This Paranormal Life - The Woman Who Proved Reincarnation is Real - Shanti Devi

Episode Date: April 28, 2026

In 1930, a 4 year old girl in Delhi, India started to make some incredible claims, claims relating to the concept of reincarnation. As we’ll see these weren’t just the random babblings of an innocent child, the claims proved strangely accurate. Who was this little girl? And how did she convince Mahatma Gandhi himself that reincarnation is real? Time for Rory and Kit to investigate! Become a commune member to get access to bonus episodes:  https://thisparanormallife.com Follow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Join our Secret Society Facebook Community⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Buy Official TPL Merch!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Edited by Philip Shacklady Researched by Ewen Friers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Sure, some people have amazing memories recalling events from as far back as their years in nappies, but what if you could remember events from before you were born? What about memories of a previous life? How can you prove a past life is real? Have we all been reincarnated and we just don't remember? And would your partner still love you if you were a worm in your past? Life. Answers to these questions and more on this episode of This Paranormal Life. Hello and welcome to This Paranormal Life, the weekly comedy podcast where every Tuesday we investigate a

different paranormal tale, citing by the end of the episode, whether we think it's real or not. How are you doing today, Rory? Doing great. Exciting to be talking about the world of memory. As someone whose earliest memory is Wednesday, it's interesting to hear about people's people whose brains can contain more than 30 minutes of information. I think they say, no, let's take it to a dark place. I think they say if you don't have a good long-term memory, that's depression. Right, because I'm trying to forget all the things. Right.

It's like your brain is trying to do you a solid. Yeah. It's like, brain, why can I? It's like, you don't want to know. You don't want to know, Chief. People be like, oh, what did you do on the weekend? It doesn't matter. I don't remember.

So clearly wasn't that exciting. All right, E. Yeah. Doesn't matter. What is your earliest memory? Do you remember? My earliest memory is actually really sad. My earliest memory...

Okay, let's move on. We don't have time for that. No, go on. My earliest memory was driving away from our house in America. Right. And leaving to come to Ireland. Yeah. And my parents saying, because we used to live in this big old blue wooden house.

I remember my parents saying, everyone wave goodbye to the big blue house. And we turned around and we all went, poked our head through rows of suitcases and luggage and wave goodbye to it. No idea what was happening. I thought we were going to McDonald's or something. Yeah, you're like, weird? Why would I wave goodbye? Yeah, that's crazy. Next thing I know I'm in Belfast International Airport.

More confused than I've ever been before. Yeah. What an opening to the movie that is your life? Yeah. Yeah, what's yours? I think we've talked about this before because I think it's very interesting that yours involves a home move because I think mine was also a home move. What? A formative memories.

I can remember trauma, I think is what it's called. No, I remember. Remember when your dad kicked you out of the house, age five. I remember moving from cardboard box to cardboard box. I remember being in like a garage and it being full of boxes because we were. unpacking or stuff because while I didn't move around that much in my early years, my family did briefly move to Dublin. So I was in Dublin for like a year, a year and a half. My parents tell the joke that they're like, we thought we could make it work there until I started being like,

Roy, Mom, Roy Da, I'm going down the three here with my friends. And they were like, oh, Jesus, let's go home. Because I was like three years old. I fully went native. But yeah, I kind of remember all the boxes packed up and clearly just trying to get used to this new life. Didn't have to get used to it for long. We went back. I like they were like they couldn't put up with me having a strong Dublin accent.

They wanted something much more normal. So we moved to the north coast of Ireland. Yeah, yeah. Where I started saying, mommy. Mommy. Daddy? Can I get, give me 10 more minutes with the iPad, Mommy? Mommy, give me a f*** juice box.

Bedtime. Catcher. on, mommy. Mommy, I have made a peaceful and legitimate request to not go to bed and you are ignoring my legitimate request. So violence is the only

option. I bite her in the leg. She's like, Jesus. Back to Dublin, that's it. My sister gets to go to bed 30 minutes after me. All I want is a united bedtime. Damn.

Great. My brother did used to wear a balaclava, but only because he got really into, as a kid, got really into Tom Clancy's splinter cell. And he wanted to be a spy. That's pretty safe. So there were some balaclavas in the house, for real, for real. I was kind of hoping you were going to say your earliest memory was also moving home. And it was when you went from vagina to real world. Right.

It's like, that's pretty early for a memory. Yeah. It's kind of the first one you get. And some people do claim to remember being born. Which you would. That's kind of one of the most insane things we do as humans is come out of a vagina. Sorry, let's get started on today's episode. Let's come back to that because there is an interesting conversation there that involves UFO abduction. Anyway, I'm serious, deadly serious. Guys, welcome to the podcast. Welcome to this paranormal life. We do have a stonking investigation to get into, a lot to get through today. But,

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Now is the time. Check it out. Go get your little free trial. Try before you buy. Rory, have you ever had visions of a past life? Nope. I have. Oh. While on ayahuasca.

I don't remember much, but I was definitely Chinese. Okay. 100%, which is, let's face it, more believable than most people's past live memories. Because everyone says, like, yeah, I like talk to like a regressive hypnotist. Yeah.

turns out, I was an Egyptian prince. It's crazy I know, but I was Boy King Tutankhamun. Not me. I was farming in Yunnan province 2,000 years ago. Okay, because I was going to ask, and I'm worried about the answer, how did you know you were Chinese? I didn't look in a mirror. You're right. I didn't look in the mirror in the vision. It was more that I was, it felt like the whole thing was taking place in China. I might be wrong. I've never been to China. Okay, cool. But I was on a lot of ayahuasca. So it's like even saying I was in a place at all is a reach. Right, yeah.

I was kind of in a kind of tesseract style matrix that looked like Earth. But was it? It could have been a different planet entirely. You'll be glad to know we're not talking about my past life memories today. We're talking about someone else. We're going to explore the phenomena of reincarnation with what is considered one of the most incredible stories of past life memory. the story of Shanti Devi. Listeners should know as well.

