This Paranormal Life - #174 The Hat Man and the Shadow People

Episode Date: August 11, 2020

This week we investigate what happens when our body slips between the dream world and the real world. Who are the shadow people? And how is everyone across the world seeing the same man watching them?Support us on Patreon.com/ThisParanormalLife to get access to weekly bonus episodes!Buy Official TPL Merch! - thisparanormallife.com/storeFollow us on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTubeJoin our Secret Society Facebook CommunityAdvertise on This Paranormal Life via Gumball.fmResearch by Amy GrisdaleEdited by Louis BlatherwickIntro music by www.purple-planet.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Where do ducks go at night? What happens if you stab a gun? All of these questions you can find the answer to on This Paranormal Life! Hey, welcome everyone! Welcome to This Paranormal Life, the comedy paranormal podcast where every week we investigate a brand new paranormal tale and come to the conclusion as professional paranormal investigators as to whether or not it is in fact true or false my name is roy powers i'm going to be your host for this week and this guy across from me is kit greer my paranormal partner in crime very glad to be here uh interesting question right off the top do you think the ducks do you think they're like up to something or something i don't know i've just never seen a duck at nighttime so yeah but i mean there's a lot of animals i haven't seen at nighttime i mean like

i think any animal suspiciously hanging out in a street corner at nighttime there's like you were walking home and there was like six dogs obviously up to something yeah that's pretty suspicious yeah the only thing you got to worry about ducks because look those little motherf**kers can walk swim and fly they've mastered all three modes of transport they're like the military land sea air they've got all bases covered the next thing is mastering nuclear arms yeah so it's it's just something to keep an eye on i don't know where they go at night and i think we should all be aware of that is it north korea That's all I'm saying. Who knows? Well, Kit, I'd like to welcome you and everyone listening to this episode of This Paranormal Life

to what could possibly be one of our most interesting and terrifying investigations yet. More terrifying than the haunted Toys R Us store? Way more haunted. Double it. Triple it. More haunted than the, or more terrifying than the haunted Toys R Us story? Way more haunted. Double it. Triple it. More haunted than the, or more terrifying than the money pit? Is there anything scarier

than sinking money into a bottomless hole? This story will make you seek refuge in the money pit. This is a lot of talk, so I'm interested to see where this goes. This is a case that not only exists in the world of the paranormal, but possibly resides in the subconscious of every human on earth. We are talking about ducks, my friend.

Where do they go? This is the first time in this podcast history we're actually going to answer a question from the beginning. From the very start. Why is no one asking this? Where the f*** do they go? Today, we're not only going to be talking about sleep paralysis, but also shadow people. And one entity who stands out above all the rest.

Now I will say, I do know that we have some listeners who have experienced sleep paralysis before. And this is no joke. This is a comedy podcast and it will be light-hearted there'll be some you know jokes thrown in there but there will be some creepy storytelling so if it's something that could bother you i would say either proceed with caution or maybe skip this one out holy you're giving people the disclaimer this is the first time we've ever put a disclaimer usually we tell them to go themselves this time we. This time we're having to protect our audience for just how friggin' spooky this might be. Holy damn. Look, there's no time to dilly-dally. Let's just get into the story.

Sean Green lived in Beaufort, South Carolina and was no stranger to sleep paralysis, having experienced it many times in his life. But it wasn't the paralysis that he struggled with. It was what he saw as he lay there, unable to move. One night, Sean awoke in his bed, slowly opening his eyes to see the dark room around him. He tried to move his body, but it wouldn't respond. Unable to move, Sean flutters his eyes, Unable to move, Sean flutters his eyes, glancing around the room. It's dark, but he feels like someone is watching him. In the far corner of the room, he can make out a figure, small and black, crouch down.

Unable to speak or move, Sean watched in fear as it slowly begins to rise. Then, without warning, the figure shrieked and ran at him, grabbing him by the neck. Sean tried to scream, but nothing happens. He went on to say, Horror films don't do anything for me anymore, because what I've seen is even more terrifying. The Babadook is a puppy dog to me, after what I have seen. Kit, this is the world we're going to be investigating today. Not only sleep paralysis, but the world of the shadow people.

Wow, so that's what we're talking about here. That's because I haven't... I don't think we've talked at length about the shadow people before. I've heard the name. But that's what we're literally talking about. Some kind of person that is completely shrouded in black darkness and mystery but is obviously out to mess people up in their sleep now what's possibly even the most terrifying thing about this whole experience is that it is one of hundreds of thousands

in fact even on the official nhs website some of the symptoms of sleep paralysis listed are, quote, No. Feeling like someone is in your room and feeling like something is pushing you down. Those are two official listed side effects. You know that someone wrote shadow people on the list and they were like, we can't publish that as the NHS. the nhs if you imagine if you got a cold and this like the symptoms were like seeing like demons running along the like your bed at night that kind of blew me away that something like that would be on the official nhs website but it is there yeah that means it's happened to enough people that they have to let people know have you ever experienced sleep paralysis yourself

i don't believe that I have, not at least to the extent that I hear from many other people. I've talked to colleagues even in work who've experienced it many, many times. And you hear the same thing over and over and over. It sounds so difficult to believe, but I think the worst that's happened to me is the classic, you know, not being able to move maybe, or, you know, everyone's had that dream where they can't run away or can't make a sound. Well, you had a dream where a cat stole your eyes. Sure.

