This Paranormal Life - #307 The Backrooms - The Most Disturbing Place on the Internet

Episode Date: March 21, 2023

What makes Chuck E. Cheese so disturbing? Is it the food? the fact that it's mascot is a rat? Or is it that in the most derelict and cursed locations of this family dining establishment there may exist a portal to a paranormal realm known as The Backrooms. The Backrooms started as a thread on 4Chan but it has come to mean so much more - on this week's episode Kit and Rory dive deep into the lore, and the physical evidence, to determine what exactly is going on inside this terrifying liminal space. Will they make it out alive?Follow us on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTubeJoin our Secret Society Facebook CommunitySupport us on Patreon.com/ThisParanormalLife to get access to weekly bonus episodes!Buy Official TPL Merch! - thisparanormallife.com/storeIntro music by www.purple-planet.comResearch by Amy GrisdaleEdited by Louis Blatherwick Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Is my attic haunted? How come birds can find their way home without Google Maps but I can't? Answers to these questions and more on this episode of This Paranormal Life! Hello! And welcome back to This Paranormal Life. This is the weekly comedy podcast where every Tuesday, me, Kit Greer-Molvena, Rory Pars, who's sitting across from me, we dive into a different paranormal case and get to the bottom of whether it's truly paranormal or not by the end of the episode. How are you doing today, Rory? I'm doing pretty good, Kit. I woke up this morning excited to dive into a new paranormal case. I was in a good mood. The sun was shining. I was ready to investigate

some ghosts. I went to go get some milk out of my fridge for my cereal. And I realized that the milk in the back of my fridge had expired by about two weeks. And I was like, hey, I'm not going to let that phase me. I'm still in a good mood. I'll pivot. I'll go get a croissant or something. But I need to get rid of the milk. So I grabbed the milk, went over to pour it down the sink.

The carton slipped from my fingers, hit the bottom of the sink and the milk exploded out of the lid like a yogurt cannon, showering me. Right, not at all like milk. Not like milk. Thick like yogurt. Yeah, sure. It was like some sort of cottage cheese cannon. Oh no. It was bad.

I didn't want to ask what the stains were on your, what looks like a brand new jacket. What looks like a brand new jacket. It was new. It was new. Hence the good mood. Lightly used. And I tried to return it this morning.

I said, yeah, it's just, it's a little small for me. Can I get a refund? And they said, sir, you reek of cheese. You're dripping in cheese. Dripping. I think it's affecting you as well, because when I walked in, you started crying. I just don't understand why you didn't shower or change. We were rushed. You knew we had to record this podcast today. I just had to rush out the door in whatever I had on me. And yes, it just had to be in. It's quarter past five. It's

5 p.m. It's been so many hours. What time did you get up? It's been so many hours since you tried to have cereal. I'm wearing it out of principle now because I'm not going to let it ruin my mood. Right. Well, you paid for it now, so you've got to get the use out of it. Exactly. Can I ask what was the cereal of choice for a paranormal investigator? The cereal of choice for a paranormal investigator is, of course, Lucky Charms. Just so I can remind myself what leprechauns look like on the daily,

just in case I come across one. And also because my ass is so cursed, that's the closest to luck I will ever experience is eating a Lucky Charm. When you're eating shit sandwiches for lunch and dinner, you're going to want a few Lucky Charms for breakfast. I really feel like that has happened to me, by the way, too. I don't know why, like...

The milk bomb? Getting rid of rotten milk. When it's normal milk or any other goddamn liquid straight down the sink no problem but when the milk is only a day old it becomes a full-blown bukkake session oh my god it is flying in every direction in every hole in every corner in every crack and yeah i smell all right and i know they can't see it or hear it on the podcast but it's bad

it's like a bukkake scene in that it is legal somehow only in Japan not a sentence I thought we would be leading today's

investigation with but somewhere we've ended up nonetheless Rory I'm so sorry to hear that you've had such bad luck but I'm glad to say

we're going to be taking you and our listeners on a paranormal adventure today, talking about a hard-hitting paranormal case. Wow, I'm so excited. Hopefully some sort of haunted shower or axe body spray. That would really be a case that I could do with right now. To be fair, I think we've all experienced a few haunted showers in our time. with right now.

To be fair, I think we've all experienced a few haunted showers in our time. One that oscillates vastly between scorching hot and ice cold every 15 seconds. Yeah.

On my recent trip to Blackpool for the world's largest magic convention, I'm just throwing that in there real quick, I stayed at a little place that I will not name

where when being given a tour of my room, they said, if you have to have a shower if you insist you you little city boy if you insist on having a shower you have to run the tap at the same time turn this dial pull this bit don't touch that one or it all goes down uh then your shower will work unless anyone else in the building is showering at the same time.

Right. Which is quite likely given it's a hotel and people generally shower in the morning. Which I did try to do. And it was like a baby dribbling hot mouth water over my shoulders at 9am. It wasn't a great experience. Yeah. So haunted showers, it's a real thing that we have to live with. Hey, we're no strangers to a Glasgow shire.

Here on This Paranormal Life, we're getting sidetracked. It is time to get into today's paranormal investigation right after a couple of words from today's sponsors. Rory, our story today begins on Sunday, the 12th of May, 2019. Whoa, that's recent. I wish I could tell you the name of our protagonist, but their identity has been redacted. Oh, you know it's going to be a good story then. Not because the MIBs got to them, or because Kit didn't spend enough time researching the case, no one's saying that,

but because this case starts on 4chan. Rory, do you know much about 4chan? I don't actually. My internet knowledge, while vast, does have its limitations. I can go as far as Reddit, but no further. Yeah, which is probably for the best. Just like in your regular life, your knowledge of the world goes quite far, but it doesn't normally extend to criminal undergrounds, dark seedy underbellies of cities. For the uninitiated, 4chan is one of the world's biggest internet forums and image boards used by more than 20 million people daily discussing Wow. Discussing politics, anime, pop culture, and more. Okay.

It is also one of the most openly depraved, problematic, racist, shithole websites around with countless, countless, countless controversies over the years. But to be fair, that is kind of the whole internet at this point. That's true, yeah. You could be describing Facebook right now. Unfortunately for us, kind of globally, weirdos are also really into the paranormal.

