This Paranormal Life - Beware The Deer Woman of Oklahoma

Episode Date: February 17, 2026

If you’re ever outside on a snowy night and come across a mysterious woman luring you deeper into the woods, make sure you check what shape her footprints are in the snow… There’s a good chance you’re standing face to face with the Native American spirit known as ‘The Deer Woman’, and she only has one goal - to lure bad men into the woods and absolutely F**K them up. Support us on ⁠⁠Patreon.com/ThisParanormalLife⁠⁠ to get access to weekly bonus episodes! Follow us on ⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠Join our Secret Society Facebook Community⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Buy Official TPL Merch!⁠⁠ Edited by Philip Shacklady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

If you're ever outside on a snowy night and come across a mysterious woman, wandering by the forest, your instinct might be to help and make sure she's okay. But if she starts luring you deeper into the woods, there's something else you need to check. What shape are her footprints in the snow? While this may sound like a fairy tale, this creature has been cited multiple times. What happens when you follow it? What if you follow it on Instagram and not real life? Do ghostly footprints in the snow?

All of these questions you can find the answer to on this paranormal life. Hello everyone and welcome back to This Paranormal Life, the comedy paranormal podcast hosted by me and this guy, Kit Greer Mulvena. This is an exciting episode because I'm ready to reveal that this is the final episode that we're going to be recording. Don't say it like that. Well, let me finish the sentence. For sure. queue it up differently. This is the last ever

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two years now, and I'm excited to say that we're finally making the big move to a smaller room downstairs. Is it really downsizing, if you kind of of use the correct words, you know, we're getting more efficient. Phil's gone. Yeah. You know, going back to the old days of just you and me recording in your spare room.

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If you listen to the after party or any of the behind the scene stuff that we do, you can hear more about that move. Hey, let's see if we can have our last episode recorded in this studio be a double yes. Absolutely. I'm low-key nervous about telling everyone that we're going to because now we have to do it. Like, we just have to be ready. The next room has to be ready for the next recordings. Yeah. Which, like, come rain or shine, how good that place looks, how crazy it looks, how good or bad it sounds. We have one day to move, 24 hours.

And to be clear. At the time of recording, there's a dead raccoon on the floor of that office. Like, it needs clean. A lot of work. It needs total reno. I think we're going to actually transform the official This Paranormal Life Instagram into, like, one of those, like, home renovation pages for, like, a year. in order to get the studio ready.

But yeah, we will be podcasting for better or worse from that new studio imminently. Yes, in fact, the very next episode you see should in theory be in that new studio. Crazy. But for now, we're here and we got a paranormal case to dive into. So let's do it. Today's case is actually a listener submission

from an individual named Grace Morrison. They said, hey guys, I really love your podcast. And I was wondering if y'all could find something paranormal from Oklahoma. were such a boring state, brackets, as far as I know, and it would be awesome if y'all could make it interesting. Thanks. They went on to say,

here's one case that might be interesting, and then listed the name of a paranormal entity that I had never heard of before. So today on the podcast, we're traveling all the way to Oklahoma, where the wind comes sweeping down the plane, not to visit a haunted house or a UFO crash site, but simply the forest, where if you venture deep enough,

you can find a mysterious and strangely beautiful creature that may lead you to your death. I want you. The Hyundai-Alantra hybrid inspires a special type of love, the type that makes you slow down and enjoy the ride. With best-in-class fuel efficiency and a best-in-class new car warranty, it's made for the long run, wherever the road takes you next.

Because some relationships are built to go the distance. It's that Hyundai-A-Lontra type of love. It's the dead of winter, and we're in Haskell, Oklahoma, a small city just south of Tulsa. It was late one night when a security guard at the Haskell Indian Nations University was doing his rounds, patrolling the school grounds in his car. When he noticed something along the dark tree line that borders, the campus. It was a woman. He pulled the car over and watched this lone female figure,

wrapped tightly in a blanket, walking slowly towards him in the snow. He rolled down his window and cried out, Hello? Can I help you, ma'am? There was no response. The woman just turned around and began walking slowly back into the woods. Now the security guard thought about letting it go. But there was something about this woman, something that called him to follow her, which, fellas, let's be real. We've all at one point pursued a deeply problematic woman further than we probably should have. I, for one, once dated a girl who said her favorite band was Imagine Dragons. That should have been it from the start. I'm going to look past this transgression. Maybe she doesn't know about the works of My Chemical Romance

yet. Right. I could change her. I can change her. Yeah. But the security guard was there to keep an eye out for anything suspicious, and this was suspicious. So he grabbed his flashlight and stomped through the snowy field. But as he approached the woman at the edge of the tree line, something felt wrong. She slowly turned and began drifting back into the forest. The guard glanced backwards at his own footprints. Deep boot-shaped prints in the snow.