I told Kit that was ayahuasca. I just gave him a blue Gatorade. There was no drugs in it at all. I just got my hiccups were so crazy. I thought I was taking plant medicine. Born in 1927 in Delhi, India, Shanti Devi was a totally normal infant. She lived in a Delhi suburb with her mother and father, and at first she showed no signs of the extraordinary.

and was into normal kid stuff, teddy bears, toy cars, ancient Egyptian amulets, all the run-of-the-mill stuff. Sure. However, when she was around four years old, she started to display strange behavior. It was around this age that Shanti started talking about her husband and her child. Ooh, okay, call the police. Definitely. How old is this individual? Four? Yep, for sure, called the police. Now, obviously, her parents hoped this was just a fact.

phase like emo music or riding a scooter and assumed this was just something she'd picked up from a story. They mostly ignored it. But this strategy didn't work exactly. In fact, it had the opposite effect. Shanti brought up the subjects more and more. As the months went by, she started to go into further detail too. She talked about her, quote, life before. And started to give details that were harder and harder to explain away as something she just picked up from a children's story. imagine it got super specific 21st February 1916 I stormed the front line of the Battle of Verdun

The parents are asking the doctor Is it normal for a child to talk about the Battle of Verdun The doctor's like, lady, she's won She shouldn't be talking at all It is true It's like the whole thing is so borderline Because kids have great imaginations They talk about crazy stuff all the time

That isn't true Yeah As long as it all stays like above water And like above board and kind of cute and cool, it's all fine. Like even if my daughter started talking about her before life, you would take a deep breath and a big pause and you'd be like, go on and you pray.

She starts talking about, you know, the light and floating around the clouds and stuff. Right, yeah. Yeah, because you were in heaven right before you came to us. Yeah, so cute. Aw. Yeah. You text your mom, you know,

oh, isn't it so cute what she said today? But if the before life, she's like, it was black. It was hot. I climbed a thousand. thousand years to reach the surface where you mortals call earth. Yeah. That's enough. What do you remember, sweetie?

The screams. Mostly the screams. I'm picking up the evidence phone, Phil. Can you please bring up the first image? We just have a little image of Shanti herself. As you can see, she's just a sweet girl. She looks older than four here. Way older.

This is taken down the line, I think. Come on, just a sweet, innocent child. Okay, so the parents think, let's stop ignoring the girl. Clearly, the silent treatment isn't working here. Let's listen. What does she have to say? Shanti claimed that in her previous life, she lived in Matura, a smaller city, almost 200 kilometres away from Delhi.

According to her, she lived there with her husband, a cloth merchant. She gave specific details about his appearance, saying, quote, he was fair and had a big wart on his left cheek and wore reading glasses. She even specified where her husband's shop was located. She gave specific details about the building and street all in a city she'd never been to. Hmm. One American researcher and pioneer of regression therapy, Carl Bowman, met and studied Shanti. She wrote about this period.

Quote, The parents first considered it a child's fantasy and took no notice. They got worried, however, when she talked repeatedly about it. And over time, narrated a number of incidences connected with her life in Matura, with her husband. At meals, she would say, ah, in my house in Matura. mature, I ate different kinds of sweets. Sometimes when her mother was dressing her, she would tell her what types of dresses she used to wear. As the years passed, Shanti's claims became more grave.

By six years old, she had described her own death, which she claimed had happened nine days after giving birth. This is why kids have iPads now, by the way. I know we say cocoa melon isn't good for kids, but like it's better than this. Yeah. Sometimes too much imagination. is a bad thing. This is crazy. If I did claim to have a past life as a child, I probably would have said in my past life I was a Power Ranger and I lived with the Telitubbies on Planet Namak with Goku and Freezer. Yeah. That would be the extent of my imagination. This is getting

oddly specific. It is. A little too much. Imagine this was just the difference, but sometimes parents will joke about the differences between like girls and boys as children. It's probably BS, but Like, the joke being that, like, boys can be more boisterous, can be more tricky, let's say, to raise or something that they're more out there. There would be something kind of funny about, yeah, the girl of the family just being kind of like wise beyond her years somehow. And being like, I lived in an ancient city just a couple hundred kilometers from here. I raised a family of six. And the boy is just like, so then he man and Skeletor and me went to Andromeda and we stone cold stunned. The Red Power Rangers through a planet.

It went, puss. Hey, let me tell you, I growing up, I was a summer camp counselor for both all boys camp and then directly afterwards, the all girls camp. Boys are angry

and aggressive. Right. And loud. And you think that would be the hardest thing to deal with. Girls are evil. Right. The things that were happening

at the girls camp, I could not believe. leave borderline psychological warfare, rumors, whispers, groups forming in secret, like lies being spread. It was so... They were like waterboarding each other in the middle of the mountains. Because the boys would just like, just punch each other and throw rocks. Right. And the odd sectarian slur, you know, but the girls camp, I was like, I don't know how to deal with this. This is, this is beyond me. So I'm not surprised that even in today's case, this individual is like reaching a level of complexity that the boys probably wouldn't.

You know, and it's in your situation, it kind of makes sense that like you just aren't equipped to deal with it either. So like, you know, maybe if there had been, you know, a woman as a counselor there instead of you, she'd be like, I mean, I know how to navigate the psychological warfare of the girls, but these boys, they're just physically fighting each other. Whereas you're like, it's nothing. You just push their little foreheads apart. Yeah, knock it out. Yeah, yeah. You know, you knew how to handle. lap. And Shanti's request continues. She asked her parents repeatedly to take her to Mathura. Instead, they brought her to the family doctor. Yeah. Most kids want to go to Disneyland.

He was amazed. He found that six-year-old Shanti was able to recount her own pregnancy, as well as described, quote, many details of the complicated surgical procedures surrounding her death. Is she still four? Six. Okay, six now. Despite the doctor's amazement, she, Shanti's parents still seemed nervous and made no effort to look into her claims regarding a husband in Mathura, his shop, their son, and all the specific details Shanti had revealed. So Shanti took matters into her own hands. She packed a small suitcase and decided to run away.

She left the house on foot and was found a few miles away asking people how to get to Matura. Once she tried to run away, the story kind of got out to the community and it started to cause a stir. not just because she tried to run away, but because when she was picked up, she was using like, matura-specific dialect and phrases. This detail alone strengthened her case to the public. What? Yeah. Okay, this is probably a good time to kind of zoom out and talk a little bit about reincarnation itself in general. It's something we've talked a little bit about on the podcast before, but not in tremendous depth. But for anyone uninitiated reincarnation, this is a spiritual concept and I would argue, paranormal concept of someone being reborn in a different body after they die. It argues that the soul

is immortal and it doesn't vanish after biological death. It just, quote, transmigrates into a newborn baby or an animal. It's almost like souls are Bitcoin. There's only a certain amount of them and they've all been mined already so they just have to be shared around. I feel real bad for the motherfuckers who ended up in me. That kind of sucks. If you've been kind of like barreling through the universe for hundreds of thousands of years and then your consciousness reaches this vessel. Right. Fueled solely by Diet Coke and paracetamol.

