This Paranormal Life - #379 The GIANT SPACE AVOCADO That Landed Before ROSWELL - The Trinity UFO

Episode Date: August 12, 2024

Millenials love nothing more than avocados - in smoothies, in shakes, or just straight up in a salad AKA 'rawdogged'. But what about avocados that come from another galaxy, potentially in giant, metal form filled with strange alien creatures? Well for two young lads in the New Mexico desert in 1945 that was exactly what they were confronted with. Today's episode would go down in history as one of the most significant UFO encounters of the modern age and kick-start more than 70 years of government research on UFOs. This is the Trinity UFO encounter.Follow us on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTubeJoin our Secret Society Facebook CommunitySupport us on Patreon.com/ThisParanormalLife to get access to weekly bonus episodes!Buy Official TPL Merch! - thisparanormallife.com/storeIntro music by www.purple-planet.comResearch by Ewen FriersEdited by Philip Shacklady Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Is it possible to find a leprechaun's pot of gold? What would happen if I eat frog spawn? Answers to these questions are more on this episode of... This Paranormal Life! Brum brum brum brum brum! Welcome to This Paranormal Life, the weekly comedy podcast where every Tuesday me, Kit Kermel Venna, and this guy sitting across from me, Mr. Rory Parks, get to the bottom of a different paranormal tale and decide by the end whether it's really paranormal or not.

How are you doing today, Rory? I'm doing good, Kit. You know, coming back into the office after a long weekend, it's good to be back. I actually, I had a wedding this weekend, which usually, you know, when you go to a wedding, it takes a few days to recover afterwards. But this was my first wedding where I actually wasn't drinking. What? Yeah. I didn't know this was happening and it's frankly completely unbelievable. Even more unbelievable than your average This Power of My Life story that you weren't drinking.

Right? It was my buddy Stephen Rees getting married. My first ever gay wedding as well. Congratulations. Thank you very much. It first ever gay wedding as well. Congratulations. Thank you very much. It's an exciting day for me. But that only made it extra funny because I probably ended up looking

like a massive homophobe. Because usually when I go to a wedding, you know, I'm turning up. I got the tie loosened around my neck. That's just right. You know, by the time it hits 2.30, and then all of a sudden I go to my first gay wedding and I rock in looking like a Jehovah's witness,

glasses on, a Bible in my hands. Yeah, for the first time ever. People are like, Rory, you don't, I got you a pint of Guinness, aren't you gonna? No much to celebrate in my eyes. But it was because I was running a 10K race the next morning. At like 7am.

Has that ever stopped you before? I mean you've run this 10k a number of times. That stopped me this time. Because I wanted to go for a PB, a personal best. Okay, not a peanut butter sandwich. No, so I did have a... it's quite funny actually, it was my first time ever having Guinness Zero. Okay, yeah, What's the review? Bearing in mind, I want the sponsorship for the podcast. Let me tell you.

Yeah, we're not sponsored by Guinness Zero. Our good friends at DiageU, listen up. The Guinness Zero was so bussin' and so goddamn delicious that when I was riding my lime bike back home from the bar, there was one point where I was like oh man I must not have had dinner because those Guinness are hitting and I was like wait a minute there wasn't even alcohol in those Guinness I literally like tricked my brain into thinking I was tipsy is that is the Guinness was so good is that

even a good like at that point alcohol free beer might have gone too far if you still think you're drunk buddy yeah oh good It's so good. I thought I was drunk. Yeah. I'd say that's a pretty good review. Uh, yeah. I, I, I've not really been drinking this year. I did, yes, at the restaurant last night, get tricked into drinking a beer because the restaurateur was just like, four minus 14 lagers for the lads. I think so. And walked away. And I was like, ah, fine. That guy's dangerous. He's great, but he is dangerous. The first time we went to that restaurant, we were like, oh, we're ready to order some food and he was like, tell me what you want and I'll tell you whether you

can have it and it's like, all right, I don't know. This is a good way to run a business. I told him I was the only ones in here, by the way, there's no other customers. I told him I was vegan last night and he put his head in his hands and just went silent for a while. Ordered the vegan burger and the manager put Kit in a headlock and called him a f***ing nerd. Dragged around in the kitchen and let every chef spank his ass. He was like, for sure, the vegan burger with the brioche bun and uh,

would you like your swirly before the meal or afterwards? You f***ing nerd. But it was a good place. Food was delicious. What was the point of this? I'm recovering from a big weekend. Because yes, I had a sober wedding and then a run and then I did get drunk to celebrate after the run. So, okay, it's a busy weekend, but we're back. We're back, baby. into the office and diving into new paranormal stories. You know what it's like in a detective's office after the weekend, I assume, I've never been in one, but in a paranormal investigator's office, it is piled high, we should really

open weekends because it is piled high with paranormal cases that need solved from our constituents. Yeah, we shut down around 2pm on a Thursday And then we come back around midday Monday. Yeah. Happy hour Wednesdays does really knock out a lot of Thursday morning too. So the working week is mostly a Monday to Tuesday vibe. And that's not what I'm thinking about,

bank holiday Mondays. Anyway, the problem is people who want us to solve a paranormal case this week might be waiting a while because today, Rory, I'm taking all the way back to 1945. We haven't even got through 1945 through to 2024 yet. Whoa, that's a backlog. Yeah. We are going to dive into a pretty wildly compelling paranormal tale right after a couple of words from today's sponsors.

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Rory, are you ready? I am ready to dive in. Today's story begins on August 16th, 1945. We're in Trinity Desert in New Mexico, in a remote region called Jornada de Muerto, Dead Man's Journey to the Spanish Conquistadors. Hell yes. You know we're in a cool place

when the locations nearby are called shit like this. Dead Man's Cove, Pirate Rock. Yeah, and there's a lot- Knife City. There's a lot of those. Knife City is a sick chiptune artist, actually. There's a lot of this in America. Especially in the West, the Wild West.

It's like, I mean, there's just a lot of crazy town names in America, like, isn't there like, just a town called Christmas? And that's great as it is. But did you know that within that town, it's like Rudolph Lane, Blitzer Avenue, What? Chimney Street, I swear to God.

