This Paranormal Life - America’s Most VIOLENT Haunting: The San Pedro Poltergeist

Episode Date: March 3, 2026

If you don’t believe in ghosts, you will be the end of this episode. In the summer of 1989, Jackie Hernandez started to experience bizarre paranormal activity in her home - unsettling noises from the attic, ghostly figures watching her sleep and even blood oozing from the walls. She eventually recruited a documentary crew to help her investigate the home, but they didn’t realise that by entering this house, their very lives would be at risk… Support us on ⁠⁠Patreon.com/ThisParanormalLife⁠⁠ to get access to weekly bonus episodes! Follow us on ⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Join our Secret Society Facebook Community⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Buy Official TPL Merch!⁠⁠ Edited by Philip Shacklady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

If you don't believe in ghosts right now, you will by the end of this podcast. This podcast you're about to hear tells the story of a single mother named Jackie Hernandez, whose home was haunted by an entity that was so real it almost took a man's life. But how can a ghost kill someone in the world of the living? If they did, can you give them the death penalty? Why does it hurt so much when you stand on a piece of Lego? All of these questions you can find the answer to on this paramour! Hello everyone and welcome back to this paranormal life, the comedy paranormal podcast, where every week we investigate a brand new paranormal tale and come to a conclusion as to whether or not we believe it really is paranormal.

I am so excited to be hosting today's case and I'm not lying in the intro. I think this story that we're covering today is one of the wildest ghost stories that I have ever heard about. It was all there in the intro. A ghost almost killed a guy. I mean, it didn't. But it thought about it. And it's pretty impressive. It is pretty impressive. I'm honestly surprised I didn't hear about this case sooner, especially because Cariel Holmer emailed us this case in 2017. So really should have checked that a little bit earlier than this. That is nine years ago, someone brought this to our attention. Sure. And we're finally getting round to it. Most of the information that I have on this story today

comes from an amazing documentary series called An Unknown Encounter. And let me tell you something. From the very start of this documentary, I knew I was getting into something special. And let me tell you, as someone who's been skeptical of ghost stories in the past, this one might have even changed my opinions.

This is how the documentary begins. Do you believe in ghosts? Ever since the dawn of mankind, people have reported encounters with things unknown, things that go bump in the night. In a moment you will embark on such an encounter. You're going to see authentic videotape of a true haunting, not a reenactment. And during the course of this program, you will meet some fascinating people who claim to have come face to face with ghosts. What a start. We're, uh, this is really the, this paranormal life equivalent of whenever the teacher wheels in the TV and the VHS tape player in the morning and you're like, let's go.

Yeah. Honestly, I don't know the last time we hosted a case with this much supporting evidence. Um, but this is a good upsell that if you do want to, um, check out the video, just see our beautiful mugs in 4K. now maybe 1080P to be honest YouTube and Spotify that's where you can and Patreon of course you can get full video episodes Yeah check it out

Our story today begins not long ago In the summer of 1989 It's a warm night in San Pedro California And a woman named Jackie Hernandez Was sleeping peacefully at her home With her young child When suddenly she jumped awake

Jackie didn't know why But for some reason She was filled with an overwhelming sense of dread like something evil had crept into the house. She jumped out of bed and quickly made her way to the children's bedroom, peeking in through a crack in the door. Everything seemed normal.

Light off, kid tucked into bed. But as the door swung open to reveal the rest of the room, she saw him. Sitting upright on one of the small beds, facing her directly was the dark silhouetted figure of an old decrepit man. His body looked thick. in, almost wasted away, and he sat hunched over as if he'd been sitting there for hours.

Even in the low light, she could make out his red lumberjack-style flannel t-shirt and old denim suspenders. Jackie was frozen on the spot, and so was the figure. It sat motionless, eyes locked onto hers, and then, as quickly as it had arrived, the figure disappeared. Now Kit, we're lucky. we don't have real people lives. When we see a ghost, I've got plenty of time to deal with that. Jackie Hernandez, however,

was a single mother of one boy, soon to be two boys, as I believe she was pregnant at the beginning of this case. Yousa. Which, that's got to be about the worst thing that can happen when you're pregnant.

Yeah. Is finding out that ghosts are real. Yeah. Because I feel like when you get to a point when you're ready to have a kid, there's a lot of things you have to consider already. And then while you're pregnant, you realize ghosts are also real? Well, not only that, but you live with one. And,

well, but on the flip side, you know, I kind of wonder if this is, you know, you know, they sometimes say like, you know, if you got a job, give it to the busy guy. Because that guy's so in the flow of life, it's just like getting through stuff. So, you know, you got an unemployed motherfucker interacts with this ghost and it just tears their life apart. They're like, I spent all my day inside the house. Right. I'm not even leaving. Yeah. Whereas, you know, like, your single mother, you know, uh, it's like, she's like, listen to you,

you son of a bitch. It's like, we got to be up in two hours. I gotta make, I gotta make, I gotta make lunches for school. I got to get my uniform. I haven't even ironed my uniform for the morning for going to work. It's like, I got a bunch of shit to do. So you better just, if you're gonna be here, shut the fuck up, stay in the corner. Don't dare wake my son up.

Or it's gonna be a kind of whip ass opened. Yeah. And the ghost is like, I was born three thousand slaps him upside the head. Hey, he's sleeping. Yeah, he's sleeping. He's sleeping. All right? What time is it, huh? Do they have clocks when you died? Mother f***? He's like, okay, sorry, sorry. I'll just, I'll haunt in the corner then.

Yeah, you will haunt in the corner. Don't come near this little guy. Is that, have you got peanuts? They're still boys allergic to nuts. Get the fuck out of here. All right, get the car out of here. I died choking on a nut. I don't care. I don't care how you died. I'll choke you again, you son of a bitch. Whereas the unemployed guy, as soon as he starts get haunted by a ghost, he's like, what are you doing later? You want to play like Xbox or something? The ghost is like, I don't know what that is. It's a really cool game. They've made like three of them now. Xbox 360, Xbox one.

Xbox, the new one, I don't remember what the... Is it a box shaped like an X? The first one kind of was. Low key. It was pretty big. But now it's kind of like a normal console. The ghost is like, shouldn't you be at work or something? Don't have a job.

It sounded like my f***ed dad. Yeah, what the hell? Ease up, man. Get off my back. Jesus. The ghost is like sitting you down. I just think it's important to have goals in life so that you have some direction for where you want to go. Yeah, I know, I know, I know.

You're not a bad guy, Michael. You just need to focus. I floated down the street the way here. I saw Radio Shack was hiring. I heard they got good benefits. Jackie was often working so much that she had to recruit her friend and neighbor, Susan, to help look after the kids. Susan would often see Jackie stressed or tired. But lately, things have been getting worse.

Eventually one morning, Jackie showed up at Susan's door with borderline tears in her eyes. She looked like she hadn't slept in days. After Susan calmed her down, Jackie told her everything. Things in the house had been getting worse. Strange noises in the night, orbs of light appearing out of nowhere, objects floating into the air and being launched at her. And maybe most terrifying of all, something moving around.

in the attic. Oh, Jesus. Now being the good friend that Susan was, she believed Jackie and visited the house several times to investigate alongside her. And this is where we get witness number two. Almost immediately, Susan also began witnessing bizarre and frightening paranormal events. Now, Kit, you and I have covered a lot of paranormal stories before where something like this is taking place.

