This Paranormal Life - #197 Skinwalkers - Shapeshifting Humans That Exist to KILL

Episode Date: January 26, 2021

Driving through the desert late at night can already be a pretty scary experience, so what would you do when a stranger starts running alongside your car, clawing at the doors? This week Kit and Rory investigate the legendary Navajo Skinwalkers.Patreonhttps://patreon.com/ThisParanormalLifeYouTubehttps://youtube.com/thisparanormallifeTwitterhttps://twitter.com/ThisParaLifeInstagramhttps://instagram.com/thisparanormallifeSecret Society Facebook Pagehttps://www.facebook.com/groups/thisparanormallife/Edited by Kami Tomanhttps://tomanedits.comResearch by Amy GrisdaleIntro music: https://www.purple-planet.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Is human food alien food to aliens? We've all had Diet Coke. Why can't we drink diet water? All of these questions you can find the answer to on This Paranormal Life! Welcome everyone to This Paranormal Life, the comedy paranormal podcast where every week we investigate a brand new paranormal case and come to a conclusion as to whether or not it truly is paranormal or not. You guys have the questions. We have the answers. My name is Roy Powers. My co-investigator sitting beside me right now is Kit Greer. Are you ready to dive into the world of the paranormal, Kit? I'm shaking in my boots and I haven't even heard what we're

covering today. Diving into the world of the paranormal is like teaching a kid to swim. You gotta go to the deep end of the paranormal. You gotta push him in. Sometimes it's easier if you really want to teach him a lesson. You gotta handcuff him. Or cover him over the head beforehand. Rip the float out of his hands before pushing him in. Yeah, when he's not looking, use a little penknife to pop his rubber ring.

And then distract the lifeguard so that no one's coming to help him. Because that's a crutch. To think that someone's going to help you. Hey, you're not getting any help in the paranormal pool, all right? Slip the lifeguard a 20 to take an early lunch break. How do you teach your kid about Bigfoot?

Hey, bud, here's five pines. Go get yourself a falafel while i try to kill a child you get arrested immediately oh come on you're supposed to be guarding my life sir not ruining it all the kids in the pool are beating you up while he's handcuffed you on the floor with those big like pool noodles noodles today we have an incredible case one that's been emailed in um a number of times over the years and i think it's about time that we we finally got to it we're finally talking about euthanasia you asked we're talking about it that's complicated controversial

end of life certainly not paranormal for sure it's a little paranormal it's about the afterlife actually yeah you got you got me banged rights there. No, unfortunately not. That is a bonus episode. This week, we're going to be talking about a creature, a myth, a legend. Without any further delays, let's dive into our story. The story today starts in the small town of Window Rock, Arizona, home of the Navajo Nation Reservation. It's a dark, overcast night out in the remote desert, and Reddit user Neptune420 and his dad JJ are out in their truck making a delivery

to the town of Gallup, New Mexico. It's a monotonous journey down a dead straight highway, and the pitch-dark night was filled only by the sound of rumbling tires on the road. Behind them is their friend Travis and his girlfriend, following along to visit some friends. The two trucks begin to crawl up a steep hill trying to maintain control on the damp ground. When they reach the top and begin heading back down, JJ can just about make out a shape further down the road. It looks like an animal, maybe a wolf or something, crouched down in the middle of the highway without taking his eyes off the creature JJ reaches down and picks up his radio to check in with Travis in the other car

Hey, Trav. Do you see that big-ass dog? A moment of silence passes and then That's not a dog Speed up right now. Speed up and hit it! Hit it JJ! You have to hit it please. Hit that f***ing thing right now. In sheer panic, JJ floors it and the truck starts barreling down the hill. I like this attitude. No questions asked. Hit it with your truck.

The cars are hurtling towards the creature and as their headlights illuminate the dark silhouette, the men freeze in terror. The creature in front of them isn't a human or an animal. It's a bone-chilling blend of the two. Its facial features were contorted as if the creature was in extreme pain. And it was covered head to toe in matted, blood-stained fur. They're now inches away from smashing into the monster, and JJ's foot is still firmly on the pedal. Suddenly, it lets out a blood-curdling scream

that sounds like someone crying out as their lungs fill with water. Jesus, man. This is so descriptive. It's pretty descriptive, isn't it? For Neptune 420. Yeah. Amateur novelist. It suddenly springs backwards and leaps towards the fields, clearing a barbed wire fence and disappearing into the blackness.