All right, I think you fell asleep watching Nightmare Before Christmas again. I'm certain. There's an Easter town, a Halloween town, and a skeleton man with a pumpkin head. Talk to me. But yes, the Wild West is full of places like Death Valley, of course, Furnace Creek.

Hell yeah. Really cool things like that. That is cool. No exception. Two best friends trot through this wilderness on horseback. They are the sons of two local ranchers. This is nine-year-old Jose Padilla and seven-year-old Remy Bacca. Hell yes. This is great because as two best friends,

with the brains of both a nine and a seven-year-old, I'm ready to do some role-playing today. Right. We've got some lines to read. I should point out, I mentioned that they were the sons of Wrench. These aren't the fathers, these are the sons. These are the sons. Because I know things were different back then, these are still the sons. And believe it or not, due to the hard times in this hard place, these kids are running the farm as both their fathers are working

on the war effort. That's right, we are in the middle of World War Two. Damn. So these boys are searching for a pregnant cow that recently escaped from the Padilla ranch. They start chatting while surveying the landscape. Okay, so we've got two characters here, Remy and Jose. Kit is reading as Jose, he's decided, which is a really cool name, universally known across the world, and he's given me Remy, the name of a rat who cooks spaghetti

under another man's hat. A lot of people are called Remy. So that's not fair. It's a profiteer fine name. But you know what? I can make anything sound good. So this is Rory Powers reading for the role of Remy. This isn't like a... I know there's a camera point today. This isn't like a self-taped one,

where this isn't an audition. You've got the role, actually. Congratulations. How old am I? I'm nine. Seven. Jesus. Okay. And I live in a the role, actually. Congratulations. How old am I? Nine? Seven. Jesus. Okay. And I live in a bad place, Knife City. No, just New Mexico. It's fine. New Mexico. Okay.

Just the desert. It's a beautiful place, actually. Did you hear that huge bang the other night? Our entire house shook. Hear it. I saw it. The whole desert lit up for miles. My mom lost sight in one eye. It hasn't come back yet. And the heat. The night air was warm for minutes. It was scary, Remy. I haven't seen anything like it in my nine long years. Yeah, I wonder what's going on. And strange things have been happening since. I'll bet this cow got spooked and that's why she wandered off. Here, buttercup. Here, buttercup. You see, just a few weeks prior, the United States Army

had conducted its first nuclear test detonation close by. And it would be just a matter of weeks after this they would drop two nuclear bombs over Japan and the war would be over. Wow. So if you've seen Oppenheimer, the movie, this is the test blast. This is pretty much exactly where they were happening. Yeah, I watched a terrifying documentary once about the US testing, I think, atomic or nuclear bombs in

somewhere called like Bikini Island or something. Yeah, that's where Bikini comes from. Yeah. Not a good documentary. I think at that point they were blissfully unaware of the ramifications of being that close to nuclear and atomic weapons. Blissfully unaware or yeah, they didn't give a shit. They didn't give a shit, I think. And they kind of then used the people who were lives were ruined by those blasts and studied them as like what effects happen to people who get hit by bombs. Dark times! Extremely. Sadly, those who lived closest to this Trinity Desert Test site were pretty similar to what

you've just described. People around here would suffer health problems for years. People like Jose's mother. That eyesight did not come back. Jose and Remy are just about to turn back when... The pair hear a huge bang. Something has hit a radio tower close by and hurtled earthward. Scanning the landscape, they see a plume of smoke rising from one of the nearby canyons, and they make their way to the valley edge for a better look. Damn. Okay, and if they're really in the middle of nowhere, you're not seeing much up there in the sky.

Unless an eagle just flew into an electricity line, there shouldn't be a smoking object hurtling towards the earth. Yeah, I mean, there's a photo of the Trinity Desert, Rory. I mean, that's what you're dealing with. I mean, that's just straight up nothing. Blue sky. I mean, this is wily coyote territory. Yeah. Oh my god. Yeah. If something's there, you're going to see it. Years later, Remy would describe how they could feel the heat from the crash, through the soles of your feet. And when peering into the canyon, they saw

a gouge in the earth as long as a football field. What? A few nearby shrubs smoldered and the dust from the impact gradually settled. The boys noticed an object at one end of this crater. They judged this object to be 7-9 meters long and 4 meters tall and described it as avocado shaped. The craft was grey in colour and appeared to be metallic with an opening on one side. Rory, you and listeners at home are probably just instantly trying to wrap our heads around the fact that there is now a UFO in the picture.

Well, you better hurry up because they noticed movement at the craft and eventually saw three creatures scurrying around the crash site. Slow down, slow down, slow down. We just got to the desert. We just established our protagonists and now there's three more on the scene. Aged three, five, and eight. Okay, so they've seen an object come down, hit the earth. It's a UFO essentially. And not only-

But we don't know that! We don't know, I guess it could be- We don't know that, you said it! It could be a- It could be a helicopter. It could be a helicopter. Playing with three little green pilots? Well, we don't know that. I guess it could be a helicopter. A plane with three little green pilots? Well, we don't know they're green. We're about to hear what they're like.

But they could right now, right now they could be any color. It could be any color, gray, green. But yes, I don't know of many avocado shaped crafts. Yeah, me neither. not, especially not, when was this, 1945? Five, yeah, there weren't a lot of crafts in general. Yeah, I've seen a Spitfire playing. Shit is rudimentary.

Thankfully, since they had been searching for the pregnant cow, they had binoculars with them. That meant they were able to get a close glimpse of these beings from a safe distance. At one and a half meters tall, the creatures were very thin with long arms and an insect-like appearance. All right, okay.

And they're green? Are they green? Remy described them as similar to a praying mantis or a cricket. Jesus! They had huge eyes and a pear-shaped head. They were gray, they were clothed in grey. They actually had clothes.

They were wearing grey and white coveralls. How does a grasshopper wear clothes? A f***ing cockroach in Carhart. This guy is doing work out in the desert. That is crazy. We don't always see aliens wearing anything, really. No, but usually it's because they're a bit elusive. Their silhouettes, their shadows.

