This Past Weekend - #616 - Retired Boston Detective

Episode Date: October 9, 2025

Kara Connolly is a former detective and police officer who recently retired following a 30+ year career in the Boston area. After her time as a patrolwoman she transferred to the Human Trafficking Division where she worked undercover. Kara joins Theo to talk about some of her most unique cases as a detective, going undercover on Backpage to target sex-buyers, and her thoughts on why crime enforcement has softened in recent years.  ------------------------------------------------ Tour Dates! https://theovon.com/tour New Merch: https://www.theovonstore.com ------------------------------------------------- Sponsored By: Celsius: Go to the Celsius Amazon store to check out all of their flavors. #CELSIUSBrandPartner #CELSIUSLiveFit https://amzn.to/3HbAtPJ  Rocket Money: Go to http://rocketmoney.com/theo to cancel your unwanted subscriptions. Blue Chew: Go to http://bluechew.com and use code THEO at checkout for your first month free. Sonic: For a limited time, redeem a free large drink when you purchase a Sonic Smasher: https://www.sonicdrivein.com/menu/burgers/sonic-smasher/ Valor Recovery: To learn more about Valor Recovery please visit them at https://valorrecoverycoaching.com/  or email them at [e-mail] Perplexity AI: Ask anything at https://pplx.ai/theo and download their new web browser Comet at https://comet.perplexity.ai/ ------------------------------------------------- Music: “Shine” by Bishop Gunn Bishop Gunn - Shine ------------------------------------------------ Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: [e-mail] Hit the Hotline: [phone] Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: https://www.theovon.com/fan-upload Send mail to: This Past Weekend 1906 Glen Echo Rd PO Box #159359 Nashville, TN 37215 ------------------------------------------------ Find Theo: Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend Twitter: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoVonClips Shorts Channel: https://bit.ly/3ClUj8z ------------------------------------------------ Producer: Zach https://www.instagram.com/zachdpowers Producer: Trevyn https://www.instagram.com/trevyn.s/  Producer: Nick https://www.instagram.com/realnickdavis/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Today's guest is a retired Boston police officer and detective. She had over 20 years on the force before she joined the human trafficking unit and fought criminals in that world. We learned a lot about what it's really like out there, and I want to thank her for her service. Today's guest is Ms. Kara. Connolly

Yeah, my, I've been losing some hair because of stress. Yeah, it happens, sucks. Yeah, you just wake up and it looks like you look back, you're like, oh, who was... On your pillow, yeah, it's gross. Your pillow's got sideburns on it or something. You know, your pillow is using a curling eye? It's a mess, yeah. It's way too much.

You've dealt with it? Yeah, in the past, yeah. Yeah? And was it stressed from work? Yeah, and other things. But the monocsill definitely helps because I was, I called my doctor and they're like, oh, she can't see you for nine months. And I was like, well, my fucking hair's falling out.

And they're like, well, you could see the nurse practitioner in two months. I was like, no. So I went to one of those online things. And they sent me a monocidil in like three months. I had little bald baby hair sprouting out and it came back. So it does help. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm realizing. I just got to, yeah, just taking some time just to enjoy, do things just that I enjoy. That's what I'm, that's like my focus right now, was just to do things that I enjoy. Because I'll let added stress stay on me as well, you know? Yeah, of course. That's what I'll do. Yeah, and not realizing that everything's going to be okay, you know.

That's what my, my boyfriend's here with us. And when I was nervous about today, and he's like, it's all going to be okay. Yeah. It really is. Like no latitudes. Yeah, everything's going to be okay. Kara Connelly, thank you so much for joining us. You are a retired police officer and detective from Boston. That's correct. And you were on the forces for 30... 31 years.

31 years. Yeah. And you started out in Dorchester, I think. Yeah, when I graduated the police academy, they send you to a couple different places to until you're on probation or whatever. And I went to a part of the city called Dorchester. Wait, probation? They send...

So when you join the police apartment and you go through the police academy. Okay. And then when you get out, now they do it for a year. But when I did graduate it, it was six months. And they have you, you basically, it's probationary period to see if you're, you know, good enough, behave enough or do the right thing for like six months. So they send you to a couple different places, like one busy district, one quiet district. So they start to like a probationary period somewhere? Yes.

And you might stay there. They might move you. But that's how you're on probation for six months. And then you're, you know, a full-time police officer after that. Okay. And what were those first years on the force like? like in South Boston, was it? Yeah, so it's actually born in South Boston.

So I was in Dorchester, and I was in South Boston. So Boston at the time was a quieter district. Dorchester was very, very busy. In the 90s, it was like in Boston was a ton of shootings and gang stuff going on. So comparatively speaking, South Boston was a quieter place to end up for several years. And what were the demographics of that area like where you were servicing? Kind of everywhere. Dorchester is a different demographic in.

South Boston, population-wise. Now, South Boston's very hip and, like, it's all young kids. But with the time, obviously, it was like all just kind of families. Pretty quiet place at the time compared to other districts were, like, you know, shooting every couple of days. And is it mostly white, black, Latino, Asian? Dorchester, at the time, when I was first there, was a lot of blacks, some white, some Asian.

And South Boston at the time was mostly white, but some black and Latinos. Got it. And who were the people they call South Boston? Southies, because you hear that a lot. Southies is not a thing. You could say you're from Southie, but it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not pluralized. There's no S on the end of it.

But, um, so I'm from Southie. But I never said that growing up. We always said South Boston. But most people said I'm from South East. Okay. It's just a nickname for the part of town. Right. But so you're not like, do, but other people call you Southies as a Southies?

No, people from like out of the city who hear about it became popular because it was in Goodwell hunting, was in South Boston. So that's kind of what put it on the map. So when people started moving there. and didn't know any better, that's how they would say it. But people who grew up there back in 70s, 80s or whatever, didn't say it like that. That pub that they, you know, they filmed in became like a big thing, Elstreet Tavern. And that was like around the corner from where I grew up.

And were the people there distrustful of police at the time? What was the relationship like between? No, people insult they like the cops compared to other parts of the city, I think, in my experience. I mean, it was a quiet place when I worked there. Most of the stuff that's kind of good stuff that happened or whatever, or crazy. calls I've been on happen when I was a detective. Patrolman was pretty quiet. Do you remember one of your first, like, big calls as a patrolman that was like, oh, this is

real? Like, do you remember that, like, a first moment where you're like, this is pretty real? Well, a lot of the calls, that's funny. A lot of the calls when it comes in, like, you know, a person with the gun call, like, I still remember my first person with the gun call. I was shit in my pants because I was like, oh, my God, you know? And it turned out to be bullshit. It wasn't even real.

So a lot of the calls are like that. You don't know they're fake until you get there. So you're like your adrenaline dump in the car. like, oh my God, this is real. And I remember being like, what am I going to do? Nothing. It was a big nothing burger. Were you putting lipstick on or what I mean?

What do you even do? No, no. There was no lipstick when I was a patrolman. No. Yeah, like, would you like powder up your face a little bit or something? No, no one parted their face on the way to a call. That wasn't it. No, that wasn't a thing.

Yeah, that's just in Charlie's Angels, huh? Yeah. What was it like being an officer in the 90s in that time period? Like, was that way different than you think it is now? Yes. I think so. I mean, obviously, the gang. The rate of shootings in Boston was much higher than, I forget what the highest homicide rate was in the early 90s.

It might have been like 150, 160 people. Now Boston has like 35 a year. So it's a big difference. It's become much safer whether everyone, the gang's kind of aged out and they all went to jail or, you know, got shot or moved on in life. Whatever happened, it became much safer, I'd say. There's no money in being in a gang either. I think a lot of people were like, oh, this is a shitty business, you know? This says 1990, the homicide peak.

Boston's homicide count hit an all-time high of 152 cases with much of the violence concentrated among youth and involving firearms. The spike was driven by gang violence, crack, cocaine epidemic, and easy access to handguns. Yeah, so 90s are a little different than now, for sure. Compared to then, how do you feel like police work is different between now and then? Do you have any thoughts on that? I don't know. I mean, the whole community policing aspect started when I was near.

So that's kind of still progressed along. What does that mean community policing? Well, that's what they call it. At the time, they had walking beats. So when I got on, you wouldn't be in a cruiser like you'd walk, the neighborhood, kind of like they do it in New York City. They have people walking around. There's not a lot of cruisers.

And so they would put people in certain parts of the city. Like when I got on, for example, and I worked in Dorchester, I think there were like seven or eight walking beats up and down like kind of the main street in the town. And now, excuse me, there's only a couple. And they just put those on again. So they're kind of trying to get back to that. So that was very different. Like people who did the walking bits full time,

like knew everyone in the neighborhood. That was the whole purpose, is to get people into the neighborhood so people feel comfortable speaking to the police. Except the neighborhoods where they put the walking beats were usually the worst neighborhoods and people didn't give a shit. They didn't want to talk to us.

Oh, it didn't matter anyway. No, not the parts of the city where they had them. Now it's different. They don't have as many walking beats at all. They push a lot of the social media stuff like the dancing cops is the fucking worst. It's so cringy. And all police departments do that.

They put it out to try to be like, look, we're excessive. Oh, see, it's so, so embarrassing. Oh, I haven't even seen this. It's just, it's so goddamn cringy. Are these real cops? That's usually the, I don't know about them. Yeah, it says they are. Oh, my.

Well, at least, at least they can dance. Like, when our department puts it out, it's like, she's like, right, cops like, oh, we're playing basketball with the kids. And, you know, what let's all do, especially during COVID. It's just, it's so cringy. They just pointed out on the other day from Female Woman Police Law Enforcement Day. And they had, like, women dancing, some of my girlfriends and I sent it back and forth. Like, this is so bad.

Who wants to see? Dude, the last thing I want is my cop dancing over there. Is that what you're looking for when you call for help? Someone to show up at sat dancing. Like, you want someone who's going to give you a hand. Yeah. It's just, I know they're trying to soften their image. They don't want to look like paramilitary anymore.

they want to look friendly and not scary and whatever. Whether it works or not long term, I don't know. Yeah. You get promoted to a detective in 2005? Seven. 2007, yeah. Okay. And what is, what does it mean to become a detective?

What does that mean exactly? So to become a detective back then you had to take an exam. So it's like a six-month to year-long process. You have to study for several months. And there's like six or seven textbooks you have to read. So you take the exam and then they do kind of like an oral interview, depending on how you score on the test. And then they kind of combine your years of training.

and experience your test score and your interview to say okay these people have been high enough score to get made detective so and then you do like a month's worth of training back at the police academy to because being a detective and versus a patrolman it's very very different uh first of all you know wear a uniform which is my favorite part um but it's just completely different job like you're now responsible cop gets a call they go to the call they write a report and that's the end of it until they have to go to court if the report that the cop writes about it gets assigned to a detective and now you own that. So you have to follow through. You have to follow up and go to court or take out criminal charges or whatever. So it's a very different job. Is there a lot of lobbying to become a detective? Like whenever you're on the force

or people like, I want to be detective and then do people, is there any way to manipulate things so it betters your changes of becoming a detective? Or is it not like that? Not like that. So everyone, if anyone's a patrolman, doesn't want to be a patrolman for long. I was a patrolman for 13 years,

which was a long time. We had, usually they do the detectives exam every two or three years. For some reason, we had a seven-year break because I didn't take it. I just had a child. And I was like, I'll take the next one a couple of years. And it was seven years. So I was a patrolman for a long time. So people won't.

It was seven years to the next promotion? Yeah, to the next exam. So it was a long wait. But people want it just because it's better than being a patrolman. Some people love being a patrolman and will do that their entire life. But most people either want to take an exam and become the supervisor, like a sergeant, and lieutenant, keep kind of going up the job. chain or people are interested in being a detective so it's definitely desirable you know

do you remember an early case as a detective that really kind of stood out to you um yeah i had a good robbery months um you know that sounds like an oxymar on a good arm robbery it was on a good arm robbery it was on halloween uh which is always one of the worst days of the year to work fourth of july Halloween sucks they're always crazy but we had an arm robbery of it was a cell phone store in the morning it was in the morning it was like 9 30 in the morning the store just opened up and these two dudes went in and there was some girl where young girl early 20s working there by herself it was in a shitty part of town and they literally tied her up with like telephone cord around her wrists and her ankles and they stole it was like

800 bucks or 785 dollars whatever it was um but the feds ended up taking it because it was a T-mobile and they can kind of loop in the um commerce act like by saying it because commerce was halted with other states it becomes like a federal case but the guys ran off and the girl it was like something out of a movie it was all on video she literally hopped over to the phone all tied up with her ankles and they put a gun to her head and everything it was two got firearms and she was terrified and they um she hopped over to the phone and like knocked it off with her head and was like calling for help at least she's in a phone store though like at least like but she was able to do that and then it came in quick so a couple of the guys from work everyone it would

I worked with the best people on Earth in Dorchester. They really were great, great cops. And they just kind of flood the area right away. And their descriptions going out. And one of the officers is actually one of my police academy classmates, ends up seeing these two guys walking down the street. And a description had been given out to clothing. They left like a trail of clothing down the street.