But when he glanced in front of him, he saw the woman's presence. leading him into the woods. They weren't footprints. They were hoof prints. Okay, well, that's insane. Yeah. I was just about to clarify, the dynamic of a woman being followed at night

is so treacherous. I'm just trying to be, it just feels a little odd. I know he's trying to keep her safe. She maybe doesn't know that. Yeah. She, they, I don't know what this thing is. It.

But there's something funny about the male psychology of like her footprints were leading me. into the woods. A woman's footprints don't lead you anywhere. She was just going somewhere

and you were following her. But let's just be absolutely clear. I'm a security guard. I'm trying to help you. Hey, get back here. Say, stop ice! Oh, fuck. Yeah.

Hey, I would say if you're, especially a male individual in a situation like this, it's good to be aware of how you could be perceived in a situation like this. Yeah, fellas. cross the street when you're

happened to be walking behind the lady I actually I actually practiced this just last night when I was walking out of the tube back to my hotel and there was one woman came out of the tube as well and I was like we both came on the same place I'm just going to make it abundantly clear I'm not following this person across the street

but then she crossed the street and I was like all right well now I have a wife that's 3D chess I have a wife and a child Kit puts his hands over his head and bends down on one knee I have myself I hand myself a London Metropolitan Police. Yeah, look, I would say the best thing you can do is just

even if you're walking home at night behind a woman is just slow down. Slow down. Start whistling. No, for sure, don't start whistling. Well, it depends on the tune. So I think a good tune would be like, you know, some kind of jovial loony tune shit. Don't go with, for your own.

example, a bad tune would be like the killbill shit or whatever that is. Tiptoe through the tulips. Don't just start singing that shit. Don't pull out some A24 melodies. That's what I'm going to say. I've got to think damn nospheratu's behind them. Because even the innocent songs in context could sound really bad. If you were like, hey, I'm just going to keep it as innocent as it can be.

Twinkle, twinkle, little star. You know what? It's not working being behind her. I'm going to speed up and try and get ahead of her. How I wonder. It's a terrible, terrible look. Start singing it under your breath. Wonder.

The itsy bitsy spider. Back to our story. Don't do that. Don't do any of these, please. The man raised his head, staring once more at the mysterious woman now standing in the clearing of the trees. She was frozen in place, watching him, waiting for him to come closer.

But he didn't. The man slowly backed away from the tree line, not taking his eyes off her for a second. The security guard knew that he had just had a close encounter with the dear woman. Oh, not D-E-A-R woman. No. Dear woman, stop. No, dear woman, double E. The clue is in the hooves.

So, I know what you're thinking. Who or what is the dear woman? Well, to start us off, why don't I just show you a picture? Well, sorry, an illustration of the dear woman. Don't have any pictures today. I want to make that clear from the get-go. Really? We can't expect any? The rest of the day?

No photos, no videos, nothing. Here is a... I think Phil can go home. I don't think he needs to queue up anything. You can just hit record and walk off. We can start packing up the studio now for the next. office, I think we're pretty good. We could just throw out the double yes

trophies. There's not going to be a triumphant return here. Kit, here is an artist illustration of the dear woman. Damn. For sure, don't have that as your reaction to this photograph. It's kind of a it's a pretty... Awooga. No, it's not like that.

It's like more of just like an intimate scene. Although it is a very old drawing, it seems like this is of the visual style of like, yeah, probably early last century. What's happening? The dear woman is like straddling someone and like kind of like trying to, what's the word? Seduce.

Seduce. Yeah. By like stroking their face and looking deep into their eyes. Yeah. But don't get it twisted. Big old antlers. Big old deer behind. Big old deer legs.

If you search on the internet, this is also a very popular depiction of a dear woman. I don't think that's true It is Did you Photoshop this? This is slightly different vibes From the first photo that I showed Kit This is the protagonist of an anime series Called My Dear Friend Nocotan

And again dear A bit of a pun there My Dear friend spelled double E R Yeah Well essentially what we're looking at here Is a picture of an anime girl with deer antlers. Have you seen this anime? I know you're a kind of anime head.

I've seen... You're like, anime, I've seen the hentai. I've seen that one. I'll tell you that much. I've seen community adaptations of this popular series. Yes, I have. I'm very familiar. I have authored a number of fan fiction pieces. Is it still considered watching the anime if you experience it through a VR headset? All right. That's quite enough. The deer woman, the first one that I showed you a picture of, is a creature... Sorry, I'm choking up the...

