This Paranormal Life - #142 The Enfield Haunting: the Real Story of The Conjuring 2

Episode Date: December 10, 2019

In 1977 a series of sustained paranormal phenomena unfolded In North London that would come dominate UK press, and inspire countless retellings in books, films and documentary. Considered one of the m...ost important and believable paranormal cases ever, the time has come for Kit and Rory to investigate!Support us on Patreon.com/ThisParanormalLife to get access to weekly bonus episodes!Buy Official TPL Merch! - thisparanormallife.com/storeFollow us on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTubeJoin our Secret Society Facebook CommunityIntro music by www.purple-planet.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Is someone torturing a voodoo doll of me or do I just have back pain? Is ectoplasm good for you? Answers to these questions and more on this episode of This Paranormal Life! No! Boo! Soldier boy back on the podcast. Welcome to This Paranormal Life.
Starting point is 00:00:22 This is the weekly comedy podcast where every episode we investigate a different paranormal case tale or claim and get to the bottom of whether it's truly paranormal or not you are joined by myself kit grimovana this guy across from me rory mother flippin pars that's right how you doing today roy i'm doing great i mean so you didn't intro it as a comedy podcast. And it is. Like, there's some jokes in there. But, you know, I prefer to say comedy paranormal podcast.
Starting point is 00:00:52 Because it's jokes. There are some jokes. But it's also pretty goddamn serious as well. It's also pretty bone dry. It can be, yeah. So I just don't want to get people's hopes up if they're like, oh, you know, I've had a rough day. I want something to, like, lighten my mood. Because it's probably not going to do that it's not going to no we talk about some scary stuff this podcast is ideally for people who are in the best point of their lives maybe they just got married maybe they just maybe they're on the honeymoon right now they can afford
Starting point is 00:01:20 to come down a few notches of course someone who's never experienced the paranormal before you know you can't be on a knife edge and listening to this podcast because we'll push you to come down a few notches. Of course. Someone who's never experienced the paranormal before, you know, you can't be on a knife edge and listening to this podcast because we'll push you. We'll push you onto the wrong side. That's honestly what we aim for every week. And this week is no exception. So let's dive right in.
Starting point is 00:01:38 Today's investigation is one of the most famous paranormal cases in history. There have been books, films, countless investigations since, and all for good reason. This case featured so many inexplicable incidents and phenomena over such a long, sustained time that a lot of people were able to investigate it
Starting point is 00:01:58 and record what was happening. All of those investigations are now irrelevant because this one is happening. This paranormal life investigation is going to be the full stop on this discussion. It's the gold standard. Shout out to Higgypop.com. Oh, boy. Bit of a wobbly start there.
Starting point is 00:02:22 We're a great help in piecing this whole thing together. Also, thanks to CrystalLinks.com. Listen, Crystal Links didn't help shit with this one. It's all Higgy Pop. Listen, by their name. Extra thanks to Trevor down at the pub who actually gave us most of the info on this one between whiskeys. He wrote some shit in the back of a napkin. Listen, Higgy Pop don't sound like they'd have the deets,
Starting point is 00:02:51 but they've been investigating the paranormal for 20 years. All right, fair play. We are in Enfield, North London, in 1977, 42 years ago. We're at the home of Peggy Hodgson and her two daughters, Margaret, age 13, Janet, aged 11, and two sons, Billy, aged 7, and Johnny, aged 10. The house was number 284, a very typical semi-detached London council house built in the 1920s, with three upstairs bedrooms and a kitchen and living room downstairs. By all accounts, life was peaceful for the Hodgsons at number 284.
Starting point is 00:03:33 Peggy's brother John lived on the same street and they knew all their neighbors pretty well. All of this made more strange by the chaos that would unfold over the next year. On Tuesday 31st... Off to a good start, I wrote Tuesday 31st. Up to a good start I wrote Tuesday 31stth. It's Tuesday 31st of August 1977 and Peggy just heard something. While pottering around the house, downstairs, working and looking after the kids, she heard a knock. Nothing major, just enough to make her think, what was that? And later, a bang from one of the other rooms. But living with four kids under the age of 13, none of this was very surprising, so she was mostly able to forget about it. Until that evening, while putting the kids to bed, Janet, age 11,
Starting point is 00:04:18 came to her and said, Billy's bed was going all funny. Janet's like, what does that mean? Yeah. She's like, it's moving on its own. Okay, Janet, I don't have time for this shit. I've got four kids. I'm a single mother. Get the f*** to bed, basically. Yeah. I'm sure it's nothing.
