This Paranormal Life - #213 Mysterious National Park Disappearances: Missing 411

Episode Date: May 18, 2021

Every year a disturbing amount of people go missing in US national parks. One paranormal investigator looked into the data and found strange patterns that could point to a paranormal explanation. Are these simply tragic accidents or is there something else hiding UNDER the surface?BUY OFFICIAL TPL MERCHwww.thisparanormallife.com/storePatreonpatreon.com/ThisParanormalLifeYouTubeyoutube.com/thisparanormallifeTwittertwitter.com/ThisParaLifeInstagraminstagram.com/thisparanormallifeSecret Society Facebook Pagewww.facebook.com/groups/thisparanormallife/Edited by Kami Tomanwww.tomanedits.comResearch by Amy GrisdaleIntro music: www.purple-planet.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

How can I tell if I live in a simulation? If I stick my hand in a plug socket, will I get powers like Pikachu? Answers to these questions and more on this episode of This Paranormal Life! Hello and welcome back to This Paranormal Life. This is the weekly comedy podcast where every Tuesday we investigate a different paranormal tail case or claim and get to the bottom of whether it's truly paranormal or not. As always, you're joined by myself, Mr. Kit Greer-Molvena, this guy across from me, Rory Pars. How are you doing today, Rory? I'm doing fantastic. It's a beautiful day outside. The sun is shining and I'm ready to run away from all of that. Oh yeah. Close the curtains. Close the curtains. Shades on. N doors and uh and just get get stuck into the

paranormal so we're just gonna dive right into today's investigation gotta thank those who have requested this one uh through our email this paranormal life podcast at gmail.com so thank you right off the bat to trevor schwartzlander luke hauser ryan pole imogen redwood travis spicer and eden roclair. There's probably more. This is a heavily requested case. And we are going to dive right in. Don't want to dilly-dally too much, but I'm just excited because I bought a ton of cryptocurrency right before we did the podcast.

Interesting. Big crypto guy. Life savings really pumped into it. So I'm excited. I'll keep updating you guys on how things are going. Yeah, that is really exciting. I mean, I guess just as a primer, any coin in particular

in the crypto world? Well, I mean, Bitcoin's done. It's over. You sure? It seems like it's by far the most popular and stable, longest running. Chainlink, very successful coin.

Not interested. Doge, no thank you. Sure, bit of a joke. So I'm going for the hottest, popular and stable is the longest running chain link very successful coin not interested doge no thank you uh sure bit of a joke so i'm going for the hottest crypto coin right now straight from the philippines beautiful coin it's called uh the abbreviation is did you invent it is this written by the coin beautiful coin out of the philippines it's the scam coin so we'll keep an eye on the market as the scamAM, right. Do you know what that stands for at all? Well, every coin has an abbreviation. So Bitcoin is like BTC.

And Scamcoin's abbreviation is SCAM. Okay, so it is Scamcoin. Yeah, but that's like it's to ward off people. Yeah, probably. So that, you know how like a lizard, so it doesn't get eaten by a

bird will have like red ears or some shit like that scam coin to to ward off the hawks you know is it's that's that's why it has that name okay but it's only the true investors the real ones who see its potential to go to the moon the problem is poisonous spiders have stripes because they are poisonous is that right huh so sometimes the the warning is a real warning is it's not a it's not it's not just to keep off the hawks okay not always because because i only had that one metaphor and if you turn that on its head then i really don't know what i have left except for 15 000 pounds worth of scam yeah i was gonna say slightly galling that you have invested in scam coin did you at least invest in spread out the spread out the risk hedge your bets and any others all in in it to win it it is down just as of this minute but uh it's a volatile

market right so so we'll just uh i'll just keep you guys all crypto is a is is a volatile market. Right. So we'll just, I'll just keep you guys posted. All crypto is a volatile market. But I am seeing in the news here that Elon Musk has gone on Twitter and said that this is a scam. Avoid at all costs. That would affect the price. He sounds just like the FDA. They're all the same. All right.