It's textbook poltergeist activity. Objects moving, strange noises, yada yada, a kid gets picked up and thrown down the stairs. But what happens next is where even I, a veteran of the paranormal world, would start to get a little nervous. One evening, while doing chores around the house, Jackie noticed something strange in the kitchen. In the corner of the room, there were cracks right where the walls met the ceiling. And as she approached these cracks to investigate, she noticed there was a different. dark ooze-like substance dripping out of them. Not that hell, Ghostbusters stuff?

Maybe most worrying, those cracks were leading up to the attic, where Jackie had been hearing the strange noises at night. At this point, a lot of the signs were pointing to the same place in this house. The attic. So being the brave woman that she was, Jackie decided to investigate. The entrance to the attic was located in the laundry rooms, So she climbed on top of a washing machine and opened the hatch. The attic was pitch black, so dark that it was hard to see anything without a flashlight.

But there was something that she could make out. Jackie gasped and threw a hand over her mouth. In the back of the attic, hovering in the dark, was the severed head of the same old man she'd seen at the bottom of her child's bed. Without warning, the disembodied phantom head flew across the the attic right at her. She was so scared that she flew backwards, falling off the washing machine. Jackie burst into tears and refused to ever go into the attic again. So who was this phantom? Why was he in the house? And how would she get rid of him? Jackie needed answers. And she knew

exactly how to get them. Enter author and paranormal investigator Dr. Barry Taff. Does this name sound familiar at all kit? Have you ever come across Dr. Barry Taff? Yeah, maybe. I'm not super familiar, but maybe we've talked about them. This guy is the real deal. He's the author of a number of books about the unexplained and paranormal. He's also the associate director of the parapsychology lab at UCLA. A lab I didn't know existed. No way that lab still exists. No way. Absolutely no way. The parapsychology lab at UCLA. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I think. think that got defunded a long time ago. I mean genuinely, I think, yeah, late 80s, 90s, sure.

Hey, I know a little about this kind of history, this kind of groundbreaking psychological study happening in California through the 60s, 70s, 80s, really electrifying stuff. And it probably would have lasted a longer time if people like Timothy, Leary, and Richard Alpert weren't ripping bongs and dropping acid on campus. That's how you open your mind, brother. The heads of the department were high and banging their students. They opened their mind into being bad people. Not really, but they went a little nuts. Listen, if you're attending a seminar that's all about exploring the possibilities of the human mind,

you want a, you want a suit telling you how to do that? You want a guy with his tie pulled up to 11? No, you want a dude in a wizard cloak who skateboards into the lecture. turns the chair backwards, and then he goes, here's today's lesson and holds his hands to his own head and closes his eyes, because he's beaming that lesson into you, whether you want it or not. You can't have a lecture in that department have never been barreled while surfing. Yeah. Like you can't, there's just levels to this shit. I think those departments were essentially School of Rock with Jack Black.

It was like, the lecture would come in and be like, all right, parapsychology 101. He puts on a vinyl. Do do do do do do do. All right, we've got to learn how to roll a J guys. Let's go. My name is Professor Schneebly. I'm going to be teaching paranormal psychosis 101. But for some reason, everyone in the class are still children.

He's like, I've been studying this for years and I'm about to beam these lessons to you. He just looks down at a 14-year-old boy and just sends him into a coma immediately. He's like, that was way too much. I should have slowed down. That was way too much information to send into a child's brain. Yeah, there's a joke in there somewhere, isn't there? About, like, yeah, this lecturer being sent into the wrong class and they accidentally let him loose on, like, the kids who were going to go on to cure cancer

and, like, evolve, like, nuclear technologies. It's like, man, they're all listening to ACDC. No, I don't know what to tell you. Ruin them. The UCLA hosted an active, albeit controversial, parapsychology. laboratory within its institute that a research phenomenon like telepathy and clairvoyance and attracted notable figures such as Yuri Geller. There you go.

I don't know when it was shut down, but I think it, it's safe to assume it flourished during the 1970s and did not flourish past that decade. I'm calling it. Someone let me know, 93. For the record, Kit and I, we did not go to UCLA. We went to the S-C-A-M that was Harvard Paranormal. Yeah. A very different school that turned out to be a pyramid scheme.

So... We still get to keep those letters, though. You know, it's like a... It's like, you know, Philip Shocklady, Ph.D. We are. Rory Parr's. S-C-A-M. S-C-A-M. A-R-T-I-S-D.

Anyway, back to Dr. Barry Taff, whose biggest claim to fame was being an investigator on the real-life paranormal case that inspired the 1982 horror film, The Entity. Mm-hmm. Which actually is a film I haven't seen before, so I'm not familiar with the case, but I do know it's a famous one. Right. Now, Taff took Jackie's claims very seriously.

So he arrived at the house with his full camera crew, hoping that they could capture some real paranormal evidence. On the night of August 8th, 1989, Barry Conrad, Jeff Weevcraft, Larry Brooks and myself went out to the San Pedro home with Jackie Hernandez for the first time. And we interviewed her a great length. The cameras were set up. We did some shooting, did a lot of walking around in the house to see whatever we could feel. The first thing that was apparent was there was a very peculiar odor to the house, a foul stench, reminiscent very similar to the entity case that occurred back in 1974.

I will say, him saying, damn bitch, you really live like this, saying the house stinks. It's not paranormal evidence so far. Yeah. But it's so sad if you call in a team like this to help with the paranormal problems that you're having. And immediately they walk in and they're like, oh, God. Yeah, I see what you mean. You were right about the f***ing smell. That is rank.

That's vile. Yeah. So where was the disembodied head stored? I can really smell the decomposing flesh. She's like, it was a ghost head, actually. There was no smell. I never mentioned this. This is just my house.

Oh, God. We just had fish tacos last week and I forgot to take out the bins. They're like, oh, I'm so sorry. I didn't mean any offense. Walk into the living room. Jesus Christ, he trashed the place. No, this is just how I live. Sorry, I didn't have time to tidy.

Oh, sorry. God. They walk up to Jackie, grab her face. Jesus Christ, they've aged 10 years. No, they haven't. This is just what I look like. Oh, my God. Did the ghost of your makeup this morning?

It looks awful. All right, that's enough. That's enough. It takes out his little audio recorder. Subject looks like she hasn't slept in a month. Stinks like shit. Fashion sense is absolutely whack. I don't know if the ghost has been advising her when she goes to the store.

At this point, you're just quoting our YouTube comments. That's literally what our community says every time we do an episode. Subject looks like shit is... Goes hard. It's great. Saying something that mean impersonal in what feels like should be such a formal way. Yeah. Our initial reports indicate that the subject looks like shit.

It's like you shouldn't... I shouldn't be the way you say that. Now Taff and his team immediately began filming around the house. And guess what kit? Two words. Orb City. No. In every room.

The cameras captured strange floating objects. This is your favorite thing. Orb city. Cool. Awesome. Orbs drifting around the house in every room. Should we get lunch, do you think? And like, I don't know. I feel like I'm rapidly losing the energy for this investigation, kind of with every word that passes.

You got to bear with me here, okay? Can we get a coffee in here or something? Of all the evidence that I have today, I'm not even going to show you the orbs. What? And for two reasons. One, because I'm 99% certain that it's dust. It's big of you to admit that. I am.

Two, it might not be dust. It might also be bugs. Jesus. Yeah. This is the weakest evidence in the case. How many bugs? But the point is, I'm so confident in the rest of today's case and the evidence that I can tell you,

I think the orbs are bullshit. I think they were reaching in this specific situation. Yeah. So don't worry, plenty more evidence to come. Things do get much more dramatic. Mm. Taff and his camera crew knew that the best odds of them capturing something really paranormal was to go to the heart of where that activity was taking place.

