This Past Weekend - #625 - Matthew McConaughey

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Starting point is 00:00:33 Today's guest is a legendary actor, author, thought leader, just a real vibe curator. He has a new book out called Poems and Prayers. We had a great time down here in Austin getting to know each other. Today's guest is Mr. Matthew McConaughey. I'm glad to be here. Yeah, thank you so much, Matthew. Nice to meet you, man. You too, bud.

Starting point is 00:01:11 Where are you from? I'm from Louisiana. Which part? I'm from Covington, Louisiana, down there, about 40 miles north of New Orleans. Okay. My, I got a, I love Louisiana, where the weeds go a little taller

Starting point is 00:01:25 in the chassis, just to touch looser. But my family. my dad's mother, the Maitland's, had a school in Morgan City. So we would go to Morgan City every year for the shrimp festival. My dad grew up later, lived in a city park outside of New Orleans. And my best friend who since passed away was from Zachary, Louisiana. And I've always, I was raised in East Texas so that Louisiana humidity bleeds over a little bit over the border there, you know? Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:01:56 It's like somebody just exhaling a big hit a cigarette smoke over there. Hit Hirsch Coliseum, man, because you could drink at 18 and get over there for, my first concert was Rat. Yeah. Remember them? R-A-T-T-T, man. Yeah, dude. Lay it down, round and round.

Starting point is 00:02:13 Yeah. And I'd go to the W.W.E.E. matches over there. Bro, you were in the best place for wrestling. Yeah. I got kicked out of Hirsch Coliseum twice. You got kicked out of it two times? Two times, which is tough to do. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:02:25 But if you spit a luggy on King Kong Bundy, when he's coming to the ring. Yes, they will try to kick you out, but then you get put, you get kicked out, and there is a window on the exterior of Hirsch here that goes to one of the bathrooms from which I snuck back in, and then I had a hidden bag of rotten tomatoes,

Starting point is 00:02:51 and I pelted Skandar Akbar from the stands and got kicked out again. That's awesome, dude. Oh, they should have paid you for being there. That's, bro, you're helping from the crowd. Bring up Scandar, Agbarre. There he is. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:03:08 God. Remember, he was that, that was the bad guy at that time. Always, dude. They always had that little kind of cheeky bad guy, you know? We had Kevin Von Erick on here. Oh, there we go. And that was pretty special, man. Yeah, that's cool.

Starting point is 00:03:22 I loved wrestling at that time. It was so fun, man. Hacksaw Jim Duggan was my guy. Yeah. Hey, one thing. I'm out with a two. Two by four. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:03:30 I saw him. I went to Terry, I went to Holkogen's funeral and Hexol was there. Yeah, there we go. It was pretty cool, man. All my heroes were there. Like, I had figurines.

Starting point is 00:03:41 I met home. And the figurines are taller these days and half of them are a lot of guys like in wheelchairs. It was kind of tough to see because you see like just the remnants of these heroes kind of like the stained statues

Starting point is 00:03:53 in a way, you know? Yeah. It was pretty, it was magnificent and weird, you know? It was like, it was beautiful and sad. It's like you almost want to pretend that things are just in a certain place and time, you know? Your book kind of goes into some stuff like that. Yeah. Were you an evil can evil fan? I didn't get into him much. We'd see him like every, I think I saw him do one jump,

Starting point is 00:04:13 but that might have been just touched before I was like kind of awake to the world. I got into because my brother turned, turned me on to my older brother, Pat. Anyway, I was just thinking about, you know, fallen heroes and icons that, you know, I got to know him later in his life when evil yeah got to know him pretty good dog on well man i was trying to you know there's still a story out there to be told on him a movie to be made and i was around it developing it for 25 years and uh yeah there we are spoken at his uh funeral no way that's so cool yeah what kind of guy was he oh man you know he did not people the misconception are like he had a death he didn't have a death he had a life wish dude he was he was he had a life wish dude he was

Starting point is 00:04:58 as he said he needed to jump because he needed to sweat in his boots it was almost like I think his when he got on the bike and put his hands on the handlebar I think his pulse went down meaning

Starting point is 00:05:16 you know you know there's certain boxers that get the shit beat out of them and they're like dude you're taking four fights here's too many and they're like tell you no I have to my life outside when I don't have to train and get ready for fights, tougher on me. It's too scary.

Starting point is 00:05:30 A lot of guys say that. You know, and I think evil, he would always say like, hey, he wouldn't postpone any jump, even if it was impractical. Even if his engineer's like, dude, you're not going to make it. He was like, well, though they're American people want. And they paid their tickets and they're going to show up on time. We're going to do this. I mean, I think part of that for him, my opinion is that he was like, no, I got to,

Starting point is 00:05:50 I have to jump. Right. I can't postpone these things. Well, also to have that level of integrity with time itself with the clock of life, right? to be like, because I'll postpone things, I'll feed you, I'll be 10 minutes late, I'll be 15, 20. But to say, to tell time,

Starting point is 00:06:05 to tell like existence, I'm going to be there and meet existence right there. That's pretty ballsy. I mean, these days it's super balzy, but yeah, I mean, it's just, I think it's a balsy thing for anybody to do. But he was like Red Bull before they made a damn liquid. Remember?

Starting point is 00:06:21 I mean, he was, hell yeah. People would tune in the field. All the extreme sports, you know. I remember people just in the yard, if he was going to jump one night, that had people out in the yard fucking drinking Dr. Pepper

Starting point is 00:06:31 and fucking just massaging each other's shoulders. Oh, yeah. And the thing, you know what happened? What got kind of sad, but it's just true towards end of his career, and I saw this with this, it happened with his son and the jump too, is people started,

Starting point is 00:06:47 at first came, wow, he made the jump. Wow. Then it became like, I'm coming for the wreck. I'm coming for the crash. and I've been to jumps where, you know, because he always come out first, right? There's the ramp. Here we go, got to go, oh, he's just bypassing.

Starting point is 00:07:07 You got to do a little tease, right? You got to do a couple of runarounds, get one going. Get the brawl off a little. And then he's getting the crowd going up and they're all just, you know, pulling out and go, and then he does it, boom, and soon as lands and makes it. It's almost like, I saw so many people like,

Starting point is 00:07:20 oh, shit. Yeah. Stomp the cigarette out, throw that Dr. Pepper in the trash can to leave. Yeah, dang it. You know? Yeah. Good for him, but yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:29 No, but he made a, he, he was, he was a legendary cowboy, man. Let's look at one of these. This is Caesar's Palestine. Oh, he, and he created this. He called, he was in a motel and called the head of Caesars, all right, and said, hey, my name's, you know, Bobby Bernstein. I'm with ABC Wild World of Sports. I hear this guy, Evel Neville's going to jump your fountain.

Starting point is 00:07:54 And they're like, what are you talking about. Hung up the phone. call back another voice impersonated. I'm with the wide world of sports. Name is Bob Nott. I hear this evil-nevel is going to, he did it like three times. And finally,

Starting point is 00:08:06 the guy on the other end of Caesar's was like, who the hell is this evel-nevel evil-nevel, got, find him. Right. And they ended up calling back, evil answers his own as evil. And goes, yeah, I'll do it. And worked out the door.

Starting point is 00:08:21 But he created that jump. And this jump is, look at the violence afterwards. I mean, jumps found. and look at the crash, man. Boom! Here we go. Oh, shit. Oh, can we talk impact?

Starting point is 00:08:41 F, bro, that's, yeah. There ain't no smoking mirrors with that, man. There ain't no mattress that's going to fix that. No, sir. They ain't no posture. Oh, that ain't AI. You didn't fix that in post to make it look worse. Oh, evil.

Starting point is 00:08:55 Oh, dude. Yeah, there was just something like, Like, there was something special about that time where it was like, I don't know, the moment meant so much more. You know, there was something, there used to be something about the past that the moment, you couldn't copy it, you couldn't record it. Like, I think that's why those times, you talk about some of this in your book, man. And it's like about time and like, God, like the moment of when I was a kid or sitting there laughing with my friends. Like, the moment was so much more real because you were never going to get it again. Right.

Starting point is 00:09:24 And you didn't, you couldn't necessarily record it. And you sure his elder couldn't share it. There's a study on this, man. I don't know if I'm going to say it's like 20 years ago, or 25. The moment was the biggest dopamine rush. The jump, the cresting of the mountain, the pulling off whatever you tried to pull off. Yeah. Scientifically measured, the biggest dopamine hit.

Starting point is 00:09:46 Cameras and, you know, mobile devices and stuff come out. It slowly turned to the recording of the moment, the snapshot. okay not the cresting of the hill but we just recorded it the ownership of the moment ownership of the moment right and then what has happened now and it's been around for 25 years the biggest scientific dopamine hit that we get is humans is not the doing of the deed is not the recording of the deed it is when we press share really now that's a little bit like living in the third person, like we're all running around going, my rush is not when I run for a touchdown. My rush is when I see myself on the jumbo-tron running for the touchdown.

Starting point is 00:10:38 And that's a, that's a slippery slope, man. You know what I mean? Well, it's slippery, but it also seems hard to even conceptualize who I am then, you know? Yeah. Am I myself? Am I just a viewer of myself now? Yeah, that's it. We're much more, much more voyeurs now. Right. And our identity comes from being objective, trying to look at ourself from outside and now comes from, well, what did you think of what I did and how- Yeah. And that's the worst. What did you think of what I did? Because that will be who that will be my definition of who I am. Yeah, that we got to watch that. Do my sponsor tells me, he's like, you're not who they think you are. You're not who you are. And you're not who you think

Starting point is 00:11:19 they think you are. Yeah. I think I might, I don't know if I messed it up or not. No, but I hear you're saying. Yeah. He's like, but yeah. But, yeah. Yeah, it's just interesting how that... Especially for these kids these days, man. It's hard enough as adult. But I think as adults, we put our thought process on to them, and I think they live in a different world and realm that we kind of can't conceptualize because they don't seem as affected as...

