This Past Weekend - #573 - Morgan Wallen

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Starting point is 00:01:11 You know what he is. I mean, he's so prolific. He's very competitive. And I admire his attention to detail. Today's guest is one-of-a-kind Mr. Morgan Wallach. Yeah, dude, good to see. See you, bro. Good to see you too, man.

Starting point is 00:01:46 Yeah, it's awesome, man. What's been going on? Yeah, my mom was visiting for my birthday. We went to the Opry. You did? Yeah. Cool, man. It was cool, dude.

Starting point is 00:01:55 Trace Adkins. Does she come up here a lot or no? No, she hadn't been here since I moved here. It was your birthday? Yeah. Oh, happy birthday. Yeah, thanks. When did your birthday?

Starting point is 00:02:03 Two days ago, March 19th. Okay, cool. Yeah, my parents are in town as well, but I'm trying to get them to move here, so. Oh, you are? Yeah, I'm working on that. That's been going on for the last few weeks now. So we'll see. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:02:16 Yeah, dude, your dad's so funny, dude. Yeah, he's the man. He's unreal. Dude, because we went on, what was, we went with, is it Morgan Wallen, the foundation? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Up there to Greenville area.

Starting point is 00:02:28 Yeah, during the flood stuff. Yeah, during Hurricane Helene, yeah. And your dad came, and it was awesome, man. They had the food truck. They had, you know, they were doing food drives. And I met some people up there and visited the houses and stuff. That was awesome.

Starting point is 00:02:41 Yeah, yeah. That was a cool day, man. It was good. I wish we did stuff like that more often, you know? I guess we could, but. Well, I think that's why, I mean, you have a foundation that can do it when you're not able to do it. For sure. But, yeah, I agree with it.

Starting point is 00:02:54 It feels like. It feels good to actually get out and do it yourself, you know what I mean? Yeah. It can be a little stressful. You know, you got to keep it timed up, right, to where you're not sticking around in one place too long and all that stuff. You know, you've got to be a little tactful about it, but it's good. Yeah. And Tony Vitello, is that a thing?

Starting point is 00:03:12 Mm-hmm. Yeah, dude. He came out. He's the best. Yeah, he's cool, too, man. He always helps with stuff involved in our foundation, and we stay in touch on a regular basis. Yeah, I tried to invite him to a bracket the other day.

Starting point is 00:03:26 I was like, you're probably not allowed to do this, are you? He said, no. Okay. All right, that's right. I'm in that bracket, man. I try to invite him into that bracket. You and meet you're tired right now. I think we're in first.

Starting point is 00:03:37 Yeah, we are. I saw that. Yeah, we are. I checked this morning. Dude, yeah, one thing that was crazy about your dad, though, he was fasting whenever we're doing that. That's right. He'd been on a 40-day fast.

Starting point is 00:03:47 Yeah, he's done that for like as long as I can remember. I remember him like when I was growing up, he would just go and like stay out in the wild, you know, in a tent or something and just drink apple juice or something. I'm like, dude, how is this possible, you know? That doesn't sound like that. That sounds like hiding from your wife. Yeah, yeah, he needed some space.

Starting point is 00:04:08 Didn't have enough money to get a trailer or something. But that was, I just didn't, because it was crazy because I'd just been looking into fasting because people say it like, if you fast, it'll help, like, eat away the cancer cells that in your body. So when he was like, I've been on 40 days. Well, they say that, that only takes like a couple days to do that. What you're talking about, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:04:26 Like, if you fast for a couple days, it'll do that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, that's right. Once you get past 48 hours. Yeah, I think what he was doing it for was spiritual purposes. Yeah. That's what he used to do it for. And that's probably what he's doing it for now.

Starting point is 00:04:40 Yeah, a team of researchers from MSK has shown for the first time that fasting can reprogram the metabolism of natural killer cells helping them to survive in the harsh environment in and around tumors while improving their cancer fighting ability. But it just blew my mind. I was like, God, this dude's on 40 days. Put this dude back in the Bible. Yeah, I mean, dude, I don't understand how that's physically possible. You know, I pretty much have been for the last little while fast until, you know, noon. I'll do my workout and like everything in the first. part of the day without eating.

Starting point is 00:05:11 Yeah. But I can't imagine going a whole day without doing it, to be honest. He's got some bandwidth on him, man. Yeah, he's a pretty strong-willed guy. He's always so chipper, dude. Yeah, I'd love getting to hang out with him. That was probably, and he tells stories about getting in the military and stuff. Some of that stuff is bonkers.

Starting point is 00:05:27 Oh, yeah, some of that stuff ain't going to be repeated on here. He makes me look calm. Dude, that's a crazy part. You start talking in. You're like, oh, well, some of this checks out. For sure, it checks out. We don't need a DNA test in his family. But you said they're moving down here?

Starting point is 00:05:42 Yeah, I'm trying to get them to. We'll see how it goes, but I'm working on it. I've been talking to them about it for a while. But, you know, just somebody uprooting their entire life to come somewhere. But me and my sister live down here. It's a tricky, you know, it's always tricky getting stuff like that to happen. But we're working on it. Yeah, that's a lot, man.

Starting point is 00:06:03 Is it, I know you have a son, Indio. India. His name's Indigo, what I call him, Indie. Indie, right. But what's that been like, dude? Because that's been probably one of the biggest things in your life, I'm sure. I mean, outside of your, I mean, like, yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, I think.

Starting point is 00:06:18 I don't even know how to ask that question. I think it just gets better and better as, you know, the older he gets. I mean, it's always been cool. But, you know, when he's, he's four years old now, he'll be five this year. Just the personality that keeps coming out and the relationship that you build, you know. And he's got a little, he's got a little sass on him. Like, he's got a little attitude, you know, which is I like. I like that spunk, you know.

Starting point is 00:06:38 Like yesterday, my dad was telling him he was trying to get him to eat. It's kind of a task to get him to eat to sit still long enough to eat, you know? And my dad was like, hey, man, if you don't eat, I'm going to put you in the bedroom. You got to go to sleep or whatever. You know, I don't know exactly what my dad said to him, but he looked at my dad and he said, I don't want you to stay here anymore. All day, brother, wow. But I just, I mean, like, it's just hilarious, you know.

Starting point is 00:07:07 And you're behind your dad, you're telling him like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just anything to keep him, keep him rocking. But he's a, he's a sweetheart, but whenever you get him. Yeah, oh, yeah. He's almost too sweet. He's too nice to everyone. Like people he doesn't know, you know.

Starting point is 00:07:22 Like, hey, man. We don't like everybody, man. We don't know these people, man. Stranger danger, baby. So I'm trying to teach him a little bit of that. He's got, he's wild, definitely. He emailed me the other day asking me to send him some Zins. I was like, dude, you got to.

Starting point is 00:07:36 Yeah, yeah. I couldn't believe he figured out, you know, how to get a hold of the iPad like that. I'm not really big on letting him, you know, sit around with an iPad, but I guess he got my nieces or something. She probably had him send, or he probably had hers send the email, you know. Hey, Haven, type this out for me. Threes or sixes? Does he out?

Starting point is 00:08:00 Yeah, does he have a... Threes or six. I just downgraded to the threes, man. I'm waning my... stuff off. Are you? I don't know. I just be putting two in. I was set up a lot. That's just a little bit of mouth math, homie. Yeah, yeah. But you'll see a dude with like 11 threes and I'm like this just get a damn 20 or something. That's like Andrew. Oh yeah. Your cousin? Yes, yes. He'll have a

Starting point is 00:08:25 multitude in there. He's only on the citrus though. He's hilarious, dude. Well, I'll ask you about him in a little bit, man. All right. Did your son have like a favorite song ears or anything? Yeah, it's a song that's not out yet. Like this, this album that I've been working on, this is the first time where he's, it seems like he's really starting to put two and two together, you know?

