This Paranormal Life - #308 "Canada's Roswell" - The Shag Harbour UFO Incident

Episode Date: March 28, 2023

In 1967, strange glowing lights were seen in the sky above Shag Harbour, Nova Scotia. It wasn't long before multiple witness claimed they had witnessed a large object CRASH into the ocean just off the coast and sink into the water. When the local police arrived at the scene to investigate... things only got stranger...Follow us on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTubeJoin our Secret Society Facebook CommunitySupport us on Patreon.com/ThisParanormalLife to get access to weekly bonus episodes!Buy Official TPL Merch! - thisparanormallife.com/storeIntro music by www.purple-planet.comResearch by Amy GrisdaleEdited by Philip Shacklady Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Can I use a summoning circle to find a girlfriend? If glass is made of sand, why can't I see through the beach? All of these questions you can find the answer to on This Paranormal Life! Hello everyone and welcome to This Paranormal Life, the comedy slash paranormal podcast where every week myself and my co-investigator slash best friend, best friend for life, Kit Greer Malvena, we team up, we tag team, we double team a paranormal case and come to a conclusion at the end of the podcast whether or not it truly is paranormal or not. Sometimes it's a double yes, sometimes it's a double no.

And I don't want to get people too excited about this week's case, but today's episode is a Rory original. What does that mean? That means I left it too late to submit a script to our researcher, Amy. So at 1 a.m. last night, Rory had to scour the dark web. 1 a.m. today. 1 a.m. today. It was today. It was literally hours ago I had to find this case, put on a pot of coffee, and I was typing away

into the darkness of the night. And you know why I was up so late? Motherf***er. Because... You look terrible. You look terrible. I stumbled onto something big. Is your voice gonna be like this the whole episode? What, whispery? Thin and whispery? And a little weird? Yeah, it might be. I think the coffee was a little

too hot when it went down your gullet last night and I think it scalded the thing. I uncovered something huge. Oh yeah? And I shouldn't actually say that I uncovered it specifically, because it was an email submission. Right. A great suggestion from Kyle Copeland, who said, I love how simple this is, patron

here, how about this one? And then sent a link to the case. The only emails that are more simple than that is when someone writes the name of the episode they're suggesting in the subject line of the email and then the body of the email

is completely empty. Yeah. Big fan of that one too. We get it. You know, if you're submitting these paranormal cases, you want to protect your identity. You want to remain anonymous

in some cases. And we appreciate that. Kyle Copeland lives at 23 Man Yard Street. There's no need to give away their home address. That's crazy. In case there's any fans that also live nearby and want to connect with Kyle, his kids go to school just 20 minutes from the local church.

I did a little research. I had to do a background check on this motherfucker. Do you want to know where his wife went to law school? Is that what you spent all night researching instead of the case? Do you have a case to present? Kyle. I'm researching Kyle. This guy's not all he cracks up to be. Let me tell you. Look, I don't want to dilly dally too long at the start of the podcast. I'm just trying to express how amazing the story that we have this week is. You know, I've investigated a lot of UFO stories. I'm a guy that thinks they've seen it all. They've heard it all. But today's case, it made me put on my tinfoil hat for the

first time in years. I felt like I was baby Rory investigating my first UFO. Is that because this is the first time in months that Rory has done any work researching the case himself? Yeah, I'm like something about this one, man. I really feel like I'm close to it. Not just because it was finished seven minutes ago and I researched it today. All I'm saying is I hope this case doesn't have the vibe of like, you know people who are really into like smoking weed and they're like, man, it just helps me be more creative, dude.

And then they play you the song that they wrote while they were high and it's bad. Right, right. I'm just worried that this could be a like, and then they play you the song that they wrote while they were high and it's bad. Right, right. I'm just worried that this could be a like, bro, I found the craziest case at 2 a.m. after I drank a pot of coffee and I'm presenting it to you five minutes later. I'll be honest, huge portions of this are just illegible. It's kind of a fever dream now looking back at it.

I felt like I was in the zone, but some of this is barely English. But we're going to make our way through it as best we can. Do you know how you can tell that this is a case, Kit, that the man are trying to shut down, that they don't want us to record? Go on. Because the AC is broken in the studio

to the point where it's so cold they're trying to freeze us out so we can't record this podcast. People who are watching on YouTube or Twitter or TikTok or Instagram who are watching clips from this podcast you'll be able to see Kit and I are both in coats.

I'm wearing a fleece. I have a woolly hat on the studio. My nose is running. We have little cherry red cheeks and red noses because we're not getting we're not getting frozen out of this case. We arrived to this studio today,

and the studio manager was like, oh, bad news, guys. Oh, the AC. I just saw him put a screwdriver in his back pocket, too. Like, he'd just been f***ing about. He's like, oh, AC's broken, guys. I guess, oh, you might have to come back another day, unfortunately.

And we were like, oh, it's cool. We'll put AC's broken, that's no problem. We have a big, important case to get to the bottom of, so we're going to record anyway. He's like, f***, really? Yeah, he was like, all right, go ahead then. Operation Frostbite was a fail. Operation Frostbite was a fail.

Copy that, because those are hard as nails. I repeat, hard as nails. We're not going to let it get in our way, and we're going to investigate this case. But first, a quick word from today's sponsors. Now, today's case, Kit, is not only referred to as Canada's Roswell, but also

it's regarded as one of the most convincing UFO stories of all time. Jesus, I wonder if I've ever heard of it. And we missed it! Can you believe it? So Canada's Roswell, I mean, they do a lot of things better in Canada than in the USA. Healthcare. Healthcare.

Politics. Maple syrup. Hockey. Gun control. The list goes on. Weed is legal. USA is catching up on weed. Canada's great, isn't it?

So maybe they do UFOs better too. We're going to find out in today's case. Just like the story of Kit and Rory, we begin our journey today in a small fishing village. Now, before we get into the case, I want to say I don't want to hear any jokes or any giggling when I say the name of the village. Okay, because this is a serious paranormal case. I'm a serious guy. I don't know why that would happen. Just because the village has a funny name, it doesn't mean that this is a serious paranormal case i'm a serious guy i don't know just because the village has a funny name it doesn't mean that this is a funny story so with that in mind it's 1967

and we're in shag harbor all right hold up right yeah it's just that is i do agree with you it this is very serious but that is going to be hard for our british it's going to come up a lot all to move past. It's going to come up a lot, because a lot of this all takes place in Shag Harbor. Our protagonist, Austin Powers. Shag Harbor is located at the northern tip of Nova Scotia. And while small, this little community was about to become host to one of the best documented and most believable UFO cases in the world.

Nova Scotia, the only bit of Canada I have been to. I've got some family in Nova Scotia. In fact, this is a part of Canada where we might feel most at home, Rory, because as two people... As shaggers. As top shaggers. I definitely think we'll feel at home in Shag Harbor. As two people who grew up in Ulster.

There's a ton of all the people from Ulster and the Ulster Scots who moved over to Canada in the 1700s. This is where they ended up. Really? In Nova Scotia, because it's the closest bit. Well, these fishermen from Shag Harbor caught a little more than they bargained for. And it all started one night in October 1967. A night that started like any other.