At some points they are like gas or a mist. Sure, but the times that they are being described as like very detailed, I feel like they're mostly naked. Isn't that weird? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is weird. I guess maybe they were like, look, we usually aren't seen by anyone. So we don't really have to put on clothes. It's like the equivalent of like a Zoom meeting, right? When people don't wear trousers underneath their table

from the waist down, because no one's gonna see it on a Zoom call. Yeah. Like, yeah, if you board a craft, they're like, oh, don't look, hey, whoa, hey, whoa. Oh shit, yeah. I wasn't, they're like, oh, don't look! Hey, whoa! Hey, whoa! Oh, shit! Yeah, I wasn't expecting it. Yeah, oh, damn.

The boys could sense panic at the scene. They almost felt sorry for these creatures, who seemed to be emitting cries like that of a stricken animal or a newborn baby. Oh, God. But these boys knew not to get close. So after checking out some of the debris nearby them, they headed home to alert their families.

That is a picture of Jose. Oh, that is... To be fair, he looked a lot older than I thought. You know, when you said... Because Jose is the nine-year-old, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he looks like he could be 19. Well... He's in a full little cowboy outfit, a little shirt and belt and hat.

I think that's a very small horse. I think that's a pony. Yeah, because he's like standing next to what looks like a full grown horse, but you're right, it could be it could be just a very tiny little pony. I actually don't know what year this was taken, so that's a good point too.

But he is a little cowboy, and he looks like he could get the job done. This is only an extra stressful situation, you know, putting myself in the position of these children because if I saw a regular car broken down on the side of the road, I wouldn't be able to help, let alone a craft from another universe. Yeah. You know, if I'm pulling over to help someone whose car's broken down, I'm like, what do you guys need? I can Uber Eats McDonald's or KFC. I can check if there's any line bikes nearby. I can check the weather.

I've got the app where it looks like you're drinking a pint. You kind of tilt the phone to the side. I can, my phone can do many things. I can do loads of stuff. I cannot. I cannot do jack shit. Right, yeah. So they're like, oh you can jack shit? No, I can't do jack shit. Because we need a jack. Yeah. So if this is if it's a UFO, what am I doing? staying at a hotel recently on the big long driveway up to the hotel in Ireland, I passed a guy who just frigging popped a flat, what is even the terminology? He popped a flat. He had got a flat tire. You don't even know how to say flat tire. He popped a flat.

He scribbled his wheels. His rubber bag went boom. How do I describe it? He got a flat. He scrupled his wheels. His rubber bag went boom. How do I describe it? He got a flat tire. The circles, the car cookies, the car cookies got munched. How do I describe a flat tire? And I pull up next to him. I wind the window down slowly, being like, oh no.

I'm like, here we go. I'm about to ask the big, big question. Do you need any help? And in my head I'm immediately like, please say no, please say no, please say no, please say no, because I can't do anything. And he's like, no. I'm like, thank God, see you later.

Right. He was like, no, it's all good, I'm sorry. And I'm like, yeah bro, that's crazy because bro, it's a good thing. It's a good thing I turned up to. And it's great that you know what you're doing. Because if you didn't know what you're doing, I'd be all over it.

I got every tool. I've got the crumple snatcher. I've got the long stick. And a short stick. I got the rumble stiltskin. If you need that, you got that in the bag. I got a spare big wheel, spare small wheel. I could do whatever you want.

He's like, oh, you got a Rumpel Snatcher. I'll take one of those. I actually don't even, I don't have that. Fresh out, fresh out of the Rumpel Snatcher. It's true. It doesn't take much these days to make me feel like a big man, a big important man. I recently had to hook my motorbike battery

up to like a charge dripper, you know, so you like, you get the battery, open up the top, connect the little things. I felt like I was f***ing James Bond, cutting the wire on a bomb about to detonate in three seconds. Simply attaching jump cables to a battery. My heart was going a thousand miles a minute. I was so nervous. I thought this thing was going to detonate, but I pulled it off and I'm like the rest of the day I'm like in my mom's kitchen with a greasy rag over one shoulder and a toothpick being like...

With the partner respecter vest on. Oh yeah, just being like, hey, let me know if you need anything else done, ma. I hooked the battery up to the dripper in the garage. We got any cold cuts? I want a sandwich real quick. I felt like sandwich real quick. I felt like a big man. Yeah, I've owned enough heaps of shit

that I've had to jumpstart a lot of batteries. So I'm used to that action, but I will say every time I do it, I feel whenever you connect one of those, you do feel like you are going to Jurassic Park style, like the little boy, like be blown backwards. 100%. In cartoonish style. Or just kind of, you know, your skeleton will flash kind of in and out of your

own body. Yeah. Hair kind of spiked up as smoke comes off the top of you. Rory, that was day one on the Padillo Ranch. A pretty crazy day. On day two, the boys had too much work to do on the farm and were not able to go back to the crash site. But day three, the boys found a gap in their work

to return to the canyon. This time they had back up. They were accompanied by Jose's father, Faustino, and Eddie Apodaca, a state police officer and family friend. I love that his dad was not available on the first day because he was fighting in the war. And now that these things are here, they're like, war's over, new enemy, new enemy guys.

I actually wondered this while researching it. So I believe the wording I used, which I made sure of is they were employed in the war effort. Oh, I see. I feel like a lot of people were either on a base, right, or manufacturing or whatever. Yeah, or like in the reserves or something. Exactly.

That sounds like a real word. They arrived to find a much quieter site than before. The craft was still there, but the creatures appeared to be gone. Now able to get much closer, the Adels entered the craft, demanding that the boys stay outside. What? Five to 10 much closer, the Adels entered the craft demanding that the boys stay outside. What? Five to ten minutes later Faustino and Eddie exited the craft visibly shaken. They were

disturbed but didn't speak about what they'd seen inside. All they said was, don't tell anyone about this. Not your brother, not your cousin, not your mother. That's our business. And the reason for this is that you can get in trouble. How big is this thing that they went inside of it? I think I said it was four meters tall, which is pretty damn tall, about twice the height of a normal little room. Yeah. And what did I say?

Like five meters long, something like that. You said the shape of an avocado. Shape of an avocado. So I guess if it's four long, yeah, or four high, it's gonna be more long. Exactly. That's that kind of expert knowledge we bring to the table.