The attic. Fascinated by Jackie's account of the disembodied head, the group decided to inspect the house. Just above this laundry room is the entrance to the attic. Jeff Weedcraft decided to go up and shoot a couple of photos. I went up into the attic and checked it out. I started clicking off some photos. It was dark, totally dark. I fired first, I fired second, and just as I fired into the third frame, something pulled this camera from my hand. Wow. I love that they threw in the kind of legend of Zelda battle music there at the end.

It was like a goblin jumped out. Yeah. R. The camera was snatched by an unseen force, causing Jeff to panic and jump down from the attic as quickly as he could.

He was one of the first visitors to physically feel the poltergeist that was haunting the house. And unfortunately for him, it wouldn't be the last time either. Kit, what do you think about this first encounter we're having with a poltergeist? Look, really interesting that it jumps off the back of kind of what we've heard about objects moving in the house.

We've got another person coming in here, going to the hotspot, the epicenter of the activity within the house. Them experiencing something, we do just need one clarifying question to figure out whether or not this experience is real or not. Was the cameraman a scared cat? I think I would go even one step beyond that and say not only was he not a scaredy cat, but prior to, to this incident, he was a pretty hardcore skeptic in the world of the paranormal. I think that's one of the reasons he volunteered to go up into the attic,

was a lot of people may have been, even Dr. Taff, who's investigated paranormal cases. Maybe he was like, I ain't going up there. I'm gonna come down. I'll look at the ooze, sure. I'm gonna stay down here in Orb City. I'm not going up to where this was all happening because I believe that this shit is real.

Whereas someone like Jeff is like, dude, I'm a cameraman. I've been documenting stuff my whole life. I'll go up. Fine. Although in the recreation, he didn't actually climb into the attic. He kind of peaked his head up to take the photos.

So he looked like a little scary cat, really. I guess I asked because, you know, in these kind of situations, you know, you peek round, you flash in your little light round. You're like,

oh, I think it's okay. What's that on my shoulder? Oh shit, you jump, you know. Yeah. You grazed the wall

and you thought it was a tarantula on your shoulder, you jump, you throw the thing. Listen, I'm saying. Yeah, no, I absolutely know what you're saying because, you know, two years ago, you and I, we did an on-location investigation into the Edinburgh vaults, secret vaults built underneath the city of Edinburgh. And listen, I've been a paranormal investigator for a long time now, you know? I've looked into the most terrifying cases you could possibly imagine.

Yes. I thought I was someone that could handle being in compromising, scary. paranormal situations. And then two minutes into us exploring these underground tunnels, I walked into a spider web and squealed like a baby piglet and started running into the darkness full speed. Yeah. It was, I didn't handle that situation very well. Out of your control, I think. That's the takeaway here. Are you a scared cat? Sure. Are you bitch made? Debatable. Debatable for another day. But the point was you didn't consciously, you thought you were, you thought you were him walking in. You thought you were that guy and then you were disproven in the moment. We've all been

there. It's all happened to us. And I just wonder in this case, was this guy, was he just caught off guard? No, that's just me being a skeptic. But, but I'm not saying I don't believe it. Yeah, because even when I walked into the spider web, I didn't think the, I got forcefully attacked by an invisible hand. Yeah. I acknowledged it was a spider web. This guy. This guy, he really feels like something was ganked out of his hands. And we might have some more evidence to support that that is what happened. Because when Jeff finally calmed down, the team encouraged him to go back up into the attic to retrieve his camera.

But when he searched the dark attic with his flashlight, he noticed something strange. The camera's lens had been separated from the body, and each piece was in a completely different corner of the attic. I go back up there with lights this time with a flashlight. I don't see my camera in the position that I was. I look back in the corner. All of a sudden, I see just the lens sitting there.

In the corner, in the other corner of the attic, was the body of the camera. These old-timey cameras are like military rifles. You assemble them and lock them in place, adding all the accessories. Yeah, for one of them to drop, fall apart and then be separated by 20, 30 feet, I don't know. Seems a little suspicious to me. That's all I'm going to say. Let's go back to the orbs. I actually...

Maybe we skipped the good evidence, maybe. I don't know. This is good. This is interesting stuff. We're building a case. Yeah, if any point in this case, you want to go back to the orbs, I know that I'm not doing a good job. Unfortunately, from that point onward, things in the house only got worse. The documentary crew were capturing bizarre supernatural events daily and witnessing nonstop

paranormal activity that was impossible to explain, including heavy stomping coming from the attic when no one was up there. You know, I have documentary footage of them experiencing some of this insanity. And honestly, it feels like footage you would see in a horror movie. It's really scary stuff. Check this out. What happened? It's like, it's something grab that out of my hand. I'm not kidding. So we've grabbed the whole thing out of my hand.

Just now, just now. Just now. Just now. It grabbed the whole thing out of my hand. It's okay. Here it? Yeah. It's walking back and forth up there. It is walking down.

They're underneath the hole that leads to the attic. And they can hear someone stomping up there. There has been... Go ahead and talk. That's where the noises come from. Sometimes there's a noise like a deep hum, it's come from right here in the midair. It's come from right inside out.

So you've heard noises in this room? Oh yeah, deep humming it comes from right here, right in the same. center of the role and there's nothing here. Part of the trouble with like ghost cases, ghost activity, stuff that's even caught potentially on camera is often that with poltergeist and things, we are maybe capturing something which is with no context provided a mundane thing. The video, the thing that is happening in the video that we're watching is a mundane thing. These are sounds of footsteps.

And as an observer, we're trusting that what has happened. It's like watching a magic show or whatever, right? Except we go into a magic show knowing in theory that magic isn't real. And that's why it's entertaining, right? Whenever they, you know, cough up a card and it's the guy's card. And we go, wow, wasn't that fantastic? Because they subverted our expectations and made it seem for a moment as if magic is real. in this case, it's, we don't know if magic is real.

Let's see the footsteps. I'm like, okay, I've got to trust everyone involved here and Rory as well. I do love the idea of a bunch of people all going to go see like a magic show. And then in the drive home, everyone's like chatting being like, that was crazy. It was so fun. A great idea. It's like, oh, we should do this more often. And there's one guy in the back with his like head in his hands.

Yeah. Just like going home that night being like, supernatural abilities, is magic real? Hogwarts question. Typing Hogwarts onto Google Maps and searching for it, he's like, everything I knew was a f***ing lie. He just quit his job at Citibank. He's like, I'm not going to work in financial services anymore. Magic is real. So it's like, well, how do you expect me to pay my mortgage if I don't have a job? I just saw a guy pull a gold coin from behind his ear. Once I master that little one, I think I'll be all right forever. Yeah.

Yeah? Oh, what's for dinner tonight? Oh, let's see what's in my hat? Rabbit. I'm fine. Famously no nutrients in Rabbit as well. Didn't all those people die back in the day? Unlike the Galapagos Islands or some shit from eating rabbit. And oh, on the coin, chocolate, of course. Really? So it's not real? It's like, no, magic isn't real and now you don't have a job. God, I think I'm sorry, I think I'm tearing up a little bit.

he pulls a napkin forever from his sleeve. Just another second. Yeah, yeah. I'm just saying as an observer here, learning with this for the first time, along with the audience, it's like, it's trippy.

But if, but if, huge if true. Huge if true. I don't like that the rebuttal is, what if they're all liars? I think that's a really hard question for me to defend. Well,

what if anyone is all liars? Put yourself in my shoes. This is the question at the end of every podcast is like, cool, do you believe them? Yeah, this is... Because do you want me to see here and go, well, go surreal then? Yes, that's what I'm here to do today. If I wasn't here for that purpose. I just heard the footsteps.