Families tucking their kids into bed. Bars closing for the evening. Everyone returning to their homes to get some shut-eye. But those eyes would never shut. Because this night was just getting started. Rory was in his poetry bag

last night at 2 a.m. He's feeling the Tim Hortons coffee flowing through his veins. I just, I'm so excited because I'm the only one in theory right now that knows what's about to happen. And it's about to happen. The first incident.

While flying en route to Toronto, First Officer Robert Ralph pointed out to the captain that there was something strange flying out the left side of his aircraft. In the report, the captain described an object following alongside them on the same path, same speed, and same trajectory, just a few miles away. The captain described it as brilliantly lit, a rectangular object with a string of smaller lights trailing behind it. Ralph Lowinger, the co-pilot, was so stunned that he immediately radioed down to ground control in Boston.

Boston, this is co-pilot Lowinger on flight 305 to Toronto. Have you got us on radar? We sure do. You're on our screens. Well then tell me, who the hell is that at our 11 o'clock? There was a pause. Ground control seemed confused. We don't have anybody out there on radar. Loewinger put down his weed cookie edible. He had eaten quite enough for that night. I mean, this was crazy. He was being told there was no object while looking out the window at the object that

means whatever that thing is ain't radioing down to toronto to let them know they're coming yeah because radar you don't even have to radio or have a connection to be radar radar picks you up that's the vibe that's why radar can like pick up i don't know whales or submarines you know even if they want to stay hidden the the radar is going to get you. Right. I mean, I think the only things of this world that we know about would maybe be some kind of advanced stealth bomber or something which might be able to repel those waves.

But the story only got crazier. Just moments later, at 7.19 p.m., both pilots described seeing a sizable silent explosion near the large object whoa two minutes later a second explosion which faded into a blue cloud around the object what the hell this isn't even the story by the way i need you to know that this is the little thing that happens this is an ad for Squarespace. This is... I'm just wetting your appetite right now. All I'm saying is, if this story right now was Lord of the Rings,

we haven't even left the f***ing Shire yet. We're still eating potatoes, drinking beer, dancing on the tables at the bar. Right, this is Rory at 1.17am, barely even getting started into his night of research. And you didn't need to be in a plane to see this thing. Dozens of bystanders on the ground reported seeing the same strange events, bizarre orange lights flying through the night sky, flashing in sequences.

Daryl Dory, his sister Annette, and his mother say that they saw, quote, a large object maneuvering above the southwestern horizon. Daryl said he had never seen anything like it in his life. Coming from Daryl, that says a lot. One boat captain while aboard his ship, and the ship has a funny name, and I don't want you to make fun of it because it's a serious case.

All right. Has it got shag in the title? It doesn't have shag in the name. The SS Nickerson of Sambro. What's wrong with these people? Everyone's a top shagger who lives in Shag Harbor, and they have a boat named after Nickers? These people are obsessed.

The captain of the SS Nickerson claimed that he witnessed four different blips on his radar of objects traveling through the sky. When he called attention to it, his crew of over 20 men stood on the deck of the Nickerson and watched in awe as the objects lit up the dark sky above them. After seeing this, the captain radioed the rescue coordination center and the harbor in Halifax, demanding an explanation for the lights. He also filed a report with the Royal Canadian Mountie Police. And you can actually see the report.

I have it here. What the hell did he want the Mounties to do? They travel on horseback. They got cute red coats. They can't do anything about a Death Star silently exploding in the sky. I mean, hey, we all respect the Monty's. Who do you call then? But I don't know if that's their jurisdiction.

But there is no jurisdiction. The guys you usually call are the ones that come in, shoot a couple people in the back of the head, and then say it never happened. So maybe it is good to get the horse people involved. At this point, Kit, we have pilots in the sky claiming they've seen it. We've got ship captains and their crew

claiming that they've seen this thing in the sky. And by the way, we're still in the sky claiming they've seen it. We've got ship captains and their crew claiming that they've seen this thing in the sky. And by the way, we're still in the Shire. Okay, all right, we get it. Our story hasn't even begun yet. Please, keep the details coming. We would love to get to Mordor, hear about Mordor. I mean, hey, isn't it a testimony to how great this case is that we're this early on in the story? We've got this much evidence and eyewitness testimonies,

and I haven't even mentioned the thing we're investigating yet. I get it. We haven't left the Shire. I just don't think you do get it. But at some point, we need to leave the Shire, though. Even Frodo was like, he didn't have a lot of resistance to leaving the Shire, and I feel like, I don't know if you're protesting too much here, that you're delaying the inevitable, that to leaving the Shire. And I feel like, I don't know if you're protesting too much here, that you're like delaying the inevitable that we leave the Shire. I'm just saying.

Me and the listeners are very ready to leave the Shire. Okay, but just, I just want to make sure that we all know that in this huge journey we're about to go on right now, we're smoking f***ing buckwheat in a grass field. At this point, the Mounties were becoming overwhelmed with reports of glowing lights and floating objects. It felt like these sightings were never going to stop, but they were all building to a dramatic conclusion.

RCMP here. How can we help? Holy f***ing s***! I'm down by the harbour! We all just saw a f***ing plane crash into the ocean! You gotta get down here! Again, vastly overestimating the skills of the Mounties. Right. Let's get the Navy involved. Let's get the Coast Guard involved. We're on horses. I don't know what you want me to do. It's in the sea. I'm on a horse. Darth Vader, the Sith Lord, has infiltrated the village! He's force choking me!

You're like, we don't even have guns. I have a little stick that hangs on my belt. What is that going to do against a Sith Lord? I mean, this is, this is one of the bizarrest claims that we've had with an extraterrestrial sighting. This isn't a little smudge in the sky or strange glowing light. These people are saying they saw some sort of commercial airliner go down and crash into the ocean. You know, when you get a call like this, you're obviously going to be a little bit skeptical. So the Mountie who received the call went to go talk to his fellow constable, whose name I'm about to say. There's no way. And I don't want any giggles or chuckles.

Oh, here we are. Corporal Muncher. What is it? What is it? The constable who worked at Shag Harbor was Ron Pound. There's no way. There's no way. The Mountie went over to Ron Pound and said, Constable Pound, we've had a few reports of strange lights in the sky. Do you think it's worth checking out?

Luckily, it didn't take much to convince Constable Ron Pound checking out. Luckily, it didn't take much to convince Constable Ron Pound, because he had literally seen the lights himself earlier that night. His testimony said that he saw four lights all attached to one craft flying in the sky that seemed to be at least 60 foot long. So the Mounties headed down to the harbor, where over 11 witnesses had seen the event. And they weren't saying that they'd seen something in the sky, or heard a little noise. These people were saying that they'd heard a whistling sound, quote, like a bomb. Then a whoosh, and finally a loud bang, before watching what looked like an aircraft with glowing lights crash from the sky down into the water. By the time the Mounties reached the shore, the ordeal was almost over.