Flory's transforming into a deer in front of my eyes. The dear woman is a creature from Native American mythology that over the years has appeared in a few different forms. In some versions of the story, she appears as simply a beautiful, young woman. In others, a creature that's half human, half deer. But in most stories, her goals are always the same to lure evil men into the shadows, using her beauty and fucking them up. Wow. Well, stumping them to death or something with her hooves? What does she do? I can't find specifics, but I think it is, uh, yeah, just, uh, battering the shit out of them, killing them, eating them, ripping them apart. Yeah. So, yeah, not for sustenance as more of a moral

punishment. Yeah. This is kind of, it's fairly standard issue siren behavior. Yep, which we will don't talk about too much now because we'll get, we'll talk about that later. Okay. That's all I was going to say was just that that is a, it's a trope of myth and legend that a creature which, yeah, as you say, it has some sort of internal moral compass. Yeah. Um, where it's trying to, yeah, punish, trying to capture. I think sometimes we'll not get into it. You didn't, you don't want to be I actually don't want you to get into it. You can get into it later. I think I've said my piece. Okay, cool. Now, of course, like a lot of these types of creatures from mythology, they're not only a physical thing, but they also exist to serve a warning. And in this case, the dear woman

is a warning to men who abuse or disrespect women. In the same way that when we recently did our Christmas episodes, where we talked about Crampus, he was an entity created to essentially scare children off misbehaving. He existed as a threat that would come into your lives if you were a bad person. In other versions of the stories, she's seen as a protective fertility spirit. Or she's seen as helping women with childbirth or even blessing relationships. Nice. In the Lakota and Cherokee lore, the dear woman represents respect,

discouraging violence, and urging harmony with all living beings. That's actually beautiful. Then there's some of the weirder, darker lore. the dear woman is also said to be able to haunt men's dreams. She appears as either a single deer or two dear women, one with a white tail and one with a black tail. Now if you are a man and the dear woman appears in your dreams, the one thing that you should not do is have sex with her.

Okay. Don't do it. Men that have sex with her in the dream are believed to go insane. Is this consensual? Is she like, please for the love of God, have sex with me? I haven't had the dreams. I can't tell you. Because I want to know how bad these men are.

Are they like forcing themselves on this poor dear woman in their own dream? I couldn't imagine so. And she's like, I'm going to kill you now. Now, I will say if you're a woman, go to town on that thing. Really? Because apparently women, the dream of the dear lady, will develop strong powers, sexual attraction, and can even gain artistic ability. Wow.

There you go. So if you're struggling at work, you know, you want a little bit more sexual attraction and power in your life, you just got to start thinking about the deer woman. Now, whenever you said go to town on that thing, tell me what you mean by that. Nope. I don't have to elaborate. It's for the ladies and their dreams. You're talking about the dear coochie or what? We're all wondering what you meant.

Don't say the words dear coochie to me, a guy who's trying as hard as he can to not dream about the deer. woman. All right? I need to think less about the dear woman, if anything, which is bad, because I've spent days researching this and looking at frankly erotic artwork depictions on the internet. Yeah. Okay? So I am very sorry if you were listening to this at night. I would stop the podcast and listen to it in the morning. Yeah. We talked a little bit about the dear woman in myth and legend, but the important thing to remember is that she's also real, as we learned from our opening story. The dear woman is more than just a creature from myth and legend. Allegedly, she exists.

And that first sighting at the university wasn't the only time that she'd been spotted in Haskell, Oklahoma. The second most famous sighting of the dear woman took place in the 1960s or 70s. We don't know. And what's even more worrying is that it took place at the very same university.

If that's the case, round up the boys. Round up the boys. If the deer woman who kills bad men is turning up at the same university weekend after weekend, you need to have a talk. Yeah. Investigate that frat house. Come on. Yeah. There's bad stuff.

There might be some bad men hanging out in a university fraternity. Huh. Huh. That's news to me. It's also so strange that there's a direct correlation between the number of fraternities and the number of deer attacks on campus. It's frankly staggering. The second most famous siding. Staggering.

Nice. I was going to say, that was pretty good. That was good. I mean, yeah, well, thank you. Yeah, you're welcome. Thank you. I have my job. Thank you.

Oh, no, dude. I'm drinking tap water out of a pint glass, Phil. Do you think we have money in this operation? We can't afford a bottle of water here in the studio. I'm not trying to save the planet. I don't give a fuck about that. I look like I'm at a frat party right now. No, you can't have your job back.