Starting point is 00:11:44 You don't know what I'm saying? And it's hard to even know. No, I hear you. But I hear what you're saying, too. It's like... I'm not trying to be a dinosaur either. I don't be a dinosaur dad, you know what I mean? I don't want to be one of those ones when my kids are going on, geez, yeah, it sounds like...

Starting point is 00:11:57 you know, give it another TED talk from back in the, you know, but I hear you. Because there's some things that they're just with, it's just part of their vernacular. It's a, this thing's an extension of their arm, that kind of sharing and socialized. What do you mean? That's like having a conversation. Yeah. And we're going, I could say what I was, you and I were just talking about because they could understand it. They would go, okay, but that's not how it is.

Starting point is 00:12:20 Yeah. You know? Right. I mean, it's all kind of, I mean, it's all fascinating. I mean, even we were talking about, like, I just got back from the Old Miss game. I know you were at, it was fun. You guys were rolling, man.

Starting point is 00:12:31 And Lane's doing a great job of keeping y'all mentally in the right spot with all this noise about him going Florida or elsewhere. Yeah. He big-boid it. He big-boid it. Look, what do you mean? Meaning he didn't go the traditional, no, it's not true. We want to keep the noise out.

Starting point is 00:12:47 He went, we got this, I got this noise. Y'all got this noise because we're winning. Yeah. This is the noise that's out there. He talk, he's talking to those young men like an adult who's up with the times. Yeah. He's going, this is part of it, man. Right.

Starting point is 00:13:02 This is part of it. And they're doing it because we're doing good. So let's do as well as we can right now. Keep winning. It's a great message because your players are going to, they get it now. I think these players get the portals, the, the, the, the, the, you're probably not going to be playing with the same guys for three years straight. Yeah. Four years straight.

Starting point is 00:13:20 There's, you can transfer in season. You can go here. I mean there's two portals now I think aren't there aren't there two portals during the season um and I'm actually a van I'm a Vanderbilt fan but my but I'm friends with lane and uh and I grew up as an LSU fan right and and sometimes people are like sometimes they'll be like well you're a fair weather fan or something I'm like but now like you're saying it's like there's kind of like there's kind of like fair weather franchises in a way it's like they're changing players so much and things and that and they expect you to lock in like uh like my dad did or like

Starting point is 00:13:50 I did when we were kids. It's like, if you buy a jersey, the guy's gone, then, you know, things change so much. So I think it's interesting some of the expectations sometimes out of fans, you know. Well, it's harder to create as an organization, as a team, as a school, as that, that, oh, this is our brand of football. Last one to do it in the pros was what, New England. No matter who came and went, it was Belichick's way of football. It was Tom Brady, quarterback. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:14:20 Robert Kraft is on there was a certain way remember people come to studs would come to big names would come to new england and there wasn't a lot of press about them and all of a sudden next week you're like oh they got dropped and it wasn't a big no big fanfare it was like you didn't play our way that's you're kind of gone right we're good if you're not our way we are way is our way yeah so now when you're plugging in so many players and we're going through this with Austin FC our soccer club do we have a brand of what they call foochball soccer that you this is how we play Coaches and players can be plugged into our system. It's harder to do because players are moving around. You get a – we've got a chance to get this stud player. Well, if he's a running-opt-back and we've been running a traditional offense, which is dropback, be dumb not to update the way we play offense. You know what I mean? Or whatever that is.

Starting point is 00:15:07 But you have – yeah, how much are the expectations for the brand of how people play football at certain schools? Yeah. You know, I don't know. What's the brand? Who has a brand of this is how you play? it's a great question i mean in college football this is how we play the expectations of how maybe the brand maybe the maybe the cultures are similar and you have this is this is an understood whether it's aggressive violent or or finesse whatever whatever that is or we're going to have a great

Starting point is 00:15:35 defense right no matter what i well sabin had one kind of sabin felt like he had it he did i feel like sarkeesian is a guy that is very much he is the boss there you know there's an energy there with him that is very cut and dried. Yep. You know, but yeah, when I was growing up, it was like Pittsburgh kind of had the defense, you know? Baltimore had a defense. There was a toughness about those places.

Starting point is 00:15:58 You had San Francisco that was always a great passing attack. Yeah, I don't know. I guess, like. Yeah, if you have Earl Campbell back there for Houston or you have, what's the guy for big boy out of Alabama for Baltimore? Oh, Derek Henry. If you have them, you've gone, okay, we're going to be a running team. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:16:17 Yeah. Okay. You know what I mean? You ever hear that Bum Phillips quote on Earl Campbell? I don't know what listed. Y'all remember Earl Campbell out of the Tyler Rose. Oh yeah, he played for Dallas, too, didn't ear now. No, Houston.

Starting point is 00:16:31 He played for Houston. Yeah, the Oilers at that time. Oh, yeah. The Oilers ended up in Tennessee. That's where I live in. They ended up in Nashville. So they would give, Bum Phillips was a coach, and he would give Earl the ball like 35 times a game. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:16:45 And if the ports started coming out, I go, man, are you worried about the wear and tear on Earl, giving him the ball that often? Bum says, no, not really. That ball ain't that heavy. That's awesome, dude. Well, you used to have just so many good personalities. There's a Jim Mora talking to reporters. Will you look it up?

Starting point is 00:17:08 Saints, Jim Mora. Playoffs. This is even before that? Oh, it is? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Wait till you see this. He's talking about his team.

Starting point is 00:17:15 But, yeah, playoffs. He was great, man. Watch this, listen to this. This is crazy. Jim, obviously, you're not happy. Oh, we got our ass kicked. We got our ass kicked. It was sickening.

Starting point is 00:17:30 First three, we have 18 plays on offense. First 18 plays, we turn the ball over, one for a touchdown. The other one's going to set up a touchdown. We can't, you know, we got backs that can't hang on to the ball. They out hit us. They out tuffed us. We stunk today. Not even close between that football team and our football.

Starting point is 00:17:47 ball theme not even close ridiculous we run two screens we don't block anybody we get a back gets his nut knee blown out on one of them can block anybody we stunk just stunk I'm injuries I just think it I died Dean told me blew his knee out you know you got to block people on a screen shit he gets the ball out there and two guys big old animals nail his ass shit it's ridiculous we run a screen before that we get our ass nailed I don't know. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:18:20 You know, Dean said he couldn't put any weight on his leg. That didn't sound too good to me. We're down, you know, we're down and bad. We're down and everything. We, you know, shit. We don't have enough people right now. It'll be hard to practice next week. There you go.

Starting point is 00:18:32 There's not many of them out there. I mean, you know, I missed my friend Mike Leach watching that. Yeah. You know? That guy could give a post-peg. Oh, that guy was great, huh? What was he? What was he?

Starting point is 00:18:41 Oklahoma State. Texas Tech. Oh, Texas Tech. Cliff Kingsbury country. Have you heard the one of the one. them out after they went and they go, yeah, the players sitting out there and then on the river on a blanket, fat little girlfriends, and I'll bring up Mike Leach, fat little girlfriends, listen to this, telling them how great they are.

Starting point is 00:19:01 Yeah, that's true. This guy's classic. As coaches, we failed to get through to them. As coaches, we failed to make our coaching points and our points more compelling than their fat little girlfriends. Now their fat little girlfriends have some obvious advantages. For one thing, their fat little girlfriends are telling them what they want to hear, which is how great you are and how easy it's going to be and how, you know, we had a whole bunch of people. Everybody wanted to win the football game, but nobody wanted to play the football game. I mean, that defies

Starting point is 00:19:38 every level of work ethic that exists with regard to football. And as coaches, we have to solve our failure on reaching them and the players have to listen and I'm willing to go to uh fairly amazing lengths to try to make that happen I don't know if I'll be successful this week or not but but you know I am going to try and there will be some people inconvenienced uh and if it happens to be their fat little girlfriends too bad that's awesome that's what we need I'll just people to be brave enough to have a personality these days it's kind of interesting you know but check this out because I'm with you. That's entertaining. It's smart. It's an inside look. It's frank. It's open. You know, people call it politically incorrect. Whatever. Forget all that. It's in the

Starting point is 00:20:29 moment. It's great hearing somebody be honest in the moment with some color. But I also look at people like a great franchise. Bill Belichick says nothing. Do your job. Do your job. Do your job. That's it. Great Coach of the Spurs. Oh. Popovich. Yeah, Popovich. Cuts off interview.

Starting point is 00:20:55 Uh-uh. Yep. No. You saw it. Thank you. Bam. So there is something that they keep noise out because they don't give any color commentation.

Starting point is 00:21:08 Yeah. And is there something about that that is a stability within a franchise that's your head coach is going to handle all that color behind closed doors or just stay on that line keep it super simple. Do your job. Do your job. You didn't do your job? You're out. Yeah. I'm going to get someone that can do your job. I know

Starting point is 00:21:27 it's much more complicated than that. They're running X's and O's and everything. But this is another question. Look at college football, which is why I like college more than pro. So much. So our great legendary Texas coach Darry O'K. Royal He told me one time, he goes, Matthew, you can get

Starting point is 00:21:44 the maximum potential out of your team three Saturdays a season I believe it was number three Saturdays out of a seat at that time you had 10 so you got 12 now so now maybe you say you can get four boy there's an awesome black hole there to fill for the psychology that's all psychology

Starting point is 00:22:03 yeah he goes you hope you have you coach to have your team at peak for one of those peak three weekends against the best teams and then you hope they're just play kind of all right against the all right competition and then have their worst days against competition they should beat anyway.

