This Paranormal Life - #375 US Government Just Admitted EVERYTHING About UFOs

Episode Date: July 15, 2024

Breaking news —The US department of defence has released a report detailing everything it knows about UFOs from 1945 to the present day, and hoo-boy it’s a doozy. On this podcast we dive into these previously classified reports and pull out the wildest facts, like — the time the Canadian government stated alien UFOs are real and fly by ‘magnetism’, or when the US department of defence bought Skinwalker Ranch to investigate shadow beings(?!), and so much more. Join us as we figure out what’s really going on in the world of UFOs.Follow us on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTubeJoin our Secret Society Facebook CommunitySupport us on Patreon.com/ThisParanormalLife to get access to weekly bonus episodes!Buy Official TPL Merch! - thisparanormallife.com/storeIntro music by www.purple-planet.comEdited by Philip Shacklady Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

If UFOs have visited, what planet are they from? What if the aliens are already here and they're called Pigeons? Answers to these questions and more on this episode of... THIS PARANORMAL LIFE! Hello! Hey! And welcome back to this par... Alright, shit.

We don't have time for a regular intro, right? We gotta get right into it. Alright, let's go. Um, sorry, how are you doing today? So we't have time for a regular intro. We're gonna get right into it. All right, let's go. Um Sorry, how you doing today? So we do have time for well, I just want to be polite I just want to say we didn't have time and then you asked how my day. No, we don't. All right We got it. We're gonna get into this shit. All right. Well, first I got some more coffee in here Phil. What the fuck? Where's the coffee? How about we just introduce what the show is to maybe first-time listeners or people who aren't familiar with the format

F*** off if you're not new If you're new then get it Leave. Alright, is there time? If that's you, welcome. Welcome to the podcast. It's so nice to have you here at this paranormal life We investigate we investigate a brand new paranormal tale every week and we come to a conclusion as to whether or not it's true or false I'm gonna be cutting that from the edit. don't have time. We do have time. This is gonna be the longest episode yet We have untold numbers of information to get through. You've wasted so much time at the start Just take the cigarette out of your mouth by the way for a start. I can barely talk with it. Yeah, barely understand you

But I need it to get through I need the nicotine rush. It's not lit I threw up earlier just from the the fumes of an unlit cigarette in my mouth. It's because you lit the end that's supposed to be in your mouth and then just put the tobacco straight down your throat. That's not how you're supposed to have a cigarette. I'm having it cowboy style. All right, listen, sure.

Is this Paranormal Life, the weekly comedy podcast where every week we investigate a different paranormal tale from me, Kikuru Movena, this guy sitting across from me, Mr. Rory Pars, and try and get to at the end of the episode whether that case is really paranormal or not. Can we get started, please? All right, yes, I think we covered everything.

So I assume this week is- How are you doing today? Don't go back to that if we don't have time for introductions. I'm trying to be polite. I'm doing fine. If anything, I'm a little scared that today's episode is gonna be a little off the rails.

Okay, sorry. I've got off on the wrong foot. I need to calm it. We just got a big case today, but of course, yes, welcome if you are new to the podcast. You picked the wrong episode. You picked the wrong episode to join us. That's all I'll say. That's all I'll say. Because by the end of this episode, you're gonna be on a list, you're gonna be on a watch list, your family are gonna be duct taped to a rocket in Pyongyang.

All right? That is what is gonna happen if you continue listening. So be warned. I think a lot of people might tune out. So we'll say, you know, there's a chance that that could happen, but it's not guaranteed. Of course, if you are new,

you are welcome to this episode, but it's not guaranteed. Of course, if you are new, you are welcome to this episode, but I'm not really lying. Today is going to be slightly different to our normal investigation. Normally we've got some kind of cryptid ghost UFO case to investigate and we take our sweet time. We kind of meanders you like a little forest walk. Well, this time we're renting a dirt buggy

and speeding through that forest at 100 miles per... Mach 1 speed. Dirt buggies don't go 100 miles per hour. You're getting too bogged down in the details, all right? The dirt buggies on planet Zonkhtar that we're going to be talking about today, they do. Okay. It's finally here, Rory. What is? You need to slow down, Chief. The big kahuna.

The big kahuna. Remember? Last year, ladies and gentlemen, we hosted an emergency special episode, asking the question, has the alien invasion of Earth already begun? Right. At the time, that was an urgent question

because the world's head was spinning regarding reports of UFO sightings around the time, that was an urgent question, because the world's head was spinning regarding reports of UFO sightings around the world, not only by individuals, but even by the US government themselves. Okay. The US Air Force and the Pentagon were literally releasing videos of UFOs saying, we don't know what's happening here. Right. You remember that time?

That episode? No, just that time. Do you remember when those Pentagon videos of UFOs were dropping? Oh, it was a good time to be a paranormal investigator. As we say, it's a hard day for the skeptics when those videos dropped. It was very exciting. It really was. And to have these kind of government institutions also put their hands up and be like, yeah,

this is real, by the way, and we don't know what it is. That was very vindicating. Then it really popped off when David Grouch, a US government whistleblower, stepped forward saying, there is concrete evidence of UFOs and aliens, and the US government is hiding it. We laid it bare. If you're curious about that kind of part one of this whole expedition, please go back and listen. It's all on video, right?

And we watched a lot of the video evidence kind of in real time, Rory's reacting to a lot of it. And needless to say, that was a double yes as to whether aliens are invading Earth. It was. Really wasn't much of a debate at the end. We'd seen the videos and we came down on a yes. Now, Kate, you're telling me that since then, things have evolved even further? After David Grouch came along, that shook things up. And I think where we last left it was,

Congress were rattled in America and they started asking questions. Why don't we know more about this? And why shouldn't the public know more? So they demanded to know what was going on. They created an organization called the AARO or ARRO, the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office. The AARO said they were going to figure out what was going on and create two public reports. Well, the first

report is finally here. Whoa, Jesus! This is it, ladies and gentlemen. Listen up, f***s. This is a 60-plus page U.S. government report. It landed actually a couple of months ago, but I think we were too busy investigating the skunk ape to really focus on it. But we are now getting around to talking about it.

