This Paranormal Life - Did the Nazis Hunt for the Holy Grail?

Episode Date: June 23, 2026

In the world of ancient artifacts, there's one item that’s valued higher than any other. The quest to find it has spanned several centuries, from Arthurian knights, to the Nazis of Germany, to modern day historians and treasure hunters. This lost relic is more than just a piece of history - it allegedly comes with supernatural properties that can be used for good, or in the wrong hands…. evil. It's time for Rory and Kit to go on a quest to find The Holy Grail. Tickets for London Live show!⁠ ⁠https://www.tickettailor.com/events/cheerfulearful/2084541 Become a commune member to get access to bonus episodes: ⁠https://thisparanormallife.com⁠ Follow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Join our Secret Society Facebook Community⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Buy Official TPL Merch!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Edited by Philip Shacklady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In the world of ancient artifacts, there's one item that's valued higher than any other. The quest to find it has spanned several centuries from Arthurian Knights to the Nazis of Germany, to modern-day historians and treasure hunters. People have searched every corner of the world trying to track it down. And why? Because this lost relic is more than just a piece of history. It allegedly comes with supernatural properties that can be used for good or in the wrong hands, evil. Is this why the Nazis had secret excavation teams digging into the past? How could something so precious vanish without a trace? How come when I got lost in the woods as a child, my parents never tried to find me?

All of these questions you can find the answer to on This Paranormal Life. Hello everybody and welcome back to This Paranormal Life, the comedy, paranormal podcast where every week we investigate a brand new paranormal tale and decide once and for all whether or not it truly is paranormal. My name is Rory. His name is Kit. And today, we're going on a little quest, a little adventure. We are investigating a paranormal object,

but our goal today isn't just to prove that it exists. We need to find out where the fuck it is. Oh. That's right. Oh, right. We have like a mission or something. We have a quest kit, a quest in front of us today. You were involved and so is everyone listening right now.

All right. It's just I told a friend I was going to meet them when we're done with this. So I already phoned them. Canceled. Really? Yep. I have a flight to catch tomorrow night at home as well. Canceled.

The Ryanair one, leaving at 1130, cancelled. I also logged into your Twitter and posted some pretty controversial stuff. Canceled. Okay. Flight canceled. Me canceled. Yeah. So you don't have any plans.

Actually, you don't have any plans and it seems like it'd be a good idea for you to leave the country for a little while. So you're ready for a quest, buddy. That's cool. It just does, you make it sound like people have been trying for thousands of years to do this. They have. They have. I'm wearing flip-flops right now underneath the desk because it's really hot. Are we going to be able to do it like today?

We are going to some pretty warm places in theory. This relic, whatever it is, people who have seen the title of this podcast will know already. But Kit doesn't know what we're hunting for. and where we're hunting for it. But it's going to be a great case. It's going to be a bit of regular history and paranormal history. And I hope you guys are excited to come along for the ride. But before we dive into that, a quick reminder that you should head on over to

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Our story today kicks off back in the early 1930s. A young German writer was hiking through the rain-soaked mountains of southern France, searching the ruins for a treasure that's existence could change history forever. That man's name was Otto Rann, and he believed he was close to his goal. A storm had rolled in, covering the ruined fortress of Montseger in sheets of cold rain. But that didn't stop Otto in his team. They pushed deeper into the ruins of the fortress, crawling through caves and tunnels with lanterns in hand. One of the men stopped at a mouth of a narrow passage.

Mr. Ran, we've searched this tunnel already. Then search it again. But sir, there's nothing here. Otto Rand turned to face his men. The church may have burned the fortress, but I believe the real treasure is still here, and we're not leaving until we find it. No questions asked. But what if we can't find it?

What do you not get about no questions, Hector? No questions mean shut the fuck up and keep digging, okay? All of you keep digging. It's the only ways that we're going to find. The Holy Grail! The Holy Grail! That did sound dramatic, but that's actually what all Nazis said when they came

in the 30s and 14. They're kind of bust and goes, So Holy Grail! It's a little known fact. Because it's the ultimate treasure and the ultimate pleasure. That's right. That's right. On today's episode, we were investigating one of the most sacred

and sought after ancient relics of all time. One, two, three. The Holy Grail! Now the fact that our story today started with a bunch of Germans digging through the ruins of a fortress destroyed centuries earlier, tells you a little bit about how crazy the search for the Grail has been over the years. But today, that search ends.

Because on this week's episode of the podcast, you and I are going to find the location of the real Holy Grail. It's time to unveil my research. Oh. Are you wearing shorts? Yeah, it's hot in here. Wow. That's the worst map of Europe I've ever seen in my life.

I drew it this morning and I'm still quite ill. It's missing so many countries. I obviously just drew the ones that are important, all right? You left out all of Eastern Europe. I don't need it. The Grail's not there. I made a map. Kit doesn't like it, but I think it does a good job of illustrating the locations that we're going to be visiting today. The Scottish are going to be just fuming.

These are our reputable grail sites, all of which we will be visiting, and we're going to decide where the Grail is located on Earth so that we can go there and find it for our... But before we get into our own search and talk more about Nazi searching ancient ruins, Indiana Jones style, let's start at the beginning. What is the Holy Grail? We can't find it if we don't know what it is or why it's so valuable. Well, the good news is if you've seen Indiana Jones, then you'll already know half the story. The Grail is allegedly the cup that Jesus drank from during the Last Supper. In some versions, it's also the cup that caught his blood at the crucifixion.

