This Paranormal Life - Are Aliens Walking Among Us? The Strange Visitors From ‘Itibi Ra II’

Episode Date: July 28, 2026

In the world of UFO and alien research we spend all our time arguing about whether aliens are in our skies, but what if they’re already here? And are walking among us… One man in 1964 found out first-hand that this rabbit hole goes much deeper than anyone knew, when he met a being calling himself Satu Ra. What started as a chance meeting on a train ended up aboard a starship and learning about alien visitation to Earth stretching back hundreds of years! On this episode Kit Grier Mulvenna and Rory Powers explore the lore of one the craziest alien visitation testimonies of all time and try to parse paranormal fiction from paranormal fact! LONDON LIVE SHOW⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠https://www.tickettailor.com/events/cheerfulearful/2084541 Become a commune member to get access to bonus episodes: ⁠https://thisparanormallife.com⁠ Follow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Join our Secret Society Facebook Community⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Buy Official TPL Merch!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Edited by Philip Shacklady Researched by ⁠Ewen Friers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In the 1960s, a German machinery salesman had the most extensive interactions with an alien species that we've probably ever covered here on this paranormal life, and yet, his account has been all but lost from history. Ludwig Paulman's story is the most dramatic contact he case you've never heard of. From India to Peru, from alien agriculture to intergalactic jewelry this case has it all. But who was Paulman. What did he experience all those years ago? And what would happen if you showed a medieval peasant, GTA6? Answers to these questions and more on this episode of This Paranormal Life! Hello! Hey! And welcome back to This Paranormal Life, where every Tuesday, me, Kit, this guy, Rory, investigated a different paranormal tale deciding whether we think

it is true or not, and hopefully funny. Rory, how are you doing today? I'm doing great. You had me at intergalactic jewelry. I'm interested. You're clearly, judging by your look for today, you're clearly a guy's very interested and kind of looking good and feeling good. Yeah. So you're thinking maybe some jewelry would push you over the edge into looking awesome. Well, I have some sunglasses on, sure, but that's because I was up all night crying.

So I'm just like, yeah, you know, I do that like, you know, guys out there listening to podcasts will know that I'm doing that thing where you don't cry for three years and then you just pick one night to just explode like a volcano. So, so actually the intergalactic jewelry might cheer me up a little bit. Right. That actually could. Anything. Because, you know, over here at this paranormal life, you know, we're, we're a small business.

We've got a team. You know, we care about mental health. Oh, yeah. So, you know, I guess even whether I care and all, I feel like I have to ask. So was ever, you know, what kind of stuff were you thinking about? Have you ever heard of death by a thousand cuts? Yeah. Sort of that type of situation where it's just like.

Life is generally a thousand little sad things. And then it'll be the tiniest little thing. Okay. Your uncle dies. And all of a sudden, a relatively big thing actually. All of a sudden you're tipped over the edge. Depends like close you were to your uncle.

So you're saying, yeah, okay, Uncle dying, that's a big one. Yikes. You're saying last night you may be, Ruh-Roh, you may be, last night you cried about like the opening 10 minutes to up. Yeah, you'd been storing that. Yes. You saw Disney Pixar's up and you were like, store that one for 2026. Yeah.

Oh, it's not my cry day yet. So I'm going to have to wait. I'm going to boil that one up. So then you just, when it comes time for cry day, you just let it all out. And how do you keep it in? I'm imagining kind of clenched butt cheeks, clench fist. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Just always on edge constantly and occasionally you explode in the face of someone that doesn't deserve it. Phil. Oh. You got to find a way to manage, guys. And that's why this episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Isn't it? I don't think they would prove this message. When's your cry day?

No, no, no, no. Let it out whenever you feel like, guys. Of course. Crying is healthy. It's great. We're going to get it. Back on track, stop talking about our cry days. Because we do need to, because this episode is a rip-roaring ride.

I know I sometimes throw that phrase around a lot. Today, it is absolutely true. This is an insane one. Strap in, basically. We're going to get right into it. Quick reminder that head over to this paranormal life.com. If you want to get extra bonus episodes of this paranormal life, we've been putting up monthly bonus episodes for over nine years.

Wrapped your head around that. Damn. Weekly after party episodes also coming out every Friday, where me and Roryko behind the scenes of this paranormal life, talk about whatever's going on with us, what movies made us cry recently. Ooh, I wish my uncle had nine more years. Am I right?

Steven Spielberg's just... today. Sorry, I have to do accents because it's hard for me to be actually emotionally open. So sometimes I do funny voices. And were you close to him? Not the... Very close. He was like a father to me. I do declare I'm heartbroken. Brewery reverts to factory settings because he's from Georgia. So he was just, it's like someone pressed a little micro button in his back. Like he's a f*** candle. No, I'm excited. Oh, someone would pour me a peach tea.

I need to replenish the last liquid from these teals. I'm excited for today's case. I can't wait. As I said, it sounds like we're going on a bit of an intergalactic adventure today. I wasn't quite done. This Paranormal Life.com links in the description. Get all that stuff. Become a member today.

Also, remember, live show Sunday, October 11th. Huge, this paranormal life live show in London. Be there or be squared or cubed. Yes, ready to do it. Let's do it. In October, 1964, 36-year-old mill machinery engineer Ludwig Paulman was in Bombay, now Mumbai, in India.

He had traveled to India on a speculative business trip, trying to set up operations and make connections outside of Germany. But so far, this had been a failure. Little did he know he was about to make a connection of a much more historic kind. Now, deciding to use his time in India, India to travel, given that he now has no pissing work whatsoever. Pullman was on an overnight train to Madras when he spotted a stranger in his compartment. The man was striking, and the author Tom Good wrote, based on Paulman's testimony, that, quote,

He was very well dressed and had the unmistakable stamp of authority in his bearing, about five feet, ten inches or so in height. The stranger had a slim build and very long legs. some features were very unusual, not least his eyes, which were exceptionally expressive. In addition, the man had unusually long, slender fingers. The fingertips covered by some kind of protection, the likes of which I had never seen before. So Paulman engaged the stranger and they got into friendly conversation. The man spoke a kind of hesitant English, and his voice came from not his mouth, but from a strange electronic device on his chest.

he introduced himself as Satu Ra. And when Paulman asked where he came from, he simply pointed to the sky. All right. And said, I said, iti be Ra too. I was willing to look past the voice box on the chest, because that's a thing. I actually knew a man who had one of those after some kind of operation. Or was it held to his neck? Because I was thinking about this.

Yeah, it was held to the neck. throat cancer, they hold a thing to their neck. They hold the thing to the neck. It creates kind of like a buzzing noise. And essentially, through the consistent buzz, you can still shape. Yeah, you can shape your throat to produce words and sounds. Oh, I didn't know that's how it works. Yeah.