Starting point is 00:04:36 When you're a single mother of four kids, you have just enough time when you get home from work to slap a bunch of chicken nuggets in the oven, shovel them into every child's mouth. And then it's lights out. You know what? The oven raw, raw nugs,
Starting point is 00:04:49 frozen nuggets. Yeah. You know, sit on them for 10 minutes. That'll probably heat them up enough to make them edible. Some sort of bizarre chicken parent at this point, sitting on the food until it's ready. You just,
Starting point is 00:05:02 you don't have time for moving beds. You don't have time for knocks. You don't have time for knocks you don't have time for questions honestly let alone statements billy's bed's going all funny shut up do your homework but you can imagine after the knocking that day peggy must have been at least thinking about it in bed that night the next day it's wednesday it's 9 30 p.m and peggy hears some banging again and shuffling about. So she marches over to the back bedroom again to shut these little bastards up, but to get the kids to stop messing around.
Starting point is 00:05:35 But Janet explains to her, no, it's coming from the drawers by the doorway. Peggy walked over to the drawers, but before she could even get any closer, the drawers shuffled forward. She stopped in her tracks, staring at them. But once she could convince herself she was imagining things, she just grabbed the drawers and pushed them up against the wall. But as soon as she turned away, it moved out again. She moves back over, pushes it back she's being a pretty cool-headed parent at this point yeah uh putting on a decent show for the kids here of strength she pushes it back against the wall and for a third time it shuffles out oh my god
Starting point is 00:06:20 that's definitely not normal this time she grabs it and goes to push it back. But she couldn't. She said it was like there was an invisible force stopping her. This happened in 1977 when Janet was interviewed about this just a couple of years ago for the Telegraph, I think. She said, We shouted, Mom, Mom! We were sort of frightened, but also intrigued. We shouted, We were sort of frightened, but also intrigued. It's so vivid, some of it.
Starting point is 00:06:48 Mum was dumbfounded, really. She pushed it back and it started to move again. She tried to push it back again and it just wouldn't move. So she said, We was very, very nervy. At this point, Peggy has realised her house is haunted. So her and the kids fled the house to the neighbors the nottingham's house that was a pretty quick conclusion for someone who seemed quite skeptical about the whole thing to begin with i think she was being cool as janet says she was she was dumbfounded but i think when you've pushed the drawers three times in the space of 20 seconds
Starting point is 00:07:26 and then you go to push them and they won't move there's an invisible force pushing back yeah if it's 9 30 at night that'll freak me out i guess but to was there no even question like oh maybe it's actually just stuck maybe there's a bit of slanting in the woodwork maybe it keeps sliding out i think it that's quite a jump to go straight to like well third time in a row shit's haunted pack up your nuggets kids we're getting out of here this is you like there's a ghost there's a there's a army of ghosts it's like the ghost army from lord of the rings in your house standing there taking swings at your kids and you're like honestly the furniture might just be stuck you don't know what's going on with the schematics of this house might be an optical
Starting point is 00:08:09 illusion really well whatever you think she went to the nottingham's house and vick nottingham um the gentleman of the house was a roofer a man that works with his mitts works with his hands and he thought there has to be something wrong with the house itself pretty much what you're saying yeah it has to be something wrong that's causing things to move it's a logical guy smart guy probably handsome as well i respect that i didn't say anything about that but i guess it was implied it was in your tone of voice i just said he worked with his hands work with mitts in fact yeah he's got a physical job he's obviously jacked well he's a roofer so i guess he lifts point
Starting point is 00:08:45 proving the average person yeah vick squealed like a little girl no vick you were the best of us vick shite his pants on site and hid behind janet and billy um, you know, kind of a unique idea, but not impossible that there was something structurally wrong with the house. Because after all, if you, I grew up in an old house, that thing, especially like to do with the weather or what's going on, that thing will creak like crazy. Yeah. And if you just watched a scary movie, you can freak yourself out.
Starting point is 00:09:23 It's true. It's very true. I mean, my house that I grew up in had, it was one of those houses where, you know, all the carpets weren't just one color, one tone. They all had like patterns on them and things. So you would like see little faces in those patterns late at night or like a clothes pile in this corner of your room would look like a guy sitting down watching you. Freaky stuff like that. But it could just be the house you always have to assume it's the house first at least for a while i definitely was run at a friend's house once and they had you know like the kind of tall uh coat hanger that's like just a pole standing up and someone had put on like a
Starting point is 00:10:01 trench coat and then like a top not a top hat but like a bowler hat kind of thing on top jesus christ in the pitch black of night that is just a man in black come to take you away well your house in northern ireland also had that door that just led to nowhere don't talk about the door i showed you the door to nowhere in confidence. Sorry, I forgot. It would never come up on the pod. But when Vic went round to the Hodgson's to look at what was going on, he couldn't find anything obviously wrong.