They tried to drop everything and change their appearance. It's hard to run and change at the same time. Yeah. So they were just kind of, yeah, walking down the street. And really nice, it's actually a little teeny. There's a nice neighborhood in this bad section of town. So they kind of stuck out. But then he sees the trail of clothing jackets and hats and shit left behind. So he called it in.

These guys, one of them had on gloves, but the other one had band-aids and tape around his fingers so he wouldn't leave any fingerprints. And as the guys, everyone went up there, the patrolmen were talking to him, he notices them going only they're picking away to try to get the band-aids and tape off their hands. And then another officer in the area was searching. She's looking in trash cans, and she found the guns. And then someone found the box, the money box. So it was a, that was a pretty good one.

It was an exciting one. Yeah, it was just, it came together nicely. Everyone worked, like, did so well together. Everyone was there at the right time to do the right thing. And then the feds took it. And they had serious criminal records, both of them, one of them had doing armed robberies all over the city. It was like the same guy hit like five or six places. So we were glad to get him.

They got, because it was federal, they got like 20-something years each. One of their brothers was a truck driver. And that's how they got the guns. was a cross-country truck driver, and he would, he would bought guns in Arizona, and then brought them back here. So that's what made of federal? Is that there was transporting guns across state lines? I think they didn't end up prosecuting him because he basically testified against his brother.

But what made it such a big, what made the sentencing so severe? Because they were, the way the feds do it in federal court is they basically add up, it's a point system, and depending on how many charges or cases, how many times you've been found guilty, then you're considered an armed career criminal, and you get extra time added on. Oh, got it. But yeah, for $785, they went to jail for like 20-something years each. It was crazy. It's idiots.

Yeah, pretty much. That poor girl was terrified. I always felt bad for her. Yeah. Oh, that would be so scary, dude. I don't know what I would do if someone did something like that, like, you know. She didn't even want to identify them. We were trying to do like a, we do a bring back or show up your bring because we brought

them to say, have her identity. identify them and she was like hiding behind the blinds in the store we usually they'll have them like go out and the sidewalk and the person will like look through a car window but she was literally hiding she was absolutely terrified the fourth thing she's crying and everything how important are fingerprints is that a real thing how important is that when you were detective well that that's a real thing because everyone's are different yeah so if you get found at a scene whether it's a break in or um a robbery or something like that and they find your fingerprints Well, what other excuse do you have for being there?

So it's a pretty good, especially now people like in court, when cases go to court, they don't want witness identification. They want, because of all the CSI shows, they think we all have this bags of evidence to show when it comes to court. So juries want to see forensics. They want fingerprints. They want like cell phone records. They want DNA left behind because of the TV shows makes it look like that's left at every scene.

But these guys covered their fingerprints. They had masks on, like, they put, you know, bandanas around their face. But the girl identified them from the clothes. One of them didn't have a mask on. So fingerprints are definitely very important. And what's the process of actually lifting fingerprints? What is that?

And you hear the term lifting fingerprints? So different surfaces use different tools. Like this surface, the grain of the wood would be no good. You need like a smooth surface. Like they train us on like granite, like countertops. Oh yeah, granite's nice. It's very smooth. It's shiny.

So if someone leaves a fingerprint, whether you have dry or hands, you're leaving oil behind. And you could take your powder and you spin the little powder on like a smooth surface and literally the fingerprint pops. And then you just take this kind of clear square of like sticky tape and then like press it down and then lift it up so it transfers onto the outline transfers onto. There you go. Can there be fingerprints in a place?

Could you look at a counter or something and see nothing and there could actually be fingerprints there? Yeah, you can kind of, if you use a flashlight, sometimes you can see it if it's a clean surface. If it's like a shithole house or like bank robberies, we don't do fingerprints because so many people go up to every teller. Like even if a bank robber comes in and puts his hands down,

there's 10,000 other fingerprints there from the people that came before you. So they don't, we don't bother with something like that. Because you have to be able to show it's a suspect. So they won't like put it into the system to see who it even belongs to. Could a surface be so dirty that then the print itself actually makes

it clean and that? You know what I'm saying? Yes, on dirty windows. We get those on a break in when they push up a window and leave them behind and you can literally see them because you can see sometimes they'll smear the dirt sometimes it's so dirty though the dust won't the dust won't adhere to it got it what it what's a person who picks up the fingerprints what do they call that person uh well we do it detectives do it in boston yeah some in other places like the crime scene tech will come out on other departments but we do it ourselves unless it's like a major incident like a homicide, then the homicide unit will call the forensic unit, like, and they'll, those,

those are civilians, they're not police officers, but they'll have, they have gone to school for that. So if it's like a major, you know, like I said, a homicide, they'll call on the crime scene text to do it. They don't want to mess with us. And you ever have a day where it's just busy, you're like, oh, shit, I got to get to my kid's birthday or whatever. I'm going to fucking just, we'll hope for the best of us when you take off. Yeah, it sucks. Like you could be, your shift ends of four o'clock if you work days in it, you know,

345, someone, a person stabbed. All right, I won't be home until midnight. Oh, you say, oh, so you stay. You stay. Oh, yeah. I was saying, like, if you ever had a thing where it's like, I've got to get out of here, you know. Instead of doing the word, instead of dust him for these fingerprints, I'm going to hit the road, you know. You can't do that.

You can't. No, it's on you. It's your case. If you're on call, we call it catch day in Boston. But detectives, like certain squads have in charge of all those calls that day. So, you know, five things could come in. We could get a shooting, a stabbing, an armed armed robbery, and, and, you know, missing person, and they're all assigned to you. But it's not that busy,

but it can be. They might have a day, like, you don't even go pee, you don't even eat lunch. I mean, it's a few and far between, but it definitely happens. Wow, so you're just cruising like that. Yeah. How much, you mentioned television a little bit ago, how much is television and what people think and expect? How much has that affected, like, the prosecution of cases? Ruined it. Absolutely destroyed it. Yeah. Because everyone has such high expectations. If they watch, you know, CSI, Miami or whatever the hell it is, and see, they solve everything instantly and they have cooperative witnesses or they have all this piles of evidence and like I said people in because of that people in regular juries and regular court

cases expect oh do they literally come back with no saying why don't you have fingerprints why don't you have DNA like why don't you have that well not every case has that like I said a bank rob he comes in they don't touch the kind of we have no DNA we have no fingerprints you have no semen either surely we have to go on eyewitness identification and videos now everywhere videos huge. Video's a huge help, but it's definitely the shows have been a detriment to prosecuting cases for sure. So you think it's made her, that the shows have made it harder to prosecute cases? Absolutely, because people have higher expectations. The juries do. The juries do. And they're like, oh, there's not enough here. Yes, they'll be like, it's not, you don't have

anything. Where is everything? Like, well, we have a, you know, we've got the video and we've got this and that. And like, no. So it's tricky. Yeah. It's not been our friend. It's fascinating. Yeah, it's fascinating. Because they kind of glorified. It's glorifies the sport of being a detective, but at the same time. Rewened it. A lot of things happen like that. Once things get glorified so much, they get ruined sometimes. I think that's just almost a general rule of things, it feels like, except for God probably.

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great joke, he's like, the first 48 and I'm paraphrasing, he's like, the first 48, it's like these detectives have 48 hours to solve the crime, but really they have as much time as they want. Yeah, they do, we do. You know, sometimes you're waiting on video. Like, it doesn't, obviously, if you don't have a suspect, like, right away.

But if you work at it, sometimes the evidence is healthy, you just have to find it. It might not slap you in the face at 10 minutes after the incident. Right. But do you really only have 48 hours? No, we have all the time you need, except it gets busy. And if I have, you know, three cases that day, and if, like, I got to work on it. And then two days from now, I get another big one that, like a shooting or stabbing or whatever. now your attention is split.

So time is of the essence because something else is always going to happen. Something's coming and whether you have a leisurely amount of time to work on the case, because then you're working overtime. Then you're working in a double to try to stay and work on this case

because another one could come in tomorrow. So it is, this point to it, like the 40s are important, but I think more so because something else is coming. So it's going to take the attention away and then you can only be in so many places at once, you know what I mean? You can't, you can't.

Yeah, I never thought about that part of it. How do you prioritize what cases are most important? I mean, obviously, like if someone gets shot or stabbed, like that's a violent crime and you want that person who, it's more defendant-based. Like, the kind of person that's going to do that, you want them. Off the streets. Right.

Right, understood. And if, you know, compared to, you know, identity fraud, well, that's not an emergency. That can wait, you know what I mean? So those kind of like, because we get a ton of fraud. Check fraud and all that shit, bang fraud. It's a nightmare because it's a lot of the times it's not even taking place. We have our victims in our city, but suspects are all over the country or all over the world.

So you can't prosecute them. Yeah. So it's hard to chase down. So those are kind of, to the victim, it's not a lower priority. They're the one that had their money stolen or whatever. But it's not the same as being shot or stabbed or. Or having a criminal that's, Yeah, violent armed robbery or something like that.

You've got to find this guy now because obviously they're in heat for crime. Yes, exactly. Wow. So are there days when you kind of get to the end of your shift almost and you look and you're like, oh my God, there's still that one missing person I didn't reach out about it. So this one thing. It's always a pile. And now I have to go do that. Yeah.

Oh. You very rarely get to go home at the end of your shift. You're always staying. And what's that effect like on your home life? Like, were you able to have kind of a home life? Like, what was that like for you? I mean, it makes it trickier, for sure. You need help at home.

It definitely makes it more difficult. And were you able to have a family? Do you have children? Yeah. Nice. Oh, your daughter's here. My daughter's here. Oh, nice.

I forgot. Yeah. I didn't forget, but I think I just didn't know if she wanted to say it or not, maybe, too. So, yeah, how do you manage that? Was that? It's tricky. It was difficult. It was.

It was hard, yeah. Because if you're expected to come home, I get you to help them with that project or you've got to make supper. And you have to call them. like, I'm not, I'm not going to make it. Someone got stabbed or I got to stay late. A lot of times you know you're going to be like, okay, those days I know I can stay late because I have coverage with the kids or whatever.

Yeah. But it's not easy. But at least you had a good excuse. Yeah. I mean, I wasn't out, you know, getting my nails done or getting shit-faced. But. Yeah, I'm getting my nails done or I'm getting, yeah. I'm working.

Yeah. At least you way, it wasn't like, yeah, I'm drinking or something. Or Eucluses on third base. I can't, you know. Yeah, exactly. I'm not going to be home on time. Yeah. Do you start to see where family life suffers?

Do you see it? Like, you know, because that's also a common theme in a lot of like police serial programming and films and stuff where the detective is working late and then there's the family thing starts to suffer, you know? I mean, I'm sure it did. But like I said, you kind of figure it out. You make it work. You can.

Like I was a detective in a busy part of the city. That's why I transferred to the human trafficking unit because that was like, a Monday through Friday job, not a rotating schedule, because I worked holidays. We worked every Christmas. You got a holiday off every six years. But you'd get all the holidays off that year. So that year you're getting, you know, excuse me,

you're getting Easter, excuse me, please, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's. You'll get all the bigies off. But then it's six more years until you get another one. Wow. So I went to human trafficking. Bring some water real quick, you don't mind. You're good. Horrific.

Sorry, Miss. You are, I don't want to tell you what to do anything. Thank you for your service. That's what I'm saying. So it's sick. Wow, that's wild. So that time you get to spend with your family, it's really crucial.

Yeah, especially holidays, you know. But if you're working different shifts, if you work in the midnight shift, you can kind of go home and start to sleep for a couple hours and then, you know, meet everybody at Thanksgiving. So that's how Boston worked. Obviously different cities do different things.

We just had six squads rotating days off. But some units, like the human trafficking unit, is Monday through Friday. So it's a little more normal if you have young kids or a family and you won't be in a regular person, as I call it, and have Saturday on Sunday off like everybody else, those units are better for something like that.

Got it. And I know you ended up in that unit. I want to talk to you about that in just a second. Take me through a couple more detective calls that were interesting to you or that really stood out. I'd say, my joke was always going to be that was going to write a book

and the name of it was going to be Dick on the sidewalk and other stories from the street. The last few years, I was a detective. I got like three of the craziest cases of my life in the year 31. We had some of the guy cut off his own dick and threw it on the sidewalk. Oh, for what?

Because he was crazy. He was mentally ill, but we don't know any of this. So the call came in in the morning. I was on the way in. It was early in the morning. It was cold out. I remember that. Oh, yeah.