Just knowing what an avocado is. Right. That goes a long way. That's just about where my knowledge stops. Because a boomer, paranormal investigator, they wouldn't, they'd be like, what's an avocado? A millennial paranormal investigator, they're like, I eat avocados every day. Yeah, I mean, a boomer might actually give

the actual specifications and understand it. They'll say it was four meters by 10, and they're like, okay, I get it. I know, I hate when my dad says, he's like, he's like, yeah, it was about 150 square foot. I'm like, great, and me, a square man, will know what that means. I'm not a cube, father.

Why would I know what square feet are? Yeah, I have no idea. I'm not Minecraft Steve. I don't have pixel legs, a cubed foot. But of course, Rory, we're not just millennials. We were children once, too. And we know that telling a child, don't do something, is like telling an adult, I'll give you a million pounds to do that thing. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna do it. And so after dark and after 16 to 19 hours of farm work, the boys snuck off and returned to the scene. But by this stage, things had developed further.

And on their third visit to the site, they saw a small number of US Army personnel surveying and collecting debris from the site. Needless to say, the boys couldn't get closer to the craft that night. But by the following day, the presence of the authorities was only more apparent again. The family at the Padilla Ranch actually received a knock at the door. It was Sergeant R. Avila of the United States Army. Hello son, my name is Sergeant R. Avila of the United States Army.

The listeners knew that already, but you didn't. Okay. Listen, unfortunately an experimental weather balloon has crashed nearby. You probably didn't know that. We did, actually. There was a loud crash in the ground. Yep, that's a weather balloon, all right. They work in mysterious ways.

I saw little man. No you didn't. No you didn't. Uh-uh. So we're gonna need to access the ranch here real quick. Removing boundary fences, building a temporary road for army vehicles. I know it's an inconvenience, but we'll pay for the reconstruction. You understand, right son?

The description of a balloon didn't seem to click with what the family had seen over the preceding days. Well that's what it was. Well that's what it was. Well that's what it was. Well that's what it was. Well that's what it was. Well that's what it was.

Well that's what it was. Well that's what it was. Well that's what it was. Well that's what it was. Well that's what it studio. Yes. I broke it through. I'm the ghost of Avila. 70 years later. They keep me alive with a machine, take to my back. I'd really rather die to be quite honest, but I can't, I can't reach the machine. So I can't turn it off. I got too close to the balloon and I was granted immortality.

Now I can never die. Yet I age. I do age, my child." The craft was clearly metallic. Faustina Padilla and Eddie Apodaca had climbed inside after all. Why would the removal of a deflated weather balloon require a temporary road? And what about the creatures the boys had seen? But the look in the sergeant's eye said, don't even go there. They decided not to question the sergeant, and granted the army access to the land. Sergeant Avila added that…

…it's important no one knows about this matter and no one approaches the scene. But just to be clear, it is a balloon. Just a balloon. Just a balloon, probably drifted through the desert from sort of children's birthday party or some sort of festival. And you need an 18-wheeler and a road built to get those balloons out of the desert? The balloon was shaped like Spider-Man.

We thought it was a real creature from another planet and we sniped him in the head. Yeah, this must be a F***ing Macy's Day parade style Spider-Man balloon. A 25 meter Goliath balloon. It was Garfield. A 30 foot Garfield Macy's Day balloon got loose and found its way into the New Mexico desert.

And the US military had to intercept the cat. Our intel says the craft loves lasagna and hates Mondays. But Rory, if you thought that some corn fed eight foot m****** from the middle of I don't know where in a uniform was going to stop these two hard as nails little boys from getting another look at that craft, you're dead wrong. They went back out. We're going to hear exactly what Jose and Remy did next after a couple of words from today's sponsors. Get to school with Rogers and get Canada's fastest and most reliable internet. Perfect for streaming lectures all day or binging TV shows all night. Save up to $20 per month on Rogers Internet.

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A road and gates were installed and an 18-wheeler truck arrived on site. With the use of a crane, the avocado craft was carefully loaded onto a specially designed frame on the truck's trailer. So they're watching this thing get loaded onto a truck? Presumably to stop it turning into guacamole. Uh, yes, they are seeing this happen in real time. That's insane. Let me tell you, you can get away with a lot as a kid. I remember that. You know, because if you were an adult hiding by the sand dunes watching the military do this, if you get caught, they are shooting you in the back of the head, out in the desert and burying you in the sand. But as a kid, you could probably just be like,

oh, we don't know what's going on. We stumbled here. We're just walking around looking for our cow. down the desert and burying you in the sand. But as a kid, you could probably just be like, oh, we don't know what's going on. We stumbled here. We're just walking around looking for our cow. Goo goo gaga, where'd my Beyblades go? Yeah. I don't know anything. So, you know, maybe we need to start sending children to the front line a little more often.

I think what you're describing is child soldiers, which is a kind of, I think, against every UN Convention on Human Rights. Oh, people have tried this before? Yeah. In kind of a lot of kind of democratically unstable countries. I think it's a common tactic to give children AK-47s. Right. Okay. All right. Quite evil.

So, bad idea. Yes. Is what we're saying. Okay. I think we'll just... I like your renegade train of thought, but that one is against human rights. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Just throwing it out there. How about we flip the script and we send old people? Because they're going to die soon anyway.

No, I'm in. I am actually back in. I don't think that's against any human rights. But the boys couldn't stop thinking about this craft. So Jose and Remy took their opportunity before the craft was taken away to try and get into it under cover of darkness. So picking a moment when no one was standing by the truck, they peeled back the cover and climbed inside. Years later, Remy would describe this Indiana Jones style stunt, saying, Jose pulled part of the tarp off, exposing the gash on the side of the craft. And while I hold the tarp open, Jose climbs into the gash. He described how the inside was a metallic, brassy yellow colour, with ridged panels covered in silvery coloured strands like

angel hair decorations. He also mentioned there were no seats or anything, it must have been cleaned out, or maybe there weren't any. We couldn't see any instruments like gauges, clocks, steering wheels, brake pedals, nothing like that. But keen to leave with what they called a souvenir, the boys ripped off a metallic panel from the wall with a crowbar. Along with this and some of the silvery fibrous material, they left the crash site for the last time. I'm not saying I'm skeptical at this point in the story, but I'm finding it a little hard to believe that a craft crashed on earth, an alien craft being driven by crickets hit

the earth. The military found out about it, built all the roads, set up the cordons, locked off the area, but for some reason every day at 5 30 they go, All right, we're done and they all leave the site and leave this thing abandoned in the desert for the kids to come in and just walk in. Or you know what unions are like in America? You know, these guys are, you know, it comes to their lunch break, they get a four-hour lunch break, you know, with lazy boys to recline on. You said that, you said they loaded it onto a truck.