So that's already... And he was a shadow, sure, but he wasn't a person, so I don't count that. What about you? I've never experienced sleep paralysis. The closest I've ever got to seeing shadow people was, I think think when we were doing a charity video game marathon and i stayed up for i believe somewhere close to 43 hours

yeah uh without sleep and towards the end of the stream in the kind of the edges of my vision i basically i was seeing human figures and every time you glance they were gone the the other weird side effect was other people's voices were all auto-tuned everyone sounded like t-pain it was really strange so you know i'd just be like playing games sitting there and my brother would just be like rory i'm going to the fridge would you like a coca-cola and you're like you've got to cut that out bro you're freaking me out the shadow beings don't like it uh wow yeah i think i mentioned on the podcast before i've definitely had that driving late one night very long distance and i saw a straight up lion uh a giant one by the way

this is borderline simba's dad in the sky size lion uh but on the ground or was he yeah he was in the in the hedges okay he's like give me your eyes not again these cats man now obviously we're talking about these shadowy figures these shadowy people and there's two options here i'll be honest with you one is that these shadowy figures seen by hundreds of thousands of people are simply an illusion. It's our eyes and our brain playing tricks on us. Or of course, option number two, that they are something real and something very paranormal. Today we're going to be pursuing option two. Now while shadow people are most commonly linked with sleep paralysis,

people have reported seeing them while fully awake in their homes, in their neighborhoods, as children, as adults. Some people believe they're ghosts, others interdimensional beings, but even though they appear terrifying and sure, sometimes scream and strangle you a little bit in your sleep a lot of them are actually pretty chill are you sure there's stories of people having experiences with shadow humans where they just stand there or just kind of like watch you they're just in the room but i mean is is a nighttime intruder ever chill right can a burglar be chill can a trespasser be chill someone who stands at the end of your bed and silently stares at you right because of the situation alone they're already they've already broken every every possible faux pas social faux pas they could it's

like what's the chillest a warlord can be he's already pretty f***ing evil yeah Genghis Khan in a hammock still wasn't chill if Hitler went to the Bahamas and was in like a f***ing coconut bra and a hula skirt right he's still bad he's not chill zero percent chill you know he's harassing someone at that tiki bar I think what what people are trying to explain more in this situation is it's the it's the aura it's the feeling you know a lot of the times um with the bad guys you have this kind of like this horrible presence this tension this evil this foreboding sense there's a lot of time you just wake up and you're like hey what's up man and i know what you're gonna say rory a lot of these cases take place at night they're a byproduct

of sleep paralysis who hasn't at some point or another thought they saw a human figure in their bedroom even though people say they're seeing the same thing it could just be an optical illusion or a nightmare whoever that is making a lot of good points but to you then i say kit you because the truth is you you little bastard do you know where the sentence is going of course i know where it's going the truth is kit that that you know that we live in a world i feel like you started off i think you just want to say you and then you had to finish the thought i knew it was going but you asking me if i knew knew it was going but you asking me if i knew where it was going kind of sidelined me a bit so now i just need to get back on track

don't you have a bunch of notes can you just check where you were going yeah but i scrambled them up at the start i freaking tripped on this cat on the way here when you said you i saw you you actually threw them out of the room but the truth is kit that we're not here today to talk about shadow people we're here to talk about one specific figure we're gonna try and figure out how hundreds of people all over the world have been seeing the same man watching them kevin derrick wrote when i was about 13 years old my parents had to leave town for a while. I assured them I could take care of myself, and if anything happens, my grandma lives two blocks down the street. They agreed and went on their ways.

So I'm getting home from school one day, and I decide to kick it in my room and play some games for a while. I'm playing online for a couple hours, and I'm really getting into it. F***ing beating on all these noobs, racking up the points. Then I hear something, footsteps in the hallway outside my room. Not just any footsteps, but loud ones, like someone was walking in heavy boots. Goosebumps immediately spore my entire body. My parents for sure weren't coming home for another few days and no one has a key to the house. I made sure to lock all the doors prior to this because my mom made it a habit for me to lock up every night and morning. I hear the footsteps getting louder and closer to my room. Mind you, I had my door closed and

locked at the time. Thoughts began racing in my head. Am I being robbed? Is this a home intrusion? I grabbed my baseball bat and headed to the door. Then all of a sudden, the footsteps stopped and began slowly heading the other way. I crept open the door and there it f***ing was. Shivers are running down my spine as I type this. I've never seen anything like it. At the end of the hallway, there was a shadowy figure, maybe seven feet tall, wearing a trench coat, boots, and a hat. No details, just an outline. A solid black shadow. It stared at me for a few seconds. At this point, I am paralyzed with fear, because I know what I was looking at wasn't a person.