Starting point is 00:22:20 They should just roll. But boy, if three, I'm still curious, I think the, what if you got a coach right now? If you could get six, top peak performance Saturdays, seven? I mean, because you got, I'm asking for three hours.

Starting point is 00:22:37 I'm asking for 36 hours a season for you to be mentally, and physically and spiritually right there on the edge and locked in and there's an opportunity there is that what i'm saying oh 100% and for somebody to even see that there is an opportunity there right because sometimes you might just look at life and be like well there's going to be highs and lows right like you can have a great team but yeah you're only get you you're not going to win every single time so it's like right those moments where you've had two great weeks in a row yeah and like now the spread is 17 but it's like no you that's not the laws of life yeah right so

Starting point is 00:23:13 So how do you adjust, what's realistically possible to weather that storm of that third weekend, where it's just, just the laws of the universe are not going to allow it to be as perfect. And balance how much, look, because sometimes you need, your team needs confidence. You know, I remember talking to Mack Brown at practice after we, it was 20-something years ago, We'd just come off like, I don't know, 45-0-0 route to UCLA. Beat them? No, they routed us. We were not good.

Starting point is 00:23:50 And that Tuesday practice or that Monday practice, it was like a completion for two yards, a clean handoff that went for two yards. We got applaud that. It was like, we applaud that. And it was like, man, I've got the teams. We need good clean handoffs and a reception and a clean pass. that wasn't intercept.

Starting point is 00:24:13 We have to build the confidence back up. So sometimes you're there. Other times you have such talent and they're so confident, how do you keep them playing? No, I'm not worried about your confidence. I need to make sure you feel like an underdog against yourself,

Starting point is 00:24:26 against the ability that you can play to. Because a great teams are essentially playing against themselves and how great they think they can be. And that opponent is nothing but in my way. Right. To me being as great as I can. be. And that's, if you got that working, if you can flick that switch in you, ho-hoo-hoo, howdy, how-dee. Well, in your own life, because this is something I think about a lot.

Starting point is 00:24:54 I think about confidence and ego, right? And I've always had a tough time kind of, I've always had a tough time knowing what my feelings are. Like when I was growing up, I didn't have a lot of feelings, I think, and so I didn't know what a lot of them were. Yeah. And then as I've gotten older, it's like, you didn't have feelings. When you had feelings, you just didn't know what they were. So I couldn't tell if I was like, um, have like instincts or uncertain, like what was like, like when it was making decisions, I couldn't tell what was instinctual

Starting point is 00:25:21 or what was me making a choice. Just, I just had a, like, I just didn't have a lot of feelings when I was young, and so it was kind of like a late bloomer in some of those worlds. But one of the thing I struggle with sometimes still is just like ego and confidence, you know? How do you know, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:25:35 Because one can be super dangerous. One is healthy. Well, look, man, I think ego's gotten a bad rap. this, you know, elimination of the ego, you know, there's a difference to believe, to going, I have confidence, I have confidence, then there is, oh, look at me. The difference is I am me. Me is the objective one, right? Me's that jumbotron, the lawyer one, where you're going like, oh, yeah, how do I look?

Starting point is 00:26:08 I look good. There's where I get my confidence from something I saw myself outside. of myself. Confidence with the I, which I think is true ego when we handle it right, is I think extremely healthy. It means, man, it's like, it's like judgment. You got to have judgment or you have no identity. And where do you get judgment from? Well, part of that, I believe, is part of the ego of I am discerning because I prefer this over that. I expect this more than I expect that. Experiences. You know, for myself or from others. Now ego can get out of check when it gets into the look at me yeah it but when it's coming from the subjective place of like

Starting point is 00:26:48 no i i i'm prepared for this this is what i'm fashioned to do i have the ability i'm capable and i'm willing i'm going to go do that and no one's going to judge myself harder than i'm going to judge myself because i believe what i am capable of doing i mean look i've i wrote about this and green light since a little bit in poems and prayers These men, these roofs, these limitations we put on herself. We make those up. And that's a cocky-ass thing to do. Who do we think we are?

Starting point is 00:27:22 To put limitations us on our... To put these roofs on our ability if we have that ability. Now, now we get into what's humility? Humility, which is a word I had trouble with because growing up, especially in religion, humility I always kind of coward. my head kind of my shoulders came forward my head kind of got down and i and i didn't know how to have confidence with humility how do you have confidence and be humble and then i heard a new definition of humility or being humble admitting that we have more to learn now that definition all of a sudden

Starting point is 00:27:59 my shoulders backed up my head went i said oh i can dig that i'm in i have more to learn because that's an active humility kind of now i'm now i'm going forward it's affirmative right i can still be graceful, still be empathetic and listen, but I, but, but I'm not, in this retreating like, yeah, I'm not, you know, yes. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not being passive necessarily. Um, I think we got to have a healthy ego. And empowering, taking on of knowledge and admitting you have more to learn. Yeah. At 10. Yeah. It was a freeing, you know, sometimes a definition of a word for me like, oh, I never thought of it that way. Now, now, now, now I understand it. Yeah. Sometimes it takes 40. I didn't learn that one until.

Starting point is 00:28:39 I was 45. Yeah. So for 45 years, hey, hey, hey, get off your toes. You better be humble. I was like, I'd cow down and miss opportunities, you know, and not be the first to speak up if I knew the answer or something, or pass the buck too often. And that's a false, that's like a false modesty.

Starting point is 00:28:59 Oh, shoot, no, no, I'm not made. Yeah, it's really pretending to, it's like, oh, let me let you see me be modest. Yeah, and it's bullshit. it's it's it's it's you're lying it's kind of cocky in reverse yeah yeah you know you should know that prize picks is america's number one sports picks app football and basketball season are in full swing and there's no better time to join the app is really easy to use that's what i like about it to create a lineup all you have to do is pick more or less on a few players stats that's it And right now, prize picks will give you $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup.

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Starting point is 00:33:06 I'm trying to think of some of the parts that I really liked. You write that courage is often one more step. In the right direction. Yeah. Yeah. And you talk about that in marriage, faith, and character. Yeah. And yeah, I thought that that was pretty interesting because, yeah, there's times where I stall.

Starting point is 00:33:28 Yeah. That's where I stall sometimes. I stall with that, like, I don't know what this is going to be like. what this is going to feel like. I already don't like the feeling of this, right? It happens to me a lot with like commitment and relationships and stuff. It happens to me a lot and like try not to control the outcome of like even a moment, right? Like God, I just, you know, to have a little bit of courage there to be like, well, let's see what this. Right. What would one step more take me deeper into debt or am I going to, or is it going to, am I going to power through and get to the other side and go, oh, okay, I stuck with it. Now I see it. Now I see the light. I like this.

Starting point is 00:34:11 It's a, it's a really interesting measurement. I think we always got to do, man. I mean, I try to measure like there's, like, remember there's no fear. I was always like, what do you mean no fear? I was always like, what do you mean no fear? There's a lot of stuff I fear. There's a lot of stuff I think we all should fear. It's what things do we go. No, I'm, but I'm going to have the courage to go. I'm overcoming that fear. But there's good and there's bad fears. Meaning, like, if I'm reading the script, and I kind of like the script, but, man, I'm not sure about the director and the financing doesn't have enough money behind it. Can we really make this good movie?

Starting point is 00:34:47 I'm not going to be making it. I'm kind of scared of that. I think maybe, okay, maybe that's a healthy fear you got there, McCona, because the pedigree around it may not be as excellent as you want it to be. There's other times, I don't say, read the script, see a character,

Starting point is 00:35:00 I like the directors on it, man. We've got good financing behind us. Production value's going to be good. The script's damn good. And I'm looking at this character going, I am scared and shitless about how am I going to pull this off? Well, okay. I would subscribe that maybe that's a good fear that I need to dive in and go,

Starting point is 00:35:18 well, let's go find out. But don't back off of that one because that one, and then I'll see the movie two years later. I'm like, oh, it was great. And look at that part that other guy got to play. And then I'm kicking myself going, You didn't have the wavos and the will to go sit there and go find out. McCona.

Starting point is 00:35:34 Come on, man. You know what I mean? So it's measuring the good ones and the bad. You say you got a bad feeling if you already have a bad feeling. Look, I do think this, man. My brother, Rooster says this. He goes, man, if everybody only did what they love to do, there'd be a whole lot of unemployment.

Starting point is 00:35:50 Yeah. You know what I mean? I mean, it's sometimes it does suck. And you've got to do some hard things. you're like, man, I'm not, I'm not, this doesn't feel right. Now, does it not feel right or do we just not like it? A lot of things I got to do that we got to do that we don't like to do to get to the other side and go, well, you know, especially as we get older. We've got things that we've invested in, family and friends and relationships or own themselves.

Starting point is 00:36:15 Those are some fires that we've been putting logs on for a while. And it can be hard sometimes to sit there and keep tending those fires or keep tending those gardens we're talking about, right, on our own soul. But you sit there and you go, I believe that it. if I do the hard work now and break this sweat and draw some blood to make this work, which sucks, I'm going to get to the other side. It's a sacrifice I'm willing to take to get to the other side and go. Oh, there we go. All right, there we go.

Starting point is 00:36:40 Now I can sleep better. Now I can wake up going, yep, I'm still connected to what I created in the past for myself. I did the next right thing for myself. And it sucked. But damn it, that's right there where I could have backed off and retreated. I could have said, oh, I smell smoke. Going to be fire. Well, sometimes it's like, no, it's smoke.

Starting point is 00:36:56 Maybe go put out the damn fire. before it turns into one. Yeah, that's what I mean. Or let's procure this fire a little bit, make a little bit of barbecue for the future. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, I do. Well, I think also it creates linch pins in your life.