I have a mug of coffee. It's just empty. That was for two weeks ago. I'm just sipping it to give off the illusion that we can afford caffeinated beverages. There's nothing in this. We need a sponsorship. Come on. Monster Energy, sponsor, Rory.

I don't know. Evian, sponsor me. You know, we can make this happen, guys. This second sighting took place not in the woods at night, but in the day in front of hundreds of witnesses. What? I know that's what you like to hear, Kit. Hundreds of witnesses.

It's what I like to hear. I showed you a case with 10,000 witnesses and you still said no, but... Hey, we're leaving that behind. We're moving into a new studio, new beginnings, leaving it all behind. No, we're still in the old one today, but... According to the stories passed down through students, alumni, and local community members, the sighting occurred when you at least expect it during a packed university sports game. It's almost time for kickoff here.

Your fighting Indians are facing off against Dakota State. Let's make some noise! Halfway through the game, everything seemed normal. Both teams were battling it out in front of hundreds of onlookers. When all of a sudden, spectators in the crowd began to notice a mysterious woman standing amongst the fans. She was wrapped in a traditional blanket with her long dark hair flowing in the wind. There was something about this figure that stood out.

Before long, men and men were. the crowd had completely forgotten about the game and had their eyes locked on this mysterious siren. Then, as if becoming aware of the attention, the woman began to climb the steps to the bleachers. And as she stepped forward,

several witnesses noticed something wrong. Her feet were making a clackety noise as they stomped up the steps. When the crowd glanced down, they discovered, Her legs were hooves, obviously. Before anyone could react, the woman reached the top of the bleachers and leapt off.

People rushed to the edge, expecting to find the mangled remains of a woman below. But there was nothing. No one matching her description was ever found. No explanation ever offered. And the story is retold by students year after year. Now, while these are the two most well-known sightings of the dear woman, there are many more encounters, where people claim to have spotted. a solitary woman making deer-like tracks in the snow, or appearing briefly at the edge of the woods.

One widely circulated tale describes someone encountering her at a festival, only to see her feet morph from hooves to human feet as she began to become noticed. And the festival appearance does actually make sense because in some versions of her lore, the dear woman is said to be fond of dancing and will sometimes join a communal dance unnoticed, leaving only when the drum beating ceases. Yeah, because I was going to say, is she like a big fan of college sports? Like, why was she turning up in the bleachers?

I really thought I'd made it out of that story before you started to question some of the major details. Because it's nonsense why she just attended the game. I don't know, hometown pride, I guess. Yeah, she really rides for Oklahoma. Yeah. Yeah, interesting. Okay.

Don't love that response to this. Okay. Noted. Do you have any thoughts about her just being, having a love of the beat? I kind of like that. Yeah. I kind of like, because it feels more historical, unbelievable than, yeah, American football. Yeah, it's kind of cool.

That almost has like an Irish flavor to it that I could get along with. It feels like the kind of thing we would have in our mythology. Right. is that, you know, similar to how we investigated the Hellfire Club outside Dublin, where it was like a secret society and they would drink and gamble and stuff like that. And then I think the devil turned up to gamble one night and then the place burned down and all this stuff. But it's quite a cool cinematic scene to imagine. Yeah.

Is that, you know, the cloaked individual comes in. Everyone wonders what their deal is and they play the game and they gamble with the devil. similar here that you could be dancing, you know, at a dance 200 years ago. Yeah. And everyone slapping their knee and playing music and the roar of the fire. And then you dance with a beautiful woman. And then you look down, hooves. And then she bites your neck and sucks your blood and everyone screams.

That's the old-timey version of when you, you know, would spend all night at the club and then right at closing time, the lights come on. And you're like, hooves. Yeah. That's what they would usually yell at me. Like to come on and I'd be like, yes. As I, as I expected, they go, oh. Oh, God. Jesus.

She f***ed hell. Oink, oink, piggy. Someone called the streets. Call the bouncers. A barnyard animal has infiltrated the dance. There's also something great about your analogy where you're like, It's like, you know, the dear woman, she was born out of this incredible kind of Native American folklore. So they say that during times where people are kind of dancing around the fire and holding these festivals, her lore and her beliefs and origins, draw her to it.