Don't buy scam coins. The Food and Drug Administration. That's bad if they think this is. They're getting involved. They're giving the same, all right? Don't buy scam coins. The Food and Drug Administration. That's bad if they think this is... They're getting involved. They're giving financial advice. This crypto coin is inedible. Don't try and eat the coin. We got reports that at Rory Has Powers posted a video trying to eat a coin

to prove that it was worth a damn for something. To prove it wasn't quote unquote a poisonous spider we don't think he knows what crypto is okay i don't think we can still claim to be diving right into today's investigation but let's just go for it let's go back to second july 1938 the bile hearts family were on vacation at rocky mountain national park in colorado nice ever been to colorado bud i've always wanted to go because i love cores and weed is legal there i think so uh it seems like a like a party party shallow reason especially because weed isn't even legal there for like a year

so before that you wanted to go that purely for the Coors the blue mountain water but nowhere state no but once they legalized the hash and had the beers as cold as the Rocky Mountains yeah then I wanted to go uh I joke I I've actually always wanted to go to Colorado it just seems like one of those awesome states I feel like I know some people that live there um and always looks like they're having a blast you get off the plane at Denver you like, the f***ing mountains aren't even blue. Yeah, I've always wanted to go. Absolutely. Seems like there's a ton of interesting places and people.

Stick it on to this Paranormal Life Tour list location. Let's go. Father, William, and Anonymous Mother, because women didn't get name privileges back in the 30s, apparently, on the record. But Father William and Anonymous Mother were hiking women didn't get name privileges back in the 30s, apparently, on the record. But Father William and anonymous mother were hiking with their 11 children. 11 children, by the way. What year is this?

1938. Okay, that's, I guess that's normal. I mean, can you imagine trying to hike with a troop like that? All right, try and keep up. Ken, Kelly, Kriley, Connie, Kaylee, Kylie, Kenny, Kyle, Killian, Kaden. Wait, we're missing one. Where the f*** is Bob? No, the youngest was Albert at only four years old, which is very young to be hiking. They had reached a beautiful

creek, but he was still too little to swim, so he stayed safely on the riverbank while some of the others splashed around. As the last few kids clambered back onto dry land, Mrs. Beilhart's heart sank when she suddenly realized that Albert wasn't there. She'd only looked away for a few moments. The whole family started shouting at the top of their lungs. Nobody had seen him in the river or heard a splash. Surely he couldn't be far away. But he was nowhere to be found. This is when panic really started to set in.

William Beilhart called the ranger station, who sent out a team as quickly as they could. Oh, yeah, here we go. Your boy's missing? Yes, we were down by the river when- The river? Sounds like he's in the water. All right, let's get to it, men. William was taken aback by how quickly the ranger came to a conclusion. I think if he'd fallen in, we'd have heard it. What if he's up in the woods? I appreciate you're in a very difficult situation, sir. We're going to check the river first. Damn the whole thing. Stop it flowing. If he's been washed downstream, this is how we'll find him. Meanwhile, we'll call in some bloodhounds to search the wider area. The park

staff got to work blocking off the river with rocks, logs, and sandbags, but thankfully beavers had already done most of the hard work for them. Nice. Five beaver dams spread the width of the stream the family had been swimming in. The rangers focused their energy at the farthest point where the tributary met the larger and faster flowing Fall River. Just to be sure, they put wire mesh across every connection to the strong current. They had every confidence that Alfred would be saved by building on the hero beaver's dam system, but the team came up empty handed. hero beavers dam system, but the team came up empty-handed. The rangers were starting to fear the worst and decided dredging the riverbed might be a good course of action. Oh boy, that's not

good. Just as the men were losing hope, the message came in over the rangers' radio. The dogs have found something. Bloodhounds had been bussed in from Colorado State Prison and were on the mission. They were taken to the spot Albert was last seen and started pulling their handlers uphill into the forest. The hounds thundered up a narrow path through the trees. Within a few minutes, they reached a fork in the path where the chase came to a sudden stop. The dogs were sniffing in circles as if they'd lost the scent. The trail had gone cold. Even more strangely, they ended up way ahead of the family when Alfred was last seen slightly behind them. The rangers ordered more

dogs to be brought, but they too followed the exact same route. So this is very strange. The dogs got off to a flying start going deep into the forest and then just poof the trail evaporated wow that is strange isn't it especially ahead of the family as well that's really weird especially if they're going uphill because if the initial thought was that he went into the river everything leads downhill either he fell behind and he was lost or he fell into the river and presumably was washed downstream so for the dogs to go up to go north, that's really bizarre. Yes. Playing into what William had suspected at first that he might've noticed if William had fallen in the river. How much crack are these prison dogs smoking? Are they

clean? Are they reformed? We think the boy went up in the sky. All right. Put him back in prison. No, no. I've got better ideas. I've got different ideas. If you just take off, if you just, geez, this collar is really biting me. If you could just let me free for a second,