Starting point is 00:08:48 Yeah. I would come home after I'd been writing and I'd show him songs this time. This is the first time that he's ever cared. You know, and there's a song called Eyes Are Closed on my record. I brought it home that night. You know, we wrote it that day and took it home that night. and I was just playing. I wasn't really playing it for him.

Starting point is 00:09:06 I just had it kind of played in the background because it was my first time hearing the demo of what we had just done that day. And he was in the background, and he kind of, you know, mozied on over there and started being like, ooh, what's this, you know? And then after it was done, he said, I like that song, Daddy.

Starting point is 00:09:20 Really? And it was like the first time he had ever done that, you know? So it was a special moment for me, something I'll never forget. And he said, play that again. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, this song's a hit for me, no matter what, you know?

Starting point is 00:09:32 So, um, That was the first time I had really seen him, like, all those, you know, dots start connecting. Yeah. I bet that's special. For a while, he thought that sold by John Michael Montgomery, he thought that was me singing. He thought he was like, play Daddy's fast song. He called it the fast song. He told me to the last one.

Starting point is 00:09:53 And he thought that was me. I said, damn, man. I mean, that dude sounds pretty good, but come on. And then he's just bidding on pigs at his daycare Probably Well I went night in the ground to candy Yeah yeah that he called it the fast song And I had to finally broke it to him

Starting point is 00:10:13 I said that ain't me dude Oh yeah And the email he sent me he's like yeah You need to listen to my father's hit Cottonide Joe as well Yeah Well we are from Knoxville you know He's seen that sign a few times That checks out man

Starting point is 00:10:26 As you make more music So the new album I'm the problem as you make more music because you have been so like prolific I think that's the word What does prolific mean? I think that's the right word too Okay

Starting point is 00:10:39 But I don't know if either one of us should be If there were the dictionary guys Yeah yeah definitely It's like a lot Producing much fruit Producing much fruit foliage or offspring Actually it says I'd been that prolific

Starting point is 00:10:56 In that term but yeah Presenting one plentiful it says Producing many works But is it does it get tougher to like, okay, how do I have, do I not have a song that sounds that's similar to a song I previous had? Because when you have so many songs, does that get a little bit tougher? What's that like?

Starting point is 00:11:12 Yeah, I think it does, you know? Like, has there been a great song that comes that's like you guys have put together and then you're like, oh, man, it's just a little too close to this? Well, for this album, I feel like I just didn't let it get to that point. You know, at least if I was a part of writing it, you know, I think I can't remember exactly how many ones I was and wasn't a part of writing. but if a song came in from like as a pitch

Starting point is 00:11:36 I kind of knew immediately I was like oh these people are writing this might have made my last record maybe probably not but you know it's like it's like that's what it felt like

Starting point is 00:11:48 to me right a lot of the pitches were that yeah because I guess people are just going they don't know where your next step is and who you are there was a select group of writers that I kind of you know told a little bit what I was trying to accomplish you know and I feel like that

Starting point is 00:12:01 that really helped me find a certain one of the sounds that's on my record. But for me, when I'm writing, you know, you can kind of tell from the idea almost if the song is going to be similar or not, you know. And that was something that was tougher for me because a lot of, you know, a lot of the things that were successful and that were easy in the past were just like whiskey drinking, you know, like all that stuff. And I've kind of just almost explored every angle of that that's possible, you know. Like there's still, there's still some possible ways to get that in there.

Starting point is 00:12:31 but I tried to dig deeper, man. And, you know, and I, a lot of my guys that I write with, we kind of kept the, at least for me, when I was writing, we kept five or six guys. We didn't always write together. But, you know, that kind of core group of guys, we all just had a good sense of what we were shooting for and just trying not to say the same thing that I've said before

Starting point is 00:12:51 and, you know, incorporating new things. So I feel like it was harder. You know, I had to work harder. Yeah? Like, what do you mean, like finding new angle, like drop in? Just finding new angles and just thinking up ideas, you know, and there's, you know, or just maybe somebody had an idea and they brought it in, and I'm like, well, that's pretty good. But like trying to find a way to make it something different, you know, like it sounds like that,

Starting point is 00:13:16 what idea would have been on the last record, but maybe I can flip this or flip that into making it something that's more unique, you know? So just trying to dig deeper and not just not just saying, oh, yeah, not just being content with something, you know, just digging deeper. Yeah, just digging deeper. Because you can kind of, yeah, it's funny, I was talking to Charlie Hansom the other night. Dude, that guy's, bro, him and Marissa, is that is Marissa? Yeah, Marissa, yeah. Bro, they're hilarious, bro. They are hilarious.

Starting point is 00:13:41 She's so funny, dude. She kind of keeps him in check, I feel like. It's the pairing, both of them, because he's kind of so kind of rough around the edges, like, I don't know, maybe that's a crazy, it's not a crazy thing to say about him. No, definitely not. I think he'd probably agree with that. Yeah, he's, he's just so, he's. He's so real. He's just...

Starting point is 00:14:01 He's pretty blunt guy. Yes. Pretty blunt. Yes, he is. Which I've always loved that about him. You know, when he first got to town, I guess that was probably, shoot, we wrote if I know me. I mean, it had to be either 17 or 18 when I first met him. Wow.

Starting point is 00:14:14 And 2007 or 18, not when I was 17 or 18 years old. But, you know, he kind of, I think he came from L.A., so he had like this, I don't know. I guess it's different out there, you know. It seems like it's like a dick measuring contest out there a lot. Well, people are probably, yeah. Yeah, that could be true. And I think he had brought a lot of that mindset to Nashville, you know. And whenever we were first writing, I'm like, hey, man, you know, like, you ain't got to be like that, you know.

Starting point is 00:14:43 Like, it ain't like that here. Yeah. You know, so we just, and I would give him a hard time when he would be acting like that. I'd always, you know, talk shit and stuff. So we just became instant friend, like that kind of friend, you know. I could see that 100%, dude. Yeah. Because what did I say?

Starting point is 00:14:55 Oh, he gotten married, right? And his wife one night, I think they, you know. She probably had a cocktail or two and invited me to their wedding, right? Yeah. And I had to work that weekend. But I saw pictures you win, I think Hardy went. It looked at a good time. I mean, it was a beautiful wedding, man.

Starting point is 00:15:08 I mean, it really, really beautiful. It was on an island somewhere. Yeah, an island marauda. It was like, you know, you heard of that show, Bloodline? Oh, yeah. It was that compound where that was filmed. Oh, damn. So it was legit.

Starting point is 00:15:22 God. Yeah, but, and then so when I saw me, I said, hey, man, I'm sorry I couldn't make it to the wedding. He's like, well, you know. We weren't really expecting you there. Yeah. I don't know if they were in the damn wood and I don't know if they was expecting me there. I showed up about an hour before we were supposed to start

Starting point is 00:15:36 and left before it was over. But I was proud to be there, man. It was cool. I really appreciated it. It was cool. But he's just like, look, man, we don't super know each other that good, he said. But it was so like just the realest shit ever.

Starting point is 00:15:50 He's like, and if we become better friends and, you know, and that happens, then, yeah, man, I'd expect you to be at my, you know, if I get divorced or if I do it, renew of the bells. I'd expect you to be my divorce in now. Dude, it was just like, and I was like, dude, you're so right. I was like, and it didn't make me want to get to know him more

Starting point is 00:16:07 because it was like just cutting through the bullshit. I love that. That's a definite, that's an accurate way of describing him. Which I think is probably would make some a good songwriter too, because it's like, you got to, like, if you're too much bull, it's like, if you can cut through the bullshit. Well, yeah, he's, he'll definitely tell you like,

Starting point is 00:16:26 or if you're on something, he's like, man, that sucks, you know? And that's what, I mean, I feel like I have a pretty good gauge of, you know, what's good and what's not. But, like, it's nice to have another person in the room who will tell you straight up. Yeah. Because especially when you do get to, like, get to this level, people sometimes don't check you the way they should, you know. They'll just let you rock with it and, you know, whatever. Damn, dude.