Constable Pound, joined by two fellow officers, pushed their way to the front of the crowd to see if they could make anything out in the water. He claimed that as he looked out into the darkness, he saw a yellow light slowly dip into the icy waters below. What does that mean? Some of the craft itself? Or maybe like he just witnessed the last part of it sinking down into the ocean. Right, right, right. Who knows? But it seems like he's convinced he saw something going down and disappearing into the water. At this point, no one really has a reason to believe that this is a UFO. It's got to be some sort of plane crash, right? Commercial or otherwise. Yeah. Like, I mean, we're looking at this through the lens

of this paranormal life. So we're looking for a UFO, but a lot of the shock factor for those people is like, oh my God, are people dying? Are people okay? Do they need rescued? A hundred percent. I mean, that's where your mind would go. And that's exactly where their minds did go. The first thought was, what if there were people on the craft that needed to be rescued ASAP? So as soon as they were ready,

boats were sent out to investigate the scene. While the Coast Guard and other local boats headed out to the site of the crash, the Mounties called the Rescue Coordination Center in Halifax to report the incident. Hello, RCC? We want to report a horrific plane crash at Shag Harbor. The Mounties are on the scene and we're looking for survivors now. The voice on the line was confused. Uh, we have no missing aircraft. Whatever you're talking about, it isn't a plane.

By this time, the men on the boats had reached the site where Constable Pound had witnessed the light sink into the water. And while the light was gone, evidence of the crash still remained. I'm just going to jump in there. If I'm that guy on the end of the phone, it takes a lot of confidence to say, Nope, definitely not us. I don't know what it is, but I don't care. What's that? You saw a 747 fall into the ocean and people screaming and yelling and pulling their life jackets trying to survive?

Nope, I'm looking at a spreadsheet and there's no planes missing on the spreadsheet. All I'm saying is I've had a bunch of low responsibility, shitty jobs in my life. And I was pretty bad at all of responsibility, shitty jobs in my life. Yeah. And I was pretty bad at all of them and made mistakes every single day. Right. Thankfully, working in a cafe or a place like that, the stakes are not too high.

All I'm saying is if I was in control of monitoring the locations of planes and then someone tells me we just saw a plane crash, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt of like okay tell me more kit working in that cafe customers were going up being like uh i ordered an americano nope pretty sure you ordered a vanilla latte i'm looking at my spreadsheet and no coffee is missing, so I believe you're wrong. No, I know exactly what you mean. If one group of people heard screams and explosions and witnessed something the size of a shamu drop into the ocean, and then another guy is saying, every light on my circuit board's green.

I think you're mistaken, friend. It's like, I don't know, brother. I'm pretty convinced I saw something. Can you double check? Can you check again? Just to be sure. It's like the part earlier in this story where they're like, hey, who's flying beside us?

And they're like, nobody. And they're like, okay, but. Let's try again. Let's try again. I'll rephrase and we'll try again. So there is somebody flying beside me. So how about you figure out who that is? I don't want to get ahead of myself here,

but we might be straying into cover-up territory. If you start saying you saw something and the officials are starting to tell you, no, you didn't, you've got to start watching your step. Because it sounds like you saw something that they didn't want you to see. That maybe you didn't want to see

and even the people who are recording things weren't even supposed to know about it. This is maybe the craziest and most interesting part of this entire story. As the boats drifted towards the site where the alleged crash took place in the water, they found themselves covered in a strange yellow foam floating on top of the surface. They said it was four to six inches thick. And to this day, no one knows what that foam is or where it came from. But the guys who touched the foam, their skin dissolved and they turned into a skeleton. So the jury is still out. That can happen. The sea is a mysterious place. We don't know everything that goes on there. Maybe

there is a sea foam that eats flesh. And we do know that it is a natural thing that the sea creates foam, but this sounds like it's distinctly different, maybe a bit different to normal sea foam. Yeah. I mean, we grew up on the North coast of Northern Ireland. We're no stranger to sea foam. A dangerous little thing as well, because a lot of people die in it. What? how? does it fly into their f***ing mouth and they choke? what do you mean? you can get like 20 inches of sea foam to the point where

your body would be completely covered but unlike water you can't swim to the top of sea foam if you're in the sea foam you're in the sea foam and breathing is basically breathing in salt water you can't get any air so people just're in the sea foam, you're in the sea foam and you breathing is basically breathing in salt water. You can't get any air. So people just die in the foam thinking it's like, I'm going to run about into the foam and they die. That's crazy. Yeah. No one told me that. It's pretty up. Yeah. Cause I ran into the foam. Okay. That's why you heard it. And I didn't,

I heard it a good few times. They resuscitated you on the beach. I heard it a good few times. Because they resuscitated you on the beach. They had to resuscitate me, and I basically became a human fire extinguisher shooting foam out of my mouth like a cannon. Rory was starfished on the beach like f***ing Patrick from Spongebob, just getting his heart resuscitated. Despite an extensive search,

nothing else could be found that night, and the rescue was called off at 3 a.m. in the morning. Now Kit, the RCC said that no aircraft, commercial or military was missing and there was no debris or bodies or evidence of anything actually crashing into the water. So with that in mind you'd think this case would would die down pretty fast huh? If it turned out you guys were just mistaken. I don't know if hundreds of people seeing it, kind of there's no evidence, but go off, King. But over the next few

days, strangely, the small harbor of Shag would become of great interest to the military. A little weird if nothing actually crashed into the ocean. What are all these soldiers doing rolling into town? Military holiday. We're all taking our holidays all at once by the seaside. Yep, lovely shag harbor by the seaside. Why are you wearing your military fatigues if you're on holiday, sir? Classified. This is my beach radioactive contamination suit. This is my summer wear.

Yeah, hey, private, throw me that military issue beach ball. This 500 pound floating metal droid floats through the sky. Scanning the beach with a Geiger gunter. The locals are like, all right, good luck. We're going to go down and have a dip in the harbor. I wouldn't. What was that? Nothing.

Nothing. Go ahead. Before you take a little dip in that harbor, when was't. What was that? Nothing. Nothing. Go ahead. Before you take a little dip in that harbor, when was the last time you told your wife you loved her? Seems like a strange thing to bring up. You're right. You're right. You're right.

Go ahead. I feel like I'm not going to go in the boat. And God bless you, son. Right. Yeah. You're in for a world of pain. Hey, a lot of crazy shit is about to go down in the tiny harbor of Shag.

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There's no way. The Fellowship hasn't even formed. There's no way. We're after the ad break. We must be at the Two Towers by now. Barely started. This is the opening paragraph. We are in the opening shot of

the Fellowship of the Ring. We haven't even met Frodo yet. We haven't even met him. You're definitely full of shit. I don't believe it for a second. Brother, I'm telling you, this is the wildest UFO story maybe I've ever come across in my life.

If you feel so strongly about it, do you want to put money down right now on whether I will give this a yes? 100%. 100% I'll put money down on whether you give this a yes. I'm a little scared at the level of crazy in Rory's eyes right now. So I am a bit worried about the amount of money we're about to exchange.

