This Paranormal Life - #248 Bob Lazar - Part 2

Episode Date: February 1, 2022

In the second and final instalment of our series on infamous UFO witness Bob Lazar we answer all the big questions - where did the UFOs come from and how do they work? What did the military do when they found out Bob was a whistleblower? Why do his colleagues ask such invasive questions? More importantly, we decide whether the whole story is paranormal or not.Buy Official TPL Merch! -  thisparanormallife.com/storeSupport us on Patreon.com/ThisParanormalLife to get access to bonus episodes!Follow us on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTubeJoin our Secret Society Facebook CommunityAdvertise on This Paranormal Life via Gumball.fmIntro music by www.purple-planet.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Last time on This Paranormal Life. The staff of Las Vegas news channel KLAS-TV were about to break a big story live on TV and the stakes were high. They had a man on the line with secret information from within a secret government facility. Well, there's several, actually nine flying saucers, flying disks that are out there of extraterrestrial origin. But I mean, couldn't our government have made them? Totally impossible. A letter arrived detailing an advanced propulsion job working for the U.S. government in a, quote, remote area. What age did you first jack off?

Okay, I don't understand the relevancy of the question. Tase the man. Tase him. He was officially invited to join the team. You won't be working at this facility. Climb aboard and you'll be taken to S4. S4? What the hell is S4? It was made up of enormous concrete buildings and vast aircraft hangars. As the bus arrived on site, Bob glanced into one of the cavernous warehouses and did a double take. There, as clear as day, was a flying saucer.

Welcome back to This Paranormal Life. This is the weekly comedy podcast where every week we investigate a different paranormal tale and today we are on part two of an investigation into the man the myth the legend the ufo witness bob lazar oh yeah this week we're dropping the comedy from comedy paranormal podcast things are getting serious leave the hahas at the door ladies and gentlemen um rory on last week's episode like i say we finally deep dived into the life and times of bob lazar he's probably the single most famous ufo witness of the 21st century so far so listener if you haven't heard part one of our story i highly suggest you go back and listen to that bit first a lot more of this episode will make sense that way you don't have clearance to be here you need to go back complete levels 1 through 10 listen to part 1 and then come

here for part 2 you are currently the janitor trying to mop the floors of area 51 you can't do it and that's an inside joke you probably don't get because you ain't listened yet so when we left off last week bob had just been recruited by the US military to work at a secretive research base in the New Mexico desert called S4 to join Project Galileo. When we left him, he had just come face to face

with a supposed alien technology for the first time. That is overall the motherlode of intense first days on the job right i think this is the man who who built a rocket car while he was in his in his prime he's probably bursting with ideas of what he could do with this alien technology like i worked in a lot of restaurants before and that's quite stressful you know sometimes like one of the chefs is off sick or like you're washing dishes and you run out of fairy liquid like that's a bad first day but bob was basically interrogated flown across

the country with a bag on his head to area 51 then no sooner had he landed was told oh you're not working here we have to go somewhere even more secret so the bag goes back on and he's taken to s4 and then is handed the keys to an alien spaceship and told to reverse engineer it by Friday. This is like working your first day at a restaurant in another galaxy. The chef is screaming at you

in a language you don't understand. The waiter's like, I need six f***ing glimglorps over the table spleen. What? Do I cook a glimglorps over the table spleen. What? Do I cook a glimglorp? Or do they come packaged? You hand him the nearest thing to hand.

You idiot! That's a glipglorp! Isn't that what you said? No! I want that food out here by the time I count to guac. Glop. Glantu. Guac! I don't know how long I have. Is that a long time? Whack. Oodle. Clantu. Whack.

I don't know how long I have. Is that a long time? You chop off your fingers and put them on a plate. He's like, finally. Bob is probably in S4 right now. Like, do I live here now? Are we going back, by the way? My car is double parked back in Washington.

I thought I'd have time to move it before we shipped out to Area 51. Yeah, you don't even know if you're going to ever see your loved ones again once you take a job like that. And if you ask too many questions, the bag stays on forever. So we're back standing in Research Base S4 looking at this piece of alien technology. Everyone was looking for Bob's reaction.

He was naturally struggling to find the words. Faced with a potentially alien anti-gravity device for the first time. He said, what? What am I looking at here? His new lab partner, Barry, did his best to explain how it worked. I'm going for a kind of Q vibes. I feel like in the movies, the first guy is always British. Right, yeah. when you go into the lab if the hero is american the the first guy who knows more than him has to be british yeah redneck general british scientist american hero yeah and the american hero has to be like in english einstein yeah you see the uh the beings come from another planet where age and time doesn't exist. They're eternal beings in English, Einstein.

It means they're not American and we can kill them. No, well, sure it does, but... His new lab partner, Barry, did his best to explain how it worked. It's load sensing. So if there's no load on the reactor at all, it shuts down. When there's a load present on it, it starts up again. There's no wiring that connects any of the subcomponents together whatsoever. They just have to be in the immediate vicinity. The stuff is borderline magic.

