This Paranormal Life - #416 The Mystery of the STIGMATA

Episode Date: April 29, 2025

Most people would agree that 'being like Jesus' is a good thing - Looking after the poor, teaching forgiveness, turning boring stupid water into sweet delicious wine... But what if one day you woke up to discover you were a lot like Jesus PHYSICALLY. Holes in your hands, bleeding from your side, and head sore from a crown of THORNS. Welcome to the mysterious world of stigmatas.Follow us on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTubeJoin our Secret Society Facebook CommunitySupport us on Patreon.com/ThisParanormalLife to get access to weekly bonus episodes!Buy Official TPL Merch! - thisparanormallife.com/storeIntro music by www.purple-planet.comEdited by Philip ShackladyResearch by Ewen Friers Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We keep hearing about the afterlife, but what about the before life? Can you actually lure cryptids using monster munch? Answers to these questions and more on this episode of... THIS PARANORMAL LIFE! Mwahahaha! Ayyy! Welcome back to This Paranormal Life, the weekly comedy podcast for every Tuesday. Me, Kit Grier-Mulvenna, and Rory Parr, who's sitting across from me, dive into a

different paranormal case, different mysterious case decided by the end of the episode, whether we think it's really paranormal or not. How are you doing today, Rory? I'm doing great. Doing great. Um, some of our US listeners or international listeners might not know what monster munch is. Yeah.

It does sound like food that monsters would munch on but it is in fact a type of crisp. Pickled onion monster munch innit? Yeah well that doesn't help anyone that just made things way more confusing. Pickled onion monster munch innit? It's a British delicacy. It's a potato chip for those. It's actually nothing to do with potato. I think it's a corn based snack. What? There's no potato chip for those. It's actually nothing to do with potato. I think it's a corn-based snack. What? There's no potato in that thing? Yeah, I think it's maize. Oh, it's a maize because you're never going to find out what's in the middle of it.

Made from real monsters. Yes, one of those like, I guess like Cheetos to our American listeners. I think it's that similar consistency. Oh, I see. Yeah. Tastes like a styrofoam peanut. Well, no, yeah, it has a consistency of one, but it tastes like. Tastes like electricity.

It's insane. It's wild what it tastes like. I think if you hooked up kind of two wires to each side of a piece of pickle on your Monster Munch, you could power South London. I think you could. There's enough chemical energy somehow in it. It's very powerful tasting.

Yeah, the little chips shaped like monster cans. Yes. Like little, we're bearing the lead here as well. Yeah, shaped like monster cans. And I think, I don't know what it is about Britain. I don't know if there's any analogous product in America, but I just want to call to attention. Okay. Britain has Monster Munch, but you know, in Ireland we have Banshee bones? Yes! I've had some banshee bones! Hell yeah, they're good! So it's even more like, we're almost at the point where it's just like f*** leprechaun's teeth.

It is just straight up paranormal evidence in a bag. Yes. Hey, I like this. Bringing more paranormal themed food to the world. I think at one point I pitched the idea for the chupa corn on the cobra. Oh my god. I forgot this, okay. You know, just matching together the world of paranormal and food. Yeah.

Yeah. Chupa candy corn, okay. I like it. I need to move on, yeah. Fish fingers, that's already pretty weird. A fish with hands? They don't even have fingers. Exactly.

Yeah, what are they making them of? Yeah, I like that. already pretty weird. A fish with hands. They don't even have fingers. Exactly. Yeah. What are they making them of? Yeah. I like that. I also remember growing up when we had those, those bags of crisps that you could build your own car with them. They were like transformer crisps. Oh, I think they were just called transformer.

It should have led with that. Some of them were hoops were the wheels and some of them were the, like the mainframe of the car and you put them together. I think I was too hungry and I just, I the whole thing and I was like, what was that all about? What was the branding about? We really weren't helping the cliches of growing up in Ireland, where at a young age we were assembling potato cars.

Yeah, hey, look, we're not obsessed with potatoes. We do have a potato theme park. Yes, Tatoland. Tatopark. We do have a potato theme park. Yes, Tato Land. Tato Park. Although I think it went out of business. It's like changed. I don't know. I think finally, they've been like, look, it's 2025.

Let's make it about something else. Jesus. Did the Tato Man get canceled? I don't think so. Yeah, what would Mr. Tato get done for? Something very Irish, financial fraud. Yeah, probably something. Okay. Yeah. What would Mr. Tato get done for? Something very Irish. Financial fraud. Yeah, probably something like that.

Yeah. Just kind of white collar crime. That's what we're good at these days. Yeah. We're going to be, it would be one of those funny things where you're like, it's like, Oh, was he caught eating a different type of vegetable? Were his crisps maybe a little too salty? And someone's like, he was on Epstein's flight list.

The Tato Man. He was on the Lolita Express. So he's done for. Do not eat any more of his chips. Yeah, but so were a lot of people. Hey, we're a lot of people and that is going to be next week's episode of the podcast. It's just reading every single person's name on the book. Can we try and get into an episode for five minutes without mentioning Epstein?

Yeah, okay. Look, this is, God, wait a break. It's pretty hard to recover the episode after that. Can we try and get into an episode for five minutes without mentioning Epstein? Yeah, OK. Look, this is quite a break. It's pretty hard to recover the episode after that. Luckily, I'm sure today's episode is going to be a fun rip roaring adventure. Not really. Pretty. Because it's a comedy paranormal podcast. Pretty fascinating, but not exactly.

So Tato Park, huh? That's crazy. Do you think people do you think people rode around? Did you go on the roller coaster in a potato? This episode is going to be depressing. All right. Rory, Rory, Rory, we are not here to talk about Monster Munch or Banshee Bones or any of that nonsense. We are here to investigate the paranormal. Look, as paranormal investigators, look, we often think of the supernatural world as kind of its own self-contained thing, but through history the kind of things we talk about every day have actually been pretty deeply connected with religion.

Okay, not Bigfoot necessarily, although if there is a Bigfoot worshiping cult out there, sign me up. But religion is often about, let's face it, belief in like an afterlife or something. So whether it's ghost sightings, telepathy, or near-death experiences, most people in history who experience those things experience them through religious beliefs. Yeah, we've said it before, you frame what you see and your own experiences through your beliefs in this world. So if two people see a ghost and one of them is religious and one of them isn't,

the religious person is gonna assume it's an angel. That's just how it works. That's what I was just about to say. Yeah, we're not even getting into angels, spirits of different religions that people encounter, or the fact that churches still perform exorcisms to this day. Yeah. Possession is intrinsicallyisms to this day. Yeah.

