This Paranormal Life - The Goblin-Possessed Kitchen That Drove a City MAD

Episode Date: March 10, 2026

From smart speakers to AI-powered TVs — in 2026 we are used to inanimate objects talking to us. But in the early 20th century if you told someone your stove cracked a joke? You’d be placed in a strait-jacket and booted into a jail cell. And yet that’s exactly what happened to the Palazón family in Zaragoza, Spain in 1934 when their stove started yapping uncontrollably! The subsequent chaos would consume the entire city causing full blown ‘goblin fever’. But was ANY of it really paranormal? Time for Kit and Rory to find out… Follow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Join our Secret Society Facebook Community⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Support us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/ThisParanormalLife⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to get access to weekly bonus episodes! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Buy Official TPL Merch!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Edited by Philip Shacklady Research by Ewen Friers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In an age of AI, interactive speakers and smart home technology, it isn't a shock to have random household objects speak to you. It's as acceptable in the modern age as talking about your feelings or grooming your downstairs. But in the 1930s, this was totally unheard of. Yet, in 1934, a family in a Spanish city of Zaragoza was plagued by a mysterious voice emanating from their kitchen. Who was behind the voices? How did the family and the authorities react? and how did it pronounce Barcelona? Answers to these questions and more on this episode of

This Paranormal Life! Whoa! Dude! Loving the energy you're bringing to the table today. Hell yeah. Why not? It's Tuesday. We're back recording the podcast and I'm ready to dive into a brand new paranormal tale,

one that sounds like it's going to scare me to the bone. Yes. And you're a guy who isn't scared easily because you're wearing a... Twilight shirt. Yeah. I like horror movies. I've watched the Twilight franchise.

Yeah, I like 824 movies. I've seen Twilight. What's scarier than Twilight where a man falls in love with a baby? Right. Yeah. Rory, I will say,

I don't know if you're feeling worried at this point by my intro because, sure, we have covered a few stories on the podcast that have involved disembodied voices.

Those are pretty notorious episodes of this paranormal life. Yeah. Corny. The Irish Ghost. Yeah. Jeff the Mungoose.

Is this going to complete the Holy Trinity, do you think? I don't know. I don't know. You said it's a common thing in paranormal stories, especially ghost stories in poltergeist cases, hearing voices coming from walls, coming from stone, coming from nowhere. Mm-hmm.

Sounds like that's what we're getting into today. Let's dive in. Quit beating around the bush. One plus one equals more of the greatest stories. Hulu on Disney Plus. Stories about our survivors. Watch this. The most dangerous planet.

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The best of the best stories now with even more from Hulu. Amazing. Have it all with 3 on Disney Plus. November 1934, the Palat-Sond family relaxed in their second floor apartment on the Gascon de Gator in the heart of the historic city of Zaragoza. They've just had their evening meal and Joaquin Palazón and his wife Maria read happily while they're made. Pasquale soes in the corner. Ben, she sets on her sewing and gets up. Signor and signora, I'm just going to check I've done all my chores in the kitchen, then head to bed.

Buenos no-s-notches. Buenos noxna. One more time. What's her name? Pasquala, I guess. Pasquale. I wanted to be known that I was just given this script. It's not that I'm rude enough.

I didn't learn the name of the maid. I want that to be known. He just gave this to me like two seconds ago. Ah, Maria, aren't we so blessed to have her? We truly are. What with the cooking, cleaning, and sewing? She's so helpful around the house. And her character!

Why don't get me started on her honest character? She would never stage a prank, a hoax, a trick, a fraud, or lie in any way. That I can be sure of. A strange and forcefully put observation, but yes, she's truly a wonder. Just then, a scream was heard from the kitchen and the maid came running into the room, visibly shaken. What happened? The stove, Signor Palazón. What about the stove?

It talks, signor. It talks. I just went into the kitchen to check everything was in its place and all tidied up before bed. As I leaned over the stove, I heard a whispered voice coming. from the stove pipe. It said, You are hurting me. Uh-oh. That's when I screamed.

When I turned around to come back in here, I switched the lights off as I left the room and heard the voices again. This time it was louder shouting, Light! I can't see! Whoa! Rory! This dramatic account is the origin of a case that went on to Rock, Spain, and indeed the outside world, one that came to be known as the Zara goes a stove door. Goblin. Wow. Wasn't even expecting that. That is terrifying. That's a terrifying choice of words to come out of

anything. You know, because as you said, modern day, it's not so strange to hear technology speaking to you. My Apple Watch won't shut the fuck up. It speaks to me even when I don't want it to. You know, I can't go to the supermarket without hearing unexpected item in bagging area. So true. But if I was checking out at Singsbury's and put all of my shots, shopping at the self-checkout machine and it went, ah, you're hurting me! I'd be done. I'd be done. I would, I don't know what I can do in that situation. Yeah. If you went to lift up ahead of lettuce from the fruit and veg section and it yelled back,

hands off the merchandise. Big guy. Okay, for sure. Yeah. I'm not having a Caesar salad tonight. I'm going to eat something else. Can I have spaghetti. Yeah, because I feel like the second I put a knife into you, you'll scream. Yeah. I don't want that to happen in my house.

I don't want a kind of 40s Italian mobster in my salad. So this is worrying. Just a welcome and thank you to everyone who kept listening after I said the words Zaragoza stove goblin. Thanks for sticking with us here. I think we lost about 40% of the audience. That's not my words, not my invention of a title.