All I'm going to say is in the second half, I'm bringing on a guest and he's three feet tall. So I'm going to say it's a double yes. All right, we're going to get lunch after this. Lunch is on me if I have to give this a yes, if it's so irrefutable. Lunch is on you if I give this a no in the end. Agreed? I'm nervous now. You're like, shit, I just realized it's a two-parter, so technically there is no conclusion. We are heading into the wrap-up section actually i thought there was a little more here

but it turns out i was writing this the rest of it was a dream the rest of it was a dream i'll be honest most of what i've said so far was a dream too turns out the story was a pilot saw something out the window it was a goose and then i fell asleep and dreamed this up a goose flew into his engine and the plane crashed that's's right. It was a plane crash. Within days, a regiment of specialist Navy divers from Fleet Diving Unit was dispatched to Shag Harbor to comb over every inch of the seafloor. The mission took three straight days. And when it was over, officially, the final report says that no trace of an object was ever found. But unofficially, kid.

Okay. Local diver David Kvet had been surveying the local floor of the harbor for years, and he wanted to investigate the scene for himself. And that's the great thing about an underwater crime scene. Very hard to keep people out. Yeah, very true. When examining the ocean floor around the scene of the crash, he noticed something strange. Depressions in the area, almost dense where the craft was supposed to have hit. He described the depression as a dinner plate, with the center

being about a foot deep. He said, it was perfectly round, a perfect circle. Now that was already pretty strange, but what was even stranger wasn't the presence of the hole, but the absence of anything else. He said, where are the rocks, the plants, where are the scallops, the lobsters, the silt? There was nothing. It was absolutely clear, like someone had swept it the day before pretty crazy stuff and a really interesting note because if you were making up that story that might not even be something that you would think of making up the fact that there wasn't just a hole there was nothing it seemed like a big net or something had come down and just swept the ocean floor this is a tricky spot for us to be in. We're going down there. We're trying to find a star destroyer on the ocean floor, but not only are we not finding

a star destroyer, we're finding even less than there should be. Yeah. A bit of a curious bit of like anti-evidence. Yeah. You know, anytime we talk about these UFO stories, I know there's a lot of claims being thrown about here, but it is always interesting to acknowledge the fiction within... Sorry. Sorry,

slip of the tongue there. Okay. The fact. The fact. The fact within the story. The undisputable facts that are not made up. They weren't a dream.

They weren't the C4 I'm getting hungry and I just, I'm going to let you finish the They weren't a dream. I'm going to say, I'm getting hungry, and I'm going to let you finish the rest of the story, but I am going to start queuing up lunch restaurants, expensive ones, too, for us to hit. I'm saying, what I'm saying is, there were divers that were sent here from the military that did spend three days down there combing the bottom of the ocean

with trucks coming in and out. It was genuinely, this is a thing that happened. I'm not saying they found anything or there was anything. I'm saying that there are military records. It's just very funny to imagine the divers coming out every time and going, ah, still nothing, still nothing.

I can see lorries, multiple lorries a day coming in and out of that harbor. Hey, I won't get into the details, but there were some claims that there was shit being moved from the site that was apparently supposed to be diving equipment, but was kind of radioactive. That's all I'll say. That's all I'll say. flight or aircraft was missing, this bizarre event at Shag Harbor was officially reported as, yes, a UFO incident where the object in question was of, quote, unknown origin. But the story didn't really live that long without any developments.

It kind of died down even in the local news and around the local communities. So it's this weird thing where you have these people saying there was nothing, we didn't find anything. The report saying there was a crash of some kind and also claiming that it wasn't an aircraft and we don't know what it was. Whether they're saying, you know, that means it was a meteorite or that it was some, maybe not an aircraft, but a satellite or something. Bizarre to claim that, but then also say that you didn't find anything when you searched the ocean. Yeah, we've got a little bit of a he said, she said

going on between the aviation authorities, innocent bystanders, and then the government and the Navy and so on. Yeah. Everyone saying slightly different, well, not just slightly, quite substantially different versions of the same thing. It's like the government coming out and saying, we did find a bullet hole caused by an extraterrestrial ray gun that obviously contains some sort of power that human beings cannot comprehend and will never achieve for millennia. But we didn't find a gun. We didn't find a gun. So we don't think it happened.

We didn't find a gun. We didn't find a gun, so we don't think it happened. Right. It's like, right, but you found like a lightsaber-esque searing gap in a piece of metal that looked like it was done from a tool from another galaxy. Sure, but where is it? Where is it if it exists? I hate this guy. I hate this guy's attitude.

I just know he's got a little smile on his face. Where is it then? Why aren't you? Yeah, he's so like, all on his face. Where is it then? Why aren't you... Yeah, he's so like, all right, well, where is it then? Where's your proof? It's like, well, again, the hole is kind of the proof.

It's like, yeah, but where's the gun? Where's the gun? Smoking barrel, no gun. So what are you going to do about it, huh? You're going to report to the police who report to me? Motherfucker. Yeah, nothing.

That's what you're going to do. That's right. Nothing, as usual. It's holstered to your belt. The gun is holstered to your belt right now. I can see it. like shit on october 9th five days after the mysterious object crashed the ufo search was completely called off but that's not even the end of our story kit because we haven't left the shire oh my you gotta give it up we're starting the journey

now stop this i demand i demand that we stop this. Gandalf just showed us the ring. This is where the journey begins. Because while the government claims, or should I say clams, because we're by the f***ing sea. I'm sorry, I'm getting really fired up now. I just, I just need you.

Have you seen the movies? Because Leaving the Shire is within, so it's a trilogy for one I didn't watch all they're all like three yeah they're all like three hours long right leaving the Shire is it is the first expositional five percent of the trilogy there is but it is like most of the movies right but no it's not it's like the vast vast vast majority of the trilogy is very much out of the Shire so okay I just need you to understand though that's like right at the edge of the Shire? It's not.

And they're trying to get there? You must know that that's not how the movies work. They live in Middle-earth. It's really big, actually, and Mordor's on the complete other end. We can't get into the details. Rory's eyes just glazed over while I was talking. He didn't take in any of that. It turns out, Kit, that the government may have been a little more

involved in this case than they led us to believe. It wasn't until years later that the public discovered that the nearby harmless Oceanographic Institute, only 30 minutes away from where the UFO crashed, was actually

a secret US military base that was hidden for 25 years. Whenever you were saying harmless, I was so wondering where this is going. Okay, okay. Turns out it wasn't that harmless the whole time. Sure. Again, this is true. There was a secret military base 30 minutes from where this object crashed into the ocean. Hey, there's only a few things in life that are as certain as death and taxes, the fact that bears shit in the woods, and that the U.S. military has outposts on every piece of land on Earth.

Wherever you are, they are there too. This one was allegedly set up to monitor underwater frequencies for Russian submarines, which, hey, you know, that's one of those good excuses where it's kind of like if someone uncovers it and they're like, hey, you guys aren't recording dolphin migration. You're a secret military base. They can at least be like, hey, you caught us. But you know what we are doing there? Keeping America safe.