Holy shit, and you printed off the entire document? Yeah, a couple of California redwoods had to be sacrificed in the printing of this document. Yeah, you kind of threw it down on the table so hard it scattered the rest of your notes. I'm a bit rattle. You clearly don't know what's next. There's kind of tobacco everywhere as well, so I can't really see what the f*** is going on. I don't know why there are so many unsmoked cigarettes on the table.

I just need them there for ready access. Look, the government claim that this is everything we need to know. There's still room on the table. The government claim that this is everything we need to know about UFOs. It's a 60 page document rich with names, dates, theories, and declassified project names like Operation Tattletail and Project Twinkle. It's not super easy to read. That's why I have read it for you, the audience, so you don't have to.

And we are gonna dive in today, Rory, to what they have found out, what they have disclosed to the public. Volume one of this report essentially covers Roswell through to October last year. Then volume two is gonna cover literally just November last year to today. Don't ask me why, that's just the way they've done it. Okay. So if you are a longtime listener or if you're

listening for the first time and you've ever been curious about what the government actually knows about UFOs, this is the episode for you. We are going to start ripping this apart right after a couple of words from today's sponsors and a reminder that every episode is available ad free over at patreon.com forward slash this paranormal life. All right, where am I? God, stop grabbing everything on the table.

It's fine. We haven't even covered one bit of information yet and you're so stressed. I've just drank, I don't know if you can see, there's about 16 coffee cups on the table right now. I just stay up all night pulling this together. So basically this report lists the history of government UFO research in the order that it happened more or less and tries to sum up what they found. So let's start from the very beginning. Okay. It all started in 1948 and 1949 with Project Sine. The Second World War was over.

Roswell had just happened. As UFO sightings increased the government had to figure out what was going on. There had actually been an earlier Project Saucer in 1947, from when an Air Force pilot saw a UFO. That's not really a code name. That's not doing a lot of concealing, whatever the secret project is. But the results of Project Saucer were inconclusive and Project Sign is where it all got interest. Over a year of investigation they evaluated 243 reported UFO sightings and in February 1949 concluded that no definite and conclusive evidence is available to prove or disprove the existence of these unidentified objects as real aircrafts of unknown configuration. So Project Sign determined that nearly all sightings were caused by misinterpretation,

hysteria, hallucinations or hoaxes. So there you go Rory, the government investigation said it's all bullshit. Case closed. Open and close case. Or was it? Because this 2024 document goes on to say we have heard that that wasn't actually Project Sign's first report they filed. Allegedly, one year earlier in 1948, the staff of Project Sign drafted, signed and sent a report up the military chain for approval called the Estimate of

the Situation. The report concluded that UFOs were quote interplanetary in origin. But this was rejected by the Air Force Chief of Staff and it was never published. I love that their first report didn't even talk about whether or not they existed. It's like, so we think they come from the Andromeda galaxy. It's like, oh, so they are real? Oh, they're real. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We thought we were all pretty clear on that one. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, all right, chief, give us an update on everything. Cool. So we haven't quite figured if they have three tails or two. Sorry, what are we talking about? The overlords, the alien overlords?

Jesus man. So yeah, so we're currently working on Certain machinery that can infiltrate the Xantron armor system It's like what to kill the monsters from the sky of course like okay slow down slow down I think I missed a memo somewhere along the way. This report was never published. Captain Edward Ruppelt from Project Blue Book says all but two copies of the original report were destroyed. The AARO has been unable to verify these claims or locate the document.

This is just a taste of what this report here contains. If you read between the lines of everything here, you're going to get a hint of the truth. Right. We've only started and the US military back in 1948 said, quote, they are interplanetary. Yeah. The document says, this rejected report may have resulted in the Pentagon's loss of confidence in Project Sign. So Project Sign was cancelled and replaced with Project Grudge.

Okay. It was replaced with Project Compliance. It's like, okay, well then you can't just keep creating projects and if you don't like what the results are you shut them down. That's not really how this works. It's like, oh great findings, my fellow scientists. How about you get on with projects, shut the f*** up and do your job. How about that? Yeah, you guys should have signed up for project.

No better. No better than to waste my time with this. Even this right here says, many claim Project Grudge was biased towards debunking UFOs. Others say the entire purpose of Project Grudge was to explain away all reports of UFOs. Right. We're only getting started and I'm getting fired up. Then, in 1952, five years after Roswell, the Assistant Director of the Office of Special Investigations told the director of the CIA that quote something is going on with UFOs and that sightings of unexplained objects at great altitudes and speeds are not natural phenomena or known types of vehicles.

Wow, isn't it crazy that this had to be such a conversation this early in the 1900s? Isn't it nuts that all the crazy UFO headlines that we've had in recent years are just exactly what they already knew 72 years ago. Almost a hundred years ago! It's wild and I don't know much about the history of the world, but I assume at this point air travel was still in the process of being two guys using a bicycle to power wings and ride off a cliff. Not a million miles away.

Primitive. I like the idea that kind of, it is convenient that all of this research really kicked off as soon as the war ended. After the war, there was a lot of now irrelevant people who really didn't wanna to lose their jobs. And it's like, hey, war's over, so generals, colonels, you're dismissed.

And they're like, oh, well, shit, no, no, no, because, oh, well, yes, the Earth War is done. The Earth War for sure, your highness, but oh, we are only beginning the War of the Skies, right, guys, right? And they're like, yes, yeah, we're gonna have to actually double defense spending because of the sky wars. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The president's like, I guess I won't be needing you guys anytime soon, but we'll let you know if anything comes up. And he's like, sure, sure. Well, I guess you don't need any help with the giant bugs that are coming. See you later, president. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What was that you said?