Starting point is 00:16:48 No, it's just interesting to hear you say that. I had a guy a few years ago as I had taken out a guy. We went to lunch and he's married and we're both. straight, but we went and had lunch together. Thanks for clarifying, man. But yeah, he was just, he's been like a manager of like some of the most popular comedians over time. And I was talking to him, he goes, well, you kind of have to evolve with your audience.

Starting point is 00:17:09 He's like, you know, going back to kind of what you said earlier about, like, you know, some people probably present songs to you, that would have been great an album or two ago. It's like, dang, that would have been. But it's like you evolved. Yeah, I mean, you can't blame. You know, you can't blame them. You know what's in your head and what you're going to do next. Yeah, and they only have, like, the footprints that they've seen you leave so far make that they can even judge on.

Starting point is 00:17:31 Right. Like, I've heard wasted on you. I've heard that 2.0 18,000 times, you know, in my inbox. A lot of them don't even make it to me because it gets sniff before it even gets to me. But I've heard plenty of them, you know. Oh, yeah, for sure. I understand it, but, you know, you can't settle like that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:17:52 But you also don't want to go too far either because then your fans are. like, oh, dude, you know, what's, Chris, what's his name,

Starting point is 00:17:59 Chris Gaines? Is he just taking a lot of mushrooms or something? You know, like you can get that guy too. This manate to one time he said,

Starting point is 00:18:05 he goes, one thing you have to, you have to evolve with your audience. If you try to hide that you're evolving or that you're growing, because your audience also grows, right? Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:13 So he's like, if you try, it's, it can be a trap sometimes to try to just fit your, fit your current feet back in your old footprints. And I just thought it was interesting to hear somebody said,

Starting point is 00:18:22 I'd never really thought about, because sometimes you're like, stay right here, but you're not there anymore, you know? Yeah, and I mean, even if it's just subtle changes, it don't have to be, like, huge things, you know? Yeah, you don't have to come out and do, like, a Mozart style. Right, right, you know, like, in my last album, I had plenty of trap beats and stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:18:41 This time, I was like, hey, man, let's just, let's tone that back a little bit. I'm tired of it. I'm tired of it. I'm tired of it. So, if I'm tired of it, they're probably tired of hearing it. Yeah. You know, so just, like, certain things that you can still get that same swag or that same, you can accomplish certain things without doing the same exact thing.

Starting point is 00:18:56 You know, so it's just simple stuff like that in some cases. Do you feel like you've always had a pretty good, like, instinct about that kind of stuff? Like, is that something that you think you really have? Like, you kind of can feel. I like to think so, man. I feel like I can tell when something's getting tired, you know? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:19:14 That's a gif, man. Yeah, I guess so. Maybe God gave me that. I don't know. I've also learned from people in my, you know, that I've been around for the last 10 years who I feel like I've learned from and that have helped me with that as well. You know, I don't think I was just fully just,

Starting point is 00:19:30 I think I had a knack for it already, but I think I've, you know, developed it and learned from people as well. So, yeah, yeah. I've always had a tough time, like, because I've always been like a do-it-yourself kind of guy. Like, I feel like I know what I'm doing. Like, I work hard.

Starting point is 00:19:43 But then recently I've had to, like, realize I need help more. It's like, I can't always give this guy a hard time. I need to see, you know what I'm saying? Like, I can't always butt up against every wall, you know, because I'll just do that. It's just my nature. because I don't want help a lot of times.

Starting point is 00:19:57 Yeah, yeah. Man, that shit has been... That's a big deal. Yeah, it's been getting better, though, recently. Even just, like, just little things. I just started noticing it's getting a little bit better. And the irony is everything's been easier. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:10 The more I let help come in. I think there's certain areas in my life. Like, with music, I've always kind of... I've been a good teammate. I don't know why that is. You know, maybe I've just always... Like the, I like the, the aspect of feeling like you're on a team, I guess, because I played sports and stuff so much growing up, you know?

Starting point is 00:20:29 Like, for me, I enjoy the camaraderie of making music with my buddies and doing all that stuff, you know. So I've always kind of enjoyed the help and the team aspect of that. But there's other areas in my life where I, I'm like you, where I'm like, I don't, you know, whatever. No, no, I'm good. Yeah, I'm good. Yeah. So it's not, it doesn't necessarily permeate throughout my entire life. It's just that one thing where I've been able to.

Starting point is 00:20:52 to do that. Yeah. Oh, dude, I'll be sitting in a damn bottom of a hole. There'll be a thousand

Starting point is 00:20:57 people out there with rope and I'll be like, I'm good. Yeah. I'll find one. I'll find it. There's one down here somewhere. And they'll be up there

Starting point is 00:21:06 and they're like, this dude's an idiot. Yeah. Yeah, you're damn right. I am. Yeah, I'm proud of it too.

Starting point is 00:21:13 Yeah. Yeah. Then I'm proud of it. That's the best part. Is it tough in your life? I mean, dude, your music,

Starting point is 00:21:20 it's like, it's just been such a way, that like, I mean, you couldn't travel around town without seeing every guy to stoplight look like, you know, look like a Morgan Wall and look like a, like a, hear your music ever, every store, like, are there a moments for you where it's like, God, this guy's got to tell it. Like, it's like, where it almost, where you become too much for you, like, is that ever, like, does that make any sense?

Starting point is 00:21:44 Yeah, no, it does. It's still, it's still weird. And there's parts of that that I don't like. I mean, I think anybody who has to deal with that, it's not. it's not ideal, you know, it's not ideal to go everywhere. And even if you don't get, like, you know, bothered, you, you were on edge the whole time because you thought you might. It's like there's just not a lot of, not, there's, there's things that you just don't do.

Starting point is 00:22:07 Yeah. You just don't do them anymore, you know, but that's okay. That's why, that's why I've taken up hunting so much, I think, you know, because I can go, be with my buddies. I'm in the middle of nowhere. I can be at ease. I can not stress out. you just find ways to supplement it, I think, you know.

Starting point is 00:22:24 Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of funny. You can't really go to a bar anymore because there'd be too much hassle. And it's probably the best thing for you. It's definitely the best thing for me, you know? I mean, if you're using a bar as a specific example, that's definitely the best thing for me. I ain't been in a bar since the last time I was in a bar that everybody knows about. How is that?

Starting point is 00:22:50 That feels like a bar right there. It does. I made it to bars is the last. It sounds like an old country song for sure. But yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, the most public time I was in a bar, that's the last time I was in a bar. Dude, have you seen those, uh, there's an AI bar thing that makes, uh, country songs? There's one about a bar. You got to see if you can pull it up, um, Trevin.

Starting point is 00:23:15 Is it good? Dude, it's pretty funny. Let me see. Uh, this shit. kind of surprised me. What I'm about... Oh, it's the right one, kitchen. And the second one right there

Starting point is 00:23:26 with the guy and the lady in the truck. Yeah. Turn that up for a second. It's just ridiculous. Look, change it to whiskey and have Morgan Wall and sing it. That's one of the number one comments. Hey, start it back over and just turn it up

Starting point is 00:23:41 a little bit. We can't hear it. But this is just like AI made this. self some breakfast another beer of course that's when my baby said to me I want to get a divorce But now I definitely need

Starting point is 00:24:05 To go grab another beer Or two or three So I can start Think it clear Oh it's a perfect A from beer That's good man But it's just crazy

Starting point is 00:24:17 That AI wrote that Like it's just somebody just put it in Dude AI is nuts man It's just making beer song I was talking to my mom about A.I. This morning That is, I mean, you know, could be a hit. Hey, if we're sitting here listening to it.

