This Past Weekend - #597 - Lewis Capaldi

Episode Date: July 15, 2025

Lewis Capaldi is a Scottish singer-songwriter known for hits like “Someone You Loved”, “Before You Go”, and his new song “Survive”. Lewis joins Theo in NYC to talk about his triumphant return to touring after taking 2 years off from music, an update on his mental health, and why so many UFOs are showing up in Scotland.  Lewis Capaldi: https://www.instagram.com/lewiscapaldi  ------------------------------------------------ Tour Dates! https://theovon.com/tour New Merch: https://www.theovonstore.com ------------------------------------------------- Sponsored By: Celsius: Go to the Celsius Amazon store to check out all of their flavors. #CELSIUSBrandPartner #CELSIUSLiveFit https://amzn.to/3HbAtPJ Moonpay: Head over to https://www.moonpay.com/THEO to sign up! Sonic: Order the Sonic x Grillo's Big Dill Meal https://www.sonicdrivein.com/menu/sonic-x-grillos-pickles/ BetterHelp: This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp - go to http://betterhelp.com/theo to get 10% off your first month. ------------------------------------------------- Music: “Shine” by Bishop Gunn Bishop Gunn - Shine ------------------------------------------------ Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: [e-mail] Hit the Hotline: [phone] Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: https://www.theovon.com/fan-upload Send mail to: This Past Weekend 1906 Glen Echo Rd PO Box #159359 Nashville, TN 37215 ------------------------------------------------ Find Theo: Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend Twitter: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoVonClips Shorts Channel: https://bit.ly/3ClUj8z ------------------------------------------------ Producer: Zach https://www.instagram.com/zachdpowers Producer: Trevyn https://www.instagram.com/trevyn.s/  Producer: Nick https://www.instagram.com/realnickdavis/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I'm grateful for today's guest. He's a class lad, Mr. Lewis Capaldi. ["Shine On Me"] Mr. Lewis Capaldi. I feel like I'm in the thing. I feel like I've stepped through the screen. I mean, here we are. Oh, here we are, like. Fucking locked in. Class.

Class. Class, lads. Yeah, it's hard to understand. I feel like it's hard to understand the Scottish sometimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd say it's the hardest. Because we've not got the international identity

that Irish people have. Right. I mean, so everyone kind of knows the Irish accent. But I feel like Scotland is like Ireland's sort of like ugly little sister. Oh, no one really like, you know, I mean, people, we don't have that sort of like international thing. Yeah. Ireland has that thing like the, you know, they have like the leprechaun or whatever. You guys have a version of the leprechaun. I guess like William Wallace is like the only oh, he's a powerful leprechaun then. Yeah. Big man. Yeah.

Big man thing. Yeah. I wonder who the Irish version a powerful leprechaun then. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly, yeah. Big man. Big man thing. Yeah, I wonder who the Irish version of the leprechaun... Just like a regular guy that needs help, probably. It's just like a guy that just like, can't get his grandmother on the phone or something. Dude, good to see you today, man. Good to see you too, man. Thank you for having us.

Thank you for all the beautiful music, man. Thank you. No, I'm, yeah, that's what I do. I appreciate it. Thanks for all the laughs. Okay. We're even. It's cool how something can cross like to a total different culture. I mean, that's kind of fascinating, you know, that I could go to Scotland and have people come see a show and that you could come here and have people see a show.

Yeah, man. It's wild. Especially because I don fascinating, you know, that I could go to Scotland and have people come see a show and that you could come here and have people see a show. Yeah man, it's wild. Especially because I don't think you ever, well I don't know about you, but like I never get into this thinking about, like I never assumed that I would be in America doing things like this or like people would come see shows or anything like that. So yeah, it's mad. It's just like, it always feels like a bit of a blessing coming over here and doing this. In a dream, sometimes it feels like, I think. Or does it ever feel to you like you're living in a dream kind of in a way? Yeah, for sure. I think especially like I took two years off there and like I was sort of living this sort of mundane day to day life. But it was just so it was weird now being back in it all. Sort of the last few weeks has been a bit of a mad... Yeah, it feels out of body and a bit strange, but I'm loving it. It's great. It's the best.

And you did... Did you do Good Morning America? I did just this morning. No! I've been up since four. Oh, it's early. It is early, but kind of jet lagged, so I kind of played into my hand. It evens out maybe? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's early. It is early, but kind of jet lagged. So I kind of played into my hand. It evens out maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They should call it goodbye America. I feel like we're fucking... What's going on? Oh, yeah. Oh, we're about to get on a boat and come back. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Where's the port?

Oh, there I am. Oh, that was you today. That's literally me earlier on wearing, yeah, wearing a nice green jacket. Oh, that's beautiful. And who's the ginger there on the... On the... That's my piano player, Aidan.

Oh, sorry, Aidan. Aidan. He's very ginger. Okay, good. We've classified him then. Yeah. No, but he's a good man. It's like the scarlet letter of haircuts.

I feel like being a ginger, you know? Exactly. He's maybe the most redheaded guy I've ever met. Wow. And is he a Scotsman? He is a Scotsman. They're all Scots. Oh, my drummer is a very posh English man ever met. Wow. And is he a Scotsman? He is a Scotsman. They're all Scots. Well, my drummer is a very posh English man named Freddie.

Yeah, I know, I know. But it's quite, it was a weird thing. We looked for a drummer for a long time and he was like, we kind of went through a lot. It was like speed dating, went through a lot of different drummers and it was like this really posh English guy that fit in with these sort of normal Scottish men. So it's been lovely. Oh, there he is. That's Freddie. Oh, there he is. This is well good how quick you guys are on the...

And he's doing well. Look at him. Yeah, he's doing very well. Just had a little child, a little baby. Oh God. Well, about a year ago now. So she's, yeah, she's nice. I mean, she's fine. I mean, I don't know. As babies go. I don't know her. Yeah, yeah, as babies go. She doesn't say much. Yeah. She emails late at night though. Yeah. She gets on that laptop and occasionally rattle off. She'll fire off a few emails. Yeah. Yeah.

Strongly. Um, what do you do? I've been to Scotland before we did Glasgow under the show over there. Yes. How, how did you find it? Oh, it was quite... It reminded me a bit of like a lot of people, like day labor, like kind of like contractor type of people. Yeah, proper working class. Working class. Blue collar. Yeah, just down and dirty.

Or like a dark blue. Navy, Navy almost. Yeah, definitely. I mean guys, some of them, they would, you know, one of them would talk and one of them would whistle just like unique, you know, like one guy you had to tickle them to get the truth out of them. You know, just a lot of like special, just unique folks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a great place. I love Glasgow. I don't like, I kind of split my time now between Glasgow and London, but yeah, I always miss it when I go. Yeah. It's just a different sort of, yeah, different type of person that you get maybe

than in the London's. Oh yeah, dude. They're a bit more refined there. They're a bit more like, kind of like you see like those nutcrackers at Christmas and they're all like polished and like, you know, they have like a nice head and like a little thing. Yeah, yeah, like you know, they have like a nice head and like a little thing. Yeah, yeah, like you're a cat Williams. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're a bit more cat Williams over there in London. And then you get to Scotland and it's just some guy fucking licking a pitchfork, you know?

Yeah, exactly. Hoping for the best. I love that. Yeah, I love that shit, man. It's fucking, it's pretty special. But yeah, it's a great place. Glasgow been there. But you're in, you're in Nashville now. Yeah, I live in Nashville now. I been there, but you're in Nashville now.

Yeah, I live in Nashville now. Yeah, I love Nashville. We're going there on Wednesday. This Wednesday? I think so, yeah. Oh Christ. Yeah. I'll be gone.

Yeah, I'm not just dead. But we're here. We're here now. We're here now enjoying this in the Chelsea Hotel. Yeah, the Chelsea Hotel, a famous place. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so many interesting people. We interviewed actually in this room, Craig from Craigslist,

the guy that started Craigslist. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And? How's he? Oh, he is, he's got a, he just. Got a lot going on. A lot. I mean, think of all the things that are passing through.

You got a used car. You have somebody, you know, selling homemade Narcan. You got a lot of shit passing through. You know, you got a lot of shit in your inbox. Yeah, yeah, of course. Has he sold it or does he still own it? He has a partial ownership. I believe this is correct.

He has a partial ownership, but he's not active with it anymore. Sure, right, okay. And now he's just like a philanthropist, but he was a very unique man. Craig Newmark was his name. Craig Newmark, yeah. Shout out Craig Newmark.

Yeah, shout out Craig. Yeah, yeah. Well, we wouldn't say Craig, we'd say Craig. Oh, Craig. Craig's List, that'd be called. Oh, Craig's List. Oh, that sounds even more risque. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Misconnections.

It sounds like, yeah, you might meet a dentist in the dark on there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Craig. Craig. Craig. Yeah. And what does Craig mean? Does it mean something in...?

I don't know. I just, what's the name? I think. I don't know if it's like, I don't know if it's a, if it has any true meaning in it, maybe warrior. Craig. Oh, Paul Craig, there you are.

Yeah. He once called me a loser on his podcast. God damn Paul. Really? He said, I actually quite like Paul Craig, but he said I should lose weight and that I was a loser. God damn. Well, damn dude. If he lost weight, he'd be a loser. Yeah, exactly.

The biggest loser. Yeah. Don't give him the title before you. But I saw the clip. But Paul, congratulations on everything. Sorry about what happened at the last UFC. Sorry, Lewis didn't enough for you. Yeah, sorry, sorry, man.

Yeah, Paul Craig. No, but that would be Craig. Yeah, Craig. Anyway, Paul Craig. Yeah, Paul Craig. Yeah, Paul Craig. Yeah, Paul Craig. Yeah, Paul Craig. Yeah, Paul Craig. Yeah, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Paul Craig.

Oh. No, but that would be Craig. Yeah, Craig. Yeah. Anyway. Paul Craig. Yeah. Yeah, dude, the Scots, man, they're fascinating.

They're just fascinating. You'd almost, like, I wouldn't be surprised if you was in the US, you know, and you're in a zoo and they had a couple in there somewhere. Like, you know, they're taking care of it. Yeah, drinking sort of like. They're healthy in there. Yelling at you. Yeah, screaming at the fences and stuff like that.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sounds like us for sure. Or singing like a good... Do they have like a lot of good like Scottish songs and stuff? Oh, Flower of Scotland, when will we see your leg again? And fought and died for your wee battle and claim that stood against him. Proud Edward's army and sent him homeward to thank again. Come on Scotland! Yeah, yeah, let's go, let's go.