Whoa. So that's a pretty big jump then. Oh, huge. Yeah. Clearing a barbed wire fence. From the road. Absolutely. Yeah.

That's like Robin Williams when he's got the flubber on his shoes in the nba game he can't stop himself he's going zero gravity holy moly still traveling near top speed travis's voice bursts through jj's radio holy shit keep driving we gotta get out of here we have to go faster over and over again he screams the same words we have to get out of here. We have to go faster. Over and over again, he screams the same words. We have to get out of here. We gotta go faster. I feel like I am JJ. Yeah.

You've been blindsided. I'm blindsided. Blinded by the light. Blinded by the fright. And blinded by the night. Because I haven't been eating carrots. I can't see shit. I mean, what would you do in that situation?

Split second decision, someone says run over that thing. What do you do? It's very easy for the person who's not in the front to say hit the beast. Yeah. Because they don't have a horse in that race. Yeah. You know, like if you call back to me and you're like, hey, Rory, I'm up here. I think I see something in the road.

I'm just going to be back there, sunglasses on, feet up on the dashboard being like yeah i hit the thing i don't give a rat's ass hit it hit it put your foot down hit it go for it why are you so insistent yet chill but but the passion that uh and the fear that comes through in that in that call it almost seems like they know what's up there it seems like it i mean by the way hitting something i don't know what kind of vehicle they were in but hitting something at that speed is not a decision to be taken lightly like you could easily total your vehicle be stuck in the desert which is a pretty dangerous place to be um not even considering the injuries you would sustain hitting something like that.

Oh, yeah. Like, I've hit a bug once driving quite fast. And I almost swerved off the road. It was terrible. That was your driving test as well. So they didn't appreciate that. I may have been swerving prior to the bug. Sure.

And the bug just came along. Yeah, my driving instructor just like hit it hit that hit that butterfly in this rory you're like is this a test i'm starting to think i parked on the side and a random man got in my car i don't think you're the driving instructor i am i am now let's go by the 7-elevenven. I need to get some Bud Light. Yeah, that's tough. That's really tough. I don't think there's almost, you know what? I'm going to go as far to say there are no situations in life where accelerating when there's an object in the road is the right thing to do. Yeah. I think like even road safety etiquette would say, all right, if you see a cat in the middle of the road, don't stop.

If you emergency stop, you're going to endanger people behind you. If you swerve, you're going to endanger yourself and people in your car. But they don't say speed up. You got to make sure you hit it. You don't want to let that little bastard get away. It's more kind to make sure it is obliterated off the face of the earth than just has a broken leg. Yeah, it's a difficult situation to be in for sure. Coming back to your point, it does sound as if Travis had some experience.

He thought there was a reason we need to hit this lest it get away. Exactly. Well, the trucks continued to punch the gas, creating as much distance between them and whatever they saw. They quickly began to approach their destination in New Mexico. but before they arrive, flashing lights appeared behind them. The men reluctantly pull over and a police officer taps on the driver's window. His face contorted in pain. The f***ing beast went GTA, stole a f***ing cop car. The cop spoke. stole a cop car the cop spoke little fast there gentlemen JJ replied I'm sorry officer we were trying to get away from something we just can't explain JJ starts to describe what they've just

seen the horrible blood-covered half-man half-beast The cop turns pale. He starts backing away towards his car, looking shaken. Ah, I'll let you off with a warning this time. Just go safe, okay? But officer, what about the- I said f*** off! Get the hell out of here! Wow, what a reaction. I know, right?