Possession is intrinsically linked to the world of religion. But look, as time has gone on, most religions have become more sanitized, more streamlined. Some churches now look like a damn Apple Store. And that's great, but it forgets the fact that the religious history books of the world are filled with paranormal and supernatural events. And many of them are more recent than we think.

I mean, not that long ago, we talked about when alien sky people, aka Silphs, attacked a church in Ireland about a thousand years ago. Yes. You keep bringing them up on the podcast. The Silphs? Yes. That was a bonus episode. Sky people had like to beep. That's not what it stands for, it's spelled different. Yeah, an interesting case, blurring the lines between religion and the paranormal. Yeah, and blurring lines between

what is an acceptable episode of this part of my life and unacceptable. So look, what I'm trying to say is today I'm going to tell you about a person who lived very recently in historical terms and is still celebrated today and we can decide. I'm sorry. It just sounds like you're clearly queuing us up to talk about Jesus. I'm going to tell you about a little guy, a little carpenter. Actually, I pull in a chair backwards.

Hey guys. Yeah. Let me tell you about a little guy who knew a little something about the world of the supernatural. Oh, you guys are, you cool kids are into your social media? Let me talk about another guy who had a couple followers. Yeah. Yeah, he got a couple of retweets when the dove of the Holy Spirit landed on his shoulder and tweeted out the word of the Lord. Uh, no, we're not talking about Jesus. To be completely

clear, we're talking about someone else whose life was absolutely wild and we can decide whether we think the events of that life were paranormal Damn Jesus was kind of the first influencer to get hard cancelled When you think about it like he just kind of like lost all his brand deals overnight You know all of them. All right, we're gonna get into something All right. We're going to get into something after a couple of words from today's sponsors and a quick reminder that every episode of This Paranormal Life is available ad free right now at patreon.com forward slash this paranormal life.

Link is in the description of this podcast. Smash that description area of YouTube or your podcast app to find the link to Patreon. Today's investigation begins in a small town of Konersreut in Upper Bavaria, Germany, 1946. Ooh, not a fun year as the country begins to rebuild itself after defeat in World War II just a year earlier. The vibe is not exactly electric in the quiet town. It's quiet and sombre. Outside a simple traditional cottage, an American Ford pulls up. Okay, not that big. It's not Vin Diesel. In the town, news spread quickly about who's inside the vehicle. It's the Indian-American yogi and Hindu monk, Paramahansa Yogananda. He sits patiently in the back seat. He's here to see someone.

But as the rain beats down on the car, it's become apparent they're nowhere to be found. The driver runs up to the door with a coat over his head. They say there's no one here. Should we head back to the last village? But Yogananda is adamant that they'll track down this person. No. I'll stay here until I find some clue leading to Theresa, when just then a local approaches

the car. Hello! I don't know for certain where she is, but she often visits the home of Professor Verse, a seminary master of Ike Stat, 80 miles from here." The Ford roared to life. Paramahansa Yogananda was a busy guy. He's far and away the most world-famous Indian spiritual leader, credited with bringing yoga to the West.

Have you read Autobiography of a yogi? No. This is like one of the best selling books of all time. Really? I read it like, I read it a long time ago, probably like 10 years ago. It's a pretty amazing book, but it's his like big book. It's like one of the most famous spiritual books there is. It just mostly follows his life. His whole thing was growing up in the Indian kind of spiritual movement of back in the day and then him moving to America and introducing all that to the West. He became incredibly famous in America, but it's filled with all sorts of miracles. But it became a very popular book and there's a lot of kind of important people who would like gift the

book to everyone they knew and stuff. Ah, that's sweet. I assumed it would just be about him stealing sandwiches from the park ranger. Right. Autobiography of a Yogi bear. Exactly. Yeah. Oh, well, oh, well, oh, well, I'm going to bring this sandwich all the way to the West.

I hear they've got some good picnics in America. Hey, boo boo. Have you tried meditation? Do you know what the funny thing is? There's such a good reference because it's a great book, a really fun read. And that's one of the only things I remember about reading it is he talks in

such great detail about food. It might genuinely be written by the bear. He describes all these amazing miracles and really moving passages, but he'll be like, they also served us lunch while I was there. It was honestly amazing. I mean, we're talking Peshawari naan, we're talking Laird on this beautiful curry, which

was made with apricots. You know, he goes into such detail. That sounds good. What I'm trying to say was why was this bloke so interested in a woman hiding in the German countryside? You see, he had heard stories of strange, mystical happenings surrounding this woman. And he had to see for himself, even if it meant travelling thousands of miles to meet her. And so they drove to the next town. When they arrived at the house in question,

Professor Wirtz himself confirmed that the mysterious Teresa was there. Although the bishop has asked that no one see her without his permission, she says that she will receive the man of God from India. They climbed the stairs to her room. As Yogananda went to her room, he thought about the miracles already associated with Teresa. Her life was already like a story from the Bible or something. She was born in 1898 to a large poor family in Connorsroyd.

As a teenager, she ran her father's farm when he left to fight in World War I. She was admired by everyone as a strong and capable worker. But one day on the farm, there was a terrible accident. Her uncle's barn was on fire, and everyone in the family was pitching in to help put out the flames. They were passing buckets of water along a line,

and then placing them up high on the roof. But Theresa could barely reach, so she found a stool nearby to stand on and get her higher. But in one fateful stretch, the stool buckled, and she took a serious fall, landing on the stool, paralysing her from the waist down. Damn! But although in terrible pain, she was determined to continue with basic tasks.

But sadly this only led to more misfortune as she suffered several more falls. She was borderline a contestant on a Japanese game show. And as if her luck wasn't bad enough, at one point she fell down the stairs to her family cellar one morning and hit her head, causing the doctor to declare her permanently blinded. Stop working for sure. I know, some people's work ethic really gets in the way. But I guess these were hard times and everyone had to kind of pitch in. But it was here at a rock bottom that her faith gave her comfort and hope. Teresa became completely devoted to the Catholic teachings.