Yeah, yeah, that's us. That's a good one that we've got. We've also got, what's your name? Ali, Bali, Ali, Bali B. Sitting on your mommy's knee. That's a good one. I don't know where it goes after that. Well, that one ends in the courts, I think.

It sounds like, you know? Yeah, exactly. It sounds like a domestic dispute, you know. But yeah, I just, I think, yeah, the most fascinating kind of like Scotland, it's like the DIY England, you know. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's like, we'll fucking figure it out. Yeah, we'll be fine up there.

But although we did not go to get into independence, and we did vote to not leave the England. People think Scottish people hate English people. But it's not true. I love English people. Yeah. I love them so much. Yeah. I don't have anything against English people. Yeah. In fact, I love them.

If I saw them, I would definitely pat them on the back. Yeah. Yeah. Come and pat them back on the back, on the back side. On the, yeah. Send them on the way. him on the back. Yeah, yeah, pat him on the back. And like one of those little like love taps on the back, on the back side. On the, yeah. Send them on the way. On the low back. Yeah, just the low back. Yeah, consensually.

Yeah. Of course. Yeah, it seems like there's a lot more, you have to be very consensual over there. Yeah, yeah, I think everywhere it's good to be consensual. Good call, sorry. And that's not going to age well. But in Scotland it's just a bit bit more like whose tit is this? And it's on your mate half the time.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And a man's tits. It's always a man's tits. We're talking about men, ladies. Yeah, we're talking about man's tits. Relax. It's not always about your tits. You know, I think some of us are wearing brassieres now.

They have that Shay Gilgis Alexander just had a brassiere on the other day. One of the most famous basketball players in the United States. Is that a thing that I can look at? Pull up a gander at this. He was wearing a men's brassiere. Oh, what? Lovely stuff. Is that like, what is the...

But yeah, I mean, it's coming, I guess things are... What is the use in that? Because he doesn't look like he's packing heat. I mean, I bet, I haven't seen, this is as much of his moves as I've seen. I'm going to just, you know, based on charts I've seen online, I bet he's doing okay. Yeah, for sure. I think, yeah, I don't know. I think maybe times are changing.

I don't know. Yeah, it looks, I mean, hey, fair play to him. Yeah, fair play. Fair play. That's what I always say. Fair play to these Brazilian men. Yeah. Are you feeling okay? Yeah, I feel great. You're doing good.

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Yeah, yeah. I always thought it was alcoholic. Can you get alcoholics? I don't see something. It's a great question. Do they have that? No. They should really, they should really wade into that market.

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Yeah. Dude, in Scotland, you guys see some of the most UFOs. Do you know that? I didn't know that. No, no, no. I'm not as up to speed with my alien stuff as I should be. But is that the case? Yes, I think Scotland is one of the most...

I think Scotland has some of the most UFO sightings anywhere. Really? I think there's also like... I think that's also got something to do with people like, you know, taking more drugs in Scotland. Oh, definitely. And then some people just need a ride home. Exactly. Just jumping. Hoping anything will come get them. Yeah exactly. What's that? There was a video of a guy one of the first sightings over there. What was his name? Yeah this is a guy right here. It's Bobby Taylor. Think with a big round dome, a very dark grey color and had a big flange going all the way around.

I could see arms sticking out of this flange with what I took to be blades on the top. As I stood here, there was two balls came out, two balls, I think they'd be about three feet in diameter. That's getting... With about six. It could have just been a big gay guy running towards him. It could have just been a big gay guy in a helmet running towards him. He also sounds like he may have a few on board though. Do you know what I mean?

It's not like Robert, Bobby Taylor there, sounds like he could be under the influence slightly. So I'm not sure that that's... No, I'm glad you're here because this is... Oh, that's Livingston. That's so close to where I grew up. Really? Yeah, so close to where I grew up. I grew up like 10 minutes from there.

Oh, wow. That's very close. It's got East Wapbun in between Glasgow and Edinburgh. But that's so close to where I grew up. And have you heard of this man? I've never heard of Robert Taylor. He hasn't really made it into the... He was attacked by a UFO in the Dechmont Woods. You've heard of him?

I haven't heard of... I've heard of the Woods. I haven't heard of Robert, but then that's what they do. They try and suppress this stuff, don't they? Oh, for sure. Yeah, this guy should not be... West Lothian. That's literally where I grew up.

Really? Yeah. In the Taylor incident, AKA Livingston incident, or Dejman Woods encounter is the name given to claims of sighting an extraterrestrial spacecraft in Livingston, West Lothian. Yeah. Yeah, that's where Whitman is.

I never thought I'd hear Theo Vonsey, West Lothian. Oh, yeah, boy. That's what you're doing a lot for us. WL son. WL, Whitburn-Lupie. That's another thing. That's it? Well, Whitburn-Lupie isburn Lippey. That's another thing. Well, the Wattburn Lippey is like a young team. There's a thing in Scotland called,

there's things all over Scotland called young teams. And it's like groups of youths are like, and they sort of get together and cause mischief and like, you know, I don't know, like fighting. A bit of gangs. Yeah, yeah. I wouldn't even class it as gangs. It's not as like, it's not as...

Violent? Violent. There's fights, but like everyone, you kind of go around on your bikes and like, punch, punch, fuck at each other. I was never in one, obviously, but like punch, fuck at each other. We had like, West, Wut Bon Lupe, that's the only one I know.

Yeah. It was a song like, Wut Bon Lupe, nuts are we? Him and her and you and me, we'll show you what we can do with a baseball bat and a snooker slash the faces drop the back use the queue as a baseball bat what born loopy nuts are we we are the what born loopy let's go dude I'll join right now get somebody that frickin Glasgow smile wow according to Taylor a forestry worker for the Livingston Development Corporation on November 9, 1979, he parked his pickup truck at the side of a road near the motorway

and walked along a forest path. He claims he experienced a foul odor like burning brakes. I mean, it sounds pretty similar. The spheres like similar to sea mines had seized him and were dragging him in the direction of a larger object when he lost consciousness. Ooh. But they always lose consciousness right before they see them. It is true. Do you know what I mean? So what is happening?

Yeah, it sounds like he blacked out. I mean, yeah, I mean, he definitely, you said out of the gate, it looked like he'd maybe had one or two. Yeah, yeah, yeah, one or two on board. And also the thing about a lot of UFOs, dude, you never, we never even, we never even find a gas cap on the ground or anything like these motherfuckers are flying everywhere. We never find a rear view mirror from one of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

You're telling me they're that well assembled, that not one of them every... Has had the fault. Yes. A spare tire or something, even just one of those jacks they used to fix the side of it. I'm not like a huge believer in UFOs or aliens, but I'm curious. I'm curious. Yeah. I'm always interested to see.

You're alien curious, they call you. I'm alien curious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Me too. I would just be, ugh, I hope if they get me, they're women that get me. But yeah, the Falkirk, what was that? The Falkirk Triangle? Falkirk Triangle. Falkirk is also not far from where I live.

This is all, they obviously would be happening in my sort of, my little concentrated area of London. Scotland, sorry. Yeah, the Falkirk Triangle. It sounds like three kind of thick old ladies splitting a bit of haggis, doesn't it? Yeah, it does. Yeah. Yeah. The Falkirk Triangle is a region in central Scotland renowned as one of the world's most active UFO hotspots. You didn't know that?

I didn't know that, no. It's not, people haven't like, that's not become. What the shit? Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's not become a real, it's not as famous as. But how many do you need before people tap each other on the shoulder, you think? Yeah, things are going on here. This isn't like, this isn't normal.

You think as well you'd be able to catch them. Like you'd be able, 300 are happening a year in the area. You'd be able to wait out and be like, okay, they're coming at some point. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, you think there's some guy with some Scottish Cabo in the last. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's mad though. I never knew that. What is it? I wonder if, what leads to those UFOs? I wonder if there's something in Scotland that leads to it. Is it the diet? Is it the... There was a thing called the Glasgow effect a couple of years ago.

Well, still I think it was like the life expectancy in Glasgow at one stage was like 55 years old or whatever. Wow. And I remember this girl did like this thing where she was looking, it was like an art project, where she was looking for funding so she could live like a Glaswegian for a year and see how it affected her health. So she could love a Glaswegian? No, live, live like a Glaswegian. Live.

The diet, the sort of surroundings. People were really up in arms about it because it was very like sort of poverty safari sort of. Right, like almost like a supersized me, but for Scotland. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was very like, it was thingy, but yeah, excess more. The Glasgow effect refers to the observation, residents of Glasgow experience lower life expectancy and poorer health outcomes than people living in similarly deprived cities in the United Kingdom.

There you go. But I don't, I think it's better now. I think it is much better now. I think the people are just so great. God wants them back quicker. That's great. That's a good way of looking at it. That's what I feel like. The rest of you guys can mill around on the earth. Yeah, just keep it going down there. Yeah. Dude, the last 30 years are downhill anyway. We'll fucking show up in heaven in style. I like that. That's class, dude. How old are you? I'm 45, man. Yeah, I'm going to die soon, dude.

Let me get a look at myself. I think you're a very, very sprightly 45. You know, I don't feel, I swear to God, I don't, I don't, if this is what 45 feels like, I can't even believe it. Cause I don't feel 45. I don't even, I don't think I think like I'm 45. So I think something's wrong with me. And I'm not even joking, I really do.

I thought I would just have more like adult feelings or be a young grandfather at this point, but none of that's happening. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. I definitely get the older I get, the more I'm like aging kind of scales me slightly. Not even age and getting older, but like the loss of like youth. Even though like things have gone, I've like done, been really lucky and like had like a really like dreams have come true and stuff.

I still like find myself pining and longing for like when I was younger. And even like, I don't know why it's like a big thing for me. It's like I'm running out of time sort of thing. But I think that everyone gets that. I don't know. I don't know if some people get it so severely because I think about that all the time. Like youth, like I'm like almost obsessed with what it was like to be young, you know?