Holy. That's not exactly what you want to hear from- I will say I did take some creative liberties with the f**k off get the hell out of here but it was definitely implied in the story it's not the courtesy and respect that we expect from the boys in blue exactly every other part of this story is factually correct once he was told about the creature the officer allegedly turned pale returned to his car drove away immediately without any more questions he doesn't want any part of this that's bad that's not when when the you just opened up to the authorities about when the police officer doesn't want any

part of crime that's a bad idea that's a problem but it means you've got no one to turn to when stuff goes wrong what if that thing turns up again your car won't start it's like the horror movies you're dialing 999 and they're just like let it ring that guy's done for yeah at the very least you'd start i don't know you'd start doing weird illegal shit just to get a ride to the station with the cough yeah you'd be like you know you could say like hey i saw this half man half beast can you please help me get back into the city he's like i don't want any part of that you're like oh my god right well i'm guessing i'm gonna smoke a bowl of crack right here now in front of you no don't do that all right get in the get in the car then fine sure yeah you're like the uh mobster that uh wants to get put back into prison because

he's safer there yeah exactly because he's got so many so many skinwalker enemies on the outside now i know from the descriptions it sounds like we're talking about one of our classic hybrid cryptids the donkey lady the lizard man a creature that is half human half animal but today that's not the case we're talking about something even more terrifying a creature known as a skinwalker interesting i feel i feel that many people in the commune out in the listenership will have heard that name but like me maybe don't know exactly what that is i mean as as we all know uh we did touch on this subject briefly on our investigation into skinwalker ranch right even though we said the word skinwalker upward of 30 times it wasn't really about the skinwalkers that was almost like a local name

exactly yeah in our defense there was a lot of other shit going on on that ranch yeah i'm pretty sure aliens killed a dog at one point aliens might have killed the skinwalkers yeah so that we didn't see any i think we're fine leaving the skinwalkers for another day which is today so what exactly are skinwalkers it's a good question that has a few different answers they've been described in western culture as a sort of native American boogeyman. Okay. Evil witches with shapeshifting powers.

The Native American for these monsters is Yenarld Lushi, which loosely translates to the one that walks on all fours. Interesting. They're shapeshifters who can possess the bodies of animals, most often appearing as coyotes or other wild dogs, but have sometimes even been known to possess the body of humans. Wow. Creepy shit. That is very creepy.

Also interesting that they just get the name that literally means the one who walks on all fours. Quite a lot of things walk on all fours. So for this to be the most important one, the one that gets the dot com address exactly yeah that's pretty significant puppies are the ones that walk on all fours to me alligators are the ones that walk on all fours there's a lot of creatures that walk on all fours i guess maybe this is in terms of the one referring to the one in the human race that walks on all fours oh that's where they're

coming from okay yeah i know what you're thinking why haven't we heard more about these skinwalkers well there's a pretty good reason because like fight club the only rule of skinwalker club is shut the f**k up about skinwalker club native americans don't like to talk about them at all not with each other or outsiders and they definitely don't like writing about them on the internet to help paranormal investigators and that's where neptune 420 comes in he doesn't give a about native american tradition he's the edward snowden of the native american community a whistleblower who's given it all out for free. These guys are staying quiet about some pretty bad things. Like, I do understand if this is an important part of your culture that you would, you know, like to respectfully keep to yourselves.

But if there is a half-man, half-coyote in the desert, I'd like to know about it. I'd like to know if I should speed up. Because I would slow down and see if he needs help. So that actually makes a lot more sense. They don't like to talk about it i'd like to know if i should speed up because i would slow down and see if he needs help so that actually makes a lot more sense they don't like to talk about it they call it the one that's on all fours yeah it's almost like a voldemort type situation they don't want to speak its name don't say yeah don't say its name that it's who shall not be named gotcha but there's also another good reason that first nations people are afraid to talk about skinwalkers.

Not only is it considered straight up bad luck to just speak their name, but many also believe that talking about skinwalkers can summon one. Right. That makes a lot more sense. It's like Facebook ads. It's listening at all times. At all times. It's like once in your daily life you mention the word ray-bans like hey you know i'm thinking about getting a pair of ray-bans

you go online ray-bans ad facebook ray-bans ad instagram ray-bans ray-bans hey do you want some ray-bans they're the online version of skinwalkers you mention it they're there following you website to website. So true. That's why white people don't talk about Ray-Bans. It's in our culture. We keep it secret. We're too afraid. They're already too powerful. We don't want anyone else to buy them. But the important point to make today is that just because these creatures are not talked about does not mean that they're not seen. Another story follows a woman named Aisha Ninja who claimed that one night her family were stopped. Did you say they're called Aisha Ninja?

