This Paranormal Life - #206 The Goatman Returns (with Rainn Wilson as Terry Carnation)

Episode Date: March 31, 2021

This week we return to the Legend of the Goatman... but this time we have a special guest investigator. Rainn Wilson joins us as Terry Carnation as we investigate a shapeshifting hitchhiker in New ZealandPatreonpatreon.com/ThisParanormalLifeYouTubeyoutube.com/thisparanormallifeTwittertwitter.com/ThisParaLifeInstagraminstagram.com/thisparanormallifeSecret Society Facebook Pagewww.facebook.com/groups/thisparanormallife/Intro music: www.purple-planet.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome, everyone, to This Paranormal Life, the comedy paranormal podcast where every week we investigate a brand new paranormal tale, case, or claim, and come to a conclusion at the end as to whether or not it is truly paranormal. As always, my name is Rory Powers. Across from me sits Kit Greer. Howdy. But today, we have a very special guest, Mr. Terry Carnation. Terry, welcome to the show. Rory, Kit, thank you for having me on your show. Some of our listeners might not be familiar with the incredible work you've done over the last couple years. How would you best describe Terry Carnation? Wait, are you serious?

Are you shitting me, Rory? Some of your listeners would not know who Terry Carnation is? Wait, where do you get these listeners, my good man? It is tragic, Terry. We should have been straight with you off the bat. Our listenership is mostly sort of tweens to tweenagers. They don't know shit about the paranormal, and that's why we're here to educate them.

Well, don't badmouth them. You don't want to shine them in a bad light. They're obviously... They're not good people. Listen, I love what you're doing. I love it. This paranormal life, you're doing. I love it. This paranormal life, you're creating a new legion of fans of the paranormal. You're creating a new crowd base, people interested in the mysterious, the unexplained, the unexplored.

And I thank you. You're doing God's work. Thank you very much. Thank you, Terry. You yourself, how long have you been investigating the paranormal? Ever since I was in diapers, frankly, and my mother caught me levitating above my crib.

Oh, wow. There's that. Yes. It wasn't so much of a life choice. You were born into this life, literally. Some very strange things have happened to me. I have some stories. Now, my mother was a notorious martini totaler, not a teetotaler.

And so who knows? Who knows? No one believed her, of course. But she swears it was true. She swears I was levitating. but she swears it was true. She swears I was levitating. And ever since then, I've caught the bug.

What is real? What is not? What is behind the veil? Not to backtrack us too much, but I'm a little bit worried that you mentioned getting into the paranormal since the age of being in diapers, but we didn't quite catch a specific age. Did anyone else pick up on that? No.

I didn't get an actual age. Because diapers could be, I mean, some people wear diapers. 17. Of course, yeah. That's a real problem. Same as us, yeah. I'm actually packing right now. We've cut the cameras at a certain level,

but I don't know how long this is going to go on for, so it's just preparation. You never know when you're at the microphone. She's a cruel mistress and sometimes she demands that you sit in front of her for hours at a time i i have no qualms with you wearing some depends and these things are really directional as well it's fantastic you know you can make any noise you want from the waist on and they won't pick up oh it's fantastic we fabulous. We've tried. That's good to know. Good to know. Directional mic. Depends.

Urination. Excellent. It's all coming together. Now, Terry, obviously the world of the paranormal is a huge place. Would you consider yourself an expert in any particular area? Well, Rory, Kit, I don't consider myself an expert per se. I am a philosopher. I'm an explorer. I'm a conversationalist.

I draw people out. I draw out stories. You know, do I have a certain measure of knowledge about cryptids, about UFOs, extraterrestrials, Bigfoot, a little bit that has, you know, percolated through the conversations over the years, but I'm more of a, think of me as a lubricant. Okay, so what you're saying is that hopefully having you assisting us in today's investigation, it'll just be an effortless, lubed up sort of... Pleasurable kind of... Yes, exactly.

Lubed up, pleasurable, just smear me across the entirety of this conversation. Right. I feel like we're maybe getting a little bit sexual. What? You know, just to... Get your mind out of the gutter. Thank you, Kit.

He's talking about his profession for sorry sorry i'm so sorry he's he gets you know sometimes he gets a little excited and starts talking about sex you can't start talking about lube and adult diapers and all and the paranormal without things getting he did mention bigfoot you did mention bigfoot as well and that's kind of exciting but we won't get into that. You know, I will say we are paranormal investigators, Kit and myself. But we're podcasters. It's almost a different type of paranormal investigator.

