This Past Weekend - #628 - Tucker Carlson

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Starting point is 00:01:43 We had him on previously, and we had a great time. He has his own podcast called The Tucker Carlson Show. He was just ranked one of the top 10 podcasts in America. Looking forward to spending time with him. And today's guest is Mr. Tucker Carlson. We want to support Alp, too, so I'm excited about that. That started on the show, which is kind of weird. That Alp started on the show?

Starting point is 00:02:22 Oh, yeah, that's right. It was your show. You did it. It's when they threatened me. It's when PMI, Philip Morris, wrote me this letter. You were on a well-known comedian's podcast and you said this is a better product. I was like, fuck you, and started my own.

Starting point is 00:02:34 And it's been really successful, so I'm grateful. So did they get upset about anything you said on the show? On your show? Yeah. Yeah, because I said it was like a boner cure or whatever. Oh, yeah. It's Viagra, which it totally is. You think nicotine helps your erection?

Starting point is 00:02:50 Yeah. Oh, I don't think it helps mine. You know, I don't think you're using enough. I mean, I've hit a, you know, hit a vape like I'm just, you know, like I'm keeping a train going, you know? Mid-act. Like, keeping like a Amtrak, like I'm leading an Amtrak. But it's hard to vape while you're actually engaged in, right? But that's the beauty of a pouch.

Starting point is 00:03:09 You can double up during. Oh, I like that. I mean, that's, well, it's have like a battery pack. Just what doctors recommend. I'm not, obviously. Nothing to do with me. I'm still like using fire, you know? It's like, if I'm sitting there just huffing on a vape, killing time.

Starting point is 00:03:23 Also, if you're not getting an erection, you're trying to kill time. time until you get one. That's the toughest thing that people never talk about about erectile dysfunction. Really? Yeah, because you're like... It's like waiting at the DMV kind of? Yeah, kind of. Waiting for some lady to call you? Is that, yeah, it's the same. If it's, maybe it's that girl, Bonnie Blue, she's like, number 49 or whatever. Not ready. Yeah, dude, yeah, that'd be crazy. Just give me a couple minutes. No, dude, the lies I would used to have to make up, because I had pretty bad erectile dysfunction, like in my 20s and the lies

Starting point is 00:03:54 enough to make up. Wait, wait, wait, without getting too personal. How did you have erectile this function in your 20s? Dude, I moved in with a guy who... Okay, mistake number one. Right, for sure, that didn't help. But that's because he had a script of wiener pills, and so I'd get over there,

Starting point is 00:04:11 so I'd nibble off of his wiener pills. And this is when winter pills were really first pop. When they were first out of the gate, when people, like, you had to get prescription, right? Now you can just do, like, telehealth. Now you can get some Indian guy I'll just mail you a bag of them, you know? And they have saffron on them,

Starting point is 00:04:29 which sometimes it's kind of a lot, but you take what you can get. But, but dude, I would stay over with him and he would, and he didn't notice, he would drink a lot, so he didn't notice sometimes I would,

Starting point is 00:04:40 like, cut one and a half or just take one, you know, but so I was living with like a 70-year-old dude just to cops part of his weiner peel script because. You were kept man. Viagra kept you there. But, dude, that was a crazy.

Starting point is 00:04:54 But when I think back of the reality of that, that was bonkers. Yeah, fair, even by L.A. standards, that's pretty far out. Usually you move in with a sugar daddy for like the cocaine or something, but you were there for the boner pills. But can I ask, how do you think you wanted up needing him in the first place at that age? Just too much mental, too much in my head, you know? Like I would try to be getting a boner or whatever, and my brain would be like, you got a little boner bitch or whatever. Like my brain did not like me, you know? So, and we had to, and we lived together.

Starting point is 00:05:22 And so it was like a constant battle. But then I think as I've gotten older and gotten more calm, it's been easier. It's just been more calm. That's so interesting. So you were like trying to defeat yourself. Yes. I would be like, or if I couldn't get it started, it was just like, man, you know. So then you're killing time.

Starting point is 00:05:43 Like, hey, you know, it's like you want to watch a pro. You know, it's like, let's put on a movie. You know, just like trying to kill time while you're waiting to get a boner. it's very, you know, you're, it's a, that's a tough gig. That should be an Olympic sport, I think. Like the biathlon. Yeah. It's weird, but there are a few people in the world really good at it.

Starting point is 00:06:00 Really? Yeah. Well, biathlon, for sure. I don't know, boner waiting. Biathlon is the cross-country skiing. Right, I don't think it's quite, it's not actually certified yet. But, no, biathlon is the cross-country skiing and then shooting. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:06:14 I have seen that. That's pretty fun. Well, it's wild because these guys are just like huffing. You know, imagine. being oxygen deprived and then trying to shoot straight or do anything, really. Oh, look, this is the skill we're all going to need probably in a few years if we want to survive. So I think that this is very important. Totally agree.

Starting point is 00:06:32 But does Alp, so Alp is your brand. Alp is our brand. We started it because of your show. Because the first and only other time I've been here, we were in some other city. We're in Belagio. We were in the Blasio. In Vegas, right. Sorry.

Starting point is 00:06:47 And I had it and you said, what's that? and I made a joke about how it was a marital aid or something, not even a funny joke. And then about a week later, I got a letter from the general counsel's office at Philip Morris International, which owns Zinn, and they said, you know, how dare you make unsubstantiated medical claims

Starting point is 00:07:05 about our product? And I was like, first of all, I'm shilling your product just to be nice because I like it. And now you're scolding me for making a boner joke, which, by the way, was a compliment. Yeah, if somebody's zenning and then they've suddenly,

Starting point is 00:07:16 they got that dong going, who cares? You know what I'm saying? I thought it was funny. I thought it was a compliment, but they were so corporate and nasty with me that I decided I'm going to make a competing product, and we did. And then around that time, probably about a week or two later, I asked around. I never really asked anyone about Zen, and I found out that almost every other person using Zen was using it rectally.

Starting point is 00:07:34 I literally had no idea. They were using it what? They were rectally. Yeah, they use it rectally. Most Zin users use it rectally, and I didn't know that. What? Where at? Like five Kappas or whatever?

Starting point is 00:07:45 No, no, no, no, just normal consumers of it. like, in fact, in a lot of places when you buy it, you get a little tube of, I don't know if you were bought it, you get a little tube of Vaseline and some surgical clubs. No, I'm serious. And I had no idea. And I was like, in a country of 350 million people, like there should be a pouch for your mouth.

Starting point is 00:08:02 You know, it shouldn't all be rectiluse. And by the way, I'm not in any way judging at all. I think it's consistent with, like, other parts of their lives. But whatever, I was like, this country needs an oral use-only pouch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so we made one. And so you guys made one. Yeah, but I didn't know any of that.

Starting point is 00:08:17 And I'm, like, hapless, you know, I'm putting it my mouth. And occasionally people would look at me, like, on a plane or whatever, I put at my mouth. And they would give me that look like, that's not what you're supposed to do with that. But I didn't even know. I didn't have any reference points for it. But, you know, you learn stuff as you age. Yeah. If you're using that third jaw, I think, to catch a, to catch a nicotine hit, that's pretty wild.

Starting point is 00:08:35 Well, the problem is you can overdo it and you forget, it's hard to keep track of how many are there. Oh, yeah. And you can just, a lot of things can have. I've never done it. But I have talked to people who are into it. Oh, it'll build up like a beaver dam back there, I feel like, you know, that's crazy. Tucker, good to see you, man. Here we are.

Starting point is 00:08:54 We've already discussed erectile dysfunction, which I admitted I had, which is definitely never going to help my dating life. But here we are. I think it makes you more relatable, less threatening. I bet you get a lot of calls after this, actually. Well, I will say this, though, if you took an erection pill, say you went on a date or something, it was going pretty well, and you took part of or you nibbled off a little piece because do not make the mistake

Starting point is 00:09:15 of taking a whole one. What happened? Dude, I couldn't even hug somebody goodbye. I was just like, you know, like, you're like in seventh grade again.

Starting point is 00:09:23 Oh, dude, yeah, yeah. Cabs were stopping. It was like, what do you want, you know? So that wasn't, that wasn't good, dude. Like, that was, yeah, you take a whole one, dude.

Starting point is 00:09:37 Yeah, people will start hanging their coats on you and stuff. It's really, it can be, a lot. But yeah, you would just nibble off enough. You started to gauge how much you needed you'd nibble off. I feel like you could become dependent on it though. Oh, you definitely did. But at a

Starting point is 00:09:49 certain point it like alleviated like the fear of like of this of a kind of of the it alleviated the fear. Your performance anxiety. Right. It kind of like so then after a while you didn't need it all the time. So it kind of. That sounds helpful. Yeah. It was kind of like training wheels in a way

Starting point is 00:10:07 type of thing. You know what I'm saying? Totally. Yeah. Like you use it and then you don't need it. Um, but yeah, dude, that was a weird time. Dude, I, one time, I was over there and, uh, so the dude, like, we only had, we only had one bedroom, so I would just sleep on the couch, right? You should have some more to the story? There's nothing more. Okay. So an older man moves you into his house and gives you boner pills, but it's totally on the level.

Starting point is 00:10:32 Like, there was nothing weird at all. My friend's dad. Oh, okay, okay, okay. My friend's dad. And I think he'd, like, cheated on his wife or something, so he got kicked out. Yeah. And so, and I was looking for. a place to live. Anyway, I used to go, like, I was learning the guitar at the time, and so

Starting point is 00:10:46 he would have this lady stay over sometimes, and he would have me come in there and play music to him in the dark and shit, and I just learned how to play tears in heaven. Just to, again, to stand back and, you know, with no prior knowledge of the story at all, but just to, like, assess the facts as you've laid them out, you get invited to live with an older man and a girl. He was athletic. He played tennis. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Who has a stash of boner pills, and then he invites you into the bedroom him with him and the girl to serenade them. Yes, at night, kind of at...

Starting point is 00:11:15 And this never got freaky at all, like, not for one. You're like, that's totally normal. Yeah, not at all. But it just, it was weird enough. It's the most L.A. story ever. It happened in Louisiana. Oh, no way. I was thinking you were like Cato Caelin in the guest house.

Starting point is 00:11:29 This happened in downtown New Orleans, dude. And I used to borrow his car. It wouldn't turn off. If you turned it off, you couldn't turn it back on. So you had to leave it running all the time, and you had to, like, put gas into it. So I'd use his car to go to school. over there at Loyola

Starting point is 00:11:43 and I would just leave it run I would just like leave it running all day dude anyway Tucker Carlson good to see you man it's great to see you great to see you congrats on Alp is it doing well

Starting point is 00:11:55 I remember I went to y'all's party last year and there was a lot of neat neat people there yeah Josh Smith was there I remember Lexi was there Mel Gibson was there last year did he come

Starting point is 00:12:09 that was really nice of him he's a great He's a great guy, and there are a lot of people. Yeah, no, it's actually done... Jimmy John was there? Love Jimmy John, Leottoe, one of my favorites. Vince Vaughn. Oh, you know, good guys. People who like nicotine.

Starting point is 00:12:21 Nicotine's super important. This country's gotten far sadder and less healthy since it was discouraged and it's coming back. And I think it shows. Like, people are just happier. But, no, the company's done... I've never been in business. I've never sold anything.

Starting point is 00:12:37 I've only talked for a living. I didn't grow up around business. I know nothing about it. I'm terrible at math. So, yeah, it's done really well, so well that I'm, I feel a little bit embarrassed. But we have a big factory near here, 14 manufacturing lines. And it's like, it's cool. Wow.

Starting point is 00:12:53 I like it. Yeah. It's actually been the single most amusing and purely fun thing I've ever done. Of course, I have no role in like the business. You never allow me near a business ever. But I'm super enthusiastic. I help pick the name and the business. design and the flavors. I know a lot about that because I'm a lifelong nicotine user over 40 years. I know a lot about

Starting point is 00:13:16 nicotine, but I know nothing of business. So I'm not involved in any of that. My college roommate runs it and is, you know, my best friend. So I, but I hear about it. But basically, yeah, it's been wildly successful because I think people want a pouch that you can put in your mouth. You don't have to put it in your butt. And a lot of people felt like they did. There's just a lot of pressure to do that. And you feel it all around you. Like, oh, it's totally cool. All the guys are doing it. And some Some people are like, I'm not going to do that. Yeah, and I don't want to have to go to like a Tiesto or a John Summit or a levity concert or have to go to like a widespread panic concert to get somebody to boo-fit into my butt through a straw or something.

Starting point is 00:13:52 It's like, how do you even get help getting it in if you need help? Well, I think that's part of it. I think for a lot of people's in as a group activity, like it happens, you know, with like friends. Yeah. But, and that's fine. Tees in here, like that type of thing. Totally. I can't believe that was the song I played, and that's what they made me play, dude.

Starting point is 00:14:13 Would you know... Shut up! That's the only first... When you were serenating the boner pill guy and his girlfriend? Yeah, what do you think I would play? I only knew that in every rose as its thorn. Come on! Those are like two of the beginner songs, man.

Starting point is 00:14:25 Wow. I was pretty good. I don't think it would be like brown-eyed girl or something, older guy. Oh, definitely. Well, brown-eyed girl, definitely if you're using one of those pouches you're talking about, dude. Yeah. But that's, like, kind of a classic boomer kicked out of the house. with his younger girlfriend.

Starting point is 00:14:40 Play brown-eyed girl. You know, it's kind of... Oh, yeah. I thought brown-eyed girl is something dealing with somebody's butt, you know? Hey, where did we go? Ooh. Days when the...

Starting point is 00:14:51 When the rains came. When the rains came. Down in the hollow. Playing a new... So good. Playing a new game. You know what I'm saying? So.

Starting point is 00:15:01 BLM, homie. Tucker Carlson's here, dude. Dude, you just... I just saw you got a top 10 podcast. One of the top 10 podcasts. in America. Do you see that? Really? No, I didn't. I didn't. Did you see that? Really? I didn't. I honestly didn't know that. No, it's, we have a rule

Starting point is 00:15:17 in our office, which we've stuck with for like, like three, over 30 years now, to wherever I've worked, like, no compliments. I don't believe in that. So you don't ever want to work with people who compliment you at all, and you know when it's hitting and you can feel when you're doing what you're supposed to be doing, but having people around you're like, oh, we're kicking ass, you're so great. Yeah. Like, that's the fastest way to rot your soul and just become an asshole and having spent my life around assholes. I'm like, oh, I don't want to be that. So no, no, no, there's never any talk about that ever. Well, but I'm glad to know that. It's better than being in the, I've certainly been in the bottom

Starting point is 00:15:54 many times in my life. You know what I mean? I had ratings that were so bad at one network I worked at that there was some questions as to whether, given the margin of error, anyone was watching, like anyone, any human being was actually watching. Yeah. Like, Nielsen couldn't tell you really. with precision. Right. So I've been there. Dang. Yeah, well, now you're not there anymore.

Starting point is 00:16:13 I mean, it is fascinating, especially this year how quickly people have gone away from cable. Do you have cable? I don't even know if I have it. Right. I mean, mostly I watch sports and then I'll just work a lot. Totally. And there's just a lot of stuff. Like, you can spend your life texting.

Starting point is 00:16:28 How many people do you text with every day? Oh, right. Too much. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, you were a top ten, man. So pretty cool. And you also got anti-Semite of the year. Did I win?

Starting point is 00:16:38 No, I don't, you also got nominated for anti-Semite of the year. Bryce Mitchell is campaigning, it feels like, so. He is, uh, I love Bryce. I know. He was there, his son's name Tucker, by the way, I'm proud to say. His son is so cute, too. He's unbelievable. Did I see his son of your party last year?

Starting point is 00:16:53 Yes, yes, and his wonderful wife, yeah. The funny thing is, I'm not even an anti-Semite and I'm against anti-Semitism. I agree. How did that even, like, every day for the last 10 years? I don't think, I think it is immoral to. judge people on qualities they can't control that they're born with. I don't think that people are guilty by virtue of their blood. That's why I disagree with the Netanyahu cabinet. They believe the Palestinians are subhuman because they're Palestinian. And I just, that's an attitude

Starting point is 00:17:22 that's anti-Christian. I totally reject it. I've criticized them for that specifically. And so I'm completely opposed to anti-Semitism. And so, and I mean it too. And by the way, if I was an anti-Semitism, at this stage, be like, yeah, I'm an anti-Sore. I love Hitler. I would just say it. Like, why not? I probably have the number one podcast. I guess, do I said that? But I'm being totally sincere. I'm opposed to it. So why do they keep calling you that? Me, that. And I know one of these guys very well in here.

Starting point is 00:17:49 I said I know Bryce, but I know another person on the bottom. I know two of them. I know Anna, too. They're not only are not anti-Semites. They think anti-Semitism is immoral. So why do they call you something that you're not and that they know you're not? They do it to make you into what they call you. they are trying to make you a hater. And that is like the key insight I've had over the last year.

Starting point is 00:18:15 It's like I used to think, like people would always call me racist. And I would do these like long monologues, like actually, I'm not a racist. I would say so if I was. I kind of like black people, but it's not even, it has nothing to do with whether I like black people

Starting point is 00:18:28 or don't. I don't know a couple jerseys or whatever. I kind of do, but even if I didn't, hating people on the basis of racist and moral. And so I do these like long monologues and I would stay up and write them, you know, at home and be like, I'm going to tell the truth. And everyone would be like,

Starting point is 00:18:41 shut up, racist. And I'd be like, what is this? They could criticize me for my real faults, which are super obvious, you know? Um, I think they're very obvious. I get mad. I overstate things. I always gain a shit ton of weight every summer. Like, I have faults that are obvious to everybody, but they never attack me on those. They attack me on the things that I'm not. Why? And this year I finally figured it out. It's like they want to make you into a hater. Why? Two reasons. One to control you. This is like a form of control. Why? Because then they can label you? Sure. Then you're a Nazi. It's like you don't need to, first you can kill Nazis, right? So it's obviously to get you killed is part of it. But part of it is much deeper and it's spiritual. And that is that evil feeds on hate. They want more

Starting point is 00:19:27 hate. And what's evil? How do we know if something's evil? Well, by its fruits. Is this someone who's lying, angry, promoting violence, chaos, division, that's evil. I mean, that's literally the definition of evil and good is its opposite. It's unity, peace, happiness, love, order, cleanliness, or whatever. You know, it's the virtues are really obvious, the sins are really obvious. And so evil feeds on hate. They want more hate. So I look at someone like Mark Levine, who was a guy I used to know.