I think it's Aisha Ninja. Okay. Aisha Ninja. Sounds like Sean Connery saying Ice Ninja. Aisha Ninja. The story comes fromy saying Ice Ninja. Ice Ninja. This story comes from someone called Ice Ninja. Claims he has a shuriken colder than the frosted desert.

This is like if he was in a really bad B-movie. This is no normal ninja. It's an Ice Ninja. What the f*** am I doing with this script? I'm better than this. I'm James Bond, you know. F***ing ice ninja. Ice ninja starring Sean Connery.

Someone has to make a promotional poster for that. I can't promise that this next story will be as captivating as the plot of Sean Connery's Ice Ninja. But it's a good story nonetheless, so let's hear it out. Ice Ninja and her family lived in a rural community on the Navajo reservation. One night when her family were home alone, they began to hear noises from outside, as if someone was digging through their garbage. Her oldest uncle decided to peek outside, maybe it was a raccoon or a bear. He looked out the front window and saw a figure out by their truck. Whatever it was, it had opened the doors and was digging through the items inside. This was particularly strange

because their closest neighbor was miles away. So reluctantly, her uncle grabbed the family rifle, burst out the front door, cocked it. It doesn't sound reluctant at all. I think he was ready to go. Well, he's sure it's an exciting moment in his life, buddy. He doesn't want to. You heard a can fall over outside. All right, if I have to.

He's gone up in the attic to get the family rifle. You guys see my grenades? I don't think you'll need them I think he's trying to appear as intimidating as possible. Okay, so he never even has to fire the gun So he's probably got Ray-Bans on there. I said it kick and open that front door to whoozy's in hand Yeah, but he doesn't he doesn't want to fire a bullet. He just wants to scare it off Okay, the figure stopped and stared at the man seemingly unfazed by the weapon.

And then, it slowly began walking towards him. Stay back! Don't make me use this! The uncle fired a warning shot, but nothing happened. As the dark figure drew closer, the family began to smell something like a rotting corpse. Holy, that's definitely what these things smell like. Oh yeah 100%. At that moment, Aisha Ninja's grandparents returned in their truck. The sound of the car and the flash of the headlights must have startled the creature

as it slowly moved away, hiding behind a tree near the house. I see why we had to speed up. It's not scared of guns, but it's scared of cars. Yeah, and flashing lights. Once her grandfather was told about what happened, he ran into the house, grabbed a handful of ashes, rubbed them over the gun, and placed an ash-covered bullet into the chamber.

He walked outside onto the porch and fired towards the tree. The gunshot echoed in the dark, and the figure took off running. but the men didn't stop there. They jumped into their truck and chased after the creature driving through the rough terrain. The truck was bouncing so the headlights weren't fixed on one particular spot but the uncle swears that when the headlights hit the figure he saw a woman running on all fours like a bear. Jesus. Something about it being a human makes this 10 times scarier in my head.

Absolutely. I mean, if it was, you know, some kind of weird wolf, if it had even been the lizard man. Yeah. I don't know why it's just so disconnected from reality that it's kind of hard to imagine. But yeah, if these headlights bouncing up and down briefly catch a glimpse of this like contorted yeah woman running on all fours oh it just sends chills down my spine something so scary about that it's dreadful yeah i mean there's a reason for sure uh you know you think of the most terrifying moments in movie history you think of like the shining for sure. You know, you think of the most terrifying moments in movie history.

You think of like The Shining or something. You know, it is. It's the woman in the bathtub. It's the little girls. There's something about it. It kind of feels like popular anime Attack on Titan. Okay. You know, that show is all about these huge creatures basically destroying a city like Godzilla.

