This Paranormal Life - FLASHBACK: The Hat Man and the Shadow People

Episode Date: June 26, 2024

This is a FLASHBACK to episode #174, When we originally investigated the bizarre world of sleep paralysis! What happens when our body slips between the dream world and the real world? Who are the shadow people? And how is everyone across the world seeing the same man watching them?Follow us on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTubeJoin our Secret Society Facebook CommunitySupport us on Patreon.com/ThisParanormalLife to get access to weekly bonus episodes!Buy Official TPL Merch! - thisparanormallife.com/storeIntro music by www.purple-planet.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello Commune Rory here from This Paranormal Life with another flashback episode because if you haven't listened yet, this week's episode was all about sleep paralysis and the German cryptid known as the Owl. This wasn't the first time we talked about sleep paralysis. We actually did a whole episode on it back in 2020 that not only covered shadow people, but a strange figure called the Tall Hat Man. It was a spooky classic that we thought would go great hand-in-hand with this week's episode. So we hope you enjoy and of course we'll see you next week for a brand new spooky tale. Where do ducks go at night? What happens if you stab a gun?

All of these questions you can find the answer to on This Paranormal Life! Hey! Welcome everyone! Welcome to This Paranormal Life, the comedy paranormal podcast where every week we investigate a brand new paranormal tale and come to the conclusion as professional paranormal investigators as to whether or not it is in fact true or false. My name is Roy Powers, I'm gonna be your host for this week and this guy across from me is Kit Grier, my paranormal partner in crime. Very glad to be here.

Interesting question right off the top. Do you think the ducks, do you think they're like up to something or something? I don't know, I've just never seen a duck at nighttime. So yeah. There's a lot of animals I haven't seen at nighttime. I mean, like, I think any animal suspiciously hanging out in a street corner at nighttime, there was like, you were walking home and there was like six dogs, obviously up to something. Yeah. That's pretty suspicious. Yeah. The only thing you got to worry about ducks because look, those little mother can walk, swim and fly. They've mastered all three modes of transport.

They're like the military land sea air they got all bases covered. The next thing is mastering nuclear arms. Yeah. So it's it's just something to keep an eye on. I don't know where they go at night. I think we should all be aware of that. Is it North Korea? That's all I'm saying. No it's not. Well Kit I'd like to welcome you and everyone listening to this episode of this paranormal life to what could possibly be one of our most interesting and terrifying investigations yet. More terrifying than the haunted Toys R Us store? Way more haunted. Double it.

Triple it. More haunted than the or more terrifying than the money pit. Is there anything scarier than sinking money into a bottomless hole? This story will make you seek refuge in the money pit. This is a lot of talk, so I'm interested to see where this goes. This is a case that not only exists in the world of the paranormal, but possibly resides in the subconscious of every human on Earth. We're talking about ducks, my friend. Where do they go? This is the first time in this podcast's history we're actually going to answer a question from the beginning.

From the very start. Why is no one asking this? Where the f*** do they go? Today we're not only going to be talking about sleep paralysis, but also shadow people. And one entity who stands out above all the rest. Now I will say, I do know that we have some listeners who have experienced sleep paralysis before and this is no joke. This is a comedy podcast and it will be lighthearted. There'll be some, you know, jokes thrown in there. Some ha-has. But there will be some creepy storytelling. So if it's something that could bother you, I would say either proceed with caution or maybe skip this one out. Holy, you're

giving people the disclaimer? This is the first time we've ever put a disclaimer. Usually we tell them to go f*** themselves. This time we are having to protect our audience for just how friggin spooky this might be. Holy damn. Look, there's no time to dilly-dally, let's just get into the story. Sean Green lived in Beaufort, South Carolina and was no stranger to sleep paralysis, having experienced it many times in his life. But it wasn't the paralysis that he struggled with. It was what he saw as he lay there, unable to move. One night, Sean awoke in his bed, slowly opening his eyes to see the dark room around him. He tried to move his body, but it wouldn't respond.

Unable to move, Sean flutters his eyes, glancing around the room. It's dark, but he feels like someone is watching him. In the far corner of the room, he can make out a figure, small and black, crouch down. Unable to speak or move, Sean watched in fear as it slowly begins to rise. Then, without warning, the figure shrieked and ran at him, grabbing him by the neck. Sean tried to scream, but nothing happens. He went on to say, horror films don't do anything for me anymore, because what I've seen is even more terrifying.