The words of Arthur C. Clarke came to Bob's mind. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. This has to be alien. Barry broke Bob's concentration. Hey, I know this is a lot to take in. Why don't I show you to your desk in the lab? Sure, thanks. He guided him into a lab with several desks around the room and computers at each one. Barry ran over to a desk that looked very untidy and quickly swept all the stuff on the desk into a bin. There we go. You can sit here.

Yeah, make yourself comfortable. Uh, why was there stuff on that desk? Oh, uh, um, I, yeah, I don't know. Oh, yeah, Greg must have left some stuff lying around. Uh, should be good to go, though. Uh, oh, yeah, someone's logged in. Oh, weird. Uh, let me just log them out and lying around. Should be good to go, though. Oh, yeah, someone's logged in. Oh, weird. Let me just log them out.

And yeah, you're good to go. Was this somebody's desk before mine? I mean, at some point, sure, yeah. Recently? The coffee still has steam rising from the cup. That's mine. Just how I like it. With goat's milk.

I'm worried that someone held my position quite recently before I did. No, no. Where'd you get that idea from? Look, right over here. We've got your name. We've got like a name printed out for you, for your desk. That's not my name. Really? You're not William?

Who's William? Okay, this is going very poorly. I'm going to come clean. We had a member of the team recently pass away on the job. What? Well, the reactor I showed you. He was experimenting on it

and tried to cut into it with some high power drills and, well, he exploded. Jesus Christ! Yes, like I say, very unfortunate. Also, I didn't tell you that. Okay, I'm obviously not being told the full picture here. Everything is on a need-to-know basis. Bob would later state in an interview in 2019 that the military didn't tell you everything. They didn't tell any one person everything.

They purposely assigned projects to different groups of workers and would only share snippets of the whole story. That way it's harder for anyone to try and leak the truth to the outside world. That makes sense. For example, his team worked on the propulsion and power systems. Others were tasked with recreating alien metals while another squad dealt with extraterrestrial weapons it wasn't an easy ride all right it's not quite broken down as much as i thought it was going to be those are still pretty big secrets to just have a chunk of like i thought maybe some people would be working

with a strange metal but they're not told it's alien. Other people are examining some sort of biological life, but they're not told that it came from another planet. You're just saying this guy's got a ray gun, but he doesn't know that Steve the Martian is next door watching him

through double-sided glass. It really sounds like if Greg, Steve and Karen just meet accidentally at the canteen, they could build an alien warship. I love the idea of one of

these scientists, you know, deciding to blow the whistle one day and the colonel's like, don't worry, Mr. President. He only knows a small piece of the puzzle. It's like, so I just want to come out today to say that aliens are real. I've been taking one apart in a hospital buried underground.

And the colonel's like, in hindsight, that is a very large piece of the puzzle. We should have broken it down further. You see, the puzzle is so large that that seems small. Needless to say, it wasn't an easy ride working here. Bob struggled to get his head around the science of it that was almost the way they wanted it rory i'm imagining this is perhaps somewhat like working at ign it was very much like working at ign which is often referred to as the um the cia of the games industry you know i i had embargoed information. That I had to protect with my life.

When GTA 5 was going to launch. On the latest consoles. How to complete the weekly Fortnite challenges. Before they went live. All of those secrets aged me a thousand years. Just holding them in my body. Turned me into a toxic swamp man. And you know.

I'm glad that I came out the other side uh now i regularly leak embargoed information just for fun to get like a sick kick out of it but it was a very stressful time it was and much like an ex-cia officer rory is in high demand to work as a private contractor in the middle east, hunting down game facts and interviews. Bob knew he had to proceed with caution. One wrong move, and that desk would be someone else's soon. He kept his head down and his wits about him,

working tirelessly for months at S4. In that time, he and the other scientists allegedly figured out the process of alien space travel. Do you want to know how it works? Yeah. Do you know? Remember the half basketball sized gravity generator from earlier? That exploded a man? Sure, but only because he tried to peek inside Pandora's box. He f***ed around and found out. Each craft had three of those reactors at specific points in their ship. All three would focus on the point they want to travel to. So here's how researcher Amy explains it. Picture a thin sheet of stretchy rubber laid flat and anchored to the ground at the corners. The stretchy

rubber represents space-time. Now imagine a little kitten sleeping at one end of it. Okay, we like, Now imagine a little kitten sleeping at one end of it. Okay. And the color of the cat? Are we talking like a black cat, white cat, cabby cat? Doesn't matter. Let's say a white cat. It's easier to see in space.

Okay. And the age? Like six months. Two years. Six months. Six months. Wow. Tiny cat. Tiny little cute cat.

Now pick a spot on the sheet and imagine grabbing it and pulling it up towards the kitten. Okay. Like tucking him in for like it and pulling it up towards the kitten. Okay. Like tucking him in for like a little nap. This little baby kitten. Don't get too bogged down in it. Let's forget that it's a kitten. Let's say it's a tennis ball. All right.