I have the radio on, and I hit the dispatcher, call a car, and then start to laugh. And then she says, disregard. We don't know what's happening. And so I'm driving to the station, and then a call comes in again, sending a different car, because it was like the midnight shift ending, sending a different car. Hey, can you go to this location? Someone said this is a male end, a piece of male anatomy on the sidewalk. And we were all laughing. We thought it was a dildo. We thought it was a joke. That's why the dispatcher was laughing. Yeah, you just thought it was like a WMBA game or whatever. It wasn't green. Call comes in like 10 minutes later. And my detective that I was working with the time, looked it up on the computer to see the text of the call. What does this actually say? And then we saw that the caller was from a nearby health center.

And it's just said, there's, you know, it appears to be a penis on the ground. There's blood everywhere. We're like, oh, shit, that's not fake. So the patrolmen go up there. And so that's our starting point. We don't know anything else. And literally there it is. I wasn't there yet.

The patrolman seat on the sidewalk and there's a blood trail. So they start following the blood trail. And it went a long way, several hundred yards. And it gets worse and worse. So that's how it starts. So that's our starting point. And the patrolmen follow the blood trail. And then they're following it up the stairs of this three family house.

It's like three apartments of one house. And the blood gets bigger and bigger. They knock on the door. This guy opens the door, completely naked. A hole where his dick used to be. And he's just standing there, not talking. And they're like, hey, buddy, you okay? And he's just like, he doesn't speak.

He just stares at them. So that they were newer guys. I felt so bad for them. That's a tough call. They weren't brand new, obviously, but that's a lot for young guys to see this, right? Oh, yeah, just see some cock down the street or whatever. They're like, hey, why don't you, why you come in and sit down? So they, and turns out it was like a group home for mentally ill people, but there was no staff members or anything.

So there's three people in the house. It is a blood bath. There's blood everywhere in the bedroom, the floor, the sink was full of it. So they find that and they get on the radio and they're like, get us an ambulance, whatever, because we don't know how does someone alive, right? So he's alive. So I got called and me and another detective, my boss went down and it's on the sidewalk and they're taking photographs or whatever. And they call once the ambulance find out he's alive, they just assumed somebody had bled out somewhere and was dead or someone did it to somebody else. He's like, no, I did it.

Like, oh, shit, okay. So he's being honest. Yeah, well, he's just completely and utterly mentally mentally. At some other point, he'd like caught off his own nipples. He said to let the devil out. So the poor thing was very mentally ill. He was young, early 20s. So once the EMTs find out this person's alive,

now they want to try to collect it to see if they can reattach it at the hospital. So we had done our photos. I actually have a video of this whole thing. I pulled video from the street nearby surveillance video. That's how I know, kind of everything after the fact. They come down to reattach it. And we had just done the photos. I didn't look directly at it.

I can do the other caution. You do like a weird blurring. It's almost like when someone. blurs out somebody's face and I'm going to be it. That's what your brain does. You're like, I don't want to see that. I want to see all of it. It was, it was big. It was nasty. So they try to come down to take it off the sidewalk. He goes to pick it up. And what are they using a spatula or whatever? No, I do. He had gloves on. He was using his hand. And he had this weird, like, clear cylinder. He was an EMT. He had this like cylinder thing he was going to put in.

Remember at the bank? Remember at the bank? You would put that check in the thing and send it back up literally like that. So he goes to pick it up. and it's been so cold, he's tugging it, and it was frozen to the sidewalk. No way. Like that guy from Christmas story, bring that up. But it looked like it's tongue. That's what happened to the poor guys.

Bring that up real quick, because people forget it that that can happen. Oh, yeah. Oh, and let's get it, just to give us a descriptive visual, what kind of we're talking about it? And if you were weaners, I don't know if it's still, what kind of wean or side, because that's just a sidewalk wiener.

What kind of we're talking about? It's big. It was. It was big and it looked purple. Ooh. Yeah, it was a black guy and it almost looked purple. But he went to tug it

and because it froze he gave it a second tug and then like he didn't let go of it but it like went in the air and this thing came out I don't know if it was urethrow, I don't know what the fuck it was. I compared later to like a balloon streamer

came like flying out the end. Oh, that's some party confetti, baby. And I just turned and dry heaved into the street. I've never. thrown up at the job. I've never done it. I dry heaved into the street and I was like what the fuck and some young patrolman who was there and this is all on video he's in his uniform and he does this little kicky uncomfortable dance because he's like oh my god that was horrific. Oh he couldn't handle like that? No exactly and then later I pulled the video from the street we're like how did this get there

how did this guy get back to the house he had cut it off several hours before in the house walked down the street and he's completely naked nobody called police this is the best part this people going to work it's like three or four in the morning busy busy street driving down the street he's completely naked what no one called 911 and he's walking down the street and I have a video of it he leans it's he'd cut it but it wasn't off altogether oh so he leans down bro that's that whoa tugs it and then threw it on the sidewalk no oh so wait tell me that part again he what so he so I'm watching this video so he leans tell me that part again so I'm watching the video and try to find him like what time this happened and

you just see this form it's dark and he's completely naked walking down the street and all of a sudden he leans over i'm like what's he doing and he's in the direction it's kind of from the side direction of his crotch you see his heart move like a tug and then he just fucking threw it and i i remember when i pulled the video i didn't know this had happened i watched it and i pushed my chair back from the desk and screamed i was like what the fuck the worst but is he came so if you could believe something's worse he came back about a half an hour later he walked like a mile They said that's what saved him, why he didn't bleed to death. It was so cold, it coagulated the blood.

So he didn't bleed to death. He came back, and he's walking down the street. And as he sees it, he walks over to it and gets down on all fours and leaned over and kissed it. And then got up and walked away. I thought he was going to eat it like a dog bone, honest to God. I was like, what is happening? What is happening? He bent down, gave it a smooch, and got up and walked home.

Oh, God. It was fucking crazy. Oh, my God. The poor bastard Let me tell Because I gotta go through a couple beats To that story And dear God

Let me just say that out loud So God knows that we're just Alarmed by this First of all The fact that he cut it And it was just hanging there He didn't do the job Just like a piece of Memphis

Mistletoe just hanging there That's so wild Yeah it was nuts Like mistletoe at a ditty party Or something dude And then he tugged it off I can't even imagine Because you've read like a little hanging

When you pull it off Kills And this is There's a lot of nerve endings down there. Oh, that's the ultimate hang nail. That's the most hangy. That should be the name of my chapter, not dick on the sidewalk, the ultimate hangnail.

That's the most hangiest nail that there is. When you said that, it got so visceral, I think, for me. And I'm sure for anybody listens. Most men get the same reaction when you tell them. And then I wonder what flew out of it. Pull that up on perplexity. Because I'm thinking that's just a little. You know what it looked like in the photo?

And when I saw it come out, you know what like sausage casing looks like before there's a sausage It's almost like skinny, opaque kind of, almost, I don't know how else to describe it. It's like kind of gray and translucent. It was like a little small than my pinky, and this thing just flew out. I just could not even, I, I, yeah, that's just a little weaner funfetti, homie. Let's look at a, no, give me a gander at it, man. I'm trying to get a gander.

You just look at the, but let's look at the parts here because it's, it's fascinating to know what is that. Yeah, I don't know what the fuck it was. That's a vagina. Oh, no, that's a weiner. Sorry. These days you can't tell. The other day, my buddy showed me a picture of his naked wife. She has a winger.

And I was like, all right. Well, that's a surprise. Yeah, maybe it's an erythra. Yes, because the erythral opening goes down to the end. That's what it was. God, boy. Yeah, it was dicing. I remember when we got the call and I remember standing over it thinking, like, where did I go wrong in my fucking life?

That it's 7.45 in the morning and I'm looking at someone's dick on the goddamn sidewalk. You know? I was like, where did I? do what did i do to deserve this it's a question as old as time you know it really is poor bastard i think a lot of women have asked themselves things like that overall you know and in hindsight what how does that even follow up do you guys keep that in evidence or no they tried to reattach it at the hospital so they rushed him to the hospital with it and they did attach it but it didn't take it was like a month later they had to like take it off yeah imagine that month oh my so i it's

funny because of the group home we were trying to find out what is this kid's story what's his name because the other kid in the house was not with it at all couldn't even he was just sitting there playing video games of course it's like a blood bath so we're like it's hard to get the kids off the games right so but these guys they're like 20 so i call the um the supervisor the group home and i was trying to get some information he's like oh him we're trying to find him an in-house in um a placement in a hospital or a psych ward because he's you know he's been exposing his peanuts it's in group classes or whatever, in group meetings. And I said, well, you're late.

You're a little late because he cut it off and threw on the side of the guy's like, what? Like, you could tell he shit himself because that's his, how someone's supposed to be supervising. Yes, obviously somebody's supposed to be there. Someone failed. Making sure at the very least someone's not lopping off their own wiener. And I just can't, but I can't even imagine the month wait

to know if it's going to take or not, you know? I don't think he cared. But still just as, I think. He was obviously crazy. I know that's not the technical. But you don't think he cared why? I mean, he cut off to begin with. He said he was letting the devil out.

Like, he's just extremely mentally ill, and I don't think he even... Kind of. I mean, I think there's a part of a lot of people that think the devil lives inside of their genitalia for some people. Yeah, and like I said, he cut his, he cut his nipples off. He, like, carved something in his forehead. Like, this poor kid was really messed up. It's heartbreaking that people go through so much. And I just...

But I can't imagine that month where you're waiting to see, right? Like, the bandages on... I can't imagine doing it. Like, how do you sit there while? and saw it off and he did it. Did he use a saw now? Let's ask. No, it's just a big long kitchen knife.

But you know it was it was dull as dishwater. It was in some shitty group home. It's not some nice Henkel's knife. You know what I mean? I'm sure. Well, it's not like hands those scissors. It was like some plastic handled shitty kitchen knife. It was like this long.

You got to see the knife? Yeah, we were up in the apartment. Was it a basically knife you get like if you made your kids dinner, you give them a knife or your husband dinner? No, not a steak knife like a little bit longer. Like you could come in your knife block for like carving or whatever. I don't remember that. I don't think it was serrated.

I hope it was. I hope it was. Otherwise. Serrated might be more jagged. But I think you would get it done pretty quicker. I don't know if we can. I mean, the more we talk about this. God only knows how long he was working at it because the bed, the whole bedroom. So the kid I was working with, thank God he had been in the crime scene unit.

So he would go into scenes all the time. Like, he put on Tybeck suit to go in because there's so much blood. Oh, we go stepping through it. Oh, the wiener holds a lot, baby. That's the Lord Spiggett. The Lord of Lutz that day. God, boy, you definitely. God.

And who was the other kid? Just some honky sitting there playing double dragon or something? It's like a grown man with us likes crossed. So you know that's weird, the crisscross applesauce. Yeah. And he's sitting there like trying to, we were talking like, hey, do you know what happened? He's just like trying to look past us like because we're in the way of his game.

They're like, all right, this guy ain't this guy's not going to help. What game was it? Do you remember it on? I don't know. I was concentrating on other shit. Wow. Yeah, he's literally just trying to look around us. I bet it was one player.

They didn't have a lot of two-player games at that time. Wow. Oh, my God. But the worst, imagine you're waiting. They wrap your wiener. They do the repackaging. And I bet at that point it's almost like the mass singer. You're just waiting.

They take it off. And you're seeing like, okay, is this? What do we have here? Yeah. What's the result? Yeah. Do we have a Shaquille O'Neal here? Do you have a mugsy bogs here, you know?

I think you're just waiting to see. What you're going to end up with. Oh, that must have been horrible. The big reveal, you know? And they're like, move. that bus and then the bus takes off and your and your cock doesn't work dude that's the freaking worst god

I hate that that was a day I hate that oh that's harrowing yeah that was one that's harrowing and it's cold was it so cold outside was it hard to stand outside was it that cold uh we went outside that long once we took the photos

and when the EMT came down and collected it, there wasn't else much to do at that scene. So then we went up to the house and it wasn't cold in there. We were outside from maybe an hour, 45 minutes, I don't even remember. Because that the- It wasn't like 20 below. Right, but it was chilly, right? Yeah, it was cold. But the part for me, I think there would be the wildest is say you are, you know, you're so cold, you run out there, you're looking at the cock and then it gets too cold, you got to run back into your car and warm up. No, there was no running back and to get warm up. And you're like, you're like, you're like, all right, let's meet out there again in 30 seconds. Like, you know what I'm

sound like you're having to battle the cold so much. No, not at that case. You're like, oh, yes, yes, dude. It's a black, and you have to go sit back in your car. Like, that's the part that we get, you know, having to build up the, just to stay warm out there. God. That's insane, dude. Yeah, it was fucking crazy.

And it is. And that's the kind of shit. It's like, you know, you're sitting there and then you're watching your kiddo blow out some birthday candles or something. You go from that to something else. That was a day. Yeah. We went off for drinks after work that day.

Oh, yeah. You're like, we're going off. tonight. Yeah, I'm black and tan, huh? That's what I'm saying, dude.

I love some Johnny walk out. Yeah. There was another story to pivot. I know that you had mentioned whenever our

producer Nick had reached out to you. And thank you so much for coming. Of course. I want to say thank you so much. You look lovely today

too. It's a really great outfit. Who chose that? You did? I did. Yeah. You did a great job. Thank you.