And almost, I think a lot of times I don't want to grow up. Yeah, yeah, of course. At any, I don't ever want to do it. Yeah. You know? Totally. Like, but yeah, I think, I guess, I think one thing about youth is that everything was like,

so adventurous maybe, or I don't know. Why do you think that is? What do you, do you think there's like, I don't know. I don't know if it's like, Any themes about youth that make you feel that way? I guess there's people, like there's people around you that aren't here anymore, I guess. That it's a point in your life where everyone is

everyone's there I mean I guess my grandmother died when I was three so that I was very quick to I think that may be a big thing with my worry of like my what's the word obsession with like know, youth and aging and all the rest of it. Detachment and all that. Yeah, because I learned from like a young age that people, it's finite and people die and stuff. And I think, yeah, I think maybe that might be something that I attached to it or like there's less, there's less. Was she a cool lady, your gran?

Yeah, she was cool. What's her name? I don't know. My mom's going to kill me. No, she won't. Your grandmother's dead. They need you. Fuck, what was my gran's name? That's called a nana.

That's fair. And if she, first of all- Can I text my mom and ask her what her name was? Please. Any grandmother going by her natural born name first of all is a tramp. Every grandmother should be Nana from now on. I want to text my brother because I feel like my mom would be like, what the fuck are you doing?

It might be a bit much for her. Yeah. What was mom's mom's name? Two more sips of Celsius, you'll remember it. I bet if you have a sip ofips of Celsius, you'll remember it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I bet if you have a sip of Celsius right now, you might remember it. Can't fucking remember a name.

That's mental. But yeah, you've been through a lot, dude. We've seen what's going on. Yeah, yeah. That's an example. That's fucking mental. Is it, though? I'll keep it.

I'll tell you this. I don't know my father's mother's name. Oh, well, there you go. But your father was much older. Yeah. His older man. My grandmother was born in 1884. Wow. But I should still probably know it at first. Yeah. But I guess you never met her. No, I never met her. But she's born in 1884. That's not some drawing. We had drawings of her and stuff at our house. But I, uh, yeah, I never met her. Yeah. But we had four pretty good drawings.

One, actually. One my uncle did, and it was fucking shite, dude. Yeah, it was shite. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, it was horrible. With markers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah.

It's a no photos, just drawings. Yeah. Of her. And from memory, maybe. Yeah, somebody, yeah. So who knows? It could have been anyone, really. It could have been.

It could have been an old lady. So you don't, what was it? Yeah, it could have been just some. It could have been an old lady. Yeah. So you're doing a... It could have been just some friend of Paddington Bears. I have no clue what it was. It could have been anyone. It's the person of the queen. Do you know what I mean? Oh, yeah.

It could have been the queen. I have no idea. Yeah, exactly. I'm like, damn, grandma had a scepter. That's pretty crazy. I'm back in with crypto. I'm back in. I'll be honest.

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Yeah, yeah. But Nana, that's what everybody calls him. Nana, Nana. Nana. It's like, is that a Scottish thing or like, no, I think some Americans say Nana. Yeah, I'm trying to think what we say here. A lot of people say like Grammy, Mimi.

Mee-maw. Mee- Grammy, Mimi, Mee-Ma too. Yeah. What would you, what would you? Grandmother, evil grandmother, I would say also at times or a distant grandmother, cold grandmother, older lady with the key is also a term that I would throw around sometimes. No, uh, my grandma, yeah, she was, my grandmother was good at like, she would make us nice treats.

Yeah. And that was one thing I do that thought that she was good at. Fun memories, treats. She liked to feed you, you know? Yeah, listen, I've got a lot of people like that in my life. Yeah? Yeah, I'm a big, I'm a big proponent of being fed. Oh.

I like to be fed. Yeah, look. Yeah. Sounds weirder than I wanted to sound, but'm a big proponent of being fed. I like to be fed. Yeah, look. Yeah. Sounds weirder than I wanted to sound, but I just meant I like, I like to eat. Well, of course you should eat while you're here. I mean, according to the Scottish mortality rate, you're fucking... Yeah, there's only so much time left. Exactly.

I think I'm 55. No wonder you feel so much about your youth, you know? No wonder you do. I think my brother's texting back. All right. Let me see. This is awesome. What? Mum's mum's name was Melissa.

It wasn't Melissa. No old, no grandmother's ever been called Melissa. Not that I know of. No. Unless it's like kind of like a, um, Melissa. Maggie? I guess we'll get to the bottom of this by the end of the podcast. This is our UFO.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is meant, I'll just keep it, sorry. No, I think it's great, man. Yeah, dude. Who's on your Scottish Mount Rushmore if you had to kind of piece one together? Billy Connolly would be up there for sure. Okay, Billy Connolly? Yeah, Billy Connolly.

Maybe I like... There's a Scottish singer I love called Paolo Notini. What is his name? Paolo Notini. He's Scottish Italian, much like myself. Well, not quite like myself because he looks Italian and I look like this. Yeah, see, he's got that sort of like Italian-y. Wow, I didn't know that.

So that's a Scotsman? That's a Scotsman, yeah. Oh. Yeah. But he's out there for me as a musician. I grew up listening to him. And have you guys ever gotten to tour or collaborate together? I've had a few beers with him.

I went to the BCM and had a few beers with him. That was like a really nice sort of full soccer moment. He's very elusive, apparently. He'll like disappear for years and then come back and sing. But he's incredible, incredible talent. But he'll be up, he'd be up there for me. I'm trying to think of actors. Oh, Sean Connery maybe. Sean Connery would be up there.

I mean, he's a very historical figure. Yeah, Sean Connery probably would be up there, yeah. Actor-wise. What about Shane McGowan? Was he Scottish? Shane McGowan's Irish. He is? Yeah. He might have been high enough he thought he was Scottish. Oh, I, actor-wise. What about Shane McGowan? Was he Scottish? Shane McGowan's Irish. He is? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He might have been high enough he thought he was Scottish though. Oh, no, I think he was born in England, Shane McGowan. I don't know, but I think... Sean Connery, he was very much the epitome of class, I think, for a bit. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, he is. Robert Louis Stevenson, that, uh... Oh, yeah, or like Alexander Graham Bell. Is he Scottish?

Yeah, I think he's got Scott Scottish people invented telephone and Television John Logie beard. Is that the guy who invented the television? Um Well Robert Lewis Steven they invented the telephone who invented the telephone really? Oh My gosh, dude, thank you. Don't worry. I got it. Honestly. Thank you more than welcome That's quite a recent looks like quite recent. What's going on there? It must be AI or something.

Nah, they said, what do you mean? Do you think that's AI? I don't know. It's just been colored. It's just been them. Dude, he you guys invented the damn telephone. Who did he call first? I don't know.

There's no one else on the other end of the line, I guess. That's the problem. That's a great point. Oh, Christ. That must have been the worst part. Imagine the day they're like debuting it and nobody else even has one. Yeah, exactly. Rubbish.

It's much better than the guy who got the first call. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, I'm not sure. I line, I guess. That's the problem. That's a great point. Oh Christ, that must have been the worst part. Imagine the day they're like debuting it and nobody else even has one. Yeah, exactly, rubbish. It must be the guy who got the first iPhone. Oh, he's like, oh, my wife didn't pick up. I'm going to stay for another party. Yeah, that's mad.

Alexander Graham Bell's first telephone call was to his assistant, Thomas A. Watson. Bell uttered the famous words, Mr. Watson, come here. I want to see you. Wow. It's quite sexual. Definitely.

Well, look, Disco, a lot of men invented things. I think a lot of men who allegedly had maybe some zesty tendencies invented things because they needed to meet other men. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they didn't want to say out in public, hey. Yeah, exactly. You needed to, you wanted to be like discreet. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. So pick up this little whisper mobile, that little phone. Come Heather. Come Heather machine. Yeah, the come Heather machine. Wow, that's wild, dude. That's lovely. That's amazing, dude.

I didn't know that. And that was March 10th, 1876. He didn't even lost him. Not long before your grandmother was born. That's true. Yeah. Oh, it's all coming around now, isn't it? RIP, Melissa.

Melissa, oh, he's texting me. Sorry, I'm really, it's really rude that I'm pulling my phone out as much as I am. No, what do you mean? We have to know. Oh, mum's mum, Margaret. Oh, Margaret. Yeah, Margaret.

I knew it was Margaret. I would have said that, Maggie. Margaret. Yeah, there you go. Margaret. I knew it was Margaret. I would have said that Maggie. Margaret. Yeah. There you go. Margaret. I knew it was something like that. Wake up Maggie. I think I got something to say to you. Oh, I do a lot of singing on this podcast so far. It's great though. Yeah. I'm really, really taking it in. He's also a fan of Glasgow Celtic. Is he really? Yeah. Rod Stewart? Oh, Rod Stewart. Yeah. Yeah. He passed away. No, he's alive and well. Oh, good. He said he passed. He's doing good. No, I think so. I think he just played, I think he just played Glastonbury like last week or something. I was going to be, I was going to be disappointed for a bit. Thank God he's alive. Yes. Yeah. I agree.

If you're watching Rod. Yeah. Um, You mentioned Glastonbury a few minutes ago. You just returned, huh? I just got back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just came back on stage, bit of a comeback moment, I think. Yeah, it was lovely. It was like a really special, special moment. Two years ago, I basically had like this,

I don't know what I call it, like a mental breakdown, but it was like a breakdown of sorts on stage that had been a long time coming, to be honest, on stage at that Glass and Brain 2023. And then I took two years off to sort of like recalibrate and sort of, you know, did a lot of therapy, got myself in a much better head space and dealt with, I had been told I had Tourette's and stuff,

and that was really causing me a lot of stress and I didn't know how to deal with it. And now, yeah, after these two years off, I really wanted to come back and, you know, do Glastonbury and sort of like, as a mental sort of win, sort of finish the thing that I couldn't finish before. And it was amazing, yeah, like really, really,

maybe like the best day of my life, to be honest. It was a really, really special moment. And I'm just, yeah, I'm really glad that we got to do that. And it was just, yeah, blew my mind about, yeah, mad, mad, mad, mad. Yeah, I mean, I've seen the videos. It looks, you can feel the energy in both of the performances I've seen on YouTube. You can feel the energy in both of them.