Starting point is 00:20:02 you know what i've never had strong feelings about the guy one or the other he's all into israel whatever i don't care be all into israel i was never against israel i'm still not really that against israel but whatever i watch mark levin like go down this path where he's like crazed he's crazed it's almost like he's being attacked by bees or something like there's no peace in that man at all i can't imagine what it's i'm not being mean i'm being sincere that guy works tirelessly to make people hate him. Same with rabbi butt plug. Same with a bunch of these people you see on the internet where it's like, is this guy trying to win people over? Just the opposite. He's trying to alienate them. He's trying to make people hate him. Why? Because that's the nature of evil. It feeds

Starting point is 00:20:44 on hate and goodness feeds on love. And you're around, if you're around a decent, honest person, you just feel this like warmth and attraction and calm, right? You feel this around. Yeah, for sure. And I think it gives to trust your own guiding light at a certain point. A hundred at every Every point. Of what is... Every point. Good and what is not. You...

Starting point is 00:21:02 But you know it. I don't even think... Like, we're so past rational argument. I mean, I've proven that by like every week dutifully doing the... Actually, I'm against anti-Semitism. I hate anti-Semitism. Shut up. Hitler.

Starting point is 00:21:17 Obviously, we're not at a point, sadly, in our history where rational debate makes any difference at all. They don't care. Yeah. Charlie Kirk dedicated his life to it. They just shot him in the neck. Like, they don't... They're not interested. They're not winnable.

Starting point is 00:21:28 we're at a stage where the only thing you can trust is God, the love of other people, and your own God-given instincts. Like, that is it. That's the guide, period. Yeah, I mean, your pilot light of what, you have to really lock into your pilot light of what do you feel like is right and wrong.

Starting point is 00:21:46 Exactly. Don't you think you know it, too? I think at this point, you have to trust that more than ever. You have to trust it. Right. Exactly. But the knowledge is pre-existent. Like, it's already in you.

Starting point is 00:21:55 You know, like, your dog doesn't need to be told who hates them. And the dog's like, you know, he barks to the people who hate him. He knows and he doesn't lie to himself. Yeah. Do you feel that? Oh, I think we've been lying ourselves or we've been passive about evil showing up in our world, I think. Yes. I definitely believe that.

Starting point is 00:22:12 And some of those things I want to talk about for sure. I mean, I saw this list. And I'm like, well, first of all, Miss Rachel's on it. That's when they lost me. I was like, what are you guys doing? If Miss Rachel has to come out, because she was obviously anti the Warren Gaza, anti the genocide, and we've spoken up about it. I mean, there's no doubt in my heart in mind that it's a genocide. People can have other thoughts that they want, and that's fine.

Starting point is 00:22:38 If you have your thoughts, that's great. I'm glad that you do. It just seems like that is a wrong thing. There was not a lot of question about it for me. Like, I learned about the history of the land, and then I was like, this, well, this is just wrong. There's no reason that these children have to be getting killed, that they're experimenting with different weapons and different tactics on this kind of like basically these this imprisoned group over there um and then when they when i saw this in ms rachel and i was like what are we doing like what do you need bert and ernie to come out and say that it's a genocide like at what point do people not trust what they're seeing anymore i think i'm kind of a may that that that's the part that's made me think sometimes

Starting point is 00:23:19 like i'm in this weird blender or aquarium it's like yeah it's like should more people speak up have not an, like, it almost, like, why do you feel crazy for speaking up? Like, it just should feel like there's more. But then it's not my place to think that somebody else should feel the same way or should feel okay about sharing stuff. And it gets kind of scary, you know? It definitely gets super scary, you know? Why?

Starting point is 00:23:47 I think because, you know, I think you don't know the, you don't really know what's going on. I think that's what it is. And if they would just say, hey, America is a country that's owned by Israel or that it's always been just this outpost or it's this LLC of Israel or it's this or maybe not even of Israel. It could just be of corporate entities. I'm not really sure exactly. But if they would just tell us, then you can operate from a place of knowing what's going on. But for some reason, there's this weird secretiveness about stuff. and when things are secret, it feels evil

Starting point is 00:24:27 because it feels like it's in the dark, right? And then when you see, like, we're watching people dying and kids dying, and it's supposed to feel like it's just in with the next reel and the next trend dance or whatever. It's just, it all becomes confusing. And so those are moments where you do have to lock in, you know, just prayer asking God, what am I supposed to do? Just trusting, like, the part inside of yourself

Starting point is 00:24:53 that you feel like you've developed over time that's honest, I guess, or just trying to trust your heart, you know? I don't know, does that make any sense even? Not only does it make sense, it's so beautifully expressed, yes, it makes perfect sense. And I think a lot of people watch, I'll speak for myself,

Starting point is 00:25:11 I've been brooding on this because my whole job is to try and find out what's happening and then explain it. And it's just an endless series of frustrating cul-de-sacs where you're like, why can't we know this, that, the other thing? I mean, whatever the story is. And in the last two weeks, I feel like I've gotten closer to understanding what's actually

Starting point is 00:25:33 going on. And of course, I could be completely wrong, but I'm not. And it's made me so much happier because the conclusion, I've sort of let go of a lot of my frustration and fear because I've realized that we already know exactly what this is. I don't know a lot of the details, you know, could be wrong. about this or that, you know, but big picture, we know exactly what's going on. And I think at this point that if all the information on all these different threads, whatever it is, especially the

Starting point is 00:26:02 murders, not just the recent murders, or attempted murders, but the, you know, the more historical ones, if all the relevant information came out tomorrow, would we be surprised? No, we wouldn't, we know what's up, actually. And there's enough evidence, but also our instincts tell us just by watching, like, what is this? And I agree with you completely. It's not just about Israel, this country. It's about whether or not self-government actually exists. Like, do any of these countries have a system where the people decide who their leaders are and what the country should do collectively? Not really. Or it's more complex than that. Yes, I think elections are to some extent real and all that. But in the end, the big decisions are made not by,

Starting point is 00:26:52 nations or kings or presidents or whatever we imagine. They're made by, you know, the world's richest people. And no, I don't think that's an ethnic group. It's not code language for the Jews. It's what it seems to be. It's the people with the biggest stake in this who have the most to gain and the most to lose are never going to leave the big decisions to like three zip codes in Pennsylvania. Like, come on now.

Starting point is 00:27:20 Come on now. Yeah. Come on, son. Like, you know that that's true. And I'm not saying, by the way, I'm not claiming, you know, the all elections are totally rigged or whatever. The source code belongs to Maduro. I'm not making any specific claims like that because I don't know if they're true or not. But I know that big picture. If we, we know that Kennedy was pushing up against some forbidden things. And that's why he was killed. And who killed him? Well, it's not, it's too easy to say it was this group or that group or this group. It was all those groups acting in concert or parts of those groups acting in concert. Of course. course. That's all of what this is, right? Do you feel that? I like what you said about if all the pieces came out, would you be that surprised? Like if they laid the cards completely out. Epstein, for example, you know, the one that everyone's. Right. I feel like that whole thing is some sort of, I think there's something, there's definitely stuff there, but then also it's been such a kickball and a ruse for so long. It's like both political parties had a chance to put it out or to get, none of these people are operating on our behalf. That's what it feels like.

Starting point is 00:28:19 Well, that's kind of the truth that I'm talking about. That's what we would learn. That's what's scary. If all of this came out. It feels like, well, so many of us believe and have believed and have forefathers that have spilled their blood and risked their lives and have friends who are enlisted now to protect this thing that I feel like we, this idea of America. Yes. And then that idea has gotten super blurry.

Starting point is 00:28:49 in the past few years and especially at a time when I think a lot of people like there's a lot of fears with like technology in the future and not knowing like where we're going to find our sense of purpose right that's a big thing that we talk about on this show a lot of time is like you know where where do you find your sense of purpose and people find it a lot of times in their job through their family in their country through their religion through their faith so you know some of those start to go away and some of those even look blurred for the future, almost like it's like Marty McFly when he looks at that picture and it looks like he doesn't even exist, you know? And so it starts to make you think like, you know, if more

Starting point is 00:29:30 of our purpose disappears and our traditions are challenged by media over the years that they're not, that they're wrong or they're racist or they're this or they're that, then you kind of end up with just, I don't know, it makes you feel like, well, what do I end up even, what even is the value of me at a certain point? I have the answer. I have the answer. Okay. And I don't also want to sound too dour. Like, I'm also looking at it from that perspective. You're speaking for millions of people when you say this. Like, everyone can feel, I think people feel exactly what you're saying.

Starting point is 00:30:00 And I still also feel like a lot of moments of hope of like, you know, like, okay, so I focus on my family. I focus on my friends. I focus on doing something nice for someone. I focus on somebody else other than myself. You know, I do those things that do give you feelings of meaning and purpose, right? So, anyway, I'm not trying to be like a Debbie Downer, but go on. Just the opposite. And by the way, I just want to amplify what you just said because that is the answer. And those aren't just feelings of meaning and purpose. That's the definition of meaning and purpose is to love the people around you. Not people you've never met. Not abstract concepts. Communism, fascism, Zionism, whatever. Your ideology is no, it's people. That's what it means to live a meaningful life is to serve other people. And by other people, I mean people who are physically present, who are connected to you in organic ways, like your relatives. your friends, your coworkers, your roommates,

Starting point is 00:30:52 the people God puts in your path. Those are the people you love. Your waitress. Like, that's what it really means to love people. So that's, number one, always. Love the people around you. And whenever I run into people, like, I just want to save the world,

Starting point is 00:31:07 or I want to come up with a new system to make everyone happy forever. And we're going to call it, whatever we're calling it. Ketim. Ket me. Ket me. Yeah, and that's bailing out there.

Starting point is 00:31:15 There's people falling asleep at the car wash. They just had a guy. He fell asleep in there. Yeah, well, those of us who've already been down the drug path are a little skeptical of being saved by drugs. Oh, for sure, but it's also dangerous. Some of those brushes are sharp in there. Like, I fucking fell asleep in that car wash. He was in for two cycles.

Starting point is 00:31:33 Yeah, that a sedan that went through. And finally, someone in the back seats saw him on the side. That dude was in there getting polished up. You know? And he was a ketamine cash. Yeah, and he was ketamined up. He was all ked out. He was in a Khole or something.

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Starting point is 00:36:08 and believed in and died for, as you said, were all, in some sense, illusory. They were fake, because it gave us the false impression that we have control, whether it's over our government or the future or whatever. We don't have any control. We are on a commercial airliner in a thunderstorm.

Starting point is 00:36:24 Okay, that's just what it is. And if you're in 17B, you have no control over whether the plane lands safely or crashes. You just don't. You have no control. We have to metabolize that.

Starting point is 00:36:35 Like, accept that. And once you do, there's total freedom in that. I actually can't protect myself really, as we say in my family, our, like, family motto is, there is no safety, there's only destiny. There is no safety, there's only destiny. And that's, like, the deepest truth of life.

Starting point is 00:36:54 Like, we're not the authors of our lives. We can't really control that much about them, except a couple of things. Do we love the people around us, and do we tell the truth? And if you want to prepare yourself for the turmoil that's only going to accelerate, this is all obvious, all of us can feel. The reason we're also freaking anxious is we can feel that this is the prelude to, like, real turbulence. Like every person. Dogs can feel a thunderstorm coming three hours out. We can feel that. Oh yeah. You'll see your neighbor just doing circles in your yard. A hundred percent, dude.

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Starting point is 00:38:13 Do you believe that our country is compromised? Do I believe it's compromised? Yeah. Yeah, I do. Do you believe that it's reversible? You know, I believe so, I mean, again, I'm so old. I'm 56, so, like, I just grew up believing in everything, you know. You're younger than Leanne Morgan.

Starting point is 00:38:36 We just had her in here. Really? Have you ever listened to her? No. Does she seem old? No, she's great, dude. Both of you guys look great. Really, she's older than I am?

Starting point is 00:38:45 Yeah, she told me she was, unless she was lying. I don't believe her. There's that new thing. A lot of women do that. They pretend to be a lot older. That's like the true Jedi move for a woman to be like, actually, I'm 61. Like, a conventional woman always be like, actually, I'm 29, but the really smart ones would be like, I'm almost 70. Yes.

Starting point is 00:39:02 That's how they do it. That's right. She's a wonderful, beautiful comedian, and she's hilarious. But anyway, she was just a senior, but she's 60 years old. I bet she uses nicotine. Great. I bet she does, she did smoke. She said in college.

Starting point is 00:39:15 Yeah, see, and look what it did for her. And she wears tight bras because she says it keeps her awake. So I love her. But yeah, do you think it's reversed? And I guess that's a big question. And also, going back to what you said a little bit ago, like you said, but then I look at the history of time and it's like, people have always been under the thumb of some type of rule, haven't they?

Starting point is 00:39:36 And so for us to be like, I mean, it's weird. it's like part of you it's like you're supposed don't be a baby about it you know like you're just being a right like there's some sort of oppression and even as people that can feed themselves we're not as oppressed as so many other people or people that if they turn on the light

Starting point is 00:39:52 they're afraid it's going to activate a bomb in the corner of their room I did her with a guy who works for us last night literally last night and I said where are you where are you born he goes I was born in Eritrea but I grew up in a Sudanese refugee camp I came to the United States

Starting point is 00:40:07 he's an amazing guy and a wonderful, wonderful guy. But I was like, gosh, you know, I'm really, I'm from La Jolla. Right. Stop whining. Dude, this is my internal dialogue. Stop whining.

Starting point is 00:40:19 Stop whining. I had to fly Southwest yesterday. Oh, no one suffered more than me. Yeah, La Jolla. But La Jolla is for sure the lap of luxury of America. Oh, yeah. And almost every single childhood friend of mine was totally destroyed. Really?

Starting point is 00:40:33 Not all, but most. Oh, for sure. Just by the, uh... Drugs. Wow. Drugs. Good drugs, too. Oh, the best.

Starting point is 00:40:41 They did not put baby laxative in our cocaine growing up. No, no, no, no. That was a ghetto thing. Yeah, yeah, no, no. We had, it was almost blue. We had to wear diapers. It had so much baby laxative.

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Starting point is 00:41:05 there's always been a rule. There's always been something like that. I think that... The older you are, the saturday. it is to see your illusion shattered and the harder it is to pivot. So if you talk to people who were like 23 and you're like, I think the moon landing's fake, they're like, yeah, Gramps, it was always fake. Like, what are you talking about? Right, who the fuck thought it was real? Look at the video one time. Exactly. So that's a, it's kind of crazy. Someone, one, a friend of mine who's

Starting point is 00:41:27 unfortunately gone insane, but was a genius called James Carville. One said me, goes, James Carville from the Democratic Party's from Louisiana. Oh, he lives in New Orleans. Oh, yeah. No, I know him well and he he's gone crazy and whatever but he really was in his prime like a genius and someone I listened to very carefully and he once said to me I'm never forget we're in a restaurant in some foreign country and he goes you know people misunderstand

Starting point is 00:41:47 the theory of evolution and I was like I can't even do his accent but he'd be like survival of the fittest that's bullshit that's not what he was saying and I said well what was he saying it's it's survival of the most flexible it's adaptability and he had this whole incredible rap about

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Starting point is 00:42:29 No, you need to be able to move with the moment that you live in. And so I feel like young people are in a pretty good spot. But yes, for older people, it's hard to, it's very upsetting. I'm sure you feel it. You're much younger than I, but you still feel like, oh my gosh, I thought this was real and it's not. And it's like heartbreaking. It's crushing. I see it a lot in like just my, probably my mother and things like that, see their disappointment kind of or just uncertainty about what's going on.

Starting point is 00:42:58 And they love the country so much because it's real. It's sincere love, too. That's the thing. I mean, it's like it's something that's beautiful that you felt like was. a certain way. And now maybe some ethnicities and cultures didn't feel like it was that way. And so sometimes I can understand that there's different points of view there, but I still believe that the idea of America and what it's been, and that it's goals, and that the humans that want it to be that are, that it's altruistic, you know? A hundred percent. But that you start to realize,

Starting point is 00:43:26 oh, that these powers above us, they have something different going on and that they, you would think that they would, I guess they just won't tell us, you know. And so I think that's where some of my fear is. It's just like, well, evil thrives in darkness. So there's no doubt about that. Yeah, it's like, what does it mean to be part of something moving forward? What does that thing even look like? Like, if I'm a citizen here now, what is, in five years, what is, what am I a citizen of? If I am I a citizen of a country that does genocides, am I a citizen, you know, who am I? You know, like, I think I was watching some of the Gaza stuff and I kept thinking like, well, surely America will come in at some point and help.

Starting point is 00:44:03 And stop this. Right. That was like my thought. Especially since when you say genocide, you're not guessing. It's not like some propaganda term. It's the definition. And we know that not just from the video of its victims, but from the testimony of the people perpetrating it.

Starting point is 00:44:21 Members of the current government, hot cabinet secretaries in the current Israeli government are on tape, including this week, saying, We kill them because of how they were born. Is that true? Oh my, yeah. Yeah. Like what's an example of that? Smotrich, Ben-Kivir.

Starting point is 00:44:37 Oh, many, look, we need to get them out. Let me see that, man. These are people who are born there. I just want to see if that's. Oh, it's insane. It is? Because look, people, you know, you often hear apologists for what's happening there for the atrocities say,

Starting point is 00:44:51 well, look, it's war, people die. Okay, one of the reasons I'm not that enthusiastic about war, because innocence die. We always have to oppose the murder of innocence, or else we're not civilized. What is civilization? We're on the good side. We're civilized. They're savages. There are a lot of savages in this world. I know some. And what separates the savage from the civilized person is the civilized person will never accept the murder of innocence. You didn't do anything wrong.

