This Paranormal Life - Was this Child Possessed by ALIEN? - The Abduction of Jason Andrews

Episode Date: February 3, 2026

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Alien abduction. In most cases, the victims live a long and peaceful life prior to the butt probing. But today, we're investigating the case of Jason Andrews, an individual who wasn't so lucky. His encounter started almost as soon as he entered this world. But what would an alien want with a baby? Are they abducted because they're cute or delicious? All of these questions you can find the answer to on THIS paranormal life! Welcome back to This Paranormal Life, The only paranormal podcast where both hosts are on the FBI's most wanted list. Not for anything weird. Not for anything weird.

I want to clarify. Are we? Yes. Have you been, like, I haven't refreshed it in a couple months. Are we on there now? We're one and two. Me, then you, right at the top of the list. Okay.

Yeah. So that's low-key good news for me. Because that means you're the canary and the coal mine, brother. As soon as I pop. If I call Roy and he doesn't answer one day, I go, Oh. You got to go on the run. Time to go underground, yeah. That was the FBI, but I was.

They said they're coming. Yeah, you in? We're kind of... They sent me a Google invite to an assassination at 3 p.m. Kit, we have covered a lot of abduction stories on this podcast before. Travis Walton, Betty and Barney Hill, and the guy who said he had an alien girlfriend. But today, we're investigating the case of Jason Andrews, an individual who claims he's been abducted dozens of times. And I know your skeptic senses are already tingling, but in today's case,

we have witnesses. I will say, abduction 1 through 4, shame on you. Abduction 5 through 12, shame on me. That is, at a certain point he's letting this shit happen. He's not locking his doors at night. He's not taking enough precautions. I don't know. I feel like if you're getting abducted this many times, you're probably trying to stop in multiple ways and you've realized that you can't. You're along for the ride. Our story today kicks off in 1983, in Kent. Jason's family, the Andrews, always wanted a quiet life, but his mother Anne Andrews knew that even from his earliest months,

that Jason was no ordinary child. One night, back in 1983, when Jason was only a baby, she placed him in his cart and tucked him in for a night's rest. There, that all to do it. Good night, my little angel. Please don't shit yourself while you're sleeping. while you're sleeping. Anne turned off the lights and returned to her own room

to try and catch as much sleep as she could. But just a few hours later, she heard crying from Jason's room. Ah, okay, you've probably shit yourself. Mummy's coming! When Anne walked back into the room, she noticed something strange. Little Jason was flipped upside down.

Hmm. Now Kit, I'm not a parent. I've never had a child. Can you tell me right now? how rare an occurrence this is to find a baby flipped like a pancake? I made a sound like that was interesting. Currently, this is not interesting at all. This is...

Babies rotate more than PDFs, okay? This is... That is the... Because if you think about it, they can't walk yet. All they can do is... All they can do is use their little legs, yeah, to kind of... They can only kind of spin on that axis, to be quite honest. From ages zero to one, they're essentially a fleshy pinwheel, I assume.

spinning in their bed nonstop. They have no respect for the orientation of a bed. Yeah. Because they don't really obey the laws, pillows, duvets, things like that. They kind of just have a blanket and they just let rip. Which is kind of funny because if I ever went to sleep now and woke up with my feet on the pillow

and my head at the bottom of the bed, I would be freaking the fuck out. Yeah. I'd be like, what happened to me last night? Yeah, well, I have a brain tumor, so that's great. Yeah, exactly. I think the most dramatic thing that ever happened to me when I was sleeping was I fell off the top bunk in a bunk bed.

Yeah, wow. Which is remarkable because it had guardrails. So I somehow managed to, like an octopus, compress my body down to the point where it just slivered out of the tiny gap where the ladder is at the top. You know what the crazy thing is, like that event that happened to you was the entire part two of our Enfield hunting investigation. It was just someone falling out of a bunk bed, I'm pretty sure. Well, unfortunately, this was only the beginning. Night after night Anne would wake up to find Jason in different positions, flipping more than a Tony Hawk's skateboard. Every night it was getting more and more sporadic until one night she woke up to go check on him and experienced every parent's worst nightmare. The cot was empty.

Oh God. Jesus, Jason, Jason, where are you? She tore the room apart, searching every corner for the missing baby, and then she heard it. Wee. Wee. Wee. Wee. We probably could have done that through sound effects, but just in case it's hard to find... Jesus Christ.

Just in case it's Anthony Hopkins, the greatest actor of all time. Quiet crying was coming from under the cot. When she dropped to her hands and knees, she saw him wriggling about on the floor. Kit, we all know that cots are essentially baby Guantanamo. They are high security prison facilities designed with one goal to cage and infection. How did Little Jason escape this? Yeah, I'm trying to think how this is possible. I mean, have you ever seen there's quite a cute video of like, it's like twins, twin babies, and they might be AI.

I might have been completely fooled. This is for sure AI. I think it's older than AI, but it'll be like twin babies and they put like each baby in a different cot. And one of them is made out a shrimp. And then, oh my God, I remember that. And then a giant buff cat comes in and say. them from a fire. Yeah, yeah.

And then a Chinese grandma comes in with a rocket launcher and explodes the whole house. That might be AI, but it was posted on Facebook, so I think it's real, obviously. That's a reputable source. Chat, we're cooked. I think it's true. I think it's older than AI. Yeah. It's the baby twins.

And then the caption is like, oh, this is the first time they've been separated into separate beds. And they're like, they're not having it. And so they're like standing up, like reaching over to. each other, like cuddling each other across the cot. And then I think at one point, which is why I bring it up, I think one of the babies is just like, hold on, let me hop this shit. Let me hop this fence real quick. And he just like figures it out, you know.

So maybe if the baby... He shawshanked his way out of the cart. Maybe if the baby... Maybe if the baby was athletic enough, i.e. old enough to, you know, because babies do eventually outgrow a cot and have to go into a bed. Yeah. Maybe he was at that stage where he could, you know, get a leg up. over the top of it, you know?