I really think I could get the scent of the kid. I can smell a little Alfred Nog. His name was Albert. Oh yeah, Albert, sure. Meanwhile, William Eales and his wife

were out on a romantic getaway in the very same national park. They'd had a lovely time hiking in the wilderness. But when they got back to their car, they'd heard the news about the missing child. They looked at each other and their blood ran cold. Cold because they'd witnessed something that afternoon that didn't seem significant until this very moment. They'd been nearing the top of the Old Fall River Trail and stopped for a break to take in the mountain scenery. Looking up at the majestic Mount Chapin,

they spotted a small boy perched on the rocks on a slope called the Devil's Nest. Uh-oh. As they watched, the boy was pulled backwards suddenly by an unseen entity. What the f***? I like the way... Only now was that a weird at the time

we saw a child snatched from the devil's dick i saw a demogorgon lurk out of a cave and snatch a boy that's all right he's a forest boy no one's worried about him that is bizarre i love this that only now when they found out they go to the ranger they're like you know what it's so odd because earlier we saw a boy grabbed into the shadow realm yeah now that you mention it they put cuffs on them that's fair that's fair we kept that to ourselves for quite a while holy shit when they got home they saw al Alfred's photo in the newspaper. They were certain the little boy they'd seen was the child in the picture.

They reported their sighting, but the park authorities weren't convinced by their story. The devil's nest, you say? Totally impossible. There's no way a four-year-old could climb up there. It would take us rangers two days alone to get up there with no kit. I'm telling you, we saw the boy and he wasn't alone.

Something yanked him out of sight. Please, you have to believe us. Seeing how serious the couple were, the rangers launched into action and sent a 150 man team to the Devil's Nest. Sadly, they didn't find a thing. Why is it all of these, like, cliffs and ledges are always called, like, the devil's nest, Satan's foreskin, the death maker.

Satan's f***ing toilet. There actually is, where we're from, in the north coast of Northern Ireland, in Port Rush, there's a little cave called, I think, the devil's bathtub or something, or devil's wash tub. Really? Yeah. It's just a stormy little bit of sea where the waves hit these caves and it looks pretty gnarly yeah it's very true what do we have in in port's shirt the blowhole that's pretty cool as well yeah down by the harbor gun rock gun yeah i don't know whoever's naming these things

is bad or badass why would there's a cliff called the gun rock why would it be called that it's not shaped like a gun and i don't even resemble a gun it's bizarre like i know it makes sense in like climbing as we were talking about in like or people who free solo it's like all right well 12 people have died there so that bit is called the widow maker sure but uh yeah i don't know why they're bringing the devil involved like i don't think he was involved in the formation of this mountain i mean yeah i do love that though like i think we before we've had episodes around like uh death valley and some of those places are fantastic you know yeah furnace creek dead man's valley

all that kind of stuff at a a certain point, you were warned. I'm very proud to be able to know when something is dangerous, as we learned earlier when I invested all my money into scam coin. I know a warning sign when I see one. And that's why I would never put a dime on Doge, which is up, by the way, but it's about to go down on account of being a scam. So you know what a scam is.

Just a little update. Scam coin is down. The portfolio has taken quite a hit in the last 10 to 15 minutes. I don't want to throw too many numbers at you because it's a bit confusing. Just a ballpark. 100% down in the last um 10 minutes 15 000 pounds in 15 minutes yeah that's got to be a record uh a personal record for sure yeah yeah yeah um not quite out of cash though because just while you were running through those numbers i pumped a

quick 15 back in there you know they say buy the dip so we'll see how that i don't know if it's a dip man it seems like it's failed altogether. It's still going. I'm just seeing, I'm just loading up my news up here. It looks like China, US, Saudi Arabia have all banned it, actually. Yeah, yeah. But here's a news report. The co-creator of the coin just flew to Cuba this afternoon.

He's doing pretty well for himself. Do you think he could afford that flight without scam coin about to hit the goddamn roof? He might've spent some of that 15 large that you just put into it on that flight. The story of Albert is a horrible story. One of those once in a generation type tragedies. The awful thing is though,

it's not a unique case. There's a scary number of mysterious disappearances in U.S. national parks that nobody can quite explain. Wow. At least 1,600 people have vanished without a trace from U.S. public lands. The number has got so high that people are starting to ask questions. Is there something odd, mysterious or paranormal going on here. You know, that's really interesting because that first family, you know, you could chalk up the disappearance to the fact that their family

is bigger than the fellowship of the f***ing ring. So if you take that many hikes with a four-year-old, one of them is probably bound to go missing. Yeah. But if we're talking about this many disappearances, or maybe it's just a little group of people, maybe a family of two or three, that starts to become a lot stranger. You're so right.