Starting point is 00:45:17 We can't kill you. It's that simple. Well, just, I don't like if it's unfair. But that's the definition of unfair. You didn't do anything. A child didn't do anything. Yeah. Or an unarmed woman did not deserve to be murdered. And who is this? Okay, so that's the finance minister of Israel. The truth is, until the last hostage returns, we shouldn't even give water to the Gaza Strip. For a year and a half, we've been beating the hell out of Hamas.

Starting point is 00:45:51 We're breaking Gaza apart, leaving it as a pile of rubble. With total unprecedented destruction in the world, and the world still hasn't stopped. us. The aim is to achieve the one and only required outcome, the conquest of Gaza, the annihilation of Hamas, and a return of all the hostages, in one word, victory. So that's their view on it right there, you know? He's saying we're killing people and leveling the country in order to move the population out. So how is that different from saying there's certain people in my capital city, I don't want here, I'm going to put them on trains and move them east? There's no difference. are being killed and expelled from the place where they were born because of their bloodline.

Starting point is 00:46:37 That in the world that I grew up in, which is the United States of America, the main lesson, the lesson of World War II, the reason we fought against fascism was we reject that. We do not kill people or expel them or put them on trains or put them in internment camps or move them to, quote, third countries, as Smotius just said, because of how they were born. Exactly, because of their bloodline. because we don't accept that because we're Christians. We think that every person was created as an individual and judged as an individual, period.

Starting point is 00:47:04 We don't believe in this shit. That's the enemy of civilization right there. The Israelis, to be clear, are not the only people who think this way. Plenty of people think this way. But we are better than all of them because we don't think this way. And all of a sudden, you've got people in the United States,

Starting point is 00:47:19 current United States government, you've got people in our media class. They're all defending this because they agree with it. And then you see people jumping up and being like, Muslim shouldn't have jobs in the United States. and it's like, or in the U.S. government, it's like, how is that better than saying Jews shouldn't have jobs or Christians or Buddhists? It's all the same. That kind of thinking is genocidal. It leads to the genocide we're watching right now in Gaza and to many other genocides.

Starting point is 00:47:40 For the fifth time, it's not just Israel. It does this, okay? But this is what we're fighting against. This is why we're better. Why are we better? Because we have more, and better shopping? Or because we have, you know, Mount Shasta and Key West? No. Because we have some moral compass that. Exactly. And we're able to also take care of ourselves at the same time, I think. But our moral compass is what? It's based on what's north, what's north at our moral compass? We don't kill innocence. And yes, we have, and we regret it, and we grieve over it because it's wrong.

Starting point is 00:48:13 That's our moral compass right there. If you didn't do anything wrong, we don't get to kill you or expel you from your home because you're innocent, because we believe in justice, also called fairness. That's the whole fucking point of this country. And so when I see people arguing against that or calling me a Nazi when they're literally wholesale adopting the Nazi mindset, but then I think, you know what, I'm not mad. This is the state of play in life. It's always been this way. And my job is what? To love the people around me and to tell the truth no matter what. And I think that's freeing. Yeah. Well, I think, I do think once you say, like, yeah, if I get to a point where I can just share what I think or what I feel, whether I'm right or wrong, if I can speak up for my feelings. But then also, if you look at our history, we kind of, America did that to other people when it started. Yes. And you would think that we'd learn that it was wrong. And that's where we are now. Well, we've acknowledged that it's wrong, I think. I mean, look, there's a, you can acknowledge something that's wrong without, you know, self-flagellating to the point where you're incapable of, like, going forward, which is kind of where we are.

Starting point is 00:49:20 It's like, you can't do it to the point where you're incapable of going forward. Like, oh, well, we also, this, this mistake was made, not by us. This mistake was made by people in the past or at that time who believed that colonialism was fine and that was a different, people were playing by a different set of rules. But that's the whole point of America is that we have, like, standards of, of, of decency, fairness, I love to use that work, because that is the core of it. It's fairness. Justice is overused. Fairness is underuse. It's just a child knows what's fair. If his brother's getting three Oreos and he's getting one, that's just unfair. He doesn't have a degree in economics. He just feels it. He knows it. The sense of fairness is innate. Dogs have it because it's

Starting point is 00:49:57 part of the natural fabric. It's organic. And we are a fair country. And the rich man gets the same treatment in the justice system as the poor man. It doesn't matter where you're from. both citizens and you're both equal because you're both created by God. That's our whole system in one sentence and that is being eroded because the people who run our system agree with Smotrich and every other third world dictator. These people are damned by their birth, whatever they are. That's what affirmative action is. It's like, no, I don't like the way your parents looked. You don't get the job. What? That's what we hated about the Nazis. What we hated about segregation, which I want to say was evil. Segregation was evil. Why? Because it punished some people and rewarded others

Starting point is 00:50:37 on the basis of things they couldn't control their skin color. Yeah, and we'd had mixed babies a lot sooner, too, which are pretty cute, a lot of them. To be honest with you. There are all kinds of other effects. But, like, the fairness is what we need to preserve. Why is Epstein infuriating? Because it's unfair.

Starting point is 00:50:50 That's why. Not because he molested kids or his buddies molested kids. It's because the president of Harvard was involved in it. Alan Dersh, with all these famous people. Prince retarded, whatever the guy in Great Britain, the kind of retarded-looking prince. Yeah, that guy is. Bill Gates, all the most.

Starting point is 00:51:07 powerful people in the world got away with it. And there's tons of child molestation in America, but there's the expectation that they'll be punished for doing it. These people we know in our hearts will never be punished because they're rich. That's unfair. We don't know for sure that they molested children, though. We don't. We don't know for sure. But we know that there's never been a real inquiry into it because the people around it were powerful and rich. That we can say for sure. And that's still happening. Okay. Well, that I'll say is that, yeah, there's obvious that there's not of, it feels like there's an unfair investigation

Starting point is 00:51:41 that's, or a lack of investigation, or it's just this lie that keeps getting remodeled. It's this clay of a lie that keeps getting remodeled and put into the museum in front of us all the time. But go to all your neighbors on the street and ask them. Oh, everybody thinks something happened. No, but ask them, like, if you, if your name popped up as like a visitor to Petto Island 11 times,

Starting point is 00:52:02 do you think you would, like, be protected in the way that all these other people have been protected? of course not. You have no money in power. You'd be ground beneath them. Oh, Dershowitz had a fast pass, I think if anybody had one. That guy's unbelievable. I don't know, but I don't know anything. That's just allegedly so I have to pee really fast. Good, I'm going to go too. You are? Can we go together

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Starting point is 00:52:35 No, but I mean, I'm literally, I'm literally, literally not an anti-Semite, and I reject anti-Semitism as totally immoral and anti-Christian. So I'm not only not by temperament an anti-Semite, you know, million Jewish people I love, I also reject it as a way of thinking. Yeah. And so why would they call me that? And it's sincere. Again, for the fifth time, if I was, I would just say so.

Starting point is 00:52:58 And I'm not. So why do they call me that? Well, because I think they think I'm effective, because I'm not a hater. Right? so they have to take out the guy who actually might change people's minds. But I think it's deeper than that. I think there's a spiritual dimension where they want me to become an anti-Semite and a hater, both so they can control and dismiss me.

Starting point is 00:53:17 Oh, he's a Nazi. He's David Duke or whatever. He's crazy. But also because some of the people pushing this are evil. And by evil, I mean specifically they are committed to lying and violence. And those are the hallmarks of evil, lying and violence and chaos and division. So they're not going to play by any other rules. No, no, this is not, so we're not in a, we're not where we used to be or we used to pretend we were.

Starting point is 00:53:39 Where we all thought we were playing by the same rules. Right. And the rules were, if you have a better argument than I have, then you win. Yeah. And may the best argument win. We're so far beyond that. And I think the murder of Charlie Kirk was the moment when we could just admit it to ourselves. This is a guy whose whole life revolved around the proposition.

Starting point is 00:53:55 Let's, let's debate. And they didn't want to debate, whoever they is, they murdered him. And to be specific, who killed Charlie Kirk? Well, I don't know is the short answer, but when we do find out if we ever do, I doubt we will. But if we do, I think, again, we'll not be surprised. It's just all tentacles from the same octopus, and the octopus is evil. It's not an ethnic group. It's not a country.

Starting point is 00:54:19 It's evil. This is what evil is. What is evil? Evil is a commitment to deception and violence, period. That's what it is. So it's too easy to be like, oh, it's Netanyahu or Smotrich or whatever. No, it's evil. It's existed from the beginning of time.

Starting point is 00:54:34 It will exist until the end of time. And it has been the thing against which people have fought through all of history. It's evil. It manifests itself in a million different ways. But its hallmarks are always dishonesty and violence. Yeah, it feels like we've been a bit afraid to stand up against evil. Does that make sense to you? Of course it does.

Starting point is 00:54:51 John Rich was just talking about it on your podcast the other day. And I thought that that was a really neat episode. Wonderful. And I learned a lot about John Rich. And just like his clarity of thought I thought was really neat. We were on a hunting trip. and a pheasant hunting trip two weeks ago when we did that

Starting point is 00:55:05 he can shoot too which is nice to see he can he was bringing him down we had a lot of hits I know but that guy yeah but we shouldn't be afraid of it and we shouldn't be so my struggle is against being shocked

Starting point is 00:55:19 like every time I learn something I'm like holy shit I can't believe I'm so I can't believe it like this or that institution's corrupt or this or that person is lying and it's like I'm actually like a child. Why would I be shocked? That's what this is. What did you think it was, dude? We live in a

Starting point is 00:55:36 fallen world filled with dishonesty and violence. My job, all of our jobs are to fight against those things. Yeah, people always want to be in a war. People always like, man, I wish I had something that was like a challenge in the world. It's like we are in a fight of good and evil. And it's not to say that any of us are perfect or that we don't all have mistakes or things that we wish we had done or not done. But overall, it does feel like this is like a video game of good versus evil. And you have to start to see that, like, you're a player in it. One thing that I... So this is why you're so effective.

Starting point is 00:56:08 This is why, you know, at some point people may try to make you be quiet is because you approach all of this with humility, which is one of the hallmarks of good, in my opinion. Like, almost every sentence you begin on this topic begins with, I'm no one to judge and I'm not, you know, that is the posture. Humility is the posture. And one thing you notice about evil is it's certainty, It's judgmental, condemnatory quality.

Starting point is 00:56:35 You know, Mark Levin, you're evil, you're fascist, anti-Semite, Nazi, Islamist, whatever. It's mirror image is what you just showed, which is, you know, we're all kind of screwed up, but we're trying to get to the truth. Like, that is, that's the approach. That's the posture. That's the way to tell the truth. I think it's what most people are doing. That's what most people are trying. You know, I feel like.

Starting point is 00:56:56 Because that's truly honest. Like, I've been wrong about so much. Am I really going to stand and be like, I am positive? of this is like, no, I'm doing the best I can. That's the only honest way to approach it. Especially, like, as a country, when you're paying into taxes and you're showing up to vote and you're trying to help your neighbor and you're, you know, you're trying to follow the rules and do the best that you can, you know, you, at a certain point, that's, like,

Starting point is 00:57:23 you're giving into something as a group that you're, like, giving into something like this is how we believe that we should behave and that it best suits us moving forward. And then when it's really started to just feel, and I think it's kind of obviously at this point, that the higher-ups are not working for us anymore. They're not working with us. And that's what I think has become the most evident in the past year, especially,

Starting point is 00:57:43 is that people are like, oh, no matter who we elect, on which side, whatever it is, it's all this sort of shell game. And we're finally starting to see some of it. And I thought it was interesting that... Well, not working for us is kind of the most benign description. Like, not working for you. That's just indifference.

Starting point is 00:58:00 that's abandonment. That's when your parents like go on vacation and don't come home. What's happening to us is having like a creepy stepfather. Like I actually think there's malicious intent here.

Starting point is 00:58:10 But how could so many politicians and stuff get compromised? That's what I don't understand. Wouldn't there be more people that stood up and said, hey, this isn't right? Like I, that's what I find hard to believe. Well, because they all made the deal.

Starting point is 00:58:24 And all of them, all of them make the deal. And the deal is not always explicit. And the deal, everyone thinks it's about sexual. true blackmail, which is totally real. All the porn sites are visible. Like, go to a porn site. People know

Starting point is 00:58:36 exactly what you're looking at. There's a video of you looking at. It's just a fact. And, okay, so there's that. Yeah. And there are a lot of them are secretly gay. Of course, we know that. But I don't think, and have drinking problems or cheating their wives or whatever. Is that enough to keep people? No, I think it's actually

Starting point is 00:58:52 deeper than that. It's not enough. It's not enough. Like, the obvious ones like, why is Lindsey Graham for this or that war? It's like, okay, yeah, I got it. But a lot of... Because if you're trying to slurp on little fellas or whatever, or you're jacking off to, like, you know, bud activity or whatever, like, does that, like, you know, like, I mean, definitely pedoph- Slurping on little fellas. I mean, pedophiling is bad.

Starting point is 00:59:13 It is not good at all. It's horrible, right? But if you're just, like, looking at per not, I'm just like- That's not the answer, though. That's not most of them are not being sexually blackbilled. Some are. I mean, I think the Epstein thing was probably that to some extent. But no, it's much deeper and more recognizable.

Starting point is 00:59:29 and part of our daily life than that. It's much more insidious than that because it's less dramatic than that. It's the deal that we all make with ourselves to get what we want. Like, I want to be powerful. I want to get reelected. I want to get rich.

Starting point is 00:59:43 I want to bang that girl. And you make these compromises with yourself in which you consciously decide to be dishonest. You decide, in some cases, violent. That is true. Or whatever. How do they get so many people, though?

Starting point is 00:59:57 Because, like, you look at some of these... Because the system itself. is that. Like, you get, in order to get elected, I have to do the following things. I have to basically subvert democracy by carrying water for a tiny group of people against the interests of my actual voters. Like, that itself is a sin. It's a crime. But it's so ubiquitous. You don't even notice it. It's deals like that. I'm going to take money from a foreign lobby that somehow isn't registered as a foreign lobby or whatever. I'll support this thing that I think is probably pretty wrong, but I'm going to do it because I have to. It's those kind of moral compromise.

Starting point is 01:00:29 that wind up making people slaves. And that's what they are, their slaves. We have hundreds of slaves, otherwise known as members of Congress. And what are they slaves to, evil? Because they've made these compromises in order to get what they think is the prize, which is re-election.

Starting point is 01:00:45 It's a crazy movie. It's real, though, man. I know, that's a crazy. But it's all of us. Like, all of us have made that deal. That's why it's so important to reframe it in your head. It's not just some freak on Petto Island, you know, banging a child or then,

Starting point is 01:00:58 oh, they have them by the boss. because they have videotape of him. No, no, no, it's all of us. If I just do this thing, it's worth it, man. It's for the greater good. It's for my family. It's for, you know, I need, you hear this every election season. Right, I need a vote.

Starting point is 01:01:11 I need to vote for the shithead, but we need to control the Congress. What is that? You're making a deal with the devil, dude, with the devil. That's what that is. Bad on before me and all of this will be yours. That's the deal. Don't make that deal because you lose yourself. You lose your freedom.

Starting point is 01:01:28 All of a sudden, you're a slave. and you see these politicians, they're like, oh, no, it's not, no, there are good reasons for doing this. No, really, what is that? It's not a free man. That's an enslaved man. And you know the people who are free because they exude this kind of peace and joy. And they're like, no, I don't care. I'll say whatever I think is true. You can shoot me. Go ahead and shoot me. It's not going to change anything because you're lying and I'm not. Like, it's freedom versus slavery. And we put ourselves in slavery with that deal. well the pain of like of holding on like lies and stuff like that yes and shame and stuff like that it's really but haven't we all live that you've lived that right for sure yes well that's why getting sober is so liberating not just because you're not on drugs or alcohol which is itself liberating but because you admit what you did and then you're like oh man I admitted I was a co-cat or I drank vodka in the morning in my case it's like it's pretty fucking embarrassing but once you

Starting point is 01:02:24 admit it it's like I was putting alps in my butt yeah No, it's Zinn. Sorry. Alp is oral use only. Alps for the front. It's the pouch for your mouth. Oh, I like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Alp for the front.

Starting point is 01:02:37 They should say for the front on them. They should have a special. We may do that. We're going to get that hat because we already have for oral use only, the pouch for the mouth, but this goes in the front. But you're going to have like some urethral injuries if we're not more specific. Dude, I used to date a girl and her kuder was like way more than it was like kind of in the lower part. Actually? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:02:55 How did that work mechanically? It worked. You know, it just, I don't know. I don't know all the logistics or whatever. You sure it wasn't post-op? Was this natural? No, this was natural, dude. And I worked in urban planning, so I know how, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:03:08 Like, I know how things work a little bit. But yeah, she had the, her cuckers. You understand bridges and tunnels, is what you're saying. Yeah, I'm just her cuder was up front, kind of. But anyway, I don't know where we're talking about that. Do you think? Make their holiday unforgettable with a gift that says it all from Pandora Jewelry, a gift that tells a story and shows you know theirs that doesn't just

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Starting point is 01:08:02 They don't have as much time. They're busy. Both parents are working. People are running around. They're picking their kids up. They've got to get their kid to tee ball. They've got to make sure their kids get fed. And they have to make sure that one of the parents is there to read them a bedtime story

Starting point is 01:08:13 for the other parent goes and works on that as a security guard somewhere just to make ends meet, right? So why don't they have like an app that says, okay, these are the candidates, this one doesn't accept any money from any of these places. It feels like it would be very easy and obvious to create an app like that that would tell you exactly who to vote for.

Starting point is 01:08:31 I think that's right. The problem is we're getting to a point of like knowledge about things. Like people sort of are figuring out what's going on that in order to be honest now, you have to be truly honest. if I think people are so wary of being lied to that if you sense that someone's like got to,

Starting point is 01:08:53 you know, I'll be all honest about this stuff but not about that thing. That's not enough. So true honesty, also called integrity, is what is needed. It's hard. Well, you get killed, you know, you get killed. Like the system itself,

Starting point is 01:09:07 and this is not the result of any form of power or any, this is just like the nature of systems, will work to expel you the same way your body works to expel bacteria or can. It's like, the organism doesn't want this. And you see it, I've known very few honest members of Congress. I've known a couple, however, one of them just left Congress and the other is being primaried. MTG you're talking about, Marjorie Taylor Green.