Right. Yeah, when they get a little bit too big for the cot. I don't know though. It's been a while. I can't still think about baby Shawshank now where there's a poster in the cot that's secretly hiding a hole. And when mums go to sleep, he sneaks out. Yeah, I would say as far as cages go for a specific purpose, caught for a baby, really good. Number one, worst one of all time is probably cage for a hamster.

You think? Yes. Oh, just the amount of failures? Yes. It's more failures than a goddamn English prison right now. They're just letting them go. Just, all right, how many inmates will we just let go today? We're thinking four rapists and a murderer.

Great. Let's just open the door, let them go. Some people will know from listening to this podcast that I had two hamsters, Cosmo and Wanda. I didn't own either for very long. And I swear, the first time I left them alone in the cage probably went down to go get a snack and came back. They were climbing the cage like monkey bars trying to like Mission Impossible. style, opened the roof hatch. Gold Cosmo and Wanda, because we're always Wandaing where they went.

Yeah, so, but the baby crib's usually pretty secure. This is a rare occurrence, I would say. Yeah, yeah. Despite having no clue how Jason escaped his own crib, Anne says that she assumed her own exhaustion was to blame. Anne would wake up to find that it wasn't just Jason changing position. Other objects in his room had been moved in the night, as if someone was roaming about the house.

Which is extra f*** because what kind of person breaks into a house to move things around and hide a baby? Just when Anne thought that things couldn't get any stranger, the family was rocked by an event that would change their lives forever. July 2nd, 1987. It was little Jason's fourth birthday,

and after a fun day of celebrating, Jason had fallen asleep, this time on the couch downstairs while the family were still awake. Oh, look, he's all tuckered out. Well, at least we can keep an eye on him here. Nothing strange is going to happen to him tonight. I can tell you that for...

Out of nowhere! The family heard a powerful banging at the front door. It was so loud that Jason's father knew this wasn't a latecomer for the birthday party. This was someone trying to break into the house. He jumped up from his chair, ran over and threw the door open. The other side kid was empty, just a dark, quiet street. He slowly closed the door and returned to the living room, trying to rationalize what had just happened.

But before he could even sit down, a dazzling light exploded in the room like a flashbang. The family shielded their eyes, while poor baby Jason lay on the sofa, eyes and mouth wide open. Out of nowhere, as if possessed by some creature, four-year-old Jason opened his mouth and began to speak. 1003-199-3-107-13-130-1-6-5-130-1-3-0-0-0. Anne said that Jason seems like he was possessed,

reciting a long string of numbers without a single pause, like a computer. And let's just clarify, because I feel like for someone who's not paying attention, you might be thinking this is still a baby. This is a four-year-old. So this child is at. school. Right. Yeah. At school, arguably learning numbers every single day. But that's by the by, it's maybe not normal for them to recite like a string of binary. Yeah. But still. Yeah. I think the way this is being delivered, it does not seem like it's coming from Jason. She said this

continued for several minutes uninterrupted. Wow. Yeah. Several minutes of just reciting a string of numbers. You have to assume if you're the family, like one, two minutes in, you're just like, oh my God, shaking him just like, Jason, what's wrong? What's wrong? And then when it's like minutes, six, minute seven of three one zero zero two one five nine, you're like, I'm going to make a coffee. I'm going to make a coffee. Does I don't want anything?

We'll just let him burn himself out. He's got to stop eventually. You're like lying in bed at night upstairs. All you hear from the living room, three, three, one, zero. As Jason continued to recite numbers, the banging started again, but this time it didn't come from the door. It sounded like it was coming from everywhere, the walls, the ceilings, growing louder with every pound.

Jason then stood up, unannounced, and began walking towards the front door, still seemingly lost in his mathematical trance. His father blocked his path and tried to restrain him, to which Jason replied, I have to go, They're waiting for me. I relieved to get some words, but worrying words at that. He's probably like, I have to go. 3, 3.10. They're waiting for me, 2, 1, 3,0.

Was he just conducting jazz? 3, 2, 1, 6, 2, 3, 4, 1. A 1, a 2, a 1, 2, 3, you go. Kit, we can laugh about it all we want. But Anne describes this as one of the most chilling moments of her entire life. Yeah. Whoever was speaking, it didn't seem like her son.

It sounded like a goddamn transformer. Kit, I know that you love your evidence, so I'm happy to say that we have video testimony from Anne, the mother, about this incident. And it is pretty harrowing. Okay. Check it out. He came back in, closed the door,

and said to myself, my mom, well, that's odd. You know, there's nobody there, but we'd all heard the knock in. Then there was a really sort of bright bolt of lightning. He just opened his mouth and just started spewing out all these fantastic numbers. It was just like a computer. This went on for a few minutes and as he was talking the numbers, the banging began again.

But this time it seemed to reverberate. It seemed to reverberate, sort of, you know, it got louder and louder, and it seemed to be coming not just from the front door, but from the windows, the back of the house. Jason just seemed to get up from the couch, and he walked over towards the door. My husband restrained Jason, and he just literally looked up with my husband, and just said, but I have to go.

They're waiting for me. Let him go. Let him go, guys. And the banging all the while was just, going on and on. And it was just so strange. It was like, you know, as soon as Jason started to blink, you know, as if he was coming out of this trance-like state, he started to blink.

And as he, the more he came round, you know, the more the banging receded. Let the boy go. Let him cook. He clearly knows what he wants to do. And he knows what purpose he has to fulfill. He has the coordinates, apparently. He's well on his way.

Whatever is happening here, he understands what's going on. I fundamentally disagree. I think that is a terrible idea. I think he's going to walk into the arms of a nine-foot monster man. But that's what's meant to happen, it seems like. Because he's reciting all the numbers, because he's being possessed. I mean, what are we dealing with here, Kit? This is, I think one of the reasons I like this case is because it doesn't really fit into any.