The Babadook is a puppy dog to me, after what I have seen. Kit, this is the world we're going to be investigating today. Not only sleep paralysis, but the world of the shadow people. Wow, that's what we're talking about here. That's cause I haven't, I don't think we've talked at length about the shadow people before.

I've heard the name, but that's what we're literally talking about. Some kind of person that is completely shrouded in black darkness and mystery, but is obviously out to mess people up in their sleep. Now what's possibly even the most terrifying thing about this whole experience is that it is one of hundreds of thousands. In fact, even on the official NHS website, some of the symptoms of sleep paralysis listed are, quote, No! some of the symptoms of sleep paralysis listed are, quote, no, feeling like someone is in your room

and feeling like something is pushing you down. Those are two official listed side effects. You know that someone wrote shadow people on the list and they were like, we can't publish that as the NHS. Imagine if you got a cold and the symptoms were like, seeing like demons running along your bed at night. That kind of blew me away that something like that would be on the official NHS website, but it is there.

Yeah, that means that it's happened to enough people that they have to let people know. Have you ever experienced sleep paralysis yourself? I don't believe that I have, not at least to the extent that I hear from many other people. I've talked to colleagues even in work who've experienced it many, many times and you hear the same thing over and over and over. It sounds so difficult to believe, but I think the worst that's happened to me is the classic, you know, not being able to move maybe, or, you know,

everyone's had had that dream where they can't run away or can't make a sound. Well you had a dream where a cat stole your eyes. Sure. So that's already and he was a shadow sure but he wasn't a person so I don't count that. What about you? I've never experienced sleep paralysis. The closest I've ever got to seeing shadow people was I think when we were doing a charity video game marathon and I stayed up for I believe somewhere close to 43 hours without sleep and towards the end of the stream in the kind of the edges of my vision I basically I was seeing human figures and every time you glance they were gone. The other weird side effect was other people's voices were all auto tuned.

Everyone sounded like T pain. It was really strange. So, you know, I've just been like playing games sitting there and my brother would just be like, Rory, I'm going to the fridge. Would you like a Coca Cola? And you're like, you've got to cut that out, bro. You're freaking me out. The shadow beings don't like it.

Wow. Wow. Yeah, I think I mentioned on the podcast before, I've definitely had that driving late one night, very long distance, and I saw a straight up lion, a giant one, by the way. This is borderline Simba's dad in the sky size lion. But on the ground or was he in the clouds? He was in the in the hedges. Okay. He's like, give me your eyes.

Not again. What's with these cats, man? Now obviously we're talking about these shadowy figures, these shadowy people, and there's two options here. I'll be honest with you. One is that these shadowy figures seen by hundreds of thousands of people are simply an illusion It's our eyes and our brain playing tricks on us or of course option number two

That they are something real and something very paranormal Today we're going to be pursuing option two Now while shadow people are most commonly linked with sleep paralysis People have reported seeing them while fully awake in their homes, in their neighborhoods, as children, as adults. Some people believe they're ghosts, others interdimensional beings, but even though they appear terrifying and sure, sometimes scream and strangle you a little bit in your sleep, a lot of them are actually pretty chill. Are you sure?

There's stories of people having experiences with shadow humans where they just stand there or just kind of like watch you. They're just in the room. But I mean, is a nighttime intruder ever chill? Right. Can a burglar be chill? Can a trespasser be chill? Someone who stands at the end of your bed and silently stares at you.

Right, because of the situation alone, they're already... They've already broken every possible faux pas, social faux pas they could. It's like, what's the chillest a warlord can be? He's already pretty f***ing evil. Yeah, Genghis Khan in a hammock still wasn't chill. If Hitler went to the Bahamas and was in like a f***ing coconut bra and a hula skirt, he's still bad, he's not chill. Zero percent chill.

You know he's harassing someone at that tiki bar. I think what people are trying to explain more in this situation is it's the aura, it's the feeling. A lot of the times with the bad guys, you have this horrible presence, this tension, this evil, this foreboding sense. There's a lot of time you just wake up and you're like, hey, what's up, man? And I know what you're going to say, Rory, a lot of these cases take place at night. They're a byproduct of sleep paralysis. Who hasn't at some point or another thought they saw a human figure in their bedroom? Even though people say they're seeing the same thing, it could just be an optical illusion or a nightmare.