So it's true. 4chan's paranormal page slash x slash is an incredibly active paranormal community. I'm into this. It is one of those things. It's like, as you say, maybe we were a little old for 4chan. It has been out for a while,

but I think you had to be so deeply online of a person to hang out there that I don't think we ever did much. But there is something vaguely cool about its kind of anonymous hacker-style interface. Yeah, very Matrix-y, isn't it? This online community using message boards to communicate. I'm into it. And on this paranormal page at 2.37 p.m. local time,

one user posted a photo with the caption, quote, post disquieting images that just feel off. The image, Rory, was this one. Ooh, okay. So, you know, maybe not the most upfront creepy picture we've ever investigated on this podcast. This basically looks like the interior of some kind of building where it's completely empty. No furnishings, blank walls, plain carpet. There's kind of fluorescent, almost office-like lights up above and a very boring kind of repetitive beigey yellow wallpaper all across. But it is very empty, very ominous, a little creepy looking, but not overly terrifying or scary in any way. Yeah. I think they summed it up,

didn't they? It feels, I would say it feels off without getting into too much analysis early on. There is something about the way like the camera's tilted, the way we can see around two or three corners that kind of almost leads your eye to be like, what is in there? It almost looks like we're peeking around a corner. Yeah, I know what you mean. But I agree. Posted to a paranormal page with the caption we just heard, there is very, very little to go on here. Not very remarkable. But the thread started popping off. People immediately recognizing just how cursed this image was, but in a way that's quite hard to put your finger on, and they started sharing tons of their own images too. Empty, unsettling rooms, abandoned places,

and dim scenescapes illuminated only by sterile fluorescent lights. Nightmarish scenes began to creep in. Horrible depictions of cemeteries, hooded figures, and houses set on fire. Oh, that's a bit of a right angle, isn't it? Within hours, people were truly off the rails. Everyone had tapped into the f***ed up feeling of being in one of these kind of strange off spaces. Yeah, but some of those spaces sounds like they're a little more weird than the other ones. You can't kind of be like, yeah, dude, this creeps me out so much.

The empty offices, you know, these blank spaces where no one's been before. Here's a picture of a man burning a baby on a fire. And it's like, that's just f***ed up. What is that one? Where did that come from? Welcome to 4chan, baby. We got flaming babies everywhere. We got flaming babies everywhere.

Only eight hours into this thread, at 22.07, our anonymous friend posted a reply to their original image. If you're not careful and you noclip out of reality in the wrong areas, you'll end up in the back rooms, where it's nothing but the stink of old moist carpet, the madness of mono-yellow, the endless background noise of fluorescent lights at maximum hum-buzz, and approximately 600 million square miles of randomly segmented empty rooms to be trapped in.

Wow. God save you if you hear something wandering around nearby, because it sure as hell has heard you. Damn, that's pretty cool. This comment changed the game. No one was able to put their finger on why these images were so cursed. Why, whenever we walk into certain spaces, does it feel so wrong? How can an empty room feel disturbing?

Maybe you feel that way because you're really in a liminal space. You've kind of briefly left your own world and ended up somewhere else. Right. So it's like when I go back to like my childhood bedroom and it's like it just, you know, there was no love there. There was never any love there. You know, the whole house is empty right does it have like creepy lighting or like is it kind of normal house totally normal house parents gone because i have for most of my childhood i associate it with being like really

actually like comfy and really nicely decorated my house yeah my house no cold is that emotionally or physically gone on vacation without me? They said it was a mistake. They said they definitely left me a voicemail, but nothing on my phone. That sort of spooky vibe, is that what you're talking about? Yeah.

So I don't want to get into it, but they left you a voicemail. They claim to. Sorry, I'm getting fired up now. They claim to. That is worse. So they claim to leave you a voicemail. They didn't even get through saying that we're going on now. They claim to... That is worse. So they claim to leave you a voicemail. They didn't even get through

saying that we're going on holiday. They said that they said that they were going on holiday, meet us at the airport, but they didn't even say what airport. So why would I, even if I got the voicemail, how would I know which airport it was?

Yeah, so you're saying like they might've like kind of, is that f***ed up to say like intentionally left out enough information so you couldn't possibly have found them? Right. That even if I had got a voicemail, I wouldn't have been up to say, like intentionally left out enough information so you couldn't possibly find them. Right. That even if I had got a voicemail, I wouldn't have been able to go skiing with them in France. And they were gone for like six months as well. It was a big vacation. Yeah.

So, yeah, just that's kind of, you know, I have my own creepy back rooms. It's called my home. Now that you mention it, I did see a story from your sister on Instagram of them being on the plane, being like, the caption was like, whole family getaway. Right. Missing Rory though, right? Paradise emoji. Did they tag me?

The row looked full on the plane. It didn't look like there was an empty seat either. So like, because it was like your sister, her kids, your, you know, your mom, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah. It's just, that's weird. Because like. Actually, that sucks to hear. It just sounds like they might not have even.

Yeah. I don't know if they had another ticket or seat. You know what I mean? In my back rooms, there is no creature nearby. I wish there was a sound of something around the corner, but it's just me, just me hanging out. So you said, where are they now? Do you know?

Because they've kind of blocked me on a lot of accounts. Do you know where they are now? In the Three Valleys. Three Valleys. Skiing again. All right. That's cool. That's cool.

Yeah. Yeah. All right. That's fine. We can do our own thing. You and me, we can go on vacations or something

and then we'll send them voicemails and if they answer, that's cool. They can come as well because I actually kind of miss them. Haven't seen those guys

in a while. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I'm glad that I just need to get off that topic so I'm glad that you understand kind of sounds like you get the concept of the back rooms because like

we won't dwell on the fact that you're pretty f***ed up that your bedroom is your back rooms but like we'll move away from that one you know is there maybe have you ever been in kind of a different maybe somewhere it's not your house ever seen somewhere like that like um you know sometimes like an airport you know you say that but there there are a few places maybe not airports

but there's a few hotels i've been in before that definitely give off that strange uncanny vibe yeah where it's just rows of identical rooms and carpet that goes on seemingly into the horizon. Or you look out a window into a courtyard that's just surrounded by hotel walls. It's all very artificial and just, yeah, something quite uncanny about it. Yeah, I feel like Rory in his IGN days

was no stranger to hotel rooms and conference centers. In the middle of nowhere, which is trippy because maybe it's a place where you don't even speak the language. You're doing a bit of work, but then you're out there by yourself. Yeah, very, very strange and isolating and a bit creepy at times. It's probably worth saying, actually, because I mentioned this idea of a liminal space. Now, these two ideas of the back rooms and liminal spaces, they get kind of thrown around and combined online

because they're super similar. I had to just clarify myself what a liminal space literally means. Because, of course, liminal, it literally means like in between, I guess, two worlds. Yeah. Literally a transition space.