There was a story you talked about finding of someone and left a child? Someone put a baby in a trash can. And I preface this right away by saying the baby lived, the baby was fine. Okay.

But that call came in for patrolmen. There was like a senior housing on our district. And there was a gentleman who lived there, an elderly man, and he had someone who used to come and clean his house for him. And he called 911 because he said someone just had a baby in his house and then left with it in a bag and it was crying. So the patrolman goes to the call, and he goes up and talks to him. The apartment is pristine.

There's no sign of a baby being born. He said she was in the bathroom. He's like, it's nothing happened here. Nobody had a baby in here. So he called, the officer called an ambulance for a psyche valve, saying, is this guy, the old man, something's wrong? Or he may be his dementia. I just wanted to check on and make sure he's okay. So as the ambulance is pulling up, again, I have this on video.

that's how I remember the sequence, the ambulance pulls up and pulls in the there was like a horseshoe driveway and they pull in the driveway and just as they're doing that a girl is walking down the street maybe 50, 60 feet away, maybe a little more from the apartment and it's a very busy street in Dorchester's, it's Dorchester Ave and she's walking on the street and there's a brought on a trash can in the street and she walks by and she hears something. She thought it was like someone put puppies or something in the trash, you hear something crying. She sees the ambulance, goes running over and waves them down and says, I think there's a baby or something in the trash can. Wow. So the EMT comes walking down the street.

You can tell he thinks she's full of shit. By the way, he's walking. There's no urgency. Everybody in this neighborhood is full of shit. There's no urgency to his gate. He's just like, okay, because they get inundated with calls. They are buried all day long. He's like, all right, we're here for this. But okay, he goes walking over and he goes in. The typical haunted trash can in Dorchester. He goes in and you can see his reaction. He picks it out and then it's crazy activity. He puts it on the,

it could see, this was all in the video, but you can't see exactly what you could see insane movement. All of a sudden he's on the air. And at the same time, the officer was up in the house, said like, what's the ETA in my ambulance?

He never showed up. And at the same time, the girl had called 911 and said, there's a baby crying and a trash can. So this is all kind of happening at once. So then we all go flying up there when they're like, yeah, there's a baby. We don't have a mother.

We don't know what's going on. The woman, I spoke to the gentleman in the house. He said it was his cleaning woman. He had a different name for her that wasn't her real name. Because we're trying to track her down. Like, is she bleeding out somewhere? Is she hurt? Does she need help?

It's like, what is the story? Yeah, she just had a child maybe. So he said she was in the bathroom for a couple hours. He thought she had stomach problems. And then she asked him, do you have a pair of scissors? And then she asked him for a bag. And then, because I interviewed him, me and my partner, and he walks, he said she walked out of the bathroom and she had like a big tote bag with her, like her purse. And the baby was in the bag and he could hear her crying.

He's like, what's that? Is that a baby crying? She's like, oh, this is nothing. Yeah, I just thought of a crazy door. Or whatever. So, that's crazy. Then on the video, you can see her walking down the street and there's people coming toward her. And there's a gentleman passing her just as she gets to the trash can.

She waits for him. And as he goes past, she looks around, pulls it out, goes right, right in the trash. trash can. So turns out she had gone in there had the baby. She was at a 30. She wasn't a kid. And she wasn't not mentally ill. She just didn't plan on keeping the baby. She

had the baby. How alone I do not know. And then clean the bathroom. That's why it was so pristine. When people think of women, like that's the power I mean, women, it's just like... How she did that, I do not know. She sat in the tub and had a baby with no help.

women are powerful man and then to clean up the bathroom but she also is a cleaning lady I can understand you know that's why it was so nice yeah when the crime lab I guess has to hide her I guess so yeah is did you determine that she's mentally unwell

no she was fine she just didn't want the baby but we don't know any of this at the time so all we have is a phone number she signed in on like the log at the senior housing and she put a phone number down and one of the patrolmen working at the scenes they blocked off the street they were like helicopters overhead this was like news it was on the news and one of the officers who was blocking the street the traffic we all get the phone number

and he starts looking through reports because he's sitting there blocking the street he starts looking through reports because we don't have the right name that guy gave us the wrong name like the wrong age he said she's a girl she was in her 30s so him she was a girl because he's in his 80s a pervert too so i'm not judging i don't know him he said she's a good looking girl so maybe you're right. The officer, the patrolman starts looking through reports and finds a phone number attached to a different name. So then we start looking for, we find the driver's lights. This, again, all took like over an hour because there's a lot going on and headquarters is calling and everybody's like, this is huge, you know. So this kid finds the woman's real name

and phone number, and they start pinging the phone. So it turned out after she put the baby in the can, walked down the street and got on the trolley, took the tea, back to to Matapan or the train station and then got on a train or a bus and went to her house of Milton so we knew what her address was while she's in transit we're following the following the ping

and she's like moving through the city and then my supervisor and a couple of detectives at least one met her at the house with an ambulance so like this lady we don't know what's going on with her so they met her at the house and said like hey you've got to go to the hospital are you okay like what's going on

they went in the house she had like rented a small in law or something in the house they said there were no baby item It was a full-term baby. There was no crib. There was no diapers. It was nothing. So she did not plan on keeping this baby.

She had no intentions of doing that. Obviously, she didn't have a single thing in the house. But they took her to the hospital. She was fine. They kept her in the hospital for a few days. But, I mean, she literally tied the bag in a knot. Like, she tried to kill the baby. Oh.

And that girl walking by saved it, because it was cold that day. She saved that baby. That's unbelievable. It might never have been found. Like, the city comes in. and dump-s those trash cans. That baby's gone. The odds that the girl haven't been walking by and hear it?

Yeah. And do they re-partner that child and that mother? Well, I think she tried to kill it, so I don't know. The homicide unit came and took the case why I don't know, because, you know, the baby lived. But it's obviously a biggie, so they end up taking it. It took four, like four years to go through court. It was during COVID. I remember people wearing masks when it was on the news.

but it took like four years to wind its way through court no jail time I'm like that's attempted murder she tried to kill that baby there's nothing wrong with her she wasn't scared 16 year old you know what I mean she was just her defense attorney tried to say that it was cultural and I'm like do people throw babies and trash cans in her culture what the fuck kind of black or Asian Mexican

she was she was Haitian she's from Haiti like that's not cultural oh shit there she is mother allegedly abandoned newborn and trash been in Dorotia's charged with attempted murder. Yep, that's her. She didn't serve any time. No way. She got probation.

Yeah, none of them. We weren't very happy with that. Well, yeah, because you're just like the psychology of that person that's out in the world. How could they value life? Yeah, she doesn't. At least not that life. Yeah, and how could you probably value one of the most precious lives? Unless that maybe there was some, I wonder if there was an extreme circumstance of how she had that child.

We weren't told. We were in communication with the DA. Like, they never told us. other than it being cultural. Well, like, what the fuck culture is that? That's not a culture anywhere. Yeah. Well, the media likes to make it easy.

Yeah. But I think it took so long because core cases were just dragging on because, you know, nobody worked during COVID except us or whatever. I think, like, everyone just gets tired of it and wants to go away. I don't know. Crazy. Yeah. I mean, stuff like that's harrowing, you know?

I don't know how you can, I don't think there's a way to shed that skin. If you're a police officer or a detective, even though it may seem superficial, like in some ways you could just move on and finish your day, there's got to be a part of you inside of you that stores a lot of that uncomfort and, like, an illness. It's got to be. You kind of, I'd say you learn how to deal with it. I dealt with things better years on my job than I did when I was new, you know, stuff that used to upset me. You have to. It's your brain safety mechanism so you don't lose your goddamn mind. You know what I mean?

You learn how to. that's why cops laugh at murder scenes like it's it's it's it's it's it's tension release we're not laughing at a murder scene like people are trying to talk and say okay a lot it's everything's normal here you know what i mean like yeah when brad white was in he was saying his brain's on the street and you're like so you know what are you going to get for lunch late like we have to do something to distract distract your brain and you get better at it yeah that's uh this this officer that we had in um who came in was talking about he worked in los angeles and he talked about this one story where he had a mother he called her son was going to commit suicide she was worried and and he gets

there and the mother comes out to greet him tell him what's going on my son's inside while they're outside talking the son kind of steps into the doorway behind a screen door kind of and takes his own life with a shotgun oh shit shotgun's messy man so then there's now he's standing out here with the mother so we has to console the mother at the same time and now go approach this situation right So you have to do many, like, you're like, oh shit. I just saw someone blow their head off with the shotgun and the mother's screaming and on the ground, I'm sure. But yet it's still, like, not a crime scene, but it's an active situation.

It's an active scene. You have to lock it down and there's a lot. There's a lot. They're chaotic, you know, and especially if you're alone, it's only one or two, and there's a lot going on. They're very chaotic. Yeah, I can't even imagine how things go from seeming real and normal to absolutely surreal, like in a moment, almost like you're in a moment, almost like you're in a

movie or a video game. I remember he said he had to push the door wouldn't open all the way because the body was right there. The body's too heavy. Yeah, you have to push him out of the way. So he's pushing this and then he steps inside and part of the brain matter had hit the ceiling and it fell down the back of his shirt. Oh, I think this was a Vegas guy. This was the Vegas

sergeant. I think I saw that on your podcast. Well, I think Brad, he may have done, he may have been in Vegas for a bit. He may have been in L.A. I believe but he, but he, but just. It's gross. Like I've stepped in that. Like, how do you, like you said, how do you? Really? Oh, no, it wasn't him. That was Chris Curtis.

Yeah. This other guy was Brad White. But just fascinating, fascinating stories. But just here, like, I don't think nobody else goes to work and has this horror movie that can happen once in a while. Yeah. Please, EMTs, fire. That's kind of it. Yeah.

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They do? What's that whole relationship like? Like break it down for me what that's like. Well, it, you know, obviously things are very politically charged right now, more so than they've been in the past, I think, in my experience. So it depends on if your mayor is supportive or not. Historically, I mean, I had several mayors on in 31 years as a police officer, and some are more supportive than others.

And some DAs get elected that are just like, oh, we're not going to make vandalism no longer a crime, larcenies no longer a crime, shoplifting's no longer a crime. Well, the people in the stores are still calling us when someone's stealing $10,000 worth of shit, but the DA's like, not prosecuting. So now that's why shit's locked up in all these stores. It's the DAs that we're like,

you know, whether it's Cesaros, DAs, or whoever the fuck they are that got elected, that are soft around crime or whatever. That's your job as a district attorney to prosecute crimes. And those are state laws on the book. So if those laws are still on the books, then why aren't you prosecuting it? So that's why shit is

locked up in CVS, because people can indiscriminately steal all over the country. They did not get prosecuted. We had one guy. He was him and his brother doing it. They were like two-man wrecking team. Every CVS and Walmart, Walgreens, we added up just like one kid in one month. It was like $30,000 worth the shit he stole. Now, how is Target or CVS recouping that? They're not. That's gone, but the DA is under who doesn't care. So if you have a, like right now, there's, you know, There's a good DA in Boston, I think, and he's doing more to make, you know, working with the officers as a team. Like, we're on the same team here. We're just trying to prosecute criminals and help victims.

And if, you know, the DA is not supportive of that, like, what about all those victims whose houses are getting broken into or their property's vandalized? Yeah. And the DA is like, yeah, we're not going to prosecute that crime anymore. What about the people who shit's getting stolen and ruined or whatever? Like, don't you care about them? Right. And don't you care about how they feel then of. about their city and about their country.

And then you guys are the ones that have to deal with it on the street level. Oh, everyone hates us. They take it out on you, but still, if someone hates the mayor, they take it out on the police. You know what I'm saying? It's like, and you guys kind of can't probably speak up on it sometimes because you're in a position where you're working under that regime. Yeah. Yeah, I think about that about the border too sometimes with like, you know, people illegally coming across the border. And then people can have whatever thoughts they want about people coming over, right?

I think everybody needs to be legally documented that's here, however, they figure that out. But the people that matter most, whose opinion matters most to me are the people who live, right? What about the guy right there? What about in the border town? Who's trying to put his kids to sleep at night and they want to be able to feel safe that just because they bought a house somewhere. That there's not people running through their neighborhoods. Whether those people have good intentions are bad, but just with the fear. It should happen. The fear that it puts in their families.

Yes, exactly. It's all quality of life stuff. It's all quality of life issues, and they don't seem to get that because it doesn't bother them. If they're living in some, you know, multi-million dollar house somewhere or a nicer part of the city or state, it's not happening around them. Like you said, the people in the border towns, they don't have a choice. Yeah, especially if there's, and if you, what about the guy who's worked at CVS for 20 years and he loves it, right? And he loves seeing people come in and he loves like, that's something he knows some of the older people. He's watched them get older and come in and get their medicine.