Starting point is 01:09:30 Exactly. And, and Thomas Massey from Kentucky. And by the way, I don't agree with everything. It doesn't, it's not even about that. What is being primary mean? I'm sorry to interrupt you. It means that your own party says, we want you out. And so we're going to run someone from your party against you in the primary.

Starting point is 01:09:45 against you in the primary, your party has turned on you. And it's like, what is that about? And it's about not simply the fact that he disagrees with them on foreign policy, which is really, the whole project really is just foreign policy, nothing to do with like your tax rates or your debt load. Yeah, he's like anti-A-PAC. He's bigger against those types of things.

Starting point is 01:10:03 Yeah, and he's not for pointless wars. So that's a deal killer. But it's not just that. It's the he... So, yeah, the Israeli lobby's mad at him. Got it. But it's deeper. It's he won't be controlled.

Starting point is 01:10:14 And if he doesn't think something, he's not going to say it. Period. He may be wrong, but he's sincere. Sincerity is the kryptonite. That's what makes the evil person die, is sincerity. No, I really mean it. I'm not kidding. I can't be bought.

Starting point is 01:10:31 I'm totally sincere. If they smell sincerity on you, well, that's why they're calling me. The most dangerous anti-Semite since Adolf Heller himself. It's like, what? because I'm not a genius. I'm not powerful at all. I'm a fucking podcaster. Like, I don't have actually any power.

Starting point is 01:10:50 But I'm not kidding at all. I'm completely sincere. I may be wrong. I often have been, but I'm not joking. Yeah. That itself, so they're hassling me. Imagine if I was a member of Congress or a presidential candidate

Starting point is 01:11:03 or anybody who has sincerity is marked immediately because that person's a threat to everybody currently benefiting from the system. And you saw that with Marjorie. Yeah, what do you think happened there? Because a lot of people say that allegedly she made a lot of money off of stock returns and stuff like that.

Starting point is 01:11:20 That just cracks me up. That's like saying, you know, have you been, I know, I was just talking to Tim Dillon the other day. He was a friend of mine, awesome guy. But he's the best. He is the best. And, but, you know, he's everyone, they're all claiming, he's taking money from Qatar. Yeah, me too. They say that.

Starting point is 01:11:34 Oh, they say that about you? Yeah. I went there once out a blast, dude. I'm going tomorrow. Are you? I'm buying a house in guitar. Why am I doing that? because fuck you not only if I never

Starting point is 01:11:43 taken a dollar from Qatar or anybody I have no investors zero I have no debt I don't owe anybody anything period and never will I'm never taking money for them I'm gonna I'm gonna invest money in Qatar I'm gonna do just the opposite just to just to give the finger plus it's a great country

Starting point is 01:11:59 dude I had a great time when I was there they treated it super nice I know that they have different rules and stuff for their people and that we may disagree with some of them and stuff like that it's like but those aren't my rules I don't have to you know like if I go visit I have to live by their rules, but if I'm, if I'm from our country, then I can live by our rules. I completely agree, but they accuse you of what they are and what they are is corrupt. So Marjorie, did she make

Starting point is 01:12:23 a ton of money trading on stocks with insider information? I bet my house she didn't. I mean, this is somebody I know well. You do know her well. I know her well. And you can agree or disagree with her, of course, but you can't say she's in it for the money, really? I don't think so. I don't think she's interested in money. I think she's interested in the country. And again, we can debate whether she's on the right track or the wrong track. You think her ideas are smart or stupid, but her sincerity is the most obvious thing about her. And it's also the most threatening thing about her. In fact, it's the only thing that they hate is sincerity because sincerity is purity and it can't be bought. And so, of course, the first thing, they're like, oh, you must be getting paid by somebody.

Starting point is 01:13:04 No, I'm not. And that's why you hate me. Yeah. If I was as corrupt as Dan Crenshaw, you You really think they would hassle me? Dan Crenshaw, the guy from Texas? Yeah. Is he corrupt? Well, on the most deep, on a moral level, he's completely corrupt. I mean, he takes orders from his donors to do things that have nothing to do with the welfare of his voters. So by definition, he's corrupt, yes, and also crazy and drunk and all the rest.

Starting point is 01:13:29 Sad, sad. I'm not actually. Oh, I think I met him in a night club one time. Yeah, well, I'm sure you did. But I shouldn't be, I feel sorry for Dan Crenshaw being serious. But anyway, the point is the more corrupt. you are, the more they like you because they can control you. What they don't want is someone who might do something unexpected who they can't control. That's what they fear. Obviously,

Starting point is 01:13:50 it's what everybody fears. But do you think that as, well, for, for, so for Marjorie, do you, what do you think happened in that meeting? Because she had a meeting, I guess, with Trump. I don't know. I don't know what happened between her and Trump. I know what happened to her over the past five years serving in Congress, which she was like, uh, Trump withdrew. Trump withdrew his political endorsement and publicly insulted Green labeling her as a traitor due to her vocal opposition to his handling of Epstein files and other policy disagreements. Yeah. Green announced her resignation, effective January 5th, 2026 to avoid a divisive primary challenge.

Starting point is 01:14:25 But why not... Is it divisive? Huh? Is it divisive? A primary challenge? Divisive. Oh, divisive probably. I've never figured it.

Starting point is 01:14:31 They change it so much. Yeah, they do. They do. Do they... But why not go and challenge then? Why secede then? And why not go and say, okay, I'm going to keep fighting and people are going to support you? I honestly don't know the answer.

Starting point is 01:14:45 You don't? The only thing I know, I really don't. I haven't talked to her about it and I don't know the answer. I'm sure there's thinking behind it that I'm not that great at politics. You know, the thinking about what the right move in politics is. But I know big picture what happened, because I saw it up close, which is she showed up very much like any other person. It's like, this country has problems. I want to fix them.

Starting point is 01:15:05 And she shows up. And all people are like, shut up, honey. um she was getting too close to what the truth is and the truth is the people running the system are completely corrupt and the welfare of their people our country's people is not even on their list of concerns at all they're beholden to the people who pay them and or who threaten them and she said that out loud and oh man they she had like very few allies once you say that you're marked so i think she concluded as my understanding she concluded i can't I'm having no effect here at all.

Starting point is 01:15:40 It's driving me crazy. And the Epstein thing, you know, I've never understood what the justification for keeping that information secret. Epstein was murdered in prison, okay? I know a lot about it. I'm not just throwing that out there. Epstein was murdered in prison. Well, they put him with a cellmate that was kind of a crazy, like former police officer, right? Yeah, a former police officer killed a number of drug dealers.

Starting point is 01:16:06 I'm not saying that guy did it, but I'm saying, well, I asked Bureau of Prison. because I learned all the stuff about it because I know Epstein's brother, Mark, well. And I never expected to get down in this rabbit hole at all. I had, the guy called me like a week after his brother was killed. Mark did?

Starting point is 01:16:20 Yeah. And yeah, I was literally sitting in my backyard in Maine and he called me and I don't know how he got my cell. And it ended up this years-long thing. It's not interesting and I won't bore you with it. But the bottom line is Jeff Epstein was murdered in federal lockup in Manhattan in the secure unit.

Starting point is 01:16:37 I think there were only 16 men on the unit, and I think only 14 there that I may have that's slightly wrong, but it's very small, and it's the most secure federal lockup in the United States, and he got murdered in it. So that raises all kinds of obvious questions. Like, who is the power to do that? So that's a big deal. And then the attorney general at the time helped cover it up. And I know him.

Starting point is 01:17:00 And Bill Barr. So I say that, and he's like, I'm going to sue you. And I said, go ahead and sue me. I hope you will. And what's the answer? Like, why don't you answer? He never will. Well, it turns out, and this does make you crazy,

Starting point is 01:17:14 that his father, Donald Barr, is the guy who started Epstein's career, who both gave him his first job, for which he was not qualified, and then got him his second job at Bear Stearns for which he was definitely unqualified. What is that, the former CIA guy, OSS guy? But anyway, the point is,

Starting point is 01:17:29 that question of how an American citizen, Kid-Toucher or not, could get murdered in federal law up in our biggest city like, holy shit, that should scare everybody. And then the attorney general of the United States is covering it up. He admitted, this is the attorney general when Epstein was murdered, said, I told everyone around me, we need to make sure the country believes this was a suicide. It's like, you haven't even done a freaking investigation. You're the chief law enforcement officer and you're telling me the outcome before you even look into it. How do you

Starting point is 01:18:00 know that? Because he admitted it in his autobiography. And so I'm not guessing at any of this stuff. Okay, so I call Bureau of Prisons and I'm like, I want the names of the inmates who are serving on this block. Because clearly nobody got in or out of the block. It's right. Well, it also was a question of our, to our, like, to our prison system. It's like, how would you not know, like, obviously this is the guy you have to protect? They did it on purpose, and he was murdered clearly by another inmate. And there's so much, I mean, I did like an hour on this.

Starting point is 01:18:34 Anyone interested can look it up. But I'm not a conspiracy, not at all. I've been a journalist my whole life. I've often been wrong, but I've always been attentive to what I believe the facts to be. I think it really matters whether you're accurate

Starting point is 01:18:46 and I've tried to be. So it was not a perfect storm of screw-ups. They never did the investigation into how this guy died. They redressed him in clothes that he wasn't wearing when he died for pictures in the hospital infirmary. All the records of what happened to his body

Starting point is 01:19:02 are gone. And critically, we cannot get, and I tried, directly by calling the Attorney General's office, I want a list of the names of the inmates who are on the court. It's publicly available. They're convicted felons, dude. This is not secret information, not national security information.

Starting point is 01:19:15 Why can't you tell me that? They allowed him to be murdered in federal lockup. So leave all the Petto Island stuff out of it. And just ask yourself, how can we continue to live in a country where a high profile inmate can be murdered in our prison system by some

Starting point is 01:19:33 who's powerful enough to do that? Right. And so these are not only legitimate questions, they're essential questions, and, like, we're mad at the people asking them? That's the weirdest thing. Fuck you. Yeah. Sorry, I'm trying to. Oh, that's one of the craziest things right now. It feels like the people you're supposed to be able to ask. You can't, like, we're the weird people now for asking questions. Like, it's like you get labeled as the weird guy for asking questions. They just said- Don't let them into your head. They just said that lady, Bari Weiss or whatever name is, and she was on ABC. One of the greatest liars in our public life.

Starting point is 01:20:09 Did you see this video, she said? I think she mentioned you in it. Unbelievable liar. Last thing that I'm beginning to sort of reckon with right now is the extent of profound anti-American and anti-Jewish sentiment on large parts of the American right. A lot of the illiberalism. on the left that came from the fringe into the mainstream of the Democratic Party

Starting point is 01:20:38 began as a fringe online movement that a lot of Democrats and a lot of liberals waved away because it was just some crazy influencers online. And woe to the people that still are telling themselves that and still believe that the things that Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson are saying will not make an impact on the right because they will. everything about that is just so amazing to me i'm anti-american really that's family's been here for

Starting point is 01:21:07 four hundred years i have no allegiance to any foreign country i put my country first and you takes a lot of balls for barry weiss who acts openly on behalf of a foreign country her only concerns or not american concerns they pertain to the fortunes of foreign country do they really oh yes um yes i'm not that's an informed statement and um calling me anti-americ say, Carlson's an asshole or whatever, but she has to call me the one thing that she is, which is like this weird psychology, I have to say. I'm calling me a hater. I'm a lot of things. A buffoon, a hot head, you know, bad table manners, whatever. Fat. I'm not anti-American. That's all I care about it, actually. I wouldn't say fat. Maybe holiday chubby, maybe.

Starting point is 01:21:52 Okay, so that's the first thing. Like, you seem like you own a couple builder bears probably, you know, but just the seasonal ones. I think you always look like you're ready for Christmas, kind of. what? I wear the same clothes and it keeps my weight down. I'm so cheap. I'm not buying new clothes ever. And I just wear, I wear size 36. And if I get above that, I'm just going to suffer through it until I stop eating donuts. But anyway, and I'm not attacking.

Starting point is 01:22:12 Look, here's what I'm saying. I think Barry Weiss is super energetic. But why is this somebody who's supporting a different country and not our country first, ahead of a network? Calling me anti-American. Right, but also. It's like, okay. Barry Weiss is a vocal supporter of Israel describing her views as pro-Israel. She's a, quote, Zionist

Starting point is 01:22:28 fanatic calling me. She's a self-identified Zionismedict calling me answer to me whatever. Obviously, I'm being too literal. But why does she get to be the head? And I don't know the lady, but why does she get to, if her allegiance isn't to America first, how is she the head of an American network? Well, that's, of course, an entirely fair question that you're not allowed to ask. But here's the deeper thing that I've been meditating on recently is that a lot of our overlords

Starting point is 01:22:50 like Barry Weiss are actually totally mediocre. And the most depressing thing about the United States in 2025 is that we're led not just by bad people, but by unimpressive, dumb, totally non-creative people. Barry Weiss has no experience in journalism at all. Like, she's never committed. She's like an opinion writer or whatever for the New York Times or something. She's not a journalist. Like, never written a freaking story in her life.

Starting point is 01:23:12 And she's dumb. She doesn't know anything. So that's fine. Lots of dumb people. My dogs are dumb. I don't hold it against him. But for you to ascend to the top of whatever pyramid you think you occupy. And you're not even impressive.

Starting point is 01:23:24 Like Bill Ackman, same thing. Bill Ackman's worth like $8 billion. or something, it's fine. I don't care of Bill Ackman, whatever Bill Ackman does. But I know Bill Ackman, he's kind of dumb. He's not ever created anything. He's totally non-creative. How do these people wind up running our biggest institutions? And the reason that's significant is because if you pay close enough attention and you realize that the people running everything are stupid, then you think, well, actually, the system is truly rigged on behalf of people who do not deserve these positions at all. It's not just that I disagree with Barry Weiss or

Starting point is 01:23:57 she's calling me names or I'm calling her names or whatever. It's like in no fair system and no meritocracy would Barry Weiss rise above secretary. Like actually, and I mean that. I've been in this business my whole, I've been in this business since Barry Weiss was breastfeeding, okay? There's no world in which Barry Weiss rises to the top of a news network except a rigged world. That's it. Does that make sense?

Starting point is 01:24:20 It's like shocking to me. Right, they're not, like people aren't even putting their best people in, like they're, they're... It's almost a humiliation exercise. Like, we're going to take someone as stupid as Bill Ackman and give him $8 billion. We're going to take someone as stupid and totally non-creative, like literally uninformed. Like, she didn't even know who Assad was. Like, she's an idiot. And we're going to put her in charge of CBS News just to show that individual merit, energy, creativity, which is the most important thing.

Starting point is 01:24:49 Creativity is what a healthy society rewards because we are designed to create things. that's why we're not animals, we're human beings. The creative power is the spark that distinguishes us from all other species. We create things. God created the world, he created us in his image, and we henceforth create things. So creativity has to be the most rewarded factor in any healthy society. And now, because our society is inverse, it's upside down, creativity is penalized. How dare you say that?

Starting point is 01:25:20 It's not what every other drone is saying. It's not the machine tells us to say. and Barry Weiss, the single least creative human being, the single most robotic, what are the talking points repeating them, that person winds up at the top of the pyramid. It is that that is what offends me. It's not that she loves Israel. I don't give a shit what she thinks of Israel. It's not that she criticizes me. Obviously, I don't really care.

Starting point is 01:25:41 It's that her presence at the top of CBS News means all of those institutions are totally fake. That's what, that's why. All of what institutions? The news institutions? Or that institution, Wall Street of Bill Ackman, you tell me one, and I'm not even like moralizing, and I don't hate Bill Ackman, but like Bill Ackman's an idiot. Who is he? I don't know him. He's a hedge fund guy who's made most of his money by short selling. And that means I go on CNBC and I attack your company. It's stock price falls and I've made a reverse bet against the stock price and I get rich.

Starting point is 01:26:15 You tell me how that benefits your society. Talking down American companies, like how is that productive? How is that the act of creation? It's the act of destruction. And I give you $8 billion. The whole system is rigged, okay? Well, I think a lot of people feel that now. They feel like the system is rigged. They feel like there's no way for them to win. They feel like it's all insider trading.

Starting point is 01:26:36 They feel like it's Hollywood or the news creates a narrative. That affects what goes on. But it's garbage. The movies are garbage. The mass media. All of it is turning out slop. I understand that. But how does that evolve?

Starting point is 01:26:48 How do things get better? Those institutions are done. So our job, again, is to love the people around us and tell the truth. And in that act, we make things better, okay? Because, dude, you've got the second biggest podcast in the world or something? I mean, I don't think. I haven't looked at the charts, but we're doing good. I know you're number seven.

Starting point is 01:27:13 I've been in this my whole life. You've been in this like, I don't know, you were a stand-up comedian and all of a sudden and you're, like, dominating global podcasting? It's like, how did that happen? That's the new, it's just one example, but that's the new institution. Yeah, dude, we're doing our best, dude. No, but it's working.

Starting point is 01:27:27 That's the point. It's working. These glasses aren't even real the other day. Those are pretty ugly to be fake. If you're going to buy, yeah, if you're going to buy fake glasses. Like I, everybody hates these. I just got them. They used to call those birth control glasses.

Starting point is 01:27:41 Really? Yeah, those work. You're never going to impregnate anyone in those glasses. Would you know my name? Dude, I'm never going to knock. You're right, you're right, you're totally right. You just, you know what? I think you just overcame your eyewear with that.

Starting point is 01:27:54 You break out the acoustic aeroplapton and even I want to sleep with you. I totally agree. No, but I think for all that, like I do think, what's the phrase they use, the black pill or whatever, everyone's like, so, it's all falling apart? That's a stage on the continuum. This is an arc of consciousness and you realize, holy shit, everything is terrible, it's falling apart. And then you get through that, this just happened to me, I just got through it. And I'm like, yes, but a new world is being born, like, for real, and it's beautiful, and it's honest, and it's creative.