If I wasn't here for that purpose, I wouldn't be doing this podcast. Okay, so we've been going for like 30 minutes and now. It's like, what do you want me to do? And now then. What do you want me to do? Believe in the paranormal? That is the point. Yeah, but you should have just led with this.

Just put that at the start of the thing. If this is definitive proof of footsteps in the attic, I was just to call it out of it. Well, I don't want to skip past Orb City, do I, brother? You did. I know how much you love Orbs. You skipped Orb City. You skipped the Orp City.

Okay, the only defense I have in this moment, there is more defense coming later, but the only good defense I have. It could be a raccoon, couldn't it? The only defense I have right now, shut your mouth, is the variety of the witnesses. We have Jackie. We have Jackie's neighbor.

Jackie's friends. Dr. Taff, Jeff. Everyone seems extremely connected at Jackie Oldison. Jeff, the cameraman. Yep. And the rest of the camera crew, which I think consists of two to three other individuals, all in this house witnessing these paranormal events. Well, no one's turned a light on in this attic yet.

Do we, are we certain nothing's up there? I don't think it happened. Because she poked her head up. The cameraman poked his head up. No one's had the gumption to just turn on a big light. They turn it on. There's a wolf. There's just a straight up wolf.

California and mountain lion. I don't think there is a light in the attic. I think that's one of the fundamental problems. Bring a light, bring a big light, pointed around the room. Because he really did just put his arm up and take a flash photo. I think he said one photo in a corner of the room,

another photo of the corner of the room, then the camera was snatched. Then his camera was slapped out of his hand. Kit, listen, look, I'm giving you a hard time, but you have every right to be skeptical so far. You know, that's what I want you to do is bring skepticism to this podcast. So that when we get that double yes at the end, I know it'll be all the sweeter.

If this evidence so far isn't enough to convince you, don't worry, this next one will. You'll remember earlier in this case when Jackie claimed that a strange dark liquid was dripping from the walls. That's obviously a pretty wild claim, especially if it wasn't captured on camera. As Kit said, we don't know at this point if Jackie is a reliable witness, so saying something as outlandish as that could be. be hard to believe. But on August 26th, around four in the morning, the camera crew spotted something dripping inside the house's cabinets. It is 3.16 a.m. No, 416 a.m. Everyone just left except us in the house. Things are starting to drip out of the cabinets. Nobody believe us,

but it's happening, right, Jeff? There it is. There it is. Right there. It's dripping. The first night we were at the Hernandez house, Jackie told us about some viscous liquid dripping and oozing from various parts of the house. But we took some of the, I guess, liquid ooze, for lack of a term, back to a lab to have it analyzed. Upon analysis, it was determined this was human blood plasma with a high copper and iodine content, and it was male blood. It's dripping. It's probably up over this. Right down here in a corner jet, Bob. They tried to figure out a logical solution for, you know, why it was happening or possibly coming from a pipe or what it could possibly be coming from other than just the walls.

But there was no logical explanation. Damn! Now I'm starting to understand why he said damn that time. Yeah. This is when I found out that they captured blood... Phil's just laughing, by the way, Phil's laugh. Blood dripping from the walls on camera. I knew that we had to cover this case.

Blood plasma. Blood plasma, yes, which is different. You know, we just saw videos of this liquid dripping. And yeah, it's not blood red. It is kind of like a little more watery and transparent. But still incredibly disturbing to see it kind of like seeping out from the wood in the cabinets and dripping into a pile on the floor. Because we've covered other cases where that's been a thing.

Allegedly is like blood coming from the walls. I believe there was a bleeding house located in Atlanta where they did a similar thing, tested it and found out it was like, you know, human DNA inside the liquid. So, but this is the first time I've ever seen it actually captured on camera, which is insane. Because also, I don't know, even the camera crew must have been relieved. Because if they'd heard that story from Jackie and they're like,

well, we're not sure about that. We think there's a lot stuff going on, but blood coming from the walls sounds like, Oh, crazy. And then they managed to capture blood coming from the walls. At 4 a.m. Super strange. Cool.

Makes sense to skip the orbs, I think. Yeah. And there's so much more. There's so much more to come. I like the idea of the camera crew and the investigators getting to the house. And they didn't even get inside the front door before. One of the guys is like, holy shit. Putting a camera over there.

Oh, my God. There's orbs everywhere. She's like, no, guys, come on inside. And I promise, no, no, no, no, we got to film this. This is incredibly. No, no, I promise you. I promise you, actually. It's like there's demons just fucking playing hacky sack inside. She's like, point the camera inside. Barry's like, does anyone smell that?

She's like, that's not a thing. The smell is so irrelevant. There is literally, I opened my kitchen door and it was like the elevators in the shining. A waterfall came out. No, hold on a second. Subject looks like shit. Let's look at, let's start there. Let's look into that.

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Many promotions are available both in-store and online, though some may vary. You're seeing a pattern here. Things at the house continued to get worse. Objects moving, strange lights appearing, and over the following days, Dr. Taff and the team began receiving more and more panicked phone calls from Jackie. Things were getting really bad. I heard it breathe last night. Awesome. You heard it breathe again, huh? When I heard that very, I said, I am not staying in this house and I'm not going to sleep in this house. I can tell you that because I wouldn't want to meet up with what made that noise. What's going to happen next?

What's it going to do to me? You know? It's just, it's getting very hard to even be here. I feel like just packing up the kids and going to Texas right now. I'm really scared. Being here, Barry, I'm out of here. I got to get out of here. I can't stay here. Oh, master.

Jackie? Yeah, there. Like they lost. Jackie, you cut the light. conversation was interrupted, the call was interrupted by, it was disconnected. Jackie? Jackie? What happened? Are you guys there? Are you guys there? Yeah, yeah. You know, she won't get any sleep, we better go down and get you. Jackie? What? We're going to come down and get you. Okay. Okay. All right. All right. We're coming right now. Okay, hurry, please. I don't know how long I can stay in here.

We're leaving right now. Okay. Bye-bye. Bye. Okay. Pretty harrowing stuff. The ghost pulled the phone cable out of the wall, like your mom and the 2000s when you're playing Roonscape too long. Get off the phone. Yeah. I mean, this is crazy to have this level of documentation for a case where we actually have the recordings of the phone calls that were made by the person being haunted, you know, during this process. I feel like so many times we hear about the haunting afterwards. but like you can hear from those calls

Jackie is not having a good time you know it feels like if this was a hoax then it's getting to a point where Jackie herself believes that this is happening even if it isn't happening she really it feels like she really

thinks something horrible is going on in this house you better not be about to pull the rug on us mother fuck all right don't even think about doing that shit where we present a case for the seemingly being genuine the whole time and then at the end you reveal it to be a hoax Is that the next page of this script? Genuinely, you were listening to the calls of a very distressed individual.

You think, or you know, I need you to upgrade to, I know, I know that these are the, okay. If I was spending every night in Orb City, I would feel the exact same way, you know? If I was in a situation where I'm trying to get, dude, being a single mother in a normal house must be unbelievably stressful and demanding. Sure. The last thing I need in between dinner and nap time is blood oozing from the walls. Disembodied heads in my attic stomping around. I cannot believe that Jackie even had the resilience to stay in this house for as long as she did. It's terrifying. And as you can tell from that conversation, Dr. Taff, Jeff and the rest of the team decided to head back out to Jackie's home after the phone calls in the middle of the night. Whatever this entity was, it had finally pushed Jackie to her breaking point. The team decided to gather what evidence they could and then get the hell out of that house once and for all.