We live sheltered little cushy city boy lives. Do you have much experience out in the field, in the real world of the paranormal? Occasionally, I have been known to go visit some of my guests, usually young ladies that call in that seem to be in a bit of trouble and could use some rescuing. That's something I'm still in therapy about. But I'm not, no, I'm not in the field, again. I am merely a lubricator of people's throats.

I mean, come on. You can't. Really? Are we not going to talk about how sexy this is? Is it just me? I feel like I'm going crazy. He's letting people speak. I am a radio host and a podcaster myself having conversations about the paranormal.

What are you doing? This is crazy. He's lubricating the throat so they can speak about their own experiences and talk to him on the air. What don't you get about that? Thank you, kids. Apparently, it's just me. So, all right, it's fine. We can move past it.

Geez. One of the great things we like to do on this show, because we don't go out in the field and investigate, we like to live the experience. We like to bring it to life with incredible storytelling and, frankly, perfect voice acting. That's what we like to do. Excellent.

Famous for it. So we're very happy for you to join us this week and to go on an audio journey with us as we investigate a cryptid out in the field. Our story today comes from New Zealand. It's the early hours of the morning, and a local resident in New Zealand is driving home in his truck after a late night of work.

As he makes his way down the dark, winding road, A local resident in New Zealand is driving home in his truck after a late night of work. As he makes his way down the dark winding road, he spots a figure ahead by the edge of the forest. It looks like a man in a trench coat, hitchhiking. Now as I said, it's pitch dark outside, a very strange time for anyone to be out walking. But the driver decides to pull over anyway and offer him a lift. Terry, right off the bat, what are your thoughts so far? Is this something you would do if you saw a hitchhiker on the side of the road? Absolutely. I'd welcome him in.

Did it say it was raining? I forget. It was just late at night. Late at night, but we can say. I'm assuming it's a very... It's probably cold, damp, wintry, misty. Misty, cold, exactly. By all means, if I'm driving down the road late at night, I'll pick up just about anyone. Right, yes. It's a sort of glistening machete in the darkness,

splashing off the headlights. It doesn't bother you at all. Not in the slightest. No, I mean, this is where stories come from. This is adventure. This is two people alone in a car late at night it's it's fantastic stuff what could possibly go wrong a stranger is just a friend you haven't met right and you should take that attitude into all areas of your life even 3 a.m hitchhikers in trench

coats in the middle of the new new zealand wilderness i mean you said it looks like what did you say a hitchhiker in the dark it looks like it and that's fine said it looks like, what did you say, a hitchhiker in the dark? It looks like it, and that's fine. Yeah, it looks like, I believe I said it looks like a man in a trench coat hitchhiking. Nothing weird, a little spooky, sure, but nothing paranormal so far. Okay. You might prefer that he wear a t-shirt and shorts so you can at least see what's going on. But a trench coat is fine

a trench coat is practical you know trench coats get a bad rap but they they cover your the entirety of your torso they keep you dry they keep you warm uh you can wear layers of clothing underneath if you choose um i i think it's entirely unfair to the entire trench coat industry. And you too, as Londoners, should know this more than anyone. Listen, you're preaching to the choir here, you know. The amount of bad looks I've got because I've been walking down the street in a leather duster. Yeah. Everyone thinks that you're, oh, this guy loves the Matrix. This guy doesn't have any friends.

I can see from here he doesn't have anything on underneath the leather duster. I can see from here the bulge of where on underneath the leather duster. I can see from here the bulge of where his adult diaper is poking out of the trench coat. I've heard it all before. So I'm glad. Exactly. And Rory,

all those things might be true. You do love the Matrix. You don't have friends. You wear adult diapers. Well, I have online friends. And I think that's an important distinction. In the Matrix. Cipher.

Subreddit. Yeah. Some of them are in the Matrix. Some of them have been unplugged. So I'm just saying, you know, be careful because some of my friends are actually, they can control the world with numbers. I don't remember.