Was part of you like glad like You know, there's this weird like because you're very Transparent I feel like with your audience I feel like as much as you can be and I think as a human right you try to put yourself out there Yeah, as as well as you know yourself. Yeah, and that's how you try to present yourself Yeah, and of course, we're always like getting to know ourselves more, right? And so that will change over time. Were you glad almost in a weird way that some of that kind of like,

I don't want to call it a breakdown, but some of like that like, that real of a moment in your life, was there a little bit of you that was glad or were you scared that it happened in such a public way? Does that make any sense? No, no, it makes complete sense and I was I was so happy like when I came off stage like When it happened and when it was happening, I was it was like the lowest moment of my life and it was horrible but like I made this I Had this moment when I was on stage like two in, I was like, this is the last time

I'm going to play a gig for a long time. I was like, I need to try and get through the rest of the show, but when I come off, I'm done. So when I got off stage, it was obviously, again, horrible at the moment on stage and, you know, experiencing it all, whatever, but, excuse me, when I got off stage, everyone else around me was a bit like, oh, this is the worst thing ever. And I had this weird sort of,

a weight had been lifted of like, oh, now this thing's happened and I have to get help. Sort of thing. It wasn't, I had been putting it off because funnily enough, a few weeks prior to that show in, last time we were playing in Chicago, and I had a very similar episode it was probably even worse the one in Chicago I couldn't come back on stage and finish the song I was like backstage convulsing and having like this crazy panic attack mental like episode it was really really bad way worse than what happened to Glastonbury because Glastonbury is such a like you say like a big stage

and a big moment, it was the first time people outside of maybe my shows or whatever had seen it. So yeah, at Glastonbury, when I came off stage, it was weird, I had this, oh, everything's all right now, and I can actually go and get help and fix myself for the next two years. And it was, yeah, in a weird way,

it's probably the best thing that ever happened to me that moment at Glastonbury and Twitter, because it was just, I wouldn't have stopped otherwise. If I could like think I'm really bad for, I'll say I am really bad, I was really bad for not saying no to things. Yeah. Like feeling like, oh, this is going to pass me by

if I don't say yes to this. All this amazing stuff's coming at me now. And I have to like catch it all and sort of get it all done and do this. Otherwise these moments are going to pass me by and I'm, you know, it's never going to happen again. So I said yes to way too much and I took way too much on. Everyone around me was like, was asking me, are you sure this is okay? Sure, I was like, yeah, I'm fine, I too much and I took way too much on and everyone around me was like

Was asking me. Are you sure this is okay? Sure. I'm saying I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm fine Um, but yes, we've got the glass number at 2023 was for sure the biggest like Was yeah really important and like my yeah, maybe the most important day of my life to be honest because it was such a and Yeah, I wouldn't have stopped otherwise. Do you know what I mean? It was almost like... Like a blessing kind of... Yeah, it's like someone upstairs was like, this has to happen now, otherwise... I don't want to think about where I would be now if I hadn't...

Yeah. If I'd continue to do it. Because we were meant to go to Australia and stuff like that and... You could have fallen apart, man. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It could have been really, really... Yeah, horrible. I dread to think what would have happened otherwise to me. So yeah, a bit of a blessing in disguise, I think, for sure.

And you know what I thought about? I felt like it was just like, I think we're at a time where people just want to see something that's real. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. They want to see somebody that's not hiding all their tough times, you know, that's trying to at least be earnest, as earnest as you can, you know. So yeah, I just thought it was, yeah, I don't know. I think seeing something that's real, and especially if it's somebody like you that

is, you know, you're an emotional guy, you have a lot of feelings and it's, and you have a lot of feelings that we all have that we can't put into words. And so, you know, we like look to you to be like this, like, you know, almost somebody that's like speaking for us. Not that you're doing that through ego or anything, but just that you're like a conduit for some of the feelings that we can't explain. Yeah, maybe, I think so. But then I look to like other people like that.

Oh, for sure, I think we all do. But just the fact that then you are able to like, just that you're so present and real, it feels like with people and with your fans or people that support you, that for you to have a real moment, it just, I don't know, I guess, I don't know exactly what I'm trying to say.

I guess, shit, I'm an idiot. No, no, no. I know what you mean. It's like people are sort of craving a bit of like authenticity, I think. Well, and also if you hadn't had it in such a real way, would you... Nope. Well, that's the thing. I think for a long time I was like... God. I'm sorry.

No, you're grand. You're grand. I think for a long time I was like surface level talking about my mental health. I think for a long time prior to that moment in Twitter 3, I was like, yeah, I get, I have panic attacks or I get anxious, but I wasn't like really, I feel, and I still, I'm bad for this now. Like I give people enough that sometimes they think they're getting the whole story and actually I'm holding quite a lot back sometimes. And I think I was doing that quite heavily at the time. So when that

happened to Glastonbury, it was this real thing of like the sort of things, the masks were pulled off and it's like, yeah, you're just there in front of everybody. So, yeah, as I say, it was like this, I didn't have, I had no choice but to confront things. And I think, yeah, I was really taken aback by the sort of outpouring of love and support that people had shared. It was really like an emotional time, like coming back and seeing like so many people reaching out and being, you know, kind and sort of sharing their stories with me and all this stuff. It was really special.

But yeah, I know you mean like, I feel like everybody's looking for something that's a bit real or tangible to sort of hold on to, I think. Something that's human, yeah. Yeah, yeah, 100%. Did you feel any embarrassment when you came back? And not that you should or anything, I just think that feelings are interesting, right?

So sometimes you'll feel embarrassed about things, even if you should. You know, it's all interesting. Like we show up to everything with different feelings and trying to, you're always trying to juggle all these feelings and all these moments, you know? Was there any embarrassment? Yeah. Yeah. I feel, I feel embarrassment all the time. Honestly, like, I don't know if, I don't know if you agree with this, right? But like, see being like famous, I find it's the most embarrassing thing all the time. Honestly, I don't know if you agree with this, but see, being famous,

I find it's the most embarrassing thing of all time. Well known, I walk into every room and I'm like, you're either not famous enough or too famous to be in a room. I know it sounds like very first world problems, let me land here, but that's the thing of like, I either walk into a room and it's like, again, I'm totally projecting and no one's probably even looking at me like this, but like, I sometimes feel like either it's like everyone thinks that I think that I'm awesome

and I'm walking in a room and I'm like, look at me, I'm this famous guy and blah, blah, blah. Or people walk into the room and go, oh, who does he think he is doing this or that? I just feel fame in general and being well known is the most embarrassing thing to me. I just get like, I just feel so like cringed up all the time with like, when it comes to like that sort of side of things. Yeah, it's the brightest, ugliest suit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

You're walking into a room and like, I don. Yeah, it's the brightest, ugliest suit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. You're walking in a room and like, I don't know, it's mental. And then I sort of had this thing where I walk in a room and I assume that, oh, everyone in this room is probably doesn't like me because they've seen something online that I said once or they think I try too hard to be silly or funny or they think I try my music shit or they think I think I'm better than I am. I just... Oh yeah. Trying to manage people's better than I am. I just, yeah. Trying to manage people's expectations or thoughts.

Yeah. And then your whole life becomes, and I know some people are like, listen to these guys who have everything complaining, right? And I understand that, but we're going to keep doing it for another minute, right? Just to explore what it's like, because also being popular, it's almost just like, life's like an experiment.

And you have different moments. Sometimes it's great,, it's almost just like, life's like an experiment and you have different moments. Sometimes it's great, sometimes it's horrible, but it's all just like, I look at it as like, okay, this is what's going on now and what is this like? You know? And yes, sometimes then you start thinking, okay, I have to spend so much time making sure that everybody thinks that I'm okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, that I'm cool, that I'm okay enough to them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So then that can be like a trap. It can all be just kind of like, I don't know, it can get a little bit interesting. That's another thing as well. Like that's, like even like having that thought of like, fuck, as this, yeah, as this complaining too much or whatever, but like. Oh, I'll text these guys in the middle of the night.

Does this seem gay? Does this seem racist? Those are two of the big ones. Am I OK? These motherfuckers are trying to sleep in their homes. And their coworkers text me at midnight, am I OK? We don't fucking know. Look fucking, look at your ring camera, you idiot.

I don't know. But it's true. It's like this thing of like, even the thoughts of, even the thoughts of, even like the thing I just said, I'm already like overthinking that thing I said about, you're either too famous or not famous enough in a room, because I'm like, I'm embarrassed that I even, like even talking about being famous is embarrassing, or even like referring to yourself as being famous is embarrassing.

Do you know what I mean? And again, you're only famous to people who know you really, you're not famous to everybody, like thingy. So it's like, and then, I don't know, it's such like a mental, you do so many mental gymnastics, I think. For sure. Oh, no.

Look, man, it's interesting to talk about. And you know what I think? It's interesting to imagine that you're important, right? That's an interesting thing. It's like that you're,, I've noticed this sometimes, like if other people think I'm important, then it gives me, I don't have to think I'm important. It's almost like I'm using the fact

that they think I'm important in some way. It's like, oh, then I can just get my importance through that instead of creating my own importance for myself. Does that make any sense, or is that crazy? some way it's like, oh, then I can just get my importance through that instead of creating my own importance for myself. Does that make any sense or is that crazy? No, 100%. It's like you're getting, but then it's that sort of, again, I guess it goes back to the external validation, 100% which is like, I was thinking of this on the way over as well, how, how attack like, cause I'm coming back into this, like,

Yeah, you have a new tour coming out, you're coming back into. Yeah, stepping into like spotlight again, or like this sort of world again. And I'm really trying not to get that validation externally, but it's quite different. Like, I'm just, I already feel it, like in little bits of things that I've only been back for like a week and a half here and I'm already like, you know, looking through comments

and getting excited when I see like a nice comment and then like really down when I see an awful one and I'm trying to stop myself and be like, no, this is like, this is the stuff that got you sort of where you were last time. It's important to not sort of feed into it and it's just them. It's just really yeah It's like such an interesting thing and I don't think it's exclusive to being well known or being a lot of it's human, too Yeah, yeah a lot of it's just human stuff, you know

And I think this you're almost like I think with popularity and stuff you almost become like a lab mouse you almost become like just this heightened level of a lot of things. And so it's interesting to talk about. Well, dude, as a fan of yours and as somebody you've helped me feel no homo, dude, have feelings and shit over the years type shit. But dude, yeah, I don't think you could ever. I think you'd have to try very hard

To To have a Realistic person think that you're a bad person Thank you. And likewise like I think that's like I think it's that's why I think I'm such a fan of yours as well Like I just feel I like talking about being real and stuff I like I've seen clips of yours where you're like Again showing emotion and stuff,

and it really resonates with me in a big way. So I feel like it's, yeah, it's just nice to like, yeah. Check your phone or your grandmother texts you. Sorry, it's getting fucking kind of crazy. No, I appreciate it, man. We're trying our best, you know? And sometimes it's a battle, and yeah, I didn't mean to interrupt you there,

I was kind of mean, I mean, dude. Wasn't mean at all, honestly, I was rambling. interrupt you that was kind of mean I mean dude What's it mean to tell? Do you worry? But thanks for the nice words, dude Yeah, it all becomes and then you start to become like well this how people think you are You're trying is that how you really are and then you're like am I holding up just an image of myself? Yeah, who am I even it's all kind of interesting, right? I think but as long as you try to just stay aware

of that that's kind of what's going on, then it can all be kind of interesting. I think it's important to remind yourself who you are away from all this. I think that's what me having two years off. I'm a pervert away from it. You know what I'm saying? No offense ladies, I don't know.