Right. There's kind of like, there's like an ancient Aboriginal Australian man who ended up in you and you're like, well, I hope you like KFC and jacking off because that's order of the day for the rest of my life. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I feel a little bit bad. I'm maybe not fulfilling his.

his soul in the way it would want to be. Yeah, but then it gets trippy, isn't it, when we get into what I just mentioned there, which is it's not even strictly limited to humans. Hey, but you know what it's comparable to? Basically, reincarnation is you're on a big road trip with your buddies. And when I'm in the driving seat, I get to pick the music. I think you get to pick everything.

You guys are in the back seat, you know, but I get to decide where we go and what we listen to. You had your chance. When you were driving, you were maybe like an ancient warlord that stormed through villages and fought for your country. I have a podcast. It's just the way things have shaken out. I like to make funny videos on the internet and I really like Guinness. And like, do you think there is any animal that speaks to you? There might be some kind of genetic memory. Because I've always said you're a rat. It's true. He has always said that. I never thought about that in the context of reincarnation, but now I'm like, maybe that. Maybe I wasn't being mean. Maybe I was seeing your past life. Yeah, I don't know if there's a specific...

A worm, a snake, any of the above, you know. I don't know if I have a spirit animal per se, specifically. But every week, a couple of times a day, I will eat ants. Really? So I don't know if that's... Well, there is only... There's a few animals that eat it, but there's one animal that's famous for it. Say more.

I'm going to blow your mind here. Have you ever heard of the ant eater? Oh my God. Jesus. My eyes go white. You summoned me? Or he just starts snuffling around. But as far as a spiritual or supernatural belief goes, reincarnation is pretty damn mainstream.

Traditionally, reincarnation is believed within Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism, some areas of Judaism, paganism, indigenous American culture, Aboriginal Australian culture, all the way back to the ancient Greeks. which is kind of blowing my mind. I thought it was more located to like Hinduism or maybe a couple of religions, but it seems like it's more popular than it's not. That's pretty cool. Yeah. Good to know.

Yeah. Christianity? Absolutely not. No. No. One and done. And then you go meet the big man upstairs. Yeah.

There's no reduced, reuse, recycle souls. It's like single use plastics up in here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. It is, that is interesting, isn't it? Because also, yeah, Islam?

No. So it's like the Abrahamic religions almost, although Judaism is Abrahamic. But yeah, it's like Christianity and, it's like Christianity and Islam. They're not into it. And there is something kind of individual about Christianity, isn't it? It's like, it's kind of this vibe of like, obviously we work together. But like you're kind of, it's about saving your own soul type thing. Yeah. And very, there's kind of, at least in the modern era, there's kind of like a personal responsibility for you to sort of out, mate. Yeah. You know, and. And. And if you do wrong, you'll be sent to hell. You'll be damned. Yeah, yeah. Whereas I'll explain to you now how some of the others are completely different. Because I guess my hunch about it being central to Hinduism is not totally off because while it is believed around the world, rebirth is a particularly Indian belief. It's very core to the major Indian religions.

It's believed that the continuous cycle of rebirth has been taking place for thousands of years and it's called samsara. and that it's each individual's ultimate spiritual goal to escape samsara the cycle of death and rebirth and to reach nirvana which I think I kind of knew it's like in Buddhism it's like we're all dying and being reborn

but we're trying to not be respawned which as a retired Overwatch player I deeply understand the idea that the only way to win is to leave the game okay but it's kind of a weird one It's unintuitive. It's like, you know, the concept is that being in this world is pain. Sure.

That was the Buddha's big thing. It's suffering. So he was like, you want to end the suffering by meditating so hard, you freaking transcend. So where is the point of reincarnation come in? Transcending, that's the 1% or the 1%. No one's doing that. We're all being reborn. Oh, got it.

The default is what we're assuming is that you're a piece of shit and your karma is bad. and you still haven't worked it out. It takes thousands of years to figure out your karma. Right. So the ultimate goal is repeating this cycle enough times that I disappear like a ghost. Yeah. That sucks. Does it?

Yeah, kind of. But you enjoy your life. Yeah, that's why I want to keep doing it. I don't want to nail it so hard that I disconnect from the lobby. Yeah, but didn't you hear me? You have thousands of years here. Okay. You know what I mean?

Yeah. So I feel like after like 2,000, you're going to be like, all right, what are we doing here? It makes sense that this has Indian origins because in the end, it doesn't even matter. Cut that from the boycott, got that. That's what Buddha famously sat under the Bodhisattva tree and said... He said, I tried so hard, and got so far. But in the end... It doesn't even matter.

Look, and just in case you're at home panicking because you're hearing this for the first time time and you want to know how to escape the cycle of death and rebirth, the answer is yoga. Oh, all right. I think we all kind of knew that deep down. We've all been putting off starting yoga. Yeah, I know it's good for me. I don't want to do it. Yeah. You know what else is great? Stretches, vegetables, water. I don't have any of those either, so. But I should remind y'all that the yoga that we know in the West is only one type of yoga. I don't remember what it is. Okay. Is it Hatha yoga? Maybe. I don't remember. It's one of the yogas. There's lots of other yogas. Like there is.

is Bhakti yoga, which I think is devotional yoga. And that's like the concept that you've heard about, you know, of like, remember when the Beatles went to India? Yes. The idea would be that by devoting your life to a guru and living in a cave and meditating 16 hours a day, that would be another type of yoga to totally transcend your earthly form. Right. Focus and send to yourself to come back and write some of the worst music ever made. Bro, f***le beetles. Anyway, that's why we're never going to Nirvana because we hate the Beatles. Hey, give me a call when there's a form of yoga that gives me the ability to fold another guy in half. That's what I want to be able to do.