It's been a while since I've seen the movie. Wasn't that the idea? They were sent like a screensaver. I wasn't so crazy about The Matrix, but the sequels two and three were fantastic. The first one, too high concept. Two and three stellar action films truly once they get all the computer once you get all out of the way and it's just a robot

fighting another robot in uh inside of the earth that's the stuff you want to see the incestant uh robot fighting keanu reeve i could i could watch that for hours. Whereas the first movie, oh, to bend the spoon, you have to realize there is no spoon. Shut up. When are they going to fight? Too much metaphysical nonsense. Too much garbage.

When is there going to be incessantly long, long chase scenes and fight scenes that continue over and over again? Enough with this metaphysical claptrap and all this emotion and character development. That's the energy we like to have on our show. So I'm glad that we're all on the same tempo. We're all on the same page. Although this hitchhiker story is about to get pretty metaphysical.

Yes, it was actually a wizard that he picked up and there's a lot of spoon bending coming up. So he pulls the truck over and the strange hitchhiker shuffles into the back in the dark of the night it's hard to make out any facial features but immediately the driver picks up on an awful smell as they travel together down the road he tries to make some small talk i'm going to attempt my best uh Zealand accent here, so be gentle on me. So where you headed?

I thought it was all right. I think it's better if we just keep going. That's not bad. No, I like it. The figure doesn't respond. That's a nice jacket you've got. It's like I'm in the room with Flight of the Conch Horse. It's Taika Waititi.

The driver is starting to feel a little uneasy, but they continue to ride together in silence until thump! The passenger bangs the side of the door, indicating he wanted out. So the truck pulls over, and before the driver could even say a word, the door opened and the hitchhiker

began to leave. What a bizarre man, the driver thought. Why would he want dropped off here in the middle of nowhere? He'd only been in the car for a few minutes. That's when he noticed a strange sound. The sound of hooves clopping on the road. He quickly glanced out of his car window and just before the hitchhiker disappeared into the darkness, he could see the figure had the

legs of a goat pretty crazy story which corroborates the sound of the hooves it's all starting to add up now oh i see okay that makes sense then that makes sense that makes total sense is this something that you've come across in in your investigation some sort of figure, mysterious figure, with the bottom half seemingly of a goat. This is a creature, this is a character from mythology. Mythology is not a myth. Mythology is history seen through a different lens. This creature is called a satyr, and satyrs are very real, and satyrs are among us. I'm not exactly sure how they disguise their legs.

Centaurs, now, that's another discussion. We can get into that. But satyrs, goat people, pan, these are the ancient ones. And I had no idea they were as southerly as New Zealand. But they have completely and totally merged into human society. And they are very real, like lizard people, like duck men. They are among us. That is an interesting point. We have on the podcast before, That is an interesting point. We have on the podcast before come across a number of cryptids of creatures who are seemingly a bit of a hybrid. We've investigated the lizard man. Although, to be fair, he wasn't a 50-50 split. He was pretty much all lizard.

Just the size of a man. He was the size of a man. A lizard the size of a man. Okay, yes. The lizard people. Yes, right. Yes, yes. Godzilla-esque in stature. I think that correlates with Mickey Mouse, who was really more of a man than a mouse, walking on hind legs, tiny tail, using its hands, speaking, using speech. And Mickey was not some fabrication from some Walt Disney's imagination, no.

It's based on all of the characters. All of the Disney characters were based on real creatures. I think if you were to grow a mouse from that size into a man, it would take on that voice that haunts our dreams to this day, that really guttural kind of mouse hybrid voice. Now, Kit, Rory, who would win in a fight, a lizard man or Mickey Mouse? Both human size, both six feet tall. Ready?

Go. What would that sound like? Why don't we do a little countdown and we can announce our winners at the same time? Okay? Yeah. Three, two... We'll do it as a three. Oh, we'll do it as a three.

It could be a little delayed. Yeah, we'll all make our decision and we'll announce it on the three. Okay. Three, two, one. Lizard Man. All right, that's a two against one. Are you shitting me with this? In our investigations into the Lizard Man, there were instances not only of him uh fighting people in

the car park of churches but i think in one story he was also caught cutting the brake fluid underneath someone's truck wow yes despicable not paranormal but but very very suspicious i'm just thinking you know if mickey mickey mouse would never. No. It's a boundary I don't know if he would cross. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mickey Mouse has never been caught cutting brake cables. No.