Right, right. Is there a problem with that, motherfucker? That we're looking out for submarines that are trying to kill you? You're saying you're not a patriot? You're starting to look like, a little bit like a Russian submarine yourself. Exactly. If they get caught,

they kind of have a good way to make people not angry at them. Yeah, sure. But since the event, and in the wake of this base being declassified, a ton of ex-military and government employees have come out with some pretty wild claims about the Shag Harbor

UFO. Bill Bordeaux, who worked at the facility while it was classified, said, they picked up the crash here in the harbor almost as soon as it happened. A simple quote, but it tells a lot. Not only that there was a crash, but that whatever it was that was down there was picked up immediately by the government. Picked up on radar, not physically lifted, right? No, it was that was down there was picked up immediately by the government. Picked up on radar, not physically lifted, right? No, it was taken. It was brought to the base. I think.

I don't know, actually. I don't know. It could have been picked up on radar. Okay. But that's the thing. They either had this base that knew a lot more than it did, or it was a base that was looking out for submarines, and it just so happened to pick up the craft, which was a real good coincidence.

Other ex-military members whose names have been hidden, they claim that once it submerged into the water, the object traveled 25 miles to a place called Government Point. All right, not trying to hide itself whatsoever there. Right by the secret U.S. military base.

And while it was there, things only got stranger. What the divers told me simply was that there was an operation at the mouth of Shelburne Harbor, and they held station on chips and dove over a period of one week over what was an apparent UFO on the bottom, and that it was being assisted by a second craft that was somehow lending assistance to it. One of the expressions they used was that there was still

activity going on down there. These men claimed to have been in the water and then watched us at a fairly close range as they were placing cameras and sensors, et cetera. It's an incredible tale. Not only did they see objects down there, but they saw things as well. You sort of have to leave that in your own imagination

as to what these things were. They're certain, or at least this particular diver is certain that they weren't from here. Other military personnel that were at this operation in a support role have suggested that there was a great deal of tension in the operation between American and Canadian personnel. At one point, one of the officers felt it necessary

to intervene at one of these discussions that was spilling out around the mess, and he tried to contain it and tell the diver to keep the comments down and that, you know, they shouldn't be talking about the operation over the Russian sub, and to which the diver responded responded saying i don't know what that goddamn thing is down there but it's no submarine it isn't anything from this planet and like you can say whatever you want but we know what we're seeing whoa that guy is not dead. Oh, 100%.

You know, in the movie about this incident, that guy's going, I don't care what anyone says. That is not a submarine. That thing is not from this world. The general just takes out a gun, shoots him in the head. Anyone else got anything to say about what's down there? I didn't think so. Right, right. Or, you know, there's a big scene where he's in the mess hall yelling about, like, we need to tell people! We need the truth to come out!

And then over the PA, it's like, Colonel Walters, please report to the general's office immediately. And then the next day down at the barracks, they're like, Walters, I bet they gave you a bollocking talking about the UFO. Walters has now a scar in the side of his head half of his head is shaved yeah and he's like no it was i who was mistaken

it truly was a russian submarine and we would all be smart to remember that he's got a british accent now i'm afraid i can't speak on that anymore, Alfred. That part of my brain has been restricted. Pretty crazy stuff, Kit. What do you make of some of those stories about the military not only knowing about this object, not only interacting with this object, but they said it was down there with another craft for about a week. There is a lot to pick apart there.

This case is quite interesting in the sense that it happens. Sorry, before you go any further, I think I'm going to get chicken nuggets for my burger. Because I know you're buying lunch today. So I'm just telling you my order right now just so that you have it

for when you buy me lunch at the end of the episode. That's cute that you think you're getting nuggets because my ass is going to come down in a no and you're taking me to no-boo. We're going for, yeah, that's right, we're going to Michelin-starred

bitch. We're going to double no-boo. All I'm going to say is you better be careful because if you give it a double no out of spite, the people will know. They'll be able to tell. They will, they will. And the paranormal nation will not be kind to an investigator that throws a case under the bus for a free dinner.

All right, you don't have to warn me. I can't be bought for nuggets. Okay. It's happened before, but it won't happen again. Sorry, you were saying about the secret team of underwater divers who spent seven weeks excavating and salvaging an alien craft. I think they said it was one week. What did I say?

Seven weeks. I meant seven days one week. Seven days one week. Sorry, there's too much truth and information out there that I'm just overwhelmed. What I was saying was, it's interesting that this happened on joint Canadian and American jurisdiction.

Very interesting. Really, it is just Canadian jurisdiction, but America likes to weigh in on these things because it is somewhat believable that we end up with whistleblowers in that case because America might be like, we need to shut this shit down. Canada's like, we don't fucking care.

Like, you're not our boss. Yeah. And they're like, we kind of are. Well, you're kind of not. And you get this contradiction. And so for kind of bigger political diplomatic reasons, you could have a situation where Canadian whistleblowers are coming out

and saying some things about this and the USA side can't really stop them from doing that. Yeah. you could have a situation where Canadian whistleblowers are coming out and saying some things about this, and the USA side can't really stop them from doing that. Yeah. In the same way, they might be able to cover up quite cleanly something like Roswell. Yeah, yeah, because they have total full control over it. I mean, what we're talking about hypothetically is a secret U.S. base as well. So at this time, it's not even supposed to exist in Canadian territory. There's a lot of weird muddiness there that means that jurisdiction is going to be it's like you know

in the those action movie scenes where it's like the policeman is handling the situation and it's like fbi we'll take it from here and then the cia show up and they're like not so fast cia we'll take it from here yeah and then some dude comes down in a helicopter giving the president a piggyback and he's like, ABCDEFG, we'll take it from here. You know, there's always these higher levels and it's kind of, you don't know who's in control of what situation. And as you can tell the people in this story, they're not there yet. They're squabbling, they're leaking secrets. They're trying to work together, but it isn't happening. Multiple people who claim that they worked at this site said that while the craft was there the u.s and the canadian governments were planning this salvage operation when as you

heard a second ufo at some point got involved that seemed like it was there to render aid to the first okay and after the events of the week both crafts disappeared up so nothing was ever taken or salvaged from them what do you mean taken up they went up sorry sorry i feel like we're like we have left the shire and we've run across middle earth yeah we skipped a bunch of that middle shit we're in mordor now yeah that's how i thought that was gonna go so so you're saying that not only did a UFO crash, it was investigated for a week. Yep. And then what, a f***ing mothership came and lifted it? Maybe not a mothership, maybe a baby ship.

Another ship came and they left up. Just gave it some space fuel and they were like, all right, this has been fun. And then you have to understand that's a lot for it. Like we've spent 45 minutes detailing the arrival of one craft. And now you've just spiced in a second one. And then they both left with no trace. Well, Kit, we talk about a second craft coming down from the sky.

But there is another explanation. One that I don't know if we've talked about on this podcast before. Which is instead of talking about a UFO, could we possibly be talking about a USO? Huh? An Unidentified Submerged Object. Okay. This is a real thing. It doesn't come up as much because people look up in the sky a lot more than they do look down into the ocean.