Whoever that is making a lot of good points. But to you then I say Kit, f*** you. Because the truth is, you little bastard. Do you know where the sentence is going? Of course I know where it's going. The truth is Kit that you know that we live in a world with walls. I feel like you started off, I think you just want to say f**k you and then you had to finish the thought. I knew where it was going but you asking me if I knew where it was going kind of sidelined me a bit so now I just need to get back on track. Don't you have a bunch of notes? Can you just check where you were going? Yeah but I scrambled them up at the start. I freaking tripped on this

cat on the way here. When you said f*** you I saw you you actually threw them out of the room. But the truth is Kit that we're not here today to talk about shadow people. We're here to talk about one specific figure We're gonna try and figure out how hundreds of people all over the world have been seeing the same man watching them Kevin Derek wrote when I was about 13 years old my parents had to leave town for a while I assured them I could take care of myself and if anything happens, my grandma lives two blocks down the street. They agreed and went on their ways.

So I'm getting home from school one day and I decide to kick it in my room and play some games for a while. I'm playing online for a couple hours and I'm really getting into it. F***ing beating on all these noobs, racking up the points. Then I hear something. Footsteps in the hallway outside my room Not just any footsteps, but loud ones like someone was walking in heavy boots Goosebumps immediately spore my entire body

My parents for sure weren't coming home for another few days and no one has a key to the house I made sure to lock all the doors prior to this because my mom made it a habit for me to lock up every night and morning. I hear the footsteps getting louder and closer to my room. Mind you, I had my door closed and locked at the time. Thoughts began racing in my head. Am I being robbed? Is this a home intrusion?

I grabbed my baseball bat and headed to the door. Then all of a sudden, the footsteps stopped and began slowly heading the other way. I crept open the door and there it f**king was. Shivers are running down my spine as I type this. I've never seen anything like it. At the end of the hallway, there was a shadowy figure, maybe seven feet tall, wearing a trench coat,

boots and a hat. No details, just an outline. A solid black shadow. It stared at me for a few seconds. At this point I am paralyzed with fear, because I know what I was looking at wasn't a person. It didn't say anything. It wasn't shocked or surprised, it was just staring back at me.

It stood its ground and didn't vanish like you'd think something paranormal would do. I regained myself and jolted out of the window of my room. It's a one-story house. So he didn't like- He jumped out the window of his bedroom. I called my parents to see if they were just messing with me, but they assured me they were hundreds of miles away. It might have been my mom for all I know. I told them what I saw, and of course they didn't believe me. They said I was having a nightmare or some stupid shit.

Which is unfortunate because he's now lost any privileges. He begged and pleaded to be left in the house on his own. Then night one, he's like, Mom and dad, seriously, you need to come back immediately. There is a being at the door. You would be so pissed off if you were like 15 years old and for months you've been like, I'm a f***ing man, I can take care of myself. I've got a baseball bat.

Just get the hell out of here, I'll be fine for one weekend and they pack up the car driving to the horizon and then the first night a shadow man crashes at your pad you gotta be kidding me bro you're killing me with i'm trying to game i'm i'll be honest i'm not a man i don't know what to do now kit that was a story about a very specific type of shadow human known as the hat Man. Wow. This figure dominates stories about shadow people to the point where there are online forums, groups, subreddits, all dedicated to talking about sightings and experiences with the tall hat man. Now, I actually genuinely believe that this episode

is going to shock some of our viewers who have seen this person before and maybe thought that they were alone in this experience I bet in fact I searched our Inbox and we have emails about shadow people and the hat man from Steven George Heather Alicia Humberto and many more I Deleted all those emails because I thought they were full of shit some of those emails are even firsthand Witnesses with their own stories Wow I can't believe this flew under the radar for me. Thanks for picking this one up

Yeah I was genuinely surprised that we ignored a lot of these stories some of them some of the firsthand witnesses ended Like I'm in the closet right now. The footsteps are getting closer. I really need some help here guys I just jumped out of a first story window and then next week we'll they listen to the pod and it's like we're gonna be talking about the frog people of Narnia and please keep emailing because we've got nothing but garbage now as I said while most shadow humans are usually seen for a moment or two before disappearing the hat man often outstays his welcome