So pick a spot on the sheet and imagine grabbing it and pulling it towards the tennis ball. All right. Tucking in the tennis ball for a nap. You're not tucking in anything. It just doesn't make as much sense as it did with the kitten. You're right tucking in the tennis ball for a nap it just doesn't make as much sense as it did with you're not tucking in anything you just in fact you don't even need to actually speak for this entire explanation uh it's more just to like so the listeners at home can follow along it's just tennis balls don't nap they don't need cozy little naps so like a

kitten does so i don't i'm just none of it's related to sleeping or nap time or anything so we're talking about space time and rubber and space time that was the rubber like why sorry i've confused space time for nap time i guess i said the kitten was sleeping my bad or amy said it so yeah just start over start fresh the rubber represents space time got it and there's on the rubber, there's a tennis ball. Okay. And you grab a piece of the rubber and pull it towards the tennis ball. This chosen destination, the point that you picked up, has now been brought to the tennis ball or the kitten that's sleeping. The generators in the craft would then power down and the tennis ball or kitten follows that stretch rubber back to its initial position.

Basically, the kitten all right even you're struggling to tell me about it so it couldn't have been that clear an analogy it essentially has to be a good i cannot stress enough how crucial the sleeping kitten is to this because because a lot of this shit's about mice and milk so so it really does have to be the kitten now imagine the kitten is from a litter there's six other of these sons of bitches uh the kittens in this uh in this example the kitten stays sleeping the kitten didn't go anywhere but yet it did because it's like space time itself went and picked it up and moved it uh okay okay i'm loosely grasping what what's going on here what i'm trying to say is they don't do linear travel like we do with rocket fuel

blasting us through space they don't go from point a to point b these gravity generators bend point a to be right next to point b right i mean this is the kind of shit that has mankind stuck here on earth it's playing by the rules obeying the laws of science and physics that is nerd shit that's why those eggheads at nasa are never going to be able to do cool travel like this because we follow the principles of the understandings of how the universe works you know know, we don't do enough weird shit. We talk about this on our podcast all the time. You got an engine that can send a rocket to fuel? Start f***ing around.

Throw a bunch of frogs in there. See what that does. You know, attach a firework to an electric guitar and send it to the moon. You know, you got to do weirder things and see what happens. Like these guys with their magic space balls. You're absolutely right. These are the kind of ideas

that are sorely lacking from NASA. And frankly, a reason why SpaceX has overtaken them. Yeah. It's sad that this is weirdly accurate that SpaceX actually did put a car into space. Right, yeah. Yeah, that is actually like something I would say, isn't it? You're saying these engines basically don't play

by our understandings of how the space travel works. They're bending the universe, really, and time to reach locations. Yeah, I think it's pretty interesting and almost believable in a sense that the aliens would find a route to space travel that is completely outside of our understanding or complete the complete opposite of what we would choose to do um weirdly i think it's also how they explain um the ship in futurama works they're like oh it

doesn't actually travel through space it moves space around. I didn't want to bring it up, but it is how the ship from Futurama works. Which is fine because Bob Lazar predates Futurama. It's true. And Futurama is a great show. I love what you're saying, though. I never really thought about that. That up to now, astronauts and scientists have been obeying the laws of physics. I know.

It's like James Dean wasn't obeying the laws of the United States of America when he was ripping around Hollywood in Little Bastard. Right. Well, that, as we covered, probably killed him. But he looked f***ing dope in the meantime. It's true. This is the problem. We're not going to get anywhere in space exploration if we obey the laws of the universe we need to start sending criminals and cowboys and pirates out of the earth's atmosphere because they won't obey the law the united states of america was not founded by

good people not by nerds who obeyed laws it was was, in fact, funded by outlaws. I want the ISS to be filled with ISC, International Space Criminals. I want it to be the cantina from Star Wars orbiting around the Earth where the scummiest living creatures of the galaxy all come together to drink sludge and f*** each other. I don't know what good that's going to do for mankind.

I think I've slightly lost the point of what this project was for, but that's what I want. I couldn't agree more. At the very least, we can put in some 4K video cameras and turn it into a reality TV show. International space criminals. Real housewives of the International Space Station. The International Space Criminals are 100% the enemies of the Galactic 12. The banditos who keep hunting the

Galactic 12 down. The Galactic 12 are like, you need to obey the laws of the universe. And the ISC are like, no, we just want to drink goop and f**k each other it's an endless battle that rages on for years listen i have an idea what if we put our differences aside and you the galactic 12 create a new home planet far away in another galaxy for humanity to prosper into future generations so that they can drink goop and each other all right that's enough we thought you changed the way bob could describe how the alien ships worked is really one of the most interesting bits about his story because he was very specific when asked what these gravity engines run on for fuel he said it was atomic element 115

the only problem was there was no such thing oh the periodic table didn't include any such element that is until 2003 when it was finally discovered about 14 years after bob first claimed it oh my god nerd listeners will already know it's called moscovium um we did touch on this briefly in our episode on raiding area 51 does this now in retrospect does it feel authentic to you that he claimed this as the fuel or does it feel like a lucky guess i mean is this true that they discovered a new element in 2000 do you say 14 2003 in 2004 14 years after he talked about the element of 115 i did not know we were still discovering elements that recently we are i mean it makes sense as scientific equipment gets better