I mean, even the Fellowship of the Ring, I mean, even in this mythical universe, in a band of 11 ragtag rapscallions, you've got a merrier Pippin who's not really cut out for the quest to Mordor. Ah, yeah. The Hobbits go missing, by the way. I think it's the entirety of the second book. They're to eisengard there's a whole song about it so for you to draw on that as a comparison is dangerous to think that well the fellowship was pretty big and they were all right so yeah we'll be okay in the wilderness they weren't all right baromir didn't get out of the

forest he died in the forest also the hobbits are the size of children but they are men they are little men your four-year-old hobbit boy is not going to be able to survive in the wilderness he was four he wouldn't have made it out of the mines of moria okay no matter how much axe he could swing i wish lord of the rings was something that you could that a love for lord of the rings was something you could more easily incorporate in your everyday life you could that a love for lord of the rings was something you could more easily incorporate in your everyday life you could like by wearing like a linen cape yeah yeah like bring the style in or something leaf brooch smoke a big pipe brooch or something like that yeah it's all a bit lamba spread for lunch i mean there's probably people that do this i think i've seen

a lot of people in shortage that look like this who knows maybe I should get into it you know I've noticed a few people I don't know if this is a lockdown thing I live in East London here we both do and I've seen a few people recently dressed as like Victorian dandies what?

I'm talking like full gentleman outfits it must be a Peaky Blinders thing right? wearing like little the little top hats and suit canes, that kind of thing. It's got to be Peaky Blinders. Maybe. People thinking they're tough as Niles. I did wonder, is it part of the kind of, you know, that kind of Paris syndrome? You know, people from other countries move because obviously London is, you know, most of the people who live here aren't,

like us, aren't from London. So many people move here and have preconceptions. I was wondering, is that part of it? That people in the other side of the world think that we all dress like that? Right, or they come over and dress like it. With a pocket watch. They're shining their pocket watch on the plane over.

Hey, I love it. Wear what makes you happy. Go for it. I snapped his cane. I told him to grow up. You're out of time. You smashed his pocket watch on the pavement in front of a Nando's. Real London culture is riding a f***ing lime scooter to Nando's.

And getting mugged on the way home to your one bedroom apartment. And then mugging someone else to get your own back. And getting mugged on the way home by a f***ing Peaky Blinder. I like that. I'd be like, what is happening? So you might think we're jumping to conclusions here by extrapolating that some of these disappearances could be mysterious. But if you aren't convinced, then here's just a handful of disappearances

from this very same park in the Smoky Mountains. October 1976, 16-year-old Trenny Gibson was on a high school field trip with 40 other students when she was reported missing and was never found after a months-long search. 40? Yep. My God, I shouldn't have brought up the numbers thing so early on.

June 1969, 6-year-old Dennis Martin was hiding with his friends and brothers, ready to jump out at their parents coming up at the trail. But after the boys emerged, they realized Dennis wasn't there anymore and was never seen again. Wow, a lot of kids, a lot of children. That's really grim. That one's very bizarre because it's like three kids or whatever hiding behind a rock ready to jump out. How does one go missing that fast? Yeah, presumably you're all together. It's all part of the plan is that you need to be at the same point at the same time.

And one of you turn around, the dentist is gone. There's just a black void where it used to be. A smoke monster like in Lost. September 1981, experienced hiker, 58-year-old Thelma Pauline Melton was out with friends. 1981 experienced hiker 58 year old Thelma Pauline Melton was out with friends she was a little ahead of the group when they watched her disappear over the hill that they were halfway up when they reached the top of the hill she was gone that's what we want it's not what we want no that was poorly awarded but what we needed for the case which is more experienced an experienced 58 year old hiker disappearing not a child just getting lost getting lost. And on a trail, by the way.

Just reached the top of this hill. That's so scary. And it's never seen again. Oh my God. Could you imagine? What is happening here? So there's a guy called David Paulides, who's kind of responsible for bringing this matter to the public attention.