Huh? Oh yeah, you know, just the giant bugs that told us they're coming to invade. He's like, why don't you take a seat, General? I think we need to know a little more about this. Like, oh, well, if you say so. All right, Rory, you've been very patient. You might recognize the next page in this report, Project Blue Book. Hey, a crowd favorite. Why don't you remind the audience what Project Blue Book is in case they don favorite. Why don't you remind the audience what Project Blue Book is in case they don't know? This was one of the first ever task forces

assembled to investigate UFOs led by an individual called Dr. J. Alan Heineck, who has appeared in a lot of our cases before as being one of the more reputable members of UFO investigations that was being commissioned by the government reputable members of UFO investigations that was being commissioned by the government. Yes, kind of a strange one. You know, we're already talking about very biased and bullshit government reports

and projects set up to investigate UFOs. But Project Blue Book, strangely, has popped up so often because that it was reputable. And that for some reason, because of J. Alan Hynek's work and reputation, we kind of trust him to a certain extent. Yeah. And in many ways, because he does pop up so often, and in cases that he really didn't have to,

he seemed to have a pretty open mind about what cases he did investigate. Yeah, and a blank checkbook, apparently, because they were just sending him everywhere. And Rory, you're not wrong. There were a lot of investigations under Project Blue Book. Of the 12,618 sightings in Project Blue Book's holdings, only 701 were unidentified and never solved. Although that is still a pretty massive amount of cases

that were not identified. Yeah. The report says there was no evidence indicating that these sightings were extraterrestrial vehicles. However, in their own words, they go on to say that J. Alan Hynek himself said that the Air Force, quote, expected him to be a debunker. And Captain Ruppelt, the first chief of Blue Book, later wrote he was expected to explain away every report, and the Air Force wanted the press to say what they wanted them to say.

Right. I mean, they definitely hired the wrong guy for that job then, because he was not only very interested in UFOs, but I think reasonably open-minded. Yeah. I mean, even from what we've just heard there, the press were like, Dr. Hynek, Dr. Hynek, how's the investigation going? He's like, f***ing bulls***. They're telling me I can't say whatever I want to say. The Air Force is like, don't f***ing say it! Don't say it out loud!

He's like, what are you going to do? Kill me? I just told them you might kill me. Oh, damn it. Why did we hire such a wild card? I think this was the kind of organization that was quickly replaced by Operation Closed Book Where every inquiry was shut down immediately So there you go as early as the 50s UFO reports were being created only to debunk and disprove It kind of makes perfect sense though doesn't it like okay get these very smart people look into this thing research Whatever you want and you can know the truth as long as at the end of it all,

the last words say it's not real. Yeah, because that's, the smartest scientists know that the right answer is agreeing with the guy with the gun. Yeah, yeah. That's really the smartest answer to any question asked. Jumping forward into the 90s,ory and according to press reports, President Bill Clinton tasked the former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger to find out if the U.S. government

had aliens or alien technology. Clinton said publicly later, As far as I know, an alien spacecraft did not Clinton, Rory, because he got the Air Force to make two reports about Roswell. Do you wanna know the findings? Yeah, I didn't know he did this. The first was called the Roswell Report, case closed. The second was, don't ask again. Ha ha ha ha ha. Gun cocking noise.

Ha ha ha. I wonder how fast into this report, like how many pages or paragraphs you get into this report before they use the word balloon, right? Like how far would you get? Three lines? You open it up, you're like, it's a picture. It's a picture of a balloon. It's a picture of the house from up. It's just a big house attached to a balloon.

The report concluded that the debris recovered near Roswell was from the Air Force's balloon program. There we go, balloon program? What are they? Children's entertainers, clowns, why is there a program? They have just soldiers just creating balloon giraffes in the speed it takes to kind of deconstruct or construct a gun. The alleged alien bodies found in the New Mexico desert

were test dummies that were on board these high-altitude balloons. What? How did I never hear this report? This is insane. Reports of military units that recovered a flying saucer and its crew were just Air Force personnel engaged in recovering the dummies. Uh, it goes on. Claims of quote-unquote alien bodies at the Air Force Hospital were most likely confusion

with a 1959 manned balloon crash where two pilots were injured. Uh, seems a little strange to me, Roy, that people would get confused with a crash that wouldn't happen for 12 years after Roswell. They're bringing up stuff as well that no one was even asking about. Most people wouldn't know. It's like, what? And just so we tackle the rumors of the alien bodies that were brought to a hospital after the crash,

it's like, the what? No one mentioned that. Is that fucking wild? Because yes, some people were saying that they heard stories about one of the creatures that were brought to the hospital, looking a nurse in the eyes and telepathically exploding her head. That was a balloon. That was another balloon, a third one. It was, her head didn't pop so much as a blood just burst out of her nose.

Yeah. Yeah, which is a human thing. That's fine. Yeah, just I was cracking up reading this just at the quote unquote alien bodies, quote unquote flying saucer and its crew. Yeah, like it's this is wild. It's accidentally confirmed so many rumors. Yeah, that we've discussed like when we did our Roswell investigation, I'm pretty sure at that point, the idea of bodies turning up at a hospital was only anecdotal at that point. It was like the sister of the nurse who worked at the hospital said something weird came in the hospital that day. Yeah, and then a nurse was never seen again or something, you know, but they're actually

explaining it like it happened. Explaining it like it happened, but then explaining how it didn't really happen. Yeah, that's so strange. And explaining that like, I just don't get that. They're saying a saucer with two aliens in it didn't crash. It was a balloon with two pilots in it. Filled with fake dudes. Filled with fake dudes in it 12 years later.

Yeah. What do you make, Rory, of this official Roswell explanation? This is so wild that with this new information, I feel like we need to go back to the Roswell case and open it up. Because I think we did give it a double yes at the end of the episode,

but it would only confirm my belief in the paranormal in that instance, knowing what we know now. I like think of the timing of this. Like I said, it now. I'm like, think of the timing of this. Like I said, it all, I said it, the first f***ing reports were created in 1947, 1948. You know when Roswell happened? 1947!

So they just started getting interested in UFOs, commissioning UFO reports, just happened to be the same year as Roswell. Yeah, that is a little suspicious. They were like, it wasn't a UFO, it was a weather balloon. The other announcement for the day, we are setting up a UFO task force. Called Project Saucer.