and more advanced sure we'll probably find some new things. That is bizarre, though. I feel like that isn't the first time we've had a story based around either time travel or space travel that has mentioned that the fuel is an element that hasn't yet been disclosed to the public. Right. Yeah. I feel like there was another one

maybe about that beehive giant bell time machine. And it ran on some fictitious element that had like a red liquid that hadn't been, you know, talked about in the mainstream yet. So this is a common theme. You know, it's kind of, I mean, you could argue that it's an easy out in terms of explaining how these things work. It's like, well, you haven't even heard of the fuel yet, but it does exist. Yeah. Okay, sure. That's a logical explanation, I guess.

But it is kind of crazy that he said it existed and then it was discovered this many years later. I completely agree. I think the more you think about it, the more you realize that any tale that really involves getting into the nitty-gritty science of how alien civilizations work of course we're going to come across new elements new compounds new metals that we don't have access to on earth yeah so this does seem like a pretty realistic conversation i suppose that could be their oil on whatever planet they're from they drill in and get this moscovian or whatever it's called it's fucking spice from june it's like yeah what does their planet run on we know what ours runs on i know that's the dinosaur juice well that's it imagine

people coming down and they're and we're freaking out over all their crazy technology and they're like well how do your cars work and it's well, dinosaurs died and turned to goop in the earth. And we suck it out with a big straw and put it in an engine. You're like, you're f***ing psychos. We use stardust from fallen angels. You're mud people. They're like, what do you do with the goop? Do you refine it into its like molecular structure and do nuclear fission on it?

I was like, we set fire to it. And it burns. And the heat makes the car go vroom. Jesus Christ. And how do you stay warm in your houses? You're never going to guess. We set fire to shit. We really hit fire and then didn't reach for nothing more.

Fire was the band-aid that fixed everything and we just thought that's pretty perfect let's do that it's so hilarious how like um ancient and carnal our relationship is with fire i just moved house as you know rory and uh i've now got a fireplace and it's f***ing wicked it's really mad how like just throwing a couple bits of wood in a corner of your room and setting fire to it. Like you turn into a caveman. You're like, me feel cozy, me feel happy. Right. It's really strange.

You hear the noise. There's like something kind of like, you know, built into you that you just, yeah, it's a great feeling. People love campfires. People love bonfires, fireplaces. It is bizarre. So the only problem with Bob's mention of Element 115 as a fuel and then its subsequent discovery is that as of yet, Moscovium doesn't seem to have any of the properties he described. It's extremely radioactive, which does sound cool, but it's yet to be stabilized for any real amount of time. It's far too atomically unstable to be

useful for anything. Right. Okay. I mean, maybe for us. Exactly. But, you know, I mean, any kind of stories we've come across that mention UFOs also are usually followed with a huge amount of radioactivity. So according to me so far, this checks out. He claimed that the alien reactors are filled with element 115 and bombarded with protons. These enter the nucleus of the atoms and transform this into element 116, causing the reactor to emit tiny amounts of antimatter. Once the switch has been made, something something, it travels down a tube and creates an assload of energy. Hence the antimatter drive. And interestingly, Bob claimed there are several other quote unquote officially undiscovered elements in government research facilities

right now wow they just haven't been disclosed crazy rory it's time we revisited what the craft actually looks like this is a drawing from bob that we first looked at a couple of years back okay okay uh i mean look for the amount of detail that we were just given, let me tell you that this illustration does not follow suit. I thought this was going to be like borderline blueprints. Yes, schematics to an alien craft breaking it down item by item. This is a children's drawing of a UFO. I wouldn't go that far.

The aliens were minimalists. They were the Steve Jobs of the galaxy. It's just if you told a child to draw a UFO, it's like the flying saucer shape. There's a little nub at the bottom that he's just labeled gravity amplifier there's also something called the reactor

and the wave guide which we didn't hear about and then almost bizarrely at the top there seems to be little windows or I don't know some sort of markings on the latch well the aliens need to see out don't they

do they I don't know surely some sort of markings on the latch. Well, aliens need to see out, don't they? Do they? I don't know. Surely if the craft is that advanced, then we'd be beyond little windows to look outside of it. And it does, even though it is kind of hidden by some of the text, it does look like it has a little antenna or something on top. But I will say, as far as it goes, this is a pretty generic looking UFO. Not to say that's a bad thing if anything that checks out yeah i gotta say i didn't notice the antenna and now it's

bumming me out why i don't know how many there's not a lot of things in the 21st century on earth that need an antenna anymore that's really yeah a little cartoon antenna with a pole and a little ball on top uh but i'm not going to get too hung up on the antenna um you know i seem to remember when we last discussed this drawing sure looks extremely generic um um but this was at a time when we had, well, me, you weren't born yet, for one. But culturally, we hadn't been quite as bombarded with all these classic images of UFOs as we have today. Sure, UFO sightings had been around from the 50s, 60s, 70s into the 80s when Bob came clean. But I don't know if this UFO would have seemed as laughable at the time. Yeah, I mean, he's in a really difficult situation where if someone tells him to draw what the UFO looks like