Sure. That's not that terrifying a concept. But the fact that these titans are just big humans, not like giants, but these weird contorted big humanoid creatures, makes it a thousand more times terrifying than if they were a big tall lizard man like Godzilla. Yeah. Something so human about it that makes it even weirder and creepier. Yeah. I think people have talked about these kinds of things in science. Humans have this

built-in kind of disgust mechanism where if something looks a bit off, we feel scared. Right. And this is part of the reason why games designers and AI people have such a hard time making models of humans for movies and games that are realistic enough for us to like looking at them. Because most of the time, when we look at models of humans, we just go, oh, this is kind of creepy. I don't really want to look at this. Yeah, like cold, soulless CGI eyes. The uncanny valley.

Yeah, really off-putting. It is very interesting. That's why this story is so cool because we're not dealing with you know a half lady half donkey we're dealing with this weird shape-shifting creature well her grandfather eventually stopped the truck he got out and began yelling into the darkness her uncle said that he was yelling about a local woman that he wasn't scared and that he knew it was her and to leave his family alone a few days passed and there was news that the woman her grandfather was yelling about had passed away oh interesting stuff here so is this insinuating that there was maybe a possession

possibly this woman who passed away had her likeliness or body stolen by a skinwalker interesting the two can somehow be related which is very that's spooky that's awful to think that the skinwalker a bit like a vulture circling overhead it can sense when you're near the end and it just ganks your body yeah that's not that's not cool all right if you want to if you want to kill me go ahead whatever fine once it's done don't take my face yeah don't take my face and go rummaging around in other people's cars that's weird man let me at least lie there just dead yeah i've built a reputation over the years that i intend to keep after i pass away exactly yeah don't tarnish jacking off in the town square or straight after i die although in hindsight that is a pretty good

excuse if you ever get called out for doing something inappropriate it's like what are you talking about although now you mention it i didn't see a coyote in east london two nights ago wait you don't you don't think they're like no we don't think? And they're like, no, we don't think. You've logged the whole thing on your Snapchat. I don't think the Skinwalker would do that. You took a shit on a cop car while saying, it's me, Rory Powers. I don't think Skinwalkers go live on Periscope

and say, subscribe up top, comment down below. Why does he care how many subscribers you have? on Periscope and say subscribe up top, comment down below. Why does he care how many subscribers you have? So after these stories we do kind of know what these things are, but how did they get here? Well the Navajo people believed that skinwalkers were once accomplished shaman or medicine men in their communities. These shaman would use their powers for the good of the community and were brought in to do everything from healing the sick to sometimes even raising the dead. Wow that is good. That's a tough job to not know what you're dealing with every day. Yeah. You know are you coming in being like, all right what is it today someone got like a scratched knee or like a

bum elbow or something I gotta fix and he's like no tony croaked last night so we need you to actually bring him back oh f***ing hell i haven't even had a coffee can someone get me a latte i'm gonna bring tony back i'm gonna need a latte gonna need a latte we're gonna need some defibrillators like is that even magic now or is this science i'm the shaman shut up sometimes when performing their rituals they would wear an animal skin over their face it could be a bear a wolf or something similar not only that but the suit was adorned with the skins of frogs bats snakes whoa with beaks toes tails of birds hooves of deer holy tails of goats pretty much everything that flies swims or runs

was uh was attached on to these these skins jesus is kind of mystery meat i don't know if i would want that if someone was performing evasive surgery on me yeah to have to constantly be pushing the the frog skin out of their eyes is this hygienic yeah i think a beetle just fell in my wound sir i don't appreciate this also why am i still conscious why am i still conscious i can see my bones interestingly shamans were paid for their work, resurrecting the dead, whether the ritual worked or not. Which is a pretty good deal to have payment up front. Yeah, that makes sense. If I was, I don't know, a guy who deactivates bombs, I would want payment up front.

It's pretty risky business. If you're dealing with the afterlife and magic. Right. It's like, I'm risking my neck here. I don't need to like not make money on a kind of risk in my neck the chief is like you know bombs aren't magic right i need you to tell me that before you go in there with your what looks like a bag of frogs it's like so jason you've got the plan right i go in there go into the shadow realm. No, no, no, no, no. No. Here's the plan with the wires.