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Starting point is 00:28:22 You know what I'm talking about. Bad words. What are you listening to right now, man? And everybody asks that. It's a good question. I've been trying to find new stuff to listen to. I don't find a whole lot of new stuff to listen to. I've been listening to old.

Starting point is 00:28:39 I'm mostly only listening to music if I'm driving or if I'm working out. That's about the only time I listen to music, which I do those things, a decent amount, you know. Kind of same, man. That's kind of when I do it. Yeah. Stephen Wilson, I've been listening to you. Yeah, he's good. He's really good.

Starting point is 00:28:54 Great lyricists. Yeah, yeah, he's a special talent. That song about his, my father's son. Hardy played that one with him. God, that's good. Yeah, that guy is really, really good. Zach Topps' voice is really amazing. I don't listen to country music a whole lot.

Starting point is 00:29:07 I think I've always kind of been that way. I know who Zach Toppe is, and I do agree. he's very he's very solid jesse murph big x the plug you've heard that song that uh-uh no they have a collab that's pretty dope that's cool yeah it's good me and me and big x we almost did a song um but i don't know i didn't i actually sent him a song and he didn't finish it so i don't know that's on him um i guess i don't know what he was doing he was jail did he i think so for what not a long time not long enough not i went to jail too man Hey, what's doing it?

Starting point is 00:29:44 Hey, if you behind bars, write a couple. Yeah. No, it was kind of spur of the moment thing, though. I got a song on my record called Miami. And I haven't heard that one yet. They sent me a couple of the songs. Did they? Yeah, it's cool.

Starting point is 00:29:57 Yeah, Miami. It's like a Keith Whitley flip. So it's like an old, you know Miami, Miami that song? Have you ever heard that? Miami, Miami. What took you so long? I don't you never call? Oh, no, I never seen it.

Starting point is 00:30:13 People talk about Keith Whitley. That's one of his bigger type songs, I guess. But we flipped it and turned it into more of like a... It's a little more like rap style. But it's cool, man. I like it. It's cool. It seemed like it could use a rapper on there.

Starting point is 00:30:28 I didn't end up using a feature. We ended up just making a second verse. But it's one of those songs where I could... It wouldn't be surprising if we got like a remix and did that. You know what I mean? Once it's out and all that stuff. What? You're famous, like you guys had this whole, like these different walkouts that you did over the years, right?

Starting point is 00:30:46 Really fun. And thanks for letting me be part of the one in Nashville. Yeah, yeah. Do you have a favorite one that kind of stood out to you? And no judgment to any of them. I mean, Neeland Stadium is, you know, that's my home. That's where I grew up watching games. And Peyton put those pads on?

Starting point is 00:31:01 Peyton, that one was really good. The baseball team one we did was really good, too. But that Peyton won. That was one of the, you know, it's hard to beat. Anything that happened those two nights at that stadium, I find myself just being like, yeah, that's pretty, those are like the, you know, some of the best memories I've had. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:20 Oh, yeah. So sick. He's so ridiculous. He came out looking like he was actually about to go play with his facial expressions and stuff. Hey, I think half the boosters wanted to sign, some boosters, I think we're trying to holler out. Probably. Hey, man, you got another year eligibility. We'll find something out.

Starting point is 00:31:38 Yeah, man, that was special, dude. So cool. Yeah, but the walkouts are, they're just, the energy that comes from those just could last you, I mean, maybe not the entire show, but it'll last you a while, you know, and then once you get out there

Starting point is 00:31:54 and compound the energy that comes along with the actual show, it's just, it's a rush. Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's that coach right there that we put that water on. Yeah, Hypo. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:07 Oh, he's thugging. big thugging right there. He was, dude. What else has happened? So, you have your, the first time you're going to play your new album will be at Sand in My Boots Fest? I'll play some of my album there. You know, the album comes out on the 16th. I play on the 18th. I'll probably, I'll play some of the new stuff.

Starting point is 00:32:30 That's another thing, man. It's hard to, it's hard picking set list at this point, too. You know, that gets real tricky. Do you do that yourself? kind of organize it? Yeah, me and my band do it together. You know, it's a lot of it's data-driven, you know, because you can see, you know, which songs people,

Starting point is 00:32:53 the majority of people want to hear. Like, you're always going to miss somebody's favorite song. You're probably going to miss my favorite song, you know, in some sets. Just trying to figure out a way this year, since, you know, I'm only playing 20 shows. So probably, if I can try to figure out a way to not play the same set list all the time,

Starting point is 00:33:14 you know, because last year I'd interchanged a couple, but I think it's going to be, I'm going to make a bigger effort to try to make the set list different for at least each night. You know, maybe not every single show would be a different set list, but like night one, night two. Yeah. Because we're playing two nights in each place. So night, you know, trying to separate the two nights as far as music goes.

Starting point is 00:33:37 Should be interesting. we've never done that before. We would always just do like maybe change one or two songs. You know, I'm thinking maybe a little more than that. I like that. Yeah, that way if he wanted to come for both nights too, they could and hear different stuff too. Yeah, and a lot of people already do come both nights,

Starting point is 00:33:50 so that would be nice for them too. Yeah. There's really no way to do it perfectly. Somebody's going to be disappointed or, you know, at any point. Oh, they didn't play this song or he didn't play that song. But trying our best. I'm not going to play for four hours either. So, you know.

Starting point is 00:34:03 Yeah. You got to keep it within reason. We got to meet in the middle, guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I don't want to sing for four hours, you know. Two hours about, maybe a little longer two hours. You put it on, man. Like, my show, like, I'll be out there for maybe about an hour and 15 minutes is probably

Starting point is 00:34:21 a sweet spot for me to be on stage, I think, with a comedian where they're just, because we don't have any backup instruments. So people are like, fuck, somebody tapping a violin or something with this bastard, you know, people get a little bit tired of it. But I can't, and that burns me out, man. I used to do two shows, and I only do one tonight. But I can't imagine. Oh, you used to do two shows in.

Starting point is 00:34:38 one night. Yeah. Back to back. Yeah. When you first started out as a... I think I remember you telling me that. Yeah, I think like even whenever I first came to town, you guys came one night and saw me over at Zanis, man.

Starting point is 00:34:49 Yeah, yeah. That was cool. And you came into my podcast early, man, and that helped me, it helped give me some, uh, just support in the community. I didn't even realize it was early because to me, I'd been listening to you for, like, a little while, you know? So I already knew you and knew about you and knew your story and everything. So it wasn't like, hey, come do this weird new guys' podcast.

Starting point is 00:35:08 I already knew who you were. Well, it was just support, you know, it was nice to have some support right when I got into town. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm glad. I'm glad we got to do it, man. Damn, that was in 2020. Was it really? God. Dang, bro.

Starting point is 00:35:20 Look how happy you were. I think I got... I'm joking, dude. We both look happy. That's the pictures we picked. I look like I'm in pain. You look like you just came from the dentist. I look so white.

Starting point is 00:35:30 Yeah, I think we had some, we had bad lighting then. Golly. We bought some better lights. I look at pasty boy. What's up with the free time now? So you go hunting? Where do you guys like to go? Well, all over the place, man.

Starting point is 00:35:45 I got a farm outside of town that we've been, you know, planting and getting all the agriculture right. I don't think you've been to my farm, have you? Oh, no, I may have it's been to your house. Yeah, yeah, you've just been to my house, I believe. But yeah, so we got deer and turkeys down there. Oh, yeah. So that's pretty much what it's geared towards. It's a really good, we bought it.

Starting point is 00:36:10 It was already a really good turkey farm. And then we've just been adding a lot of the agriculture and all that stuff to try to make it a better deer farm. What makes a good setup like that? Like what's the best way to make it set up where it's challenging to the hunter? But also like, I mean, it's always going to be challenging when deer hunting just, you know, because you only get to kill two bucks in a season in a state, you know, so you're not, you're not just going to go out there and shoot everything you see. Oh.