Starting point is 00:10:35 In fact, only that he was, quote, followed around the house by a knocking sound. Uh-oh. He said, If you go and listen to it on the wall over here, it'd suddenly come from the wall over there. Now, exasperated and kind of at a loss of who to turn to, because Peggy has already gone to the most jacked,
Starting point is 00:10:57 handsome, confident man on the street. That's right. Which is obviously who's going to sort this problem. Peggy called the only people who could help, the police. Because I guess she thought if it's not something wrong with the house itself, someone's in the goddamn house. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:14 That's essentially what you're worried about, isn't it? It's like, whether it's paranormal or not, something's there. And there's a chance that it's an intruder. Yeah, and that's smart and somewhat reassuring that she went to the police before say a priest it's reflective of her mindset and how she's approaching the problem so it it paints her as a as a good character okay just don't get too attached to that fact because oh boy i'm not i don't want to give anything away but peggy might lose her cool did i mention the police chief was a priest she called 999 they said name your emergency she said religious they said say no more sister and sent down a crack team of nuns so at 1 a.m
Starting point is 00:11:55 two officers arrived at the door they checked the house all over but sadly explained to peggy that no crime had yet been committed, so there was nothing they could do. And it is true. Unfortunately, this kind of knocking while disturbing, while upsetting, is not a crime or illegal. Yeah. But before the officers could leave the house,
Starting point is 00:12:19 Constable Caroline Heaps was walking past the living room when she saw a kitchen chair wobble. This made her kind of stop in her tracks and at this point the chair slid a meter across the floor of the kitchen. Oh okay. In a 2007 interview WPC Caroline Heaps said, it came off the floor nearly half an inch. I saw it slide off to the right about 4 feet before it came to rest. I checked to see if it could have slid along the floor by itself. I even placed a marble on the floor to see whether it would roll in the same direction as the chair. It didn't. I checked for wires under the cushions and chairs and I couldn't
Starting point is 00:13:03 see any. I couldn't find any explanation at all i love that i love wpc caroline heat because um when i first read about that little chance observation of the chair sliding i thought it was a little standalone thing i didn't realize that she just like went straight into investigation mode yeah like looking to see if the kids were playing a trick on her whether there's anything wrong with the house the leveling of the floor there's obviously not a lot going on in this neighborhood at the time where they could just put their duties on hold and say go get me a marble the up thing is it was like north london in the 70s there was definitely plenty of shit going on this is why there was so much crime because police were constructing elaborate paranormal experiments it's so true it's like scientists today like there's so many uh
Starting point is 00:13:52 uncured diseases out there so many um banes on mankind but still like every day when you open the news it's like here's the scientifically proven optimal amount of hugs to give your dog a day to keep them happy it's like please focus on the important shit people yeah it's like people are are dying every day from diseases that we don't know how they work i just read articles being like we actually taught a rat how to spell leave the rats rats! The rats are smart. Do you want them to rise up? And they always give some bullshit reason why it's useful, which you know is just like
Starting point is 00:14:31 their little get out of jail free card so they can research whatever the hell they want. They're like, well, by teaching the rats to read, we think it might be a breakthrough into regenerative brain treatments. Shut the f*** up up the rats don't need to read i saw an article the other day about a rat that could drive a car like a little tiny rat car
Starting point is 00:14:52 really i've seen a dog drive a car no rats can do it as well what is that doing what's that curing you know what truck drivers have it hard enough with tesla coming along with these automated cars they don't need rats coming to take their goddamn jobs i'm starting to think these scientists are merely a pile of rats in a lab coat trying to imagine you called an uber you got the text your uber driver is here it's splinter from teenage ninja turtles so the police have come vick the jacked roofer has come and no one's been able to help a couple of nights later on sunday 4th of september peggy had an idea if the police and the neighbors can't help the next best thing is to alert the media get them to write about it and maybe they can attract the attention of someone who can help. So she phoned the Daily Mirror and explained what was happening.