Phil's about to quit his job over there in the corner. He's hating this. All right, that's a little bit of background of reincarnation. Let's get back to our hero. We just left as she tried to run away, which failed. And by the way, a kid running away from home will never not remind me of that one episode of Wife Swap, US, with King Curtis. Did you ever see the episode with King Curtis? They'll play the clip of King Curtis.

There's no way this is evidence in today's case. It's just funny. Curtis. I won't be coming back until Saturday when you leave. She's going to try to stop me, but she can't run those little high heels. See this face again. Curtis makes a dramatic return. I'm back ready to tell her who's boss.

King Curtis. In North Carolina, furious with Joy's rule changes, Curtis has left the house. After spending a few hours at his grandma's house eating chicken nuggets, he has decided to return home. I'm back when ready to tell her who's boss. Nick, King Curtis. Where's Joy? How's my favorite bit is he's like, I'm running away from home forever. The narrator's like, after three hours, his grandmother's house eating chicken nuggets, he returns to his home.

I have to assume that's what I sounded like before we moved. to Ireland. I probably sounded exactly like Curtis. Yeah, when me and you met in primary school, I was like, I was like, Roy, may, how's it going, me? And you were like, anyone got any grits around here? I'm hankering for some southern food. After vegan chicken nuggets at Kit's house, Rory returned home. But like King Curtis, Shanty's escape didn't work. But the attempt had an important effect. People heard about it, and it inspired someone to research her story. further that someone was her school headmaster Lala Chand.

You've heard of Lala Land. Meet Lala Chand. First thing Chand attempted to do was establish the name of Shanti's husband in her previous life. While she had claimed for years she had a husband, she would never say his name, which was allegedly customary in India at the time. You might not say your husband's name in public. Oh. But the headmaster was like, look, I'm trying to help you.

here and she said, fine. Kerdanath Chaube. After making some inquiries, he couldn't believe it when he heard back from Mathura. They found a Kedernat Chaube. Not only that, the man was a cloth merchant. His shop was located exactly where Shanti had described, and his wife had indeed died,

and she had died nine days after giving birth exactly as Shanti said. Whoa. This is a hard truth bomb. for Kedarnat to swallow. He didn't know what to think. Who was this little girl that knew so much about him and his family? I would be so angry if I was that guy. If you get a phone call one day where it's like,

hey, remember your wife who was supposed to be dead? Yeah. We found her. You what? Yeah. But I mourned her. I buried her. She's been gone for nine years.

She's alive. What? You're kidding. Where is she? How do you know this? Who are you? We can bring her to you. Really? Yes. Okay, I'll give you my address. Of course, her and her parents will be there. Hold on. Matter of dates. Her parents died like 20 years ago.

Nope. No, no, parents are alive. She will be, we'll be dropping her off with her iPad and her toys. Wait, dropping off, could she not drive? She loved driving. She has a little car with pedals that she uses to drive around the garden. It's like, oh, she's going to be hungry, so have her favorite snacks ready. Right. Her bedtime is 7.30. And she's really into the beetle borgs right now.

She's shrunk. She has shrunk since you last saw her. I'd be so offended. I would be like, get the fuck of here. What are you talking about? Could it really be? His beloved wife, Lugdi, is living on in the body of a child? I understand this is like potentially beautiful and paranormal and spiritual.

But FYI to anyone this happens to, just say no. You can't be meeting children who say they're your reincarnated wife. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Don't do that. You're going to end up on an episode of like, what is it, to catch a predator? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

They're going to be like, oh, you plan on meeting your wife, dude? Right, my reincarnated wife. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Your wife. And maybe Kedarnat knew that because he didn't meet her. And instead, he sent his cousin to scope out the situation. Smart. And this little girl borderline dad.

He tapped up his cousin like, what's cooking B? You think you can hook me up with a ride back home? I'm stuck living with these squares in Delhi, you feel me? He thought, that weirdly is how Lugdi talked. But he said, look, kid, if you're Lugdi, tell me something that only Lugdi would know. Smart. She thought for a second. Still six years old, by the way.

Then said, okay, in the back garden behind the tree, I buried some money a few years ago. Whoa. And sure, as shunuchy, sight it was there. No way. That was enough to convince Kedarnat to meet Shanti. I would love it if it was like, tell me something only his wife would know. It's like, okay, well, I know that when you were 17 years old, you and your uncle went on that hunting trip.

That's enough. No, no, it's her. It's her. It's her. It's all good. It's all good. It's just to keep it turn. No, the hunting trip where you said that he... That's enough! That's enough!

That's enough. We're good. We're good. It's like something only I would know. Don't share this, but Ked or not has a micropenus. It's like everyone knows that. Really? Oh.

It was common knowledge. How did you know that about the camping trip? Reincarnation. My uncle's back. No, I reincarnated. I'm going to kill him. I'll kill him for what he did on the trip. As I say, that was enough to kill him.

convince Kedarnatel to meet Shanti. And like, I'll give it to him. I know it's a little weird, but you're emotional. Your wife is gone, was gone. For years though, right? Like a long time. Well, nine years. It is, well, more at this point.

It's probably 15 years. Yeah. Because that is an interesting wrinkle to the story is, where was she for nine years? Right, just floating around. Yeah, up there somewhere. Yeah. Long story short, everyone involved was won over.

As soon as Shanti met Kedarnath, she dropped so much lore that only Lugdi would know that they decided there was no other explanation. When she met her son, Navnit, that she said she died after giving birth to, she was overcome with emotion. And even though her current form was younger than her son, she gave him all her toys and got her mum to make his favorite foods for him. Where do you go from here? It's weird, bro. We shouldn't have brought them together. Dude. I think this has gone on long enough.

How does this day end? Oh, Rory, it doesn't stop there. It does not stop there. When it hits 5pm and like it's getting a dark? Like, where do you, what do you do now? Like, well, what do you do if you're the fucking her parents? You're like, you're coming home with us though, right? No, really?

You have school in the morning. Yeah, this is so bad. No one should have indulged this. Yeah. No one should have indulged this at all. It's almost like deeply uncomfortable. It's almost like, you know, also in similar spiritual terms, it's like one of the gnarliest things that we do as humans in the modern age is the whole rigmaral of the Dalai Lama. We don't really think about the Dalai Lama much.