The rudest man of all time, David Paulides. Far from being the politest. He's the rudest. That's his from being the politest. He's Darudist. That's his brother, Darudist. David Politis and David Darudist. Mortal enemies. The Wario to his Mario. He's kind of responsible for bringing this matter to public attention.

So he's a former police officer turned paranormal investigator. A lot of his early work was about Bigfoot, but soon, and that's presumably around the time he got kicked out of the force, and that's when he started looking into cold cases in remote areas. He noticed alarming similarities in cases that, to his mind, appeared to defy logic. He started compiling data and making his own investigations. He phoned up the National Parks Office with Freedom of Information requests looking for comprehensive lists of people that have disappeared on public land. We can get you the list, no problem. We just need to know what you want it for.

Trying to sound casual, David replied, just for research. Right, well, I'm sorry to tell you that no such list exists. Goodbye now. Pretty weird. But David didn't give up so easily. He tried to use his status as a published author to get the information, but the National Park Service basically said he was kind of too small fry for them to disclose anything to. And he's just too goddamn polite

to demand it. Um, I was thinking, if it wasn't too much trouble, if you would consider... Gosh darn it. I freaking hate when they hang up on me like that. He also says that when he asked hypothetically, if he... Jesus, if he just had to pay them, what would the number be? How much do I have to pay you to cough up the full list of missing persons? He says they told him the number was 1.4 million

dollars so there is a list first there wasn't a list oh you got cash you should have said 1.4 million my friends i like the ballsiness of like imagine just calling up the the pentagon and being like how much it would have cost for all the alien shit yeah yeah yeah yeah like how much you got yeah are you gonna get a response it seems wild that he did get a number a figure back i mean is it such a is it such a crazy thing to do at the end of the day this is a little bit like asking the guy on the end of the mcdonald's drive-thru for 50 Szechuan sauces. The guy at the drive-thru doesn't care. If you ask him nicely, he's not invested in the company. He might give you what you want. And if you call out the Pentagon, some low-level employee has access to the files. And

now suddenly someone's offering them more money than they will ever make in a year for that file. And they might not even get caught. That could be pretty tempting. That's true. You just got to get the right person at the right time. I remember when I was a kid and I realized we're talking about bribery, which is illegal, but sorry. I remember when I was a kid and I had my mind blown when I believe it was Nintendo releasing a line of super Smash Bros themed toys in their Happy Meals over in America. That's nuts. And of course, you know, in their Happy Meals over in America. That's nuts. And of course, you know, you never get that over in the UK.

I wanted a Link more than anyone. And I got my Happy Meal and I got a Kirby. We all got Kirbys. Not what I wanted at all. And I just kind of sat there and thought, well, that was it. I've missed out. And then my dad was like, well, why don't you go ask the guy at the register if you can swap out the toy and i was like as a millennial you thought what am i gonna do just talk to someone it blew my mind i was like i can't it's mcdonald's they don't make they make the faceless corporation yeah i

can't just they can't just bend the rules and i went up and the guy was like yeah i can see if we have any uh links back there and we'll swap it out for you and that just changed my life granted he didn't have any links i was stuck with the kirby and i also learned another lesson that day that the world ain't gonna give you shit all right he's like yeah let me just uh see in the magic factory of smash bros characters he looks down he's got seas of links seas of limited edition ones you didn't even know existed there's a golden one in there sorry bud all kirby i f*** off let me just uh let me just call up uh ronald and ask real quick people pushing on his own hand uh hi mr mcdonald there's

a f***ing child here who's not happy with this little toy you know you're too old to be ordering the happy meal anyway you're lucky you to be ordering the Happy Meal anyway. You're lucky you got a Kirby. I'm just gonna leave. I'm gonna leave with a Kirby. He's wiping his crocodile tears with the link. I leave the next person comes up behind me and they're like, yeah, I need to complain. I found a rat tail in my Big Mac.

Oh, you found a widow rat tail in your Big Mac? Why don't I call f***ing Ronald right now and complain? Ronald walks in from the back of the restaurant. What did I hear out there? Oh, nothing. Oh my God, sir.

Salutes him. I had no idea you were coming today. I like think Ronald was like Darth Vader. Yeah. He can like force choke employees. He also sounds like Darth Vader. Yeah. What was that?

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then something sketchy is going on in the upper ranks of this system. So he kept working undeterred. He focused on the truly mysterious cases where there was zero evidence, zero indication of file play, or animal attacks. He found that there were some intriguing similarities between these vanishings. Such as, dogs will have difficulty picking up an initial scent, let alone following a track. Like in our first story, if any evidence is found of the vanished person, more often than not, it's far away from where they were last seen, even in places that were considered inaccessible before.