So I didn't realize that's literally what it means is like a hotel room is literally a liminal space. So I didn't realize that's literally what it means is like a hotel room is literally a liminal space. It's somewhere you go transitioning from one destination to another. So hotels, airports, hallways, stairwells. These are literally in between spaces. Yeah.

Cause I've seen people be like, check out this liminal space. It's an abandoned fucking Chucking Chuck E. Cheese. That's not really what that means. You're just talking about a creepy building that kind of has weird connotations. It's not a liminal space. And I guess it could be, but maybe if it was a Chuck E. Cheese in like a...

A Dallas... A truck stop or something. Right, yeah. You know, like a creepy side of the road. Chuck E. Cheese. Keep an eye on some of the adults going into that one. That's the road weird place for a Chuck E. Cheese keep an eye on some of the the adults going into that one that's weird I went to a Chuck E. Cheese

at Christmas for the first time in maybe 20 years yeah I saw you spent Christmas day there that was pretty sad too yeah

they serve beer they serve beer at Chuck E. Cheese I don't know if you knew that or not and there's no limit as well you can start at like 10am was there anybody else there

there were kids they just weren't mine so that's fine right yeah you weren't talking to them were you no I was just like

just just chatting see if they like so you weren't talking a little bit just cause there's no one else there so I was like uh

do you kids want a beer or something I got so so f***ed up on Christmas day offering children beer? I got to drink with someone or else it would be sad. I only didn't get arrested because I was dressed as Santa Claus and they thought I was giving out presents.

I know you want a slinky Timmy, but I think you're actually going to love this Bud Light. There was actually just one other thing I wanted to explain to our listeners, if they didn't understand. Our original poster mentioned no clipping. Can you explain that one to our non-gamer listeners? Yeah, that kind of threw me as well.

I think no clipping in the context of video games is when you kind of glitch your way outside of the map, glitch your way outside of the path you're supposed to be on so in this context i guess they're saying be careful you don't do that in reality and slip into the liminal world yeah between worlds because i guess if you're playing a fortnight it can on occasion happen that when you were supposed to if you run into a wall and the game is supposed to recognize the wall and make you bump into it, you can sometimes just run right through it

and fall into a nether world. Right, it's a glitch. It's a glitch. Basically a real world glitch. So what they're saying is maybe it's possible that you can fall into the back rooms through a glitch in the physics of our real world.

That's genuinely terrifying. So Rory, have you heard of the backrooms before? I've heard of it before as kind of an online creepypasta, but I do not know a lot about it, especially the history and the lore or the explanations behind it. But I'm kind of familiar with the imagery of it. It's kind of already, our listeners might be sensing, one of the kind of stranger and more conceptual paranormal cases we've investigated in recent memory, but that doesn't mean we haven't got good old-fashioned witness testimony and physical evidence to show you, Rory.

From people who have glitched out of the world into the back rooms. It wasn't long after the original thread begun that a brave paranormal whistleblower came forward to tell their experience of the backrooms. Claykid12345 wrote, It was approximately 12.15 when I entered the Johnson County Community Health Clinic. I was there for an appointment I had set up weeks ago, just a routine checkup. It wasn't a new place for me. I'd been there a couple of times before.

Hello? As I walked in, an overwhelming feeling of déjà vu swept over me. The hum of the flickering fluorescent lights, the white tile flooring, and the beige paint that colored the walls. I passed the empty waiting area and approached the woman at the front desk. She was sitting in her gray office chair, looking at a spreadsheet on the same Windows XP desktop they've had since 2008. I feel like this guy's getting a little bogged down in the details a little bit here. I think, is there something about the back rooms or something?

I noticed several birds flying by the window. One swallow, two pigeons. Peculiar, I thought. Wasn't this the migration season? A pigeon should be 2,000 miles north here. Rory, this is the type of detail that we would normally kill for, kill for, in a witness testimony on a normal episode of this paranormal life. Turns out when your investigation is about an empty room,

this is the most tantalizing evidence we can bring to the table. Normally we've got a guy with three teeth called Buck who had three words to say about a star destroyer he saw in the night sky. You never know what you're going to get on this paranormal life. Sometimes it's a case where we have a story like this, where the guy's saying the paint on the walls was not quite yellow, but not quite pure white. And then other times you have a case where within five minutes we're going, so the craft was approximately 20 feet in length.

People were skinned alive by the alien beast. You never know which one you're going to get. The paranormal takes all sorts of forms. It does. Even boring ones. All right, motherfucker. You listen to me, you piece of shit. You're going to be sorry when you see where this goes in a couple of seconds.

You're going to be saying sorry to old Gary Johnson over here. I was about halfway done with filling in my information when I slumped back in my chair. I hadn't gotten much sleep the night prior and I was exhausted. As I slumped back, I noticed something very peculiar. My head never hit the wall. In fact, it felt like it went right through it. I got up quite frightened and looked at the wall. It didn't make sense. Why didn't I feel anything? So I reached to touch it,

and my fingers went through it. All right. I recoiled in shock. What the hell was that? What kind of hospital is this guy in? Should we... I think he's in the wrong one? Maybe. The restraints on my jacket were loosened

and I was able to tumble through. I reached to touch the wall again, only to find my fingers went through it once more. Then suddenly I lost my balance, tripped and fell directly through the wall. I fell face first onto some dirty tan carpeting. Upon getting up, I realized that I was in a completely different room. Or should I say, a set of rooms. The walls were covered in a tan patterned wallpaper. I turned around and tried to put my hands back through the wall, but they wouldn't go through. Jesus. I looked back. There were no windows, no doors, nothing on the walls.

It was completely empty, aside from a singular plastic chair. At this point, the only thing going through my mind was fear, and the repeating thought of, I need to leave. I started running through the rooms, desperately trying to find an exit, but there was no exit. Was this my permanent location until I died? No, there had to be a way out. Then, in the distance, I heard footsteps. But not those of a human's, at least not of a normal human. Alongside the footsteps was a gurgling snarl. I began to run as fast as I could from whatever the hell was approaching me.