It's inescapable, just like in Ireland, where many of our mythical creatures are also known to drink and gamble and fight. They can't help, but it's in their nature. Yeah, don't threaten them with a good time Now while the dear woman has a lot of cool characteristics that make her unique There are many cryptids for many cultures that also share the same goal Luring men to their deaths I'm starting to see why I shouldn't have brought up sirens earlier Yeah, well we're gonna have cut that I think from the earlier thing so don't worry we don't have to talk about it now

Okay, it's great oh what is that I've never heard of that one that's crazy I know Kit, you're wondering, what's a siren? I am, actually, yeah. Can we cut the bed about there being nothing in my coffee cup? Because I feel like I wanted to keep the illusion going a little bit longer. In the way, they say, you know, are you a cup half empty or cup half full guy? Rory's cup is confirmed empty all the time. He doesn't have a choice.

It's all empty and I'm full of shit. The most popular category. The most popular category. Those popular cryptid in this category is one that we've talked about on the podcast before. Sirens. I've heard of that one. I actually think we might have to do a full episode on them soon. Because sirens originally come from ancient Greek mythology,

first appearing in Homer's Odyssey, which is about to be adapted into Christopher Nolan's next big movie. Now on the surface, you might mistake a siren for a mermaid, as they're often found near rocky shores and are also described as being half woman, half fish. However, sirens are known for one thing, and that is luring sailors to their deaths. The legends go that once a sailor hears a siren song, they enter an almost trance-like state where they would steer their ships towards the singing and usually end up smashing their ships on the rocks.

Sirens actually made an appearance in a movie I watched recently, which was The Lighthouse, with Willem Defoe and Robert Paz. A terrifying and fantastic movie, if you haven't watched it, which is actually loosely based on the events of another paranormal case that we covered on this podcast. Can you remember the name of it? The Lighthouse One. So no. No. I didn't think so.

Can you remember it? Nah. It's dope, though. Well, don't shame me then. Okay. Phil, can you, can someone look it up? Because it is a really good episode and we can't, in good conscience, tell people about an episode we did and then not say what it is. I've got to tell the name of it or the episode number.

The vanishing, the true mystery disappearance of Elyon Moore. Yeah, that's probably it. Yes, the disappearance at Elyon Moore. Lerian Moore. Yes, three lighthouse keepers go missing in a remote and desolate Scottish lighthouse. Great story, highly recommend. Dope episode, check it out. But that, the Siren isn't the only creature that kind of shares these traits.

In Slavic folklore, they have something called the Rusalka. Now these are water spirits that are often depicted as the ghosts of women who have drowned. They appear as young women with long hair, luring men to rivers and lakes, where they then entangle them with their hair and limbs. The creepiest part is that in many of the stories, the Rassalka are said to laugh as they pull the men under to their deaths. Some legends say they tickled men to their deaths. gosh, it would work on me.

I'm ticklier than a mother-f-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h. Oh, it's terrible. It's terrible. Are you tickly? Yes, I am tickly. I feel like I shouldn't disclose that information on the podcast. Do you think there's any... Do you think there's like any...

Because you know the way some people seem to be naturally ticklish or not? Yeah. Do you think there's any stage of like Navy SEAL training or Delta Force training where they beat you out of being ticklish? Probably. Because you've got to do everything. to go through everything like torture, um, imitation and all kinds of like basic training and that, yeah. Like they can't send a ticklish motherfucker into Iraq 2002, surely. Right. Because that's just

not intimidating. No. A ticklish soldier. Yeah. It's like you could you could take a bullet to the leg and keep walking, but you can't just let someone tickle your armpits. How's that going to work? I used to know someone who was so ticklish that you could just hold your hands out. I know what we were talking about. and move your fingers and they would start laughing. It was like magic. It was crazy. I felt like a Sith lord. I could just, yeah, hold my hands out.

And they would crumble laughing in the floor. It was crazy. It's a man too, yeah. Which is crazy, like a grown-ass man, which is crazy, yeah. Is it who we think it is? Yeah. It's a wrestler John. It's the only thing where you can defeat him in wrestling.

So pretending to tickle That's crazy That was wild I forgot about that I've actually seeing Wrestler John Soon we're going snowboarding together So I might have to try that

In the slopes Yeah Try to use the force To tickle them into submission In Colombia and Latin America They have something known as La Pata Sola Like the others

La Pata Sola appears as a beautiful woman alone in the jungle, often crying or injured. When a man approaches to offer aid, she reveals her true form. One hoofed leg, a fanged mouth, glowing eyes. And like the dear woman, La Parasola is known to only target unfaithful or lustful men. Which actually I think is maybe the most interesting part, not the shared similarities about having a hoofed leg or being kind of part monster, but again, a culture that has a creature that exists solely to deliver justice to bad men, which I actually think is really interesting. Yeah, we need more of this.