Of course and he was welcome for about 2.5 seconds while shadow figures have sometimes been described as Harmless the hat man even without doing anything has a very different vibe. Okay Evil dark energy a sense of dread and hopelessness. Those are just some of the words used to describe his presence. Interesting. Would you like to see an artist's illustration of the tall hat man? I would love to see that. There's not a lot to see. I'm not gonna lie. It's pretty much a blackout. Full shadow. Oh, interesting. So, I

feel like you guys got the general description. We're talking shadow man in a trench coat. Of course, the only variable was the type of hat Yeah, I don't know why I was I guess cuz they just call him a tall hat man. Sorry Yes, tall was more in relation to his height. Exactly not the size of his his enormous hat. I was picturing top hat Exactly. Not the size of his enormous hat. I was picturing top hat. But this is more of a, I don't know what type of hat it is. It's not a million miles away from like a Panama hat or something. Yeah, people have used, you know, Victorian style hat, Fedora as well. Yeah, it's definitely bigger than a Fedora, but that style, general style.

Yeah, those are kind of his, because they're not allowed to see here, folks. No. He looks like he's a redacted human. He's completely blacked out. It's a silhouette of a guy who has a hat and is in a trench coat, allegedly. Sometimes people describe him as having glowing red eyes. And you mentioned, what, seven foot tall?

Seven foot tall. That, again, does vary. Yeah, but definitely seven foot tall? Seven foot tall. That again does vary. Yeah, but definitely tall. He's a tall dude. Yeah. That's interesting. Which obviously adds to the sense of foreboding. I could see why like in our first story

with a small shadow being, it's slightly less threatening than a seven foot tall guy in a trench coat. Yeah, it's kind of a tough situation because if it was a tiny little ghost or a tiny little shadow person, yeah, sure. I do what I always do. Dip my butterfly knife in holy water and come at him in the night. I come at him from behind.

Yeah, I'll ground pound him like Mario. And he's already going to hit the trip wire that sends the hook. Yes. Holy water dip shuriken across the room. Of course. But you know, if he's a seven-foot guy, and I know he can at least afford a hat, he's at least pretty well put together that I feel like if I come at him, he's gonna floor me. Which I can't, by the way, because I'm paralyzed in my bed like a baby. You're already floored. Now, as I said, the story that I just read you is one of thousands collected from a website

called the Hat Man Project, a site dedicated to logging paranormal experiences with the Hat Man. Interesting. Another story from that site comes from Brittany Sirwan in 2013. The first time I saw the Hat Man I was 13 years old. My best friend and I both saw him. He was standing behind a pile of wood. He was tall, dark, shadow. He had no face. He had a hat on and a trench coat. He was just looking at us, not moving an inch.

I felt such anger emanating from him. My best friend and I just stood there, not knowing what to do, as this man slowly turned and walked away from us. After a few feet, he disappeared, in broad daylight, as if he stepped into another dimension. A year later, while lying in my bed reading, I felt the urge to look towards my closed bedroom door, so I did. Standing there was the same man from before, gazing at me. F*** that. It felt like he was projecting emotions onto me. Dread, sadness, all loss of hope.

He stood there for what felt like forever, but then finally he disappeared. Now at the age of 22, I have seen him two times in my apartment. Once in my living room, and once in my bedroom. It was the same as before, as if he was just dropping by to remind me that evil exists. Trying to put fear in me, telling me that bad things can and will happen. I've seen many ghosts in my life ever since I was a small child I've met the angry ones the nice ones the ones that don't even know that they're dead Wow, which we hadn't actually come across I think until last week I didn't realize that was a thing apparently some ghosts don't know they're dead. Yeah, which

Look, I'm not a ghost. Maybe I am Problem Look, I'm not a ghost. Maybe I am. F***. I don't know. That's the problem. But I feel like there's a couple telltale signs. Sure. If you're eating food and it immediately falls out of your ass, you're either a ghost or you need to go see a doctor. But we don't know what the catering situation is in the afterlife.

There may be ghost food and it may be incredibly realistic. That's true. All right, we need a new, if you can walk through walls, you're probably a ghost. You're not normal at the very least. I guess That's true. All right, we need a new... If you can walk through walls, you're probably a ghost. You're not normal, at the very least. I guess that's true. That's a pretty definitive one, I would say. Look at your hands. Can you see through your hands, sir? I guess... Half of our audience are just realizing they're ghosts right now. I guess, now that I think about it, I haven't talked to anyone in, uh, 200 years. talked to anyone in 200 years. I've only talked to you, which means that we are probably both ghosts.