Starting point is 00:37:07 Like some of those things you're saying, like, even like with family and stuff and being willing to do that, right? And be like, okay, this is a project that my wife and I, my partner and I are gonna create together. You know, did you have fears about like that at certain points in your life of like starting a family and committing to that and doing that?

Starting point is 00:37:24 Was that kind of tough? So, look, the one thing, I always knew I wanted to be was a dad. Eight years old. I tell you good, good story. So, you know, dad had introduced me with a lot of his male friends through life. And, you know, it's, I'm, shake their hand,

Starting point is 00:37:38 look them in the eye, nice to meet you, sir. Sir, sir, sir was a big thing in our family. And I remember I was eight years old. We were in Oak Forest Country Club Park on. Hello, Longview, Texas. And I met these two men. They were both in black slacks, white shirts, and black jackets.

Starting point is 00:37:58 and one of them had shades on. And as I was shaking their hands, I remember the sunlight was behind me. It's kind of in my eyes. I was like, nice to meet you, sir, nice to meet you, sir. It hit me in my eight-year-old mind at that time that, oh, and they were talking about their,

Starting point is 00:38:12 they started talking about their own children. And it hit me in my eight-year-old mind that, oh, all the people I've shaken, all that my dad's introduced me to that I shook their hands and said, sir, to were fathers. And in my eight-year-old mind, I went, oh, that's how you succeed in life. and it you know whether i'm out of propped or that was the meaning i gave it it was it stuck with

Starting point is 00:38:33 me and it was it was always been my measurement of what successful life would be as a man to become a father and then help raise kids so i knew i always wanted to be a father now then you get to can you you know meet a woman that you're in love with and that you know is going to be a great mother you know to them i fortunately met that woman in Camilla. So, but, but we didn't get married right off the bat. We were, and maybe this is because my mom and dad were married three times, divorced twice, and her mom and dad were married two times and divorced three times. Dang gosh.

Starting point is 00:39:12 So we had a track record for a reason to go like, well, I don't know about just, yeah, yeah, a whole lot. Yeah. So we're rolling along, man, and saying, it's going great, and we don't want to get married because that's just what you're supposed to do. I don't want to back into it. it because someone goes legally it's wrong what you put no bullshit i want to and i didn't really want to i don't against it but her and i were like we're doing good we have our first child or let me go back to nine months before we have a first shot i come home and there's cheeseburger she's cooking on the grill i smell them she pours me a double of my favorite tequila god i sit down and she gives me a gift i open it up it's the what do you call the sonogram whatever gram that is

Starting point is 00:39:52 what you see in the in the belly you got a baby and fetus she's pregnant oh my gosh pride, tears, we hug it out. Oh, my God, this is, this is so awesome, etc., etc. Let's call my mom. Tell her the good news. I get my phone out. Call, Mom, Camilla's sitting next to me. Mom, you're there. We've got some great news to tell you. Got you on speakerphone. Can you hear? Camilla is here. Hi, Camilla. Hi, Miss McCona. Hey, Howard. Mom, you're there. You got to meet. Yeah, yeah, I'm listening. I can't wait. Tell me, tell me, tell me. Mom, Camilla's pregnant. Crickets. All the next thing here is

Starting point is 00:40:27 No No no no no No Matthew this is out of order I didn't raise you to do this No Matthew you're supposed to be married And went on and on and on

Starting point is 00:40:42 In a five minute monologue and then hung up And I stop I look over at Camille and she looks at me And we're like oh shit that didn't go the way We thought you would And so, you know, let's top off that drink. You know what I mean? You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:41:00 10 minutes say the phone rings. It's my mom. Yeah. I have mom. He goes, hi, Matthew. Mom, on speakerphone. I go, I can put you on speakerphone. Okay.

Starting point is 00:41:09 Is Camillo there? Yeah, she's right. Hey, Ms. Pekone. Okay. Can you all both hear me? Yeah, we hear you, mom. We hear Ms. McCona.

Starting point is 00:41:14 Okay. I would like to put some white out over that last. I was being sell. was thinking about myself. If you two are happy about it, I should be happy for you. It's not my place to be unhappy. Da-da-da-da-da-da.

Starting point is 00:41:29 So we had two children before we got married. But yeah, I mean, look, the big project, you know, as far as I can tell, the one that's non-negotiable projects. That's the thing. Can we find non-negotiable projects? There we go, nope, when I'm lost and don't know what the hell I'm doing

Starting point is 00:41:44 or I'm looking for my North Star, what are some things in our life that we can look at and go. If I concentrate on that, I can't go wrong. Sometimes that's just it. I still have it now. Maybe I don't know what new things I want to do. And when I'm kind of lost and wobbly, I'll try to look at the things that I go,

Starting point is 00:42:01 like family, like fatherhood, like the marriage, and go, if you work on that, McConaughey, you can't bogey. You may not eagle, the hole, but you're not going to bogey. And you definitely ain't going to hit one out of bounds. You can't spend too much time on that in your spare time. And then that will help you spiritually, heart and head, So I try to go to the non-negotiables when I'm like, and then when things are going well, that's another thing.

Starting point is 00:42:29 I love to accomplish it, man. I love to go work and I'm going. All of a sudden, I'm hitting the road. I'm all over the place. How do I keep my marriage and my fatherhood out of the debit section? Yeah. How do I, you know, because I don't have the time as much time. That's another challenge when things are going well personally, you know, to take care of those

Starting point is 00:42:47 non-negotiables. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think a lot, like if I don't know what to do, I try and, Yeah, like it's always like help others, you know? Like that's the thing, like that's probably been the thing that's been most helpful in my life. If I don't know what to do whenever, you know, it's trying to help others.

Starting point is 00:43:05 Think of somebody else, call somebody else, see what they're doing, get out of myself. Yeah, heard, heard. There's like that prayer. It's like, God, I offer myself to be to build with me and do with me as that will relieve me of the bondage of self and take away my difficulties. so that

Starting point is 00:43:23 like, I don't remember the end of right now. Leave me of the bondage to myself. Leave me of it, off it. Third step, pair it is. Yeah, offer myself to thee to build with me and do with me as I will, relieve me the bondage of the self that I may better do thy will.

Starting point is 00:43:37 That's it. There we go. So it's just like, yeah, God, my problem is me right now. I'm just so, I'm sitting here, I'm just, I'm breaking myself up and putting myself into a joint and smoking myself, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:43:47 I'm just getting high. You know, something here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it can be a low point, or a high point, though, that's the thing. Sometimes I think it's like, you know, I've thought it's just the lows, but it's like, even if I get too high on myself,

Starting point is 00:43:58 it's like, that's not good either, you know? Well, it keeps our pursuit, not about that, it's talking to the godliness within us, the more godlikeness in us that we can be, that a lot of us are striving to be. That pursuit is such a valuable pursuit, you know, religious or not. You know, to have a connection to a creator, yeah, to not feel a- hire that you're not going to reach, but you're going.

Starting point is 00:44:24 I mean, otherwise, I would feel so homeless. I don't want my soul to feel homeless, you know. There's a lot of people that feel very homeless. Well, you talk about just like your own, like, times of faith and like how hard it, you know, it's tough to keep that connection going, you know, and to work on it more. It takes maintenance, doesn't it? Yeah, it takes a lot of maintenance, man. That's probably my biggest.

Starting point is 00:44:45 That's where my ego will get out of control, where all of a sudden I start, I take, for granted that I didn't just pull it all off of my own. And I start thinking, I did. And I do the math and go, like, I mean, I did. And all of a sudden it's like, ooh, here comes humble pie pretty soon. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's a tough thing. I mean, having a relationship with our creator and giving ourselves, like saying

Starting point is 00:45:10 God, you know, giving thanks, getting a good perspective for ourselves. Has there been practices that you've used realistically over the years? I'm sure once you have a family and stuff like that. some of that starts to maybe get more built into you. But just because there's a visual, there's an actual component that's right there alive. But have you noticed for yourself? There's a, having kiddos is in some ways are how we become immortal.

Starting point is 00:45:46 If we're fortunate enough for them to outlive us. And if we're fortunate enough for them to have kids, and passed on a lineage. It's like, you first have a kid, you're like, I have helped create a being that is outside of myself, but my blood is in them. It's a certain way to immortality. And I don't mean in the religious sense of,

Starting point is 00:46:05 oh, if you live this way, you live forever, because you get to the gates in the kingdom of heaven. Yeah. But it is a mortal way of going, no, just kind of sign to evolutionary-wise. It's a way to become immortal. And I find there's a great power in that, and a great freedom and responsible.

Starting point is 00:46:20 that comes with that because you're shepherding your future self through your child or what you're you're you know for 18 years so to speak generally in the household before they go off into the world um so you're taking care of yourself right in a weird way by taking like a chunk of yourself by taking care of your it's our greatest children i mean it's the greatest export and it is the most closest thing piece of art in the world that will ever put out yeah you know um yeah that's pretty fascinating yeah um do you and your family do you have any traditions that really mean a lot to you guys that you have felt like um have helped you establish more of a sense like a familiar sense like a team sense kind of yeah i mean my wife's better than my family ever was on the actual rituals i mean my family's like everyone come over for thanksgiving we're going and it's like swing by the pit and get some food while you're and we're going to sit down? Well, not if it, unless everyone wants to sit down.

Starting point is 00:47:22 My wife's, we're like, no, we are, I'm sitting the table. Right. And we're sitting down and doing this. And we're going to say prayers before and everyone's going to go around. That's one of the things we like to do, call it around the horn. Everybody, before we share something out loud, something you think for. Yeah. Share it up.