It feels like this could be extraterrestrial, but then we're also seeing objects move around and someone become possessed, which is much more familiar in like a ghost case or a poltergeist case. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, it is, it is giving, I guess maybe the light and stuff is giving alien abduction and the idea that he's like, I have to go, I have to be with them or whatever. But yeah, it is true. Like when we think of an alien abduction, we think of like getting lifted by. tractor beam, we go completely limp.

Yeah. We don't think of like our eyes turning black and being like, get the fuck out of my way. Yeah. I got a go. I got a 1035 on planet Zontron. Release me father, one zero three, two, four. Yeah. Yeah.

Usually if someone becomes possessed in a house, you know, and they start talking, they'll be like, my name is Mary. I was killed 200 years ago. you know, it's a bit more of like the story kind of comes out of the person a little bit more. But what's the numbers about? Like the numbers is like...

Jason's been possessed by a Frippasio. Yeah. He's been possessed by a calculator. If this was in a movie, particularly in the 80s, I think we would laugh at it and we would go, isn't that funny that like I guess like computers were quite recent at that point? So people probably thought someone like

spitting out binary code was like really deep. Yeah. like, bro, that's crazy because that's how the computer works. 1-0-0-1-1-0. Yeah, but it's like not a meaningful amount of information. No, no. I mean, you need so many millions of bits of information to construct any amount of actual meaningful information. Yeah, there's very little you can do with this kind of thing.

I feel like also if you got like a priest involved in this at the first couple numbers, when Jason's like, 2-1-6, the priest is like, of course, 2nd Corinthians. Yeah. Verse 11. It all makes sense. The child is clearly quoting, 3, 3, 2, 1. He's like, all right, that throws me a little bit.

Okay, well, it's a date then. It must be a date. Okay, so what happened on the thing? 99. 993-2-165-4-1. Oh, it's like, okay, fuck that then. The kid's broken. I don't know what to tell you.

The kid's busted. It's not anything. He's just, he's cracked in the head. Something's wrong here. Yeah. 90210, 420, 6-7, 6-7, all right. He's a troll.

What's maybe most interesting is that over the following weeks, and describe the house being plagued by poltergeist activity. Now, Kit, you can tell me which one of these you would least like to experience in your own home. Okay? First, electrical appliances would switch on and off by themselves. That's fine. My house electricity shit anyway. That kind of thing happens, anyway.

It's fine. Two, the television would suddenly turn on. full volume in the middle of the night. No, that's starting to get disruptive. Yeah, that is. Especially if you've got a kid, that's not good. And maybe most terrifying. The family could hear loud sounds at night

like something crawling across the ceiling. Yeah, well, you know I'm going to not going to pick that one. You got to know that you started light and then obviously wouldn't pick that one. It's like, oh yeah, no, that's fine. Yeah, no, cool. Yeah, the night beast. There's a shadow man that crawls along the ceilings.

Maybe that one. No, I wear earplokes, so I wouldn't be able to hear him. That's fine. This crawling was accompanied by repeated sequences of three sharp knocks. Whatever was going on, the family knew it was all revolving around Jason. And unfortunately, the Andrews family of higher morals than I do. And to them, the thought of going out for a pack of smokes and leaving a four-year-old behind is reprehensible. So if they couldn't get little Jason out of their lives, they only had one option.

to get some help. But as we said, who do you go to for help like this? A doctor, a scientist? Even in the world of the paranormal, do you get a priest, a witch, a ufologist? Where do you even start with a problem like this? Eventually, the family decided to contact Mary Rodwell, a special counselor known for working with people

who believe that they have experienced alien contact. What a job title. right off the bat. Imagine handing someone your card and it says special counselor for people experiencing alien contact. I mean, I vouch for this type of paranormal work, I will say. Yeah. Because I like that because, you know, we've recently talked about the warrants, the warrants. Yeah. And we, you know, we weren't super duper kind to them because history hasn't been kind to them because they did a lot of terrible shit. And they're, and they're whole thing was like investigating the paranormal, but then also just like generally changing

every situation to completely suit themselves, you know, getting statements out of people that they didn't really want to give, publicizing them beyond what they want to be publicizing the media. Whereas this is, this is a proper service, which is people are traumatized after experiencing something paranormal, whether you believe what they experienced or not. Being a counselor for these people seems very wise because you have to approach someone going through something like this, gently. You don't want to go in as maybe a traditional counselor would just be like, look, you're a loony, but we're going to, we'll help you feel better about it. Whereas at least maybe someone who's met a lot of people who've been abducted or seen a ghost or whatever,

they might be a lot more sympathetic and kind of like, hey, you're not alone. I've actually met a lot of people who've experienced this and we don't quite understand it, but let's help you get better, you know. I want a guy with a gun. What? I want a guy with, if I have a problem like this, I want a guy who has built his own gun. You want to bring a gun into this house with a child? I want to. No, but not any kind of gun. I wanted to have some like crystals involved and loose wires dangling from it. This is a barretta, a 1911.

You like numbers, right? This is a... How about AK-47? How about that little Jason? Yeah, so the safety's... Oh, whoa, it's on. Yeah, so let's keep the safety on for now, Jason. So you don't turn the safety off until you see the bad guy.

Okay? you see the bad guy, then pow, pow. Okay? They're like, you really think this is the best? Yes. Yes. When he gets abducted, the idea. This is the plan.

He's got a diagram. We get Jason aboard the ship. Then he throws a grenade. He throws a grenade and he has to get out of there as fast as possible. Jason, before you go to bed tonight, remember to put on your special little vest. The one with the little beeps and buttons. It's like dynamite strapped to his stomach. Yeah, listen, you are right.

This is one way to solve the problem, which is counseling. That's going to make you hopefully understand the situation better. It's not going to help you deal with the guys coming in. What I'm saying is turning your kid into a calculator. This is a survivor first approach to the situation. Hey, let's put Jason's well-being at the heart of this investigation. You know, instead of just being like, all right, Jason's told us everything we need to know. Jason, I sent him back to school.