Starting point is 00:36:38 You know what I mean? Like you may let a really good deer walk because you're trying to get a better, you know that there's a better deer in the area or you believe there's a better deer in the area. You know, like we have cameras and stuff now so we can kind of take inventory on stuff. But you don't, I think people, I don't know what people think about hunting, but like you don't just go out there and just massacre animals. You know what I mean? You're not out there with a handgun or not.

Starting point is 00:37:02 No. But, I mean, it's interesting. I mean, the main thing is food. You know, food and betting. That's really all. That's what, those are the two main things that you need to have a good hunting farm. Okay. As long as you got there, the type of betting that they want and preferably the type of food that they want,

Starting point is 00:37:20 then you're going to keep those deer on your farm because they ain't going to, they don't need to leave to go find either one of those. Right. They're happy. So they'll stay in their home range and they'll stay there and you can grow them, you know, like we don't want to, at least try to get them to be five years old. And that's, that's minimum that what we want to do, you know, depending on where you're at in the country,

Starting point is 00:37:39 people will let them get older. It's a little different, I think, depending on your land, depending, because you know, like, if you spend all this time and money and then you got your neighbor who, if your deer walks across to their property line, they might shoot it before you,

Starting point is 00:37:54 you were planning on shooting it. So, you know, it's a little bit of a, it can be a little bit of a game. So there can be property line beef like that. Oh, yeah. There's all kinds of that going on. Damn, what I do that. Yeah, there's a lot of hunting property line beef.

Starting point is 00:38:07 And what about Reindeer? Do you ever see reindeer out there or not? I personally came across one. My son did just get a reindeer call, and one of my buddies from Alabama made him a reindeer call. Oh, wait for Christmas? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, it's hilarious. It was cool.

Starting point is 00:38:24 Bro, you got to use that with him. That's pretty cool. Imagine that, dude, you're a kid, and you think it was a nice reindeer call you're bringing in Santa, dude. Yeah, he thinks that's what he's doing. I mean, that would be, I don't even think he's actually tried it. Like, he, I guess that was probably last, last Christmas. So he's just, he's came, he's just got a lot of new interests and stuff this year. So I think I was, I came home this past weekend and I was working on my turkey call just in my mouth, you know.

Starting point is 00:38:51 And he was trying to like mimic me and stuff. It was hilarious. He's just screaming, basically. Is it fun to watch him kind of grow? Like, what, has it been interesting? Is there a moment where you see him learn something and you almost see him learn it? Like, does that kind of happen? Yeah, it's cool.

Starting point is 00:39:08 Like, I've been working on him on how to catch and stuff, you know. I've just been using, like, a soft basketball. That I've got one of those, you know, just basketball goals. You hang up on the door. Oh, yeah, there's just so much phone here. I use it more than him still. Yeah. You just make it him rebound for you.

Starting point is 00:39:26 Yeah, every time I'm on a phone, I'll just put my headphones in and just start shooting for, like, 30 minutes. Since it's been cold, especially. Yeah. But yeah, just, you know, when we first started, he couldn't do it. And then, you know, a couple weeks later, he's, like, catching. And, you know, he can catch a bounce pass now. You know, it's just like just seeing those things progress in such a short period of time is cool. Does it make you have a different appreciation for your own dad?

Starting point is 00:39:52 Or is it adjusted y'all's relationship any, you think? Is that a weird question to ask? No, it's not a weird question. I think, yeah, I think it probably does. You know, I mean, me and my dad, we butted heads a lot growing up. up, especially once I got to high school, just because I was, I was, I was, I was kind of ridiculous. And I think he was kind of ridiculous when he was that age too.

Starting point is 00:40:14 So he was just trying to, hey, don't be like me when I was that age, you know, like, I know what this turns, I know how this ends usually. So we just butted heads. I didn't, you know, you don't believe anything your parents say when you're, no, it's the last person you want to believe. It's not even possible. It wasn't possible in my head to believe that. That's crazy to think now.

Starting point is 00:40:31 I'm like, damn, they were right. But in my head, it was not physically possible. to think that they could be right. It just wasn't. It's kind of crazy because, like, oh, these two people that love me and care about it raise me this far. They're trying to ruin my life. They're trying to ruin my life. Yeah, that's what you think.

Starting point is 00:40:46 It's wild. Totally. It's insane, really, but that's what I thought. But, yeah, I mean, after, you know, I moved out and really once I think I got moved down here to Nashville, that's when we became closer. Yeah. Closer than ever, because I moved here pretty young. You know, I was 22 when I moved here.

Starting point is 00:41:03 Yeah. and almost been here 10 years coming up. Mm-hmm. So it's, I think just having that space and then just being able to, you get older to, you know, and just... Oh, that's the biggest thing. You're like, oh, shit, none of that other shit even matter what I'm doing. Like, yeah, you may...

Starting point is 00:41:17 Maybe you could have went about it a little different or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, but, like, the intentions were right. Yeah, I mean, I just got spending time with my mom. It's like, a lot of my life, it's like I'm waiting for my mom to, like, show me certain attention or affection or something. The other night we were just sitting there, we're watching at the opera, and she went there, like, 40 years ago or something.

Starting point is 00:41:34 you know and um and i'm like it's kind of stupid but i just reach over and grab my mom's hand you know because sometimes it's like it's not about me being a kid anymore it's just about me being she's an older woman now so it's like let me just be an adult and almost act like i'm the parent you know i'm not the parent now but let me i don't know it's an old part of me like a child part of me like oh man it's my brother wish my mom would you know pat me on the bag just do something you know show me a little bit of love or something but then i just grabbed her hand and then we just watched it together and it was like me kind of i don't know there's a little moment for me where I was like, I'm not going to be that old grudge.

Starting point is 00:42:09 I'm just going to move forward. That's cool. Yeah. But it was just interesting. Or just to get my mom a hug while we're sitting there, you know, just like, you know. Yeah. Me and my mom, my mom always, we always had like a super, super good relationship. She was always loving and stuff, you know.

Starting point is 00:42:22 So I just, I felt all that for my mom. But me and my dad, you know, like I said, we butted heads. So it was more of just getting past that phase in my life. But I didn't, once it was, once that phase was over, It was over. Right. To me. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:42:36 You know, I don't have any sort of hard feelings towards it. Oh, yeah. Dude, your dad is so funny, dude. Right when I see him, my face just fucking smile. I know. Me too. He's just energetic. Chipper, you said he was chipper.

Starting point is 00:42:48 That's the right word for him. And he's been fasting for like 700 days, dude. At this point, I don't know. Oh, he ain't fasting. He ain't fasting right now. I've been seeing this man eat during this trip. He's been down here. He ain't fasting.

Starting point is 00:42:59 Don't let him lie to you. Because I've been basically, I've been, you know, eating clean and stuff trying to get ready for tour and all that. And they're, you know, bribing me with all these hamburgers and stuff. I'm like, man, go cook at somewhere else. What about motorcycling? You got a motorcycle. I remember last one so you were talking about.

Starting point is 00:43:20 Did you get one? Yeah, I got it. Oh, you have a Harley had on today. I do, yeah. Gang, gang, that's a nice, dude. Let's go, baby. I got this awesome, like, vintage thing. Yeah, it's tough, too.

Starting point is 00:43:30 Yeah, man, I enjoy it. You do? Yeah. Which I kind of had ridden dirt bikes and stuff a little bit, you know, enough to understand my way around a bike already. Right. So me and Cody and TD and a few other of us, a few others, we all got bikes. Look at that shit. I buy the cologne, whatever they're selling right there.

Starting point is 00:43:53 It does look like that. It really does, huh? Exhaust by Morgan Wall. Exhaust. Smells like a fart. That wouldn't be a bad cologne. Oh, no, dude. Smells like Morgan Wallen's farts, man.