And no offense Scott either. Okay? No, but I think it's important to have that sort of, yeah, that sort of awareness of when all this is gone, like, who am I or what am I? Yeah. You know, I think I'd like to think I had more to offer than, you know, singing a few songs or being silly on social media and stuff. Yeah, and more to offer myself too.

That's what I think about sometimes. 100%. At what point do I start offering, trying better to focus on offering things to my own life? I don't know. Now we might be wading into some fucking ego waters, but that's OK. Let's back out of that.

How do you keep things from being different than what kind of led to some of the mild traumas or things that happened last time that led you to the point where you were really suffering. Yeah, I think for me, I wasn't doing any therapy. I wasn't really looking after myself at all. It's not like I'm hitting the gym every fucking day or whatever, but I just think in general,

making better choices in terms of every aspect of my life. I do therapy every week now as well, which has been really beneficial for me. I think I've really, that's really been maybe the biggest thing that's switched everything around. Is your therapist a man or woman? A man, a man named Owen. Oh, very nice.

Owen what? O'Kane. Owen O'Kane. Irish. Oh, God. So you'll end up'Kane. Irish. Oh my God. So you'll end up decent if you get better. Exactly. At best.

You'll end up decent at best, dude. Oh, that's him there. Yeah, yeah. Is it okay that we say his name and stuff? I think so, yeah. I'm sure he'll be more than happy with his. Oh, that's class. Oh, he's an author as well.

Yeah, he's an author. Oh, that's amazing, man. He's been amazing. He's been amazing for me in the last, in the last little while. It's just been... Who turned you on to him? It was my management that got through to him and stuff who had heard from someone else or whatever. But I was just, when I came off stage at Glastonbury, it was like immediately the first thing I need is therapist. Did they put you in an ice bathroom? You got up? Or what did? Do they like just, or did you just fucking sit and have a pint?

And be like, that was a, that was a wild one. Like, were you able to calm down right after you came off the stage? I went, I went out and I went, I flew back to Glasgow that night and went out and had pints. That's the most Scottish shit I've ever heard, dude. I did, but yeah. The guy could be getting a heart transplant. Yeah, no, I woke up and I went straight to the pub.

And so it was just a nice, I just had to like go and do something normal rather than for sure. And be around mates and get back to that sort of place. So yeah, so yeah, I went out and kicked the arse out properly. But it was very much needed. Do you know what I mean? So yeah, and then it became, yeah, and then afterwards we did a bunch of shit with therapists and neurologists as well for like with the rest and stuff.

I'm taking medication for that and all that stuff. And just in general, we try to reduce stress as much as possible. I think it's been a massive thing. And I think that's where that's sort of what I was saying about saying no to things is becoming quite a, I'm realizing how important that can be with stuff. Cause it's just, it's one of those things of like, if it doesn't, oh, this thing, you won't get this again if you don't say yes now. I'm like, okay, cool. Or somebody will be unhappy or something like that. I've done meet and greets, I think for

probably 97% of my shows after, right? Just for free, just meet, you know? But sometimes I just can't do it anymore, and it's okay. Yeah, of course, yeah. Like I had, like, I don't know if it was like, I don't know what happened to me. Something happened to me like a couple years ago. I just felt like this loud crack even like in my head. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, all right.

And I've never been, I don't think fully the same since then. All right, okay. Yeah. Really, yeah. But I don't know what happened, you know? But I just knew that I had to shut it down and I had to start taking better care of then. Oh, right, okay. Yeah. Really? But I don't know what happened, you know? But I just knew that I had to shut it down and I had to start taking better care of myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And because at first I thought the stress was like,

oh, you're not working hard enough, you're not figuring this out well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's not the truth. The truth was I just, you know, like, there wasn't going to be anything left. I mean, you know, I just didn't have anything left. So I had to tighten it up.

Yeah, man, definitely. I think that's the thing as well but sometimes you feel like like you say I like what you said there you the stress felt like I wasn't doing enough or whatever But it's actually it's like taking your foot off the gas as opposed to putting it on. Yeah I think that's important thing Yeah And now I'll shut down like if it's a certain conversation or somebody's talking to me sometimes if somebody's speaking in a certain Pentameter or things are too fast or something. I'll just say, hey, I can't even be in this conversation.

Like I just have to like, cause you'll just start to kind of lose your mind. Yeah. No, I'm saying. So with the Tourette's, was it, was it getting cool or was it getting bad? Like what kind, what kind were you getting? Cause there's the cool kind where, you know. Yeah. No, it wasn't, it wasn't the kill kind.

I was like, I used to do this thing all the time when I would go like this. Like I'd be sitting here having this conversation with you and I'd be like this. Oh yeah, like a third base coach in baseball or something. Yeah, like doing signals. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I used to do that shit

and I used to like contort my back and stuff in ways. So I had to get like this, wanted to get this feeling in my muscles where it felt like it was pulling and like cracking. And like I was causing myself some real pain. And had to just, I just for some reason in my head I was like I need to feel this to know that I don't know it was it was almost like it was like I sorry I'm seeing like a lot and it annoys me but um I think you're doing fine all right cool yeah good good good um we can no I've noticed when people say like a lot I I've not noticed that today. All right, cool. Good, good, good. Um, the, uh, yeah, no, it was almost like when I felt I was out of body,

I would try and do this like twitch or something to sort of bring myself back in. Wow. Uh, it was really weird. It was really weird. And I looked like I was like on copious amounts of cocaine. Like, yeah, like I was tweaking. Do you know what I mean? Really, really like I was tweaking.

Oh, you were hailing a fricking air taxi with Bobby Taylor over there. Yeah. Dude, that's fascinating though. So you would get a feeling and then the, the, some of the ticks would make you feel like you're almost getting back into your skin. Yeah, well, that's what I felt like.

I can't speak for everyone else. That's fascinating though. I think they call it like a pre-monitoring urge or something, sorry. And I think I am, yeah, I was getting them for everyone else. That's fascinating though. I think they call it like a pre-monetary urge or something, sorry. And I think I am, yeah, I was getting them all the time. And when I was performing, it was like really prevalent. Because it was like, you would get it if you're excited. Any sort of extreme emotion would bring it on or like tired or anything.

So it was bizarre. It was really, really bizarre. But like, now I'm noticing even more. No, it sounds good. But pre-monetary it's called? Pre-monetary urge. Yeah, fuck, I was bizarre. It was really, really bizarre. But like, now I'm noticing even more. No, it sounds good. But premonitory, it's called? Premonitory urge. Yeah, thank fuck, I remembered that. A premonitory urge is a sensory experience like an itch

or a feeling of pressure that occurs before a tick in an individual with Tourette syndrome or other tick disorders. Premonitory urges are physical sensations. These urges can manifest as feelings of tension, pressure, an itchy sensation, or a feeling that something is building up and needs to be released. Wow.

Nice. Wow. I definitely, I had about, for 15 years I had a... I'm still doing bad. Strong pre-monitory urge. Still doing pretty bad, yeah. I'm just two days off of pre-monitory urge. But I needed it. Couldn't sleep. Um, stop. Do you know how fast you were going?

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and that's okay, that's what you are, right? You have an ability to share things through words and language is that when something like this is a part of your world, you can probably express it to people better than some people who don't have that same ability, right? Yeah, maybe. I don't know. I'm yet to like really delve into it because I'm still like figuring it out as well. I find I'm better figuring it out. I find I'm better at like sort of talking about something once I've understood it a bit more.

I'm not really good at talking about things as they're happening. Do you know what I mean? Yes, 100%. It's like, or explaining or writing about stuff as it's like happening. I feel like, oh, Jesus Christ. No, it's like things are better when you have a chance to look at them. Yeah, yeah, with the benefit of hindsight. For sure. Yeah, for sure.

So I'm... Oh, that's the craziest thing about life though. Sometimes it's like I don't get... I'm always waiting for hindsight in my life, you know? And the problem is then you've gone... It's a relative term. And also you've gone on from wherever you could have had an effect on things. Yeah, for sure.

I'll always like delay trying to have like make a choice until things are in hindsight, but then it's too late Yeah, you know sometimes I do that a bit. Yeah When did you go to therapy for the first time ever was it after that? No, no, I went to therapy before I've tried therapy a bunch of times and like no, it's obviously I'm not a I don't want to sound disparaging to any other therapist I've been to there's been I've been to amazing therapists but I never really had like a connection with any of them or like, or sort of felt, uh, clicked. Yeah, for sure.

I think a lot of times people go and they think just cause they're going to what they're well, I don't want to say a lot of times people do things. A lot of times I have gone to therapists for years and I didn't know that I, I was really supposed to have like a relationship that I could be honest in Yeah, it was like finally if this was supposed to be like whether I wanted to pretend like that therapist was my mother or my Girlfriend or my brother or a friend I could pretend like they were that and say things to them that I've always wanted to say to that Other person, but I never realized that that's how it was a good way to use a therapist I always just thought a lot of times it was like, just sit and talk only about how I feel.

And it didn't matter if I was learning anything. I just thought, oh, since I'm going to a therapist. You're ticking a box there or something. Right, I'm checking a box. I didn't even realize that. Anyway, sorry to interrupt you. No, no, for sure. And I think just to your point there,

I was going to a lot of these therapists and I was just, I felt like I was just saying what they wanted to hear after a certain point. And I was just, I felt like I was just saying what they wanted to hear after a certain point. I was looking at the clock and sort of being like, right, okay, what is the thing I can say to get me out here the quickest? Or that makes them think I've, like I wanted them to think that I had a grasp

of like my mental health. Or like- Oh yeah, I want to be my own doctor sometimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they would say stuff and I would then, I just found myself, I was parrying everything that they were sort of, or when things, and this is what's great about,

my current therapist is really good at this, if we go somewhere, he can sense when I'm being avoidant or being sort of, yeah, being avoidant or being sort of, yeah, being avoidant is the word. And he sort of pulls me back in and is saying, there's a reason you're being sort of wishy-washy here or anything like that. So... Was there an initial moment when you noticed them? Like, was there like one moment that you're like, oh, wow.