So not only does that make it a pretty cool collector's item, but the grail is so much more. It's also said to have special otherworldly characteristics, and these range from being able to grant eternal life, to ultimate power, to divine blessing. So as you can imagine, a lot of people over the years have tried to get a hold of this bad boy. I did post a sketched Instagram actually a year or two ago about the apostle that took the grail from the restaurant because it's like, what happened there? What's the idea? Did they really leave the restaurant? We're like, look what I took? You know, whenever your mate takes a pint glass from the pub? Is that what happened? Like in the chaos? Yeah. Of the reincarnation of the son of God

is being arrested by guards and you're like, oh, I can't believe that just happened. It's a cool cup, though. You know, like a bunch of stuff just got smashed. Like, you guys wouldn't be upset if I did take the cup. Like, I could put this on eBay and probably make a bit of money from it. So I'm just poking slight holes. But no, it probably was, maybe it was both. Maybe it did do both things.

Or at least it was one of them, either the blood or the trunk from it. Yeah. Jesus was in the vicinity. He was in the vicinity of the cup. And I mean, this thing, if it is true and its powers really do exist, kit, it could cure your hay fever in. in a second. Yeah, it's probably way more important things you could do with it than that.

Imagine waking up, hung over on a Sunday and sipping Gatorade from the Holy Grail, immediately, you're back at 100%. Yeah, doesn't it make you live forever? Some of the times it does. I don't know how if you can, do you get to choose? Is it like a big sip is live forever? Tiny sip is just you're good for the evening. I'm not entirely sure how it works.

That's not really covered in the research notes that I have. As you can tell, with powers like that, Many people have spent their years trying to track it down, knowing that if they discovered the Grail first, they could harness its power and bend the world to their will. Or do some really nice stuff with it. Kind of depends on who finds it first. So what is the power of the...

I never thought about this. What is the power of the Grail? What is it supposed to do? It's kind of ambiguous, and depending on different religious beliefs, it will have different blessings. I think the most generic one is that it heals the sick.

It heals the ill and the suffering. If you drink from the grail, you can share in the blessings of the Lord. And it heals suffering. Obviously, then the most dramatic version is, what did I say, ultimate power? Yeah. Which sounds like something that a Power Rangers villain

is trying to achieve. Because I don't think that Jesus would have signed off on that. Yeah, yeah. Like if Jesus had a cue, like in James Bond, just like, you're going to like this one, Jesus. A cup New this year A cup

They will give you Ultimate power Over all beings It's like I don't know It's not really on brand Is it? Can we not just make it heal the sick?

Come over here Jesus Check this one out Looks like a regular Loaf of Bread and Fish Doesn't it? But look at this You can split it up As many times as you want

Feed 5,000 men Oh my God That's nothing Looks like a regular Cup of Water Doesn't it Jesus? Why don't you swivel it round in your hand? My God, it's wine.

Instantaneously. And time for the piece de resistance. Looks like a normal pair of sandals, don't they? Put them on water, Jesus. Give it a go. Go for a walk, why don't you? You've got to make the sketch now. Yeah, I think you're right.

I don't think the ultimate power thing is real, because otherwise, Jesus would be in trouble when he goes back up to heaven to meet with the Lord. And God's like, well, we gave it our best shot. You know, we tried to send you down there, spread the good word. They didn't. They killed you. Yeah.

So it's fine. Whatever. Just give me the cup back. Jesus is like, which, which cup are you talking about? The cup of ultimate power. Then if someone drinks from it, they get ultimate power. And Jesus's like, oh, I think, are you sure you sent that down with me? Like you didn't give it to somebody else?

It's like you left the cup of ultimate power on earth, didn't you? God's talking to the angels like, do you know how confusing this is going to be? He just died. We can't send him back. That's ridiculous. It's only been three days. We can't send him back. Go get the cup.

He's got to get the cup. He's got to get the cup. Jesus went back to the Chili's where they had the last supper. Hey, I was here three days ago with like a bunch of dudes. We took up that big table and all sat on one side of it for some reason. Yes, that was us. Darding Thomas is like, Jesus, it's you. He's like, he's like looking over his shoulder.

He's like, yeah, man. No, no, no, no, it's crazy. It's crazy for real. Yeah, yeah, I'm here to stay this time too. Anyway, you can see that cup, huh? You can see that cup. Yeah, healing the sick is, I think, the main power. But I guess if you're already healthy, it can ultimate power maybe.

Who knows? Yeah. Believe it or not, there are several grails, as you can see from my map that have existed throughout history. And Kit, today, you, me, and the audience listening right now, we're going to decide if we believe any of them are real. So, let's begin starting off on my map right here in the city of Genoa, Italy. This is where we're going to find our first grail of the episode. A beautiful, luminous green vessel known as the Sacro Catino. But, fun fact, Italy is not where it originated from.

Let's dive back to the year 1101 during the first crusade. Enemy soldiers were storming the fortified walls of the city of Kassaria, a wealthy port located in the Holy Land. Crusaders flooded into the city, swords clashing, arrows flying through the sky. And when the dust had settled, the soldiers did the next logical thing. They pillaged the shit out of the place. Doors were kicked in, storehouses were raided. The Crusaders grabbed anything valuable enough to carry back across the sea. But in one chamber, they discovered something that none of them had seen before.

Francois, come and take a look at this. If it's a big golden bird, I've already stolen like four of those. Just get in here! The Crusaders slowly entered the room and there before them was a large, a large green vessel, unlike anything they had seen before. It caught the light in a way that made it seem like it was almost glowing, like it was some kind of holy grail. The vessel was brought back across the sea to Genoa in Italy, where the legend around it started to swell. For centuries, the Sacro Cantino became one of Genoa's greatest treasures, guarded like a sacred jewel.