That is just what we're dealing with today. Yeah. Bit of a mad one, mate. Yeah, Rory, you said it best. You know, we've covered a lot of pretty disturbing things to happen on the show. You know, seeing a ghost. a ghost, seeing a light an onybee, hearing a cryptid

breathing outside your door like the goddamn big bad wolf. These are all disconcerting things, but yeah, there's some household items you don't want to start talking to you. No. The toilet cistern? Do I have to start spelling it out loud, you know? Yeah.

Because this is essentially what we're dealing with is the plot of beauty and the beast. You're right. Didn't even think of that. Where the objects in the castle start coming to life. And all of a sudden, your homies are a clock and a candle. And I think in retrospect, they took that pretty well. Yeah. The beast adapted to that very easily. Yeah. You know, I guess not many people wanted to hang out with him after that. So he's like, I have to hang out

with a teapot. So wait, they were. No, we're not, we can't get. We have an actual really important story here. They were real people? Because I was like, were they happy to go back to being a candlestick? But no, it was a guy turned into a candlestick. Yeah, the whole castle got cursed. He was still horny as a candlestick. Wasn't that weird? So horny, yeah. Yeah, it's like, dude, you don't even have the requisite tools anyway.

Did he use that as an excuse? He was like, oh, the witch cast a horny spell on me too. And they're like, no, that's not a thing, dude. He was like this before the spell between you and me, old boy. They found hot wax on Mrs. Potts. Oh, piss off. Pissal. I'm sorry, we need to continue today's.

Patreon.com to get bonus episodes of this paranormal life. Click the link in the description. Drop a heart in the comments if you're enjoying this episode. All right. Look, look, it wasn't just Pasquale and the maid. Joaquin and Maria looked into the darkened kitchen in that moment and they too were shocked by what they heard. Intermittent whispers, laughing and even shouting

was coming from the stove pipe or chimney that took smoke and steam out of the stove, out of the building. The voice wavered between a pleasant tone and a more maniacal unhinged tone. In other words, the stove had probably consumed between six and ten pints of Guinness. Okay. I don't know a lot about the kind of stoves

that were being used in this region at this time. Is there a chance that they turn on the stove and there's a man in the pipes? They turn on the stove they hear, Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It burns. Yeah, I don't know.

I simply don't know. Well, you're about to see that they did start to investigate all possibilities. Okay. I will start off, though, by showing you just a quick image of, I believe, what seems to be, Pasquala and the kitchen. And I guess is that the stove pipe she's interacting with? Let's check this thing. Yeah. Um, okay.

I didn't. I also, it became apparent. to me seeing the image. The maid is like 13 years old. Yeah, she does look young. And this house is a little more like, I don't know why, because of how the places I was raised, being in a house that also enables you to have a maid, I assumed it was some sort of palace. Some sort of grand ballroom they were sipping tea in. But this looks like a pretty normal house, if not a small house. Yeah, I think it was a very different time. I kind of had to readjust that in my mind. too, that culturally having a maid today

would be a sign of extreme wealth back then probably much less so the case. I don't know, this could have been an elderly family. And in this case, I don't know what the financial arrangement would have been. This maid might have actually just been living maybe a little like an au pair that you might have today

that like a rich family in Switzerland might have where they might not really be getting paid at all but they're just getting their food and food. Food and board. Yeah. Room and board. I remember being a kid growing up. up and finding out at least one kid in my class had a maid or like a cleaner.

And we're not talking about your robot butler. Scooter 3000. No, no, no, no. I'm talking a human living breathing thing. No, Scooter 2000 made more messes than he cleaned up, I would say, just because of how bad his wheels were on the shag carpet. He wasn't an alcoholic. He wasn't like, he didn't. He had to fire him because he kept stealing.

But just even having a cleaner, you know, growing up. with a cleaner, I was like, that's such a wild foreign thing to me. Guess who the cleaner is in our house? Muggan's here. That's how he gets his pocket money. I got to do cleaning on the weekend. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Once you overheard your friend talking, you were like, what? Yeah. You were like, well, sorry, but how do you get the money to buy official Nintendo magazine? Your friend was like, my mom just gives me pocket money. You were like, I, sorry. Can I go to the principal's office? I need to make a phone call. Mom, I just found out some shit.

Yeah. Okay. Other kids aren't being worked like a dog. I go home and I go, mother, child abuse. Child abluse. That's not what that is. Abuse. I mean, I will work for you no longer. I got roasted by my family to oblivion because one time, on the back of a cornflakes box,

they put a huge ad for child line. You don't hear that much about child line. anymore, but it seemed like there was ads for it all the time growing up. And it was like, hey, if you're a kid who's being smacked upside the head, called Childline. Oh, that's good. And dobb in your parents, which is good. But they ran an ad campaign. And the little boy in the campaign was f***ing me. It was exactly me, which is pretty mad because I had like shoulder length curly blonde hairs, you remember. You did. Yeah. Yeah. So there weren't too many little boys kicking about looking exactly like me. You look like a Nordic gray growing up.

long blonde hair piercing blue eyes. I look like a Norwegian premiership footballer or something. I, yeah. And man, my parents didn't, they thought this was the funniest shit ever. And I was like, keep laughing. I'll call that shit. Keep laughing, dad.