You just need to snip the red wire. Right, right, right. Got it. Okay. So snip the red wire. The red wire. It's as easy as that. This is perfect, man. I sharpened my eagle beak this morning.

So it's going to be ready. No, no, no. We've given you all the tools you could possibly need. Where's the eagle beak coming in? To cut the wires. No. No, their beaks are like razor. Scissors.

Fine. We've got regulation scissors for this all right fine so then i use the scissors to cut the beak off the bird no to cut the wires should be these are words that shouldn't be in your vocabulary as a you're a bomb expert right we were listen we were worried whenever you went to peru on holiday last couple weeks i guess for training right that was you were sent me out there to learn the ways of the Whenever you went to Peru on holiday the last couple weeks, I guess you... For training, right? That was... You were... You sent me out there to learn the ways of the spells. I feel like...

We were hoping that you would just have a nice relaxing beach holiday. Seems like you spent a bit of time with a shaman. Well, yeah, of course I wanted to perfect my trade. Turns out to perfect the trade, you have to perfect the dark arts. Okay. Because what's more dark than making a bomb? There is 30 seconds on the clock get in there with the eagle beak and do whatever you can immediately trips over his wolf pelt

face plants knocks out bomb goes off the irony is the bomb goes off and a magic shield forms around him everyone else dies we did it officer jenkins he's like a skeleton crumbling behind him oh no you've been cursed i have an illustration here of what what the kind of classic look was for the time okay i'd love to see that you go he's a little picture whoa wow this is really something else this is kind of like a ancient ghillie suit you know the way those military type people they would wear you know kind of uh a suit that's covered in um you know moss and grass and swamp stuff right right to blend in with their atmosphere this is kind of the same but made of animals if you were blending in to the cast of the lion king possibly yeah it's

very ornate it's kind of beautiful kind of terrifying yeah yeah that's a really good description wow that's something now i feel like we've been bigging these guys up you know pillars of society incredible medics let alone magicians how did they become skinwalkers? Well, this is what happens when a good shaman goes bad. And I don't mean in a sexy way, like shamans gone wild. The legend says that a medicine man can execute a series of rites to become a skinwalker. One such ritual is performing a grisly taboo, an act of evil such as killing a loved one. Wow. Once the transformation is complete, the newly created skinwalker is usually chased off the reservation by the community it once vowed to serve.

It now lives in banishment for the rest of its existence, fending for itself in the wilderness. But how can this happen? How can pillars of the community volunteer to transform into bloodthirsty beasts well you see in order to complete this process of becoming a fully qualified shaman you have to study evil in depth and some don't have the strength to resist the dark forces they encounter and they're compelled to serve them wow that's pretty interesting so kind of like uh if the jedis had to do a semester on the dark side of the force exactly this is so similar to um them teaching defense against the dark arts at hogwarts gotcha

and i'm pretty sure that course is just teaching the children the dark arts so they know how to defend against them yeah which is a bad idea i think they i think it was like first year of hogwarts they teach them how to kill someone right yeah like kids but don't ever use this shit all right yeah i know it's like the dopest spells you're gonna learn all semester this one turns blood to gatorade your enemies will drop in a second but never use this anyway here's your wand and yes here's a dictionary list of if you just say the word while holding the wand it's over for everyone be very just saying any of these words aloud will turn this whole room into dust that one just commits a war crime just in an unspecified part of the world you won't find out

until it hits the news yeah this is i guess a similar thing where it's like maybe these these uh medicine men were like i want to like dip into it a little bit so i just so i know what to avoid in the future turns out the dark arts are pretty sexy they're pretty sexy and they're pretty powerful and you just get sucked into it yeah because you know shaman that end up studying the dark arts for a while before they're fully fledged skinwalkers they're wearing leather jackets driving harley davidson's and listen to acdc they were on the edge for a while yeah i like to think of the dark arts as a sleeve of double stuffed oreos sometimes you want to just have a little sugar kick and be like hey let me see what i'm missing here let me see what all the