It didn't say anything. It wasn't shocked or surprised. It was just staring back at me. It stood its ground and didn't vanish like you think something paranormal would do i regained myself and jolted out of the window of my room it's a one-story house so he didn't like he he jumped he jumped out the window holy of his bedroom i called my parents to see if they were just messing with me but they assured me they were hundreds of miles away. It might have been my mom, for all I know. I told them what I saw, and of course they didn't believe me.

They said I was having a nightmare or some stupid shit. Which is unfortunate because he's now lost any privileges. He begged and pleaded to be left in the house on his own. Then night one, he's like, Mom and Dad, dad seriously you need to come back immediately there is a being at the door you would be so pissed off if you were like 15 years old and for months you've been like i'm a man i can take care of myself i've got a baseball bat just get the hell out of here i'll be fine for one weekend and they pack up the car driving

to the horizon and then the first night a shadow man crashes at your pad you gotta be kidding me oh you're killing me with i'm trying to game i'm i'll be honest i'm not a man i don't know what to do now kit that was a story about a very specific type of shadow human known as the hat man wow this figure dominates stories about shadow people to the point where there are online forums groups subreddits all dedicated to talking about sightings and experiences with the tall hat man now i actually genuinely believe that this episode is going to shock some of our viewers who have seen this person before and maybe thought that they were alone in this experience i bet in fact i searched our inbox and we have emails about shadow people and the hat man from steven george heather alicia

humberto and many more i deleted all those emails because i thought they were full of shit some of those emails are even first-hand witnesses with their own stories wow i can't believe this flew under the radar for me thanks for picking this one up yeah i was genuinely surprised that we ignored a lot of these stories some of them some of the first-hand witnesses ended like i'm in the closet right now the footsteps are getting closer i really need some help here guys i just jumped out of a first story uh window and then next week we they listen to the pod and it's like we're gonna be talking about the frog people of narnia and please keep emailing because we've got nothing but garbage now as i said while most shadow humans are usually seen for a moment or two before disappearing,

the hat man often outstays his welcome. Of course. And he was welcome for about 2.5 seconds. While shadow figures have sometimes been described as harmless, the hat man, even without doing anything, has a very different vibe. Okay. Evil, dark energy, a sense of dread and hopelessness those are just some of the words used to describe his presence interesting would you like to see an

artist's illustration of the tall hat man i would love to see that there's not a lot to see i'm not gonna lie it's pretty much a black out full shadow oh interesting so i feel like you guys got the general description we're talking full shadow man in a trench coat of course the only variable was the type of hat yeah uh i don't know why i was i guess because did you call him a tall hat man sorry yes tall was more in relation to his height exactly not the size of his his enormous hat i was picturing top hat uh right but this is more of a i don't know what type of hat is it's not a million miles away from like a panama hat or something yeah people have um have used you know victorian style hat fedora as well yeah it's a it's definitely bigger than a fedora but that style

general style yeah those are kind of his because they're not allowed to see here folks no he looks like he's a redacted human he's completely blacked out it's it's a silhouette of a guy who has a hat and is in a trench coat allegedly sometimes uh people describe him uh as having glowing red eyes and you mentioned what seven foot tall seven foot tall that that again does vary yeah he's always definitely tall he's a tall dude yeah that's interesting which obviously adds to the sense of foreboding i could see why like in our first story with a small shadow being it's uh slightly less threatening than a seven foot tall guy in a trench coat yeah it's kind of a tough situation because if it was a tiny little ghost or a tiny little shadow person yeah sure i

do what i always do dip my butterfly knife in holy water and come at him in the night i come at him from behind yeah i'll ground pound him like mario and he's already going to hit the trip wire that sends the, yes, holy water dipped shuriken across the room. Of course. But you know, if he's a seven foot guy and I know he can at least afford a hat, he's,

he's at least pretty well put together that I feel like if I come at him, he's going to floor me, which I can't by the way, because I'm paralyzed in my bed like a baby. You're already floored. Now, as I said, the story that I just read you is one of thousands collected from a website called The Hat Man Project, a site dedicated to logging paranormal experiences with the hat man.

Interesting. Another story from that site comes from Brittany Sirwan in 2013. The first time I saw the hat man, I was 13 years old. My best friend and I both saw him. He was standing behind a pile of wood. He was tall, dark, shadowed. He had no face. He had a hat on and a trench coat.

He was just looking at us, not moving an inch. I felt such anger emanating from him. My best friend and I just stood there, not knowing what to do, as this man slowly turned and walked away from us. After a few feet, he disappeared in broad daylight, as if he stepped into another dimension. A year later, while lying in my bed reading, I felt the urge to look towards my closed bedroom door, so I did. Standing there was the same man from before, gazing at me. F*** that.