Her spiritual journey intensified. She listened to scriptures, read constantly with family members, and began to receive more regular visits from the local priest, Father Joseph Naba. Naba is an important source in today's case, as he bared witness to much of what would happen next. Because the first documented strange occurrence in Teresa's life was April 29th, 1923. This was an important day in the Catholic Church because a French nun known as Little Flower was about to be officially beatified by the Pope in Rome. Teresa loved Little Flower and to celebrate the day her family placed a picture of Little

Flower above her bed and placed a rose on top. That's when something incredible happened. Right at the moment that the ceremony finished in Rome, the rose above Teresa's bed in Germany shattered, sending rose petals falling downwards. And as soon as a petal touched Teresa's forehead, she shouted out as if she had just gone super saiyan. Her parents rushed in. Teresa, my dear, what is it?

I can see! It's a miracle! I can see! Her sight had been completely restored in an instant. Wow! But this was only the beginning of a strange journey. Two years later, in 1925, Little Flower was to be canonized as a saint, and at that very moment, Teresa heard a quiet voice out of nowhere. Teresa, do you not want to become well? She answered.

Anything is all right with me. To be healthy, to remain sick, to die. Whatever is the will of God. I mean, if they're all up for grabs, I think probably take the healthy one for sure. If it's all the same to you. The voice continued. Fine, Teresa Teresa I shall obtain for you a small joy you shall now be able to sit up and to walk but you will still have much to suffer however be not afraid you have received help

through me in the past and I will also help you in the future. Theresa would go on to say it was as though instantly two strong hands just lifted her out of bed. And after being paralyzed for six full years, she found herself completely healed. Oh, shit. OK, so she's back to 100%. Yeah, yeah. She was up to like 45% HP.

She is now fully up to, she is back to brand new, basically. Wow, goddamn. And not only was she healed of the paralysis, but it said that the bed sores on her body were instantaneously healed and covered with a fresh layer of skin. She'd healed up like Wolverine, basically. Holy shit. Wow. It is said that the doctors couldn't believe what was happening. We are essentially seeing... I mean, this is only kind of the beginning of her story, but at this point, this is in, this is currently in the realms of like miraculous healings.

Right. I guess how much have we talked about this on the show before? I don't know. Have we ever? I think it's come up a couple of times, but maybe it says more about the paranormal in general, that whilst this is clearly a supernatural event, the paranormal is often a bit of a dark and dastardly place. Normally you're setting a curse to cripple somebody, not to heal them from being crippled. We talk a lot more about miraculous beatings on this podcast.

Oh yeah, we've seen a couple of beatification. Beat-ing people down with some fists. But it is true. You know, we come across a lot of curses by which paranormal means people are hurt, injured, killed, given horrible diseases. Yeah. Less often does it work the other way around, where some kind of spirit or some person through clearly almost telekinetic means is healing someone. So slow down, because we've done a lot today already.

So we've got the Americans in Bavaria searching for Teresa, was a child, was paralyzed, but then communicated telepathically with a saint who then brought her back to 100% health. Is that it? Yeah, you're up to speed. Okay, good, good, good. I may be missing something.

Well, we'll talk a little more about Yogananda later, but like I said, Yogananda had his own, if you read that book, Autobiography of a Yogi, which I recommend for fun. Audio book's great actually, I think that might've been how I read it. But he's a guy who's seen a couple miracles in his time, but not in the Christian faith. He would have seen it like you mentioned earlier, through the lens of spiritual, mystical stuff in the East. So I guess now that he lives in the West,

he's like, let me see what y'all are doing over here. Let me see the local flavor to these miracles and spiritual things. Yeah, because you guys haven't done a lot recently. You haven't done a lot of miracles. Yeah, I've got- It's a miracle, y'all are still here. I've got guys back home that can levitate.

And I don't think I misremember that. I think that's in the book. I think there's guys who can levitate, so I need to see something like that if I'm gonna be impressed. It's a miracle. Any of you motherf***ers have health care. Shania Twain voice, that don't impress me much. Alright, I need to see a little bit more. But that's part of why he was interested in Teresa. That don't impress Yogi much. So Miraculous Healing is pretty crazy, but we haven't actually touched the craziest phenomena that we will see today.

That would start one year later in 1926. In 1926, Teresa fell ill with a flu. But instead of recovering normally, she only deteriorated and deteriorated. Alright, sounds like that spell didn't work very well then. She's still getting sick. A lot. It was 1926, there was probably like germs from the Black Plague kicking about. God knows what they were getting. Yeah, but this was a bad flu.

Before long, she was thrown into quote, a state of semi-consciousness. Sicker than ever. She was borderline in a coma. a state of semi-consciousness. Sicker than ever, she was borderline in a coma. And she began having a full-scale divine vision. In the vision, she was walking in a garden when she encountered Christ himself. Holy shit!

That's when she knew she was in the Garden of Gethsemane and she could see disciples laying around on the ground. Teresa would later retell what happened. All at once, I felt a sharp pain in my side, and I thought that my last moments had come. Then I felt something running down my body. It was blood. Whoa.

At that moment, she snapped out of the vision, and in real life, she looked down to see there was an inexplicable cut in her abdomen about half an inch long. She and others knew it uncannily represented the place where the lance of Longinus penetrated the body of Jesus. Do you remember that from the whole crucifixion story, right? He gets speared. Yeah. And then, cause we've talked about the spear, haven't we? Talked about the lance. The lance.

Yeah, which is its own thing I thought about doing an episode of, cause it's like a, they call it like the lance of destiny or something like that. It's a crazy thing that apparently Hitler tried to track it down in World War II cause he was obsessed with the occult and people thought it was like a holy weapon that could be used to win good favour in battle and things like that. It's kind of a crazy story. You can go down a minefield with it. Yeah, I kind of forgot all that.

Similar to what I was saying at the top of the episode. Yeah, an awesome example again of how like religion today feels one way, but back in the day, there is like a mystical spear kicking about. Hell yeah. That pierced the skin of Jesus and could do untold shit. But look, fair enough, one injury that's a bit like Jesus maybe could be explained, but it only began a strange series of events because from now on, every Friday, like clockwork, Teresa would be plagued with the same symptoms. Each time, she would go into a state of hallucination and have visions.