Yeah, that makes sense. That figures. Yeah, our podcast isn't available on iTunes. People only hear it because we are in everyone's bedroom at night. She goes on to say, and no, I'm not crazy. I know this for sure because of the time I saw the dead family in my sister's house. That doesn't explain anything, Brittany. Of all the things I have seen and experienced,

of all the angry spirits I have encountered, this man frightens me the most. I do not believe that he is just a ghost. He is something far worse. He is perhaps a ghost. He is something far worse. He is perhaps a demon Hmm now there are stories of the hat man appearing at night During the day as a dark silhouette with glowing red eyes He's appeared alongside other shadow people as if they were his henchmen and in one story after a witness tried to get a closer

Look, he took off at 25 miles per hour on foot Took off like Sonic the Hedgehog rolled away in a ball of lightning I think it's kind of crazy that um a lot of people have had paranormal experiences where they see the shadow people During sleep paralysis, but a lot of the stories that I saw about the hat man Really weren't to do with sleep paralysis People were seeing him like out in the wild people were seeing him in their living rooms while they're watching TV I mean that son of a bitch was just playing games and he was walking down the hallway It's terrifying really freaks me out. Yeah. I mean the fact that that woman

Apparently with her friend saw him outside hiding behind a stack of wood, it's like he's in places where shadows don't necessarily live. Yeah, like I get it. If it's always in your house at night, if he's outside once, like he's free. He is not confined. Yeah, a lot of the time we talk about ghosts and it's, you know, the same old story. Yeah. The ghost is here because he was killed on this rock 200 years ago. The hat man has a paranormal passport. This mother f***er.

He can fast travel anywhere he wants. He has boots and they're made for walking, folks. This paranormal bastard will wander your halls He'll probably come up under your covers at night. He's you want to go cut some wood. He's behind the wood He can take the tube. He can take the train planes automobiles. He is the ducks of the paranormal world He can swim fly and run. It's terrifying. He loves bread. Did I mention that? He actually loves bread. Did I mention that? He actually loves f***ing bread. Now one of the cool things to note is that people have had experiences with the tall hat man and shadow people all over the world. It spans almost all countries over generations. The ancient Greeks called them shades.

In Korea, it's referred to as Ga-wi-nullum. And in Vietnamese culture, it's called Bong-dae, meaning held down by a shadow. Whoa. It's kind of crazy that this sort of thing has been going on for so long. I mean, there's like ancient medieval paintings of people who are suffering with sleep paralysis with like a little imp.

Yeah, I think I've seen those images. Like sitting on their chest, like weighing them down. And I think for the people who are listening, who've experienced it, if you see those images, it seems to be exactly what people today describe. So it's obviously affected humans all throughout history. But what we're talking about today is the hat man itself. I mean, do you find it strange at all that,

I mean, how is this happening? How is this figure of a man transcending Generations languages all barriers to the point where people in different parts of the world Without talking to each other or being influenced by the same media or imagery or all seeing the same Shadow man. It's a fascinating question and it's something that one of our accounts throughout the possibility there That this is they suggested some type of demon. There are of course a number of possibilities Is this a demon? Is it a run-of-the-mill ghost? Is it as someone suggested some sort of

Interdimensional traveler. This is maybe some kind of literal being that is not of our world, but has the ability to just like ghosts can go through walls, they can just walk through the fifth dimension from wherever they came from. Maybe we just don't have the biological apparatus to understand what they look like. So we just see a shadow. Granted, They still have hats. Hats are universal across every dimension. I think it's funny because when we were talking about shadow people, one of the big arguments is like possibly that your your body is in a state

that it can only reach when you're basically like between your unconscious dream self. Yeah, and but fully awake and alert. And that's why we see shadow people is we're like existing between those realms. For sure. But with the hat man, he's getting a big Mac down the street.