In the same way, like, I think if you're like humming or whatever, you can kind of, I'm pronouncing words. Oh, that's quite good. You know, you can kind of, I think that's how it works. Interesting. Oh, because that's how it's all coming together now, because that's how your vocal cords work. they vibrate and then you're, I'm going to start saying words,

larynx or something in there and changes shape. Yeah. Is that the planet he came from? The larynx system. Larynx 5. Why is a creature like this on a train? Well, maybe his craft broke down. He had to get around.

I don't know yet. Or maybe he saw Ludwig board the train and he wants to talk to him. I don't know. Oh, okay. I don't know yet. Because right now this feels like sharing an Uber pool and you hop in an ETs in the backseat. And you're like, oh God, I should have really hit no conversation before I got into this thing on the app. Hey, bro.

Hit except on split fare. Waymo too expensive. Surge charging is bullshit. E.T. Get ox. No, you're only picking weird songs. E.T. Play national anthem. No, it's really weird.

He's completely trolling. It's just some bullshit cooked up on garbage. This is hyperpop. This is Charlie XX. E.T. Play national. He's like, no, I don't want to listen to it. Oh, you racist? No, your anthem is weird.

Wow. Wow. Okay. Can't believe you said that. Yes. Look, we'll not get hung up on the electronic device. This does sound a bit like he has an all spark in his chest, like Optimus Prime. Okay, so just to recap, this person's name is Satura from Itibiratu. So this guy apparently isn't hiding anything. I feel like you can just ask him whatever you want. And before we get further into it, I will say you can kind of sense this story is absolutely

mental. I should say the events that happened to Ludwig were documented by him in a book he wrote called UFO contact from Itibirat. And this story and the book cause other people to write about it too, like the guy I just mentioned Tom Good. So that's the primary source and all this, is Ludwig's actual writings himself. Damn. This is similar to how Whitley Strieber wrote Communion at a similar time period about his out of this world experience. Now, when the train stopped briefly, Satura climbed off onto the platform and began distributing tablets to various hungry and malnourished homeless people who were dotted around. Once moving again, he did the same thing in the third-class carriage, distributing the pills to young and old. I got worried when he started to get him to doing pills.

Yeah. But... Ludwig later recounted, Whatever the ingredients in the tablets, they seem to have a miraculously beneficial effect. on the recipients. Testosterone. He's giving them out to all the baldies on the train. He kept banging on about low-team males

and how he was frame-mogging all of them. Now, arriving in Madras, they went their separate ways. Ludwig, presumably walking away, saying to himself, that was mad, India is mad. But when Paulman awoke the next morning, he went downstairs and the hotel receptionist stopped him. Mr. Paulman, Mr. Pullman, a message has been left for you by a, ah, let me see here. A Ra, Satu Ra, yes, Mr. Ra has organized a taxi to take you to an art gallery this evening.

Praise Ra, he's coming back. So Ludwig went to the art gallery where Satu Ra guided him around, and then later showed him around his huge palatial home. Ra showed him a series of old Indian and South American works of art. except Paulman noticed something about the paintings in Raz's collection. It was like they all had something in common. They all depicted spacecrafts or some kind of aerial object in the background. Sustle foreshadowing. Yeah.

What could it mean? Rory, if you, but hey, if you remember Rory, we actually talked a lot about this, this phenomenon. On episode 353, not that long ago really, ancient UFOs hidden in famous paintings. We did, yeah. Went back through the history of art and carefully picked out

some historical paintings that, safe to say, are depicting what could be interpreted as otherworldly paranormal events. Rory didn't really believe in the whole premise. I'm going to say, we picked the paintings that show aliens.

Or UFOs. Or at least UFOs. Yeah. I'm sure some of them were more, Yeah, some of them were like very much like what is that if not a UFO flying saucer. Some of them were more like, okay, here's like a medieval depiction of one of the stations of the cross, Jesus being crucified. And then there's like a beam of light and it does look weirdly like a tractor beam. But was that an angel or something?

Or a sunbeam, yeah, yeah. A little bit of that. I will say getting invited to the house and getting invited to the art gallery and everything. Razz telling him whatever he wants to know, he's taking a real shine to him by all accounts. Yeah. He's whining and dying in him, basically. I'd be starting to worry they have a real plan for me. I don't know if it's butt stuff like probing. I don't know if they're going to sacrifice me, but bro is coming on a little strong. I think whether it's an alien or not, there's butt stuff on the horizon. Yeah. I think it doesn't matter whether it's paranormal or not.

When was this though? It could be different time. This could have been the age of hitchhiking. and we're all friends around the world and free love and hippie, hippie times. It was the 60s, yeah. There you go. So, like, literally, India down the road, I feel like the Beatles were just taking LSD around the corner in India, you know?

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Did your parents ever do kind of, like, questionable 60s and 70s stuff? Oh, for sure, yeah. I'm pretty, yeah, I can't even get into details, but. Because my, I want to say my mom and her sisters when they were like 18, like hitchhiked across most of Europe. Yeah, yeah, just insane.

And you know what parents are like, they'll just, you know, you'll live with them, be around them for 30 years, and then they'll just out of nowhere be like, oh, this reminds me of the time I, and then just say the wildest thing you've ever heard. They'll do a lower reveal, like they're a Fri-NPC in Skyrim. Yeah, you're like, what are you talking about? They'll be like, oh, this is like the time I was almost recruited into Mossad.

You're like, all right, well, clear the after. afternoon, I guess, to talk about this. Yeah, it's absolutely insane. I remember one time I was listening to a great song by Glenn Campbell, I believe, called the Wichitaul lineman. And I was with my dad, and he was like, oh, yeah, I was a lineman for the county. And I was like, you're the man from the song? And he was like, yeah, I just worked for like a whole summer in the desert setting up electrical wires across America. And then I was like, and then I would just ride my.

motorbike on my weeks are. I was like, well, what, are you a real person? It's crazy. And then I feel like sometimes, especially men of a certain era, I don't know if my dad is just like aura farming or not, but I feel like he'll sometimes just like, because I'm a yapper. That's why I have a podcast. He's of the generation where he'll just like end the story at a time he knows is probably dope to end the story. Right. Where he'll just be like, the less said about that bit, the better. and then he'll walk off or some shit. Stand and look out the window.

Yeah. We can't end there. Crazy. You know? Yeah, yeah. No, I don't think any millennial or Gen Z is capable of that. No, we want to keep going. Yeah, we're yappers.

They were just doers. Yeah, I did read a thing the other day about how parents need to be like more chill about letting their kids play outside. And I was like reflecting on this, I guess, about like being a dad and like, you don't want to be a helicopter parent, but you also want to balance. that with like letting your kids live life, explore, make mistakes. Yeah. Helicopter parent is another cryptid as well that we're going to be investigating next week.