You said the craft was loaded onto a truck. They jumped on the truck, pulled up the tarp, jumped in. But you're implying that the thing, the military showed up, loaded this thing on a truck, everyone was there and they went, oh, 5 30, should we drive the truck away with the alien craft on it? No, no, no, I'm clocking off. Let's leave it here in the desert, completely unattended. Maybe it was the Super Bowl. Maybe it was Super Bowl weekend. It wasn't. The guys had to go back to the base

and watch some games. I don't even know if they had, did they have a Super Bowl in 1945? Maybe they, need I remind you, popped a flat. Maybe they popped 18 flats. They had 18 wheels. That's a lot of flats. It's just a little suspicious right now.

It's a fair accusation. It's a little unusual to me. I think if this is true, I think this is something that the military will have completely changed in modern cover-ups. I think they would be really quick about it in this day and age. But back then, maybe there's a little bit more naivety about it.

Maybe there was less of a sense of, we need to get this thing out of here. Yeah. You know? I personally think the description of the outside of the craft is pretty interesting, pretty like similar enough, but different enough to other cases that it seems compelling.

But the inside is particularly interesting. Does that sound like other cases that it seems compelling. But the inside is particularly interesting. Does that sound like other cases we've heard of? Metallic, brassy, yellow, ridged panels. I know sometimes we have crafts where it's described there's no seams at all. It's like an Apple store, just a continuous sheet of metal. But crucially here, no seats, no instruments, gauges, clocks, steering wheel, just a completely empty room. Yeah, no seats, no instruments, gauges, clocks, steering wheel, just a completely empty room.

Yeah, I mean, quite similar. Usually, the cases that involve getting into the interior of a UFO, we've established that they are false. Not true. Sure. So, maybe similarities isn't what you want to be going for today. I think that's a fair statement. I think probably more than not, they turn out to be false. That's arguably true of all UFO encounters. But strange metal, weird patterns on panels.

Yeah, that's consistent with even believable cases, for sure. Yeah, like we have had occasional believable cases, people who have attested to being abducted. There always seems to be this kind of like, forgive me Americans for a UK reference, but like a doctor who's TARDIS style thing going on, where almost the craft itself,

there's more to it than it seems. Like you go inside and what people see on the inside doesn't really match up with what we think there should be. Like you look and it's kind of like there's kind of nothing here. Like how did they pilot this thing at all? Right, right. It's a grower, not a shower. Like it looks like nothing. And then when you get inside, it's there's more to it.

Because, you know, the reality is if this was piloted by something from another universe, it's not going to be that it's like, man man you should see the steering wheel that this thing has. It's shaped like a square. It's like there isn't a steering wheel. They put their heads in goo and and it controls the ship telepathically. You know, it'd be something so foreign that it would look nothing like the inside of our crafts. Yeah and I think that's why I bring it up. I think I like that. I think I like that. I mean, it seems like extremely mysterious

that there'll be nothing at all inside. They don't have any flats to pop. There's nothing. Well, apparently they took Sergeant Aravilla's warning a few days earlier because the boys kept their experiences within the family for years. The whole thing only became more secretive over time as the Second World War gave way to the Cold War. Back then if you so much as told your Chinese

pen pal what you had for breakfast you'd get locked in a maximum security prison for life for being a communist. But they still had their salvaged material from the craft. The boys drifted apart but many many years later in 2003 they met up by chance and this time told their childhood friend Ben Moffat. Crucially Ben was a local journalist for the Socorro newspaper and he decided to break this story 60 years later. Wow. So no one really knew about this until only 20 years ago. Okay, okay. Now, I'm going to ask the question that everyone listening wants to know. Oh, no one. I don't think they're asking any questions.

I think it's just you, bud. If they are breaking this story, even after all this time, do they still have the metal that they recovered from the craft? That's what we want to know today. Yes. Whoa! Okay. Show me the craft. That's what we want to know today. Yes. Whoa. OK. Show me the evidence. Do I have a picture of it? No.

But they do have it. You're kidding. They do have it. Are you actually kidding? You don't have a picture? There are no pictures to my mind. But. But this is it. So they don't have it. So no. So they essentially don't have it so that no so they essentially don't have it no because y'all you have is the the words it's

say if you would let me get to it do they still have it yes do you know does anyone know they do have it they do have it they do have it. They do have it. They do have it. Where is it? People have seen it. Alright. People have seen it. Cool. Have you? My friend who goes to another school, he saw it. My Chinese pen pal has seen it. It will come up. It's gonna come up.

In this episode or in the next hundred years? Because, Rory, need I remind you? Everyone in the world is only finding out, Rory, need I remind you, everyone in the world is only finding out about it at this point in our story. Sure. So, yes, other people are asking the same as you. At this point, 2003, people are asking to see the medal.

Cool, just to be clear, 20 years ago. Yeah. It's not like it was Tuesday this just came out. Yeah. Okay. This story drew a flurry of media attention because it was a wild tale of a UFO encounter, but crucially predated Roswell, also in New Mexico, by two years.

Yeah. So paranormal investigators and ufologists theorized that the nuclear tests close to the time had attracted UFOs to the area and authorities were involved in a cover-up. It's a popular theory, a very popular theory. Yes, one we will, let's put a mental note to come back to this in a minute and talk about Malmstrom. Of course, neither the military nor any government departments ever released any official report about an avocado-shaped UFO in the Trinity Desert.