What, with this therapist? Yeah. Yeah, it was actually, I canceled a wow. What, with this therapist? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was actually, I canceled a session. I canceled two sessions back to back. And he was on it, like giving me, I don't want to say grief, grief's the wrong word, but like he was saying, I don't, we don't have to do this.

He was very like forthcoming in the fact of, if you don't want to do this, this is totally fine, but it feels like you're not engaging with this in a way that's beneficial to you or like wasting his time as well. So for me, that was like a, I really respond to that sort of not letting me away with shit, do you know what I mean?

And I find that in sessions now as well. I find it really beneficial when there's, you know, someone calls, I like when people call me out on my shit. Do you know what I mean? And I find that in sessions now as well. I find it really beneficial when there's, you know, someone calls. I like when people call me out on my shit. Yeah. Because otherwise I'll just keep shitting. Keep shitting. Yeah, I'll keep on shitting. I'm always shitting.

Oh, dude, the story of my life. You just fucking literally explained the story of my life. It's like I'll fucking get a drum. I'll get some juggling balls. I'll tell a riddle. I'll fucking do whatever I, I'll get some juggling balls, I'll tell a riddle, I'll fucking do whatever I gotta do for you not to corner me in a serious moment. 100%, 100%. So yeah, that's been, I just found that to be really, I don't know, like it was very,

I don't know, I just felt it was really good for me to get that sort of response from someone to be like, I don't like what you're doing here. This isn't conducive to a healthy relationship with therapy. Wow. So yeah, that was funny. That was probably the one I was like, okay, this is, this seems to be, this might be, this might be the guy for me. Yeah.

Yeah. I think now I have Tourette's when I, like, I, every, this is when I have Tourette's when I um, like I every this is when I get Tourette's it's like If I'm sitting somewhere with my freaking girlfriend or whatever and she's like I don't think this is working out or whatever and this is why and then I just like Tourette's like I just can't be honest, you know I just get so scared to be honest. And I don't really get like threats like you're saying, but it is a form of threat. It's this... Get me out of here. Yes. It's this get me out of... Just get me out of like...

I just like... I don't know. It's so hard for me to stay in a moment with one other person. It's hard for me to stay in a moment that's not completely in my control. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Do you ever find that with like people, I always find that I'm really good in groups, but then sometimes if I'm just one on one with someone, even if someone I've known my whole life, I'll be like, what the fuck did I say to them?

Yeah, what the fuck is your name? Sitting in the car with my dad, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're standing there with your gran. What do you say again to people? Like what is the thing you're meant to, how am I meant to start a conversation with someone? Do you know what I mean? Even like my best friends.

Oh yeah. Yeah, I think I'm a good auxiliary player. Do you know what I mean? Good sideline player. But yeah, no, I empathize with that situation for sure. I think- I never thought about it till just now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But that's my Tourette's. It's like this like, and I literally can feel my fucking skin being like, why are you keeping us here? You know? Yeah, yeah, for sure. And like, yeah. I mean, I remember one time having a conversation,

like a real conversation with a girlfriend in the car, and I literally put the window down and hung my fucking arms out of the window, like I wanted to get out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, to get out like as much of me as could be out here to not be in this vehicle having this real moment of me having to commit to this relationship I'm gonna pee really fast can we take a break for just a minute please okay yeah dude thanks for sitting I just take a

take a wee oh you guys call it a wee I I just took a pee. I took a wee. A piss. That's crazy that it's one... just we're not... Because we're only six hours away from each other by ocean and we call it somehow the letter change. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's true. It's fucking bathroom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A piss or a slash. Ooh. A slash is a good one. I'm going for a slash.

Going for a slash. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you come back with blood on your clothes. Your fucking neighbor's missing. See, it's crazy how that changed as well from going to America. Yeah. Over there, you're going for a slash, you're just going to fill up a toilet. Yeah. Over here, it's something more sinister.

Yeah. Over here, you're fucking making a Dateline episode. It's just crazy how things just really fall off as you go across the ocean. No, but man, yeah, thanks for talking about some of that. Because even just helping me think, like some of those things, it's like hard to realize until you get into conversations where you're talking about some of this stuff. You know?

And then you gotta be careful because your ego will start to be like, you know what you're talking about. So that for me, Sinanze, is a trap. And I think I gotta like, just like go to more recovery meetings and stuff so I don't get just that I'm the only voice I'm hearing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

That's when it gets really scary for me. Like then I feel like I know something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the thing, that's why I'm like really enjoying this because we've been doing the interviews all day and it's very one, sort of one way. And you start, I don't know if you find this that if you're doing stuff or promo or whatever,

but like, yeah, you're just talking about yourself all the time. And I feel like it just becomes this like, I don't know, it just fucks with your head slightly. Oh, yeah, well it's a shitty song, especially after, if you're a creative person, I feel like after a while, just talking about yourself is just a song you've played. You know, and it's not even,

it's just like pieces of you that, it's almost like fool's gold, some of it, in a way. Yeah, for sure. That's one thing I noticed about you, man, is just even in asking one question to me, it's like, because it's really kind of a conversation, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Was drinking or anything like that a part of stuff that,

because if you were on the road, like drinking, diet, like not getting massages, massages is something that's helped me. Were there things that you had to adjust that were also creating more havoc for you? Yeah, for sure. I feel like I definitely drank too much initially, like with my, I basically had cut out booze

completely when we were on tour on these, like for the last, like 2022 I'd say I stopped drinking when I was on tour or whatever, or 2023 I can't really remember. But yeah, because booze, like I like having a good time. Oh yeah. I love having a good time and I really enjoy, I wouldn't be someone who sits by themselves and has like a smashes beers or whatever. I'm much more social,

I like the social aspect of boozing and going out and having a nice time and stuff. So, but yeah, definitely. I wouldn't say I was a problem drinker, but it was definitely getting in the way. There was an amazing thing that a guy, we were supporting Sam Smith on tour in 2018 and the monitor engineer was a guy called Lee.

Was it Lee? Remember Lee? And he said to me, remember this thing, Eve, is like, you can get fucked up and you can fuck up, but don't fuck up because you were fucked up. And I feel like that's really stuck with me. And there has been times when I have done that. Like I have fucked up because I was fucked up. Yeah, yeah. And I feel like for me that was, but as something that always ruminate like sort of like ruminates around in my head and I feel yeah, I definitely had to like curtail my abusing at times and

be a bit more. Responsible. Responsible, yeah. Choose my battles with it a little bit more responsible. Yeah, choose my battles with it a little bit more. Because there's always an excuse to go out and have a nice time and go have a drink or do this or that.

And I'm sort of all or nothing with it a bit. Do you know what I mean? I'm not, again, not like I'm an alkyl. I just, if I'm going out, I'm going out. Do you know what I mean? I'm not. Yeah, well I think it's also'm going out, I'm going out. Do you know what I mean? I'm not. Yeah. Well, I think it's also part of you guys' culture a lot.

Yeah. Yeah. Like the binge drinking in the UK is like a, feels like a bigger thing than. Yeah. You forgot your fucking grandmother. Yeah. No judgment. Nine, we miss you.

Margaret. We miss you, Margaret. Melissa. We miss both of you. Yeah. But look, but yeah, if you fucking drank so much through your childhood that you don't remember your grandmother, yeah, dude.

People aren't shocked if you're like, hey, I think I just need to have some checks and balances for myself, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, no, and like you say, diet and stuff like that has been important. I'm trying not to eat as much shit. I've lost, I don't know what it would be in pounds,

two stone since, what is two stone in pounds? Two stone's 40 pounds I think. Let's take a gander at it. 28 pounds. 28 pounds since the start of the year, which I'm kind of- Fast. Yeah, I feel good about that.

And I want to lose more stuff, but the problem with it when you're really fat, because I was 20 stone at the start of the year, so what is that? I'm giving my weight away here. I was 280 pounds at the start of the year. How do you understand that guy? You heard him? He uses no letters at all in his words.

Fucking two letters, 11 words. God, I would never figure you out in a crossword puzzle. I'd never... If you had a crossword puzzle. I'd never... If you had a crossword puzzle, it'd be this big. 70 words in it. I'm just joking, man. No, no. But yeah. But yeah, so I'm trying to like get on top of that and stuff and just really, yeah, sort that stuff out as well. But obviously it's a process. And do you have like, do you have like have like more of a team now supporting you? Or do you have to bring other people on?

I mean, you said you got a therapist, now you work with some. My brother's training me at the minute. Oh, that's good. The brother that I texted and stuff, he's like a qualified personal trainer now. Oh, that's great. So he's been coming down to London

and training me and stuff like that. So that's been lovely. And with diet and stuff, he's been helping, et cetera. Nice. You feel better about it? Yeah, I feel better about it. I'm not, I hate it. I hate exercising.

Yeah, it sucks. I fucking hate it. Like, I mean, people can probably tell by looking at me, but like, I'm not, I fucking hate it. Oh dude, there's this, pull up my TikTok to save ones. Um, there was this dude the other day, he had the funniest thing, uh, that I saw on there. It's a, uh, kind of like a black guy, about 30 years old, but it was pretty good. You saved TikToks. Hood, Easter bunny, sex human implanted with Noor Lake plays a scary

study about microplastics. This is a real... Oh, this is behind the scenes of my brain. You're getting inside the brain here. I didn't realize that till just now. It's a little bit alarming. I ain't going gonna lie. You never realized how long a minute is until your ass start fucking exercising. So true. It's so true. Honestly, you never realize how long a minute is when you do like a plank. Yeah. You're like, what the fuck?

Me? Yeah. It's intense. We got all the time in the world. Who is that guy? I just want to say his name. Richie Gatz. Richie Gatz. Richie Gatz. Shout I just want to say his name. Richie Gatz. Richie Gatz.

Richie Gatz. Shout out Richie Gatz. That's hilarious, dude. Did you have to get on a bunch of medication? You're right. I'm on an antipsychotic just now called Aripiprazole. I was on antidepressants. I was on sertraline, which I think is Zoloft.

Oh, yeah. I'm on there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was interesting. Really, I couldn't... It didn't really... It just made me numb. Yeah, can't feel a lot. Yeah, can't feel a lot. And really, I couldn't get like a hard on to save my life.