He's watched one of them lose their spouse over the years, and now they come in alone. But he's like a smile in their life once in a while when they come in. And now he has to be a deterrent to crime. Yeah, they come in with trash bags. Yeah. Oh, it's unbelievable. And literally just clear the shop.

They go and sell all their stolen shit at, like, the smaller bodegas and convenience stores. So when they steal all the detergent and, you know, all that out, they steal, and baby formula, that's been locked up for years. They go and sell it someplace else. And the bodegas is buying it off them. They know it's stolen shit. So they're a fault, too.

Yeah. But like, like you said, the employee, what about him? Like, he doesn't want to do that when he goes to work. No. And then he has to- He's not a cop. He doesn't want to do that. He's not a cop.

Yeah, he doesn't want to chase people. Yeah, that's the thing. They've made it so that almost every person has to feel like a cop. And then also that every person, that there's not a lot of support out there. Who, and that's a sick thing. And our government does that from the top down. And I believe that there is a reason they do that. They want to erode a sense of community.

And they want to erode. a sense of normalcy, and they're doing it. Yeah. You know? Who's the mayor that they have now over there that's been supportive? Do you feel like, Kara? We haven't had a supportive mayor. That's the DA, Kevin Hayden.

He's supportive. Our mayor, I don't. Hey, hey, boy, out of Newton, huh? What's Newton like? Is it good over there? Newton's a very, very nice city outside. It's a different city than Boston. That ain't Newton over there.

I definitely caught some. Newton's high end. Newton is? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's big money to live in Newton. Fig Newton, they call it on.

It was big money to live there. Oh, God, look at that. A bunch of people probably have. Yeah, he's from there. I think he lives in the city now. He's Suffolk County. He's not attached to the city. He's Suffolk.

But our prior DA was atrocious. I bet every kid over there has a signed Tom Brady football, huh? That's that kind of place. Well, he lived in Chestnut Hill, which is part of Brookline and Newton. It's like all sandwiched right in that neighborhood there. He lived in Chestnut Hill. Yeah, I bet all those kids have that, dude. Yeah, how was the DA support been over there?

So this is a district attorney now? Yeah, he's good. Was he during your term? He was there when I retired, yeah. He was appointed by Charlie Baker, proceeded by Rachel Rollins. Yeah, thumbs down on her. Oh, she was another district attorney? Yeah.

And now, so she... She became a U.S. attorney under Biden, and then she was, I believe, fired from U.S. attorney with some ethics violation or some such. Oh, Biden would hire anybody who's asleep. You fucking dude. He was fucking, he would hire Fred Flintstone to fucking sing him to bed at night. I thought she was a good fit. Oh, I'm sorry, she resigned before she was, she was canned. Richard Wallens was not formally fired, but resigned from a position in May 2023 following multiple ethics investigations.

And yeah, and I don't know exactly what happened here, but what, what's it like from one DA to it? Like, how can a DA affect? Well, she's the one that decided when we're going to prosecute larcenies, shoplifting, vandalism, the mind. her crimes and she used to say those aren't right those aren't i forget which what verbiage was used it was like they're not like not victimless crime but they're trying to say that no they're not even if it's cvs or target a big corporation they're still losing millions of dollars it's totally victim it was her she she she was one of the ones that was not supportive and do you think it's a d in that space do you think she's making her own choices or do you think that's coming down

from a higher do you allegedly do you think it's coming to because it just seems crazy to say we're not prosecute crime. How do you do that? It's a state law. How do you decide what you're... During her campaign, Rollins pleds to decriminalize certain offenses such as shoplifting drug possession. Yeah. Wanton. Oh, wanton or malicious destruction. Wanton. Yeah. Or property. Drug possession was intended to distribute. What? Yeah, it's crazy. That's why mass and cast. You've heard of the part of Boston. I don't know if you've heard of the part of Boston called mass and cast. It is a disaster down there. This drug addicts everywhere. They're all over the streets. They're destroying property. there's needles all over the city in the south end in that area.

It's kind of, it was focused there, and now they tried to kind of break it up the last few years because it was insane, and now they've pushed it out. Yeah, there was 10 cities down there. Look at this, shit. Yeah, and look, and some people say this is just a bill. They have safe shoot-up zones there. They're letting them shoot up heroin to per se in safe places.

Oh, yeah. So now the needles are all over the south end, and the poor people in the south end, they pay a lot of money to live there. These are beautiful brownstones And now there's people Shitting in their front yards Throwing needles everywhere

Break it Say one guy was breaking into a house While people was under construction The second floor This was just a few weeks ago And there's a guy's family's there With his kids And they had like an old key or something

And they were breaking in and going to like Shit in the floor On the second floor that was under construction He went up and there's like a pile of human shit In his house he's like what's going on They put up cameras The guy was going in and out every night To like sleep on the floor

in this house under construction and then shit on the floor. It's like the emoji or whatever. Yeah, like what is wrong with you? What? So that part of the city, I feel bad for people who live down there. That's Atkinson Street. Yeah, that's where is it? It's Atkinson Street.

It's near the jail. Yeah. Well, and look, and a lot of people say this is just a Bill's tailgate or something over here. I'm not saying that. Some people say this is a Pinto tailgate. I'm not saying that. What we're saying is that this is a lot of drug use that's happening over there in in this town in Boston.

Yeah. But here's another thing, though. They have this everywhere now. Oh, it's everywhere. Every city has this. Every democratically run city, I think. Yeah. I could be run.

Well, we don't have one here. I know that. I hope not anyway. I don't know. Austin got ruined. Austin was a blast. And I took my daughter there several years. I'd been there 10 years ago and I was like, this is a coolest place.

Reminds me a hero a little bit like six-ass, six-stree where all the bars used to be. And then I went back a few years later because my daughter's way into music. I wanted to take her. and she was afraid to get out of the car which there were homeless people sleeping and hammocks strung from street signs in the street and it was just rampant before they like if you were homeless you got arrested there

which isn't the best thing but you've got to do something they're like throwing bricks through all the windows that have been there a long time Austin got ruined Seattle's a shithole Portland yeah Portland is I don't have to sneeze but Portland is a shithole but also it's awesome I will say this yeah I was up there

when I do landscape photography as a hobby or used to And I went up to Oregon in Washington, and I love, it's a coolest place. Like, it's such a cool vibe, you know, and it's just get ruined. That element that's out there, it's like, why are we at, it's like, I don't know their end game. Like, what is the point of ruining all these cities? I think they want it to just, they want us to deteriorate. They want us to have no sense of purpose, right? They want us to, like, not have any pride in the places where we are because they've been so riddled.

They get people, you know, the opioid epidemic was put on. American was allowed to occur right they want this like that when I was young no they want this to happen yeah it is a there is no doubt to me that this is an organized agenda yeah I don't get it but I believe that people can fight back and I believe that I think it started a little bit I think so and I hope so and also it gives you a sense of purpose in the world it's like you're here to defeat evil you know and we are all can be a part of that and I think it's something that makes us feel that way let's pivot a little you ended up in the Oh, quick question.

Did you ever see Irish Mickey Ward? Did you ever run across him when you were running around over there? Did you ever hear about him or anything? Oh, yeah, his boxer. Yeah. Yeah, I never ran across him. That's cool. Yeah.

Yeah, I was just watching The Fighter the other day. That's about him, right? About him, yeah. Wasn't he in it? Didn't he play the coach or something? No. I thought they gave him a part. He was in it at the end.

Okay. Christian Bale. Mark Wahl. That's when he got all skinny for it. Yeah. Such a great movie. And all the sisters and stuff, they did such a great. great job in that film.

I got to go to watch Laney Wilson last night. Oh, that's right, the concert. How was it? Yeah. I should have got y'all tickets. I didn't even know we're here. Oh, no. Goodness. That's okay. It was so great. It was so great. Jellyroll was Zaire. So I got to see him. Ella Langley, I got to meet her. She has a beautiful voice. It was just great. It was like a special time. Nice.

Yeah. And Laney's just a boss. She's just turned into like a... Some people start to step into whatever gift they were given in the world. And some people kind of meander around the outside of it, I think. And no way is like a Vic is better than the other really. I think it's all by person. But she has just really embraced this role of just being like this onstage presence. Yeah. It was really powerful to watch.

She does a great job. Pivoting, anyway, you ended up in the human trafficking unit. Is that the safe term or how does that work? Yeah, so I was in a district detective at Dorchester and then I went for several years, like five years or so, to the human trafficking unit and then I went back to Dorchester. But yes, I had a five-year stint to the human trafficking as a detective. So what is your definition of human trafficking? Let's just get that clear because you hear so much, right?

Like a few years ago you would hear this social kickball that was big. This was big four years ago and everybody notices it's gone now, right? Notice how the kickballs fly. Yeah. It's like, oh, that's the big thing. Everybody's commenting on it online. and now it's gone, right? It's really out of the zeitgeist.

I know there's still things happening, but notice how that happens, right? And everybody's like, you'd see memes online. It's like, tonight while you sleep, one and a half million children will be taken on trains across America being human traffic. And you're like, what in the shit, dude?

So what did you really see? What were you expecting when you got into that space? So I didn't know, like everybody else, I didn't really know what that meant. I just, you know, I knew someone asked me if I wanted to join the unit. And, you know, I didn't know a lot about it. I thought it was just like the movies, like, you know, people being statched off the street

and forced into, to be prostitutes. In my experience, at least when I did it, that was not the case. So I guess human trafficking is like when someone's traffic for the purpose to sell sex, right, against their will, through, you know, coercion or force or threats or whatever. But when I got there, a lot of the cases we had, it's funny, there were just several pimps that kind of ran the city that were involved. You always came back to the same like six or seven guys who always had all these different women working for them. And it was always girls, not always, I shouldn't say that. Mostly it was girls from the neighborhood or just outside the city,

like the suburbs or whatever. And something in their life like was fucked up, whether it was, you know, a parent situation where they had one parent or they'd been like sexually abused as kids themselves or there was like a DCF, which is Department of Children and Families, like there were foster kids. It was always kind of something missing. It could just be, they weren't getting attention at home or they weren't happy. And the pimps, A lot of them could be very charming. And they would meet these girls. They'd just meet them in the street.

Go to the train station. They hang at the tea in Boston. Or one girl was a guy who said talking to him when she's walking down the street. And like, oh, you're pretty. You want to be in a music video? And she's like, she's like a teenage girl. Yeah, that'd be cool. And she went and like they shot the video.

And then like say, like, we have to finish the video. And then they like, make her go to another state and like, oh, we're going to take pictures of you and put you online. and you're going to, you know, have sex with these guys for money. They don't get any of the money. The pimps get all the money. So that was a situation where it was kind of, she was not willing. Like, that was kind of a quick one, like over a week or two. But a lot of them, they groom the girls for a long time.

Oh, you don't have any money? I'll give you some money. I'll take you to get your nails done, honey. I had one guy, I literally had text messages for like a month's worth, and you could see him grooming her. She worked in a store. I think her dad, her mother was his head was deceased. her dad now wanted to be a woman and it was like fucking with her head and he like changed his

name to susan or something and she met this guy working in a store and he was like he's like oh you're working today honey i'll bring you a tuna sandwich and i don't want you hungry and it was you could see it was like you know just progression of a relationship and like a month later she was like oh that's my boyfriend a lot of things this pimps their boyfriend and like a month later you can see the messages he's like all right we have seven guys coming in and um you know you're going to do well, seven of them at a party. There's like a bachelor party or some shit. And then she's like, can I keep, you know,

a hundred bucks for the piggy bank? And he's like, no, it's all mine. It was like $1,000. So it's like they see something missing in their lives and they just manipulate them or they're like, they're a little messed up to begin with. They're like, they're in a bad situation. They don't know how to get out of it.

They think these guys are boyfriend. You'll do this if you love me kind of shit. So that was a lot of the sex trafficking that you saw, huh? Yeah, that was in my experience, yes. There wasn't a lot of people being snatched off the street. Like no one's being shipped in. and a shipping container from Russia and all these girls getting, you know,

the nail salon, the spas are a little bit different, the Asian women, they were moving them around. Yeah, that's a lot more like the massage salons, yeah. But those were tough because the second we try to like go in and... They move. They're gone. They're gone to New York, New Jersey. Just pick up the pain.

They're gone. They don't know their names. There's like how many different dialects have... Can't pronounce the name. Chinese. And you're trying to get our Chinese officers, hey, can you translate this? and they're like, it's a different dialect.

Like, it was a disaster. So those were tough. Yeah, you don't even know. You're like, we're looking for a, so we did those. Yeah, that's crazy. That kind of shit's wild. And I don't like those kind of place.

I'll say that. I walk into one of those salons or whatever. I say, if anybody jerks me off, I'm jerking them off. That's what I tell them. No, homo. I'm just saying. But I'm, you know what I'm saying?

I put the pressure on everybody in the building. Just so everyone knows what you're going to do when you get in that. Don't even jerk me off. If somebody tries to even sneak up on me and jerk me off. Some of these girls were sleeping there. They would sleep on the beds at night when it closed. Yeah, they'd wake up and jerk y'all. That's a problem.