Because for a long time, that's exactly what people believe. believed it was. It looked like it was carved from a single enormous emerald. When Genoa was conquered by the French under Napoleon, the Sacro Catino was stolen once again and moved to Paris in 1806. However, years later after Napoleon's fall, it was returned to Genoa in 1816, where it remains to this day. Now, Genoa was obviously thrilled. They believed they were getting back the Grail. And who knows, maybe they could find find a way to unlock its true power finally. But when they opened the box, they couldn't believe what had happened. During transport, the grail had been shattered into ten pieces. And when they carefully assembled it once again, there was a single piece missing.

And that is how it remains to this day. Wow. Kit, would you like to see some pictures of our first grail today? Imagine you were FedEx and you delivered it. They were like, you smashed the Holy Grail. What? The holy what? I mean, it said fragile on the box, but I assumed it was like a porcelain elephant or something.

Yeah, you're going to hell now, dude. You're going to hell. For real. Phil, can we get our first grail, please? Here it is, the sacro catino. It's a box. Yeah, I don't know if, well, sorry, so this is a strange photo. This is looking top down.

If you scroll once more, Phil, you'll be able to see. This is... Don't show you the first one. Well, I'm trying to show you the missing piece. It's a bowl. It is. It's a vessel. It's like a...

Your quirky aunt keeps her car keys in this. Yeah, I don't know if the light just ain't hitting it right in this one. But I'm not entirely wild. I mean, I get, listen, modern manufacturing and engineering means that an item like this is maybe no longer as impressive. Exactly. It would have been centuries ago. It's very... No, don't get me wrong.

It's quite pretty. So for anyone not watching on this... paranormal life.com or Spotify or YouTube. This looks like imagine an umbrella without the pole. Yeah, that's a good way to describe it. And that's kind of exactly what it looks like, except the umbrella's made of glass or something. Yeah, some green kind.

I mean, it's obviously not carved out of one enormous emerald. I'm not entirely sure what the materials are to make it up. But yeah, it's pretty insane looking. I mean, in a room full of treasures, you could see why that one would stand out. Got it. And as I said, and as I showed you Kit in these pictures, you can see the missing piece. It's quite substantial.

Yeah, I mean, 90% of it's there, though. I mean, like, it's in good condition. I would say extremely good condition for being over 2,000 years old, almost suspiciously good condition as to where we might start wondering how old it actually is. But that is for an art historian to figure out. Yeah, that's going to be a big part of today's journey. journey is a lot of vessels have claimed to be the Grail, and that's when you need to get art historians involved, archaeologists, researchers, to kind of actually consider whether or not it could be the proper vessel. Unfortunately, with this first grail, the problem is it's missing a piece. And if one way that we want to find out whether or not it actually has any magical, supernatural, paranormal, religious blessings or capabilities, is it possible? It's no longer.

longer able to gift those powers until the missing piece is returned? Seems like a bit of a shit technicality though, doesn't it? I mean, I don't know. It's like, oh, so it can like solve world hunger unless it's cracked and then it's just a a bowl. Yeah. Well, guess what? You're pretty good until you lose your fingers. And that might feel like a small thing, but you're essentially, you become, it becomes very difficult.

Yeah, the ball's like, yeah, I'm still a bowl, guys. I still do stuff. I just can't do the magic. Yeah. It's like being like, it's weird that my car doesn't drive anymore. It only lost the wheels. It's like, okay, well, that's,

it's a big part of how the thing works. Okay, but if the motherfucker can't hold liquid, I don't think it works. It can't hold liquid. It also can hold liquid. You'd have to eat cereal weird out of this thing, man. Look, it's just got a, it's got a hole in it that's not at the very base.

It's not at the very top. It's just kind of in the middle. You could have a shallow, sip of wine out of that if you really wanted. Yeah. It's just one grail of many that we're going to do today. I want Kit to come to his own conclusions about each one. This is one of my favorites.

I love the origin story. I think it looks very cool. Isn't it funny how, like, you know, because this ends up in Genoa. Isn't it funny how much like Italy has made Christianity its thing? Yeah. Because Christianity is everywhere. But, yeah, Italy was like, no, we don't play, bro. We don't play.

When it comes to Christianity. Just like, try and out, Christianity. It's a Roman Catholic church. Roman Empire, bitch. Okay? Yeah.

It's almost like, you know, so it kind of makes sense that they might get the grail in some sense. It's like if like your granddad dies and he had an old car. And it's like technically, you know, he maybe left the car to like one of his sons or daughters or something.

But then it's like you have one like weird cousin who's just been obsessed with the car since he was like two years old. draw in the car for 15 years. And then everyone in the family's just like, just give me the car. It's fine. It's not really worth anything.

Just get me. Yes. Okay, I have the grail. I have the grail then. Yes, I knew I was the best. I got the f***lel, bro. Roman Catholic Church. Yes.

Yes. And we're going to treasure this forever. Open the box. It's in 25 pieces. F***. Yeah. I thought the grail meant it was indestructible. Yeah, look.