And so I was reflecting on. I was like, you're right. I need to send my child into the jungle for seven days. And if they don't come back, they're weak. It wasn't meant to be. Have another one. But it did, it did come up with a, the article was talking about how, like, parents, like how parents are usually kind of hypocrites because like our parents generation,

about and found out and did whatever they wanted. Yeah. But then when they raised us, they were still pretty loosey-goosey, but it was a lot more like, hey, you know, you can't go out at night. You can't, you can't do this, you can't do that. And then our generation are kind of doing the same thing that we're, it was like, oh, like statistically most parents won't even let their children walk down like a grocery aisle by themselves, let alone, you know, let alone go play and like down

the street or whatever. Yeah. There's lots of things like that. But it had an awesome statistic where it was like parents frequently cite child abduction as being one of the big things they're worried about, about letting their kids play outside unattended. And it was like, on average in America, you would have to leave your child outside for 750,000 years for them to be abducted. Which is pretty awesome. That's wild. Damn, you all got some ugly children.

Not mine, don't. Taking that long? I have to pay someone to take that one. Jesus. Get him! Got him! Mine would be gone five minutes.

Mine is like leaving an expensive bicycle outside in London. It just boom. You blink. That kid's gone. It's like leaving your Mewtu in a field. Well, someone's catching that Pokemon. So look, Ludwig is having the night of his life

getting shown around the art gallery. The evening went on and he was getting tired. But before he could return, turned to his hotel, Satu Ra gifted him a beautiful gold ring. Quote, in the middle of it, was what appeared to be a small piece of metal sparkling like a diamond. Whoa, Satu said the ring was over 10,000 years old. Rory, amazingly, we have an image of that ring. Phil, can you please pull it up for me? Let's go. Show me the ring.

Oh shit, this is a Super Bowl ring. It's a Super Bowl ring. I thought it was going to be like a thin, finally crafted piece of jewelry. This is a sports ring. Yeah, whatever species these aliens are and from whatever planet they are from, I think they beat the Raiders in the last playoffs. Yeah. Okay. God damn. I think they're from the planet Hoth because these guys are iced out. Right. That is, I mean, that's amazing. Again, incredibly suspicious. I would not take the ring. It's very cool to have an image of it. I believe this image is scanned from the print copy of the

book. So it's grainy. It's old. It's an image from the 60s or 70s and it's scanned in. So it's, you know, we can see a lot from it. It seems to be highly polished, certainly looks gold. And then on one side, there's kind of almost hieroglyphic level carvings. Yeah. I mean, very cool. Very cool piece of jewelry. Again, I'd be slightly suspicious as to what this means. I'm a skeptical enough person that if someone, if someone gives me anything, I'm at least emotionally in debt to them. I find it very hard to receive a gift with with no return, you know? Yeah, you're like the, you know, like that famous Kanye West tweet where he's like, I hate waking up on a flight and they've placed a water bottle next to me and I'm like, oh great, now I've got to think about this water bottle.

Yeah. I've had it times before where I'm like at work and a friend will be like, I get in and they're like, oh, I am, I was getting a coffee today, so I picked up an extra one for you. It's on the desk. And I'm like, cool. I didn't know we were doing that now. And now I'm going to ask if you would like a coffee every morning. That's, that's now ingrained in my head. Yeah. I know it feels like there's two types of people in the world. People who like, just go with the flow and don't think about that kind of thing. And people who are just like, cool. Well, let me open the f***n PDF in my brain and update the tally system. Yeah. I'm going to have to worry about this. Weird timing, though, because I gave.

you some souvenirs yesterday from holiday? You did, yeah. And I recently got back from holiday with zero gifts for anyone. Is that true? Yeah, I didn't buy anything. But I only started getting souvenirs because you guys get souvenirs.

Yeah. That's not something I normally do. It's a fun thing to do. So why didn't you do it? I didn't even notice, but now that you mention it. I actually did get some really cool stuff from my holiday.

And if you want a chance to win it, it is this month's Patreon exclusive Raffle prize. Well, I'm going to be entering that then because I need a souvenir. You need a souvenir. It's some really cool stuff. Good luck, everyone.

Because I was on the California coast near like Big Sur and that like corner of the world. And I found like an authentic voodoo doll being sold in a store. I don't want it anymore. And some cleansing sage. I found a lot of cool stuff on my holiday. So, hey, you could win the souvenir from Rory's holiday. If you had on over patreon.com.

Links in the description. Add on over. Yeah, my next question in the script was, brother, are you taking the ring? No, I'm going to politely decline the ring. Do you think? I think so, yeah. Yeah.

Are you taking it? Because it's, I'm, I feel like I'm taking it out of embarrassment and then worrying a lot about what to do about it afterwards. Yeah. Because it's also, you know what I don't want wearing the ring? Explaining the whole story. Imagine you go back home and everyone's like, where'd you get that? Oh, all right.

So, have you ever heard of a planning? called Itibirah to, probably not, right? Well, I met a guy from there. But look, I know that it's so easy to sit here and say, don't talk to the weird guy. Don't go to the weird guy's mansion with his alien paintings. Don't take the alien ring. But guys, there's a male loneliness epidemic.

Yeah. Sometimes this is just how men communicate. If Kit didn't talk to the weird guy, we wouldn't have a podcast. All right? So sometimes it's a good thing. Well, on the evening of the following day, Pullman was sitting in the garden of his hotel, reflecting on his time with Satura,

when the gold ring suddenly started to glow. Take it off, take it off quick. Quote, convinced it was a trick of the light, he tried moving it this way and that, but to no avail, if anything, the glow intensified. Suddenly out of the blue, Satura appeared in the garden. Alright. Before you ask questions, I don't know. Did he teleport? Maybe. Is it a two-pack R2D2 style hologram? Very possibly, I don't.

We spent way too long talking about the ring. I'm starting to understand that there's so much more that's going to happen in this story. What I do know is the two were quickly, apparently, able to get back into their long friendly discussion about philosophy and life. And eventually, Satura asked Paulman one very important philosophical question. want to meet my sister? Paulman probably thought like, okay, like later on or something, that they could all meet up somewhere. Then Satu Ra started meditating.

He doesn't have a ring for her. His eyes. She's too powerful for that. His eyes dilated and his jaw locked. Pullman asked him, what the hell's happening? Ra said that he was summoning her. when just then Palman couldn't believe his eyes

as a beautiful woman materialized from thin air in a corner of the garden down hello she said I am Zitti Satu's sister Okay Siti was certainly dressed for the occasion

She was dressed in a sparkling evening dress With an orange veil She was direct and self-possessing And according to Paulman possessed matchless beauty. Yeah, that's because whenever you can choose a human form, you choose matchless beauty. Yeah, that's what I'm going for. Because when it...

I mean, that's what we went for. Sorry. When we... That's how you know we're not f***ing aliens. Because we're stuck with this. Okay? You think I would... If I was a f***ing mantis, you think I would have picked this.

Okay? Weak chin. Eyes too far apart. Foreheads you could park a FDFord 150 on it. I would have chosen differently. I will be honest, I do, in any alien visitation story, I do start to get a little nervous when the guys who say they've met the aliens start to say, by the way, did I mention the aliens are bad as hell?