Starting point is 00:15:47 Shortly after, again, I don't know what's going on. People have time on their hands. But very shortly after, Douglas Bentz and Graham Morris came around to the house. Wow. The Hodgson's said, look, we'll go stay with the Nottinghams next door. Get out of your hair. Leave you guys alone in the house to see what's going on See what you think smart and so the man
Starting point is 00:16:08 Investigated on their own looking at the spots where the phenomena had supposedly taken place I guess checking out the walls checking out the kitchen by the chairs the drawers upstairs But there was nothing it was totally still totally silent. They stayed pretty much all night, but by 2.30 a.m., they got fed up, and they went round to the Nottingham's to get Peggy and the kids. They said, look, the coast is clear. We were here all night. We didn't hear or see anything. The kids are tired. It's 2.30 a.m. You guys get some sleep. But the reporters, being gentlemen, accompanied Peggy and the kids back to the house
Starting point is 00:16:43 just to reassure her that everything was okay. But as soon as they set foot back in the house, Lego pieces and marbles were thrown across the room piece by piece. Both men stood in disbelief and as if to remove any shred of doubt that they were hallucinating this stuff from lack of sleep, a Lego brick flew across the room and hit Graham Morris in the head. Whoa! So Graham and Douglas obviously go back to the Daily Mirror office and say, I just got hit in the head by a ghost brick. You guys need to check this out. So a senior reporter by the name of George Fallows went with photographer David Thorpe to the house. And not only that that they turned to the society for psychical research for help we've definitely talked about them before but they're
Starting point is 00:17:30 kind of like a long-standing society that investigate the paranormal and stuff like that in england there are too many people involved in this case already i mean we haven't even seen a ghost or a spirit yet things Things are just kind of moving. We've already got a family of four or five, two police officers, a news team, a photographer and a roofer. You got this all backwards, pal. This is the kind of shit we don't see anymore. If I called up the Daily Mirror today and told them my chair moved one meter. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:06 That matters to me. That matters to the paranormal research community. But the Daily Mirror don't give a shit. They're too busy writing about, I don't know, celebrities in the jungle or something. Yeah, it's got to be sexier than that. Whereas back in the day, they were willing to write about this stuff, willing to investigate it, get guys on the ground. I guess so. You know what I'm very excited about? It's just a lot of people for not a lot of things but i guess things are stepping up a guy just got hit in the head by some legos yeah so if you got hit in the
Starting point is 00:18:34 head by some legos you wouldn't want the press to be a little concerned we've investigated cases where someone got blasted by the exhaust pipe of a diamond ufo and no one would even return his phone calls well that is true but like you need to give these people this is a problem is too many people go in too thick too fast they pick they call the local press and they don't even do a little like hi how are you they just go straight into i just got blasted in the face with ufo diamonds the receiver goes down and the story you need to be like hey i'm a mother of four i'm a very reasonable person but there are legos in a vortex in my living room right now right you gotta you gotta ease them in ease it ease into it okay
Starting point is 00:19:25 that's that's fair enough so the reporters went to the society for psychical research and they sent newbie paranormal investigator morris gross along for the ride the men visited the hodgson's for a few days in a row and morris described the situation in the house he said i found chaos there were a lot of very frightened people in there. And on Wednesday, 8th of September, after a mostly quiet day, at 1.15am, the three men heard a crash coming from upstairs. They knew that whatever it was, was back. And when they ran into the girls' room and found them fast asleep, they also found that furniture next to the bed had been flipped over and strewn across the room. Graham Morris had said,
Starting point is 00:20:07 When I first got there, nothing happened for a while. But then I experienced Lego pieces flying across the room and marbles and the extraordinary thing was, when you picked them up they were hot, which is relevant to poltergeist type activity. I was standing by the table in the kitchen and a t-shirt leapt off the table and flew into the other side of the room while I was standing by it. I thought, well, that's good. Now I've really seen something. Oh, okay. How can I get you any more on board with this story?
Starting point is 00:20:38 T-shirts and toys are flying across the room in front of reporters' eyes. Look, granted, that's pretty convincing evidence. I mean, the plus side of having this many people involved in a case is that you have a lot of eyes on the subject. Yeah. You seem to have a problem with how many people are in this room. This is like a ghost showing up at Thanksgiving dinner. There's a whole generation of families in this one house
Starting point is 00:21:08 while t-shirts and marbles are flying everywhere. It's a good start. It's a good start. That's it? If the Psychical Research Society said, Roy f***ing Pars, a t-shirt levitates in front of your face and flies into the next room.
Starting point is 00:21:24 The t-shirt didn't levitate. And you're like, it's a start. It's honestly a start. The t-shirt didn't levitate. It traveled. I was standing by the table and a t-shirt leapt off the table and flew into the other side of the room. It leapt.