You're right, Kit. And as you can tell. from the map today, there's a reason why three of our possible grails are happening in a very similar geolocation. Yeah, well, hey, it just comes down to at the end of the day, who were the most powerful centers of political power and military power in the last 2,000 years, and where's Christian? Those are going to be the places they're going to fight over artifacts such as that. It's true. So that is grail number one. Could it be the actual ancient relic that we are searching for. Historians say

no. Great. Thanks for wasting my time. It's most likely not the grail. That didn't even look like a cup. Listen. It looks like you keep pupperi in it. But we don't know how the the grail works. We don't understand. Look. Bro, drank wine out of it.

We know how it works. Maybe he was a thirsty boy. It wasn't gold. It wasn't made of jewels. It was a cup. We know how it works. So don't, don't next show me like a statue of a cat. And so, well, actually, actually, if you read the Bible, it says that no, it was a cut.

Well, we're not going to get into that. But in a lot of Arthurian legends, the Grail becomes more of an ambiguous thing that only reveals itself to those who are deserving. It can be a symbol. It can be a vision in the sky. Well, that was great for Arthur to say that, because Arthur wasn't real. Also, we didn't find shit. We covered it on the podcast.

Arthur is believed by many historians to be a legend or at least an amalgamation of several different early British kings. There might not have actually been a King Arthur at all. Also, if I couldn't find a very specific thing, I would also tell people that it's actually a metaphor. It's vibes. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

The Grail is actually community, guys. It's actually talking to your neighbors, going to the library. Shut up! It's a cut. The real treasure, the real grail, was the friends we made along the way in the journey for the Grail. That's one of the knights of the crusades. One of the other knights just stabs him.

He's lost it. He's lost it. Unlike King Arthur and his knights, we must push on to the next grail. Next up is the Holy Chalice of Valencia. And this is probably our most serious contender. The Holy Chalice of Valencia is kept in the Valencia Cathedral and is widely believed by historians and religious scholars to be the authentic Holy Grail used by J-Dog at the Last Supper.

Really? Well, wait, people agree on this? Yes. Of all the grails in existence that have been discovered, a lot of the historians and researchers say, if it's anyone, it's this one. And let me tell you, we have some photos of this and it is giving grail. Okay. Phil, let's bring up grail number two. Okay, can you describe to the listeners what we are seeing in front of us? Yeah.

Well, it's a cup, so you've got to be happier than the last one. I'm a lot happier. I'm a lot happier. It's quite beautiful. Yeah. As I say, it's actually a little too good condition, but we have to remember that something like this, it would be very common for an artifact such as this to have been restored, refurbished, you know, two-year C-EX warranty, you know, on this bitch. They're putting it back together. They're maybe resetting it in a different setting. So this, for example, we have essentially a cup at the top. Then we have a large kind of gold or brass. metal fixture which it's set into and then it has again some kind of either gem or wooden base at the bottom. So yeah, looking at it a few different ways, I think that the cup is set in at the top and then it's kind of like a gold handle on the side. It's both humble and glorious, yes, at the same time.

In regards to its condition, which is in really great condition, I think this is one of the reasons why people are like, this is a good contender for the Grail. this particular cup, the lineage, can be traced back pretty easily. Like there's documents about like a lot of details on how it was passed down from where and from who. And obviously it was passed down by a lot of people who very early on believed that this was the grail. Which is why it's in such great condition. It wasn't like discovered in ruins or anything like that or like pillaged from a castle. This is one that, particularly because of its size, material and history, a lot of actual archaeologists and researchers and religious figures are like, we think this is it. We think this is the one from like the materials it's made out of the style, where it was found, how it was passed down.

They're like, this is the grail. And I mean, a lot of people, a lot of people believe this is the one. You can actually go visit the cathedral in Valencia where it's being held and see it for your sense. But if you do that, I must warn you, it does say online that the artifact has never been accredited with supernatural powers. So before you start punching through the glass, you know, not even caring about how shredded your hand is getting because you're going to have a sip from that sweet grail that heals everything. Bear in mind. The guy who said, who gave the statement, it has no supernatural powers. It looks like Fabio.

He's been sipping on that cup for years. he's got, it's like, when were you born again, dude? He's like, um, 1200, I mean, 1988, um, he's got eight pack abs, hair down to his ass. He floated into the room to say that. He's got no pupils in his eyes. I hate to break it to you guys. It doesn't do anything.

Yeah. I wish it did. I wish it did more than anybody. Yeah, and it's like, listen, if it actually granted you powers, I'd say you can all come up and sip it. Okay, can we come up and sip it? Silence! He like shoots a lightning bulb from his hands, just kills someone instantly.

Listen, I don't know if anyone has taken this bad boy for a test drive. I have to assume somebody sipped from that thing. Even if I was like, if I was the caretaker, I'd pull some goodwill hunting when everyone goes. You slip in a bottle of Avion and just like put the tiniest drop in it and sip on it. Brother, I'm eating lucky charms from that thing. I'm going to go to town. on that bowl, just to see, just to see what happens. Worst case, I get fired from my job, I guess. Best case, ultimate power, I think. So I'm going to give it a shot. As I said, one of our strongest

contenders today, Kit, what do you think about Grail number two? I'm pretty impressed. I think it's based on the limited amount of information that Rory's gave me and do I trust his information? No. But based on what he has told me, this sounds pretty interesting. This is of a lot of interest to me because I'm about to go to Valencia. Oh my God. Yeah, you are. I forgot about this. Like on just a couple of days. Are you close to the city?

Are you close to the Grail? Well, I'm going to Alicante, which is close enough to my mate's house. So I'm like, do I just, when we get to the airport, they're like, all right, yeah, the car's parked out the front. And I'm like, you guys head on without me. To my wife and child, I'm going to get a higher car real quick. I'll be back in 45 minutes. And I drive to Valencia. You're like, where are you going?