It felt like he was projecting emotions onto me. Dread. Sadness. All loss of hope. He stood there for what felt like forever. But then finally, he disappeared. Now at the age of 22, I have seen him two times in my apartment once in my living room and once in my bedroom. It was the same as before as if he was just dropping by to remind me that evil exists trying to put fear in me telling me that bad things can and

will happen. I've seen many ghosts in my life ever since i was a small child i've met the angry ones the nice ones the ones that don't even know that they're dead wow which we hadn't actually come across i think until last week i didn't realize that was a thing apparently some ghosts don't know they're dead yeah which look i'm not a ghost maybe i am i don't know that's the problem but i feel like there's a couple telltale signs sure if you're eating food and it immediately falls out of your ass you're either a ghost or you need to go see a doctor but we don't know what the catering situation is in the afterlife there may be ghost food and it may be incredibly realistic that's true all right we need to know if you can walk through walls you're probably a ghost you're not normal at the very least i

guess that's true that's a pretty definitive one i would say look at your hands can you see through your hands sir i guess half of our audience are just realizing they're ghosts i guess now that i think about i haven't talked to anyone in uh 200 years i've only talked to you which uh which means that we are probably both ghosts yeah that makes sense that figures yeah our podcast isn't available on itunes people only hear it because we are in everyone's bedroom at night she goes on to say and no i'm not crazy i know this for sure because of the time i saw the dead family in my sister's house that doesn't explain anything britney of all the things i have seen and experienced of all the angry spirits i have encountered this man frightens me

the most i do not believe that he is just a ghost he is something far worse he is perhaps a demon now there are stories of the hat man appearing at night during the day as a dark silhouette with glowing red eyes he's appeared alongside other shadow people as if they were his henchmen and in one story after a witness tried to get a closer look he took off at 25 miles per hour on foot took off like sonic the hedgehog rolled away in a ball of lightning i think it's kind of crazy that um a lot of people have had um paranormal experiences where they see the shadow people during sleep paralysis but a lot of the stories that i saw about the hat man really weren't to do with sleep paralysis people were seeing him like out in the wild people were seeing

him in their living rooms while they're watching tv i mean that son of a bitch was just playing games and he was walking down the hallway it's terrifying really freaks me out. Yeah. I mean, the fact that that woman apparently with her friend saw him outside hiding behind a stack of wood. It's like he's in places where shadows don't necessarily live. Yeah. Like, I get it if it's always in your house at night. If he's outside once, like, he's free. He is not confined. Yeah. A lot of the time we talk about ghosts and it's you know the same old story yeah the ghost is here because he was killed on this rock 200

years ago the hat man has a paranormal passport this mother fast travel anywhere he wants he he has boots and they're made for walking folks folks. This paranormal bastard will wander your halls. He'll probably come up under your covers at night. You want to go cut some wood? He's behind the wood. He can take the tube. He can take the train, planes, automobiles. He is the ducks of the paranormal world.

He can swim, fly, and run. It's terrifying. And he loves bread. Did I mention that that he actually loves bread now one of the cool things to note is that people have had experiences with the tall hat man and shadow people all over the world it spans almost all countries over generations the ancient greeks called them shades in korea it's referred to as gawi nullum and in vietnamese culture it's called bong day meaning held down by a shadow whoa it's kind of crazy that this sort of thing has been

going on for so long i mean there's like ancient medieval paintings of people who are suffering with sleep paralysis with like a little imp yeah i think i've seen those those images like sitting on their chest like weighing and i think for the people who are listening who've experienced it if you see those images it seems to be exactly what people today describe so it's obviously affected humans all throughout history but what we're talking about today is the hat man itself i mean do you find it strange at all that, I mean, how is this happening? How is this figure of a man transcending generations, languages, all barriers to the point where people in different parts of the world without talking to each other or being influenced by the same media or imagery are all seeing the same shadow man it's a fascinating question and it's something that one of our accounts threw up the possibility there um that this is they suggested some type of demon um there are of course a number of possibilities is this a

demon is it a run-of-the-mill ghost? Is it, as someone suggested, some sort of interdimensional traveler? This is maybe some kind of literal being that is not of our world, but has the ability to just, like ghosts can go through walls, they can just walk through the fifth dimension from wherever they came from. Maybe we just don't have the biological apparatus to understand what they look like, so we just see a shadow yeah granted they still have hats hats are universal across every dimension i think it's funny um because when we're talking about shadow people one of the big arguments is like possibly that

your your body is in a state that it can only reach when you're basically like between your unconscious dream self yeah and but fully awake and alert and that's why we see shadow people as we're like existing between those realms for sure but with the hat man he's getting a big mac down the street you're not asleep he's there he's just chilling he's getting a big mac in vietnam and florida at the same damn time. Yeah I don't know if he's like is it the same guy or is he like Santa he has to hit like every house one time a year. He's going down the chimney with a bag of nightmares putting them under the heads of every little child all across the world. The question. His reindeer you ask? A demon for sure. The question you posed about how is it possible that people of all cultures all over the world have seen the same thing.

Eggnog, you said? Forget about it. I did not. He drinks the tears of the lost. Does Santa even like eggnog? I thought he likes milk. I don't know. He's pretty fat.

I think he drinks something pretty fruity or eggy. That's what eggnog is, right? Sorry, I feel like I'm interrupting the story a little bit. I just want to make sure we knew all the comparisons between him and Santa Claus. I feel like you still have a couple more in you. So do you want to just get them out of the way before we continue? Honestly, I think I'm done. Okay, that's great.