I seem to remember Mickey Mouse started off life driving a steamboat as well. So that's, you know, the lizard man could poke some holes in that boat and kill him that way. Come up from below. Yeah. But does a lizard, do the lizard men swim? Do they swim like an amphibian? That's my question. That is a good point. He, uh, in the story, he did live near the swamp, but, um, I don't know how much time he spent around the swamp in our, in our studies. He was more of just a nuisance around the town. Oh, so this was not someone

who was in international banking? No, it was not. Now, I will say, if Mickey did get the gang together, he does have his numbers. If Minnie gets involved, if Goofy gets involved, Donald probably has a baseball bat. He is an aggressive little duck. I think if they were to team up and pool their resources...

And I tell you what, to get Scrooge McDuck involved, he's got unlimited financial resources. He's the Elon Musk of animated ducks. Oh, very true. But he just, you can bankroll all of it. You want to nuke the lizard man out of the swamp, he's done. Whatever you need.

It would be a formidable, a formidable team, bigger than the Justice League or the Super Friends. Combined. It's hockey season, and you can get anything you need delivered with Uber Eats. Or the Super Friends. Combined! So we have seen creatures like this, as we said, in our stories so far. But there are a a couple different characteristics with this creature that I think it's worth bringing up because the goat man who resides in New Zealand is very different from the goat men and women that reside around the world. The creature is a famous New Zealand cryptid, often referred to as the goat man or the hoof man. who is the Goatman or the Hoofman. It's described as a mysterious entity, half man, half goat, that's encountered in small isolated roads late at night. But there's more to the legend than just the strange appearances. In fact, his appearance isn't even the strangest part. Some people think of him less of a physical monster and more of a spirit a specter a ghost

and in many versions of the story his goat legs aren't even distinguishable until he's in the car with you so he he resembles a human when you pick him up and then once he's in the car he's like hey i need to let these puppies breathe and you know i guess he opens in the car, he's like, hey, I need to let these puppies breathe. And I guess he opens up the... Well, the trench coat helps up to this point. Of course, masking the legs. And I wonder what the car mats are like, you know, at the bottom of the car. You know, if there's little hoof prints, I imagine it's pretty muddy. They track mud.

There have been stories of people saying that they gave this figure a lift and discovering muddy hoof prints in the back of their seat after the incident takes place. I think personally for me, it does make sense that he is hitchhiking. Because, correct me if I'm wrong, don't goats' legs go backwards like a horse's legs? Is that right? They bend the other way i believe the knees that could be like a like a praying mantis or like satan if he were to try and attempt to work the pedals in a car himself how would it doesn't physically make sense what you're saying he

would have to sit on the dashboard and work his legs backwards to work the pedals it's in practice it's much easier to hitchhike or call an uber yeah or call an uber yeah he does have human hands to be fair perhaps one of these goat men satyr spirits spectral spirits of new zealand are uber drivers they could get some kind of custom setup for the backward for the backward feet that is very true that's a really good point there should be there should be an app which is uber but for the backward feet that is very true that's a really good point there should be there should be an app which is uber but for the supernatural so the ghosts the cryptids the vampires the demons of the world if they need to get from a to b you know a carriage will come through the clouds pick them up and it's an xl so there's plenty of room in the back maybe your your chauffeur is the devil

something a lot i'm just spitballing of Of course, yeah, I think it could work. There's something there for sure. Or an SUV. Yeah, I like this. How much can I invest? Can I wire you some money right now? Can I Venmo you something? I insist.

We didn't. Can we start with like $20,000, $27,000? Yeah, sidebar. Just one second. One second, Mr. Terry. Just a moment. I thought that was going to take way longer. We could probably just wrap up the show,000? Yes. Sidebar. Just one second. One second, Mr. Terry. Bear with us just a moment. I thought that was going to take way longer. We could probably just wrap up the show.

Yeah. Because I've just been, I ran out of story like 40 minutes ago. I'm literally making this up as we go. So if he's ready to give the money now, that's totally fine. We reluctantly accept. Hey, let's make it. Why don't we make it around 30? Around $30,000. Is that him? Oh, that's pushing it. That's make it, why don't we make it around 30, around $30,000.