and that's what it looks like, he's not going to be like, well, I'm not going to add a bunch of shit that wasn't there just so that it looks like a gritty, realistic version of the UFO. I'm drawing exactly what I saw. If he added, you know, shading and machine guns mounted on the side,

it's like, that's not accurate, you know? I'm just drawing you exactly what I saw. If you think he feels bad, how do you think an alien from their planet would feel going back and telling them what our ships look like? Right. Their alien leader's like, so you mean to tell me their

spaceships are shaped like their cocks like i know it seems weird but yes they build giant dicks and then they get inside them and then they ejaculate into space and they're like that is so far-fetched you sick that tells you everything you need to know though about mankind pretty much i think it'll be funny rory for how not seriously you just took bob's image of the spaceship for you to read how he described the spaceship okay it's a very ominous feeling everything is is one color. It's a dark pewter color. There are no right angles anywhere. Everything looks like it's fused together. It's a really weird looking thing. There was almost nothing other than a small foldable hatch that looked recognizable.

Everything was really unworldly. Well, it's not that unworldly. It looks exactly like something from this world. The interior was clearly designed for very small beings, about three feet tall. The seats were minuscule, too small for a human child even. There's nothing else in there. There's just seats, the reactor, and some of the subcomponents. There's no

control panel. There's no bathroom. There's no decorative components or artwork. There you have it, Roryory it's just that simple just seats and a reactor geez no bathroom oh i don't know man there could be some other apparatus they bring in there to make it work you know there's something funny i find about like all right they don't need a bathroom to excrete waste in. They don't need beds to sleep in. They still need comfy seats, though. Like, you got to sit down.

The ways that they're similar to us, but not similar are funny. Well, I think that's the pitfall, isn't it? To look at this craft and be like, you know, there were no there were no peanuts for mid flights. There were no televisions for on-board entertainment and it's like you don't know what this thing is sure he's saying this for little three foot creatures but for all you know how to fly that thing is you walk up to the front of it put your dick in a panel your eyes roll back in your head. Probably not, though, right? And your soul merges with the craft

and you control it through an extent of your body. You don't know. This is you on the alien planet explaining how the dick craft works. We think that it's powered by dicks, surely. This is my first day at the secret base. They're like a top team of scientists and oddballs that we thought could work together

to solve the mysteries of the craft. I raise my hand. Has anyone tried f***ing it? Get him out of here. Immediate handcuffs. You are absolutely right, though. That is an interesting thought experiment. We don't know

what this is this could be on the not too crazy end of things this could be an escape pod right that's why it doesn't have anything in it or it could be like this is their f***ing bicycle it takes them such a short amount of time to get from wherever they're from to earth that it's like you hop in this is like standing on the tube for them that's why there's nothing in it yeah you just walk in hang your coat on a seat put your limp little noodle no no no you don't there's no one he didn't mention anything to do and the next thing you know you're home so obviously he's orgasming anything if his eyes are rolling back in his head after he puts his dick in the reactor. I didn't say. I specified limp. So he's obviously not orgasming.

It's purely business. You're lowering the tone of the episode and I don't quite appreciate it. All right. You're right. That's a little bit crass. You're right. It's crass. I think he realistically takes a handful of element 115 and shoves it up his ass no so much worse where does flying come

into that flying i just said it was a good time trust me when that shit's up there you don't want to go anywhere all right so you're not using the plane. No, no. Why get on a ship? But mind-blowingly, this was only one of nine ships at S4. When asked what the others looked like, he said there was a slimline version he called the Sport Model, another he called the Jell-O Mold, and a third he called a giant top hat. All right. I love it if he was like,

he referred to one as the eternal jelly mold of Xantron, a ship indescribable in human words. Here's the drawing. It's like, all right, I'm starting to think he just can't draw. That looks exactly like the first one. I agree, though. I'm imagining Sport Model is a top down hair flowing through the galaxy. AC, DC on the alien radio that's the one you you ride around to impress your partner when you go out for a date on a friday night oh yeah arm hanging over the side just soaking up radiation it's a borderline just bones by the time you land this the sport model is the spaceship you don't want to see your daughter's new boyfriend

pull up in to take her out to prom. Yeah, space prom. It's like, no way. You're not going out on that thing. That thing is a death trap. Get back here. What kind of elements does that thing use? 16?