But it wasn't a saucer, it was a balloon. Why did we call it Project Balloon? If it was a balloon, that's wild. God damn it, I'm getting fired up. Rory, jumping quite a bit further towards the present day in this report we then have the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, otherwise known as AATIP. This ran from 2009 to 2012. This was the next big government program. Now the purpose of ATIP was apparently to investigate potential next generation aerospace technologies in areas such as advanced lift, propulsion, unconventional materials and controls etc. Okay. All very futuristic stuff. Yeah but all human,

you know that's just that's just crafts that we could possibly make or other countries could possibly make. But was that a cover, Rory? Because it goes on to say their job was to review new cases of potential new technologies, as well as old cases, including Project Blue Book. Okay. Now, interestingly, this was carried out by a private contractor.

If you're... Sorry, sorry to interrupt, but if your task force is involved in investigating futuristic air travel, you shouldn't be looking into cases from the 80s. Hahaha! From the 50s! That's all I'm saying! From the 50s! Yeah, it's like, wow, so you're on the cutting edge of technology. No, we're looking at shit from the 40s that hit the desert. It's like, what?

It's like, but to be clear, those guys didn't discover anything new. No, no, no, no, no. That shit was all fake. That was all, what do we say, hallucinations? But also we needed a brand new cutting edge task force to figure out what those hallucinations were. They think we are stupid.

All right, calm down, buddy. This is whoo, I am getting fired up. Can we get some Hennessy in here? Can we get some 1942 on the rocks? Ladies and gentlemen, this is interesting because this was actually carried out by a private contractor. So not an internal government department. Oh.

Right? That's suspicious, who was the private contractor? This is where things get very, very strange. This project, known as ATIP, also investigated an alleged hotspot of UFO and paranormal activity. This is the first use of the word paranormal, by the way, in this document. At a property in Utah, which at the time was owned by the head

of this organization. This next sentence is verbatim from this government report, by the way. Insane. They examined reports of shadow figures and creatures and they explored remote viewing and human consciousness anomalies. The organization planned to hire psychics to study interdimensional phenomena that was believed to frequently appear at this location in Utah. Rory, can you think off the top of your head of a property in Utah they might be talking about? Is this a ranch perhaps? There's not a lot else other than kind of ranch land in Utah, right?

Alright, I assume they are referring to a location known as Skinwalker Ranch. Oh my god, sound the alarm! We need a Skinwalker Ranch alarm in the studio. That honestly appears in this document. They mention Skinwalker Ranch. So just to quickly recap, one of the government's latest advanced aerospace organizations owned Skinwalker Ranch? Were sent to investigate shadow people.

Interdimensional beings. This is a US government report. That's insane. being handed to Congress. That's insane. Hey, I like hearing, you know, not just UFOs, but paranormal being brought up in this document. That's very cool. Because as you know, if you're watching the video,

you can see by the wall of evidence behind me that we have pages up here from famous FBI and CIA declassified operations, such as the Gateway Project, We have pages up here from famous FBI and CIA declassified operations such as the Gateway Project, which was all about remote viewing and kind of psychic mind reading and that kind of stuff. So it's cool to see it living on in these files. The X-Files is real. Oh, it is genuinely real.

The X-Files is 100% real. So, only 10 years ago, God knows what's happening now, but we have, only 10 years ago, God knows what's happening now, but we have proof that 12 years ago, there were US government employees researching shadow people. That is crazy. They were at Skinwalker Ranch,

only five years before this podcast started, and we started talking about Skinwalker Ranch. That's wild. They were on site, trying to find interdimensional beings. A little disappointing, because I think we gave Skinwalker Ranch a triple no, because it was a guest episode. We were like, damn, that was stupid.

But it is a very interesting place. Yeah, I love that we were like, should we spend the money going to this location? Nah, it's fake as hell. Whereas the bit that I'm hung up on here spend the money going to this location? Nah, it's fake as hell. Whereas... The bit that I'm hung up on here is they said that this organization owned the property. I wonder who owns it now. Did they buy Skinwalker Ranch?

Do you remember it was for sale? Yes. The guy tried to sell it. Yeah. The guy who said he killed an alien with a katana. With a samurai sword. And he's posting bloody photos of a samurai sword on Facebook. It would have been hard to sell, to be fair. Oh my god. That is wild. Interestingly, AATIP was later cancelled,

no shit, but the report says there are some investigators inside the Department of Defense today who carry on AATIP investigations unofficially. Oh shit, that's cool! And they are researching UFO sightings within the military just on their own time. So you could be like in the Pentagon or something and someone recites the sacred mantra like tip of the iceberg, tip of the iceberg, and they open their chest and they still have like a little arrow or a triangle or something? Yeah. Kind of tattooed on their flesh. Yeah, it's so odd that they're allowed to do this. It literally says in the report they're trying to

solve these mysteries just on their own time aside from their normal duties. Yeah, is that allowed? Are you allowed to moonlight as a paranormal investigator if you work in the US government? I guess they're just treating it like a cold case in a police department. I don't know how police departments work. I don't think you can just spend time. But I guess the idea is if you have security clearance to view those documents and if they're just like, yeah, there's just no one assigned to this right now. I think, no, I think you're still not allowed to do that because you're not allowed to misuse

your access to that stuff. Well, you are in the Department of Defense. That's like being a cop and you're like, and 5 p.m. all right, I'm clocking off for the night. I'm gonna do a background check on my ex-wife Sandra. Yeah, I'm gonna use my gun for crime. I still got access to the guns, so I can kind of do what I want with it.