Starting point is 01:28:25 It's not just, it's not fake. Everything, what you hate about the modern world is that it lacks creativity, and creativity is the human spark. It's the energy that makes you different from the chair you're sitting in, and that is bursting out everywhere. And I love it. Well, they, I saw an article the other day. Did you see about how, oh, with TikTok, right, with social media,

Starting point is 01:28:55 with trying to own the companies, right? Did you see that video with Yet Njahou for the, um, TikTok ownership? This is wild, bro. This is a fun. You can't fight today with swords that doesn't work very long, but we have to fight with the weapons that apply to the battlefields in which we engaged. and the most important ones are on social media

Starting point is 01:29:18 and the most important purchase that is going on right now is class followers somebody said buy followers how hilarious is that dude that's the best TikTok

Starting point is 01:29:31 number one number one and I hope it goes through because it can be consequential imagine saying that what is that why did he say that do you think why did he just confirm

Starting point is 01:29:44 from every crazed anti-Semitic conspiracy online. Jews control everything. And there's literally the prime minister of Israel being like, yes, we control everything. Why would he say something? First of all, he, like Barry Weiss, is kind of stupid, clever, ruthless, but stupid, not creative at all. There's that.

Starting point is 01:30:03 But there's a deeper reason, because he's trying to inspire hatred. He's trying to inspire hatred. Yes, we control everything. And I'm not falling for it. I'm not going to be a hater. I don't care what they do. Well, I mean, we're being a hater in the sense

Starting point is 01:30:16 We're like if you hate against him But I guess if you're saying it's evil Then yeah, hating evil isn't wrong, right? But here's what I'm wondering, it's like If you teach me like growing up like about the Holocaust, you teach me about Nazis, you teach me about evil And then I take what I've learned, right? And I apply it to the world

Starting point is 01:30:35 And I see it, I see it point blank, I see it in Gaza, I see it in the Middle East, I see it in Palestine And it's the first one where you see these things happening. Like, it's almost like, well, if I had seen slavery on my phone, I'd be like, this is fucked up. If I had seen, you know, it's like, it's the first thing you see. And did you see that chick who was at some conference recently? I think she was like Carmela Harris's speechwriter, former speechwriter. And she's like, you know, we made a huge mistake, like talking too much about the Holocaust because now people are comparing what's happening in Gaza to the Holocaust.

Starting point is 01:31:09 But it's like, don't come in gas like me to think now I'm really. wrong for seeing this and then and then imagine shit we never should have mentioned the Nazis because we set absolute standards of behavior that we're now failing to meet and we're being blamed it's like are you and then now when this guy says they want to buy TikTok so that

Starting point is 01:31:26 the influence is different like it's just like I don't understand but to say why are we the only people that feel or why aren't more people activated about this it's like watching okay but can I just make you feel better? It's like watching something horrible happen and

Starting point is 01:31:41 we can't even ask our own country for help. That's a crazy part. I can't believe that half of our representatives aren't speaking up and saying something like, hey, we're going to shut this down. This is wrong. We're not going to let, because wasn't he condemned by the ICC for...

Starting point is 01:31:55 Yeah, they don't care. He was a condemned war criminal, right? Is that right? Yeah, I guess, yeah. And I just don't understand how regular people, comedians, and, you know, a guy who loves Johnson and Murphy from Maine,

Starting point is 01:32:11 are the ones who are fucking having to speak up about that, like, what is going on? Well, that's the beauty that I'm talking about. That's the new world being born. And sorry if you don't love Johnson and Murphy. I don't, these are like my Turkish grounding shoes with the copper. They're so ugly, but I got these from someone else in the nicotine business who's like, dude, these will ground you to the Earth's essential forces.

Starting point is 01:32:32 Really? I don't know what that means, of course. I have no idea. But I am originally from California in the 70s, so I kind of fall for shit like that. Look like you could smoke in them for sure, dude. I've, I've, I've, yeah, but I'll say this. Smok a few cigarettes in those in my life. Every time I see a Johnson Murphy, I peek my head and I say, hey, Tucky, I say that.

Starting point is 01:32:48 I don't really know what it is. Just like a, it's like a shop. It's like a Brooks Brothers kind of. Oh, yeah. No, I buy my clothes on eBay, always. But anyway, sorry, it wasn't, it wasn't a negative thing. No, no, but here's the point, though. It wasn't a negative thing, Tucker.

Starting point is 01:33:00 It's like, this is the beautiful thing. Is it like, negative? No, I never get the reference. I'm so fucking out of it. But we're like in this moment where the old is going, away and the news is on its way and some of it is menacing and scary and hard to understand like AI or crypto, okay? Could be good, could be bad, could be both. But it's big. But some of it is just totally recognizable. It's called the human spirit and it's irrepressible. You can't actually

Starting point is 01:33:24 extinguish it no matter how many people you kill. And no matter how many lies you tell, it will always sort of bubble up around you. And it's bubbling up now in a big way. And I would just, last thing I want to say, like, if you really are worried, if you feel like, oh, there's this international conspiracy of people to oppress humanity and to kill humanity. That's obviously true. Degrade us and slave us. Obviously true. Like, not even a guess that's happening. But who's behind it? Go and read some of the Epstein emails that have been released. Thousands have been released. And ask yourself, like, as a human, what's the first thing I noticed? Jeffrey Epstein was a fucking idiot. He could barely speak English. He was from Coney Island. And he was

Starting point is 01:34:04 like an idiot. He was like an idiot. He writes like a moron. Okay. We're being a By dumb people, we imagine their geniuses because they're evil, but we miss the obvious signs that these people are stupid. They are stupid. They are not as impressive as like the normal people in my world. Jeff Ramstein was an idiot. So we have this picture of like the diabolical genius pulling the strings. I'm moving this population here and this population. I'll give them the COVID Vax. But really you've got like just thugs. They're just like nightclub bouncers. of dollars and they're idiots their head injury patients Bill Ackman like he's a fucking idiot Jeff Ebsy it's true Barry Weiss like I'm not too

Starting point is 01:34:52 worried about Barry Weiss taking over the world I don't care how many billionaires hand her news organizations because she's obedient to their preferred country she's still an idiot sorry yeah I've heard Tim Dillon talk about her but I'm not that

Starting point is 01:35:04 familiar with her he knew her very well I think he did so I think Tim and he can speak for himself But as I remember the story, like, he was in her orbit. And, you know, I know all the people, of course, in her orbit. And some of them I like, I've never just liked Barry Weiss personally. She's very charming, I will say, and very energetic, which I love anybody. But he was like buddies with her and they're going to parties. And then, like, well, he can explain it better than I could.

Starting point is 01:35:28 But my understanding is he's like, one day he's like, killed a lot of kids in Gaza, I think. And I think within like 10 minutes, she was like on the phone with his agent. Got to fire Tim Dillon. Wow. Okay. So I guess our friendship wasn't built on the foundation, I assumed it was. It's like, and dumb people are very much like that. They have like one interest.

Starting point is 01:35:51 They're what we call single issue voters. Like there's no nuance at all. I remember her, do you remember when she attacked Tulsi Gabbard, who's a beautiful soul? Just a good person. She sent me a couple of nice messages over the years. She's just a great person. She's an honest person. Do you remember when he attacked her on Rogan?

Starting point is 01:36:07 and Rogan in his... Oh, yeah, Rogan stood up for her. In his wonderful way. He's like, I'm not sure, what do you mean by that? You know, in his Rogan, like, not attacking back, but just like, explain yourself a little more.

Starting point is 01:36:19 And Barry Weiss was like, it was like you caught her on the John or something. She was like, oh, have to explain the casual slander I threw at her. She had no fucking idea what she was talking about. Oh, was the word toad. She didn't know what toadie man. She's a toad for Assad.

Starting point is 01:36:34 And it's like, oh, there it is. Oh, my memory is. is still in place, and she couldn't define Toadie. According to multiple accounts from listeners in subsequent commentary, Weiss struggled to define Toadie in that specific context and failed to effectively back up her assertion with specific facts being flustered during the exchange. The moment was wildly circulating clips online and frequently brought up by critics of Weiss as an example of a journalist using obstinciated labels or neocan talking points.

Starting point is 01:36:58 No, it's an example of someone who got a 350 on the English SAT. Okay, this is a dumb person. We don't know that. Okay, but somehow got a job at the New York Times, and you don't know what Toadie is? Like, she's in the word business, baby, you know? Well, I just don't understand how, like, why isn't there, like, you used to believe that everybody that was elected was campaigning for America first, right? Like, America first was the thing.

Starting point is 01:37:23 That's our system, right? But that's not what's going on. Well, it's, of course, just the opposite. I mean, look at the country. So the country's dying, not because the people were bad, because of bad leadership. Yeah. Leadership is everything. I used to, you know, you get brainwashed growing up here, and you're like, no, it really

Starting point is 01:37:37 matters is how most people feel. No. What really matters is the willingness of your leaders to actually die for you as you would for your children. Like is that simple. If they love you, they will, your country will prosper. If they hate you, it will fail. It's super simple. They don't like us. Okay. Got it. Got it. And what do you think that we could do differently? I know that John Rich on your show that one thing was interesting, he said that he felt like a lot of Americans have just kind of coward and watched this kind of happen. You know, don't be a bitch. Yeah. He was pretty adamant about it. Don't ever be a bitch. He was speaking mostly about Christians, but also about Americans,

Starting point is 01:38:10 that they've just kind of coward and sort of let this, like, let evil policies, evil things come in and not stood up for their own voices or stood up against their own fears. Do you think that that's true? Oh, gosh, it's the truest thing. I participated in it. There are plenty of things. I just like, I don't want to deal with that. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:38:28 Or I might. Oh, yeah, what I'm asking if it's true, dude? Take a loss. Yeah, I mean, it's not, I hate to point one of your, as I said a minute ago, one of your tics, verbal tics that I just, I want to emulate and I want to be like this, is you preface every attack or assessment of someone else with a self-critique. You're like, I've done a lot of shitty things, but I think that person's doing a shitty thing. Like, that's a really good habit to get into, just because righteousness is good,

Starting point is 01:38:54 self-righteousness is evil, and there's a big difference. Well, your ego is very scary. That's a thing. So scary. It's the scariest thing. It's the scariest thing. That's what kills you, if you're a man anyway, for sure. The ego is very scary.

Starting point is 01:39:04 But, yeah, have there been like, yeah, where is the leadership supposed to come from now? Like, if we can't believe that our politicians are going to guide us, right? Well, the system is obviously changing, you know, just like the media, okay? I went into this in 1991. It's, I can't, I could write 10 books on how different it is. Everything about it, not just my perceptions of it, but the systems itself are totally different. And so systems evolve. And we're clearly at the end of something in the beginning of something else.

Starting point is 01:39:32 And I can't know with any precision what we're. moving into, but clearly it's not going to be like what we had. Like, we know that because this system doesn't work, doesn't produce anything worth having. It's obviously dishonest in a transparent way. A lie doesn't infuriate you unless you know it's a lie. Now we know it's a lie. So by definition, we can't keep doing this. And Barry Weiss can be like anyone who disagrees with Netanyahu is now imprisoned. And you can do that. I'm sure she would love to do that. But it's still not going to work because you're going to have prisons full of people who still disagree with Barry Weiss. Like you can't change people's minds by force. It has never worked.

Starting point is 01:40:04 it never will. So our system is reaching the end of something. I hope it's not, I love our system. I hope it's not destroyed, but clearly it's going to change. It has to. It will. It feels like it's going to happen fast, though, doesn't it? It's going to happen fast. And I just hope it's not too destructive. I don't want chaos, man. That is, I've seen that in foreign countries and it's scary. There's nothing scarier than that. Is there's happened in your state. It happened during, I saw it during Katrina. Ooh. Yeah. I was like, I can't believe this is happening. you know, just for a day or two where there's no cops

Starting point is 01:40:35 and their kids running around with guns and, like, shooting was right next to a guy who got shot to death, like, what? Yeah. Yeah, people listening to a young boy just popping off to doing, who knows what? That's what chaos looks like, it's so bad, man. Yeah, I don't want that at all.

Starting point is 01:40:51 And there'll be a lot, yeah, there's a lot of guns in this state, too. So people, there's a lot of guns in every state, but... Especially in my house, but yeah, but I'm not the only one. And I don't, you know, I don't think in the end. Oh, I think how it all ends is blacks versus drones. That's how I think it ends. And I've said this before and I believe

Starting point is 01:41:09 that. So can you game it out for me a little bit? How does that play out? Because like, you know, the news over time and everything it makes white people, you know, white people look bad, white people are the devil, blah, blah. So, yeah, whiteys, you know. During like the Trump campaign, they were like, every southern person or Midwestern person was the only, you know, piece of shit, you know, just all that. The white people started up on a lot of pills and stuff like that and just confused about their own value and stuff

Starting point is 01:41:37 like that. And that's been unfortunate because there's a lot of great people. But it's actually one of the great crimes ever in this country. It's unbelievable. But black folks, I think, are still like, they're still like, you know, they've kind of gone through this, you know, they've had such an origin story in America, right, enslaved. And then like, their origin story is the best to be the victor in the end right i feel like their origin story makes the best arc character arc to be like the hero at the end so i think it ends up them versus drones versus like the drones owned by evil folks and i think that's how it ends you know wins i think you got to go i think i would go with black folks i would go with any people over the drones yes but i think it's

Starting point is 01:42:31 going to be black folks, help us win it, and they're going to defeat the drones. How many will it be best of seven? I don't know. We'll see. And will there be advertising? Will it be brought to you by prize picks? I have no idea, bro. That doesn't matter. But I'm just saying, bro, you're going to be, that's where, I think that's how it ends. Well, I, one of the reasons that, you know, all those years they called me, no one ever calls me a racist anymore, but they used to for years when I was at Fox, racist, racist, racist. And so I really thought a lot about, am I a racist?

Starting point is 01:43:03 And no, I'm annoyed by certain things, for sure, but I'm not a racist at all. And not just because I think it's immoral to be a racist. I'm not a racist because black people, what do you think of? Black people are like, the most American been here. I'm talking about African Americans.

Starting point is 01:43:18 Hundreds and hundreds of years. Like, if you believe in the country, if you really feel like you're part of it, your ancestors are buried here, you're going to die here, which is how I feel. It's like, you're in it with black people. because they've been here since day one. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:43:30 There's like a, it's an American, I feel that, actually. Yeah, I'm not, I think it's, I don't know how, like, I mean, definitely it's a wild group, black folks, but I think they love to, uh, get in, they love to like, they love competition.

Starting point is 01:43:50 So I could definitely see them, uh, getting into it with drones, dude. And that's how we're in. Well, I'm rooting for him. Oh, yeah. I'm rooting for blacks against, drones, for sure. Hell yeah, dude. That's the kind of shit I'm talking about. And also, do you think that, I mean, it's, it's tough though to fight drones. Black people can figure it out.

Starting point is 01:44:07 You think so? I think if they, once they really apply themselves to a sport, they start to crack the codes pretty quick. You know? You put the hit stick on a drone, dude. I think they'll figure it out, dude. I hope so. It's going to be exciting, dude. That shit's going to be one of the best things ever. And it'll be, we'll be able, some people will be able to watch it. You'll be able to watch some of it on your phone. Really? Yeah, dude, Blacks versus drones, for sure, dude. Have you checked with Black people about this at all?

Starting point is 01:44:33 Bro, they're down, bro. Black people are down in a heartbeat. Black people, it's Theo. You guys ready for Blacks versus drones? Dude, flying people love to play games, bro. They love to have a good time. So I think if you, and if drones are just shooting people out in the streets and stuff, like if one of these companies like Palantir like they were using in

Starting point is 01:44:50 Gaza, it starts popping off here, which now has a, like, isn't Palantier, they're able to, they're going to do our data now, aren't they? Aren't they going to oversee us? I don't know. I see a lot of, a lot of people referring to that, but I'm just going to have to plead ignorance on the details. And this is allegedly, but there's articles that allege that they have weapons attached to drones and that they're able to figure that out. Palantir Technologies holds multiple major contracts with the U.S. government, particularly with the Department of Defense, highlighted by a recent U.S. Army Enterprise Agreement valued up to $10 billion over 10 years. Let me see.

Starting point is 01:45:27 Consolidating 75 prior contracts into one for software and data services to boost military readiness. Now, just keep it. That looks like it's from Wikipedia, which is obviously controlled by CIA. This is perplexity right here. What's that? Perplexity is a company that advertises with us. It's an AI. Oh, really?

Starting point is 01:45:45 Yeah. Oh, good. It doesn't scold you ever? Not yet. But some of that stuff's getting pretty wild. Did you see that they were just paying. paying chat GPT, Israel is paying chat GBT to adjust their sentiment towards them? Is that true? That's unbelievable. I don't know if it's true or not. I want to find out in a second

Starting point is 01:46:05 if we can get this article here. So the problem is going to be, the problem is going to be YouTube. Oh. Does YouTube stay open or not? I think. I mean, that's the vector. Candace Owens is like the most famous person in the world because of YouTube. Yeah. YouTube is the backbone of all of the stuff. And if there is some, God hope it doesn't happen, but if there's some of violence in the United States that can be used as a pretext in the same way that January 6 was used as a pretext to shut down all these people. They'll kick people off. My fear is that people, there will be a crackdown on YouTube. And at that point, you know, that's a big, that would be a true disaster for the country. If they kick people off of YouTube?

Starting point is 01:46:44 I think. Oh, I agree. So if there's an active violence, whether it's organic or not, because some of them are not organic, sorry, that's a fact, a proven fact. But whatever the cause of it, if there's an act of violence against innocence, and it's described as a hate crime, that, it's not crazy to imagine, and that could be used to tie people whose opinions

Starting point is 01:47:05 are unpopular with certain groups, those people need to be off YouTube. And all of a sudden, there's an emergency meeting with Sundar Pashai at Google, and it's like, I'm sorry, you cannot have purveyors of hate like Candace Owens and me or you. You can't have them. These people died

Starting point is 01:47:21 because these podcasters said hateful things you have to take them off but we're not saying hateful things are we obviously i'm totally opposed to hate i mean that's like my whole life is against it when you hate even in your heart even silently you make evil stronger that's a fact well the physics principle do the only reason i bring up this stuff about israel is because they're doing a genocide like if i saw if i was in nazi germany and i saw bad things happening and i didn't raise my hand or if nazi germany was trying to buy a bakery next door to me and I'd be like, hey, a mustache guy's buying the bakery. You know, it's like, who would I be, right?