Cases where the official conclusion has been recorded as an animal attack routinely show no evidence of a predator at the scene. Incidents appear to happen in close clusters rather than randomly spread around. People most often vanish when they're close to a boulder or near granite. And physicists are at high risk of disappearing. Whoa. They open some kind of portal. So this guy seems... Four-year-old Albert was actually doing his PhD at the time.

Albert Einstein himself. I said this was in 1938, right? He glitched back a few years later, invented e equals mc squared and then glitched out of existence shortly after that's good that's good stuff um i mean this is the problem with disappearance in the wilderness there are a lot of explanations you know the wild is a dangerous place even national parks between wild animals dangerous cliff sides um people just getting lost in the middle of nowhere even if it is a paranormal reason behind their disappearances there's a lot of explanations to be thrown out there as to why these people disappeared sure a lot of plausible deniability

here um absolutely so this guy uh politis seems to have a lot of ideas so you know i was pretty curious to see what his paranormal theories were. The thing is, he refuses to talk about what he thinks is happening. Which is really a plot twist I wasn't expecting, that even the paranormal investigator on the job is trying to cover up the explanations. Wow. So with the main investigator on this case refusing to say what's going on here, and call it a double yes or double no, it looks like, as always, it's up to us to find out the truth. on this case refusing to say what's going on here and call it a double yes or double no, it looks like, as always,

it's up to us to find out the truth. So Rory, I'm gonna give you some paranormal possibilities and you're gonna decide which of these is most likely. Some think that the eerie, almost supernatural speed at which these people go missing is proof of only one thing, Wendigo or skinwalkers. Of course, of course.

We've talked about these in other episodes, but they're ancient paranormal creatures from Native American folklore, but are still believed in by many people across America. It would definitely explain why these disappearances happen on national parks and reservations, because these are kind of ancient stomping grounds of Wendigo or Skinwalkers. Yeah, that's a really good point. I mean, it still seems strange that if that were the case, that there would be so little evidence um it seems like some of these people are just disappearing off the face of the earth and anytime we talked about a wendigo attack it's a pretty visceral right violent ordeal yeah experience you know you'd find a lot of remains a lot of evidence i think if that were the case people shredded into red piles of meat. It's true. Unless the Wendigo possesses them.

That's a good point. I don't know how that works necessarily. So it could be, it could be, it could be viable. Imagine that, they possess them and then they just float off like some kind of reanimated puppet. Okay, paranormal explanation number two, Bigfoot. Maybe the reason we're not seeing a trace or even a struggle of any kind of predator animal is because this is some kind of powerful, intelligent cryptid attacking people in the parks and knows not to get caught or give away where it is.

Yeah, maybe I've just been in this profession for too long, but I'm always just so against using bigfoot as a scapegoat for paranormal events um you know there's probably more creative reasons behind this i feel kind of weird as being like shrug i don't know bigfoot well i mean it is his stomping ground isn't it that's true you're saying they all stomped into the ground? Like a f***ing Goomba? All right. I'm sensing that neither of these so far are speaking to you, Rory. Not yet.

Not yet. But I've saved the best explanation until last. Here we go. Here we go. People around the world have been taking an interest in solving the case of these mysterious disappearances, and one amateur investigator noticed something neat. A shred of evidence. Just two images that they posted online, side by side, which

tell a terrifying possible story. Oh, Hugh, I'm already on board. Here we have a map of various disappearances in the USA, marked by pins. And underneath it, we have the same map of the USA, but instead, showing all the different cave systems in the world.

F*** yes! Notice any similarities, my friend friend here we go folks which one is which because it printed in black and white and i think there was supposed to be some color information to help me decipher which is which i think it's the top is the disappearances and the bottom is the caves yep all right there is a there's a huge link here folks all right yeah i'm being shown the color version yeah there's a huge link the height of the disappearances are happening around the height of the cave appearances it is it is quite stark if you see these images i mean it's uh we've got basically a huge stretch going up from um on East Coast, stretching from kind of New York into Canada direction,

right down into the center of the country. And then patches, you know, around, say, Texas, and then a whole ton up to kind of California and the Pacific Northwest. So I don't want to jump too far ahead of your own conclusions. But what I'm assuming you're saying here is that those caves obviously lead down into the hollow earth and the ant people are coming out and grabbing human bodies and dragging them into the caves. And that's why it looked like the child was grabbed by a demon up on the devil's peen or whatever that was called. I'm the last person who wants to start talking about a hollow earth. Oh, my God, I was right.