fuss is about i'll have one of these get it out of my system so i don't even think about the oreos anymore you have one and you're like damn this is good it's actually pretty delicious and no one's gonna no one's gonna hate me for having a second before you know it you got a wolf pelt on frog skin belt six sleeves deep all you can think about are oreos you're running on all fours in the big tesco you murdered your family apparently don't know when that happened it's a day it's dangerous it's dangerous messing with dark arts and oreos other tribes believe that skinwalkers were once helpers of the divine beings that they trained humans to work on the earth and were expected to abandon the mortal realm once their work was done however some stayed behind and the power that they had

been bestowed by the divine beings was corrupted and they became these malicious demi-divine beings wow lots of cool theories being thrown around this is all pretty amazing stuff yeah and these aren't even all of the theories either there are hundreds of conflicting stories and accounts from First Americans all over the continent of North America. Not only do the origin stories vary, but also the creatures' abilities. Some say it has the ability to memorize and read minds. It can paralyze you with fear. We know they're fast and strong and incredibly agile but some say they can even also mimic human speech sometimes using the voice of a child to lure in concerned adults that's no good that's really that's about as dark as the arts get yeah

using a child's voice to lure someone into the shadows. You're not using that for good. No, you're not stealing a child's voice. Unless you're doing some sort of supernatural to catch a predator. There is no need to be using a child's voice to lure anyone into any situation. I mean, if you're using a child's voice to, say, get access to a kid's menu price at a restaurant. That's actually pretty good, yeah. I would give that a pass if you're swinging through the mcdonald's drive-thru ronald isn't gonna miss the extra dollars yeah that's

fair enough but it's a slippery slope have you tried to order a happy meal as a adult i have not you can do it really yeah they're fine there's no age limit i don't think so yeah well then maybe or there either is or they felt so bad for me that they were like just give them just give them the meal it's not worth our time why did you do it was there a dope toy i was craving a tiny burger sir so that's why i got it people don't know americans don't know that's the only way to get a slider in the uk pretty much happy meal i love i love the little buns that come with happy meals right uh because they're not you know you get the quarter pounder you get the big mac it's the big buns with the sesame seeds okay whereas

the happy meal burgers are like they don't have any sesame seeds and they're this weird like airbrushed beautiful little bun wow interesting because i haven't had because i've been veggie for a long time i never really get mcdonald's so i kind of remember all my burgers i kind of remember as oh the smooth bun smooth bun yeah no it's i mean the sesame seeds are is good but yeah sometimes you just want a little bite of nostalgia my friends uh disappointingly the toy i did receive was a tiny book yeah that's what the f***. I was hoping you were going to say like Beyblade. No, I wish.

Oh my God. 21 Happy Meals and a Duel Arena. We don't sell the arenas. Silence! I challenge you to a D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-Duel. It's a different franchise. I just have a stutter. I don't like Yu-Gi-Oh.

What the f*** is Yu-Gi-Oh? He's like dressed like Yu-Gi-Oh with a coat and hair. F***ing pyramid necklace. Oh man. They're also almost impossible to kill. Some say your only chance is to pierce its flesh with a blade or a bullet dipped in white ash. Others swear that a silver weapon is the only way to bring down the beast. Either way, your chances are pretty slim.

It also usually appears naked which makes sense because you know where's a skinwalker gonna find clothes uh but that aspect will definitely just make the encounter a little bit more disturbing yeah well can't miss it i mean it's probably a good thing honestly like if they wore sweats and nikes right they're gonna blend in a lot better even if they're being a little weird and contorted i've seen people maybe he's body popping i don't know exactly should i be doing that that seems pretty there's a tiktok dance maybe but if he's naked you almost never see naked people in the street so that's a red flag for sure now as i said we did do a whole investigation on skinwalker ranch and although we didn't focus specifically