Okay. But USOs, it's an actual classification, of course. As I said, it stands for Unidentified Submerged Object. And there are events and stories in the past where objects have come out of the ocean and gone up, or objects have come down from the sky and interacted with objects that appear to be in the ocean. I mean, I have to say, we've never really talked about that much on the podcast, but it kind of tracks, doesn't it? That if you were some kind of, you know, let's just say aliens from another planet, you're trying to go unnoticed here on Earth,

you're probably going to be noticed a lot faster in the air compared to in the ocean where, you know, you know what they always say, the ocean is 98% lettuce or something. Like it's, we don't know what's down there. Like lettuce is water, the ocean, we don't know what's going on. Something like that. Comb combination of those things i think it's you're paraphrasing very much because that really doesn't make any sense we don't know what's down there we don't know what's down there that's true i believe the quote is something like we know more about the

the galaxies and the stars and the universe than we do about our own ocean right because uh it's pretty dark down there. And I know there's like no light in space or whatever the fuck, I don't know. But down there, it's actually pretty salty and it's hard to breathe. And as a guy who's drowned multiple times in sea foam, I know how dangerous that shit can be.

It's worse than space. There's a really good joke in an episode of Futurama where they are in a spaceship that gets dragged to the bottom of the ocean and uh they eventually get so deep down that they're like we've just hit like 20 000 atmospheric pressures yeah yeah and one of the crew asked like oh my god how many how many atmospheric pressures can the ship withstand he's like well it's a spaceship so one but it's true it's like uh i don't know a lot about science i'm not a scientist i'm not a marine biologist i'm not even a fucking dolphin but i do know that the deeper you get uh water pressure is a real thing uh you will be crushed

i don't even know how they get some of that stuff so low down into the water without it just being squeezed into a two-dimensional object. It's crazy. Yeah, ask James Cameron. Yeah. I will just say I'm so relieved that Rory chose Lord of the Rings as his analogy for this case and not Avatar 2. Look, when talking about this case, it's worth saying that a lot of people compare it to one of the most convincing and compelling UFO encounters of the last 100 years, which was, of course, the Tic Tac UFO incident that took place in as early as 2004. Kit, if you don't know this one, I assure you, you do. It's the video footage that was leaked pretty recently uh where then the military had to come out and be like ah all right yeah you got us this is real where it's basically footage from

a military plane of an unidentified flying object doing some crazy shit crazy maneuvers stopping in midair rotating uh absolutely batshit crazy stuff but what people don't know from watching that video is that during that whole encounter at one point the craft descended 40 000 feet to the surface of the ocean what and what commander david fravor said happened next could link this incident to the sighting at shag harbor you watched it for more than five minutes. You saw it as close as anybody got and it was doing something really strange over a disturbance in the water. Yes. Was there something in the water? We don't know. So here's what it is. I'll say what drew us to it is there was it was a perfectly calm blue ocean day, no white caps,

and there was white water. The white water was kind of in the shape of, you can call it a cross, but about the size of a 737. So take the 737, drop it, look at it from the top, and point it to the east, and we're down to the south of it. And the Tic Tac was moving around that white water. So we didn't see if there was something below the surface. We just know there was something causing that water

to break over the top of it. As if it was docking or interacting with something. We first came back, so what was it doing? Was it interacting? Because obviously we talked. When we turned around, we couldn't find the disturbance in the water anymore. It was gone. So normally if it's a real seamount, it's going to be there until God removes it.

So in this case, we said, well, is it communicating? I don't know. I really don't know, but it could have been. I really like that guy's manner of speaking it's great it's a it's really like he's just discussing a new golf course he tried out the weekend with his buddies right yeah well you know we had never been down that way and we just thought well heck we'll just try it out and uh and you know and johnny he he played a great a great round and and and got a birdie. Comparing that to our usual course, it's like very matter of fact. Yeah, yeah. He's kind of like your dream UFO witness.

Yeah. Where it's like, for some reason, I mean, maybe he's worked in the military so long, nothing can fry his brain anymore. Yeah, yeah. He's just so used to it. But yeah, I do appreciate the honesty and the calmness of just being like, look, this is what I saw. Something came up from the water, even on a clear day. We don't know what it was. Kind of looked like it was

interacting. We don't know. We don't say it enough on this podcast that there is so much to be said for saying, I don't know. When someone asks you, you know, did this happen? To not speculate and go, maybe, but to say, I don't know. I'm just telling you what i saw what i think i saw yeah um yeah because as soon as you go listen brother it happened it's real yeah you start pushing people away uh by putting up walls what you need to do is be honest and have this approach to it and i think this case is interesting because i mean me personally that the video the ttac video if you haven't seen or read about that shit yet you should because uh hey i watched aerial phenomenon with kit i've investigated a lot of ufo stories uh that is the video that i'm like i would show anyone if you want to be like all right but what's going on here yeah i mean explain this this is it's a good test to see

uh how people react to it because if you say you don't believe in ufos or you think that it's all bullshit you kind of show them that and you go well do you think you're smarter than the government because the government said they don't know what it is right you know and it's one of these things where someone could go yeah well the video is obviously fake and it's like it's not yeah like the pentagon came out and they were like yeah which is funny because i thought that that video was just declassified to just be like, hey, we're trying to be more open with this stuff. We want the public to be kind of clued in on what we're discovering. The video was stolen and then leaked on the Internet.

Right. Way before it was released to the public. So the public kind of forced their hand a little bit. Which is kind of crazy when you think about it, isn't it? I think the way that information is disseminated in the 21st century, we're a little bit numb to stuff happening, right? Like, I think a lot of people out there somewhat believe in UFOs, but what we're all waiting for, isn't it,

is the big moment like in Independence Day or the big moment in that paranormal movie where the guy comes on the TV, we're interrupting your normal programming for this emergency broadcast. They have landed. You know, we're all waiting for that moment. But like what you just described is that moment. Like someone leaked a video of a UFO

and the government had to come out and admit that it's real and they don't know what it is. Like that was the moment, but we're, you know, it was just like, cool, that's news for five minutes. And then we're going to move on to talk about the Kim Kardashian's latest runway look or whatever. We're just so numb to it. Yeah, it's it's kind of like wow that's kind of crazy uh i still have to pay rent though yeah i do have to pay rent so i'm gonna go to my job uh and do work and then i don't know maybe order a pizza because i have to eat as well i mean even look at us like

we've we are paranormal investigators making a show every single week we haven't even properly talked about it because everyone's kind of like kicking back waiting for more to happen and it's hard it's it's you know bystander syndrome you don't want to be the guys who's being like why isn't everyone making a big deal of this we need to be on the streets we need to rally people up the truth is out there tinfoil hats on but honestly this case is doing it for me this i mean it's important to talk about that story because you know the most realistic and believable ufo story in the last 100 years that has video footage also contained a craft going down to the ocean and interacting with something i mean it's crazy to hear that from the guy who saw the ufo and then investigate this other story where we have a uso

whether that was a craft that did crash because we heard the pilots say that there were explosions in the sky before it came down or if there was a craft interacting with something below the waters that was already there we don't know but all I'm saying is it's pretty goddamn rich to sit here and tell those people the lovely shaggers of Shag Harbor that nothing came down and hit that water that night. When you've got that many witnesses to sit here and tell those people, the lovely shaggers of Shag Harbor, that nothing came down and hit that water that night. When you've got that many witnesses, when you've got a military team of divers spending several days at the bottom of the ocean, right beside a declassified secret government base,

there's a lot of shit going on here. There was one article that I read that said, I think it was a newspaper clipping that the quote was, it's a hard day for the skeptics. Hard day for the haters. I think that's the takeaway from this case. This is a hard one for the skeptics. If you look into this, read the testimonies, look at the evidence, it's pretty hard to say that nothing happened here. But Rory, I think the problem is here, less what did or didn't happen.