But unfortunately, getting that evidence meant going up into the attic one last time. And that responsibility fell on two men, Gary and once again, Jeff. So they grabbed their gear and headed into the attic. As long as I'm going to go up and then Jeff's going to come up. We'll check out what's happening tonight. Do you feel okay? I'm fine. I feel a little queasy about going up there, but then going up.

I guess I'll go up. If I got a partner, why? I'm going to be so bad. I remember spending probably just maybe five or ten minutes up in the attic. All of a sudden, Barry Conrad looks up into the hole and he says, I think there might be something happening down here. We hear something. So Gary and Jeff grabbed their gear from the attic and approached the opening,

ready to jump down and help Barry with whatever was going on below. When all of a sudden, things took a dangerous turn. The two men didn't realize it, but in that moment, their lives were at risk. As Jeff took a step closer towards the attic's opening, he felt a tight wire wrap around his neck and pull him upwards towards the rafters, hanging him in the air. Whoa, holy moly. Hit Agent 47, Hitman came to get him.

Honestly, I know Kit, you're going to be relieved. When I tell you, he died. They caught it on camera. Oh, that too. What's wrong? Get down. No. No.

There was a momentary. in there where everything went black. Oh, I got a posit, I got a posit. I got a posit right. All right. Huge, huge pause required in today's recording. Because admittedly this is a big piece of evidence, but this is a maker break. This is, this could go either way.

This is... I just go on a little more one way than another one. I don't like that. Okay, never mind, let's move on. We don't have to watch you in on this. It took a lot of photos while he was up there, I will say, for a guy who's hanging to death, they had time to take a lot of flash photography. What we see in this video evidence is some screams happening as the camera's pointing up

towards the attic. But when Jeff was up there, the other guy that was up there with him, Gary, I think, managed to take a photograph at the moment that Jeff was hung from the rafters. It feels like there's, looks like there's something around his neck that's been wrapped around and is attached to one of the beams. Yes. But the photograph is, it's very strange to see. It's cool to have a photograph of this moment, but it's one of those things where it's like,

is that actually, is that actually not helping the case? I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. So I said earlier, I promised our promise to the listeners was that despite a lot of evidence being put into this case, we would make it make as much sense as possible to when I'm listening to it. I think you can hear what was happening there.

and you can hear my reaction to seeing it. And look, why I'm laughing at a man being hung is... Pretty dark yet. I guess there's an inherent absurdity with just capturing the moment of someone hanging of just like put down the camera for sure, help them. And I suppose they're just incredibly stationary images. There's nothing, there's no movement involved.

There's no, like we're, I mean, we're using flash photography here, but there's no, there's no blur to the image, no movement involved. And he's in such a Christ-like repose. I mean, he really is, like in the way that a crucifix would show Jesus on the cross, his eyes cast up to heaven, his head lilted to the side. It really is exactly like that. Because he's fighting for his life. I mean, yeah, I kind of. I will say if all we had was this photo and I told you the story and then showed you the photo, that's bad. That looks bad on me.

This photo does look like it could quite easily be staged. But luckily, that's not all we have because they were filming at the time that all of this took place. So if I continued the clip, I think we can kind of see that. Okay. Oh, oh, okay. Not necessarily him being hung, but, you know, the scene around it. Okay. Jeff Weecraft was physically attacked in this attic on September 4th, 1989, by an invisible force that actually pulled him up onto a nail protruding from a rafter beam and actually tried to strangle him to death. I don't remember being lifted up there, but I was actually hung. I was hung in an attic.

It was this clothesline cord the ghost used in its attempt to strangle Jeff Wheatcraft, and this is where the mystery deepens. Where did the court come from? It ended up over my head like this, and then it was twisted like this. I don't know how far to what degree, but I know it was twisted because it was tight around my neck. Jeff, please get out. I've got to get out of here.

It's definitely raising him. Jeff, please come here. Get this forward. Are you okay, buddy? Oh, my God. What's behind your neck? I don't know. What's on my neck?

Come on down. Look at his neck. Oh, my God. If I had not been there, he would have strangled, and he would have probably died there in that attic if I had not been here to get him down because he didn't know what was going on, and it was wrapped so tightly that, I mean,

I couldn't get him off of the nail. It was over a nail, and I found he had to actually bend the nail down straight to even get the rope off hood. Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh-huh. This is tough.

This is a wild story. This is a wild story. This is tough stuff. And there's, there are some parts. of it that I like, some parts I like a little bit less. Why is the way they talk so weird as well? It's like, Jeff, look at your neck. What's around it?

I don't know what's around my neck. Oh, oh, no, it's a noose. Oh, shit. I don't know, man. Yeah, like it's, yeah, if that's real and it's a crazy situation to be in, you know, yeah, it is shocking, it's weird, that you don't know how you're going to react to a situation. It feels like at least if this is a hoax, then the hoax is being played on some members of the crew.

Uh-huh. Because Jeff, Jeff doesn't know what thought. You think Ashton Couchers and the rafters? Like, I've got to kill this guy. Either Jeff was hung by a ghost in an attic

or Gary really doesn't like Jeff. Yeah, yeah. Because that's the only alternative that when Jeff was coming down, Gary put a noose around his neck and tried to hang him from a rafter. I just do think, like that's, I don't

I just don't think we've ever seen anything like this. No, that literally never. Where, you know, like, again, like I said earlier, huge if true. But the, you know, the logic we're being required to follow here is that Jeff didn't notice. It's not like, it's not a piano wire. No, no. It's a pretty substantial cord.

Yeah. Tied into a noose. Yeah. Into a knot, not quite a noose. It's, I should say that it's not a noose in the sense that a noose as pressures applied to it. naturally tightens. This is just a cord tied in a knot, as he says then, it was twisted to be tighter. Yeah. So we're supposed to understand that Jeff didn't notice this cord being placed over his head around his neck and then be lifted. And apparently there was nothing in the attic. Yeah.

They searched. There wasn't a cord up there to begin with. And he also says he doesn't remember it happening at all. Yeah, he says he just kind of like blacked out. And the next thing he knows he was hanging from the rafters. It's a lot of truth bombs to swallow. Yeah. A lot of truth pills. I think they themselves are like, we don't know what happened.

We don't know how this works. I blacked out. Convenient, isn't it? Apparently how ghost work is fundamentally different to what we thought too. They can just whip stuff out of their inventory. Take a rope out and hang a dude with it. I guess I'll say that, you know, like I'm following along

and this is increasingly crazy. It's just this is like the final boss for Occam's razor. of, you know, Occam's Razor, the philosophical concept of which, you know, if you're faced with the situation in which you don't know what happened, that you kind of philosophically, scientifically, empirically, just have to assume that it will always be the simpler, more obvious solution. You know, and in this case, is this a hoax or is our entire fundamental understanding of reality different and ghosts are real? Yeah, Jeff also said that Occam's razor was pushed against his neck. Up there in the attic. The ghost of Occam. That's the name of the demon.

Occam died in that attic. Look, whatever this entity was, it didn't just stop with the hanging. That night, the entire crew was attacked. That picture is so fucking, go on. Objects moved around the house. I can't show you this because we've already looked at too much video evidence. But there's one moment where one of the cameraman... You have to show me.

One of the cameraman passes out while filming. You have the clip. Show me. Show me. Go on. You know you have to. Because that's hilarious. Okay.