We're like, sure, he's a kind of spiritual, you know, leader like the Pope. Or it's like, yeah, not really like the Pope. Because the Pope is a regular guy up until a point. You know, like Pope Leo, the 14th. He was a guy. He grew up in America. He lived all around the world. He had a career in the church.

And then one day, he makes the ultimate call, gets the call as this ultimate servant of God to become Pope. The Dalai Lama is very different. They believe in reincarnation so hard that the moment the Dalai Lama dies, they start looking for the next Dalai Lama. That's pretty cool. As a boy. Yeah, it's basically the plot of Avatar,

The Last Airbender. Yes. You are the Avatar. You're born again. Very cool. And they, and they like, it's like a fucking job hire. They like put out the,

well, they don't put out a poster, but they like search the countryside. They're searching in schools for the child with great promise. It's literally like the goddamn Jedi Academy. It's cool. I like it.

It is. But it's a tough break. That's what I was getting to. It's a tough break for the kid and their family. Because what if you're the parents of the child? And you're just like, bye-bye. Bye-bye forever. It's like, who's going to run the farm? That's a bad opinion to have as a parent. No, but well, that's how the world works. It's like you have kids. And it's like, yeah, we want our family to grow up for us to all work together. And it's like, you just don't, you don't have a son anymore. Yeah, but you'd be pretty stoked that your son is now the Dalai Lama. It's not like, you. Like now your daughter is just living with a stranger and a child running a shop in the middle of nowhere. At least it's become one of the most famous individuals in the world. Yeah, but the comparison. You probably never have to worry about anything ever again. Although I did watch the documentary about the new Pope Leo 14th and the whole thing.

And like, that's what some of the Cardinals were saying. They were like, dude, it's heavy when you become the Pope. Like, they were like, there's no more family time. It's like you're gone. There's no, you'll never have a private moment for the rest of your life. Yeah. Never hang out with your family. You'll never so much as go on holiday.

You'll never just live. You'll never be a human being again. You'll be in constant service for the rest of your life. It's heavy duty, bro. Doesn't you get to fly around like eating ice cream though and shit? I mean, it's fun stuff. But like, but like, you know, it's like, I don't like the royal family. I still think their job is like heavy in some ways like, you know, the late queen.

It's like, do you know how many people she had to like, meet on a daily basis and just, you know, you have a lot of duties. It's very strange. It's like, I'm not saying I have sympathy for them, but it's just, it's heavy, you know, you're, less so the royal family. But if you're the Pope or one of these spiritual leaders, you're, yeah, you're just working the rest of your life. It's part of the job. Yeah. It's what you sign up for, yeah. Well, yeah, but they don't sign up for it. They, they, well, the Pope does. The Dalai Lama doesn't. And the Pope kind of. Well, the Dalai Lama does, though, because they don't. If a bunch of people are But as a boy, they don't pick it at all.

But they're like, you're the Dalai Lama. And if the kid's like, no, I'm not and I don't want to be. And I don't believe in any of this. They're not going to go, you're coming with us. No, because I think, I think it's like the Pope. I think if you say, it's not me, they go, oh, but the scriptures foretold, the boy would refuse three times before being chosen. Then we know it's like if you watch the f*** in the movie about them selecting the Pope,

what's it called again? Conclave. Yeah. It's like, the number one. one way to convince people you're the guys to be like, I couldn't possibly. I couldn't possibly but is that really true? Because like that the process of picking the pope is like 20 dudes all fighting the hardest to become the pope. It's like the ultimate thing is to be the pope. It's a bit of both. It's a bit of both. Some people attack it as like I'm going to convince people to get on my

side. Yeah. Try and form a little alliance. And then some people I think do genuinely kind of refuse it. But they don't just like put the crown on some like the janitor and be like, he has chosen. And the janitor's like, no, no, please. Like the Pope knows what he's signing up for. Well, I only agree from the perspective of the Pope knew the day they became a cardinal. Right. You know, they were on a path. They became a cardinal.

They had already, at that point, already devoted their life to God from such a young age that they knew it was a ultimate possibility. Yeah, yeah. You're signing up for it. Kind of. But not the boy. I don't agree with the... You can't tell me the Dalai Lama. signs up to be the Dalai Lama. He's picked as like a

seven-year-old. I don't agree with that. That's ridiculous. Come on. He's not forced into it. Yes, he basically is. He's, if we want to, let's throw out the G word, groomed, groomed to be the Dalai Lama. I just, I can't believe Roy's saying someone consents. Oh,

it's interesting, Roy thinks children can consent at age seven. That's interesting. That's enough. That's an interesting word for him to say. All right. As I say, they all met up. They got on like a house on fire. It wasn't all roses, however, because Shanti had to slap her old husband on the back of the head for remarrying after he promised on her deathbed he would never remarry. This is so weird.

I hate this. So he has a wife? He has a wife. He has a new wife. Which is good. Yeah, very good. Which is great. Because he can't marry a child.

He thought he got away with that shit. He was like, I know I did mean it at the time. But like nine years passed and things changed. She'll never find out. Next thing you know, a six-year-old is, like, beating them up. No man whose wife passes away thinks the wife is gonna be, like, that's a, that is like, NBA major league levels of holding a grudge is you get reincarnated to beat up your husband. You're so mad.

And Rory, here is a really weird photo of a man reunited with his reincarnated wife in the form of a child. I don't want to see this. Oh, this is, this is, I hate this. this. It's don't make it weird. This is beautiful. Don't make it weird. Don't make it weird. Read that sentence back. It's not like they live together man and wife for the rest of their lives. He has a new wife. He's just having a sweet moment with his reincarnated dead wife.

What happens now? Keep reading. Keep reading for the love of God. Before you agree to the whole thing. It's fine. He looks so scared that this is happening. Yeah. Yeah. Bro, his life is over. His life is over. The press are like, buddy, buddy, let us get a picture of you and your wife. Reincarnated wife. Jesus, for the love of God.

Put reincarnated in the article. Yeah. This is not my wife, everyone. It is, but it is. The whole day he's walking around like a football player that's trying to prove they didn't file somebody. He's just like, oh, hey, lovely to meet you. You can see this, right? I am not looking at anyone.

I'm not touching anyone. I'm going to close my eyes. Oh, she hugged me. She hugged me. She initiated. And that's unrecipricated. Yeah. This is like the classic Bill Burr bit about how like in the 2020s, in the modern age, he's like, get your f*** kids away from me.