Even in our recent investigation to that AARO report summarizing UFO sightings in America, it does mention 1945, it doesn't mention Project Saucer, which I believe was 1947. It doesn't mention by name this investigation. Yeah, this would be the first event, if it's real, this would be the first event taking place in that kind of cluster of UFO sightings and paranormal activity. It's a strange one. They didn't mention it, but they start their clock at 1945, so it kind of seems like this was when they started paying attention.

Yeah. So, officially, the military didn't admit any of this, but one Lieutenant Colonel William Brothey did come forward with a story that corroborates the boy's story. Brothey was a B-52 bomber pilot at the time of the incident. He happened to be in the air that day, coming into land at a nearby air force base in Alamogordo. As he approached, he was asked by ground control to divert and conduct a low observational fly-past, a radio communication tower that had lost signal. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm quote, flying over he saw the tower was bent like it had been hit by something hard. Then he saw in the vegetation some distance away a large egg-shaped object, and there were two little kids on their horses next to the object. Damn, wow, an independent witness. That's cool.

Now both that story and the boys stories were examined in a book about this case, Trinity the Best Kept secret by Jacques Vallee, a former contractor for the government and an Italian ufologist, Paolo Harris. Now, whilst the strands of silvery material have been lost. They've been lost? Jacques Vallee did manage to get the panel off the boys. Now, men, now quite elderly men. Sure.

Now when it was sent to a lab for spectroscopy analysis, it was revealed that the material was silamen. I don't know what that is. It is a material that is present on earth. I believe it's an alloy. I believe it's an alloy comprised of things like aluminium and other metallic compounds. It does exist on Earth, but things that exist on Earth might exist on other planets too, right?

Well, they do. That's, you know... We just know that. The elements, you know, that make up the matter of the universe do exist on other planets. Exactly. What was the lab? Can you just... because you said they sent it to a lab. Can anyone just do that?

Send something to a lab? Yeah. I didn't know that. It just depends what you want to get done, I suppose. Yeah. This is probably some kind of private lab that will do a kind of spectroscopic analysis for a fee. Pretty cool.

Yeah, we should send off my DNA and figure out why I'm built different. Oh, I'm just checking the results here. Turns out I got that dog in me. I'm mostly comprised of that dog. Yeah, ancestry.com was crazy. Said I was a hundred percent that bitch, which is interesting. I thought I was Irish, but.

Oh, just checking my genetic makeup here. The test results say that I'm 100% boyfriend material. That's crazy. But it does spark a debate, one which I'm very open to, that people who like this case and who think it's real and believe the people involved will say, this is a panel of a UFO, this is a crucial piece of evidence in the world of UFO study.

Others think this is a panel of just like a military vehicle. Right, which is an option, you know, which is a possibility that we live in a world where this could have been a military craft that still hit a radio tower, still crashed, and that's why the military came to pick it up to retrieve and classify, reclassify their crashed aircraft.

And you know, is it part of a weather balloon? You know, we always get annoyed at weather balloon explanations. Of course it's possible to have a piece of a weather balloon. The government do use weather balloons, the army do use weather balloons, things like that, spy balloons. They will be recovering those from time to time. Sure. That's fine, that might be true.

It just means the boys were lying about everything else that happened, including the little man. Yeah, I mean, look, I know these children were very mature for their age, but they are children. I mean, I was probably making up even wilder stuff when I was seven years old. So if you're gonna come at me with a claim

that these witnesses saw crickets piloting this craft, the witnesses better at least be of the legal age to drive a car. You know? I've talked a lot on the show about how me and Rory went to primary school with a lad who swore down he was a Beatleborg. Yeah, promised us he was a Beatleborg.

For like quite a while. He was at least 11 years more mature than these boys. And he's like tears in his eyes, he's like Rory, I can transform. He didn't by the way, he never did. He's like, well I can't now because I haven't had my juice box for lunch and I need the energy.

Now I have a tiny bit more to the story, but at this point, at its kind of logical end point, which is the point where the boys, the men finally went public with the story, shared their evidence for analysis, which is pretty cool in itself. And some have dubbed this the Roswell before Roswell. Where's your kind of head at

about how this compares to other stories? Does it feel like it fits in with any others, maybe Roswell given it was such a close proximity? Yeah, I mean in terms of location and the event itself, yeah a lot of parallels here. I mean these children are making some even wilder claims than I think were made at Roswell because, you know, Roswell it's pretty well documented that something happened there. There was an event, but when you, at least at Roswell, when you get to the point where we're

talking about recovered alien bodies and stuff, things start to get a little bit stranger. The witnesses get a little sketchier. The events become a little more unbelievable. Whereas these creatures are at the heart of this story. They're like a craft came down, crashed into the earth, and beetles came out. Yeah. You know?

Not great that our witnesses are nine and seven. That's not filling me with a ton of enthusiasm, but I like the story so far. Want to know what happened to the medal? I want to know what happened to the medal. Really want to know what happened to the medal because that seems pretty crucial to the entire event. Crucial is the word today, Rory, because I think that's where we're at right now

in today's episode. It's like an interesting impasse. It's like we have a pretty amazing story, but as soon as we start trying to decide whether it's real or not, we start to hone in on things. Okay, well, show us the metal. Yeah. Does it seem, does do experts in the field think that this is likely to be off earth extraterrestrial? Okay, we don't like our witnesses. What about the other witnesses?

Surely there was people, okay, you had the Colonel in the sky who saw the boys. That's something. That's pretty good. But what about the boys' father and the other police officer on the scene? Surely they attested to someone about this over the years. There were other witnesses involved. But there is a strain of thought

when you start diving into this, that this entire thing could be a hoax. The skeptic writer Brian Dunning has written that the quote, Bacca and Padilla story has always been well known as a hoax. A literal hoax made up by people who knew they were making it up. Not a distorted memory or an honestly misinterpreted experience but a straight up hoax. He bases this claim on details first recorded by independent journalist Douglas Dean Johnson, saying there are huge problems with the story, such as Eddie Apodaca, supposedly the state trooper who picked through the wreckage with the family. He was in Europe fighting in World War

II at the time. Well there you go. And he didn't even become a state trooper until 1951, years after this all took place. There's also evidence to say that Remy Bacca pitched multiple different versions of this story to several UFO authors until finally getting one published. The constantly changing story elements, the total lack of evidence or corroborating sources and both Bacca and Padilla's histories of lying about themselves leave little reason for me to take anything about the Trinity UFO Seriously, he continues these men hoped to profit from the story one of the authors of the book about the story Paula Harris said that when they wanted to see the panel of the craft Remi Baca wanted

$250,000 Jesus And he wanted another $250,000. Jesus. And he wanted another $250,000 for the story. Okay. Yeah. I wish I'd known a lot of this upfront. That definitely... So he has the medal. Gives...