But one of them had, we went in one, there was sink. There were baby turtles in the sink, fill the water swimming around. I'm like, what the fuck is it? They like the animalia in there. They love aqua animals, a lot of aquarium. I don't know if they were going to make soup out of them. I don't know what the hell they were doing. That's true.

I don't know what they were doing with those things. We're like, what the fuck? I don't know, you know. And we also did part of human trafficking and we did what we called John Stings. We targeted the sex buyer rather than that's kind of a, it was a European model that they found to be more effective rather than you know cops used to arrest the prostitute well what about the guy paying for it of course yeah so then you target that angle of it like we're going to tell you if you don't have buyers then no one's going to be selling

it to try to do it kind of backwards that way so we would do what we call john stings and we put ads online backpage doesn't exist anymore but we put them on that it was craigslist first and then it was backpage i don't know how they're doing it now whether it's on insta or you know TikTok. I don't know where the hell they don't now. I've been out of the unit for about six years now. You know, parties and people would find people on back page and invite them over, you know, and like, they would hire strippers and stuff like that to come and dance or hang out. So it was definitely a place where people were kind of eliciting illegal activities. Oh, yeah, that was there. When you put an ad in, you could pay extra to bump it at the top.

So it was so prevalent when we were doing it. Like, we put an ad in the morning. Say I put my ad on. Like, three or four of us in the office would do fake ads. And you'd have to do like real photos because the guys who were doing it all the time. like we'll do reverse Google image search to find out, did this picture appear someplace else so they know if it's a fake photo because then maybe you're a cop or you're not going to look like who you're pretending you look like.

So we'd all put our ads up and then you put on at 830 your phone's ringing. It's crazy. 8.30 in the morning they're already starting to call and we'd set up our dates for the day like we'd have a hotel room and we'd be waiting in the hotel room and we'd have dates set up every half an hour

to show up. And will you hide under the bed? No, no, it's hiding under the bed. I would have to open the door and there'd be like guys like in the bathroom officers in the bathroom behind the wall so my trick was I was at like 45 46 when I was doing it and my ad I'm supposed to be 34 I didn't fucking look 34 but I'd open there I'd have like my hair oh you would be the girl I was a prostitute yeah what yeah what were y'all cutting so I'd have to talk to them on the phone were you all understaffed or something they just shouldn't have you also the detective well no you have to

have you're the one you're the one establishing probable cause so it it if someone else is doing it And then you have to, like, go testify in court. Well, you're not the one that had the interaction with them. So what we do, we put our out on the line. You'd put your photos and some stupid saying, like, you know, what you're offering and how much it costs. And, of course, it's acronyms for everything. That's what I didn't know anything about this before I started, about GFE, which is girlfriend experience, just means he'll kiss you. Full service means, like, sex and a blowjob.

And then there's, like, Russian and Greek. And there's all these stupid acronyms for everything else. And they thought they were being clever. by saying, oh, I want GFE, so they're not asking for sex. Oh, I see. So by them saying, I want GFE or I want Russian or I want this, they think they're being clever, except you can say, like, well, based on my training experience, I know Russian means titty job, like, or whatever.

And then so you talk, they call you on the phone. A titty job. Yeah, that's a Russian, by the way. I didn't know that. I'll take it. I mean, whatever they're, you know, I mean, it is. I'm sorry. Yeah, that's okay.

So you'd basically talk to them on the phone. They call you. And some of them are real nervous, obviously. You could tell the long time, or they've got right to business. And some of them want to flirt with you on the phone or whatever. Can you send pictures of your eyes or your feet? The foot fetish guys are out there big time. But, and then you're like, the more you do it, I don't have time for the shit.

Like, do you want to come, you were showing up or not? So you'd basically make the arrangement. So once they showed up, you already have probable cause. They already agreed to pay you for sex before they ever showed up. So then by them showing up at the hotel, they're like basically completing the entire, the elements of the crime. They showed up. They already agreed to pay you for such and such, so then you can arrest them.

Right when they get there, really? Yeah. But like, depending on where we do it, if we did it, like, nights or downtown parts of the high-end hotels would let us use their rooms. Oh, yeah. I would have to do anything in there. Every time we did it, we got a doctor. Every fucking time. The Brigham Hospital, one of the best hospitals in the world, allegedly, the Beth Israel.

One guy showed up in scrubs with, like, Beth Israel Hospital on it. Yeah. Like, what the fuck? You're on lunch break? It was crazy. We got a doctor every time. Why do you think? I don't know. Too busy.

Too busy to get a girlfriend? I don't know. I don't know. Or there, yeah, I wonder what that is. I don't know. It was, we always got, and when we did it in like the not so nice parts of town, then we'd get like, you know, the cable guys and the plasterers. And for some reason I always felt bad for them.

They didn't have any money. But it's the same crime. So I shouldn't have felt bad for them. They were just, you know, but I did. The rich guys, because they got very arrogant. when you tried to arrest them. They were all arrogant. We had one guy

was a Northeastern University professor and he was on the phone with me saying I'm a professor and he was trying to talk me down on my prices. I don't make a lot of money. That's what I would do. I would text and I was like, look how about this? $70.

I'm like, Jesus. And now I'm like, I was just like he was bargaining with me. I don't make a lot of money. Meanwhile, I made more money than me. Yeah. But I always laugh. He wanted me.

He's like, well, you, put me in yoga positions. That's what he wanted. These fucking freaks. I'm like, yeah, I got my lulus on. Come on over. Like, you just,

he wanted to be in yoga positions, me to put them in them and then aggressive kissing. And when you get some weird request or anything like that? Yeah. Like, look, anything pretty wild? Like, were they,

any like people want you to enjoy them and their wife? Like, join something like that? No, nothing. We never got those. We got a lot of, almost everybody was married. One of them we did.

We met him in a bar. He said, it was the end of the night. He was too nervous to come to hotel. He said, never done this before or whatever. So we agreed to meet him downstairs The hotel had a bar downstairs And I was just sitting there

And now again, I'm supposed to be 34 And even 10 years ago, I didn't look 34 I think you look great I don't fucking look 34 But thank you But so I'm sitting at the bar waiting And the signal is for like me to touch my hair And there's two cops down the end of the bar

And he comes in, I see him walk past He comes in and the bar is crowded I see this guy walk in and said that's him I knew it was him You could tell like his face was he wasn't like Hey I just got to a bar and he's all chilled He was like intense I'm scared.

Right past me and went to the men's room. I looked at them like, that's him. He's got his fucking burberry scarf on and his, you know, $400 jacket. Yeah. And he came over and approached me. A librarian son. He tapped me and, you know, said, oh, my name or whatever. And then when they came up to arrest him, he fainted.

We had so many guys faint or, like, flax on the bed. He went, his face, he was white as a ghost and he just went down. So the offices, like, drag him out to the vestibule of the bar. We're like, we got to call a guy in ambulance. But he's snapped to it. He's crying and shit. And he's like, oh, he's like 30 years old. And like, dude, he's like, oh, I'm so anxious all the time.

I'm trying to get my wife pregnant. I was like, you think you're going to get a pregnant by fucking a prostitute? Like, what is wrong with you? I mean, it's worth a shot. I'm not saying that, but I'm just saying. You go fuck a stranger. And they, none of them, nobody wants use a condom. That was bareback.

That was another coat. Oh, they were doing bareback. Yeah, that was a code. B, B, B, J's, bareback, blow you up. So they, they didn't want to. Oh, there you go. here you go bareback sex without condom and they'll ask you how much extra

like how much will you charge me for a bearback so none of them wanted to use a condom so they're all going home to their families after fucking some rando who's got to having sex with five people that day yeah like how many diseases not to mention what township is it in this Boston

yeah oh yeah so this guy's bringing in the oh I'm trying to get my wife pregnant what do you bring in home yeah bottom bitch that's the pimp's main main girl she's someone who runs it for him I see that in the terminology, yeah.

Let's see some more terms here. The end call, the escorts. That's only B, see? They go on forever. Huh. Yeah. And were people ever asked? So I'm trying to think of anything.

Were people ever asking for like golden showers, urination type of thing? I never had. I never got asked for those. One thing they asked you for the guy's like, will you do a handy? I mean, I was like, is that a quick hand job? Like I had no idea what the fuck it was. And my partner at the time is like Googling on the Urban Dictionary. Like, what's that?

It was some crazy thing about choking, and she's on top, and then you flip, and he's on. I was like, how the fuck do they come up with these names? Like, what does that even mean? That's all that, the solace shit people are doing now. Like, how is that a handy? Because I was like, is that, like, what is that? That's all that welterweight stuff, I think. I don't know what it is.

What about, was there a lot of stuff like people want you to touch the hole in their butt or anything? Like that? No, they never got that specific on the phone. But they would ask for anal. That was great. They were like, one of them, they're clever way. They're like, ooh, do you speak any languages? So then I'm supposed to say, yeah, I speak Greek and Russian.

That's what I mean they think they're clever. They have all these weird online forms where they talk about the prostitutes. They rate them. I forget with the page they used to rate them on. So that's why we had to change up our photos and use real stuff. Because these guys all talk to each other, the guys to do it all the time. Not the one-timers. The lifers.

Yes, or dabblers like yourself. Dabblers, yeah. In and out. In-and-out. Yeah, they talk to each other and rate the girls. It's crazy. life. And when would a night like that for you guys end? Like was there a certain point where

you guys like we shut it down? Yeah we kind of call it so like the calls would start coming in the morning and we'd like we'd have you know higher overtime to transport all because they'd be showing up sometimes they show up at the same time like oh shit they come into the same room so we try to stagger the dates dates and we just have them schedule the area hour every half hour whatever and after like eight or ten hours a boss

would call it. We always sit at Super Bowl weekend it was um Cook County in in Illinois did a big funding thing for it. They got money from the feds and they all kind of agreed to do it. So at certain times a year, Super Bowl is always when we did it. So we called it a night after like eight, after we arrested like 12, 14 people or whatever. She'd be like, all right, that's enough. So on Super Bowl weekend, you guys are, so. So on most Super Bowl weekends, you guys are doing that.

We were when we were in the human trafficking in it. Yeah. But it's, we got one guy. He was, I was talking to him on the phone. I'm like, this guy is so fucking old. Now, I'm laughing. I was very shy about it when I first started doing it. I don't know who the hell. I'm not oppressed, I don't talk to these people. So I'd be all anxious, like, hiding in the bathroom. So it's just eight cops in there. I don't want them listening to me like, yeah, you can stick in my ass for an extra 50. Like, I was embarrassed.

And then I got more comfortable, and they would just be laughing. Like, I'd just be like, yeah, this is what you want. Okay, and everybody's laughing. One guy, come on my forearms or whatever for 30 bucks, yeah. Sounded so old. And he's like, you got to, you know, yeah, you know, I'm an older gentleman. And I remember saying, that's all right, I'll take it easy on you. And then he shows up, he's like, shorter than me.

turns out he's like multi-millionaire philanthropist from Beacon Hill on the boards of like children's hospital and all this crazy he laughed he burst out laughing when he got arrested he was a tiny little guy with glasses he laughed everyone else shits himself or gets angry but he laughed he's the only one he didn't give shit he said yeah I'll pay the fine I don't I don't care just get my phone back we take all their phones and I remember I was doing a detail at Fenway Park and he was in contact he's like I paid my fine can I get my phone back because we take their phones as evidence we have to show the text messages or whatever

And if they plead, pay the fine or plead out, they get their property back because the case is done. But if they're fighting it, then we keep the evidence because we have to, you know, do a search warrant on the phone and all this stuff. He said, yeah, I paid my fine. He literally showed up at the red stuff. I'm like, I'm working in detail. Like, you can come and get it. So I was in uniform that day because normally I'm not in uniform. And he showed up and he's laughing in the car.

I'm like, here's your phone. I'm like, what's the matter with you? Like, why don't you got money? Go get a girlfriend. He's like, eh, it's not worth of trouble. I was all right, have a good day. He did not give a shit Wow

Yeah Gosh dude Did you ever Just like accidentally just hook up with one of them Like that ever happened? No No that didn't happen Like did one ever show up and you were like

Oh this guy's kind of cute I wish it wasn't like this No I never thought I wish it wasn't like this But some of them weren't you know That's what we say some of them are good looking You're like what's wrong with you Like you're a good looking we used to say like You're a good looking dude

You can get a girlfriend Some of them are like fucking rot task. Like you could see why they're paying for it. Like I said, the doctors don't have time. Maybe, I don't know. They don't want the commitment. But some of them would be good looking dude.

It's like, what's wrong with you? I think for some guys, they have a, their sexual experience, especially if it starts off with pornography a lot of times, it's really skewed. Well, that's an issue now. They don't know what's real life, you know. Right. But then it's, say, like, you know, if it starts off a pornography, it's very skewed, right? Because this is an environment that's kind of like, you can get exactly what you want out of

pornography. You put the terms in. You get what you want. And that's your intimacy. So that's how you build it, right? So then it almost makes, it doesn't, it's not right. It doesn't make anything right or anything like that. And some people will, you know, like prostitution is one of the oldest businesses in the universe, right?