But it's not really that, is it? It's just trying to figure out, it's trying to further a program that they've stopped funding. Yeah, that's true, that's true. It's not as dramatic as that. Depends on the way you look at it, definitely. You know, if you were paid by the government

to secure the facility where the mutants are chained up in the basement underground, when it hits 5.30, 6 p.m., you're not allowed to go down and have a beer with the mutants. You know, it's not allowed. You're playing chess in the basement with a clone of baby Albert Einstein. You win again, baby Einstein. See you next week. Goo goo gaga. I'm not going to go easy on you tomorrow when I got to put my security hat back on. Yeah, you really are smart. At this point, things went off the rails a bit with A-Tip. Right before the program was cancelled, if you want to know what got them cancelled, in 2012, A-Tip proposed, stay with me here, hosting celebrity debates discussing aliens landing on Earth

that would avoid having to show any evidence or proof for aliens existing. What? Sounds a hell of a lot like this paranormal life to be honest. Inviting on celebrity guests to talk about the paranormal? I am genuinely questioning who was this? Who what what was this company? Yeah who commissioned these people who paid for this genuine question? Was this Tom DeLong's to the Stars Academy? Because who is this that is simultaneously investigating the paranormal but also like pitching like TV shows

Yeah, yeah. So odd. And like, because didn't he brag, he was like, I have contacts in the government and stuff, so it could be. So I haven't done it for today, but I think I'm gonna have to do some deep diving into like, it's probably classified,

but like, can we find out who bought Skinwalker Ranch? Is it Skinwalker Ranch you're talking about, or is it a different Utah paranormal hotspot? Should I Google it? Should we just see if there's an easy answer? Who owns Skinwalker Ranch? Oh wow, this is quite interesting. Apparently, it is owned by an individual

called Brandon Fugal, or Fugal, which I think we maybe have talked about before, but famously, he's known as being a TV director. Okay. So this would make sense that he's like, look, I do want to investigate the paranormal, but my expertise is in television production. Is there a way we can kind of successfully incorporate these two worlds?

So we need to look more into this guy's backstory or like... Yeah. Because, as I said, the organization that was running ATIP, the government contract, it's a private company and they own Skinwalker Ranch. Well, we think it's Skinwalker Ranch. How crazy. If you're listening and you're some kind of forensic

Reddit user, feel free to deep dive into this and let us know what you find. I want to get this guy on the podcast. Sorry, I'm getting a little worked up here myself now. I might need a couple of cigarettes. Are any of these spare? They're all spare, brother. I haven't lit a single one.

You know what, Roy? This is a natural point for a cigarette break. So let's just load up. All right. All right, so mostly. You're gonna need the nicotine because it keeps you on inch, keeps you buzzing. If you let your guard down for too long.

Woo, okay, that feels good. They want you breathing their earth air. All right, so me and Rory are gonna have a quick cigarette break and we're gonna dive into the rest of this absolutely insane report and there is a lot more to come, a lot more smoking guns to come in the rest of this episode after a quick word from today's sponsors.

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Out now wherever you get your podcasts. Acast helps creators launch, grow and monetize their podcasts everywhere. Acast.com. Okay, we're back. One other reason why this report today is interesting is because one of its missions was to also investigate what other countries around the world have figured out about UFOs. Ah, I see. That's smart. We're sitting in London right now in England, but we're talking about America It's because America is kind of like I mean it is the dominant superpower of like our time growing up in the 90s and the 2000s But they are most synonymous with UFO research UFO landings and potential cover-ups, but that is Absolutely not to say that other governments haven't been looking into this. And it is really tantalizing to think about, you know, we might be hounding the US government

for information about these things when it could be Germany, that a craft landed there that they're not telling anyone about. Yeah, I mean, hey, we've covered a lot of UFO stories in a lot of places before Japan Korea Russia all over the world And you know depending on the location sometimes you'll hear more or less info based on how strict the government is Well for reasons that we're gonna explain later. It doesn't seem like we have Absolutely full access to what other governments are saying, But we do have a certain amount of insight. For example, we can say that the United Kingdom had a flying saucer working party in 1950 to 1951, and they concluded that flying saucers did not exist.

The French government had three comprehensive investigatory programs from 1988 to 2004. When it dissolved, they concluded the vast majority of cases have ordinary explanations, while 28% of the caseload remains unsolved. It's not the vast majority. One third remains an unexplainable galactic mystery. But mostly, it's pretty normal.

But Rory, if you thought I was about to start rhyming off a list of countries saying that they agree with America that aliens don't exist Canada had project magnet in 1950 to 1954 project magnet assess that UFOs are Extraterrestrials hell yes, and that they fly by magnetism extraterrestrials and that they fly by magnetism. Ooh, that's interesting. Head of the project, Wilbert Smith said he was in personal contact with extraterrestrial beings through telepathy. Ooh, don't know about that one.

You're losing me, Wilbert. In an interview in 1961, he claimed that in 1952, the US Air Force lent him a piece of a UFO to study. Alright, take the mic from Wilbert here. No, no, no, no, he's a hero, he's a hero. He claimed that the UFO fragment was composed of magnesium or thosolate. The Canadian government then closed the project, saying there were no definitive results from the research.

Smith later went on the record saying that "...my beliefs concerning UFOs are mine alone and not the government's." The project was shut down shortly after Wilbert made a set of arms like Doc Ock from Spider-Man 2 and tried to overthrow Toronto. They were like, okay, shut down the project. We shouldn't have given him a piece of the craft. What the clean f*** happened there? I don't know.

Why would the US government give him a piece of a craft? That seems strange. It seems very un-American sharing. Yeah. I think it makes sense, broadly speaking, that we now have proof the Americans were working on this consistently from the late 40s onwards. They've denied that they recovered any fragments of a craft, but pretty interesting that Canada, their one project into this, they are saying they handed us a piece of a craft. Yeah, that is very strange. I think it's not that weird to imagine them sharing confidentially stuff for research.

And we might hear later on about some more sharing going on. Ooh. But as to whether this is true, I mean, it's a little hard to know. I mean, on the one hand, he started off as the head of the Department of Transport at the time, and then was put on this project. It does feel a little wacky that he was saying he's communicating by telepathy with the creatures, but... Yeah, that's a bit far. But it also feels like in line with everything we've seen up to now, which is as soon as

someone says the UFOs are real, the project has ended and they get taken off the project and they have to say that none of it ever happened. Yes, that part does check out. It's hard, being a paranormal investigator is hard because you want to be on the same side as the investigators and these individuals, but it's a slippery slope where someone who you do agree with then also has a very bizarre take

that you don't agree with. Yeah, like it is, I will concede with an open mind that it is possible that they put Wilbert Smith on this because he was well up for it because he loves aliens. Yeah. And then he got a little too deep once his job became researching aliens. Yeah, he went off the deep end a little bit. Yeah. Yeah.

