us get me oil for my car you mean you yeah Thank you also to Jordan Perez. Air Jordan himself. The man with the power of flight, but he's scared of heights. It's the ultimate monkey paw wish. And we're not, whenever we say power of flight, we're talking Michael Jordan level ball travel. We're talking like half court slam dun dunks we're not talking flying through

the clouds or anything yeah but he still won't do it he's petrified he's terrified of being above ground in any form that's a hard life you got there jordan but hey i'm glad you're enjoying the podcast thank you he's five foot four and wishes he was four foot two. That's how scared of heights he is. Wishes he was one foot nothing. He's five foot four. Wishes he was six foot under. Thank you also to Shockzilla. Shockzilla. All right, all right.

What we got here? Is this some sort of electric Dracula? This is terrifying. Electric Dracula? This is terrifying. This sounds like Godzilla put his dick into a wall socket and created Shockzilla. This is every parent's worst nightmare. They have a lovely, God-fearing teenage son or daughter and they go, Yes, yes, mother and father, I'm going to prom this weekend.

Oh, with who? Who's your date? Who's the lucky, lucky date? Shock Zula. She is a cruel mistress. Yes, she rides a motorbike. Incredible stuff. And she also listens to the best podcast online, This Paranormal Life.

That's enough. You're not going anywhere tonight. Thank you, Shock Zula. We don't know who you are, where you came from, or what you want, but the fact that you want to support us on Patreon, that's amazing. It's shocking. Thank you also to Robert Cook. If you need a meal whipped up for your special occasion,

why not book Robert the Chef? That's right, he actually finds the phrase cook offensive. Yeah. He is an artist. He is finds the phrase cook offensive. Yeah. He is an artist. He is a Michelin-starred artist. They originally wanted to call him Robert the Wizard, the Culinary Wizard. But people thought that would maybe put them off booking him for parties. He got a lot of kids' parties at the time.

Obviously, they thought he was a wizard. So he showed up with filet mignon, like Kobe beef. And they're like, pull a rabbit from the hat. He's like, shut up, you little shits. Also, you didn't hire a clown or a magician. You hired a wizard. What kind of wizard would be doing balloon animals? They're like, we want chicken nuggets.

Fine. Cooking chicken nuggets. Chicken nuggets with foam of asparagus. They're like, no, just regular chicken nuggets. Oh, Jesus. God. And what kind of wine would you like paired with it? Juice.

Oh, for f***ing. I'm going to kill you, children. Every vein in his head popping. He is an angry, angry chef, cook, wizard. But hey, he's got great taste in podcasts. I want juice. Well, I'm going to charge you corkage. Would you, he's got great taste in podcasts. I want juice. Well, I'm going to charge you corkage. Would you like a red or a white?

Orange. Oh my God. Thank you also to Brianna LeClaire. Brianna, I don't le care about a lot of people that we've mentioned today, but I do really le care about your contribution and your support. It means a lot to me um je suis rory uh i think

it's born what you're doing uh i think i hope you think the podcast is born uh so i guess our of war and just adios overall you were very close which ones was it our of war i think it was the hour of war i think the pronunciation was off bonjour what is that is that freaking that's like a lord of the rings one isn't it elvish yeah i think it could be god damn i think that's some golem shit close thank you anyway for your support i gotta fire up duolingo i'm actually learning 47 languages right now all of them pearly obviously obviously. Yeah, I mean, I'm only sticking with it because this

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bit a girl's neck and tried to turn her, but it didn't work. It didn't work. It was like in a public scene and he was like arrested on the spot. Yeah, you've got to be a vampire to turn. So he thought he was. You got to be 100% sure. Because humans can drink blood. Humans can sleep all day and not go out in the sunlight.

That makes them weird. There's a fine line between being an actual creepy person and being an actual vampire. Yeah, right. He was just a basement nerd. Yeah, he went up and was like, Hello, my lady. Welcome to eternal bliss. And like, he didn't really even bite it well.

He was drooling a bit when he went in. She had carte blanche plenty of time to grab her taser yeah in his neck yeah so ironically he got two little burnt marks on his neck yeah which he was like oh isn't this ironic i have the bite marks and then her like six foot eight boyfriend just came over and beat the shit out of him. Six foot eight. He's like NBA pro. Yeah. So I'm glad to see he's in better condition now. Thank you, Elliot.

I'm glad you made a swift recovery. Thanks also to Andrew Ham. Andrew Ham lives in the dam. Hangs out with his fam. Sorry, he lives in a dam? Lives in the dam. What? The Hoover Dam? Amsterdam. Oh, okay. Getting dam lives in the dam the hoover dam getting baked in the dam you implied it

was like a water dam at the start like he lived underwater with his family sorry i got that wrong he lives under a dam in the dam living glam so it so still in a damn in japan you said you said the damn in the damn yeah so i meant little amsterdam which is a district of tokyo in japan in japan wow i don't know how he has a a laptop b exists but i am c grateful that he does enjoy the podcast thank you for your support and this last one goes out to thank you very much special thank you to Abby and Tyler Harrow I can be your

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Thank you. So, thanks so much to everyone. Will you dance? If I ask you to dance. Is this bit going to go with the names? Would you cry? It sounds like it's just the song. If I ask you to cry.

We could do this off mic. I don't know the words. You don't seem to be listening to me at all. I forgot the song. Yeah, okay, so you don't know it, so we should probably just drop off. Will you stand? We're so close. We're like 30 seconds away from finishing the episode.

Thank you for listening. Now, one more time, everyone together. I can be so loud. Oh, God. Thank you so much, everyone, for listening to this week's podcast. Oh, my glob.

It was a fun one. It was a spooky one. It was a crazy one and it all stank of cat piss. But we will be back next week with a brand new fantastic paranormal tale and we hope we will see you then bye bye bye