Because there's so many creatures in the cryptid world, paranormal world that exist purely to scare children. Yeah. What we need is one to scare billionaires. Oh, that's a great one. Into paying taxes. Which I think was essentially just Christmas Carol. Yeah. That's what Christmas Carol was, what is if you're a dickhead and you hoard all your money and you're mean at Christmas, three ghosts are going to show you the error of your ways. I think this individual cryptid is interesting because instead of like luring men with a song or beauty, it's this illusion of being injured or upset or something like that, which is quite terrifying if you hear crying in the woods. I mean, I'm not going near the crying. Yeah, it feels like there's a moral way.

for them to do it an immoral way. It is quite funny how this is, this practice is actually something I think some police departments around the world do. I think they definitely do it in America where the police will go undercover as a drug dealer and offer to sell people drugs.

And then when they're like, yeah, actually I'll take I'll take three grams of hash and they're like, you're under arrest. What? Yeah, I tricked you into buying drugs. Motherf- it's like, this feels wrong. Aren't you selling drugs to people?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The drugs aren't real. So then I didn't do anything then. I didn't actually ever possess drugs. Yeah, it kind of reminds me of if you ever played the video game Red Dead Redemption, there would occasionally be on your adventures just a wagon on the side of the road with like a missing wheel. And you'd get flagged down by a woman that's like, hey, can you help me out here? Classic.

You'd pull over and then like nine dudes would jump out of the bushes and try and beat the shit out of you. Yeah. That's kind of what's happening here is, you know, faking being in distress to lure someone close. And I don't know what this individual does. I just heard that she targets lustful or unfaithful men, but you got to assume she kills him. Now, the coolest part about this story and this creature known as the dear woman is that while her origins were centered around cautionary tales against cheating, abuse and violence against women, it shifted over the years. And now, often the stories and legends about the dear woman revolve around building stronger communities, cultural identity, and the dear woman has become a sort of icon against systemic violence against indigenous women, which I actually think is pretty interesting for this paranormal life because, as you said, Kit, this might be the first time we're investigating a cryptid that we want to be real. Usually we're investigating things where if they were real, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night.

Yeah. If this creature is real and you can't sleep at night, I mean you're a bad dude. Yeah, I feel like, I feel like this woman, dear woman, would be like an absolute shoo-in candidate to be like mayor of Tulsa, Oklahoma. Yeah, she's throwing dope festivals where everyone can dance. She loves the local sports teams, for one. She's like, thank you for electing me, mayor of this great city. I vow to, sorry, one second, I see a bastard. Just snaps his neck.

You all knew I had to do that real quick. So, well, day one, we're going to make us an affordable city. Sorry, yeah, that just popped into my mind what that guy did last week. So, yeah. It's like I want to just say, congratulations to my opponent for an incredible campaign. You know, it's been amazing to be a part of this rivalry to see who could come out on top. She shakes her hand, snaps the neck. You guys don't know that, but he also did a bunch of really big.

bad shit. Yeah, Goodwin, son of a bitch. Yeah. I know everything. Men of the town, I know everything. So I'll give you a 10-minute head start before I start delivering sweet justice. Problem is in the kind of unfortunate, cursed timeline we all live in now. Give it six months before the power goes to her head. She starts getting investigated by an anti-corruption officer. She's like, he tried to kiss me. He tried to kiss me. He's like, what, what? Snaffs his neck. Anyone else want to go? And I also want to try and investigate me? No, I thought not. Today, while we are talking about a lot of different creatures from a lot of different places that all share the traits of the siren, today we're investigating just one, which is the dear woman.

Grace Morrison, I hope this case was, you know, serve the purpose that you wanted, which was making Oklahoma a more exciting place to live. You know, reading about this specific cryptid, I don't think Oklahoma sounds like a boring place at all. In fact, I learn a lot about the kind of indigenous history here and the culture and the lore. And I think, you know, if every state is kind of home to a cryptid that is kind of their mascot, you've got one of the good ones, I would say. Yeah. Mothman, also probably one of the good ones. But then once you start to get to those swampier states where maybe your mascot is the skunk ape. Yeah.

I don't know. I would be pretty happy with the dear woman. Yeah, absolutely. It's something to be proud of. I mean, what's California's mascot at this point of match a latte? Like, what are they got to stand behind? Okay? Well, California, I think, is home to a lot of the fearsome critters of North America.

Yeah. And I think their official mascot currently is a bear, isn't it? That's pretty dope. To be fair. Let's pick on somebody else. Fucking Oregon. What are you guys up to? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Honestly, I know that you can find online like a map of America. Yeah. And it shows you the locations where all the biggest, most famous cryptids reside. Yeah. So I'll say Oklahoma, if the dear woman isn't yours right now, you guys need to start a petition. So here's what we need to do is because people have been showing us those maps for years since we started the podcast. They're like, look at this cool map of America and all the pictures laid out.