Starting point is 00:47:39 And at very least out there, it at least makes the food taste better. Yeah. You know, at least. But it also is a great conversation starter because you'll say things. and a lot of people don't like to share them out loud and it'll start a conversation with somebody that you didn't know why do you say you're thankful for that thing oh I didn't know your grandmother just got out of the hospital oh I didn't know that you did good on that test last Tuesday and you're thankful for that and it's a great way to get a conversation started we do we practice that we are uh we are uh we we we have dinner each night it's a small ritual but in their busy worlds of today huge To have that down and everyone comes in and you hear a little bit about the day and we kind of, it's kind of like a, the team gets together. And I was talking to my kids, we were talking kids about it the other day, you know, I was like, look, this, these, talk about these bonfires we have. Our family, we're calling it a bonfire, not a campfire, bonfire, boys and girls, let's go, man.

Starting point is 00:48:38 This is non-negotiable. We got to, we created it. We're on our way. We think we're doing all right. Let's keep putting log wood on this fire. but you three kiddos, you're responsible for going and chopping wood here too and bringing the log back to the fire.

Starting point is 00:48:52 It's not just me and your mama that are doing that. It takes, it's talking about back to sports where we were in the very beginning. It's a team effort here. Yeah. Y'all got to start adding that. Yeah. And have the confidence yourself

Starting point is 00:49:06 that you do have a log to add to this fire. Right. I think encouraging kids to think and feel like that, it's important, you know, because kids don't know how to think and feel. I think there's like this understanding that people just know what feelings are on what's happening and like what their responsibility is as a brother or a son. It's like a lot of that stuff has to really be kind of instilled, I think. I think you're right because I'm, I'm guilty of

Starting point is 00:49:31 giving the Cliff Notes version of things to a kid sometimes where they're like, I think is like, well, duh, you understand that, you know what I mean? Like little things, man. How do you wipe your butt? you know what's what's deodorant for you know what I mean little things you're like well duh and like no I you're wiping your butt with deodorant it's going to burn you know how would I know you know things you got to let let them know um yeah there's that extra step a lot of times and I think we think that kids are just adults and a week like sometimes you know or they saw it somewhere they picked it up yes that they already know because that's the other thing you do find out a lot of things that they did pick up that you didn't know they knew right and then you start

Starting point is 00:50:09 to be like oh well and you try to help them anyway and they're like I already know this So it's like, probably a little catch, a little bit of a catch-22. But there's a whole lot of things that, yeah, they don't know. You know, we, it's, it's, it's, in our frame, one of the things is, when are the kids ready for this type of movie? Yeah. Or PG or an R or something. And I'm just, in what content is in there.

Starting point is 00:50:34 I just don't want, there's some certain things in life about, about love, about, about, about, about, about, about, violence, about all the ways of the world that I don't necessarily, I want my kids to get it from an outside piece of entertainment before they have a context of understanding it from me and their mother. For sure. Like let them understand it first before seeing it for the first time and their emotions are going all over the place for pleasure or pain, but they don't know what it all means. Right. Or does that happen? Well, you know. For sure. So, want the context coming from their mom and dad first so they can then see it and go, I understand, that was realistically, however realistically that was done and how that affected me.

Starting point is 00:51:20 But I understand the context of what that scene I just saw. And that's why I try to hold back certain content, you know, from the kids to have just an understanding of the reality so you can at least appreciate it, but know that that's fiction. Right. Yeah, you got to be a keeper. You got to be a keeper, you know, you're running the, you're running the, kennel, you know, when you're doing that. You know, if I could go back in time, one thing I would start to do would be to start saving my money a little bit earlier, even if it was just a little

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Starting point is 00:55:26 That guy's absolutely crazy, dude. He took me to yoga class, right? He goes to this yoga class. I'm in there, right? And he, I think he's, he has the heat on his phone. He's hijacked the heat system and like this, so he's sitting over there. Pumping up the heat? Yeah, I mean, just like.

Starting point is 00:55:40 Hot yoga? Like, Putin over there. Yeah, he's got it way hot though. And he's fucking, he's even holding a lighter in there, like adding a little bit of heat to the room. But at one point, he's like wandering around and just like saying things to people and whispering like affirmations. Wait, is he in the class or is he teaching the class? He's in it. He's not the teacher.

Starting point is 00:55:57 And the teacher has like the microphone thing on. And she's kind of pointing at him. now and then. There's a picture that we just put up yesterday from, and I don't know if you can even see it. It might be out there somewhere. Can he raise it up a little bit? I can only see his head.

Starting point is 00:56:10 And this seems like a shot. You got to see out. Okay. That's lame. But find the other photo, too, if you can, Nick. But he's, dude, he comes in. He puts a peppermint in my mouth, dude. And his hand kind of even touched my lips a little bit.

Starting point is 00:56:23 And I don't even, I mean, we're both straight males, you know? I mean, as a family, I hope to have a family. But he just, like, I'm like, and I'm in there sweating and dying. and basically trying to look okay, you know. And sorry, I wear a towel like that. I was raised by a single mom. Oh, this is you over on the right? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:56:39 Is his post peppermint? His post peppermint. But I mean, Lane is crazy, though, dude. He has these weird rituals and stuff in there, and he'll, like, bounce a golf ball. It's like people, it's like dead, and he'll bounce a golf ball across the... He's just doing bizarre stuff in there.

Starting point is 00:56:57 Does he have a method to it? Is he doing it for... It is. It's just, we... I can't, it's like he's, um, uh, some sweat moliere or something, you know. I don't know what he's doing, but it's, it's just amazing over there, uh, but he's just always likes to be involved in causing, having an effect, right? So that's what I noticed about him and it's interesting and it's fascinating in the same.

Starting point is 00:57:19 Is he a trickster or is he a sort of, uh, as you said, he's just going to throw in some color commentary on the situation, he's going to give a different color. He's very colorful. Okay. And so, but he's got a big hard hero. like he'll make sure that everything's taking care of. He's on top of everything, right? But I think he likes to be very colorful and stuff.

Starting point is 00:57:37 But we had a great time over there. Anyway, this was just an experience that we had where he goes to these yoga class every single day. And he never misses. And it was just, yeah, it was a great experience. I mean, I had to lay down for a little while. And some girl was like, do you need CPR? And I'm like, no, I don't fucking need CPR.

Starting point is 00:57:53 Just taking a rest. I'm just taking a rest with my eyes closed. You look like you went through it, man. You look like. I was laying there like this for a little while because I wasn't doing really good and yeah I didn't black out but I like light browned out or whatever

Starting point is 00:58:07 but it was like I'm fine but anyway yeah but it was just fascinating over there man just to be over there and we got to walk to the like the walk that they do up to the stadium and that was pretty crazy I mean yeah they're just

Starting point is 00:58:20 that fan base is pretty rabid I didn't realize how special it was over there in Oxford I didn't realize going on right now man yeah they got it going on I think they're going to make the CFP I'm hoping Vanderbilt makes it in I don't think that they're going to. Well, what did y'all?

Starting point is 00:58:32 Y'all lost two? We lost two, yeah. To us and to. Alabama. Alabama. All right, that ain't, that's... But they need a big win, you know. We need a big win.

Starting point is 00:58:41 Who do you got left? We still have Tennessee. We have Kentucky next weekend and then we have Tennessee. All right. You clear those two. With the two-lost season, you're most likely in. Maybe. Well, look, like, we just have Sanford Stadium down in Georgia, got it hands.

Starting point is 00:58:59 got it handed to us. You were down there at the UJ. What's that like over that that happens? I never remember between the hedges. It was. I had never heard Sanford said in between the hedges as being like one of the plate. Whoa, it's really hard.

Starting point is 00:59:13 Oh, yeah, man. Was it 90,000? And those fans are in unison, man. And they had, I tell you what, I get to measure stadiums, right? When I go to them, like, what's the fan base? Oh, yeah. How happy are they that I'm there compared to how much did they like,

Starting point is 00:59:34 F you McCona, hey, we're going to get it, you know what I mean? And this, this crowd was loud from the beginning, especially that first half. And then the second half when they started to boat row, they were still really that. But they were one of the higher decibels that I've heard. But they were continuous is the thing, especially anytime that we were on offense. because you get crowds that are in unison they know the chance Auburn does a good job of that

Starting point is 01:00:03 being in unison they have their chance It's a big thing You can have 30,000 more people But if you if the rituals and the cheers aren't in unison It doesn't it's not as intimidating At all

Starting point is 01:00:13 And yeah They were happy I was there But they were also Giving me straight horns down And going we're gonna whip your E night tonight You know what I mean? So it was a good

Starting point is 01:00:23 It was a good It was a healthy healthy hate there I love that You know what I mean? Because I've been to some, some visiting. And they get a little edgy? Oh, no, I got some, and I won't say their names on that. I got some that, dude, I'm dodging, I'm dodging loogies.

Starting point is 01:00:39 Yeah, yeah. You know, dodging those tomatoes you were throwing in hers. And they're like, yeah, we're, yeah, that, and I was like, here we go. Okay, and I've been to others. They're like, a time to kill us now, buddy. Whatever, you know, and then I've been to somewhere, it's like, they're too happy to see. They're too nice to me. I'm like, uh-oh, you're in trouble.

Starting point is 01:00:56 Dude, how great is it, though? Is there anything better than being a college football fan? I don't know if there is. It's great. And the SEC is one of the best forms of tribalism in the world. I love hearing that. I think I agree with you. I didn't know.