What do you need to see in the city? You bought an Indiana Jones hat at the Departures Lounge before they took off? The Grail. Yeah. And then all of a sudden you can start doing cool stuff like having a like mole skin notebook filled with weird drawings and things. All of a sudden your trip becomes way more romantic, you know? They open up the book. I've been drawing.

I was drawing right to you for Bougermont. Just doing the get the tail exactly right. You're just doodling big pairs of tits. The grail. This, I will be genuinely disappointed if you don't go see the grail. How many times in your life can you say that you traveled across the world to hunt for the holy grail? There's no way I'm going to the grill. I just don't think it can happen.

But because I think it will just be too far away. But, um, but hey, if there's a day trip possibility. Okay. Should we consult? How much do your flights cost? Can I get, could I do it in a day? Oh, yeah, you could do it in a day. Easy peasy.

And I can expense the whole thing. We actually have a friend from back home and lives in Palencia as well. He's 2,000 years old. His name, Sir Galahad. Yeah, yeah. It is a two-hour drive away from where you're getting in. Okay, that's pretty bad. I mean, a two-hour drive.

Could be worse. To see one of the most precious ancient. relics in human history? Well, I don't know yet because you clearly didn't think this is it, because you have more grails. On to the next grail! So I don't know, I want to see the other grails before I start spending higher car fees on going up to a different city. Well, let me tell you, kid, our next grail is a lot closer to home than Valencia. Visit BetMGM Casino and check out the newest exclusive. The Price is Right Fortune Pick. BetMGM and Game Sense remind you to play responsibly, 19 plus to wager.

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A lot of people might not know this, but there is quite a reputable. holy grail in Wales. What rhymes? Now, the exact origin of this cup is a mystery, but according to the legends, monks brought it to Wales from Glastonbury and hid it at Satra Florida Abbey, before then passing it on to a wealthy family for protection known as the Powell's. As you'll see, this grail might not be the fanciest. It's actually a simple drinking bowl crafted from Elmwood, but while it might not be the most

visually impressive, it is one of the few grails that has had its powers tested. Throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, the cup gained widespread fame for curing illness. The family would loan it to the sick in exchange for a valuable deposit such as a gold watch to ensure that it would safely be returned. The sick individual would drink from the cup and allegedly be healed. Wow. Are you ready to see it? I am.

Phil, show us the grill. Where's the rest of it? It's missing quite a lot. Someone didn't get their deposit back. What happened? Someone took most of the grail. Yeah, this is... This is really...

Very much left to the grill. There's a quarter of a cup left made of wood. You would have to just... Yeah, you're getting like a tablespoon of water in that thing. You know the way sometimes people would like... drink, pour shots down an ice sculpture. And then kind of, they sit at the bottom like, you'd have to do that with it, like hold it.

And then kind of like, almost like an oyster shell for some reason. Just pour a drink into that. Yeah. I don't remember exactly why it's like this. I mean, it's also just made a wood. So I think it's been like chipped and broken away at over the years. How long does wood last? Not that long.

I mean, if it's treated right, it should last a really long time. I think there, I think I read something when I was researching this case also about, I hope I'm not making this up. When people were writing about the sick being treated by this drinking vessel, that at times people were so ill and in so much pain, they would nibble the grail. I don't think I made that up. You've been nibbling. It's like a big bite mark at the side.

What are we healing a f***er rabbit? This is crazy. They give it to a dumb beaver. please my woodpecker is sick yeah this is but I mean hey is that not great that this is one of the grails that we've seen tested

and has stories of it healing I mean if the grail was real this is exactly what Jesus probably would have wanted to have happened which is not to have it behind bulletproof glass in a cathedral that costs 20 quid to get into in Rome

where they're like I get the fuck a doubt Don't touch the holy grail. Don't touch the holy grail. Ra! Ratata ta! Can I see the grail? I am poor and sick.

Get the f*** away from me! I don't want to even look at you. You're making me sick. I'm pretty sure Jesus was kind of into us. You're a far to a smelly to come in the grail. You're scaring away all the rich Americans. Get the hell away from it. You're a yak.

Like throwing holy water at you, stinky, stinky. It's like, is there anything that's what he would have wanted? Come forth, children, and see the precious grail that blesses the people with healing all across the land. 25 euro. 25 euro, though, please, to see the grail. But this is it, Roy, like you say, there's a beautiful poetry to the idea that while the other countries of power and note in this time, you know, medieval era are fighting over the gold and silver chalices that are borderline red herrings designed to make people think it's the grail when all the while the grail is, you know, like Yoda hiding in

the Daegobah system. Yeah. The grail made of wood hiding out in rural whales. A hundred percent. I mean, this is the whole conclusion at the end of Indiana Jones in the last crusade is when they have to choose one of the many grails and find out which one is. Jesus is. The truth is, Jesus was a carpenter. He was a humble guy. He was a man of the people. He wouldn't have had a golden jewel-encrusted cup to drink from. Probably would have been

something like this, made of wood, simple, humble, that just possessed divine power. Now, this cup was included in a documentary that was produced called The Search for the Holy Grail, which was broadcast on Channel 5. In the program, they did examine the grail. and the materials, and they concluded that the wood that the cup is made from dates from at least 1400 years after the crucifixion. You gotta stop telling me something's the grail and then immediately saying it's not. It's not the grail and I just said wood don't last that long and you said I think it does. I think wood lasts a really long time and then you're like actually wood only last a couple hundred years. That's not well, that's not true but

It's true. Wood doesn't last that long. Listen, we have to we have to get a little, don't Google how long as wood last. Because you're going to get an advert for boner pills. If your wood lasts longer than two days. Please help my wood.