Yeah, this is a dangerous path to go down, which is a lot of stories where someone says, by the way, the aliens were hot and for some reason they were obsessed with me, and I'm the chosen one. Yeah. That is such a red flag in these stories, and we have seen it. quite a few times before, on a small scale and the largest scale, which is someone saying he had an alien girlfriend.

Yeah. And that he went up to their ship and he has over 100 alien hybrid babies. And it's like, buddy, we all stopped listening like 40 minutes ago. So I'm hoping there's at least enough going on today that it's like it's not just one individual with an alien girlfriend. Hey, no one's a girlfriend. No one's a girlfriend. I'm just, he just was saying, Aliens with benefits. He just said she was fine, but we haven't gone past that yet. Okay.

Ziti spoke with a firm, a thwarted aver, and seemed to speak using the same process as her brother, i.e. the little thing. Oh, in her case, the sound came from a brooch that hung around her neck. Oh, that's cool. It was evident that she employed the same technique for communicating, as did her brother. On a small, bedjeweled brooch around her neck was presumably an electronic gadget of some type. Her voice came from the heart of this fine, small brooch, yet the sound synchronized with her lip movements. Never were her lip movements out of phase with the sound. And for the next few days, Paulman traveled along the bank of the ganges with the siblings.

In an almost religious trance, he decided for himself that they were indeed from the distant planet, Itibirah too, which they had described more and more. Paulman witnessed their near constant healing of the sick and administration of medicines, and he truly believed he was in the presence of two unearthly creatures. During some of these last days together, at one point, Paulman inquired about Satu Raz's strange gloves, and he asked to see his hands in the flesh. Satu said, Aye, and remove the coverings. Pullman described the fingers as flat and round like little discs,

and said they were extremely sensitive with no nails whatsoever. Holman also wrote that he never saw Satura's teeth. And eventually he asked him about it and he was like, yeah, we don't have teeth anymore. We just didn't need them. Well, they're on the pills. Yeah. Why do you need teeth if you're just eating pills and tablets? Well, Ludwig eventually, I guess, had to get back to regular life.

He said his goodbyes to the two and returned to Europe. And he truly thought that would be the last he'd ever see of Ziti and Satura. But as we'll see, the most dramatic part of this story was yet to come. Ludwig was now getting on with his life. He was running his business after all, and now he had a nice shiny gold ring as a memory of Satu Ra. And three years later, in 1967, Pullman was again overseas pursuing engineering contracts, this time in South America. And after months of work in Mexico, Colombia and Argentina, Paulman found himself in Peru, where he unexpectedly fell seriously. ill. He was laid up in a private hospital in Lima, delirious with pain and awaiting kidney surgery.

But at one stage, he came to in bed and suddenly felt a hand touching his. Let's go. It was Zitti. He's rubbing the ring like of Jeannie's lamp being like, I need the pills. This one's gonna cost you big dog. No, you're right. He noticed his gold ring was glowing in Zitti's presence. Green Lantern! She brushed her hand over his forehead and just, Just like that, his pains completely subsided.

He basically jumped out of bed. The staff in the hospital were astounded when he said, I just need to find a heavy breakfast. They said, please get back in bed, you urgently need a kidney operation. But Paulman felt completely healed. And he left to explore Lima with Zitti. You know, at this point in the story, I would be like, you know, I'm down to explore Peru with y'all. You guys seem really interesting, but I have to work. This is like, you know, those memes that are like that one unemployed friend on a Tuesday?

Right. It's like, yeah, of course I want to like hike a mountain, but we got work dog. Yeah. I got things to do. Like Ziti is like, let me show you my teleportation, Ray. It's brand new. I got it at a great discount. And he's like, yes, my business is failing.

I'm here to do work. Like, I'm not trying to say, like, if you've got some plan for me, we need to start talking cash. Let me sell the pills. Let me start selling the pills. Because I actually need this. I'm not saying we don't still get them to the sick, but like, we charge the people who have money, right? Yeah.

We charge people who have money to get better, right? If I knew that I had access to these pills, all I had to do was rub the ring, I'd be abusing that power. Like every Sunday morning, waking up, hungover, just rub the ring. And they're like, oh, are you sick? Very, very. Give me the pill. Drop one of those in a barocca.

I'd be doing like jackass style stunts, like front flipping onto beer pong tables, like breaking my back. And it's like, give me all the pills. just stand up and be like, yay, you know. And that's why you wouldn't be trusted with the pills because you're not taking them seriously. You're not treating them with the respect to the deserve.

I am seriously taking them. Is that the same thing? These pills might be rare earth minerals. We don't know that they're as cheap as aspirin. Yeah. Maybe the first one just killed him. This is all just a dream. Imagine, yeah, it turned out like their medical system

is incredibly similar to Americas. And he's like, man, these pills are a lifesaver. They're like, your medical bills stand at $4 million. Those pills aren't covered by your insurance, big dog. You've got to pay up. Yeah, it's like every time he takes them, it's this like euphoric feeling. And it's like, it's fentanyl. We're just giving you fentanyl in a pill.

It's like he felt fine. He left from the bed. Those little kids on the train died. Like next day, they overdosed. It was fent. No, why are he seeing visions? These aliens aren't hot. You're just, you're tripping, bro.

But as much as my head went here to like, bro is going to need cash, apparently Ludwig wrote in his book, Zitti did give him gold bars or like gold coins. I think gold coins actually, no, that I think about it, which he took to an exchange and cashed in for money, which, which weirdly does seem how aliens would navigate life on earth. They're not going to have Monzo. No, no, it's going to be some sort of primal material.

They're not going to have Revolut. Like, I feel like that's the whole thing, whether it's men and black, is like, they can get the disguise like 99.9% right, but there's always something uncanny. Right. And like with the money and stuff, they're like, yes, we exchanged the coins. And it's like a solid chunk of silver. Yeah, yeah. They don't get that it's like they need visa. Well, if we explain to them what a dollar is, they're like, this is the weirdest.

It's a piece of paper. That's a very, it's from a tree. It's the most caught. I can grow you trees. You're like, no, it's not. We weirdly made the stuff on the paper means something that you can get money. Yes.

They're like, well, I'll just give you the money. No, I don't need. The money is weirdly not good. I need the paper. Yeah, weirdly, you need the piece of paper which says that the US Treasury promises that if you were to go to the Treasury and say that you want the equivalent amount of gold

for what this piece of paper represents, they would be able to get it to you. Yeah. It's like way more complicated than even alien money. Yeah. See, this little number on my phone, I need you to add five zeros.

And then we'll be fine. That's if you could do that with your brain. After a few days of romping around the city, Zitti asked Pullman to travel out of Lima, not to space into the high Andes where they would meet Satura again. Ooh, that's where he's been living. Apparently, Zitti traveled with suitcases filled with books, records, and seeds.