Okay, let's figure this out. Yeah, but also, if I am in a cabin in the woods and every night, there's a bear slamming his woolly fists on the front door, I'm not going to go see someone who specializes in rehabilitation from bear attacks. I'm going to find a guy who can kill a bear. Sure. I want to find someone who can deal with it rather than help me deal with the consequences of it. Yeah. Because I haven't been got by the bear yet. The bear's just close.

So I need to find... They're finding a counselor to help me deal with the problems. You need a wizard. You need to hire an Etsy witch. Well, the wizard wouldn't help with a bear either. Depends on the spells. Spells on the spells, brother. You know, look, let's think of a movie here.

You know, the movie I think is nope. What does he do in the movie when his... It's very similar. When the ranch starts getting attacked. by aliens, he goes down to, I guess, like, what's like Target or something? He goes down to one of those places and just buys like a shitload of home security. And just like, I'm going to put 1,500 cameras, movement sensors, alarm systems all around the house. Let's just start there.

Let's get a visual of this thing. Sure, sure. So I guess it's a logical start. They're in a movie, they're all killed and dead by the end. That's not true. So if they had skipped that and gone straight to the wizard. to death. A couple of them die, I think, actually. A couple of them die. That movie would have been better with a wizard.

The protagonist lives. The guy who bought all the shit. I'm not going to speak about it on Mary Rodwell. Even if I don't think she's the right person for what's happening right now, I do respect and appreciate this role. That's not the kind of role that's probably paying the bills. I think that's probably an afterwork passion. She doesn't have a gun. She probably keeps just a little piece. A little piece kind of in her sock, I'd say, just in case.

Well, Mary Rodwell described Jason's early. experiences as fitting what she considered classic abduction pattern. Yes. She pointed to similarities that she'd heard many times before. Infants found outside their cots, visitations beginning almost from birth. Unfortunately, as we said, Kit, aside from giving the family a better understanding of what they were dealing with, there wasn't much she could do to help. And look, while Mary's assessment of the situation did help them understand what they were dealing with,

It turns out they didn't need it in the end. Because as Jason grew older and more articulate, he became able to describe these strange experiences himself. I hate them. I hate them. I have to go with them. They take me to an operating theater, like at the hospital. It's all white and shiny. Sometimes it's a circular room with a metal floor.

It's always cold. They're there. The big one touches me. but I don't feel it. It's as if I've had anesthesia. Anesthetic. Anesthetic. Anesthetic?

Anesthetic. It's as if I've had an anesthetic. But you don't believe me. You think I'm just making it all up. Kit, does this sound like anything we've heard in a case before? An operating theatre? Like a hospital with white walls? The big one touching you?

Yeah, I don't love the big one touching me. Don't love that. Yeah, I would say we've had this before in a lot of UFO stories where people say they've been put on a slab. Yeah. Or examined like this by creatures that are kind of fuzzy shapes kind of hovering around them. Unfortunately, the more and more Jason talked about his night visitors, the more other members of the family started recalling strange memories from their past. One day, Jason's older brother Daniel said to his parents, Hey, remember when I was a kid

and I had that imaginary friend called the soldier man? Parents are like, shut the fuck put their knife and forth on. Shut the fuck up. All right, no more about the night man, the big one. Let's just talk about the game last night.

That was crazy, right? They were trying to chew. Oh, God, that was awesome. So, yeah, I thought it was really amazing how in the ninth inning 1003-13, shut the fuck them! Shut the fuck him!

It's like, Jason, what happened at school today, bud? Go on, there must be some... Well, the big one was there, actually. Oh, my God! Daniel, what about you? School, was it fine? I didn't get much sleep because Soldier Man was up with me all night. Oh, my fucking Christ.

Pouring more whiskey in your morning coffee. There's thumping coming from the walls. A shadow man is crawling like the babadook in the corner of the room. Marie, can we talk? in the next room, you were drinking. You were drinking during pregnancy. I knew it. I've known it for years. No, this is the proof. They're looking back into the dining room when they need the both boys. 2176, boom, a little. A man full military outfit has Daniel in a headlock? Soldier Man, no. Daniel told his parents that he believed that the figure, Soldier Man,

had been real and that he thinks that the visit stopped because, quote, they made a mistake. Jason was the one they were meant to be visiting. And I think they just went into the wrong room, which is a hilarious thought that there is a intergalactic being from another world that's made it all the way to Earth and then just gets the wrong bedroom. Yeah.

Kind of like, the door opens to the childhood room. Smoke pours in. A light blasting from behind and a nine-foot beast is standing there. Like, we've come from another world to... Wait. Looks at the printout picture. No, it's the wrong kid.

Which one? Hey, hey, do you know this one? It's like, ah? You know this one? Sorry, I'm soldier man. Do you know this kid? It's like, yeah, my brother is down the hall. Okay.

All right, sorry, sorry you should disturb you. This didn't happen. This didn't happen. Raygun to the forehead. Memory's gone. But then you just see him walking away. And then hear from down the hall. Quiet.

We come from another world. One thing I do think is interesting about the repeat alien abduction thing, which is a very common trope. I mean, we went to contact in the desert, one of the biggest UFO conferences in the world. I think it is the biggest. And there was people giving panels alleging to have been abducted many, many times with the course of their life. Those panels were weird. I just, there's something about the concept of them repeat abducting. I'm not saying I think it's bullshit or I don't believe it.

I just think it's interesting and I don't quite understand why they would abduct the same person again and again and again. Is it that, you know, like the way in which that a government might install a backdoor into like another government's computer systems, right, security systems that they're like, oh, well, we've established the back door or not. So we're going to just keep using that. I don't like the idea of aliens installing in a back door. That sounds a little bit like probing to me, brother. An unfortunate turn of phrase for sure. But I think you understand the meaning.

They've put a little cat flap in the system. And so it's like, okay, now that's just easier to do than pick someone new. Every time. Yeah, yeah. Like, I guess you could say, like, how do humans work on animals? And I guess it's a mix. I mean, like, they do definitely test on, like, one animal, I think, repeatedly. But also across a lot of animals, unfortunately.