I can't hold my wood. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe wood can last a long time actually. Yeah, it can last a very, very long time. It depends how long. It depends how it's been stored. Yeah, that's what I said. And weird, but weirdly,

yeah, but weirdly, if it's, they were weirdly saying like if it's like soaking at last ages. What? A cup with water in it? It's going to last a long time. Because they're like weirdly if it's in like a bog or something.

It feels like it should be the other way around. It feels like the bug should be eating it in a bog. If it's been preserved in amber from a tree like the bug from Jurassic Park. Yeah, listen, if we want to consider that this is the grail, we'd have to get a little more abstract with it. where the Grail is somehow a holy vessel that has existed through it. He doesn't like the one in Wales.

You can't be telling me that the Grail, Jesus never even had to drink it actually. It could be just, you could buy it in Tesco's today. We have more grails. Do not worry, Kit. Actually, we have two more grails. We have two more grails on our map today. I forgot where we were. We have two more grails.

And to hunt for our next grails, we need to go back to where this whole journey began, with Otto Rann and his excavation team right here in southern France. Otto believed that he knew the location of the real grail, which is worrying because, based off of his accent and energy, he definitely seems like more of a bend the world to his will type guy, rather than a heal-the-sick kind of guy.

Otto believed the grail was connected to the Qatar's. The Qatar's were a medieval religious movement that flourished in parts of southern France. And the legend said that they possessed some kind of secret treasure. Some said it was gold. Some said it was sacred knowledge, boring. And some said it was the Holy Grail. Now to the Catholic Church, these guys were heretics. Their beliefs were considered dangerous.

So in the 13th century, the church launched a crusade against them, wiping them off the map. And the last great Qatar stronghold was Montseger right here in southern France. Wow. This is where Otto Rann was searching in the rubble. So, in 1931, Otto Rann traveled to the Pyrenees region of southern France. He explored the area around Montsiger. He climbed through caves. He listened to local traditions.

He even worked with a French mystic named Antoine Gadal. which does feel like the last step once all the logical things have gone wrong you know if you track the history books dug through the ruins and then you're like just asking a guy

all right yeah get the wizard yeah get the wizard involved we've tried everything I hate this guy already oh you've come to the wizard I see first you must answer my riddles three I'm off

yeah you know that the wizard pitch them like a whole retrieval package on day one and they were like, no, obviously not. And then they had to go back to his tent in the middle of the forest and he's like, well, well, well, look who needs the wizard? It's like, yeah, fine, okay. Right, yeah, we need the wizard.

Gare for a pickled fish. You disgust me. Now tell me where the f***ing grail is. Like, get out here. I can show you the grail, but first we must look inside the magic ball. Otto just shoots him in the knee. I'm not going to ask again, where's the fucking rail? You just know there's a scene in the back.

Right there, it's in the cave. I found it yesterday. It's right there. Go get it, please. And please let me drink from it. Heal my knee. Heal it, sir. Don't you have like healing potions?

They do nothing. They do nothing. It's all a charade. Now, spoiler alert, as you can tell, Otto Rann didn't find what he was looking for. But in 1934, he did publish his book, Crusade Against the Grail, which landed in the lap of a few other ambitious Germans around the 1930s. There's a lot of bad ways for your book to become popular, but honestly, this might be the worst way. The book caught the attention of Henrik Himmler, one of the most powerful figures in Nazi Germany. Himmler was fascinated by ancient history and occultism, which is one of the reasons why he founded an organization known as the Annenerba, a real SS organization created in 1935 that investigated historical artifacts and did go on expeditions.

Which, fun fact, this is where a lot of the exaggerated lore from the Indiana Jones movies comes in. You know, in those early movies, basically all of them, Indy is trying to beat the Nazis to a real religious artifact that they believe will grant them magic powers. He does it when they're looking for the Ark of the Covenant. And in the last one, the Holy Grail, in the most recent one, it starts off with them fighting for control over the spear of destiny, which actually is very related to this case because this is another ancient religious relic that people believe was the spear that they poked Jesus with when he was on the cross.

and made them bleed. A lot of people believe that if you control that spear, you can fulfill your ultimate destiny, which is why there's lots of like rumors and legends around the Nazis being obsessed with it during World War II. Unfortunately, let's be honest, we have no real proof that the Nazis really went grail hunting. And if we did, it doesn't seem like they found it.

So that does mean that Otto's grail could still be hidden in the ruined fortresses of Southern France. France. It is a possibility. Unfortunately, we do not have any photos that we can show Kit today because that grail is still unfound. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It's a tough one, but it's a contender. It really is. But don't worry, there is one more that I think you guys and Kit are really going to love today. And you could say that this one was linked to the Nazi search for the artifact. In a way, it was probably the closest they ever got. In 2024, archaeologist working right here at Petra in Jordan

discovered a ceramic drinking vessel in a 2000-year-old tomb. Where did they find it? Right by the legendary location known as Al-Kaznay, hopefully I'm pronouncing that right? Which most people will know as the famous site you as the exterior for the Grail Temple in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Yeah. That's kind of weird.

Yeah. Yeah. Did you see this when it happened? Did you see the news reports? Uh, this was a really exciting time to be online because as you can imagine, a lot of outlets were reporting they found a cup at the site of the grail. Yes. From Indiana Jones.