Apparently, Ziti loved, as an alien, loved nothing more than record stores. Ludwig was like, every time she passed a record store, she would just light up. She was like, this is my favorite thing about humanity. That could weirdly make sense. He's listening to the beats. Yeah, I guess so. Which, like, that is one of the only things that humans have sent into space. I was going to say, the golden record.

golden records on the Voyager satellites that are currently hurtling, I think sort of approaching outside our solar system at the moment. I think that's how they encoded all the data, isn't it? On a disc? I think there are some things carved as well, some inscriptions. There's some visual things. But yeah, we literally sent friggin' vinyals into space. So the three of them headed off to a remote lake in the Andes, and this is where things took a turn for the intergalactica. While looking out over the calm mountain waters, a flying saucer landed on the lakeside in front of them. Not only that, but Pullman actually went aboard with Satura and Zitti. The whole episode was described by Paulman in great detail in his book.

He writes, There was a soft but painful noise, or rather reverberation as the saucer glided towards the edge of the lake, right to the spot where we were waiting. As the noise reduced a few decibels from painful to just bearable, the saucer hovered and opened up underneath its circular surface. An embarkation device, like a giant crooking his little finger, scooped us up and deposited us in some kind of antiseptic reception corridor. What? That is a pretty out there description for even this paranormal life. Yeah, that a kind of like a ladle, like they were a piece of soup, kind of came to

down to scoop them up. Yeah. And put them in a decompression chamber, almost. I mean, I like the details. It's a little more exciting than just a tractor beam or so, or the usual case of I don't remember. And, hey, compared to other UFO sightings, an extremely loud, buzzing, unbearable sound. I mean, these are, that is fairly common stuff for UFO sightings.

He describes inside the craft saying, immediately, I became aware of the biological, vegetational cellular structure, similar to soft polyethylene, embellished with exquisite designs and symbols. Only the flooring was a little harder. I suppose the reason for this must be its mirror-like quality. Through this floor, one could see what looked like a billion nerves and blood vessels. Ewe! So it's like the ship is like a living organist. It's alive, yeah. It's like being inside of King Jaboo Jaboo's belly. Again, I don't want to, you'd have to really check the history books, but I think that puts it in like, I don't think in the 60s that many people were claiming UFOs were biological organisms.

No, that's a rare one. That's a much more modern thing that we see now with like declassified documents. You know, Air Force pilots will be like, it moved like it was a living organism or something. Very weird, changing shape, changing direction, you know. Bro, it just goes on. Over the course of the flight in the craft, Paulman saw all kinds of fantastical things. He saw what he called the eye of the ship, a kind of central command center or control hub of the ship.

And rather than a cockpit with dials, the craft was controlled by a large organic structure like a brain. He later discovered the brain formed part of a network of interconnected eyes across their home planet and beyond. There was fentanyl in the pills. There absolutely has to have been. DMT at least. This is, yeah, this is wild.

He felt the craft was powered by cosmic forces rather than an engine in a conventional sense. And he essentially got the download of what their mission was here on Earth. These inhabitants of Etibirah too were visiting Earth to conduct research into plant life, vegetation and crops. Satura were very interested in crop management, cross-pollination, irrigation and agriculture. agriculture. They observed a strict vegetarian diet. They also revealed that they have been visiting Earth for years and even have crop plantations hidden in the Amazon rainforest. Whoa, of alien crops? I don't know. Now you mention it. Bro, don't get me started on this shit, bro, because you know where ayahuasca comes from, the Amazon rainforest. And you know where the local, because they said the indigenous tribes people are working on the place.

plantations. You know where if you ask the ancient shamans of the Amazon rainforest where ayahuasca comes from, they say the plants told us how to make it. That shit's real. You can know, you guys know I've talked about this before. Whenever those little, you can tell which one of us on the podcast has done ayahuasca before. Whenever those little kids got lost in the like Colombian rainforest and there was a manhunt for like a week and all the authorities were scrambling. The I've talked about this before. The guy who found them was on ayahuasca when he found them. Yeah.

And he was like, oh, it was easy. The gods, the forest spirits told me where the children were. So I just listened and went and found them. And then I'm pretty sure the children said there was like elves telling us where to where to find water and shit, bro. There's shit going on in the rainforest. All right. It's just asking Neil Armstrong. Am I right, Roy?

Oh, yeah. Well, now he's just pandering to me, yeah. Well, the ancient aliens in the rainforest. Well, yeah, if you want to talk about that, if you want to talk about the ancient metal library, which is located in Peru or Brazil, yeah, of course. Don't talk to me about Peru, bro. You don't even know where we're going with this.

Don't talk to me about Peru. Can you imagine if you were on this ship and, like, they're telling you about, like, you are the chosen one. We've brought you on this journey. And you're just looking around the ship exploring and you pull open a drawer and it's filled with like

30 replicas of the ring the magic ring they gave you and they're like, don't look in there! They're like, they just get them for like three bucks on Amazon they just like it's bullshit. I thought you were going to go horror movie

Modi opens a drawer and it's like human skulls. And they're like, so dude, do you stand for dinner? Yeah, yeah. Staying for dinner tonight, man? He finds a bunch of skeletons and they're all wearing the same ring. It's like, they trick him into thinking they're the chosen one.

Dude! This is when it got really nuts for Pullman if it hadn't already got nuts. Ludwig was allowed to see Itibiratu through the eye. Whoa! He learned that it was a peaceful, warless society who settled their political differences through sport. They had advanced architecture and sophisticated technologies. Paulman even watched Zitti speak to her parents through a biological television system. Which, you know, this was the 60s, guys.

Talking about having a FaceTime through a brain TV. That was pretty crazy thinking. What's the sport? Is that where the ring came from? Imagine it was like lacrosse. I don't know. Yeah, it was just one of ours. Like, it's a futuristic sport.

It was hurling. They're just playing Gaelic sports. We call it Kamogi. We call it Kamogi. Yeah, we have that here. It's like, this is Gamu, my uncle. He's like, right, look, Brick.

Oh, you're a good lad yourself. You must stay around. We're playing county football here at the weekend. It's going to be a great game. It's a Tibby Ra 1 versus a Tibby Ra 2. Oh, it's tough to get seats now. The all a Tibby fucking cop. So he was on this ship for quite a while.

They brought him a quote, kimono-like garment to wear. Talking about the food, Pullman said, Breakfast was not to my taste. I found the gelatinous plants from their planet impossible to eat. I tried the complicated arrangement of small containers from what I was supposed to drink.

So I just started sipping at random, and they were all laughing like children at my lousy behavior. One of the astronauts showed me how to do it. Nevertheless, I left practically with an empty stomach. That's one of the strange things about these guys, is that they are... I wondered if they were taking on human form to be on Earth. It kind of seems like, no, these are just like humanoid aliens

who have differences to us, but are actually largely kind of similar. Yeah, you never know. There's a lot of genres of aliens, whether it's like Nordic grays or the humanoid-looking ones, people who have theories that the aliens that are visiting us are just humans from the future or another reality. There's a lot of reasons why they could just be kind of different from us, but very human-like.