So we've got the reindeer presents. Okay, we're good. Sorry, go ahead. The eggnog, of course. Okay, that's great. So we've got the reindeer presents. Okay, we're good. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, go ahead. The eggnog, of course. Yeah. So one of the possibilities- But instead of elves, sorry, instead of-

I thought you said you were done. I thought I was, but I forgot about the elves, obviously. Instead of elves making toys- Right. All you see is the reflection of everyone you've ever upset. Sorry, instead of elves making toys, do the elves exist? Or you just see the reflection of everyone you've ever upset? Their face is like a black hole.

So it sounds like you're just spitballing at this point. I don't know if this is like anyone's opinion other than your own. This isn't necessarily part of the research part of the podcast. That's been very much concluded i'm kind of spitballing the free flow of ideas here which is equally important and it does feel as though you've wrapped up the whole idea of the santa that is actually the shadow man yeah we've talked about all the different yeah yeah we know i think we're totally covered all the bases uh so just further to the point sorry one last thing though tinsel is barbed wire that's it i'm

done sorry and he comes and he wraps around you because you're the tree and you've been cut down and you're alone in the darkness and you get wrapped in barbed wire sorry done the tinsel is barbed wire that's it and the baubles where the tree and the baubles on top right bombs what does that have to do with being a shadow being? What does it, what do bombs have to, bombs exist in our dimension, you know? Are you done? I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. That's it. He's, he's, he's an evil Santa, basically. The fact that people from all over the world have seen the same thing, as you very carefully illuminated, the fact that they've come from all different cultures points to maybe one possibility that you know carl jung talked about

the collective unconscious this is the idea that all humans throughout history we've all evolved from the same something like 3 000 ancient humans who lived in continental africa and that through the millennium of evolving as humans living off the earth in our subconscious today we are all united by the same concepts we all have it's like the tarot cards that we've uh shown on the podcast before yeah all humans regardless of race and creed have a concept of victory loss pride judgments kings victory, loss, pride, judgments, kings, queens, emperors, spiritual leaders. Right, right. This is the firmware of the human supercomputer. And that everything to do with our daily lives and culture and what we watch on Netflix,

sure, that's all the fancy new software. But at the very base of our brain is, let's face it, information about the tall shadow man. Yeah. I mean, this would be a kind of boring scientific explanation, but for some reason, this is tapping into some kind of ancient memory that all humans have pre-installed in their brain when they're born. I guess the only weird thing about it is that why does the prehistoric memory have a hat? That's kind of the question that, you know,

if it is something that's just like engraved in human beings, pretty much since they existed from the dawn of time, why does it have a hat? So I have a personal story to illustrate some of this point. And this is a mystery that I have not yet answered. Is this a personal paranormal story that we haven't heard on the podcast yet? It is. Wow.

All right. Hey, let's do this. This is very exciting. As someone who has taken many psychedelic drugs. Absolutely. I had one experience where I took ayahuasca. People, we might have talked about it on the podcast before. I took ayahuasca.

People, we might have talked about it on the podcast before. This is an extremely ancient, South American, shamanistic, psychedelic, which they take in healing ceremonies that sometimes last days. And basically you imbibe this jungle juice in a kind of very reverential fashion. Not to be confused with special juice, which of course makes babies shit. Right, which makes babies shit.

This is jungle juice. Which actually, now that I say it out loud, it does make you vomit and shit everywhere. But it most famously causes incredible psychedelic visions. And people take this to kind of learn about themselves, about the world around them, and hopefully communicate with Mother Nature on some level. I did this. I saw through the layers of the matrix.

I took the red pill. I journeyed from this dimension to the 11th and back again. But on my travels, I was upset and disturbed at one point because I was visited by a joker, a jester. This little guy was practically in his little... The hat with the bells.

He had the hat with the bells. He had the big clown makeup. He had the whole jester outfit. And he was delighted to see me. I was not delighted to see him. And he's boinging back and forth his head, boinging towards me, like out of a cartoon. That's a real, yeah, that's a real fine line.

Clowns and jesters, you know, they're always dancing on that precipice of being very funny and nightmare fuel and that it was really more the latter uh so i had a gun he had a gun and he was pretty forceful at where he wanted me to go wallet it was the shaman in the ceremony ganking my stuff you drank tap water and he arrested you i drank a glass of tap water he beat me over the head with a boot i took my car keys that little psychedelic trickster you drink half a cup of red bull and you're like i see god vomiting everywhere uh oh i shit myself it's like that was just water to give you before the trunk

at some point the jester left and i was able to enjoy the rest of my experience and have some pretty interesting revelations i didn't think too much about the jester that i saw um i thought that's a little weird but i guess i've you know i grew up in the era of the 90s and the 2000s. I've seen many, many children's cartoons, movies. The Jester is just a popular image, I guess. It's got that Punch and Judy vibe to it. It can bury itself into your subconscious. And then I think I was listening to the Joe Rogan experience one time,

and he basically, word for word, described my experience. The Jester? he basically word for word describes my experience he jester he describes smoking dmt which is actually the active compound within ayahuasca and seeing the jester and it creeping him on the jester bouncing back and forth and laughing at him and i was like okay this is too weird that he had almost the exact same description of what happened i'm'm just going to Google for you to reenact what I did straight after listening to the Jorogun experience. I Googled like psychedelic jester just to see if there was anything else. I found a Reddit thread.