Starting point is 01:47:58 Like, I don't understand what you want me to do. Like, you can't. Get out of my face and I'll stop thinking about you. We just can't train me to think one way and then show me this, a replica of it, and not expect me to have the same sentiments toward it. Like, that's what I understand. And it calls someone a bad guy because of that is crazy to me. This article says,

Starting point is 01:48:17 The government of Israel has hired a new conservative aligned firm Clock Tower XLC to create media for general Gen Z audiences in a contract worth 6 million. At least 80% of content Clock Tower produces will be tailored to Gen Z audiences across platforms. Clock Tower. Clock Tower will integrate its pro-Israel messaging

Starting point is 01:48:35 into Salem Media Network properties, a conservative Christian media group that boasts a vast radio network and produces high-profile shows such as Hugh Hewitt show, Larry Elder Show, and the right view with Laura Trump. Oh, oh, look at that.

Starting point is 01:48:53 Former Trump manager, Brad Parscale. Oh, that is so disgusting. That is so, Brad Parskell is doing that. I don't know him, is he a nice guy. I know him. He's a sad guy, very sad guy. In its contract, Clock Tower does not reveal much about what kinds of messaging will be promoted

Starting point is 01:49:11 on behalf of Israel. He took money for, wait, Brad Purskale took money from the Israeli government to do that? I don't know, former Trump campaign manager, Brad Parscale, the advisor who hired the controversial micro-targetting firm Cambridge Analytic during Trump's 2016 campaign is at the center of the Israeli government's New Deal. So Brad Parscale, I don't think, is an evil person. He's a weak man, for sure, I mean, demonstrably.

Starting point is 01:49:34 But for an American citizen to take money from a foreign government to secretly propagandize on behalf of that government, without saying it, is really, speaking of unpatriotic, I mean, that's, I hope that's not true. Well, it just, it's like at this point, it's, and I guess, I mean, Israel's certainly allowed to advertise wherever they want. Anybody can do this sort of thing. This isn't advertising.

Starting point is 01:50:00 This is, so advertising is not threatening because when it's just straightforward, you see a billboard for jeans, and it's like, buy my jeans, okay, it's your choice. This is basically subliminal messaging. This is an effort to subvert what you think, is true by making it dishonest. I'm paying you to lie at my behalf. That's what this is. And you don't disclose that you're taking money to do that. And everything about this is dishonest and wrong. And any American who would take money for that, again, speaking of anti-American, really? Who's the audience for this? It's American citizens who think they're like tuning in for conservative analysis

Starting point is 01:50:38 and actually they're getting the point of view of a foreign government. Like, how is that okay? Brad Parskell? I don't know how we... I just don't understand. I think, yeah. I think it's just... I don't know. It's a tough time

Starting point is 01:50:49 because you realize, oh, you thought all these things were in place that were keeping our country. You thought our country was taking care of us. But it's not the case. Would you take...

Starting point is 01:50:59 Let's take Israel out of it. Maybe you didn't. That's not true. That's a naive old thought of mine. It's like, yeah, you realize now that that's not the case, you know? But I think it's like,

Starting point is 01:51:08 where do we go from here? Well, let me just... I mean, I don't want to be judgey because I've done all kinds of bad things. You've been judgmental already. I have been. That's one of my weaknesses. Self-righteousness is the trap, and I fall into it for sure.

Starting point is 01:51:19 But let me just ask you, if, again, take Israel out of it because it's so emotional, any country. Well, let's go with Qatar. You said you like Qatar? I really like Qatar a lot. And I could defend Qatar. But would you take money for me? If Qatar's like, okay, we'll pay you $10 million or $6 million, which I think is what Brad Pascal got, supposedly.

Starting point is 01:51:43 We want you to just subtly shift your message to be pro-kotart. Don't tell anybody you're taking this money. But just feed our line to your audience without telling them that you're doing it. Would you accept that money? No, I wouldn't do it. Of course not. Of course not. Of course you would never do that.

Starting point is 01:51:58 No, I wouldn't do something. I wouldn't let people pay to have a person on this podcast. I wouldn't let somebody. I wouldn't do that. Of course. Do you feel like the people must be trying to, because the podcast is really big? Yeah. Sometimes they do, or somebody's like,

Starting point is 01:52:15 hey, we, Qatar asked if we would do one from their country, right, during a UFC fight, right? And I thought about that, and we're trying to figure that out. But I didn't feel like it was the best kind of setting, sort of. And now, would I go back over there sometime and spend some time? Sure, I would. Had a great time. Met some really neat guys.

Starting point is 01:52:32 Because a lot of the guys over there, they're in the throbes and stuff, Thob. They're in the Thobes. Which are pretty awesome. Dude, they're nice because you can have no underpants on. I don't think any of them do. I think they're like kilts. I like that.

Starting point is 01:52:43 Yeah, yeah. It's full freestyle country. Oh, God. Talking to somebody and just feeling your nuts bang against your legs while you're standing there? Like a person that's no idea. That's crazy. No, I totally agree.

Starting point is 01:52:53 Bro, that's like that guy like the hunchback of Notre Dame kind of, you know. Oh, did he go freestyle too? No, but just him, I just imagine like a handicapped guy inside of my legs ringing my nuts with like a rope or whatever, you know, like a bell, you know? Really? Really. See, you picture like a little gremlin under there. Yeah, just be fine.

Starting point is 01:53:12 Like Paul in the don't cord. Oh, dude, if your nuts had real bells inside of him, that shit would be sick, dude. Imagine the pain, the force of that ringer hitting the sides of the cast iron is a lot. I wouldn't want that anywhere near. That's true. I bet if your nuts weighed even two more ounces,

Starting point is 01:53:28 it would strain you so much. Dude, yes. I bet your nuts have the perfect weight to them. I think that's the whole theory of evolution, isn't it? We evolved to have, like, perfectly weighted nuts. And our ancestors who had, I don't know, disproportionately weighted nuts, they didn't reproduce.

Starting point is 01:53:44 So their genes died. Average human testicles each way about 15 to 25 grams. Wow. That's a... So how would you compare that? Just like about an 8 ball. That's a couple 8 ball.

Starting point is 01:53:56 A couple 8 balls. How many grams were in an 8 bowl? I think it's 8, right? 7.5, I think. Yeah. Yeah, it depends on where you, if you're getting it in Baltimore, it's probably 6 in there.

Starting point is 01:54:04 Yeah, I think that's right. Those are the baby laxative. Oh, 3.5! Oh, gosh, it's been too long. See, that's how rehab you are, dude. I love that. Did you hear that? Did you hear his genuine ignorance about narcotics?

Starting point is 01:54:17 Damn. You are better. I'm losing street credit, though, dude. I can't even fucking... You forgot how to free base at this point. Is it baking soda or cleaning fluid? I can't remember. I've been selling really good eight balls, man.

Starting point is 01:54:31 Oh, dude. What else was I going to ask you about? Yeah, but it's just so somebody's like, why do you care about it? Because I just think that it's like, yeah, you can't allow a country. I don't know. Well, I don't care.

Starting point is 01:54:43 I can't wait to stop. I'm so beyond sick of talking about it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry that I brought it. No, not with you, but I actually called the Israeli government more than once. And I was like, okay, I got it. Just stop. You're going to get me killed.

Starting point is 01:54:57 Just stop taking money for my country. I won't even criticize your genocide. Because there are lots of bad things going on in the world. That's true. That is true. They're not the only ones, okay? That is absolutely right when they say that. They're not the only country committing atrocities.

Starting point is 01:55:10 Oh, no, our own country's committed a lot of attractions. I totally agree. I think it's all coming out in the snow right now, but it's just, it's crazy. How about we just don't send any more money for those atrial? Like, I don't think that's too much to ask. If you would stop it, if you get out of the Oval Office, no more visits from your prime minister. This is insane. There are so many countries in the world that actually matter.

Starting point is 01:55:31 Your country doesn't matter. It's the size of Maryland. You have no natural resources at all. Like, you are irrelevant except to the extent we promised to defend you. So how about you just go do your own thing? we wish you well, and I will never think about you again. Why do you think that doesn't happen? Because they can't exist without us.

Starting point is 01:55:48 And so rather than just say that, we get these lectures like, oh, America can't exist without Israel. It's like, why are you even talking to me? Like, first of all, at some point, I'm offended. Stop lecturing me, actually. I'm from here. I'm not a perfect person, but I really care about this place because I have nowhere else to go and my ancestors are here and like, stop. But they won't stop, and they're constantly calling you.

Starting point is 01:56:10 You names because they're committing bad behavior. It's like, I spent 30 years not talking about this. You think I didn't notice? You think I didn't know what was up? I'm from Washington. I know what's up. And I decided, I don't want to talk about this because there are all kinds of other things I want to talk about. I don't want to fight with these people.

Starting point is 01:56:26 I'm not against Israel at all. I like visiting there. It's great. I don't want to fight. It was only when Trump gets elected in November, and by January, they're in the Oval Office, foreign officials from Israel and the Oval Office demanding that we pay for a regime change war against Iran

Starting point is 01:56:44 and I'm like come on now come on now we just had this election I campaign for Trump I was literally at Madison Square Garden and it was heartfelt too I didn't do it

Starting point is 01:56:53 no one paid me to do it I did it because I meant it and I love Trump personally I still love Trump personally but it was like that whole election was about we've had enough of this the Iraq War didn't work

Starting point is 01:57:01 it didn't make us happier it really hurt everybody including us especially us I don't want it again just back off They didn't wait. He got inaugurated on the 20th of January. I was there.

Starting point is 01:57:12 I was in the room. And like days later, they're there demanding that we back them in a regime and change war. And I knew this because I've been around. And I talked to all the people and like, I can't believe this is happening. And then in June, we came really close to getting in like a full-blown war with Iran. Yeah, I remember that. We spent billions in this totally pointless exercise. They're continuing to try and make us do this.

Starting point is 01:57:35 So from my perspective, it's like, I'm not obsessed with Israel. you just back off and I'll never mention you again I don't want to think about you at all because you're meaningless actually you're a tiny country that has no strategic value at all so just as long as you stop trying to control my government I'll leave you alone

Starting point is 01:57:51 well sometimes it starts to seem like it's a video game and they've always controlled everything and then like that's and like we're just now realizing it's like I've said this a couple times but it's almost like if Super Mario almost like looked at the screen one day and like looked at you playing with him instead of just like follow your demands

Starting point is 01:58:07 on the screen. Like if one day he just like fucking sat down his fireballs and like looked over at you and was like, hey, what the fuck are we doing here? You know, it's almost like that's where it's just like broke the fourth wall. Yes. Basically. No. I mean, like if he's just like, ah, I'm so tired of fighting this dragon, you know, it's like, look, let's just let Bowser live. Let's just chill out, you know? Like if I just wonder. If it became real. Yes. Yeah. Well, that's the that's exactly the process. That's where we are right now. And I think that's what you're saying. And it's like, yeah, if you can just let go of, like, this, that, because it's, sometimes it's anger that fuels that, you know, sometimes it's fear. Some of it's like, yeah, a lot of it's fear, I think, uncertainty, safety.

Starting point is 01:58:54 But if you can get the anger out of it and just let it go and be like, I'm just going to do my best that I can, but I'm going to be brave and speak up when I can, even if I'm wrong, you know, that's a thing. it's like, I wish more people were speaking up sometimes, even if they were wrong. I was kind of like, do you think that enough, like, pastors and preachers didn't speak up during the Gaza conflict? That almost blew my mind. Does that make sense to you? It's the most heartbreaking part. I mean, from my perspective, as an American Christian, Protestant American Christian, it's like, yeah, of course. I think what Israel's doing is disgusting.

Starting point is 01:59:30 I mean, it's indefensible. But my real, like, rage, like what I'm actually upset about, you know, if you were at dinner at my house. I never talk about the, I never rage about these Israelis or the Jews at my house. I just don't feel it. My rage,

Starting point is 01:59:43 my actual personal rage is directed toward my people. It's Protestant, Christian, evangelical pastors who have made deals with the Israeli government or have theology so deranged

Starting point is 01:59:57 that they think their Christian faith requires them to support the murder of children, including Christian children. And I know some of them. And they believe that. And that, to me, is very hard to forgive.

Starting point is 02:00:09 Like, I need to be a better person. I need to keep them in my prayers because I really feel hostility toward those people because they're the betrayers. Israel, in the end, is acting in this own interest or what it thinks is his own interest? Those people, what's their excuse? And they're going out there and giving sermons

Starting point is 02:00:25 about Candace Owens on Sunday? She's not in the New Testament. Were they really doing that? Big time. And that is not, whatever you think of Candace Owens. Like, I love Candice Owens, but maybe you hate Candace Owens. we can all agree that your opinion on Candace Owens has no bearing on the future of your soul, okay?

Starting point is 02:00:41 That's not Christianity. It's nothing with Candace Owens. So like if you are giving sermons against Candice Owens, then you are betraying your people, okay? And because you're misrepresenting your faith, Christianity, and those people, I clearly need to calm down about them because they're truly the villains in the story. That's my opinion. Of course. because you're always mad at the people you know best and like Israel, whatever, go do your crazy Israeli things. But American evangelical leaders defending Netanyahu?

Starting point is 02:01:14 And you know many Christians have been killed in this? The Israel has murdered? What do Christians have to do with it? You're telling me they're Islamists too now? Oh, it's totally true. And one of the reasons they hate me is because I keep pointing it out. I don't know that's true, Tucker.

Starting point is 02:01:28 Because they've blown up two churches in Gaza and killed people in the churches. What do the churches have to do with this? You're telling me that this is some existential battle between Islam and civilization. That's not true, by the way, but let's say it was true. Then why are you blowing up churches? Oh, it was an accident. Oh, really?

Starting point is 02:01:46 You have the technology to put bombs in people's pagers, but you accidentally blew up two churches. It was not an accident. They did it on purpose. They've killed a lot of Christians on purpose. And I'm probably the only person in American media to point that out because I'm a Christian. So I get to say that if I want. Shut up, Nazi! Okay.

Starting point is 02:02:02 Why aren't there more? Like... Where are the Christian leaders in this? this? Yeah. So now you've pissed me off. Like this... I'm sorry, man. I didn't know. Whenever we're talking about anti-Semitism or the Nazis or Israel, whatever, it's like, it's so fake to me

Starting point is 02:02:14 that I'm not, I don't get upset, this is real to me. Oh, the Church of St. Porphyrious. St. Perthius. Yeah, it's a famous church. The Greek Orthodox Church, one of the oldest in the world was hit by an Israeliirstrike on October 19, 2023. The strike collapsed in adjacent

Starting point is 02:02:30 church affiliated building where around 400 to 500 people displaced were sheltering, killing 18 people. the Holy Family Church as the only Catholic Church in Gaza Strip, this church has been a central shelter for God's Christian community in December 2023

Starting point is 02:02:41 two women were reportedly killed by a sniper while leaving the church and July 2025 the church was struck by an Israeli tank fire killing injuring 10 including the Paris priest

Starting point is 02:02:53 father Gabriel Romanelli well why isn't the Pope spoken up about it either I wonder has he spoken about it what did the Pope say about it I don't keep track I'm not Catholic

Starting point is 02:03:02 I was going to church here in town and I was just shocked that people weren't speaking about it, like, and that's the moments where you start to feel like, am I crazy? No, no, they, in the evangelical world, and not all, this is a very broad brush. I know a million, I had dinner next to one last night. It was just a wonderful person, and there are lots of tons of great evangelicals, but their leadership in general has not only refused to condemn it, they've defended it.

Starting point is 02:03:24 And at that point, it's like, this is the great deception you read about in the New Testament. If this isn't a great deception, Jesus' message is not to kill children, okay? And if you're telling me that it is, I don't need a theology degree to say you are a false prophet and you're going to have to pay for what, I mean, you are like taking your soul into your own hands when you say shit like that. That is so the opposite of the message. This is not a religion of conquest and violence. It's the opposite. Period. How can you read it and tell me otherwise? But why will? And Esther, it said, okay. But why are they, or why are they doing that, do they? But because this Israel is not the Israel from the Bible, right? This is the, this is a. I've tried. to have this conversation. Okay, sorry. And if it is, tell me how. Yeah, it doesn't feel like it. What are you even talking about? And I'm not a theologian. I'm a freaking Episcopalian. Like, I admit, I know nothing, but I do read the Bible every day. So I just don't see what you're talking about. So you tell me what you're talking about. This is the Israel we read about. This is the inheritance

Starting point is 02:04:21 of Abraham. No way. How? How? Is it genetically the same? Is it, are the people who live there now related to the people we read about in the Old Testament? If they are, we have DNA tests, tell me how that works. Oh, those are banned? Okay. So then are you telling me it's the same religion? How is it the same religion?

Starting point is 02:04:38 There's no temple. Like, what are you even talking about? By the way, maybe there's a good answer that I just don't know, I don't understand, but they literally never even try to answer the question. It's shut up Nazi, including from Christian ministers, calling me a Nazi because I asked,

Starting point is 02:04:51 oh, big time. And again, not to make it about me, but I just want to be honest about it, that upsets me. Whereas, you know, Netanyahu also called me a Nazi. It's like, you're just, dumb politician. He called you a Nazi directly?

Starting point is 02:05:04 Absolutely. That's crazy. Of course. Yeah, my tax dollars are paying his salary. Oh, he's, oh, he's, yeah, I can't even tell you. But yes, of course. But it's the Christian pastors. When you ask a simple question, you're telling me we have a duty to support, quote,

Starting point is 02:05:21 Israel because a verse in Genesis tells you that. Okay, fine. That's totally fine. What does that mean? What is the Israel you're talking about? Shut up, Nazi. It's like, you're a Christian pastured, and I'm a Christian, I'm a faithful, imperfect Christian. What pastors were saying that? Are there specific pastors?