Oh yeah. Yeah. And when I did, it would be like this... It would be like a roller coaster that just kept going up. Oh. It never came down. Oh, God. Damn. It was like... it was an intense period of time. But I, yeah, so I came off that. But then the thing is coming off it

is like an, as really an intense experience. And no one really gave me that heads up. So I was like really like low and sort of, I wouldn't say I've ever, I'm always really careful about using the word depressed or whatever, but it's the closest I've felt to that feeling, I feel like in my life. Yeah, it's scary. It feels like a trap door inside of you opened up like right in the middle of you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, fuck it, spot on. It was so, yeah, so, so intense. So yeah, I was on that for a bit. I don't think I maybe needed to be on that, especially for as long as I was and for the dose I was on that for a bit. I don't think I maybe needed to be on that, especially for as long as I was and for the dose I was on or whatever. But yeah, I'm only on this,

a Piper's oil, anti-psychotic, it's like five milligrams. It was really scary when they were like, when they offered it up. Yeah, because it sounds scary. Anti-psychotic, I'm like, I'm not, I'm not psychotic. Hopefully he's doing better than I. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, but I'm on it now and five milligrams I'm not psychotic. I hope he was doing better than I. Yeah, yeah. 100%. Yeah.

But I, yeah. But I'm on it now. And five milligrams before I go to bed and it's- And it's helped? Changed my life genuinely. Really? Yeah, yeah. It's genuinely been a massive, massive help.

It just did everything. Like my mood, my anxiety levels are so low these days. I'm just, the stress that I used to feel, I don't feel the stress. I mean, I don't know if it's all related to this or other choices. I guess it's an amalgamation of things. Right um, that's amazing though. What's that called? Arrapaprazole? Shit, maybe I'll try it. Yeah, get on that shit. Oh

Yeah, I'll buy a bag of that What are the uses can we go to the uses the treatment range of metal? Arrapaprazole is used to treat a range of mental health conditions. Schizophrenia, bipolar 1, major depressive disorder, ear ability associated with autism spectrum disorder and Tourette's. There you go. Made it in the very end. Yeah, just snuck in there. Snuck in there at the end. As the door was closing, slid on my knees. Maybe I would try that, man.

Yeah, it's good to know. Oh, what do you think about your songs being used for like on the voice and stuff like that? I'm all for it, man. In these foreign countries, though. Eh. Yeah. Ha ha ha. I'm sorry.

I'm wondering this time I feel there's no one to save me. It's like Fast and the Lips with a Mail, do they? This all or nothing really got a way of saying you're the only That is beautiful. That is a really lovely thing. It is cool. Yeah, you're right. Can you write this?

I wrote a song. Yeah, yeah, I wrote this one. Yeah, yeah. Oh, and he got a tongue running. Come on there. Well, hope so. It's a damn kid. Yeah, yeah.

At least turn around and tell him. Yeah. Give him some Uber money. These are rich people. Yeah, yeah. No, this is God, at least turn around and tell him, I'll be giving him some Uber money. These are rich people. No, this is incredible. I think this is beautiful. Do you know what I mean? This is like a really nice, um,

Yusuf and stuff. And he's great. He's incredible. Wow, dude. Imagine how brave you have to be to be that age and be able to continue to stand there and sing. Go on. Pretty good.

That's good. God, I think you should sell the song to him. Yeah, exactly. You know, I love all this. I think it's cool, man. Yeah, this is cool, man. I hadn't seen this. Yeah. Something just channeling.

Yeah, it gets a little bit too good though. Do you know what I mean? It does. Just relax. Just calm down a little bit. Yeah, like somebody throw him a frickin rugby ball. Put him on the pitch and see what he really is. It's getting a little bit too fucking good for my liking.

Oh, that's beautiful. No, that's amazing. That's incredible. And what's that young man's name? Wow. Oh, that's beautiful. No, that's amazing. That's incredible. And what's that young man's name? Wow.

Oh, wow. Yaren. Bjorn? Yaren. Go on, Bjorn. Go on, Bjorn. That's amazing, man. Yeah, you know, I just think it's interesting. Even watching that, it's like music's just such a conduit for other people to feel, you know?

Yeah. And it's crazy that the words can come out of some person, some pen, some moment of feeling, and then it can metastasize. And that's the thing I think you never expect. When you're writing the song, you're not thinking about that. You're not thinking someone will sing this on a TV show in Germany or a TV show.

Like they did it in the Masked Singer and stuff over here. It's just like, it feels really, I guess it's like an honor that people would take it and want to sing it like that. Especially someone who's like a 10 year old kid. Oh yeah. Pretty spectacular. So yeah, I love it, man.

I just want to, anything that gets, and I think it's getting the music out there and people are hearing it and I think it's just... Yeah, it's amazing when that starts to happen. Is it tough to try to like whenever you recalibrate to write again, right? When you recalibrate. I know you have a new song, Survive, no, Survive, it just came out. Is it tough to, and congrats, it's great, man. Thanks, man. Cheers.

I just started listening to it, so sometimes it takes me a bit, even with songs. I'll listen to somebody's album the first time and be like, that's trash. Two weeks later, I will be fucking crying in the fucking back of my car. Yeah, yeah, I'm the exact same. By myself, dude, I drove myself there

and then got in the back and cried. Like, this is bad, but the music's good. What, is it hard to recalibrate? Like, do you feel like you have to write for the like, now you write, trying to write for the stars? Like, how does that get? That's got to be interesting. Yeah, I think I'm not like a massive fan of, I didn't grow up writing poetry or grow up.

I wasn't a fan of, I didn't grow up writing poetry or grow up. I wanted to play live gigs. And I, so it became a thing of, right, everyone I know who plays live gigs, who I look up to as like singers or whatever, they all have their own songs. So I will write my own songs. And then everyone I know who at the time, who I looked up to, they all played guitar.

So I'll learn how to play guitar so that I need to learn the guitar so I can write songs to then play them live. Do you know what I mean? So it was always just a, everything was a means to get on stage and play live. So even now, I'm like, when I'm in, you know, studios or whatever, I find that I do struggle a lot with writing. That song there took me like a year to finish. That thing of people saying, you know,

and I do get it, the best songs come the quickest or whatever, but that's like my biggest song and that's that took me so long. And I think there is something to be said for, you know, persevering with stuff like that a little bit. So yeah, when I get back to writing now, sometimes it's really difficult. I really have a hard time, just I find it hard sometimes to get what I'm thinking,

articulate what I'm trying to say, I suppose. And I find that in lots of different walks of life or whatever, but with writing, especially, I don't find it as easy as maybe, I think I overthink things now a lot more. Because I feel that people may actually hear this thing that I'm making. Do you know what I mean? Whereas before it was like, no cunts going to fucking listen to this. Do you know what I mean? Whereas before it was like, no cunts gonna fucking listen to this. Do you know what I mean? So, yeah, I really now overthink things. But again, this is something I'm trying to unlearn and sort of get back to sort of basics and just

write for me and because I want to write and because I want to play and stuff like that. So, yeah, it's always a bit of a difficult thing for me. I don't find it, I don't wake up, I have to write something today. Do you know what I mean? That doesn't like, not always anyway. I feel like- So you've got to follow the feelings

when you do have them. So for example, I haven't written a song in like six months recently. Yeah. So for the last six months, I've not written anything. Good for you though. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like it was important to not, to just take a bit of a break off. I don't know if it's the same with like when you're in standup or.

Oh, I think there's times like I'm looking forward to taking a little bit of a break, but at the same time, there's a part of me that's looking forward to starting with new stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm just grateful that that little part of me exists because there's times that I'm like, well, I still want to do this or, you know, I think we all kind of feel those things at certain moments of like taking a break from something will still be there when we come back. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But then let's say the absence that makes you when you miss it, that's a massive thing as well. And missing that sort of, um, where you hear somebody write a great joke and you're like, I got to give it, I got to try again. You know, like the other day I heard Chris Rock talking and I was like, oh, he's just my favorite and him and Louis TK. And I was like, oh man, I just can't even believe like I got to get out there and try again and see what else is inside of me.

If there's more than I'm capable of, you know. It's not necessarily like a competitive thing. Maybe it's that I always find when I hear, if a friend of mine writes an amazing song and I hear it on the radio, I go, fuck, that's so incredible. It's not like I'm not wanting to, oh, I need to be better than them. It's like, oh, I'd love to try and write something

that comes anywhere close to how great that is. Do you know what I mean? Or just to see what's in me. I had no idea what's inside of me. Fuck, I didn't know anything was inside of me. Yeah, exactly. You know, and then some shit came out and, you know, and it's been in it. So, yeah, just like trying to figure out what's inside of me. Is there a lyric that you've ever written that you feel really proud of?

Kind of like, is there one that's. There's like a song I wrote called How I'm Feeling Now, which I wrote when I was really in the sort of shit with stuff and the lyric is, so here's to my beautiful life that seems to leave me so unsatisfied, no sense of self, but self-obsessed. I'm always trapped inside my fucking head on and on and on. I thought I'd be happier somehow if you were wondering how I'm feeling now. And it's kind of about like my, how I was feeling in terms of I've got everything I ever wanted and I'm this like, yeah, I'm so sad. Do you know what I mean? I don't feel how I thought I would feel when I got to this

point. So that's something I'm really proud of. There's also a song on this upcoming, this upcoming, we're doing an EP at the minute, or releasing a bunch of stuff, and there's a song called The Day That I Die that I'm really, really proud of literally. It's just like, yeah, it's about that time when I was really feeling at my lowest that I'm really excited for people to hear. That's cool, man. Yeah, man.

No, I'm buzzing. I'm buzzing about getting out there and seeing what people think. Yeah. Yeah, I wonder. I'm trying to think. Like, I love, I like a lot of like, like UK, like Dermot Kennedy came on the podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, that'd be, if you and him did a collaboration, that'd be pretty amazing.