So it just seems, I don't know, it just seems weird that we have this kind of relatively small amount of people who've been abducted 25 times rather than just more people being abducted once. It's kind of, it reminds me of, do you ever go on holiday with the type of person who like day one, you go out to like a restaurant and a bar and have a good time? And then every other day of the holiday when you're like, oh, what should we eat tonight? And they're like, honestly, we should just go back to that restaurant. And that bar was pretty cool. if they had their choice, they would find the one place they like and go back every time.

Yeah. And maybe that's aliens. They're like, we need to go abduct another human from Earth and poke about in their butthole. It's like, honestly, Jason was pretty chill last time. Like we got away with it super easy.

Yeah. Like no one believed them. It didn't kick up a fuss. Let's just go back there. Let's just do it a bunch of times until we get caught. Yeah. Well, I can't believe they haven't done anything yet.

It's crazy. It's honestly crazy. Why haven't they just thought of buying a gun? Yeah. Yeah. We would leave them alone if they just bought a gun, but they haven't done it. It's like, the first time, we walked in on the wrong kid. And they still didn't believe them.

Like, this is nuts. We can get sloppy in this house, and it's fine. You know, we can send the interns to do this shit. Don't talk about getting sloppy. Yeah. Boating for flight 246 to Toronto is delayed 50 minutes. Ugh, what? Sounds like Ojo time.

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If you have questions or concerns about your gambling or the gambling of someone close to you, please go to Connixontario.ca. And it didn't stop there. Eventually, even Anne herself, the mother, started to believe that she too had been taken in the night. Which I'll admit, it does sort of sound like that no one in this family wants to be left out. But instead of this being proof that these abductions are a hoax kit, it might actually be further evidence to prove that these events are really happening. Anne says that one night when the family were getting ready for bed, they spotted a mysterious

bright light outside the window. They assumed it was a star or some kind of aircraft, but the light was growing as if it was slowly approaching the house. She started to panic, terrified of what would happen if it eventually reached the house. The next thing she remembers is waking up in the morning. Anne quickly went to check on Jason, and there he was, waking at the exact same time. He started telling her, like usual, about getting abducted last night. Except this time, he was taken to a room filled with hundreds of people. And as he recalled his night, memories began to flood back to Anne.

We were in this huge room, and everyone was watching these pictures on a huge screen at the other, at the other side of the hall. Jason smiled. I thought I saw you there, Mum. God damn it. Anne started completing Jason's sentences without prompts, perfectly recalling the same memories from the dream last night. Had these creatures abducted the entire family? at once. Okay, let's just

pump the bricks a tiny bit. Got to know a little bit more details because I would give you this if this dream were the first time it had ever happened. This dream, by the way, D-R-E-A-M, dream, dream that happened

while they were asleep. This dream, if that were the first time it ever happened and they were like, I had the craziest dream, yeah, what happened? I was on a shit, no fucking way. Yeah. This has been happening for

years. He's been dreaming of the same shit repeatedly, getting abducted by the beings, being on the deck of the shit. Sure, sure. The big one touched me. Like, at a certain point. And the big one, he touched me? Yes. Right in the butthole? Completely judge senses. Sorry, arse. We're in England. Sorry, yeah. Touched me in the, he touched me in the ass. So he did. You don't want to ever complete a child sentence and the last word is butthole. Oh, no, no, no, no. So point being, at a certain point, Jason has intercepted his own mother into having this dream. You didn't listen to me, sir, when I told you that this dream was different from any other.

Jason said it himself. He wasn't in the operating room. He wasn't reciting numbers. He was in a theater watching pictures on a huge... In an operating theater? No, in a theater theater! In a movie theater, but an alien movie theater, not an normal one. I want to make that clear.

And there was hundreds of beings. Is there hundreds of beings? I'll get you in the butthole if you don't stop talking. Go on. I'll smoke your ass, I will. They had the same experience. They shared it, all right, in the night. I don't know.

There's nothing else I can tell you. That's fine. That's fine. I think I've said my piece. I've said my piece. You know what? I wasn't going to play this clip, but I think to, just for believability, I have the recording of Anne telling this version of the story. And I think that will help you relate more to this individual going through a traumatic event in her life that we shouldn't mock or laugh at.

Okay. Oh, shit. There's pictures. She's drawn pictures. And I actually don't know if I want to show. Go on. Yeah, let's see them. I actually don't know if I want to show me these pictures.

We can't say that. Not show them. So come on. Let's cue it up. What do you mean? She drew them, you mean? I don't know. Well, she didn't take them on a meta-ray band, so I guess she drew them. I'm just looking at this footage that they have online.

This is from the Shiver Paranormal documentaries where they've interviewed these people. Okay. I don't know if this is supposed to be a drawing of Daniel, her son, or soldier man. It's kind of hard to tell. You must know. You must know. Come on. But I'll show you this picture now of the individual. Pesel. piss off

she didn't did she draw that I don't know who drew that it's like weirdly too it's not good but it's weirdly too detailed to just be like

a someone who doesn't draw it must be like an artist's interpretation well don't talk about it too much because what the audience are going to see is a black square because I've redacted this and I'm not sure

no no go on this is redacted show them the eyes at least show them the big old bug eyes show them that all right this is and being interviewed about the night that her and Jason had the same dream. What?

I was going to say, like, can you please let me speak? Yeah, no. Because you're going to play it. No, no, speak. You really want me to talk? Hey, go ahead. It feels like you're just, you're basing. You can try.

You can try. You're choking up. The case is going out by. In my eyes, you could try. 1-0-0. Speak. Boy. It's just that before we hit record,

Phil was like, hey, Roy, you have any photos in this evidence? Or have any photos in this case? And he was like, no, I don't. I said, no, no. And he was like, not one. That's how much confidence he had that picture. And I go, here's a photograph of Soldier Man. All right, play the video.