I don't want to see him. I don't want to look at them. I don't need someone accusing me of looking at a kid, talking to a kid. No. It's not worth it to me to talk to a strange kid. By now, Shanti's story had spread far and why. And at this point in time, newspaper production had also exploded across India, so this shit was more viral than Charlie bit my finger. Of course, as we discussed, it exploded in large part because reincarnation was and is a foundational idea in India,

which is probably why it was here that the authorities stepped in. And not for the reason you might think. I. Not to break it up, but an official public inquiry was organized by none other than Mahatma Gandhi himself. Wow, wow. The formal committee investigating Shanti's claims was made up of lawyers, journalists, intellectuals, as well as public and political figures. This borderline fellowship of the fucking ring, of prominent figures, 15 people, in fact,

finally persuaded Shanti's parents to let her travel to Matura with them by train. And the committee followed Shanti around, traveling to the city, meeting with her family from her past life. And she's basically the mayor of the city. She's fist bumping everyone. It's like a Zoran Mamdani rally. Everyone's happy to see her. She's like, see that old man over there?

Ask my father-in-law, nice one. And then after she'd made allegedly 24 verifiable claims, the official government report concluded that, quote, Shanti Devi was indeed the reincarnation of Luke D. Devi. Wow, that's an official ruling. Government report sanctioned by Mahatma Gandhi and worked on by 15. public, intellectuals, academics, and political figures.

Wow. I mean, you know, government investigating the paranormal is not exactly new here. You know, when we think about MK. Ultra, different US three-letter organization programs. We have Nick Pope in Britain and the Ministry of Defense UFO files. Yeah. Loss of government reports into paranormal things. But I think an official report into reincarnation is this is the first and only time. Genuinely, yeah. We have a lot of governments to investigate UFOs and aerial phenomenon.

But rarely do we have official government bodies investigating things like ghosts, poltergeist, reincarnation, more spiritual issues. Yes. So I got handed to them. I'm glad they brought in some, you know, some heavy hitters for this case. Exactly. And it does make sense for somewhere like India. There are certain countries that are like kind of, you know, ethno states. And like India is complicated because it harbors many religions, but at various times it's been ruled, but it might be a predominantly Hindu government or whatever.

And I assume at this time it was a predominantly Hindu government. So you kind of have this weird thing where the politics is intertwined with spiritual belief. So it makes sense that all the officials are on board with like, this is kind of of national interest for us to prove that reincarnation is real. Yeah. I usually do. firmly believe in a separation of church and state, but I will make an exception in this instance because it's kind of cool. And in general, I do love this kind of official report is really cool because this is happening in, I think, to recap the 1930s. And it feels like it doesn't even belong in the 20th century. Like this definitely couldn't happen today. Even as spiritual and religious

as India is today and as kind of nationalistic as it is, it still just wouldn't happen for one reason or another, I think, I don't know. But it feels crazy that less than 100 years ago, this is kind of, I don't know, what governments were commissioning reports into. Now, Rory, I can see Rory's tents. He doesn't know where to put himself because he wants to, I suppose, ensure Shanti's safety in all of this. As for the rest of what Shanty's life looked like,

well, she went on to lead a pretty normal life. occasionally being interviewed or studied over the years, she ultimately moved to Europe and, I think, married and died in 1987. She, her story is still one of the most widely accepted cases of reincarnation. Even a critic of Shanti's Swedish writer Stur-Lonerstrad, who later visited India to disprove her claim, stated, quote, this is the only fully explained and proven case of reincarnation there has been. Bill, I think we have one more photo of an updated Shanti shortly before she died as an older lady. A normal lady.

Hello, I will say we do need an update as to where the new Shanti Devi is because she died in 1987, that means she's been reincarnated as a millennial. Wow. Can we check the Pokemon Go server to see if there's a user called Shanti Devi maybe, make sure she's not still alive somewhere?

So after all this, reconnecting with her husband and her child and living this past life and the legal confirmation that actually happened. Everyone just went, damn, that's crazy, and then just moved on. Isn't that what you wanted? Yeah, kind of, but it just feels, it feels like it's not what they wanted. But what else would you have done?

I don't know. I don't know. This whole story is so weird. What is her, like, as an adult, does she retain all those memories or has it changed now to be like, oh yeah, I do remember all those weird, like that weird stuff from my childhood. anyway. What's her current opinion on that whole ordeal? Well, she's dead. So she's not of a current opinion. But at the end of her life, no, she was still fully, it's a great question. Did she always embody those same views? I believe she did. She was interviewed, I think,

as late as four days before she died. Wow. And talked about her past life memories and different things. So yeah, she did fully embody it. It is, it's a good point, right? Because I feel like I've ramped this up to like this crazy thing. And it was a fever pitch. at the time. But if you zoom out and really think about it, nothing is to be done. It is more that it was investigated as an incredible cosmological feat that she remembered this beautiful thing from a past life. It proved everyone's spiritual and religious beliefs to be true. It kind of created this, you know, national swell of pride and interest. But ultimately, the universe and the spirits decided that she should be reincarnated in a new body with a new family. If you, you know,

if you, the religious belief would say that, no, but you have a new family. Your karma is to grow up in this new family with new parents, new brothers and sisters. It's not to go back and like you've unfinished business with your old family. No, you simply remember it. And that's what's beautiful about it. But there's nothing to be done otherwise. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. I can see that. So, you know, she's, uh, after all that, she's stuck. in the cycle of death and rebirth, stuck in the cycle of samsura, which is crazy.

It's like, that must be weird. You know, if you're her, it's almost as if remembering your past life, but still being reborn, is like Neo never took the red pill,

but he still woke up in the goo for like 30 seconds. Yeah, yeah. He was like, what the fuck is up? And then he goes back to just being a programmer. They put him back in the goo. And then he's like,

what was that? Yeah, yeah. No explanation, just has to move on with his life. Yeah, didn't wipe all the files before they rebooted her. Yeah, man. There's still some stuff left over.