And wake up to find a new stab wound. The exact same one reopened. Oh my God! That's horrible! Don't thank goodness it's Friday. This sounds like it's a whole new meaning to thank God it's Friday. Plead with God to stop. Stop the Fridays. It was escalating too because on Passion Friday, the week before Holy Week,

Teresa had a vivid vision of Christ carrying the cross. And when she came to, she found wounds appearing in the back of her hands the same place where Jesus had nails Through his hand during the crucifixion the fucked up thing is this would make me an atheist Because I'd be like, well, I just I'll just won't believe in any of it then because all it's doing is hurting me every week This sucks. Yeah, I'm gonna believe in something else all it's doing is hurting me every week. This sucks. I'm gonna believe in something else. It's an interesting point.

Do you have the option of being a doubting Thomas? Doubting Thomas famously was like, Jesus came up and was like, Hey Thomas, it's me, Jesus. And he was like, no, it's not. You're just a similarly handsome guy who looks, sure, weirdly like Jesus. And then Jesus did a kind of a weird thing,

but he was like, off. And he took his hand and he liked, didn't he like stick his hand through the holes and his or something. He was like, touch this. Yeah. Made him touch his, touch his wounds. I forgot about that.

And he was like, oh shit. And that's where doubting Thomas comes from. Yeah. He was like, oh shit, actually you are Jesus. Thomas got hard done by, because at that point, no one had ever returned from. Yeah. He was like, oh shit, actually you are Jesus. Thomas got hard done by because at that point no one had ever returned from the dead. So like he was well within his rights to assume it wasn't Jesus because a lot of motherf*****s at that time had long hair and a beard. Right. Like and there weren't that many fits going around. Everyone was kind of rocking the same style,

the same vibe. I assume everyone kind of looked very similar. So some dude that came up, it was like, hey, I'm the guy that just died. I would be like, no, you're not. Get out of here, man. Yeah, Thomas isn't being like, hold up. Where'd you get Jesus's sandals? I would recognize Jesus's sandals.

And he's taking out his AirPods. I would recognize his sandals anywhere. The Air Christ 2s. You're really Jesus? Show me your Instagram. Show me the verified tick. Jesus posting on Reddit, I rose from the dead, ask me anything. He's like, has to pose with a picture with his username on it,

so everyone knows it's him. This is where it started getting very worrying for her family, because it was a bit like something in a horror movie. Because if you think about it, she's now step by step very worrying for her family. Because it was a bit like something in a horror movie, because if you think about it, she's now step by step experiencing the same punishment as Jesus himself. And it's following the timeline like he experienced.

They were worried because it was ramping up towards Easter weekend. I don't know if you remember what happened at Easter, but Jesus died. Yeah. He died and then he rose again. Then he came back. What did that mean for Teresa?

And when Easter did come, yes, she was tormented as she writhed in pain in her bed for hours alongside visions of Christ's death on the cross. Eventually blood was seen trickling down from her eyes. Oh my God. and fearing the worst Father Nabber was summoned. But just as he was about to administer last rites on Easter Sunday, Theresa's torment stopped and she fell back into bed and within a few hours she was almost completely recovered. I mean I've personally been bed-bunned with some pretty severe hangovers over the years, writhing in pain with visions of the embarrassing shit I did the night before,

but bleeding from the eyes is a totally new level. Yeah, that's pretty bad. But look, Roy, you might already know that this very, very strange mysterious phenomena does have a name, and it is not the first nor the last time it would ever happen. This is called the Stigmata. Now interestingly, Stigmata actually has happened all around the world in a variety of different faiths but at least in the West it almost always refers to Christian mysticism where people have wounds that appear that seem to correspond with

Christ's crucifixion. Mmm okay and the cool thing is you know we know that we know the big times Jesus got hurt you know like the crucifixion the spear all that stuff there is probably a ton of times where he like stubbed his toe got his like his hand caught in a door as it closed or something like that. We don't even know what injuries we suffer on a daily basis that are actually stigmatized. Yeah, yeah, because you just know like someone who's like Teresa who's had the stigmata for years and then maybe it kind of falls off and everyone's like yeah I feel like I feel like she doesn't really get it anymore. She's like no no I got it. I got it.

I got conjunctivitis. I got pink eye the other day. I bet Jesus got that too. Maybe. I don't know. I guess hygiene was probably not great in those days. But it wasn't in the Bible that you got pink eye. I sprained my ankle.

Probably when they lifted him down off the cross, he probably like, ah. Oh, shit. Yeah. Or like rolled his ankle. I have like a bad back sometimes if I sleep weird. And that's probably, well, damn, that's off the cross, he'd probably like, ah! Oh, shit, yeah. Or like rolled his ankle. I have like a bad back sometimes if I sleep weird. And that's probably, well damn, that's probably the cross. Carrying the cross, you know?

So like, yeah, God. Maybe we all get it. They're like, look, Teresa, I know you've enjoyed having free church accommodation for the last few years, but you know, you're not really getting the stigma anymore. No, no, no, I'm still in pain. Ah, ah, oh, I'm in such pain. No, but you gotta go. We've got someone else coming. We've got a lady who's coming in whose eyes are bleeding right now. She's got to have your bed. This is a genuinely mental and pretty unbelievable phenomenon, but it's existed for hundreds or thousands of years.

Interestingly, it affects almost exclusively women. About 85 or 90% of people who've experienced it are women. Wow, I didn't know that. Although, like many avenues of life, the most famous cases by far are men, whether that's Saint Francis of Assisi or Padre Pio. But in the case of Teresa, this was her life now. From this day forward, every Friday, she would experience something, although a bit less dramatically. And those wounds we mentioned would reopen again and again, never fully healing. Eugh. At one point, she developed nine cuts around her head, thought to represent Christ's crown of thorns.

Hmm. Sometimes, during her trances, she would speak in ancient and distant languages like Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek, none of which she knew a word of. Why is she just experiencing all the bad shit that happened to Jesus? Isn't there any moments where she wakes up and she's like, Oh shit, I taste wine and bread. Oh, amazing. This must have been when he was having supper with his guys.

Totally. You know? What about the nice stuff? I think he had his feet washed at one point. That must have been nice. Yeah, at least once. Yeah. It's bad though when those are the

only things, the good things we can even think of, you know. He had mates. He had a close network of mates. So I was mates a lot. Yeah. So she's like, oh, do I get to like hear the voices of the disciples echoing throughout time, joining me on my journey through this religious pilgrimage. And the voices are like, nah, here's a time where Jesus got kicked in the nuts. I know you don't have nuts, but you're going to feel this one. We're going to give you nuts for the day just to make them hurt. You've seen that video of the monk getting kicked in the nuts. No, I've never seen I haven't seen it.