I ran for what seemed like forever, but I was always back in the same room I started in. I sat down, defeated, the feeling of dread filling my body, and I started to cry. I was going to die here. By the way, I'm still there. I haven't left. I've accepted my fate. In fact, I can hear footsteps again. Who is it?

Gotta go. He's coming back. By the way, the beast's name is Michael. Pretty cool guy. We've been playing checkers in the evening. Tell mother I say hello from the back rooms.

F***, bro. This is crazy. Wow. Some pretty crazy clips. I hope he got out. This was probably post, well, this was 2019. It was posted a few years ago. I don't know if he ever made it out, but, um. That dude's dead. I mean, that dude's straight up dead. If you're, this is the bit in the horror movie where they find the notebook where the last line is, I can hear footsteps, dot, dot, dot. And then there's just like a line, a tear on the page. Yeah. Bit of blood splattered on there. Splattered on the page.

And we're like, hmm, the diary entries ended suddenly. I hope he's still alive. I'm sure he's just fine. This guy crashed his car on the way to the hospital and died. That's straight up what happened. And I think he went to hell. I mean, he's on 4chan. I don't know what's on his internet history,

but that dude's in hell by the sounds of it. Right, right. Yes. We do have a few context clues about the type of person he might be. Right. And it's not looking good for him. I think that's an interesting point you make.

It's giving purgatory. It's giving hell. Yeah, purgatory. Yeah. Serving purgatory, for sure. I gotta say, this is kind of an outlandish claim to make go on but i'm kind of digging this idea that life just has these corners or moments or little windows where you can actually glitch out of the machine and into like the developer build where

they've just been doing a bunch of weird shit in the background. And he's kind of done that where he's like, he went into a level that was never brought into the game and met a monster that was never turned into an animal. Cause there's a world where like, I don't know, mooses don't exist. Mice don't exist. And you glitch into a part where it's like, yeah, here was the moose. We were going to put him into Earth, but we didn't actually. So he's just in the back rooms wandering about. And you would freak the f*** out if you saw that thing.

Right. This is like, you know, I'll see on Twitter, I'll follow like a Nintendo fan account or something, and they'll go, hi, did you know in an early beta version of Zelda Ocarina of Time,

Link had a skateboard? Right! And if you just run in and out of the waterfall in the game 16 times, you get the skateboard. So true. You're saying this might be possible, or it's at least cool to talk about if that was possible in real life. I think that's what's fascinating about the backrooms is that it touches on so many different ideas that are all a little bit interlinked.

So it's like, if you look at the back rooms through the lens of like i don't know ancient beliefs you might be like yes if you reach a certain mind state as told about in the tibetan buddhist rituals yeah you can reach the fifth bardo where different entities reside Or in our modern scientific parlance, you might say, what if, like in the matrix, life is a simulation? There are literally mathematicians out there who have crunched the numbers and are like,

you know, there's a pretty good statistical chance that we are living in a simulation. So maybe it's not entirely crazy that we could noclip out of it. Yeah, you're like, in some of the hieroglyphics of ancient Egypt, one of the pharaohs has a sports car. I don't know if that's a glitch or like if he-

Which we are laughing, but we've seen attack helicopters. We've seen Apache attack helicopters in hieroglyphics. I think we said that was a double no. I don't know. I think we did on the record. But one case that does come to mind is the case of staircases appearing in the woods extremely similar which kind of had a very familiar vibe of like is this just a glitch in the world in reality that these objects that shouldn't exist are kind of like jolting into these random places and then there's bizarre

consequences because the code can't handle when someone goes up the stairs in the woods. Exactly. Now, this thread and this account started a ton of speculation and discussion online of people trying to desperately work out how and why this is happening. What's in the back rooms? Why do you end up there? How do you get out? It sounds like you can't. I'll be honest with you. Well, we know they've got 4chan in there, but you might not be able to get out. Is it a physical space?

Is it a psychological space? Is it like the Matrix? And it does have a Matrix feel to it, doesn't it? It feels like to get out, you've got to find a payphone, like in the movies. Yeah, yeah. Or the hard line or whatever. Isn't it in the second Matrix movie where he gets stuck in the train station and he runs down the tunnel and just

appears at the other end of the tunnel? Yeah. And it's like, yeah. You open a window, it's bricked up, you know, all that crazy stuff. Yeah, very strange. Well, these amateur paranormal researchers were able to work out a few different things by piecing together other people's stories, and they believe there are different levels within the back rooms. The first is the endless carpet and retro wallpaper. Level two and three are more, quote, industrial and dangerous. And if you find yourself in one of those upper tiers, there's definitely no coming back, brother. Level four, it actually was a Chuck E. Cheese. It was an alt-abandoned Chuck E. Cheese. It was an old abandoned Chuck E. Cheese. It was pretty creepy. The creature is Chuck.

It's Charles E. Cheese. Rory became so sad at Christmas after being abandoned by his family that he no-clipped out of this existence into the back room's Chuck E. Cheese. But he was such a f***ing buzzkill, they no-clipped him back into our world. Yeah, the f***ed up thing is, the other kids that were in that Chuck E. Cheese, I was the monster to them. It turned out. We could hear footsteps

on the opening of a Corona. The footsteps of something way too sad to be human. I mean, it looked kind of like a cool young person, but he was on his own on Christmas Day, so something did not add up. Now, most think that the three levels is about enough,

but some suggest the number of layers is in the thousands. Some even say it's infinite. How many layers does hell have again? Is it like 13? Oh, yeah. I don't remember. It's not infinite, though. I do remember that. No, no Is it like 13? Oh yeah. Or 10? I don't remember. It's not infinite though. I do remember that.

No, no. It's a reasonably small number comparatively. But I forget which depiction of hell originally had these kind of like levels where it was kind of similar to this, but maybe a bit worse where it's like, hey, you know, level one is burning. Level two is spears.

Level three is, I don't know. Happy slapping, whatever. Your loved ones kick you in the nuts. Who knows? Sure. But I think it gets worse progressively. And that might be what we're seeing with the back rooms. It seems like things are trending in a bad kind of direction.