And they've been selling those online for years. They're really popular. They're really cool. It's a nice idea. You could actually do it for really any country in the world. It would be a nice idea. What we should do, and I'm just thinking of this off the dome right now is. I like it.

I like it. I can do new business plan. We need a new business plan. Yeah. Because of all the things are going for the company recently. Yeah. If this goes well enough, you might get your job back, Phil. How about that?

We might have to, yeah, I don't think we can afford the plane ticket from where you're going, though. To get you back. But yeah, so we flip the map. We do a remix of it, a TPL version of the poster. Nice. Which is Map of America, but every state, it's the worst crypted from that state. World shittiest cryptid style. I like it.

You know? I like it a lot. I mean, I'm looking at a few of these maps online that, you know, detail the mythical beasts of the United States of America. There's some shitty cryptids on there already. Yeah. For example, the wind tosser. Yeah, because that's the thing. There's, you know, there's 50, what is it?

50 continental states. Yeah. That, you know, there's got to be a state that we're really clutching at straws to get something cool. In Florida, there's something called the sticky. knee. The sticky knee? The sticky knee. Well, you'd kneel down on a chubba chub or something.

What happened? I don't know. We need to look at some of these maps. There's a lot of cryptids that I have never heard of before. You know what we should look into? This is some data we could pull somehow. Maybe we should see how we're doing in terms of like, have we covered it? Because we've done, what are we at?

I'm trying to remember how many episodes we've done. But have we done a case in every U.S. state? Oh. And then if we haven't, if we're like kind of. close, we should make it our mission to try and complete the 50 US states. That's a really good idea because there's probably some states that are in like middle America or some of the smaller ones that you wouldn't necessarily jump to when you think of paranormal creatures. But I bet if you dive in there, you probably find some of the weirdest and most fascinating creatures yet. It just feels like,

yeah, it feels like it wouldn't be that hard to do. We should try it. And then we could make it a fun thing towards the end. I'm looking at the map right now and I'm looking at creatures like the Oklahoma octopus. I didn't even hear about that one when I was researching this case. Now, I'm not a genius. Is Oklahoma on the sea? No. No, I didn't think so.

It doesn't scream beaches to me. Where the fucking octopus coming in? That really is encrypted. That's paranormal. Yeah, it's just, someone just went to the local aquarium. Yeah. The Oklahoma octopus. How did it get here?

We don't know. Yeah, that would be an interesting one to investigate. And honestly, there's so much mad shit here. It's like the rare cryptid, the Saharan shark. A shark not where you would expect it to be. There's something here called the Charlie. Are you done by the way? Oh, yeah, for sure.

We're done. We're wrapping up here. Yes, we need to come down on our conclusions. At the end of the episode, this was a suggestion by Grace Morris. who suggested the dear woman. Of course, we have to come down on our own conclusions. Is there a lot of evidence in today's case? We have some artists' illustrations.

There was one drawing, yeah. And an anime depiction of a dear woman. But Kit and I also have to come down on our own conclusions. It's tough when we talk about a creature like this that is, let's face it, born out of kind of myth and legend. But I thought it was important to throw in these two very notable sightings. But if you talk to a lot of people in this town, they will swear that it really did happen. Yeah, which is pretty cool.

Very cool. I wonder if it's a situation where way, there actually have been way, way more sightings of the dear woman, but no one wants to admit it. Because even the security guard, he kind of put his neck on the line by saying that the deer woman tried to lure him into the woods. Yeah, that's true. That's a really good point. Maybe he told this story and was like, It was like, guys, like, you don't believe this. This woman was luring me into the woods.

I looked down. She had, who's for feet? And she was trying to get me to come into the woods. Have you ever heard of anything like this before? Like, yes. The dear woman that exclusively kills bad men. You're talking about the rapist catcher? She really, she really came to see you?

The pito hunter of Oklahoma? It's like, you got to, if you see her, you got to, she was asking me directions. actually. She was like, where's Alpha Centauri house? You know, the fraternity house? Now that I think about it, you know, because I saw hooves, but like they could have been, they might have been a horse. I think there were more horse hooves than deer hooves.

So I probably saw a horsewoman who, is there a lore about them? Do they visit good guys and bless them with shit? Because I don't think it was, I don't think it was the deer one. What did you say the deer one does? It kills bad men? You have nothing? It couldn't have been me then. Couldn't have been me. No, no, no. The Piedo on Doro Glover.