Starting point is 00:21:38 It flew. It didn't levitate. It didn't hover there. It leapt like a frog, like a human. I'm holding out until I get a little bit more. I've heard big things about the Enfield haunting, you know? In my head, it's this huge big thing and not just marbles and t-shirts flying around like some sort of magician's spell. So I'm excited to hear more.
Starting point is 00:22:00 Within days, the story was on the cover of the Daily Mirror. The headline read, The House of Strange Happenings. As you say, if the press wasn't already hyping this up, yeah, it's the headline on one of the biggest papers in the country. The subheading read, A family are living in fear of strange goings-on that are driving them from their home. And this was the beginning of what would become known in the media
Starting point is 00:22:25 as the Enfield haunting. And in a way, Peggy's plan did work, because London's media did go for it. The same night that the headline went out, Peggy interviewed on LBC Radio at 10.30pm, telling her story. And when she arrived back at the house around 2am, suspiciously close to the paranormal hour, may I add, a BBC journalist was back at the house around 2am, suspiciously close to the paranormal
Starting point is 00:22:45 hour may I add, a BBC journalist was waiting at the door, named Rosalind Morris. At 2am? Oh yeah. What the hell's going on? She explained that she was from BBC Radio 4 and she wanted to witness the house for herself so that she could report it the next day. Rosalind went into the house with Peggy and stayed all night checking out the house and interviewing Peggy and Morris. And crucially,
Starting point is 00:23:13 she saw furniture moving on its own and armed with a tape recorder was able to record several instances of knocking and banging over the house so you can definitely see how this case was building momentum because like you point out there's a lot of people they've dropped a lot of names because i want to like leave the little paper trail of these aren't quacks this isn't like all peggy's neighbors who are like yeah that's crazy peggy i guess your place is haunted right it's like we went straight to Daily Mirror journalists, granted her neighbors, the police, BBC Radio 4 journalists, and at every single turn, everyone who came to see the house
Starting point is 00:23:53 saw with their own eyes a paranormal phenomenon. Yeah, it's definitely a lot more consistent than I thought it was. I was under the impression this is something that happened maybe once or twice or at a certain time of night. It seems like if you just go there at 2 a.m., you're gonna see Lego flying around, marbles flying around, shirts hovering there
Starting point is 00:24:14 like bed knobs and broomsticks. Pretty much. I mean, I have to remember this all started because Peggy and the kids were so disturbed by what was happening, they fled the house. And like, we'll see this all through this investigation that they constantly have to leave because shit is popping off too hard right like i say things were becoming somewhat unmanageable for the hodgesons at first
Starting point is 00:24:37 when they would hear noises or see things in the house they could just escape to peggy's brother's house a couple of doors away but on the 25th of September that year, when they visited Peggy's brother, Peggy's sister-in-law Sylvia was making a cup of tea. And according to Sylvia, a piece of a kid's toy appeared in front of her and then dropped straight down onto the kitchen counter. Uh-oh. This was the first time the paranormal activity left the house. Oh boy, that ain't good they knew
Starting point is 00:25:07 they had to get away from enfield for a while and this is kind of an interesting point like in the movies and probably in the movie they made about this one of the things that people find so frustrating is like why don't they just leave why don't they just run away right these guys lived in a council house for like american listeners who might not have the same system or maybe you don't fully understand but if you uh are given a council house to live in by the government you pretty much don't have too much say in where you get to live yeah it's not really up to you yeah it's kind of because you're getting given it at either a reduced rate or maybe for free in some cases there's kind of limitations so i
Starting point is 00:25:45 think peggy at this point had complained to her like local housing authority and said this is gonna sound crazy but there's legos and marbles no you didn't even let me finish she tried to tell them it was haunted they were like that's not really grounds for you to get a different house yeah uh so they shut her down and fair enough this seems surprising to me um maybe this is like a like an old-fashioned more generous britain but according to the um one of the sources i was getting information from apparently they uh instead of getting her a different place, they funded her to get away with the kids for some time from the house. What? Yeah, so they took a week break and went to Clacton-on-Sea.
Starting point is 00:26:34 Maybe they were given an emergency loan or something, and they basically got away from the house for a week and stayed by the seaside. Because they just wanted to forget about everything that was happening. Let the kids relax and be kids for once. They weren't getting any sleep, which kind of been helping anyone's mental state. Yeah. But sooner or later, they would have to return and face the house. Now, you'll remember when the Society of Psychical Research got involved in this case, they sent Morris Gross, an enthusiastic but fairly junior investigator.