Yeah. Although, does Petra have any connection to the real story of Jebus? I don't believe. I mean, the grail stuff gets really messy because basically from the point it went missing, people theorize it went in any direction in any way possible. Because there's also that theory that Jesus had a gap here. Do you remember that? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's like people in Japan and stuff who are like, no, Jesus came to Japan on his gap here. People think he came to England. And like, and, you know, all over Europe and everything. Yeah. There's a lot of legends out there that's not really covered in the Bible. Now, when researchers did examine the cup that they discovered, luckily it wasn't just a prop

left over from filming the movies. Sure. It really was an ancient cup and a valuable relic, but they were pretty easily able to figure out that this wasn't the grail based on the style, materials, etc. So unfortunately, even though that is a fun one to bring up today, I think we can pretty much erase that one off the board. Let's eliminate... Erase it like Eastern Europe.

Let's eliminate that from... our contenders today. Right. Now, it's important to say there are more grails out there. In fact, every 10 to 20 years, someone claims they've just discovered the real one. But these four today, I believe, are four of our strongest contenders. And Kit, just like the end of Indiana Jones in the last crusade, it's time for you to choose your cup. Now, if you'll just give me one second, I need to do a couple.

Quick costume change. Okay. Rory is now a medieval knight. He's changed. He's changed into armor, chain mail. Traveler, it is time for you to choose your grail. And choose wisely. For as the true grail will bring you life,

the false grail will take it from you. Jesus Christ. What is your name, traveler? Kit. Kit, quite skinny to be a knight. Are you really the bravest of them all? You look a little bit like a coward. I didn't even sign up for this.

I didn't even sign up for this. What do you bench? You're a medieval knight and you bench? I can bench lots. I have ultimate power. Oh, so you know which one is it? Well, of course I do. Doesn't make you a very good Christian,

does it if you're threatening me with death from picking the wrong cup? Just if you're worthy of the grail, you're going to pick the right ones. You better be careful. You know what? You know what? dude, what's your name, by the way?

Theodore. Of course. I'm good. It doesn't really sound like the odds are stacked in my favour, I'll be honest. No, I'm sorry, pick a group. I like my life, I'm good. I don't need to die or whatever it is you're saying

if I pick the wrong one. No, but if you pick the right one, and the good shit happens. You can bring Phil in if you want, you know, if you want, The good shit happens. There's lots of good stuff if you picked the right one. Come on. Your vibe sucks and you pick the right one.

So I like, do I, what did you even get from? We're picking the right one? Yeah. It's your inner life. I get to hang out here and protect the grail. Yeah. Honestly, if you picked the right one... I have to protect the grail.

You have to protect the grail and I get to get the fuck out of here. I was actually kind of rooting for the Nazi guy. He was like this one. I was like, are you sure? Are you sure that a carpenter would drink from the fucking jewel cup, idiot? I really wanted out of this gig. I've been here for like 300 years. There's so much stuff in the outside world I want to try.

I've been hearing about Dunkin' Donuts. All right, let's get over with, for God's sake. What is it? Choose a grail from today's investigation. Would you like to pick? I threw away all of my notes, so I can't tell you all their names. Well, there was wooden scrap. Let's start in Wales.

Yeah, wooden scrap. Wooden bowl. Wooden grail. Which is not old enough. As in, wouldn't you like ultimate power? Didn't you say that one? wasn't old enough. Sure. The wood was only 600 years old, not

2000 plus. That was a test. I see you know your grails. Who is your teacher? Who's taught you about this subject? He must be your wise man, no, with a large penis. I want this over with. There's nothing in southern France.

I don't know why we're even talking about that. I don't think this bit is working. But it's too late to back down now. Genoa I'm trying to remember what I didn't even look like Oh that was the

No that was the first one That was the first one Thank you for the pictures Not a chance Not a f*** chance That's the grail right Next one Valencia Which was that one

But again did you say that one Wasn't old enough No this is the one That historians and researchers And archaeologists all believe Is probably the real grail If the real grail does exist It's a bit, right, it's a big caveat at the end there.

It's a bit, well, this is a bit extravagant for Jesus. I would say, maybe somebody put it on his desk and he was like, okay, well, I probably would have gone something for something more humble, but sure, this is pretty cool. I think if this is my episode of Antiques Road Show, I would say, I think this has been, it is a nice original item. It's been reset into some opulent gold surroundings here at some point along the line, but I think the original cup might be the original cup.

So I think, there's nothing else to go on. think this is it. This has to be the one. Well, what we have left is the only one left is the grail without a photo, the grail that still could be in southern France in the ruins of the old fortresses. Pilled in the crusade.

Which no one has any pissing idea if that's real or not? No one does. The only guy that thought it was real, never found it, and became a Nazi. I heard there was one in Ethiopia. Did that come up? Oh, I don't know. Because Ethiopia Ethiopia is a very Christian place

as well. And I believe that there's like, there's somewhere in the continent of Africa. I remember reading about that. There's a, there's a church

where they're kind of like a bit mystical. And they're like, we've got a room. We got a room. And not promising anything, but we've got a crazy artifact in the room.

And everyone's like, can we see the room? And they're like, absolutely not. Well, it's hard to believe it. Yeah, I agree. It's hard to believe that. There are lots of other grails

out there. As I said, today we're just covering some of the biggest that deserve most of our time. But I think someone found the grail in like a f*** lake in Somerset like two years ago.

People find grails all the time. Also, the meaning of grail has drastically changed. Now to the Gen Z generation, Grail refers to their ultimate like Holy Grail item of clothing. So to most Gen Z, that is like, you know, some really ugly like Travis Scott Nike dunks.