It's a great, it's a great classic internet video. There's like a monk, I don't know what faith or background of the world this comes from, but there's a monk who can allegedly use his supernatural abilities to suck his nutsack up into his body. Wow. Now like a turtle's head. Exactly. That's pretty cool.

And instead of, you would think that the kind of gross but scientific way of proving this would be to simply take a photograph and show a scientist. Maybe get a video of him like, taking them in or pushing them back out. Instead, he does us one better, and he's uploaded several videos to the internet of him getting another monk to repeatedly kick him in the nuts,

or where his nuts should be. And he's unfazed? And he's utterly unfazed. That's pretty cool, I'm not gonna lie. I would show it to Rory right now. If I did that, that would be the only evidence in this case so far, so I'm not gonna do that, I'm not gonna have that accusation leveled at me.

That honestly could be a whole episode. It kind of could be, right? Like, you know, supernatural, like martial arts abilities over the years. We've heard of those for sure. You make a good point about Jesus, right? It was the end of his life specifically that was quite bloody and brutal. It's like an author I like, he said something once that stuck with me, that he was like, nature documentaries are bullshit because they make the natural world seem nasty and brutish and brutal and horrible for the animals. They just get ripped apart by coyotes while they're peacefully trying to live their life. But as he points out, he's like, that animal had a chill life for like 20 years before

the bit they filmed where he got ripped apart. Like he had a nice time and then sure, the last two minutes were really stressful and nasty. Yeah. But the vast majority of his life was fine. That's like Jesus. He didn't even become the stepson who stepped up until he was like 30 years old.

I wish that only the last 20 minutes of my life were stressful and nasty. I've got that scheduled for multiple days a week. Yeah. All right? So yeah, they got it pretty good. Yeah, I'm hopefully not going to be crucified like anyone in the modern world. But yes, mine and your cross to bear is just experiencing a low level of stress and psychological torment just through our lives.

That's the average person's experience of life. Yeah. But there was one more bizarre phenomenon of the stigmata which also affected Theresa. Maybe even the most difficult to explain. Because by the time Yogananda visited Theresa, she had had another vision and heard another voice. Henceforth you will live entirely off the Eucharist and will have no need for earthly food.

So by the time Yogananda opened that door to meet Theresa, she hadn't had a bite to eat or a sup to drink in 18 years. What the f*** is a Eucharist? Is that a plant? That is the little bread wafer. Ah, got it. Got it. Why?

I think it's just a supernatural flex. Feels like Little Flower is just like seeing what she can get away with now. It's like, and also you have to wear all your clothes inside out. I think she's going to do it. I was going to say all these little flower messages to Theresa are like the opening 30 minutes of tutorial in a video game. Like, okay, you've got a new ability. You can project balls of light from your hand just kind of ha and like it'll come out and

you can kind of like break pots like in Legend of Zelda. Okay, I'll be back in like five minutes with another ability And look this sounds mad But this is as well documented and studied as it can be for like the 1920s or 30s Professor Ewald of Ollingen a proud skeptic found no explanation over a period of observation for how she was still alive. He said, not only did Theresa survive, she seems to be thriving. She says all, she's seeing more weird visions than ever.

Turns out after three years of eating fucking Ritz crackers, she's seeing ghosts, demons, she's blind in one eye bleeding out of every corner of her body It's a miracle. Yeah, the the standards for our religious Ascetic are slightly different to the thriving that me or you would think of Yeah, she's not like benching 200 pounds or something. She's no, to be clear, she's still kind of living a pretty chill life. He said quote, she ought to be dried up like a mummy, but she's fresh looking and lively. He said you might think that she might have gone into some kind of metabolic hibernation and yet she does not.

She moves, speaks, reads, write letters and goes about her business in a way that cannot be explained. For something cannot come from nothing. I think at night she is sneaking Gatorade. I'm just going to say it. Let's just... I think it's best if we all be honest here. I think it's best we just put our ideas as they're kind of occurring to us. I think we've given Teresa a lot of respect as she is owed as a pillar of the kind of Catholic mystic community. We are allowed to be skeptical, okay?

We are entering the territory of things we've seen before that the modern world has seen before, which is people claiming to live off nothing. Yeah. Which is that there is a high bar to evidence on that. Humans need water to live. Yes. They just do.

You can, yeah. So to recap, you can survive like, I don't know, a month without food or a couple of months or something. But water is like a few days. Yeah. Right. So unless she is dunking that bread in water, like professional hot dog eaters do before she consumes it.

I don't see a world in which she is staying nourished enough to survive. Yeah, there's actually a great moment here when Yogananda finally meets Teresa. And in his own words, he describes meeting her. He said, quote, don't you eat anything? She replied, no, except a consecrated rice flour wafer once every morning at 6 a.m. And he replied, how large is the wafer? Fair question. How wet is that wafer?

That's what I want to know. Which I love. Like he's he's trying to be respectful, but he's like, I just need to. Is this like a loaf of bread? And she's called it a wafer and she's like, I just need to... Is this like a loaf of bread? And she's calling it a wafer and she's dunking like a professional eater. She's dunked it in a vat of water. But she says,

alright bitch, it's paper thin. The size, quote, of a small coin. That's all she eats every day? Yes. And Yogananda himself said that while he was with her, he watched, quote, blood flow thinly and continuously From her eyelids eat a burger woman eat some food you are that you are not well

He said the cloth wrapped around her head was drenched in blood Oh my god wounds from her crown of thorns and stigmata wounds from her crown of thorns and somehow she would go on to live another 16 years after that before eventually dying of a heart attack in 1962 which is funny you say eat a burger because i've written this goes to show eat what you want because she ate one way for a week and still had a heart attack so eat a big mac Mac, who cares? There you go, people of the world. Heart disease comes for us all in the end. But Rory, this begs the question, what is a stigmata? What is even happening here? And is it paranormal? I will say stigmata is kind of controversial as it is. This is in the realm of Christian mysticism.

It's like one of these ancient beliefs that's carried forward to the modern day, but isn't even believed widely. As I say, churches become kind of more sanitized and there's now even more denominations. Like I think, I'm not a scholar. I don't think if you went to most Protestant denominations that they would accept this as fact.