Which, honestly, you know, I understand we're talking about something so deep and philosophical and spiritual and supernatural and paranormal. It's almost like defunct even getting into like normally on a podcast might talk about theories, what could be happening. Yeah. I mean, dude, it's too deep. It's like it's either we know what's happening and her soul transmitting. migrated into the body of a new child and reincarnation is real or what? Like, is it even physically possible for it to be a hoax? We could say it's a hoax. That's the word we use. But would a child, how could a child gather this knowledge of another city and another person in another

place? It's pretty crazy stuff. In my mind, the way to understand this is when you're eating a bunch of really messy tacos. And while you're, eating one taco, bits of it are falling off into the tacos below. And then you, once you're done, you eat those tacos that unknowingly contain pieces of the first eaten taco. And it's kind of this beautiful cascading flow of trickle-down ingredients, all creating one taco. I like that this is your like Californian surfer bro religion. You're like, my dude, think of you like two tacos. So you just went to a taco truck in San Diego down by the pier. And imagine the freaking casidias.

The barbaco, a chicken, dude, fell out of the shell for a split second. I'm assuming at least 60% of our audience really didn't understand what was happening today until I used the taco analogy. Right. There's a couple of stoned guys who just went, oh my God, dude. Yes, dude. So hopefully that helped explain the phenomenon to you. Although I thought your analogy was in. interesting because also that could be interpreted as like the whole thing is just a mistake that like,

right? That like, you're like, wait, how did this end up in this taco? It's like, it fell. You didn't see it, but it fell and it happened. It was just an accident. I kind of like the idea that God is a little messy. Right. He's just like, he's doing the best he can, but like bits are spilling over. He can't reset everyone perfectly. He's like, God, you just reincarnated a girl like 200 miles from where she used to live. Aren't we supposed to like split him out or like put her? into like a snail's brain or something. And he's like, it just happens sometimes. There's not enough space on this planet.

You know, I kind of say there aren't any other theories, but there kind of are, and there are even just other paranormal ones. You could kind of go on endlessly talking about this. Like there are other paranormal, weird, strange instances where, you know, take examples, like famous instances where someone will have a heart transplant.

And then they claim to now contain the memories of that person, the donor's past life, even though they never could have known that person's life. and experiences. You know, it's like, is that what happened here? Maybe it's not reincarnation, but it's like someone along the line, like, you know, Shanti Devi's, you know, they had a blood transfusion from the family, someone connected to the

other family and then the epigenetic memory ended up in her DNA. Some crazy shit like that could be happening too that isn't as spiritual, but it's still kind of supernatural and weird. Could be. Could be. but I like it, Rory, is God messy. Look, at the end, I don't think we should, I think we could, we could keep talking,

but it would just be 3am, bong rip stoner chat. We're not getting any closer than our gut instincts here on the podcast. At the end of every episode of this paranormal life, we have to decide whether we think this case is paranormal or not. We're not talking about reincarnation in general.

I wondered if this could be a referendum on reincarnation, because we've not done the full episode on it. But actually, I thought this story is dope enough as it is alone that we just focus in on Shanti Devi. And one of the most famous cases of reincarnation. Rory, do you think this is real? Do you think it's paranormal? I hate this story. I really hate it. It makes me so deeply uncomfortable. So many elements of it. Why? So many very clear reasons. What's wrong with the 50-year-old man hanging out with a six-year-old girl? There is, come on. Don't clip that. Don't clip that. Absolutely clip that. That's the teaser for this week's episode.

The worst thing I ever said in the bogg in context of a reborn ex-wife. No context makes that fine. Yeah, super weird, super disturbing. But also a double yes. That's right. That's right. That's right. It's a yes.

It's a double yes today. I'm speaking for Kit. I actually Kit reincarnated and I give it yes also. Whoa shit. Shit, down. Why was the last double yes? Double, yeah. Listen, now I am saying right now that I'm basing my yes off of the information that was given by this man. If I research this case and find out that there was like, oh yeah, by the way, there was like a history book in her local school that had all this information about an old shopkeeper. That's going to, I didn't know that. All right, I'm basing it off of the information I've heard today, which is pretty much seemingly overwhelmingly paranormal.

Hey, if Gandhi said it's real, we're allowed to say it's real. I don't know any other stuff about Gandhi. I don't actually know how much stuff about Gandhi. But anyway, it's a double yes. That's what's important, guys. Reincarnation. This is the thing. It's like whenever I always say this, like when they poll the public, when you look at what the public believes,

or what the paranormal, it's always pretty, people believe a lot more than you would think. And like, I do low-key believe in reincarnation. And like, I know I've just said that. That's true. But like, even without this story. I'm like, you know, I'm like, yeah, bro, I think we're all f***in. I think each individual life is a raindrop. And our existence here on Earth as an individual is a hallucination.

We are one single raindrop coming out of the cloud. And then when we die, we return to the ocean. And then the water cycle of spirituality returns again and again and again. I like that. I think the only problem I have with reincarnation is the implication that being reborn in a kind of impoverished or bad way is punishment for a previous life.

It's kind of like passing the blame a little bit. It's like, oh, you're poor and sick. It's because you were a bad person before. I don't know much on this, but I have studied enough works of Ram Dass and his yogi. And it did teach me a little bit of nuance.

And I think this is right. And someone can correct me if I'm wrong, is that the concept of karma gets re and gets misinterpreted sometimes as it being a punishment. That if you are incarnated as a worm, it's because you did something wrong in a past life. From what I understand, karma is more like, think of it as like a curriculum. You know, in school, it's like, you know, the school decides, hey, these kids need to learn this. So we're going to write out a curriculum for them. Yeah. And they're going to grow as people. once they've learned this curriculum. Karma, I think, is more of a curriculum.

It's like the universe is like where your spiritual development is at, you need to learn these lessons, and that's why things happen to you. So if your house burns down, it's not punishment for something bad that happened to you, it's that maybe as an example, you need to learn the possessions are meaningless.

Now, they wouldn't say, it's not as cut and dry as that, but that's just a little example. It's not punishment, it's teachings. And that's why everyone's karma is different. Couldn't the guy like three guys back have learned that one? If I've been reborn like a thousand times, I should have picked that lesson up earlier and I'd still have a house.

Think of it that way. I think that's a helpful way to think of it, that the things that happen to you, they're not punishments or blessings. It's more of, it's all, as Ram Dass would say, grist for the mill. It's all stuff for you to work through and develop from. Why are some really bad people rewarded for being evil with all the money in the world?