Starting point is 00:44:07 What if you had a blow to start that thing? What if you had a fucking one of those breath things on it? I'm surprised I don't. I'm surprised. Has anybody ever had a motorbike that has that on it? I'm sure they have. I'm surprised I don't have that on every vehicle I've got. Shout out to Davidson County.

Starting point is 00:44:29 Sorry, man. No, that's a handsome picture. Man, that looks nice. Thanks, man. But you get out there. I like it because it's like, you got your helmet on, nobody knows who you are. You get out there. You got to focus on it too.

Starting point is 00:44:41 You got to be, you ain't on your phone. You know, you ain't doing anything else. You're just thinking about what you got to do on that bike. Yeah. So I enjoy that aspect of it a lot. Like, at least me, I physically can't do anything else other than, you know, think about what's going on on this bike. Be locked in.

Starting point is 00:44:57 Yeah. So I like that aspect of a lot. You know, you'll be riding and then all of a sudden it's five hours have gone by. and you just don't realize that that happened, yeah. Damn, I got to get out there sometime. I'm just so bad. I'm bad at being in motion. Well, that might not be for you then.

Starting point is 00:45:12 Yeah. I'm better, I'm better. What do you mean? Wait, what do you mean? Keep going. I'm bad at just, like, being in motion and having to think at the same time. I'm more of a stopping thing than move. What are we thinking about, though?

Starting point is 00:45:26 Just anything, whatever the next thing has to be. It's just hard for me. Like, I get, I just, I think I... You can just be in the back of the line, then. Yeah, yeah, I'll be in the back. You can just follow us. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I would be a good, yeah, I don't want to be at the front.

Starting point is 00:45:37 Okay. Yeah. Or the middle. The middle is probably the safest anyway. You can be in the middle. Because you're protected in the back. You're protected in the front. You don't have to make any decisions.

Starting point is 00:45:46 You just follow the decisions. That's right I need to be then. I don't, yeah, you should take, what's Harry. You should go take Harry's motorcycle class. That's who we took our class for. Really? Is it good? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:45:56 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I learned things I didn't know. Yeah. You know? Oh, God. It wasn't easy necessarily either. You know, there was things that were challenging.

Starting point is 00:46:04 Do y'all go in a pack when you go out there? I've ridden a couple times by myself, but I would have somebody following me, you know, like my security or just anyone. But we mostly just ride at least in groups of two. Yeah. A lot of times, groups of four. That's tough, man. Maybe I'll have to get out there.

Starting point is 00:46:21 I got to pray about that. Yeah, I don't want to. Don't let me, I'm not influencing you at all. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, thank you. Yeah, I don't want to be out there. It's like, listen.

Starting point is 00:46:28 I'm the problem You can just get in the sidecar Yeah, you're a little German sidecar Yeah, dude, your cousin Andrew and I are friends, man Yeah He's a class, dude, he is Okay, your family is funny, dude

Starting point is 00:46:45 You got a lot of characters in our family That's what you had, dude Even when I remember when you first told me I met you about your Uncle David or somebody You would come to your holidays Oh yeah And then just different people you would tell me And then getting to meet your dad

Starting point is 00:46:56 And then, yeah, Andrew and I become friends over the years. He's, he's hilarious, dude. Went fishing with him. He fuck, dude, that dude will, he'll put a damn, he'll start fishing anywhere. You pass by a Chase Bank and he'll cast over there and put a, what are you trying to catch, man? Frog top on there, just because there's a bank. He'll fucking put a, dude. He'll catch a damn. He'll catch a safe deposit box over there, 12 pounds, brother. But he, dude, he's just good. He took us out to some property, him and Ben Weppern, I think is the guy's name. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:47:29 And we had a blast, man, but he's good. Where'd y'all go to Hohemaw? No, we went to... Oh, you went to Ease. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We went to Ease, and it was cool, though. I hadn't been there. God, that's beautiful.

Starting point is 00:47:41 That place is immaculate. God. Yeah, that was good, man. He got some big fish in there. It's a beautiful spot, man. But does he hunt? Does he hunt? Does he hunt?

Starting point is 00:47:50 Does he hunt? Yeah, yeah, yeah, some. He does. Yeah, I like hunting with him. You know, he works for Field and Stream, so he travels a lot doing that job. which I think is a really good job for him. He loves it, man. Yeah, he's talented, but he's hilarious, dude.

Starting point is 00:48:03 We all keep telling him like he should have his own YouTube channel or something. Really should, man. Just a series of some sort. And this is the things that happen to that guy? I'm like, dude, I don't know how this has occurred to you. But, you know, the world deserves to hear this. Yeah, that's okay, brother. The world deserves to share in your pain that you're dealing with right now.

Starting point is 00:48:25 Yeah, that's okay. Because the things that happened to him are just, Unbelievable, man. Bro, he's just such a good story. Yeah, he's, bro, he has been, getting to know him's been a gift, man. Yeah, he is a true, he's a treasure, man.

Starting point is 00:48:40 He really is. He's a national treasure. He's a buried treasure too. I mean, I really, he is buried right now. We keep, I mean, maybe he'll take this and he'll watch this clip and go start his channel, you know? He's entertained, yeah, man, he's just entertained.

Starting point is 00:48:55 He's E to D to be around. And yeah, that feeling his dream job with him is perfect. And he can do both. he could have that job and do, you know, that could almost be part of it. Or find a way to put them together. That's what I'm saying. It could be part of the same thing.

Starting point is 00:49:04 You couldn't find a guy that's more perfect for that. Has there been something nice that you kind of got yourself as a gift that you started, you know, feeling like you were doing pretty well and? I mean, a trip you took or anything. Yeah, I mean, I'm, I used to be probably a little more frugal than I am right now. Yeah, same. like, I don't like going to get stuff. I don't like shopping for stuff, too.

Starting point is 00:49:32 Yeah. I'm trying to think if there's anything that I was just really splurged out on. You know, I got a couple watches and just things like that. But, and then I got a couple nice cars. I mean, I don't feel like I'm over the top big spender guy. Yeah. You know, and a lot of times. What was your first car?

Starting point is 00:49:53 Do you remember it? Yeah, it was a Jeep Cherokee. What is it really? Dude, I got a freaking Jeep Cherokee, dude. You do right now? Yeah, in Los Angeles have a car there It's got like 12,000 miles on it Oh, this thing had a lot more than 12,000 miles on it

Starting point is 00:50:05 Really? Yeah, it was a white Jeep Grand Cherokee I think it was a 95 if I'm remembering correctly Dude, I like those cars It was not a bad car I mean, it wasn't whoever had it It wasn't the most, it was like that right there That's exactly what it looked like.

Starting point is 00:50:19 God, those bitches were tough, dude It's exactly what it looked right. Yeah, I had them Ford Escort, 84 Ford Escort, pull that bitch up, dude If they'll even allow you, sometimes Google won't let you look at them anymore. And bitches are visually outlawed. Bro, that shit will walk here.

Starting point is 00:50:36 Bro, that shit don't cross. It'll remodel your eye line when you look at that bitch, dude. God damn, that bitch looks horrible. I hadn't looked at it in a few years. I mean, yeah, that's pretty bad. Especially that one on the right, that blue one. God, that one pulled up. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:56 And barely pulled up. That bitch pulled up slow, dude. It's got a two-cylinder in it. Probably it had a fucking outboard motor engine. You had to steer it like with the reverse way. Like you have to do a John boat. Yeah, it had a boat motor in it, too. Steered it from the back.

Starting point is 00:51:22 And dude, somebody stole my passenger seat in that bitch. Really? Yeah, so if you had... Was it only a two-seater anyway? No, it had three extra little seats in the back. Oh, okay, okay. But they weren't even a bench. It was three individual little bitty seats.