You're not asleep, he's there, he's just chilling. He's getting a big Mac in Vietnam and Florida at the same damn time. Yeah, I don't know if he's like, is it the same guy or is he like Santa? He has to hit like every house one time a year. He's going down the chimney with a bag of nightmares, putting them under the heads of every little child

all across the world. The question- His reindeer, you ask? I didn't. A demon, for sure. The question you posed about how is it possible that people of all cultures, all over the world, have seen the same thing. The eggnog, you said? Forget about it. I did not. He drinks the tears of the Santa, even like eggnog.

I thought he liked milk. I don't know, he's pretty fat. I think he eats something, drinks something pretty fruity or eggy. That's what eggnog is, right? Sorry, I feel like I'm interrupting the story a little bit. drink something pretty fruity or eggy. That's what eggnog is, right? Sorry, I feel I feel like I'm interrupting the story a little bit. I just want to make sure that we knew all the comparisons between him and Santa Claus. I feel like you still have a couple more in you. So do you want to just get them out of the way before we continue?

Honestly, I think I'm done. OK, that's great. So we've got the reindeer presence. OK, we're good. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, go ahead. Of the eggnog, of course. Yeah. So one good. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. Go ahead. The egg nog, of course. Yeah. So one of the possibilities, but instead of elves, sorry, instead of you said you were done. I thought I was, I forgot about the elves. Obviously instead of elves making toys, right? All you see is the reflection of everyone you've ever upset.

Sorry, instead of, instead of elves making toys, do the elves exist or you just see the reflection of everyone you've ever upset? Their face is like a black hole. So it sounds like you're just spitballing at this point. I don't know if this is like anyone's opinion other than your own. This isn't necessarily part of the research part of the podcast. That's been very much concluded. I'm kind of spitballing free flow of ideas here, which is equally important.

And it does feel as though you've wrapped up the whole idea of the Santa that is actually the shadow man. Yeah. We've talked about all the different. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know, I think we're totally done now. I think we've covered all the bases.

So just further to this point. Sorry, one last thing though. Tinsel is barbed wire, that's it, I'm done, sorry. And he comes and he wraps around you because you're the tree and you've been cut down and you're alone in the darkness and you get wrapped in barbed wire. Sorry, done.

The tinsel's barbed wire. That's it. And the baubles. And we're the tree. And the baubles on top. Right. Bombs. What does that have to do with being a shadow being?

What do bombs have to, bombs exist in our dimension? You know, are you done? I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. That's it. He's an evil Santa.

Basically, the fact that people from all over the world have seen the same thing as you very carefully illuminated the fact that they've come from all different cultures points to maybe one possibility that, you know, Carl Jung talked about the collective unconscious. This is the idea that all humans throughout history, we've all evolved from the same something like 3000 ancient humans who lived in continental Africa. And that through the millennium of evolving as humans living off the earth in our subconscious today we are all united by the same concepts we all have it's like the tarot cards that we've shown on the podcast before yeah all humans regardless of race and creed have a concept of victory loss pride, queens, emperors, spiritual leaders.

This is the firmware of the human supercomputer and that everything to do with our daily lives and culture and what we watch on Netflix, sure, that's all the fancy new software. But at the very base of our brain is, let's face it, information about the tall shadow man. I mean, this would be a kind of boring scientific explanation, but for some reason this is tapping is, let's face it, information about the tall shadow man. Yeah. I mean, this would be a kind of boring scientific explanation, but for some reason, this is tapping into some kind of ancient memory that all humans have pre-installed in their brain when they're born.

I guess the only weird thing about it is that why does the prehistoric memory have a hat? That's kind of the question that, you know, if it is something that's just like engraved in human beings, pretty much since they existed from the dawn of time, why does it have a hat? Acast powers the world's best podcasts. Here's a show that we recommend. world's best podcasts. Here's a show that we recommend. Kaila Itzenes. Kaila Itzenes. I'm Kaila Itzenes and I have been training a global community of women since 2009. I've created a brand new podcast, Sweat Daily, to help you level up your life and reach your health and wellbeing goals. From fitness tips to food that fuels you,