12. 12? what kind of elements does that thing use 16 12 that thing uses Moscovian 12s you might as well be writing in a time bomb darling you got asteroid insurance I'm not letting my little my little slim slam write

I'm not writing my little princess slim slam in a sports model with no asteroid insurance is that the 2012 model Jesus Christ man can we can we

go that thing is a Zoop Guzzler what am I doing what is this bit you're just saying things about the ship at this point we can we can take your ship i don't i don't care he's got the um the camper van version of the spaceship you know room out back very safe uh it's all green or red or whatever's good to

these creatures stay safe no drinking and make sure she's home by the time the third moon sets on blingow no you're not going out wearing that i can see your sick thigh ball disturbingly bob said one of the ships at s4 had damage all up one side as if it had been shot down it was around this time his initial excitement about being in the cutting edge of science turned into fearful dread. He suddenly realized that they were messing around with things which they had very little understanding of

and they could be in serious danger. He said it was like giving nukes to people in the Victorian era. You've kind of lost the opportunity to say that this technology was peacefully handed over when some of it has bullet holes in it and smoldering pieces of metal falling off is that blood stains on the metal that's redacted i can literally see it we're so gracious for the donation from our alien overlords

now if some of you janitors will help me clean out the corpses from the cockpit we can get to work i mean like unveiling it's like we just got a new ship donated from the the gracious scientists over uh in our nearest galaxy they said that they hoped that we could use it and that we would appreciate this small token from one race to another. In the background, there's just like a little goo man running away. Gling blum glum, gling blum glum, gling blum. Gone down in the background. Ignore that. Ignore that.

Six marines are still firing. Into his body. Please have mercy. Enjoy this gift from one race to another. Get him. Get him now. Get him before he escapes. Stop him from breathing. So after six months of employment at S4,

Bob thought enough is enough. He had to say something. He had to start voicing his opinion to the other scientists. We have no idea how the physics operate within this thing. The power levels are astronomical. It's incredibly dangerous to tinker with something like that. Keep your voice down. Do you really want to stick your head above the trenches like that?

Do you really think they'll listen? His colleague was right. Everyone in the military, after all, is just following orders. They continued trying to rip off the alien design, and before long they had built their own working prototype. The plan was to test them in the sky above S4 under the guise of an unplanned nuclear test.

Because Bob had access to the test schedule, he decided to come down and watch from the outskirts of the base. This is worrying. Doing it under the guise of a nuclear test already kind of implies how you think the test is going to go. You think there's going to be some sort of enormous explosion and people will be turned into liquid it's not under the

disguise of uh you know testing a weather balloon or an experimental plane sure it's like let's say that this is the detonation of an atomic bomb. That's what we'll say it is. Yeah, we're going to take out Prototype 5 for a little test run. That sounds like fun. We're going to put Greg behind the steering wheel. If you could just send out a notice to the state of Arizona for an earthquake warning, though, just in case. Probably not needed, but a bad one, too, like a magnitude 9. If you could get the scientists to explain why it looks like the sun rose at 3 a.m.,

that would be great. Bob even decided to invite some friends to watch this thing. He took people to see the practice flights three times. He couldn't believe what he saw. The thing lifted off extremely quietly and flew through the air in complete silence. But it turned out going to watch the test flights was a big mistake. Specifically, inviting friends to go see the test flights. How was that allowed? How did that slip through the cracks? Oh, it wasn't. On the final test flight, he was found by security. They were

all taken to an interrogation room. And all Bob says is they were, quote, not pleased with him. He knew his days at S4 were numbered. So he decided he had to do the right thing. He was going to tell the media before they took his ass out. That's when he spoke to KLAS TV, the interview that we heard at the start of part one. He chose the alias Dennis, as that was his boss's name at S4. Wow. He knew he'd be in big trouble anyway, so why not go down in a blaze of glory? It's kind of funny because we made fun of the fact that he was not very anonymous in that interview. Yeah.

And it kind of seems like he actually knew that too. Yeah, it was almost like he, you know, wanted to have some form of protection, but was almost okay with getting caught. It was like he didn't want the public to know who he was, but he knew the military would know who he was. Right. Yeah, that makes sense. Unsurprisingly, he was let go from his position, but his dealings with Dennis and the rest of the base's staff were far from over. Lazar claims that

somebody tried very hard to erase his existence on paper. His birth certificate disappeared. His academic records from both MIT and Caltech vanished too. Wow. That's called getting burned, folks. I think that's what they do with spies. Spies get burned. When they no longer work for the man, you get wiped. Your data gets wiped. Your birth certificate, your passport, your existence burned. That's really interesting.

So I'm not surprised that they would do that to top secret scientists as well. I'm going to start telling people that my academic records from Caltech vanished. Yeah, my diploma from Harvard was burned. He soon learned not to talk about his friends and family by name in public because as soon as he let a name slip, that person would receive threats and harassment. He was audited by the IRS out of nowhere and ended up having to declare bankruptcy. A few weeks after his abrupt exit from S4, he received a strange phone call out of nowhere. Uh, hello?

Bob, it's Dennis here. How you doing, stranger? Hello, Dennis. What do you want? There's no way to speak to your old friend, Dennis. How you doing, you son of a bitch? How am I doing? You people took everything from me to your old friend, Dennis. How you doing, you son of a bitch? How am I doing? You people took everything from me. You burned me, Dennis. My credentials, my passport, my birth certificate.