That is absolutely hilarious. It's... Are you fainted? He's like... The camera starts like seeping to one side. They're like, he's going to... There's a gas leak. It's not mold.

It's a gas leak. He's going to black out. All right, fine. I'll show you the footage. This happened to me in California. I told the story in the podcast. Over in America, they're using gas stoves. It's possible.

Yeah, you said your wife put a noose around your neck. When that was unrelated That was after an argument The hanging incident proved to be just one event of several that occurred that night Why she's gonna pass out? Sit the camera down sit down sit down Just the camera the shot seeping of that night never ended I remember right after Jeff had been hung in the attic

I'm standing here and I'm looking through the viewfinder of my camera trying to document all this and suddenly a ball of light appeared in the viewfinder, yet it wasn't in front of the camera lens. And at that point, a surge of electricity or energy or something went through my body. And at that point, I blacked out. That's so much crazy I'd expect. They have footage of the camera just slowly panning towards the ceiling. I was kind of hoping that he just would have fainted on account of the drama of the situation,

the draining circumstances they found themselves in. but no, a ghost Orb City came straight up to the camera and then caused an electrical surge that pulsed through his body causing him to faint to pass on it.

Simple as that. It's as easy as that, guys. I'm throwing a lot of paranormal experiences at you today. You're going to tell me this is a hoax at the end. You're going to tell me it's a hoax. And if you don't, you're lying.

If you don't, I guarantee there is there's going to be some, the Wikipedia article for this, is going to say at the end, it's like, well, there was a little bit of evidence to suggest they hoaxed it. As you can tell from this story so far, Jackie is someone who could put up with a lot, but there was one line she refused to let this entity cross, and that was messing with her children. For sure. Unfortunately, on that same night, that's exactly what this poltergeist did. While the crew were running around the house, hunting for paranormal evidence,

allegedly passing out and just fighting for their lives, they didn't realize that a strange mark had appeared on Jackie's baby. Right in the middle of the child's forehead was a red smudge of unknown liquid. This is one of the last pieces of evidence I'm going to play today on the podcast. One of the last.

I don't know, look at what's on the baby. Come on, you guys, let's go. Please, let's go. There's like a, kind of like a, Easter ashes cross smudge on the forehead. It came so close to my kids and it was almost

as if it was saying to me hey I can do what I want to. Don't tell me not to mess with your kids because if I want to I will. What is that? What the fuck is it doing to my kids now? Let's get these guys out of here, Barry. Okay, I actually said it was like

an Easter Ashes cross. It's actually more like Homeboy in Lion King kind of blessing Simba when he's born. Yeah. They straight up Lion King to this kid. Yeah. Baby comes out and the mother's like,

this is going to be a beautiful child. It's going to live a happy and healthy life. And the demon just snuck in and went, mine and marked it with a blood thumb. Yeah. Hopefully no one would notice. Which is maybe the scariest thing that possibly could happen because you don't know what the ramifications of the blood thumb are.

Yeah. You're kind of keeping an eye on that kid forever. Yeah, like that could be too late. You let your guard down once. It got blood thumbed. And now that child possesses the spirit of Occam. Yeah. Suddenly he's 12 years old. Someone kind of slide tackles him in a game of football a little too hard. Kid tries to guard the other kid's eyes on. Yeah. He starts levitating. All right. The other kid's head explodes. Yeah. The principal calls you. Is like, is there anything going on that would have explained this outburst by little Mikey? He's like, well, it's kind of hard to explain. But, But he was bloodthumbed as a baby. As a child. What? They're like, we're taking the child away from you. We don't know what that is.

We're taking it away. And the guy who tried to investigate this, her being led out of the school. The guy tried to investigate the blood tongue was hanged, actually, in the attic. Yeah, do you have any explanation for why he would have done this? 1989, Orb City. I'm minding my business. Population, moi.

There's also something great about seeing this, seeing the mark on the child and you're like, they're like, this is across the line. We need to stop the investigation. I'm booking a flight tomorrow to the Vatican to take this child to the Pope. It needs to be baptized tomorrow and we're going to find out.

And Barry's like, it's jam. It was jam from a sandwich. Yeah, we love the kid alone. He just a little smudge on his head. It's fine. Yeah. We think it's strawberry. Oh, okay.

It's a high risk. maneuver. You try and lick that substance to test? Don't lick that. No, no, for sure, don't lick it. Yeah, that's bad. You don't want to lick the blood dump. Uh, this was obviously the final straw. Jackie took her kids and fled. Not just home, but the city. She eventually moved into rural Kern County nearly 400 miles away in an attempt to leave behind the house in the entity that was tormenting her and her family. Unfortunately, her biggest fear came true. The entity followed her. And the paranormal activity continued.

In April 1990, Jackie heard the same scratching noises, this time in a shed outside of her home. This was followed by the appearance of the same strange orbs of light. It was as if everything was starting up all over again. Just this time, no attic. Jackie didn't know who to turn to except Barry Taft and the camera crew who had helped her in San Pedro. So she called them, and it wasn't long before the team arrived once again at her new home to begin the investigation once more. How are you getting Jeff to sign up for that one again? Huh? I got a different number in mine this time.

The number's a little different. He's wearing a neck brace. Yeah, it's like, there's no attic this time. It's fine. Poor Jeff is getting his shit rocked. They're like, they show up to the new home and she's like, yeah, so it's. It sounds like a bag full of monkeys are fighting each other in the other room. Interesting, interesting.

Jeff, do you want to go grab a picture? No! No, yeah, full body cast. He can barely walk. Absolutely not. The team decided that if they were ever going to get to the bottom of what was causing this poltergeist activity, they needed to discover more about the entity itself. So they decided on a risky move.

The team grabbed a Ouija board and prepared for a seance. It wasn't long into this seance that the entity made itself known. From moving the planchette around the board, the team were able to communicate allegedly with the spirit and discover more about his history. According to the team, the entity said that it was the spirit of a man murdered at the nearby docks whose killer never faced justice.

When asked how many spirits were present, it replied, Phantoms fill the skies around you. I don't know if you've ever used a Ouija board. You'd be sitting there a long time waiting on old Cape Planchette to roam around that board, man. It goes one letter at a time. And you said, I'm the ghost of a nearby dock worker who was murdered. And the murder was never solved.

Yeah. You're going to put the kettle on. You're putting the kettle on. Oh, yeah, just film it. We'll translate afterwards. It is a hard thing to ask a ghost something like that. Like, who are you, why are you killed? He's like, ah, all right.

Where do I start? 1769. They're like, you didn't just bring like a pen and paper? And you guys can leave the room and I'll do something. Or a radio. I can f*** with a radio. All we brought was the Ouija board. Oh, my God, okay.

Amateur hour. Jesus. You know, much energy it takes to move this little thing. It's like, I used it one letter. I was like, dude, serious, it's too much effort. Just we can pick things up tomorrow. No, no, you're here now.

So my name's Mike. So where's the M? Where's the M, M, M. Okay, here's the M. Where's the I? All the way over there. God. It's like moving a f*** wardrobe.

Like, it's like entity. It's like entity. A couple of us got bored and started playing Mario Kart. Can you repeat that last sentence? Oh, for the love of... Yeah! Also, it's great because they asked it who it was, where it came from, why it was so angry. And then immediately Jeff asked, why did you try and hang me in the attic? And the response from the entity was chilling.

You resemble my killer. Oh, yeah, not a good reason. butt, is it? No, no, no. Because Jeff's just a guy with a beard. It doesn't take much, apparently. Jeff's like, oh, that's cool. Was your killer also wearing all white Chuck Taylor converse?