And it kind of makes sense in the same way that humans are looking to like Mars because it's the most similar to our planet. Yeah. That it's like, okay, can we get water going on Mars? Can we get food growing on Mars? It makes sense that these guys would travel across the solar system being like,

oh, Earth is practically the same as Itibiratu. Yeah. We can test out these crops here. Do you say this guy had like frisbees for hands? There was, yeah, disc fingers. I don't really know what that means. What I say? When God's creation sing, will a turtle not be part of the choir?

It takes all of us to be together as one. Given that you've just mentioned God, like, we'll get to it in a second, but I can't possibly fit all the details of Ludwig's book into this episode. You know, fans of the show will remember our investigation into Project Serpo and the Galactic 12. The Galactic 12. And this is similar vibes in terms of this just goes so deep.

And like his book does go into the religious system, the political system of this planet. He does get in the way. It's a full book. It's really big. He gets into every possible detail. He spent lots of time with these people. It's as detailed as you would expect a guy to go to another planet as that book should be, you know. But we'll have to keep it pretty surface level here.

We're already so deep. I know. You're telling me about what they had for dinner. Brother, where are they going? You're like, the juice was served in a bowl. It's like, what the, where are we? Are we still in our solar system? Where they're going, Roy, is home.

Because after a few days on board and hanging out around the lake, Satura explained to Paulman, Lake! He had been ordered to, they never, I don't think they really left. I think they're more just hanging out in the ship. Oh, dude, I thought they were like, done in it through space or something. Yeah.

Oh, they're just in the left. I think they just didn't leave. But they're about to leave because, look, Satura explained the parliament. They've been ordered to abandon their plantation. He said it's been days. Yeah, they've been hanging out for days. Imagine being on that ship for days and like seeing other planets and something. You're like, all right, it's time to get.

I was like, oh, no, we never left. Yeah, we're going to leave in like 45 minutes. What? No, I have to go home. I thought it was just taking this long to get to your home planet. I know, I imagine it's just been like, Jesus, what f-fitting up galaxy are we even in right now? I was like, we're still in Peru. Yeah.

We're still, we haven't left at all. No, they had been instructed to abandon their plantation in South America and return to their home planet. So, Ludwig basically departed to go back to life, leaving, you know, an important question open. This is one of the most insane contact these stories. we've ever heard of, did Ludwig ever see Satura again? Well, almost two years after the trip in the craft, Paulman had been compiling his experiences into a manuscript. He had bought a lakeside property in El Salvador, overlooking San Vicente volcano. When one morning, the ring began to glow, uh-oh, and burn on his finger. He knew it was a sign. Paulman took his small motorboat out onto

to the lake and after skirting the coastline for a while he found Satura sitting on a rock on an isolated beach. It was here as Satura revealed the sad news that Zitti was killed in an accident. Oh my god. On an expedition to another planet and after an hour or so of talking and catching up, Satura left Palman for the last time. Damn, that's sad. Rest in peace, Ziti. RIP, R-R-I-Z.

Rest in Itibirah. Which was a nice touch, a classy touch of, you know, Sato to be like, look, I know someone who was good friends with Ziti and would like to know. Yeah. You know. It would be really funny if you were like, she passed away, unfortunately. And he's like, oh man, that's such a shame. Like, I can't believe the pills couldn't work. The pills!

Oh, fuck! Forget about the fucking pills. God. It's just like, oh, you didn't even try the... No, I forgot. We haven't done the pills in ages. Yeah, I know. I forgot about the...

I remember when we were with you, we were doing the pills. Sometimes you just get so used to life on Earth that we have the pills. Yeah. Damn it! And the funeral was on Sunday. Like, we buried her and everything. I wonder if it's too late. Yeah, it's like, couldn't you just put one into her mouth?

We shot her body into the sun. That's our whole thing. We do that when someone dies. No, she is ash. Oh, God. Don't me a favor. Don't tell anyone about the pills. Because that's gonna be.

She's already been reincarnated as a f*** hamster. What are we going to? God damn it. Look, let's get straight into it. Other than Paulman's testimony, not loads and loads and loads of evidence. Sure. Arguably, none.

Where's the ring? But hold on. But hold on. Because we do have a couple of twists that may sway things. Believe it or not, the very day after Satura and Paulman's last meeting on the 15th of January, 1969, an El Salvadorian newspaper called El Diario de Oioreo ran this front page. Ovni-Wela Sobres San Salvador. UFO flies over San Salvador. The article details several

sightings of a craft by multiple witnesses across the city of San Salvador. Witnesses described a shiny saucer shaped craft hovering at high altitude. please get us the next image, which is, I believe, a newspaper clipping from that newspaper. That we're saying the day after he was visited, there was multiple sightings of a craft over the city of San Salvador, which is where they were hanging on? Yeah, kid's showing me a newspaper, a scan for my guess, which is the article. No photos of the craft, but it is a photo of a crowd of people. I guess it's the implication those are people who saw it. I don't know.

It's very strange. photo of the craft. There's no photo of the craft. Where I'm alluding to. I know it's a mental story. We all know it's a mental story. But this is a clue as to the story interacting with the world of evidence and the history we do know. So there have been people who have tried to piece together the story. And as I showed you, we know that there's something out there because Ludwig had the ring supposedly, right? Yeah. This is a very, very obscure. book. And it's not, it's obviously not in print anymore. There's, there are copies in existence. You can buy them online. I've been working off a scanned copy. Can we get one? Are they expensive?

We, I think I did look actually. And I think there is one in the UK. That would be, I should try and get my hands on. Speaking of, um, not just souvenirs for the office, but something to raffle off on Patreon. That would be really cool. For the giveaway for our lovely members of this paranormal life.com. That would be cool. We've done that before. previous books. We'll get your ring too. And we'll not talk about the time we gave away the book of the Kelly Cahill abduction. And then the person who won it sent it back to us and was like, what a load of shit. They're like, I literally don't want it in my house. Something's so funny about reading it in its entirety and be like, I've read it and I know it's bollocks. This is bollis.

You Want It Back. And I was like, I think I was very clear on the podcast about one, how expensive that book is. And two, the fact that I had to buy it and get it imported from Australia. Yeah. And it was like, congratulations to the person who wanted it. And he was like, read it, bunch of nonsense. Do you guys want it back? And he paid for shipping to send it back. It's a pretty nice thing to do.

It was very sweet. Because now we still have the book. It's here in the office, I think. So just to say, it's a rare book. It's an obscure story. I don't know if there's any record of Ludwig in the year. He can't be still around anymore, can he? If he was a middle-aged man in the 60s.

So where the hell is that ring? That's what I want to know. But other people have tried to figure out where this story interacts with recorded history and reality. And I did find someone who had made a report online. And I can't find the name of the author for the life of me. But they pulled together as much kind of as they could around this story. And so Phil, we're going to, let's just go one by one. But Phil, if you wouldn't mind going to our next image, these guys have been trying

to piece together the story. So like, this is a map of Peru and they're like circling the sites I guess that are mentioned in it. Because if you read the book, he's essentially alleging that there are alien plantations of things in the rainforest.