Seven years old. That's the maid. That's the apartment. If you're watching this on YouTube, Spotify or Patreon, you can see that image for yourself. Thank you, Phil, for queuing that up. As mad as it all was, like we've seen in countless paranormal cases

and horror movies. The family basically hoped there's a scientific rationale for everything going on and they tried to forget about it for the night and go to sleep. But by 5am, the voice had become louder and more boisterous. Those are still words to describe drunk people, I will say. At a total loss they decided to call the authorities. And as soon as they called the police, the stove shouted, Cowards! I'm not doing a bit that this is Word for word what happened? As the officers arrived at the house, the voice even greeted each of them

as they entered the kitchen by name. It knew the names of everyone involved. It was like, Officer Jenkins. Like, it's like, all right, are you psychic or have you been arrested so many times? Obviously, option two. Obviously. If they call the police and it says,

Cowards, if this was some sort of ghostly entity, They would have to call a priest for it to say, cowards, you know, or a paranormal investigator. And it'd be like, oh, cowards, you don't want to deal with me? You know, you're trying to bring someone in to get rid of me. But if you call the police and he's like, don't do that. That would lead me to believe you're just a guy. I'll stop. I'll stop. I'll stop. Really?

I can't get one more strike. Don't do it, don't do it. I'm on parole. What? How's a stove on parole? With the launch of a full-on police and defense. investigation, the palatsoons were temporarily moved out of the apartment. Word got out and massive public attention turned to this demonic voice in the stove.

The story became known locally as the Zaragoza Duende. Rory, do you remember our episode on Duendays? Yes. Yeah, I do. I was wondering why this word sounds so familiar. Yeah. I don't remember, do you remember the specific case? Are Duende is just a goblin-like creature?

I believe it was just a case into all of Duendays. Am I wrong? I don't remember, actually. That's a really good point. I don't remember if it was a specific case or not. You're saying that the Duende, this creature, this goblin-like creature, they think it is inside of the stove. Or are they more like an entity? Yeah, look, me and Rory have clearly tried to forget Duendez as much as this physically possible.

But for anyone who hasn't heard that. episode that we did on it, a duende is an elf or goblin type creature specifically present in Latin folklore. It is said that duendays are quote analogous to fairies, sprites or, well, goblins in Western folklore. Natural spirits that can have a range of traits or significance ranging from being benevolent to mischievous. And the Zaragoza stove goblin is a little closer to the latter. So, yeah, it's a good point that it's, we think of Goblin as like a little, little Game of Thrones Skyrim guy. Yeah. Kind of a little physical, like a Dobby, the house elf or something.

Sure. But it seems, it can be that it feels like, or it could be a sprite to spirit. Yeah, I do remember, it's all coming back to me now. Two words jumping out from that episode would be sexually promiscuous. I think is one way that people have described them in the past. Look, like Le Mier,

I have written down that I do remember a couple of Duende's being perverts. Yeah, 100%. I don't know why. Which is, I will say, when you cover as much folklore, history, myth as we do,

that is a surprisingly, worryingly present characteristic is kind of, you know, in the same way that like in just like British and Irish, culture, we're quite a polite culture. And so, you know, if you know someone who's an absolute bastard piece of shit, unforgivable asshole, you might describe him to your friends as, ah, he's a bit of a character, you know, he's all right in small doses, you know, through a lot of different

cultures and folklore, there's a little bit of like, you know, yeah, we have this, this spirit. And, you know, hey, no, no, no, they're not bad. They're not evil. They're kind of neither good nor evil. Keep your back to the wall, though, between me and you. Yeah, don't get undressed near them. Jesus, they'll go nuts. Yeah. It's like, well, they sound clearly bad. Yeah, it's like, they're, you know, they're not good, they're not bad, they're sort of in the middle. And you're like, oh, that's really good to hear, because there's actually one in my stove. You have one? Leave! And you visited me? They can move, they can jump between people. Don't come here. You know, you've got to be very careful what you're dealing with.

with. Yeah. Yeah. El Pervert? No, El Dwenday. Same thing. It's one guy. You're like, well, why didn't you say so? I don't want to deal with that. Yeah, he's kind of a mythical kind of panty sniffer. Oh, Jesus. God. It's like, what? It sounds awful. Yeah, it'll kind of steal your underwear, have a kind of rummage around in there, you know. Yeah, you know, if you're sitting on the sofa watching TV when you get up for the night, he'll kind of run over there, sniff the sofa. That's enough. That's absolutely enough. Mostly sniffing is like, well, starts with sniffing.

I'll tell you that much. The escalates from there. Just to get it out there. Dwendase. Dwendase. That's where we're going. Yeah. As the investigation was carried out,

the events only got stranger. When workmen were called in to survey the kitchen, one suggested that they measure the inside of the stove chimney. But before he could pull out the tape measure, the voice said, You need not trouble. The diameter is six and. Clearly, the voice of a man in the chimney.

Could a man fit inside a six inch wide diameter? He's lying. I like that the stove was also like, hey, we don't need to measure anything. It's just normal size, like the national average of six inches. Don't even check. I like that he went over to measure it. He goes, don't even, you don't have to bother, there's nobody in here. It's like in where? In the, no where?

Where. Let's open up the stove. Oh, fuck! No, no, no, no. With the strange happenings now reported in local and international newspapers, crowds of people, purportedly in their hundreds, started to gather on the Gascon de Gator in hopes of hearing the supernatural voice. Rory is a very grainy image of people camped outside the building. This is insane. I wish I had this little going on in my life. that I had an afternoon to look at a goblin stuck in a pipe. This is crazy.

Come on. You mean to tell me, you get the BBC breaking news notification, goblin stuck in oven in Hackney, you're not going to swing by? I might pass by on my line bike. A real goblin? I think you might.

I think you might. I don't know. Neither police investigators or priests could figure out where or what the voice was coming from. But by now, it was just readily conversing, answering questions, and stating strangely accurate facts. Mostly about the diameter of the pipe it was in. It was known for its cheekiness and had a darkly playful way of interacting, as described in an article by the Strange Co-Blog.