I did not know this. So if you head over, unfortunately, if you head to grailed.com, it is just a streetwear reselling clothes website. Ah, streetwear, robes, sandals? That's right. I'm still in character. That's right. Yes, of course.

This bit is going on far too long. So we have to, I'm just saying we need to raise some money in the paranormal world. Buy grail.com. Well, grail.com might be actually available. What is dot com? I am old. You are forgetting these things. Let's get this over with.

Let's pick a grail. I did. I did pick the grail. I missed through that part. Jesus Christ, the Spanish one. The Spanish one, the one that the experts, go figure. The one that the experts say, yeah, that's the only one that could possibly be the grail. Yeah, that's the one I pick. You have chosen wisely.

Great. Awesome. Awesome. I'd love to know how many people haven't seen the movie. I'm just... And they're just like, Rory. If you haven't seen the movie, this is the weirdest thing we've ever done on the pocket. I've got to take this hood off, man.

I'm boiling in this thing. We've chosen very wisely because that means you take my job and I get to leave now. God damn it. Kit drank from the cup. He drank from the grail that most researchers, historians and archaeologists and religious figures believe if there is a grail, this is it. as I said, this is where we have a problem with our conclusion, because if we do believe that this is the Grail, they have gone on record to say that there is no known paranormal, supernatural, or religious blessings or abilities that come with it. Which is tough. That is tough to hear because we're in a weird situation where we've basically concluded, could the Grail be a real thing? The Holy Grail, the people have searched for for centuries? It seems like it could be if it does exist. Is it paranormal?

Seemingly no. The people who are even in possession of it, who are the religious figures that you'd think would be the ones kind of promoting these legends and stories, they themselves have gone on record to say that it doesn't have any, possess any supernatural abilities. Guys, I hate to hit everyone with a truth nuke right now. But when Jesus talked about eternal life,

he didn't mean living to the year 100,0005. He meant spiritual eternal life. Drink from the cup of my blood. Right. For you there is da-da-da-da-da-da. Eat of my flesh, you a jib-a-jib-jia. That's why the Catholic Church obviously doesn't care that much about finding the original grail. Because guess what?

If you've been to a Catholic church, you know that every Sunday they drink from the cup. you know, the Eucharist and they eat the little wafer that represents the flesh of God. If you are a Catholic, you actually literally believe in transubstantiation that when the mass takes place, it literally, literally turns the bread into the flesh of God, the flesh of Jesus Christ and the eternal life that we receive, guys. I know it's boring and disappointing, but the eternal life is in the afterlife, guys, not this life. The treasure really was the friends we made along the way. Yes. It's not a giant golden chalice that if you drink from it, you'll live long enough to see the robot wars in 2,000 years in the future.

I mean, maybe the greatest proof of it not being paranormal of all is that the 12 apostles aren't still alive. Yeah. Did they drink from it? Did they drink from it? Yeah. I mean, maybe they are and they're just all in hiding, guarding the grail. I bet one of them is Satoshi Nakamoto, creator of Bitcoin. If I was an everlasting life apostle, I would create Bitcoin or some shit.

I'd be like, Banksy, who's that? Could be one of them. It would be really funny if you got to heaven and you were able to talk to God and you were like, hey, we figured it out, by the way, the whole Grail thing. Like, that was clever that, you know, it was actually like just a metaphor for worshipping you and the eternal life was, you know, salvation in here, in heaven. And he's like, no, it wasn't. It was like a magic cup.

I threw it down there. I buried it in the garden. I buried in my garden. You guys didn't find it. It was in southern France. Oh, that was the one we didn't go to. It was really there? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That thing will make you fly? You can teleport. He's like, why would I use a metaphor? I said eternal life. What does that mean to you, mother? You, you humans don't understand shit. He's getting so frustrated. Um, yeah, listen, if this is the, the grail,

which is the Grail the Kit has chosen to be the real one today on the podcast. Allegedly it has no supernatural paranormal abilities, which does make it a no today from me. It's not paranormal. It's just a very cool slice of real history. It is. I think it's really interesting.

And it's not the first time on this podcast we've covered something like this before. This kind of corner of history and legend that's intertwined with the paranormal. We've done investigations into alchemy. We've done investigations into alchemy. We've done investigations into the search for the fountain of youth. These kind of legendary artifacts are places like Atlantis or El Dorado or Akador.

Lots of incredible places of the world. I always get a joy in covering these. I've actually wanted to cover the Holy Grail for a long time. But it's quite a hard topic to turn into an episode of the podcast because it's a lot of research into history and legends and all this sort. And you had to even buy an Amazon basics whiteboard. I did and I had to draw this frankly incredible map of the Grail locations. I put some effort into this one guys. I really did and I hope you appreciated it.

I hope you learned a little bit more about the legend of the Holy Grail. It is fascinating. It extends to even further beyond what we've looked at today. I mean, there's so much of it in the legends of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table. That was their quest was for the Grail. So check it out. There's loads of cool literature out there that you can read. Learn more about the grail. But we've made our decision today.

The grail we have selected was a double no. Even though, Kit, I think you made a great choice. Thanks. It didn't feel like there was that many other good options. Cool. I don't know what to say to that. That's not my fault. Those are the best ones that I really had in front of me. Guys, thank you so much for listening to this week's episode of This Paranormal Life. I had a blast putting this one together, and I hope you did too. Let us show in the comments which grail you would have selected.

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