But we have talked in the podcast a bunch of times about people living inside the earth. Recently on an episode about Mount Shasta in America, where there was supposedly a race of Lemurian superhumans living inside the earth for the last 5 million years. They once lived on an ancient continent, a bit like Atlantis, that sunk. And so they've had to move inside the earth.

And it does make us think back to a little hint of what Dave Politis said. People go missing near boulders. I came across one story on Reddit about a couple who had an odd experience with boulders in Arizona. I was standing in front of a wall of granite boulders of all sizes and shapes when all of a sudden I heard the most beautiful singing I've ever heard. There were no words, but the joyous music just kept on. I stood there, rooted to the spot, entranced, hardly daring, literally, to believe my ears. The music came from the boulders.

I looked around, and as I did, it was as if I became a truly genuine part of the universe. Wow, this is a great boulder. So someone is having some kind of mystical experience just by hiking near to these rocks in arizona hopefully this wasn't just a wall street businessman going for his first ever hike i could smell the sand the nature the birds tweeting i started tweeting back so what's going on here are these boulders luring people to their death or is something living amongst the stones trying to lure passersby into i don't know sounds like another plane of existence yeah that's really creepy isn't it it's almost like a siren you know you hear that sweet song calling you in into the into the caves into the darkness and then you're just

gone it would be really interesting to know if that is a meme of uh like desert culture people who've you know lived in the desert for generations you know because you know we're from obviously island nations and in this part of the world you know yes sirens and things are very famous um but i wonder if there's anything like that any kind of any kind of call to the wilds that yeah it reminds me very uh creepily i was just gonna work it out because i can never remember the name of it oh it reminds me of um the enigma of amigara fault that junji ito oh yeah uh manga where everyone has a hole that's shaped like themselves in the rocks yeah oh yeah oh no and they're just drawn to it and then once you see your hole you have to go into your hole like it's it's really kind of creepy parallels um oh my god

i didn't even i've read that and i haven't even didn't even think of that we've talked about this uh manga on the show before if you like really creepy things if you like the darker side of the paranormal and mysterious you'll get a real kick out of this manga if you haven't seen it already um but if you're easily disturbed i wouldn't read it because it's a little bit haunting it kind of sticks with you for life it does more or less you don't really forget it i mean the the artist behind it junji do is he's incredible like the way he depicts really weird creepy horrible things is just like whoa i don't know how you capture that much fear in a in a in with a drawing it's it's amazing but it's very spooky it's very so you have been warned drawing but i do know also,

I did joke about it earlier. I think we talked about it on one podcast before. I think it's in New Mexico where there's like a cave, a whole bunch of cave systems. And I don't know. There's some legends that there are like eight ant aliens

that live inside the caves. Sure. I feel like I'm not even giving this 100 myself it's very late in the podcast to start dropping ant aliens isn't it i don't know the ant alien name i don't know they're whatever they're like the old human old alien ancient aliens that you know have uh when humans kind of popped up they went into the caves and they've been there for like a million years. Yada, yada, yada, yada, yada.

Who knows? Maybe there are some creatures living in these caves that are coming out and ganking people. It's so possible. So possible it hurts. You know, some of these stories have led some to believe that we're looking at something like portals, maybe even. Maybe this isn't Wendigo or Skinwalkers, but some kind of, you know, like we discussed on a previous podcast, like that movie, maybe even. Maybe this isn't Wendigo or Skinwalkers, but some kind of, you know,

like we discussed on a previous podcast, like that movie, Palm Springs, some kind of bizarre, naturally occurring portal out in the desert that people are falling into. Right, yeah. They might not even be permanent portals. Maybe these are time loops that open up here or there. It seems far-fetched, of course,

but it would explain why sniffer dogs that have been trained for years, these scent trails just drop off out of nowhere. It's a good point, yeah. Granted, the only way we would know if this is true is if someone came back and survived one of these portals. Thankfully, we might just have one story like that. What? There is a boy, a three-year-old boy, that went missing on a fly-fishing trip. He was found five hours later, thankfully.

And when questioned about where he'd been, he said he followed an old lady to the foot of the nearby mountain. Oh, God, no. Suddenly, he was in a dusty armory full of robots and futuristic weaponry. What? This is where it gets wild. The old woman's head started to glow, and she demanded that the boy poop on a piece of paper for her.