Starting point is 02:05:39 Dr. Mike Evans, Heritage Center? No, no, listen, right now we have a movement within the MAGA movement that is anti-Israel. It's serious because it's led by Tucker Carlson, who's very close to vice president. It's coming out and saying worse things presently the Nazi party said. I'm saying worse things that the Nazi party said. I'm totally anti-Nazi. I'm totally anti-hate. And above all, I'm anti-blood guilt and collective punishment, which is what was bad about the Nazis.

Starting point is 02:06:05 Let's remember. And this guy is a Christian minister, or supposedly, or something. So it's this kind of thing that actually does get under my skin. That's my problem. I should just shrug it off, but I have a lot of trouble shrugging it off because it's such a distortion of my religious faith that I have trouble letting it go. I'm just being honest. Well, I think it's brave to be able to speak up. Sometimes if you're right or wrong, it's brave to try.

Starting point is 02:06:27 it's our obligation to try I was quiet for 30 years I shouldn't have been I shouldn't have I didn't want to fight but I shouldn't have been and people say well you get information wrong it's like but if information is given out that's wrong

Starting point is 02:06:39 then how do you expect someone to know accurate information dude I'm telling you it's really simple because this is the business I've always been in I ask questions you have stuff right here and it's nicotine and I wanted to say how good it is

Starting point is 02:06:49 it's an opportunity it's a form of advertisement like I let it hang out of my my wife's not here to lick her thumb which she does which is kind of hot but you say you've got stuff on your face, then I get to pause and say, it's not just stuff, Theo Vaughn. It's Nicotine.

Starting point is 02:07:01 It's Alp, the pouch for your mouth. Yeah, you got a little mogul right there. Yeah, but you don't see it back there. Yeah, sure. Like, if I was using Zen, you'd be like, wait, your lower back is covered with this weird white shit. Why is that? I don't know. I've definitely done some things, but I'll say this. Pope Leo the 14th has reiterated the

Starting point is 02:07:19 Vatican's insistence on a two-state resolution for the Israeli-Palisian conflict, saying it's the only solution that can guarantee justice for both sides. Leo made the comments as he flew from Turkey to Lebanon. May I ask, there's been a change in the spelling of Turkey. It went from Turkey to Tukia. Turkey. This is like the Kiev-Keev-Keeve change, and no one notified me?

Starting point is 02:07:42 They probably bought letters. Somebody, there might have been a letter deal or something. Let me see. Turkey. Turkey. Maybe they're trying. Who knows, man. Turkey.

Starting point is 02:07:50 I was just in Turkey, and they were calling it Turkey. And do you feel like it's hard for a lot of Jewish? people to speak up about this because they're afraid of like alienating other Jewish friends. That's what I find with some of my Jewish friends. Like, they'll talk with me about it and stuff like that. But, um, and my Jewish friends are fine if I'm, if I have different views on Israel, right? Like, it doesn't mean I have different views about them. Uh, but if I don't like what a government's doing, including our own government, then that's okay, right? Um, one of my, uh, Jewish friends, former Jewish employee actually called me this morning. Talked for like an hour and a half about other

Starting point is 02:08:25 stuff, not about Israel, but in the course of the conversation, he told me that he had said something to one of his co-workers about Netanyahu. He didn't like Netanyahu, whatever. That's literally, he's Jewish. I don't like Netanyahu. And that coworker went to his boss and called him an anti-Semite. What? That's crazy. I think there's that. I also think there's something else going on, which is sad, which is I think a lot of what I'm seeing happen to Jewish people, including friends of mine, people I know, is. is there's so much yelling about the Nazis and the Holocaust. The people are getting really freaked out.

Starting point is 02:09:02 And I've had people I have known for, you know, decades in love, call me like, are you a Nazi? Dude, it's me. No, I'm totally anti-Nazi. What are you even talking about? Well, like, everyone says you're a Nazi. This happened to me at dinner recently. I won't even tell you was a well-known person.

Starting point is 02:09:17 You were Nazi, you would have a tank or something. But also, like, you would not be in loafers. Well, I might be wearing my Turkish grounding shoes. You're Turkish-ish? And by the way, they leave a little green spot on the bottom of your foot, which I kind of like that. That means you're winning. That means you're grounded to the earth.

Starting point is 02:09:33 But no, I think it's making people really paranoid and afraid. And I think that that's on purpose and terrified people are really easy to control. That's what happened to us after 9-11. The Muslims are coming. 19 Arabs with box cutters. I know. I'm going to say that.

Starting point is 02:09:48 I said to one of my kids last night at dinner, I was like, I'm making a pledge to you as your father that I'm going to use the phrase, Arabs with box cutters every single day and I'm gonna laugh every time I say it because it amuses the shit out of me. Hell you know. Like, you're gonna be a conversation

Starting point is 02:10:02 and someone's be like, oh, no, you're like, Arabs with box cutters. So fucking funny. Anyway, all of us believe the Arabs and box cutters thing for all those years and it made us so freaked out

Starting point is 02:10:13 and afraid and threatened that we went along with all the stuff that was really bad for us and the world. And I think that a similar op actually is underway in the United States. with Jewish people, and it's like, you're about to get killed. It's like, no.

Starting point is 02:10:29 I mean, I think there are anti-Semites in America, for sure, and there are crazy people, for sure. There are always threats, but in general, I've never met anyone who, like, hates all Jews or what? That's all fake, but it's scaring the shit out of people. Like, it's real. Again, I have friends, good friends who are like, I can't believe you're a Nazi now.

Starting point is 02:10:47 You know, that's crazy, dude. I know it's sad, actually. It's awful. Well, I think anytime you find somebody, and I've thought this in my own world, it's like, if you start thinking like, oh, this race or this ethnicity or this group should be the one, then that is a trap. That is a dangerous, that is an evil thought or feeling. Right there. That is the true. It's an evil thought or feeling because it's just, it's not possible.

Starting point is 02:11:11 It's not real. So you have to recognize that that kind of thought is just a trap, that it's very, that's just a scary trap. I completely agree. That is the trap they're luring you into. When they call you names, they are trying to make you into the hater they claim you are. And once you become that, you're destroyed. Yeah. And obsessing over, like, other races being bad, like, that's how you become a fucking crazy person.

Starting point is 02:11:34 Well, that's the kind of stuff that the news is done over years. So when you start to think about all the end fighting that the news is created over the years and let us down all these rabbit holes, it's like, fuck, what the fuck were we doing? The whole point was to make you hate each other. Yeah. Who's dividing conquer 100%. Arab is with box cutters. Can I just say?

Starting point is 02:11:50 Black's first drones, dude Arabs of box cutters Okay, all right Arabs and box cutters, okay Um, is there Is there uh I know when you think of a It's hilarious when you say it

Starting point is 02:12:02 Of course I spent like 20 years being like The threat is Theo the threat is Arabs With box cutters They could be anywhere It's like Shut up

Starting point is 02:12:11 I don't know It's pretty masterful Like how things have gone on But it's just It's pretty wild it you will punch through I can tell that you're like in a stage that I was literally last week and then you get through it and you're like it's okay it's totally okay I was an idiot for believing that stuff in the first place it's my fault actually if I fell for like read his Jeffrey Epstein's

Starting point is 02:12:38 emails and you will realize like if I fell for the idea that he was like a diabolical mastermind and not just some thug from Staten Island or Coney Island that was on me then you break through and you're like, of course it's fake. It was never real. You really think that with the world at stake, three zip codes in Pennsylvania are choosing the president. Okay, yeah.

Starting point is 02:12:58 All right now. So, no, of course it's fake. Shame on me for believing it. But now, like, all the things that are real, God, people you love, the truth. It's like there's so much to be happy about, actually. You don't have, they want you to be totally freaked out. They are the ones who wrote this horror movie.

Starting point is 02:13:16 Right. Like, bang, what was that noise? Holy shit. Is there something under the bed? Yeah. And you look under the bed and you realize, yeah, it's actually, there are tons of monsters under the bed.

Starting point is 02:13:24 But they're kind of like lame monsters. They're like Jeffrey Epstein monsters. They're like not that scary, really. I'm not afraid of you, bitch. And then the second you say that, you're like, oh, I'm not afraid of anything, actually. Like, look under the bed. Yes, there are monsters.

Starting point is 02:13:36 No, they probably can't kill you unless you bitch out and let them. Yeah. Do you, what do you feel like about is going on with Candace right now? Do you feel like the issues with the French are realistic? When she went down that wiener thing, I was like, Who cares if that lady has a wiener or whatever? Oh, with Ms. Macron or whatever?

Starting point is 02:13:57 Yeah, the presidentist. Who cares if somebody has a dang wiener or whatever, some lady has a wiener. It's like- You'd be shocking if you didn't know it and you found it by accident? I do think that. Oh, yeah, if you were looking for something in your purse

Starting point is 02:14:08 and then a damn weiner was in there or something? No, but I mean, if you were like, I don't know, in a cab or something and reached over and you found what you didn't expect, you know, like in Bangkok or something. If I'm her, I show that thing off every now and I'll, pop that bitch out of party. Yeah, I would do that ring game

Starting point is 02:14:23 where you kind of like, I'd have that ring game and just hang it from my chin and then have people try to hook it on there, you know? You need your roommate with a Viagra supply. Dude, would you know my name? Dude, they'd make me play it like three or four times, dude. If I was in bed with my wife

Starting point is 02:14:38 and you showed up in the dark with an acoustic guitar playing Eric Clapton, that would skip, first of all, I would, and I'm not violent, but I'd fucking blow you away because I have a sidearm in my bedside arm. I would. All of a sudden, you're in bed with your girl, and I was someone singing.

Starting point is 02:14:54 Eric clapped in on acoustic guitar. It's like a fucking nightmare. You're like the incubus. I'd be like, stop right there. And you'd be like, If I saw you in you. Well, the crazy thing, it's the saddest song. I don't even know what the song was about.

Starting point is 02:15:11 I just learned it. And then in hindsight, when I realize I'm in there just playing for a bunch of geeked up seniors who were hopped up. on wiener uppers, and I was over there fucking playing a sad song, like, just like, isn't it about his son dying? Yeah, it's a beautiful.

Starting point is 02:15:28 But yes, it is. And it's very sad. It's heartbreaking. I don't know what I was doing. It's not a sexy song, though. And I wonder how that mixes with Viagra. I don't see them. Like, of all the Viagra songs, like Paradise by the Dashboard Lights or something, you know.

Starting point is 02:15:41 Yeah. Well, I can only, only knew three songs. You shook me all night long. Didn't have it. But tears in heaven? I mean, that's a boner killer. No, dude. I thought so...

Starting point is 02:15:50 That's like a dirge. They'd been drinking orange juice and vodkas, dude. I, the best thing I could do was that, and then I had that, uh, well, Billy Ray was a preacher son. And that was a little... Dusty Springfield, ladies and stuff. That's kind of a hot song, in a way.

Starting point is 02:16:04 That was a little too. Do you know that she was a British lesbian? Dusty Springfield? Yes. When you hear that, she's like, she's a black woman. Wait, I thought it was a... No, no, she was a little white girl lesbian. That was her only hit, I think, ever.

Starting point is 02:16:16 That's Dusty Springfield. And she died young. She died in... Who remade the song? At 60. No, that's the original. It's hers. Oh, it is.

Starting point is 02:16:24 I think people have covered it, but the one that you know... I thought, uh... What's her name, reed it? I'm sure many have covered it. But, like, the one that you hear still is hers. It's hers. Wow. Yeah, I guess Aretha did.

Starting point is 02:16:41 Oh, Jha. Jha. Jostone. It's a testament to the durability of her version that that's still the one. Amen. Amen. Written the year I was born, I think.

Starting point is 02:16:54 Yeah, I just wonder, like, is there... You got me spun up with the preacher stuff. Did I really? You did. Well, who said stuff? Like, what about Judah Smith? He's a pastor that I know. Did he speak up about it?

Starting point is 02:17:05 Do you know him? Is he here? Is he good guy? Oh, yeah, Judah's awesome. He's a great pastor. I just wonder if some of, like, the bigger, like, pastors spoke up about it or not. I don't know. And then that's when you start to think,

Starting point is 02:17:19 Am I wrong for, you know, what am I feeling? What's going on? There's no public record of Judah Smith, the pastor and author speaking public about the conflict in Gaza. However, there's a different Judith Smith, a medical student who spoke about the impact of mystical strike on Soroka Medical Center in Israel, which may be a good source of confusion.

Starting point is 02:17:34 No public statements on the Gaza conflict from the pastor and lead at church home. But yeah, I mean, people have their different views, you know, and those are like, I think it's just stuff I'm curious about it, and I don't know, like, enough about the Bible sometimes. I think we have to say that, Jesus is against killing innocence. I just think we have to say that because what's, I mean, if we can't say that,

Starting point is 02:17:53 then what can we say? This is not a religion of violence. It's just not. Do, um, what do you feel like about Candace's, the assassination attempt? Do you find there was a reality in that? I think that, um, I don't, I don't understand it. I love, I just want to say again, I love Candace. She's coming tonight.

Starting point is 02:18:11 And, uh, her kids are the best. I've known her a long time, yeah. I go over there to see her kids. Sometimes I know that's kind of weird or whatever. It's not weird. But it's not weird. I don't have any children or wife or anything. So I go over there and, yeah, her kids are like as full of life as could be.

Starting point is 02:18:27 And they're all mixed kids and that's awesome. And then like... Pretty kids. Oh, dude, she has beautiful kids. And her and Georgia is funny, man. I totally agree. And so I would say of the assassination, you know, first of all, I knew him while he was right at my house right before he was killed. So I feel emotional about it still.

Starting point is 02:18:47 Who was? Charlie Kirk? Yeah. Oh, really? No, yeah. I don't know that. And I love his wife and know his wife well. And so I feel emotional about it.

Starting point is 02:18:55 You know, I just haven't wanted everything to do with it. But I will say a couple of things. I don't understand the official story at all. Of his assassination you mean? I don't. I don't understand it. And I want to make sure that there is a, like a truly rigorous and honest federal investigation of it.

Starting point is 02:19:15 And I'm definitely concerned about that. A. be. I think that one of the, I don't know many of the details, but I know that recently Candace said that Egyptian registered aircraft were following Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow around for a number of years in different places in the world. That's one of the weirdest things I've ever heard, and I just want to say that that is factually true. That's true. So that's like the one data point that I happen to know is true. What is that? mean? I have literally no idea. I can't even guess. But that's very, very strange.

Starting point is 02:19:52 And what does Egyptian? It could mean aircrafts from Egypt? Who knows? I think that they were registered in Egypt. Got it. And so, but that fact is true. So I, that enough, and it also her claim that, you know, there were kind of a disproportionately large number of foreign registered cell phones at the event. That's also true. So what does that add up to? I don't know, but it means that, you know, the FBI has a moral and legal obligation to look in every direction and to be open-minded as you would in any investigation, in journalism, and science, it's all the same process. I don't know the answer, and I'm going to sift through everything as open-mindedly as I can, as honestly as I can, to get to what the truth is. That's, again, that's science, that's law enforcement, that's journalism. It's all the same. That's justice. And I just want to make sure that is happening and I just don't have a ton of confidence in the FBI or the men who run it. And I'm not saying that out of ignorance at all. That's it scary part too. I'm not alleging anything. I'm just saying I think it's really important that we have that. Yeah. And also I have no

Starting point is 02:21:02 I mean, I never wanted to think of this. Dweller shit like leaders of the FBI are on Twitter. Like, what? Oh, the one to do you see the video that Tim Dillon did about the um no because it makes me too But no, I agree. It's like, and also, here's the weird thing. I never wanted to think about any of this shit. I never wanted to think that our FBI didn't care about us or that our CIA was compromised or that we couldn't, like, you can't even call the police department without thinking that it goes directly to some other foreign lobby, right? Like, so like, and like, I, like, so it's weird that if people point fingers, you're like, I never, I just wanted to be, I just wanted to try my best and fucking be alive. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 02:21:42 Like, you're not like a weird. just because your brain is trying to figure things out. That's a brain's job is to try to figure things out. It's to try to make organization of things, right? So it's just so crazy that people who are trying to figure things out are getting ostracized, you know? Whether they're right or wrong or something, at least they're trying to have some semblance of, like, curiosity, which is really just kind of reframe. If the official story describing the murder of your friend doesn't make sense and you find yourself yelling at a podcast, for coming up with other theories,

Starting point is 02:22:18 you're barking in the wrong direction. Your anger should be focused on the people whose job it is legally, constitutionally, to get to the answer. And there's very little pressure on them, I notice. Yeah. A great deal of pressure on Candace Owens. And I've, by the way, I've said this to a bunch of people,

Starting point is 02:22:35 you know, off the record, you know, people I'm just talking to. It's like, you know, what Candace is saying is clearly causing a lot of turmoil. Is it true or not? I can't assess it. I'm not the FBI. I'm a freaking podcaster, but I do know how the system works,

Starting point is 02:22:48 and it's really simple. The FBI has this case, and of course the state of Utah. It's their job to not only find out what happened, present it to the public in a way that restores some confidence that you can, like, have justice in this country, that we have functioning law enforcement.

Starting point is 02:23:05 I don't have confidence in that because there's a lot of evidence that we don't have that. So restore confidence by being honest and telling a story that makes sense. so why if they don't do that and they haven't done that they have not done that how can you be mad at candace owens or anyone else for filling a vacuum that they left yeah well candace is back okay no the people with the authority are the ones responsible and they're the ones who should be held responsible when there's a failure not some podcaster not me not you not candis the people whose job it is talk about it's always that it's always that it's always a always like, you know, you're, you say, well, I don't know why Israel's committing genocide and guys are, shut up the Ovan. It's like, shouldn't you be mad at Israel for committing the genocide? No. Yeah, or shouldn't, why am I the one even asking about it?