Yeah, yeah. Here's where this took place. Here's where this took place. You know, potential locations. I mean, you'll see this for anyone watching on YouTube, on Patreon, on Spotify. The image I'm showing has a little comic sans caption at the top saying, Arrow to the Miram River somewhere in the Atibirah Plant.

Oh, somewhere the Atibir Ra plantation was in February of 67. So this is a map that's showing the location of their alleged plantation. Yeah. Where they were growing stuff. Growing stuff. Spaceweed. I think we can move to the next one. Philip of the mind.

A bit of a smorgas board here, but again, it starts to illustrate the thing. The upper left image here is the, I believe, only known image of Ludwig. That's not good. And it's captioned High Priest and Ludwig Paulman. If we can really prove that the guy is real,

that's a bad. Well, someone wrote the book, dude. It was published. So the guy is real. Yeah. Then the bottom left is his notes taken over the course of the book. Don't know what the bottom right is. Bottom right is, this is a picture of a nun where you cross.

I believe the top right is a religious symbol known on the planet of a Tibiratu. So they're claiming that this, maybe this isn't an artifact from the planet, but at least it is the pattern, a pattern from the planet. That's kind of cool. Which is, I mean, it's very interesting. I mean, and we've seen a lot of this in person that stuff like contact in the desert, in this world of alien visitation,

you're getting into ancient alien stuff. This is getting into the world of like, this looks pretty South American, pretty Meso-American, pretty ancient Aztec. Yeah. These types of people would allege that those cultures were heavily influenced by alien visitation.

Right. And if you see something like this, which is like a design that's a lot of intricate patterns and shapes, that you could match that with cultures that have been around for generations. That's right. Which is a very cool idea. Phil, let's jump to the next image, please.

Again, this person who made this report doing some good deep diving. So March, 1967, this is a line drawing of the object observed and photographed by a man called Oranda over the Enkash Mountains of Peru. They write that the description of a Tibby craft were almost identical. I mean, were they? Like, the way he described it, it was like this kind of living organism, this strange thing.

This is a sketch of, and I can't overstate this enough, the most basic UFO drawing I've ever seen before. It's a flying saucer straight up, no defining characteristic. That bit is my bad. I think I would have to go deeper into the actual book and the descriptions.

I'd say there's going to be a lot more descriptions of crafts and things that I haven't got to. you are absolutely right. He definitely says once inside. He was like, oh, it's like biologic inside. He also said a giant's thumb scooped them up and put them inside, which I'm not saying this isn't capable of doing that, but yeah, I was imagining something very different.

Okay, let's keep going. I think we're a little bit more. These are, this is great stuff, but this is Peru, 1967. basically what this person is trying to do is put together the pieces putting together the story that Ludwig was coming up with about his experience of dealing with these aliens

and them supposedly being in Peru for a long period of time putting it together with UFO sightings in Peru in this exact era. Yeah, I like that. That's a smart way to do it. We got some interesting crafts in the sky. If those are real photographs,

those are some of the most detailed early UFO photos photographs we have. Yeah, that's pretty nuts. And yeah, somehow more again, also from this late 60s era in Peru. Roy, so we have some pretty compelling evidence here of UFO visitation in Peru, but if that wasn't enough for you, I have one final image that I think will push you over the edge into believing that aliens were absolutely present in Peru in the 60s. Phil Hiddem with the last image. Well, this one has... I mean, that is... It certainly pushed me over the edge. You are right. great great mm-hmm

do you want to describe it for the list of the fact that you don't even know where this is it's a photograph well I didn't write the caption there's text it just says

somewhere in Peru full stop and it is a it is a person who looks like they're just on holiday yeah posing in a photo

with an alien face carved into a rock yeah it's like like a shit Mount Rushmore it's like Mount Rushmore but for it well it's what shit about it it's tiny

there's only one head and it's cracked as all hell. So, look, the point I'm trying to make is arguably that's where the story kind of gets interesting is when you start thinking about the story is insane on its own and it happening in India is one thing. But then the story moving on to Peru, you start to realize it interfaces with all these other legends of alien visitation in Peru.

I mean, this isn't even getting into stuff like the Nazca lines. Yeah. This is kind of a hard thing which is like. evidence to prove a part of a story could be real. It's like someone saying, I was abducted by aliens on Tuesday in the pouring rain. And someone going, well, we checked the weather. And it was pouring rain that night. And it's like, okay, sure, that means that a part of this story is true.

There is some truth to this. But there is still a gaping, gaping hole of other evidence and other claims that really don't have any evidence to back them up. Right. But what if the rain was flying saucers over the Enkash Mountains? Sure. Still a lot of unanswered questions.

Okay. You don't like the ring? I love it. Where is the ring? Show me the ring. He obviously took it to his grade. Probably. Yeah, it's worrying that part of the evidence

was you having a photograph to prove that the guy was real. And you're like, and that's the only photograph I can find. Well, that's not... The guy was probably born in 1920 or earlier. Sure. Sure. But I need a photograph to prove that the aliens are real.

Not the guy who saw them. You know? Yeah. It's hard. That's tough. I kind of see that now that you mention it. Yeah, look, we're going to get into conclusions, guys, what we think of today's case.

Yeah, it's as often we get into on this part of my life, there's almost two stories at play here. I don't mean to conflate the entire UFO history of Peru with the single story of UFO contact from Itibiratu. We should focus on Ludwig's story,

that of Satura, that of Ziti and all that kind of craziness that happened. So we'll stay focused on that, even though the Peru stuff is very interesting. I'm sure we'll talk more about it at a later date. I know people have wanted us to talk about the NASCAR lines and all that kind of stuff. It's very, very fascinating. But you're right.

We do have to discuss this on its merits, which is just how much do we believe the story? Do we have enough evidence to believe the story? I mean, here's a good question. Is there any of it that you think is believable in terms of how it relates to other UFO contact stories or the craft? Is there any elements you liked about it? I mean, I loved all of it. I think the story's awesome. I think, and the details are really fascinating. The concept of the ring and meeting this person and these aliens that are growing crops on Earth, and all of it, I think, is awesome. I think is a really good science fiction story. I don't necessarily, we've investigated enough UFO cases to, like, see the patterns of cases that are potentially, like, more believable. And this one is

absolutely wild, which makes it a great story, but maybe doesn't make it the most realistic story. And the fact that it all hinges on one individual person, I know there were some fighting and stuff. That's just not great. That's really not great. Yeah. And, you know, I'm going to have to be Rory for once, which is if you're hanging out with them for weeks in the late 60s. Where's the photos, bro? Come on. On all your little tourist trips

around Peru and India, you didn't think to take a little family snap, you know? Yeah. He was on the ship, not even flying for three days. Take a photo, asked to borrow some stuff.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. We need a little more evidence. It's a little suss. You know, look, in this kind of story, I often think sometimes the passage of time, we lose a bit of context.