Okay. Jason always described the same scenario. He will be lying in his bed. He would first of all notice, like what he was referred to as the big one, would rise up through the floor at the foot of his bed. Then he said there would suddenly be like, you know, six or eight of the smaller ones. He said that he could see, but he couldn't move. And of course we woke in the morning just as normal and then all of the morning.

and then all of a sudden I remembered. Of course, my first thought was Jason. You know, where's Jason? Is he okay? I spoke to him and I said to him that, you know, we'd seen this really bright light last night. And he then went on to explain that he'd been taken to a place. It wasn't a usual abduction this time, which he was relieved about.

Yeah, Kit. But then he started to say that he was in a room with hundreds of other people and there was like a big cinema screen. And it was just so weird because I finished off his sentence for him. You know, I told him what was on the screen and what was going on and about the other people there. And he just looked at me and smiled and he just said, oh, I knew I saw you there, mum. Damn. So she was able to finish the sentences and not only do that, but tell Jason what he was seeing on the screen in his quote unquote dreams, as Kit refers to them as. Yeah.

That's cool. That's cool. You know what Kid also said was a crazy dream? Me doing a backflip one day and I did it. Yeah, but we have video evidence of that happening. You showed us the video. That's what we're crucially missing on this. Today's evidence, Phil play the video of me doing a backflip.

To show, Phil, play the evidence to show that dreams are possible. Please, Phil. Dreams are possible in version 1.mp4. Phil show the photo right now of me crossing the finish line running my first marathon to show that anything is possible if you work hard and you can achieve your dreams? That's the evidence in today's podcast. And that...

Are you done? Barely. Close to done? Barely. Really? Down, okay. Are you done? Say what you have to say.

No, continue to say. Now, what's interesting is that after the period covered in family interviews and documentaries, Jason Andrews essentially vanishes from the public record. As far as I can see, there's no confirmed adult interviews with Jason. He never wrote any books or memoirs, gave any speeches, attended any conferences. And Anne Andrews, the mother, even though she is the one who's most engaged in the documentaries, her herself.

She never pursued any long-term publicity or attempted to turn these events into a career of any kind, which, as we said many times on this podcast, is actually a big green flag. as soon as an abductee starts writing books, starts selling talks about it, that can sometimes be an indication that maybe these didn't happen. Yeah, that's true. You know, it makes sense to me because this happened all through these boys, early childhood, adolescence, have it at a formative time. I think if you, if this kind of thing happens to you as an adult,

you're probably more likely to lean into it to write books, do the whole kit and caboodle. I think this happened to them at such a crucial time when, you know, you hit whatever age, 15, 16.

Yeah. Your life revolves around snogging now. You know? And to use the phrase that people would say online, UFO abduction stories are scaring the hose.

You are going to, you are scaring everybody around you by repeatedly at house parties talking about, Yeah, so the big one came to see me last night He was touching me And no one wants to party with that guy Right, the vibes are the law

Hard to make friends, hard to meet girls So I think that happens to you You're hitting 15, 16, 17 years old You just bury that shit And you try and forget it ever happen And live a normal life Yeah, yeah, yeah For better or for worse

It's the kind of thing where you forget about You know, it's like the horror movies A newlywed couple moves into an old house And then the wife will like find an old picture book where you've like, it's a picture of you and a weird guy. And she turns it over and it's like me and soldier man. Yeah. And she's like, who, uh, ha, yelling downstairs, honey, who's soldier man?

And then from downstairs, she just hears one, one, three, one, three. You know, it all starts coming back again. Yeah. Yeah, you got to bury that stuff. You got to make a choice. Unfortunately, with Jason, that shit's hard to bury. Because it was happening to him every other night by the sounds of things. It's not a one and done.

Yeah. And we did see during my favorite case, the Zimbabwe school UFO, that a lot of kids experienced UFO visitation, and it ruined all their lives. Yeah, it couldn't move on. They weren't quite able to move on. So which is also possible and might have happened here. Yeah, very true. One of the interesting parts about this case is an individual that's being visited essentially for their entire life.

That is surprisingly rare in UFO and alien abduction cases. One of the other big cases like this that came up when I kind of Googled this phenomenon is actually one that you're familiar with Kit, and I thought you were going to bring it up earlier when you talked about attending contact in the desert and going to these panels that were filled with alien abductees. Yeah. And that is the abduction of Whitley Striber.

That's true, yeah, I forgot about that. Now, if you don't know, listener, who he is, Whitley Striber was a successful mainstream horror author. He wrote great novels like Wolfen and The Hunger before everything changed when he released a new book called Communion. Interestingly, this book was released in 1987, the same year of Jason's fourth birthday when he became a calculator. Communion is a book where Striber describes essentially a series of repeated alien abductions that he says began in the mid-1980s, primarily at his remote cabin in upstate New York.

Now, this is not only abductions taking place repeatedly over a long period of time, but listen to some of the descriptions of those abductions themselves. One, being taken from his bedroom at night. Two, encounters with small non-human beings and medical examinations, missing time, and traumatic memories that resurfaced later after being abducted. Granted, some of these are just kind of cliche symptoms of UFO abductions, but a lot of these also do share more specific links with the abduction of Jason Andrews. Yes. which is just an interesting thing to put together, you know. Willie Striber talks about the small non-human beings. Maybe he wasn't visited by the big one.

Yeah, it sounds like he's lucky, to be honest. Yeah. So while Jason Andrews is the case we're investigating today, is interesting to note that this is not an anomaly. There are others, other victims out there in the world like Jason. Yeah, yeah. That's annoyed me that he brought him up, yeah, because I quite like Whitley Stryber. Yeah.

Have you read his book, Communion? No. Oh. We've not actually done it as a podcast, have we? We haven't. No, I don't think so. Because he did. He released a book communion and I think he's now released three more books since then.