Starting point is 01:01:13 I toured so much I'd never gotten to have the fall off. So the past, I've been in nine games this year, I think, from different stadiums. Probably five of them were at Vanderbilt Stadium. But it's just been amazing, dude, like to go to Alabama, to go to Virginia Tech, to go, we're going to go to Neeland in a week or two, to be at Ole Miss yesterday. He had us to see some of it and just that, like, what it's about for them in those places. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:01:41 Well, and, you know, Athens, that's basically just college town. And they were just, the fans are great. And they were loud and they were rabid. But to go, one of the things I love about being in the SEC, I can't wait to go, you know, been in Tuscaloosa. I've been, I can't wait to go to Death Valley LSU on a night game when we go there. Because I've only been there once

Starting point is 01:02:04 and they played Vanderbilt when Vanderbilt was a doormat. Right. Not the Vanderbilt now. Yeah. And so that was a good experience, but that wasn't a great Death Valley experience. I still, I can't wait to get over to Tennessee. That's a beautiful place to.

Starting point is 01:02:18 That I think might be the most beautiful place to see a game is that Neeland Stadium. But I haven't been to see a game at Austin. I want to go see that. I know that Rogan and Tony Hinchcliff went one time. You might have went to that same game that they went to. Most of them I'm over there on the sidelines. That's so cool, man.

Starting point is 01:02:33 Yeah. Yeah, I just feel lucky to, first of all, even just get to be around some of the teams to be that close to like that energy, that young. If you stay around young people, it just keeps you young. It's like there's something that's like, I don't know. It's just, it's energy. That's how energy works.

Starting point is 01:02:49 And I still have to remind myself how young these young men are. Yeah. you know and that you know it's like because they're so damn big you know and you're looking you go oh you're 18 yeah 18 when was that you know got to go back and do the math you know yeah you can't even figure it out sometimes I'm down there and I'm feeling like I was at college UT just now just a few years ago well if you multiplied times a nice size number yeah but it seems like it was the other day you know I know it does but that's what's kind of nice about it too is the connectivity of that that there's something special about

Starting point is 01:03:24 when you get around certain things that it's undeniable, that it's nice that it feels not that long ago in a way. Yeah, it is. And again, on the SEC, man, I was talking to Sanky about this the other night. They're the only conference that wants to fight absolutely draw blood like brothers

Starting point is 01:03:45 on a Saturday night when you're in the game. But after the game, we're the SEC. Yeah. And the only conference that you go to, and if you beat, an SEC team beats another team that's outside of the SEC conference, yeah, they may chant their name, TIG, LSU, or their, but they also chant SEC, SEC. They do love it. Nobody else does that, man.

Starting point is 01:04:15 I used to get upset with my friends that would cheer on other SEC teams if our team was out of it, right? Right. But now I get it. That's it. Now I get it. It's like this is the conference. That's why I'm kind of, look, I backhanded, you know, I got a, when OUB to Alabama, like they did. I get a little, oh, there we go. Even when A&M came back from down 33 against South Carolina, I'm like, there we go.

Starting point is 01:04:39 Because we're the old Southwest Congress, the old Big 12, I'm rooting for them to go like. And I also, I'm a Texas fan who wants our two biggest rivals, those Aggies. oh you traditionally i want them to be undefeated when we play them you know what i mean that we usually play oh you around the i don't know fifth game this season fourth fifth i always want oh you to be undefeated and i want us to be undefeated and then i want to beat them yeah beat them and i want a and we have we play a and m the last game of the year so it's still coming up it's two weeks you know from now or saying whatever weekend is i don't know when this comes out but you know i want them to be undefeated hell when we beat them is what i want it you know what i mean that

Starting point is 01:05:21 Yeah. Well, I always cheer for the underdog, man. I'll find I always cheer for the underdog. That's one thing I loved about Vanderbilt this year. They've always been the underdog. Pavia is great. They have so many great guys. Every guy over there has been. I met Pobby. He came up and said, howdy after the game. Oh, he did? And Austin. Oh, that's awesome. He's a great guy, man. He's just been the underdog the whole time. I was like, man, congratulations on what you've done. Keep doing it, man. You all got it rolling. And yeah, and what Lee's done with that. Yeah, because look, there's a little. a lot of players on there that a lot of these teams were talking about didn't necessarily

Starting point is 01:05:55 sniff them. Oh, yeah. Because they would have been on a different team. Yeah. But look what they've done. It's again, back to psychology. Yeah. That's that's a, that's a mental edge and the power you can get from believing you're an underdog or that the world saying you're an underdog fuels you instead of. Right. Makes you cower. Going, oh yeah? Watch this. But to believe that, is different than to say that. Like, we've seen plenty of teams that are cocky. Right, yeah. And you're like,

Starting point is 01:06:28 not to get into the ego side of it. You ain't got to, you know. Oh, you just laid a big hit on that running back and there's three minutes left in the fourth and you're 17 down. I wouldn't be doing a dance, Sarah Ponce. Yeah. Did you see a scoreboard?

Starting point is 01:06:42 You know what I mean? Or the want to, the come out is what more was saying, or who was it, Mike saying, well, I wanted to win the game, didn't want to play a lot of it. You can see, you know, you want, there's a certain swagger that you're like, are you playing the part or do you believe? Right.

Starting point is 01:06:58 Again, are you looking at the JumboTron and acting like what you think you should act like? Or do you believe that? And is that dance you're doing coming from? Yeah. From you. That's me. That's how I feel. Difference.

Starting point is 01:07:11 Dude, we had, there was a funny, the other night I was somewhere and there was like a, I think a Titans, one of the Titans kind of brass. And they had a, like, one of their upper people was, and Pavia was there. It was some dinner thing we were at. And I said, oh, have you guys thought about drafting Diego, you know? And the guy goes, well, he's a little small for us. You know, we kind of, we like, like this is one of our guys. It was a player there and he pointed a guy.

Starting point is 01:07:38 And he's like, that guy's six, seven. And I was like, that guy's one and seven. Right. I was like, Diego Pavia is eight and two right now. I hear you. And I know it's different. No, I hear you. But for me, it's like, if I'm a team in a city,

Starting point is 01:07:50 I would get a player that everybody loves that played in that college. I don't understand why pro teams don't do that a little bit more. Well, they do. The Saints have been the best at it historically. Drafting the local, keeping it in Louisiana. So that Superdome's full of people going, you know, who droves my cut, you know. Oh, that's a good point. You know, look, I don't know how much that really works in the pros because it's a new singular brand business.

Starting point is 01:08:17 I'm with you, I like the sentiment of let's keep the home cook them going. Yeah, that's how I think that's how I think. You know, I like that kind of stuff. Are you still teaching? Were you teaching classes at UT? Yeah. I visit the, I got there's a professor that's in there daily, but then I swing in and, you know, we'll talk going for three hours at a time.

Starting point is 01:08:39 And because what we do is we break down films and ads that I've done, called from script to screen, meaning let's see the journey that this book that turned into the first script, that turned into a shooting script, that turned into the movie. Let's see the journey it took to get there because the original screenplay is very different than the final package you see. And so let's show these students, these serious filmmakers about how there's many ways to skin the cat.

Starting point is 01:09:01 And so I'll go in and we just break down. We broke down most of my films. And then I have the director come in and talk about certain scenes. And it's a badass class. Dude, I've loved, I used to go perform up at,

Starting point is 01:09:12 in Huntington, West Virginia all the time. Were you guys shot your martial movie? Yeah. And that was awesome. man and one time the guy that survived read uh yes dawson he was speaking at the hotel uh that i was staying at in the he was speaking when was this how many years ago more but more left 16 years ago 16 12 10 so we had done we are marshal which is probably 20 years ago i'd be yeah yes so look i don't want to speak on on red's behalf but these are this story i heard and i hope i'm getting this

Starting point is 01:09:47 correct if i'm not excuse me but that That, you know, that crash in 1971 with that Thundering Herd team, everyone in Huntington was somehow related to that. Yeah. All right? Whether by blood or by family or by that, was the identity of the town, the college at that time. And a lot of people retreated.

Starting point is 01:10:10 We showed up to go tell that story, and they were skeptical of Hollywood coming to tell their story for good reason. For sure. Like which version you tell them. Right? You're going to add some elements that are just going to make us look bad? You're going to make us look like that. Do you know? Well, our director, McGinty, McGee, did a really cool thing. He let the whole town know in the paper, hey, anybody can come by a set. Anybody who wants a script? I'll give you the script. Slowly people started to come around. Script was good. They were like, okay, da-da-da-da. And then the movie comes out, and I think there was a bit of catharsis that can happen. And meaning I heard that, you know, Red Dawson had been very reclusive

Starting point is 01:10:50 and that the time around the film coming out and the story and for other reasons he started to come back out, watch a game. Maybe it started behind the fence, then it moved into a bleacher, then it moved into talk. Anyway, you hear stories like that. And not that the film we did was responsible for that, but a part of that that you go, ah what a what a cool thing to be a part of in sea that can happen you know well art that's an interesting thing about art is that something can come out of something that's nice can come out of this right something that still honors it even if it didn't do the best job something that

Starting point is 01:11:31 earnestly tried to show up and honor this thing yeah or have some spend time with it right to spend time spend time spend on it uh well intended right try to tell the truth on it, ah, they get to them see a representation of some of their experiences on the proverbial jumbotron, but also that can help us get to know ourselves better, especially if you've been locked up and covering that, you know what I mean? Holding those things, yeah. It's crazy some of the things that we hold, you know. I got into doing like ayahuasca experiences over the past, like, maybe five, six years, and that's helped, like, bring up a lot of old stuff and process it, you know?

Starting point is 01:12:08 Yeah. That's just been pretty good for me. Now, a lot of that's talking about going back, we were talking about ego earlier. A lot of that's about get rid of the ego in a way. What's been your, what would you say has been the best thing, most healthy thing for you that those ayahuasca journeys have done for you? I would say it's helped me process a lot of old pain, things that were like kind of weights,

Starting point is 01:12:30 kind of things that were just like clumped up roots of my past, hard mud around them. It just helped that stuff break up. Okay. So it's easy for me to be up here a little bit in my own soil and have an experience to grow. Yeah. I heard. Not be locked.