He refused and she sent him away, telling him to wait in the trees until he was found again. They never managed to ascertain exactly where the child had been for five hours and they only had his story to go on. Isn't that so unsatisfying if you're that parent and you're freaking the f**k out for five hours you think your little boy is gone forever comes back and he's like i walked to the mountain with the old lady and then she made me go poopy and i saw a laser gun what yeah i didn't want to go poopy so i came back to you guys cool so at what point were

you with this old lady for five hours what about this makes any sense yeah uh look i have a uh i have a nephew who is turning two years old and uh i don't he's more than a year away from giving paranormal testimony that's what I'm hearing. I love the kid. He's great. I don't trust him as far as I can throw him. That's a bad analogy because I could probably throw him pretty far. You give us a story in a previous podcast episode of the time you on a family home video,

along with your brother, cross corroborated that, I think a crocodile spoke to you. Spoke to both of us, yeah. And we didn't let it go. The whole family trip was ruined. All the tapes are unwatchable because it's just us trying to convince our parents desperately. You should see our eyes as we say it,

that a crocodile talked to both of us. And if either of your parents had been uh slightly more gullible that could have been a case that we ended up discussing on this paranormal life yeah you know as a real story because all it takes is one adult to believe the nonsense all it takes is one crocodile telling you to shit in a pepsi can for it to be a official paranormal investigation wow that's that's bizarre you know i can't say um i can't say i believe this kid but um it seems like maybe something happened to him whether or not he just bumped into a homeless woman in the woods for a

while it does sound a bit like a crazy old lady tried to steal him and he ran away more plausible yeah so we've reached the end of our investigation if you will we are the bloodhounds and the trail has gone cold and we are left with um the difficult decision of call off the hunt or say this one's truly paranormal rory what do you think from what we've discussed today uh there's a lot to get through so many different cases with so many different possible explanations behind them um i i don't know about this reappearance that we kind of threw in at the end there um when i when you said that the kid disappeared when he was three years old i thought you were gonna say then he came back he came back as a man like manji style bearded yeah like like a year later someone was like i was the boy

you know or something like that uh but no this is kind of just like a kid who went missing for for five hours it's a difficult case because for it to be paranormal truly paranormal we need there to almost be no evidence left behind yeah if there's evidence left behind then we know it's like a bear or they fell down a cliffside or got lost in a cave but then the problem with that is no evidence makes it also quite hard to prove that something paranormal did happen it's kind of a conundrum we're in a bit of like a catch-22 here and this is where the paranormal butts up against the scientific because the science says you can't have like a positive hypothesis. Just because something may be possible means that we're going to accept it as true.

You have to prove things in science. And people talk a lot about the burden of proof. Paranormal people like to say, well, there's no reason to say they didn't fall into a portal. So I'm going to believe that. And science says, no, no, no. The default should be a bear took these people. Right. We shouldn't assume that the paranormal happened.

But it's, you know, there's an argument there, you know, because we've seen it in this paranormal life before. Sometimes the scientific explanation doesn't make any sense either. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you're kind of screwed either way really so we do have to decide whether this is a yes or a no paranormal or not roy what do you say today i would have loved a case where someone had come forward with a bit more of a personal experience and i know that's contradictory to these types of disappearances because they happen when no one else can see them. Um, but yeah,

someone who witnessed someone disappearing or almost disappeared themselves. The closest we've got is that child being snatched by a demon on a cliffside. But I mean, even that is, what did you say? That was 1930s,

1938. Yeah. That's pretty dated. If that's going to be your piece of evidence that turns every disappearance that's happened in this these cave systems to be paranormal i think it's going to be a no from me this week unfortunately you're quite right rory this is trying to find the paranormal explanation here is a little bit like trying to find proof of an afterlife there's a there's an event horizon a veil yeah uh once someone disappears

we're never getting that evidence we're never getting the story of what truly happened there just like after someone dies we'll never know what happens to them after that like we that uh the map you showed is great you know the links up between like the cave systems and disappearances and deaths but then also caves and cliff sides are the most dangerous places where people go wander sure so for the deaths to be higher yeah you got me it's a double no god damn it folks it's like did you know volcanoes are paranormal there's a higher death rate around people skydiving into volcanoes look at this map of disappearances versus gun ownership you know little disappointing maybe for some um gotta thank those people i mentioned at

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