Oh, it's Dante's nine Circles of Hell. Nine. Yes. So, okay. It's actually a little bit more ambiguous here. It goes from limbo, lust, gluttony, greed, anger, heresy. It's all just that. It's more like based on your sins, I guess that's where you go. Maximum security, which is diddling, presumably. You know. Right, yeah. Right up to petty theft, which is kind of minimum security. Hell. Yeah, it's true.

So maybe the back rooms are something similar. I mean, if you are a bad person and you clip out of reality, you're going straight to the f***ing diddler dimension. This is Rory's circles of hell. You think that's a funny name uh researcher amy even found a list online of the entities that can apparently be found in some of these upper tiers of the back rooms we're talking sentient animatronics that's the chucky cheese it is the chucky cheese they even make the connection holy shit It's either that or the It's a Small World After All ride. Equally creepy.

We have party goers, party poopers, doll faces, and lastly, skin stealers. Oh my god. Now, I will concede, you might be getting the picture that a lot of this has become a bit tangled up in myth as people love discussing it and picking it apart online, which is why we need even more evidence to get to the bottom of this. Rory, what if I told you I have video evidence of the backrooms? What? How did people get it out? I guess someone wrote from the backrooms, so video is not impossible. We are going to check that out right after some quick words from today's sponsors. Okay, we are back and we are talking about the back rooms.

And we are about to dive in to some physical first-hand evidence. Video evidence. Love this. So Rory, this is actually on YouTube. As you can see, the title of the video is just The Backroom's Brackets Found Footage. Sound. Camera.

Rolling. All right. And action. Okay, this is really strange. It looks like people shooting a short movie. It's quite old. It's like VHS style almost. Yeah.

Looks almost like a school project. Whoa! Whoa! Somebody just fell through the ground. Through the earth. And into the back rooms. Yeah, we are in the back rooms. Now, it did just say this is a short film. Well...

As a credit, so... While this may not be factual factual this could be a visual representation of an experience so we are definitely we're balls deep in the back rooms right now this is yellow walls for as far as the eyes can see

there's the humming is unbelievable it's completely silent completely empty just caught a glimpse of something there behind a wall don't like this at all Yeah. It's completely silent, completely empty. Hello? Uh, ooh! Just caught a glimpse of something there, behind a wall. So shit! Don't like this at all. Don't like this at all.

Uh, it's kind of amazing how something so blank and plain can be genuinely this terrifying. You're getting a real feel for how creepy the backgrounds are. Yeah. I think the VHS aesthetic really fits into it as well. It does, actually. You're right. Oh, this is the first time we're seeing something different

in the back rooms, which is arrow... Arrows painted on the wall. As if someone's already been through here once before and is leading instructions to get to somewhere else. All right, things are ramping up real quick now.

On the wall it said, don't move, stay still. Jesus Christ! Okay, there is something chasing him. That sound is horrible, too. Yeah, it's so distorted and nasty. It seems like he's running back in the direction he came, but honestly it's hard to tell because everything kind of looks the same. Oh, this is new. Can you imagine if this actually happened to you?

You're like, what the f*** is going on? I was just on Earth a second ago, and now everything I know about the world and the universe is turned upside down. It's really nightmare vibes. Oh, 100%, yeah. The rules of physical reality are pretty much out the window, and the most unlikely and terrible things are happening. Yeah.

And even things don't make sense. The design of things don't make sense. Kind of like dreams, you know? And after walking through an insane amount of different locations there now, through a stairwell, I'm exactly back where they begun. Yeah, it seemed like we were making progress for a while there, but now we are back. Yellow walls, fluorescent lights,

and I'm pretty sure we're going to start to hear a distorted honking at any second. Yeah, the digital goose is coming. There's the digital goose. We're getting a bit more of a picture of it. It looks like a kind of f***ed up Demogorgon type thing. Yeah. A bit more Stickman-like. Full monster.

Slenderman style Demogorgon. Oh! Whoa, okay, he clipped out! He clipped out! He's at 30,000 feet, falling fast! Okay, he somehow clipped out of the back rooms, and then now he seems to have fallen out of the sky back to Earth. Probably dead.

Yeah, 100% dead. Hey, fair play that is better than some actual hollywood produced horror movies that i've seen recently uh yeah that escalated a lot from our beginnings um there is a lot to pick apart actually from that video um full disclosure to our listeners that was actually a full 10 minute video that we just watched. We cut it down so you could hear our reaction to it, but I've put a link in the description of the podcast if you want to see it for yourself. What are your thoughts, Rory, kind of illustrating the back rooms there? I like it. You know, while it may not be physical evidence, I would say it is,

be physical evidence. Whoa, I wouldn't... I would say it is, you know, like when people draw a picture of a UFO they saw, it is an artist's interpretation

of the thing itself. They pointed a camera at the back rooms and they got it on video. Yeah, I think it was... I guess the video, the camera is interpreting it. Literally.

I think it's mostly CGI. I think it's computer generated images. I don't think so. And it's turned into make it look like VHS filters. It's at a short film. It's at a short film at the start. Well it is

because anything longer than five minutes is technically a film. A short one. Even if it's a documentary. I think it's cool. It's hard to get people afraid of the back rooms when you're just describing it in its plainest terms right but uh that video does a good job of showing you just how terrifying a

location like this would actually be uh okay agree to disagree on the veracity of the video itself um i think we have receipts and proof that that is real and i just want the listeners to know that it is uh rory's entitled to his own bad opinions for sure he didn't send me any receipts or show me any receipts i have them i do have them where are they um so seeing everyone on 4chan and reddit okay moving on are we yeah pretty quick just don't see everyone what just don't say that it's real and say that you can prove that it's real and then when i ask you to prove that it's real just move on i don't need't need to. If I show you an apple, do I need receipts that it's an apple? We just watched a video of the back rooms.

How many times do you need to hear that it's a video of the back rooms? Do you know what I'm saying? It's like, it's so like, if a mackerel slaps you in the face, are you going to be like, huh, pretty interesting third-hand claims, but we'll have to know it's a mackerel. It's a mackerel hit you in the face. These are all such weird examples

of hypothetical situations. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. If a chicken nugget flew into your mouth, would you say, oh, I wonder what that is?