I think it might have been exactly this Reddit thread with the following image. Oh my God. And the... Oh, that's so scary. The name of the thread is is does this ring any bells this is a fairly decent representation of the jester i met and that was posted a couple of years ago and i am freaking out at this point that apparently not only have i and a famous podcaster uh seen this but it seems countless countless other people who have also experienced these psychedelics.

As you can see, Roy, there is like a plethora of depictions of these psychedelic gestures. Oh my God. I almost encourage people to like Google it to kind of see what we're getting at here. Anyway, this is all to say that this is obviously one of two things. Either, like I said, the concept of this gesture, even though he's got a f***ing hat, is buried deep, deep in the human subconscious. Yeah. Or this little bastard is an interdimensional traveler. Either way, either option is pretty paranormal.

Pretty damn paranormal. way either option is pretty paranormal i mean either either it's a creature or an image that basically resides in every single human that can be triggered or he is a little time traveling interdimensional jester because it is it is one of the more like paranormal explanations for what goes on when people take ayahuasca when people take dmt is that they are not just you know putting a spoon in their brain and swirling it around and seeing what happens, seeing what colors they can see, but rather that you are scrubbing clean your third eye and being able to view another dimension. Would you ever try it again? Or is it one of those like one and done sort of experiences? You know, I don't want to encourage anyone to to do it um but i think i

probably would people have said it best when it's it's like it's the only uh drug in the world that makes the more you do it the less you want to do it right it's like i think i did that around probably three years ago and then i stopped drinking for three years straight i was scared sober i remember forever i remember talking to you uh after you did it and i was like i was like well was it because i have such a limited knowledge of it i was like was it good i remember you saying well i'm not afraid to die anymore and i was like that's good i guess my eyes are completely black i don't know i think i'd like to try it it's illegal right is it illegal very oh everywhere no i can't go somewhere and to be fair um you can yeah which of course is what i did ladies and gentlemen uh it's

it's legal in certain countries oh i think like you can probably do it in South America, Netherlands, different places. Hey, I say we just blast off, start the Zoom, record a podcast, just telling everyone what we see. Just us screaming for 90 minutes. So I don't know what this all says in relation to the shadow people, but I guess what I'm saying is I have experience of this shared collective vision of an unknown entity that's pretty good that's you know that's exactly the paranormal evidence that we were looking for another case possibly where you know a creature or some imagery is burned into humans across the world you know i've had my own experiences equally cool uh i smoked a ton of weed once and uh ate a whole

bag of cheetos family size by myself so you know not quite not quite the same level of like extreme but like i definitely but you know i guess you went into yourself and you realized how many cheetos you could eat yeah yeah kind of a similar level of like realization for there was probably like some like medieval night there or something as well just cheering me on he's like wow these are better than medieval food he's also high better than eating live rabbits and drinking piss um all right look i had some great stories there some from our listeners it was emailed in some from the internet and even one from our very own professional paranormal investigator i think it's time to come down here on some sort of conclusion uh into let's let's

look specifically at the tall hat man sure i think this is going to be an interesting conclusion because, look, at what point is it not real? If it's something... This is you, age 15, talking to your parents. They've had to come home early from their trip and unlock the house. You're locked out. You broke both your ankles jumping out the window i'm trying to explain to them that edward the fifth the knight that's been smoking weed with me at what point is he not real because i've seen him jousting in the living room and it's pretty

real to me get mad at me because he brought the weed this is this is medieval weed he didn't give me a choice at what point is it not real if it is something that has been seen by people all across the world be it in their uh subconscious uh not in the physical world how can you argue that it's not in some form real if that makes any sense yeah yeah you definitely this gets to like a deeper more confusing point of what is real and not real i mean we like to come down yes or no but what are we saying if we say is love What about that? I've never seen love. If we say a ghost is real, like we're not saying that you can like measure him with a thermometer or some shit or capture him with a camera necessarily.

Yeah. But if you can, if five people in a room all see it and all swear they saw it, that's pretty damn real. You have to start looking at the problem as as a physical person he does not exist but whatever this is as an image as an entity as even a subconscious illusion it is to a certain point real yeah like i don't want us to get too

squirrely but i think what you're trying to say is, imagine we came down today and say, this isn't real. Someone is going to go to bed tonight, somewhere in the world, and see this bastard. Yeah. So it's real. I think it might be real. Holy moly.

Look, I know that last week was the first time possibly that we had a ghost WS on the podcast, but it's looking like this week. I don't even know what this is a figure a specter but i think for me this week it's gonna be a yes tall hat man's real i don't know what he is if he's some kind of interdimensional being but i think it's a yes double yes another Another one. Racking them up. Set off the alarm. Smash it. Oh, my hand. I cannot believe it, folks. Not only do we have two double yeses in a row, but also neither of them were alien stories.