He's like, I've been actually, uh, speaking telepathically with my wife. Did I mention I'm married to the alien? We have things, things have escalated very quickly, but in my defense on their planet, a second is a hundred years. So we're moving quite slow traditionally. He's in like a government cross-examination interview. Of course, on their planet, you have sex telepathically. I'm banging my wife as we speak. Oh okay, shut this down, shut this thing down. He's like well I think you can all see that aliens are real because my wife is standing right here. And then he's like you you don't see her? I'm the only one? Okay take me off the project.

You don't see her? I'm the only one? Okay, take me off the project. I've clearly gone too far. Take me off the project. Rory, at this point in the report, it more or less brings us up to the present day. But we are kind of by no means done, because it is, of course, the present day, the last few years, that have kicked off everything, everything that created this report. Thank you iPhones. You're the ones that really jobs. Yeah. For readily available high definition cameras and internet connections. The report goes on at this point to say that two narratives

have emerged in the present day about alien visitation on Earth. And so they basically go on to do a little bit like we just said with Roswell, where they tell you everything that allegedly happened. They kind of go on to recap the last couple of years in a pretty blindingly wild way that includes details that I had absolutely, and most people probably had no idea about.

I'm very excited about this. It is a roller coaster ride, so if anyone is sitting at home drinking, get the bottle of Jack Daniels ready, you're going to need a couple shots. I need another cigarette. Alright. Hold up. So, it has been alleged that the US government and industry partners are in possession of, and are testing, off-world technologies that

have been concealed from Congressional oversight and the world since 1964 and possibly 1947 if the Roswell events are included. This narrative asserts that the UAP program possesses as many as 12 extraterrestrial spacecrafts. One individual that the AARO interviewed claimed that an organization was in possession of 12 spacecrafts recovered from different crash events before 1970 and that some of these crafts are intact. Intact? We're talking lightly used one lady owner 90,000 miles on the clock. Still lots of years

left in it. They're like, so you're saying that members of the US government have seen aliens? And they're like, we actually think some members of the US government are aliens. Yeah, they can shape shift. Have members of the US government seen aliens? Some of them are driving spacecrafts to work every day. Seen them? Yeah, they own a f***ing mirror. Yeah.

Have you seen the Pentagon car park? It looks like the landing bay in Tatooine. It's just X-wing after Y-wing after Star Destroyer. The interviewee alleges that the CIA had a partnership with this company that ended in 1989, and they wanted all the materials returned to the CIA. The AARO discovered no evidence supporting these claims. ended in 1989 and they wanted all the materials returned to the CIA. The AARO discovered no evidence supporting these claims. Another person they interviewed claimed that this organization was in possession

of off-world material in 2009 and 2010. Another interviewee stated that they participated in negotiations to return the crafts to the U US government. What? The same interviewee claimed that a named senior CIA official quashed the proposal to remove a spacecraft from this corporation. So we're getting into the nitty gritty here of not only do the crafts exist, but we're getting into interviewees arguing about who has ownership over them and when negotiations took place for who was going to take ownership of them. What are these companies that were given the crafts to work on? Because you can't exactly drop this off at your local garage

for like a checkup or an oil change. Yeah, I mean this gets back to, I'm glad you brought this up, this gets back to something David Grouch talked about, which was these government whistleblowers claim that in order to keep this stuff a secret, the government cleverly distributed different technologies between private companies. So they will have given certain stuff they have to Boeing,

certain stuff to Lockheed Martin, certain stuff to other private companies with airtight NDAs. And almost a situation where each company didn't have enough of the puzzle to really know what they were working with. But it's kind of a smart way of doing things, right? You tell one company to reverse engineer one bit, another company to reverse engineer another bit, but the central government organization pretty much knows what's going on.

Yes, yeah. but the central government organization pretty much knows what's going on. Yes, yeah. You gotta be careful who you send what, cause you don't want to send Lockheed Martin part of the ray gun, cause they're like, you guys aren't getting this back. It's like, why did we send them the weapon? We should have sent them a steering wheel or something.

Yeah, send them the cup holder. Yeah. Send the science nerds all the weaponry and then send all the army guys like, yeah, the coasters. This concept is really in line with stories we've heard from other UFO whistleblowers. Think of someone like a Bob Lazar, not a controversial figure, but his story was pretty much exactly this, but years before, uh, it kind of came out with David Grouch.

He claims that you were basically brought in as an engineer into a hanger. They showed you a glowing orb and they were like, you have 36 hours to reverse engineer the gravitational magnetic field from this. Yeah. 36 hours later, they wouldn't have revealed jack shit and they'd be like, okay, your contract is terminated. Here's your pay. Goodbye.

Right. That thing could power the spaceship or keep the ice cold in the cooler. Yeah. You don't know. You have no idea. Cause you're only being shown a sliver. Yes. The work is so compartmentalized that no one really knows what's going on.

One interviewee claimed that in 1999, a senior US military officer told him that he touched the surface of an extraterrestrial spacecraft and that he gave them a detailed description of a craft floating in a building. They said that approximately 150 people were working on this program. They're like it is still up for debate whether or not that claim is true, but on one hand, he does have 21 fingers. So it could be possible. One former US service member said in 2009 he was on a humanitarian mission in a foreign

country and he saw US special forces loading containers onto a large spacecraft. All right we can skip this one. I don't know what's real or not anymore. I need another cigarette. It kind of goes on and on with more and more just countless inside the US government sources claiming to have had first or secondhand contact with alien technology. But there is one I need to bring up here Roy, because it will interest you. Okay. It has a whole section on what they call the secondary narrative. They say there is a prominent narrative that a cluster of UFO sightings occurred in close

proximity to US nuclear facilities, specifically at the Malmstrom US Air Force Base. Hello. All right, let's do it. Get me a couple more cigarettes. I need another beer. Come on, let's get fired up here, brother. Yes, yes, this is what I am here for. So the AARO, as part of this investigation,

they interviewed five former US Air Force members who served at Malmstrom. Some of these individuals claim to see UFOs at the silos, others claim UFO disruptions to the missile operations, saying that the launch control facilities went offline or total power failure. Control to the ICVMs were completely disconnected for a period of time that was unprecedented! Unprecedented in military history!