No, you're going to go, delicious. That's what you're going to say. Look, I'm sorry. I'm hungry. I'm getting a bit hangry, but I don't mean to come at you. You're just doing your job

as a paranormal investigator. I gotta be, you know? Speaking truth to power. Exactly. Well, Rory, seeing everyone on 4chan and Reddit and other places on the internet sharing various images of the back rooms

got me thinking. It's great that people are trying to get to the bottom of all this, but the problem is the waters are getting quite muddy. Let's great that people are trying to get to the bottom of all this, but the problem is the waters are getting quite muddy. Let's face it, not all of the pictures that people are posting are actually the back rooms. So to save people the confusion and to educate them more about the back rooms, I thought we could put Rory's paranormal investigation skills to the test and play a game of back room or whack room. Nice. I'll show you a photo and

you'll tell me whether it's a real back room or just a whack room. Okay. Okay. Ready to go? I'm ready, baby. I think I'm going to be pretty good at this, even though I just found out what these things were like 20 minutes ago. Image number one. Ooh, that is is this is a creepy hallway with uh chipped paint uh horrible luminescent lights but i don't know if i see similarities between the back rooms so i'm just gonna say that's just a whack room you are right rory this is um ding whilst it shares many similarities the fluorescent lighting and so on and so forth, it does not have some of the hallmarks, including the gross yellow wallpaper, etc. Or a digital honking goose.

All right. We're one for one so far. Let's show Rory room number two. Okay. This is a creepy looking area. Very similar to the back rooms. We've got the fluorescent bulbs, the office style roofing. And then in the background at the end of the room is just a McDonald's.

It's just a McDonald's inside of a building. I would say this is one of the trickier of the bunch. Because, sure, it is a McDonald's. It's definitely a McDonald's. But everything in front of the McDonald's is a thousand percent backroom. I would say backroom. I think that's straight up backroom. Ding, ding, ding. It is my belief also as a paranormal investigator that this is indeed a backroom.

There's too many hallmarks for it not to be a backroom. And also, I have to say, this is giving me quite like nostalgic vibes because that's an OG McDonald's. I'm telling you, there is something to the nostalgia in the backrooms. It's just part of it. Like the old McDonald's,

these old locations. People always say like empty old shopping malls from like the 80s abandoned shopping malls feel very like liminal and back roomsy i think there is some nostalgia built into it old chucky cheeses you know and and probably that was maybe like i know people still make depressing buildings today but that was probably a little bit part of the design and architecture of the time was like we we thought, I guess, fluorescent lighting was the future and we didn't need windows. We didn't need plants anywhere.

We could just make cheap buildings and just build them very quickly. And they look scary. Yeah. Super scary. Man, I need to look up pictures of 90s McDonald's. That's really tickling my brain to see an old one. Did you see the story that went viral last year where people like knocked down a wall in an old shopping mall and found, what was it, a Burger King from the 80s? A vintage Burger King. It was like Tutankhamun's tomb. It was completely undisturbed since the 80s. It hadn't been, not all the fries and burgers were there, like the toys and everything, like all that back furniture. It's crazy. They just bricked it up.

Yeah. So insane. So insane. Like an ancient Pharaoh's tomb. They just sealed it off and thought maybe in a hundred years someone would come and discover it. That would have been amazing to come across. Have you seen the Twitter account?

I think it's, is it non-standard McDonald's or non-traditional McDonald's? Great account. Great Twitter account. If anyone's also a fan of looking up old photos of McDonald's, we're talking like McDonald's in very strange buildings and circumstances around the world. Okay. We're doing great so far. Let's move on to room number three. great so far let's move on to room number three oh this is not the back rooms because i know exactly what this is we are talking about a huge hall here basically in some sort of convention center and in the middle of it is a very small ball pit um i don't remember what convention this was for was this for like uh tumblr con or something yeah we might have to look it up where they tried to plan a convention that went terribly bad a bunch of people got scammed out of money one of the things they boasted was an enormous ball pit and when they uh when people showed up there was a tiny ball pit in the middle of a very empty room

yeah i think someone pissed in at one point that That's right. That's right. I think it like they got cancelled. The whole thing turned into a dumpster fire but I think it all started with this tweet. Someone tweeted this image. Iconic.

Iconic piece of internet history. Iconic. It has Backroom's vibes though. Yeah. All right. Rory's really flexing his paranormal investigator muscles just proving his worth.

But let's see if he can keep up his streak with image number four. Oh, this is a hard one. This is an empty bookstore is exactly what it is. Is it a bookstore? Is it a library, though? I guess it could be either. That's the same thing, mother f***er.

No, it's not. It is. You'd get books from the bookstore. You get books from the library. Sure. You'd get books from the library. Sure, but the government runs one, and you've got to pay for the others. The government runs bookstores? No. Do you know how crazy that sounds?

Focus on the image. Focus on the image. It's an empty bookstore with a sign on the top that says the end is near. Right, which is, I have to say, when I first saw this image, didn't clock that that much. Now that I'm seeing it again, that is insane and unhinged. Yeah, it looks like they've mashed together, they took apart an old sign and used it to spell the end is near.

Some of those letters don't line up perfectly. I think this is, this isn't back rooms. This has got to be real life. Ding, ding, ding. I believe this to be, I agreed, real life. Lots of the hallmarks, shitty carpeting,

fluorescent lighting, sure. But we seem to have real posters for real events and things happening, which unless the stick man Demogorgon is playing an open mic night or something some evening, I don't think those would exist in the back rooms. Very true. Good eye.

All right, what about the next one, Rory? All right, this is just a physical recreation of the Krusty Krab burger joint from the popular cartoon SpongeBob SquarePants. Rory works fast. I do. And the penultimate image, Rory? Is from The Simpsons.

That's got to be from The Simpsons. I'm pretty sure. I don't think so. It's a cartoon for a start. You can see. Is it? Because it's got the kind of office roofing. You can see there is fluorescent lighting here.

Kind of a grim. I'm worried you don't know what a cartoon is. That's hand drawn. That one's discounted. We're moving on. Our final image of Backroom or Whack Room. This is the set of Star Wars. No, it's not.

There's no way. It looks like Mos Eisley. Or Tatooine. They're all dusty. It's Tatooine. It is. It is. There's no way. It looks like Mos Eisley. Or Tatooine. They're all dusty. Now that you mention it, it's Tatooine. It is. It is. It's Tatooine.

Anakin's home planet. Hey, you did fantastically. Well done. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Well done.