I'm bankrupt. I don't know. Listen, I'm sorry to hear things aren't going so well for you on the other side of S4, but listen, no hard feelings, eh? How about you say we meet up at a specific time and location just to shoot the shit about the old times, you know? Okay. Specifically, the Clarence Hotel, 1400 hours, Tuesday. All right, well, I was thinking maybe like a Starbucks on the corner.

There's a nice new one on the corner just by my apartment. Fine. Starbucks, 1400 hours, Tuesday. However, upon arrival, he spotted what were clearly security guards from S4 milling around in the lobby of their meeting in plain clothes. Feeling uneasy, Bob decided to leave and he never heard from dennis ever again wow but if you thought the ordeal was over not quite just a few weeks after that he was out in the car headed onto the freeway and suddenly he realized he was being tailed closely by a white car so he assumed at

first the driver was in a hurry to get on the highway, so he sped up. But he couldn't have been more wrong. Gunshots rang out from the vehicle behind, piercing his rear windscreen. Bob's car began to skid out of control and smashed into the central reservation. He sat in the driver's seat, frozen in terror and expecting to be shot again. But nothing further happened. He's convinced it was an attempt on his life. He sat in the driver's seat, frozen in terror and expecting to be shot again. But nothing further happened. He's convinced it was an attempt on his life. Perhaps it was a random act of road rage,

but maybe indeed it was the US government trying to intimidate him into keeping quiet. That's when you know shit is bad. When you are having hitmen come after you to try and take your life, but they are so beyond even making it look like an accident yeah they're like you just have to die we'll deal with the consequences of it looking like you were shot in the back of the head you just have to die yeah when when when the shit you know gives you five stars in gta instantly there's tanks coming down the highway after you it's the difference between you know maybe they slip something in your your cold brew uh at the local coffee shop to sending the t1000 to your house to march through the walls with a double barrel shotgun and put it in your

mouth and pull the trigger you know i have said it on this podcast before that um i wouldn't say it's on my bucket list but i would i would like to at some point in my life uh be hunted um have the thrill of being hunted uh maybe not to this extent this is the extreme extent this is i guess the the brutal reality i don't know if there's any other level of extreme to being hunted. That's true. As a man. You know, do you never just want that thrill of like,

I think you've talked about this in the podcast before and I didn't understand then. And I don't understand now. You never wanted to just be like having a drink with your friends all hanging out. And then you see someone through the, the bar window and you just say, I have to go. And you take off running through the kitchen

like it's an action you never want that you gotta like run for your life you could just take a laxative and that would be your life i'm just sitting with my friends having a beer hey why does it smell like shit i have to go it's too late clearly rory rory you left your fourth burrito i don't know. Hopefully someone listening to this podcast is like, I get it, Rory. That sounds rad as hell. Bob Lazar decided it was time to cut his losses and fade into the background. Of course, he is still alive.

And he came back into the public eye when he appeared on Joe Rogan podcast not that long ago. That was back, actually, when we talked about Area 51 in the first place. So he didn't stay in the background for very long. He was on Joe Rogan broadcast to tens of millions and then he has his own Netflix documentary too. Wow. And in recent times, he has addressed claims

that he was making the whole thing up for fame or attention saying i don't get money for this at all as far as attention i hate f***ing attention i don't like being on shows i just want to hide in the corner and do my thing i got enough hugs when i was a kid did he say that on the joe rogan podcast for sure make sure to subscribe up top comment down below and buy my new book and bob is adamant that every penny he's received from appearances and documentaries has been donated to high school science programs. And after all these years, he's sticking to his story.

Rory, this is the life and times of Bob Lazar. Wow. What a great story and a great two parter. We haven't had a two parter in a while because we always like to reserve it for truly big cases that really deserve it. Meaty topics. And I think we had one on our hands here. I will say, I didn't realize that the life of Baudelaire

was that kind of clean cut where it's, you know, into the government, into this bunker where he sees the technology, leak it, and then out yeah i thought maybe he had more experience with different crafts and more uh ufo encounters over the years i'm sorry is experience with nine different models of ufo in a secret air force base not enough for you but all that's that's all under the same context. I thought he was involved in more different paranormal events, you know, across the globe. Whereas it seems like, I mean, that would make less sense if he was like, I've been abducted three times.

I've seen seven UFOs. Oh, right. I see what you're saying. You know, that would be ridiculous. That would be a red flag. Absolutely. Yeah. So this is actually way better. A red flag. Absolutely. Yeah.

So this is actually way better. The fact that it really is just this one term of employment at this one base where he saw all of these crafts. He's Edward Snowden for UFOs. Yeah. He just worked in one government agency for a relatively short period of time and then blew the whistle. And that's his life now. Edward UFOden. We shall call him going forward all right that's the show um it's a lot to try and sum up at the end of an episode of this paranormal life

we normally have to sum it up in a glib yes or no is it really paranormal or not where there is a lot to sum up here um yeah what are the general feelings you have about bob's story i'll be honest with you they're a lot stronger than i thought they were um when you're looking at a basically a man's life uh in terms of their career into the paranormal and the unexplained you can usually find a lot of damaging shit very quickly yeah uh all it takes is to go into their wikipedia page and they typically have a whole section called controversies and there'll be many many reasons uh why you should discredit this person in any case right their wikipedia biography headlines go like uh early life career the math years, controversy.