Quote, that Duende, or whatever it was, was always eager to chat. It would answer questions and make any variety of smart remarks. For whatever reason, the voice seemed, fixed-ed on the family's 16-year-old maid, Pasquale Al-Cotter. It would often call her name and then laugh in a demented fashion that must have been quite unsettling for the girl. Don't love that it's quote fixated on a 16-year-old girl but I told you these Dwendays man. Yeah, you got to keep an eye on them. At one point the police tried to question the stove, quote, one of the policemen asked the stove, who are you? Why are you doing this? Do you want money? No, said the stove. Are you looking for a job? Nope. Then who are you and what is it that you want, man? Nothing.

The stove calmly replied, I'm not a man either. That was a weird second question. Are you looking for a job? Yeah, what is that? What is that? What? Because we're actually looking for people down at the local police department. You seem like you're pretty good at infiltrating buildings. So, yeah, that would really help us out. I mean, maybe this speaks to what the police thought was happening. Maybe they were like, look, there's a guy hiding in a cooker. Oh, is it like a stunt or something?

You know, they're just like, look, man, are you broke? You know, are you squatting in this per family's height? Oh, I see. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe they're just like, dude. Yeah, yeah. You need a place to crash.

Got it. Like, what's happening here? Here's also just an image of the police investigating the stove. Just so you know that that'll happen. All right. This is just a guy in a trench coat pointing at the stove. The stove is not what you think it is. Right.

It is like a hole in a wall. Right. It's almost like a, what do they call it? Like a dumbwaiter or whatever. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. It looks like a dumb waiter, like a little hatch you can open up. Which just makes this even more believable that there's just a guy in the walls.

Come on, six inches. Because I assume a lot of listeners like myself, when we hear stove, we're thinking of a modern, conventional stove. Well, I did say at the beginning, it's a little more, I said it could be considered like a chimney. Yeah. Which is, I guess, when you look at that, see the way it comes out of the wall. That's what it looks like. Yeah. But, I mean, you will see in relation to the mound, that is a very slim chimney.

That is not, you know, a slim chim. Yeah, that is a slim chim. You know, because wasn't that the whole point? Back in Victorian times, you sent out, hello, governor. You sent up the little boy up the chimney to clean it because only a little boy could fit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the chimney switch.

Yeah, not this slim chim. Yeah. Anyone still listening? Yep, a couple people. Damn it. Last week was a double yes, and I still think there's potential to keep that street going.

Yeah, but I strongly, we're recording this before that episode's come out. I'd say that's been debunked since then. I think that's debunked since the double yes. You can't undo my double yes after the podcast. Because I'm so skeptical. The most reluctant of yes is from me. Great case. But I just don't trust those investigators.

You're like, that's why this one's way better. Nothing to debunk. Skips that whole process. It's a no from the start. Everyone in the story is actually too dumb to hoax, uh, crazily. As I say, the police, they were sticking the place out continuously surveilling the location. And after a few days, the voice abruptly stopped. While still unsolved, the inspectors decided it was safe to invite the family back into the apartment.

And after 48 hours without a peep from the stove, everyone involved prey the ordeal was over. Yet, in what in retrospect looks like a clever ruse to get the cops out of the building, the voice burst back into life once they'd left. and started screaming at the palatons, cowards, cowards, cowards, here I am! The palatons immediately moved out again

and this time permanently. He's like, wait, come back. I love that so much. He said one word, and they're like, no, we're not. It's like, dude, we haven't even unpacked yet. We just got in the door, like, our shit is still out of the building.

He just couldn't wait. said nothing for 48 hours and the second he hears the door handle turn he's like, now kill you, you'll die and he's like, all right, well we're not coming back in come back to get his hat. Oh, shit. There's no one here?

Now, with the crowds increasing by the day and the media interest growing, the story was becoming an embarrassment to the local governor. Hoping to avoid the reputation as a superstitious city, swept up in goblin folk traditions. Great sentence.

Imagine that happened to Zora and Mamdani. Goblin fever sweeping the city and he's like, fuck sake, mate, this is a partisan. We've got to sort this out. Damn. The mayor was hoping to avoid a goblin scandal. And he needed a scientific answer for this problem to go away. Hell yeah.

By now, papers across Europe were covering the story, including almost daily reports from the London Times, who said of the investigation, quote, they have pulled up flooring and even lifted the roof, but the work has proved entirely fruitless. The governor took drastic action, as described by think anomalous.com. The governor of Zaragoza called for a media blackout

while police began searching for evidence of a hoax. A thorough search of the entire complex found nothing. In a desperate attempt to stop the phenomenon, authorities had the entire block isolated and the army cut power to the apartment complex. Though unaffected, the voice was outraged and according to some sources

threatened to kill the residents. Oh my God. Whoa. Men will do anything but check the stove. They did. They checked the stove. They did do it. There's just no way they didn't find what the voice is coming from. You can't tell me we got the

police stake the place out for days. The army by all accounts. I don't think they said the army. But the mayor brought in authority they shut down the block, turned off the power to the building, had a media blackout. And you're telling me they didn't look inside the stove with a torch. By the way, blowing this situation up to this degree is certainly going to assure the fact there will be a goblin scandal. If you are calling in the military to cordon off a district of the town to protect people from the goblin, you're drawing an unnecessary amount of attention to this thing.

That is absurd the amount of time and money being spent on a voice. The only person who's ever faced this was the mayor of New York City when the green goblin was terrorizing. Yeah, that's a goblin scandal. We have a huge goblin, goblin issue. We need to shut down. He's been throwing pumpkin bombs and everything. Dude, if I was the mayor, if I was the mayor of this city and this worried, I would knock on everybody's door. Right.