Starting point is 00:27:04 So, as things started heating up at house number 284, the society reached out to Guy Lyon Playfair. That's not a real name. An investigator called Playfair. And he doesn't, by the way, Playfair. It's a pretty giveaway name, yeah. This guy definitely doesn't take off sunglasses. Never.
Starting point is 00:27:23 And if he does, it's only to reveal a smaller pair he had on underneath right he's definitely double eye patches he's definitely french speaks like a very limited amount of english yeah no one really knows about his past it's very shady very cagey about the whole thing one of those people the more you ask about his past the more he pretends to not speak english exactly definitely a member of the galactic 12 at some point he just finished writing his most recent book on the paranormal at this point and was about to go on a relaxing holiday kickback forget about the paranormal we can relate to this uh it's coming up to Christmas, you know. Forget about the paranormal for a while.
Starting point is 00:28:07 We want to leave our haunted house. But after hearing about what was happening in Enfield, he cancelled the bish. Good. Because he decided there were not enough men, women, and children on this case, and he had to go help Morris. So he headed to Enfield for the first of what would become more than 180 visits. Oh my God. And on the 5th of November, bonfire night in England,
Starting point is 00:28:33 Peggy and the kids got back from Clacton-on-Sea. Is that what it's called? That sounds insane. Clacton-on-Sea? That's the most old-timey place I've ever heard in my life. Okay, that's what it's called. English people don't understand that when you're not from England, it all sounds made up.
Starting point is 00:28:49 It really does. They got back from Clacton-on-Sea just in time for a paranormal investigation. Morris and Guy from the Society had decided that... Sorry, I'm just thinking about them, you know, chilling out for a week by the ocean, sunbathing. They're coming back sun-kissed, mellowed out. They just turn up their driveway and there's like these two dudes kitted out in like black leather trench coats. Thank God you're here.
Starting point is 00:29:16 Oh my God, I forgot. One of them's got a goat-headed demon by the horns. Somebody kick him in the nuts, damn it. I know. I did did think i was like why couldn't they wait one day yeah or do it earlier do it while they were gone wait till the kids are at school they did it that night thank god the kids are back we needed them as bait for the demon terrible idea peggy you should you should take the night off go to the bar or something kids we need you
Starting point is 00:29:45 morris and guy from the society had decided that since the entity keeps knocking all over the house that they would try and openly communicate with them through knocking okay smart arrival so with everyone sat around morris plucked up the courage to ask Can you tell me what 2 plus 2 is? Okay, so just like a little warm up I guess But it could be coincidence So he says, okay, this time Knock once for no and twice for yes Oh my god
Starting point is 00:30:22 Did you die in this house? And twice for yes. Oh my god. Did you die in this house? To find out what happened next, you're going to have to tune in to the second part of the This Part of a Life investigation into the Anfield haunting. A two-parter, huh?
Starting point is 00:30:40 A two-parter, mother flippers. Wow. I told you he had 180 visits didn't i couldn't squeeze a little more into episode one it was national goddamn news the paranormal investigators from all over coming onto this thing journalists i thought i would be nice man i thought i'd be neck deep in ghouls right now i thought there would be like a paranormal house party going on project x style i thought they were going to a paranormal house party going on project x style i thought they were going to get back from their their holidays and there's ghost chugging
Starting point is 00:31:10 ghoulish beers in the kitchen things lego pieces flying up people's ass i gave you lego pieces flying up people's asses also there's never been a ghoulish project x party in the history of this show sasquatch is doing a keg stand in the living room it's fine i assume all of this is is happening in the in the second part maybe part three and four part three and four okay it'll only be two parts listen it's the enfield haunting i don't need to tell you that there's some crazy shit that happens yes you do second half so great shit happened in the
Starting point is 00:31:48 first half too but it's even crazier shit happens in the second half it's the Enfield hauntings I don't need to tell you what happens find out next week you know I
Starting point is 00:31:56 get it in an investigation this big you know you don't want to you don't want to brush over the little details it's like when we investigated I think it was
Starting point is 00:32:06 believe it was my last two-parter the american diatlov pass incident where while recording the second part of the episode i realized i could have summed the first up in a string of sentences right but sometimes people wouldn't have got the the big picture they wouldn't have been living through the tension of every moment if you breeze through it you know i felt like i was there i felt like there were lego pieces coming at me while i was listening that's what i think is cool about this case is that i wanted to point out how if we like jumped to how crazy things got like right off the bat it would kind of maybe minimize it make it seem like like we talk about a lot of fantastical stories on this podcast and that it might kind of lump it in with those but i wanted to show with enfield how slowly this built right
Starting point is 00:32:59 over a very like day by day one thing happened after the next and day by day more and more witnesses got racked up and it went from the experience of one lady and her kids to national news it's true you know there's a reason that all of our episodes start with it was a normal day and so and so was driving home. You can't start with interior, night, gray in my face, probe in my ass. It doesn't stop us from doing it now and again. Sure, but that's not how you, you got to ease into these stories. That's right.