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As someone who has taken many psychedelic drugs. Absolutely. I had one experience where I took ayahuasca people who might have talked about the podcast before. This is a extremely ancient South American shamanistic psychedelic, which they take in healing ceremonies that sometimes last days and basically, you imbibe this jungle juice and In a kind of very reverential Fashion not to be confused with special juice, which of course makes me baby whoopsie Poopoo this is jungle juice Which actually now that I said it out loud, it does

make you vomit and shit everywhere. But it most, most famously causes incredible psychedelic visions. And people take this to kind of learn about themselves, about the world around them, and hopefully communicate with Mother Nature on some level. I did this. I saw through the layers of the Matrix. I took the red pill. I journeyed from this dimension to the 11th and back again. But on my travels, I was upset and disturbed at one point because I was visited by a joker,

a jester. This little guy was like practically in his little... The hat with the bells. He had the hat with the bells. He had the big like clown makeup. He had the whole jester outfit and he was delighted to see me. I was not delighted to see him. And he's boinging back and forth his head,

boinging towards me like out of a cartoon. That's a real Yeah, that's a real fine line clowns and and jesters, you know, they're always dancing on that precipice of being Very funny and then and nightmare fuel and that it was really more the latter So I see on a gun for he had a gun and he was pretty forceful at where he wanted to go. It was the shaman in the ceremony. You drank tap water and he arrested you. I drank a glass of tap water. He beat me over the head with a boot. I took my car keys. That little psychedelic trickster. You drink half a cup of Red Bull and you're like, I see God! I'm vomiting everywhere.

Oh, I shit myself. That was just water to give you before the trunk. At some point, the jester left and I was able to enjoy the rest of my experience and have some pretty interesting revelations I didn't think too much about the jester that I saw I thought that's a little weird But I guess I've you know, I grew up in the era of the 90s and the 2000s I've seen many many children's cartoons movies. The jester is just a popular image. I guess. It's got that Punch and Judy vibe to it. It can bury itself into your subconscious. And then I think I was listening to the Joe Rogan experience one time and he basically

word for word described my experience. He described smoking DMT, which is actually the active compound within ayahuasca and seeing the jester and it creeping him on, the jester bouncing back and forth and laughing at him. And I was like, okay, this is too weird that he had almost the exact same description of what happened. I'm just gonna Google for you to reenact what I did

straight after listening to the Jerogan experience. I Googled like psychedelic jester, just to see if there was anything else. I found a reddit thread, I think it might have been exactly this reddit thread, with the following image. Oh my god. And the oh that's so scary. The name of the thread is does this ring any bells? This is a fairly decent representation of the jester I met. And that was posted a couple of years ago and I am freaking out at this point that

Apparently not only have I and a famous podcaster Seen this but it seems countless other people who have also experienced These psychedelics as you can see roy there is like a plethora of depictions of these psychedelic gestures. Oh my God. I almost encourage people to like Google it to kind of see what we're, what we're getting at here. Anyway, this is all to say that this, this is obviously one of two things either. Like I said, the concept of this gesture,

even though he's got a hat is buried deep, deep in the human subconscious. Yeah. Or this little bastard is an interdimensional traveler. Either way, either option is pretty paranormal. I mean, either I'm paranormal, either it's a creature or an image that basically resides in every single human that can be triggered. Or he is a little time traveling in a dimensional jester. Because it is one of the more like paranormal explanations for what goes on when people take IOS,

when people take DMT is that they are not just, you know, putting a spoon in their brain and swirling it around and seeing what happens, seeing what colors they can see, but rather that you are scrubbing clean your third eye and being able to view another dimension. Would you ever try it again? Or is it one of those like one and done sort of experiences? You know, I don't want to encourage anyone to to do it. But I think I probably would.

People have said it best when it's like, it's the only drug in the world that makes, the more you do it, the less you wanna do it. Right, right. It's like, I think I did that around probably three years ago, and then I stopped drinking for three years straight. I was scared sober forever.

I remember talking to you after you did it and I was like I was like well was it because I have such a limited knowledge of it I was like was it good I remember you saying well I'm not afraid to die anymore and I was like that's good I guess. My eyes are completely black. I don't know I think I'd like to try it. It's illegal, right? Is it illegal? Very. Oh, everywhere? No, I think- You can't go somewhere? To be fair, you can, yeah, which of course is what I did, ladies and gentlemen.

It's legal in certain countries. I think like you can probably do it in like, you know, South America, Netherlands, different places. Hey, I say we just blast off, start the Zoom, record a podcast, just telling everyone what we see. Just us screaming for 90 minutes. So I don't know what this all says in relation to the shadow people, but I guess what I'm saying is I have experience of this shared collective vision of an unknown entity.