Did something happen or nothing happen? But to bring up another contemporary case, I don't know how much you've seen about this, but there's an incredibly relevant one that just unfolded in the last month or so. It all started, I mean, we're going to have to break all this down in an after party or a bonus episode or something. There's a lot to talk about. But lately there's been, you know, it's all started with the Chinese spy balloon. The cliff notes of this is the balloon was spotted.

They shot it down. They figured out it was a spy balloon. What Biden and the government did in response was they said, OK, we need to keep a better eye out for these things. We're going to crank up the sensitivity of our national radar detection stuff. Shit hit the fan. They were like, we are dripping in UFOs. There were just hundreds of objects everywhere. And it turned out that there was a couple of, they very quickly started identifying

truly UFOs, one over Alaska, one on the East Coast. And they were like, we've looked into them. They're not weather balloons. They're not affiliated with Chinese government, whatever. The one in Alaska, they end up flying up to it. This is only like two weeks ago. They end up flying up to it, shooting it down to try and figure out what it is. It was traveling at like 30,000 feet, 40,000 feet, whatever it was.

The pilots described it as being octagonal. So not a balloon. It has eight solid sides. And being the size of, I think, a car or two cars. They shoot it down and it crashes somewhere in the Alaskan wilderness. And then, much like in your story, they spend the next couple of weeks trying to locate it.

And although it sounds really unbelievable, I did read this whole article about it, and they said, if you think we're lying, you have no idea how big Alaska is. Like, this is really, it's almost impossible. And they had to give up. They were like, we're pretty sure it's fine. And it wasn't a plane, and it wasn't like a spy balloon,

but we can find it. So we'll never know. Oh, that's convenient. Which is convenient. So unbelievably similar in the sense that something went down. Something went down that day. Yeah. The government says we can't find it slash it's nothing.

And the rest of us are just sitting back wondering what the f*** happened. I think if it was just the crash into the ocean, then hell, you could say maybe it was some sort of spy plane or some technology that wasn't declassified just yet, some sort of secret technology. But some of those testimonies, I didn't even include all the testimonies of the people on the ground, in planes, on the boat, that saw strange flashing lights,

this huge object, silent explosions, a lot of weird, weird shit that sounds like it isn't something that humans could build. But aliens? Hell yeah. Is that your conclusion? Definitely.

Aliens? Hell yeah. All right, I'm'm not gonna dance around it anymore i think it's pretty clear to the audience where old rory's coming down on this case because i've been awakened my passion as a paranormal investigator has been rekindled by this case i remember why we started this is my ratatouille moment where I read this case, the camera goes into my eyes, and I remember buying my first neuralyzer. I remember why I started this journey as a fresh-faced young student at Harvard Paranormal. So I'm excited to say that this week it's going to be a yes from me. Kit, get your

wallet out. Because you're about to buy me dinner, on this week's episode of this paranormal life i am coming down on a no you son of a bitch you son of a bitch you you've been turned you're one of them i love that yo like f***ing scar in lion King or some s***. Ew. I think I can... Unbelievable. I can defend this. I can defend this. Coward. Liar.

Thief. Criminal. MIB. Scoundrel. You've been turned your corrupt. Give me back your tinfoil hat. Give me back your paranormal investigator badge. I think this is a great one to get the audience hopefully stirred up and maybe they can let

us know what they think, who's right and who's wrong. Well, it's a great way for us to identify the government agents hidden in our audience because it'll be all the no's. So that'll be pretty cool. We can figure out who they are and then put them at the bottom of Shag Harbor. But you have to understand that I agree. I don't understand anything not anymore the multiple witnesses seeing it go down compelling yeah the pilots the whistleblower the pilot seeing it of course compelling the whistleblowers who claim to have seen it underwater and said that it is quote not of this world technology they haven't seen before i'm not saying that that isn't i'm not saying i'm

not i'm not close or that i could have, to be honest, gone either way. You're saying a lot? But compared to many of the UFO cases we've studied before, there is a line, isn't there, of there's a difference between something definitely crashing, something definitely going down, something definitely being extremely advanced technology. But there is a line between saying that is aliens or not. So blue explosions in the sky, six inches of yellow mysterious foam,

secret government bases and military, everything goes fine, isn't it? Foam could be like, yeah, a ship went down and it leaked f***ing rocket fuel and created toxic foam. I'm honestly blindsided by this. I cannot believe it. We do cases all the time

where people are f***ing abducted, probed, spanked their asses, dropped into the wilderness and they're covered in radioactive goo and we still give

those no's sometimes. Yeah, but that dude's name is Deichel and he eats mushrooms for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Our witnesses today was the captain

of a plane, the captain of a ship, the police and military officials. I mean, to be honest, even what we talk about with what's going on in the news at the moment, I think that makes it all the more interesting and fascinating and relevant and timely. But honestly, it might even be muddying my head for what's going on, because what's going on in the world right now is there's weirdly right now tons of UFOs even being shot down, unable to be found or taken away or lost. And so it's like an everyday occurrence right now that we're left with this question of when is a UFO alien or when is a UFO of this world? So what are you saying? If you're saying this is a no, what are you saying

happened at Shag Harbor? Because you don't believe Captain Nickerson. It sounds like something went down. It sounds like a craft went down. It sounds like there's no question that a craft went down. An alien craft? Advanced technology. An alien craft? No, UFO.

Unidentified one. Unidentified as in we don't know what galaxy it came An alien craft? No, UFO. That's right. An unidentified one. An unidentified one. Unidentified as in we don't know what galaxy it came from. But how do we know? Like, this is a real question to you. How do we know that it was aliens? What is that bit? I mean, you could say that about any UFO case that we ever.