No, didn't think so, because it was a couple hundred years ago. Oh, did he also have a Sony Walkman? Um, no. Guess what? You resemble every ghost ever now. Do you see me throwing Holy Water at you? No. To hold him Jeff back?

No, Jeff. I only think this is really interesting because the entity is saying that their killer never faced justice. What would old-timey justice be for a killer? Hanging. Hanging. This entity attempted to get Jeff to face justice and hang him in the attic. Yeah. Yeah.

I thought it was interesting. If this were a novel, it's a cool literary device, sure. Unfortunately for Jeff, this thing, whatever it was, wanted him dead. It felt like at this point, it cared more. about him than it did even about Jackie. Yeah. And whatever this thing was, it wasn't done trying to achieve that goal. Here is my final piece of evidence.

I ask it, why are you focusing your energy on me? Why me? And it's spelled out because you are the likeness of my killer. And then Barry asked it, is there anyone in this room that you have hate for? and it spelled out my name, J-E-F-F. And it was at that exact point, whatever it was, hit me directly and drove me against the wall of the trailer. Yo, they did a little recreation here for us.

Off the ground and slammed against the wall. The guy was lifted up on a wire, slammed against the wall. I just know that take hurt for the recreation. That looked like a hurt. I saw Jeff get thrown. I think all of us thought that we've seen a man get murdered by a ghost. And I took off running. He took off running.

Help the guy. Come on. That's got to, that might be my favorite quote that I've ever heard an episode of this podcast. We all thought we just saw a man get murdered by a ghost. And I took off running. It's hard to know just how dramatic that forceful push was, whether it kind of launched him off his chair.

But yes, the reenactment of this scene that they've they've done for this documentary. A stuntman is pulled on a rip court and he shoots backwards and is slammed against the wall. Like he was hit by a Jedi using the force. It's very, very dramatic. It's very filmic, the moment at which they're like, you know, who do you have it in for? Who do you hit? And then it's like, Jay? Yeah. E. They all know where it's going. It's like, no,

anyone else is it? It's like, you don't even need to finish it. Jeff's getting his coat. He's already like, getting his back. Yeah. He's like the last letter.

It's just wait. It's like, Jay, you stand a little to the right. Jeff, please. Ev. And yeah. Yeah.

Entities, it's like, who do you hate? Jay. So me, it's, I'm the only one here that begins with a J.

I guess Jackie. Yeah. Maybe he like, trick them out. Who here do you hate? J. And then we're like, that makes sense. The entity did follow her all the way to EFF.

Yeah. Shoots against the wall. EFF. It's Jeff. I hate Jeff. You killed me. I hate you. The goose grab Gary's holstered gun shoots Jeff in the head.

As far as I know, that is mostly the climax of her encounter with this entity. Jackie actually ended up moving again to try and get away from the entity. Each time she moved, the entity weakened until it eventually just stopped completely. Now obviously the events of this investigation really shook up the entire team, so much so that Barry Conrad actually went on to write an entire book about his experiences in the house. And a lot of the team, you know, have spent the rest of their lives talking to people about what they witnessed and what they experienced, trying to get the public to believe

that these things really did happen to them. Luckily, they, for once in a ghost case, for once in a paranormal case, they have a huge amount of video evidence and audio evidence to back up some of their claims, which is something that we don't have in many, many stories. Wish they'd set up the camera for that one, though. Throw an old Jeffie boy across the room.

Didn't decide to film that. That would have been good. I don't know why that they did so much. I guess maybe at this point, the documentary is done. You can't justify this. There's nothing you're going to say. This is going to justify it. Oh, this was just off the books.

This felt like a house call. Listen, hey, between you and me, who do you hate ghost? You know? Well, you know, the whole camera crew and everything was sent to the house to make the documentary. When Jackie moved away 400 miles and then they came back to kind of help her, it felt like this was a paranormal thing they were doing rather than thinking this was going to be part of the documentary.

Yeah. So I don't know. That's my only explanation for it. This is insane. This story is bonkers. It's insane. It's pretty wild. It's pretty crazy. In a good way, though. Go on. Tell me. Tell me. How'd they do it? How'd they do it? Huh? How'd they hoax it? Go on. We'd all love to know.

Come on. Go on, give it to me. We're waiting. As of this... Come on. As of today, as of this year, this moment, there is no logical explanation for the events that we witnessed in the house. There was no explanation from the noises in the attic. I can think of one. The blood plasma, they have no idea where it came from, where it was coming from, why it was oozing.

The hanging, the camera members passing out, all of these things. There is no explanation for. And this case is widely regarded in the paranormal world as one of the best and most convincing cases where poltergeist activity has managed to be captured on film. Who wrote that, Jeff? No, if you Google it, I think this and possibly even the entity case,

which was the other one that the team were involved in, are fair play to these guys. They should be doing every paranormal case. They're the ones that are actually filming stuff, doing a good job. Right. We should get them on more stuff. Granted, I don't think a single one of them wants to do it anymore. Which, again, is maybe a good sign that this is a believable story.

Yeah, I mean, the people involved are, they're getting on a bit now, but they're not, it wouldn't be that old in the scheme of things. I think Jackie is still alive. She lives in Los Angeles now. I believe after all of these events, she did some like, you know, talk show stuff. Because obviously when the documentary came out, there was like, this is a big thing. People wanted to interview the people that witnessed it. Oh, you're saying, that's interesting. Documentary came out, moved down to L.A.

Moved to Beverly Hills, you say. Moved into a mansion in the hills. Jeff as well, the guy who really got rocked by a lot of this, I think that really changed his life too. And he spent a lot of time talking about his experiences afterwards as well. But, you know, the one good thing that we do have about this case is that there are so many witnesses. many different individuals with different agendas, not just Jackie, but the neighbors, the camera

crew, friends and family, both in San Pedro and new friends and family in Kern County when she moved the second time for the seance. There are a lot of people that allegedly witnessed all of this activity in different forms. And as we know, a lot of it was captured on camera. And with that, we have reached our conclusions. Do you want to take the lead on this one? But your money where your mouth is, champ. This is one of the best and most convincing poltergeist cases

I've ever investigated for this podcast before. Anytime I find a ghost case hard to believe, it is because we are missing evidence and testimonies like we have seen in today's episode. It is of course a yes for me this week. Of course it is. Wow. There you go.

Listen to me. Come on. I'm watching you. Okay? Come on. And this is on you. So if I find out that you've omitted some information, that you've skipped over a little bit of the story. It didn't really fit your little narrative.

I'm coming for you. Okay. I'm coming for your ass. You know, I'm going to be a good guy right now. I'm just taking off base value. Well, everything you've said today. You know, we go back a long time, obviously. Yeah.

So, you know, there's a degree of trust involved there. Of course. But the community will be watching. The community will be researching this and they will be. You should. Watch the documentary. They'll be looking into it. And if I find out this was a f*** hoax, I'm going to kill you. But.

Maybe a little dramatic. But on the basis that we are taking today's evidence at face value, I would have to give it a yes. There we go, folks. We got a double yes. I think Kit just said he might kill me, and we did get that on audio recording. Just that I'm watching you. So I just said...

If Kit ever invites me to go up to an attic with him at any point, carrying a cable, I just think maybe I'll send Phil up with him instead. But there you go, guys. We got a double yes at the end of the episode. Let's go. Well done. Wow.