Allegedly. They do have the medal. Yeah. But he wants a quarter mil just for someone else to see it? I will say I would want a quarter mil for a panel of a spacecraft if I had that. To give it to them, yeah, but not to show it. To loan it. Yeah, yeah, that would be fine. Yeah, I will say it brings a new twist to the,

because I think the story went that they like, oh, they just kind of told their friend the story. And he was like, oh, I'll write about that in the local paper. It starts to make more sense of why they broke their silence all these years later. They were staring retirement dead in the eye, and they were like, oh, shit, we need some cash, brother.

Remember that crazy thing that happened in the desert or didn't? Yeah. At age 59, they just found out what a pension was. And they were like, oh, Christ, we were supposed to be saving? Yeah. Oh God. All right. Oh, well, hey, why don't we- They picked up a piece of scrap metal, a car boot sale.

And they're like, this is our retirement, brother. It's all up here. That's my pension. Yeah, that is not what we want to hear. That is one of the biggest red flags we ever see in paranormal stories is a witness or someone who's been involved in the case trying to make money off of it. You know, I actually, I'll be quite honest as we come to conclusions,

I actually don't know exactly what I think. It feels like there are people smarter than me who believe there's something to this story, that there might be a nugget of this that is true. Some of the story points to that, like whether it is the pilot who also saw something crashed and certainly the time and the location, the lineup with things like Roswell. And I know that Jacques Vallee, who was one of the people who wrote the book,

the people who wrote the book and said that, yes, Remy was pretty greedy. He wanted a lot of money for the panel. And Jacques is a very, very respected UFO researcher with a legit military background. So as I say, a guy smarter than me who believes there's something to this story, but you also gotta run with your instinct of like you hear all sides.

And unfortunately, the critical side of this, the skeptic side, sounds pretty bloody convincing too. Yeah, kind of overwhelming in this case today. I think we're ready for conclusions. I think we're ready. Rory's loading the gun, putting his puppy, sick puppy, out of commission. Unless we're about to see a piece of scrap metal on today's episode. I wish. I think we're ready. scrap metal on today's episode. I wish.

I think we're ready. Rory, in the case of the Trinity UFO case of New Mexico in 1945, what are you saying today? I actually really love this story. I think it's really fun. I love that it kind of piggybacks off that vibe that Roswell gives off, you know, around the time that we were testing atomic nuclear weapons,

you know, in the desert of New Mexico, where it's very hard to hide things, where it's a rancher, someone out there who stumbles across this craft. It's very cool, very romantic, we've seen it a lot before. Unfortunately, our witnesses are children. Lying children, who coincidentally never told anyone until 60 years later when they tried to sell scrap metal for a quarter million dollars. That is bad.

That seems like if this had really happened to you and you knew this secret, you'd find a way to get it out there, I really think. They wouldn't be charging people an extortionate amount of money just to look at the thing. So I am skeptical today and because of just the lack of evidence, I think unfortunately today it's going to be a no from me. Oof. Yeah, I would agree. The inconsistencies with the witnesses involved, the stories being a bit muddy makes it too hard to give this a yes. So it's a no, it's a double no.

Ooh, great story though. Can we get a clap out for Kit here? Really enjoyed that one. Thank you, thank you. Let's clap it out. You know, and if you, I'm genuinely curious about this, and I've been doing a lot of UFO research again recently. Yeah, we lost Kit again, everyone, by the way.

We lost him. I came to the studio yesterday, and even just off mic, just chatting about life, I pulled out my phone and showed Rory a schematics blueprint for a flying saucer. He's like, what is this? I'm like, it's a real saucer, brother. I was telling him I'm having a really difficult time at home recently because of some complications with my certain family members.

And it's really taking a toll on my relationship with my close family. And Kit was just going, uh- uh-huh uh-huh and then held out his phone and it was just the schematics for an experimental alien craft. Come on, didn't that cheer you up? That cheers me up. I was like right in the middle of yeah, some really some dark stuff. So I was like, yeah, that's that's cool, man. But you. But I don't see that necessarily helps my thing. It's that... I love that meme people share of someone texting their dad, like, hey, dad, can we talk? I really need some help right now.

And he texts back, no, I'm lowballing this guy on Craigslist for a Toyota. It's like, emotionally unavailable, dad. So yes, fair warning. The next six episodes hosted by kit may all be UFOs No, which is usually a worry. It is usually a worry now I'm gonna have to swap to ghosts and cryptids and shit and curses and things I think it was just after after doing my aaro report, which I think people enjoyed Thank you. If you left a lovely comment or enjoyed that episode. I hope you did enjoy that. It's just since then, I've been reading a lot of cool stuff.

So if you do have any insight to this one, any insight of cases I simply need to know about while I'm in my UFO era, please let us know at thisparanormallifepodcast at gmail.com. Yes, doesn't even need to have evidence apparently. Just any old story, throw it over to Kit and he will present it ad hoc. The evidence

exists hey they saw the panel I haven't seen the panel I did Google image search the panel but I haven't seen it. Okay until we see the panel it will remain a double no unfortunately. Okay well if you are listening to this panel in life and enjoying yourself maybe you're an old-school listener maybe or a new school listener all are welcome remember that the fun does not end here when you hit stop on this and your just life fades to gray, like some kind of depressing music video. You just can't believe your life is so empty

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Which was an awesome episode. We went through a bunch of people who Claimed to have just been driving down a road blinked and Four hours are missing from their life and they're in the middle of nowhere if they got burns on their hands It was a really cool episode and just a great example of some of the fun stuff that we do over on patreon Should we do a clip? How about a little clip? Play right now. You can see if you like it, have a little sample of the cookie. So check it out. She opened the door, turned to see what all the commotion was about, and then...