It's always been there. But some people, they, the next, the closest way they can get somebody is almost just trying to create the same thing, but in real life, right? So like, I need to create the same thing where it's like I can kind of get what I would like. Yeah. These are my Google terms. These are the things that I like. And I'm going to pay for that. They don't want to waste time, maybe.

I don't know. Oh, I think some people for sure. It's time. It's like I don't want to have a big relationship. I just want to have some sex. I don't want to take someone out to dinner every, you know, twice a week and spend hundreds. And there's a lot of that that goes on.

And I don't look down upon any of it. I just think it's interesting that, you know, but yeah, the laws are the laws and those. And that's just what your experience was like with them. Yeah. So what I learned like, I, you know, it's like, hey, if a girl wants to do it, but in reality, I think 99% of the time, they're not making a dime. So they're doing it all, and the PIMS taking all the money.

So that's why I was like, well, that sucks. Like I had like one girl who was like, no, there's how much I make. And she does, what's something called Sissy Play? And I was like, guys who like not want to get hurt, but close to, not like say to masochism or whatever. But she made a lot of money. She's like, I make, you know, $500 an hour or whatever. That's weird, oh, gosh. You know, I mean, my partner would be like, we need a new job when we retire.

Like, what the hell? I know a dude like that. kept her own money, but literally out of everyone else I ever met, they didn't keep it. They had to hand it over. So guys think, when we tried to do it as like an education thing, we tell the guys when we rest them, like, we're not doing this to her because they're always like, don't tell my wife. Like everyone would panic. Say, look, we're just, it's kind of was supposedly at the time, like an education thing. We're trying to make you aware. These girls, you think you're doing something and you're paying for the service. They're giving you the service. They're

giving you the service. And everyone leaves happy. But the girls weren't getting the money. They were getting the shit kicked out of them half the time. That's heartbreaking. so oh yeah happy stuff i hate it telling people i worked there because it was like a conversation killer like you'd see people's shoulders just droop you're like oh you're like oh so you know nothing good there nothing good happening there well it's just interesting how perverse sexuality can get in the things that cause it in our world you know it's another thing why they even allow pornography to exist like um i don't know if we need it like as readily available as it is. We had a woman come on named Lila McElwhate, and she was telling us that a lot of

the pornography you see online, it's non-consensual, right? And so a lot of times you could have somebody basically masturbating or watching and enjoying a crime and they don't even know it. So just the whole circle of it all is kind of depraised. But then I have friends that do sex work and they work for themselves and they're masterful at it. Fair enough. If they're working for themselves and they want to do that and they're making the money. That is victimless. Yeah. And I think,

and people may have issues with people on both sides of the transaction probably have some issues. And may or may not. It could be different. But anyway, yeah, that would just be, but yeah,

some people are in a weird stuff. I had a buddy who would hire a woman just to tickle him until he shit himself. Oh, fuck. This is some weird shit out there. There's a lot of fetishes, man.

That's why I found out, I started putting my feet in the photos because I was like, I got to get the foot fetish guy. Yeah, yeah. Because people want them. Like, the guy wanted me to put him in yoga positions. How does that do it for you?

Yeah. It's bizarre. Like you said, the guy wanted to tickle till he got to chill his shit. Yeah. That's a really specific wish. Oh, if you tickle me. Like, how do you get there? Yeah.

How do you get there? Like, were you tickled as a kid? And we're like, oh, no, I'm going to shit myself. And then as adult, that's what does it for you? Probably, I don't know where you watch a funny movie and then you have to pee. Like, maybe, I don't know, I don't know how you start. I don't know how you get there. But yeah, if somebody tickled me to last shit, I would be upset.

Right? I think overall. I think most would. Did you ever feel like you had to be like a protector for these women? Or did a lot of them feel like they were in their own space and that's what they wanted and it's not something you can really help with? Like a lot of the women that were in sex work. It was a lot of, I felt like you're just banging a head off the wall going nowhere. You'd help somebody, you get them away from somebody.

You get them into it's like a safe home. Like there was a woman who ran a nonprofit, a place to put these people, get them some clothes. Like a lot of them, they'd steal their shoes and their IDs and their phones or whatever so they couldn't run away. So you find them a place to stay and, you know, get them target gift cards. They can go buy like a toothbrush and some soap. And then like the middle of the night, they jump out of the fucking window. So like you do, you're like getting called out of your house at 10 o'clock a night to go help somebody. And then they're like, oh, well, she's gone.

And so many of them ended that way. Or they just disappeared. They wouldn't testify against them. So the cases went nowhere. So it was a little frustrating. Yeah, I think it's people, you can't help people until they are ready for some help. Exactly. What about any, was there any gay, was there any gay pimps out there?

Was that kind of thing? I don't know. Or did a guy ever lie and say, like, when you busted him, like, say you set him up with a female prostitute, and he just like, he was like, I'm gay, I'm just joking, you know, happy Halloween or whatever, you know. No, they never tried that. I mean, the jigs up as soon as they show up. God. Most of them knew it.

They, like, fall on the bed. A couple of them cry. Like, really? Yeah. But no, no one ever tried to show the gay card. Be like, it wasn't me. Yeah. I'm just here for fun.

Yeah. I'm just, I was just joking. Just fucking with you. Yeah. You had a, you had an investigate, you had a three-year investigation that you worked on. Yeah, that was a human trafficking case that I did with someone from home and security investigations. Okay, and what was that? Like, take me through some of that story.

You had a three-year investigation. That actually started with the one I told to the girl, the music video. Okay. That's how it started. And we got a call to children's from Children's Hospital in Boston saying this girl there said she was raped in Rhode Island. She, I think she was 15 maybe, or 16. That's how that case started.

And then we found out, all she had was a nickname. It wasn't even a guy's real name. She had like his Facebook page and a nickname. Like smoky or something? Yeah. I don't want to say it. Okay. Sorry, never mind.

No, the guy, yeah. I was just guessing if it was smoky. No, it wasn't smoky. Okay. So she has a nickname and we kind of worked backwards from that. Like one of the Homeland Security agents drove the girl. She's like, oh, this, this, this, this, woman drove me to Rhode Island, but she wasn't involved, but she drove me. And this is where she lived. She lived in this neighborhood. That's where I had to meet her. So the Homeland Security

guys started driving around and we saw the car in the neighborhood and got the license plate. So then I start looking on my end, because he doesn't have access to Boston police reports. I started looking for the license plate and a car that matches her description because we don't know if it's exact. And I find a car, but it's a guy's name. But then I start looking for reports with someone for that last name. And then I found a woman with that last name and with her first name, because she told me the girls, she knew the woman's first name. All we had was a first name and a red car. So then I find the last name in the car registration, I find old reports with this woman with their first name, the same last name, and we're like, oh shit, that we

pull up the, you know, we did a photo raid, show the girl, and she's like, that's her. So then we start talking to her, and we end up going, it was like a spider web. So these two guys, there were two guys who pimped her out in Rhode Island, where she did get raped by some guy. The guy in Rhode Island, I got like seven years for the rape or something, because she did not go willingly. And those two guys worked for another pimp. And he had women all, I think he was in his late 20s, and he had, I think, like, 11 baby mamas and like 17 kids or 14 kids, something crazy. But he had like 27, 28 victims, girls that worked for him over a period of time, including a bottom bitch. She's like the girl that works for him who recruits girls and is basically

in charge of everything, collecting the money, whatever. She works herself too, usually, the bottom bitch. But that took like three years because we were like in Maine, New York. These girls went to New Jersey. They went to Vegas, California. They would drive. They would drive to Vegas and work and then drive back. But he had all these women working from him. He was very, very violent. Like he would beat the shit out of the girls. He would pee on them. Stole their shoes, their licenses, their cell phones, so they couldn't call home. Like I said,

some of these girls came from, like, messed up places. And it took, like, three years to get enough people to, because every time we found somebody, we found somebody else. Yeah. So that took a long time.

God. That was, that was, he was, I think he got like 33 years in jail, because that went federal because of all the different states. That was a biggie.

Well, thank you for that. Thank you for that work. Thanks. I liked going back to the district. I mean, I liked it at the time, the schedule work, but the district is great

people like the patrolmen. Because when you were in the human trafficking, there's no patrolmen. It's just detectives. So it's like four or five detectives and a supervisor. When you go back to the district, there's 100, 200 people there. So it's a lot more fun. Yeah, you're part of life. We laugh all day and stuff like that. So I was happy to go. I realize that kind of stuff. I go hang out with the football team around here

sometimes. And it's just like some of the best parts of my week because there's just people around. Yeah. It's like, otherwise my life is very much like kind of by myself, not by myself, but it's a limited amount, you know. Yeah, it got, it got old. And again, all the cases, most of them don't know where. So that's frustrating. And I just wanted to go, you know, back to the district with, and it's great people. They're the best people on earth. And you just had laugh all day, you know, like when it's real shitty, like the one with the guy, you know, two

women stabbed and the dog was stabbed in the stomach or whatever. Like those are, like, we work with really good people. You're all there together. Yeah. And you, and you won detective of the year for that, right? Yeah, for the federal message, for the three year. Yeah. Let's go. Kara, congratulations. It's funny, you know, Mark Wahlberg was at the ceremony for the Boston Police Foundation gave me the award. The detectives union did too, but the Boston Police Foundation did it. It's like a nonprofit.

And at the time, they were promoting the movie Patriots Day. And Peter Berg, the director of Mark Wahlberg, were there for the award ceremony, gave me a picture with them or whatever. You did? Yeah. That's cool. I'm going to have to. I will. Yeah, they were promoting that.

I'll text Mark and send him our picture. I don't know if he probably doesn't even know who I am, but. I think I accidentally snuck his number off of a sheet one time. Ovar Quaberg? Yeah. Yeah, because he's from Dorchester, where I was a detective. Oh, really? Yes.

Oh, and then I'll make sure to. That's where he and his brothers, the family's from. Not even in a bright way out of just be like, hey, this is awesome. I just want you to let you know, I met one of Dorchester's finest today right here. But congratulations. That's so cool. Thank you. Did that make you feel a sense of accomplishment?

Yeah, I mean, I worked hard. Again, it was with Homeland Security and a Homeland Security agent. She did a shit ton of work more than me. She was great. We worked together on an, like I said, it was a long. It was a long investigation, so I was very happy to have it resolved, you know. Yeah.

And the process of it, someone, the pimp who was in charge who thought the first two pimps that got caught with a girl in Rhode Island that I found through a nickname or whatever, they thought one of them was rat into the feds. So he had someone shoot one of them in the head. No. He lived, but not good. It was like a piece of pie was missing from his head. And he could sing, but he couldn't talk. He could no longer speak. And that's when I found out, they said in the brain, like, oh, it's different parts of the brain.

He could, like, sing the alphabet and happy birthday, but he couldn't speak. And he was not rat into it, the feds. He was nobody. He was like away in New Jersey with some girl. Not at that point. You're like, who did? And he's like, D-E-F-G? Yeah, I got, I was in court on something else.

And in one of the days was like, did you hear this guy got shot? And I was like, what's his name? I was like, oh, shit, that's what, look up for him. We have an arrest warrant for him. But that guy had him shot. Man, they get caught up in such doubt. of darkness, you know. Yeah. So that was, I was glad to be done with that one.

Is most of your social life with police officers and cops and stuff? It was. It was until I moved. Move where? I moved out of Boston. I moved to South Carolina. You did? Yes. No way. What part do you live in? Yeah, I lived yourself outside of Charleston. Dude, I used to go to college of Charleston for one semester. Nice.

Yeah, I used to live around King Street above a buddy's apartment for a while. King Street's the shit. It was pretty neat. It was a little bit different, but it was fun. and it's beautiful over there. It's gorgeous. And I don't want to be cold, so, and I'm not a Florida person. And your daughter lives over there? Yeah.

You guys got Folly Beach. That's right there. Yeah, IOP, I, Palm, Sullivan's Island. Yeah, but they, she lives north. We live north of, just north of Charleston. So, yeah, we moved there. So right before I moved, I forget where we're going with this.

What does I say? Is most of your social life with the other socials? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Until I moved, yes. And it's weird. Everyone's like, oh, you've got to have friends that aren't cops. So I have friends that I'm so friends with them high school that I've been friends with for 40 years. So I have a core group of girls, a few girls that I've known

since high school. But it's weird when you become a cop, like it's hard to talk to regular people. It's only because I always said I felt like a party trick if you're out in a large group and someone's like, oh, they're a cop. Do you got any stories? Do you ever shoot anybody? No, I didn't fucking shoot anybody. And if I did, it was a bad day. So maybe I don't want to talk about it. So I think that's why we all just end up hanging together because we get it. whether it's, you know, cops or nurses or whatever, they get it because you don't want to feel, you don't want to be performing all the time. Like, I don't want to talk about it.