I would hand them all big checks in the appointment. apartment building, they leave, and then kabum, building goes down. Yeah, building goes down. Yeah. Born it down. Move on. Yeah, burn it down, move on. But, you know, but speaking to your story, though, I mean, can't you just see, though? Couldn't you just see it happen?

You demolish it. Everyone moves on. You spent a couple million out of the city budget, getting everyone out of there. Build a nice new apartment complex on top of it. Brand new stuff. Lovely new stove. Then day one, Hello. Coward!

Coward! Coward! You thought you could get rid of me? Newk! Newk it! We need to nuke it. Did we have nukes back then? Yeah, look, you might be right.

Yeah, well, I don't know how to deal with this thing. I'm excited to hear how they dealt with it. The Goblins starved. He didn't leave the pipe for three weeks and he died in there. Well, interest failed to die down. as you predicted Rory. The story had almost reached a fever pitch around the city. Local comedians and singers had started to impersonate the voice in their act.

And local businesses parried the voice in their radio advertisements. Some restaurants, bars and clubs have even claimed to have offered the entity a fee to appear at their premises. Man, they were letting this goblin do nightclub walkthroughs for 50K. Yeah, that's crazy. I really, I will say, I do love that wrinkle. to the story because so often we cover like historic paranormal tales and because of the historical lens of written accounts,

news and books and stuff like that, the past always seems humorless compared to today because like we're sitting here laughing about paranormal tales but it just goes to show people thought this was hilarious back then. And like that's genuinely such a creative, funny use

is like get an impersonator to do an ad for your business on the radio with like the biggest story. of the year from the town. You got to laugh, guys. You know, when there's a goblin stuck inside your stove and he won't shut up, you just got to laugh about it. Totally.

Yeah, if this happened today, there would be SNL sketches about the goblin. 100%, yeah. The governor needed a change of strategy. Nothing was working. And it was then that the famed psychiatrist, Wachin Oriera, was drafted in. He was highly critical,

claiming the whole event was just nonsense, and he arrived at a rational conclusion Gradually, the voice did become less frequent, and its last known sentence was uttered in early December. By then, the police on-site had become so freaked out they refused to even go inside anymore. Bravely, they volunteered the building owner's six-year-old son to start talking to the stove from nine on. And the last recorded words of the goblin were when this little boy said that the whole thing was crazy, the Zaragoza goblin said in a low, guttural voice, not crazy little one

and with this the now drawn out tired voice of the Zaragoza goblin was never heard again I'm laughing because this guy has obviously started dying he's stuck in a pipe he starved dead inside a cooker not crazy just hits the deck

and the child was like yeah towards the end all he would talk about is water Water, please. It's never too early to plan your summer's story in Europe with WestJet, from rolling countryside to cobblestone streets. Begin your next chapter. Book your seat at westjet.com or call your travel agent. WestJet, where your story takes off.

But I mentioned this psychiatrist, Joaquin O'Reira. What was his conclusion? Well, O'Ireira and the governor, they announced that they believed this was a case of unconscious things. Entriloquism. A condition. A classic case of manning pipe where an individual falls into a tight pipe. Guys, it's just a run-of-the-mill panty sniffing squatter. All right. This is a condition by which someone unconsciously speaks out, but crucially in an undetectable way, just like a ventriloquist with a puppet. Oh, okay. Now this asks the all-important question, who was the unconscionation?

French ventriloquist, according to Oriera, none other than the Palatsohn's faithful maid, Pasquale. What? Who had first heard the voice at the beginning of our story. Now, she naturally denied the accusation, but Dr. Oriera was firm in his conclusion, and in an article by Eric Grundhouser explained, the official who had been presiding over the investigations claimed to have seen it himself, vaguely explaining that it was the result of a psychic phenomenon,

phenomenon produced only in certain circumstances. She was apparently throwing her voice while in some sort of fugue state. So wait, she was actually making the noise or she was telepathically sending her voice inside of the stove? The governor and the psychiatrist were claiming that Pasquale had entered into some kind of trance where even she didn't know what was happening. Now that bits to explain the fact that she denies it. And that she was. was throwing her voice in kind of theater style, like a ventriloquist, talking behind her teeth, you know, to make it sound like a voice was coming from the cooker. There's no way that all of these people could put together, that she was just in the corner going, hmm, and people were freaking out. Rory, I don't know how to tell you, there's no one in the stove.

There's no, there's no guy. This is why they landed here. This was their best bet. She wasn't even in the house for like the majority of this stuff. You're right. Thank you for paying attention. She wasn't. So what's the explanation behind that? Yep.

As my script continues, this didn't explain how for the vast majority of the speaking had happened when Pasquale was nowhere to be seen. This feels a little bit like blame it on the poor person. Glad you said it. A little like, we've got to arrest someone. I don't know. The maid did it. There's an impoverish 16-year-old girl who has kind of no societal clout. Yeah.

In which to defend herself. I don't love this. Yeah. She's gone mad from too much cleaning. Put her in the bin. He's like, no, I didn't do it. Hysterical! She's lost her mind.

Put her in the stove. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. That sounds wrong. Sounds wrong to me. I don't like this. Whilst there was never much in the way of a how and why is there a goblin in this kitchen,

the official conclusion also doesn't really fit either. Was the governor just, just keen to cover something up and move attention elsewhere? Is there a conspiracy at play? Does he know that there's an entire city of goblins underneath the city of Zaragoza and one of them crawled up through a tunnel, got into the stove and he's worried that word's going to spread? At the very least, this is a scapegoat, someone you can pin it on, get the press to disperse

and hopefully move everyone on. Despite the official ruling, local opinion tended to favor the more supernatural explanation that this was a genuine duende or goblin haunting. And there you go, Roy. Even after the apartment block was later torn down, the building standing in its place today affectionately bears the name. Edificio duende or goblin building.