Starting point is 00:33:36 This is what we're doing today. So guys, I hope I whetted your appetite for some more. I feel like it's been a little minute since we had a good old-fashioned haunting. Yeah, it has actually. Yeah, you're right. So looking forward to seeing what you guys think about that. So thanks for tuning into the first part of our investigation on the Enfield haunting. If you enjoyed this episode, if you can't wait for part two,
Starting point is 00:34:01 let it be known that there are bonus episodes always available on patreon.com forward slash this paranormal life. And as always, at the end of every episode, we like to take the time to shout out those who have supported us on Patreon. That's what we're going to do right now. Let's go. Thanks to Jason Hall.
Starting point is 00:34:19 Jason Hall is the kind of guy that, much like in this story, when furniture starts sliding down your hallway, you want to get in touch. He's kind of an expert on that tiny field of expertise. The hallway? The hallway. He's like the jacked neighbor in this situation where he'll get out the marbles. He'll get out the tape measure.
Starting point is 00:34:46 See if anything's paranormal. If it not his area no mostly marbles and tape measures is what he's good at but uh you know he looks great while he's doing it so i recommend um i recommend booking thanks also to lewis sputkovich lewis is is a paranormal investigator who had a case similar to this where he tried to investigate using knocking on the walls. But not knowing his own strength, he actually punched straight through the drywall and clocked the demon right in the side of the head. Oh my god. Took it down on first knock. Wow. It was the swiftest paranormal investigation of all time.
Starting point is 00:35:25 I think he got a medal with a right hook like that i know there's heavyweight whatever middleweight lightweight featherweight is there a ghost weight a demon weight there should be he could honestly be a contender thanks also to kevin mccrissican kevin is in heaven because uh uh-oh, he passed away recently. Oh, my condolences. A real tragedy. He took one of Lewitt's right hooks. Oh, he was in the wall. He was in the line of duty.
Starting point is 00:35:59 And by line of duty, I mean delivering pizza to Lewitt's and Judy. So he wasn't even in the wall. He just knocked on the door. He knocked on the door. Ding dong. He even yelled, Domino's delivery service. And Lewitt He just knocked on the door. He knocked on the door. Ding dong. He even yelled, Domino's delivery service. And Lewis just came out swanging. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:36:10 Took him down. First punch. The f***ed up thing is, Lewis, Lewis still ate the pizza. Oh. That's pretty, at that point,
Starting point is 00:36:18 that's just murder and theft. Yeah. So, Kevin. Rest easy. Thanks also to Jake Kennedy Hey, it's Jake from Jake's Fake Cakes The company that hand delivers
Starting point is 00:36:31 Fake Cakes for any occasion Is it fake cakes because you're Making this up or not? I mean you don't No, it's the company that Jake owns Jake's Fake Cakes So the cakes aren't real? The cakes aren't real They look like cakes, you give them to someone on their birthday and they you know you they cut into it with a blade and it's whatever it's a bomb what it's well that was just an example it could be anything else it could be
Starting point is 00:36:55 so he makes so arguably he makes anything but cakes yeah yeah yeah yeah like something sometimes you'll cut into it and it it's just like... Like a... Well, a bomb. They're mostly bombs. Oh, okay. It's kind of like you send your enemy, like, a fake cake. Wow. It's just a bomb with icing on it.