The lawsuits, controversies, and then often death. Death by math. But I got to say, now I'm just going off of the evidence that was presented to me in these two episodes. Uh, he seems like a reasonably trustworthy character. Doesn't apparently have to have, doesn't apparently have an agenda as to why he would be, um, you know, promoting this message and telling these stories. Uh, it seems, I mean, is his experience and time in the military, I know that it is, or allegedly is classified and top secret secret but is there any credibility to that like actual records of him serving in some sort of government position or was it all burned i think honestly that's probably part of the problem i don't think there is i think there's two ways of looking at this that he's telling the truth and he was burned and uh or that he doesn't even have a university degree i never went to caltech

and he's just making that bit up to make himself seem more legit uh yeah i think that's a problem with the story because we've had we've had other members of the military or the government claim that they've seen paranormal stuff before but we've then been able to verify all right maybe they made that up but hey look here's a photo of him yeah serving at this time he was actually a general these people know him he got medals whatever right uh whereas unfortunately if you know this much shit you get burned pretty hard they'll burn your medals they'll burn your photographs your uniform and all your records that's right uh so i think that is the problem that we're gonna have today is we have what's someone who seems like quite a credible source but no actual

physical evidence to back any of it up right which is a very difficult situation to be in and while we're talking about unbelievable aspects of bob's story um i haven't dived too deeply into what i'm sure is a treasure trove of people trying to debunk him what i do remember from listening to interviews of his is that people attacked him for not being specific enough about certain things you know let's say on joe rogan uh he would ask him about some certain detail and Bob would claim to be getting a headache and then couldn't remember. Oh, see, now those are red flags that should have been addressed in the episode. And that's what I'm worrying. If I just dig a little deeper, I'll uncover a bunch of shit that would kind of sour the evidence.

All in all, and I do think it's time we come down to a conclusion. All in all, and I do think it's time we come down to a conclusion. I feel that Bob's story is a realistic one. Even if you don't want to say that he actually set his hands on materials from another side of the galaxy and that's what he was working on and everything that he said was true. I feel that there are men like this. We know there are research bases for experimental crafts. We know there are bases working on probably trying to recreate these kinds of supposed alien technologies or at least trying to keep up with what other countries are doing next. Yeah.

There are going to be men who went to these universities, headhunted and contracted to work on these projects. They are going to be fed certain bits of information, certain bits of disinformation. And after the fact, they are going to have people try and discredit them for whatever they're trying to say. A lot of this feels true to me. And that's why today on the episode

all about Bob Lazar, I'm going to give it a yes. Whoa! Oh my goodness. First yes of the new year. Hey. So burn me. Don't ask for it, because it will happen.

If someone wants to burn my music technology degree from Queen's University Belfast, so be it. Honestly, so be it. Honestly, so be it. You might as well, because I feel like it burned me for the last 10 years of my life. Yeah, that's the ironic thing. If I got burned, I'd be like, thank you. I'm free from the debt. Look, I 100% agree with you. You know, Bob's story is obviously a wild one. And I think there maybe are some claims that he has exaggerated over the years. But it would be irresponsible to say that there's not likely a grain of truth to it. If it's not with Bob, it's with other individuals who have experienced something similar.

with Bob. It's with other individuals who have experienced something similar. As I said, I can only make this call based off of the research that I was presented with from episode one and today in episode two. And I think following your lead as investigator for this case, I'm going to give it it a yes to brother let's go double yes wow wow i can't believe it better flame proof your house buddy because they're coming for us uh wow what a momentous occasion it's been uh if you're tuning in for the first time this doesn't happen often It doesn't. So long-time listeners will know that we don't get yeses too often. So, hey, what a cool story to tune in for and catch a yes as it's happening. Thank you to Amy Grisdale for researching this one,

to Cammie Toman for editing it. Really enjoyed reading more about the life and times of Bob Lazar. People have said before we definitely have a bias towards ufo cases maybe it's the sci-fi lovers in us it's just believable isn't it yeah it's true i do feel quite guilty when we'll do you know 10 ghost stories 10 cryptid stories all knows and then a single ufo where there was zero evidence a blurry picture and we're like might as well wrap it up within 10 minutes yeah that's two yeses of course it's real maybe that should be our new year's resolution is to find

some truly non-ufo based paranormal yeses that's true they're hard to do with cryptids because cryptid stories usually are uh a mongoose with rabies that's what the beast was they're hard to do because often the beast is examined by a vet and they say it's a dog they're like that's not the Loch Ness monster that is some driftwood but I believe in us I think it can be done it has been done and we will succeed yes I think we've had a couple that got close. Maybe some of the spookier ones like the maybe the shadow people, the tall hat man. I feel like that might have been a yes or close to a yes. We've had a few that have gotten there.

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