He's incredible. He's so good. Debra and I, we were releasing stuff. We kind of come up around the same time, especially in that UK, Ireland sort of scene and stuff. But he is, his voice is like, if I, when I was growing up, if there was an artist like Devin McKinnon, that was the sort of artist that I would have been like all then on. That would have been like my sort of, that's my type of shit. His last song, Let Me In or something, I think it's called, is brilliant. It's an amazing, amazing song. Let me take a gander at it real quick. Let me in. All of my goals But live in my head like reflections on water that only come once Still haven't learned the exceptions in the cinematic version of law I can't get enough these days

All the world doesn't seem to me quite how it used to see This life Is a touch too damn much for me, maybe that's meant for me Because I know there's a room where i'm happy But I can't find my way to the door So me who wins the war in my heart and my head I forgot what I'm suffering for He's brilliant. He's great man. That's awesome. Yeah dude if you guys did there'd be no tears they'd fuck They'd be the oceans would be full. Yeah, if you and Dermot Kennedy did They'd be the oceans would be full. If you and Dermot

Kennedy did a song together, the oceans would be full, man. It'd be done. It'd be a rap. It'd be 100% saltwater for the planet. We're done. The deserts are done. I'd love to, man. He's incredible. Or James Blake. Do you ever listen to James Blake? I love James Blake as well. Yeah. Retrograde and stuff like that. Yeah. If you guys had like a, I'm just trying to think of things that I like. Sorry, I'm trying to pin work on you. No, no, please. Or just like an up. Cause then it would be like, or like, I wonder if he, I'm just trying to think of things that I like. Sorry, I'm trying to fucking pin work on you. No, no, please.

Or just like an up, because then it would be like, or like, I wonder if he, I wonder if he's ever done any remix of your stuff. I don't know, I'm just thinking of like, I guess British artists that I know. But James is such a... Yeah, well, let's say Sam Fender. Sam Fender? Sam Fender's incredible. Kind of like, he's got that sort of like, Bruce Springsteen-y thing going on and so

he's, he's fucking, he's probably like one of the biggest, maybe the biggest in the UK. Is he really? Yeah, I went to see him at London Stadium recently. He's a fucking special, special, special artist. Wow. And it says he just canceled shows, he had mental health, he was so brilliant.

Yeah, do you know what's so funny? It's become every single, this is again, and not to go back to like fame or whatever, even just it's really kind of sad, but like every person I know who's achieved something that they grew up aiming for or dreaming of or whatever seems to have this sort of, seems to struggle with it when it When they get it. Well, I think I think we're at a time where there's never been as much coverage of things

Yeah, there's never been we've never been in this time before. Yeah as society We've had people that have had popularity and fame over years, right? Or have achieved different amazing things or interesting things. But we've never had this much coverage, this much, I think this much reflection of ourselves. And I think people are suffering from it at all. I think it's a little bit of people are dealing with that at all levels, you know, at all levels of their lives. But it is kind of fascinating because every generation, you're into a new experience. So how does fame fit in this world when the reflection

in the pond has gotten so much bigger? Yeah, 100%. But yeah, something upbeat. Like if you guys and James Blake did like a trap, just something like fucking, you know, because he does like some, I'm just thinking of interesting things that I like, but I'll have to check out Sam Fender.

Let me think, I wanted to ask you another, oh, do you have a brother? You have a brother? I've got two brothers and a sister. Okay. I'm the youngest of four. And what are they like? They're good, man. They're great. My, obviously, my, we're all two years apart, so. Okay, yeah, same in my family. Yeah, yeah, so how many, how many are you of four?

Four total, two and two. Oh, is it? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Fucking brilliant, yeah. Any hotties in your, in your? It's an old. Oh, is it? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Any hotties in your... It's an old American joke, you know? It's an old Catholic joke.

I'm Catholic as well. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, brother. Good on you, sir. Oh, that's us. Oh, there you go. Right there. There you go.

That's me on the left there with the big ears. Oh, there you go. Christ, I got some myself, lad. There you go. Oh yeah. That's a good the left there with the big ears. Oh, there you go. Christ, I got some myself on. There you go. Oh yeah.

That's a good noise to make. We'll be fine. Well, mine can hear yours. I think mine are bigger. Okay, take me left to right. That's you right there. And when's this picture taken, do you know? I must be about two there, so maybe like 1998, 1999. Maybe, I don't know. I'm totally fucking guessing. But that's my sister, Danny, there. be about two there, so maybe like 1998, 1989? Maybe, I don't know.

I'm totally fucking guessing, but that's my sister Dani there. That's my brother Warren. Warden? Warden. Oh wow. W-A-R-R-E-N. Oh, Warden.

Warden, and that's Aidan on the right there. But yeah, they're great. Like I love them. What are they like? What does Dani like to do? She likes to, she's a very social person. She's very outgoing, very funny. Oh, beautiful lady.

Yeah, they are. And yeah, they're all, yeah, they're all great. Like we get on. And what about Warren? Is he all right? Yeah, he's great. He's, he was a musician as well. He kind of got me into sort of music and stuff like that.

He was sort of the, I guess, the catalyst for all. Oh yeah. And he was the older brother? He's the oldest. Oh, everybody wants to be like their older brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course, man. He's amazing. He's a great guy. And Aiden as well, the closest. Me and Aiden used to share a room, so we're probably like, I'd say maybe the closest of the four of us. But it's an interesting one because it's like, obviously we'd do anything, but if one of them phoned me and was like, do you want to go for a beer? I'd be like, what's happened?

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's going on here? You know what I mean? So that sort of relationship, but they're, but yeah, they're great. That's amazing. Very, very close family,

and my mom and dad as well. Yeah. It's a really, yeah, it's a nice sort of support network. Yeah, I saw some of your family on the documentary, I think. Yes, on Netflix. It was pretty cool to see. Yeah, man, yeah, they're great. My dad and my mom are very no-nonsense, like working class.

They're Scots, huh? Yeah, proper, proper, proper. Yeah. Just sort of the other people. And I feel like that's really helped. They are very self-deprecating. We all take the piss out of each other, stuff like that. So it feels like that's really sort of shaped, I guess,

who I am these days, do you know what I mean? But they're great, it's amazing to have them because I speak to them most, my mom and dad especially, I speak to them most days. Yeah. Yeah, I try to anyway. But yeah, they're great. Nice, man.

Yeah, just nice to include them too. Yeah, for sure. You were working with BetterHelp, I do want. Nice, man. Yeah, just nice to include them too. Yeah, I appreciate it. You were working with BetterHelp. I do want to say that before you leave, because they sponsor our program a lot. Yeah, yeah, of course. We'll have them in this episode too. But you are working with BetterHelp to give away.

Yeah, 734,000 free hours of therapy is the thing. It was like, so it's an hour, a thousand hours for every single day that I took off and I was away from touring and all the rest of it. I just felt like therapy was such a positive experience for me and things that I did and really, yeah, it just really made me feel quite, it's just got me back to where I was. Yeah, we were talking about it. It's part of your life now. Yeah, and I feel like if I can sort of give people, because I don't necessarily think therapy is for everybody at all.

Some things are better left in a box under the bed. Do you know what I mean? I think, yeah. Talking about you Ireland. This is a joke. But the shame in Ireland, fuck, they should have a fucking, they should have a life. The Catholic guilt, the Catholic guilt. Yeah, they should have a life.

They should be, Ireland should be sponsored by Better Health. But yeah, no, and I feel like if I could open up any sort of door for someone to try therapy for the first time or get, because sometimes it's expensive as well. Oh yeah. And in the UK, obviously we've got the NHS, free healthcare, but sometimes that's like overrun at the minute

and people are really struggling to get seen and get therapy through the NHS and stuff sometimes and people might not have the means to go private or what else. So yeah, it was just one of these things. In fact, fucking shout out to BetterHelp for being up for it and being sort of, yeah, being so forthcoming and being sound enough to do this with us. I think it's, yeah, hopefully it helps some people. And that's the end of it. Even just having that first experience with therapy,

you know, and learning what it's about. And then also not feeling like, okay, now I have a therapist that this has to be perfect. It's just like a relationship in life. You try and find a good relationship. You find one that fits, but you also don't want one that fits too great because then it can just be a place of comfort where

You know you're like I like a little bit of conflict with my therapist and I would be like there would be times I'd be sitting with my therapist and I'd be like I Would want to say like at first I'd be like I want I didn't like what they just said, right? You say they said something I like what they said. Yeah, but instead of saying that I would just get quiet Yeah, right, but then finally one day I was like, I didn't like what they said. But instead of saying that, I would just get quiet. Right? But then finally, one day I was like, I didn't like what you just said to me. Right?

And then they were like, okay, that's great. Right? Let's work with that. You know? Right. But instead I'd always been this other way, like, oh, I shouldn't want to hurt their feelings or this type of thing, you know?

But once I was able to change, and I realized, oh, that's their job. Yes. They're hoping for that because it gives them something to work with. I was operating with this different thing like, Oh, everything's supposed to be completely kind of copacetic, you know? What else did I want to say? That's about it. You have a tour. Well, I could talk to you forever, man. Thank you so much for having us on. I really appreciate it. Yeah, dude. It's so cool. I was so excited you forever, man. Yeah, thank you so much for having us on I really appreciate it Yeah, dude. It's so cool. I was so excited about this man I think a couple years ago we started kind of DMing each other and stuff and uh, I just like yeah

Thank you so much for all the music that helps us feel you know Yeah, man, no, thank you for fucking everything you do like this podcast like I'm listening every week. So it's like a class No, but it has been really fucking helpful for me in times as well. So I really appreciate it. You bet dude. Yeah, I can't even believe we get to do this shit, you know. This great shit. This great shit.

Yeah, sorry. But no, dude, it's cool, dude. It's cool that we get to sit here and talk about this stuff. And yeah, I'm excited for the new tour. So you're about to go to Australia, right? I go, yeah, I've just announced the Australia tour. We've got a UK tour in September as well. And was this stuff that was on the dock

and you had to cancel it before? The Australia tour is almost the exact same tour that we canceled. But so yeah, that's that one. But the UK is just a fresh one, sort of get us tuned up a bit and get us back into the swing of things. And then yeah

Hopefully America next year and do some bits and bobs and I just wanted to do as much as fucking possible I'm like I'm back now and I really want to just dig in a bit Yeah, and get things fucking get things going again. So and yeah, man, I'm fucking excited Well as fans will be here when you get to us, you know, so don't you know don't feel like you got her You know, welcome back or whatever. I don't know what the fuck am I talking about. I don't know shit. Yeah.

I think everybody's just glad you're feeling good and excited to hear what you do, you know, and whatever you don't do, you're already great, man. Thank you, man. Yeah. Lewis Capaldi, man. Thank you, brother. Thank you, man. What a pleasure.

Yeah. Cheers. And Margaret. Margaret, not Melissa. Sorry mum for forgetting that. There you are. Godspeed woman. cornerstone oh oh but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones but it's gonna take