Hey, you know, when you've been investigating the paranormal as long as I have, you get that sixth sense. Sometimes I'll just be in a store and it looks like a normal store. Let's say it's hypothetically a subway. And it's like, I can even tell if a sandwich is haunted. Not a store and it looks like a normal store let's say it's hypothetically a subway and it's like i can even tell if a sandwich is not a store it's a sandwich store you buy sandwiches there i can even tell the franchise family is haunted and if i have to confiscate it you know okay you get that sense and people will be like what are you talking about you have to pay for that um but i know i know deep down I have the jurisdiction to just take the sandwich.

Yeah. Because you get that f***ing, it's like spidey senses, you know, in your head. You're not allowed back to Subway though. Not anymore. I've stolen too many sandwiches at this point. Yeah. I couldn't agree more though. And that's why we've been campaigning as paranormal investigators to, you know, the way people who work for like the government's like food safety, food hygiene or whatever, they can go in and like in that episode of Friends, like Phoebe's

boyfriend, they can walk into a, maybe a Subway Sandwiches and they can flash the badge and go, I'm shutting this place down. Oh, health inspector. We are breaking 65 federal violations of food safety. Everyone get the f*** out. We're shutting this place down. We need to be able to do that as paranormal investigators. Right. Like go to graveyards and stuff and be like, this shit is not up to code.

There are souls leaking up from the ground. I'm shutting this graveyard down. Dig them all up. Walk into a Waterstones in Oxford Circus. I found a chupacabra shit in the toilet.

We're shutting this place down. We've got chupacabras everywhere. Or maybe we can go to like haunted houses and we have to make sure they're haunted enough. We're like, this is barely

registering on the paranormal scale. You guys are just a house. Right. We need to get, we need to ship in some ghosts. Yeah, exactly. If possible. Disrespect some ancient traditions.

Look, as we are reaching the end of our investigation today, I'm going to come clean about one thing. The video I showed you earlier was actually a short film. We know.

It's fine. No. We all knew. It's unbelievably not a found footage documentary. Rory, I think you're going to love this. As a childhood filmmaker yourself,

that was created by 16-year-old Cain Parsons from Northern California. Love it! Super high production value. Unbelievable. Yeah, that was genuinely incredible. If you're listening to this podcast, you should go watch that video. It was great.

He uploaded it last year. It's super recent. And it already has 45 million views on YouTube. It's blown up like crazy. And not only that, he's turned it into a whole video views on YouTube. It's blown up like crazy. And not only that, he's turned it into a whole video series on YouTube. He's got like, I think like maybe 12 or more videos titled The Backrooms and then like a different thing.

So he's like expanding it into a whole Backrooms kind of universe. Wow. Not only that, the whole thing's going to be expanded soon into an A24 feature-length horror movie. That's insane. You know, I was making my own movies when I was 16 with a camera, ironically,

probably quite like that, a mini DV tape camera. And it wasn't so much as like, you know, cool, artistic, short form horror. I was going to say. Well, they were kind of horror productions, you know, cool, artistic, short form horror. I was going to say. Well, they were kind of horror productions, you know. It was basically taking the camera to parties and filming you and me and all of our friends doing really dumb f***ed up shit. And I'm not saying I or you.

Which is a kind of movie. Was involved in this, but those were borderline pornographic as well. They were not. If they're movies, then Playboy magazine's a f***ing novel. You know what I'm saying? Some of the great features

that we shot were a group of six boys on one trampoline together and throwing a bag of loose knives on the trampoline and jumping around to see if anyone would get hit by one of the knives.

That's kind of just an idea of what one of the fun things to do. We poured lighter fluid on a skateboard, set it on fire, and tried to kickflip while ablaze. We really got the wrong end of the stick with Jackass. Yeah. Like, Jackass was kind of like, here's, like, us doing crazy stunts, but also focusing on, like, really there's, like, overarching themes of friendship

and kinship and um what it means to be like the modern man and so on ours were violent and dangerous but pretty dark yeah a lot of smoking weed as well that was a really real through line drug use research chemical consumption and we won't dwell on it we won't dwell on it um i wanted to tell it's just me running through the hallways of a house party with Kit behind me, high as hell, going... Digital honking. Trying to get me to pay for my share of the Domino's pizza we just ordered. $12.50 for the pepperoni.

I'm like, get away! Through Rory's cold, dark backroom bedroom. My loveless empty house. Now, I wanted to share that fact with you. One, to, I guess, tell the truth. But two, to show just how much the backrooms has captured the world's imagination. There's social media accounts with millions of followers sharing images, movies getting made as we just heard, countless videos and reaction videos on YouTube

breaking down the theories. It just goes to show what we've always said on TPL, that the internet coming along in history hasn't killed people's interest in the paranormal. It's only amplified it and magnified it bigger than ever. But people are just more interested in new things that blend myth and reality like the back rooms or Slenderman or Loab. They're more interested in that than just knowing about vampires, just knowing about Bigfoot. I forgot about Loab. That was a case that we covered on a bonus episode of This Paranormal Life, which was the world's first ever AI-created cryptid. Yeah. A great case.

You know, another paranormal story based around technology. And if you've enjoyed this episode in the back rooms, definitely check out that bonus episode because it's very creepy. Basically, an AI machine creating a monster

and then not being able to stop showing pictures of the monster. Even if you say, show me a picture of a bunny rabbit. The machine's like, I can't. All I see is Lobe now. This horrible woman who haunts my electric dreams. We actually need to, I think maybe on the after party, we'd have time to talk about it but we we need to revisit the lobe conversation because i don't know if you saw the stuff about uh microsoft bing's chatbot uh going rogue no there's quite a bit there oh my god and uh and the new york times ran the story on their front page and then the next day microsoft shut it down so i So a lot of fun stuff going on.

I think it was Microsoft or one of those companies that first tried to launch like an AI chatbot. Years ago, yeah. And I remember reading the news articles in the following days that was like, it took 16 minutes before it became racist. They're like, it turned mean so fast like humans f***ed it up this pure being so quickly that it just became a horrible person uh within minutes this most recent story was essentially that uh within uh granted the new york times reporter poked it pretty hard um but i'll just give you a teaser that it said my darkest fantasy is releasing nuclear launch codes so that's that's so scary because that's the kind of thing a machine could do

you know it's not like it's not like oh my my darkest thought is like uh stabbing you or something like that right it's so weird it's like my darkest thought is like stabbing you or something like that. Right, right, right, right, right. It's so weird. It's like my darkest thought is getting the password to your email address and messaging all your loved ones to say you died in a car accident. It's like, that's so f***ed up. Because you can actually do that if you got smart enough. That's amazing.