And I wonder at this moment in time, I wasn't around in the 60s. I don't know what the kind of literary context of this is that like some books were being produced that were just fiction. And almost as like not marketing, but like just as an interesting way of delivering that science fiction book,

they presented themselves as science fiction. fact. Yeah. And they said, this is a work of fact. Yeah. And that went on to form Scientology.

That's basically kind of what happens. Period. Yeah. That's absolutely true. Yeah. That if you just say at the beginning of a book, this happened, a certain percentage of people

will believe you, even if that is not actually true. And I think what's great about this and what makes it so intriguing and electric is that it, as I say, the story, even if it is fiction, interfaces with reality. It interfaces with real locations.

Potentially alien UFO sightings over Peru and locations. There's elements of it which give you something to chew on, but I think at its core, there is no evidence that Ziti exists. There's no evidence that Satyraxas. There's no evidence that Etibiratu exists. No one else has heard from these guys. Not one other person, apparently.

Yeah, which means this week, it's a no from me. It's a no from me. Ah, rats! We got a bad streak going. Oh, this, fucking waste of time. When was the last time we had a yes on this podcast? Honestly, this is, we're having a bit of a dry spell here. Jeez.

This podcast needs a pill to make it feel better. Yeah. Get a yes on this goddamn show for once. A toxic combination of riddlin and Viagra. Something to really get us going, you know? very, very very forte. Thank you so much for tuning

into this one, guys. I hope you've enjoyed it. Please let us know what you think in the comments. If you were personally moved by this story, if you've met any of Satura or Ziti's

friends or family and you can kind of indulge us in those stories. RIP Ziddy. Drop a... I mean, they're all dead now. RIP Lodwig, RIP Ziti, RIP, Satura.

Well, we know inside the Hollow Earth people can live up to 800 years old. They should have gone there. They should have gone in there. Unless, who knows, maybe Zidi was pushing like nine hondo she just looked great for her age i don't know how any of this works yeah i know

it's like the people from a tibiratu they're like a damn toyota engine it's like you look after it it'll keep going forever but like still kind of like you ain't making it past 900 yeah yeah at a certain point you just go there's only so many miles it can take um drop a comment drop a comment in uh youtube if you're watching this on patreon if watching it on spotify check it out oftentimes on a Friday after party where we go behind the scenes of this paranormal life we like to open up those comments and see how much people are roasting us

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Because this mother f*** never folds. Wow. He did some Darren Brown shit to where he's like conditioning his opponents. Yeah. He could draw four aces in a poker hand and he's like, oh gosh, guess I should probably fold again.

All folding over here's been dealt a handful of shit again. A handful of bear crap. And he goes, ah, I should fold, but you know what? All in. Yeah. Nice. I don't know about anything about poker.

I don't know if that strategy would do anything, but... No, I think going all in is really... They call it a tell. God. Yeah. Thanks also to basically theirs. Basically theirs is the response that people in the commune have to give when their loved ones say,

what happened to all of your physical belongings. They have to say, well, it's basically theirs. That's a very tight. crafted legal defense that our team have put together. Yeah. It's like you can't say it's ours because that makes it sound like we have forced your hand into signing over kind of all your worldly possessions. You have to say, well, it's basically theirs, you know.

Yeah, it's like, you know, the phrase, uh, mi Casa is two Casa. Yeah. Well, two Casa is Mi Casa. That's the flip side. And it doesn't flip. It doesn't flip. Your Casa is basically my Casa. Yeah.

It's basically ours. It's still legally in your name. Is it? But if you did you read the papers you signed? I don't think you did. Thanks also to Chris J. Diggs. I really hope Chris had like a 2000s era like music blog. And like that is just such a good blogger, like blog name is like Chris diggs.com.

Here's what Chris is digging this week. Oh yeah. The new Taylor Swift came out. Um, yeah, we're giving it five digs out of five. You know what I'm saying? That doesn't make any sense. Big Dogg. Dig-dog Dale.

I love that one. That's why Diggs is putting it six feet under. Is that something? Do I dig it? Yes, I can. He digs it. Chris, he digs it. All right, I'm background.

Think about that, Chris. Yeah. Thanks lastly today to Elizabeth Pian. Rory, how's your Pian tolerance? Because mine is very high. Oh, you can endure a lot. Oh, no, I could just endure a lot of Elizabeth. Oh, right.

Yeah, Elizabeth P.N. My P. intolerance. So we got there in the air. You know, because, you know, she's mostly just a delight to be around. I mean, she's always being like, oh, I baked fresh cookies. Yeah. Who wants one? You don't have to tolerate that.

That's great. Hey, I made the commune a mixtape. I made everyone a copy. Some days she has a bad day. Right. We're talking slash tired. little bit of arson. Well, you do have to tolerate that.

Arson? Yeah, poisoned a couple of school children recently. Elizabeth, why? Yeah. But like when someone is that nice most of the time, it makes up for a lot. Yeah, it does. The children have almost recovered.

Okay. They're getting there. They are getting there. Well, Elizabeth has done the nicest thing, which is support this podcast over on Patreon. That's the nicest thing that we can ask for. And that gets you a lot of leeway. If you do that, when you get to the commune, you can do a bunch of bad stuff.

As long as you're signed up to the paranormal commune. That's basically a get out of jail free card and monopoly. Are we selling indulgences like the Catholic Church in medieval times? Should we just straight up tell people that you can sin if you give us money? It worked really well for the Catholic Church until it didn't. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, until some people came around and they said, that's not right. This is immoral.

That's fine. You know what that didn't bring down? the Catholic Church. Yeah. Still going strong, baby. Yeah. So maybe... Great point.

We just adopt that business model. Should we create a new... They shouldn't have even stopped selling indulgence. We should make a new tier on Patreon. That's the sin tier. Yeah. That like for a certain amount of money, if you subscribe... If you're a billion, you know, when you've been deforesting the Amazon rainforest or something.

Yeah. Sin tier. Yeah, yeah. You cash it in. Give us, what? Five racks. And we'll forgive anything. Rory will be wearing a white robe.

You're like, go in peace, my child. Flick some holy water on him, send him on their way. Totally, yeah, we have no qualifications, no training. Yeah, you can't put it on too low a tier, because if it's five bucks a month, you got a group of sinners on your, everyone's sinning like crazy, you know? Oh, you got a, that's what Jesus said.

Give till it hurts. Did he say that? I think so. Oh, I thought that was Apollo, breed. Well, listen, thank you, Elizabeth. Thanks to everyone we've strutted out this week. Thank you.

Thanks to everyone who supports us over at this paranormallife.com. Head over there today, join the commune. Get absolved of your sins, potentially. Have a fantastic week. We're going to be back on Friday with that after-party reading your comments. And we're going to be back on Tuesday,

of course, with the brand new paranormal tape. Love you.