He attended contact in the desert, the world's largest UFO convention that Kit and I both attended last year. And you actually saw him on a podcast. Yeah, they did a live podcast with last podcast on the left. And they did. I love 2025, 2026. did a hot ones challenge with Whitley Striber where they interviewed him while eating hot wings. Which, you know, talk about taking an alien abduction in your stride. Yeah.

That's someone who seems to be largely okay with the situation. And he's such, he's such a great guy. And he's so funny. And he kind of talks like this. He's really, he's not like disturbed. He's like, yeah, it was pretty crazy. Yeah. I got to hope that Jason is in a similar place right now and is doing well. and fine and doing hot ones challenges on his podcast. Yeah, hopefully, you know, his voice like that, it's not like that scene in The Simpsons. It's like, why do you talk like that? And he's like, I had a stroke.

Hopefully it's not, he's since the abduction. Yeah, man, look, I'll be honest. I'll come clean. I'll say the heffalump in the room, which is I struggle. I struggle with the nighttime snoozy snooze, snooze, paranormal experience, okay? You close your eyes. You go to Dreamland. the one place where anything can happen.

Yeah. And then, some crazy shit happened while I was asleep. That's insane. Did anyone else see it? No. Is there physical evidence? No.

No, but it was, I swear it wasn't a dream. You gotta believe me. I struggle because on the face of it, there's no real reason why we should believe those people. I understand here there is some tertiary evidence in terms of, you know, the parents also saw the light,

the flash of lightning, the noises. That's cool. I'll give you that. But I also have to reckon with the fact that I do believe that what is that quote? It's like reality is not stranger than we suppose. It's even stranger than we can suppose. And that if there were some ultra-intelligent intergalactic life, would they be so stupid as to just land down with a big metal fuselage and suck someone out during middle of the day and put them back on Earth just exactly the way they were with video evidence and they'll remember it and they'll have the Snapchat footage. No, they probably are sophisticated enough that they would do it under the, they would be able to contact us maybe even

remotely. And I'm not talking about Zoom, but maybe it is all telepathic abduction. Maybe it's, you know, like the Star Trek Enterprise. They beam you kind of remotely onto the ship, almost like astral projection. Yeah, yeah. I do kind of think anything is possible, but it's just tough when you're trying to really put a pin on something and say it's real. Yeah. This case actually has more going for it than I thought it would.

You made a picture. What? The picture is that what you were talking about? No, it's not the picture. The picture's classified. No one's seeing the picture. Phil showed them the picture. Don't show them the picture.

Right after you asked for it to be blacked out, he made it transparent again. The worst part is I showed Kit the picture that I didn't know existed, regretted it immediately because it's just a sketch of a bug face. And then while I was trying to show him the important clip of the woman talking about having dreams with her son, they just slowly fade in the picture again. I was like, don't keep showing the picture. You're not helping my case. No context either. No. No, the picture is redacted.

Who even said there is a picture? There isn't a picture. There is no photo. What I like about the case is all the extra details. It's not just the dreams, but it's the fact of objects moving around the house. It's going back in to find baby Jason under the cot instead of in the cot. The flashbang in the room, the crawling noises in the walls. That's the sort of stuff.

That's the extra seasoning that you need to usually get a case across the line. If it was just the dreams and they were sharing dreams, that probably wouldn't be enough. The extra stuff, that is what I like to see. The only problem is, aside from getting these other experts involved, which they do, you know, they got, who did I say, Mary to get involved and look at the case. There's a few other individuals that were interviewed talking about it. Aside from that, we kind of have to take the Andrews family at their word. We don't have any proof of the light or objects moving.

No one went in and tried to document it. So you kind of have to reach a point where you're like, if they're telling the truth about what was happening, it could be a yes. But all of this hinges basically on Anne's testimony. Which is hard because we don't know a lot about her. As I said, she disappeared as quickly as she turned up. You know those memes that are like, it's like, I'll tell my mom a secret and be like, don't tell anyone. and then it'll cut to then like a mum talking to like the national news outside the house. It's like this is the final boss of that.

Jason, it's so weird when you think about it. Jason is nowhere to be seen this entire story and his mom is like, so Jason wet the bed till he was six because he was so fucking terrified. Like, why is she the messenger on this? Like she's just spilling all his business. He definitely does not want to be involved in this at all. Clearly. Yeah.

It reminds me of, um, it's just embarrassing shit that moms do. I remember when I was growing up. And, you know, when you're a kid, a lot of the time when you're going to buy clothes or in our case get a new school uniform, which we had to do every couple years, you would have to go shopping with your mom. And I remember having to sit. This is the first time I remember having to sit my mom down and say, we need to talk. Like dead serious. I was like, we're going shopping today. And every time we go shopping, I go.

I go into the changing room to try on clothes and it is approximately every time, approximately 15 to 20 seconds before you start yelling into the changing room asking if everything's okay and if things fit. And you can't do it.

Listen, mom, let me set some ground rules. No calling me your baby boy today. Okay, don't call me schnuckem. Don't do that. That's what it felt like. I'm borderline 15 at this point. You know, I'm way too old. Because changing rooms, it's just a bit of cloth.

And you're in a room with everyone is in there. And I would just go in. And she couldn't help it. Even after having this conversation, 15 seconds would go by. And she'd be like, are the pants too tight, Rory? Are they too tight around your little belly? And I just be like, sh, get curtain open. Shut the fuck up.

My colleagues are getting dressed. They're all trying on their uniforms beside me. I'm the only one here with my mom. You're the only one yelling in this door. Yelling! It's cloth, mother! I can see your feet under the curtains. God forbid!

Or she'd peep! She'd peep! I'd be top off and then, shh, curtain open? Is everything okay? No! Jesus Christ! So embarrassing.

You've moved on, though. You're not still emotional. You're not still mad about it, though. I'm thinking about therapy this year. Almost 20 years later? Yeah. To this day, I can't go into a changing room alone. So, with all of that in consideration, we have to come down on our conclusion for today's case.