Starting point is 01:12:47 We more receptive maybe? Yeah. And not stuck in like a lot of like kind of burned off a lot of like old like low self-war stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's started to kind of disappear, you know. Have you had an experiences like that? Not with ayahuasca. I mean, I've had, you know, my own, most of my big sort of breakthroughs spiritually have come on singular journeys.

Starting point is 01:13:10 that I took by myself to places where they didn't know my name. And putting myself in those places, whether it be in Africa or the Amazon and Peru, where everything that I relied on was stripped away or the year I spent in Australia as an exchange student, where all of my conveniences of my talismans of identity, whether it was my name or my nation or my state, my family, they're all stripped away.

Starting point is 01:13:43 And I was forced to rely on myself and forced to kind of look up and go, I'm listening. And you know, when that truth comes on you, man, it's like a gentle as a butterfly that's strong as a lightning bolt. And you've got some things that hit you sometimes. You go, remember this.

Starting point is 01:14:09 When you go back into the way, world and all that onion starts to get pre-peeled again you start to take on all these things and play these different parts and get these ideas remember this to be what you understand now to be a non-negotiable truth it's like there's an emerson line about the the truth that comes to us in quiet solitude it makes so much sense but can we take that amongst the masses Can we walk into the cathedral, the stadium with 500 million people, and still hold that truth to be ours and true for all time? Wow.

Starting point is 01:14:47 You know? Yeah, I think that's something as I get older. That's the thing I admire somebody that's something the most, somebody that can have just like a quiet self-confidence, you know, an integrity, you know, that you can tell that that's kind of unshakable for them, you know? well and it's tough man because the world changes and a lot of times we change by changing with it adapting a lot of times we change by staying exactly the same and all of a sudden we look like an original and you're like I'm doing the same thing I was doing I just didn't I didn't I just

Starting point is 01:15:18 jived when everyone else juked you know what I mean or I just stayed the same while everyone else was juke and jiving do you ever feel like that like there was like there was a comedy manager one time I was on a plane with him and he said your audience will evolve right because they'll grow up. But so you have to evolve somewhat, right? But there's a fear, I think, especially with comedian stuff. Well, this worked. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:15:38 I got to stay. I got to be that person for, you know, that's what I have to be a lot, you know? Yeah. I mean. I don't know if that's like that for actors. I guess it's probably different. No, you know, sure. Sure.

Starting point is 01:15:48 Or you think like this movie style worked for me. That's what I. Or this choices I made. Oh, everyone likes that when I do that. Yeah. That got memed or that got, you know what I mean? I'm not, I'm not saying I'm going to, you know, I'm not, I'm not saying I'm going to, hey, I did never go, well, make sure you say

Starting point is 01:16:02 all right, all right, right, every scene, every movie. I'm not saying that, you know what I mean. But I'm saying there's certain things you go. Especially for your character's deaf or whatever. Or he's like just in a coma at the very end. He's like, oh, right, oh, or just a pessimist. So that's what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:16:20 He's like such a Jack Nichols. Who's Jack Nicholson in that movie where he's just that pessimist, anger management is that or something? And then at the end, you just say it. Here's your bumper sticker. No, there's certain things that, you know, you get to, I think we all do. Rock band knows what their encore is, you know. Bruce knows they want to hear born in the USA.

Starting point is 01:16:44 Right. How do you sing that your proverbial fastball? You know, Clemmons does those 100 mile fastball? Don't mean, does he need to know curves and singers? Yeah. But do you forgive your fastball? No, you don't forget your fastball. fastball. Of course not. I think you go, but how do you do it? What I try to remind myself is if I

Starting point is 01:17:04 know I'm going with something that's a fastball, I go, okay, how do I do it like it's the first time each time? I've always wanted that with, with, well, probably with comedians. You've got something you know, man, bam, it works. How do you do, how do you do it like, that's the first time? How does it, has a, how's a band go out and play that song? They played two thousand times, man, like, how do they get off to it that night? What I've heard is that, oh, you got a new audience each night. So you're feeding off of them and it's their first time so you can give it to them like it's the first time. That's interesting.

Starting point is 01:17:35 I never even thought about it like that. Yeah, for me it's just always tricking myself. Laughing, sometimes laughing seems very present. And so things like that. Some modalities I'll do before, like ice, bass, sauna, those types of things that just get your energy so, like, at a fun level

Starting point is 01:17:51 of being alive and existing that no matter what you're doing seems fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think a lot of it is having fun. How much of that? Let's talk about that. how much of uh doing that being successful is do you think is enjoying what you're doing when you're doing it oh like how much if you laugh at a joke and i and i i think i'm agreeing with you here is that i've done things where i'm like going i feel confident it where if it makes me laugh and no one else laughs i'm going to then think that's funny yeah and that will then probably in turn

Starting point is 01:18:25 be funny. Well, that might just be a good acting. I mean, yeah, that's probably just a really good way to, as an actor to be able to, like, have that shift. Like, okay, if this didn't even land the right way, then that part of it is then funny.

Starting point is 01:18:42 Yeah, I think as a comedian, I don't, if I'm taking care of myself and I'm in a good way, then it's going to go good, I know. I just think it's like, they just want to see you having a good time, especially these days, people are just so, like, with podcasting and stuff people will get to know you so much they just want to be in the room

Starting point is 01:18:58 with you right right they want the material to be good and you want it to be good yeah i don't want you yeah you're all there wanting it to be good right and and i wouldn't i wouldn't show up if i didn't think it was at least good enough to bring to you to trade for a fair but uh but a lot of it is just people want to spend time around each other my my greatest mentor lady named penny allen who's since moved on would always say this you know and you got a crew making a film you got 120 people you got directors producers not everyone agrees on everything right and you can get to arguments and she was like just remember this matthew she goes one thing everyone is there for and wants is a good show you know what i mean right like that's a unifying ways of getting it but

Starting point is 01:19:37 everyone no one's there going i don't want this be a good show you all everyone wants it to be a good show dude in my head sometimes i'll get in that thing like oh i know how to make this you know like that's a part i get stuck sometimes um i want to talk a few minutes more about writing and stuff before you go thank you for your time sure poems and prayers that's your new book that's a out um when did you start writing and who kind of got you into it i know there's stuff in here from when you were 18 from you were in high school that's probably when i started writing longer form poems and that was a year in australia where i was one of those times i was lost and wobbly and looking and and and trying to figure had didn't have friends to rely on didn't have family to rely on

Starting point is 01:20:15 so i started you know dude i was losing my mind in a good way i was writing 16 page letters to myself and returning them with a 17-page letter Yeah, bro. Socratic dialogue. I was going, hey man, we got to entertain ourselves

Starting point is 01:20:33 I ain't got no one else to go to so let's have this out. And so I... What is strange? I mean, it's cool. It's strange. It's unique. It's unique, sorry.

Starting point is 01:20:44 It was hard. No, that's strange thing to do. So what were the letter were you saying like... Trying to work shit out. Yeah. I was losing. in my mind, I didn't know what, I didn't have a, I didn't have a compass, man.

Starting point is 01:20:57 Everything around me was odd, and I didn't know if I agreed with it or disagreed with it, or if it was just a cultural difference, or if it was bullshit. Just getting to know yourself. And I didn't, I didn't know where to stand until I got pushed to where I had to make a stand. And boy, when I had to make a stand, you know, when this host family wanted me to call a mum and pup, and I went, no. that's that i'm i'm not going to do that i appreciate you thinking to me that way but i still have my mom and dad and i remember at the time why i said this part i do not know but it was like

Starting point is 01:21:33 i thought it would ease the blow a little bit i remember saying this i was like no i have a mom and dad and they're still alive yeah i gave them this little context like oh just in case like what the hell is that matter anyway you know and and to make that stand and go no and then call them but say good night and call them by their first names and then wake up the next morning my alarm clock was a screaming woman going he won't call me mom going oh shit and then going to her and going no i won't but putting an arm around her and going i you know creating some boundaries for yourself figuring i had to create a boundary that's it i was look i didn't i was trying and so to do that is part of i think a big part of identity um and so i started writing i'd always

Starting point is 01:22:15 written since i was probably 12 but i started writing poems and jotting down prayers and things when i was like I said, lost wobbly and looking, but also times where things were going well, and I felt spiritually strong and going like, well, what are some habits I got right now? What are some ways I'm seeing the world, where the world seems to be, I'm putting this out of my soul and it's music,

Starting point is 01:22:34 and the world's kind of throwing back to the next beat right at me, and we've got a tune going. Yeah. You know? And then I stepped in shit. Well, that's part of the tune. Right. You know, they laughed at my joke.

Starting point is 01:22:46 Hey, that's part of the tune too. Oh, they were crickets. They didn't laugh. That's still part of the same song. You know? Right, it's all part of the same song, yeah. Instead of trying to get this old, this song, like just the perfect song, you know,

Starting point is 01:22:57 just recognize it's a long song. It's a long song. Yeah. And so poems and prayers, look, you know, I'm, I'm trying to sell Sunday morning like a Saturday night. Meaning there's a lot of good stuff, whether it's you ring up stuff in the Bible that has a lot of good stuff for living.

Starting point is 01:23:18 There's a lot of good things we've learned from mentors and other philosophers and great books and wisdoms of the past that we're told to do. And I know this, no one really likes to be told what to do most of the time. And we also don't really like to get advice. I don't like getting advice.

Starting point is 01:23:38 Hell, every director I work with, I tell them right off the bat, I'm easy to work with. Just don't tell me what to do. Right. You know what I mean? Or, or, and then I tell them, even like, you find a way to make me think it was my idea.