Additionally, one interviewee and an Air Force videographer claimed to have observed and recorded a UFO destroying a missile loaded with a dummy warhead mid-flight. Wow! The AARO is researching activity related to these events. Rory, you can talk about Malmstrom. Did we know that there's supposed to be footage of UFOs exploding a missile? We absolutely didn't know that. And I think even in my case,

we talked about AARO and their investigation into UFOs, and they said hey there's nothing we didn't find anything so this is even new news to me uh that was not included in any of the original reports I actually think behind me on the wall we have some of the declassified reports that came out of Malmstrom and if you haven't listened to that episode you need to because that is a yes if I ever heard one Kit did give it a no for sure but he shouldn't have because the evidence is here it's being talked about even in this case I mean if I had had an air force video of a UFO blasting a missile to smithereens it might have

been a yes uh and to be clear this happened in 1966, is that right? So, you know, there were not Russian drones kicking about at that time. Where's Malmstrom? Do we have it on the wall? Oh, that's a page from it, right there. Probably at the other half of the page, you got so excited. So that is the AARO's description of,

I guess, everything that's happened in the last couple of years. Wow. There is so much. It's worth honestly recapping on everything that has happened, all the allegations and claims. The AARO say that they are going to reveal fully their findings about these narratives in volume two, which probably will be in the near future. There is a funny line there where they say that because a lot of the in volume two, which probably will be in the near future.

There is a funny line there where they say that, because a lot of the interviewees claim that they were not able to speak out about what they've seen because an NDA said they would be given the death penalty if they spoke about it. The ARO clarify and say the death penalty is actually just standard for US government NDAs. So that isn't a weird thing. What? I had no idea.

Apparently. That's crazy. That gives you even less faith in the government. They're revealing secrets that if you told the public about you'd have to be killed. Executed. Yeah. Rory, we're almost at the end, but there is a couple of beautiful tidbits in this report. At one point they say that one organisation claims to have a fragment of a craft from a UFO crash in the 40s or 50s, this organisation claimed that the material could act as a frequency waveguide and could exhibit anti-gravity and mass reduction properties. At this point in the paragraph you're going, sure, we've investigated lots of wackos who claim to have a lot of wacko technology.

But not the next bit! This organisation negotiated an agreement in 2019 with the US Army for them to analyse these samples, and the AARO has acquired this sample to conduct more in-depth analysis. So to be completely clear, the army negotiated to buy a piece of an alien aircraft to test it. Right. And now they're claiming that it's just a regular metal alloy. Yeah.

I'm sorry, do I need to repeat that again? So they're going, oh, it's fine. It's real metal. But you bought it from them. Right. Because you wanted to test it. Which implies you are suspicious and believed that it was from an alien spacecraft.

Is that not saying the quiet bit out loud? Am I taking crazy pills? I love that it's like, as soon as they buy it, they were like, no, it was garbage. It was garbage. It's like, didn't you pay 21 million for the safe delivery of this grab a medal just precautions you know we just got to be careful but it was it was garbage it was nothing it was a balloon with a man in it this is the thing that

drives me crazy reading this is they're like Skinwalker Ranch that was a bunch of baloney didn't you buy it yeah we did buy it for a while. Just to investigate, make sure. Right, yeah. And say, you know, hey, these fragments of crafts, guys, be real. Didn't you buy a fragment of a craft? Yeah. It's like, yeah, yeah, well, we just had to be sure.

Hey, look at any alleged UFO crash in the history of the world. Everyone turns out to be a weather balloon or some other kind of like nonsense, but how come every time there's a crash, within minutes there are F1 fighter jets arriving at the location, implying they think it could be something? Like there are trucks of men shoving civilians out of the way with AK-47s. It's like, alright, well why are you doing that if then you also are telling everyone that there is absolutely no chance that this is a UFO? It doesn't add up.

It doesn't add up! Here's another mad one, stay with me. Remember when I described that one, ATIP, the people who owned Skinwalker Ranch, potentially? Well when ATIP was cancelled, supporters within government proposed that it be replaced with something called Project Kona Blue, which would continue investigating

UFOs, paranormal research, and reverse engineering off-world spacecrafts. That one's weirdly specific. That one is very specific. It's like, yeah, we want to put together a task force to examine paranormal phenomenon, remote viewing,

and the specimen in lab 42. It's like, oh, okay, that last one was a little weird. Can we be a little broader? Can we talk a little bit more about it? No, just, sorry, yeah, and just someone to look at the labs. Look after what's in the labs. It's like, all right, well, even that one's a bit weird. How much stuff do we have in the labs?

Like, honestly, one to 41 is all fine. It's really 42 that we could have a whole task force on that guy. Yeah, the conscious one. Yeah. This project was initially commissioned to get started, We could have a whole task force on that guy. Yeah, the conscious one. Yeah. This project was initially commissioned to get started, but then eventually rejected by the Department

of Homeland Security for lacking merit. Why would they need a project to reverse engineer alien spacecrafts if alien spacecrafts don't exist? Right, yeah, yeah. Roy, that truly brings us up to the present day and pretty much to the end of our report. There's so many nuts takeaways from this thing. I think if I have one overriding question about this whole thing and the government's whole attitude towards UFOs is they keep maintaining all throughout that every single report that gets created,

well, it was not definitive. It was not enough evidence to say conclusively whether aliens existed. Then why, oh why, are every three or four years they commission a new government task force and report into whether they're true or not? Right, because even the most skeptical people by the end need to be replaced with a new task force

of people who've never seen this shit before. I love that Kit is only now picking up the 60 page report that he decided to print, threw down at the table at the start of the episode, and then continue to not touch for the next hour. I'm sorry, you don't want this in your conspiracy wall? threw down at the table at the start of the episode and then continued to not touch for the next hour. I'm sorry, you don't want this in your conspiracy wall? We can, we'll pick and choose.