Right, right. I think in the Catholic Church, a lot of people recognize this and believe this, but probably not even everyone. It is somewhat officially recognized. Seven famous stigmatists are officially saints. Wow. People like Francis Assisi and Padre Pio. But at the same time, it's important to note

that as many times as the church or a doctor has investigated a stigmata and verified it, there are also several confirmed hoaxes where people were secretly giving themselves these cuts. Even in the case of Padre Pio, during his lifetime, several skeptics claimed that he was buying large quantities of acid to burn his hands with. Oh my god! So, you know, and that's like the most famous guy almost, so I'm not saying even that's what I think happened.

I don't even know when it comes to him, but even during his lifetime, just to say that people were like, what is going on here? What is really, really happening here? You know, it's funny, the more I think about it, I actually got a stigmata myself. I think it's a story I've told on the podcast, but I'm gonna go ahead and say it's actually pretty close. You know this story, Kit, when I was growing up in Northern Ireland. It was Pancake Tuesday, which marks the beginning. Shrove Tuesday. Shrove Tuesday,

which marks the beginning of Lent, a time of sacrifice in the Christian church. And I was at home making pancakes with my family. It was my turn to make my set of pancakes. Hands were a little buttery, of course, because I've been cooking all day. Went to flip a pancake and the pan slipped out of my hands and went flying through the air without thinking.

I wanted to stop it from hitting the tile floor. So I grabbed the boiling pan with both hands, searing the insides oh it actually gets even better okay so I burnt the insides of my hands so badly skin just absolutely destroyed couldn't sleep that night because I couldn't take my hands out of ice water if you took them out they would start boiling again so you had to keep them in there so that night I actually had to sleep on my bedroom floor in a T-pose! Just like the Lord with my hands in two buckets of water!

You had nothing but a kind of loin on your body. Because it was so hot! With ice cold towel around your head, looked like a crown of thorns. It was a whole thing. A Power Rangers action figure piercing my side. You know? Now you're laying on it. Wow.

Yeah. That's pretty wild. Roy's like, on Shrove Tuesday, I burned my mouth on hot maple syrup, just like Jesus did on Shrove Tuesday. It's crazy, right? Wow. Yeah. It's crazy, right? Uh, wow. Yeah, that's pretty close. Happening on a religious day, burning a place where Jesus hurt himself and then

having to sleep crucified on my bedroom floor. I'm imagining you reaching with that pan is like, you know, in Indiana Jones, where the Nazi scientist reaches into the fire to get the medallion. Yeah. Honestly. Yeah. It's one of those times And he's like, ah! Honestly, yeah. It's one of those times where you're like, your brain just like makes a decision without you thinking about what's gonna happen.

You just grab the hot thing. For sure. That was pretty bad. Worst burn of my life. There weren't enough pancakes to cheer me up. Yeah, so imagine that happening to you every Friday, like clockwork, and hate to say it, no pancakes involved. Yikes.

Yikes. I also was eating very thin pieces of bread, just with a little more maple syrup and Nutella. Yeah, I didn't really show any photos up tonight, but just for visual reference, this is kind of what those injuries, what those wounds would have looked like. That is Teresa herself and

then Padre Pio in an earlier time period I believe. Wow, all right yeah these are some old timey photos. Damn Padre Pio is really rocking the old school kind of friar look. It's kind of a fit pic isn't it? Like he's kind of looking off in the distance posing. Yeah it goes hard he's got that like sick rope belt. Yeah. We need to bring that back. Some beads hanging. Yeah, he looks like a Jedi master.

Whereas, Theresa, yeah, she's having a bit of a rougher time over there. Damn, I'm just seeing the holes in her hands. Holy shit. That is wild to see. Yeah, miserable. I mean, are they like, are they cuts on her hands or is it like straight up Jesus nail through the hand?

Yeah, I don't know. I actually don't know. It can't be, it can't be straight through. Crazy stuff. I know, although do you ever see like magicians will do that or like I say magicians, I'm really talking about like Darren Brown or something. I think he's done the old needle through the hand.

Right. Cause isn't that a thing you can like, I don't know. Is that true? Like a trick needle or perspective or something. No, but I think there's people who've done it for real because you can, I'm not kidding. I think people have done this for real where you can like, isn't it like if you cut yourself,

it's like on some prestige shit. It's like, if you cut yourself in the hand, and now there's like a place you can do it where it can go through and then it heals up, but it doesn't hit anything and then it's kind of then all scar tissue. So then if you ever cut it, I mean a little bit like what's going on here. It's like it can just be cut time and again. I don't think this is a real, I think it's probably a trick needle. No, I don't think so. I don't think any magician is going to a kid's birthday party, turning around and quickly slicing their hand open with a f***ing blade.

Yeah well not, you know, not like a guy called like, the great Russo the Clown, I mean like a guy who does it once for a TV special. Could you imagine being that magician at the kid's birthday party and you're like, one second children, you turn around, you're like, all right, just gotta, oh, oh, actually, I nicked myself a little more. All right, can you get your daddy?

Can you get your daddy? We need a first aid kit. We're here, whoa, I'm getting woozy. You're trying to get a napkin, but it's never ending. You're just pulling and pulling and pulling. Oh my God. Well, I don't know. A sword swallower really swallows the sword. Yeah, that's different though.

Not really. I think it is. Not really. They figured a pathway to get it to do a thing. Yeah, but I think they also have their own sword. You can't just give them a sword and say, swallow it. I think they have probably a dulled blade that's a certain type of sword that works best for that type of thing.

I'm just going to tell you. I need you to know right now, magic isn't real. Okay. I had to give it a quick Google. I have to read into this more. The Darren Brantrick is actually more mental than I remember. I thought he stuck it through his own hand. He actually puts it through just a random guy's hand.

So yeah. I'm going to assume he didn't cut that stranger open and slide a needle through him. I think he did. Without him knowing. I think he did. I'm going to watch this later. Okay.

I actually have a friend who he was one of Darren Brown's guinea pigs. He like brought him up on stage show and stage show. Wow. That's pretty cool. And he, I can't remember what he made him pigs. He like brought him up on stage during a stage show. Wow, that's pretty cool. And he, I can't remember what he made him do. He made him do something mental. Like, yeah, I don't know. Like he did like a triple backflip or something.