Which is, that is truly unprecedented. Which is remarkable. Are we going soft in the head from quarantine and lockdown? Maybe. Quite possibly. Quite possibly. Very possibly. We also might be saying yes to a lot of these things because we don't want to piss them off. Just tell them they're real and maybe they won't bother you. Hopefully nobody has any problems sleeping after this episode.

Even though we basically said a demon is real and he comes to you in the night. I luckily I'm one of those people that I don't I can pretty much fall asleep within 10 seconds yeah every night head on pillow gone like a light but i mean that doesn't like it's like a superpower the demon from visiting you surely that's true that is true in fact if anything that gives him a bigger window yeah to to to get like you're you're reliable you're reliable like he knows you're gonna be asleep he's not like waiting outside checking his watch being like it's a son of a bitch still watching the office it's 3 a.m what the go to sleep whereas i am out 8 30 thank you everyone for tuning in and listening to this week's episode of this paranormal life hope you had a good time

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Yeah. Also, make it easy for us, you know, like leave a key under a rock or some shit because the last house we went to, there was a bit of a miscommunication. He said could only do wednesdays we were busy wednesdays we just went anyway smashed in the door just unhinged it from the other side uh his whole family were there for thanksgiving at the time we come in ass naked because we were under the

impression he would provide the clothes and you are not very welcome butt naked at a family's thanksgiving because he didn't he had the gall to not tell his family about the the shadow people arrangement yeah so his dad's just sitting there top of the table cutting the turkey and i'm there in the doorway and he has the gall to not offer us a slice unbelievable so go on over to patreon.com and check out all of those sweet rewards and if you do support us on the podcast what we like to do is give you a special little shout out so thank you to amanda this is one amanda i don't want to see amanda stand at the end of your bed wearing a trench coat and a hat that is a dangerous man to stand at the end of your bed wearing a trench coat and a hat that is a dangerous man to see thank you also to jacob pop a neck if you bad mouth jacob he'll pop your neck what he will pot

he grabs it in his hands and squeezes like the freaking terminator you're gone a tube of yogurt pops your damn neck thank you also to andyversa. Andy, are you a mountain? Because I want to traverse ya. Which basically is a poetic way of saying that, um, I'm probably going to hit you with my dirt bike. Holy. That's how you get up and down mountains? Yeah, of course.

So just watch out, buddy. Thank you to Edward Shockcross. Edward designed something called the Shockcross. It is a taser crossed with a crucifix designed to take down vampires. Wow. Just in case the holy thing doesn't get them. Yeah, in case the holy spirit doesn't take them down. He's got old father electricity coming in with the old second punch.

Father, son, and the holy nine nine volts it's not a lot of volts thank you also to helen deacon helen deacon you are a beacon of hope in my life which i need because um you know lately things have just been like a ship just lost in the in the fog just you know all the other men have jumped overboard and i'm just pissed off my ass at the wheel of this bad boy i'm borderline looking for rocks at this point probably yeah for sure so thank you for being a beacon of hope thank you to kai mcd kai is smoking that mcd oil getting high i don't think that's that's not the right abbreviation mcd just relaxes you gets you that's that bob marley shit what do you think that what does mcd stand for

mighty chonged dude kai is very very high he's a mighty chonged dude mc mcd oil i get you high high that oil man it it marvelously marvelously cranks my dong the only thing worse than a massively chong dude thank you to april nichols april nichols has got the tickles but don't tickle her or she'll die what What? Why? She's allergic to... It's a very, very rare medical... Allergic to tickles? Very, very rare medical condition. If she so much as a feather drifted past her armpit, every bone in her body would break instantly. Are you sure she's not allergic to feathers?

That could be the ducks, actually. That could be it. It could be the ducks. Thank you to Matthew Tweddle. Matthew Tweddle from Tweddle's Medals. We've obviously recruited him for the Paranormal Commune. Some of you have complained about the amount of radiation emanating from the... What we're all calling right now, unofficially, the secret bunker.

Alright, we just need to address the glowing neon elephant in the room. Alright, and that is of course the secret bunker. It's not very secret anymore, granted. Radiation levels are gonna drop. We got the metal expert coming in. It's gonna be boarded up. So, partially because so no one can see it anymore. But also to keep in some of this alleged radiation