Starting point is 00:51:36 Three booster seats up there? You either had to have three kids that were triplets, I guess. Or a couple small buddies. But somebody had stole my damn passenger seat, dude. Did you ever get it back? Uh-uh. Some of we were eating at a burger king, and somebody stole that bitch out of there. And, but then people had to get in, they get in the car.

Starting point is 00:51:56 but they couldn't sit right there. Do you put a couple blankets down or something or what? I don't know, whatever, dude. But the one time I picked up a dude, I was getting him to buy me alcohol at a gas station, I was skipping at school, and he got in this kind of homelessy kind of guy, and he got in.

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Starting point is 00:55:51 so you got the new album coming out does it feel is there a moment where you feel that the album is finished is there a moment where you're like I just can't this is far enough could you keep going on an album

Starting point is 00:56:02 could you keep fine-tuning it forever yes for sure yeah so that's a real possibility you can overdo it yeah yeah yeah the powers that be will give you a deadline if you want certain things to happen

Starting point is 00:56:16 you know like do you want your vinyl to come to be out to be ready by when the record's ready you know things like that so you kind of they put a you know they give you a buffer because they know you're not going to have it in time they got a buffer for the buffer they got like an eight week buffer I think that they put on me but those time

Starting point is 00:56:39 those time limits are are healthy I think you know because especially, I mean, it's not like we weren't working. I mean, we worked really hard on this album, pretty much since tour was over, I've been writing and, you know, just recording all that. So, I mean, we recorded 50 or 51 songs and cut 13 or 14.

Starting point is 00:57:01 Wow. Really? Yeah, yeah. So what happens to a lot? You just kind of decide this doesn't fit here right now? Yeah, some of the songs were songs that I wrote. Some of them weren't, so if I didn't write them, then they'll just whatever happens to them not up to me anymore and then if i did you know who knows i might make a side project of something if you know if something that has nothing to do with my name

Starting point is 00:57:26 i've always kind of wanted to do that anyway you know just kind of figure out a way to it wouldn't be my voice it wouldn't i don't know how you do that i'm sure there's all kinds of ways to go about it now you know these days but oh yeah but it'd not be my name not my voice not be any kind of style of music that I normally do, you know, just to see what happens to it. Yeah. It might be like house music or something, you know. I don't know. That would be pretty sick, dude.

Starting point is 00:57:50 If you had house music? I mean, people would, if they saw my name on it, they would, I don't want it to have my name on it. I want to just see what happens if it just gets put out to the world. You know, maybe I'll, like, put it on a story or something of whoever it is, you know, dream jacker or whatever the team is. Whatever the name of the guy is. Wet dream jacker, that'd be my. Dream jacking currently. I mean,

Starting point is 00:58:17 we were talking, me and my buddies were talking about this topic the other day, actually. I don't know, it might actually happen. I'm putting out something secret, low-key, creating something? Yeah, well, I bet, because that's an interesting thing.

Starting point is 00:58:29 It's like once you kind of have made a name in one space, it's kind of how you can't, you know, you almost have, if you want to get a real test of what people think of something, you kind of have to secretly do it some other way. Yeah, but it, It wouldn't even be similar to the time of music that I'm totally. I understand that.

Starting point is 00:58:45 It would be nothing even close to what I'm doing now. It would be like, I mean, I like house music a little bit. So I'll listen to it working out or driving or stuff, you know, like melodic stuff. Like melodic stuff. Like that kind of stuff? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I like. But I feel like a lot of that stuff doesn't necessarily have a lot of words and stuff, you know.

Starting point is 00:59:04 So maybe what if I took a song of mine that didn't make my album, but it's got a story. It's got all these things. You know, what would people would people like that? I don't know. Dude, I thought this, I thought started thinking that this about two years ago. So they have like ED, you go to these nightclubs and stuff and they'll have like John Summit, these different kind of guys who are playing like house, like trance or whatever, whatever it is.

Starting point is 00:59:25 It's just people doing dope really late at night and just doing like this, you know, whatever that is. I don't know the difference between all those styles of music. It's like, it's one style of music. I know there's sub-genres and all that, but yeah. Same. I don't have a clue. But I'm always like, why don't they have a, like, a more like country. or like, why is it always, like,

Starting point is 00:59:43 if they had remixes of a lot of great country music, like, that, and you put it to that same type of shit because a lot of, people want to still go have that environment, but I don't, sometimes you get tired of that music, it just gets kind of old. So if they had remixes some dope country shit, I'm like, if they had two country DJs

Starting point is 00:59:59 that came out, like, I feel like it would be so sick just doing remixes and shit. It would be cool. I'm surprised they don't have that already. Me too, me and Caleb Presley thought about trying to do it, but then it was just like, just don't have a lot of time, you know? And that becomes something, too,

Starting point is 01:00:11 is like there's things you want to do and you just don't have enough time, you know? Yeah, yeah. And that's smart for you to realize that. I mean, it'll be like, well, I'm going to quit my job. It pays all my bills and, you know, go be a mason. It's like, well, maybe don't do that. So, yeah.

Starting point is 01:00:28 Under... Just fucking remix it, fucking Brooks and Dunn. Before you go, man, you have some amazing artists that are going to be on some of these tour dates with. Yeah, I do. Did you have to call them individually and ask them? How'd that kind of go? Because some of these are idols, really, in the industry.

Starting point is 01:00:48 Well, I feel, you know, Miranda, I'm good friends with Miranda. I'm good friends with Brooks and Dunn. So that was pretty easy. Yeah, I mean, that was already mutual interest. That's something that's kind of been a conversation for a little bit longer than just, you know, this year. So that one kind of just worked itself out between them and my managers. I'm good friends with Thomas Redd as well. So that one, they were all...

Starting point is 01:01:14 He's nice, huh? He's super nice. God, what a nice guy. He lives nearby, I think. Yeah, I think you're right. It just all kind of happened pretty naturally, but I mean, it's unbelievable to me. You know, like, I haven't really... This page that's pulled up, I mean, just to see the people that are opening for me, it's like it doesn't even make sense, you know?

Starting point is 01:01:33 Randa Ella Langley, she's a new... Yeah, she's a badass. Or she's newly more popular. Yeah. I'm not going to say she's new. I don't know about her history. I don't know. I don't either, but...

Starting point is 01:01:42 Miranda Corey Kent, I'm not familiar with him. If it's a man. It is. Yeah. He's good, too. I'm going to have to check him out. Yeah, Ann Wilson. She's a Christian artist by trait,

Starting point is 01:01:55 but she's, you know, dabbling in the country music world. She's really good. You know, she's on our agency, so... She is? Yep, yep. You started off to check her out. Oh, Gavin Adcock's out there with you to do with that fucking guy. fucking guys.

Starting point is 01:02:11 Wow, dude. I love that guy, man. Oh, dude, yeah. He's fucking, he'll eat a, fucking, he'll eat a damn three pack. I saw him eat a three pack of beers. He probably did. Oh, he'll eat fucking two beers, dude. Yeah, he doesn't give a damn, dude.

Starting point is 01:02:27 He played offensive line for Bud Light for a couple of years, I think. There is nobody like him, dude. He's fucking. He's definitely outlandish. He'll be on saying. One of those things, those military, what are those MRIs? or whatever he just got beer in there dude he'll like it

Starting point is 01:02:46 but he he's uh he's entertaining he's entertaining he's got he's got a good voice too and his his music seems like he just keeps getting better too so I'm I'm happy for him man I got to tap him more than my song play with the kid rocking them on his one of his shows last year dude I'll say this Bob Ritchie his live performance dude no he'll let him have it won't he bro I was fucking

Starting point is 01:03:10 I mean, I know, you know, but I didn't, it was good. I've never seen it person like firsthand, but it was really, I can imagine. I mean, I knew it would be, but it's just been some time, you know. It's hard to keep up, you know. I mean, being out there for two hours, I mean, you guys get, I mean, it's a lot, man. It is, man. It can be for sure. I mean, depends on how often you do it too, you know.