Definitely. Guy could barely walk. All right. Well, I'm gonna throw a friend of mine, Richard Bearpark is actually, he is a magician. Yeah, but that's an actual magician. He's part of the magic circle, which is kind of cool. Whereas, look, Chris Angel can really walk on air.

I've seen it on YouTube. Listen to his second name. Yes, that's what I'm saying. Chris, Christoffer Angel is his name. Christoffer. So what I'm saying is anything's possible. And that vibe, I think, will help us in our conclusion today, because we're at the end of every episode

of This Paranormal Life, we do have to decide whether we think our given story is paranormal or not. Maybe in today's case, it helps us to think of it as, yeah, is it supernatural or not? Is it paranormal or not? Or is it, I don't know what else it can be. Yeah, I mean, except for a hoax. A hoax, it can be a hoax.

Which, you know, we see a lot in the world of UFOs, but also you do see a lot in the world of religion, because people who are very religious, very passionate about it, who devote their lives to it, are completely engrossed by it, they want to be a part of that thing. And they want the attention. They want to feel close to the heavens and all that stuff.

And some people take it a bit too far. They claim to have seen angels. They say they see faces of the Virgin Mary in things. This is a surprisingly common kind of occurrence, not stigmata specifically, because I think this is where you really test people, is like, okay, people love to come up with these theories and get themselves involved in the church.

It's like, do you love it enough to put needles through your hands and bleed from your eyes? That's really testing people. So it's hard to say, It's really hard to say. I think, I think we just have to listen to science a little bit in today's case as well, which my basic understanding of would let me know that nobody could survive by eating a cracker a day for three years.

Yeah. So there, so that's what you're left with. It's either literally a miracle or a series of unbelievable miracles or something ain't right. Something maybe not be right. I've said on the podcast before, you know, the last thing I ever want someone to think

is that if I ever talk about a religious story, religious affiliated story, that we're, I think we're the last people to ever bash a religious story. That is never why we cover something. And I actually, I think we're the last people to ever bash a religious story. That is never why we cover something. And I actually, I've said it many, many times in the podcast, I really love and enjoy religions that try to work with the paranormal. And Catholicism is one of those. Catholicism has a rich history of miracles, supernatural events.

We've talked about some of them, where like, what was the one where like an angel appeared to a bunch of people? Ooh, Our Lady Fatima. Yeah, that's right. Is that it? Yeah. Yeah, Fatima.

That was a fun one. Like they- That was a wild one. The Catholic Church- Can I go back and give that one a double yes? No, you're gonna muddy the waters for your own conclusion today, I think. Okay, yeah.

Cause you were talking about science a second ago, and how much you love science. Now that we've talked about like stigmatas and the pancake burns that I had as a child, and I'm starting to just realize that maybe there's more to this whole thing than I think. And I don't wanna piss the big guy off because apparently it can get a lot worse. Too late for that.

He sent you the Dublin Gorilla Man, which is what he thinks of you. He sent the Dublin Gorilla Man to kill you and he failed. But the Catholic Church spends a lot of time sorting through these events. We mentioned it before. They have staff that this is their job. Okay. I've watched- They still perform exorcisms.

I've watched documentaries where they talk to the people at Lourdes. Lourdes is the famous pilgrimage site in France where people go and sometimes miracles are performed. And I've seen them. I've watched a guy on television get out of a double arched folder and he's like most of the shit that people say is miracles is not a miracle. It's nonsense, but he goes,

but we keep a list of all the stuff that's happened over the last few hundred years, which we've investigated to within an inch of its life and we think cannot be explained. Here is all the occasions. And he's like, he's like this person this day had this incurable cancer. Here's the scans of their brain. They came here and then they were cured within a week. They have, they keep a list of all this kind of stuff. I'm not saying I believe that, but I think that is a fun way of investigating the paranormal.

Of not just waving it away, but instead saying, all right, well, like, cool, what is going on here? They're like, this boy from Northern Ireland, worst pancake burns I've ever seen in my life We thought he was lost we thought he was gone He showed up, ran his hands under the water totally healed

We thought he would never enjoy pancakes again and yet look at him today, it's a photo of you and IHOP eating his stack of pancakes hands in bandages Unfortunately we couldn't cure whatever is wrong with his brain. But the hands are fine. Hands are fine.

We actually thought, yeah, we thought the pan had hit him on the head, but apparently it was already like that. So pretty crazy. Apparently he was all he was saying, me likey pancakes before the incident. So I think he was just that's just how he is. He didn't even know he was using healing water. He was just trying to wash the syrup off his fingers and he accidentally cured himself. It is a miracle.

So I like and appreciate the commitment to investigating this phenomena. But I think you've hit the nail on the head Rory. You know, I think when it comes to, you know, matters of religion, you know, they say that like, that's why religious people talk about faith so much is because sometimes the stories in the Bible or religious stories from any walk of life, because by the way, I mentioned earlier, there are stigmata all through Buddhist iconography. There is famous Buddhist stigmata as well. It is not just Christianity, but in religion,

people often talk about faith and how the point of faith is that you mentally make a leap of faith that you transcend the world of science and proof and evidence into kind of a more mystical beyond. I think that's amazing if that's part of your worldview, but that's slightly different to what we're doing in this part of my life, which is just teeing up evidence. And yeah, I think it's hard. Whilst doctors and psychologists have evaluated these people over the years and thinking specifically about Teresa, there is conflicting reports. Some doctors support it.

They said, look, I watched her for a week and she didn't eat a bite. And then you had psychologists evaluating her and didn't think everything was as it appears. So, um, uh, I guess that's my way of saying I can take the lead. I think if this is some religious phenomena, that's great, but that doesn't mean I think it's a legit paranormal phenomena that we're going to put on the board today as a double yes. So I'm giving it a no. Yeah, I think I'm right there with you. It's going to be a no from me this week. But you know, despite our track record on ghost stories,

I would consider myself a reasonably spiritual individual. So I'm always open to these cases and ready to take the leap of faith, even when it comes down to our own conclusions. I think we need to check out that Spear of Destiny. That is gonna be a cool one. Right, maybe that would change our view of things, you know, if we find out that it's real and the one who owns it

wields a kind of Thanos level power over the universe. Hell yeah. Maybe we'll be looking at old Theresa's story a little differently. We'd be like, oh yeah, the Lance can do that all right. Yeah, yeah, you never know till we investigate it. Sorry, did I say Thanos? Of course we would wield the spear with kindness and honesty and for the good of humanity. Kid finally gets his hands on the spear, he just goes kill them all and snaps his finger.