She will be wearing a hazmat suit, but that does not mean That it's radioactive. No, we don't all need one It's fine just him and make sure if me and kit have one as well to make him feel comfortable. Yeah Look, I'm actually jealous. Y'all are the ones gonna get some dope ass mutant powers. All right It's glowing like a rave glow stick. Thank you to marry Mary is one of three siblings marry and kill Three little girls all born to the same freakish father and mother I don't know why you would call your second born f**k

and your third kill. Mari got off, you got off pretty lucky, actually. Thank you to L of Earth. L of Earth definitely sounds like a suspicious name that an alien might give themselves to blend in with humans. To make it really seem you seem to be very defensive that you're from earth you shouldn't have to include that in your name we already assume you're from earth if you have a name of course yeah on the patreon account

thank you to cassie please everyone welcome to the commune. Cassie from Tallahassee. Welcome, welcome. A leading expert in radiation poisoning. Just coming by to just check out the place, see what's going on, have a little chat with the locals. Stick some rods in the ground. You know, usual kind of stuff. But she's going to be here for a little while while we sort out the bunker. So everyone just give her a warm welcome. Nothing to do with it it though just she was booked to come and visit on holidays anyway i know we we've never

had a visitor before but first time for everything exactly and i said give her a warm welcome but really please do not touch her uh don't touch anyone don't touch us just keep distance from everyone and stay in your homes. Stay in your glowing green homes. Thank you to William Coppins. William Coppins is always going to hop in. He's always going to hop in and pop in in the middle of the night. So if you're driving, whatever you want, you know, you just be going to bed in the middle of the night and you just hear like the window opens.

Hey, just thought I'd pop in. Yeah, going through a window, an unlocked window is not not popping in i don't think that's a little weird can i rethink that one william thank you to austin check austin you better you better austin check yourself before you austin wreck yourself that's what he says because he's a stuntman and he often wrecks himself. Austin often wrecks himself. He rarely checks himself. Like when it gets to the point where it's like, we should really make sure that the harness is fastened. He's just gunning that motorbike down the ramp.

They haven't even finished building the thing yet. So there's no altitude to it. It goes straight into the 14 buses place at the bottom. You know, they're in a fight scene they're like austin do you want to take this next run house kick from jackie chan on your on your right side because uh your left side is is broken to all shit you you can barely stand it's gone and he's like nah i don't check my the status of my health and then i wreck the status of my health and then jackie chan took him down wrecked him thank you to patrick bell ring a ding ding patrick bell got his name because uh

in the old medieval times before bells were invented uh he would just stand at the top of the um the clock towers and just scream every hour to let people know. Because they didn't, like you say, they hadn't worked out the sound of the bell, so it wasn't even a ring-a-ding-ding. It was just yelling. Yeah, and if it was 12 in the afternoon, he'd be like, and of course everyone's below just being like, just say 12. Just tell, just yell the 12.

We can hear you. It's a very small time. Thank you to Brendan Grange. Brendan Grange is an actor with range. This guy has never typecast. He's been everything. He's been a freaking tree. He's been a freaking bush.

He's been like a little plant. Sounds like a lot of wood-based natural things. Has he ever been a human bush he's been like a little plant sounds like a lot of wood based natural things he would have been a human person no not no he hasn't technically been a human person but in the musical theater version of lord of the rings right yes right he didn't play treebeard himself but one of treebeard's accomplices who was a bush was a boy. He wasn't an end at all There was no lines for Brendan Thank you to Heather McMillan Heather McMillan is making a killing that is because she is a nuclear physicist employed at the commune

Just just to check thing check things on you know yeah hang on, just see what the vibe is down here. She's getting paid a lot, though. She's getting paid most of the money we have because her work is very, very urgent. Irrelevant is what Kim meant to say. Very, very irrelevant, her work is. Because there's nothing really... Her qualifications really play a very small part

in the reason why she's here. She's here for, obviously obviously a love of the paranormal uh not to her years dedicated to um containing contaminated radioactive sites um that's just something that she does in her spare time you know i play squash does that come up no so let's just just everyone just drop it thank you you to Barack Obama. Wow, very exciting to have President number 44 from the parallel planet Smurf listening to the podcast. Smurf? Smurf. Planet Smurf.

Not Earth. Earth. I have to ask. Yes? Do Smurfs live there? No. Right, because Smurfs aren't real. I knew that.

Yeah. It's just given the same name it's pronounced smurf oh all right so this is a little embarrassing you've kind of shown your hand in your knowledge of paranormal universes hopefully in one of those paranormal universes there's a smart kit you know so you're saying barack barack obama is the 44th president on the planet smurf yeah interesting and you should show him some goddamn respect thank you lastly but not leastly to jeppe hansen maric if it isn't jeppe handsome hansen oh nice uh pretty much the most uh Oh nice. Pretty much the most

Gorgeous man to ever be born on planet Smurth. Oh, that's right I do know a little thing or two about the planet itself. Wow. I'm being shown up here That is because he's the only man to be born on planet Smurth The people that live there are not technically men or women But that does make him the most handsome of the people. Oh, all right of the man who's been born there Does that mean Barack Obama's not a man? he's He's actually a smurf He's the only smurf on smurf

They were so blown away they elected him leader of the whole planet it's pretty up actually because he's like all the rest of them are like 10 feet tall and he's i don't know like a little pebble but he is a great leader he is a great blue leader so thank you so much to everyone who has supported us on patreon.com once again the links to everything that you need to find are in the podcast description so check some of that out and as always we will see you again next tuesday for a brand new paranormal tale they're calling oh my god oh my god a duck she's learned to call shit hello you gotta stop asking questions boys