Some of this will be on the wall, for sure. This could be a good, that's actually a really good Patreon raffle prize. We can staple it together and be like, an autographed copy of the official Arrow report. That's genuinely pretty cool. Not bad. Well, maybe give away some cigarettes too.

I don't know if that's legal, but you're going to need them if you read that thing. Yeah. Half a bottle of whiskey and some cigarettes. It's yeah, basically a kind of paranormal investigators breaking case of emergency pack. Right. A bottle of Jim Beam, a CIA report

and a pack of Marlboro's. And a loaded revolver. For who's going to kicked on your door. Roy, where's your head at? It's a yes. Whoa. Are we at conclusions yet? It's of course a yes.

Yeah, and I'll actually say double yes. I don't know if I have the authority to do that, but I'll do it. Sure. I'll let you yank it off me. Yeah, 100. Weird. I'm not yanking kid off it is a double yes because because we're we talked about irrefutable evidence right here today on the podcast over close to 80 years worth of reports of UFOs documented in the US government. Hey, if you at this point do not believe there is something paranormal going on, you ain't paying attention. That's

what I'll say. It's the same thing I mentioned back when we discovered David Gruesche's claims back in the day. We are approaching a Galileo moment, ladies and gentlemen, where we are gonna figure out that not only we're not at the center of the universe and that we revolve around the sun, that we are not in the center of the universe as intelligent species. There's something, something has been here at some point.

And maybe it's crash landed and maybe, sure, they have aliens hanging out in Area 51 to this day, or maybe they've just visited and the government isn't admitting everything that they know, know. Or maybe it's even more chilled out. Maybe it's like these stories. It's a literal piece of scrap metal that just managed to hit Earth after eons of traveling through space. That's what it could be. We don't know. It could be that small. You know, it is interesting that I mentioned David Grouch and his claims haven't been fully kind of vindicated or disproven at this point, but him and everybody involved and all UFO

paranormal investigators, they were extremely disappointed by this report. And I'll tell you why. Because whenever it was commissioned by Congress, it had a beautiful goal in mind. It was pretty aggressive, the wording. They were like, you need to commission a report that will force the government to investigate every single incident,

contact other world governments, and get them to hand over all their evidence of UFOs. But crucially, that it would get them to have an independent organization create this thing, independent to the US government. That is not what happened. That was gonna happen. And then the language closer and closer to the time

got watered down and watered down. Right, it could be a sub-department of the US government. You know, we actually have a couple of guys who are pretty into this kind of thing. Maybe they could be on the board. Yeah. Yeah. And it's just every high ranking colonel in the Pentagon is like, yeah, we're gonna actually take a swing

at this arrow thing. You guys don't need to, you guys go home, clock off early. And remember, if you break an NDA, we'll kill you. Just a little reminder. He says that live on CNN. David Grouch called it like the biggest legislative failure in American history or something like that. Unfortunately, it's the reason why you have to take this all with a grain of salt.

It's the reason why it always ends on the same conclusion. Yes. No evidence, no evidence, no evidence. Look, we said it on the Malmstrom UFO case. Getting a report about aliens existing from the government is like asking for a hamburger recommendation from Ronald McDonald. He's going to tell you McDonald's is the best hamburger

because he's a little bit biased. He's a little bit biased. Guys, a little bit of a strange case. Thank you for sticking with us through this investigation. You know, we like to have fun in this paranormal life. We are a comedy podcast first and foremost, but sadly, our brains have been zapped, melted, flambéed and sauteed by years of investigating the paranormal to the point where we care not. We care a lot about what's happening.

It's true. Frustratingly true. And in seven years of making the show, shit's got real interesting lately. So occasionally, even though we like to have fun on the show, it is also fun to dive into this together and try and figure out what's going on, make sense of it. And if there is something really happening out there, hopefully bring it to you guys and tell you about it, teach you about it. Yeah. You know, things have really escalated when you start this podcast by investigating creatures like the Goat Man, and then seven years later you have to end podcasts by saying,

and just so you know, my mental health is fine and if I disappear or am found dead in the next two weeks it was not a suicide. Thanks for listening to this week's episode everyone. It's, yeah, that's where we are now. two weeks it was not a suicide. Thanks for listening to this week's episode everyone. Yeah that's where we are now. But thank you so much for listening to this episode. It's been a blast to research. I'm gonna get some sleep now I think. Probably smoke a couple more cigs before we get done and who knows maybe we'll make it a throuple. Maybe we'll make it a three-parter, this being the second part, because that next report is coming. I don't know what's going to be in it, but I know there's going to be something saucy buried in there.

Right, something saucery buried in there. Project saucery. And maybe this is only wet your appetite for UFO research, so why not head over to patreon.com forward slash this paranormal life if you can't get your fix because there's even more Investigations over there. Hell. Yeah a ton of UFO cases along with cryptids ghosts hauntings curses and our weekly bonus episode the after party where we talk about all the behind-the-scenes of making this show and Crucially all the extra bits that didn't make it into the episode. Oh, glad you've teed me up Roy, because I pretty much forgot just then, but there is a hard to believe I know, but there's things I didn't manage to get to in this case for lack of time. But why don't I jump over to the after party after this and we'll talk about it.

We have a letter. I actually have it right here. A letter from a famous physicist who was employed by the Department of Defense. He was a student of Albert Einstein's in the 50s and he says a lot of shit he wasn't supposed to say. Whoa. In an email or in a letter to one of his colleagues. He said, hey, you guys, I know everyone respects him, but you guys know Albert is three foot four, right?

And his head is weirdly large. I didn't think he was so smart. Let me just tee it up by saying at one point he says they are like insects. Okay. All right. You're going to need to go to the after party for that one. I already gave it a yes. So head on over to patreon.com forward slash this paranormal life. The link is in the description of this podcast and in the YouTube video if you're watching this on YouTube.

Head over there to get all the bonus content you can wrap your ears around. So thank you for listening. We will be back on Tuesday with another brand new paranormal tale that hopefully isn't UFOs for a change. And we'll be back before then on Friday with an after party. See you then. Bye bye.