It's a good question, Roy. But come on. We're talking about Elon Musk. Elon Musk lives in a prison of his own mind. Like his life is hell. Did you read the Epstein emails? He's a fucking loser, dude. Like, they live in prison.

It's a prison of their souls. Yeah, they have a super yacht. But they're dying inside, man. Come on. Right. Right, right. Did you ever see the photo of? Elon Musk's bedside table.

No. Elon Musk tweeted a few years ago, My bedside table. I don't want to describe or... So this guy is living in hell. This is, he is at the bottom of the pyramid of spiritual rebirth. He has, he is longer in the cycle of death and rebirth than there is before the heat death of the universe to go.

He is like 65 million years of death and rebirth. rebirth to go. It's a couple cans of Diet Coke and loaded guns. It's no, caffeine-free coke, I think you'll notice, Rory. It's the gold Coke. So he doesn't even want to feel anything. Yeah, four empty tins of caffeine-free coke, a huge loaded revolver, and then like a commemorative civil war era musket in a display box. This guy is spiritually, functionally dead. So, you know, We don't have to be too jealous, I think, is what we're trying to get out here. Guys, I hope you are rejoicing, jumping up and down, knowing that reincarnation is real. Spiritual rebirth is real.

This is not the be all and all. If you f***ed it, and by that, I mean your life like I have, it's all good. We get to go around again. This is like, I was going to say a video game like Fortnite, but Fortnite's the opposite. It's one and done. Yeah, you're done. Well, you get reborn on the island and then you go back in again. Okay. It's actually a little like Fortnite.

Yeah. So I hope you've enjoyed this episode. I meant to give a shout out. One of the only other episodes we've done into reincarnation was the episode about Om SETI. Yep. I can't remember her government name, but that was episode, I want to say 74 of this paranormal life going a long way back. Yeah, I think a slightly less believable case because I think that was the story where the individual who claimed they'd been reincarnated started experience these memories after they fell down the same. stairs and hit their head pretty hard. Yeah. So that's, yeah, that's, that's rough. Still super

fascinating. A woman who, um, was tapping into past life memories of being an Egyptian princess. I think so. Yeah. I believe. Maybe that was a yes. I don't remember. So long time ago, who knows. But, uh, that episode number 74, but if you can't get enough this paranormal life, consider becoming a member at this paranormal life.com. Become a supporter of the show. Enter the commune for real. us for as little as $5 a month pending your local currency, in which you get in return hundreds of bonus episodes of the podcast, full-length bonus investigations, behind the scenes after-party episodes, shoutouts, giveaways, all kinds of stuff, as well as just updates. If you want to be first to know about live shows and also first in line for tickets for those live shows, become a member.

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Oh, baby. You'll have a Porsche in the next life. You'll have a yacht. Oh, yeah, there'll be a couple muskets on the bedside table. Let me just say that. So there's paranormal life.com. And one of the things we like to do at the end of an episode is shout out the people who have supported us. Yeah.

If you're going to join the paranormal commune, you're going to want a musket by your bedside table. Because people are going to be coming for your seeds in the night. That's all I'm saying. So thank you today very much to, first off, Melissa Rose. Melissa rose from the dead. Oh! After, we thought she was a goner. It was like, there's been some accidents in the commune lately.

There was a train crash and then a plane unbelievably crashed into the train when it, because like there was a lot of survivors from the train, but then the plane, I think, took them out. And then like, you ever heard of the California gold rush, but we had the commune seed rush where there was new spread of a delivery of seeds so large it could feed a family. for days. Yeah. And just every mode of transport congregated in one area at once. Just smashing.

Like a loony tunes, just yeah. Yeah, yeah. People do not know how to fly or control these machines. Yeah. But Melissa, thank God, came back. Yeah. Thank God. So great to have you back, Melissa.

She is a two-year-old. Different name, but we think it's Melissa because she's into some of the same stuff, like Naruto. Doesn't take many seeds to feed a two-year-old. So that works out for us. Thank you also to Tommy, brackets, praise rah. Praise rah, my friend Tommy, that is right. You are praying to the right gods.

Let me say that. Tommy is either a day one TPL fan, praying to the old gods, or a reincarnated Egyptian pharaoh. And they just, you know, that's just part of their vernacular. Yeah. Tommy, you were obviously a bad person if you have, being been reincarnated into an individual who listens to this paranormal life. So I'm sorry.

I hope you are atoning for your sins you committed to presumably a lot of Egyptian slaves. But this is a great start. You're giving back to your community. You're giving back to your commune. You know, you're on the right path. Thank you also to Alex. Alex is one of the Daleks. They are, see, I didn't watch Dr. Hughes.

I wasn't fully aware. They are real. And they're kind of proliferating in the commun at the moment, the Daleks, because they don't need seeds to live. And anyone who is seed independent right now, you're going to do great. You're going to flourish. All I know is Alex, Alex, the way you don't need seeds. Alex the way you don't need seeds to live. That's great for us.

So thank you very much. And thank you finally. Two, they call me Mr. Little Bunny Foo-Fu-Fu. Thank you so much, everyone, for listening to the success story of the podcast. Mr. Little Bunny Foo-Fu-Fu, I have to imagine that you've been reborn as a bunny, which, honestly, that means you were probably a dope person in your last life. Wild bunnies, they have a little bit of a harder time, but if you're a domesticated bunny rabbit, holy moly, you are eating carrots, lettuce, you're getting.

pet, you're hanging out, you can sleep in the house, outside the house, having a great time. I think if I got reincarnated, I would like to be a domesticated house cat. Really? That would be, that's a good life. That's a good, good life, you know? So little Mr. Bunny Foo-Fu-I hope you're enjoying this version of yourself, for sure. We did have a bunny growing up. I think my sister had a pet bunny.

Domesticated is a strong word for how house-trained bunnies get. It's like, oh, he's domesticated. He shits anywhere he wants. He doesn't want to be pet. He kicks you if you look at him. It's like they're just wild. They're just, it's like those people, they've ever seen people who have foxes as pets?

It's hilarious. It's disturbing. I think your bunny was a serial killer in its past life. Yeah. It's just a bad. Charles. In the worst way, we did call him Charles.

It's a bad money. His name was Humphrey. Well, I'd be angry too. He chewed on a cable and died. So he's reincarnated somewhere. Thank you for. tuning into this paranormal life. Reincarnated as Phil.

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