Is that something? Oh, that's pushing it. That's pushing it. Okay, I'll go to 29. 29. You drive a hard bargain, sir, but I think that's the deal. I think there's a lot of possibilities here, Terry. I think we're talking you could Uber in any kind of cryptid for children's birthday parties, for

big family occasions. It could be a real hit. Sure. I think so. As long as we're all on board, we can sort out the financial details after the podcast. But it's great to just have that locked in. That is a verbal contract. We have that on cameras and everything. So we're all, we're all, yep, we all understand. Perfect. I'm in. One thing I did do while researching this story was We all understand. Perfect. I'm in. One thing I did do while researching this story was trying to figure out why someone with a goat leg would want to hitchhike. And I figured, you know, maybe if you have the legs of a goat, you can't travel that fast.

But I did look this up. Apparently goats can run as fast as 50 miles per hour. That's incredible. I didn't know that either. They're like fierce little grass guguzzling cheetahs. My sister was actually attacked by a goat growing up in Northern Ireland. I'm so sorry to hear that. She was head-butted by the goat and I believe fell into a moat of a castle.

This sounds like a dream, but I'm saying this wasn't a dream. We were in Northern Ireland. Are we deciding whether this is a true story or not kit yeah it sounds unbelievable and then you hear that the castle was the imperial palace in uh in the forbidden city in china so it was a pretty big fall into the moat obama was there president a lot of past presidents were there as well now that i think about it and then the goat rose up on its little hind legs. Its eyes became flaming spirals of fire and it said, worship me.

They're terrifying creatures, let alone when they are spliced with half of a human. Now, believe it or not, we've actually covered a creature like this on the podcast before. In fact, our first ever episode of the podcast, we covered a creature called the Goatman. However, that cryptid had a very different vibe. He was from America. He was very real, too real, not a ghost. And he also carried an axe with him wherever he went. A little more malicious.

Not quite the welcoming. He would have beaten Mickey Mouse, yeah. Yes. Mickey Mouse would not have stood much of a chance, I don't think, in that encounter. A goat man with an axe? No. No way, no how. I would not pick that person up on the side of the road. Yeah, well, so there. That's interesting. Do you think a weapon plays a part in whether or not you pick up a hitchhiker?

A weapon is a big no-no. Right. It's a big danger sign. I wouldn't say never. It depends on the weapon. A rolling pin? Is that a big no-no. Right. It's a big danger sign. I wouldn't say never. It depends on the weapon. A rolling pin, is that a weapon? Kind of. Would I pick up a hitchhiker with a rolling pin?

Perhaps. Perhaps I would. It could be a chef. It could be a chef. Non chacos. It could just be a martial arts enthusiast. Is that the right pronunciation? Have I been saying it wrong?

Non chocs. Non chacos. Non chacos. Is that the right pronunciation? Have I been saying it wrong? Nunchucks, nunchuckles, nunchuckles. Is it something that you think about that if you are kind of out driving late at night, thinking about the paranormal, would you ever travel with any kind of protection, whether it be rolling pin or nunchuckles? That's an excellent question. I'm not much of a hitchhiker myself, but I think it would be a wise idea. excellent question. I'm not much of a hitchhiker myself, but I think it would be a wise

idea. But then you lower the possibility that you'll be picked up by the car on the road. So whatever weapon you have would be good to have in disguise. An umbrella, a rolling pin, like I said. Perhaps a tripod.

A decorative bullfighting spear. They think you're simply a bullfighting afeccionado but it can also be used as a deadly weapon it's very i mean this is why i've spent a large part of my life obviously investigating the paranormal but also um training to transform my hands into weapons themselves and i've gone to the courthouse and I've tried to have them registered as lethal weapons, you know, as more of like a metaphor of how dangerous they are.

They have laughed me out time and time again. But once you start slapping people, you really show how dangerous these things are. Would you please demonstrate on kit right now? Absolutely. I'm just going to take off my rings really fast here because I don't want to leave an impression. I mean, I don't really need,

I guess I don't really need my left arm if you wanted to snap it, kind of like the karate master would snap a concrete brick. I don't think we'll do arms, right? We want an accurate representation of the power, of the power's slap. So I think its face or testicles, I think is the best representation of...

Either or. You can really get the full force of... I tend to disagree. I think maybe even... I think that's... Well, we have a guest. I think it's rude to not show the guest the type of antics we have on the podcast.

Let her rip, Rory. I feel like you're going to do it whether I let her... Okay. All right, here we go. Let go, Rory. All right, here we go. Let go, Rory. All right, here we go. Just laid down the law

a little bit there. And that's just an example. That's me at half power. Half power, I would say. That was impressive. You took off a layer of skin. I really did. Call an ambulance.