Wow, for sure don't do that. You are only inviting them back in. Yeah, you're giving him what he wants. That's the goblin building today. Wow, just looks like a nice block of flats. Yeah. Let me tell you, I wouldn't mind living here. Goblin or no goblin.

Yeah. I mean, listen, the rent situation is so bad in London currently that if a goblin in the pipes knocks a few hundred off the bill every month, I'm in. Yeah, you could negotiate down that rental bill. I've lived with other roommates that I have almost never seen and only heard in London. So this actually wouldn't come as a surprise to me. Yeah, I've lived with roommates who I wish kind of violent, drunken yelling at 5 a.m. was all I heard, you know? Look, in the way of physical evidence, as this was a totally audio-based phenomena, photos

of the building don't exactly prove much. And whilst audio recording technology was very much in existence at the time, I guess portable versions wouldn't have been that common in smaller cities like Zaragoza at this time in history coming up on 100 years ago. It's so problematic to host an episode where the only important evidence in the case is all audio based and have no I have only pictures to show in today's investigation. I don't know man. That's hard. But would that have got you across the line on saying this was a yes? Is hearing a guy going cowards? Maybe. I don't know. I just don't know. It is said that

a local radio team did broadcast a recording of the voice at the time but no such audio has emerged. That, honestly, a radio broadcast in a provincial Spanish town in 1930. I don't expect there to be a SoundCloud link for that one. But look, other than the eyewitness testimonies and press reports, we don't have a strong portfolio of evidence today, right? But I was wondering, maybe, if just maybe, we could disprove the rational theory of what was happening here, that of unconscious ventriloquism, if by disproving that, we could actually prove the positive paranormal theory.

That's why, right now, Rory is going to learn to throw his voice like a ventriloquist. Oh, oh, okay. So we got to figure out what that would look and feel like, you know, to do the ventriloquism shit. And I think we all know what that word means. To me, ventriloquism is kind of up there with quicksand and, I don't know, jungle rope bridges, as things that I thought would be far more important as an adult than the, seemed as a child. They seemed incredibly important when I was a child. Yeah. And it's rarely come up since. Well, these do feel like two different things to me. Am I not wrong? Ventriloquy and

throwing a voice? Well, yeah. So I'm glad you're saying this to an extent because I think there was there's definitely a while in the 90s I remember in TV shows where throwing your voice was used as a plot device in like crappy TV shows where like I'm trying to think. Think. Think of like tinton would be tied up somewhere by a villain and then he'd be trying to like convince maybe not tintin but someone like that or Indiana Jones and they'd be like tied up and they'd be trying to convince the jailer to like let them go and then someone would be like watch this I'm gonna throw my voice and then they'd make it sound like a big scary guy was around the corner gonna you know oh you better let those guys out of this jail or I'm gonna come and get you

But they would throw their voice and make it seem like a voice is coming from somewhere else. And this would be a plot device and TV shows. So I think it was made to look like a really factual, literal thing that you could make. I could make my voice sound like it was coming from down that hallway. Yeah. Magic. Magic. Magic is real.

From my basic amount of research, it is the same thing as ventriloquism. It is just the simple act of making it look like you're not talking. and sure, making it sound like it maybe is coming from somewhere else. Okay. Okay. And I'm going to learn that today. Well, I'm going to start by showing you and the audience a little bit of what that looks like. If you're listening to this, you'll be able to hear it. And I guess you'll be able to just hear the purity of what that sounds like. Does it sound like it's coming from someone different than the speaker?

And if you're watching this on YouTube, Spotify or Patreon, you'll be able to see a top friend triliquist in action. Wow. All right. Check this out. Is this on? Because I have trouble with mics. People think of intruloquists can make anything talk. You hit me. Before, before I go any further. I said you hit me. Hello.

Hello. I hear a voice. Down here, turkey. The microphone? That's Mr. A Microweone to you. You're Mr. Microphone? You hit me. I think you broke my nose.

Right, you're a microphone. You don't have a nose. I did before you hit me. This is silly. Hey! Don't shout like that. That's my neck. Can I touch you here?

Do you know what that is? No, I don't want to know. I, uh, this is. So wait, wait. You get the idea. Yeah. That's, it's a guy on stage by himself, crucially, talking to a microphone,

speaking back to him, but it's the same guy. Yeah. I think. I really don't know. I really don't know. It was so good. It's really damn impressive.

Because you watch his mouth. That shit ain't moving. No, maybe there are micro movements that you could detect. There's a slight something going on. But at one point, breaking a smile as he's talking as the microphone. You know, he's mastered the art of, it's almost like an art of misdirection. He's like, he's, he's reacting obviously to his own words to make it seem like it's a two-way conversation. But it is remarkably impressive. Now, in some ways,

I guess in some ways it's a good example, some ways not. You wouldn't say this sounds like it's being thrown to a different location. And in fact, the tone of the microphone is so clearly his voice. Yeah. at a different pitch. Yeah. I suppose it gives you an idea of, it's definitely possible to speak without it looking like you're speaking. Yeah.

Yeah. So you're covering your mouth. Are you about to try this shit out? I don't know what you're talking about. Give Rory a raise. Who said that? Someone's agreeing with me off screen. I don't know who it is.

Rory works really hard. So just to be clear, what is me doing this going to prove today? day. What I'm saying is... That we need to execute that little girl because she did it? I think it's where she's dead. I think it's more of a...