It sucks. Yeah, you know, some of it's funny. Just handcuffed sex jokes and stuff. You know, like dick on the sidewalk sounds funny, but that was a sock morning, you know what I mean? More for that kid than me, but in baby in a trash can and all this other shit, it's hard. Yeah, first of all, a lot of these sound like, like a lot of these sound like baby shower party games, too. I know. I do want to say that.

And that's not what we're doing here today. guys it's just kind of some of the way things sound yes so that's what those are my what i call my chapter my titles of my chapters of the alleged book i'm going to write that's why i shortened it like that but like you don't want to feel like you're on all the time so that's why we hang together because we all get it and we have a weird sense of humor we're different people like when we have christmas i run the i used to run the christmas parties for our district and they'd be like oh we can section off a part of the bar we're like no no no no we have to be in our own space like we are not fiffa public society i used to say because we say shit that is not funny and it's funny to us but if like random

normal people who just go about their business heard some of the shit that we'd say they'd be horrified oh i've had very recent experience with some of that and i feel you 100% um wow was it hard to move away then no i was ready you were yeah i was done and i wanted to be warm my daughter was already down here so your daughter lives in charleston yeah oh that's great so i was so i wanted to come down is that your only child yeah oh she's beautiful thank you And are you still married or no? No, towards years, yeah. And is it hard to keep, is it hard to keep, are a lot of officers married?

And is there a lot of dating on the force? What's that kind of life like for? Yeah, it's a little. It seems very tough. We spend a lot of time together. So there's always a lot of relationships form in the police department. Like cops end up married to each other. I'm divorced.

I've been divorced for years. It's funny, my ex-husband and his new, he's remarried, a wife. They moved down here too. Oh, nice. Yeah. So we all get along, so they could be near my daughter, and they have a child as well, so she has a brother with him. But it's hard. It seems easier now, for some reason, cops now, in my experience that I've seen, are more family-oriented than they were when I was young.

There was a lot more drinking going on then. Like, guys would stay late in the parking lot, and, like, no one will go home. And now everyone's all about their family. So I think it's morphed, whether it's who they're choosing or who wants, no one wants the job, first of all, by the way. when I took the police exam, like 10,000 people took it. And now they can't even get like 800 people to take the test. No one wants. I mean, it's terrible.

People hate us. Well, of course, when your district attorney is not supporting you, when your government isn't supporting you? And all over the country, like, no, we're not the fire department. Everyone, America's heroes is the joke. We laughed that no one wants to see us coming. And it's just gotten worse and worse over time because we're not politically supported even nationally. A warrant in the past.

It's changed. So it's hard to maintain. relationships. Because we're with each other. We all work 12, 14, 16 hours a day. I can't even imagine. And so that's how a lot of them end up together, I think. And then again, because they understand it. It's hard for a non-police person to understand what's going through our crazy heads because we're all crazy. And we wouldn't take, we would have taken the job, I think, if it didn't make you crazy. I can't even imagine. You have to drive in a car that is a siren on it. First of all, sometimes it's kind of aggravating. And then when you get there, you might

have to shoot somebody or get shot, I'm out. Yeah, it's a lot. You know, it's a lot. So it's a lot for a regular person to live with someone who's dealing with that, I think. Yeah, is it hard to keep the work at work for a lot of people, or is it not? Is it? It's changed, I mean, it varies by person. Some people can shut it off.

They don't give a shit. Just go home and shut it off. And some people get really, you know, fucked up over it and drink too much or they're too, you know, mental like depression or whatever. So. What did you think about Trump utilizing the National Guard to help out in some of these cities? fucking great. I did too. I mean, if the mayors aren't going to fix it, you can't have that much chaos in the streets to do something. I agree. And the fact that they're fighting it like,

oh, how do you clean up my city? Are you insane? I would love if there's military and it, I mean, like, especially if it helps us get to a point where we don't need that, where there's a bit of, you know, where it solves the problem. People want it. It's funny when everyone was hating on us a few years ago, bad after George Floyd and stuff. Everyone hate us, videotaping you every way you go, cameras, every, every radio call you're at. The phone's out in your face. They're waiting for something to happen and they're cursing at you. Spit on, like they spit on you when they talk.

And that's not, and you can't react to that. You can't be like, you know, you can't get into it with people. And so we're... What pieces of shit to do that? Everyone. That's who does it. Everyone. Every piece of shit does it.

But then you find out like the normal people in the neighborhoods, they want us there. They come out. They're like, thank you. Thank you for coming. But that doesn't happen as often as you like. And it is interesting. It is like, you know, I think it is a nice reminder to find ways to stop by our police and fire departments and be supportive, you know. One thing that's kind of fun about fire departments, I'll say, is you can walk by and see the guys right there sometimes, right by the truck, you know what I'm saying?

So you can go up and say, hey, you can go up and like. Yeah, it's not like walking into a police station, right? Yeah, there you're like, okay. Well, it has to be secure because there's prisoners inside and there's firearm. So it's different. It can't be as open and welcoming. At a fire department, there's just a crock pot full of freaking ballpark Franks going on. So it's a different.

Now, they'll guard those with their life, some of those guys. It's a different atmosphere, yeah. Yeah. And there's the one guy that's, like, afraid to slide down the pole. He just waits to whatever else goes, and then he just takes the stairs real fast. But it's, none of that's any judgment. These guys are heroes. But that's one thing that's nice.

Like, we were in New York the other day, and they were even doing a call, and we, like, took my buddy's son up. And he, like, will wear his little fire jacket around town. And he'll just, like, go get into the fire truck and shit. It's like, they come back and we're just like, this kid's just in their truck. But, kids love fire trucks and shit. Oh, they love that. I mean, that's, you know, and cruisers. They like the noise, the noise and the lights.

It's exciting. I think it's cool, you know. Oh, look at this. Here we go. Sean Diddy Combs sentencing live updates. Combs gets 50 months in prison. That's actually not that much. Four years.

For his conviction on two prostitution-related offenses, what were the offenses? Can you let me know? He must have been sex trafficking of a minor, maybe. He got acquitted of the most serious charges faced, racketeering, conspiracy, and sex. trafficking, found him guilty on two counts of transportation to engage in prostitution. You know, I personally thought that this whole thing was something they were trying to create during the election of kind of like, I don't know how they were trying to use it, but I thought

it was, they were trying to... He did some crazy shit. Oh, for sure. I mean, but do you think he was just a freak that got really addicted to what he was doing and a power, like a power hungry? From what I hear, he's a very power controlling type of person. Yeah, I mean, I obviously don't know the gist of the cases why they charge him with conspiracy and sex trafficking with their minors involved so I don't know why, yeah. So we got watched just over four years. I don't know what he

I mean, you can't get them for sex parties so there's obviously something there. That's a good point. And who knows what they kept back? Who knows what got like behind closed doors? Yeah, stuff gets suppressed. Yeah. Victims don't want to testify.

Was he the one with the girl who was kicking the shit out of in the hallway at the elevator? That was pretty bad to watch. Yeah, never mind. You know what? Fuck that. giving fucking 10 more years

I am I'm sorry and you know what's messed up I forgot about that yeah you know there's so much evil shit out there sometimes it's non-stop every week there's something else every day something else comes out so but do you think okay so going back to that

so that statement and I agree with this a lot but if we go back to like working the beats on the indoor chest when you were starting like there's a better way to do it right there's a better way we can be. Yeah, people have to be human beings,

but there's a lot of people that aren't. There's pieces of shit for whatever reason, whether it's poverty or their upbringing or drugs, mess of fucks up families to know it. So I don't know. I don't know what the answer is. It's not what we're doing. Right.

I wonder if it's what we are doing or what is being done to us that's having more of an effect on us, or probably some... Well, yeah, when we can't control it, people are going to be piece of shit and bad, Like, that's not our fault. That's not your fault.

We didn't do anything. We're just going about our business, having a job, getting up in the morning, going to work or whatever. The people that choose to, I'm just going to fucking rob this person. Some people are just bad people. Some people end up that way because of the way they're raised. And some people are just fucking bad.

They really are. It's the way they are. Yeah. And I think sometimes we do get caught in this space of like, oh, we have to recuperate everybody. Yeah, they're not all victims. Right. There's real victims out there.

Right. And it's not them. It's not those guys. That's a good point. Oh, when it came to the prostitute, the John, the pimps and everything like that, is there a certain, like, ethnicity? Like, is it Asian? Is it black? Is it white? Is it Mexican? Do you hear like a certain, is that whole universe of a certain world? Like, where a lot of these, because you always hear like Asian prostitution. Like, was it a certain. Or is it anybody? So the spas were Asian, their pimps were Asian. But the ones in my experience, in all of my cases, whether they were male or female pimps, because we had a couple females, they were, they were black. They're African. American. Really? Black female pimps, too? They worked, yes. They ended, like the bottom bitch, they'd end up kind of working on their own. The most common ethnicities of pimps in the United States, according to available arrest data and research are predominantly black

African American, making up about two-thirds of identified or arrested pimps, wow, followed by a smaller proportion of Latino, white, multiracial, mixed people, they'll do, they'll pretty much do anything, and Asian individuals. Yeah, the spas were, um, the guys, people running those were Asian. That's kind of crazy. I'm wondering, well, maybe it has a lot to do that music that's in that culture, too, just the way that some of that music is so vulgar and, like, bitch, pimp, and that, you know. Yeah, stuff's glorified. Yeah, it's a good point.

I think that, that culture has the most glorification of the music, of the performers. Now, a lot of the, uh, a lot of the producers and agents of that group are white. Um, so certainly just as much. Yeah, they're involved too. Responsibility, yeah. Thank you so much, uh, for hanging out. I want to know, what do you like to do now? So are you retired now?

I just retired three months ago. Congratulations. Thank you so much. Very happy. You're supposed to put in 32 years to get your full pension, but I gave up after 31. What? Yeah, 32 years. But you get your, you still get a pension?

No, I get my pension. It's just not. The most you're going to get is 80% of your salary. Okay. After 32 years. And I stayed till 31 years and I get like 77% or something. That's fair. Yeah, I'm down south now.

I go to the beach. I paint. I do all a painting as a hobby. You do? Yeah. Would you do us a little bit? painting and we could put it in here? No, I'm fucking terrible. I'm just learning. I copy artists that I like. That's how I'm learning. It's like mixed colors and stuff like that. So I copy

artists paintings that I appreciate and I try to recreate them just in the learning process. I'm terrible. I'm brand new. If you ever do want to do something even small, it can even be years from now and you want to... I'll send you a little painting. Yeah. My niece is an actual painter and I told her I was coming. She's like, bring Theo a painting. Oh, that's cool. That's sweet. Well, I'm glad that I asked. That would be really nice to have because then I can tell people who it's from. All right. And thank you so much for your service.

Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Thank you for having normal people on and not just, you know, like it's nice of somebody who gives a shit what we're doing instead of, you know. Yeah, well, I think I'm learning more that that's just so much more important to me sometimes, I think. I don't know. This whole thing has been interesting, like just talking to people and stuff like that.

Because I'm not really the best interviewer, but I do. I am curious about people. Well, that's what makes a good interview. You ask people questions, you know. You're a great interviewer. Come on. Wow, that's sweet of you. Thank you. You're welcome.

I love the Amish Kid interview. That was great. Oh, he was good. He was great. He was so funny. He was just very direct. He was just very direct. He seemed so natural at it.

He really did. I know. I see your hat there. I like you. Oh, yeah. That's he gave that. It's really him. And Louis C.K.

He's gave me his new book. I give it to your daughter, but it's kind of for boys. It's a boy book. Is it a novel? It is. And he did a really great job writing. All right. He's funny.

He's funny. But he's a funny bastard. Yeah, he is. And I'm so glad he had trouble in the past because that's how he and I got to know each other because we've all had trouble and fucking that. So it's good. That's great.

Yeah. And in the spirit of service, we got a picture up of our, this is our Jim Jeffries. He was a comedian that was on. That's his nephew. Oh, nice. Lieutenant Max Nugent,

yeah, who was an officer in the Australian Army and he passed away in a helicopter crash. So he is our, he's our hero. So we're excited to have him. Nice to have him there. Yeah. It's nice. Yeah, he's cool.

He seems like a neat guy. So I'm sure we'll get to know, channel some thoughts and feelings and energy from him over the years. But anyway, thank you both for your service. Congratulations on your move. Thank you. And you look lovely, and I wish you a beautiful second half of your life as it evolves. Thank you so much.

And thank you for your daughter. And we got you guys set up for dinner night over at 1230 Club. That'll be fun. That's lovely. Thank you so much. Yeah, I appreciate you. Thank you so much. Thank you.

Yep. Lovely to meet you. I'm falling like these leaves, I must be cornerstone. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this piece of mind I found I can feel it in my bones. But it's gonna tell you...