Good stuff. I liked your little Trump speech at the end there. This is one of the best. One of the best paranormal cases. Thank you to Cariel Holmer for emailing us that in 2017. There's a few other people. Lieutenant Dan's Legs also, I think posted it on Patreon. I'm sure a few of you did as well.

But there you go, guys. It just goes to show that there are so many other stories out there that we just haven't covered. And it's because we've missed them. So if you think that there's more stories like this that are great paranormal stories. that are worth us covering, it's not too late to email them to us at this paranormal life podcast at gmail.com and see if we can keep a streak going and get some more double yeses. Honestly, kids right. This is a crazy story and if any of this is exciting to you, you should look into it yourself. There's so many photos and videos and news articles and things about this case.

It's endless and it's really cool, especially for someone like myself who admittedly can be a little bit skeptical when it comes to ghost stories and poltergeist stories. I want people to remember this moment when the boys said yes to the ghosts. You know? Yeah. Yeah, I think Roy's only said yes to the ghost stories that he brings the table, but, you know, sure, it does happen sometimes. I think when you bring a ghost case that has 11 pieces of video evidence, that's pretty good. That's a pretty good. I don't want to say that's the bar because we will never reach that bar again. This was just an incredibly lucky case. But yeah, what a blessing to come across such a well-documented case.

I had a joy. Hopefully you guys enjoyed this one. Don't worry, we're back on aliens next week and we'll be probably for two months. And then we'll do another ghost case. Thank God. Thank God. But thank you so much for listening. So glad we got another WS, especially this early into the year.

You know, I like to start the year with some yes. with some paranormal certainty before things inevitably start to fall apart in the summer. Sure. Yeah. Well, you know, summer, it's not a very paranormal time, is it? You know? So, you know, that's when we can cover some fun stuff where people aren't getting hanged in an attic somewhere. That's real February shit, if you think about it. It really is. Yeah. Gloomy February. We hope you enjoyed this episode of the podcast, whether you are listening to it, whether you're listening to it, whether you watching it on Spotify or YouTube, whether you're just checking out our clips on socials, of course, there is one place more than any other that is the best place to engage with

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should just call you Doug, because we got your cash. That's right, Doug. You actually signed up. And of course, when you sign up, you give us all your bank details, you give us your home address. And we just said, yeah, let's just see those bank details. Boop. Mine now. Buy money now. Is that possible? Really? By Doug Cash. I'm now Rory Cash Powers.

That's my middle name. Wow. Yeah. Cash Powers. You should start like a crypto scam or something, I think, with that name. Doug Cash, I thought you were going to say like, oh, he's not called Cash anymore because his cash is gone. I was going to be like, yeah, Lord grant me the confidence of a guy who has five bucks to his name

and calls himself Cash. Yeah. Pretty cool. Things are looking pretty good for me lately. Yeah, thank you so much for supporting the show, Doug. Thank you. Thank you also to Kai. Name like Kai just can't be an uncool guy, can you?

I don't think so. Kai knows karate, at least. Yeah. What's up? My name's Kai. I've just been about three months paddleboarding across Indonesia. Yeah, just got back. Yeah, pretty insanely tanned right now.

Yeah, you're going to be pretty cool. Yeah. Sounds like you're also going to say, Oh, Kai. Okay. A lot. That too. Yeah.

That too. Like you're fine with every situation. People are like, yeah, by the way, the bank called and they've actually taken the house. Okay. That's the one you related to, yeah. Oh, okay. You find yourself saying that day today. Yeah, I say that a lot.

Yeah. There's something that's personally, I just start laughing when horrible shit happens to me now. Right. Like the Joker. Like the Joker. good, right? Yeah. A couple hit movies to his name.

Thank you also too, Tyler Martin. I want to apologize to Tyler because when they first arrived at the commune, I read their name as Tyler Martian and immediately shot them with a net gun. That's one of those electrified ones as well, isn't it? It's kind of like... Yeah, it's for like neutralizing dinosaurs. So... What?

Yeah, yeah. A dinosaur is real? In the commune, yeah. commune, yeah. We brought them back. Shit. It's gone so badly. I went, I went on holiday for like three days and I brought back dinosaurs, yeah. As soon as you left, I was like, guys, it's time. Initiate. We have 72 hours. Let's go.

So we brought him back. Dinosaurs are kind of roaming the streets now. Tyler, I think Tyler was the guy that we actually called to help us with the problem. He was like a scientist that could reverse some of the aggressive DNA splicing that we'd done. And I netted him immediately. So sorry, Tyler. Sorry about that. Apologies.

What you say your name was Mr. Martin? Mr. Martian. Thank you also to April Cockwell. Also could be April Co-well. Because I learned the hard way when I moved to England years ago by being like, What's up, Mr. Cockburn? And they'd be like, sorry, it's Coburn. I was like, oh, sorry.

Learned my lesson there. But April, thank you for supporting us on Patreon. Must be a special time of year when it rocks around to April. It's kind of like your fucking month. Yeah, right? It's like you have a birthday that lasts the entire month. Yeah. I kind of dig it.

Is there any, what would be the coolest month to be named after? October? Because people could call you like, Doc Ock. Yeah, the October Octavius. Yeah. Something cool like that. Mm-hmm.

I like it. April's not a bad one, though. Because I feel like you could just, you have an excuse to just fool people the entire year. Mm-hmm. Because, hey, my name is April. I can do as many fools as I want. You know, just make sure that the fools are like fun little things. Not like faking your own death every year or something.

No, no. I don't think so. Although April, once again, we do recommend for people joining the commune to fake their own deaths before they do it. Just so that your loved ones don't try and track you down, ask any questions, anything like that. Yeah. Pick us as your next of kin, leave everything to us and the will. It's just easier that way and then fake your own death. So I hope you've done that, April.

Welcome to the commune. And thank you finally this week to Frank Sommer. It's not exactly the same, but, you know, Somer. It's your time, Frank. Goodbye, April. Hello, Sommer. I will say Frank isn't giving like brat somer. You know, it's kind of like, this is Frank's time.

Yeah. It's like Frank mostly enjoys kind of painting Warhammer and skilletrics and things like that. If my name, if this was my name, I would find it so hard to not say every day, let me be Frank. Yeah. I would have to say that all the time. And that would never get old. Let me be frank. Let me be frank with you.

It's like, I think, I think that was the pun in our musical. It's all about the Benjamin's. Yeah, let me be frank. My name's Benjamin. Yeah.

So I think it's a great name. Frank, Sommar. I hope you've enjoyed many long Sommer vacations. Because the commune is kind of like a 24-7 operation. Yeah. 24-7. Yeah. We do have holiday.

and time off. Yeah. It's kind of... Four districts. It's won it up. Well, yeah, obviously. But it's kind of like your holiday is from like 8 p.m. at the end of the workday, yeah.

Round to 4 a.m., which is started the next workday. That's your... And that builds up over time and that's kind of your annual leave. And you can do whatever you want during that time. Yeah. We don't care. As long as you stay in the compound in here. Yeah.

Most people choose to sleep, but you can do whatever you want. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. The one doctor in the commune does recommend that you sleep all of that because the days are so grueling. You need to sleep. Yeah, so you could do whatever you want. You could go on holiday if you could get there and back in that time. Yeah, bring those war bombers with you, Frank. You know, you're going to have a great time. Thank you, Frank. Thank you everyone who supports us on Patreon. Plenty more shoutouts coming. Don't worry in the following weeks. Hope you enjoyed this week's episode of the podcast. A double yes. You love to see it. And we'll be back. next week with another paranormal tale and hopefully another WS. See you then.