The key is to flick it like a bullwhip and you can create sort of an explosive impact on the tip of the finger there there's some blood loss is that a bone protruding from his cheek oh is is that what that is yeah we'll deal with that later oh my god that actually looks pretty bad oh we'll fix that right up i could slap that back into place if you want no please anything but anything okay we'll we'll put the

weapons away i'll holster the guns for for now. We can finish off the story. We're getting a little sidetracked here. Now, one of the most interesting parts of the legend of this goat man is that unlike a lot of cryptids we've investigated so far, in a lot of the stories, this weird goat hitchhiker shows up not just to haunt or mess with people, but to warn travelers that something bad is about to happen. One story from a user on the site Haunted Auckland This is typically where we see our hitchhiker on the side of the road. But as we said, this story is different.

The driver glanced backwards in her rearview mirror and saw the hitchhiker in her backseat already. Impressive. Oh, wow. Teleportation. In pure shock, she swerved the car to the side, narrowly avoiding a cow that had wandered into the road. When she glanced again at the back seat, he was gone. If it wasn't for the strange goat hitchhiker, she would have hit the cow at top speed. So here we have him appearing in the car instantaneously,

teleporting as you said, Terry, but not to instill any sort of fear or be malicious but to instead warn someone of the dangers of plowing into a cow on the road at 60 miles per hour that would have been a devastating loss for the country of new zealand because they have so few cows there they could honestly lose a couple people even um oh it's chock-a-block with people god forbid they would lose a cock yeah the hitchhiker was kind of in the he should have gracefully lifted the cow yes with his squatting uh goat legs and just let the driver crash slightly down the road yes there was a lot of energy expelled to warn that driver i mean you could have just simply said hey look out

yeah that's a really good point actually or thrown rocks at the cow and driven it from the road. Yeah. Which wouldn't involve teleportation. Yeah, yes. Very true. Yes, but maybe for one who is so gifted with the paranormal abilities, that's just like sending a text message.

Just a quick teleport here, teleport there. You make a good point. You make a good point. These powers, we don't know if they're taxing or not upon the user. I do think at least maybe it was quite a dramatic way to deliver that message. As you said, there was probably a way to warn them without popping into existence behind them, goat legs spread, kicking and buying. You're almost more likely to cause an accident.

Man, look out. Man, look out. Man, look out for the cow, mate. She immediately drives into a tree. Pulls out a gun. Yeah, I don't know if this cryptid spoke, would it be more goat or would it be more human? Because obviously if the divide is at the waist, I believe most of the parts of the body

that are involved in producing sound are pretty much waist up. Maybe it would sound more like Mickey Mouse. Very true. Hey, driver, look out for the cow. At that point, I think you'd rather wish you just hit the cow because there's too many things going on.

You think you're having a stroke at that point, yeah. I'd rather hit the cow than have to go to the police station and tell them that Mickey Mouse appeared in my backseat and warned me about an impending accident. I'm ready to just, I'm ready to just go to bed. I think if it's getting to that point. I'm sure they've heard stranger. Well, Terry, it was an absolute pleasure to have you on this week's episode. Our story is finished. No pressure. But would you, as our guest paranormal investigator, like to come down on a conclusion as to whether or not you believe from the stories we've read today that there is some truth to the New Zealand Goatman?

This is a lot to swallow, gentlemen. A satyr, a goatman, goat legs, trench coat, late night, driving down the road. A hundred percent, that absolutely happened. Wow. There we have it. There we have it. That is what our listeners love to hear, is a yes on this podcast. We don't get it often, so when we do, it's worth its weight in gold. Terry, thank you so much for joining us. If any of our listeners have enjoyed today's episode and they want to hear more, they want to hear the raw energy of Terry Carnation, how will they find you? Well, my new podcast drops April 1st, where all fine podcasts can be found. drops April 1st, where all fine podcasts can be found.

It follows the journey of my life, of my return to radio after a three-year absence. It's called Dark Air with Terry Carnation. There are many calls and stories of the paranormal woven into the episodes, 15 episodes coming your way, and I encourage you and all your listeners to tune in. It's a rollicking boatload of fun. Absolutely. We were listening to the trailer,

which is already on everywhere you can get good podcasts. And it sounded fantastic already. We can't wait to listen. Terry, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you all for listening. And as always, we will be back next Tuesday with a brand new paranormal tale. Outro Music