The next thing she remembers, she was lying down on a blanket in the middle of a park nearby, as if waking up from a nap. She blinked, and the next thing she knows, she's back in the car. This time her mom driving like crazy blasting down the highway. Jesus. If this happens to me, I'm going to need Morpheus to at least be in the in my field of vision in at least one of these settings. If I'm going to be blinking and then I'm in a completely different place, I'm going to need him to be standing there saying, so now you see the reality is an illusion Christina do you know how many times in my life I've ignored Morpheus turning up

there's so many times in my life weird shit happens and I see him kind of standing there waiting for me to realize what's going on and I just kind of put my hand up pretend like I don't see him I'm like don't you dare unplug me Morpheus I am staying in this fake little world and I'm kind of put my hand up, pretend like I don't see him. I'm like, don't you dare unplug me, Morpheus. I am staying in this fake little world and I'm going to eat my fake little food and have a fun little time. And he's like, but the world isn't real. We eat goo. It's like, no, I don't want to eat goo. I like it here. I don't want to learn karate.

I don't want to use guns. I'm having a fine time here in the fake world. Yes, the fake world Morpheus. The goo is pretty good, you know. No, it can't be. It can't be otherwise you wouldn't be calling it goo. And he, Loki shows up in like kind of rude times too. Like he'll kind of like let you do your own thing.

And kind of, and whenever you're going through a bad time, he never shows up to remind you like, hey, you don't need to feel too bad about this because none of it's real. But on my wedding day, on my wedding day, I'm like as, as my wife Danielle is walking down the aisle, Morpheus is just standing at the front door to the church. Just like, you know, I'll just shut up Morpheus. I'm just saying is none of it's real. I'm just saying the feeling of love is actually a program we downloaded. We invented that 20 years ago.

It's a computer program. It was created by the robots. There is no love on the Nebuchadnezzar. It's like, then I don't want to go to the Nebuchadnezzar, Morpheus. The priest at the ceremony is like, and if anyone has a reason why these two should not be wed, speak now or forever hold your peace, Morpheus stands up.

Sit down, sit down, you son of a bitch at the birth of my child at the birth of my child Cora I was like what a beautiful baby this is the most beautiful moment of my entire life I think we'll call her Cora more foods look Morpheus pops out mm-hmm Cora dot exe or or dot app because she's a program you know that right your daughter is a program yeah the nurses take the baby away to be checked by the doctor make sure all the vitals are fine and then after about 30 minutes you're like hey doctor so just want to double check everything is okay and that the doctor

turns around Morpheus has your baby she's like I might as well be holding a line of code. Give me the baby morphies. You're kind of freaking me out here. Right. I like the line of code though. It's very precious to me. It took nine months to get here. We have fun over on Patreon. As we do here, if you support us on Patreon already, thank you so much for your support

and for listening to this message. Rory, I think we need to round out this episode with a couple of shout outs for our Patreon supporters. Let's do it. Okay, so a special thank you to Bubba Jones. Bubba Jones, little known sibling of Indiana Jones. Oh, cool. Yes, so Indiana Jones would would go out and you know

protect and retrieve ancient artifacts and get them to museums and then Bubba Jones kind of as a joke would then steal the artifacts and bury them again. Really? Yeah. So would he take them like back to Egypt? Not even to the place of origin. That would actually be kind of noble, but Bubba would just like go to a park in Seattle and like bury an ancient goblin. It's like, all right, well, no one's gonna find it there because there's not even clues. Yeah, Indiana's like, Bubba, where'd you put the skull?

Yeah. And he's like, I'll never tell. I'll never tell. And I'm like, all right, good job. Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah, wow. That's Jesus Christ. Yeah, wow. That's a really meddlesome brother. Yeah, sneaky stuff, but good to have you on board, Bubba.

Don't bury our stuff. Thanks also to Jacinta. Jacinta, I just sent you a little email. And it's actually, we're going a little digital on tax day here at the commune. So it's now kind of like Instead of like sending men round to all the houses to collect the taxes. We're doing like a very 21st century style tipping system So you're gonna go ahead and open up your email and on your little screen

You're gonna see a question here and it's gonna be 99 9.5 or 100% and you just hit whichever level of tax you would like. And let me lay you in on a little clue. Two of those buttons don't work. Two of those buttons don't work. I know just a little sidebar. I feel like tax day has always been like, it's always been a lot. It's important.

But like that is an increase, isn't it? On last time. 100%? Yeah. Well, sure. Yeah, because anything. I could have sworn it was like 97. It was high sure but there's nothing more rewarding than knowing that you're helping

the community. Right okay so there you go all right well I'm in yeah that's fine my reward's money so thank you Jacinta. And thanks lastly today to Grady Combs Ponder. Grady Combs Ponder wants you to come on down to Grady's Combs. Ooh. All kinds of combs available. We've got hair combs. It's the only kind of comb.

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Just buy it. Shhh. Just buy the comb. It could be ornamental. Yeah, I like that. A novelty item, you know? That is diversification in the 21st century. You know, businesses are getting hits.

Never been harder to have a small business. If you just sell hair combs, oh man, that's gonna be a tough business. Dead in the 21st century. Businesses are getting hit. It's never been harder to have a small business. If you just sell hair combs, oh man, that's gonna be a tough business. Dead in the water. Just sell honeycombs, the bees are dying. I don't know if you've read that. Oh, they're going, yeah. But they are gone.

So, there's not a long tail on that business. But if you do both. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. A business called a biz, a biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, biz, business called a biz, a biz, biz, biz, business called Honeycombs. And it's combs that you give your sweetheart. Now that I like. You give your loved ones.

But do watch out though for the Banshee combs. Remember that. Don't buy those. Yeah. Don't pick them up. Don't look at them. Walk right past. If you see it on the ground, walk past it.

I think I'll be investing in a little comb going forward. God knows I don't comment on this video saying I need a comb. All right, we all know that. All right. Thank you so much, everyone who supported us on this week's episode and we shotted out. We'll be back with more shout-outs next week. Thank you so much for listening to this episode,

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