And the priest is like, that's not how it works. That's not how the spear works at all. You're like, what? Shit, I thought I had like unlimited power now. And they're like, no, it just makes you like a little lucky if you go to a casino or something. But obviously they won't let you in. You have to leave that in the cloak room.

Yeah, I'm like, no, I could finally exact my wheels, snap my finger, pancakes everywhere. But guys, thank you for joining us on this adventure through the world of Teresa Neumann, Paramahansa Yogananda. Maybe not the last time we hear from him. Maybe check out that book if you're so interested for a little bit of light reading. And I'm sure we will have more episodes on this very topic but guys if this paranormal mystery has tickled you if you cannot get enough paranormal mysteries in your digital inbox we have just the place for you to

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They're only available to our lovely patrons. We do really fun stuff over there. It's worth mentioning that Apple has changed how billing works on iPhones, I think. So just as a fun tip, that this doesn't affect any of our existing patrons. But if you are to sign up to Patreon, it is actually cheaper if you sign up online.

Oh, there's a little tip. Rather than in the app. The app's great, and you can use it after the fact. But just a little tip. Oh, there's a little tip. Rather than in the app. The app's great and you can use it after the fact, but just a little tip. Apparently it's not great. Yeah, yeah. Apparently they're charging people extra money. I wish we had control over it.

I really wish you did. But as I say, if you're a patron, it does not affect you. But if you are thinking of signing up, you can still get that low, low rate that we've been quoting for years of as little as $5 a month, but particularly if you sign up online. Yeah, or you can use the app and you'll get a stigmata,

bleeding from your wallet. Okay. How about that, apparently? Because Mr. Jobs is bleeding you dry. Yeah, all right. The less we say on that one, the better, am I right, guys? Apparently he has risen. That's all I have.

Tax rates. Yeah. On the paranormal peasants. And at the end of every episode, we like to give a quick shout out to those who supported us on Patreon. Let's do it. A special thank you today to Chev Chilios. Chev Chilios has eaten nothing but Cheerios every day for three years. Wow. I don't know if it's a religious thing or just he really loves the cereal. Cheerios Really are great. I disagree. They really are like for I would say honey nut Honey nut now you got me back on board. I mean they're like I think they're all good

But even the bog standard Cheerios I think like when you place it on a level with like, okay, of course everyone would rather have a bowl of Cocoa Pops. But when we're talking about the healthier end of cereal spectrum, it is surprisingly sweet. You forget though, I have tasted American cereal, which is essentially crystal meth. So anything you have after that is just like eating dirt in a milky bowl. Yeah, but, but, uh, yeah, I mean, I do agree that there is a lot of pretty cursed cereals. I think like I ate a lot of wheat a bit screwing up.

Yeah, me too. And really on reevaluation, that's not food. No, they made a shoe edible. It's pure wheat. It's a bale of hay. In the post kind of woke gluten-free world Eating a dried biscuit of shredded wheat It's so archaic, it's wild. What were we thinking? Wheatabix, yeah, they were they were terrible. At least Coco Pops has the decency to be rice. Oh yeah.

Which is like a generally balanced kind of meal to eat. A little bit better. And then if you're lucky, occasionally you get a box of golden nuggets. You get some cinnamon crunch. They are yee-haw. We're hungry I think. But Chev, Cheerios, I think you could survive just on Cheerios. I think so too.

Good start to the day. Not a bad idea. Chev, thank you also to Danielle McLaren. Danielle McLaren is clearing about 16 boxes of Cheerios a week. What? Is this a commune thing? Did we? I know we ran out of eggs and clean drinking water and most other supplies, but is Cheerios really all we have left?

Yeah, well, we did think it would be easier if everyone just ate one big meal a day instead of having to get everyone in the kitchen, out of the kitchen, in the kitchen. And we told them it was the warrior diet. Warriors didn't even f*** Cheerios. We're doing the Cheerio diet which is eat this food or we say Cheerio. Cheerio from the world of the living! Cheerio! We're surprisingly, we're like very courteous in like Hugh Grunt in the commune. We're holding a gun at the same time.

Well done Daniel. I mean you're hitting, that is not rookie numbers. Thank you lastly today, but not leastly, thank you to the support of Dean Murray. Dean Murray? Why are you in a hurry? Where do you think you're going? Cheeky Chappy. Hey, everyone's back at the canteen eating Cheerios.

Where do you think you're going? Yeah, trying to find where the rest of the food is? Because you won't. Yeah. No, no, no. Yeah, you just keep what you're saying. You can smell something. Yeah, well, we might be cooking up a little bit of a story.

I promise you what we're cooking up in District 1 is just more Cheerios. That's all it is. It may smell like bacon, eggs, fresh croissants, freshly squeezed orange juice and a little bit of Prosecco because you've got to make those mimosas of course. But that's just what it smells like. Sometimes that's just what Cheerios smell like. Yeah, they're that good. So why don't you hurry on back to your own district?

That's what I'll say. Or I say cheerio. I accidentally fire a warning shot. Sorry Dean, wow. That was crazy. Sorry about that bud. Hey, have a free bowl of cheerios on the house. Didn't mean to snap, crackle and pop.

Dean, thank you for your understanding in the commune through these trying times. Thank you to everyone in the commune for supporting us over on Patreon. We are going to be back on Patreon on Friday, this week with an after party. We're going to talk a little bit more about this week's investigations, the behind the scenes of the show. We're also back this month with a bonus episode, but of course also back on Tuesday right here on the main feed with another paranormal tale. We're also out of Cheerios. Just squeezing that in there right at the end. We just ran out. So I know nobody wanted to hear this, but we are going

to have to bring back Chompeys. Oh everyone groans. I know. Worse than Weetabix. Yes, that was a record record number of deaths in the commune. It was the first time that we brought Chompees to the public. But it's coming back. It is coming back. So just get your bulls ready. Head on over to the merch store. You can still get your Chompees t-shirts. It's the best cereal straight from North Korea. It's the best cereal. We technically can't call it cereal.

It's cereal. All right, ciao down. Ciao down. We will see you next week. Bye bye.