Starting point is 00:37:13 So he's kind of like a 007's Q, kind of. He can fashion any deadly weapon into a cake, it seems like. He can't fashion any weapon into a cake. He can only fashion cake into bombs oh so not so much q because he's kind of a one note uh one note inventor here he's more like c and the c is for ball thanks also to farhan kabir niran farhan wherever so high pitched wow I sing that song because they are the jewel
Starting point is 00:37:50 in my life what's the thing called the freaking stone the star of the sea the rock of the ocean a teardrop some shit like that that's what you are
Starting point is 00:38:04 I butchered the delivery but that's what you are to me You know that piece of shit From that movie that's what you are From that shit movie That's what you are to me baby From that overrated pile of junk Thank you Thanks also to Harley D Brubaker
Starting point is 00:38:20 Harley D if you do not Ride a Harley D I'm gonna be so unbelievably disappointed what's even more surprising is her uh profession which um she is a baker but she doesn't bake cakes oh she bakes brews what yeah like so she will like bake you uh what looks like a cake it's like a fake cake right but it's actually a brew it's a brewski it's a beer it's a beer it's just a budweiser with icing on it and a little cherry on top that's how are there so many fake cake makers you'd be surprised this is one you kind
Starting point is 00:38:57 of send like uh you have like for like a stag you're like anyway in all seriousness enough with the the drink and i want to take a moment to just give you this cake and then he tried and cut it so it's like it's a beer you idiot we'll never stop drinking i feel like you need to be you would need to be pretty you need to have a pretty good understanding of cakes to make something make a beer look like a cake it's very true it's very true at that point you should probably just bake a really good cake. Thanks also to Greg Gardner. Greg Gardner is actually a pretty good chef. Really? Yeah, he bakes.
Starting point is 00:39:31 So he's not a chef, he's a baker? Well, he bakes. He cooks a lot of food. Okay. Specifically? Of all kinds. Cakes. So he's not a chef. Well, he's still a chef,'t he he's a cook no he no no no no he cooks a lot
Starting point is 00:39:51 if you only make cakes that makes you one thing they're not really cakes though you gotta be kidding me it's actually grass this gardener makes cakes with grass okay and by that i mean weed that's right they're hash brownies okay i can see a market for this so it is a type of cake it's a brownie brownies aren't a type of cake it's a type of brownie right also it's 97 percent weed so it's not much of a brownie. These hash brownies might as well be grass crownies. Because they're the king of beers. That's right. It's all Budweiser, baby. Thanks also to Erica Getz.
Starting point is 00:40:35 If don't even... What? I'm just putting it out there. If Erica is any type of... If Erica has anything to do with food, I just don't want to know about it. She's nothing to do with food i just don't want to know about it she she's nothing to do with food all right erica just gets a little upset on her birthday why when well no well don't rush me i'm telling the story she gets a little upset on her birthday because you know she's studying abroad so she doesn't have a lot of friends because, you know, she's studying abroad,
Starting point is 00:41:06 so she doesn't have a lot of friends with her currently. So it could be like a long time. The first part of the Enfield hunting investigation. It takes a little while to tell the story. So yeah, so... A few characters. Like her parents are divorced, so she doesn't necessarily spend a lot of time with either of them. As they're like rediscovering who they are
Starting point is 00:41:22 after 30 plus years of marriage. So also being abroad in a place where you don't have a a lot of friends you don't know a lot of people that can be quite traumatizing so on your birthday you know the least that you deserve is a little bit of cake and that's why she has to bake it herself that. You said, you promised me that she had nothing to do with food. I said she wasn't a baker. And what I really meant was cakes. I said she wasn't a cook. All right?
Starting point is 00:41:50 But she's pretty damn good in a kitchen. Specifically making cakes. She's a baker. She's a cake baker. I guess you could call her that if these were real cakes. This is insane. These are co-cakes. 90% cocaine. 10% weed.
Starting point is 00:42:07 So 0% cake then? Sounds like it's 100% illegal drugs. 90% cocaine, 10% weed, and all bud all the time. She knows how to make a mean cake. And all light as a feather because it's Bud Light, baby. We've got a lot of great chefs and bakers listening to this week's episode. I wish they weren't. I honestly wish they weren't at this point.
Starting point is 00:42:35 And thanks lastly, but not leastly, to Harry Dean. Harry Dean. This lean machine was the first ever chef to try and bake a bean. No one had ever done it before and harry thought hey what if i baked this bean it is kind of messed up because most you don't really think about it but most of the beans you've ever eaten they're baked yeah a lot of them for sure and who do we have to thank for that har Harry Dean. That's right. The very same. The weird thing is, he wasn't even trying to bake a bean.
Starting point is 00:43:09 He was trying to make a goddamn cake. Oh, my God. The whole thing went south. How did it go that far south? There shouldn't be beans anywhere near a cake recipe. That's how it went south, all right? To make a cake, you're supposed to have milk, flowers, eggs. And he only had one bean. There's no way you could make a cake out of a bean as he
Starting point is 00:43:26 learned as he learned but hell that's where we are now shoot for the moon land among the stars harry dean uh i mean wow i really hope i never hear of any of you ever again but thank you for the support please send us cakes crazy it doesn't sound like any of them can make a cake. Thanks for tuning in. We will see you next week for part two of the Enfield Haunting.

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