Starting point is 01:03:31 I mean, if you're doing it, some people, I guess, still do it three nights a week. I'm just going to do it too because it feels like a disqual, service to me and everyone else to do it three days in a row, you know, but two, two seems like a good sweet spot. You can, as long, you know, you play the show, probably don't go to bed till three, four in the morning just because you're so wound up. Yeah, you're up. People are visiting.

Starting point is 01:03:55 You got to say buy to everybody. All that shit takes. Well, I don't do all that anymore much. But even your family's there and stuff. Yeah, but even still, they know what the priorities are at this point. So if I play a show, you'll head out. Which my boy, if my boy's with me, he'll be asleep already anyway. So I'll just, we head straight.

Starting point is 01:04:10 out, don't stick around. I try to go to bed as soon as possible. Usually, like I said, don't have no three or four. Then you try your best to sleep till noon one, two, as late as you possibly can, just because your voice after doing all that, you know, you need all that rest. So it's become a little bit more like a regiment for me, which is, which is good. You know, I got a vocal coach and all that stuff too now. So it's just like, it's like a whole boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. This is how it is now, you know, and that seems to help me a lot. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of interesting when I was a little younger.

Starting point is 01:04:42 I could do those, I could do some of those stretches. And now I'm like, I don't, I wish I, when I do see them on the schedule, it's a little bit tougher. Not comparing comedy and what, you know. No, but you're, I mean, it is. I mean, it's still the same thing. It's like a regimen. It's like, yeah, I got to sleep in late. And it's like, well, that kind of sucks because now it's like, it's kind of hard if you wake up at 10 to go back to sleep for two more hours just because it's light out.

Starting point is 01:05:01 It's really hard. It's hard. It's hard. But you know, you know, you know, and I won't be able to, man, I might not want to go work out. just all the little things, like... Yeah, it does. It is, it's important. Because it's just about getting yourself back on the stage for that next... When it's time to go, it's time to go.

Starting point is 01:05:17 Yeah, I mean, back in the day, I mean, which we weren't playing two-hour shows back then either, you know? But we would play six, six shows in one week, you know? So, I don't know how... I mean, it just had to be young, I guess, you know? I mean, it wasn't like we were... I wasn't, no... The only regiment then was sleep till four, start drinking at five. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:05:34 Like, that's what it was then. And we're going to be good. Ain't that right. Bro, hell, yeah, that's the Gavin Adcock National Anthem. Yeah, I think back in the day, if I had a camera on me like Adcock does now, they might be, they would be probably saying some similar stuff about me, but he's a little more, he's a little more bold with it, I guess, than I was. Well, he's really, yeah, he's, oh, dude, he's fucking, he'll be on stage.

Starting point is 01:06:01 People, I think there's a, he's like, people are throwing fucking beers. He just has beers bouncing off of him. He's an answer. animal, dude. He'd be like the PA system shut down, but we're going to still fucking perform. He just yell. He'll hollow out of beer can and just yell out of it and shit. He's fucking doing all kinds of shit.

Starting point is 01:06:20 He is ballsy, dude. His personality's cool. He's fun guy. Very entertaining. I got to tap into more of his music. I haven't listened to a lot of his music. Yeah, you need to get him on here. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:06:30 I do need to. People say that we look alike a little bit. But I think they're just being nice to me. To you or him. One of us, dude. Oh, yeah, you got your drink here, me. He brought this today. That real tea.

Starting point is 01:06:47 How's it going? Real tea. Man, it seems to be progressing nicely. It's good. I like it. I like it on ice better. Yeah, brother. But I've always liked sweet tea better on ice.

Starting point is 01:06:58 I mean, you know, because I've been, I'm trying to eat and live and drink and all that stuff clean. So for something that's actually, you know, healthy, it's good. Yeah. Yeah, it's good for sure. I like it. I like having a nice little can of tea or something. I'll keep a couple in the car. I'll drink them warm even.

Starting point is 01:07:15 Do you? Yeah, I'll get a whole one at me at a stoplight. Yeah, I don't do all that. You don't? No. My drummer told me one time he had drank, like, I can't remember how many, you know, like 13 or something. I'm going to go ungodly in a short amount of time.

Starting point is 01:07:27 I said, damn, man, you're going to have kidney stones for sure. Hey, dude, that's, bro, maybe he'll have a cover band of the Rolling Stones. it's called kidney stones, dude. It's the rolling kidney stones. Is there a song sometimes of your own that you'll listen to or one that catch you sometimes and it'll kind of catch you in your feels a little bit? Is there anyone that you're like... I mean, yeah, the song I wrote to my son is the song.

Starting point is 01:07:53 Oh, the one that's not out yet? Yeah, that does that. It'll be out soon, but... Okay. I mean, it's also one of those things to where, you know, I've tried so many times to write a song like that for him. And it always fell flat. So I'd listen to it on the way home or whatever.

Starting point is 01:08:07 after we wrote it and I'd be like, that's good, you know, but it's not, it's not how I want it. And I also didn't want to write, like, a song to him that was all, I don't know, sappy and slow and, you know, just like what you would expect a dad's son song to be. Right. Oh, I wish you wouldn't grow up, you know, all that. Like, I didn't want it to be that. Another birthday, Kay. It's like, I didn't want that song at all.

Starting point is 01:08:39 That song's been written plenty enough. So, and I wanted it to keep, like, have a little bit of my sound and my swag and just, like, and to be honest. You know, so it was a hard thing to try to get all those things wrapped up into one song. And it's called Superman's what it's called, and I feel like we accomplished that. And when I was, when we wrote it and I was riding home, it was actually the last song that made my record. So it's not like I've had it for a long time, you know, it took us a while to, to get that song. And it was actually Blake, one of my buddy Blake's.

Starting point is 01:09:13 It was his idea. And the hook was different, though. It said Superman, I don't remember what the hook was exactly, but I was just singing it. And I was like, oh, I know what it is. And I changed the hook. And it, like, oh, there it is. And we all three of us in there, four of us in the room,

Starting point is 01:09:31 just kind of was like, oh, yeah, that's it. You know, and then on the way home, I was listening to it and started crying. and that's the first time that had happened with a song for him. So that's, I kind of knew. Yeah. That's cool, man. Yeah, man, there's one thing I've always thought you had very good instincts, man.

Starting point is 01:09:50 I've always admired your instincts, you know. Whether it's humor, we're joking around, whatever. You're fucking sharp, dude. You're a sharp fucking guy. Yeah, it's been, I appreciate you just support my podcast, and, you know, it's nice of you. And thanks for all the great music, man. That one about the mom. Oh, I wrote the book

Starting point is 01:10:07 And that one sometimes That's one of my favorite still If I'm driving home at night or something I'll listen to that one dude You know, that's a good one That one kind of puts me in a good spot, you know Yeah, I like that one too man Yeah, and what's the one about the mom

Starting point is 01:10:22 You're talking about my mom? Yeah Thought you should know Yeah, that one Yeah, that one, God damn Dude, I pull over and cry sometimes Do you really? I'm like, fuck, you can't cry and drive you little bitch

Starting point is 01:10:33 If this goes back to what you're talking about thinking and motion and all that stuff. Yeah. It is, dude. I don't like this. Too much. Morgan Wallin, man. One of the most prolific artists of,

Starting point is 01:10:47 I think, of that ever on the face of the earth, man. It's a pleasure, dude. I'd be lucky to get to know your cousin, he and I are close. And yeah, just thanks for all the entertainment on behalf of everybody. And it's just been a gift, man. Thank you, man.

Starting point is 01:11:01 I say the same to you. I appreciate everything that you do for me. Cheers, brother. Excited for the new album. Yes, sir. Now I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be Cornerstone. Reach that ground.

Starting point is 01:11:19 I'll share this piece of mind I found I can feel it in my bones.

This Past Weekend - #573 - Morgan Wallen

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