It's more of a... I think if we can show how ridiculous this proposition is, that a little girl was somehow so miraculously professionally throwing her voice making it seem as if it was impossible that she was saying the words.

By all accounts, throwing her voice from down the street, because she wasn't there. Yeah. We can show how ridiculous that is. Maybe that will make this story seem more paranormal. Okay. That's the only logical explanation, apparently. I like it. I like it. I've got, of course, you know, we could just do this with your hand. You know, you could try it and try and move your hand like a shadow puppet. But I've gone one step further and I've got you a puppet to use. A real puppet for the podcast? A real life puppet. We got a little... We've got a guest in the studio today. Kermit the frog. Is it? Wow, that is Monsieur Kermit. Wow. He's looking a little wrinkled, a little worse for wear. I think he might have come on a kind of air freight from China, especially for this podcast episode.

He's pretty wrinkled up. Wow, hey, this is nice. This feels natural. I like this. It's been a while since Kermit's been on the podcast, or his voice at least. You want to give us a little. Hey, Roy. Hey, Kit.

Really good to be here. I'm a big fan of the podcast. and yeah, excited to do this experiment. Wow, that was good. That was good. I will say. I don't know. I don't think it was that good.

I think it was pretty good, actually. I think it's pretty great. Yeah, you could have held his face closer to the mic. Oh, sorry. Oh, sorry. So I guess the question is, Kermit, I mean, I guess we should just interview Kermit for a split second, but how's your 2026 going so far?

It's great. Thanks for asking Kit. It's great to be on the podcast. I don't do a lot of podcasts, so I just want to take this opportunity to say that, of course, Epstein didn't kill himself. Well, all right. His Fortnite account is actually still active days after he was allegedly hung in his cell. So. Well, Kerman, I got to be honest, actually, because Roy doesn't usually want to talk about this stuff. So I think me and you, we could do a little after party after this and probably sidebar was a pretty important shit. That actually sounds really good. I'd be up for that. Did you see that in the latest release of over one million emails, the Department of Homeland Security, they released, they did a press statement announcing his suicide. Yes. The date is marked. The day before his suicide.

They swapped him out. Woo! There's been a lot of revelations of this podcast and they aren't about Duendays. So let's talk about that. I like that you're getting animated just like Lee Kermit. We actually see I die at a lot of shit. Yeah. The David Powell!

Okay, okay, okay. Well, look, maybe we can bring this thing home by Rory. You've done a fantastic Kermit impression. You know, one that if this story were about Kermit himself being trapped in a stove, it would convince officials and punters in the street alike that Kermit was real and trapped in a stove. But in order to prove this, we need to see if it's possible. for you to do some of that voice but while not moving your mouth very much. Ooh, now that's a challenge. That's a challenge. Because I feel like I could do like

not move my mouth and do like a hey how's it going you know like wait okay drop Kerman let's focus on that that was can we get a close up that was actually pretty damn good right off the bat have you tried this before? Um you know I can't do this you definitely can't how's it good. That's pretty good a little muffly but it's still a little muffly but it's It has to be Towley's voice, doesn't it, from South Park? Don't forget a towel. But a Kermit one involves more...

It's quite a lot. It's kind of hard to do. Feel free to do towley. Can we just get even another attempt at kind of just... Okay. Trialiquism. Okay, let's see. You can...

You guys can review this. Audio listeners, you'll have to just trust whether or not this is impressive. Okay? Hello, my name is Rory. And I'm in Rory. too. That sound. That was pretty good. I will say that was pretty good.

Thank you. This is the wrong answer, though, for the end of the podcast. You know that right? I just proved that this is a double no. You proved that literally anyone could perform ventriloquism, apparently. It's actually a triple no on the podcast today, now that I'm here. I didn't know you were a Kermit or a skeptic. Wow.

All right. Well, hey, thank you, Kermit. We're going to, we'll talk on the after party afterwards. We got a lot to go through. I said there was a million emails. Okay. First to get on to. But look, I guess we better, at best we get her, wrap up this here podcast.

Sounds good. Look, Roy, we have gone through a pretty, I think you'll agree. A pretty mad case, you know, going through from nose to tail of these Aragoza stove goblin, from Pasquale discovering the voice in the first place, through the governor trying to shut it down, the police investigation all the way through to them sweeping the whole thing under the rug and trying to move on. And also, you know, the phenomenon itself also just petering out over time in the way that so many paranormal phenomenon do. Yeah. The only logical explanation ever given was unconscious ventriloquism, but maybe you have your own opinions. I don't know.

I feel like, uh, I feel like this is a, this is a very tough case to investigate. Um, As you said, it's a situation where, let's be real, the only thing that's happening is people are hearing a voice and they don't know where it's coming from. You know, this isn't even to the levels of poltergeist activity where shit is moving around a house or like paintings are flying off the walls or anything else like this

that we might see in a haunting case, a poltergeist case or a case where there's a spirit or an entity. So as far as I can tell, there's just a voice that we don't know where it's coming from. That's hard to decide whether it's paranormal or not. because that phenomenon can just happen that you can hear a voice and you don't know where it's coming from.