That's pretty good. That's exactly the paranormal evidence that we were looking for. Another case possibly where a creature or some imagery is burned into humans across the world. I've had my own experiences, equally cool. I smoked a ton of weed once and ate a whole bag of Cheetos, family size, by myself. So not quite the same level of like extreme, but

like I definitely. But you know, I guess you'd went into yourself and you realize how many Cheetos you could eat. Yeah, yeah. Kind of a similar level of like realization. There was probably like some like medieval night there or something as well. Cheat me on. He's eating cheetos. Cheering me on. He's like, wow, these are better than medieval food. He's also high. Better than eating live rabbits and drinking piss. All right, look, I had some great stories there. Some from our listeners, it was emailed in, some from the internet, and even one from our very own professional paranormal investigator. I think it's time to come down here on some sort of conclusion into...

Let's look specifically at the tall hat man. Sure. I think this is going to be an interesting conclusion because... Look... At what point is it not real? ... If it's something that... This is you, 815, talking to your parents. They've had to come home early from their

trip and unlock the house. You're locked out. You broke both your ankles, jumping out the window. I'm trying to explain to them that Edward the fifth, the knight that's been smoking weed with me. At what point is he not real? Because I've seen him jousting in the living room and it's pretty real. So don't get mad at me because he brought the weed. This is medieval weed. You didn't give me a choice.

At what point is it not real? If it is something that has been seen by people all across the world Be it in their subconscious Not in the physical world. How can you argue? That it's not in some form real if that makes any sense. Yeah. Yeah you definitely this gets to like a deeper more confusing point of What is real and not real? I mean, we like to come down to a yes or no, but what are we saying? If we say...

Is love real? What about that? I've never seen love. We say a ghost is real. Like we're not saying that you can like measure him with a thermometer or some shit or capture him with a camera necessarily. Yeah. But if you can, if five people in a room all see it and all swear they saw it,

that's pretty damn real. You have to start looking at the problem as as a physical person, he does not exist. But whatever this is, as an image, as an entity, as even a subconscious illusion, it is to a certain point real. Yeah, like, I don't want us to get too squirrely, but I think what you're trying to say is, imagine we came down today and say this isn't real. Someone is going to go to bed tonight somewhere in the world and see this bastard. Yeah.

So it's real. I think it might be real. Holy moly. Look, I know that last week was the first time possibly that we had a ghost double yes on the podcast, but it's looking like this week. I don't even know what this is, a figure, a specter, but I think for me this week, it's gonna be a yes.

Tall Hat Man's real. I don't know what he is, if he's some kind of interdimensional being, but I think it's a yes. Double yes! Another one! Rack in them up! Set off the alarm! Smash it! Oh my hand! I cannot believe it folks, not only do we have I cannot believe it folks, not only do we have two double yeses in a row, but also neither of them were alien stories. Which is, that is truly unprecedented. Which is remarkable. Are we going soft in the head from quarantine and lockdown? Maybe. Quite possibly.

Very possibly. We also might be saying yes to a lot of these things because we don't want to piss them off. Just tell them they're real and maybe they won't bother you. Hopefully nobody has any problems sleeping after this episode. Even though we basically said a demon is real and he comes to you in the night. I luckily I'm one of those people that I don't I can pretty much fall asleep within 10 seconds. Yeah, every night head on pillow gone like a light.

But I mean that doesn't like it's like a super top the demon from visiting you surely that's true. That is true In fact, if anything that gives him a bigger window. Yeah Like you're reliable you're a lot like he knows you're gonna be asleep He's not like waiting outside checking his watch being like that son of a bitch still watching the office It's 3 a.m. What the fuck go to sleep. Whereas I am out 8.30. Thank you everyone for tuning in and listening to this week's episode of This Paranormal Life. Hope you had a good time, hope it wasn't too spooky for you. If you want to get involved in the This Paranormal Life commune slash community, You can check us out. We are on YouTube.

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He said he could only do Wednesdays. We were busy Wednesdays we were busy Wednesdays we just went anyway smashed in the door just unhinged it from the other side his whole family were there for Thanksgiving at the time we come in ass naked because we were under the impression he would provide the clothes and you are not very welcome but naked at a family's Thanksgiving. Because he didn't, he had the gall to not tell his family about the shadow people arrangement. Yeah, so his dad's just sitting there top of the table cutting the turkey,

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