Starting point is 02:23:54 Exactly. Dude, I'm just a curious fuck tard, dude. You know what I'm saying? I'm trying my best, but fuck, dude. I couldn't agree more. You know, I'm a guy who lived with a 66-year-old man to fucking chirp boner pills off of them, dude. With respect, like a lot of these criminal investigations, your story doesn't make sense. I, dude, his name was Wally. He played tennis. He was a 4.0 at tennis. That makes him sound kind of wholesome and normal.

Starting point is 02:24:18 He was my buddy's dad. You live with him she can get free boner pills. Then he invites you into his bedroom in the dark with his girl to play Eric Clapton songs on an acoustic guitar. And you don't think there's anything kind of freaky about that at all. I think that's the most normal thing we've talked about all episode. You know, you're probably right. To be really honest with you. To put it in context, yes.

Starting point is 02:24:40 I want to get you out of your soon because we want to go to your party tonight. What is one of the things about the Charlie Kirk assassination that rubs you the wrongest, do you feel like? About the investigation into it? Yeah, I mean, it's the whole thing with the kid and the images and then they see him at like a dairy queen.

Starting point is 02:24:57 Some of the, it's just like it's also confusing you can't decide what to believe. But what do you, but also the fact that it doesn't feel like there's any presentation from the FBI or something about reality. So it feels like it's just, it's internet, sleuth filling in all the pieces. What do you think? I've called directly to say that, just as an American, as a friend of Charlie's who is interested in seeing justice and is interested

Starting point is 02:25:21 in preserving our system beyond this year. Like, if you want the system to continue, you have to satisfy people that the system is real. And if they're convinced that it's not real, at some point they'll overthrow it. That's just going to happen. Okay. Oh, but Mom Donnie. Yeah, how do you think we got Mondani? Or, and you think Mom Donnie's radical? The dude went to Bowden. It could be a lot more radical than that. And we're going to get that. There'll be a sailing team there. Do they? Yeah. Boden? I thought it was Baudoin, but it's not. No, it's Boden. Known really for sodomy, but also sailing. I didn't know that,

Starting point is 02:25:51 huh? Enthusiastic. I actually think they've got one of the top-rated varsity sodomy teams in the country. Hard to starboard. Zin users. But anyway, here's what I am concerned about. Two, a lot of things. One, he acted alone. Tell me how that worked. I don't, you know, none of us really act alone. It's hard to go anywhere by yourself, too. Thank you. Exactly.

Starting point is 02:26:15 You acted totally alone. Okay, you're going to have to prove that to me. It's totally possible. Anything is possible. Weird things have happened. We'll continue to. But if you're, that's not my default assumption, and it shouldn't be yours. And their default assumption is we acted alone.

Starting point is 02:26:26 Really? Why do you think that? What about life suggests that people typically act alone? What was the last time you acted alone in anything? I don't go, you know, right? So, A. B, we know that people had four knowledge of this because they posted about it on X and said

Starting point is 02:26:41 Charlie Kirk is going to be killed on this date and he was. Is that true? Yes, it's true. Were they just guessing? Was it a guessing thing? Or every day they posted that? Maybe. Maybe. Have those people been interviewed? Have they been hauled into FBI HQ and had a long conversation with how they knew that? Like let's get really specific. Why did you post

Starting point is 02:26:57 that? Who have you talked to? Like if I were doing this investigation because I spent my whole life doing non-criminal investigations called journalism, like what do we know is true? How do we find out? Call everybody. Be open-minded. It's like a very It's the same process. If I was doing this investigation,

Starting point is 02:27:12 they would be at the very top of the list. We know, because we've got public postings on Twitter that people know, just like a 9-11, we know people bet against American Airlines and the banks that were in the World Trade Centers. They shorted those stocks. Those people clearly had foreknowledge of 9-11. Who were those people?

Starting point is 02:27:29 We still don't know. So I would start there. So you're saying that just the fact that there could possibly be some fore-knowledge to be investigated? Well, there was four-knowledge because they were, I saw the tweets. Got it.

Starting point is 02:27:38 And so there were, I saw at least two that said, you know, everything's going to change when Charlie Kirk gets to the college in Utah. Okay. So those people, I'm not saying they're a part of a conspiracy, but they have, there's evidence that they had foreknowledge. Okay. So that's where you begin. And then I could, I could go on. Like, tell me how this guy who seemed normal became a radical trans furry murderer. It's not enough to tell me, oh, trans.

Starting point is 02:28:07 I'm not pro trans, by the way. But was that the guy or his boyfriend? Well, exactly. Exactly right. Tell me how this guy became so radicalized that he murdered a stranger. I'm not saying it didn't happen. I'm saying I want an explanation

Starting point is 02:28:22 for how it happened. Why wouldn't I? I agree. Oh, we can't talk about that because it'll prejudice the jury pool. Really, you've told the world that you have both a confession from him in his text to his boyfriend and the murder weapon

Starting point is 02:28:35 with his fingerprints on it. I think you've got a pretty solid case. So why is it so difficult to just explain, dude, 9-11, the rubble was still smoldering whenever. I was on television on 9-11, so I remember this very well. People are instantly appeared. This is Islamic radicalism. Here's where it comes from.

Starting point is 02:28:52 We're going to invite this guy from Columbia who's just written a book about it. And like the whole explanation was ready to go. Yeah. This, there's no even attempt, which is both good and bad. But there's no attempt to explain how this happened. Like, that's the key question we all want to know. yes I know Charlie Kirk just got was murdered by gunshot got it saw it why and they never want to tell you yeah was the kid unnecessary shut up oh you're a Scientologist and they immediately

Starting point is 02:29:16 start name calling you oh you Candace Owens now no yeah but if you're just a curious person who wants to know why your friend got killed well that's a friend is a human person that's what I am that's what I'm saying it's just it's a human person well that's what Candace is so maybe so I have said from the beginning, if you don't like what Candice Owens is saying, why don't you call her and offer a more plausible explanation for what happened? Oh, she's

Starting point is 02:29:43 bad! She's bad! Okay. I mean, I like her a lot. I don't think she's bad, but I love her actually. But let's just stipulate she's bad, but why wouldn't you do that? I don't agree with some of the stuff that the rabbit hole she goes down, but I don't even know. But I like the fact

Starting point is 02:29:59 that she likes to dig in the garden, you know? So it's like, I like the fact that she's curious, and that obviously if people weren't resonating with what she's doing, then nobody would be paying attention. But you know how many places I go? People will come up to me and be like, and I don't think they want to say something to me. They'll be like, I love Candace Ellen. Dude, did I say what happened to me in Oslo this summer?

Starting point is 02:30:20 I was with my family, salmon fishing. White Oslo. Some people call it White Oslo as well. It's not very white anymore. It isn't? Nope. Oh, slow. But anyway, I'm in Oslo in Norway.

Starting point is 02:30:31 and just for one night we were fishing and then we go to Oslo to fly out and I'm walking down the street with one of my daughters Tucker Carlson I was like shit I'm gonna get yelled at in Oslo Sky runs up to me Tucker Carlson yes you know Kansas Owens

Starting point is 02:30:45 I was like yeah he goes tell her I love her and I texted Candace I was like that is fame when people come up to you just because of the reflected glory of someone you know so why do people like Candace so much she's an amazing broadcaster

Starting point is 02:30:58 yes because they sense in her she might be wrong. Is she lying to me? Not on purpose. They sense the purity of her intent. That's the truth. And I can say as someone

Starting point is 02:31:08 who's dealt with government officials my whole life, I'm not vouching for everything Candace claims. I don't even know a lot of what she claims because I'm working on their stuff and it makes me sad also. But the point is,

Starting point is 02:31:19 do I trust Candace more than I trust your average DOJ official? Are you joking? It's not even close, dude. It's not even close. It's not even close. We can all be wrong,

Starting point is 02:31:30 but who do I trust to like try to tell the truth more? Candice or your average DOJ official? Opposite ends of the spectrum. I'll just say that. Yeah. Do you feel that? It's a scary time. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:31:41 It's a scary time. It's like I remember when you were interviewing Putin. Yeah. I remember thinking we may get some real information here, which is kind of a crazy. I know. And I'll just admit that. I'll be like, dude, we might really get some information here. Instead of all this BS, like Russia was involved in making all these ads and all this thing,

Starting point is 02:32:04 we might really get some information here. Yeah, well, you were right. It's $2.50. Yeah, you came at noon, right? Yeah. Okay, we got to get you out of here. Damn. That sucks.

Starting point is 02:32:13 There goes your nap, though. I don't nap. You don't? No, I'm, dude, I'm flying the Middle East tomorrow. That's like 12 hours apiece for me. I'm just going to eat hummus. Are you flying on a commercial? I'm flying commercial.

Starting point is 02:32:25 They have the... It's the best. They have the best airline. I'm sorry. I know that makes me in his line. I know I'm responsible for Danny Pearl's murder for saying that, but Qatar Airways is like the best airline. It just is. I've flown an all airline. Dude, some of the best people over there.

Starting point is 02:32:40 I had a great time over there. Totally agree. And what I like about their country is they keep shit in line. Like, there's not a lot of fucking BS over there. No, and you can say what you want. It's definitely more restrained in some ways. Yeah. We could say it as well.

Starting point is 02:32:54 Do you remember you couldn't even say it the other day? Well, I could say it because I'm American. But, like, no, you're not allowed to spray paint public buildings there. Sorry, you can't shit on the sidewalk. You're not allowed to have sex in an ATM vestibule or smoke meth in front of other people's houses. But you can say what you believe. So there's a constriction of freedom in some ways, for sure. Well, especially like the other day.

Starting point is 02:33:15 So my gay friend calls me up. He's like, dude, he wanted me to say f***git to his friends on Zoom, right? And I'm like, dude. What's your life like, dude? Bro, I'm like, dude, I'm not saying I just woke up. Wait, wait. Can we just consider? You just said my gay friend called me the other day.

Starting point is 02:33:28 and he wants me to say fackett to his friends on Zoom. Yeah, he thought it would be cool. It's an amazing sentence. Yeah, but it's like people are trying to say like, well, you can't see this and that, but it's like, what do you want me to do in that instance? It's like, my gay buddy calls me up and he's like, dude, a couple of my boys are over here,

Starting point is 02:33:43 Trent's over here, say facket for us. And I'm like, dude, you know, and I just woken up, right? I'm like, I'm not saying it like if I just woke up, dude, that's crazy. You got to ease into f*** it. It can't, you can't just like go cold into f*** it. I've had this exact problem.

Starting point is 02:33:56 Dude, I'm not having my eyes open for 40 seconds. My wife will say that. She'll wake me up and she's like, say, fuck it. I'll be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I need a cup of coffee first. Definitely, dude. At least let me put on some sneakers, you know? But that was, it's like, and then, and also the fact that Pierce Morgan wouldn't say it. It's a British word. You guys started the word.

Starting point is 02:34:13 I know. It's not like I asked him to say, cunt. I almost did, because I think that's allowed. You can say that. Well, that's fair. The K word is they say where I live. They're both his words, dude. And I understand, like, not yelling it at somebody that's gay or like, you know, say you

Starting point is 02:34:25 open your door and like two guys are like blowing each other in your front yard or something. I don't you... No, that's when you don't say it. That's when you don't say it. Because you don't call the fat girl fat. Well, yeah. You joke about the skinny girl being fat because it's a joke. Yeah, you don't yell fat. You're like, hey, fellas hit the road, right? You know? Right. It's like... Exactly.

Starting point is 02:34:42 Dude, like one time I walked behind a 7-Eleven, there's a couple gay dudes back there. One of them was at least gay. And they were, one of them was blowing one of them, right? So at least... So who is gay? I don't know. Who is gay? Yeah. No, sorry, just kidding. Who is gay? But yeah, I didn't ask right at that point. No, but I was like, guys, come on, you know. And one of them got into a car that had those, it was like a Honda Civic that had those, it was around the holidays, that had those antler ears out the side. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:35:10 And I was like, that's. Was that the guy blowing or getting blown? I don't know which one it was, but that was the. It matters, it matters. But that was the, I think. That was the gay. 100%. The antler ears?

Starting point is 02:35:20 Yeah. But that was the gay guy. Yeah. So, anyway. I don't even know. That's called deductive reasoning, Theo. That's all this, dude. You are the Sherlock Holmes of gay 7-Eleven.

Starting point is 02:35:30 But my buddy, the other day, it's like, now I'm the bad guy to a gay friend because I won't say that over, to his Zoom at work. And I'm like, dude, I'm not saying. That's bad. You got a buddy he calls. All he needs you to do is say fatt on Zoom.

Starting point is 02:35:45 That's it. He's not asking for, it's not alone. He's not asking to bail him out of jail. You just say fack it on Zoom. And you're like, no, the one thing you want to deny you. Dude, and I've said this before, I think that a lot of people, like, gay people, they should auction off the word. Somebody can say it one time. At a certain time, everybody can buy a Zoom pass to watch the person say it. Like you, like, say like, I'm trying to think of who, but say, who's a good one?

Starting point is 02:36:09 Bert Reynolds is going to say it tonight, right? He's going to say it tonight at midnight. Oh. And everybody can buy a pass to watch him say it, right? I love that. But it doesn't, I'm not insecure about this because I've worked around and loved gays my whole life. Yeah, none of my gay friends are going to be upset about this. But you know what? They are the offenders. It's like, they're like rappers with the N-word.

Starting point is 02:36:29 It's insane. You work with gay men. He's a f***. I'll just be like, oh, I can't do this. Yeah, I can't even, yeah, the people that say, but dude, I think it's the same with the N-word. They should auction it off where people could, like, say if Angelaina Jolie is saying the N-word tonight at 10-15.

Starting point is 02:36:41 You know what people are going to pay to watch, and then the money goes towards black causes and black culture. Pay-per-view profanity. Yeah. I love that. You know, like why waste it? Right. No, you're totally right.

Starting point is 02:36:55 You know how many people. She gets 30 minutes. She can say it anywhere in there. She can do a little bit. She can read a book and drop it. Angelina Jolie is saying the N-word. I might actually pay the $25.99 to see that. Dude, who wouldn't?

Starting point is 02:37:06 No, actually. I know. That's what I'm saying. But then you're making... That is so naughty. That's like... I agree. But you're making money for your cause.

Starting point is 02:37:15 It's like a hate crimes only fans. Ooh, kind of. Yeah. But I think... Can you do that? I've never been an only fan. obviously, but could you get an only fan to be like, say the end word?

Starting point is 02:37:27 I mean, I think you could do it, dude. If you could get George Washington's great grandson to say it, what about that? Tonight we got George Washington's great grandson. Bring him up. We got George Washington's great grandson tonight at probably, I bet he's pretty old. So at 7.15 p.m.

Starting point is 02:37:42 Pretty old. He's like about 150 years old. Wait, sorry. Oh, George Washington didn't have any children? No, we didn't. It's only the custices. It's through his wife's family. No. He didn't. But if his great, great grandson is saying, I'm going to tap in, there's no way. If it's $6.99 to hear him say it at $7.15?

Starting point is 02:37:58 If it was Thomas Jefferson's black, great, great, great, great grandson. Right, exactly. I wouldn't as much. There's no charge there. But still, if it's a little Asian guy or whatever, who's been in a coma, they know he's waking up at 3. At 4.30, he's going to say it.

Starting point is 02:38:11 And mispronounces it. Yeah. I would pay for that. Ah, yeah. Crazy. Might have taken that part out. Uh, anyway, Tucker, how do we stay, like, I'm sure there's moments where you've gotten too far down the well. Like, if you look at some of this stuff too much, it gets really, it can get

Starting point is 02:38:27 pretty negative. I'm out of the well. I'm totally out of the well. I've like, I'm above the clouds and it's always sunny there. It's like I feel so much better because I just concluded that everything you suspect is true. It's always been true. It was true in Rome. It was true in every period in history and it's true now and the only thing this changes we lied to ourselves about it but now once you realize yeah it's all true i don't need any more evidence i got it i figured it out and the good things in life are still amazing and you can make a difference by telling the truth and when you do you become stronger in some supernatural way and there's just so much beauty and joy in life i'm not going to get bogged down and all the hatred i'm not going to take orders from mark

Starting point is 02:39:10 levin and become a nazi just because he calls me one no sorry not playing your games Oh for sure It's like people say stuff on the internet It's like whatever dude But pivot against it Be like yeah I

Starting point is 02:39:25 Yeah people will make fun For your enemies Or do certain things It's like I don't care about it that much I don't care really what you call me that much I mean I already know things that I am You know I'm not great That's for sure

Starting point is 02:39:36 But they never call you the things you really are He lived He lived with a dude Who gave him free Viagra I had to steal it I had to sneak in there and eat some of it at night Tucker Carlson man thanks so much for your time dude do you think we're gonna get in trouble

Starting point is 02:39:52 for any of this I'm already I was already voted Nazi of the week by BB or something I don't I don't care it's a lie and if you spend your life You don't seem like a Nazi to me at all man No not a Nazi You know and I'm not gonna become one

Starting point is 02:40:08 Yeah dude I would notice if you started Naziing a little bit Yeah you know it's a little too rigid for me just temperamentally also. I don't like take clothing at all. I can't stand to be ordered. You'd look good in green though. Um, look before you leave, Tucker, I just want to play this for you. Do you mind? Do you know? I'm getting wood listening to that. It's just, you know, I'm thinking like, maybe I do invite Theo over. Just middle of the night, in bed with my wife. It's totally dark. All of a sudden, they hear the notes. It's because I couldn't make rent

Starting point is 02:40:39 sometimes. I think he was thinking of any way I could help out. I get it. You're young. You needed the money. I've heard this before. Hey, dude. Those erections, those are caused by Alps. You know that, don't you? Yes, they are. The pouch for your mouth. Tucker Carlson, thanks so much, man. And thanks for inviting me to your get-together.

Starting point is 02:40:57 I'm excited about it. And I'll see you later on. Anything else you wanted to talk about? Nope. All right. Appreciate you. You're the best. Thank you, man. Yep. Stay safe. Oh, but when I reach that ground I'll share this piece of mind I found I can feel it in my bones But it's gonna tell you

This Past Weekend - #628 - Tucker Carlson

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