Starting point is 01:23:54 There you go. I'll even know you did it, but don't tell me, and I'll just wait, there you go, that's right. You know what I mean? But if you can put it in a rhyme, if it can have a bit of a ditty to it, if you can dance to it, and it's a good word,

Starting point is 01:24:11 it's more fun to digest it. It makes the broccoli taste like candy. Yeah. You know, and you go like, oh, okay, I can have a beer on the way to the temple, thank you. Yeah. You know what I mean? Right.

Starting point is 01:24:22 I mean, I'd rather have a beer on the way to the temple and be headed to the temple than abstain, say I'm abstaining from having a beer, but headed the wrong direction to the desert. Right. Yeah, I've never liked taking suggestions. It's always been hard for me, I think. Well, it's tough in your life when things go pretty good sometimes to, like, want to relinquish the wheel, you know?

Starting point is 01:24:43 Hell yeah. But at the same time, And things are going well, you're responsible for that. Don't give up the right to believe in that you got, you had your hands on the wheel. When we're, when we're things are going well, we should not be so humble to believe that, oh, it's all just fate. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:25:05 I think God wants our hands on the wheel. And I think God's, my hunch is God's going, I got too many people relying on fate. Hmm. Yeah, that's a good point. take control of things you know when things are going there's a re give yourself the ownership of going i did that wouldn't cause all me right other things in the world happen that i'll never understand timing and fortune and everything but give ourselves credit when we look at the man and go you're

Starting point is 01:25:33 you're you're you're partially responsible that bud all right we go yeah yeah to build some sort of gravity within yourself you know and understanding yeah because there's because it doesn't I mean, and understand that there's, the hard part about when we're succeeding, I think, catching green lights, got our handle of the wheel, and we're just smooth into traffic and life's like that. The hard part is believing, oh, this is how it's going to always be. Oh, yeah. Because it ain't.

Starting point is 01:26:00 There comes, you'll blow a, blow a tire, man. Some goofball's going to run a red light and hit you. You're going to run out of gas. Something's going to go wrong. So there'll be times you don't have your hands on the wheel. You don't know where you're going. So knowing that those times are coming. and I think there's another reason to go,

Starting point is 01:26:16 well, when my hands are on the wheel and she's working out, let's look in the mirror and give myself a little bit of a wink here, boss. There you go. Let's turn our favorite music up a little bit and enjoy it a little bit. Drop the top. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:26:29 You know, there's one point you talked about prayer too that I thought was pretty cool. Prayer is worship, putting our heart above our head. It's a beautiful sentiment, man. Prayer comes from worship, which means to literally bow down so we can put our heart above our head. So it's a physical, engineered act

Starting point is 01:26:49 to listen to our heart, compassion, kindness, forgiveness, peace, above our head. And we live in a world that is all, we're told, head above heart, man, make it more, quantity, win, however you do it. Head up, look at the Jumvatron. Right. And the humility of putting your heart above your head literally just physiologically is such a cool image

Starting point is 01:27:13 for what that's for, and I don't think a lot of people, I didn't know, that that is what prayer is actually engineered for. That's why you bow. You bend a knee and you bow to put your head below your heart and your heart above your head so you can hear the sacred within you. And the sacred's coming from the heart and soul. I'm all for knowledge that we gain in our head. And we need knowledge to understand reason. Yeah. But there's a lot of stuff that we don't, the math doesn't add up. And that's, that's like, languages of the soul, and it's not supposed to add up. And I think that's part of the pursuit of God. That's what I've always, I think God loves a scientist because that scientists are the practical

Starting point is 01:27:52 pursuit of God. Well, there's some spiritual stuff that we're not supposed to be able to make sense of. I agree. It's what faith comes from. Everything doesn't have a balance sheet. Everything you can't figure out. Everything, like, especially emotions, you can't, you can't, like, there's not a lot of math on them. No. Yeah. No. Like instincts, all of that kind of stuff. I think, like, Like that's something I want to lean even more into in my life. It's just like believing, like, there's not, I just have to know. I have to know that what this feeling I have inside of me is real. I don't need to read an article to tell me.

Starting point is 01:28:23 I don't need to read this or know this. Even if somebody shows me some fool's gold that they believe in, I have to know that this God created compass inside of me has some semblance of of direction and factuality, you know. And it takes a lot of trust and faith. to do that and it ain't easy and i you know one that i always give myself a little amnesty on is from this benedictic monk named thomas mariton and he said god i believe it that trying to please you pleases you so sometimes when we don't know i think it's okay to give herself a little

Starting point is 01:29:07 pat on the back and go least i'm trying and i kind of trust that that pleases god that i'm I'm giving an effort. Yeah, some grace, huh? Yeah, grace. Yes, sir. Give ourselves some grace. Well, thank you, Matthew. I'll just pray, yeah, thanks for taking time to even contribute this to the world,

Starting point is 01:29:26 help people think. There's a lot of neat things to think about in here, like just leadership, courage, little avenues. Yeah. I think it's something that I wrote down here. Carve and burn was one that I was. Carvin burn, the wheat from the chaf, the fat. From the meat.

Starting point is 01:29:39 Yeah, man. We got a. In the name of transformation. That's that weed pull. and we were talking about the top of the show. We got to tend our own garden, man, around our soul, make sure we're pulling the weeds. Because you can look down, you can go,

Starting point is 01:29:50 where's that diamond? Yeah. Where did it go? Oh, it's covered in all the weeds I let grow. I know. In the name of transformation, die a little instead of completely. I really like that.

Starting point is 01:30:00 Yeah. That's really about, like, having that extra beat of courage, that extra, you know, just believing that there's, that there's something here if you just stay in this space, you know. transformation comes with sacrifice and that's part of dying a little bit if you're nothing but transactional all the way through life not transformate if you're only transactional relationships

Starting point is 01:30:25 if you're only seeking work or things that can only pay your your bank account or things that are definitely that are that are quantifiable right that you know the outcome right there's not a lot of faith in that definitiveness no and that transaction if it's purely for transaction if our life is purely transactional, then you die, in the end, you die all the way. You die a lot. You're dead. All right. Transformational, you will die a little because you make it a sacrifice to live forever.

Starting point is 01:31:00 Yeah, it's cool, man. There's a lot of neat stuff to think about in here. A lot of prayer, too, do you have kind of a prayer practice or what's that been like in your life? Or what did you even learn when you were a kid? Do you remember the first time that you ever prayed? Yeah. We can finish on that conversation.

Starting point is 01:31:13 First prayers. My mom was a big baseline gratitude, and we grew up Methodist, which is, you know, wasn't a lot of fire and brimstone. It was more, be thankful for what you have and try to multiply that with yourself and others. And I remember if we come to the breakfast table, like kind of grumpy or something, my mom would be in there cooking breakfast and she'd grab us by the arm, walk us back down to our bedroom and go, you get in bed, and you get in bed.

Starting point is 01:31:42 She goes, no, no, back under the cover. She already dressed, getting back on the cover. She goes, don't you come to my breakfast table where I'm cooking you on my breakfast until you're ready to see the rose in the vase instead of dust on the damn table. She's like, oh, geez, I'm coming back. So you came back, hey, good morning, mom, there we go, good morning. She's like, never happened. Or, you know, we arguing about, man, I got this one pair of cape of shoes and they got holes in a man,

Starting point is 01:32:04 I need another pair of shoes, you know. You better quit bitching about having no shoes. I'm going to introduce you the kid with no feet. Whoa, jeez. So she was big on baseline gratitude. Yeah. And going, before you get into, you know, being upset or pouty about anything today, look outside this curtain.

Starting point is 01:32:24 Do you see the sun rose again? That was not a guarantee. Amen. Yeah, before you get how you feel about it, let's look at the facts. Let's look at what gift was given. Now we may have a hard day. We may have something we've got to work with, but that's baseline gratitude that you cannot, do not take for granted.

Starting point is 01:32:39 And now I have a tool to work with it with. You show up some gratitude. It certainly makes things smoother. Do you think, last question, do you think that, and this is back to football, because do you think that the Oklahoma, Texas, do you think those teams like being in the SEC now? Yes. You do. Yeah. Well, I know Texas does.

Starting point is 01:33:03 And look, I think Oklahoma does too, and I think A&M did when they got. I don't think, you know, there were rumblings that A&M didn't want us. us coming over there, but I think in their heart of hearts, they got, they got enough hoodspot they wanted us to come there. They wanted to, let's get that rivalry going again. I know Texas wants to be there. Yeah. We want the greatest competition. We want to be in the greatest conference and we want the greatest competition and we want to push ourselves to to compete at that highest level. Yeah. It is exciting. Yeah, I just, we, I wondered that a little bit because, you know, you just get so used to things being a certain way, you know,

Starting point is 01:33:33 and you're like, and then something else comes in and I was like, do they really love it, you know? So, yeah, I was just curious. Thanks for helping me think, man. Good to see you today, bro. Good to see you, then. Yep. Congratulations. Thanks for sharing so many creative things with us over the years

Starting point is 01:33:48 and helping us have thoughts and feelings. Like, I've had a lot of emotion to your movies and been inspired and felt things and unfelt things, you know? Right. By watching your art over the years. And so thank you so much. Thank you for Greenlights. Thank you for this new book.

Starting point is 01:34:05 It's Out and Out Now, Poems and Prayers. Yeah, just a lot of good. stuff to fodder to think about and feel about so thank you so much man you're welcome good to be here yeah sir now i'm just floating on the breeze and i feel i'm falling like these leaves i must be cornerstone oh but when i reach that ground i'll share this piece of mind i found i can feel it Thank you.

This Past Weekend - #625 - Matthew McConaughey

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