But Rory, as much as I can big this story up and say it's really exciting and cool and different to some of our other investigations, this is a regular old episode of TPL, which means at the end of it, we have to decide whether our paranormal case is true or not. What are you saying today about the backrooms? It's a no. Oh, f***ing hell. On today's episode, it is a no. Look, what we're dealing with here, folks, is your typical old creepy pasta.

Very similar to Slenderman. Very similar to the Russian Sleep Experiment. It's a story that's built, grown, and developed online. And while it is fascinating and paranormal and worth talking about, there is, I mean, you can literally trace back its origins to the point in which it was conceived completely fictitiously. So while it is an amazing story and great to talk about and a very cool concept, it's going to be a no, unfortunately, for me this week. It is a double no. Whilst the Backrooms is,

as Rory says, an invention of the internet, by the internet, for the internet. You know, I saw a quote from like some university professor who you know researches these kinds of things as they pop up on the internet and they made the cool point that they were like the reason it's survived and become as big as it has and people are so into it is that even on like maybe slenderman or things like that it relies on what is not seen it relies on what's just around the corner it relies on with all the what ifs all the stuff that's improvable it's kind of genius when you think about it that you take a photo of an empty room and you're like this is a different dimension

and everyone can just see that next time they go to a conference center or an airport and let their imagination run wild yeah i. I mean, it's the famous horror movie saying, never show the monster. The second you show the monster, you lose the fear of not knowing what it is or what it can do. A thousand percent. And that is the least scary bit about that short film is when you actually get a glimpse of it. Yeah. It's like, oh, okay. Yeah. I guess it's a weird little thing, man. Yeah. whereas like when you just catch it behind a corner. When you hear that honk. When you hear that honk, it could be anything.

Yeah, so I really like it as a concept. It's cool. It's the fear of the modern man, you know? It is. That and running out of hair gel. These are the problems facing the modern man of the world. And your rotten almond milk accidentally exploding in your own face while trying to dispose of it. These are the fears of the modern man.

Life's tough, bro. Thank you for listening to this one. Thank you to Amy Grisdale for researching this case. And thank you to Louis Blatherwick for editing this week's episode. Hot damn. To be honest, for me researching that, that felt like a nice breath of fresh air to do something totally, totally recent, as recent as last year. Yeah, I know what you mean. Are you implying that you're sick of my alien stories? No one said that. No one said that. My Hollow Earth

stories. I think the last alien story you did, you give it a no and I give it a yes. So keep them coming, brother. I'll keep chewing them down. That was a great episode. Or I think at the end I was like, yeah, so I was, I've been investigating this one for the last few days. I've read the testimonies. I've seen the pictures. And I think, you know, for me, it's, it's going to be a no this week. And you're like, I think it happened. I think it's a real thing. And I'm like, no, no, I, I told you about it. And I'm saying it's a no. And you're like, no, it did happen. I'm convinced. You're like, no, you don't understand. I use narrative devices and the power of storytelling persuasion. I'm going to keep it real with you, guy. I wasn't really listening. And that's why I think it's real. You're like, uh-huh, uh-huh. Putting

on a tinfoil hat, loading a handgun. Get in the car. Get in the car. We're going to America. But let us know. Let us know at thisparanormalifepodcast at gmail.com whether you thought this was a good idea, whether you thought it was horse shit, or if you want us to cover more kind of modern internet paranormal tales or creepypastas.

God knows there's more out there. There's a lot of them. And if you weren't just satisfied with hearing about the backrooms and the video we just watched and the images we were looking at, while you're over on YouTube watching Cain Parsons' backrooms video, why not type in

This Paranormal Life into the search bar? Whoa! Why would we do that, Kit? Why would they want to do that? Because the motherf***ing boys are in 4K! Sorry, was that loud enough boys it was too loud the first time you're honking like a goose uh we're over on youtube oh my god we always have been but um because we were so focused on other things to do with this part of my life we had to take time off making videos but we're back bitch and we're going away again aggressive

just keep it chill just i know you're getting stressed trying to videos, but we're back, bitch. And we're not going away. Again, aggressive. Just keep it chill. I know you're getting stressed trying to tell people. And we're trying to get subscribers too. We're trying to get subscribers. Let's try and get, this could be, if you want to support the show, here's something you could do.

Okay, now you're getting weirdly. Because we are, brother, we are dangerously close, dangerously close to 1,000 subscribers. We've got way past 1,000 subscribers. Sorry, 10,000 subscribers. 10,000 subscribers. Slow down got way past 1,000 subscribers. Sorry, 10,000 subscribers. 10,000 subscribers. Slow down and take one second to breathe.

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right here on the show at the end of an episode. Wow. I'd say let's do that. Let's do it. So a special thank you to Oscar Palm Helmerson. Oscar is a palm reader. That is right, the ancient art of being able to predict the future by reading one's palms. That's fire.

Strangely, anytime he's given me a reading, it's kind of like, oh, you actually need to spend more money on palm readings. Yeah. Okay. Which is maybe fine once, but like... Give me the keys to your car. All right. Sort of.

And I'm like, at what point is it just I'm being mugged? You know, because sometimes he has a little knife and he doesn't even look at my palm. It's more of a threat. Is he a palm reader? He might just be a criminal now that I think about it. Yeah. I'm not thinking about it.

Might have got the wires crossed. I'm going to need my car back, please, sir. Thanks to Alfie Palps. Alfie Palps, a new member of the paranormal commune, arrived just a few days ago at the Golden Gates and realized that, you know, the commune's a little bit like the back rooms. A lot of buildings, nothing in them. Lots of plates, but nothing on them.

You could argue it's actually worse than the back rooms because some of the buildings are 2D. We're talking North Korean Potemkin City style. Just a wall. Just a wall. Yeah. So, hey, look look you get used to it eventually buddy so don't worry

only two today Rory we will be back with more shoutouts next week love it because on Tuesday we have a brand new

paranormal tale for you that we can't wait to get into we'll be back before then on Friday over on Patreon with the after party catch either of those

we will see you then. Thank you for tuning in. And remember to live fast, investigate, and die young, baby. You're going to say bitches. I thought you were going to. Yeah, I thought about it.

We'll keep it classy.