Obviously, this voice was in, this voice was for some reason so scary and weird and paranormal that it did create this big event and investigation. But I don't know. It's not a ton of evidence to go on today. Yeah. And as you say, it's just a fairly mundane

auditory phenomena, just the concept of someone talking. But you do wonder, you know, does it blow up and become this local phenomenon because it's slipping into the already well-worn groove

in Spanish culture of Duendez. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This thing exists. It's the same way we have Big Cats and the UK. That's a very UK-specific paranormal phenomenon is wild,

big cats every few years. Sometimes several times a year, there'll be tabloid stories about a lion, like the king of the jungle, spotted in like Birmingham town center. And this will spread like wildfire and the story will go everywhere. People will swear

down, they've seen it. But there isn't a ton of, there might have been the odd like zoo escape a few years ago or over the decades. But it's more that it, like I say, the story is so woven into the fabric of British society

that if someone sees one they go yeah that we've heard of that that's a thing yeah oh the big cat sightings around here and it happens every few years when there's never any evidence for the thing so I think similar here people are getting excited about it being a goblin I mean I think where I stand

on it is I don't have an explanation for why it took place but Kermit I do think that if you look at the other stories I mentioned earlier, Jeff the mongoose, corny, the Irish ghost. These are not stories that necessarily get double yeses on this paranormal life. True, true. They always fall apart some way. And I think

all they prove, probably, is that it must be possible to make a voice seem like it's not coming from where it's coming from. Yeah. It must be. Or something maybe a bit more simple that's unexplained where it's like there's a pipe somewhere that's someone speaking into that for some reason is going through the house and emanating from the room. Yeah. Rather than being a little goblin or something. Yeah. Yeah.

So look, at the end of every... Can I say something? Oh, sorry. Yeah. Is it what Epstein again or something else? No, no, no, no. Just, you know, at the end of the podcast, with the possibility of it being a goblin,

I just don't want anyone to get the wrong idea about little green guys, you know? Yeah. We're not all bad. We're not all little perverts. I've been happily married to Miss Piggy now for... 30 years. I mean, I wouldn't say happily. Doesn't she beat the shit out of you sometimes?

Well, sometimes she's a little rough, yes. Not in the bedroom, though. Right. Okay, right. It's just because you said you guys weren't perverts, but you're going real quiet. Are you okay? You good, bro?

Yeah. We can talk later if you want. It's fine. Yeah, be nice. Oh, okay. Sorry, man. Sorry, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to touch a nerve.

You're shaking. You're shaking. Oh, he's having a hug. Sorry. Sorry, yeah. We'll talk about this later. Yeah. Sorry, we brought up some memories or some shit.

Yeah, it's okay. It's a double no. It's a double no. For me and Kermit. He's smelling your shoulder, but he's sniffing your neck. Hey, you little freet. Ha ha! You know what, Roy, I feel a lot better if I had a hug.

A hug. Can you hug me into your armpit real quick? All right. It's a, it's a no from me, I think. Yeah, no from me. And it's a no for me, too. No, triple no on the Zaragoza stove goblin. Damn.

I think there's a couple listeners who just, whenever I mentioned the name of this episode, they skipped forward to the end and predicted correctly. It was a double no, triple no. Yeah. Those listeners will be vindicated when they skip forward right to the end and just heard Kermit the Frog impressions for the last five minutes. Yeah. Missed out, motherfucker.

Should I listen, shouldn't you? Yeah. Things got pretty exciting. We got the big guy. They did, yeah. We'll shake on that. Dap them up. We got to get a photo with the guest at the end of the show, yeah.

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Someone, I assume, can dislocate their voice from their mouth. Mm-hmm. Yep. We've just learned it can come in handy. You could bring an entire city to a standstill. Sorry, not to go Joker mode, but I think we could bring Los Angeles to a standstill with the right ventriloquist. Yes. So, you know, I'm not sure how we will utilize your skills in the commune, but keep in touch. Keep in touch. We just put them in a pipe. It's like, no, because I wasn't in a pipe. Put them in the pipe.

Thanks to Ash Parks. Ash Park is coincidentally, what we've named our kind of Forest Park in the commune after it burned on. Ash is cool too. Yeah. You know, it's still, hey, they talk about, you know, forest beings. anything. Ash is technically trees after the fact. Yeah. You know what I call ash? Fires Snow. That's what I call it. We should put that in a banner above the entrance to Ash Park. Because tell me something that you can do with snow you can't do with a lot of ash. You can make ash angels. You can throw ash balls. Can you make an ash man? Ashman is a real thing. If you live in districts four and five, don't stay out past eight o'clock. Because the Ashman is real. We think he started the fire. And this isn't Sean Connery saying he's not a boob man.

He's an ash man. We're talking about a real cryptid. Be really, be careful about him. I'm really more of an ash man. Thanks to Courtney Feeley. You know, it's probably a blessing that Courtney is, by all accounts, a woman, because having that last name as a man is tough. Mr. Feeley, that's a HR violation right there. That sounds like another cryptid we would investigate on this podcast before. Mr. Feely. So Courtney, hey, count your blessings. I'd say you alongside the dislocator,

I think we could find a couple of jobs for you. Sounds like we're assembling a team here. I'm putting together a team. Thanks also to Chris Fern. Chris Fern, we need to keep you away from naked flames or else you'll be Chris Ash within days in the commune. All right, we just need to, come on, let's get you a flame retardant vest on or something.

That was the original name for the Ash man. This is the regular guy called Chris Fern, and he wandered into the forest, which we told him not to go into. Boom, up in smoke. Now he's the ash man. Yeah. So I'm sorry it happened this way. Please stop burning down the little vegetation we have left in the commune. There's no oxygen left.

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located in Ash Park that we need you to get a head start on. We don't have a lot of manpower. It's just you for a not. We have ash manpower, which is what we don't need. So we do appreciate the support on Patreon. It's a great start. Yeah, you're a great start. You contribute a lot.

And we now just need a little more. A little bit more. Yeah. Which is two to 300 hours of community service where we're basically just going to give you a Henry Hoover and send you out into a field. Yeah. Good luck.

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They swapped them out. Thank you.