It's like, oh, you know what? It actually was a dear woman. But did I mention that the whole thing was a dream? It was just a dream. And they're like, yeah, part of the lore is that she appears in men's dreams. Fri. Jesus Christ. They're like, you're the dream?

You didn't f*** her, did you? No. No. That would be so, such a what? Did you just say that was such a crazy? We just did hand stuff. Is that allowed? She did hoof stuff. I mean, hands stuff.

Seriously. She gave me a hoof job. Alright, we're done. We're done. We're done. Get out of this office. We gotta move office. We gotta go. It's cursed. Uh, kit, conclusions. Conclusions. What's conclusions at the end of this podcast?

Do you believe in the dear woman? No. I really wanna. I really want to. But where's the evidence? I blame you for this. There's the evidence. There ain't none. What do you want me to say?

I've got full Oklahoma. Look, this sounds like a get out of jail free car, but I've talked about this before that many times on this show, we have talked about North American stories that may have come from indigenous legend. If you talk to people in these communities, which I haven't done firsthand,

I don't live there, I don't have contact with these people directly. We could do it in future. That would maybe be an interesting thing. to get on an expert in Native American lore. Yeah. Talk to them. That would be great.

But from what I've gathered from researching these kind of things before, from things like the Wendigo, Skin Walkers, the likes of this, it sounds like, is they say, you know, all are not really interpreting this correctly. You're taking a very modern Western European mindset to this, which is it is not like a being you can poke with your finger necessarily. Maybe it could appear like that if it wants to, but this is something that truly is paranormal, blends the worlds of the spirit world to the material world, to the dream world.

That might sound airy-fairy to you, but this is literally how they describe it. They go, it is both a real thing and a mythological creature. Yeah. So I think, I think if we talk to them about trying to get photos of this thing, they would be like,

they'd laugh. They were like, you're barking up the wrong tree. Yeah. So I don't know where that actually leads us because guess what? This paranormal life is based on a Western European mindset of facts and evidence and trying to say whether things are literally real or not. So I guess that means I don't believe in it. That's unfortunately what we're here to decide whether or not we think this is a real physical entity.

Can you cage the beast is why we should come down at the end of a podcast? Right. You know? Can I? Yeah. Can I mount its head on my wall, taxidermied up? King Kong style. Yeah, ship it to New York and make a million bucks.

Yeah, which I think would make me a bad man. Yep. Which I don't want to do it if it's real. I don't want to do it, but could you do that? Yeah. It's like, it's like if the thing is real, that means I can catch it and kill it. Put it this. But that means it's real and it would want to catch and kill me because I'm a bad man.

Yeah, because that's, if you're asking me what I believe, do I think I can catch it in a cage? No. do I think if I went to Oklahoma, met some indigenous elders and took peyote, would I meet it and believe in it and have a conversation with it? Yes. I know that would happen. Because kid's a nasty little man. No, I would be communing with it. You know, dear to man, man to deer. Sex dreams. No, no, no, no. And now we'd, so. Listen, I got to agree with Kit on this one. love this story. I actually think this story is incredibly interesting and the dear woman truly is an icon with the rich, rich history and folklore. I would encourage anyone who's interested in it to read more about its impact in the community and what it's become in the modern day in those societies. But can we cage it? Can we cage the beast? Is that the conclusion we come down? Not that we

should? This is why she hates, man. This is why she hates man. Can we cage the beast? Interesting person you've got there. Can we put her in a cage and lock the door? That would be great if we could. Great for our podcasts because we're men and we have a podcast. What's the podcast you say? Mostly two men talking about Cajun women. That's kind of it.

I think, yeah, if we met the dear woman, she wouldn't even have to ask me any questions. She'd be like, what do you do for a living? Well, we're two male podcasters. Come into the woods. Can't get into the woods. I'm going to fuck you up. I might leave you alive, but I just need to like.

Do you want to hear it first? Don't need to. Don't need to. It's actually pretty progressive. I'd like to think it's kind of welcoming for people of all communities. She's putting on gloves like Baxter. Not progressive enough. I'll tell you.

I know it's not progressive enough. She's assembling a sniper rifle. It's like 26 parts. American psycho style putting down plastic sheets. Get over here. It's a no this week. It's a double no, fortunately. But a great case.

I had a lot of fun with this one. Thank you for sending it in. Grace Morrison. If there's a case that you want us to investigate a creature an encounter, a ghost, a poltergeist, or maybe you have your own paranormal experience. Let us know. You can send us an email to This Paranormal Life podcast at gmail.com.

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