on any skinwalkers, in the story, Terry Sherman and his wife Gwen were hounded by wolves that they claimed were three times bigger than any wolf they had seen before. I don't remember specifically, but I think they were also maybe bulletproof and had red eyes. There was a lot of creepy shit going on but could this possibly have been a skinwalker using its magic to take the form of a mighty wolf even though it's our only episode to receive a triple no that's a great point um yeah i mean this opens up a whole a whole series of questions i mean jesus of all the paranormal cases we've investigated we haven't

even thought about the cases that have transpired where people just don't know what they're looking at yeah um because they don't have the information the amount of times we've maybe investigated a cryptid and we're like no i don't think this was a cryptid it could have been an alien there could be another paranormal story inside of another paranormal story. Absolutely. Jesus. I mean, at night, simply living here in London, when you hear what I assume is foxes having sex, it could be a skinwalker. I don't know. Yeah. Well, the stories we've been able to share today are from the lucky few who have had the luxury of being in the safety of a vehicle. And we didn't even scratch the surface of witnessed reports. Some have claimed to see coyotes transform into humans right in front of them others say they've been driving at night and a man with an insane smile on his face has been running alongside

their car going 50 miles per hour clawing at the doors trying to get in oh that's bad it's scary shit isn't it now i'm starting to see where travis was coming from yeah put your foot on brother hit it ultimately it's a shame that the very people that know the most about skinwalkers won't talk about them but who knows maybe it is for our own good that we don't know more about these creatures ultimately we are missing a piece of the puzzle so it's hard to come down on a solid conclusion and yet we must kit or else we'd be listen even if it summons skinwalkers into existence that may kill people it's also the format of the podcast so i'm sorry but we have to do it yeah if anything we should say that we're more skinwalker skinwalker skinwalker it would really help us in the

conclusion aspect if one of them was here to guest on the final five minutes of the podcast i mean even we might die in that process but the podcast would probably chart pretty well oh yeah that'd be it would definitely be a front page news yeah we've gone through a lot of stories today we've heard a lot about the lore of these creatures i know this is a difficult one to talk about because as we said, the very people that know the most about this creature, for whatever personal reasons, don't want to talk about it much. But what are your thoughts today on the legend of these skinwalkers? This really feels like a story in two parts or encrypted in two parts. It seems like we almost have the physical skinwalker phenomenon which travis and

jj and neptune 420 encountered the thing that they see in the street the thing that the policeman was so scared of that they wanted to try and run down in their car and it leapt away into the distance the thing that was chased through the woods by the granddad with the rifle yeah and then on the other hand we almost have this mythical almost biblical level parable of a shaman someone who was respected in the community who had to fall from grace who flirted with the dark arts and was transformed into a kind of hungry ghost that's doomed to wander the world forever. And as you said, there's a huge disconnect, even in just time between these encounters in the modern day and the time period in which, you know, these shamans and these medicine men would have been operating. There's

a huge divide there that makes it quite hard to link together this creature with this origin story. So you're quite right, Roy. It does leave us in a pickle. If I had to come down on a conclusion today, I think I would have to say, I don't know if this thing can shapeshift. I don't know if it can jump over 20-foot barbed wire fences. And I don't know all the specifics because they're not writing books

about this stuff yeah but if the first nations people are saying that a shaman who's been corrupted by the dark arts and is excommunicated by his community is called a skinwalker i think that means they're a real thing that's the con this is the the dilemma we're going to have to hit is today are we trying to claim that the shape-shifting night beast is real or is the concept of a skinwalker these medicine men gone bad real which as a concept yeah it is real you know it's who walks on all fours is a real is a real idea is a real concept is based in reality i don't care i'm giving it a yes let's go for it let's go for it oh i did not see that one coming even when i was

that's it you f**k it that's a double yes folks and we've said it which means i don't have to think any more about it today's case investigating the skinwalkers is a double yes it is indeed paranormal skinwalkers have once or do now walk the earth if you see something on the road even trying to flag you down even if it looks like a member of your family keep driving pedal to the metal folks this could really go wrong couldn't it what have we done wow hey that's uh that's broken the the drought for the first time in a while because we were on a no streak you know and maybe we should have seen that coming it was a big case for a big reason this is this is one of the most ancient western myths of the paranormal and i think there's something to it well said well said well i'm

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