Whenever you were queuing up the video, you were like, Roy couldn't find the spot in the video he wanted. And at one point, she actually just reminded me, she said at one point she was like something about one of her sons doesn't speak to her anymore. That's not true, is it? That's true. She said something like, he won't come to visit me. Because you scrubbed on pretty fast. So I don't know. Because that feels like it will be a big deal

If they all say they're abducted But like the boys Because we're like yeah Why aren't they telling their story This clip is like 10 minutes long I don't think I can find It just feels like if we're coming down A definitive conclusion

We kind of need to know all the facts kind of thing I don't know if I can find that Unfortunately That might have actually been That might actually be redacted along with a photo Well I did hear it So maybe I'll just assume that they are distant You know don't have contact

Maybe they've fallen out I think it's safe to say that their reluctance to be involved in this story in seemingly any capacity. Okay. Speak volumes. Yeah, I would say so. Okay. I would say so. Conclusions?

It's a yes. Oh my god! I don't believe it! I did not think I was going to get that one out of him. It's actually, yeah. No key. Kit, I love it. And I gotta say, even I was kind of on the fence with this one,

There's a lot I like about this story. Don't leave me hanging bro. And that's why. For sure. We do say that one of the pillars of the golden pyramid of truth is a man's word. That includes a woman's word. And in this case, we have Anne telling her story. If what she's saying today is to be believed, then I would say today's case,

is a double yes. I got it. Boom. Oh, ladies and gentlemen, we got them. There you go, guys.

The first double yes of 2026. Wow. It didn't take too long. It didn't. It didn't. You know, I don't know what it is. I think anytime we come back

after the Christmas break, we have a string of yeses. I think you just have a little, a bit of a timeout period. You go on cool down. You bring a new sense of optimism and wonder to the podcast. I actually think our brains

were just pickled by alcohol over Christmas and they're not working well. That's true. I'm still probably 40% mulled wine at this point. But hey, that doesn't matter. We got the WS on the podcast. I hope you guys enjoyed this week's episode of the podcast. Let us know, do you think that there is truth to this story or not? I want to know what do you think the numbers were? Who do you think the big one is? What happened to Jason? Let us know in the comments. You can comment over on YouTube. over on Spotify. But if you really want to get involved with the TPL community, the best place to do it is over on patreon.com. Hey, here's a little number for you. Five. Because for as little as five bucks a month,

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There's so many great tiers to check out, including the tier where you get your own special shout out at the end of the podcast. that's what we're going to do right now. Thank you so much to Katrina Sojka. Hopefully I'm pronouncing that right, Katrina Sojka. You know, Katrina actually got embroiled in a little bit of it. It was like an abduction scare there recently where, yeah, it was nuts. People thought she was being abducted because I think a partner was in the next room or whatever.

And she was like, just like 25, 38, 47, 52, whatever. And they're playing damn bingo in there. Eyes roll back into the head, you know. And they were like, oh my God, they're being abducted. They must have known about this story. Yeah. But they were just phoning in like a Chinese takeaway order. Oh, right.

Just picking a little of hers. I'll take the 55 with black bean sauce. I'll take a 48 with prong crackers. Don't mind. Damn. So, yeah, you got to, don't roll the eyes back in the head next time, Katrina. It's a little confusing. Even though I too start to quiver and shake at the thought of getting a succulent Chinese meal.

Honestly. sometimes. I had a Chinese takeaway when we were back in Ireland for Christmas and it was... Mr. Woo's? It wasn't Mr. Wooz. Okay. It was a family friend, the one and only Peter Chook's water margin restaurant. Yeah. Yeah. It's good stuff. Well, shout out Water Margin. Shout out. Water margin, shout out. Peter Chook, aka Chuk nukem, aka Picachuchuk, long time friend of the show, just like Katrina. Thank you also to Scotty Kay. I feel like being called Scotty is It's just, it's asked a lot of pressure, I'll be honest. Like, I do think Kit is quite a cool name, but I do feel like it gives me flexibility in life to be whatever I want.

Scotty, you kind of have to be like a snowboarder. Right. You kind of have to have abs if we're being real. If your name's Scotty, you got to be a hottie. Yeah. We don't make the rules. We're talking bleach tips. Yeah.

Abs. You got to at least be able to kickflip. Yeah. Scotty, you, I hope you're in 2026 pack. Yeah. I hope that you are just chiseled. And you're going to get a lot leaner, buddy, after you join the paranormal commune. That's all I'm going to say.

With the dietary restrictions, yeah, you're going to be bumping up to an eight-pack real soon. Yeah, between the dietary restrictions and the manual labor, everyone has a six-pack in the commune. Thank you also, too. Hey, hey. Hey, hey is a loyal, treasured member of the commune. Unfortunately, similar to Hodor from Game of the Commune. Unfortunately, similar to Hodor from Game of Thrones. Like a Pokemon, it can only say hey-hay,

because it was kicked in the head by a donkey while shoveling hay in one of the barns out back. Yeah. So they can only kind of say the last thing they saw before the donkey kick. That's crazy. Which was hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Yeah, no, we know. Unfortunately, the employment situation inside the commune means that, I mean, we love to rotate them off donkey duty,

but they have had to work with donkeys every day of their life since. Yeah. We love to, but hey, hey, there's nowhere around it. Yeah. So thank you so much, hey, hey, hey. We really love you. And thank you finally to Chemicals. Chemicals.

That's actually a pretty good idea. A chemical cult? A cult? You know, kind of like what we were doing. Sorry, commune is like what we were doing. But like a cult is, you know, not dissimilar. And you could kind of keep the people in line using chemicals. That sounds like what that is.

That sounds like something that the Osborne Corporation would do from Spider-Man. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I would say. I think you've got to change that name to Kemma Commune. Yeah. If you want to join this party, you know? The cult is a dirty word in this cult. Cot.

Yeah, not commune. Commune. In this commune. So Kemma Commune, thank you for your support. We appreciate it. Thank you to everyone who supports us on Patreon. I hope you enjoyed this episode. your first double yes of

2026 and we will see you once again next Tuesday for another paranormal tale!