A f***ing diamond could come down, shoot a laser at someone that turns their T-shirt into bees and you could go i could be the russians how do we know it's alien well it's pretty weird man it's pretty bizarre i think that's safe enough to say no one on earth is doing that shit the bee ganon you know on a recent bonus episode we were recapping you know what has been my recent uh ratatouille spark back into ufo belief which was aerial phenomenon and so on way less convincing story way less convincing also the witnesses described shadow men moving in slow motion wearing materials that looked like running water you know and i think you still gave that a no that that wasn't aliens So you have to understand that there is Saw things not from this world

Underneath the ocean apparently when the second craft came and went into recovery mode Remember what I said both crafts went up. I had a bit of a problem with that bit All in all because we kind of glossed over all, which seemed to be the kind of craziest bit of all. I can't believe this. This is the most we've argued at the end of the case, which is really, really great stuff. Because I'm furious! Well done. Kit wants a dinner so bad he's willing to ignore paranormal evidence to get it.

To be fair, the bet was slightly ruined because we didn't get a double yes or a double no. Yeah, well, I hope you enjoy your lunch, buddy, because it's on me and it's a six-foot shit sandwich. Oh, mamma mia. Hey, well done. A fantastic case.

Yeah, was it, though? All right. I'm so angry now. All right, I need a little... We're going to have to do a poll or something. I am barely being able to contain my rage here. I feel like I'm angry now. All right, I need a little, we're going to have to do a poll or something. I am barely being able to contain my rage here. I feel like I'm putting on a brave face,

but it's slipping through. It's slipping through the cracks. You're not putting on a brave face. It's so visible. I feel like I'm being a professional. I'm not letting anyone know how angry I am. Genuinely, at my core, I'm boiling. There is something very funny about you staying up all night

to research it and then me still giving it a no. Yeah, it's almost like it wasn't worth it. Come on, man. Especially because you said a lot of the shit that ruined it was all the stuff at the end that I stayed up extra late to do. You know, so that kind of sucks. Sucks to hear. Because that's when the sun was rising and I was like, this is the bit that's kind of sucks. It sucks to hear. Right. Because that's when the sun was rising and I was like,

this is the bit that's going to win them over. This is the bit that's going to get them across the line, yeah. Yeah, maybe if I just stopped it, the ship going into the water, you might have said it was all fine. You might have said it was paranormal. Oh, I can't take that back. Can't take anything back. No, that's done. So I guess, do you want to do something else?

Do you want to do conclusions? Have you done those? Do you want to shout out the podcast? I don do conclusions or have you done those shout out the podcast or do I don't give a you are bringing the energy down and like

it is such a good case and this part of my life is never has never been about whether it's a yes or a no like the cases

are good in their own right so I think we can still you can still hold your head up high and like enjoy the spoils of like an amazing episode that everyone enjoyed listening to

ladies and gentlemen you've just witnessed a pivotal moment. Okay. Because what I'm about to do is get a piece of chalk and draw a line down the commune. One side is Rory world. One side is Kit world. Choose your side, motherfuckers.

Do you want to join the believers on Rory's side or do you want to join Kit's side? And yeah, the sides are a little wiggly. I didn't draw it right down the middle. So Kit's side. Because you were furious. Kit's side is a little bigger than Rory's side. And the line, his corner does contain, you know, the bathrooms and the dining hall and all that shit.

And mine is just the lavatories, the sewage disposal facilities, and a lot of the stuff that isn't that nice to be around. But what matters is this is our f***ing civil war. And by that I mean Marvel's civil war. Okay. Not the American one or any country's one. This is Cap versus Iron Man, and you have to pick a side. Are you a believer?

Are you a government agent? I've never believed more in UFOs in my life. I've never... I think we're... I think we're... For what it's worth, I think we're entering...

I'm going to put it out there, manifest right now. I think with everything that's going on in 2023, I think we're entering a golden age, brother. A golden age of UFO sightings and UFO understanding

I'm here for it I think you're entering the goddamn pentagon every morning at 9am to check into your desk we gotta wrap this

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All the links to everything. Socials, YouTube, Patreon are in the description of this episode. Just do the shout outs, man. I got to get out of here. All right, I will. Sorry, it's just, sorry, it takes me a second

and just loading them up. It's kind of awkward sitting in silence though, so I'll have to cut this out. Where do you want to go for lunch? I'm not even hungry, to be honest. There is a cap. Three pounds.

That's the most you're getting. I'll get you a meal deal. I'll get you a meal deal. And that's all you're going to get. Thanks to David Farinaccia. Thanks, David. Oh, come on. Come on.

Come on. Come on. Imagine these people get the worst shout outs because I'm so grumpy. Thanks, David. Who's next? No, we can't leave it there. David, thank you. David, pick a side, motherfucker.

Pick a side. Thank you for being part of the commune you're a valued member yeah but one side shall win and one side shall perish i'm gonna treat you normally so maybe you want to be on my side david he's not gonna believe in you that's for sure if you ask him for anything he's gonna give you a double no so just bear that in mind david when you're picking a side in the commune thank Thank you also. And lastly for today, to Tim Smith. Tim Smith, are you a blacksmith? Because the Rory side of the commune is low on tools. Low on tools and weapons and anything made of metal

because the way I drew the line, it's small. It's small over here. I basically drew a circle around myself and the rest of it is apparently kit. You can redraw the line. I don't want to. It's out of principle now. I don't have that big of a problem with you.

And now that I've got a blacksmith on my side, I'm just going to say, sleep with one eye open, baby. What? Just be careful. Because the Roranites are going to attack. Maybe you haven't finalized that name yet. The Rorians?

The Rorians, I like that. The Rorians? We're an angry bunch. You've riled us up. We're the kittens. We're a bit cuter that way. I cannot wait to see the form that this civil war takes uh maybe we'll do a poll over on socials nice idea or post about it in the secret society

on facebook where we have a great community of fans um we also have a reddit as well i always forget to shout out the reddit that this paranormal life reddit there's a bunch of great people over there uh talking about the weekly episodes uh thank you guys for joining us for this week's... Wow, that could have been a two-parter. That was an extravaganza. I hope you enjoyed it. It could have been a trilogy. Just watch it, all right?

I was making a nice joke. I wasn't making fun of you. Don't shoot my puppy in the back of the head and then make a little joke about it. All right, that's all I'm going to say. It's just like, I'm actually pretty upset right now and I'm feeling pretty down and you're making light of the situation. Okay.

You're just hungry. You're just hungry. And I appreciate you didn't make too many jokes about Shag Harbor or the Nickerson or Colonel Pound. But if you're going to say no, then I draw the line to making fun of the case. Okay. So that's all I'm going to say. Maybe we'll see you guys next week.

I haven't decided yet. Oh my God. This might be the end. Honestly. I don't know. I haven't decided yet oh my god this might be the end honestly i don't know i haven't decided yet i need to cool off i need like a snack and something just we actually have to record another episode today so that would be a really after lunch yeah and that's uh your episode am i right it is yeah we're recording one of your episodes yeah yeah after lunch that's good to know that's good to know. That's good to know. Hope it's believable. You've perked up because I'm feeling

pretty skeptical today, coincidentally. Yeah. We'll see how that goes down. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for listening to this week's episode. We'll be back with After Parties bonus episodes.

And of course, we'll be back next Tuesday for another paranormal tale. We love you. We'll see you then. Bye-bye! Tuesday for another paranormal tale. We love you. We'll see you then. Bye. Bye.